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I bet the comics made her weak in her knees
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 09:31 PM
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He doxed himself? Hahah what?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 09:11 PM
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Example - If I'm going on a date and I want to have sex with her I'll pick a place near my house, a place where we're not forced to be there for a long period of time (cinema, restaurant), a place where we can actually be close to each other and a place not to loud to have a conversation (bar, etc). This is strategizing, am I being evil or manipulative? I think what she means by strategizing would be stuff like trying negs, frame control, any sort of lying to appear high value etc. I doubt any s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 10:59 PM
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When I actually spent time in that community however, what they taught was stuff like: be fun stay present to the moment flirt and tease don’t invest more than she invests in you don’t be so serious, don’t do interview mode That's kind of like saying "Feminism is just about equality, how can you be against that?" You look at any PUA method with some scrutiny and you realize a lot of it is completely ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 10:49 PM
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How do you go from "toxic masculinity refers to gender norms that are harmful to men" to "society is fine"? Did you even read what I wrote? I literally said that like most definitions in feminist theory, it's hard to argue against it. However, the way in which it's used in everyday language is different. I gave specific examples of this from an article. It's about freeing men from the shackles of patriarchy. Ok, let's turn this around and discuss prevalent mental issues with women. Women are far…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 10:53 PM
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As for the dominance question, I don’t really know, but I think today’s younger men are likely more assertive in bed demanding what they want, based upon what I’ve heard. These questions are visible to other users. So I'm guessing young men today have read that women are attracted to dominance on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 08:22 PM
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Alternative interpretation: Would you consider sleeping with someone on the first date? 81% of men said yes in 2005, while 64% responded yes in 2015. 48% of women said yes in 2005, while 25% said yes in 2015. This is particularly interesting because it suggests the dating market has become more sexually conservative. It may also suggest that Dating apps such as tinder, happn etc have captured more of the "hookup" market, and the ones still using stuff like OKC are more oriented towards something…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 08:20 PM
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I bet they talk about hypergamy and how to branch swing. And frame control. They talk about what guys they know who have great frame control.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 08:13 PM
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Sure, like most feminist concepts, it has a definition that is hard to argue against. However, the main way I see people use it is as a way to say "Male specific problems are a result of men being toxic. They should get their act together!" Basically, it's attributing problems to individual men instead of any sort of social structure. Ideally, men should just be more like women. This article is a good example: https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a18207600/mass-shootings-male-entitleme…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 07:57 PM
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I guess that's true, but they're not discouraged from leeching off a man either. Women truly have a choice here. If they don't want to work, they don't have to. A career is purely optional. For men, it is a necessity. Yep, they can choose to find a man to leech off. But a lot of women also choose not to. Which means - you can safely avoid women who want to leech off you. Yes, but the corresponding risk increases as well. For instance, child support and alimony, as mentioned earlier. In addition,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 02:04 PM
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25% is a really high number, but let's see how I measure up, having done a lot of online dating from apps: *First, he can't be fat, & has to be at least average to slightly above in looks, & should be at least 5'10 without shoes: Rating your own looks is heresey. But based on the women I've been with I'd guess I'm above average. I'm also 180cm tall - so 5'11 in pre-industrial ridiculous system numbers. High resolution pics I don't know? Normal resolution? Pics of him should be taken by someone e…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 01:38 PM
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Basically, yes. What's the common denominator in every interaction you've had with a woman? No, it's on society for suggesting that's to be the norm. In the 50s maybe. Right now women are encouraged to make their own money and be independent. You know this. Hypergamy. A man remains in the same financial class after getting in an LTR. A female doctor does not marry a male nurse, but male doctors might marry female nurses. It happens but yes, statistically it is rare that women marry down socioeco…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 01:30 PM
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IIRC a lot of studies indicate that female judges/juries are more likely to distrust other females. In fact, I remember reading somewhere that most of the accusations of "Asking for it" or "Dressing provocatively" in rape/harassment cases usually came from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 09:22 AM
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In the next 5-10 years there will be a new social contract less serious than marriage but more serious than a LTR. This will be done to accommodate the younger generation that is more commitment averse. The new contract is designed to allow walking away like a LTR (so no alimony) but offers extra legal benefits (covered by partner’s health insurance) and extra social standing. Perhaps it is renewed periodically instead of being in effect indefinitely. This is pretty common in Norway, it's called…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 09:18 AM
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The exception always proves the rule. The point isn't that women are not absolutely incapable of insightful interaction. The point is that a ridiculously large proportion of them are not And what do you base this on? Personal experience? Yes, some women have good jobs. However, women date men who are financially better off than they are. It is never in the financial interest of a man to get into a long term relationship with a woman, even a wealthy one. The man never leeches off the resources of…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 09:02 AM
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The ability to have an insightful discussion about a non-superficial topic. So absolutely no women bring this to the table? Not even Angela Merkel, Elizabeth Warren, SciBabe, Christina Hoff Sommers or hell - Cassie Jay? Not even Lindsay Shepherd has nothing interesting to say? Better jobs (some women have good jobs, but this is never a requirement). Wait wait wait. You literally said That's all women, though. They bring nothing to the table except looks. But now you're saying some women have wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 05:56 PM
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I mean to be fair I'm like this naturally and certain women seem oddly attracted to it for some reason. You're being yourself. If some guy who is naturally warm and empathic tries to act like this, he'll just come off as off putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 12:03 PM
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The point is true, though. Men don't need women in this world (except for reproduction). But women need men. They need men for everything. You are nothing without us. I'll ask again: What could they bring to the table, which they don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 09:38 AM
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Do you feel like this is necessary in order to get a date though, or are you mostly doing it for other women? Because that's kind of two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 09:42 PM
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Sorry, you literally don't know me. The only thing you know about me is that I'm fat. Have I told you how old I am? Perhaps I'm 40 who used to game women in my twenties. I'm making some educated guesses. Sure, I might be wrong.. But you remember that scene from 40 year old virgin? Bags of sand? This is just a non-argument. TRP, for that matter, has been tried and tested by thousands of guys. Why do you think it's so popular in the first place? It's not really popular at all compared to how popul…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 06:28 PM
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Ok, I'll humor this. What would you define as something they could have brought to the table, which they don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 06:05 PM
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Ok, this is pretty confusing. You're not having any success, and you're framing this as a "general discussion". Yet you say things like: It is important to do these things within reason. It takes practice. Which suggests that you have some sort of experience with it succeeding. Which you don't. This is the biggest problem with PUA/TRP//whatever. Mental masturbation. Tons of guys sitting around, creating some sort of imaginary dreamland with imaginary rules - none of it rooted in any sort of esta…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 06:04 PM
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If she brings nothing to the table except for her looks, then you should probably reject her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 05:54 PM
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So don't you think that maybe, just maybe... Being fat is what causes you not to succeed with women? And not all that other ridiculous stuff? There's one thing TRP and the Incel guys are right about, and it's the fact that looks are extremely important to women. Getting into shape, getting a cool haircut, fixing up your skin, teeth etc - it makes an extreme difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 05:54 PM
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Nerds have a strong sense of themselves. They might like math. They might like physics. They're passionate about it, pursue graduate school, publish research papers. They've forged an identity for themselves. They have a true sense of self. But they don't get laid: "eww, creepy Asian nerd, get away from me". This isn't actually an argument. You just made up a hypothetical scenario that supports your ideas. Conversely, take your typical dope-peddling high school drop out. Does he have a strong se…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 05:51 PM
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It is important to do these things within reason. It takes practice. Oh really? So this is working out for you? Did you start lying, treating women like disobedient children, being cold, not showing emotion, slapping asses? I bet you're getting laid like a rockstar now huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 05:40 PM
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It's because that is a good personality. A "good" personality inherently means a moral, upstanding, righteous one. Not necessarily teetotalling, but I mean abstinence from alcohol can't hurt. A "Good personality" in terms of women means you have a strong sense of self. You know who you are, and you don't pretend to be anyone else. One of the hardest pills to swallow is that abrogating your moral principles is a route to success in the dating world. That female sexual strategy is rooted in primal…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 05:34 PM
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All of this may be contrasted with what women are expected to bring. 5 years ago I would have said that the bare minimum for a woman is that she's not a landwhale, but today I cannot even say that. Gynocentrism dictates that women aren't expected to bring anything meaningful to the table, but are entitled to men from whom they can extract financial, emotional and temporal resources. This is the world we live in, so just make the best of it. Expected by who? The guys who will still have her even …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 05:23 PM
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Pft, this is an average male
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 12:31 PM
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"non-Chads beta bux hoping to get their dicks wet and women prostitute themselves for money with men they don't like while dreaming of Chad" This is the description I was referring to. Most men are not drained out of their money by women who dream of other men. Unlike what TRP seems to think, most women realize that they have a certain attractiveness level, and that a long term partner has to belong to that level. Most people have an active dating life and end up with a partner who is more or le…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 12:07 PM
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Most men by the description I quoted would be categorized as chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 11:58 AM
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I'm not disputing that. But there's a continuum here, it's not just black and white. Just like with economics - most people are average. Having a sexual life is normal. Most people date and have relationships. Very attractive people of course can attract a lot more prospective partners, and very unattractive people can't. But you're talking as if people are either very attractive or very unattractive. Most people are somewhere inbetween.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 11:54 AM
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How about the belief that you can categorize all men into either chads or beta bux. You think that affects your perception or your feedback loops? Ever heard of confirmation bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 11:48 AM
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Only a sith deals in absolutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 11:31 AM
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It's extremely similar to feminism. Key similarity being saltiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 11:30 AM
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Go to the website of your university There should be some kind of page called "Social" or "For students" From there, you'll find the official student union The student union will have a list of clubs and recommended activities for new students, people who are from out of town etc. Ta-dah.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 11:27 AM
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Is this the definition of chad you're thinking of? "non-Chads beta bux hoping to get their dicks wet and women prostitute themselves for money with men they don't like while dreaming of Chad" Because if that's chad, then yes I suppose I'm a chad. I suppose most men are chads. And being a chad by that definition isn't very impressive. If that's a chad, what do you call the guys who get laid constantly?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 11:24 AM
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How should I enter a social circle where I can meet up with women, for short or longer term relationships? I live in a part of Europe that has no fraternities. I also live in a dormitory. I take dance classes and work out, but neither are activities which are conductive to this sort of thing. This is where you should ask yourself: "I don't have a social circle that has women in it. Am I really in a position to make claims about dating?" You're talking as if the world is hopeless, yet there are t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 11:21 AM
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This is an average man over here Kind of hard to see with his sunglasses, but I'm going to go ahead and say that I think that guy would constitute above average by a solid margin. If you want to see an average guy, borrow a girl's phone and ask to swipe for her on tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 11:15 AM
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it's very easy for most men to get casual sex. Hm, I guess that depends on your standards. If you're ok with an average looking girl then yeah I agree - you can get casual sex from stuff like tinder/happn etc really easy. IRL though I wouldn't say it's "Very easy" to get casual sex. Approaching women in bars etc of course does work if you're persistent and confident (always some woman looking to have sex that night) but it's really exhausting, and you'll get rejected a lot. I personally don't th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 11:12 AM
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That's right, take a look at the world, Chads get all the female desire and free access to sex, non-Chads beta bux hoping to get their dicks wet and women prostitute themselves for money with men they don't like while dreaming of Chad By that dichotomy, I'm a chad. And all my male friends are chads. And like, 99% of the guys I've ever met. What does that make the super good looking guys then? Megachads? Shiiiiiieeeeeeet!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 11:06 AM
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I think it’s most of the latter, and I think the driver of the behavior is insecurity. They seek out such a man because they’re afraid that a man who is as attractive as they’d like would leave them for someone else. If they are attracted to the guy, that attraction would eventually disappear if he was to conform to her desires. In some cases however, I think a few women are very self aware and can succeed with this strategy in a way that benefits both parties. In those cases the guy is usually …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/18 02:13 PM
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I think the situation described in the OP applies more to women who are forced to marry below their looks threshold, which happens but isn’t the same thing as marrying a guy who is simply less attractive than some of her previous partners. I think this happens a lot. I know many women who go into relationships and then break up with the guy after years claiming that they never actually felt anything for him - he was just ideal "on paper" and they assumed that the feelings would show up eventuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/18 10:33 AM
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Username checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 06:36 PM
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Probably. I like your username. Same spirit as mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 06:32 PM
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What you see is how good she is at making it look good. Which of course can be hot when you actually have sex as well. But it's not like someone choking on a dick by ramming it into the back of her throat actually feels very good.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 05:49 PM
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Physical Attraction has a huge impact on sex, obviously. But anyone with a shred of experience from different partners know that it's by far not the most important aspect as long as there's some attraction there. Good sex is largely about having a well-matching anatomy and sexual chemistry. If your genitals have the right match, you'll hit her best spots every time, all the time. Sex will always be good. A woman I used to date many years ago was a perfect sexual match for me in every way. Looks …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 05:41 PM
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If you're not going to believe what I say, go talk to a wall. There's no point discussing anything if you're unable to entertain something that goes against your worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 06:29 PM
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I always found negs and cocky banter to be viscerally disgusting behaviours but incorporated them into my arsenal to both help my love life and to nullify bullies (which it has on both counts). Negging will turn away more women than it attracts, and the ones you attract with it have serious self-esteem issues. You don't need to neg people. I don't see why you find cocky banter disgusting though? It's basically just messing around.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 06:28 PM
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("brushed her V") gross. Are you 5 years old? You basically coerced her She'd usually respond by commanding me to take off me clothes and get on my back. And she would regularly tell me that she admired how I could turn her on. If you think that sounds like coercion then I guess we have very different interpretations of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 06:24 PM
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I agree that's how you should react. I don't really think this is the message TRP preaches though, and I've had many discussions with TRPers which support this notion. Hell, even your own post that you're referring to supports this notion - you're listing being open with your emotions and weaknesses as an undesirable outcome, and you previously compared this with driving without a seatbelt. If you're free associating, wouldn't you recommend just expressing yourself honestly?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 01:49 PM
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Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 01:46 PM
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In any case, I'm completely sure of myself when it comes to this area of life. It's perfectly reasonable to assume I'm lying or delusional, so be it. In any case, it looks like we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not calling you a liar by any means. And while we probably won't agree, I'll leave you with a small challenge: Next time you're out, try actively NOT reacting to shit tests in any particular way. See if your results suffer. You'll be surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 01:31 PM
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I don’t understand this statement - how is escalating by force not rape or assault? It is. Who said it wasn't? What do you think my comment was referring to? Look at the comment to which I originally replied.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 01:29 PM
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Except MOST of you do this and not the next. Sorry that's your experience. But this is what most guys - even the TRP ones - probably are referring to when they say a no is negotiable. Lots of women want guys who don't take no for an answer - as long as they do this in a way that's within the personal boundaries of the woman. Instead of immediately accusing someone of being a "Rape apologist", maybe it would be smarter to say "What do you mean by negotiable?".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 01:12 PM
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I wish I could take you out and show you what works actually works and why. RSD is a organisation based on PUA that has youtube channels that you can watch and see for yourself. Regardless of that fact that it's PUA and runs counter to a lot of what we're talking about, it could red pill you on what women actually respond to. I did this many years ago - I was a huge PUA fan. I bought all of this theory until I slowly started realizing how it actually wasn't helping me at all. I'm not being criti…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 01:08 PM
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You're ignoring different parts of TRP though. They'll explain something like: Here are the techniques, here's why they work, and here's how to naturally embody these behavioural traits. They don't just skip to the end, they have to explain the theory to you. They explain what behavioural traits work (techniques) and why they work to get you to realise how what women actually like. And then they go further and explain everything I said earlier in this comment. Every PUA method also does this. My…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 12:44 PM
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Yes, I understand that this is what you believe. But you haven't adressed the fact that trp actually promotes techniques. Agree and amplify? Amused Mastery? You also previously mentioned that you should not be open and show weakness. You really believe this is "who you were meant to be"? Every definition of a shit test I can find, especially the illimitable men one, very explicitly defines shit tests as an attempt to figure out who you really are. And most of the techniques described to counter …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 12:13 PM
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You're not really going to address any specifics huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 11:58 AM
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It isn't pretending though. You're ignoring the parts where I talk about congruence. A pickup artist type would behave like this: If you hide your weaknesses, you are pretending that they're not there. Even if you pretend so well that it comes naturally. TRP teaches something like - You're the product of men who acted right, so you can act right as well. You just weren't reared correctly, so here's what you should do on an individual level to start acting right naturally. It's already in you, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 11:44 AM
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I read "The game" myself at around 20 and went through a similar change. Then I went through another change. What type of nice behavior are you not displaying, which you are afraid that your partner would frown upon?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 11:29 AM
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No, the outcome is known. But if it were a risk, it would be like driving without a seat belt. That's not the sort of risk I was referring to when I wrote that thread, which is self-evident. This is the core of what I'm trying to get at. Nice guy: "If I'm not nice to her and do everything she says she won't like me!" Reformed nice guy: "I'm I'm not always alpha she won't like me! She can't know I have any weaknesses!" Same shit, different wrapping. Every human being is flawed - you're only lying…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 11:28 AM
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I see what you're getting at. The risk taking has to be beneficial in some way. Risks that benefit the tribe etc. etc. Ok. Still curious though - would you say being open/vulnerable is a risk? This is why TRP criticises PUA. They're not being truly congruent. TRP teaches the theory because we've been lied to for so long, and then they share ideas on to how to actually become the man you were meant to be had you been reared correctly. Are TRPers being congruent if they establish boundaries based …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 11:14 AM
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This is why we have #metoo. It is not negotiable. If a guy were to do that to me today, he would be missing his balls in no time. Rape apologist. It absolutely is many times. However, there are acceptable and unacceptable ways of negotiating if someone says no. For instance, let's say you're right in the middle of almost having sex, then you suddenly change your mind and tell him (whether meant as a game of cat and mouse or not) that you won't be having sex with him. An unacceptable form of nego…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 10:43 AM
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It's not a risk if you're a regular guy. Your gf would ask you to do this, and so maybe you do it. You're doing what she says she wants you to do. No risk in the mind of a regular guy. So let's get this clear - do you think you're actually risking anything in a relationship by displaying weakness? The key is to not be a guy who has to analyze these things and consciously behave this way, but to activate parts of your brain that cause you to act these behavioural traits out naturally. On one hand…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 10:20 AM
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I think it's kind of a paradox how you both claim risk taking is the strongest attraction trigger, yet you also claim that you shouldn't risk opening up with your emotions and displaying weakness. Most of the high value traits you list contradict the entire idea of shit tests. A man who constantly analyses whether or not a woman is "shit testing" him doesn't actually have any boundaries, he's just following a template of behavior that he thinks is attractive - this also means he doesn't genuinel…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 09:49 AM
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I'm attracted to her She is physically active in some way Higher education Shared values/life goals Chemistry. We should be able to talk about anything and everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 03:49 PM
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85% of men? Dumbest thing I've heard this week. Maybe you have such terribly low standards, most men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 01:15 PM
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There’s plenty of research on many, many aspects of western education which favors women and disfavors men. I’ll see if I can find some sort of summary, but you’ll find plenty of studies by googling on your own as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 02:33 PM
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There are arguments to be made that women are more privileged in western society, but you didn't really touch upon them. The primary one would be how the school system is set up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 12:48 PM
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Try something more relevant: "Parasitic femininity". Or "Pathological Femininity"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 12:32 AM
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It's a stupid term. It's no less stupid just because a bunch of people has decided that it has a definition that doesn't imply masculinity is inherently toxic. Tons of people thinks "Alternative facts" is a good term as well and have a shared definition of it, that doesn't make it any less stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 12:10 AM
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I love to cook as well. Is this seen as a feminine hobby in the US? That's really weird. I mean yeah knitting and sewing I would consider feminine I guess, but cooking?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 12:07 AM
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Some thoughts: Women are expected to wear makeup, do our hair, etc., but a woman who thinks too much about this stuff is vain/shallow. Both genders have beauty standards that society rewards and punishes. Now if you say women are judged more on looks I wholeheartedly agree - but women obviously have way more room to express themselves through clothes and makeup. Any man who enhanced his looks by using similar tools as the average woman would be labeled extremely vain. This is in fact an area whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 12:04 AM
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No such thing as too muscular!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 09:16 PM
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In my experience you have to lower your standards somewhat on Tinder vs in real life. But then you have the advantage of already knowing she finds you attractive and is single when you meet her. Bars/clubs have a higher risk, but the reward can be higher. Tinder is safe and easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/18 04:18 PM
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Of course not. MGTOW is basically the sour grapes club.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/18 04:11 PM
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A more appropriate title for the tips would be "How to cover up your insecurities by using rationalization and pretending they don't exist".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/18 04:05 PM
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It reads more like mental masturbation than actual advice. Most of the points have little to no substance: You're more willing to walk away than her. Women need to feel that you do not need them. (Outcome Independence. This one is key. DO NOT be more invested than her.) Are you more willing to walk away? Probably not. If you were, you wouldn't be reading a 15 point list about "controlling frame". You can't simply tell yourself that you're outcome independent and then expect that to magically hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/18 03:53 PM
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Nothing in any social science “is explained” in that manner of speaking. Actual evo psych also consists of testable hypotheses - not just post hoc explanations. But maybe you’re critical of armchair ego psych
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 12:39 PM
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Hmm yes i agree with that. Your first sentence made me think you rejected evolution in some way
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 12:01 AM
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How does evolution transcend biology?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 10:32 PM
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That may be a part of it - another part I think is that they fear rejection so much that they avoid anything that can have even a microscopic risk of ruining their chances
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 02:05 PM
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I wouldn’t say liking someone and wanting to make them happy means they don’t respect themselves. As I’ve mentioned on here I’ve run into many “nice girls” and “nice girl behaviour” since my mid twenties. One used to bring me in home cooked food into work. I didn’t think “doesn’t respect herself” I thought thanks and how cute. She clearly likes me. A lovely compliment. The examples I gave are examples of someone who might not respect themselves. For instance - every time a girl needs something, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 01:07 PM
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You don't believe in evolution?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 12:48 PM
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there have been a few girls where i suspect the MHC stuff was a major factor in our attraction for each other because of how it felt. really intense and very physical relationships. if we were ever in close proximity, we couldn't keep our hands off each other and it wasn't just "she's hot i want to fuck her" it was like my body was acting on its on and i had to actively resist ripping our clothes off and fucking. it's really weird. I know exactly what you mean. Like, it triggers almost immediate…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 12:47 PM
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But the interactions between psychology, environment, and evolution are too complex to reliably test this stuff. How so? I mean yeah sure it's complicated to get a complete picture, but specific hypotheses can absolutely be formulated and tested. For instance, how you look similar to your partner can be explained both by the mere exposure effect and the matching hypothesis. There are experiments that suggest complementary genetics form some basis of attraction, but that is mostly based on smell …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 12:39 PM
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But many have taken “covert contracts” as a cast iron rod to beat nice or unattractive men with. As I’ve said before nice guys (I don’t know any of the fake ones myself) want relationships. They don’t want what the players want. They want their “one”. And to have lots of sex with her obviously. Right, let me just be clear here: I don't believe "nice guys" are cunning manipulators who want sex and believe themselves to be entitled to this through their nice behavior. This is (mostly) an excuse pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 12:10 PM
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I guess this depends on what you mean by authentic. If someone never says what he’s actually thinking, but never has and isn’t consciously aware of the frustration and passive aggression that’s building up within him as a result - would you say his behavior is authentic? I I wouldn’t say so. It’s not like authenticity is something that just comes from doing what feels natural to you - authenticity comes from acting in line with what you actually deeply want to do in every situation when you’re h…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 11:25 AM
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Yeah the advice may be a bit vague in some situations, but I think that’s the source of the misunderstanding. Although the niceness on some level is genuine, I’m convinced that it’s genuine because they genuinely believe that “this is what women want”, not because this is how they actually feel in any given situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 08:10 AM
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“Being yourself” is advice that a certain type of guys misunderstand. They befriend girls, treat them like “princesses”, agree with them on everything, do favors for them and hope that this will make the girl fall for them. Then when it doesn’t work, and people tell them to stop pretending to be someone else around women and actually be themselves... they continue, and one day they find another fake persona to adopt: game. Never does it occur to them that they can actually express themselves hon…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 07:31 PM
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You think he would have lost his job if he was attacking google for having too many white men employed though ?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 03:20 PM
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And yeah if you actually read his memo (which I doubt many here actually have) it's very uncontroversial unless you're looking for reasons to get offended. The main reason people seemed to get offended was by the use of the term "Neuroticism". Which is a (maybe outdated, but still commonly used) factor of the five factor model of personality. So he's saying women are "neurotic", how dare he? Except he isn't. Women are describing themselves as more neurotic. They describe themselves as being more…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:41 AM
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If you actually believe in TRP principles, you will never achieve any sort of actual confidence. Frame control, dread game, the concept of hypergamy and branch jumping, the idea of shit testing - those all create a deadly spiral of anxiety and coping mechanisms.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:10 AM
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the Google Engineer who decided to bring politics into the workplace The funny thing about this is that his suggestions are totally uncontroversial here in Scandinavia. Work-life balance, adjusting roles for more focus on people vs things, focus on collaboration rather than between-employee competition - all of this works in order to get more women involved in your company. Google is literally upholding a workplace culture that is most likely not very welcoming to women in the name of diversity.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:03 AM
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The most vocal feminists/SJWs clearly have serious issues if they actually mean what they say. However, I think most of them simply suffer from a feeling of inadequacy and lack of acceptance, and mostly want to be part of something meaningful where they can be seen as competent and gain social status by doing things that don't really require skill or effort. It's the same tendancy you see in any destructive social group.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 10:46 AM
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Yup. Especially if you try to argue that some behavior shouldn't be called "Creepy". It's like arguing that rotten eggs shouldn't smell bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 10:29 AM
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Undesireable? That's a rough word to use. I think somewhere a lot of TRPers have issues with feeling undesirable and needing a "Fix" for that. Socially stunted? Yes, probably. Mostly based on the apparent need for predictable models of social interaction where you can simply use tricks like "Amused mastery" and "Frame control" in order to "Generate attraction". This implies confusion over how social life functions. Rejects? I think most people on TRP have felt rejected in one way or another and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 10:26 AM
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I usually count Scandinavia among the west. I’m Norwegian - how do you think Scandinavian women differ from (I’m assuming) North American ones ?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 06:13 PM
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Absolutely. And you might find out the actual number before you find out she possesses those traits. That's why this argument can apply. For this to be true you'd have to simply not talk to her at all. Even if you're not well read in personality psychology at all, you can still very quickly assess if a woman is trusting or distrusting, direct or vague, compassionate or cold (Agreeableness) has a plan for her life or doesn't care, is very committed to her obligations or has a loose attachment to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 11:11 PM
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You see that building? IT WAS BUILT BY MEN! Maybe that should teach you not to friend zone me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 10:15 PM
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I agree and it's interesting that a lot of what works is a placebo effect. As they say, fake it 'til you make it where confidence is concerned. Actually I think confidence is the only think you can't actually fake. I think if they really believe in some of the methods, that can give them actual confidence. And when they stumble across a woman who is actually attracted to them, she'll overlook the clumsy methods since you're both attractive and confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 09:36 PM
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I'm not missing your point. I just disagree that you will necessarily experience those traits first. She might be hiding them, she might have potential to develop them in the future etc. She might be lying about her number of partners as well, so that argument can apply to anything. You can't be sure if she's playing and/or trying to act that way, which can change after marriage, for example. Or when a hotter guy appears in the picture. She'd have to be an oscar winning actor in order to achieve…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 09:34 PM
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I live alone in my own place so I do all of that. But if I lived with someone else we'd probably hire someone to do the cleaning. Cooking is fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 10:40 PM
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And no, those traits don't predict anything. They correlate with high count. Big difference. Right - wrong use of word here. I stand corrected. Thus, if a person has a high count - sure it can be correlated to their adventurousness, but at the same time it's correlated to traits I listed. Soo. If you write them all as pros and cons on paper, you will easily see that cons outweigh pros.¨ You're missing the point. You will experience these traits long before you ever find of how many guys a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 10:37 PM
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This is meaningless semantics when the decision is actuarial. NAWALT is a meaningless argument with modern women. Only an idiot would ignore the high cost of divorce and enter into a relationship that is slanted legally against him from day 1, and hands his wife the trigger. There is being brave, and then there is being foolhardy. Once you have woken up, you look at this as a business arrangement. No sensible man is going to enter such a contract no matter what language you throw at him. You're …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 09:07 AM
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..... how is that in any way a socratic question ?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 05:43 PM
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Lifting works. The confidence that comes from believing you are putting on attractive behavior is probably attractive. Not putting women on a pedestal is a good idea. Working on yourself in general and understanding how status and wealth influences attractiveness is a good idea. Worrying about "shit tests", attempting to practice amused mastery and frame control probably is counterproductive and makes you seem insecure and socially awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 05:38 PM
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You sound like a BP when you say that. The premise you ascribe to me is not mine to start with. You said: Once you confide in a woman, your life only increases in complexity until the inevitable betrayal. And you've followed that up by using allegories of things that are certain, such as snow. If you're saying it's not inevitable, we're back at my original statement: Your argument of not showing vulnerability is based on fear of possible betrayal. The right actuarial decision to make is to assum…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 05:34 PM
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I think you are projecting. Ok? This is something you do in business. You take constraints into account and design your workflow and targets accordingly. Not doing that would be professional malpractice. That's a circular argument. You're basing this on the assumption that I accept your premise that every single women you ever meet will betray you and that any sign of vulnerability will destroy the relationship you have with her. I obviously don't accept this premise, making any argument you bas…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 01:38 PM
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If red pill men were offered a Marriage 1.0 woman tomorrow, in exchange for being a Marriage 1.0 man, they would turn it down. Some of them probably would. A lot of them would probably just drop everything they're carrying and immediately say yes. Grapes are only sour when you can't reach them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 11:00 AM
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Now your research doesn't show there's a good reason to believe that that behavior doesn't imply negative traits from my graphs. The research I'm showing suggests that a multitude of factors predict short-term mating, including extraversion. Which again implies that - as I mentioned earlier - a high N count can be the result of many things, one of them being traits that are part of extraversion. In fact, if we read it carefully, we'll see this: Extraversion positively correlated with interest in…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 11:12 PM
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I learnt that even if you are a bit soft, people will try to fuck with you or just walk all over you. I'm not advocating letting people walk all over you. You can stand up straight and look people in the eyes while expressing vulnerability. Their ability to try and fuck with you isn't changed by you either hiding or exposing who you truly are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 09:31 PM
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So you hate vulnerability because you fear the consequences of showing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 09:05 PM
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The key word is "think". You think so. It's just your opinion of how things should be. Whereas the correlation of that number for women with things that aren't very desirable for a relationship is real and I showed you some graphs and you can find more. ... What does that have to do with whether or not guys care about women's N count when their own N count rises? It's your experience, and sure it can be true for you and some other men. I don't think it's anything other than that, unless you know…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 09:04 PM
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No one says it's a big deal. Other dicks are disgusting, that's all. And I'm saying after you've had some experience yourself, I think for most people the thought that any woman you've been with has been with other men doesn't really bother you anymore. Even if you find dicks disgusting. As long as it's lower than your own number, it doesn't really seem like a lot. For me personally, a lot of the resentment I used to feel for women who had had many partners when I was younger was due to the fact…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 06:59 PM
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Which again, is just your opinion, there is no other logic behind it. The logic is that once you start having some sexual experience, you stop thinking of sex as a big deal. This applies to pretty much everything else in life - people get used to things they do often. You can investigate this on your own simply by asking men who have some experience with multiple partners. This is tiresome. Don't you have foods or drinks that disgust you, even though you consciously know that there's no threat? …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 06:27 PM
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This is exactly how a person who is motivated by fear argues : “I can’t hold that presentation, I know everyone will just laugh at me and think I’m stupid so there’s no point”. It just sounds to me like you’re rationalizing your fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 06:17 PM
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I mostly restrict myself to 9s and 10s. When you master frame control at the level I do, this becomes reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 04:29 PM
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Honestly, I wish more of you WOULD feel self conscious enough about your bodies to be anorexic, but most of you are so arrogant you'd probably just sit behind your computer being a sweaty neckbeard and double fisting bags of Cheetos and declaring on TRP that "All women want are assholes" and "They're all probably sluts anyways". Or crying on the black pill about being an incel. Joke's on you. I do this and still get laid like a rockstar. That's right - I'm that alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 02:38 PM
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No, those are not certainties. If you are (as I assume you are) an adult man, you know this at some level. What you have described in your posts sound to me like fear. Your reasoning for not being open with women is fear that they will betray whatever trust you have given them, or fear that they will not accept you once you reveal who you actually are on the inside.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 01:50 AM
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Sounds like a philosophy that leads to a life dominated by fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 12:34 AM
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Unfailing experience of several men and myself. Once you confide in a woman, your life only increases in complexity until the inevitable betrayal. Betrayal? Could you be a bit more specific here?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 12:11 AM
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If you use the word manipulation against me than you are not using it as an objective description, it displays intent, morality, threat, etc. If the word is not committed to that use than there is zero point because it does not define itself that way. Which means any manipulative person could wiggle out of it and actually use it on their behalf I don't really get what you're saying here - could you come up an example of how this would look?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 09:18 PM
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you want the world to be capable of use as a weapon I think you're overestimating my ambitions of evil masterminding here. Joking aside, I don't really get your argument. Words mean what the majority of people understand them to mean. If manipulation was a useless word, I don't think people would use it, and if it was as hard to categorize as you claim, no one would be able to agree on what constituted manipulative behavior enough for the word to make it's way into our language.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 09:03 PM
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Hm yes. I don't think I'd categorize that as manipulation though. I think manipulation has to involve some sort of violation of agency. Does that make any sense to you ?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 08:52 PM
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Not sure I understand what you mean by deception of detail - care to elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 08:39 PM
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I think the most important aspect of the definition is the part about deception. When you manipulate someone, you're not honest with your intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 08:36 PM
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Yeah I don't think incongruent behavior automatically is immoral - again, I think it depends on the degree of incongruence and how much trust/emotions the other person invests in you. I suppose the lie would be where a guy says, "wow you're so smart and funny". A common (and probably effective) deception these days is probably "I care about intersectional feminism and social justice!". There's a reason male feminists have such a bad rep.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 08:31 PM
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Where did you get that definition from? Wikipedia's definition is more in line with mine: Psychological manipulation is a type of social influence that aims to change the behavior or perception of others through abusive, deceptive, or underhanded tactics.[1] By advancing the interests of the manipulator, often at another's expense, such methods could be considered exploitative, abusive, devious, and deceptive. Social influence is not necessarily negative. For example, doctors can try to persuade…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 08:15 PM
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Not exactly - It's more about how much in line your behavior is with your actual thoughts and desires. For instance, if you befriend someone who you actually hate because you want something from them, most people would find this manipulative and view it as being "wrong". On the other hand, if you're very open about pursuing a woman you want to date, people wouldn't find your behavior manipulative even if you do things to influence her choice. On the other hand, if you pretend to be interested in…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 08:11 PM
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Every single social interaction we have is manipulative. The only thing that separates "non manipulative" and "manipulative" is an awareness of how your actions and the subtle use of words will effect those observing. The only way to eliminate this manipulation, that people keep claiming is somehow bad, would be to eliminate all social interaction. Sorry not gonna happen. I disagree. I think Manipulation is what you do when you're not expressing yourself genuinely, but instead you are intentiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 07:59 PM
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Men are falling behind in lots of critical metrics (suicide rates, graduation etc), yet western society seems to care mostly for problems affecting women as a group. At some fundamental level, the source of the bitterness is an impression that you haven't been given a fair chance to live a life that lets you fulfill your potential. For a man that also usually means few women will find you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 07:45 PM
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Can we all just agree to stop using a disgusting degenerate hookup app that's only going to pull in the skankiest of sweety pies on the girl side while pulling in every neck beard, loser, and r selected meathead on the guy side? At last he turned away, beguiling himself of his disappointment, and saying: "The sweety pies are skanky, and not ripe as I thought."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 07:38 PM
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However, a male almost never gains from sharing his inner thoughts with others on problems unless it takes the form of a problem solving session, especially with other males. Why? What makes you think this? Recognizing that the solution to a problem (which may involve collaborative action, or even violent corrective action) requires a discussion with stakeholders or a professional psychologist, is not "slobbering" your emotions all over the place. That is problem solving, and is a very male char…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 11:59 AM
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Expressiveness is a tendency to inform others of your emotional state and needs explicitly. It is an inherently female response since extensive communication and mutual mind state sharing is a female response in almost all cultures I have observed. Ok, thanks for clearing that up. What you're describing here is an entirely different concept, and you're correct that women have a greater tendancy to what you define as expressiveness. If we go back to the start of our conversation, you said that if…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/18 04:04 PM
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What do you mean why ask? Did you forget what we were discussing? You told me that claiming an unhealthy emotional state needed to be resolved vs repressed is measuring a female response vs a male. Then you said expressiveness is a female response. So then I ask: How do you define expressiveness, and what makes you think it's a female response? I'm assuming your multiple attempts to avoid answering this is your way of saying that you haven't really put that much thought into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/18 03:26 PM
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Right, because everyone who disagrees with you has to be an SJW feminist. Shouldn't the fact that I posted a video by Jordan Peterson, the man leading the intellectual crusade against radical feminism, SJWs and postmodernists have given you as slight hint that I probably am not an SJW? My views on gender are in line with my education as an organizational psychologist. Men and women on an aggregated level have differences in most measurable psychological or behavioral traits that are clearly show…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/18 01:35 PM
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You didn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/18 11:08 AM
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I already did in that very comment. Trying to say that people can only care about counts if their own counts are low, hinting that they are losers who can't get anyone or something, I guess. Not quite sure how this argument makes any sense otherwise. I don't think a low count makes someone a loser. The argument is that once you have some experience having sex with many different girls, your view of sex changes. Which again brings me to the logic I've explained way too many times. Wut? And no one…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/18 03:13 AM
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What do you define as “expressiveness” and 2. How do you conclude that it’s a female response ?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/18 09:18 PM
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I can't read your mind, I can't tell you why you perceive it like that. If you think it's a female response, maybe hearing someone like Jordan Peterson talk about repression is better? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtEd2KcuQ5A
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/18 05:43 PM
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Do you have any proof to back this up? Because men have tried and they didn't get better anything by being this way. Same proof as any TRP idea - you'll find men reporting success using Mark Manson's philosophies. Yeah, because men don't have an efficient way of dealing with their shit. Men used to do things that helped them deal with their problems, things like poker nights, car shows, racing and video games. But these things have either been ridiculed or have been invaded by women and changed …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/18 10:17 AM
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no, trying to say that people just think like that because no one wants to sleep with them doesn't make your argument look better. No, it's not only if you had fewer partners, your own partner count is irrelevant to the question. I don't think so and can't see why - you'd have to be repulsed by yourself if that was the case, or a giant hypocrite. But we're obviously not going to agree on this. But now at least I see what you're trying to do, I almost got it last time. Well shit, tell me what I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 10:54 PM
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Well, I told you roughly the thought process here. If you don't see why anyone would care - there's nothing else I can do. You don't see why YOU would care, and it's fine and up to you, but you aren't even trying to understand the position of others, in which case it's unclear why you even asked? To try and change how someone feels about it? To be able to say gotcha or something? Yes, and I understand how that thought process can apply if you have been with fewer partners yourself. I don't under…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 08:32 PM
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If you mean that they expect the same of others, I agree. However, the women I'm talking about mostly give attention to others insofar as it influences themselves. For instance, they may pay very close attention to their s/o's behavior and evaluate how it influences themselves, and they pay very little attention to how their own behavior influences others. To an outside observer, these types of women may look like the main characters in a movie where everyone else plays a supporting role related…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 03:47 PM
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Would you marry an ugly woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 11:55 AM
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Oh yes. Women look for well-paid job in partner and men don't receive alimony. Undeniable proof of the claim that "all women are goldigging sluts who divorce-rape you as soon as they can".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 09:57 AM
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I don't think so really. I believed in a lot of PUA stuff when I was in my early 20s. I think there's an epidemic in the western world of lacking male role models and mentors, and this leads to men developing at a slower rate, and some miss out on crucial input when it comes to women and being a man. Getting laid is a very strong drive for men - you can believe a lot of crazy stuff if you think it'll get you laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 09:54 AM
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This is a good analogy, and you know how good it is because each side rages at the comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 09:46 AM
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Burden of proof, proving a negative, russel's teapot etc....
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 09:44 AM
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It's possible. I wrote a paper on MGTOW(the forums) many years ago, and I discovered two types of members: 1. Men who had been through shitty divorces, lost their children etc. They had created the community and would have long winded discussions giving each other advice and emotional support. 2. New members of the community. These were the majority, and they would mostly introduce themselves with a story about how they never understood or had any success with women, and now they understood that…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 09:43 AM
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Men are flattered even when women who are unattractive to them want to have sex with them, and they may even actually have sex with these women. I'm not. It's actually kind of annoying, and if it's a really unattractive girl it's kind of insulting that she thinks we're in the same league.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 09:31 AM
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I’ve been attractive for around half of my adult life and any and every instance of women being attracted to me is extremely flattering. Regardless of my attraction to her. Come on. You're not flattered when you get a superlike from a hambeast on tinder. That’s how attraction hits. You fall for their looks and personality and inside stirs feelings of altruism towards the object of your désires. I cannot fathom why anyone not diagnosed with psychopathy could fail to be deeply flattered by this? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 09:30 AM
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No, it's not real strength. A fat man who is "comfortable in his own skin and not afraid to expose himself" is not going to get a 10/10 model. Most people won't get a 10/10 model by doing anything. Everything else equal, you'll get better quality women by doing this. That's my claim. It's better for the man to live his life with a little bit of dignity by dealing with his shit behind closed doors as opposed to advertising it to the whole world. Men should have a sense of dignity, pride and honor…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 09:16 AM
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Everyone has weaknesses. If you believe otherwise, you're lying to yourself. Sometimes you're nervous, sometimes you're unprepared, sometimes you fail, sometimes you're clueless, sometimes you're embarrassed or ashamed, sometimes you have no idea what to do in a given situation. Let's say you're afraid of heights and someone asks you to come bungee jumping. You don't want to do it. A person who hides his weaknesses will make up some sort of excuse, maybe even an excuse about him thinking stuff l…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 08:55 AM
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How would it make it more difficult? It's irrelevant. It's not about being worse as a partner in this context. If you want to talk about that - start with somehow debunking all those well known stats. It's about whether or not a man wants to proudly think "Wow I'm her number 38". Well again if she's your number 3 I can see how that would feel a bit weird. If she's your number 45 I don't really see why you would care. No one said anything about the wall until you did. And nowhere did I commit tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 12:12 AM
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None of what you're saying is unreasonable. Both of your exes seem unreasonable. By expressing what you wanted, you discovered sides of them that made them bad partners for you. So actually, telling them what you wanted was a good thing, even if the realization that someone you loved and looked up to had flaws is hard to accept and hurts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 11:53 PM
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....That sounds more like a consequence of your ex having a diagnosis and some behavioral issues then something that applies to every man. Having rules like that isn't normal, and neither is the reaction he gave you. Based on that story, he needs therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 11:05 PM
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It is a good metric. People want what they want. Can't just pretend they have no idea of what they'd like to have. So you're saying what you want hasn't changed since you were a child? Mine sure have. I didn't know shit as a child. Not many people dream about a partner who wouldn't give that type of guy any time during their prime to fuck around with other people and then settle for them. Wait, are we talking about women now? I thought we were talking about men. I'm confused. I can understand if…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 11:02 PM
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Agreed she should speak up and not expect him to read her mind. Some girls are quiet during sex. But he absolutely did the right thing by asking when he felt something was off.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 09:21 PM
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He didn't violate her. It was awkward, or maybe she found his penis too small or something just ruined it for her and he picked up on her waning interest. What the fuck was he supposed to have done differently, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 08:51 PM
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Hm. What kind of things do you want that every man refuses?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 08:32 PM
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I believe it's a mild form of narcissism where they believe (subconsciously) that most of the attention in every given situation is or should be directed at themselves. Most aspects of life are framed through the effect they would have on them as a person, but they don't necessarily have the extreme self-image that a true narcissist has.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 08:31 PM
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Somehow I started thinking of a chores for sex medley to the tune of fingernails for cash
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 05:24 PM
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Sounds accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 05:19 PM
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A lot of TRP ideas should be attacked, and often. I haven't proofread TBP or anything, but there's no secret that a lot of people on the far left appear to be addicted to hate/outrage/anger and seem to look for reasons to justify expressing it on people. I would be really surprised if the TBP sub didn't attract those types of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 05:17 PM
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Those aren't very relevant examples of vulnerability. Vulnerability applies in situations where you have to choose between revealing a part of yourself that your are uncertain if will make you appear weak, or hiding it in some way. Nowhere does anyone say anything about letting your emotions run wild - that's a straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 05:09 PM
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Does that sound like an emotional state that needs to be resolved, or something that you should repress?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 02:31 PM
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They even had a summit prostesting this recently. Look at all the protesters
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 01:36 PM
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Who is getting triggered by it? I haven't seen anyone say anything negative about sexbots. Maybe about child sized sexbots, but other than that - nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 01:34 PM
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Hm, ok. I'm having a hard time seeing how it relates to the ideas I presented in the OP - or are you just generally presenting thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 01:30 PM
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Most of the 21-ish year olds making outrageous claims probably will, I think. I knew a lot of guys when I was that age who were completely obsessed with PUA theory (as was I), and more or less every single one of them has moved on now. But some of them won't, and that's the group who worries me - mostly for their own sake. The type of people who partake in every bad corner of the manosphere (mgtow, incel etc) and convince themselves that the world is a terrible place with no hope except moving t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 01:25 PM
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No one finds a grown man who deals with the world as a child attractive. And they hopefully never will. Where did anyone say you should act like a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 11:17 AM
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I think mentally ill women also constitute outliers here. It's called abnormal psychology for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 11:15 AM
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I agree absolutist terms are unrealistic, but it does illustrate general points. I will agree that it is possible to put on an act to get laid, and that there are certain tricks you can do to make the process easier, but I don't believe it's the most effective way. I don't agree that seduction is a superficial prestige game at it's core. If a woman is attracted to you and you're comfortable in your own skin, seduction is basically about reading her signals and escalating at the right moment, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 11:13 AM
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Acting in a play - that's a really good metaphor. I think to them it's like telling a fish it's surrounded by water. Most of them have probably grown up finding the social world and especially interaction with women to be chaotic and illogical. TRP/PUA/Whatever is an attempt to make sense of reality and give some direction. Many also grew up as "Nice guys" and probably have some traumatic failures they want to extract some kind of lesson from.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 11:01 AM
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Would you say you're strong if you're afraid to show weakness? If people think you're weird for being authentic, you either have problems that need addressing, or you have the wrong friends. Some people won't like you no matter what, that's life - no use to pampering to them. You're not living on your own terms if you hide who you are in other to please others. There's nothing manly or strong about it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:43 AM
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Is different music preferences a weakness? Anyways, since you have some sort of mental illness, that does make you kind of an outlier here. But it's not your vulnerability that's the problem you're describing - do you really think you'd be able to snag the girl by pretending not to be shy? Or if you have a mental illness, do you actually think you can hide it? These are issues that you need to work through - not attempt to hide. Worrying about small things that will kill attraction is a surefire…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:30 AM
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You're right that no one are perfectly strong. Which is why hiding weakness is ridiculous - everyone has flaws. Who are you trying to fool by hiding them? I really, really disagree that hiding flaws is a good way to becoming stronger. "Fake it till you make it" is a terrible strategy. You are still being transparent when you do this - but you are most of all transparent with your fear of showing weakness. People see through this. Women smell it. When you leave the room, people talk about how you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:22 AM
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Yeah I've found that women don't necessarily get lower standards as they approach/reach 30, unlike what TRP claims. However, this depends on the woman. If it's a career minded woman who has no rush to start a family, my experience is that she's very open to dating but has high standards (too high in some cases for her own good) for going anywhere further. If it's a woman who has mentally planned to have children by the time she reaches 31 or whatever, her standards plummet and she seems to be on…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:13 AM
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Your entire post is collection of circular arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:06 AM
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Glad I'm not the only one who sees this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:04 AM
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I used to do PUA back in the days, and it was really exhausting. Always thinking about whether or not you were being alpha, what value you were displaying etc. Completely ridiculous and transpartent to most women. Additionally, you don't really get to have actual conversations with women when you're in that mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:01 AM
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Well then you're not actually being transparent if you're afraid of showing weakness, are you? Vulnerability is more or less stating "Here I am, take it or leave it.".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 09:59 AM
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On the other hand I've had women immediately lose interest in me the moment I show any kind of weakness. That's why I stress how important it is to balance out vulnerability with strength. Care to elaborate? What type of weakness did you display?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 09:55 AM
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Slobbing your emotions all over the place is unmanly. So if you were to be open with your emotions, "slobbing them all over the place" is how it would look?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 09:48 AM
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For all you know, men showing vulnerabilities could overcoming those vulnerabilities could lead to them leading a lonely life that they otherwise would not have had had they not shown emotional weaknesses. You can apply that statement to any idea, including TRP ideas. Nothing "guarantees" that women will be attracted to you, but women are attracted to men who are comfortable in their own skin and not afraid to expose themselves. That's real strength. If you suddenly start crying at work then tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 09:46 AM
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It doesn't have anything to do with showing emotions: If you share a heartbreaking story about your dog dying because you think that’s what someone wants to hear and that it will make someone like you or be attracted to you, then you’re doing it wrong. That’s not genuine, and therefore it is not vulnerable. Your quote doesn't really support your claim. Do you understand what he means when he says that the story's not genuine?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 09:39 AM
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Neuroticism is a personality trait that's heavily heritable, so It's not like it's a choice. For someone neurotic to express their tendencies in a socially desirable way I'd actually suggest openness as well - testing the hypotheses they so often have regarding how other people find them embarassing etc. Actually learning that most people worry more about themselves can be a relief.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 09:12 PM
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I don't see how I'm forcing anything really.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 09:09 PM
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Which is different from just letting your emotions out. You turn your natural desires into a more socially acceptable form, and then you let it out in a socially appropriate situation. That is control. Well yes, I never advocated just mindlessly letting your emotions out. I want you to understand that not everyone has perfect, well-formed, pro-social emotions, especially among men. You may be less angry than most men, or you may be a woman. People report rage with more testosterone. This rage mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 09:02 PM
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If you're actually not affected by something then that's an irrelevant situation. I don't think we're talking past one another - I was addressing the point about faking things. And I should point out that this doesn't apply to every microscopic detail of your life. If a mosquito bites you and you brush it off, that's not a lack of vulnerability - you're not vulnerable by saying a mosquito bite is itchy. The situations in question are the ones where you're faced with the choice of either not expo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 08:49 PM
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Hm, I'd imagine the neurotics are the ones who put on an act since they're the ones anxious and insecure about who they really are, but that's just my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 08:02 PM
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It's not a strength. Strength is being bothered by nothing or having the fortitude to convincingly fake that And this is where we disagree. So I'll try to understand: How does being too afraid to say what you really feel make you strong? It's a loaded question, yes. But what else than fear drives the desire to fake not being bothered by anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 07:57 PM
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Don't think so. Yes it's a good way to become confident but most women prefer it if you put on an overt masculine mask than saying "fuck it I don't care about anyone's approval, no need to be manly those are my real feelings!" How it that working out for you? I rarely pick up women in clubs anymore. Prefer bars. Actually, I usually just meet up with girls from tinder or happn, it's even easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 07:51 PM
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Either way, it's irrelevant to what I said. When you were a kid and first started thinking that you will have a wife and kids and all that - were you thinking about stuff like sexual compatibility? nah. But you definitely didn't want to be someone's last choice. I don't think what I wanted as a kid is a good metric for anything. Sexual compatibility is extremely important for having good sex - I know that now. By definition if you marry someone you are intended to be their last choice. Having so…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 07:48 PM
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The thing is, men can exhibit vulnerability... but if there's no strength that accompanies that, then they're just vulnerable. Who wants to fix that? Moreover, what woman wants to fix that? Women aren't supposed to fix men, men are supposed to fix men, so if you're vulnerable and weak... fix yourself. Hmm yes others can't fix you, definately agree with that. But others can help you understand yourself - often by not doing anything else than listening. I agree strength is another....virtue? But I…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 07:30 PM
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As I believe I said earlier, I agree that you won't get laid during your phase of sorting yourself out by always opening yourself completely up to strangers. But after you get comfortable with it - sure. It's a lot easier to get laid when you don't worry about showing weakness when talking to a chick. Women can smell your inner insecurities through your mask of confidence when you're putting on an act. When you're honest and don't give a fuck, they relax around you. If they're also physically at…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 07:13 PM
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I don't think you're understanding the concept. The sentence you quoted there is the difference between him saying those two things when asked how he feels about riding after the accident: "I've gotta admit, after experience something like that it's kind of scary to get on the bike again. I sometimes get jumpy when a bike wobbles in front of me but then again, I really love biking so I just have to get over it. The doctor told me the best way to do that was to confront similar situations, so I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 07:09 PM
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Thanks for the tip I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:56 PM
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Dude, read the damn article. I'm not going to defend the strawman you're lighting up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:55 PM
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Fascinating. It's almost as if emotions are meant to be controlled. It's a question of definition maybe, but I would categorize what I described as an expression of emotion in a healthy way. So that it doesn't bottle up and explode in situations like say, when I consume alcohol. If you get violent when you're drinking - do you think this is a sign that you're handling your emotions correctly?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:53 PM
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You make good points and have given me something to think about. What you're saying is evident in the discussions going on here as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:50 PM
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How does someone's amount of previous sexual partners determine how a relationship will be? If anything, you're better suited for judgement of how sexually compatible you are. Many of my early sexual partners weren't good anatomical matches, and that has an enormous impact on the potential for a good sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:47 PM
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I didn't say you should go to strangers and talk about issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:42 PM
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I think that's definately a point. If you're on a date and say "I'm unemployed and my life is shitty", she'll lose all attraction. But again - what's most important, getting your life together now or getting laid tonight? She'll see through your charade eventually if you're putting on an act. Maybe even when you're there. On the other hand, if you say "I was unemployed for a year and it really sucked. So I started my own company and now everything is awesome", she won't dry up because you used t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:41 PM
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That gave me quite a funny mental image. I actually laughed. Not sure if you're just joking around now but I assume you know what getting to know a person means.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:38 PM
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Bullshit. The greatest demonstration of power and security is to keep your moments of mental weakness to yourself instead of voicing it to others Hm, ok. What would you say constitutes a moment of mental weakness?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:34 PM
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Interesting. Thanks for the info.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:33 PM
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Hm, maybe. I agree it requires maturity. However, I think that the ideal process of reaching this maturity is to talk through your emotions from a very young age. A lot of the people who are TRPs and previously were "nice guys" may find it hard to grasp this, they went from one instrumental view of communication to another. I don't think one necessarily needs a "Game plan", just a willingness to honestly look at yourself. The hardest part though may be letting go of the shame that might be tied …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:32 PM
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I think if you actually had a desire to do this, this would constitute an almost uncontrollable rage which would make it very hard to function at any level. And you'd probably get violent a lot after drinking alcohol, which lowers your inhibitions - do you? I really hate it when people are lazy writers myself, but I usually get that out of my system by ranting about it in a sarcastic way to some friends. If I was filled with murderous rage over small errors that would be symptomatic of other, se…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:28 PM
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Just curious - how old were you when you got married, or went exclusive with this guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:19 PM
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So you genuinely have a strong urge to bash someone's head in and howl if they forget a period in a memo? Or is that just an entertaining thought you get? Those are two pretty different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:18 PM
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I wanted to partake in a discussion. That's quite different from reading previous discussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:15 PM
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No, that's not what I mean. If you interpreted it that way, I would encourage you to read the article I linked.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:14 PM
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Care to elaborate? Examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:10 PM
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Why wouldn't I actually believe that? I think most "strategies" are nonsense. I don't have any specific patterns I talk to women about. Most of my ONS lately have been from tinder or happn. I mostly focus on getting to know the girl, having fun and being attentive to their body language and physically escalating when I can. Years ago I would think about shit tests, appearing alpha, blablablabla, it just turned things weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:09 PM
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How old are you? That sounds like a really low number. I think the average for a guy is around 12 partners or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:03 PM
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Thinking vulnerability is something you "Use" is kind of missing the point here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:00 PM
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The core of the concept is that when you're vulnerable, you'll really expose who you are. If you have issues, they will surface as well, and you will be able to identify and attack them. When you start handling your issues and becoming more comfortable with who you are, you'll be more naturally confident and authentic when you communicate. I don't know why you keep bringing in looks. I'm not saying that the only thing you need to do is to be vulnerable and nothing else. You don't go into threads…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 06:00 PM
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It works if you look good and have no issues. You are giving advice to rich people about how to get a meal for under 20 bucks. They don't need the advice and it doesn't help the poor. If you have tons of issues and have been covering them up for a year by pretending not to then no, putting away that mask won't get you laid overnight. In the long term however, I believe it gives you much greater success than any other strategy regardless of your looks. And that's not saying looks don't matter, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 05:48 PM
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You can't will them away, but you can learn to understand why they arise. That's what I mean by them not being permanent. If you're angry, you're not in a permanent state of anger (unless you have a tumor on your amygdala or something), something is causing that anger. And if you don't pay attention to what is actually causing anger, you might misattribute it - consciously or unconsiously - to some other, unrelated factor, which can influence your behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 05:45 PM
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Sorry if instead of going to therapy for 5 years before hitting the clubs and being vulnerable, I just wait till Saturday. Work on your personality in your free time but when it's time to sarge do that and get laid. That's a fair criticizm. I agree that "Never" may not be ideal during a period where you're sorting yourself out. EDIT: I see you added a comment: Ok you did not say to hide it but that would be an effective way. Then let's reformulate it "If you have no issues then open up. If you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 05:35 PM
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If you think they mean nothing then chances are you're just unaware of how they affect your thoughts and behavior. Emotions aren't just random things, they basically controlled our behavior for most of our evolutionary history. It's not like they just tagged along after our cortexes developed without any function.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 05:31 PM
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If that works for you and you're happy then all the more power to you. I think most people are more successful in most social interactions by learning to be vulnerable, because anything else is just pretending to be confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 05:27 PM
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I think you’re misunderstanding this. You should show emotion in situations where it is warranted and acceptable, so you don’t look like some sort of inhuman monster. You shouldn’t just go emote all over the place for its own sake Hm, I don't think I ever said you should emote for the sake of emoting. Being open with emotions can be as simple as saying "That makes me angry", or explaining why you're uncertain about something.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 05:23 PM
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Still sounding like Cathy Newman here.... I'm not saying hide it - I'm saying sort it out. Fix the root cause of whatever you think you need to hide. Emotions are not permanent aspects of your character.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 05:20 PM
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"Open up, but not if you have issues, then hide it!" thanks for that advice Mark. You're reminding me of a certain journalist here. At no place in either the article or my summary of it is this suggested.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 05:16 PM
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I can agree with that. Can't really see the appeal in "putting on a character" for someone though, sounds like a lot of work. But I guess people are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 05:12 PM
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blabbering like a baby Who said anything about blabbering like a baby?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 05:11 PM
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So am I wrong in assuming you have some things you need to sort out then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 05:10 PM
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So you'd rather address the tone in which you feel I'm writing, than the actual content? Not much for debate huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 05:10 PM
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What's a high N for a guy`?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 04:47 PM
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if we’re really honest then just admit that your honest feeling are sometimes NOT NICE at all Which is why expressing them makes you vulnerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 04:39 PM
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Ok, so the woman might have been irresponsible since she got pregnant. And hopefully you have some answers for questions such as "what if the pregnancy is the result of rape?". But regardless of that - is it the child's fault that his or her mother has been irresponsible? And further - is it economically sound to not make sure a child grows up with the highest proability of contributing to society as an adult? The child will possibly grow up malnourished and drop out of school. And then contribu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 04:02 PM
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