Ambientmouse Archive

Upvotes	Title	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
73	CotWA piece on yet another statutory rape victim being required to pay child support to his rapist.	Ambientmouse	/r/MensRights	07/07/13 09:47 PM
39	Marxist class warfare, as applied to the sexes	Ambientmouse	/r/MensRights	23/12/13 04:30 AM
33	So, AVFM did issue a retraction regarding Georgetown U...	Ambientmouse	/r/MensRights	23/04/13 02:43 AM

Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
4	Hackerschool has $5,000 grants available only to women. Small favor? Mind not joking about this sort of thing? While I'm sure this was intended as humor rather than actual advice, I would note that people falsely claiming to be transgender hinders those who actually are in much the same way we commonly point out that false claims of rape hinder the handling of real reports.	/r/MensRights	05/01/14 05:57 AM
0	Writer makes a great point about the need for bookstores for men Is there any particular reason you feel the need to spam this sub with David Futrelle's writings from a decade+ ago?	/r/MensRights	05/01/14 02:20 AM
8	Nice comeback from my FB feed on circumcision It could certainly use improvement, yes. The main point I had hoped to convey was that it would be far more consistent and egalitarian to base any prohibitions on circumcision on the severity of the action, rather than unilaterally saying that any/all operations against children of one sex are okay while anything performed on children of another sex are utterly wrong.	/r/MensRights	01/01/14 12:28 PM
17	Nice comeback from my FB feed on circumcision False. We take a more nuanced viewpoint for the most part. If you are interested in learning or viewing some good material on the topic, here is a wonderful youtube video which notes the more commonly held view: namely that there are forms of both male and female circumcision that are comparable, and drawing a line based on sex is unreasonable. Most of us do draw the line at any circumcision, but there admittedly there are some who would draw it elsewhere. Youtube link.	/r/MensRights	01/01/14 11:49 AM
5	So what are your thoughts on this First thought: this is not precisely an MRM issue. It is a bodily autonomy issue, but only related to reproductive rights due to the exception in Texas law. I'd have to say that the do not resuscitate order filed by the mother should have been followed. The father's concurrence, while it supports this decision, should not be required.	/r/MensRights	31/12/13 07:22 AM
2	When the first wave of feminism came through, did women risk being publicly shamed and having their futures jeopardized if they participated? Whether yes or no, what implications does this pose for the men's rights movement and what does that imply? I'm just going to have to say that /u/indigoanasazi is mostly (but not completely) off the mark with regard to the consequences for earlier waves of feminists. While it is true that traditional gender roles tend to place an obligation to protect all females from harm, those obligations tend to be withdrawn if the other party deviates from their role. His comparison to second wave feminism may be accurate, but I would need to look into the specifics more to say with any certainty. Additional edit…	/r/MensRights	31/12/13 07:15 AM
6	I have an intersectional question for you guys. Partially granted: the sexism which transgendered individuals receive is based entirely on their perceived gender, which of course may be different from what they identify with. The transgendered aspect of discrimination comes into play when they are identified as transgendered, and the reactions differ from what they would otherwise be on that basis. Thus, a biological male who self-identifies as female, and who is perceived as male and berated for the ways in which they do not adhere to male g…	/r/MensRights	29/12/13 06:59 AM
6	Looking for some information.. There are a few linked in the sidebar: http://www.reddit.com/r/mensrightslinks/comments/y0mnx/dvipc_summary/ Or if you'd prefer, the Partner Abuse State of Knowledge project has a good summary of their meta-analysis of over 1,000 studies in the issue of partner violence. You can find a copy of their summary here: http://www.springerpub.com/content/journals/OverviewofFindings.pdf If you'd prefer the option of delving in a more detailed manner: http://www.springerpub.com/content/journals/PA-Knowle…	/r/MensRights	29/12/13 05:58 AM
11	I have an intersectional question for you guys. It is important to note that the MRM does welcome discussion of how specific subgroups of men, whether they are defined by race, gender, or any of the numerous other factors, are oppressed or have their oppression magnified due to the combination of these factors... but that it restrains itself from advocacy on those other factors, instead considering it preferable to have a clearly defined boundary from which it will not stray. The main reason this is considered preferable is so that the issue …	/r/MensRights	29/12/13 05:41 AM
14	Feminist Men's group's article on how to be a good Dad. Shut-up, and give $$$$ to the Mother. The more articles I read on this site(NOMAS), the more disappointed I am. I do not see any discussion of circumcision. I do not see any discussion of domestic violence by women. I do not see any effort to address violence by men against men, save for certain subgroups (LGBT primarily) (Edit: Oh, look, there's an article by Michael Kimmel on school shootings, so I guess they sort of address it. Sort of). I do not see discussions of the draft. I do not see any discussion of reframing reproductive …	/r/MensRights	28/12/13 08:26 PM
1	Has anyone else tried to contact John Scalzi about his Straight White Male article? Hm... Interesting. Decided to look into news articles on upward mobility, as broken down by race in order to explore one facet of the conclusions, and discovered this: http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/25/the-complex-story-of-race-and-upward-mobility/?_r=0 Interesting conclusions, arguing that race may be more of an indirect factor, but need to look at other research on the topic.	/r/MensRights	25/12/13 07:50 AM
1	Marxist class warfare, as applied to the sexes In some ways this is more the background I'm approaching it with as well, and would have to agree that domestic labor was one huge flaw with the original articulation... I'd have to agree that exploring the idea in the context of shattered gender roles, increasing single parenthood, and other large-scale societal changes would be very interesting and perhaps the best course for trying to subvert some adaptations of Marxist thought against their more common uses.	/r/MensRights	24/12/13 03:34 AM
2	Marxist class warfare, as applied to the sexes I'll be discarding this line of thought, or at least modifying it heavily: I had not yet read Engel's writings on the origins of the family, and other flaws (such as the division of household labor/etc) render it pretty useless.	/r/MensRights	24/12/13 03:28 AM
2	Marxist class warfare, as applied to the sexes That... actually is a rather interesting wrinkle I'd have to give a great deal of thought to before responding in greater depth. Admittedly, my original post sought to limit discussion to just the economic sphere, but this would complicate matters if we went to the reproductive as well.	/r/MensRights	23/12/13 07:49 AM
10	"Feast on the corpses of men" for equality! This article is disgustingly mislead... I'd suggest a slightly different step: make it a standalone, sure, but also make it a warning. We are not immune to this behavior either.	/r/MensRights	22/12/13 09:19 PM
14	Women who work - views? Equal rights are equal rights. Everyone does what they must, and in the matter of relationships I would say that most members of the MRM take the egalitarian view that either party can be the primary earner, both should contribute to the household, etc. Of course, every relationship will have to strike its own balance when it comes to who does what and to what extent. It sounds like you've struck a balance that works for you and your partner, so why change it? If it doesn't work, well, that is a…	/r/MensRights	22/12/13 02:21 AM
6	A trans woman's question for MensRights I suspect that you have mixed me up with the OP.	/r/MensRights	19/12/13 09:29 AM
9	A trans woman's question for MensRights You do have a valid point in your criticisms of devil's advocacy. At that same time, if we do argue that experience is incapable of being fully shared between the sexes, there are relatively few bridges between them for potential understanding left other than logic and empathy... and we are very much taught in this society that one of these is preferable for each biological sex. This becomes especially problematic in SJW circles where logic is abandoned, and all are expected to embrace empathy, …	/r/MensRights	19/12/13 09:27 AM
5	A trans woman's question for MensRights I would note that perceived privilege can easily be overwhelmed by actually feeling right with oneself, at least in terms of individual priorities. I would definitely agree that Norah Vincent's experience would directly contradict... if Norah Vincent were a truly gender-neutral person at the start of her relevant experiences. It is true that the subjective experiences of individuals are naturally somewhat suspect, but it is also worth noting that the plural of anecdote eventually does become... …	/r/MensRights	19/12/13 08:25 AM
54	A trans woman's question for MensRights First of all, thank you for this post, seriously. Experiences like yours are one of the few cases where there can be a direct comparison of what it is like to be male and female in this society, and I do find it quite troubling that the voices of such individuals are effectively silenced. It bothers me greatly, actually, given the inclusion that supposedly is present, and how it mirrors my own experiences. In response to your question, even though I don't quite consider myself trans, what draws …	/r/MensRights	19/12/13 07:59 AM
27	Transmen & MRM The MRM is openly accepting of trans individuals, though it should be noted that I have not seen any major intention to advocate on trans-specific issues. Even so, there is clear overlap with some of these issues, such as how certain perceptions of masculinity are harmful or limit those who are perceived as or identify as male in our society. I would take a moment to note that there is overlap with both mtf and ftm trans individuals in this regard. I would further note that there are relatively …	/r/MensRights	16/12/13 02:46 AM
2	"Yeah. It looks like someone alerted the MRAs and invited them to come in here and belittle these women. There are some seriously hate-filled people on reddit." Self-fulfilling prophecies are too easy. Claim a group will react a certain way, and you have a win/win situation: if they do, you've been proven right. If they don't (and in this case the only way not to be regarded as proving the point is to not respond at all) you can just argue that meh, they must not have noticed/cared. There is no way to prove the negative... and anyone who responds regardless of affiliation, provided they take the other side, is pre-branded "MRA". All it really does is pe…	/r/MensRights	01/12/13 02:38 AM
3	What sort of response does everyone else get when they identify with the MRA movement? "Misogynistic" language used response ("cunt"): check. Stereotyping based on group affiliation: check. Direct jump to ad hominem attacks without discussion: check. Promotion of "rape culture" in the response: check. In the event that comment was made by a feminist or egalitarian, however likely or unlikely, they really aren't a very good one.	/r/MensRights	25/11/13 12:57 AM
5	[Serious] Why choose MRA instead of egalitarianism? In order to reach a point where egalitarianism will actually be egalitarian, the problems faced by men which are not currently being addressed in any meaningful way by feminism must be brought to light and acknowledged. Until that is accomplished, egalitarianism will, by default, focus first and foremost on women's rights issues. This is why I focus on MRA, and why once this is accomplished I would likely shift towards egalitarianism.	/r/MensRights	22/09/13 11:57 PM
2	You guys are not as "objective" as you think you are. I would argue that the initial assumption, that language creates reality, can just as easily be inverted to reality creates language... that is to say, we create words in response to what we see, not that we create what we see in response to what we say. (Though, to be even more accurate, I would argue that there is a Hegelian dialectic between reality and language, but this would complicate the discussion greatly.) And on a second read, I am just going to come out and say that there are some fa…	/r/MensRights	22/09/13 11:51 PM
-1	A 15-year-old boy who was raped by a 34-year-old woman now faces child support. Oddly, the names and dates do not match the article in the initial post, which was the entire point of the comment. Yeah, similar situations have happened in the past. This specific one in the OP is false, thus the discussion.	/r/MensRights	01/09/13 10:31 PM
0	A 15-year-old boy who was raped by a 34-year-old woman now faces child support. Hardly. If we are going to talk about or advocate based on an issue, it should at least be a real, demonstrable problem with specific real examples. We can cite the other instances in which it has occurred and everything would be perfectly fine. Making a big deal over a specific case that is demonstrably false just discredits this subreddit, gives people excuses to ignore the issues raised, and discredits those advocating on those issues. tldr: Act, but be sure the problem and specific examples …	/r/MensRights	01/09/13 10:29 PM
17	A 15-year-old boy who was raped by a 34-year-old woman now faces child support. That site is not, actually. This was posted a few months back, and a few people here noticed that they couldn't track down any actual news articles on the issue. There are other cases that are similar, as PierceHarlan has pointed out, but this specific one is most likely false.	/r/MensRights	01/09/13 05:56 AM
1	Why are sometimes female hostages let go while they keep the male ones? Alternate interpretation: plays on traditional gender roles to help negotiate an end to the situation entirely. Yes, it is an idea that is accepted by most members of society, but suggesting that it is the end in itself is problematic at best. Even so, it is still a cultural element that does rely upon and promote a gender bias.	/r/MensRights	16/08/13 03:18 AM
3	Was pleasantly surprised to see this on Tumblr. Thought you guys would appreciate it The problem is that the infographic's creators have not addressed one key assumption: namely that male and female rapists are equally prolific in number of victims. It translated "percentage of people who reported being victimized by X" into perpetrator percentages. Aside from that assumption, it just replicates the CDC report. Hopefully that assumption is eventually validated, or proves to have a minor impact at most. Still, as I've said before, would prefer we stick to what the research suppor…	/r/MensRights	09/08/13 02:23 AM
1	Vote brigading to deny attention to male victims of rape Points granted. At best, this can only be a theoretical discussion at this time in the lack of actual research. Very much agree that further study would be useful. The main point I was trying to reinforce is that reasons can be logically found for the numbers to go just about any direction, all depending on the assumptions of the person and how heavily they value any given factor.	/r/MensRights	05/08/13 02:10 AM
1	Vote brigading to deny attention to male victims of rape TB: you do realize you just repeated the issue in the original Mary Koss study, namely pulling the whole "I'll define what is rape, not you" mess, right? I respect your work in many areas. You are obviously a spokesperson for these issues, which is in part why I hold you to a higher standard than I might hold others. It is also why I am disappointed and frustrated when trying to point out that you quite simply cannot combine data sets in this manner and present the conclusions as fact, and that …	/r/MensRights	05/08/13 02:06 AM
2	Vote brigading to deny attention to male victims of rape I dunno, I'd be tempted to go the other way (greater number of male victims per female rapist) on the grounds that female on male rape is less recognized as a crime, less likely to be prosecuted, less heavily punished with jail time when they are, and so those who do so are liable to spend more time able to do so... assuming the perpetrators themselves even recognized it as a crime. Either way, making the assumption that they are identical and then extrapolating on that basis screws up the data.	/r/MensRights	05/08/13 01:47 AM
0	Vote brigading to deny attention to male victims of rape I raised the other issue as an additional critique within the context of the juvenile justice system, within this thread. Seems things have blown up a touch as a result, even though it too could go either way.	/r/MensRights	04/08/13 11:59 PM
1	Vote brigading to deny attention to male victims of rape Indeed, which adds another layer to the analogy rather than addressing an issue within it. I've edited it to reflect that.	/r/MensRights	04/08/13 11:24 PM
5	Vote brigading to deny attention to male victims of rape Suppose you had a statistic, such as 90% of all apples are devoured by Martians. 10% are devoured by Earthlings. There were 100 apples devoured in the study. Can you tell me anything about how many Martians or Earthlings devoured apples? It is very very tempting to say that there are 90 Martians, 10 Earthlings, and that Martians are 90% of the devourers of apples. It is also fallacious and does not follow. How many apples did each Martian in the study consume? Each Earthling? We only tracked the…	/r/MensRights	04/08/13 11:00 PM
2	Vote brigading to deny attention to male victims of rape Context: this conversation occurred within a discussion in which the number of victims reported being victimized by females was being taken straight across into an infographic as the percentage of perpetrators. My entire point here is the same as the original poster being criticized: we should limit our statements to the statistics we have, which are the number of victims which report being victimized by females.	/r/MensRights	04/08/13 10:44 PM
4	Vote brigading to deny attention to male victims of rape These are numbers for the victims, which is the point. You can't move directly from these to the number of perpetrators, even with "was victimized by X" stats. Doing so is almost exactly the same as when certain anti-rape advocates assume every self-reported rape = 1 rapist out in the world. Edit: I am not implying that the self-reports in either case are lies, just that additional interpretation beyond what the evidence supports is needed to determine actual numbers of perpetrators, such as ave…	/r/MensRights	04/08/13 10:25 PM
1	Vote brigading to deny attention to male victims of rape This would actually indicate greater under-reporting of female perpetration, as male victims are less likely to understand that their perpetrator was doing anything wrong when the crime is perpetrated by a woman. Indeed, that is one interpretation. I cited it as one example of a way the lifetime rates could be skewed versus the 12 month rates that would be more readily accepted in this context. The problem I have is that the data is being used to support a conclusion that does not necessarily fo…	/r/MensRights	04/08/13 10:11 PM
3	Vote brigading to deny attention to male victims of rape Valid points. They in turn assume that every perpetrator chooses to assault at every opportunity that meets certain minimum conditions and that the number of opportunities present are similar for both male and female staff in these facilities in spite of potential gender-based disparities in work assignments. The friends I have which work in the prison system do informally note these sorts of disparities, which I will freely admit may not be representative of the prison system as a whole and esp…	/r/MensRights	04/08/13 09:53 PM
1	Vote brigading to deny attention to male victims of rape Without the assumption that various respondants all had the same perpetrators, Soulcakeduck's criticism is self-contradictory, beginning with the admission that the lifetime data is under-reported. To really counter the application of Widorn and Morris as a control, one has explain why those numbers are so different, and soulcakeduck hasn't done that. If you take the argument as it's given to its logical conclusion, that means that perpetration was during most of the last generation's lifetime, …	/r/MensRights	04/08/13 08:59 PM
2	Vote brigading to deny attention to male victims of rape Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I am having difficulty finding concrete numbers for actual, quantified numbers of perpetrators in these two studies, which is part of the discussion in the other thread. So long as the claim is restricted to the percentage of victims who were raped by females, I have no issues. There is an issue with taking that information and immediately translating it into X% of perpetrators are Y: the data does not necessarily translate. It is well-known that female prison sta…	/r/MensRights	04/08/13 08:21 PM
3	Vote brigading to deny attention to male victims of rape Let me rephrase: if there is brigading via downvotes in that thread, it doesn't appear to be any greater than the usual for this subreddit, at least at this point. The number of upvotes could be suspicious. Any attempt at veracity is better than a flat out lie. Sure, but when the attempt at veracity has issues it is preferable to fix it and make it more honest still. That would appear to be the goal of the individual criticizing the original infographic, based on the conversation between the cri…	/r/MensRights	04/08/13 07:51 PM
4	Vote brigading to deny attention to male victims of rape Will certainly grant that there may have been some manipulation but the number of downvotes required to do this, and which are currently present, are sufficiently small that I do question this assertion somewhat. The specific issues cited are valid criticisms of the infographic. They would not be taken seriously in other circles, but I do prefer to believe that we do hold ourselves to a much higher standard of evidence. I'd go a step further and state that since the studies used only cite victim…	/r/MensRights	04/08/13 07:30 PM
1	John Stossel is taping a special called "Battle of the Sexes" with Psychologist Dr. Leonard Sax, who says schools ignore the differences between boys and girls…and boys are hurt because of it. An individual's belief about whether a given reporter is biased is somewhat irrelevant, when compared to that of society as a whole. To put it a different way, if a reporter does have a reputation for being biased it does not matter if he is not biased on a given article: many/most of those who may have been swayed have already moved on to the writings of some other person they trust. Still, it is nice to see someone doing this, even if they may be disregarded for the most part.	/r/MensRights	30/07/13 03:39 AM
1	John Stossel is taping a special called "Battle of the Sexes" with Psychologist Dr. Leonard Sax, who says schools ignore the differences between boys and girls…and boys are hurt because of it. It is also quite different from believing that a general member of the public will believe that the individual will report without bias, which is part of the issue here.	/r/MensRights	30/07/13 03:25 AM
3	How many of you have seen guys, "just loose it" on forums when they try to promote equality? ... I'm going to assume your post refers to selective moderation which is intended to make MHRM look bad, which is aided by the actions of specific MHRM members. Specifically, moderators which remove good comments and choose not to remove bad comments specifically because they are useful as "examples" of MHRM for the purpose of discrediting the movement, and individuals who provide fuel for the fires said moderators are attempting to stoke. No, I have not seen this very often. I usually see orga…	/r/MensRights	30/07/13 03:12 AM
6	How do you view equality? Why rule out other possibilities? Take everything from everyone and use it "for the good of all." Reduce everyone to £250, £500, or some other arbitrary value. Slightly different version: set everyone at £583, ignore the remainder. Eliminate the monetary system entirely, placing them all on equal footing in a new environment. *Create a scaling system which "penalizes" those with higher wealth by redistributing it to those with lesser, on the basis of how far from the mean each is, such as a …	/r/MensRights	27/07/13 11:53 PM
19	Why is it considered victim blaming to question someone's side of the story? I view it as a bit more complicated and nuanced: Most individuals who interact with or are trying to help victims of sexual assault or rape, which is where this term seems to be most frequently used, are trained to believe or support pretty much anything that is said by the person in question. This leads to a problem when this attitude is taken outside of the context of therapy: it suddenly shuts down any way of cross-examining or otherwise trying to verify claims. It shuts down any discussion o…	/r/MensRights	27/07/13 11:30 PM
12	Question for you MRAs from a sceptic Nitpick: most of us do not deny that there are some advantages to being male in our society. There are also some pretty severe disadvantages. There are also advantages/disadvantages to being female, but for the most part the disadvantages are in the process of being addressed. This is not true to the same extent for males. There are injustices in our society which should not be ignored. As Martin Luther King, Jr. noted, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." We are mostly focuse…	/r/MensRights	25/07/13 04:01 AM
1	Ok, what the fuck. I get that this is reddit where there is a sub for everything, and any different opinion is wrong, but this seems pretty damn passionate. Are MRA's really that looked down upon? So, someone created a sub to mock this one, a year ago, which has no activity over the last six months... and we are expected to care, when almost every main post there is in negative karma? I too am not sure what point is trying to be made here.	/r/MensRights	24/07/13 04:59 AM
4	What will we concede to Men's Rights? Agreed, and that quite interesting all around. Worth a moment of introspection, at the absolute least.	/r/MensRights	24/07/13 04:40 AM
11	What will we concede to Men's Rights? Much as I hate to invoke it, I'd say overall tone and topics chosen gave the impression this gesture wasn't all that sincere. Really, when you look at the statements made, they are a lot more "fluff"-y than actually nailing down anything specific. "Oh, I can see how things are perceived this way" is much different than acknowledging that there is a societal inequality. Of course, it is also worth noting that the post this individual was responding to was also such, for the most part, save for th…	/r/MensRights	24/07/13 02:54 AM
15	What will we concede to Men's Rights? Going to have to agree with /u/memyminown/ here: these are mostly minor issues. Legal inequalities, such as the impossibility of a male to be raped by a female in the legal codes of most Western nations, the lack of any legal remedy for males who have been raped or did not consent to have a child to avoid responsibility for the unwanted child when the mother insists, the current police procedures/codes which assume in the vast majority of domestic violence cases the male/s is/are the perpetrator…	/r/MensRights	24/07/13 01:56 AM
6	Looks like we're not her type, guys. Our loss. I don't usually have any interest in being that guy, but really? Could I at least suggest posting this sort of stuff in /r/mensrants instead?	/r/MensRights	23/07/13 03:13 AM
5	Question on the rejection of gender roles Simple answer? Consistency. If you are advocating for the dismissal of gender-specific roles being enshrined, reinforced, or otherwise codified by law in most or all other cases, enshrining a belief in law like there currently is in DV matters is inherently sexist and reinforces gender-based societal roles. It would be hypocritical to do so, and actually undermines your position on all of those other issues. In this specific case, there is a strong positive to doing so from the perspective of fe…	/r/MensRights	23/07/13 02:41 AM
2	Question on the rejection of gender roles There are a few schools of thought and disagreements within the MRM on these topics, which partly stem from adherence to or disavowal of any form of biological essentialism, and/or a focus on equality of opportunity versus equality of outcome. There are indeed biological differences between the sexes, which do in turn factor into societal roles/expectations, but at the same time the range of trait expression in both sexes has a great deal of overlap. Those I tend to agree most with advocate for …	/r/MensRights	23/07/13 01:21 AM
2	AMA by an ex-radfem: Good read for understanding motivations and reform. Very much agreed. I would have to say that this AMA also gives some very useful insights into how that division in the movement formed and became so highly self-reinforcing. While it may not be possible to fully prevent, at the absolute least we can try to avoid the same degree of extremism... and/or disown it when it occurs.	/r/MensRights	20/07/13 06:29 AM
1	A Voice For Men: Hate Speech? If you aren't already using one, programs like Mendeley are remarkably useful for keeping track of journal articles and otherwise organizing research sources.	/r/MensRights	20/07/13 01:26 AM
1	Cosmopolitan (women's mag): How common is female on male DV? The size and strength of a victim of DV is irrevelevant because victims of DV don't fight back. If they did, it wouldn't be happening. It doesn't matter how well you can fight if you don't actually do it. Going to have point out that this is definitely not the case. Most of the frequently cited studies around here indicate that fully half of all DV is mutual. Mutual violence is also highly correlated with severity of injury, which shouldn't be a surprise either. The quoted statement is more true…	/r/MensRights	20/07/13 01:13 AM
8	Getting sick of dealing with friend's hard-line feminist girlfriend. I'd feel obligated to note that if you are selfish enough to ask your best friend to dump their GF, you shouldn't be surprised if they choose to dump you instead. If they do, there is still the possibility of reconciling at some point in the future, but most likely not until after they break up, if they ever do.	/r/MensRights	17/07/13 07:17 AM
1	Look at who the targets of this are... This is an interesting summary, possibly concerning, and highly problematic, but my primary issues are not with the actual actions of this study (which focuses on analyzing the habits of individuals who have been convicted of domestic violence) as it does with the gendered application of those laws, as well as the potentially questionable experimental method used. This is a summary of an article which I do not have access to, so I cannot comment in detail, but 106 cases in Massachusetts may not …	/r/MensRights	16/07/13 04:42 AM
1	When does MensRights = women/feminist bashing With regard to many of these issues, we are still in the stages of creating awareness. I still get incredulous looks when I broach the topic of males being raped by females, even among individuals that have already acknowledged other issues such as the suicide, presence in prison, workplace death, education, reproductive rights, criminal sentencing, and numerous other gaps. It is surprising how many people believe that such a crime is simply impossible. It is surprising how many individuals rese…	/r/MensRights	15/07/13 03:25 AM
1	When does MensRights = women/feminist bashing The National Organization for Women does in fact advocate against joint custody being the default position. The language used in the press releases they issue portray men who use the judicial system in order to spend more time with their children as abusers, as uniformly evil. A couple of specific examples: http://www.now.org/nnt/03-97/father.html http://www.nownys.org/fathers_resp.html This becomes even more interesting when there is readily available evidence out there that NOW once supported …	/r/MensRights	15/07/13 03:14 AM
1	Had a lot of posts like this turning up on my dashboard over the last couple of days. I want to reply but others who have are just falling on deaf ears. Is there a point in challenging this if those being challenged are just ignoring all reason? A certain scene from Thank You For Smoking comes to mind... "It's not that I'm after you. I'm after them <pointing to crowd>." Point being, even if they are unreasonable and refusing to listen, it is quite possible that others viewing the exchange are not.	/r/MensRights	12/07/13 03:47 AM
1	CotWA piece on yet another statutory rape victim being required to pay child support to his rapist. It is worth noting that I am not currently finding the court case/s under the names given in the article, however. So, while CotWA has definitely written about it, there may be some question about the court case actually existing. Does match other legal precedents, however.	/r/MensRights	07/07/13 10:02 PM
3	Rape redefined in New York. Very specifically avoids allowing women on man rape to exist by definition. .... I'm currently being struck by just how similar the entire process of this discussion, which I had intended to be based entirely in factual/legal interpretations of the law, has mirrored some of the more blatantly misinformed conversations I've had with some ill-informed feminists. I definitely need to reconsider a few things in light of this. Your argument basically boils down to: 1) I have never been victimized in this manner and so consequently I do not know what the hell I'm talking abou…	/r/MensRights	07/07/13 07:16 AM
6	Rape redefined in New York. Very specifically avoids allowing women on man rape to exist by definition. Definitely agreed overall. I still have some concerns about whether or not the actual practice of law related to these statutes will be gender-neutral, but fixing the issues within the law as written should almost always take priority.	/r/MensRights	07/07/13 05:02 AM
3	Rape redefined in New York. Very specifically avoids allowing women on man rape to exist by definition. Normally, I would think that clarifying the position I hold would be adequate to address a misunderstanding of this nature. Evidently that is not the case in this situation. I'll be blunt: I'm going to ignore your advice on the grounds that only one individual publicly stated they had made that misinterpretation of my comments. I would say in return, and expect to be equally ignored, that if someone looks for reasons to be offended they will always find them, and frequently misinterpret well-int…	/r/MensRights	07/07/13 04:58 AM
3	Rape redefined in New York. Very specifically avoids allowing women on man rape to exist by definition. Legal definition according to federal statutes. It most definitely is rape by the colloquial definitions and certainly by sense of violation.	/r/MensRights	07/07/13 02:05 AM
11	Rape redefined in New York. Very specifically avoids allowing women on man rape to exist by definition. Forcible vaginal sex is not considered rape under the current law if it is a female aggressor. The penetration requirement is on the victim. Currently, the only way a male can be raped is if the aggressor penetrates him orally or anally with objects or fingers (or through statutory rape laws, but we do not seem to see those applied against female aggressors very often either). Please re-read the laws/statutes in question, since there seems to be a serious misunderstanding. The key element is tha…	/r/MensRights	07/07/13 12:32 AM
6	Seems fair. Judge ordered that he has to continue paying child support. There is division. I would note that this disparity you are seeing indicates that the preferred solution (according to MR) would be to extend some of the benefits of a pro-choice stance on abortion to men as well, namely allowing for financial abortion. This would address both of those points by evening the legal field as much as possible, while still taking into account the biological difference of who carries the child. There was a survey here recently which indicated that overall, the subscri…	/r/MensRights	03/07/13 01:16 AM
24	From Facebook, does MR care to help me verify/disprove these statistics? One federal study which shows the stats appear to have been flipped: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SPOUSMUR.PDF Note: is limited to large urban counties, as the report title states.	/r/MensRights	01/07/13 05:53 AM
7	I would like to bring this to the MRA's community's attention. It is nice to see people calling this app out for being sexist in public. Of course, action isn't progressing past those public comments, and I also have to wonder how many of the individuals who do so still use said app in private. And of course, this article is from February and familiar enough that I think it may have been posted here before. Nothing more current?	/r/MensRights	30/06/13 09:28 PM
5	I Never Meant to be a Feminist The author actually has some pretty decent stuff elsewhere, and is worth reading. Seem to recall ifeminists.com and wendymcelroy.com tend to track her writings rather well.	/r/MensRights	30/06/13 03:39 AM
2	I thought she was a troll until I saw that she consistently posts/comments with this ideal. ... This would be the point where, after looking at the full comment history, I call you both idiots who need to quit looking for reasons to feel victimized and/or blow stuff out of proportion. /u/Enragedson, that really wasn't a good way of addressing the situation, but it certainly was better than /u/AlltheCheesecake initially. Little point discussing things with someone once it is obvious their mind is closed, and it should have been obvious pretty early on.	/r/MensRights	29/06/13 08:01 PM
2	Some advice/opinions please? (story inside) Legally, he may be right. I am not a lawyer, and I haven't looked at NZ law regarding rape yet, so I wouldn't know offhand. Let me check. It looks like he may be correct: the perpetrator must have a penis, so male on male rape is legally defined as such. He is correct that a 35 year old woman having sex with a 13 year old boy does not fall under the normal rape laws, though there may be an exception for statutory rape. As for how to respond to these individuals, there really isn't much one can d…	/r/MensRights	29/06/13 12:47 AM
1	I don't know where else to turn. I suspect that may be the answer to where at least some of the extra money you've sent has gone... which is extremely unfortunate for everyone involved, save the lawyers.	/r/MensRights	26/06/13 02:57 AM
1	Talking to a feminist friend, she said she thinks that MRAs are a hate group and likened them to the KKK To sane folks: 5/100 = 0.20 That... is some rather messed up math. 5/100 = .05. Aside from the math error, pretty much agreed, with a touch of extra irony over the "basic algebra" comment.	/r/MensRights	24/06/13 03:14 AM
2	I have a serious question... Look at it this way: let's say you are a doctor, attempting to treat a patient with an infection that appears to be localized to one area. You treat it as if this is the only area that was affected by this infection, only to later have the problem keep re-occurring. Eventually, you realize you completely failed to pay attention to the other half of the patient's body that show the same symptoms, perhaps to a greater or lesser degree, and the infection keeps spreading from there again. Just about…	/r/MensRights	22/06/13 09:41 AM
12	Why do people think you guys hate women? For the most part, there is disagreement on this point. There is agreement whether that feminism as a whole definitely has not helped and does not appear to have any desire to help, but disagreement over whether or not feminism or traditionalism is to to blame for any given injustice. A decent subset of the MRA notes that feminism has actively reinforced some aspects of traditional gender roles, especially in the case of male obligations to females in addition. There are always exceptions, howev…	/r/MensRights	22/06/13 09:19 AM
10	Straight Male Feminist Trying To Understand MRAs Wouldn't quite say every, but definitely would concede the majority. Maybe not vast majority, that one is a bit questionable. Then again, it might just be those who come here openly proclaiming "I'm a feminist! Listen to me!"	/r/MensRights	18/06/13 07:14 AM
2	Straight Male Feminist Trying To Understand MRAs Should change now. Just noticed the OP linked this post in /r/feminism/. Nevermind, was removed.	/r/MensRights	18/06/13 06:29 AM
23	Straight Male Feminist Trying To Understand MRAs First, you assume we are all men. Second, that we are all straight. Third, the "I'm here to enlighten you" attitude is a bit off-putting and makes one think you might be a bigot. Odd, that. Look, if you're here to have a serious discussion, you're doing it wrong.	/r/MensRights	18/06/13 06:21 AM
20	Straight Male Feminist Trying To Understand MRAs I thank you for showing how willing you are to actually consider other viewpoints. I regret that you have clearly refused. You have chosen not to even try to abandon the initial premises from which feminism builds itself in order to consider them critically and determine if other viewpoints may also be valid. I do not think that you will succeed in your efforts to understand MRAs given these issues, but perhaps I am incorrect. Feel free to stick around, read, comment, question, etc: ideas which …	/r/MensRights	18/06/13 06:06 AM
15	Straight Male Feminist Trying To Understand MRAs Toss aside, for a moment, the assumption that women have been (or if you'd prefer, are currently) oppressed. Toss aside the assumption that a gender occupying public positions of power mean that all members of that gender are privileged in society. Toss aside the other underpinnings of feminist theory for a moment, and examine things from a different view. With regard to the idea that women have been historically oppressed, it certainly is true that there have been restrictions place upon them w…	/r/MensRights	18/06/13 05:31 AM
17	My brother has made anything relating to MRA seem like a "He-Man Woman Haters Club" (read for clarirty) The main trick, always, lies in self-examination. We live in a society where any misguided view one might be predisposed to, for any reason, is readily supported by enough anecdotal examples to make it seem justified... but so few people take the time to actually examine those anecdotes, and recognize to what degree they are reflective of reality. It sounds like your brother has fallen into the same trap many of us note many feminists often have: namely, transitioning from a critical stance to a…	/r/MensRights	17/06/13 02:19 AM
2	Legal System + Divorce = Biased and Sexist I wish you the best of luck on custody, though it sounds like this battle is far from over. There are always appeals if you lose, but I suspect your ex will also exercise that option if the outcome isn't favorable to her. I seriously hope that what has been presented is enough to at least remove your daughter from her custody... not sure if the option had been exercised, but it might also be worth reaching out to your ex's parents, depending on how well you got along with them and how concerned …	/r/MensRights	16/06/13 08:17 PM
3	The patriarchy that feminist fight against hurt men's rights too. This again? I know there's a few point by point rebuttals already floating around from the numerous other times this post has been brought up. Small favor? If you are actually serious about trying to make the world a better place and have any desire at all to have an actual discussion, please do some independent research on how the MRA views "traditionalism" and "feminism," specifically the ares they overlap... and then check this list again. I would also suggest looking into major organizations…	/r/MensRights	16/06/13 07:08 PM
5	Seriously? On Fathers' day? Simple answer: the author defines sexism as the whole "prejudice + power" bit, and then claims that men are in power. In other words, redefines the term to only mean a very specific form of institutionalized sexism. It is strange to me, seeing this entire focus on the overt occupation of positions of power, while also celebrating and encouraging the use of more covert power to influence society. There is a logical failure on the part of those who deny that they too can fit the "power + prejudice…	/r/MensRights	16/06/13 06:57 PM
1	Hey, could Feminist Amanda Marcotte be finally supporting paper abortions for men? Maybe. Main problem I see if that does occur is avoiding the usual co-opting of the movement... It definitely has not yet reached the point where it would be an equal partner in any egalitarian-minded fusion. One can easily look at how these ideals have infiltrated other movements to see what the likely outcome would be, if there were to be cooperation now.	/r/MensRights	14/06/13 05:46 AM
1	Men's Rights \| Cracked.com Thank you for the link, I was being rather lazy since I figured this was most likely a troll... and at least this time was correct in that assumption. Figures. Expecting Cracked to ever actually look into an issue in depth rather than take the easiest path to mockery, no matter what issue is presented, seems pretty futile.	/r/MensRights	14/06/13 05:37 AM
1	Hey, could Feminist Amanda Marcotte be finally supporting paper abortions for men? I think what I find most fascinating about his proposal is the case of an individual who receives those benefits from the state, but later has the father express an interest in maybe being a parent... Makes me wonder if there would be any provision to avoid paying the mother/child twice. But really, these sorts of details pale when compared to the simple fact that Amanda Marcotte is considering that it might actually be reasonable and equitable for a biological father to opt out in the first pla…	/r/MensRights	14/06/13 05:20 AM
2	Men's Rights \| Cracked.com Congrats. You fail at posting links. Mind editing?	/r/MensRights	14/06/13 05:17 AM
5	Some Thoughts on Helping Men I would first and foremost note that there are quite a few major aspects of your website which make my stomach churn, though it is well-intentioned. First would be the entire emphasis on the "real man." I will certainly state that almost all of the qualities you've cited are positive qualities in almost any human being, and are not necessarily intrinsic to masculinity. I would also note the potential similarity in tone to "man up" and other similar sentiments, which directly shows one of the the…	/r/MensRights	10/06/13 12:28 AM
15	The Duluth model (the feminist-approved model of domestic violence in US) is a pseudointellectual attempt to cultivate hatred of men and increase incidences of DV. The problem is making that assertion (that male on female domestic violence requires a different response than all other forms) requires evidence to support the claim, which in turn requires cited research... Specifically, it requires evidence that the male and female reactions to being abused, the reasons for abusing/etc show significant gender differences. You have yet to provide any evidence other than bland assertions. You have also failed to address in any way the statements of unequal fund…	/r/MensRights	09/06/13 11:00 PM
14	The Duluth model (the feminist-approved model of domestic violence in US) is a pseudointellectual attempt to cultivate hatred of men and increase incidences of DV. Setting up complementary schemes would potentially work if measures were to be taken to ensure they were balanced in actual practice. The Duluth model is solely concerned with male on female domestic violence, as you have noted, and is the basis for the actual application of DV law in most states. This movement from a program to support and treat one section of the problem into primary model used creates an inequality. It is far simpler and more effective in the longer term to point out the rese…	/r/MensRights	09/06/13 09:30 PM
1	Quick question I would really love some help with. Would overall have to agree. What one views as worse is subjective, after all, and it can be impossible to have a nuanced debate including examination of just how valid the facts each side is reciting with individuals who are not open to having their views challenged. Might also suggest learning some better framing/discussion/sales techniques, if only because it might lessen the frustration on your end. For example, asking if it would be valid to fight for men's rights if they are already oppres…	/r/MensRights	31/05/13 05:08 AM
2	A long overdue question about definitions. [NSFW Text] Honestly? The final bit (oral sex) could be considered sexual assault (legal definition) or rape (more colloquial "didn't consent"). This assumes you were clear in your nonconsent prior, and I would consider it very creepy/worse if this other person knew you fainted and continued anyway. For a more practical answer, were I in your position I would ask myself if I felt violated... and more so still if I felt unsafe actually talking to this person about the matter. If the answer to both of these q…	/r/MensRights	31/05/13 04:39 AM
3	Where can we go, if (in other words, WHEN) feminists get this subreddit shut down? This. Hadn't noticed before, but according to some outside sources /r/mensrights/ is now in the top 200 subreddits by subscribers... and is approaching twice the subscribers of SRS. Of course, subscribers =/= supporters of the issues expressed within, but interesting nonetheless.	/r/MensRights	30/05/13 01:39 AM
1	Saw this on Facebook. HAD to say something. Mostly agreed: on the other hand, universalizing assumptions about any group of people are rather problematic. More so still when those claims are made as they were in the original post under discussion: when they are purely reactionary responses to stimuli. Nuances: it is kind of like the difference between saying a group of individuals is programmed to respond in a certain way and does not have control over their actions when they do so, versus the group has chosen or been socialized to act/re…	/r/MensRights	27/05/13 12:21 AM
4	Hey rMensRights, take a look at this article. I think you might want to discuss it. I think one of the major stumbling blocks this article fails to account for is the degree of vitriol, of the entire gamut of negative emotions, currently directed at those feminist organizations which are over-reaching, frustration with the legal system's current biases, and that sense of disempowerment mentioned... but that it also cannot yet be easily resolved. I'm going to have to agree with Warren Farrell on this one, and simply note that a fusion between men's and women's rights movements i…	/r/MensRights	26/05/13 09:33 PM
1	Saw this on Facebook. HAD to say something. Sexism deserves to be called out for what it is, even in the middle of rants like this that are mostly unrelated to men's rights, which is why I chimed in. It deserves to be called out regardless of the identity of the individual being sexist, or the person that individual is being sexist toward. (The person quoted in the original post was being sexist towards both men and women, but I figured the other end was most likely already covered.) I would also very much agree that anyone who defines th…	/r/MensRights	26/05/13 09:13 PM
1	Saw this on Facebook. HAD to say something. Granted, assuming you could demonstrate empirically that the claim is valid. And I will grant that there is some validity to some portions of the argument, but overall I'd say that position taken is a bit too extreme: we can demonstrate that certain characteristics are valued by most women, but not that they are by all. We most definitely cannot go on to claim that women lack agency in any way without also potentially reinforcing/supporting traditionalist views of gender roles.	/r/MensRights	26/05/13 09:02 PM
1	Saw this on Facebook. HAD to say something. Agreed. I should have used the term sexist instead, but you've already mentioned the precise reason for why it would be so.	/r/MensRights	26/05/13 08:48 PM
6	Is it fair to say that our society is dripping with misandry? I'd have to disagree with you in a few specific areas. Not in all, mind you, but the unwillingness to look into these issues in detail and acknowledge some areas in which an advantage is present in disconcerting. With that said, I'd certainly concede that in the overall balance, men may be disadvantaged in pretty much every area traditionally considered core to male identity, or at least those more highly valued by them.	/r/MensRights	26/05/13 06:02 AM
1	Saw this on Facebook. HAD to say something. And in that I also agree, and the comment did adequately reflect on this: mostly making sure to emphasize that point, given the potential for it to be misconstrued.	/r/MensRights	26/05/13 05:54 AM
3	Is it fair to say that our society is dripping with misandry? If you definite it as loosely as some of the more radical feminists define misogyny, yes. Of course, their definition includes pretty much anything which reinforces "traditional" gender roles, is harmful or holds individual women accountable for their actions, etc, and have not really been challenged where they apply to men, so.... With that said, the problem with this idea is the universality: there are many areas in which females are the more privileged group, but there are also many areas in …	/r/MensRights	26/05/13 04:59 AM
20	Saw this on Facebook. HAD to say something. Overall, very much agreed with your comment. The original post basically depicted all women as beings without their own individual agency, instead reacting solely to the actions/desires of others, which most definitely is misogynistic. This is not productive for anything other than a return to traditionalistic views of gender relations, which this movement is and should be opposed to. Of course, whether or not the entire movement can be controlled or dictated by the actions of any one individual…	/r/MensRights	26/05/13 04:45 AM
3	"Most comprehensive review of the scholarly domestic violence research literature ever conducted" concludes female perpetration comparable to men You are partially but not completely correct: it would be better to state Western/European nations, with the US being most prominent. Findings in other nations mostly mirrored those in the US, but they were not discussed in any great detail save to claim that New Zealand, Australia, and UK statistics showed a greater male perpetrator bias than those focusing on the US/Canada.	/r/MensRights	23/05/13 04:58 AM
3	Why doesn't Chris Hansen promote treatment? Granted, but one does have to admit that children have a higher priority still... and I do find it difficult to argue against that status.	/r/MensRights	19/05/13 08:35 AM
2	Why do all MRAs seem to think that all women wrongly accuse men of rape, and that feminists are evil? Overtly occupying positions of power does not represent the majority. It is almost certainly true that the highest positions of society have historically been dominated by males, but the argument that they in turn have been looking out for male interests only is rather absurd when examined in detail. It is far more accurate to say that those in power have been looking out for their own interests, and the detail that these individuals is male is secondary to those interests at best. We do not dis…	/r/MensRights	17/05/13 08:10 AM
2	This Is Worthy Of Reddit Gold? And because most fathers don't fight for custody. When they do, more than half of them get it. Need stats on this cause it costs more to fight for custody for men than it does for women. Overstatement, unless you classify "joint custody" as custody for men. About 40% of contested custody cases result in joint custody, about 10% paternal custody. In other words, by that standard it is true that both men and women receive custody when the father fights... which is just weird to type. Minor revisio…	/r/MensRights	12/05/13 08:13 PM
4	So I had a training seminar today... Might not be a bad idea to also bring along research/citations which contradict the statements of that seminar. If nothing else, it could demonstrate that you are actually interested in the topic and attempt to be better informed, in addition to helping your case.	/r/MensRights	11/05/13 10:06 PM
10	1 in 5 women get raped in College. WTF, so 20% of all women ??? mybe its true but i find that statistic way too high. First: she cited a CDC study of college students reporting having been raped over their lifetime. In other words, not necessarily being raped during college. The author then changes that to during college for the rest of the article. One somewhat close and easily obtained figure for men would be 1 in 6 experience sexual abuse before the age of 18. There are quite a few complications in directly comparing the two, however.	/r/MensRights	11/05/13 09:29 PM
8	Thoughts on false rape charges against women? Your posting history is rather interesting to look at. I'd prefer to discuss this issue with someone whose actions do not demonstrate an intent to troll this sub, or is at least willing to use their main account to do so. With that said, possibly yes, possibly no. If you make this claim, you do realize it can easily be flipped, namely to claim that feminists are more likely to believe false claims of rape by females? Also: please do not conflate MRA with males, just as we try to avoid conflating…	/r/MensRights	06/05/13 05:08 AM
3	What happened to the "Men's Voting Alliance" website? Don't suppose you are using Symantec? If so, their filters are flagging a lot of MHRA sites.	/r/MensRights	06/05/13 03:47 AM
1	Should the father have veto power on abortion? Second, both parties involved do not have perfect information on whether most methods of contraception are being used effectively. I don't see how this is relevant, only the party which can get pregnant really needs this information (not that it shouldn't be openly accessible). Think vasectomies or medically documented sterility. Suppose a male falsely claims to have had a vasectomy or be sterile. This would be one example of a birth control method the woman would not necessarily have perfect kn…	/r/MensRights	06/05/13 03:25 AM
2	Should the father have veto power on abortion? There are a few problems present that negate my support for that line of reasoning. First, 100% effective is an overstatement. Second, both parties involved do not have perfect information on whether most methods of contraception are being used effectively. Third, that statement as it currently stands would also apply in cases of incest, rape, or other lesser degrees of coercion into sex. Fourth, the existence and use of post-conception means of avoiding carrying a child to term are pretty well …	/r/MensRights	06/05/13 12:31 AM
2	Should the father have veto power on abortion? Agreed: if beliefs exist without challenge, it is too easy to lose touch with reality. Discussion of these beliefs and the ideas which support them is almost always beneficial as a result. Likewise, I thank you: while in this case my position did not change, there have been enough other stances I have taken only to realize after the fact that I relied upon problematic reasoning to support my beliefs to make me thankful for those times a position I have taken has been challenged. I should also ta…	/r/MensRights	05/05/13 12:23 PM
1	Should the father have veto power on abortion? And that is the point where we will have to agree to disagree: I do not consider consent to sex to necessarily be consent to become pregnant, nor do I consider a state of pregnancy to necessarily be consent to bear the child, nor do I consider consent to bear the child to necessarily be consent to be a parent to the child. In that I would likely consider our discussion to be more of a conservative/liberal difference than that of an <insert sex> rights issue, save for the manner it highlights a c…	/r/MensRights	05/05/13 11:33 AM
4	Should the father have veto power on abortion? I think it is important to note that Donitee's comment is about the best reasonable compromise that can be created which also respects the bodily autonomy of all parties involved. I would go a step further and suggest that there should also be a default surrogacy contract option for those cases the father wants the child but the mother does not (but is willing to carry it to term), with complete responsibility for all reasonable pregnancy/birth/recovery expenses being borne by the father (who wo…	/r/MensRights	05/05/13 10:20 AM
10	From a reformed feminist (even if I didn't know I was one) - I'm sorry. And someday, perhaps, there will exist a world in which these issues are not gender-based... I could say that I wish that this comes as a surprise, bu that would be false. I am reminded of a common aphorism: there is the world we wish for, and the world we actually exist within. We must actively create the former if it will ever actually exist, and I hope that stories such as the one you've shared will help convince others to work towards that goal.	/r/MensRights	02/05/13 06:49 AM
3	you boys are being mocked over in askreddit No offense, but I'm given the impression you like to stir up controversy. While there are some antagonistic viewpoints expressed already, they are nothing new and not really worth mentioning. If this mention causes a few people to actually look into this subreddit and examine the material within, even if they disagree with what is present, it is a net win for this subreddit. If it causes them to disagree without bothering to examine the details, it presents an opportunity to provide other inform…	/r/MensRights	02/05/13 05:30 AM
7	What happens when you have militant mens right activists Less crossover between /r/TheRedPill and here than there is between here and /r/Feminism or a lot of other subs: http://www.reddit.com/r/AnalyzingReddit/comments/1608yr/rmensrights_drilldown_5_january_2013/ From earlier this year, but it is rather interesting even if it is from a few months ago. Either way, disproves PecanPig's comment.	/r/MensRights	23/04/13 05:12 AM
4	It took me all day to formulate the words I've been looking for to describe MRA effectively. NOW is the National Organization of Women. It is considered the largest feminist advocacy group in the nation. Needless to say, it is used as a great example of how the movements actually are in opposition on at least a few key details. It is also worth noting that they oppose the Equal Rights Amendment as it was originally written, and instead prefer a version which preserves all of the affirmative action and other programs which privilege minorities (including women)... while requiring everyth…	/r/MensRights	18/04/13 02:39 AM
5	It took me all day to formulate the words I've been looking for to describe MRA effectively. If you conflate all forms of feminism, the statements in question are completely true: we cannot work with feminism. If you speak solely of equity feminists, then yes there is some common ground: the problem being that outspoken equity feminists are not driving the overall movement. NOW opposes default joint custody, for example. It also opposes treating rape like other crimes, requiring an equal burden of proof. Alimony and child support laws tend not to be questioned until or unless they disad…	/r/MensRights	18/04/13 02:31 AM
0	To all the feminists here who believe in patriarchy and don't understand why we dislike you: The majority of my response was aimed at the OP's post and interpretation in light of these statements, not yours. I should have made that more clear.	/r/MensRights	14/04/13 08:26 PM
2	To all the feminists here who believe in patriarchy and don't understand why we dislike you: Even if we were to concede the societal structure described without further nuanced discussion and not bother to define what is meant by "equal," attributing agency for this change solely to females, while denying male agency in creating that system, creates a large number of serious problems. This is one area that I have serious issues with the OP's portrayal. I would say a more common view is that society was created to benefit everyone in theory, though elites (of all types) benefited and opp…	/r/MensRights	14/04/13 08:11 PM
3	To all the feminists here who believe in patriarchy and don't understand why we dislike you: Agreed with regard the OP moving from on extreme to another. More so still since the OP is claiming that the negative views towards men have been unrealistic and harmful and then goes on to claim women manipulated men to decrease their risks and obligations, as if society itself is not created by the actions of all people involved. It may make an interesting reversal of feminist theories, but reversing them just creates similar problems in the long term. One cannot fight inequality by promoting …	/r/MensRights	14/04/13 07:18 PM
1	Acts of violence against women (by men) cause more death & disability than cancer, malaria, traffic accidents & war COMBINED! (WHO 1997) ... technically, they've already done so from their perspective by citing the 1997 WHO statement. We know it is false, but people inclined to be intellectually lazy do not take the time to verify claims that reinforce their preconceptions.	/r/MensRights	13/04/13 11:21 PM
4	Acts of violence against women (by men) cause more death & disability than cancer, malaria, traffic accidents & war COMBINED! (WHO 1997) http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm Look at specific reports and categories if you think they are unlikely to be willing to do any research. It would be more fun to use 1997 stats to show that it wasn't true even then, but would take a bit more work.	/r/MensRights	13/04/13 08:32 PM
4	Why I should not be forced to pay Child Support I am completely for egalitarianism, but the physiological realities of pregnancy/childbirth make it one of the few points where I would consider an exception. While the second and third solutions are both equal, I would be opposed to them as a result. The first proposed solution would also need to take into account situations where the mother herself is not aware of the pregnancy until outside the window or fails to inform her partner. Since there are some options for giving up responsibility fo…	/r/MensRights	13/04/13 08:27 PM
1	A kind of patriarchy that actually does make sense? Going to echo ScottFree a bit here: the first major issue I have with this depiction is that it is focused on the visible face of power. This in turn leads to two sub-issues. First is that there is still a strong gender association with the concept which is unnecessary and problematic: you could just as easily use the word "oligarchs" instead, be perfectly accurate, and include all non-men in this ruling class who still have influence within that system. The second sub-issue is that not all powe…	/r/MensRights	11/04/13 01:47 AM
13	My PhD (from a top 5 school) is in a female dominated field. I have been unemployed for 10 mos. Just want to ask some things... It is always very difficult to prove discrimination, more so still given that if you are posting here there is a high likelihood you are in of the few non-protected classes... With that said, I am also in a similar position, in the sense of having a degree in a female-dominated field and being continually turned down in favor of female applicants, so... It sucks, and it is suspicious, but I would not that currently there appears to be a very large uphill battle to actually prove discrimination a…	/r/MensRights	10/04/13 06:31 AM
1	Question about MRA and feminism There are a few different problems with the idea of working together. First, a lot of people hold the mistaken belief that rights are a zero-sum game, that in order to be for rights for some group you must be against others. This is further conflated so that being against any specific right is often perceived as being against all rights for a group. The only time there is actual conflict is when these rights may be in direct opposition, such as in the case of child custody, or the creation of qu…	/r/MensRights	09/04/13 03:10 AM
3	why are equal rights a battleground between the M.r and the W.r? Equal rights are not a battleground. How we define them, and how they are achieved, are where the problem lies. Example: do you define equality as equality of opportunity or equality of outcome when referring to employment? If you believe in the former any sort of quota or incentive system that prioritizes a group of people for given traits not relevant to the job is anathema. If you believe the latter, you will offer incentives and quotas to make sure that the numbers work out the way you want …	/r/MensRights	09/04/13 02:48 AM
2	Do women really drive 80% of consumption? Do need to look at the actual data, given that the journal article also noted "In other words, both men and women are claiming to control the majority of spending decisions. That is partly explained by the millions of adults who don't live with another adult and who presumably make all their own spending decisions. " If they are not adequately controlling for single respondents, I would still be curious what results would occur from a survey which does. I am reasonably confident 80% would still …	/r/MensRights	09/04/13 02:13 AM
2	Introducing HateBase: on online database of hateful phrases, designed to help predict violence. Do you know any hate groups? Do they use hateful code words or phrases? Add it to HateBase.org! And suddenly, just to be a troll, someone adds "equality" just to see how long it stays up.	/r/MensRights	09/04/13 01:59 AM
13	"Men's Resource Center" website has articles like "What kind of abusive man am I?" and "Men who abuse women" That stat only refers to unilateral abuse. Other studies show a relatively even split between the genders. It is still an issue, but always best to use accurate data.	/r/MensRights	06/04/13 07:31 PM
2	Looking for an MRA response Precisely. I am saying that the purely rational mode of discourse is the only option for someone (male) to use if one is in any way trying to present an opposing viewpoint in that situation. Any effort to bring their own feelings into it would be immediately cast aside or deemed of lesser importance to the discussion at hand. This does not mean they have no emotional investment, however, just that it is not as obvious a factor in the discussion and does not appear to interfere based on how it wa…	/r/MensRights	05/04/13 05:58 AM
3	Looking for an MRA response Selection bias, especially when dealing with lived experiences used to support an ideological perspective, is a rather powerful force. One really can't argue against it in any sense. The most productive things I could think of would be to point out that the emotional disengagement does not indicate that these men are not invested or affected by the discussion: truth be told it is about the only mode of discourse they can resort to in those circumstances without having their thoughts completely d…	/r/MensRights	05/04/13 02:35 AM
3	Out-date rape statistics and feminism There are a relatively limited number of surveys of rape statistics, and it is extremely important to note what, precisely, one defines as rape. If one tries to use an egalitarian (both women and men can commit rape, and do) definition, which is not the legal definitions, the CDC's most recent "National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey" notes equal levels of male and female victims in the last 12 months: http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/. One has to go to the full report, a…	/r/MensRights	04/04/13 06:14 AM
21	I am part of a feminist organization and our next meeting (this upcoming Monday) is about MRAs and their movement. For wage information and an indication of just how much just one of the more obvious factors can affect the supposed gender wage gap, I would suggest consulting the usual suspects: the Bureau of Labor Statistics Time Use surveys (which indicate men on average work in paid positions 4-6 hours more per week, thus accounting for 10-23 cents per hour of the gap by itself, depending on which statistics you use and if you assume overtime). Other studies which specifically address factors such as exper…	/r/MensRights	30/03/13 05:08 AM
5	Looking for some answers on Men's Rights... You might also want to look into issues such as workplace fatalities (depending on study, 94-97% are men), and homelessness (80% of long-term homeless people are men). With regard to preventing the pendulum's swing, you presuppose that is has not already begun rising on the opposite side. I would simply suggest doing more indepth research, making sure to critically examine each article to see if it incorporates any obvious gender biases (and read analyses of research here and at AVFM if you need…	/r/MensRights	29/03/13 01:48 AM
6	Women talk about "Training Men Not to Rape". Seriously? From another study linked in this discussion: "7% of women self-report the use of physical force to obtain sex, 40% self-report sexual coercion, and over 50% self-report initiating sexual contact with a man while his judgment was impaired by drugs or alcohol". Now, I'll admit that all these women may be going after the same men, but 50% of women admitting to something that would be called rape were it done by a man is a bit problematic. The reference, so you can check: Anderson, P. (1998). Varia…	/r/MensRights	19/03/13 05:26 AM
4	Women talk about "Training Men Not to Rape". Seriously? Might have something to to do with the message itself being anti-feminist, anti-egalitarian, and anti-male. It states outright that female safety is entirely within the hands of men, and that men should take responsibility for it. It reinforces the stereotypes of women being weak, victims, completely not responsible for their own safety, while men are supposedly strong, the aggressor, and responsible for the safety of all. That is, when it doesn't deny that males can be victims as well, that wom…	/r/MensRights	19/03/13 05:21 AM
3	The conviction rate for rape is 58%. The conviction rate for reportable crimes of all types is 57% I am curious: if you do have access to those statistics, what are the attrition rates of other crimes? Might be interesting to compare the attrition rates of rape and/or domestic violence with other violent crimes such as assault, and perhaps also with some property crimes.	/r/MensRights	19/03/13 12:02 AM
2	When discussing the suicide rate of men Personally, I'd be tempted to make it a nice segue into discussing male disposability... "So what you're saying is the feelings of one (or a few) women are worth more than the life of a man?"	/r/MensRights	14/03/13 04:51 AM