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Damn. I just accidentally read a whole article by Amanda Marcotte. Where was my trigger warning! I've been read-raped! /jk And what's with this: I'm sure this story is on its way to a conservative media outlet near you, where some white, privileged man in tighty-whities will roll his eyes about the hysterical feminists, which, in this case, well—good call. That sounds like it's written by someone who has a tiny bit of perspective. That's not Amanda. Someone should tell her that she has an impers…
/r/MensRights12/02/14 12:33 PM
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Currently, very little heart research is currently being done on men by the AHA. Nearly all new research is focused on women’s cardiovascular research. We are given directives to conduct research aimed exclusively at women, and for the last 2 years, 95% of research subjects have been women. Can you provide evidence for these claims? I've been poking around the AHA website, looking at the research they're funding, and I didn't see a lot of obvious gender bias.
/r/MensRights08/02/14 10:29 PM
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I liked this comment: If the victims were girls I doubt we would have to wait until the end of the second paragraph to find out their gender. Instead, the headlines would be screaming "55 Dead Girls Exhumed". But because the victims were boys, journalists go out of their way to avoid mentioning their sex. They are "bodies", "children", "wayward youth", "students", and "kids" - anything to avoid connecting the concept of "male" with "victim". True victims, it appears, must be female. This is a ph…
/r/MensRights30/01/14 07:26 PM
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Early scouting has also become more prevalent in women’s sports than men’s, in part because girls mature sooner than boys. But coaches say it is also an unintended consequence of Title IX, the federal law that requires equal spending on men’s and women’s sports. Colleges have sharply increased the number of women’s sports scholarships they offer, leading to a growing number of coaches chasing talent pools that have not expanded as quickly. In soccer, for instance, there are 322 women’s soccer te…
/r/MensRights27/01/14 12:23 PM
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It's all appropriation of men's issues. Now that MRAs are become too vocal to ignore the feminists are scared to death that they're losing control of the gender narrative. So they're pretending to do all the things they were treating with contempt a few years ago until enough men started speaking up.
/r/MensRights27/01/14 12:50 AM
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I've had a couple of girlfriends who liked to play rape. That was back in the day before "rape culture" and campus rape hysteria took over, so I wasn't in the same danger that a young man would be today. Nevertheless, it was still a major mindfuck. This article is helpful in describing how to communicate about such sexual desires and practices.
/r/MensRights26/01/14 07:59 PM
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"Our schools need to be places where our young people women feel secure and confident as they prepare to go as far as their God-given talents can carry them," he said. FTFY, Mr. President.
/r/MensRights22/01/14 09:24 PM
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True, but the writing on Jezebel is more than ideologically polarized. Snark replaces reasoned argument. I think this reveals several things about the mentality of the authors: They believe the rightness of their position is so obvious that it needs no defense. They believe the wrongness of their opponents is so obvious that it needs no substantial critique. This absolutism indicates that they are unable to engage critically with ideas, and are thus incapable of intelligent critique of opposing …
/r/MensRights22/01/14 05:21 PM
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I think Rex Huppke provides a perfect example of how feminism is feminizing men. He writes with the same snarky disregard for facts and logic, the vacuous emotive appeals, and the automatic ad-hominems so characteristic of the writers on Jezebel.
/r/MensRights22/01/14 04:38 PM
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That has nothing to do with "men aren't ever actually oppressed and how patriarchy is real". Unless men are gifted with an ontological power of self-creation that no women share, it's just nonsense.
/r/MensRights21/01/14 10:08 PM
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One other suggestion - try contacting the web mistress at HUS directly using her contact form and ask her this question. I think she's very responsive to young women seeking advice.
/r/MensRights21/01/14 10:00 PM
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FWIW, my wife's values are very similar to yours. She was a good girl who did what was expected - she got her MS degree and a high tech job - but what she really wanted was to be a stay-at-home mom with 3 kids. She recently told me how ecstatic she was when I proposed because her path to what she wanted suddenly became clear. (I had made it clear I was able and willing to support the family on my salary). It's kind of funny, because both our mothers were career women and feminists in deed, if no…
/r/MensRights21/01/14 09:52 PM
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All my life I just wanted to be a mother and a partner. I want a man to take control and be the dominant figure in our relationship. I want to nurture, have children by now and settle down but am reluctant to share these desires because I am considered backwards and insecure. I'm genuinely curious what MenRights thinks of such women? MensRights doesn't think that women should be forced into the roles you describe, but we believe you should be free to choose those roles if you want to without inc…
/r/MensRights21/01/14 08:20 PM
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What's the problem? Her number one offensive app is the infamous "Boyfriend Trainer". 1) The ‘abuse your boyfriend app’ Its official title is the ‘Boyfriend Trainer’, and it lets players electrocute, hit and mace a virtual boyfriend after he does annoying things – such as leaving his clothes lying about on the floor This is certainly more offensive to men than to women, but at least she recognizes it as highly offensive.
/r/MensRights15/01/14 05:59 PM
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There's still plenty of work to do. For starters, in some states the number of women enrolling in Obamacare coverage exceeds the number of men, out of all proportion with demographics. But that doesn't mean the law isn't working; it means the administration needs to find better ways to persuade men to sign up for coverage. In other words, it needs suckers men to sign up to subsidize health care for women. It also needs suckers young people to sign up to subsidize health care for old people. So s…
/r/MensRights14/01/14 10:30 PM
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But what woman should be happy to know that the man she loves, dying five years before her because he has lived unhealthy and has not gone to the doctor? What mother should be happy to know that her son gets lower grades than their daughter? Which academic should be happy about all the statistics that say that highly qualified women can not find a man? I've found it remarkably hard to get women to care about these things. They may be concerned that their husband or son or father has a problem bu…
/r/MensRights12/01/14 05:22 PM
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This is an excellent article. I wish it were in English - the google translator leaves a lot to be desired. The man's crisis is not simply overlooked. The hypothesis that men need help, is combated simply. It does not fit into our image of women and men. It makes the debate about power and justice more complicated than it already is. This is so true. Women hold a monopoly on care in our society. All the discussion of gender inequality only concerns inequalities in power. The lack of care that me…
/r/MensRights12/01/14 05:13 PM
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“My 5-year-old, the other day, one of her toys broke, and she demanded that I break her sister’s toy to make it fair,” C.K. told the audience. “And I did. I was like crying. And I look at her. She’s got this creepy smile on her face.” I’ve seen that look on women’s faces. A future feminist - breaking everybody else's toys.
/r/MensRights12/01/14 04:20 PM
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Most of the comments on there were very fair. They pointed out how the OP's behavior would never be tolerated if the genders were reversed and were advising her to leave and let her husband decide whether he wants her back. There were even many suggestions that she report herself to the police. Attempts at victim blaming were soundly rejected. Overall I was encouraged that the idea of gender equity is penetrating even gynocentric places like Mumsnet.
/r/MensRights11/01/14 02:26 PM
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The main objection to infant circumcision is that it is cutting off a piece of the child's body without their consent. This is an act that our society finds acceptable to do to boys but never to girls. The protest against infant circumcision is that boys deserve the same respect for their bodily integrity that we already give to girls. If an adult man wants to cut off part of his dick, that's his business.
/r/MensRights11/01/14 05:09 AM
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I think most of your objections are due to your misunderstandings. First of all, what you think are facts, such as what feminism constitutes, the wage gap, and the prevalence of false accusations, are simply wrong. There is ample evidence to support that claim over on the sidebar. Very briefly: Overt expressions of contempt and hatred for men are extremely common among contemporary feminists. One simply has to search for #misandry on tumblr or twitter to find it. And even feminists are starting …
/r/MensRights11/01/14 04:38 AM
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Like asking Bill Cosby why he always wore sweaters. Racist!
/r/MensRights11/01/14 12:14 AM
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I don't think he meant that. I think that was her interpretation. I think he was legitimately wondering what the expressive purpose of her nudity is.
/r/MensRights10/01/14 11:00 PM
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I agree with you but I'm explaining why Lena was butthurt. She thought the question implied that not only was there no plot purpose to her nudity, she wasn't even hot enough to be effectively salacious. In other words she's neither clever nor beautiful.
/r/MensRights10/01/14 10:55 PM
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I think the actor and the producers felt that the question suggested that she wasn't sexually appealing while naked; and sexual appeal is the reason many other actors got naked on screen for other shows. That's it. Nudity on the "Game of Thrones" is salacious because the actors are hot. Saying Lena's nudity is for "no reason" implies it isn't even salacious, which implies she's not hot.
/r/MensRights10/01/14 08:31 PM
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They went apeshit because his question implies that Lena Dunham isn't hot. And the worst crime-thought of 4th wave feminism is to imply that a woman isn't attractive (or that she should do something to be attractive). I feel like I’m walking into a trap where you say no one complains about the nudity on ‘Game of Thrones,’ but I get why they’re doing it. They’re doing it to be salacious. To titillate people. And your character is often naked at random times for no reason.” In other words, the nak…
/r/MensRights10/01/14 08:27 PM
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It's like saying "men are taller than women". It's a generalization with many exceptions.
/r/MensRights10/01/14 07:57 PM
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I agree that men are valued on the basis of their utility, and this is part of why masculinity is a multiplier. Those who have the greatest utility often also have the greatest agency and the greatest power to accomplish useful things. Those that have least utility also generally have the least agency. One frequent commentator here, Typhonblue, categorizes this distinction as agent / patient. Men are expected to be agents, doing useful things. Women are treated as patients, to be taken care of. …
/r/MensRights10/01/14 04:23 PM
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TLDR. Feminist intersectionality theory describes masculinity as a privilege adder - being male is always positive regardless of other disadvantages. But the data suggest otherwise. On many measures of social well being, black men in the US are at the bottom. Masculinity is more like a multiplier: if you are privileged being male makes you more privileged; if you are disadvantaged, being male makes you more disadvantaged. Men are the majority at both the top and bottom of the social hierarchy.
/r/MensRights10/01/14 01:53 PM
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Don't try to help people who don't want your help.
/r/MensRights10/01/14 01:45 PM
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I believe men and women are disadvantaged in different but equal ways. Conversely, men and women are privileged in different ways. Men have historically been privileged to power. Women have been, and still are, privileged to care. Women demand and get preferential protection, provision, and care from society. That's why society doesn't give a damn about men's issues. Women monopolize the care, just as men used to monopolize the power. No one cares about men, and many feminists are working to kee…
/r/MensRights09/01/14 10:52 PM
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This is a good counterpoint to all those feminists who claim that "feminism is about equality". No, that's just the start. The core belief of feminism is "Women have it worse". In other words, the only acceptable answer to "Who do you think is more disadvantaged by gender inequality?" is women. Look at her examples: body hair, wolf whistles, and workplace obstacles. So much more serious than male issues such as suicide, poor health care, and workplace deaths.
/r/MensRights09/01/14 09:02 PM
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Exactly. It shows that the belief that "women have it worse" is an essential part of feminism.
/r/MensRights09/01/14 08:40 PM
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It's what feminists say when they are losing the argument.
/r/MensRights09/01/14 08:24 PM
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"a real man would be a gentleman and offer his seat to a lady" A more succinct retort: "a real woman doesn't demand special favors from men"
/r/MensRights09/01/14 03:29 PM
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But in part, both sides are also wrong, because on most measures boys—at least the middle class white boys everyone seems concerned about—are doing just fine, taking their places in an unequal society to which they have always felt entitled. This is incorrect - the gender gap in education is evident in all income levels. Unemployment among young men is higher than young women, even among the college educated. And let's not forget that 81% percent of the suicides in the 10-24 year range are boys.…
/r/MensRights09/01/14 03:21 PM
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It is definitely relevant here. She is trying to coerce him into having unprotected sex and possibly fathering a child that he will be financially responsible for. Feminists would call that rape it the genders were reversed.
/r/MensRights08/01/14 09:22 PM
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"We are women and it is our right to be beautiful" The vacuous narcissism of body-obsessed women.
/r/MensRights08/01/14 09:19 PM
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Here's an interesting link I found about men's rights in Norway: Norway sets up panel on men's rights Norway has set up a Men’s Panel to look at men’s rights and encourage public debate. The Minister of Children and Equality Karita Bekkemellem has announced a panel of 32 members including politicians, artist, athletes, private and voluntary sector leaders and others from public life – all men. Bekkemellem told Norwegian news outlet Aftenposten:’This is to put focus on men's lack of rights. It is…
/r/MensRights07/01/14 05:36 PM
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Inequalities suffered by men don't count. MRA equality: F = M Feminist equality: F >= M
/r/MensRights07/01/14 05:17 PM
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Women are getting paid less not just because of individual gender bias. Jobs dominated by women tend to lose status and pay simply because women do them, and wages fall as more women enter an occupation. Another feminist who doesn't understand supply and demand. As more and more women flood into the labor market looking for lifestyle-friendly jobs, the supply of labor for those jobs increases and the price paid for the labor goes down. The wages of most men have also been falling for decades as …
/r/MensRights07/01/14 05:14 PM
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Recruiter ratings of applicants’ Facebook information were unrelated to supervisor ratings of job performance (rs = −.13 to –.04), turnover intentions (rs = −.05 to .00), and actual turnover (rs = −.01 to .01) More evidence that HR recruiters provide absolutely no value add to the company. Every job I've ever had involved circumventing HR and getting directly in touch with the hiring manager. Furthermore, there was evidence of subgroup difference in Facebook ratings that tended to favor female a…
/r/MensRights06/01/14 04:44 PM
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I've looked for the source of that 80% figure in the past and never found a reputable source. Like many feminist "facts", it appears to have been invented. I did notice another element of deception in some other figures related to female purchasing power. The "female dollars" included both purchases made unilaterally by women and joint purchases made with a spouse. This total could be accurately described as purchases influenced by women, but it inevitably gets turned into purchases made by wome…
/r/MensRights06/01/14 04:34 PM
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“There is a general problem with diversity at the highest echelon of Apple,” said Jonas Kron, director of shareholder advocacy at Boston-based Trillium, which manages $1.3 billion. “It’s all white men.” That's evidence against the putative benefits of diversity. Apple has become the most influential and profitable tech company while run by a bunch of white guys. Feminists make the claim that the most successful companies have more diverse leadership, but the causal relationship is inverse of wha…
/r/MensRights06/01/14 04:27 PM
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Now I know where those SRS idiots come from. Also Manboobzers, Jezebelers, SPLCers. Brainwashed and brain damaged at an impressionable age.
/r/MensRights06/01/14 01:32 PM
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Just like every male is a sexist.
/r/MensRights06/01/14 01:28 PM
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Too bad they aren't as sensitive about "small penis shaming" or "living in Mom's basement shaming".
/r/MensRights05/01/14 10:27 PM
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I'm just quoting the study, man. "Benevolent sexism" is feminist double-speak for "female privilege". Treating women better than men is a fiendishly clever means of patriarchal oppression in their view.
/r/MensRights05/01/14 10:24 PM
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I have a lot of bookmarks on "Economics and Gender", not feminism specifically. But since feminism is the dominant narrative in all things related to gender, many of these links might be relevant. The Economix section in the New York Times has a lot of posts involving feminism and economics. Here are some examples: http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/05/new-marriages-or-no-marriages/?_r=0 http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/08/office-advancement-vs-home-duties/#more-165522 http://eco…
/r/MensRights05/01/14 03:18 PM
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This is probably /r/relationships material, not /r/mensrights. And also, I share the suspicion you are trolling. But assuming you're for real, here is what I would do. Chances are this is just a run of the mill sticky love triangle. After reading about the worst case scenario below and protecting yourself, you should talk it out with her to find out just where you stand. These situations are not uncommon. Ask her what she wants in a relationship with you. Be honest about your feelings for her. B…
/r/MensRights05/01/14 02:53 PM
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I don't care about whether someone calls themselves a feminist or not. I care about what they do and say. I have three questions that separate the bad feminists from people who actually believe in equality: 1) Do you agree that men are disadvantaged as men in some areas of society? 2) Do you agree that men can be the victims of sexism? 3) If you agree with 1) and 2), do you support men who organize to to address the disadvantages and sexism they face? A so-called feminist who answers affirmative…
/r/MensRights05/01/14 02:20 PM
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Alternatively, we could treat men as well as women. But that would be taken as misogyny too.
/r/MensRights04/01/14 05:26 PM
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Has anyone seen the figures for spending on women's vs men's health in the US?
/r/MensRights04/01/14 03:09 AM
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You still don't understand. Benevolent sexism is called benevolent because it has components that are positive when taken in isolation, i.e. - being protected, provided for, adored, cherished, viewed as purer, morally superior, etc. And all these positive things can also be considered privileges - once again when taken in isolation. Hell, who wouldn't want those things if they didn't come at a cost? But according to the theory of ambivalent sexism, these apparently good things do come at a cost.…
/r/MensRights03/01/14 06:11 PM
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I see a saturation in the percentage of women in the work force. I presume that's because some percentage of mothers prefer to stay home with their children. I saw a Pew study a while back that reported only about 25% of mothers would choose to work full time if they could afford not to.
/r/MensRights03/01/14 05:30 PM
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This is not about paygap. The vertical axis is in millions of employees, not dollars. It's just counting the size of the work force.
/r/MensRights03/01/14 05:27 PM
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I will second CosmicKeys: men are more employed in economically cyclical jobs like construction, transportation, and manufacturing. All of these industries lay off more people during recessions, so men get hit harder.
/r/MensRights03/01/14 05:26 PM
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The commenters on Raw Story are an incredibly hateful and close minded bunch. One of the worst I've seen anywhere, as bad as the worst reactionary right-wing sites. I don't even want to contaminate my disqus account by commenting there. Unfortunately, that is what the progressive movement has come to - hatred and intolerance. The only difference is who they hate.
/r/MensRights03/01/14 05:17 PM
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all cisgendered heterosexual male sexuality is tantamount to rape Everything else is just fine.
/r/MensRights03/01/14 04:29 PM
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Yeah, but figuring out which ones are cool is a bit like playing "Minesweeper".
/r/MensRights03/01/14 04:26 PM
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Everything I've been saying is a direct application of the feminist theory of ambivalent sexism, and I've given at least three references above to feminist research articles on ambivalent sexism to support my argument. Your response indicates you either are unfamiliar with the theory or just don't understand it. Perhaps the wiki article I just linked to will make it clearer. Here's an excerpt which address your objection: While benevolent sexism may not appear to be harmful to women on the surfa…
/r/MensRights03/01/14 01:36 PM
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Right. Let me spell it out for you: Angel of the House: "a moral, yielding, domestic paragon" Benevolent Sexism: "weak, pure creatures who deserve men’s protection and adoration" The Angel of the House is benevolent sexism.
/r/MensRights02/01/14 10:10 PM
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Yes, I am. Feminists concern themselves almost exclusively with the privileges of power. That's the type of privilege you are also focusing on when you say "who represents god they are subservient to". But there are other types of privileges, including the privilege of care. The Victorian woman in all her idealized purity, goodness, and submissiveness was considered most deserving of protection and care. Yes, this was "notoriously sexist", but that's how ambivalent sexism works - the "hostile se…
/r/MensRights02/01/14 09:07 PM
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I'm referring to the "separate spheres" ideology in the England and U.S. during the Victorian era. 'The man's power is active, progressive, defensive. He is eminently the doer, the creator, the discoverer, the defender. His intellect is for speculation, and invention; his energy for adventure, for war, and for conquest... But the woman's power is for rule, not for battle - and her intellect is not for invention or creation, but for sweet ordering, arrangement, and decision... She must be endurin…
/r/MensRights02/01/14 08:24 PM
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lot more critical analysis than attempting to project my biased assumptions onto the author when reading. For example, you seem very fixated on the idea of "facts," and by extension, "truth." So one of the questions I'm asking myself is, what does truth mean to you in this context? And more importantly, what power do you perceive the truth to give you? Interesting question. I think that facts and truth give me some power to make holes in the wall of protective female privilege that people like y…
/r/MensRights02/01/14 12:38 PM
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OK. Thanks for pointing "NP links" out to me.
/r/MensRights02/01/14 12:13 PM
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I would put it differently - it's not misogyny if it's true. Misogyny involves a falsely negative portrayal of women. But both men and women have negative characteristics. It's not misogyny to accurately describe negative characteristics of women, just as its not misandry to describe negative characteristics of men. And being accurate includes being careful with the scope of a statement. "Some women are cruel" is accurate. "All women are cruel" is not.
/r/MensRights02/01/14 02:34 AM
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However, remember, the meaning of words not only comes from what you say, but how you say it and why. Sure. And statements like this one can be interpreted overly broadly. For instance, I might object to "men can rape with impunity" because it sounds like "all men rape with impunity", even though that's not what it says. But consider this. When you hear or read a statement you think is misogynist, stop to think. Are you rejecting the statement just because you don't like it when women are critic…
/r/MensRights02/01/14 02:29 AM
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You are missing the point. A woman is more likely to get away with cruelty than a man would be in the same situation. There is quite a large body of sociological research that demonstrates that both women and men are more lenient to female transgressors than male transgressors. There is another large body of research that shows female criminals are treated much more leniently by the criminal system. This isn't a statement that women are more cruel than men, or that they are not to be trusted. It…
/r/MensRights02/01/14 02:02 AM
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My response to "misogyny" is "so what"? It's been so overused as a term of general denigration towards anyone who doesn't toe the feminist line that it's lost any meaning.
/r/MensRights02/01/14 01:50 AM
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It's not misogynistic because it's true. But go ahead. Explain why you think it's misogynistic. Edit: Perhaps it needs a qualifier: "Recognizing how cruel some women can be without any social consequence".
/r/MensRights02/01/14 01:46 AM
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what social constructs would have someone conclude your behavior could be seen as misogynistic The relevant social construct is the notion that males are responsible for all the harm done in the world and that females are beyond reproach. When someone with that social construct - i.e. bigotry - has their false beliefs challenged, they respond with attacks such as "misogyny". That seems to be the case here. The OP's statement - "Recognizing how cruel women can be without any social consequence?" …
/r/MensRights02/01/14 01:17 AM
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I have found that I can change people's minds, and behavior. I'm not talking about hardcore feminists, but ordinary decent people who have absorbed feminist bigotry without ever thinking about it. Once you frame it in a way that the bigotry becomes obvious, they want to distance themselves from it. But to get them to that point I have to avoid making them defensive. Implying that they are bigots will do that immediately, as will engaging in an ideological battle. And there's no need to make some…
/r/MensRights01/01/14 09:17 PM
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Women who dress like this want to show their dominance over other women more often than not by turning the heads of "taken" mates. It also shows a type of dominance over men. "I have the power to make you notice me".
/r/MensRights01/01/14 08:58 PM
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Well, I've been around here on /mr under one alias or another since soon after it started. I've even had some of my more inflammatory comments featured on Manboobz. So I've done the angry MRA thing. I found it wasn't working for me, especially IRL. I've had more success with the low-key approach. But hey - do what works best for you. There's more than one way to skin that cat.
/r/MensRights01/01/14 06:05 AM
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Like you've said, you don't have to mention feminism. People will assume you are anti-feminist when you show a concern for men that isn't part of the Feminist narrative. You are better off explicitly articulating in what ways you differ from Feminism than to let their imaginations run wild with it. At least, that's what I've found. Right, I agree mostly with that. Sooner or later the differences with the feminist narrative have to be made clear. But I find it useful if I can catch my listener's …
/r/MensRights01/01/14 05:54 AM
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Why is she your friend? People like that deserve nothing from you.
/r/MensRights31/12/13 11:12 PM
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Not necessarily true. It isn't necessary to be anti-male to be a feminist - although many of them are. Therefore it isn't necessary to be anti-feminist to be pro-male.
/r/MensRights31/12/13 10:58 PM
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People I talk to run "anti-feminism" and "make all women look bad" together, not me. I know they are unrelated, but I find I have better results when I avoid both. Anti-feminism is the most effective promotional tool men's rights has. Anti-feminism is what brought me to men's rights originally. So it may be effective, and it may be necessary to counteract militant feminism. I just know that it's not how I want to work -especially when I'm doing it non-anonymously or IRL. I find that anti-feminis…
/r/MensRights31/12/13 09:42 PM
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My take is that there is at least a sizeable contingent of modern feminism that is implicitly misandrist, so it's perfectly reasonable to put it in the stocks and hurl some abuse at it once in a while. Yes, but if possible direct the abuse at the misandry and not the feminism, because that's really the problem.
/r/MensRights31/12/13 09:38 PM
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I don't want moral purity. I do want my efforts to be effective. And I've found that I have been much more effective convincing other people when I've focused on gaining sympathy for men's issues instead of focusing on anti-feminism. When I start with criticising feminism, the conversation turns defensive or hostile right away, and nothing is accomplished. When I start with eliciting sympathy for a problem suffered by men or boys without mentioning feminism and without trying to make all women l…
/r/MensRights31/12/13 08:23 PM
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I'm not seeing how what you just said has anything to do with what I said.
/r/MensRights31/12/13 08:13 PM
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Let's see: A woman with short-shorts and attractively shaved legs. A woman with a low-cut blouse that shows cleavage A woman with low rider pants and short top that show off her tramp-stamp tattoo. A conservatively attired woman wearing a lot of makeup In other words, four women who made a deliberate effort to present themselves in a sexual appealing manner, who are upset that men find them appealing enough to look at them. The goal of this type of provocation is to rigidly police male behavior,…
/r/MensRights31/12/13 06:51 PM
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I would be more like: "Who is that handsome man in the mirror? Indeed, it is I!" heh
/r/MensRights31/12/13 06:31 PM
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Here's some evidence to support the meme. A Cold War Fought by Women Now that researchers have been looking more closely, they say that this “intrasexual competition” is the most important factor explaining the pressures that young women feel to meet standards of sexual conduct and physical appearance. Conspicuous Consumption, Relationships, and Rivals: Women’s Luxury Products as Signals to Other Women "The fact that most women’s luxury products are aimed to impress other women helps explain why…
/r/MensRights31/12/13 06:27 PM
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I disagree. DV programs should not exclude one gender, because that perpetuates the myth that only men commit DV and only women suffer from it. The whole DV industry is built on that myth, and it does great harm to those male victims of abuse who find there are no services for them.
/r/MensRights31/12/13 06:05 PM
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Did you come here just because of whatever was written in that "definition" ? No, but the account that NeuroticIntrovert gave of how a man might come to men's rights is very similar to what I experienced. I too was first drawn to feminism when I became interested in gender issues, but was repulsed by the misandry, the general hostility to men's issues, and the demand that I sit in the back and shut up. I'm guessing it also describes a lot of other people's experience here to some extent, both me…
/r/MensRights31/12/13 05:58 PM
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I agree - the anti-feminism ultimately detracts from the message. We should be pro-men, not anti-feminist. As such, we should be against misandry, bigotry against men, and double standards that detriment men. We oppose people who do these things. We should oppose those feminists who do these things because of the harmful things they do, not because they are feminists per se.
/r/MensRights31/12/13 05:51 PM
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I am all for anti-DV legislation as long as it is strictly gender neutral in both letter and implementation. This is not what we have in the US with the "Violence Against Women Act", which is not gender neutral. And I agree, a law that privileges one gender over another will be abused.
/r/MensRights31/12/13 02:06 PM
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up til now dv was physical so mostly for men Not true. Hundreds of studies have shown that women commit physical violence in relationships as much as or more than men. Men are more likely to cause severe physical injury or death, however.
/r/MensRights31/12/13 02:01 PM
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First of all, the "first wave of feminism" started in the mid-1800's, and culminated with achieving the right to vote. The resurgence of feminism 50 years ago was the second wave. The Great Depression and the WWII era had temporarily driven feminism from public prominence. This is important because the second wave feminists had 100 years of precedent to draw on. And even the first wave feminists had their predecessors. For example: A Vindication of the Rights of Woman: with Strictures on Politic…
/r/MensRights31/12/13 01:48 PM
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Why does this matter? Every Woman Every Child provides a new opportunity to improve the health of hundreds of millions of women and children around the world, and in so doing, to improve the lives of all people. The health of women and children is critically important to almost every area of human development and progress, and directly impacts our success in achieving all of the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs), adopted by world leaders in 2000. - See more at: http://www.everywomaneverychild.…
/r/MensRights30/12/13 10:06 PM
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I am not so pessimistic. I think we are at peak feminism now and the tide is turning. Men's issues are starting to penetrate into the public consciousness. Ten years ago no-one ever heard of MRAs. Now they're everywhere. And feminists are back-pedaling, trying to co-opt men's issues and pretending they supported them all along. Feminists are their own worst enemy; most people don't like them. I think the MRM needs to present a calm, rational, and sympathetic public image, and let the feminists s…
/r/MensRights30/12/13 07:19 PM
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I disagree on several levels. First, banning any idea is the refuge of the weak and dishonest. That's why many of the feminist sites do it. Second, attacking all people of some vaguely defined group solely because they identify with that group will only make you look like a bigot. Third, creating an intolerant ideology to counteract another intolerant ideology isn't much progress. I have another suggestion for you: ignore the word "feminism". "Feminism" is a red herring - a distraction from the …
/r/MensRights30/12/13 06:58 PM
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First of all, the title of this post is misleading. This list of "11 girly things" was taken from a /r/AskReddit post: Guys of Reddit, what girly thing do you really want to do or try but it is socially unacceptable? So these aren't things that Huffpo wishes men would do - these are things that male redditors would like to do. FYI, here's the list: Have more stylish clothing options. Be able to talk about other men being attractive. Order "girly drinks." Get treated to a spa day. Carry a purse. …
/r/MensRights30/12/13 06:42 PM
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Before going any further, tell her you are interested in men's rights. Be prepared for massive hate and hostility. You will find out what she really thinks - about you and about men in general.
/r/MensRights30/12/13 02:47 AM
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feminism isn't just helping women, it's fighting the patriarchy to benefit all sexes and genders This is what feminism would do in an ideal world. It is very rarely what feminism actually does in this one. Where feminists go wrong is in this statement: "the patriarchy's ideology that being feminine is being inferior". This is only partially true. It is true in terms of social dominance and power - men are more often given respect and authority. However, it is not true in another very important a…
/r/MensRights29/12/13 09:23 PM
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Well, I agree with what she said, and the article too. Equality means no rigid gender roles for either men or women. It's those rigid male gender roles that make men exploitable and disposable.
/r/MensRights29/12/13 04:53 PM
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Dude. I understand the schadenfreude, but rejoicing in the suicide of a "piece of shit cunt" just makes /MensRights look bad. That's the type of comment that those who try to slander men's rights as a hate movement like to exploit.
/r/MensRights26/12/13 06:31 PM
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No it's not. That just proves that sex occurred. It does not show whether the sex was consensual or not.
/r/MensRights26/12/13 01:57 PM
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It's impossible to tell. Most rapes or false rape accusations involve events that are only known to the two people involved. Without some collaborating evidence it is impossible to tell what exactly happened. Only a small percentage of actual rapes can be proven in court. Only a small percentage of false rape accusations can be proven as well. Therefore, both rape and false rape accusation are crimes that are easy to get away with.
/r/MensRights25/12/13 04:15 PM
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Are all those accusations from the same woman or from different women?
/r/MensRights25/12/13 04:09 PM
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Because they are not white european christian male patriarchal oppressors, that's why. Being brown middle-eastern muslims cancels out being patriarchal oppressors. It's called "kyriarchy" - the term for the official scoring rules in the Oppression Olympics.
/r/MensRights25/12/13 04:06 PM
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It's amusing how leftist feminists give muslim misogynists a pass.
/r/MensRights25/12/13 01:21 AM
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I just read the article you linked, and here's exactly why feminism is not the place for advocating for men's issues: So, is there room for men in the feminist movement? I believe so. I would say that the rules men should go by is that often, you will need to take a back seat. Fuck no, we're not taking a back seat. We have injustices to fight. Injustices that primarily affect men, not women. As for the feminists, they can do as they please as long as they don't support those injustices.
/r/MensRights23/12/13 06:45 PM
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Yes, men's rights supports equal rights for both men and women. This is unlike many branches of feminism, which insist men cannot be disadvantaged as men and that sexism against men is impossible. It is also common for feminists to define equality as women doing equally or better than men, as exemplified by the World Economic Forum Gender Gap Report, which assigns a perfect score of 1 to any metric where women equal or exceed men. This is ironic, because feminists claim that they lack institutio…
/r/MensRights23/12/13 06:18 PM
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What do you think about the "vulnerability stuff"? It can work but only if you're not faking it - you have to be true to yourself. It seems like you really want it to work out with this guy, so be honest with that feeling. I've got a book to recommend to you - The Love Affairs of Nathaniel P. It's one of the best books about relationships and THE best writing from a male sexual and romantic perspective by a woman that I've read. Much of the story revolves around the main character Nate P. and hi…
/r/MensRights23/12/13 12:47 AM
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I agree - the preference for male guitarists is very strong. Its accepted for singer-songwriter chicks to strum their acoustic guitar as they sing, but not much else. It's amazing how many female solo artists are backed by all-male bands, especially considering middle and high school music programs are dominated by girls. Even there the boys segregate themselves - at a recent high school concert I attended, the choral groups and symphony band were majority female, but the varsity jazz band was 1…
/r/MensRights22/12/13 08:26 PM
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Welcome! First of all, I support equal rights and self-determination for women and men (as does nearly everyone here), and support the rights of both women and men to make their career / life decisions as they see fit. I think that all sorts of relationships with all sorts of division of labor can flourish, from equal career earners to male earner and housewife or female earner and househusband. That said, I think people have certain intrinsic behavioral tendencies that are not entirely under ra…
/r/MensRights22/12/13 03:21 PM
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The rape reporting form that allowed anonymous accusations to be placed against a named person was an extremely poor idea because it was an open invitation for abuse. Those who spammed it simply made its potential for abuse obvious to all. If you are worried about the effect on potential <i>actual</i> rape claimants, then you should find fault with the administration of Occidental College who set up this idiotic and incompetent reporting system. There should be a reporting system that is both ef…
/r/MensRights20/12/13 02:58 PM
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Get a statement from your female coworkers to support you.
/r/MensRights20/12/13 12:31 PM
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First - do not say anything to a feminist that is not strictly necessary and work related, ever. Every thing you say will be twisted to use against you. Second - you have to be as hypersensitive as she is. Many feminists say a lot of hateful, bigoted things, because they think they can get away with it. Make a note of anything she says. Get witnesses. Use a recording device if it's legal where you live. If you live in a one party consent state, you can record without giving notice to the other p…
/r/MensRights20/12/13 12:25 PM
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Many of my trans men friends have trouble with navigating cultural masculinity and avoiding violence, especially after years of being allowed to express themselves fully, but all of them who I've asked have agreed they are taken more seriously by the general public than before transition. Do you find that being taken seriously outweighs the emotional constraints, the strict gender role policing, and threat of violence that comes with being a man? Could it also be that being a nerd, this sense of…
/r/MensRights19/12/13 05:16 PM
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Thank for the long and interesting post. It gives me a lot to think about. Were the activities that you were taken seriously before transitioning stereotypical male activities, such STEM, sci-fi, car mechanics or sports trivia? I read a similar post from a trans-man who found that post transition, people (and especially women) started turning to him to solve computer problems and lift boxes. While the testosterone gave him more strength for lifting the boxes, it didn't magically impart a compete…
/r/MensRights19/12/13 05:03 PM
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Does western society acknowledge this when determining hiring quotas and academic admissions? No, it doesn't, and it shouldn't. There should be no quotas for either sex. The place this causes problems is in the mating market. Many women have the "eat cake and have it" problem of wanting academic and career success, but also want to marry a man who is even more successful and who is willing to be the provider. With many more women graduating college, strong affirmative action diversity programs f…
/r/MensRights16/12/13 04:35 PM
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The Middle. Neil Flynn's character (Mike Heck, the father) is a no-nonsense straight shooting kind of guy. He is very rarely portrayed in derogatory or humiliating way, which is rare for a sitcom, and he isn't bossed around or dominated by his wife, which is even more rare.
/r/MensRights14/12/13 10:10 PM
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I’m swayed by the constructive theories that would build onto formal logic through a feminist lens. There exist logics that handle contradiction as part of the system, namely paraconsistent logic. I think this type of logic represents the feminist idea that something can be and not be without being a contradiction, that is a system where the following statement is not explosive: (p && ¬p) == 1. Like women are strong AND women are always the victim. But I think the most important contribution of …
/r/MensRights12/12/13 01:40 PM
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I found an close gender reversal. 35 year old man and 13 year old girl in NZ, he made her smoke pot first then raped her. His sentence? Six years and nine months imprisonment. 180% of the sentence received by the female perp. This is a typical gender sentencing disparity. There are actually two sentencing disparities combined here: a male criminal receives a longer sentence than a female criminal, and a female victim also results in a longer sentence, independent of the sex of the perpetrator. J…
/r/MensRights11/12/13 01:25 PM
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"Rape" as it is legally defined in New Zealand requires a penis: Article 128[18] is entitled Sexual violation defined. Article 128 (1) states that Sexual violation is the act of a person who rapes another person or has unlawful sexual connection with another person. Article 128 (2) defines rape as follows: Person A rapes person B if person A has sexual connection with person B, effected by the penetration of person B's genitalia by person A's penis, (a) without person B's consent to the connecti…
/r/MensRights11/12/13 01:13 PM
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What is wrong with you? In civilized countries, people don't seek to inflict vigilante punishment on criminals. What I'm willing to defend isn't the perpetrator, it's the rule of law.
/r/MensRights10/12/13 03:25 AM
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I don't know if it was really slander or not. There will surely be appeals. But this jury found Richie guilty of defamation, so for the present he stands convicted. And you are right that there are issues concerning the liability of those who report the opinions of others. But that wasn't my point. My point was that one crime (a sex crime) does not justify another crime (defamation).
/r/MensRights09/12/13 07:14 PM
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Why should that be said? Because we have laws in this country. Laws that prevent retaliation and mob justice.
/r/MensRights09/12/13 07:08 PM
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Try to keep the facts separate. There are two separate issues: Sarah Jones was convicted for a sex crime. Nik Richie was found guilty of defaming Sarah Jones. Jones committed a sex crime. Richie slandered Jones. Those are two different crimes. Neither one of them excuses the other. True, everyone is entitled to their opinion. They are not, however, entitled to spread malicious lies. There are laws against that. According to the jury in this case, Richie violated those laws. And no, she did not m…
/r/MensRights09/12/13 07:07 PM
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Regardless of her guilt in the molestation case, she still has a right to be free from defamation just like everyone else. The fact someone is convicted of a crime doesn't mean everyone is free to slander them.
/r/MensRights09/12/13 03:26 PM
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I'm a leftist and I support mensrights because the movement in general supports science and uses logic to support its arguments instead of dogmatic unproven bullshit that contradicts scientific research. I'm not challenging your political orientation, but since when has leftism been associated with science and logic? The early thinkers of leftism, such as Marx & Engels, promoted a utopian socialism. The New Left is also utopian in its promotion of unfettered individual autonomy and blank-slate i…
/r/MensRights06/12/13 05:02 PM
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Feminism is the dominant narrative in everything related to gender, and feminist have considerable institutional power. Feminists know that they have the support of the media, government, and educational institutions. This emboldens them to treat their opponents with contempt and even violence. Add to that the long standing privilege granted by "patriarchal" society to women to express violent emotions towards men, and you have a toxic mixture: privilege, entitlement, and power.
/r/MensRights04/12/13 09:13 PM
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True, but this wasn't reported in the English speaking mainstream media as far as I could tell (I looked for a more neutral source). No surprise there. But this article does contain links to the original Argentinian news reports. Google will translate for you.
/r/MensRights04/12/13 08:44 PM
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The police reportedly told the media they were unable to intervene because “they are women." Because female privilege.
/r/MensRights03/12/13 11:51 PM
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Not emasculated So conditioned to being told they’re wrong, they’ve developed gender issue laryngitis Having to ask for permission for all and any man time or activities Using covert trade-offs to get man time permission from women They must have a different definition for "emasculated" in Australia. Perhaps they mean that these men haven't actually had their testicles surgically removed - yet?
/r/MensRights20/11/13 04:23 PM
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"We were surprised by the results," professor Gunilla Krantz, who led the research, said in a statement. That's academic incompetence, given that: there are 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The world's largest domestic violence research data base, 2,657 pages, with summaries of 1,700 peer-reviewed st…
/r/MensRights18/11/13 04:42 PM
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That's because the full scope of their agenda isn't widely known. And they aren't shooting anyone - yet.
/r/MensRights18/11/13 04:33 PM
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Read the whole thing here: A EUROPEAN FRAMEWORK NATIONAL STATUTE FOR THE PROMOTION OF TOLERANCE It starts out sounding so reasonable and fair to everyone, but as you go along you see that it is designed to privilege some groups over others: (i) Members of vulnerable and disadvantaged groups are entitled to a special protection, additional to the general protection that has to be provided by the Government to every person within the State. (ii) The special protection afforded to members of vulner…
/r/MensRights18/11/13 04:23 PM
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Point taken. Actually both Stalin and Mao were responsible for greater oppressions and massacres than Hitler, but they don't have the same street cred.
/r/MensRights18/11/13 03:09 PM
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LOL. But it's actually much scarier than that. The SRS is just the idiot fringe of something much larger and powerful - a contingent of the political elite committed to a left-totalitarian ideology. These people aren't anonymous trolls on reddit - they are immensely powerful individuals who are openly proposing the elimination of freedom of expression in Europe.
/r/MensRights18/11/13 03:01 PM
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When one takes an ideology of power to its extreme, whether right or left, one creates totalitarianism. This is what leftist totalitarianism looks like: “There is no need to be tolerant to the intolerant,” it states, especially “as far as freedom of expression is concerned.” Only ideas approved by the state will be tolerated - all others will labeled "intolerance" and punished and suppressed. establish national surveillance units to monitor citizens of all 27 EU member states suspected of “intol…
/r/MensRights18/11/13 02:44 PM
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HR is good for taking care of employee benefits, and that's about it. They shouldn't be involved in hiring or firing decisions.
/r/MensRights13/11/13 07:24 PM
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Same here. But I got most of my jobs getting my resume around HR and into the hands of the technical managers - through a friend, relative, or by meeting the manager at a job fair or a tech conference. HR is a black hole as far as resumes go.
/r/MensRights13/11/13 07:22 PM
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Women's rights has been a predominant issue in politics, media, and education for the last 50 years. There are whole departments in most colleges and universities devoted to women's studies (and almost none for men). There over 40 departments in the US Government devoted to women's issues (and none for men). Men's rights has been an underground movement that has been denigrated and insulted by the mainstream culture, if it is even mentioned at all. Given that background, I would say that having …
/r/MensRights08/11/13 02:23 PM
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I think your criticisms are valid in the general context of men's rights in general, but not necessarily for reddit. Reddit is not a good vehicle for action, but it is a good vehicle for airing grievances. And airing grievances is the first step to activism - men first have to understand that what they've suffered is wrong and it's not their fault before they can take actions against those who've wronged them. In the early days of 2nd wave feminism, "consciousness raising" workshops were all the…
/r/MensRights07/11/13 03:47 PM
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That's the exact same rhetoric that many feminists like this one use to shut down opinions that they don't agree with. I don't think there should be some metric for victimhood that you need to meet to discuss men's rights.
/r/MensRights07/11/13 03:39 PM
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Exactly. Whoever is downvoting you should read Captain Capitalism who makes this point at length. The notion that a committed bachelor can work much less and enjoy life more is definitely an idea that some portion of men advocate. I'm a middle aged man supporting kids and a housewife. I like the choices I've made but I definitely have to work much harder as a result. I've made a lot of money and would be retired by now if I were single, pursuing pleasure and leisure. Instead I'll be working my a…
/r/MensRights04/11/13 02:43 PM
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marriage didn't increase the performance desire in athletics But did it change other behavior of athletes? For example, perhaps married male athletes are willing to change teams for higher pay, and forgo some other advantage such as staying on a team that they're comfortable with, or in a city they like, or on a team with a better chance of winning a championship. Another possibility is that married athletes may be more motivated during contract bargaining. Those are just speculations - I know n…
/r/MensRights04/11/13 02:35 PM
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Comparing averages means little. But I would guess that the few female electricians are in high demand to meet gender quotas diversity guidelines.
/r/MensRights02/11/13 04:34 AM
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The primary reason for divorce is women who are bored with the relationship, not men who trade their wives in for a new model. Women initiate divorce at twice the rate men do. Think it's just because men are jerks? Think again. Lesbians initiate divorce at twice the rate gay men do. The primary cause of divorce is women, not men.
/r/MensRights01/11/13 10:22 AM
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Violent crime of all sorts has fallen all over the developed world during this period, seemingly independent of political ideology or public policy. There are a lot of theories but no one really knows why. The decline in DV is just one piece of that much larger trend.
/r/MensRights29/10/13 01:56 PM
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One can't claim that HealthCare.gov is a mess because most of the administrators overseeing it were women. But it is an example of massive failures in communication and coordination despite the alleged superiority of women in those skills, and evidence against claims that women would do things better than men if only they had the chance.
/r/MensRights29/10/13 01:48 PM
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