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as a lot of women will just perceive it as an inherent attack on their faithfullness, Tough shit. If they got nothing to hide then there shouldn't be any hesitation to gey a test.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 03:31 PM
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Tell that to planejane or jammerly who seems to keep insisting that it's because of the "muh patriarchy!"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 08:31 PM
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just look at some of these responses, many people don't even recognize the name or face of Michelle Williams. Mark Wahlberg on the other has that name and face recognition that attracts an audience and make big box office numbers. This is not the case for Michelle Williams hence why sje doesn't get paid as much. Look, it's really not that hard to figure out. I know you're trying really hard to make it a gender/"patriarchy" issue but that's just not what it is. Other female celebs like Scarlett J…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 08:27 PM
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Lol exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 11:25 AM
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Mark attracts an audience, at the end of the day studios are concerned about making money and Mark does that for them. That's basically where these A-list actors get that bargaining power from. A lesser known actor is going to have a harder time negotiating big paychecks
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 08:01 AM
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If she was so great, then why isn't she getting those million dollar paychecks?? She sucks and you know it :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 07:33 AM
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Michelle Williams, Oscar winning actress, received $85 for reshoots that her co-star Mark Wahlberg got millions for. Because Mark is an A-list actor who's been in the game for a while and can successfully leverage that kind of payment. Michelle Williams is not so she gets paid accordingly. That's the problem with all the "pay gap" bitching - they fail to take into account that an actress like Williams is nowhere near the league of Wahlberg hence the difference in pay. So when Michelle Williams g…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 04:45 AM
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How does any of that refute the fact that there is blatant hypocrisy? Women are free and encouraged to shit on men all day in every form possible. A business owner wants to cater to males and feminists lose their shit. Are you disagreeing with that? You think there isn't a double standard and this is all A-okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 09:33 PM
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They're simply pointing out that women bitch about petty shit too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 05:40 PM
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We're already there. We're already way past that point. Not collectively. Most men are still pussy whipped betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 03:10 PM
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If this is true, then why would so many women rather fuck a mildly above average-looking celebrity over a hot nobody? See Leonardo DiCaprio and the women he dates. Because being with a celebrity is attractive in itself, it still doesn't negate the fact that the physically hot guy is physically hot l.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 09:13 PM
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Yes, harems are men's ultimate desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 09:10 PM
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You're muscular? So you're in shape? That's all women really need to do to be attractive - be fit, clean, smile and be outgoing- you'll find guys in no time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 07:32 PM
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I suppose not if you're agreeing to it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 04:03 AM
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Okay, can you please lay out what's 'masculine' to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 04:02 AM
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Men want looks, looks are 100%. See, this is a stereotype thrown at men, people forget that men don't have natural abundance, so men tend to get clingy more to even the most unattractive woman who gives them the time of day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 04:02 AM
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The WaW effect and men are practically at your feet
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 03:58 AM
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Yes. If you build an empire (buisness or literal) and don't share it with me, it benefits me exactly none. Why do you feel entitled to the fruits of that empire?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 02:44 AM
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Cool, and how does this refute any of my points?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 02:34 AM
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Women don't consider unattractive betas 'masculine'.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 02:18 AM
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because you realize you are literally vagina #4739274o32891 How do you suppose women come to feel this way? Being pumled and dumped by good looking chads? Because that's ofteb how the situation plays out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 02:17 AM
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You really don't think it's an honest question? It all roots back to sexual strategy among men hence the birth of things like TRP, purple pill, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 02:13 AM
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Explain then why guys encounter frustration when they get rejected by landwhales?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 02:10 AM
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Bull. Raw physical attraction is raw physical attraction. "Other components" is just more bullshit hamstering.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 02:09 AM
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Sorry, but thus just sounrs like bullshit hamstering. For most women, looks don't matter as much as they do to most men (looks still matter to women tho) Are you saying women aren't as visual as men? Because i believe they are. This in no way contradicts that 99.9999% of all humans want the attractive, high quality mate (vs the less attractive, lower quality mate). Well no shit. How in that in any way adds to the discussion that the mainstream lies about it? What about the WaW effect?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 02:07 AM
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You realize that doesn't make a whole lot of sense? They almost go hand in hand. A guy with subpar looks will not even blip on a woman's radar.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 02:02 AM
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At least try and explain why instead of just being short. Thia is a debate forun after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 01:57 AM
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Bullshit. We hear it all the time from the mainstream "looks don't matter as much to women as it does men'"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 01:03 AM
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That's my bad then, but now that I have you here im making it clear that while im asking your perosnal input on it, I'm also asking you tk look at it from an objective/collective standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 11:24 PM
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Reading through these responses thus far, it's clear i should have maybe used better wording in my post. That's on me. That being said, when i said 'empires' i didn't just mean actual Roman/Mongol type empires with fighting armies and physical borders, but also company empires like Apple or Microsoft.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 11:20 PM
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Well...can you try and think rationally/logically instead of feelz? Even if you don't personally feel this way, can you at least see how other women (or women collectively) might feel that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 11:14 PM
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Explain, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 11:11 PM
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Ouch, totally missed that. Thanks for pointing it out. I shall edit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 11:09 PM
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I am honestly unaware of what other post you made in some other thread. I literally came up with this post on the fly. Just throwing it out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 11:03 PM
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??
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 11:01 PM
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'extreme' as in killing/harming others. There are hundreds of startup companies popping up every week, none of them make the news. Someone shooting up a school or plowing into a crowd of people with a van does make news though. Even though you don't hear about the guys trying to start an empire, you can bet that attracting more pussy is a pretty good motivator behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 11:00 PM
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Perhaps not for all women, but try and think objectively and outside the box for a moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:57 PM
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How so? Seriously, how?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:56 PM
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men want validation too it makes them feel special when you choose some one while you have so many options Just to be clear, a major reason why men compete amongst themselves is due to a lack of available options rather than an abundance of options. Women are the ones who have natural abundance mentality, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:51 PM
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I do not think anybody has ever built an empire, started a war, killed or become a movie star for me Idk your personal life, try and think about the question from a collective standpoint instead of your personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:48 PM
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If you're a woman, you'll have guys wanting yoi. Not just for a causal fuck either, you'll have guys wanting to LTR you. You just don't notice those guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:44 PM
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Let's talk collectively instead of just you personally. I don't know yoir personal life, but im willing to bet there have been men amongst your circle who've talked about you/competed for you without you being explicitly aware of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:41 PM
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Is it really "extremes" though? Yes, killing is extreme. But starting empires and aspiring to become powerful? I truly believe pussy is a motivator behind those. You disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:39 PM
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To save face? Not appear shallow? The women are wonderful effect is very real and women directly benefit from it. Many women are consciously aware of this and manipulate to their advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:37 PM
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Lol. Okay, sure. Edit: I went ahead and removed the 'jab' at jamerly. Even though im doing is calling out trollish accouts. Don't see what the big deal is. But there you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:31 PM
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Cool, im just pointing out women enjoy this luxury far more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:30 PM
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Can you blame us for why we think you're lying? When we see women say one thing but do something completely different. Actions always speak louder than words.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:29 PM
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For you personally? You just haven't encountered the right men yet. Collectively? You bet your ass men do these things for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:27 PM
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To answer your question, yeah it feels great to be the object of desire of an attractive, high quality man. It feels exciting and powerful. But it only takes you so far - what a woman really wants is his love. Turning him on is kinda pointless if he then wants nothing to do with you after sex. Why can't women just be more honest about how they sort guys between chads and non chads?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:26 PM
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You're taking it to an extreme, yeah some men will go overboard and kill a woman for rejecting them, but c'mon, don't sit there and pretend that this is the majority of cases. I'd argue that the majority of cases involve men being too timid to even look you in the eye and ask you out. People like you bitch about 'toxic masculinity' or whatever, but really it's a lack of masculinity among today's young men that's causing so many issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:24 PM
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But it's hot tho, right? Makes you feel so good being desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:19 PM
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Well, im talking more in a societal sense rather than your experience searching for apartments.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 10:16 PM
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Been busy with work so im just now seeing this reply, but if you don't mind continuing the conversation...seriously? You're really advocating for men to be more emotional? Sorry bit the cons outweigh the pro's here. Something tells me you are the one who doesn't get how women think. It sounds like you give them way too much the benefit of the doubt..ask any guy who became emotional how it turned out for him, more often than not the woman gets turned off by it. That's not my fault. People like me…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 09:34 PM
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Being emotionally repressed doesn't make you masculine either. For the record, RP doesnt advocate for 'repressing emotions' rather that men must handle those emotions in different ways that don't involve women or a least a woman you're fucking/trying to fuck. Women don't want to hear men be emotional, stoicism and masculinity go hand in hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 11:29 PM
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Lol yeah right, whay a lame excuse. You're grabbing at straws here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 09:54 PM
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We're talking about masculinity traits that have been deemd "toxic" by the culture, specifically things like aggression, prone to confrontation, displaying social 'dominance',etc. Not just 'repressing emotions' or being stoic. Stoicism is a good thing, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 09:52 PM
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You sound like a feminine man, practically a woman in terms of emotions. Of course RP ideas wouldn't mix with you. Men such as yourself are a minority compared to most men. And the women you claim to sleep with are themselves a minority among women, you found yourself a niche and that's cool, but just understand your experience doesn't align with that of most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 09:48 PM
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??what? That makes no sense. If you're responding positively then there's a good chance you also want to sleep with that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 05:39 AM
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I can only guess, but i suspect it's easily more than half of women out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 12:57 PM
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What exactly is an 'attractive personality' to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 12:56 PM
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If that were true, the sensitive, sexy artist wouldn't be a cultural cliche of what women are attracted to. Honeslty, how often is this the case? Not very often. Yes the sensitive artist is a cultural cliche but it's not like it's the dominant form if masculinity that women are attracted to. For the most part, meathead jocks and tattooed convicts gets women dripping over the sensitive artist any day. we're not fucking guys to reward them. Rewarding them is the exact last thing on our mines. Mayb…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 12:46 PM
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It tells me that women are more visual than they care to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 11:46 AM
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Ironically, TRP is a very real example of toxic masculinity - they tell guys that there is only one way to be man, to shove their emotions down and be stoic, etc. I don't care how naturally masculine you are, at some point you need to vent your feelings Women respond positively to those traits though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 11:37 AM
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I'm not saying it's the 'wrong' personality, just that there are double standards depending on how attractive the dude is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 11:35 AM
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Welcome to modern society. What's your proposed solution?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 01:05 AM
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A Chaddy looking guy can act like a socially inept freak and become unfuckable. How do you explain the online/Tinder experiments where the profile features a model looking guy who says outrageous things and makes it clear in his profile that he's spergy and awkward but still gets responses from women wanting to fuck him?? Please explain that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 01:04 AM
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I think there is unfortunately a ton of validity in their arguments. Why do you find that unfortunate?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 12:26 AM
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Also how we experience attraction. I'm sure some women experience it like they describe, but for most women it is a complete miss (even if the end results fit). Men have higher libidos. Men can look at a picture of a women and instantly know if he wants to fuck her I have to call bullshit here. I believe that women are just as visual as men when it comes to who's fuckable or not. Women just have a harder time admitting that fact because goes against the women are wonderful narrative (which works…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 12:24 AM
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It's gotten so MFing moralizing ?? What is this? There isn't really as much push back on anger phasers as there should be Really? I'd say there's plenty of pushback against the anger emitting from there. Do you mean within RP? In that case you're mostly right because RP acknowledges that anger and makes it clear that it's okay to have these emotions because they're perfectly nornal human emotions to have. You disagree with that? The discussion of sexual strategy is amoral, the implementation of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 12:11 AM
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I would say it is concerning in the sense that it is clear that it has an adverse affect on the men there. In what way if you care to elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 11:44 PM
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It is not, according to me, a way that we should structure our morality and our interactions with each other, in both purely ethical, purely pragmatic, and idealistic contexts. Why not? If you take an interest in evo psyche then you should know why things like RP attract certain guys, and in turn it should probably warrant bigger questions like how and why guys ended up forming RP in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 11:43 PM
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So it's just a source of amusement and pastime for you, then? In a way I envy you. For a lot of guys, it's been the place where they've actually been heard and validated as human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 11:41 PM
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It drives the point home that women don't have it as bad as they think they do. I see the mods removed my post. Must have triggered a lot of feels.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 06:50 AM
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But women don't center their self esteem on being fuckable or not, so it's mostly a moot point Eh, that's debatable. I don't think anyone, man or woman, wants to be unfuckable. Women being used as a fleshlight - don't you think it would feel even worse for them if they knew a guy didn't even want to fuck them for a ONS?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 01:34 AM
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Then why are you being a smartass instead of adressing my OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 01:29 AM
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I saw them kissing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 01:28 AM
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I did make a point. A very good one. You're just choosing to ingore it and focus on a minor typo in order to deflect the argument that's being made becuase clearly you have non to counter with. Lol, you're funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 01:00 AM
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Why? Is it too inconvenient for your preconceived ideas of the SMP? I'm being frank and honest here, how and why is this too unbelievable for your tastes?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 12:54 AM
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I made an acute observation? Lol, whatever. I know you're just deflecting instead of addresing the point of my OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 12:50 AM
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No im not. Ive only been here about an hour for a quick lunch break and I'm about to leave soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 12:48 AM
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Based on the their conversation, it sounds like they're acquainted fuckbuddies. It's not a random ONS situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 12:47 AM
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Too bad most guys don't share your opinion, otherwise there wouldn't be such a fuckes off and imbalanced SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 12:45 AM
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I saw them kissing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 12:45 AM
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Sleazy dysfunctional people frequent sleazy bars. All sorts of people frequent bars. Not just 'sleazy' types. But again, how do you explain it from a strictly numbers perspective. There is only a very small difference in the number of men & women (and if we account for all the men in prison, druggies, shipped off by the military, etc. - then probably more women than men) Are we really going to play the strict numbers game here? Okay, even if we did go by thay metric how exactly does thay discred…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 12:45 AM
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The really sad reality is that 99% of men are so thirsty, so impatient, that women who aren't good enough to lick the shit off their boots, seem to these men as the only option left to them. Whats sad is that there are men out there who do have options but because they're still men, and men just love sex, that when they do toss a fuckbone to low-SMV women it gives those women an inflated sense of their SMV which multiplied by god knows how much gives low-SMV women a collective inflated sense of …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 12:45 AM
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For thirsty betas all women are fuckable. This guy certainly isn't a thirsty beta though. He just likes sex and this woman makes it easy for a guy like him. Its sad, it only teaches some women that they don't have to take care of themselves if they want the dick Guys like him proliferate thay problembfor sure. In my opinion this is partially why the average American woman is overweight. That and the overabundance of fast food since most Americans are too lazy to gey off their ass and cook for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 12:30 AM
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What's so funny? That I spelled 'observation' wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 12:25 AM
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But if we look past sleazy bars Is that supposed to be an excuse? That just becuase this is a bar setting somehow that means this isn't an accurate representation of the fucked up SMP? I've seen this kind of shit at the grocery store and Barns & Noble.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 12:19 AM
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At this point 'dating' and commited relationships sound so unapealing now if this is really the pool of women guys are going to have to choose from is. There's no longer any incentibe for womento stay in shape and be attractive, in fact saying that maybe women should stay in shape and attractive is now considered misogyny. It madness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 12:10 AM
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Why do you say thay? Is this a bad quality post? How?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 11:52 PM
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I used to work with a woman who sounds almost identical to what you just described - she has four kids and a boyfriend. That tells me women can't ever truly be incel the way that men are becuase there will always be someone out there willing to fuck them no matter how much of an out of shape landwhale they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 11:50 PM
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From a guy's perspective, we can consider a woman not all that hot, but fuckable enough for a short fling or ONS. That doesn't mean we consider then high value enough to want anything more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 04:47 PM
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Lol. Oh, but I thought blues and other anti-RP people were very adament that women's sexuality isn't the same as men's, that women wanted commitment and not just a fuck around... Funny how blues change up the goalposts when it's convienant for their in the moment argument...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 12:47 PM
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Why would someone LTR someone without wanting to fuck them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 12:38 PM
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You're saying peopke have wanted to LTR you without wanting to fuck you? Ok...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 12:37 PM
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If someone is willing to fuck you, then there's always that slight possibility they're willing to LTR you as well. The reverse isn't possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 09:05 AM
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I've known alpha chad types who talk shit about the low value women they toss a bone to and how they're not all that attracted to them but hey, it was an easy lay. She's not in his league SMV wise. She just got lucky that she found a chad willing to give out a charity fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 06:06 AM
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No, they're not in the same league. Just because Chad finds you fuckable for a ONS doesn't mean you're objectively high SMV. Anyone who says otherwise is just hamstering hardcore.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 06:04 AM
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Elliot Rodger was a nutcase who most RPers would agree was completely off his rockers and the kind of person who would have killed anyway even if he'd gotten his dick wet. He's not an accurate reflection of the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 06:02 AM
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It's called an anger phase, RP itself tells guys to get over their anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 08:09 PM
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Right, and they tend to do so bitterly because they would have preferred hot Chad be their boyfriend, not the lame beta who showers her with attention and affection. Also don't forget about hypergamy, women will still be looking to upgrade whenever an opportunity presents itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 08:08 PM
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No it doesn't. Just because Chad tossed you a bone for a night doesn't mean you're in Chad's league. See, this is exactly the kind of shit that leads to a lopsided SMP - women thinking that they're hot shit who deserve hot Chads when in reality Chad was just horny one night and his regular HB8 plate wasn't available so he took home the chubby girl because guys just like sex. She was a fuckdoll to him, nothing more. Yet these low-SMV women trip themselves up into believing that they can regularly…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 07:54 PM
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Women settle for things that they aren't quite exactly excited about just as men do. That's what leads to dead bedrooms. Plenty of women fail to lock down their Chad, so they settle for something mediocre because why not? no one likes being alone forever and people eventually settle for what they can get. It doesn't mean those women are super duper wet for their partners. And typically the guys women settle for don't get the same kind of action in terms of quality that she gave Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 07:49 PM
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But what I'm saying is Chad throwing a bone to a fatty here and there doesn't make that fatty a high SMV woman. That's something women and Blues keep hasmtering themselves into believing but objectively it's just not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 07:32 PM
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RP simply shows men that women aren't these angelic beings, it dissolves the Women Are Wonderful halo that many guys are instilled with from a young age which leads to abuse and manipulation at the hands of women. In other words, RP tells guys that women are human and humans tend to be shitty beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 07:30 PM
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Clearly what we have now is way more choice and we are dealing with the troubles of that. Women have more choice. So instead of meeting the cute guy who lives down the road with a compatibe lifestyle, they have 5 similar ones within a 5 mile radius. And now, the guys who live further away have a much better chance of meeting her first because she uses the internet to meet people. She has to weigh up her options now instead of settling on the perfectly fine one down the road. Forget a five mile r…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 07:26 PM
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Men will fuck anything though, even high SMV males will throw a bone to a fatty if she can provide a fun, quick fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 07:05 PM
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Just because RP allows men in the anger phase to vent and voice their emotions doesn't necessarily make it a 'hate group'. Especially when RP itself tells these men that they must eventually let go of their anger, that they can't allow it to consume them, if they ever wish to better their lives. The KKK doesn't necessarily encourage it's members to eventually let go of their hatred towards blacks and other minorities. People keep making these kind of comparisons when the comparison is inaccurate…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 06:55 PM
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However, telling men that they should view women as disposable and inferior, or that they should use outright deception or psychological tricks to essentially gaslight someone, isn't any better than telling women that they should all be gold-diggers who regard men as little more than walking wallets with penises. The latter is rightfully despised, and so should the former. Here's the thing though, the latter is nearly called out as much as the former, no one questions or objects to the shitty th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 06:49 PM
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RP guys don't go around openly terrorizing women or hang them from trees. And RP can't really be classified as a 'hate group' when it tells guys that they have to get their own shit in order and that blind hatred will not help them achieve their goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 06:35 PM
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Lonely/depressed women get sympathy and understanding from mainstream society. People are curious to know how and why women end up unattached and lonely. Men in the same boat just get chuckled at and made into the butt of jokes. Yeah we hear the 'old cat lady' jokes as well, but those women typically don't receive the same level of disregard and contempt as single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 06:33 PM
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This concept that Chad's are out there giving twos commitment is rediculous. They're not committing, they're pumping and dumping women who hope he commits, then become jaded and bitter once it becomes clear that he can't be locked down. Only then do women look over at the less attractive guy who's willing to commit to her after she fails to wrangle in Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 06:16 PM
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This supports RPs notion of AFBB then, doesn't it? So AFBB shouldn't be getting criticized the way that it does among blues.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 06:15 PM
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weak comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 06:14 PM
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Some incels do put in the effort to better themselves but still struggle. It's a huge mountain to climb for some.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 06:00 PM
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Fair enough, but i wouldn't say the struggling guys are a small number either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 06:29 AM
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Right. It wasn't about your individual happiness. It was about the collective good in building a strong society.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 06:20 AM
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Plenty of low-SMV guys go for low-SMV women but the latter still feel like they can snag tall Adonis with abs and a six-figure salary. IME it's low-SMV who refuse to compromise on their standards than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 06:09 AM
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What if I told you lower tier men could have more success with women if they courted lower tier women? Believe it or not many men do go out of their way to hit on low SMV women but those women still feel like they are in Chad's league. This point has been made many times in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 06:04 AM
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Yeah. I don't think traditional marriage was ever advertised as some paradise for men hence why many men ended up cheating on their wives anyway by having mistresses on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 05:48 AM
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Both are shitty things to be assumed though, right? It sucks for a guy to hear that people are wondering if he's gay becuase he struggles with women. Then if he sets the record straight with them it still doesn't help becuase now he's some defective man who's unable to be a real man if he struggles with women. It's a double edged sword.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 05:46 AM
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political leaders decided that marriage was the foundation of society There's good argument to support that it is though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 05:37 AM
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And rather than attempting to figure out how to genuinely attract a partner that would love and respect them. Many guys want this exactly. But unfortunately when they often seek out help they're often met with unhelpful/ineffective advice that doesn't adequately adress the issue (ie be physically attractive, don't be beta, etc) at best. At worst they're met with hostile scorn and mockery and acused of being "entitled". TRP ends up promoting emotional manipulation and reducing women to a machine …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 05:32 AM
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I would say that this time around a lot of the resentment and discontent is much more blatant and transparent these days, wouldn't you agree? 10 years ago it was unheard of for male issues to be discussed the way it currently is. Now it's beginning to creep into more mainstream conversations which in turn prompts a hostile reaction from feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 05:21 AM
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Yes, there's load of pressure for men to display being a man, in part by showing thay you have the ability to land women. "you'll find someone someday". Men are often told this too, the difference is that unlike women men dont have social safety nets for those who find themselves alone and struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 05:17 AM
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Would you say thay all of this has the potential to lead to social ills? Having a surplus pouplation of unattached and unwanted malea doesn't seem to produce anything good for society overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 05:14 AM
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Doesn't it sound like women being sexually liberated and hypergamous is what causes a society to decline? Maybe those guys were onto something.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 05:12 AM
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The question is why it is seen as such a thought crime. Becuase for some reason the notion of guys improving or wanting to improve themselves in order to become more attractive to women seems to ruffle the feathera of many women and white knight mangina types.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 05:09 AM
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I think there's a bit more to it than just blind hatred. There's an underlying reason and root cause behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 05:05 AM
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RP rhetoric is similair to alt-right rhetoric. This isn't exactly surprising to anybody who hasnt been living under a rock the last few years. News at 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/17 08:54 PM
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I'll admit sometimes the threads are just ridiculous, but you gotta admit that this sub is one of the few places online where feminism can be criticized the way it is unfiltered by PC policing found in the mainstream that want to make it immune to criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/17 07:20 PM
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I was here during that time. It was not every single thread in the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/17 07:15 PM
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Why? should feminism be immune to criticism?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/17 05:37 PM
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Incel is relevant to PPD discussion. What gives all the incel-haters the authority to determine what's relevant to PPD discussion? You were never obligated to click on a incel thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/17 05:34 PM
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Banning incel themed threads essentially produces the same result as just a blanket ban on 'incels' themselves though because you're preventing them from talking about their something that pertains to the other topics here: SMP, SMV, sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/17 05:30 PM
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But if they did go ER, sure they'd get demonized since killing is wrong, but is it possible that it would bring more attention to the issue? there's already of bunch of ER sympathizers out there, it's not hard to imagine there being sympathy for a female ER since women already get sympathy for everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 02:44 AM
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Would incel be taken more seriously by society if it were primarily women the ones being affected by it? like if there were millions of young women out there who couldn't get laid, struggled to find a partner, involuntary virgins, etc and if it was women coming together to form online communities to complain about how much incel sucks, discuss sexual strategy, etc. If this were the case do you think we'd be seeing the same social backlash against these women the same way there's a social backlas…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 01:25 AM
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What makes them 'genetic waste' is that if they're not fucking then they sure aren't reproducing. So, what is being wasted then? Them themselves. Some males die off without getting to reproduce. In a biological sense, if they're not reproducing then that makes them 'wastes'.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/17 10:11 PM
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Like I said, I think people are paying too much attention to what's being said and written online.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 10:35 PM
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They keep fervently denying that there is nay sort of inherent differences between men and women when it comes to sexuality."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 10:33 PM
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Dude, what are talking about? What does any of what I said have to do with 'respect'? I'm only trying to highlight what I perceive as 'alpha' - it's basically a guy who's not only attractive but also looks like he's immune to threats. If some unemployed bad boy thug with no car is pulling more ass than the guy with a solid career, money in the bank, and no criminal record then obviously being the good schoolboy isn't going to produce much results as far as sexual strategy goes when comparing the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 10:30 PM
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Their controversial views stick out like sore thumbs and get them publicity which then attracts more people to them, I think people are paying too much to what's being said and written online. There are many of us who read RP and take in the information then and continue quietly living our lives while applying RP principals. I'm sure there are feminists who hold feminist beliefs but they're not exactly going out of their way to shout down men's discussion groups on college campus, or think that …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 01:11 AM
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People are not immune to noticing other attractive people just because they're in a relationship. Fair enough, the thing is though women are the ones in a position of power to actually make something happen for themselves if they so desired. It's one thing is some married schmuck checks out the hot waitress, he doesn't really expect to get with her even if he tried/wanted to, but it's another thing knowing that your wife has eyes for her chad coworker or some shit because women unlike men have s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 12:50 AM
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Return of Kings is on the extreme end of RP, guys like Roosh and Milo may label themselves RP but I don't agree with enslaving women or making rape legal and things like that. That said, saying women's only value is their vaginas is a way of describing the biological imperative of the sexes: if men weren't horny all of the time trying to get some would they still have the same level of interest in women as they currently do? one could also say men's only worth is them being sperm ATMS, in fact I…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 12:45 AM
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Idk, to me it doesn't matter much if a guy is broke, has no car, and is sleeping on a friend's couch. If he's slaying more pussy than the guy who has his shit together, has a job, etc then the former guy is alpha one with the "superior" genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 11:08 PM
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RPers have said a lot of outrageous things, they've also taken the time to tell you not to take those things so literally. AWALT isn't meant to be taken literally, it's meant to serve as a basic "guide" or blueprint on the kinds of red flags to look out for because women are human and humans are shitty. Yet Bloopers and other RP critics just can't seem to get over the politically incorrect tone in which RP coveys it's message. "Women are like children" is a way of describing common behavioral pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 11:05 PM
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for example men being socialized to be good at math Men aren't "socialized" to be good at math. Men have simply been shown to be more logical thinkers and thus math is one of those subjects a lot of men excel in.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 10:41 PM
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Explain to me again why people deserve "equal outcomes"? shouldn't rewarding results come as a result of talent, dedication, and hard work to earn that reward? why do feminists feel they're automatically entitled to equal outcomes even if they don't have the talent or put in as much work and dedication to earn that outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 10:39 PM
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Excuses excuses. What "social conditioning" are you talking about that prevents women from having equal outcomes? you see that's the problem with modern feminism - they want equal outcomes even if they don't have the merit or deserve to have an "equal" outcome. Basically in the eyes of feminists it doesn't matter if women are horrible at something, they still deserve to have equal outcomes as those who are better than them because of "equality"? Sorry babe but that's not equality. That's demandi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 10:37 PM
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But you didn't quote anything, you took his words and made them into something completely different. You're the one arguing in bad faith here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 10:28 PM
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Now multiply that by 1000 similar stories and now we're in business.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 10:26 PM
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For example, using RP theory, something describing hypergamy as a net positive because it results in women only having eyes for their SOs when their hypergamy is satisfied Except women's hypergamy is never fully "satisfied". There's a post on askTRP right now from a guy who's bothered by fact that he witnessed his girlfriend eyefucking the hot Chad who walked in the room, it wasn't just her either, he noticed the other women in the room (some wearing wedding rings) all checking out this handsome…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 08:51 PM
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I like how you took his words and completely twisted them around to make them appear as you want them to appear. Go ahead and do that all you'd like, it doesn't make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 08:42 PM
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And thus the PPD gridlock continues. You know, it's totally okay if you did have casual sex and ONS during your "party phase", you can admit here on an anonymous forum you know. That said, I noticed how you make a clear distinction between ONS and "casual hookups among friends", while there is a difference between going home with a rando from the bar and hooking up among friends, you have to understand that a lot of RP guys are coming from a position of either not being in a "sex positive" socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 10:25 PM
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I don't think the majority of women have even done that. See, this where I feel a lot of Blues intentionally bullshit. Yall keep spreading this myth that women aren't interested in casual sex. That's just not true. It's not just "party type" girls who do these things, it's regular and average plain jane women. I've seen chads in my circle hookup with dorky women, married women, women with boyfriends, women with kids, single women who aren't interested in an LTR, the types of women you wouldn't t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 09:49 PM
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So these women were chubby nerds? I don't think RP guys are expecting to sleep with fashion models, most of them wouldn't even mind a chubby girl with an okay face, but they also feel they shouldn't have to resort to disgusting landwhales because even the chubby nerd girls with an okay face feel like they're above guys their own league and only want the most attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 09:39 PM
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Use this opportunity to describe situations that you personally witnessed where some skinny/chubby nerd got regular casual sex with the girls in his social circle(s).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 09:04 PM
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The majority of women have had some level of casual sex to some degree. Most of them may not be getting railed by different men every other night, but most of them have at least had a ONS or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 08:45 PM
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You haven't offered any reason why to you think those three things are bs. The majority of women have had some level of casual sex to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 08:43 PM
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"It's normal to sleep around casually then settle down later, what's so wrong about that?" "And? plenty of people screw around before marrying someone later. You're being bitter/insecure" -actually statements I've read from Blue pillers. So pretty much what it basically boils down to is it's not so much that Blues disagree with the actual arguments behind things like the CC or AF/BB, but rather that Blues just don't like the way RP says those things. The cock-carousel, hypergamy, Alpha Fucks-Bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 07:43 PM
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Are incels essentially genetic waste? in almost every mammalian society the males court the females, the females have to choose, only a few males get to breed. We see this play out in humans as well, there's even been genetic testing concluding that only roughly about 40% of men in the past ever reproduced. I find that a rather telling and frankly disturbing/disheartening thing if indeed true. Because to me that's pretty much the nail in the coffin regarding RP and all the debate around it, it g…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 07:19 PM
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Women lose respect for a guy who just chills at home and not providing. All of the "men stepping into women's role" is good propaganda lip service for feminists but when they're actually faced with the reality they find themselves feeling disgusted and unable to stomach of a guy wearing a skirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 12:52 AM
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You're being deliberately obtuse to avoid real debate. Anyone with any shred of common sense knows that bigfoot isn't real, meanwhile TRP has field reports from people who've applied RP in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 11:17 AM
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Like how you're just completely sidestepping the main point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 05:21 AM
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How about just don't get married and maximize plate spinning or serial monogamy instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 08:34 PM
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I know, but for some reason Bloopers have a hard admitting this or they try to pass it off as no big deal. Tell that to a struggling incel guy who's never even been kissed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 08:33 PM
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But who cares? If they still have a good relationship and good sex it doesn't really matter, and if they don't, they shouldn't marry her! Lots of women use sex/intimacy to rope-a-dope a man in for commitment/marriage then gradually put out less and less until a guy is left wondering what the hell happened and why her libido seemingly disappeared of the face of the Earth once she starts withholding sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 07:21 PM
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The difference is that TRP contains real life examples of it's rhetoric as well as practical application. So while TRP produces measurable results, Bigfoot enthusiasts have yet to produce a sasquatch corpse or a high quality video that shows without a doubt a real life sasquatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 07:15 PM
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I just don't understand how you can insist that this kind of manipulation/female strategy is rare and only happens with outliers, there's a reason why things like RP and the manosphere came to existence in the first place you know. Because it's not so rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 07:10 PM
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What I DON'T see is this pattern of women slutting it up then suddenly stopping and demanding three dinner dates and the title of "girlfriend" before she'll put out. Like I said, I'm sure it happens sometimes. I just think it is far from the norm. Well, for many of us on this side of the fence that's exactly what we see, and hopefully you can understand that this is why many guys feel like they're being played and taken advantage of by women who use them for their resources and emotional investm…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 06:44 PM
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Comparing celebs (a whole different/elite group of people) and what they say to the realities and experiences of the common peasant. Lol. /thread fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 06:34 PM
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It's possible she didn't make any of them wait, or made them all wait. The kinds of girls who want to wait to have sex generally wait with every guy. Well then it can't really be considered "casual sex" if she's making every guy wait, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 06:02 PM
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Does it happen? Probably. Is it the default? No How do you know it's not the default? even if it may not necessarily be "default" it still happens with enough frequency that it spawned things like TRP, a collection of guys coming together to compare notes and recognizing repeating patterns of behavior among women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 05:49 PM
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Do you realize that there are guys out there who can't get to the casual fucking? as in if there's a girl that they like and they try to move thing towards something sexual they encounter an obstacle: "What kind of girl do you think I am? I don't have sex outside a relationship. You have to date me for a while first". See, this is why a lot of guys run into confusion and resentment. You're sitting there saying that it's totally normal to fuck around casual before things sorta evolve towards an L…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 05:46 PM
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The idea behind what OP is saying is that the types of guys a woman has casual sex with are generally not the same kind of guys she marries later, the guy she marries later tends to be a guy who's not as attractive as Chad but because he's "LTR material" she likes him for just that - secure LTR. Guys thus often feel like they're being "settled" for considering her prior wild phase with Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 05:12 PM
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Another thing to consider is that at the end of the day, the guy who ultimately marries her is largely getting used up damaged goods and he has to pay a higher price for it (offering marriage/commitment) while Chad didn't have to. Hubby had to wine and dine her, romance her, and all the other BP crap. Chad just posted a shirtless pic of himself and she was DTF. Hubby wasn't attractive enough for her to have casual sex with but he was good enough for marriage, hubby came in second place and Chad …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 04:58 PM
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There's something to it. Just ask the guys in dead bedroom situations who find out wifey used to be a cheerful little slut in school and even enjoyed anal and being spanked, but hubby gets only once a month starfish duty sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 04:34 PM
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I wouldn't say men collectively are being 'pushed' into those jobs, but men a proclivity to take them up anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 10:20 PM
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And yet there's a push to open military combat roles to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 01:55 AM
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What are you talking about? I'm interested in hearing the feminist perspective as to why there's such a disproportionate amount of men in certain areas of work that women seem to avoid like the plague in spite of all of the hoopla we hear about women being oppressed in a man's world. Notice how there's a social push to get more girls interested in STEM but not a peep about more women being sewer workers or garbage collectors.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 01:54 AM
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So then you can understand why modern feminism gets so much hate and flak. Because yall are shameless hypocrites who feel entitled to the lucrative positions in society while not batting an eye towards the guys in the trenches who keep modern civilization intact. Thanks for proving why modern feminism is hated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 12:22 AM
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The more I can buy myself the better. I'd rather have a "low status" job making 100k than a "high status job" making 50k. The more I can buy myself the better. I'd rather have a "low status" job making 100k than a "high status job" making 50k. I like your thinking. It's unfortunate that "low-status" jobs are seen as such and are thankless, people don't seem to realize or appreciate just how much those jobs actually keep our society and infrastructure intact.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 12:19 AM
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I thought it was the opposite? if you're a cute woman you get a lot more leeway and favoritism.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 12:01 AM
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Oh please, as if I'm truly the first person here to make these kinds of posts. We've already seen posts that have little to do with RP or sexual strategy, and I feel that this pertains something to PPD because feminism is a common subject that's touched upon here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 11:55 PM
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They deserve to be called out on it because we're constantly hearing them bitch and complain about being "oppressed" in a "man's world"...yet they won't touch the jobs that are male-dominated!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 11:48 PM
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What does this have to do with the fact that feminists cherry-pick what they want "equality" in? You can make some pretty good money doing a trade, yet we don't see women in droves striving to be let into those "boys clubs" now do we? That's my whole point here. Feminists feel that women are entitled to be allowed entry into the upper-echelons of society but they feel they're "too good" to get their hands dirty in a trade even if that trade pays well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 11:47 PM
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So you're freely admitting that it's not about "equality" and it's all about clout and "status"? Cool then. If only more feminists were as honest as you instead of feeding us a bunch of bs lies about "equality".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 11:42 PM
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Sure, but the fact remains that many guys find their niche in a trade skill hence why so many of them don't go to college. The fact remains that, despite the stigma and judgement towards people without degrees, we as a society still very much need sewer workers, we need people to pick up our garbage bins, we need people to fix the power lines, we need people to deliver our food the nearest grocery store. If men were collectively turning down these jobs..we'd be in BIG trouble as a society. Somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 11:35 PM
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Because feminists deserve to be called out on their hypocrisy. Because many of them will deny it and fight tooth and nail to insist that this isn't the case. We just want feminists to be more honest about their agenda instead of hiding behind the "equality" facade.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 11:30 PM
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Personally, all of the guys I know who go into trades genuinely want to be there and are quite satisfied/content with what they take home. Some of them have even given college a shot and decided that it wasn't for them hence why they went to welding school.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 11:27 PM
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Plumbers actually get paid decent money, same as welders, electricians, HVAC, etc. Admit it, it's not about the money, it's about the clout and prestige of being able to call yourself a financial-investor, programmer, or a scientist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 11:24 PM
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Women evidently prefer prefer big dicks generally, they have a natural fuller filling. IME the only kind of girls who've stated that they don't like large dicks are petite girls who it would be too painful for. Notice how the usual complaint women have against hung guys is stuff like "He didn't put in any effort cuz he thought his dick would do all the work"...well, that' not much consolidation to guys who feel inadequate because all you have to do is factor in that some hung guys actually do kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/17 03:02 AM
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Your words are an understatement. Not a lot of people seem to realize just how much of a huge psychological mountain it is to climb for a lot of guys. Many of them may genuinely feel that it's an objectively hopeless situation for them when to outside observers that may not appear to be true. It also sucks how toxic and brutal the culture is to guys who are even just a tad bit shy, awkward, or introverted.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 08:37 PM
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So many guys are clueless so they turn to TRP for answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 08:52 PM
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Surpressing your feminine side -if you have one- is emotionally unhealthy and pushes you to unfulfilling relationships with women you're not compatible with. Yeah right. A guy being in touch with his "feminine side" is a sure way ticket to Betahood when guys are trying to be Alpha Fucks. For guys who are trying to pull as, being sensitive and in touch with their "feminine side" isn't going to make any panties wet. Women want to be fucked by manly men, not sensitive romantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 07:35 PM
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My whole point of this thread is that it doesn't matter if you want causal sex or not, if you're low-SMV you're not getting causal sex regardless. Basically the article should have had a disclaimer NON-CHADS NEED NOT READ FURTHER. That's what I'm trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 07:27 PM
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okay, but for guys who are recovering betas trying to raise their SMV, they often find themselves being pigeonholed into the BB role which is what they're trying to NOT be.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 07:24 PM
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Sure, but take into consideration that we no longer live in a world full of warring tribes and wild beasts. Men's physical strength has become largely redundant in the 21st century, our food is delivered to us, the police protect us, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 07:23 PM
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No, I'm saying that brainwashed guys are largely unaware of the true extent of the modern SMP, yes most guys are aware to some degree that they have to put in some effort, but I don't think many of them realize just how brutally competitive and unforgiving it really is for a lot of guys who strike out on the genetic lottery or who may be a tad bit shy, awkward, or introverted. The article doesn't explain how most of the guys who are going to be getting ass left and right are jock and gangbanger …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 06:37 PM
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But you can't compare the two...sex and the biological desire for it is considered a human need from a psychological perspective, lifting and attaining a fit body isn't exactly a biological drive flowing through our veins if you get what I'm saying. If people are out of shape there isn't exactly something that's compelling them to go do a set, most people are lazy and don't really care if they're out of shape, while being sexually frustrated is sure to irritate anyone and out them in a bad mood.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 06:33 PM
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Dude..that shit was painful to read, especially the part about regret. It's sobering. Mental roadblocks can be a bitch to overcome. Thanks for your input.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 04:05 PM
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It gives guys a clearer and more accurate picture of the SMP if they want to adequately compete in it, and a guy doesn't necessarily have to be a 5'4" elephant man to struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 04:03 PM
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What do you mean how? they're just different. Your ability to pull ass isn't the same as your ability to lift. Anybody can lift, not everyone can pull ass regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 04:00 PM
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I meant pull ass without having to commit. "Boyfriend material" type guys usually have to offer some form of commitment. That's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 03:59 PM
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Didn't strike me that way at all but regardless, why does an advice article for men need to address that women can get casual sex, in general, easier than men? Why is this "news" necessary? Because not every guy is going to be able to get the casual sex that they want. Therefore, articles like the one I posted should reflect that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 03:58 PM
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Maslow's hierarchy of needs states that sex and intimacy are important to human mental and emotional health. Lifting weights isn't on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 03:56 PM
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Men shouldn't aspire to be manly, men should aspire to be themselves. Sometimes being "themselves" is a hindrance. If it was really that simple guys wouldn't be looking up information on how to make themselves more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 03:54 PM
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It's not society or Feminism that is preventing these guys from becoming "marriage material" or even "boyfriend material". They don't want to be boyfriend or husband material, they just want to pull ass. But telling them that they are good to go Stop right there. TRP doesn't tell them they are good to go. It tells them they need to improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 08:24 AM
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Because they're two totally different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 08:21 AM
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The issue is that most guys don't seem to spend a lot of time trying to get laid. That's something TRP acknowledges. It tells guys to get off their ass and make themselves attractive. Men have become effeminate and complacent, they don't know what it means to be men anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 06:57 AM
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Aren't you like some ultra-chad? so you're in no position to be saying who's average and who's not and what their respective experiences are like. You're just bragging/trolling. But the truth that you're all not willing to face is that if you cannot have a normal relationship with women in our modern culture you are decidedly below average. Again, you choose to only focus on the omega neckbeards because they're easy targets for you. What about guys who aren't terribly ugly, aren't social recluse…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 06:45 AM
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Wrong. I know you're just trolling/strawmanning, but I assure you there are plenty of average dudes showing up to TRP as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 06:15 AM
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Wrong. I know you're just trolling/strawmanning, but I assure you there are plenty of average dudes showing up to TRP as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 06:15 AM
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That's not always true. The chads I know also talk shit about sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 06:13 AM
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LOL yeah, sure, I guess the rampant divorce and single motherhood producing dysfunctional offspring is has really done wonders for society, huh? Sometimes I wonder if BPers are living on a different planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 06:10 AM
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man average guys get laid, but it's not with insane frequency, like come on. Some people punch above their weight class, but for a lot of decent, average guys, they rely on monogamous engagements. I've been involved with so many diverse groups of people and this remains a fucking constant. The top guys are seriosuly living a different reality, like don't even pretend man. Seriously. They really do live in a different reality, that's what we try to explain to people but they keep insisting that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 06:08 AM
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No it most certainly is not. Yes it is. You just have to make yourself available. Did you see the recent Craigslist posts? a woman doesn't even need to post a pic of herself and still have guys wanting to fuck. Regardless, what does this have to do with the question at hand? How is it relevant? It has everything to do with it. The article is making it seem like anyone can indulge in casual sex when that's not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 05:58 AM
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You can't really compare weight lifting to your ability or inability to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 05:52 AM
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I don't think it's so much that guys are aspiring to have a high n-count but rather they think they shouldn't be fighting an uphill battle either just to have a minuscule mount of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 05:51 AM
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No. It's not just incels. Plenty of 'normal' guys out there who are having trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 05:48 AM
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and again...it's not like most guys can easily hookup with whoever they can and saying "it goes both ways" fails or refuse to acknowledge that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 05:46 AM
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There's already a growing up trend towards polyamory and "open relationships", it's society trying to get guys to accept their BB Ole.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 02:49 AM
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That's the idea behind the 80/20 rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 02:45 AM
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It's not a lie, it's a rough estimate /gauge of the open SMP that's easily observable and it's not just omega guys who are struggling. Plenty of average/normal dudes who have a hard time with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 02:39 AM
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Indeed, it is basically the male Cosmo that toes the party line. Imagine an AskMen RP style.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 02:36 AM
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I think what they're saying is that it normal for people to sleep around for fun before deciding to get serious with an LTR. Failing to mention that most men don't just get to indulge in casual sex as they please.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 02:35 AM
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The article failed to mention how the open SMP works as well as things like how most men don't get the kind of casual sex that they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 02:33 AM
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Getting casual sex is almost like breathing for women, not so much for men. That's where the tremendous advantage comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 02:29 AM
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Interesting. I'd like to hear more input on this matter for someone's who technically qualifies as an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 02:22 AM
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In my experience women really aren't that inhibited when it comes to casual sex, it's just a matter of finding the right kind of guy who sparks the tingles and chads are great at this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 02:19 AM
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80/20 is a rough estimate/gauge of how the casual SMP works. Most guys don't get a lot of casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 02:13 AM
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Incels are relevant to discussion because they make up a core segment of TRP. They're here to stay. Get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 02:03 AM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 01:58 AM
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But that's my point, most mainstream/BP advice ignores that tremendous advantage women have, women are always the didadvantaged in the eyes of society and it bothers them to acknowledge something that women have the upper leg on and more importantly, how it causes a tremendous amount of stress, frustration, anxiety and depression for men on the losing end of the equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/17 09:03 PM
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I'm not taking you seriously because you're comparing heroin use to sex and intimacy (or lack thereof). Get real, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 09:35 PM
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Says who exactly? I didn't realize we had such a vibrant and informed psych community here on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 09:33 PM
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and yet it's being taught in college classrooms, but because u/GroovyEFS thinks it's bollocks then it must be unscientific. Lol sure. Whatever you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 09:31 PM
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A hooker doesn't provide emotional intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 09:29 PM
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You miss the point though. It's not about handling the urges, it's about the fact that they're sexually frustrated and unfulfilled. Jacking off to relieve yourself of urges changes nothing of the fact that you're still sexually frustrated because you can't have normal sex with a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 03:05 AM
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No they won't. Refraining from masturbating only makes the urges more stronger in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 01:53 AM
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Good for you. Not everyone reacts to it the same way you do though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 11:35 PM
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You're being obtuse if you truly believe that a lack of sex and intimacy isn't unhealthy for someone's emotional and psychological well being. Sure we don't need sex the way we need food to survive, but Maslow makes it clear that sex and intimacy is a vital part of self-fulfillment and self-actualization.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 10:43 PM
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I agree that the self-imposed labels are counterproductive because it creates the impression that inceldom is some kind of disease that can't be helped when in many cases it's more about unbinding yourself from a huge mindfuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 10:38 PM
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Of course, but the point I was making was that the jeering and hostility towards incels doesn't help the situation either. Bullying and trolling incels is a sure way of producing "toxic" incels. Incels need empathy and understanding from other people, not mockery and abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 10:12 PM
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According Maslow's hierarchy of needs sex and intimacy is fundamental to mental and emotional well being. So much of the mockery and abuse towards incel is uncalled for. Many of them are dicks for sure, but being incel does that to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 07:40 PM
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Save some money and whenever the next break from school comes around, buy a bus ticket to wherever the hell you want, set yourself up in a cheap motel somewhere and for next couple of weeks of so just...live.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 06:40 PM
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...and making everyone feel awkward. How? why?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 06:37 PM
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If the information was never revealed to anyone then yeah you wouldn't know about it until you slept with him, my point though is that if for any reason people did know about the virginity status then the stigma comes into play.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/17 02:48 AM
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and you're desperate to let everyone know you're packing personal issues and you'll be a terrible lay. Late in life virgin guys aren't exactly wearing a V sign on their foreheads nor are they screaming from the rooftops to let the world know that they're virgins so I don't know where you're getting that idea from. Virgin guys are just automatically stigmatized regardless if they're loud or quiet about it because a virgin guy is perceived to be low-value becuase he hasn't been preselected. A guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/17 10:18 PM
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Virgin guy pretty much = unfuckable loser. Women most definitely aren't impressed by a guy's virginity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/17 09:23 PM
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You hope for a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 11:47 AM
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Very, and I mean VERY, few men are actually not having casual sex, fuckbuddies or relationships. Sorry, but that's just a lie. Most men don't have a harem of plates and fuck buddies.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 12:49 AM
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I was under the impression many men complained about women who act like 'tight-wound witches' and lash out at men who approach them? Women don't have to reject like tight-wound witches, you could be polite and graceful about it but choose to be a cunt instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:27 PM
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You're further contributing to the problem. Why not just tell them you're not interested them in any way? you get off at toying with these guys, you're exactly the reason why they end up become bitter misogynists. Y'all ladies are bringing upon yourself by being heartless harpies and getting a kick out of toying with men you despise.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 04:40 AM
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Sure, but don't make it seem like the women who do are some fringe minority when it's anything but. I'd say most women on a subconscious level apply the AFBB strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 09:09 PM
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Because if "most" women liked casual sex, the supply of casual sex wouldn't be low compared to the demand. Because I'm a woman, I know a lot of women, and there's a shit ton of them who agree with me on this. Women "don't like" casual sex because 90% of the men women come across in their daily lives are undesirable right off the bat. I'm saying once women come across that alpha chad, all predetermined "rules" and "restrictions" she previously had set for default on 90% of other guys is now out t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 08:51 PM
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How do you know "most" women don't like causal sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 07:56 PM
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That's bullshit. Women love causal sex. It's just that they only want to have causal sex with a small pool of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 07:41 PM
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Why are you even factoring in gay men into the conversation? we're here to discuss heterosexual strategy, men aren't going to take up your "challenge" because they're not gay and aren't interested in men. This thread is shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 07:15 PM
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Yes. I do not care what imaginary numbers a bunch of strangers assigns to people they have nothing to do with, as every individual has different parameters according to what is important to them and what isn't, so all the 123456789 that gets thrown around is meaningless. It's all purely subjective. Again, yes people are individuals but when studying the collective group is where the pattern can be observed. You and I don't live in a culture that tells you are a worthless loser if you're a virgin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 11:05 PM
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You listed a bunch of buzzwords for which I see in no basis in reality. AFBB? Men your cult calls "pathetic betas" are getting love, including sexual love, and are in happy relationships, while the terpers aren't. Hypergamy? The not-so-pathetic-betas' partners are their peers, their partners are not inferior to them. 80/20? They all have or have had partners and they definitely are more than a 20%. Cock-carousel? Women have far less partners than men, just because they're not fucking you doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 11:04 PM
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How close does a "close male friendship" need to be? back in the day guys used to buttram each other as a form of "bonding". I'm not interested in doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 09:40 PM
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So? I see plenty of fat chicks who are married or engaged. Guys will bang a fatty for ONS and will also wife up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 09:34 PM
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It's basically a code word for "money" or "hundreds". On some escort sites they say things like "2 roses" meaning "$200 for an hour", etc. With Backpage going down, a lot of hookers are migrating to Tinder to advertise.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 09:30 PM
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will never-married men who have never had romantic relationships be stigmatized less? They'll just be expected to pay for women. At think at some point the U.S. will realize you can't have a surplus population of sexually frustrated males with no outlet, it causes nothing good for society, so prostitution would be legalized. Not sure if the stigma would go away. Some occupations expect you to be married by a certain age. Which occupations?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 09:25 PM
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Incels just seem to think that their existence should be enough, without being funny, witty, charismatic That's not necessarily true. Incels as a whole shouldn't be lumped in with the r/incels r/ForeverAlone dudes, many of them aren't terribly ugly looking and aren't terribly awkward, take care of their appearance, make an active effort to go out and meet women..but they still encounter a brick wall everytime. Stop acting like fat chicks. They aren't being loved for they are either. They're bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 09:18 PM
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maybe go from a 1 to a 3 (for arguments sake) and get a woman who is a 3. Even 3 women reject 3 men. A 3 woman isn't any less likely to reject a guy than a 6 woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 07:58 PM
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It's gotta be a mixture of both..hypergamy and the open SMP ensure that women only for the best of the best of men won't tolerate any guy who doesn't meet her minimal standard threshold and the simple fact is most guys don't meet women's standards so they are essentially invisible to women. Being ugly and/or awkward on top of that is a recipe for inceldom.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 07:48 PM
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How do you think the culture will change under Trump?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 04:33 AM
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Yeah, they hang out as a couple and socialise with other couples. So then it's look weird for a guy in this 30s to be sitting alone among a bunch of paired off couples, wouldn't it? I'm living the alternative and I don't recommend it. You're saying you're single with no kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 03:08 AM
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Again what is this "female sexual strategy" you keep harping about? I just told you what it is and you dismissed it all as "bullshit" and "misogynist lies". You're basically burying your head in the sand. And they keep not having it looks like, or they wouldn't need to repeat to themselves so hard that yes, they really do have abundance, they really do! You just gotta think harder! Don't let reality get to you! Quite pathetic imo. lol what? do you even know what the hell you're arguing at this p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 03:05 AM
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No, I don't "realize" bullshit I don't believe in such as this SMP bullshit terpers have made up to justify their failures. You refuse to even acknowledge the SMP? You're not going to get very far in debating here. Even the most vocal RP critics admit that there is some form of SMP out there. You're lying to yourself to make yourself feel better at this point. No, women are not so stupid to think if they're not getting sex that means they're less of a person, in fact the opposite. Try being a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 02:28 AM
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What you are essentially saying is that you have to be a party animal No, you don't have to be a party animal getting shitfaced every weekend, but you can't be an anti-social hermit either. RP is essentially advice for guys in their 20s who want to hang out in the bar scene. Well, when it comes to scoring ONS and causal hookups, the bar and club scene are places where those things happen. But not every RP guy is trying to fuck everything in town and RP takes that into consideration. This guy doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 01:49 AM
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What common trend though? What repeated patterns of behavior? What the hell are you talking about? What the hell is this "female sexual strategy" AFBB, hypergamy, 80/20, the cock-carousel, branch-swinging, etc. Why would they need to convince themselves they're so abudant in women wanting them Ah, but many of then don't have an abundance of women wanting them, that's why they found themselves reading RP in the first place. I'm female and the closest thing I've ever had to a "sexual strategy" was…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 01:35 AM
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Secondly, we don't know that someone never leaves their house just because they don't have close friends. I just said on here that I don't really have close friends any more. I would like to, but that's not how life works when you get older. I miss the old days, but they're over. I do, however, leave my house occasionally. One of the core things that RP tells guys is that they can't be boring. What you just described sounds like the existence of a boring, unexciting person..not good if you're tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 01:05 AM
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Yeah, that's why tons of women try their best to make a marriage work for them before filing for divorce, as you can't expect a woman null herself for her partner. Or why they keep stressful jobs to advance in a career/fulfill their ambitions/not fall into a worse situation, or plenty other such scenarios. Please, don't project yourself onto other people, especially women who are nothing like you describe. Women haven't started a cult online dedicated to making people miserable because they are …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 12:58 AM
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You don't need to be going on hikes and double dates to get laid tho. But that increases the chances of getting laid, no? and a lot of these guys need to up their chances to the maximize. An introverted loner with no friends or sexual prospects is going to continue to be that way unless he makes major changes to his lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 12:42 AM
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you have families and kids and socialise with other families. This doesn't make much sense to me. How can someone have families and kids if they have a hard just making friends?? What woman is going to marry and start a family with a guy who never leaves his house and has no friends? or social life?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 12:40 AM
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You're not forming a "sexual strategy" based on what women find attractive, you're forming an harassment strategy based on what a bunch of bullshitters told you they think women find attractive, when they're wrong. Completely absolutely 100% wrong. And you have their own constant bitterness and bitching about everything, especially their exploits not working, to prove it. You have women here telling you what they find attractive is the opposite of terp bullshit, you have reality around you provi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 12:37 AM
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Sure, but for a guy who's trying to maximize his SMV wouldn't it be counterproductive to have limited social interaction? One of the best ways of meeting new partners is not though cold approaching but though social circles and having mutual friends of mutual friends, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 12:15 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 11:54 PM
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C'mon. Humans are social creatures. Even the most introverted among us get lonely at times. Genuine hermits who can live on remote island by themselves for years are rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 11:53 PM
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Traditional marriage is a bad deal for women, not for men. That's what the study explicitly states. You were whining marriage is bad for men, so thanks for busting your own myth. In most cases men are the ones getting screwed over in divorce, modern marriage isn't a good deal for men either yet you make twist the argument and make it all about women. Have you ever considered that maybe the reason women initiate divorce more is not because their husbands are pieces of shit (a narrative you'd like…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 11:52 PM
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I don't know...I think being a friendless recluse at any age really can't be any good.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 11:42 PM
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And in your posts you're expressing the wish to exploit women and hurt them/render them something horrible because of of a bunch of absurd delusions you yourself created in your head with no basis in reality at all. That's deserving of every insult and contempt. What? How is forming sexual strategy based on what women find attractive equate to exploiting women and rendering them something horrible? It's like you're basically saying "You guys have no right to form sexual strategy because it takes…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 11:41 PM
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I'm not citing any particular study, I'm only highlighting the 70% number that's already been widely observed, furthermore what you just quoted only reinforces my idea that marriage is inherently a bad deal. He' basically saying non-martial relationships reported better quality than martial relationships, so why get married?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 11:20 PM
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Nothing wrong with initiating divorce per se. It means someone who was in a bad/unhappy marriage has freed themselves from a bad marriage and a bad partner for them. Fair enough, but is it a coincidence that women are initiating most divorces?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 10:47 PM
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All the insults and name calling are not good way to debate, it's juvenile and gives me the impression that you're the one who's not a very nice person if you're this hateful and intolerant towards people who disagree with you. And what you're saying is hypocritical because you're assign me a "category" while absolving yourself of any category. I need to remind you of something, RP didn't just come out if nowhere. It came from men coming together to compare notes and share observations. You don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 10:43 PM
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That's news to me. Isn't one of the pillars of self-improvement to become more social, make more friends and widen your social circle?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 10:02 PM
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Blaming it on the men huh? Women can never be selfish/evil human beings, can they? Women initiate most divorces and it's somehow the man's fault. It seems like women are never done riding the carousel even after getting married and saying vows that really don't mean shit to them. Less and less people in general are marrying, especially in the younger generations. I opinions on the matter are clearly not in the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 09:56 PM
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In all honesty he should probably seek out a sex worker to get the virginity monkey off his back first, it would makes things moving forward much easier once sex is demystified in his mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 09:19 PM
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But there are men with no friends who still get a gf. Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 09:14 PM
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You're saying that men not being able to pursue polyamory causes problems, since that's their nature. What you don't understand though is that even though it's in men's "nature" to want to fuck around and spread their seed, it doesn't necessarily mean that every man is going to be able to do that. The idea behind marriage was that it more a less created a system where "every" guy could have at least one wife, it wasn't and still isn't feasible for most men to be out sleeping with whoever they wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 08:45 PM
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In my personal situation, I make just enough money to get by and should probably go back to school to make more money. But I see no reason to. I guess that would come don to personal goals and strive. So people want to live in a large, cool house with a sports car or two..other people are perfectly happy and self-satisfied living frugally and spending more time outdoors than living in condos or driving fast cars anyway. Whatever you do though, it has to be for you and only you...if you're strivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 08:36 PM
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I don't think I am in any minority. But what category am I doesn't matter. You are in the category of men who are disgusting women haters and deserve being alone. lol blatant hypocrisy in the same post.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 08:24 PM
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It's still known though that the majority of divorces are initiated by women, and no matter the degree of the divorce - it's still divorce. So marriage is still a risky gamble especially for men. The thing about marriage is that I don't like the idea of combining assets and accounts, that's the shit that becomes a major headache during divorce and you never know if your partner turns out to be much of a bigger pain in the ass than you thought possible. Marriage is just a risky gamble all around,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 08:20 PM
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Though, discretion is required. If you're a studious schoolboy, for instance. It isn't worth chucking all that away just to get that piece of poon which may not even matter later whereas your academics may stay with you for a long time. In that scenario, not being a beta boy helps. I agree, my post may come off as completely hostile to going to school, I'm not trying to say that guys should deliberately deprive themselves of getting an education and establishing a good future for themselves, I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 08:03 PM
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Yeah, what about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 07:39 PM
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You're in the minority if you're truly marrying the person you lost your virginity to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 06:14 AM
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That's what RP is, men getting their shit together. Also consider that women's lib had male allies and support that helped get their goals achieved. Men today have no such allies or support.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 06:13 AM
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How can you say divorce rape is a strawman when divorce stands at a roughly 50% rate and women initiate roughly 70% of divorces?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 06:09 AM
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You hang out with some real shitty people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 08:29 PM
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Divorce is a good thing Not fpor the person getting divorced raped. Frustrated males like TRPs, MGTOWs, and all the other crap that wants to oppress women can fuck off, they have no right to make a woman miserable just because they're disgusting inferior pieces of shit who think they're entitled to another human. You are not entitled to women. You are not entitled to other people, and the fact those men delude themselves into thinking they are entitled to women, who are other people, to the poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 08:28 PM
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The difference between frustrated males and frustrated females is that the former causes more problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 06:52 PM
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Let me ask you something, your sincere and honest opinion, do you think men being emotional at this point in time is really doing them a service? because if I were to wage a bet I'd bet that being emotional is still a hindrance for men, especially when it comes to sexual strategy. Alpha Fucks aren't exactly known to be the romantic lovey-dovey type.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 12:32 AM
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but in the real world, that's not true, Tell that to the guys who've been burned after being emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 10:19 PM
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Women no longer need a provider Does that mean they're suddenly going to start finding poor schmucks who make less money than them attractive? Younger generations want to be fulfilled by their jobs and have more freedom with less focus on money. You're saying they'd be happy with mediocre jobs that pay shit as long as they're free and happy? You seem to forget that it costs money to be "free and happy".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 10:15 PM
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It's normal for men to have emotions but it's also important to be stoic and keep those emotions in check, we can't allow it to visibly affect us, men must be must the strong rock weathering against the storm and be able to deal with the shit life throws at them, this is what "holding frame" is. The mainstream feminist narrative is that men should express more emotion, but when men do express emotion it comes back to bite them in the ass, their wive/girlfriends despise them for how weak and unma…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:42 PM
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I couldn't tell you how common or uncommon it is, all I know is that divorce is rampant and historically men have been known to marry diwn and women to marry up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:19 PM
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Unrestricted female sexuality leads to social ills like rampant divorce and single motherhood. It also leads to a surplus of frustrated males who have a hard time dealing with their lot in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:17 PM
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How is TRP cruel towards men and does them a disservice?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:13 PM
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What do you mean? you're basically saying "female strategy is just as natural as male strategy so it's fair and normal". RP is about realizing that things like this because for one strategy to succeed the other has to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:47 PM
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In that case you're right, but like I said, the two closely mingle and go hand in hand so they're often treated interchangeably. Soda.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:45 PM
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Low-end betas who are the only type of guys those women can get to commit. No one wants to be lonely and even women can get desperate and settle for garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:43 PM
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So you're essentially agreeing with the overall RP assertion that the sexual strategies are inherently at odds with one another and RP/manosphere are natural reactions to unrestrained female hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:42 PM
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Society was kept in check and civilization was built upon it. Like I said, it wasn't a perfect system and also consider that even men were not all that attracted to their wives, and certainly not every man was capable of having a lover or mistress on the side, that was something that an affluent Duke or Count could pull off easily but not so much for the poor fisherman with a pegged leg and missing teeth, so it's not like every woman was being cheated on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:39 PM
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38% of American households have women outearning the man. I wonder how many of those men are attractive, confident men with a good dose of alpha traits and how many of them are docile, supplicating betas on a leash asking to be let outside to take a piss while sitting down.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:35 PM
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It's not "splitting hairs" -- hypergamy is an entirely separate concept from promiscuity. As topics of discussion you could say that Pepsi and Sprite are completely different soda but they are treated interchangeably as "soda". Women cheating on her husband for someone better is classified as being hypergamous, but she's also being promiscuous by sleeping with men other than her husband, and a woman who's not tied down by anyone but still sleeps around with a bunch of men is mainly being promisc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:32 PM
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It wasn't exactly a cakewalk for men. Men were (and still are) expected to take a bullet for the fair maiden, to work dangerous jobs, to go off to war, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:18 PM
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This is good for men who want to pursue less lucrative paths. I forgot to address this. You make it sound as though it's common for women to marry "down". They don't. They almost always marry "up" which actually sort of reinforces my original point of men and their traditional seats of power...I just find it hard imagining a woman making 125K/year be attracted to a guy making 40K a year, assuming the dude had beta looks and a beta personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:52 PM
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maybe the start is getting a reality check. That's what guys feel like they're doing when they read RP. It's not like the mainstream feminist media cares about men or their issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:39 PM
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Given the way sexual dynamics work and how women are always getting approached by men, you'd be surprised at how many women actually do hold out for their Christian Grey unicorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:37 PM
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It is meaningless, you haven't proven why it's relevant or applicable. It's relevant because it's the underlying reason why there's 'slut shamming' and the arguments for it, why women feel like they shouldn't be slut shammed, why guys want to be players, etc.. In any case, you're switching goalposts. Before it was polygamy/hypergamy. Now it's male promiscuity/female promiscuity. I'm using the terms interchangeably, and in pill world discussion I think most people get the same idea behind the ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:34 PM
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It cuts the point across clearly as to why female promiscuity and male promiscuity are different and judged accordingly. You can't just call it "meaningless" because it's inconvenient to your world view.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:13 PM
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can you really call guys who are into morbidly obese women 'outliers' when there are porn websites specializing in BBW and feeding fetishes that rake in millions and have tons of subscribers? morbidly obese women can literally have sex for a living, there are that many men who seek them out. Unfortunately too many guys are thirsty saps and will fuck anything with a hole. Another thing to take into consideration is that for a lot of guys who like BBW porn they may intentionally restrict their fet…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:11 PM
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So you understand now why some guys feel that working to be a "high beta" is a zero-sum gamble and not guaranteed to produce the kind of life they want? not when more attractive "lower class" men can easily cause your lady to feel the tingles and branch-swing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:07 PM
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because believe it or not there are plenty of guys who are not Chads who don't want to be forced to marry and provide for someone they don't want to marry. Sure, but they also want to take part in casual sex, that's where the open SMP doesn't benefit them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:05 PM
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Yeah as I said just because something is easy doesn't mean it's bad. Some people can get a high GPA without any work at all. Biology dictated that it's "bad" for women because risk of pregnancy and such, it's not "bad" for men because we're supposed to fuck around and spread the seeds. Just because it's difficult doesn't mean it's necessary good. It's difficult to pull off a really good bank robbery, but nobody's going to respect that. Are you saying that female promiscuity isn't bad but male pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:03 PM
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None of what you just said has made me any less weary of marriage. You admit that assets get consolidated yet still think marriage is a good idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 06:48 PM
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I think that feminism helped a lot of people including men who aren't traditionally masculine Please tell me how feminism has helped men who aren't traditionally masculine? because plenty of self-described feminists still seek out the alpha type guys who fuck them like ragdolls while rolling their eyes at the lovey-dovey beta guys trying to romance them. Assume that 50% of the population are women and 50% are men. If the open SMP benefits women and the top 20% of men, it benefits 60% of people, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 06:44 PM
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My point is you don't see women lining up to become garbage collectors, coal miners or sewer workers...notice how they only want "equality" when it comes to the lucrative careers like CEOs, doctors, lawyers, bankers, and scientists. They have no qualms allowing men to keep doing the "dirty" work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 06:17 PM
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Most incels admit they don't want to date a fat girl. You'll also hear some incels say that they in fact go out of their way to approach ugly fat women and still get rejected because those women are looking for a guy with broad shoulders and abs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 06:13 PM
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I'm sure they can. I was only making a point that college educated women from affluent backgrounds can still get tingles from "lower class" men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 06:11 PM
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A key that can open any lock is a master key, a lock that can be opened by any key is a shitty lock.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 06:10 PM
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Can you really cal these women 'outliers' when whenever there's a mass shooting or bombing, it never fails that the perps (if they are captured alive) end up receiving love letters from a lot of women. Ted Bundy was getting love letters and even getting laid in prison during conjugal visits even after he was convicted of heinous crimes, the surviving Boston bomber has a loyal female fan base; girls who say he's just so 'misunderstood', and that crazy guy in Norway who shot up that youth camp get…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 06:07 PM
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Sorry that happened to you man. Women can be such cunts and society gives them a "you go girl!" pass, and then people wonder why there's so much hate and hostility towards women and feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:54 PM
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Isn't it more like the fat landwhales want nothing less than a top% Chad? They refuse to date guys of their equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:51 PM
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unless he was a wealthy supermodel That's how men's SMV increases with age. And frankly, plenty of guys in their 30s and up would prefer the young coeds (even if most of them are just looking for sugar daddies) over the older post-wall women who are more likely to be bitter and jaded.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:48 PM
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Are 'bad' alpha traits really 'bad' though if they don't prevent a guy from getting laid? in fact actually make him more attractive compared to the polite, meek dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:44 PM
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But men's SMV increases with age (provided that a guy has his shit together and doesn't let himself go), men aren't hindered by limited reproductive years the way women are. So even as a guy ages, if he has his shit together he'll always be more attractive than a woman of his equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:42 PM
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Why are you making an exception for male polygamy then? I keep repeating myself in this thread - men and women's sexual strategies are different, meaning they're held to different standards. Men have always been polygamous because biologically it's expected of them to be polygamous and spread their seed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:40 PM
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I am sure the mid-40s fat man Nope. Can't be fat. RP tells guys that they must be in top physical shape in they want to be in the top % of men. Having a solid career helps, but guys need to be wary because that opens them up to be targeted by gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:38 PM
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Seriously? lol that was a hilarious comparison. Women don't go on mass shootings because there's always some thirsty sap willing to wife them up, that doesn't happen for men, lonely and rejected guys are going to remain lonely and rejected which is why they're the ones who lose their shit and start shooting people. So women couldn't get the hot bad boy to commit...boo fucking hoo...guys can't even get fat landwhales to go on a coffee date with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:35 PM
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Men are still held to their traditional roles. Guys are still expected to be tough, manly, and stoic. They're still excepted to maintain the city sewers, pick up your garbage bins, repair the power lines, run into a burning building, etc. They're also still expected to treat women as princesses ("can't hit a girl!") even though women are free and encouraged to completely shit on men. Men are "bitching" because they're calling out your hypocritical bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:32 PM
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Uh, they kind of are the norm..wide spread single motherhood has been widely observed. Just google it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:28 PM
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Women don't work and she's lazy. Most guys don't really care if she's uneducated, they don't mind her being a SAHM...because this is how it traditionally was. It's common for men to date down the ladder because that's how it usually was.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:01 PM
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It surely must be a subconscious factor. On a biological level, our entire purpose on this floating rock is to fuck and reproduce. The Issac Newton's of the world who died virgins and were totally unphased by it are extremely rare to the point of practical non-existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:59 PM
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It requires no skill or effort to open your legs and be a cumdumpster for half the rugby team, meanwhile for guys it does take skill and effort to be a player and have harems of women. That's the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:56 PM
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None of this is leading to anything good. If you truly believe that unrestrained female hypergamy must triumph above all else, including social stability and order then you get what you sow, which is more and more men deciding that they don't owe shit to society and in fact may even want to actively harm it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:51 PM
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Breeding with deadbeat losers and spawning bastard children who grow up in single parent and dysfunctional households, grow up to be maladjusted adults. Sure, it's great.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:48 PM
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Well, women have their own lives to live. Can't be bothered with these losers Until one of them decides to take it out on you or others, at which you'll expect your white knights to come to your rescue.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:46 PM
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It wasn't exactly a glorious time for men either. Men were expected (and still are) to take a bullet for the fair maiden.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:45 PM
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It almost sounds like the sexual strategies of men and women are at odds with each other, doesn't it? RP make that point clearly,
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:42 PM
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It about being respected (and wanted) as a man and not taken for a ride.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:41 PM
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Either way the end result remains: Betas are unattractive. Be an alpha fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:39 PM
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Their entire reaction to RP and male sexual strategy is telling. This is about sexual power. They want men to remain in a shitty position.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:32 PM
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I'm not sure what the solution is, but I know it isn't to let an entire generation of men flounder.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:30 PM
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Unrestrained female hypergamy causes problems. Men of past generations realized this which is why they put into place the rules and structures that they did. They knew what they were dealing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:28 PM
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Having a degree makes one attractive, it's one of the underlying reasons why men go to school even if it's mostly on a subconscious level.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:25 PM
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Being beta to any form of degree is a hindrance if left unchecked, it's always better to have more alpha than beta traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:24 PM
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The guy in question usually takes the 'scraps'. Why? Because he has no choice. It is how it works. If you are not attractive enough, you get to pay more. Same way as you get to pay more money for your education if you are not smart/talented enough to get a full scholarship. It's perfectly fair. Screw that. Non-alpha guys are getting a shit deal by having to wife up a post-CC ridding cumdumpster in order to have a reasonable shot. Why should they be content with having to settle for table scraps?…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:23 PM
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I'm simply making the case as to why guys aren't finding it worth it to be studious, educated, and successful because those things by themselves don't spark women's tingles in the new SMP. Being an edgy "bad boy" does though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:50 PM
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There wasn't an open SMP and hookup culture in the past, meaning that while guys were mainly BB they weren't left out in the cold, the new SMP is one that leaves a surplus of guys unable to compete.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:45 PM
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Feminism opened the floodgates of an open SMP and hookup culture, but it only benefits women and top % Chads and alphas.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:42 PM
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For most women the perfect man is a mix of alpha and beta traits. But those guys are hard to find hence why women practice hypergamy and AFBB.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:40 PM
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When a surplus of men lose out, it causes problems because they become jaded and demotivated to work, and they turn to things like TRP that basically tell them to let the world burn. Just because these guys are invisible to you doesn't mean the problems don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:37 PM
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Beta guys hate being the guy she eventually "settles" for...he's good enough for marriage/LTR but not good enough to be her casual lover on the side...the latter guy is AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:34 PM
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I'm saying its hard for women to find a guy who's both attractive and successful hence why women practice hypergamy and AFBB.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:31 PM
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How's that working out for ya? We're effectively breeding an entire generation of misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:30 PM
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Tsk tsk...I know its hard for you to sympathize with men and their problems, but its not a good idea to let an entire generation of men flounder because then it's a net loss for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:28 PM
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Because runaway hypergamy is really doing wonders for society, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:24 PM
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The masculinity crisis I'm talking about revolves around the fact that many guys are running around with their heads cut off, unsure of themselves, no sense of direction or life goals, no sense of identity, feeling like they're redundant and disposable, full of insecurities, full of depression and suicide. Living in a toxic anti-male culture that tells them they are privileged shit lords doesn't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:22 PM
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They care about both because they want that BB to fall back on once they have their fill of AF and riding the CC, most women would prefer if they had a guy with the perfect combination of AF and BB traits but those guys are rare so women practice their AFBB strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:17 PM
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I'm not sure how you figure Gosling, Elba, or Rodgers are "high betas", they could easily screw other men's wives if they wanted to which would make them alpha fucks. Ben Rapeyberger Didn't they prove that was bullshit?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:13 PM
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Because the sexual strategies if men and women are different, men were given a pass in being promiscuous because in a way it was expected...because not every guy could have mistresses in the side even if he wanted to, meanwhile it's extremely easy for women to sleep around hence why slut shamming has always existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:05 PM
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Wait, you're saying that guys wanting to get laid have a defective gene that needs to die off? That doesn't make sense, if that'd happen then we'd all be in trouble because then we'd die off - the male drive for pussy is www hat motivates guys into being ambitious and strive to be contributing and productive citizens.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 02:55 PM
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So then why did traditional guys ger married? Why was it expected of them to get married and be providers?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:15 AM
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Okay, well, that's the purpose behind RP: be the kind of guy who gets fun casual sex with little investment, not the guy who has to offer a relationship to get sex that becomes lackluster down the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:13 AM
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When it comes to wanting a stable partner of course they want a guy who's of higher status and earns more than them...but only after they're done riding the alpha cock-carousel where being smart and educated doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:09 AM
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Are you saying that the patriarchy created this mess of a surplus of ineffective and unattractive males? I already mentioned elsewhere that the traditional model wasn't a perfect system but it achieved it served its purpose of creating order and balance, and much as you'd like to characterize beta and ineffective, the fact remains that too many guys have been raised with the wrong information for this to be a coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:05 AM
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Being a beta is a hindrance in the open SMP, it's where the AFBB idea comes from. You can call it caricature but the fact is being a beta sucks in this SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:37 AM
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Women are biologically attracted to the badboy (or use any other label you want here) type. This means they were never attracted to dependable-providers in the first place. I can agree with this, and this is what we're seeing in the open SMP with 80/20 and women being hypergamous. Back in the past, women were not happy (in the sexual sense) with their reliable provider. They were in unfulfilling marriages held together by prudence, not love/lust. And honestly, I don't think this was very satisfy…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:36 AM
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You're strawmanning hardcore. You're painting it as a caricature which is not a good way to debate unless you're trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:15 AM
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So men went from having it easier to having it harder - but the genders are more balanced now. One gender is whining about the higher level of equality, one is celebrating it. Overall impact on happiness of humanity? Nothing? Men opting out en masse helps nobody. Nice fiction here. Plenty of actual research (e.g. not Manosphere anecdotal BS) suggests that women are attracted to all kinds of men and attributes of men. I wish you luck finding attraction research which suggests that "bad boy types"…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:14 AM
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Is that a joke? can't tell you how many young college educated women I come across who bang the blue-collared bad boy from across the tracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:04 AM
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The complaint I always hear is that smart men with solid careers are so hard to come by. Because men are demotivated. Why should they spend so much money and so many hours getting a degree when their future wifey is going to hypergamous and branch-swing anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:00 AM
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To be fair, I originally wanted for this to be a discussion-flair thread, but because of the way I worded the post I figured the mods would want it to be CMV so I labeled it as such and I am indeed expressing a personal opinion so CMV was probably the best choice. That being said, I'm open to having my mind changed, but thus far most RP-critics don't seem to offer solid alternative to the sexual strategy that RP offers. How is anyone supposed to debate if you give no reason behind your views? Te…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:58 AM
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I think a lot of guys are using their beta, provider qualities when theyre just trying to get laid. This is probably because guys who aren't alpha-inclined have to use deceptive tactics to get laid casually, otherwise they're taken for a ride and treated as the BBs that they are. For these guys, playing the BB-card to get laid is a form of sexual strategy. Last night I was at a party and there was a guy who was clearly projecting "I am a nice guy" all over the place, at a first meeting. Was he t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:54 AM
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Men are not going in droves to become extreme alpha fuck, dark triad convicts looking to fuck shit up. They may not be doing that in droves, but many of them are indeed opting out altogether by becoming anti-social recluses and not produce anything for society, so they essentially become social burdens which may not be quite on the same level as becoming a Machiavellian shark but it still bears a cost on society who has to find a way to deal with demotivated, unproductive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:45 AM
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the "beta providers" of yesteryear weren't a bunch of fat, disheveled schlubs. they were well-groomed and well-dressed. they maintained their appearance and had to be socially savvy to have a career. nowadays you can have a successful career in IT or something similar and be literally none of the above. Strawmanning. Not all beta-inclined guys are disheveled neckbeards, plenty of them have their heads on straight, take care of their appearance, and are reasonably adjusted..they still get taken f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:42 AM
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You being up a good point, but still, an open SMP is producing a lot of problems, problems that society at large still has a issue with talking about openly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:39 AM
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So you're married, you do realize that in some places even though you have separate bank accounts the courts will treat both of your assets as a single entity which means he'll be entitled to some of your assets and vice versa...that's the kind of vulnerable shit I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:35 AM
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I keep hearing this 'high beta' thing..that sounds like hasmtering to me..("yeah you're a beta, but you can be a better beta!")...guys don't want to be any form of beta because betas get leftovers and table scraps.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:33 AM
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But what I'm saying is for guys who don't have an attractive alpha persona their education and careers don't really mean anything, not in an open SMP like ours where hookup culture is prevalent. A BB will never be as attractive as an AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:25 AM
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Children are a pain in the ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:44 AM
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why bring kids into it? most people in general are having less children and more guys are expressively turning away from fatherhood outright. As for insurance, it's just smart policy to have your own independent insurance and not having to rely on someone else in case you get sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:57 AM
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It just gives her more leverage to legally bind me somehow. IN the U.S. some states have cohabitation laws - if you've been living together after an x amount of time you're legally considered married and a breakup could be treated as a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:50 AM
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I'm getting laid all the time at the moment and Im not a bad boy by any stretch. I just look good, and know when to make my moves. Also, I just say I'm not looking for anything serious ASAP and this prevents people getting ideas otherwise. Im genuinely not looking for anything serious, just fun, maybe just this makes me Alpha? Guys who've playing by the outdated playbook missed the memo that because the beta provider is no linger something you can fall back on, they actually had to develop inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:48 AM
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But you're contradicting yourself. Men aren't just a walking ATM for women if the women are also making money for themselves. Just because someone makes their own money doesn't mean they still can't be manipulative, conniving, a golddigger, liar, cheater, and thief.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:40 AM
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if you both made your own money there shouldn't be a need to "share" money in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:37 AM
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There are plenty of woman who have careers and want to get married as well. Yeah, they want to get married to alphas, but alphas don't offer commitment, so they get the next best thing they could get which is a thirst beta who will wife up anything with a hole; she marries the beta because the guy provides emotional comfort, not necessarily because she's intoxicated from pussy tingles. What if they want children and a family? Guys are having that taken away from them in divorce rape. There are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:32 AM
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I don't like the idea of 'sharing' money at all, including her sharing money her money, merging bank accounts is just a terrible idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:10 AM
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Guys don't want to be taken for a ride by women who are looking for a walking ATM and not a lover.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 02:58 AM
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Because then maybe instead of treating men as disposable utilities and as actual humans beings with natural human needs and desires, then there wouldn't be so much hate and misogyny being spewed at women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 02:57 AM
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Well it happens a lot, and the result in a lot of guys developing bitter and hostile attitudes towards women. Maybe women out there need to have more empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 02:01 AM
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No one has ever been put into prison for being called a creep. Being called a creep can ruin one's reputation though. If a guy asks a girl out and she finds it necessary to not only call him a creep but spread the word among friends and social circles so that the guy's image is damaged which further hurts his chances at asking out any of her or mutual friends, at that point people will have i this inaccurate and unfair image of him so he can no longer establish a footing in that social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 12:15 AM
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It's usually socially awkward guys who are repetitive. I find this surprising. I would have thought socially awkward guys would be be too timid to even ask a woman out just one time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 06:50 PM
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Clubs are places where people go to dance, drink, and have a good time. I feel like this is all just female hamstering..women know damn well that clubs and bars are places where guys are going to try and hookup with you, this whole "we only go there to dance" is just bullcrap. If it was really about just going there to drink and dance why doll yourself up and dress provocatively? because you like the attention, it validates your egos, yet you hamster to it to "Oh we just like to drink and dance"…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 06:36 AM
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Right. Therefore a woman can't be 'incel'.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 08:57 PM
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More like women have an inflated sense of their own sexual league.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 08:56 PM
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Rejecting guys who hit on you means is your inceldom is self-imposed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 07:57 PM
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There needs to be an active movement of men moving to/essentially purchasing wives from the Phillipines, Ukraine, and other poor, traditionalist nations. There needs to be subreddits offering exact information and relationship advice to these people. I never quite understood this argument. It's like I get the idea behind 'purchasing' a wife from a poor third world country and why such a woman would be a far cry from the entitled and bitchy attitude of Western girls, but it never made much sense …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 08:24 AM
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lol look who's talking? one of the biggest trolls around here. Yeah there's a lot of nerd rage round here, so what? this is what you signed up for when joining the forum to discuss RP which is about male issues and sexual strategy. This sub is a reaction to the TRP sub which itself is a reaction to the modern SMP and hookup culture. So of course there are going to be emotional guys here. Don't see why that should be such a shocking surprise. People like you just come here to troll mostly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 08:11 AM
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He can be outgoing and very charming when he wants to be. So can I, but I haven't experienced a windfall of success upon turning on the 'outgoing' button..I'm of the opinion that introversion (not awkwardness! you're right the two things are not exactly the same thing) will usually be a disadvantage by default in the modern hookup culture. Someone mentioned in another thread that being quiet and introverted by itself is enough for people to label you as 'lame' or 'boring', it's unfortunate but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 07:51 AM
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wait, you actually got away and thrived from ogling at woman's breasts? lol, man that definitely can't be the norm. You must be a good looking guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 07:42 AM
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How do you know that? he's quiet and introverted, that right there puts him at a disadvantage in the hookup culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 05:25 AM
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So unattractive men are creeps by default of being unattractive? No wonder so many of them are unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 04:39 AM
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women who claim to be 'incel' often still have guys who hit on them or ask them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 04:38 AM
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Sounds about right for you to form that reasonable guess, it must comforting for you knowing that he's the type of guy who couldn't rack up a high N-count if he wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 04:38 AM
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how do you know his N-count is less in terms of quantity if you don't know his exact number?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 03:52 AM
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Of course it's important, but again I'm saying being a good looking Chad means you often get a pass on not being so social savvy. A Chad would have to be a complete social retard to for it to be a hindrance, meanwhile there are guys who are in fact very social but still get called creeps because they may not be the best looking guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 03:30 AM
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What we're discussing is men being called creeps without having done anything to deserve the label and how this plays a role in the SMP. I'm not seeing how it's irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 03:27 AM
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Creepiness and judging someone for it is not the same as music tastes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 03:24 AM
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Sure, time and place are relevant, but Chads often still get passes regardless if he's hitting on her in a club or a grocery store. Your ability to discern time and place is secondary, your looks largely determine on whether you're going to get away with it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 03:21 AM
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Don't be ridiculous. Obviously no one is going to "force" women to do anything, I'm saying women should be called out bullshit though. That's no the same as "forcing" anything onto someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 03:18 AM
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Yes, women as the objects, not subjects. Are you saying that I look at women as objects? I. Don't. Give. A. Shit. This is another one of those points that are completely irrelevant to the discussion,if you're interested. How is it irrelevant? if guys are mad that they're being called 'creeps' without intending to be creepy then that makes it relevant to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 03:16 AM
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Explain to me how people like my alpha buddy can say things like "Look at that ass" or "I bet you like it rough" and have women eat it all up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 03:13 AM
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To be expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 03:10 AM
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"Acting like a creep" all depends on how she interprets the interaction so it carries little weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 03:10 AM
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Are you aware of the setting you are in? What is she actually doing when you are going to talk to her? Are you interrupting her? Is she somewhere that a random stranger coming to talk to her might be alarming? For the sake of argument lets say this takes place in a nightclub where one can expect that sort of thing to happen. Is it still creepy? And most importantly, is there a reason you should approach her in the first place? Have you established eye contact and determined that there is mutual …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 03:06 AM
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Still smells like horseshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 03:02 AM
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Who cares, if I ignored it it's because it was so irrelevant that there was no point in even replying. That hilarious. If you can't even post it then it makes me inclined to believe that you're full of shit. Who cares, it's not the point. We're talking about men. Right, men who are approaching women and getting called creeps for it. Yes, obviously. It's not exactly an admission, it's fairly obvious that I think that. Men and women are playing different games, how can you not see that? So then wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 03:02 AM
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You mean to tell me that shy girls don't have guys hitting on them? shyness as a hindrance is male thing, not female.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 02:56 AM
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If creep often depends on context and a person's emotional state it doesn't make it valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 02:55 AM
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No, I haven't. If you insist that I am, explain it to me then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 02:41 AM
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I've ignored anything where it's clear that you're not trying to make a point, but just ranting. Like what? This is entirely untrue. You must have not come across one of those posts then. Sure, but they might be the losers of their league. They might be just as good-looking but be lame and generally uninteresting. You play within/below your league but that doesn't mean you're going to be successful within it. Play within your league, but what about when women refuse to play within their own leag…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 02:37 AM
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Tell me, what kind of an incel-related question/topic would warrant being allowed in the main forum and not in the sticky thread? basically an incel-post that wasn't circlejerky.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 02:14 AM
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You guys don't get what "creepy" You're shamming. I can tell you what it not is, it's not simply walking up to a girl and saying "hi, what's your name?" which to a lot of girls is enough for a guy to be a 'creep'
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 02:10 AM
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What you just described sounds more like a caricature of an incel discussion rather than a discussion that talks about incel theories and why incel exists. If it was really about a select few people who kept bitching and whining that's one thing, but to me at least the incel topics were more about inceldom in itself and factors surrounding it, not so much about individual posters lamenting about their lives. At least that's how I remember it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 02:08 AM
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I'm saying those "feelings" are irrational and based don horseshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 02:04 AM
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Because it is an emotion. Those emotions suck. We scold children when they have an irrational fear. We should do the same for women. Chad is interesting and attractive, I would love it if he hit on me and touched me. Often times Chad just won the genetic lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 02:00 AM
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Tinder's the same thing as the club, probably worse even. They aren't looking for a relationship, they just want to have sex. Yet the fatties still feel like they can get fucked by Chad with abs, no fat guy in his right mind can realistically expect to pick up a slim hottie from the club yet you have fat girls going there thinking "I better not be hit on by creeps". Yeah, all games have winners and losers right? This particular game is slanted to a degree where it's extremely easy for a lot of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 01:56 AM
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Maybe a successful, older virgin, a Ralph Nader type, could write an article in the New York Times or something. Show people that have found happiness without romance. Just that statement by itself is a very bitter and depressing pill to swallow. The idea that you need romance to be happy is such an incredibly harmful piece of bullshit. We're human. Everyone - everyone - wants to be feel desirable, everyone wants to have a sexual partner, everyone wants to be in a relationship at some point...to…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 01:38 AM
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Also, we have no societal niche for those that fail at the SMP. People like this could easily be encouraged to take occupations that don't mesh well with relationships and families. Honestly I don't know how that would help, it may only make it worse. At that point we'd basically be saying "yeah, you guys aren't ever going to be good enough to compete in the SMP, here are some jobs you can do to hopefully make you happy" I don't see that going over too well. Like I said, it's a tricky issue to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 01:25 AM
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I seriously doubt this is the case most of the time. Most guys would be happy to settle with a plane jane, and you even have guys who are proud chubby chasers, so I don't buy the whole "guys are shooting out of their league" crap because imo it's just not happening on the same level as women shooting above their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 01:20 AM
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I wasn't the one who originally started performing the mental gymnastics though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 01:18 AM
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Can you explain this or show me? "Ugh, today I got hit on by some creep.." goes on to give some exaggerated story how how a guy was being "creepy" when if one were to see what actually happened they'd see that all that happened was a poindexter type guy mustered up the courage to talk to a girl, maybe fidgeted and fumbled his words a bit, and she was so disgusted by non-Chadliness that it warranted the creep label. If the woman thinks that it is creepy, then it is creepy. It is more about the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 01:15 AM
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Either they're over-estimating how attractive they are, or they're in the right league but she's just not interested for whatever reason. There's no way to know that the girl who's rejecting you is holding out for 'Chad'. Tinder might give you an idea. There are fatties on there who openly state that they want a tall guy with biceps and abs. Totally normal guys who decide to hit on drunk, rude girls at the club. What are you expecting, seriously. Real life is not the same. It is either the case …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 01:09 AM
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Out of curiously, in what way is the incel topic "beating a dead horse" to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 12:46 AM
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Well, for one if a woman is physically assaulting a man she should be called out for being an aggressive bitch instead of all of this "You go girl!" praise when she kicks a dude in the balls. And guys who are being hit shouldn't have any reservations about plummeting a cunt's face into a bloody pulp if she hits him, nor should there be an army of pussy-whipped whiteknights ready to defend the worst of female behavior. In short, actually treat women as equals (as in treat them as we would treat a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 12:44 AM
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The chads that I know have openly said that to women. Women's reaction? they'd blush, laugh, then say "thanks!"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 12:39 AM
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It's a tricky thing to deal with. We're talking about sex and relationships, arguably the most fundamental of human acts and one that involves deep feelings. As a society we're uncomfortable talking about the SMP the way we talk about it here, because to do so would mean we'd have to address the sexual losers that the SMP inevitably produces. We'd have to talk about why there are so many incels, what makes someone incel, etc, we'd have to confront some unpleasant truths like how much physical at…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 12:37 AM
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If the topic kept getting posted then people obviously wanted to discuss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 12:29 AM
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Female incels exist by their own choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 12:29 AM
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It's part of the process of becoming RP. They're venting out their anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 12:21 AM
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All the more reason why the label is bullshit then and guys shouldn't be taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 12:13 AM
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Sidestepping the conversation. Cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 12:12 AM
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Well if you're plainly average and you're trying to hit on hot girls then it sort of is your fault. What about when guys do hit on girls within their own league but continue to encounter girls who only want Chads? But you made them feel sexually threatened. They can't help that, they've seen this guy who obviously doesn't understand some basic social etiquette and thinks he's good looking enough to have sex with her when he absolutely isn't. That makes women uncomfortable and most guys understan…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 12:11 AM
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It's double standard bs that still needs to be called out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:59 PM
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It is very very easy to turn off a woman and we all have our turn offs Of course it is. If a guy is wearing the wrong colored shoes that's enough for a dealbreaker. If a guy sneezes at wrong moment it's a dealbreaker. If a guy makes a joke that's just slightly off timed it's a dealbreaker. If a guy shows any degree of nervousness on a first date it's a dealbreaker. Sure seems like you ladies have a lot of dealbreakers, don't ya? It almost seems like you want nothing less than the ultimate prince…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:57 PM
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Fine. I'll give you that. But what about when a guy has a drink immediately thrown onto him when he musters up the courage to say hi to a girl he likes or gets explicitly told to fuck off loud enough and in front of everyone to ensure that he's humiliated?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:47 PM
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So many low-SMV women who feel like they deserve a 7+ guy out there while rejecting most men who actually are in their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:45 PM
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If the creep label is thrown around casually and only used in contextual situation that loses it's 'validity' weight for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:43 PM
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Look around you, very few men look like that and yet they are still apparently smashing HB10s if you believe the TRP field reports which I do not So should I believe non-GQ models are out smashing HB10s or not? and a majority of men in relationships do not look like GQ models. Relationships. No way of telling how satisfactory those relationships are, and isn't it telling that most men who don't look like model sort of have to get into relationships to get sex? Women love GQ models as much as gay…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:41 PM
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When it comes to creep shamming everything is going to be anecdotal because it's not like there's an official government classification on what makes someone a "creep" or not. Even women here are saying that all it takes is for them to not feel right about a guy to warrant him being called a creep.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:36 PM
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I'm guessing these guys did so playfully and charismatically, with a sense of humor. So did the non-Chad guys. Yet they still get called creeps.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:35 PM
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If a guy you found attractive was making crude and sexual jokes toward you, you'd probably be inclined to give him a pass because you find him attractive. BUt when someone who you don't care for makes those same remarks it suddenly makes you creeped out. It's all depending on your feelz. That's the whole point of my post. I'm saying women's feels in this regard is bullshit. It's bullshit because how they personally feel shouldn't have any weight on what's actually true. Why should a guy be made …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:33 PM
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You claim not only can attractive men get away with what is traditionally creepy behavior, but that women are turned on by said behavior. That they love being objectified. Pay attention to this part: excusing something is not the same as liking something. They are two different words with two different meanings. Splitting at hairs aren't you? Women doling out their phone numbers and making arrangements to hookup with Chad after he says "creepy" shit sure seems to me that they "like" his behavior…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:26 PM
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to be fair there's the whole "don't shit where you eat" rule, being like that in a work environment is generally not a good idea. In the context of my post however I'm referring to guys who make those sort of comments in a non-work environment. Chad saying a woman has a sexy body in a bar is acceptable, non-Chad saying a woman has a sexy body is suddenly not okay even though both he and Chad are in the same bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:16 PM
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Just because it feels "true" to the person saying it doesn't make it objectively true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:13 PM
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and yet it's 'sexist' to point this out...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:12 PM
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"I know you are but what am I?" is not a valid argument/counterpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:11 PM
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But guys who are 4s who hit on other 4s also get the creep label thrown at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:11 PM
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That's nit what OP is addressing though. He's calling out the social hypocrisy on why older women wanting younger men is socially acceptable but older men wanting younger women is seen as predatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:08 PM
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Everything about modern feminism "You go girl!" girl power these days is all about double standards, it's about being pro-female while being anti-male. And feminists wonder why they get so much hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:06 PM
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lol not really. It actually proves the hypocrisy of modern feminism. Why aren't feminists doing anything to destroy those particular stereotypes? because it doesn't fit well into their agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:05 PM
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I do not want to live in a world that is a fascist safe space where people's opinions are going to be invalidated because it hurts another person's feelings. All I'm saying is that objectively should matter and just because someone is being called a 'creep' doesn't mean that they are in fact a 'creep'. I am not surprised at all and they are allowed to be "pissy" about it. They have every right to be angry about it and the women have every right to think they are creepy. Okay then, so why does TR…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:02 PM
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Attractive women also get away with outrageous acts. Sure, but the social pussy pass ensure that most women will get away with shit regardless of how they looks. Not all female teachers who sleep with their students are attractive, but almost all of them get lenient sentences/punishment for the same crimes that would land a man years in jail. Unattractive men are also allowed to be outrageous and sexist, what is stopping them? C'mon, really? No they're not. Guys can't even physically defend them…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:59 PM
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The way that women paint the picture makes it seem like guys are going out of their way to be gross and nasty, if all a guy is guilty of is saying hi then that doesn't make him a creep no matter how hard women try to hamster it in their brains that it is creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:54 PM
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Playing with words now, huh? Gotta love that hamstering and mental gymnastics you got going on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:52 PM
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So then it comes around to women being overly paranoid and zealous in their creep shamming, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:50 PM
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But ugly guys and attractive guys aren't the same. The fact that an ugly guy seemingly thinks he isn't ugly makes her think that he must think he has a shot at her, which is sexually threatening to her. It's even more threatening because he obviously lacks the social awareness to realise how out of his league she is, and that lack of social awareness could make things uncomfortable for her if he tries anything. You know, on one hand guys are told to be more confident and go out and approach girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:48 PM
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Sounds like you're projecting and strawmanning a lot. Sure there are guys who are genuinely unable to take a hint, but I'm talking about guys who are well adjusted but still get called creeps because they don't look like a GQ model.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:39 PM
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But I'm not really talking about guys who genuine suck at social interaction, I'm talking about guys who are decent socializers and can read cues, they're only pitfall is that they're average/non-Chads and so they are held to different standards on the basis of being non-Chad regardless of social ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:37 PM
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Sure, but it still doesn't change the attractive/average man double standard. A nerdy, non-muscular guy making a pass at women in a nightclub is called just as much of a creep as if he made a pass at women in a grocery store. Chad making a pass at women in a nightclub is received positively, Chad making a pass at women in a grocery is also received positively.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:34 PM
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No. No you haven't. You're telling me what I have or haven't heard now? Ok. Whatever you say pal. But you would be at least partially correct IMO if what you stated wasn't so god damn extreme. It's blatantly obvious that physical looks and perceived creepiness are strongly related. So what I said is both extreme and yet so blatantly obvious? basically what makes it "wrong" is that I said it in a way that triggers emotions but even though it's true? That's some major mental gymnastics going on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:34 PM
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did you completely miss my point? attractive guys can go about their way in the most sexist and outrageous way and get away with it regardless of context.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:34 PM
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But average/unattractive men get the creep label thrown for doing things that are not objectively 'creepy'.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:33 PM
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If someone makes an individual feel uneasy or scared, then that person who made them feel that way is going to be a creep or creepy guy to them. It really is not invalid. So you really think it's fair that dudes who are guilty of nothing more than saying hi get called a creep because it makes women feel uncomfortable? Sorry but that's double standard bullshit that needs to be called out. That is because it is welcome or tolerated from attractive men and unwelcome from unattractive men, especiall…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:33 PM
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You think you're brother is hot? Eww... Kidding aside, I bet your brother would find success on Tinder even if he made it clear in his profile that he's autistc and awkward. Numerous experiments have been conducted on this and the results are the same: if the dude is hot they wouldn't care if he's spergy, unemployed and sleeping on his friend's couch.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:14 PM
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So it's merely the choice of words that bother you? is "fertile" too spergy for your tastes? personally I don't really see how that would be much a of a dealbreaker, would it make any difference had the choice of words been more like "fit to have children"? Why do I get the feeling you're just conveniently moving these goalposts as we go along in the discussion...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:10 PM
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But it's bullshit if there's an objective and observable double standard at play. If guy A.) can get away with openly objectifying women, make crude comments and jokes, and in some cases even physically touch women, while guy B.) cannot get away with those same things and is in fact punished for doing them, it invalidates women's cry wolf "creep" accusation for me. It makes me inclined to take them less seriously when they accuse men of being "creeps".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 10:07 PM
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Lol my social circle has never been chads. I am an average person who hangs out with average people. What I'm saying is you and your circle are probbaly chads without realizing it. To you you guys are 'normal', you don't even notice anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 08:49 PM
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I don't see how that proves anything. He's saying that there's nothing wring with noticing the fertility if women, but you're saying that it's "creepy" to look for fertility...well I call bullshit on that. That's just more shamming coming from BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 08:10 PM
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Why is it that whenever fit and handsome Chads say stupid shit, the most lamest jokes, crude and sexist remarks, etc it never seems to be a hindrance in their ability to get laid? Women will laugh along with Chad no matter how lame, distasteful, or offensive his comments are. But of course whenever the average looking dork saying anything even remotely similar it's suddenly "Ugh today I got hit on by some sperg/creep". Sorry, but I call bullshit on your assertion that these guys are 'creepy' by …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 08:05 PM
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I'm skeptical of the common claim around here that most women are not into casual sex - that's bullshit imo. Women very much do enjoy casual sex as much as men, it's just hard to come by a man who can inspire the pussy tingles.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 07:51 PM
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Why do these outliers only seem to exists online, and of course it's telling that a lot of blue pillers describe social circles that consists of everything anti-thesis to RP. If your social circle(s) consists of chads then of course from your perception these guys getting casual sex on the reg is 'normal' when based on my IRL experiences the vast majority of guys are not riding a pussy carousel.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 07:45 PM
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Point is you still get hit on, you still get some guys to be interested in you, guys on your par in the looks department don't rarely if at all experience that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 07:40 AM
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Did you hear what he said? if both sexes has equal access to their respective carousels and the fact is that it is not equal, it is in fact lopsided and imbalanced. Only the top 20-10-5% guys are the ones hoping on a carousel..the vast majority of other men are not riding a carousel.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 07:35 AM
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only a few men are able to 'ride a pussy carousel', hence the 80/20 rule. Most women can sleep if thousands of men of they wanted to, its not the same for men so therefore no the carousels are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 07:12 AM
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The carousels are not the same because the sexual strategies of men and women are different, and again most women even the most plane/average looking women can easily hop on a carousel with little to no effort, this is not the case for guys, most guys are most certainly not riding a pussy carousel.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 12:48 AM
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Women fucking Chads and settling later on in their life. Apparently it's so horrible to ride this carousel and enjoy yourself. The ironic thing about this is, men ride the carousel with Staceys too. They want to fuck the loud party girl. But most guys are not riding a pussy carousel, because unlike women men can't just get sex at the drop of a hat. It's irritating that people keep comparing the cock-carousel to a 'pussy carousel' when the two are nowhere near the same. Just like nice guys, the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 10:44 PM
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Is there a reason why the mods here are being so blatant biased and hypocritical? dude admits he comes here to troll yet no one bothers to enforce rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 10:29 PM
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Because the latter makes people inclined to take you less seriously as a poster.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 10:52 PM
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And that vision is what exactly? More BP train of thought? Their bias against RP will only further push guys into red territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 08:10 PM
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So you admit that you're not here to discuss sexual strategy but rather you just want to be aggressive towards the reds because they hurt women's fee fees? Why not actually come up with an argument that challenges RP instead of just trolling the guys who follow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 08:07 PM
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To be fair this wasn't originally a CMV, I had set it for debate but mods took it upon themselves to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 05:00 PM
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How about you and I date each other so we can relieve each other's anger?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 04:38 PM
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RPers have offered plenty of reasons and anecdotes before for why RP works, but then Blues usually respond by saying something like "please post scientific links".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 04:36 PM
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Right, it makes their head spin.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 06:56 AM
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but it is obvious that the majority of their members do not actually do anything about their low SMV. You know this how? That's right, you're just strawmanning again, you want to believe that most RP guys are miserable lazy failures who refuse to take action but that's just not true. The guys who actually improve themselves don't stick around the obscure corners of the internet so you don't hear from them. Another trolly shitpost from chad's dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 05:38 AM
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Fix it? I don't think it can be fixed ("enjoy the decline"), but RP guys know that it's better to adapt even at the expense of women and their hurt feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 05:27 AM
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So then it just proves that BP is a bunch of horseshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 04:46 AM
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BP should get used to the anger and misogyny first before the other way around since RP is a reaction to the lopsided SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 04:44 AM
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The mods are anti-RP biased it seems
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 03:04 AM
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The sexism and misogyny is a perfectly normal reaction/emotion to feel in response to the current SMP. get use to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 03:03 AM
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You already take the time to troll on multiple accounts, if you're such a well adjusted individual why are you even on here so fascinated by other people's lives?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 12:27 AM
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Like in the way a sociopathic and sadistic child can't help being that because it's a child and doesn't know better?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 11:53 PM
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Most people do move on with their lives, hence why it's called an anger phase, I think it's important for people to realize that while RP tells guys that it's okay to feel angry it's not good to wallow in those emotions indefinitely because it's counter productive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 11:52 PM
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Just truing to get an idea of where anti-RP folks are coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 11:08 PM
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It's also perfectly OK to date multiple people at once before you jump into a relationship. in fact, that's healthy. being too quick to date the first person who kisses you is a sign of a codependent personality. Learn to date casually and find out what you want in a partner and, more importantly, what you dont want in a partner before you commit. Shit, just playing the field with no plans to get in a serious relationship is fine too. there's so much pressure in society to find The One™, but you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 11:07 PM
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No I'm saying that traditional PUA has always offended people, RP is no different in that it offends people but RP is different from traditional PUA so that must mean RP critics also have a more different and unique way of hating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 10:01 PM
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Is there anything about RP that you think is valid?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 09:58 PM
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That's another thing, why is RP singled out the way it is with regards to accusations of misogyny? It's not life misogyny has never existed before RP, and it's not like traditional PUA has never ruffled feathers before, so what makes RP so special that warrants it being called out the way it is compared to traditional "misogynistic" PUA that we've already seen before?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 09:48 PM
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I have mixed feelings about your post, on one hand I get what you're saying about belief systems and how a devout person can make themselves believe in something, on the other hand it seems like you're too focused on what you're seeing on thev TRP sub, RP thought extends beyond reddit and even the online manosphere altogether. I also get what you're saying about sheltered/introverted guys being shellshocked in a way when they come across RP. I get that, but what I'm addressing is RP critics bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 09:40 PM
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Why? I set it for debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 08:40 PM
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But then perhaps you could see why men would be hung up over high N-count in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/16 05:15 PM
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Average looking? Yes. Average personality? Probably not. Average weight in the US? Probably not. Dude, what the hell is an 'average personality'...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/16 05:09 PM
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Tell us how you were before.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/16 03:26 AM
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It's one thing to criticize the content of a post, it's another to make it into a personal attack without really addressing the post itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 06:23 PM
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There's always an excuse for women being selfish cunts, isn't there? "It's not my fault! I had a crappy childhood!"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 06:13 PM
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I'm only repeating to you what others have said. If you're deliberately choosing not to believe it because it paints women in a negative light then that's how you. You're intoxicated off of the Women are Wonderful effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 05:43 PM
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I find it hard to believe in the heat of the moment, when it gets to two people being physical, that a woman will stop everything and laugh because of a guy's size. There's that Women are Wonderful effect again, no one wants to believe that women can that maliciously cruel to a guy, but they most definitely can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 07:08 PM
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why would I make that up? why would those men make that up?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 05:57 PM
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Well, c'mon, how many men IRL are actually going to open up about something like that? even among close friends men won't talk about how a woman rejected them over their penis. I hear about these things mostly online, u/OncleJulian just responded saying that it happened to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 05:52 PM
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or they could just get their heads out of their asses, educate themselves, and realize that what they see in porn is nowhere near the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 05:49 PM
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Yeah, I'm starting to think that girth is actually more important than length.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 08:21 AM
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I'm not saying it's warping my mind, I'm totally capable of watching porn while knowing that what those guys are packing is not what an average penis looks like. I can't say the same for other people who watch porn though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 08:18 AM
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Curious, what does a 'fake nice guy' look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 07:14 AM
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You're right, men shouldn't fret over it too much, but for a lot of self-conscious guys it only takes hearing a few of those stores, or worse having it happen to themselves, for them to firmly believe that women want big dicks and they can't measure up. Maybe if there was more professional porn that featured actual normal sized dicks it would help dissolve the misperception that a 'normal' penis is supposed to look like an 8" snake with the girth of a soda can.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 07:01 AM
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I'm only repeating what other men have said, the cases are probably in the minority but they still happen from what I've heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 06:51 AM
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I guess it looks like people being willing to question their preconceived notions regarding the SMP and maybe be open to the possibility of having their views changed, that's what a debate is, but as I mentioned to u/DrunkGirl69 most people don't seem to be very interested in debate and instead spend their time hurling insults at the other side for having a different opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 06:48 AM
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I guess not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 06:44 AM
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(i) it seems very odd that you would conclude that porn has warped women's minds primarily, considering women pay far, far, far less attention to porn than men. I've always wondered where people get this information that women don't watch porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 06:41 AM
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Oh, make no mistake, it's warped women's minds too. There are plenty of stories reported by men who hookup with a woman and later when the clothes come off she laughs at his 5-6" dick because it's 'small'. Women watch porn as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 06:29 AM
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The thing is, a lot of women will look at an average sized penis and deem it 'small' because it's not porn sized hung. Porn has warped a lot of minds regarding the look and size of penises.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 06:20 AM
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I can completely agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 05:21 AM
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Well, women throw tantrums all the time, isn't that how the feminist movement came to be? from women bitching and crying, kicking and screaming because they weren't getting what they wanted? and even after all these years when feminism has achieved it's original gals you still have women bitching and complaining about 'manspreading' and other stupid shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 12:17 AM
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Or at least, the alphas can take advantage of it and betas are complaining but no one really cares. But that's the thing, betas are looking around and seeing all the women and chads having the time of their lives while they the betas are expected to sit down and shut up, and keep the cogwheels of society oiled. We're seeming more betas drop off all together, why should they contribute to a society that seeks to squeeze them out of the SMP? Some would argue that an organized mob of angry, sexuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 12:15 AM
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I think most people agree that no one owes anyone anything, that being said, it's perfectly normal for struggling guys getting constantly ignored and rejected to not be so happy about it. Not saying that they should wallow in in their misery forever or attack other because of it, I'm just saying the bitter emotional reactions are normal and valid for anyone in a similar situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 11:43 PM
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I'm asking for reasonable people to come together and find some common ground, but it seems most would rather prefer to double down and entrench themselves further in their own beliefs and righteousness while flinging shit at the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 11:31 PM
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Even TRP acknowledges most women aren't having casual sex Can you post some examples of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 11:29 PM
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You're a dimwit for failing to notice some really obvious things that pretty much everyone else managed to figure out on their own. That's on you. You're projecting. You assume everyone is the same and that everyone had the same experiences as you. That right there is faulty. You don't have a stellar personality. Your personality is awful You don't know me. You can't make that judgment call based on a few random online posts. No one becomes more interesting because of TRP Tell that to the people…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 11:27 PM
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I'm just saying- stop complaining that no one "taught you" about women find attractive. That is casting blame upon others for your incompetence. Why does it seem like society is mass producing these incompetent guys? Also, I'm very introverted and have a very small group of friends. Yet I still figured this out quite intuitively. Again, you're a girl. It's not surprising you were able to figure things out intuitively quite easily. The same can't be said for a lot of your introverted male peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:32 PM
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I'm not saying I've never seen it, I have, but the idea that all or most women are hard CC-riding sluts looking for a new ONs or fuckbuddy every Friday night and racking up double digit n counts in HS is just wrong. How can you be so sure most women aren't riding the CC? for every one of you who claim NAWLT there are just as many of you who claim AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:29 PM
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Parents don't want to tell their kids to not be boring, they don't want their kids obsessing over living in a certain way so they can get laid. If you're boring and lame you're boring and lame by nature, and unsurprisingly parents don't want to tell their kids that or model some kind of fake personality for them. Well then it's on the parents then for failing to prepare their kids for the harsh real world. Those parents are dimwits who shouldn't be reproducing. You're not being punished for shit…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:27 PM
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Wow, I'm actually rather surprised by this response (in a good way). Finally, someone, a woman at that, is ready to admit that not only is hypergamy real, it shouldn't be lied about, and you even give reasons as to why it's lied about. We don't hear that a lot from women. For that matter, I'm not sure how guys would react tbh, perhaps they would react with more hostility towards women, but if society ever got to that point of being that honest I think there would be legalized and regulated prost…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:16 PM
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You're being intellectually dishonest here. Using those subreddits as examples would be like saying all of Trump supporters are white supremacists using actual white supremacist Trump supporters as examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:08 PM
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Who cares right? So women shouldn't care about misogyny being spewed at them just as men shouldn't care that they they're being squeezed out of the SMP. No one should care about the mudslinging, no one should care about being hurt, no should care because everyone is doing it, eight? Fuck the world then. I for one don't want to hear women bitching about 'wage gap' rape culture' or some other shit because who fucking cares, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:04 PM
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Those things heavily overlap. It's hard to be angry at a situation while not being angry at the people who contribute to that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:01 PM
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lol you ladies and your strawmanning is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:47 PM
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I don't think so. It's an observation that relationships, even monogamous one, are not equally distributed. There is no 1 man to every 1 woman rule despite what a lot of blues, women, and feminists would like to have you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:13 PM
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You're promoting a sub that wants the SMP to be a plate factory. A plate factory? no, it's a sub that offers guys a roadmap if they do want to spin plates, it acknowledges that many women want commitment/LTRs and it even offers advice for guys who choose the LTR route. Not all guys care about having ONS and spinning plates. It's not saying "all women need to be plates who will give daily blowjobs on command".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:08 PM
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Off the bat you're on faulty ground if you're using those subreddits as examples. Most RP guys stay away from those places.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:02 PM
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To be fair, girls are more socially aware than boys, so it doesn't surprise me that you and other girls were able to figure early on how things really work, it has to be that way for girls because biologically they take the most risks, pregnancy and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:01 PM
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Well this is actual data The "data" doesn't take into consideration that people lie, often to save face, and if you're acknowledging that people lie how can you still use the argument "the data says"? Most women when they are teenagers to mid-20s are dating or looking for LTRs -- not one wild night with Chad. Just because the CC exists doesn't mean all or even most women are on there riding it into high double digit counts. Most of the women I grew up with in my youth were higher than 4 but cert…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:58 PM
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Well, TRP does tell guys to raise their SMV, so that's throws your "coping mechanism" argument out the window, and given the way the SMP works women will date up, never down. There are normal, totally average guys who aren't fat but still struggle because they don't look like Chad or don't make six figures a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:52 PM
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I don't see how that mock quote refutes my point that men don't want to be beta/providers who have to commit, not when they're seeing women put out for guys who don't offer commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:49 PM
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But I'm telling you where the misogyny is coming from. It you want the misogyny to go away, address the cause of said misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:44 PM
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So everyone is backlashing each other and no one has the right to complain about the blacklashing their receiving. Gotta love the cycle of backlashing we've gotten ourselves into, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:43 PM
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A lot of men grow up thinking that "women don't care about looks as much as a good personality". There has always been a cultural narrative that says women care more about character than raw physical attraction. So yeah, a lot of men are only now realizing it. Can you blame them? perhaps had they been told the honest truth from the get-go they wouldn't be reacting with such surprise and anger over the fact that women are indeed turned on by raw physical attractiveness, often being the top priori…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:42 PM
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Yeah, regardless of everything else, this doesn't logically follow. Why does rejection being acceptable imply that misogyny is acceptable? Where is the logical process? There isn't one, it's just an emotional reaction. The bitterness and misogyny stems from guys being chronically rejected and ignored by women time and time again. Getting angry because you didn't get what you wanted is what children do. It is deserving of mockery. (Women are the oldest teenager in the house though, amiright?) Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:38 PM
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And if you believe those false narratives you're an idiot. It's not that this message is being pushed on you, you seek it out. Movies that promote the hot girl falling in love with the average guy are successful because average men will happily buy into that fantasy. It's a fantasy and nothing more, and you want to call it some kind of propaganda program. That's weak. So it's basically telling one story, painting one particular picture that is known to be false...and expecting guys to somehow ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:32 PM
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Didn't Rome begin to rot from the inside once they became more liberal towards women and granted them more freedom?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:17 PM
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This is what we asked for with an open and deregulated SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:15 PM
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Huh? okay...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:15 PM
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most men are getting sex. Most men aren't having a whole lot of sex. Only a minorty of men are having a lot of sex. Most men aren't shunned sexually so men have no reason to be angry by the masses. Maybe not completely shunned, after all betas still get laid, but they're still getting a raw deal when they wife up a woman who would have rejected them years earlier. Most of them are just doing so in LTRs instead of ONSs. Big shocker female sexual strategy affects men's. Exactly. My point is that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:13 PM
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I think you're giving women too much of the benefit of the doubt. Even if many of them get married before technically becoming "post-wall" they still ride the CC. I've heard that many girls are riding the CC hardcore during their teens with a N-count of 15+ before they even hit their 20's. You're saying most women have an average N-count of 4 or 5 guys...that's a pretty lenient number you're giving them, especially when you consider that we live in a society that basically encourages women to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:07 PM
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What's your point? Would you accept blind misandry directed at you despite doing nothing wrong? Because that's what you're asking in your OP. My point with the betas and white knights was that women have a safety net to fall back on when people call them out on their shit, women can start physical altercations with strange men and expect her white knights friends to come to her rescue when the strange man fights back, and I'm not even really saying that women to "accept" (as in like) male anger,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:00 PM
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If they don't act upon them then I guess they don't matter, but my point is that they often do act upon the thoughts, perhaps without even realizing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:50 PM
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I'd say it's pretty telling about the kind of society we live: one that places so much emphasis on extroversion, partying, doing drugs, etc while homebody's are ostracized labeled as "creepy", it's extroverts being tyrannical bullies and enforcing their hierarchy on people who aren't like them. There are other places in the world where introversion is a lot more appreciated. So for introverted guys living in an extroverted society, can you really blame for being drawn to things like TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:45 PM
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Maybe they could just be upset at their own bad luck/genetics without blaming women for being attracted to attractive men? Or maybe they could be upset at the misleading narrative "There's someone for everyone. Women aren't so shallow". Or proof that blatant misogyny results in a severe backlash against anti-female speech and behavior. The misogyny is a result of unrestrained female hypergamy, while women and the cultural elite lying about said hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:40 PM
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You can't deny that there is a cultural narrative that downplays the importance of looks while emphasizing things like "be nice, have a good heart". In the case of males they aren't told about sexual strategy, they sure as hell aren't told about female strategy and what women find attractive, they're left to figure things out for themselves and some guys will spend years going by the wrong information and will only realize late in adulthood that it's all been bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:38 PM
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Don't flip the script. You're turning this around and twisting the debate to avoid addressing my original point - women have the right to do as they please, but just don't be surprised when there's a backlash. You saying women being upset at the way TRP generalizing women is normal and justified while ignoring why TRP exists in the firs place - it emerged as a direct result of unrestrained female hypergamy and sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:32 PM
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How on earth do you know this? TRP teaches telepathy now? Where the fuck do I sign up? Not telepathy, just going by women's actions and their verbal arguments regarding TRP and sexual strategy. Again, why? Why should anyone be "ready to accept" people spewing venom at them for things about themselves they can't change? What is the logic behind this? Seriously, give me one compelling reason why people should uncomplainingly accept this? They need to be ready to accept it because in nature actions…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:27 PM
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In general TRP irresponsibly indulges them by countersigning a good deal of their dysfunctional delusions about the world. TRP tells them they can just learn a load of tricks and hacks, put on some muscle and lose some fat, behave like they are in control and it will all be fine, they can continue seeing themselves as a victim of their past and continue enjoying all the lack of responsibility that victimhood entails, continue harboring their unwarranted self-importance and narcissistic rage like…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:22 PM
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Hmm, maybe, I don't think so though. We hear about former white supremacists changing their ways/beliefs and leaving behind the hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:18 PM
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More than 90%? That's a stretch I'd say, and even if it is accurate, it's all the more reason to believe that guys are in deep shit and really need to make adjustments. Let me ask you, if 90% of struggling men are spergs, what is that a consequence of? did these guys just choose to be born spergs? But I don't buy the 90% of these guys are spergs argument. Plenty of guys who follow TRP/the manosphere aren't spergs but they still struggle. This is about women being extremely selective and only foc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:15 PM
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On the other hand there were two things that were completely different when you compared me to a fat female feminist: I was at the gym at least 3 days a week at the time and anything but fat and The feminist still got laid, I didn't Exactly. Women can afford to be fat and unhealthy and still get plowed by reasonably fit and attractive guys. Men don't have the luxury of being out of shape neckbeards while still getting to score reasonably fit and attractive women. Comparing the situations is comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:11 PM
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The traditional SMP/RMP has been turned on it's head, women were sexually liberated and discarded the old playbook while many guys have still been playing by the outdated playbook. Men are only now realizing that being a comforting beta is not enough, a hindrance even, and now they're having to play a horrible game of catch-up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:08 PM
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Indeed, and women receive sympathy for their plights while guys only receive mockery and insults for their own plight. It's that hypocrisy that many guys are calling out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:04 PM
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The difference is that woman have society actively encouraging and enabling female strategy while shamming guys for applying any kind of strategy, no one bats an eye when feminist advice columnist tell women to have fun with different sorts of men (a.k.a ride the CC) before settling down with a nice beta provider and emotional tampon. Meanwhile PUA/TRP/and the manosphere are criticized and labeled as hate groups. Modern gynocentric society is pro-female sexuality and anti-male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:02 PM
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Men (and women) who're unsuccessful in the SMP have the right to be upset about it. They also have the right to realize that becoming bitter about there situation doesn't help, and apply different strategies to become successful. and this is exactly what TRP is and does, so why does it get so much flak then from women and feminists? if people have a right to fuck whoever they want to fuck it's obviously going to create losers yet we as a society still shame the losers, and of course the losers a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:59 PM
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and I disagree with that. the guys I've met who've struggled with dating have all had social issues. whether it was anxiety, awkwardness, or introversion and discomfort in groups, there was something "off" about them. they all thought they were totally normal, but they were just off enough to come off as creepy. and that's really common in my generation because so many of us grew up online. On the subject of introversion, I'm curious, how introverted were they exactly? are introverted guy at a d…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:56 PM
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And you would like to control what they think? Don't be silly. No one can control other people's thoughts, I'm only pointing out that the thoughts are there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:54 PM
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Ashamed of what?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:51 PM
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And don't forget. It is society that decides what is acceptable or not. The changes that opened the gates to the destructive female brutality can be reversed or adjusted. Reversed? I don't know, it's hard to imagine going back to a more rigid SMP, women will never stand for that. Men are adjusting though, albeit slowly, but they're adjusting, and yet there's all this shock and upset over men having a hard time adjusting. You can't just turn the traditional SMP/RMP on it's head without making a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:51 PM
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But who are they getting into relationships with? only a select few of men, they often practice serial monogamy or ride the CC with alphas. It's not like there's an equal distribution of monogamous relationships for everybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:46 PM
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That's my point, they should care if they want to address male anger and hostility.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:44 PM
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We have users here justified female hypergamy while shamming male sexuality and anger from guys who aren't chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:43 PM
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Things are getting a lot more chaotic and unstable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:41 PM
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Women are the sexual selectors, the chicken and egg starts with them and what they are naturally inclined to find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:40 PM
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Do you enjoy misandry? Why would you expect women to enjoy men being misogynistic? You have spineless betas and white knights who are ready to defend the worst of female behavior. What do you think most of the women here are doing? We have red women, purple women and blue women who all do this. As far as I know red women are talking about how to secure marriages/LTRs (which is what TRP advises *against, so doesn't this make them opposites?) purple pill women seem to be more interested in debate …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:38 PM
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Most men have LTRs and eventually get married. You mean most men get married to post-wall, former CC riders who are "ready to settle" after being plowed by Chad and his homeboys.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:27 PM
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I would respond by saying that scenario is silly because we already know thirsty men are wiling to wife up anything with a vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:25 PM
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Plenty of guys grew up with the wring information. Perhaps they had sheltered home lives raised by single moms or weak and ineffective fathers who didn't properly teach them how to be a man, so all they had to go by was the information from teachers, peers, and Disney movies that told them "just be nice, a girl will like you for being nice". Boys sure as hell aren't told to maximize their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:24 PM
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How can men have a right to be upset without being jaded towards the opposite gender? Misogyny is on the way to being outlawed as a hate crime. It's already happening in the UK. That's right, 'catcalling' or even so much as looking at a woman the "wrong" way (subjectively) can result in a hate crime being committed. Ridiculous and proof of the lunacy of modern feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:22 PM
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Again many of these online discussion groups recognize that it's counterproductive to remain butthurt and angry, and I don't see how going online to talk about it somehow signifies being pathetic and whiny. Can be the same logic be applied to people who lose a job, have their car stolen, or house broken into? would they also be considered whiny cry babies if they went online to vent over it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:50 PM
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What do you mean? that it doesn't fully go away?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:38 PM
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Says who? you? who are you to judge when the correct "OK point" is? why is going online to vent about it among other people in similar situations somehow an indicator that they're making it into a 'lifestyle'? People go online to discuss their problems all of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:33 PM
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TRP is pretty clear when it tells guys that while it's okay to vent and be angry, it's counterproductive to remain in that state. They have to move on at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:30 PM
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It sounds like he's comparing nice guys to women who are upset at TRP, I'm saying that's a weak comparison because the whole issue surrounding the nice guy is that he's upset that women reject him in favor of assholes, so to compare nice guys to women bitching about TRP would imply that these women are having a hard in the SMP like nice guys when that's a faulty assumption because women by default will always have an easier time in the SMP than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:26 PM
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but turning it into a lifestyle and a worldview? That's a choice. Lifestyle? TRP isn't telling guys to remain bitter and jaded, it's simply telling them that it's okay to feel angry, and then they must move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:22 PM
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No woman is saying this Maybe not out loud but that's what many of them think. Oh, so you don't really want women to "just shut up", you want them to change who they're attracted to. I'm simply pointing out the reasons men are upset, women can be attracted ti whoever they want, but they should be also be ready ti accept the enduring anger and backlash over their preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:19 PM
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Did I personally reject them? no. then I have the right to point out how they're whiny losers who'd rather ragequit dating than improve themselves socially. We're not talking about you or any one particular woman rejecting them, we're talking about women as a collective group. You're also using a strawman to describe these guys by calling them spergatoids, not all guys who are struggling are spergs with weak social skills, many of them are guys with fair social skills, have friends, go out, etc,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:14 PM
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If a girl is essentially monogamous (most girls pretty much are... some are long-term monogamous some are more into short relationships but most aren't up for many lovers at once) then she is going to have to be rejecting thousands of guys all the time. What does monogamy have to do with it? I mean, even if most girls prefer monogamy they prefer it only with the alphas and chads, it's already been mentioned that women would rather be single indefinitely than get into relationships with guys they…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 12:05 PM
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Of course they do....why wouldn't they? Why wouldn't they be mad at the assertion that all women are dishonest, mercenary sluts and whores? Again, they're not the ones dealing with chronic rejection, frustration, and incel. It's like the masses of poor people being angry at the top elite who hold all of the wealth and top elite going "why are they so angry at us? why are they insulting is? they're so mean.." when anyone with any shred of common sense understands exactly why the masses are angry.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 11:40 AM
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Well, maybe the U.K. is different from the U.S. regarding gym culture, perhaps Brits do care less about physical fitness culturally, but an attractive physique can never be a bad thing, especially when 90% of other people around you don't care to look good. I'd even would also even question your assertion that Americans are obsessed with lifting, there are so many fat people here it's not even funny, you say a good majority of Brits don't bother to enter a gym, I'd say the same thing about Ameri…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 11:27 AM
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Why does the topic of lift bore you? A lot of guys grew up thinking all they needed was to be nice and show off a good personality to attract women, they didn't grow up thinking that looks matter a lot to women as much as it matters to men. So yeah they're going to talk about lifting a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 11:10 AM
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The women who have the nerve to be upset are the female equivalent of nice guys. How do you figure that? nice guys get rejected for being nice or not being 'manly' enough, while most women ranging from the sweet nice girls to the bitchy divas aren't rejected by large swaths of men. Nice girls get laid, bitchy girls get laid, scrawny girls get laid, fat girls get laid. This is not the case for males.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 11:02 AM
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Well, the thing is...most women don't believe they're sexually rejecting large swaths of men. You see, most normal women don't believe themselves to only be having sex with the top (and not to mention miniscule) percentage of men. And they aren't wrong. That's what TRP is for then - to educate people about the realities of the modern SMP and how it's not a very rosy picture. Yet women and feminists get their panties in a bunch over the "hate" and "misogyny" coming from TRP. That's what I'm sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:57 AM
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I think a lot of introverts are just too caught up in thier own heads too much of the time, it's like extroverts are flying on auto-pilot, they able to cruise though social interactions without thinking about it. Introverts tent to overthink and over-analyze things too much, they fly manually and it can make social interactions more tricky to navigate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 05:50 PM
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I feel like this is what really separates introverts from extroverts, a lot of guys who struggle to attract women are introverts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 04:21 AM
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Are you aware of guys who shoot well within their league but keep encountering women who want nothing but guys with supermodel looks? I'm talking about average, normal looking dudes being rejected by landwhales.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 12:57 AM
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Heck, the most common trait I see in the boyfriends of good looking girls I know Keyword here is 'boyfriends'..these guys have to get LTRs if they want to get sex, don't they? so my question for you is, do you think these same guys could succeed just as much if they pursed casual hookups, ONS, FWB, and spin plates?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 12:37 AM
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why?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 07:43 PM
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It's not a big problem in the SMP at the current moment because most guys are either in the dark about these things or they are I aware and just accept their lot in life. I think more beta guys are waking up and realizing just how much of a shit deal they're getting in this SMP, how they react to it en masse is up in the air.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 07:22 PM
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Sorry but I just don't see how an instant "fuck off" is reversible..it's like does she actually have to use the words "fuck off" for someone to get the point? I get where you're coming from on her making an instant snap decision with no other information which leaves you an opening, and how a later rejection after conversation would be a final rejection..but idk, I guess I just would have figured she wants nothing to do with me (even if she doesn't know a whole lot about me) by her instant "I ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 11:11 PM
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Why do I get the feeling that this is all leading to nothing good...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 11:05 PM
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How exactly would hotter girls not find themselves in this situation? You're saying hot women don't like chads ir are somehow immune the the poly/serial monogamy trends un society?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 11:04 PM
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How am I supposed to check the numbers? Who has statistics in thus stuff? U was using the common understanding that men generally want sex more than women and women generally won't put out without some kind of commitment. You seem to know since you're claiming that they're not much off. So show us where you got your information.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 11:00 PM
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Because for a lot of men it's a blow to their ego to be put in the 'friendzone'.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 06:08 PM
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But I'm saying if a guy flirts with her, gets rejected, it's usually a blow to the ego and for him continue to buzz around in her friendzone would be rubbing salt in the world, he wouldn't be able to fully get over her rejection. He will always fantasize/want more. I'm generalizing though, surely there plenty of guys fully capable of brushing off a rejection unfazed while being open to the possibility of expanding his social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 06:04 PM
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Right, I meant for what reasons though to continue things platonic after being rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 05:56 PM
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That argument is weak though because there are a lot more men who only want sex than there are women who only want sex, likewise there are a lot more women who want commitment than there are men who specifically seek out commitment. This means that while sure, everyone is different, the odds of consistently running into people who offer the thing you want are pretty slim, while the odds of consistently running into people who don't offer what you want are much greater. Thus we have our dilemma.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 05:54 PM
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Don't forget though that women were also commonly raped, tortured, burned alive for witchcraft, stoned to death for adultery, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 05:24 PM
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So much this. Honestly the whole "I have a boyfriend" line in itself doesn't bother me if I'm actually hitting on her, it's when you want to ask her for directions to get someplace and the second you open your mouth she throws out the boyfriend line, usually in a bitchy tone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 03:37 PM
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Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 03:29 PM
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The amount of girls you can actually convert into lays who say they have a boyfriend initially will surprise you. IME the only guys pulling this off are good looking Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 03:20 PM
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Agreed, I would have thought the same thing. To me the "I have a boyfriend" line the second you open your mouth is basically her saying "Fuck off".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 03:13 PM
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The language is harsh, true, but the harsh is kind of necessary to effectively cut the message to guys who've been plugged in throughout their lives. Sure I guess you can say that the information could be found anywhere else but let's be honest - mainstream advice and information is usually packaged in a PC way that fails to really expose the extent of an open SMP to naive guys. RP gets colorful and gritty in its description of the SMP because that's the point: it's supposed to cut deep so that …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 03:06 PM
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Out of curiosity what "certain type of guy" is that, usually?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 02:55 PM
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Can you elaborate more on that? What would an unsustainable dating scene look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 02:46 PM
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See but my thing is, if the guys were being upfront and honest about not offering commitment why do women (who do want some form of commitment) still get upset when the commitment never comes?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 02:40 PM
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Explain then.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 02:34 PM
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So the monogamy and exclusivity is supposed to be an implied, unspoken thing that evolves on its own? That leaves plenty of room for plausible deniability, isn't the whole point of being honest and upfront so that there wont be any ambiguity in the future?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 02:34 PM
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Yes. I'm glad someone pointed this out, indeed that seems to be the main difference between guys who can get away with not offering commitment and those who can't. I've noticed this IRL too, girls will give a pass and be more lenient towards handsome Chad when he says he doesn't want to commit but the moment average/beta guys try to do the same thing it's suddenly "Sex with no commitment? LOL! who the hell do you think you are!? Next please!" Handsome Chads can afford to set boundaries, make dem…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 02:27 PM
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Cool. So then there shouldn't be any outrage over the existence of things like RP that teach sexual strategy. I just think it's hypocritical to promote female strategy while demonizing male strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 08:45 AM
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Right. So then why are these women upset that their guy taking advantage of the non-exclusively phase?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 03:33 AM
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This leads to the truth that women you're sexually compatible with, but have no desire to couple with are women you should in some way treat a bit...shitty. Shitty how? by rejecting her desire for exclusivity? being aloof and detached in spite of her liking you more and more? putting her on blast?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 01:55 AM
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When you put it like that I guess it makes sense, so in that case what people need to do is be more frank and honest about where things stand..but doesn't this also mean that the guy can't get too "relationshippy"? he can't ever get too close or comforting? he need to be less warm and more cold? less inviting and more distant? in order to not give the impression that he wants to be her exclusive boyfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 01:47 AM
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Fair enough. I just thought it was odd that the women were feeling conflicted and confused about their "relationships" when the guy already told them that it was non-exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 01:44 AM
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I think you're missing my point: it's the women who are setting themselves up for disappointment when they secretly harbor the idea that he will commit one day when he already told them that he didn't want commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 01:22 AM
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so we're assuming these women "settled" for the deal? isn't the whole point of being upfront and honest so that the other part can have a chance to walk away from the get-go if they don't like it? It sounds like these women went in it initially agreeing that it would be non-committed while secretly hoping that it would one day turn into commitment. Where are they getting that idea from?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 01:21 AM
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it sounds like she's talking about men who go through all the motions of being in a relationship with the girl and keep things ambiguous in regard to the future/their intentions. A guy going through the "motions of being a boyfriend" but not offering commitment...isn't that just people doing what people do now in the modern SMP? get in "relationships" without wanting to be tied down by commitment? serial monogamy and open relationships seem to be gaining ground and so I would have thought these …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 01:18 AM
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But these women agreed upon that deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 01:02 AM
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So you're saying guys are just using a more subtle tactic of manipulation by being "open and honest" about non-commitment to somehow give the impression that they don't really mean it? well...if women truly believe that's what's happening then that wouldn't that be on them for taking one set of words "I don't want to commit" and transforming it into something they want to believe in: "I don't want to commit yet but maybe someday...".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 01:01 AM
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But how are they getting a shit deal if they initially agreed to the relationship being non-committed? That's what baffles me here. She's painting this picture that guys are intentionally misleading/giving false hope of commitment to these women when it's actually the exact opposite: they made it clear from the get-go that they were not offering commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 12:56 AM
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is "ladies, don't get strung along by a guy playing a game" really that offensive to you? But these guys aren't playing a game, they're being upfront and honest about their intentions. There is no "stringing along".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 12:53 AM
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But what I find particularly curious about this is that it sorta flies in the face of "always be honest", doesn't it? First it was "it's okay to not want commitment. Just be honest about it", well now that guys are being honest it's suddenly seen as a form of abuse and gaslighting? Damn if guys are dishonest, damn if they're honest...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 12:40 AM
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male and female sexual strategies are mutually antagonistic That seems to be a common thought around here especially among RPers. From that lens, the article makes sense. Curious to know, how do you see the future of gender relations playing out? how exactly would women en masse "strike back" at men conducting sexual strategy? (which in turn is men also "striking back" at the female imperative).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 12:36 AM
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Where can submissive guys find dominate women like you? there don't seem to be very many you out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 07:35 AM
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so basically accept that they are sexual failures and that they should just accept the fact that they'll die miserable and alone? if you truly believe that the government should issue official legalized prostitution and suicide kits for those undesirables who can't get laid for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 01:26 AM
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An honest question, why do you like mocking them? What is it about them that gets a kick out of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/16 04:02 AM
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Well...in the context of this discussion most of the guys who I come across in real life aren't inherent misogynist assholes by default...they're just normal dudes who were dealt a shitty hand in the SMP and have a hard time dealing with it...the vast majority of them aren't going to be posting on places like r/mgtow.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/16 12:53 AM
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Aw, but you see this is where you get it wrong: there's a difference between a normally adjusted guy choosing to live the bachelor lifestyle and the guy who can barely get women to go on a date with him, who's been persistently rejected, can't get a girl to stick around, etc... You're still failing to truly take a look and understand the undesirable's plight and by extension their reasons for going MGTOW..you keep looking at things from a "normy's" perspective and thus failing to understand the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/16 12:48 AM
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Are you saying that they should be taught that they shouldn't feel bad about being sexually undesirable because it's just the way of nature? Doesn't sound very encouraging.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 11:39 PM
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Thank you, I was hoping someone would get what I'm trying to cut across. I really do feel for a lot of these dudes, what makes it more sad to me is that I know plenty of these guys are actually good, decent people who didn't just wake up one day hating the world for no reason. They were just dealt a shitty hand and struggle to deal with it, they're only human after all. All I'm saying is I wish more people took the tine to look deeper into the issue instead of just dismissing it or treating it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 11:21 PM
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It's a rather misleading window though...most of the guys there are not good representatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 11:03 PM
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I'm not talking about the r/mgtow subreddit though. I mean in an overall, general sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 10:09 PM
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but we shouldn't ever from those men if they truly do G Their Own Way I agree. There's a difference between the doers and talkers. Also just to clarify when I talk about MGTOW here I'm definitely not talking about the subreddit r/mgtow because that, like r/TRP shouldn't be the standard bearer for what it's supposed to mean in an overall sense. I don't even visit r/TRP that often because it generally lack quality posts on any given day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 10:08 PM
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Guys who are chads and have that natural success with women can still be plugged into the BP matrix, so even though they're alpha in the sense if puling women they can still be drunk off if BP idealism which causes them to be extra hurt when AWALT hits them in the face.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 12:49 AM
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u/TempestheDragon Can you elaborate more on why you feel that modern feminism is doing more harm than good in society?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 10:20 AM
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u/SkinnySweaty You missed the point (or chose to disregard) the whole point of the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 10:16 AM
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I'm saying even some men push the feminist/BP narrative, "cuck" and "white knight" are supposed to be insulting terms towards such men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 05:29 AM
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They're white knight cucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 11:12 PM
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I never said all women...but enough women are like that to the point where there are cultural tropes about it: "Nice guys finish last". Don't tell me you've never heard of it. So kust because I can't go out and survey every single woman out there doesn't change fact that what I said holds a lot of weight to it, otherwise those cultural tropes wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 11:32 AM
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Which is a point of sexual attraction. Uh, no it's not. Sexual attraction is primary physical lust, The tattooed biker bad boy inspires raw physical lust. A gold digging woman who can see that a guy is rich is not physically drawn to him, she's drawn to his wallet. Never knew gay men wanted pussy Wow, really? Well no fucking shit, we're not talking about gay people in these discussions, we're talking about heterosexual strategy. You bringing up gays into the conversation shows your lack of solid…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 12:11 AM
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It's all just a big giant shit test man, that's all you need to know. Everything you've heard about 'toxic masculinity' and how women want open and sensitive guys...it's all just a shit test. Those same women who say they want a nice boyfriend are the same ones who would cheat on said boyfriend for a more aggressive, more attractive, and more dominate masculine man. Try no to beat yourself up over it too much. Millions of other men are failing at the same shit test, but now you're in a better po…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 11:31 PM
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I'm saying even if these things may not be biologically innate, even if they are mostly social constructs, wolves and humans sill do the same thing. Wolves form social hierarchies, humans form social hierarchies.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 10:12 PM
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They may not become full on Chads but they'll definitely not be betas and that's what is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 10:08 PM
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50% are odds in Vegas, not for marriage. I don't see how you can just sweep it under the rug. This is why men don't want to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 10:07 PM
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Yes, red pill is focused on how to get women, but the big difference is that if you follow red pill advice you will be investing in yourself instead of investing in women. Getting sex and validation will be a by-product. While the red pill forum focus on women, the applied strategy focuses on yourself and you will spend less ressources on women in your reallife. This here is what I wish more TRP critics would realize. Guys coming to TRP are just looking to bed women, they want to become better m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 01:26 PM
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I'm starting to feel that way, too. I feel like a lot of BPers who identify as such are actually pretty RP in their mindset - they just don't like this shit actually being brought out and openly discussed hence why they insult RPers calling them spergs and such. It's like they're aware of what TRP says, but to them it's something that shouldn't be talked about, it supposed to happen subconsciously and there's supposed to be a pretty picture attached to it, where things "just happen". They don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 01:18 PM
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some things that I've heard is that traits like introversion are more appreciated in places like Europe and Asia, it's not treated like some kind of disease as it is in N.America.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 01:06 PM
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I wouldn't say I'm fully entrenched in the red camp, leaning red, but nuanced enough to know that TRP can over-exaggerate things at times and can get drunk off it's own farts..but I still think a lot of what it says hold weight especially when I consider my own life observations, and especially seeing some BPers get antsy over certain subjects or aggressively attack TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 01:01 PM
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but being a violent tool is not some get laid quick card. Oh, you'd be so surprised. The things I've heard/seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 12:55 PM
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Except some 'chads' want relationships. That's like a goldmine for women because Chads have the luxury of not having to invest and commit because they have so many other options, and that's what most of them end up doing - not committing. Usually chads who are willing to commit to an LTR still have a strain of BP idealism within them for them to take the risks. They're more of the exception than the rule though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 12:54 PM
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I keep hearing the same thing: "not all women.." and that's probably true to a slight degree, but I don't think that negates the fact that a lot of women absolutely are susceptible to being attracted to aggressive, dominate men, I've seen it play out too many times in my life for me to believe that women aren't attracted to these guys. Women that live in dangerous environments to for aggressive men because they feel the need for protection Excuses. How do you explain affluent college educated wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 12:50 PM
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I'm not saying guys need to be more beta, I'm saying the exact opposite - guys need to get as far away from being beta as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 12:41 PM
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so basically the social hierarchy among wolves is not something that's innate..ok, but how does that show us that a similar hierarchy doesn't also exists among human groups? obviously we're a completely different animal compared to wolves but like wolves we're social creatures and as social creatures we develop a structural hierarchy, it's obviously different from the hierarchy of wolves but the basic principle remains the same: there are a select few dominate leaders (alphas) and there are foll…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 12:39 PM
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Like I just told u/findingmrnemo, I get that people are more complex and individualistic than what a binary system allows for; but when we're talking about people en masse on a social level then I think people are pretty binary. Just look at the U.S. election for example, people are gravitating towards the extreme ends of the political spectrum. Humans as individuals are complex and non-binary, humans grouped together are...more binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 12:29 PM
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Sure, there are nuances in between and everyone is an individual, but I think people give a bit too much credit and too much investment into believing that people are always nuanced, I think people are pretty binary in many ways especially when talking about people en masse, not as cherry picked individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 12:23 PM
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So guys should just bite the bullet out of fear of growing old alone? I admit that the fear of being alone drives people to eventually compromise and settle and that's a choice people have to make for themselves, that being said I'm of the opinion that maybe people shouldn't fear growing old alone, is being tied down in an emotionally draining relationships that has it's ups and down, hat people are content with for the most part...is it really worth sacrificing your individuality and freedom? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 12:20 PM
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Sadly though, many men won't realize that it's all bullshit. They'll buy into it and lap it all up, call themselves feminists, be the ultimate white knight and gentleman, etc. Only when they get burned will they realize the truth and even then some guys will stubbornly refuse to see the writing on the wall, they'll hamster and rationalize in any way they can rather than admit that they've been spoonfed feel-good bullshit that has no solid foundations in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 12:11 PM
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Nope. Pua tactics that TRP encourages (such as negging, slut shaming, dread game) that make a woman feel forced to sleep with a guy, not want to, are misogynistic. C'mon, seriously? that's such a weak strawman. You make it sound as though guys are being aggressive assholes when going about this social dance - most guys know enough to smile and keep the banter light with the negging, and dread game is nothing more than showing your worth by showing that you have other options, flirting with other…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 12:07 PM
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So women don't find rich men sexually attractive, even tho they do. There's a difference between Christian Grey and Huge Heffner - the first guy is young and good looking enough to warrant sexual attraction by itself, the wealth is an added bonus. Hugh on the other hand would just be another creepy old man if he didn't have the wealth and status to fall back on, you really think the Playboy Bunnies are turned on by Hugh just by his physical looks? Get real. They're attracted to his wealth and st…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 11:37 AM
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I'M talking about sexual attraction, you're saying that women want guys who can provide money/resources and I'm telling you that that has nothing to do with sexual attraction which is the gist of my post. Guys don't want to be a beta wallet, they want to be a guy who inspires the pussy tingles.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 11:13 AM
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I think people can agree that there's a general outline or blueprint of what an alpha looks like - a strong, aggressive, dominate male who keeps others in check, commands respect (or fear) and is most definitely unphased by women's shit tests or complaints. Part of the attraction factor that women have for alphas is that they can't be tamed and women want to tame the wild bad boy, a passive and agreeable beta is not challenge for women hence why they're not attracted to betas, because betas are …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 11:08 AM
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Define it? Idk, don't be beta?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 10:59 AM
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Oh, it's definitely happening. Just because I cant fish for "official" scientific stats on it doesn't mean it doesn't exist - hapless betas who don't know better end up being completely side swiped when they find out their seemingly sweet and innocent wife, who didn't seem at all like that, is fucking her boss at work or the young handsome pool boy when hubbys at work. It's one of the cornerstone foundations of TRPs existence, betas being cheated on, manipulated, and taken for a ride. I've see i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 08:24 AM
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That has nothing to do sexual attraction though, just because a woman may want and appreciate a provider doesn't mean she'll be sexually attracted to him. The "love" women feel towards beta bucks/comfort is not the same "love" they hold for alpha fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 08:16 AM
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I know, that's why I'm saying to screw being beta altogether and strive to be as alpha as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 08:10 AM
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Nice guy betas are the ones who have to invest and compromise, alpha chads can get digits and hookups within a short time and for far less compromise and investment. You can't compare the nice guy beta who has to wine and dine a woman for starfish sex to the guy who got to poke it in her ass and make her gag after just meeting her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 06:19 AM
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You're outright denying the alpha/beta paradigm among humans? Look, just because we have more evolved brains and speech doesn't mean we're not still primal animals at the most biological level, how do you explain why women are attracted to violent, edgy, "bad boy" men while being creeped out by "nice guys" who aren't violent or edgy? It's funny watching people deny or downplay this observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 06:13 AM
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Either way it all means the same to me: marriage is a risky raw deal that's best avoided - hence being a "good guy" beta is a raw deal that's best avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 06:07 AM
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Being a provider on any level, even if there some alpha traits mixed in, only opens the door for women to manipulate and take advantage of such guys, women aren't attracted to providers, they only like what the provider provides. Women like alphas because those guys make them wet, they don't care if he's unemployed, a drug user, and sleeps on his friend's couch.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 06:04 AM
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"The divorce surge is over" so it admits that it existed, but now they're insisting that it's "over"? I'm skeptical. It is the NY TIMES after all, they have a social narrative to push and pretty picture to uphold along with other mainstream sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 05:55 AM
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What do you mean "tricking" women into having sex? A guy learning seduction and applying that knowledge IRL is "tricking" women into bed? So you're saying those women would have otherwise not had sex with a guy if he had weak game? Doesn't this prove then that the criticism towards male strategy has less to do with "misogyny" and more to do with making sure low SMV guys stay low SMV?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 05:50 AM
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But my point is those who do want to eventually become Chads, aren't going to find that information on goodmenproject or drnerdlove, going to those places actually does them a disservice because it puts them on the path to being a used and abused beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 05:45 AM
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This is my point exactly. Those sites are making it seem like being a "good guy" who's "relationship material" is a winning strategy in this open SMP when it's a total crash and burn for men, they're basically telling guys how to be good betas when women the ones who benefit from men being betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 05:39 AM
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Dude...reading that made me cringe. How on earth can you say being beta isn't a bad deal? It absolutely is, you even admit that alphas and betas get different kinds of sex and with different effort invested by each - alphas get grade A pornstar level sex within a few hours of meeting, betas get once a month duty starfish sex after he wines and dines her, feeds her ego, etc, you can hamster it all you like but being beta is simply a raw deal..you really call it a victory being a nice guy doormat …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 05:34 AM
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So are you saying that guys who are already betas have reached a plateau? I'm if the opinion that betas are guys who aren't content with their position on the hierarchy and strive to be more than free meal ticket for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 05:20 AM
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50% of marriages end in divorce, sure seems to be a lot of unhealthy individuals out there, that can be considered a social illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 05:17 AM
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I seriously fail to see the reason, I get that people are turned off about some of the crude and offensive language but aside from that, why the the hostility towards male sexual strategy? Why all the shamming language?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 05:16 AM
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Not everyone sees marriage as a zero sum game Those are the ones who get burned the most when things blow up in their face
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 02:12 AM
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Being beta may be a better deal than being an a FA omega, but it doesn't change the fact that betas are still subpar - being beta is not a good strategy in an open SMP where anything goes. If a man wants to get the best of the SMP, he needs to adopt an alpha strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 01:59 AM
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How so are they bad for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 01:56 AM
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Bitches don't like pussified male feminist types But mainstream places like I listed in OP push a feminist agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 01:55 AM
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it's only been a week since the incel ban, I haven't noticed an influx of niceguy posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:13 PM
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No. You're just strawmanning. For whatever reason the topic bothers you so much, instead of just ignoring posts that don't interest you like a grown adult you opt to take censorship approach, well you don't own PPD and incels are relevant to the discussion whether you like it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 02:59 PM
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What about the ones not looking for pity? The ones who genuinely seeking answers? Why should they be lumped in with the alleged "pity party" folks? I think people here are strawmanning to get the incel topic banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 12:50 AM
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This isn't a pity party sub. It's a gender and sexual strategy debate sub. Again...incels are guys who fail at sexual strategy, that's makes them relevant to PPD discussion. What's the problem? if they want to post inflammatory, stupid shit ... they have their own sites. which is why mods should remove inflammatory stupid shit in general..whether that particular inflammatory, stupid post is incel related is besides the point. Many incel posts are not stupid or inflammatory. Which, btw, they get …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 11:54 PM
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sure, but they're still relevant to PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 11:22 PM
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I - and no one else in this sub - is obligated to care at all how "damaging" you think not having someone want to touch you. Like I said, you lack the maturity or patience to debate on this sub because once again incels are relevant to PPD no matter how much you want to believe otherwise. And once again you don't have to read the incel posts. Why is ignoring them so difficult for you? why do you insist on censorship? Your mistake is thinking that we are somehow obligated to either care, or to to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 11:19 PM
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Great, so let them post and ask questions/share experiences. They do. Also many of them are having a hard time getting their foot in the door so have no experiences to talk about. This handwringing about how not getting your peepee touched is obnoxious Incels are guys who can't get laid. The male sex drive has been debated and discussed here, people are free to have their own opinions on it but I think people here are reasonable enough to conclude that being sexless is very troubling for men, if…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 10:10 PM
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It's not really "muzzling expression" -- there are plenty of other forums on this very site where they can go talk about incel things. /r/ForeverAlone is right around the corner. But many of those subs really are unhelpful and unhealthy echo chambers...I think many incel guys coming to PPD are genuinely here to debate and learn new things because they know it's a more honest and helpful sub and isn't a depressing cesspool of negativity like r/ForeverAlone or r/incels
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 09:45 PM
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But please, keep accusing me of censorship. That's exactly what you're doing. Like the other poster said, why can't you just ignore posts you have no interest in discussing? I see plenty of them that I don't want to bother in but it doesn't bother me enough to want to have it censored.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 09:38 PM
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Incels really have no place attention-whoring on a gender/sexual strategy sub. Incels are relevant to sexual strategy because incels are guys who fail at sexual strategy. Therefore they are relevant to PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 09:32 PM
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If there was a lot of incel subs, then I don't think it can be considered a 'fringe group', not if it holds that kind of power to influence the trend of discussion on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 09:27 PM
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I don't care how much something is persistent, this should be a free-speech zone where anything goes, we're here to freakin DEBATE, we're talking about the real world and being adults about it, why the censorship? don't these topics happen in bursts every few weeks anyway? Are we also going to ban the rape threads too when there is an influx of them? I don't think it should be banned outright, why not make it a new flair? if someone wants to discuss incel it'll have to be it's own separate flair…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 09:21 PM
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But is it really jealously or an inbuilt revulsion towards women with promiscuous lifestyles?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 01:50 AM
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Actually it's not. I wasn't referring to the particular subreddit nofap, I meant the practice if nofap in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 02:09 PM
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The reason I ask is because I think it's odd for someone with a red flair to read TBP (a satire sub) on an everyday basis. Who cares what they're saying, it's satire and therefore not meant to be taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 02:35 AM
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I don't think they're advocating it for most people? From what I've seen its all about the self, they're not trying to shame the human race into not masturbating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 01:50 AM
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You don't think there's any validity behind the idea whatsoever? Not even.the part of it driving guys to occupy themselves with something more productive? I find it strange that people can so so dismissive and label it "cultish" behavior, I mean it's not like they're swearing off masturbation altogether, they're just trying to not let it be such a habit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 01:13 AM
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Like I said it's been a while since I've seen a discussion on it anywhere. Btw why do you read TBP everyday?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/16 01:07 AM
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even if it's healthy and natural, I don't think it negates the opinion that refraining from doing can yield positive results for men and compel them to focus on other things in their time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 11:28 PM
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it's not so much that it something that's addicting but that the male sex drive compels men to jack off a lot. Sure it feels good, but I wouldn't call it an addiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 11:26 PM
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and a man will be deluding himself into believing that his sex addict partner is going to remain faithful to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 08:42 PM
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I'm just saying..your situation appears to be rare. Maybe it's may social circle but the people I know buy each other "promise rings" and such but later just end up splitting. This is mainly among younger people my age, how old are you and you husband? maybe it's a generational thing. As time goes on finding a "soulmate" becomes increasingly unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 05:32 PM
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because you love eachother I'm beginning to wonder if "love" is real, if it's just chemical reactions in the brain that are prone to dying off eventually. but keep finances separate I wonder how that will play out in divorce court. explore your sexuality with other people LMAO! the fuck is the point in getting married then? the only people I can see wanting an "open marriage" are women who want the perks of a Beta husband (stability, financial security, and emotional comfort) while also enjoying…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:59 PM
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Sounds like they're drinking too much BP kool-aid. I can see why women still wan to get married since the courts are conveniently biased in their favor if things go south, indeed many women see marriage solely as a money making institution. There's just no incentive in it for guys unless they want to start a family and even then it's a bad idea because the revised rules are stacked against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:48 PM
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I think much of the fuss about gay marriage was just fuelled by a symbolic victory for equality more than an actual desire to get married. I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:25 PM
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Just keep in mind marriage is not only about love. Its about family. Or a strategic alliance to establish trade ties. Depends on the time and place. Well, we no longer live in a world where marriages were military or trade alliances, so for someone who doesn't want to have kids can it be concluded that marriage is a bad idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:24 PM
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That's why I always laugh whenever women say that "men are afraid of commitment." What "commitment" is there when it can be so easily broken and discarded? Ha! exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:22 PM
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That's why I think people are just bullshitting each other as well as themselves...it's like they see marriage as some status symbol that they feel obligated to obtain because of social expectations or whatnot, not because they feel they've found a lifelong soulmate. How many couples who feel like they're "lifelong soulmates" end up splitting anyway? so why risk marriage if it's going to be treated as any other relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:21 PM
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I think the point he's making is that the cost/benefit analysis of marriage is a lot worse than driving a car or being in an airplane...50% of marriages end in divorce, meanwhile the chance of your plane crashing are extremely slim to the point where most people don't even think about the risk of flying when they board the plane. Same with driving, most people aren't anxious or worried about crashing when they drive to work everyday. 50% is not a number to take lightly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:15 PM
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Keep in mind many guys end up getting married because they were more or less pressured into it by their partners, not necessarily because they were enthusiastic about the prospect of getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:02 PM
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sure, but the institution of marriage itself doesn't seem to be needed in today's society so I don't see why people see an incentive in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 04:01 PM
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well, just reading his input on TRP shows that he's looking at thing at face value - TRP is evil and misogynistic, blah blah...he doesn't look into the valid points TRP brings up. He comes from a position where everything TRP has to say is wrong, and the only thing he has to offer as an alternative is more BluePill kool-aid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 11:39 AM
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Explain how Dr.Nerdlove is not blue pill wishy washy crap?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 10:40 AM
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Seems like they just don't want men to learn sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 10:29 AM
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Assuming this isn't a troll post, you're still wrong because the whole existence of TRP and the manosphere shows me that there's a hostile backlash against the gynocentric culture. Men are gradually waking up and I don't think they'll be doubling down on bending over backwards for women, they seem to be leaning more towards the MGTOW/paying hookers route rather than put up with female entitlement and narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:31 AM
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Actually, I'm saying not all guys at TRP are "bad hygiene" types, read my post again. I'm saying Blues are the ones who hold that bad hygiene stereotype towards Reds.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:22 AM
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I agree, for PUA type material to even exist shows that "common sense" doesn't seem to be that common. Is it because there are so many guys who are inept or is it because "common sense" is actually flawed? Reds have argued the latter but Blues don't want to hear any of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:17 AM
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I'm saying I've seen dudes who look like they aren't exactly Casanovas and who display odd behavior, bad hygiene, etc, guys who you'll think "there's just no way he has a girlfriend"...them being red pill or not is irrelevant because many of those dudes have no idea about TRP and are plugged deep into BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 04:28 AM
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Well, BPers seem to take glee in taking shots at such people even if there's "no shame" in having to learn this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 04:24 AM
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This here is what I think a lot of BPers don't get: TRP is about getting the most of your relationships while protecting yourself from the losing end of female sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 04:21 AM
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That all sounds...like pretty damaged people imo. I mean, I don't that think people fully realize or appreciate just how much of a severe disadvantage it is to lack that innate ability to be read people and be social, it really sucks for those guys who genuinely feel like they're trapped in a sort of mental prison. It's a prrfect recipe for someone to be depressed and suicidal especially as society continues to mock and jeer at such guys. You may have your own opinion on whether they are "damage…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 02:00 AM
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well, just to shits and giggles, why do you think AFBB and 80/20 is untrue? you disagree with the notion that men are often categorized as either a fuckboy or a comforting/walking wallet?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 12:56 AM
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question, do you think people who don't "just get it" are defective in some ways? Winners don't often understand the underdog's plight. So true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 12:54 AM
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DrNerdLove is as BluePill as they get. Not a good source for the kind of advice RedPill-minded guys are trying to seek.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 12:42 AM
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I don't assert that those things are untrue because everyone just knows them. I don't think those things are true. So...you're saying those things have validity yet you choose to personally disbelieve them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 12:41 AM
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Stories like this happen all the time though, enough so that guys comparing notes notice the pattern hence the 'AWALT' label, on top of that the bad boy/nice guy theme has been a cultural trope for years...because there is a ring of truth to it. It's just funny to me when questions like this are asked Blue Pillers, instead of actually addressing it, just dismiss it nonchalantly and elect to jeer at the person making the observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 11:24 AM
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People know about consent. They also know about shit-testing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 07:17 PM
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lol, it's more like the male struggle of dealing with women's vagueness and shit-testing, and that not all guys will get that what women say and what they really mean are often contradictory, worse still women like you are incapable of realizing this. In addition to a klot of men getting nexted because they failed the shit test, this also often results in other men being labeled as rapists and such when objectively they did nothing wrong. Yeah, it's a male struggle all right...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:53 PM
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go ahead and keep hamstering it all you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:46 PM
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You seem to underestimate the male sex drive. PemBayliss is right.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:38 PM
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Tell me how I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:11 PM
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you don't. you really don't. this is just you excusing yourself and other men and shifting responsibility for even your own actions onto women. I don't what? I don't have to take risks? what does a guy trying to identify shit-tests have to do with "shifting responsibility"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 05:29 PM
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I'm looking at things from a practical/objective point of view. Not emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 05:26 PM
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Blues: Women should be able to say "No" one time, and that's the end of it. A man needs to stop immediately and not press the issue further upon receiving a "no". A woman should be able to go where she wants, do what she wants, with whom she wants, and not have to constantly fend off sexual advances. A woman doesn't have to, and should not have to, do anything to enforce that "no"; a man should simply stop. Even worse than that, she can be saying "no" in the most contradictory way, being all fli…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 05:25 PM
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I don't know. I have a ways off to go, I admit that I'm still going through a lot of processing all of this stuff. Sometimes I feel too cynical to really consider that things can be for the better, it's like, sexual strategy is the norm in this SMP and I feel I'll only be used and abused if I let my guard down or give people too much the benefit of the doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 05:15 PM
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Do you actually mean: - women should never drink - women should never be around men they don't fully know? Not at all. I'm not saying you should stop living life. Go out and socialize and mingle with men, have drinks, play some pool and shoot the shit, have fun...just be careful. I mean even me as a guy I'm usually wary of strangers, I would think a woman would probably be a little more at risk since she is a woman and there are some bad men out there. Growing up, I hear among my male peers the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 05:11 PM
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Oh, get off it, the idea that women are targets and unsafe is drilled into our heads from the moment we can understand words. We understand that we're unsafe, we don't need you to remind us, or to warn us, or to blame us when something bad happens So what are you disagreeing with me for if you understand how vulbinrable women generally are? Also, just a point, a woman is more likely to be attacked by a guy that she trusts, than a stranger at the bar, so your point is totally useless. That's true…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:56 PM
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sigh again what about shit-testing? You're either deluding yourself into believing it doesn't happen or you are deliberately trying to deny it because you know there's a ring of truth to it. And again, guys have to take risks if they ever ant to get laid. If a guy listened every single time a woman said 'no' then he'd hardly get laid because a good amount of those women were shit-testing him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:50 PM
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I see where you're coming from, about playful banter between friends or just teasing someone, but I thought we were discussing sexual consent primarily. I mean, it's a bit different don't you think between being among a group in a party when someone playfully pulls someone else's leg like in your example, and a guy making sexual advances and a girl responding yay or nay? I'm talking about sex: the shit-testing that happens when a guy and girl and laying together and things are starting to get ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:44 PM
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Thank you. Someone reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:19 PM
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It's not. I'm saying if people want there to be less "rapey" situations then women should drop shit-testing as a sexual strategy. Until then, guys are going to interact with women knowing that women say one thing but mean another.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:17 PM
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Sure, but I'm addressing the issue of informed consent and the people who are up in arms about guys "raping" women when a woman says 'no' without taking into account the fact that women regularly shit-test men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:15 PM
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I'm coming to the conclusion that they live in their own bubble and refuses outright to at least try to look at things from an objective/practical viewpoint. Notice how they've attacked me in this thread, calling me a rape apologist right off the bat when at the start of my post I made it cleat that I'm not condoning rape in any way shape or form. I'm simply saying it's in women's best interest to apply some common sense and not be naive to avoid certain situations that could potentially lead to…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:13 PM
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For the 100th time I'm not saying it's okay for guys to rape or that it's acceptable to rape in given circumstances..I'm saying women just need to have some common sense when they're drunk and/or around men they don't fully know or trust because bad things do happen. We tell people it's common sense not to go walk into a bad neighborhood at night for your own safety, why can't the same logic be applied to women and having the common sense to be careful in situations involving booze, drugs, and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:05 PM
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What I'm saying is they just need to be aware that there will always be the possibility of danger, no matter how slim the chances, and to not take for granted situations in which they get too drunk or too comfortable around guys they don't fully know or trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 03:57 PM
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Most women "play those games" though. Most people really. No one ever really knows about this stuff about another person until it comes down to the actual situation we're discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 03:54 PM
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so repeating it didn't make it sink in, then. no is no, the end. I thought the whole point of the repeating is because she's too timid to get the point across, or she's indecisive. i agree that nothing good will come out of it... so he shouldn't push. I don't think he get what I'm saying. I'm talking about her and what she wants or doesn't want. In this context we already know what the guy wants - sex, and we know he's willing to ppush his luck, I'm talking about consent and whether a 'no' is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 03:52 PM
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Lol, there's a difference between taking precautions and what you said, which boils down to: 'Women need to be able to physically push a man away before he'll get that no means no.' It shouldn't necessarily have to get to that point, I think ff she said "No" in a loud and firm tone most men will take the hint and back off. If he keeps pushing even after that, then yes that warrants a slap to the face or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 02:05 PM
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If women are saying 'no' and it's not a shit-test, then she needs to make that 'no' into a 'No' and get the point across that the guy needs to back off. If that means coming off as a rude bitch or whatever then so be it. If she means no but is saying 'no' very meekly and without much firmness and the guy is pushing his luck thinking she's shit-testing...nothing good will come out of it. or you can just find a happily consenting woman and save yourself the risk. Women who will "happily consent" a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 01:57 PM
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I understand and I agree that men should be more carefull as well and to look after themeves, absoutly. But again I'm being a realist here, guys want to get laid..that male sex drive compels men to think with their other head too often which is why guys can get pushy, I'm not saying it's the smartest thing to do, I'm just acknowledging that it happens. That being said, women should be aware of this as well and I believe most of them are. Honestly I believe most women are careful, it's the ones w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 01:46 PM
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If I went out and got mugged by drunk, aggressive people while drinking at a bar, it's the muggers fault, but I would still accept that I knew the risk of that happening when I decided to walk into a bar where those sorts of things can happen. It's why some bar owners employ bouncers because they know that things can happen, not to say that they happen often but that can still happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 01:38 PM
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Most men will not rape. But there are a few men who will rape, and women still need to be wary of the possibilities, no matter how far off it seems. Everyone thinks nothing bad could happen to them until the day it happens. You're making it seem like I'm saying most men will take advantage of women if given the chance, I'm saying the few men who do such things are the ones women need to watch out for.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 01:34 PM
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Yeah, and do you find yourself suddenly overcome with an urge to date any of those women? Or do you feel an urge to stay the hell away? and how exactly are we supposed to know if a woman shit-tests or not? also, a lost of shit-testing happens on a subconscious level and many women don't even realize that they're doing it. When a good many women shit-tests, it's safe to assume that most of the ones you'll come across will also shit-test. A guy can acquire as many options as he can, but if the shi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 01:29 PM
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is that what i quoted? because in both scenarios, men were forcing themselves on women who didn't consent. No. In one scenario a woman was clearly unconscious and could not give any consent whatsoever. That's not the same as a woman who's conscious, says "no" but is too timid/weak and so "consents" to sex by submitting. why do you feel that men should get a pass for everything that they do? I'm not saying men should get a pass. I'm saying they shouldn't be called rapists when the situation that …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 01:25 PM
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They aren't, they shouldn't risk going against someone's sexual agency just to pass a shit test and get some steamy sex. Guys want to get laid. And guys are aware of women's shit-testing. So here we in this situation. Guys should be careful as well and not be too risky, but you're essentially telling guys to just pretend that shit-testing doesn't exist. I already responded to OP, but my opinion in short: Women shouldn't shit-test when faced with a situation where they have to assume responsibili…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 01:17 PM
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Good grief the amount of hamstering here is astonishing...being a responsible adult and having the common sense to look out for certain things in order to prevent certain things, makes the person suggesting those things a "rape apologist". Unbelievable. Not an ounce of introspection. Why do so many people feel women should get a pass for every thing they do no matter how stupid or irresponsible some of their actions are?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 01:04 PM
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Mind games are giant red flag They also seem to be a standard element in modern courting and relationships. We have women in this very thread saying that shit-testing is normal and is actually a good way of gauging the quality of a potential partner. The fuck...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 12:52 PM
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I'm not ignoring OP's question, I can easily say the same thing towards OP: women can't change men's behavior but they individually can decider to stop shit-testing men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 12:50 PM
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sigh So then...women shit-test men because it's the best way to test the quality if their partners, and at the same time there's all this outrage of guys pushing through women's "no's" because they are aware of female shit-testing and think this is what she's doing to them... I'm at a loss here...if you yourself are admitting that women shit-test men out of necessity then how are guys supposed to navigate through the shit-testing while at the same time trying to avoid being called a rapist? Hone…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 12:41 PM
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Why shouldn't women have the same expectation of safety? The world isn't perfect bad things happen to undeserving people. Women should have the expectation of safety, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be careless because there are bad people out there who target such women. I always tell my sister whenever she goes out with her friends to be careful and have each other's backs. I say that to her because I'm a realist and as much as I expect her to come home safely I know that there are still …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 12:33 PM
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when a male kid, from the good suburbs of Sydney, wandered into a place that is known for its violence (Kings Cross) and was punched and killed, there was no 'assault apologism' for the attack. You're right, I doubt there was any kind of 'assault apologism'..however I'm willing to bet that some people were thinking "if only that kid had known not to wander into that area"...notice how they;re defending the people who committed the assault, they're just saying the kid should have been more alert …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 12:27 PM
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I think a lot of it is done subconsciously which presents a problem. If women are hardwired to shit-test men then I'm not not sure as to what should be done to encourage more open and honest communication. Others however do it consciously and to put my words in better context those are ones I'm referring to when I say they should stop shit-testing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 12:10 PM
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according to many of the women here evidently, it's her right to go out after dark in a bad neighborhood, drunk and scantly dressed and expect a 110% chance that nothing bad will happen to her whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 11:57 AM
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You know what would really help? if women stopped shit-testing men altogether to see if their "bold" and whatnot. If women did this, then guys would know that "no" really does mean "no" and "yes" really does mean "yes" and we'd probbaly have less cases of this stuff. Basically, people need to be more honest with their communication especially when it comes to sex. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be a realistic scenario anytime soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 11:53 AM
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Guys should back off after it's clear that she's not goofing around and she's serious..this is where things get murky: if a guy has it in his mind that she's just putting up LMR but she's being serious, then she needs to make it more clear and more forceful that she's serious..believe it or not most guys do take the hint and will back off. But when she doesn't speak up or only offers minuscule resistance, it can easily lead to a situation where sex takes place and she's not fully into it so she …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 11:47 AM
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To assume that all people are kind hearted is absolutely stupid and I daresay entitled. You can tell that to u/lollygagyo who doesn't appear to be a fan of the notion of women being more careful and responsible in certain situations and doesn't seem to want to accept the fact that the world isn't a perfect place and bad things do happen to undeserving people. Women don't deserve to be raped, but it does happen, and there are some things women can do to better prevent it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 11:40 AM
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Let me ask you a question, if you go out walking in the middle of the night in a bad neighborhood that you know is bad and you end up getting mugged, are you going to say that it's 110% the fault the of person who mugged you? that there was absolutely nothing you could have done to prevent the mugging such as having the foresight and common sense to not walk into a bad neighborhood in the middle of the night? are you not going to shift some of the blame to yourself when you don't wear your seat-…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 11:28 AM
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Again I'm not defending rapists, all I'm saying is women should take better care of themselves and not put themselves in situations they might later regret. Is that really an unreasonable argument? How does that make me a "rape apologist"? Also, maybe part if the problem is women shit-testing men. If women didn't shit-test men the way they do when they're down to hookup but still say "no" in order to gauge a man's boldness to see if he has to balls to go for what he wants, maybe there wouldn't b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 05:53 AM
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My issue with the "high beta" label is that I don't see much of a difference, beta is still beta no matter what. The doctor making six figures annually can still get cucked by a jobless 19 year old Alpha stud. That's the point I'm trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 01:08 AM
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On one hand you're saying people are just supposed to get it and even with practice it's not guaranteed that they'll learn those skills...so if they don't just get it and they turn to TRP for help they get mocked for it? they're being mocked for needed things explained to them? Like I said. BPers are sociopaths who have no interest in actually trying to understand or help RP dudes. They just get a kick out of jeering and mocking TRP for being full of awkward, frustrated, and depressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 08:37 PM
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And obviously you shouldn't tell your kids that everyone's lying to them. But most parents trust their children (to a point) to be able to make up their own thoughts, and to recognize bullshit when they hear it. Those parents might shocked to learn that little Billy is a weak pushover who will have a hard time recognizing bullshit because he's trusting that his parents and teachers aren't lying to him because kids are told to trust adults, right? Adults should stop bullshitting kids and be real …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 07:06 PM
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So in other words, it's their own fault for being social inept, sheltered, and not just "getting it". Your nonchalant way of stating this goes to show how little people care about this stuff and it only contributes to the problem that some kids aren't going to just "get it". So basically you're throwing kids into the world while giving them inaccurate or incomplete information and expect them to just figure things out on their own and then get shammed and mocked when they struggle to figure thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:56 PM
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because those middle school kids who are not athletic and popular often get told things like "don't worry about those guys getting all the girls, you're fine the way you are." It should be emphasized to them that being anything less than popular and athletic is a hindrance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 01:14 AM
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But your whole argument is basically saying "anything less than a dark triad personality" is something that needs to be adjusted. A guy doesn't have to have explosive tantrums every other day for his openness to work against him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 12:44 AM
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God help those male children being raised in such an effeminate environment. I imagine only female embryos would be preferred while keeping only a small handful of men who provide enough sperm to fertilize the eggs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 12:41 AM
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People lie though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 12:36 AM
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Based on what studies? People lie about their N counts. Women lie to make it seem less while men lie to make it seem more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 12:34 AM
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But if the person you are when you open up is, well, a shitty person What makes a "shitty" person? a guy lamenting on him being in a depressed rut, losing a job, losing a home, etc? Women feel disgusted by guys who display that kind of vulnerability so does that mean those guys were shitty people? You make no sense here. They could hide their personality, yes. But I suggest that they try to change their personality. Well then so much for "just being yourself", right? Dark triad and stoicism is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 12:32 AM
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I think the fact that certain language gets donwvoted is because it's a reflection of the person doing the downvoting emotions, basically women and BPers don't like being called out on certain things even if they feel deep down that it's true or has merit so they shame the "language" in order to tone down the vibe. we're discussing what goes on in a male locker room but they don't want to use male locker room talk? This is a case in point example of how society caters to women's feelz and the PC…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 12:26 AM
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The fact that displays of emotion are unattractive does not make the reverse (stoicism) attractive. It makes it not unattractive, or neutral. But stoicism does become attractive when compared to losing frame and "being open" with your emotions. So that by logic, stoicism is attractive. Women just don't realize how attractive it really is until their partner loses frame she becomes disgusted by his lack of stoicism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 12:21 AM
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their 'inner selves'? what are you saying? that they're 'inner selves' were a defective character or trait? then those guys can't truly be themselves then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 12:18 AM
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C'mon, PPD is a direct reaction to TRP the male locker room. That mans some TRP lingo is going to be in PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 12:08 AM
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oh ok, gothca.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 12:07 AM
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Just going by simple numbers..no. The open SMP doesn't allow all men to be "top-20%" alphas because even if every guy on Earth lifted and got ripped, it only raise the standard for men overall,including the already top-tier men. There will still be a top 20% of guys and women will still only want those guys. The good news for guys is that not all, I would even most, men spend the time and effort required to lift and be as attractive as possible. Just by doing that you're putting yourself ahead o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 11:26 PM
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So in other words you want the tone to be more PC and BP-friendly...the whole point of TRP using the language they do is to grab attention and stick out, it intrigues people and actually draws people into the discussion. It's a male locker room and frankly the un-PC and blunt language should be tolerated by BPs and other critics if they want to have a real discussions on the issues TRP beings up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 11:21 PM
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Why do you feel that way? especially 80/20?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 11:15 PM
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It can't be entirely dismissed though can it? Humans are still animals on the most biological level...with primal animal instincts. The power of the reptilian part of the brain is underestimated I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 11:10 PM
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Mingling your assets with someone is just a dumb idea by itself. You're deeply vulnerable and exposed. A modern marriage is roughly a 50/50 coin toss in today's society...great odds in Vegas but not signing a marriage contract with someone who you;re supposed to love, and be committed to for the rest of your life. I feel people treat it it less seriously now and more just like any other relationship but with added legal headaches if a split occurs. I don't know..I just don't see any sense in min…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 11:09 PM
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Stoicism is not attractive to the vast majority of women. Bullshit. I don't buy that for a minute. I know feminized/BP society is trying to get guys to "open up", be vulnerable, show emotion, etc but the truth is guys get burned badly when they do that. While lifting is the best thing men can do to improve their looks and does not often result in the extreme bodybuilder physique on magazines, it will still only improve the average man about 1 to 1.5 points on the 1-10 scale. Women mostly care ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 11:04 PM
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AWALT Treat all guns as though they're loaded. Alpha = Good; Beta = Bad I don't think I agree with your view on "High Betas". Not not all quite dudes who write stories, compose music, or program code are going to be the next Stephen King, the modern Mozart, or opinion behind the next world standard operating system. Most of of these so called "high betas" are going to miserably slave away in some cubicle day after day for peanuts, maybe he'll end up married and get some decent sex, but he'll pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:52 PM
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I agree about the noobs, but how do you thunk those other things you mentioned are not being characterized right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:35 PM
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I don't think it's saying that all women are slutty, I think BPers take that too literally, when TRP says "all" women are like that what they're saying is that while women are individuals, them as a collective group have displayed repeated patterns of behavior. This doesn't mean all women are like that, it means women are capable of being like that. That's why TRP looks treats it like treated all guns as if they're loaded. It's all about looking after yourself fist and foremost and your own best…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:33 PM
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Men being "lied to" about having to be attractive to, you know, be attractive Be attractive how? to lift, have an attractive body, dress well, be socially fluent? sure those things can be vaguely stated in most MSM outlets and at the bottom of the list of their "advice", but those things aren't exactly emphasized as much as they probably should be, especially as society insists on mass producing effeminate betas who are socially inept, that being said you know, be attractive attractive as in bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 10:27 PM
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Freedom and independence vs having a good person by your side to help you whether through life....sigh the latter does sound good to me, but I've been alone my whole life that I don't think choosing the former can do much harm at this point, freedom and independence come at the price of being lonely but like I said I don't know anything else for me to miss anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 06:15 AM
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You got burned, but you still found yourself open to more LTRs. I'm not not criticizing your choices, I just find it odd...even though I've never been in an LTR, I've seen enough guys go through so much bullshit in LTRs that it makes me wonder why anyone would open themselves up to that degree to another person and be willing to whether that bullshit for the sake of maintaining said LTR. I mean, we only have a short time to love, it seems to me like there's more risks than reward to keep trying …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 06:08 AM
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Hmm..that's strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 11:11 PM
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...huh? o_0
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 09:01 PM
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You get to an age where it is simply easier with the one you are with than going off and finding someone else. Sad but it happens all the time. You make it sound as though people are just settling for the sake of not being alone. I don't think that doesn't anyone any good. It is better to actively find a good woman (they exist) and work together to create something good. 1 in like 1000 women may be okay...it just seems like the numbers work against you and therefore you'd be doing yourself a dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 04:11 PM
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I guess this sums up what I mean, even if I would prefer an LTR most women don't have that in mind so I must adjust accordingly. It really is unfortunate for guys who want LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 06:40 AM
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The guys coming to these sites can benefit from them - so long as they're willing to eventually turn off the computer, get outside and start applying RP principals in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 09:08 PM
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From what I understand "black pill" is basically Omega type guys who see the game for what it is but instead of adapting and self-improving they decide that they're not going bother trying to tackle their problems, they resign themselves to being sexually unwanted and would rather wallow in hate and self-pity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 10:39 PM
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In my time in the manosphere which has included many discussions regarding Muslim extremism, I've learned that young Muslim men are going through their own set of problems. It's easy for Westerners who don't know better to look in and conclude that "it must be easy" for Muslim guys to snag women in countries where women are oppressed - this is actually not true for many Muslim guys. It's important to keep in mind that these guys live in countries where a man can legally have multiple wives, wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 06:56 PM
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Well, since this forum revolves around the discussions on TRP, and since a good chunk of the user base on TRP consists of incels, I think it'd be a disservice to censor the incel content outright. There's a reason why many of these guys are going to TRP in droves (they really have no where else to turn to talk about these things) and since TRP has little tolerance to hear incels (all they're told is 'quit whining faggot and go lift'), PPD can be a good place for some of these guys to hear other …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 01:17 AM
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It sounds more like a troll post than someone who genuinely cares, and if it's not a troll then the person (a sex addict apparently) still isn't in a position to be telling frustrated virgins that it's not a big deal when that person has received a ton of sex and the validation that comes with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 09:13 PM
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I've already read some of their reasoning, that it "promotes rape culture" or some other stupid shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 06:43 PM
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Not really, you're saying sexual attraction is not the same as 'romantic attraction'? If that's what you're saying then you're reaffirming Alpha Fuck/Beta Bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 06:42 PM
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Why don't we stop worrying about whether staring at a girl is rape or not and instead focus on birth control issues? Since you mention that, care to give an explanation on why many feminists are vehemently opposed to a male birth control pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 06:12 PM
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Science says no What science are you referring to? So literally NO OTHER VARIABLES are at play here? Literally none? What other variables can you list? Obv women break up because they lack sexual attraction. I mean what other reason could there be? NOPE CAN'T THINK OF ONE Do you not see that you're contradicting yourself? On one hand you're saying women fall over men just as much as vice versa, but then you concede that women initiate most breakups because they're no longer attracted to their pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 06:04 PM
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The same response I just gave to u/sen--sen: I should have worded my post better, I wasn't talking about the women here on PPD who were posting in that thread, I meant the article itself being geared towards a female audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 05:25 AM
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And feminism can be considered reactionary to the old, out of date, sexist views that our society used to have on them. MGTOW and TRP are mostly filled with guys who can't accept that times have changed. Once upon a time feminism was about giving women basic rights on the same level as men, true equality. What we have today is an abomination known as "third wave" that tells women most men will rape them if given the chance, that it's basically okay to treat men, even their own partners, like shi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 05:22 AM
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MGTOW and TRP can be considered reactionary to the toxicity of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 04:54 AM
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I should have worded my post better, I wasn't talking about the women here on PPD who were posting in that thread, I meant the article itself being geared towards a female audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 04:08 AM
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Honestly who cares? If you have problems with your girlfriend having some hookups in her past you have bigger issues. It just feeds the red pill fantasy-hate against women. You hear that, boys? We're just a bunch of insecure pricks for refusing to commit to hypergamous sluts who weren't sluts for us, oh how dare we...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 08:15 AM
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I wouldn't label either of those guys 'dark triad' - sure Dahmer was a pyshcopath, but there's wasn't anything "alpha" about him, he was a meek weirdo. Lanza from what I understand was a shut in anomaly, social skills practically non-existent not even marginally.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 11:55 PM
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A guy who lacks social skills trying to be dark triad...is not going to get very far.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 11:41 PM
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Women get realistic with their standards and realize that the stable relationship they want is likely going to be offered by a guy who doesn't look like a Greek god or who isn't the exactly a social butterfly or the life of the party, that their ideal prince charming is a guy who has no incentive to commit because all the women are throwing themselves at him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 11:37 PM
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When women have a man who's 100% tingled and 0 comfort they want to commit suicide. They'll still fuck him though, wont they... Betas err too much on the comfort side, alphas err too much on the tingles side Hence why those guys (betas) need things like TRP so that they can better balance/look after themselves to the point where their wives don't look down on them/take advantage of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 06:13 AM
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The answer is still pretty relevant though considering what is is that the the women are complaining about "Where are all the good men who will commit?" The issue here is that the type of guys women are attracted to are the guys who will not commit. The guys who will commit..are guys women aren't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 05:35 AM
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"large percentage" lol yeah..sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 05:31 AM
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Where have all the good men gone? They were rejected and discarded by the same women who claim they want a "good" man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 05:20 AM
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That doesn't change anything, because even, still...comfort is secondary to tingly horniness, isn't it??
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 05:07 AM
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Translation: AFBB.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 03:54 AM
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I don't think most guys would be down for that arrangment. No self-respecting guys anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 01:38 AM
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But if PUA/TRP has been proven to work, to where a guy doesn't find himself having to wait and jump through hoops, doesn't it make sense that guys will continue to apply RP if women respond favorably to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 01:21 AM
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Women don't operate on logic, they operate on 'in the moment' feelz.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 01:13 AM
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True that finding a good mix of AF/BB qualities in one man is rare. Is that why we see a push for polyamory and "open relationships" where women get the best of both world? the beta hubby to provide a stable homelife while also enjoying alpha cock on the side?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 01:05 AM
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AFBB. Women separate guys between the ones who give them the tingles (alpha fucks), and the guys who give them the emotional comfort/resources (beta bucks). The former are the guys who regularly have casual sex with women, the latter are the guys who have to offer something in return for sex usually in the form of an LTR. When women say they "love" their beta husbands/boyfriends it's a different kind of "love" than what they have for alphas - the "love" for betas is based on emotional comfort an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 12:35 AM
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That self-perpetrating fear is a result of constant ridicule and rejection from women and those "above" the "losers" in the social hierarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 06:19 AM
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That doesn't make much sense, by that logic a low-SMV guy who decides to wait until he finds his unicorn has "high-SMV" because he's choosing to wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 03:22 AM
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so on on hand you're denying that low-SMV women have higher SMV by default but at the same time you're saying a low SMV woman can regularly get sex with more attractive men. So which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 02:01 AM
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A less than attractive girl, if she is so inclined, can go out every night and get no-strings-attached sex from an attractive guy. But can they always? And if one attractive guy says no, no matter... there will be others thirsty enough to say yes. But those thirsty men are the betas, men she wants nothing to do with because she's waiting for next unicorn. You're ignoring the fact that not all the beta guys are necessarily thirsty and some of them don't actually want her, but in her mind the only…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 12:45 AM
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If a woman just wants to have no strings attached sex and she can find a hot, willing guy her SMV goes up. Unless she's getting laid consistently from attractive guys then no, her objective SMV doesn't go up just because s got laid by chad a few times, she's still having to ward off men of her own league because she's refusing to play the game in her own league, she'd rather opt out and wait until chad comes (however ling that may be) rather deal with the men of her equivalent SMV. Just because …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 12:03 AM
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Still not acknowledging the inate differences between male and female sexuality. Oh well, there's only so much one can do/say when the other person refuses to factor in all variables so I guess this argument is moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 11:16 PM
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So you admit women are hostile/indifferent towards men, then chastise him for stating men should do the same towards women? talk about being a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 10:51 PM
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If it's that hard to get no strings, learn how to work with strings. You don't need to marry, but you can at least be the best possible friend with benefits. I wasn't just referring to casual sex exclusively, I meant LTR's too, some guys can't even get a genuine coffee date with a fatty.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 10:20 PM
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I'm saying if she can get laid by men who are much more attractive to her she is not, by definition, low SMV. Your hamster wheel is in overdrive. You're completely disregarding that male sexuality female sexuality are different, attractive men who have sex with unattractive women doesn't change the objectivity that she's unattractive, this is a woman who gets hit on by men of her equivalent or lower while at the same time some of those same men have rejected her, but once that unicorn Chad decid…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 10:12 PM
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Why do BPers continue to deny this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 09:46 PM
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Daycare can do all those things? No, but that's not the point. People shouldn't be putting their kids into daycares, have to work and no one to watch the kid? then the question is why did you have a kid to begin with if you were financially unfit to adequately raise a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 09:46 PM
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Where are you going with this? are you saying that a low-SMV fatty knows she's low-SMV and knows whatever lays she gets are with guys who are likely just wanting to have fun with a fatty but regardless she'll take it..? so low-SMV women by default of being female have higher SMV than low-SMV men of their "equivalent", eggs are valuable while sperm is abundant and cheap, men are disposable. You agree with TRP then.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 09:42 PM
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You're strawmanning hard here...not all the guys who are frustrated are the neckbeards asking for nude pics, I would even say the most of guys on TRP are the ones who don't ask for nude pics or send nude pics, they're the guys who put in long, thoughtful messages to the girls they like, her responses are positive but as soon as he makes the move to shift things in the direction he wants to go she reveals that that she's not interested in him "in that way" but she enjoys his company nevertheless …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 09:29 PM
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A fat/unattractive woman is not the same SMV as the chad who fucks her. He's fucking her because she was convenient and he's not particularly picky, not because he was looking within his league. Guys love sex, and even chads will want to have fun with fat woman just for the fun of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 07:10 AM
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That's male sexuality, even high-SMV chad go "whale hunting" with their friends just for the thrill of it, because guys love sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 06:27 AM
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Sure, guys want top-tier girl, but most guys also realize that they likely won't score a woman with model looks, they approach the uglies and fatties but the uglies and fatties want nothing less than a top-tier Chad, it doesn't help that chads fuck unattractive women just for the hell of it which causes those women to have an inflated sense of their (low) SMV, they become bitter and 'alpha widowed' when they find themselves having to settle for a boring beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 05:36 AM
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Ah, but that's what daycare is for, so that women can go out and be the all powerful career woman rivals men while also being a wife and a 'mother'...this is part of the problem, women relaying on the State to raise their kids instead of strong parental figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:04 AM
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See what I mean? it's bullshit, and yet so many mainstreamers, BPers, feminists, whatever you want to call them find this kind of thing totally acceptable and necessary. Because a few men commit rape it's assumed we're all predisposed to those tendencies, and yet if there were to be seminars for women on how not to be a gold-digger you can guarantee that there be huge outcry. One-sided, hypocritical bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 03:41 AM
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Dude, you seem to be completely out of touch with reality - women collectively don't care about men's problems, oh but they totally expect us to support their issues, that's what I'm trying to get at, it's lopsided and hypocritical and its why a lot of guys aren't concern with empathizing with women because 9 time out of 10 the worry and concern is NOT reciprocated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 02:02 AM
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How is men's sexuality shamed? If the wrong guy (i.e. "creeps") even so much as looks at a girl he likes or tries to say "hi" then it counts as "sexual harassment" or whatever and the guy is told to fuck off, porn and prostitution are demonized, when guys ask for help/advice on approaching women they're often met with snarky remarks like "what makes you think she even wants to be approached?", or that just trying to apply some game is evil and manipulative, and then when guys express frustration…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 01:45 AM
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That's nonsense. TRP doesn't talk about it much because it's common sense - you wont see a lot of RP guys telling a guy who can't even wipe his ass that he's on the right track.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 01:13 AM
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What do you mean there's nothing to argue? I'm telling what the issues are and inviting people to challenge them if they feel they're untrue. You just don't like hearing what I have to say and so want the mods to censor the content instead of addressing it. This post must have struck a nerve with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 11:58 PM
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It's a legitimate CMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:12 PM
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lol..no they're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 12:37 PM
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You're one of the most reasonable and balanced women I've come across on these forums and that's cool. I see where you're coming from, but do you think that that feminism/progressiveness has gone too far regarding gender dynamics given the things that I've listed? what do you think would be the best course of action from this point?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 12:05 PM
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This is very much the wrong thing for men to do if the goal is fixing the largest number of problems possible for themselves (i.e. maximize utility to men). It makes sense to acknowledge that even given the disadvantages you listed (and they are not insignificant, to be sure) men also have many advantages over women - rather disproportionate representation in high level politics, high level executive positions, and high level military positions (meaning officer and up), just to name a few. Given…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 12:01 PM
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I agree that men should be more proactive with their lives, but you seem to be unaware that education these days is very female-centric, once upon a time men were doing very good in school, enter women's lib and suddenly they're doing worse then they've been in years? why is that? did they just decide to give up on themselves now that they had females in the classroom? I don't think so. Look, I'm not saying that guys shouldn't need to improve themselves - they do, but it raises the question..why…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 11:34 AM
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She's not engaging in the desired behaviors because she wants to, she's doing it because of what she fears will happen if she doesn't. But if she's straying, then it's reasonable to conclude that she is already becoming detached from the relationship all together and has her eyes open for a better deal. If anything, employing dread game is the person actually making the attempt to salvage the relationship. Other people would just call out their SO and end things right then and there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 09:32 AM
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But wouldn't you agree that dread game does work in that it's likely to instill the desired response from your SO? (being more attentive to your needs after you notice her beginning to stray). People don't like to think of relationships like this, where it's a constant game of "one-upping), but it seems more and more to me that in order to successful "maintain" a relationship often becomes necessary to employ such tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 09:06 AM
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If, however, you mimic all the behaviors of an Alpha, but you're actually a niceguy Beta faking it to smash some pussy, you're a horrible human being Sexual strategy. Guys are going to do what works and what makes them more attractive to women, if that means being a "faker" and a "horrible human being" then so be it..I don't understand why critics of TRP suggest that sub-par males just accept being sub-par when they see all the Alpha douchebros swimming in pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 09:03 AM
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If either sex is having trouble, then there is a lot of room to lower their standards, but of course no one likes that option. Men lower their standards all the time, but the ugly females and landwhales feel they don't need to lower theirs since they don't really have to...because there's a horde of thirsty betas out there who will validate the egos of those women regardless of how unattractive they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:49 AM
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I would smile, tell her I wish her luck and hope she and the baby do well, I would then promptly dump her and kick her out of the house because it would be impossible for me to knock a woman up due to a vasectomy. Cheating, hypergamous whore thinking she can rope-a-dope me into raising some bastard offspring that's not mine, I don't think so. She can go shack up with some beta cuck who will give her what she wants but not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 11:28 PM
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Don't they only make up like ~1.0% of the population..
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 11:19 PM
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I'm not switching the goalpost of the OP, I"m only responding to u/CrazyTom54 making the comparison of sexual strategy to murdering and shitting in public, and the only reason I mention women being given a pass is because I'm perplexed by the reaction given to TRP/PUA/manosphere given that men struggling often have nowhere else to vent about their problems. I'm not trying to throw a pity-party, just trying to understand why people are upset of the notion of men applying sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 05:41 AM
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We're talking about sexual dynamics here, not murdering people or taking a crap in their pool. To answer your first part, a woman can and often does cheat of she's unsatisfied at home, it can be argued that she's fulfilling her own sexual strategy but the thing is women are often given a pass for this behavior where's if a man cheats it's just because he's a asshole, no one ever looks deeper into it. If you take a look at r/relationships you'll notice how one-sided it is - women are wonderful wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 02:01 AM
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True, not all men can get into the top %, but all men can certainly walk away from their designated sub-par tier beta status.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 01:27 AM
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I'm not saying I'm waiting on them, but that's essentially what you're saying guys should do if they're not douchbros. Just hold out for that 1/1000th woman who will like you for who you are, instead of being practical and adjusting themselves so that more women can like them. It's like using the same shitty race car that keeps getting smoked and wait until an even more shitty car comes along that you can beat instead of suping up your own car to make it more competitive with the other race cars…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 01:26 AM
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Which is why TRP tells guys to get themselves into the top %.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 01:19 AM
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They're probably not as happy as they seem or as other people perceive them. They're probably going thorough hell on the inside, especially as they watch as the world operates counter to their "good" nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 12:57 AM
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"Just be patient and wait. The right one will come along". Sigh. More typical BP nonsense. That's disappointing. I for one no longer have the patience to wait around for these dumb bimbos to get their heads out of their asses just for me to get a chance with them and I'm sure many other men would agree. Your advice is really worthless when a large bulk of females don't have the patience or desire to deal with average, regular men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 12:53 AM
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I didn't mean treating people like shit just for the sake of it, but that men shouldn't have to be dependent on women in order to "be happy", even if this means being less nice and more selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 12:50 AM
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Only for men who depend on female attention for validation. The men who don't need this will not end up miserable and alone like you claim, they'll be fine dealing with women on their own terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 12:38 AM
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SO what would your advice be to guys who don't wish to be abusive assholes but find that women are attracted to assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 12:33 AM
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Guys who take this strategy end up feeling like miserable, lonely pieces of shit sooner or later even if they were able to rack up a notch count. The guys I know who live that lifestyle seem pretty content with themselves. I've even asked them about this myself, why they don't just settle with a girl and their responses can pretty much be summed up into AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 12:29 AM
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Every single person, man and woman, on this planet is a sexual creature and desires to have sex, from a biological standpoint that really is our main purpose in life. It's the reason you and I are even having this discussion right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 12:27 AM
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That's not an easy pill to swallow for the sexually inadequate who don't get opportunities to find out for themselves, so your response is actually sort of condescending and dismissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 12:26 AM
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Well, some of the root causes of crime is poverty, the whole reason guys get into the dope game isn't to look tough or cool, it's to make more money than they ever would have in their whole lifetime doing things the 'legitimate' way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 12:23 AM
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Many men who have morals can't get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 12:21 AM
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If you have to lie to a woman to make your arrangement work, you're doing it wrong. "Well she wouldn't sleep with me otherwise." Tough shit, move on. If you have to lie to make something work, it's already failed. Sexual strategy is amoral? if lying produces more results then how can one discard it? maybe it is selfish and shitty..but so far so far that doesn't seem to matter much in the scheme of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 08:25 PM
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I'm not a scrawny female nerd I wasn't meaning you exactly, I meant rhetorically. Fat men are given a lot more leeway in terms of SMV than fat women. Really? with all the BBW porn fetish out there it seems like guys are the ones more willing to compromise with fatties than women would be. I'm not contradicting myself. Of course a 3/10 has a harder time than a 6/10 but it's because he's a 3 and she's a 6. They're not comparable just because he thinks they are -- from a more 'objective' standpoint…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/16 01:37 AM
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I honestly think this has a lot to do with men evaluating their worth poorly. A scrawny female nerd could easily be a 6/10, whereas a scrawny male nerd (barring huge personality points) is more likely to be a 3. Thinness is read differently in men vs women in terms of attractiveness. Skinny women are conventionally 'hot', skinny men aren't. Right. So here you're admitting and agreeing with TRP that women have it easier if you're saying that the low-SMV scrawny female nerd can still be considered…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/16 12:55 AM
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and hopefully I don't end up on the local news, chopped up into pieces in a bag tossed along the highway...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 09:33 PM
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It's a tricky balance to maintain, especially when one is more heavily favored than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 09:31 PM
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Until some ideal model emerges, men will be striving for primal masculinity, and some unhinged minds will lose it in the process, we often see this in the form of mass shootings.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 09:29 PM
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But play within your own ballpark (it's essential for casual sex) ie go for women who are about as attractive as you are and it all becomes about confidence. People tend to group in 'tiers' of looks -- birds of a feather and all that -- when it comes to casual sex. Ah, but this is where a lot of guys find themselves running into problems. First of all I don't deny that there's a "league" system and unattractive people shouldn't be expecting to be picking up hotties all the time, but you should k…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 08:04 PM
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both can apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 04:45 AM
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IS it really paranoid though? paranoia implies that there's an irrational fear, I don't think some of the thing TRP discusses is irrational because some issues do have validity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 07:55 PM
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okay then...so why all the surprise and mystification at "hate" and "misogyny" that TRP/manosphere produces? Why do people just expect the "bottom 80%" to just shut up and be content?? Not saying that it's right but just pointing out why guys are frustrated. lets be real though, we know it that statistic is an exaggeration but more or less a fair 'blueprint' that people agree upon
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 09:28 AM
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I wouldn't be quite so dismissive, monogamy may be a crumbling institution now but you cannot deny that traditional monogamy had kept things more or less "in check"..women weren't out slutting around and guys weren't players, people married off relatively early and things were more or less "balanced", guys had their wife and women had their security. it may have not been the most ideal arrangement but it worked..enter feminism and the sexual revolution and now who the hell wants to settle with b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 08:42 AM
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That sounds more like the stereotype that Blue Pillers push, that RPers are just a new wave of wannabes, pathetic "PUAs" who put pussy on a pedestal...let me tel you something...in my time on TRP it's mostly been about self-improvement and making yourself into a much better version of yourself. TRP doesn't put pussy on a pedestal, far from it, if anything TRP seeks to destroy putting pussy on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 06:41 AM
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Sorry but I think you're wrong here, rampant divorce, hypergamy, AFBB...guys really have no reason to make a "better future" because it looks like the future already looks bleak. If you can make an argument on why guys shouldn't enjoy the decline I'd like to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 03:42 AM
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Interesting perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 01:41 AM
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by 'the female friends' thing are you referring to the notion that men shouldn't be friends with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 01:05 AM
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This is a really flawed comparison. How on earth is having an easy time or hard time getting laid on the same level as getting raped? Being raped is not getting laid, geez..
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 06:20 PM
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MGTOW isn't about isolating oneself from the world necessarily, it's more about putting yourself first and not feeling pressure to follow society's narrative for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 07:36 AM
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Strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 03:48 AM
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There are not more problems than there used to be, we've just become better at naming and communicating them. Okay, but are we becoming better at solving those problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 03:47 AM
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So what are you saying? that those guys are actively engaging in destructive behavior? I wouldn't really equate selfishness/Machiavellian sexual strategy with villain-like antagonistic tendencies that seek to actively harm others just for the sake of harming others. The way a lot of RP guys see things, girls are out riding the cock-carousel and branch swinging, taking advantage of guys with tendencies while banging alphas on the side..so they've decided to just start rolling with the punches and…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 03:46 AM
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How is MGTOW decadent and useless?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 03:34 AM
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Your post sort of throw me off towards the end, you acknowledge how things have changed/are changing yet you throw RPers under the bus for bringing it up?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 12:54 AM
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and how you describe the "game"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 12:51 AM
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I guess what I'm mainly referring to as well the sentiment many RP guys have is the loss of attachment, personal responsibility within the context of modern sexual dynamics...we an free market SMP that sounds good on paper but are people really happy? rampant divorce, single moms, dysfunctional homes, kids, relationships, swaths of "incel" men, etc.. A lot of RPers sum this up and conclude "Fuck it then. From here on out I'm going to be the most selfish and ruthless Machiavellian I can be to get…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 11:49 PM
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you don't believe anything's changed for the bad within the last 50-60 years in the Western world?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 11:40 PM
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When shit hits the fan and the food trucks stop rolling, when the power grid gets wiped out, when there's civil war or zombie apocalypse...our world as we know it will completely change overnight and we'll back to surviving in the woods and all those weak yet intelligent men who thrived in our cushy modern world will quickly be eaten alive in the event things suddenly go dog-eat-dog.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 11:10 PM
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Interesting, thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 01:42 AM
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How are MRAs trying to steal anyone's thunder? they're trying to be heard and I mentioned before that MRA's are disorganized and don't do the best job at conveying things .
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 08:05 PM
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The way you outright dismiss MRAs, to me it shows that you have no real interest in debate and possibly learning from others.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 04:58 PM
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27 is not old or 'post wall' to me, but anyway I guess I interpreted your post to be rather dismissive..when there are people like me who witness over the course of our lifetimes these "exaggerations"..I'm just saying I'm not one to dismiss things so lightly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 06:17 AM
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You sound like an old timer who doesn't have a full grasp of how modern DSR works.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 05:13 AM
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You seem to completely miss the entire point what the the discussion of this sub is about, either that or you're just trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 05:10 AM
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o_0 ??
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 05:07 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 12:29 AM
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But there lies the problem though...there are so many frustrated young men seeking guidance and who find themselves being sucked into TRP, why is that? Don't you think something bigger is amiss if the most popular form of self-help, the best thing that these guys are finding, is TRP and it's toxic ways? Why aren't these guys coming to a less misogynistic way of looking at things?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 10:52 PM
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that was a fun read and to answer your final point, I think it's pretty clear to those who've been paying attention exactly why there's an unequal distribution of lube..women are the gatekeepers and many guys just lose out. There's really no other way to go about it when you sum up everything TRP says and look at things objectivity...the men in the basement are there because they're practically invisible to women, they can do what they can to get out but just as you describe they'll only be goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 09:26 PM
2

Some of the most plain/ugly looking women have the most vapid and even toxic personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 09:03 PM
1

In societies where dresses were considered gender-neutral Which societies would these be?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 09:01 PM
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On MRAs, they definitely lack organization, don't have the best people representing it, and often go about their ways in..poorly handled ways..but it doesn't change the fact that they bring up valid issues. With TRP, blue pillers easily discredit TRP off the bat but you can't deny that TRP has produced viable results for many guys. Say what you will about it's anger and hate, it's worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 08:55 PM
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The reason you see the women-bashing from TRP and MRA's is because of the perceived notion that we in a gynocentric society that neglects men and treats them as disposable utilities. What do you think about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 08:50 PM
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sorry but this all just sounds like more BP Kool-Aid...men don't want to be wearing dresses. It sorta of disturbs me that people can seriously consider this shit as social solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 08:48 PM
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To be honest I'm not sure how you're post refutes anjything. TRP would mostly agree with what you're saying. TRP: Hypergamy/Branch swinging Reality: I didn't meet her standards Of course, hence TRP why tells guys to always be on top their game game physically and mentally. TRP: Must. Hold. Frame. Reality: The more she gets to know the real me, the less attractive I become Obviously? TRP: Show the slightest weakness and she's out Reality: Shallow relationships, lacking an emotional and intellectu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 08:39 PM
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A guy from work told me about it, never looked much into it. I just thought it was funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 08:31 PM
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Do you really think MRA's and what they talk about is weak and pathetic? How exactly is discussing male issues being "intimidated by women"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 08:30 PM
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Thanks for being a reasonable human being lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 08:25 PM
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Have you actually looked into further depth on what TRP talks about? have you read the sidebar? A lot of people seem to draw conclusions based on the anger posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 08:23 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 08:21 PM
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Sure there are plenty of resentful losers, but I think it's an unfair generalization, I think there are guys there who don't deserve the butthurt loser label.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 08:21 PM
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I didn't know that about the Angry Video Game Nerd, used to watch his stuff a lot back in the day, I also heard a rumor of him getting a lot of flak because he liked watching his girlfriend bang other guys. I think MRA's have valid issues but they're very disorganized and unfortunately don't have the best people representing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 08:18 PM
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Your second paragraph really gives me pause and makes me wonder if you're just a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 08:06 PM
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You're assuming that 'nice guys' only go after bubbly party girls, that's false, many 'nice guys' in fact go after the plain janes, the homely, the nerds, the awkward, the ones who seemingly aren't the type to be promiscuous ALWATS but in many cases that's exactly what happens. You're also assuming that all 'nice guys' have an easy time getting dates even if they approach the wild party girls..many don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 11:27 PM
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I disagree with the idea that there are no dating gurus, self-help or PUA for women, there are many magazines and online articles aimed at women, giving advice on how to attract and keep a man especially if they want an LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 01:53 AM
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So you inherently despise men..that's good to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 01:50 AM
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The trope is that the crazy cat lady and old spinster turned out that way because they squandered their window of opportunity to lock down a husband in their youth so they brought it upon themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 12:46 AM
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INCEL = Involuntary Celibacy Because I Can't Find A Hot Blonde Girl With Big Tits That Worship My Dick. No. More like INCEL = Invlountray Celibacy Because I Can't Find Any Average Mediocre Girl Who Doesn't Reject Me On First Glance. Any girl, short, tall, skinny, fat..these girls want guys of higher SMV, not guys of equal or below. This is the experience of many incel guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 12:44 AM
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The thing that mystifies me about TBP is how they're so adamantly against TRP's strategy of dealing with things in broad strokes or absolutes, TBP keeps insisting to treat every single encounter as an individual thing; failing to realize that for a lot of guys coming to TRP them treating everything as an individual case is what led them to problems in the first place. Beta Bob's beta behavior caused his girlfriend to dump him, TBP tells him that she was a shitty case and the next one will be bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 12:38 AM
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I like how you're completely avoiding the discussion. And guys do spend time and energy getting pussy go through a lot of rejection and dry spells in the process, women don't experience this and it's annoying hearing them label themselves "incel" because they only get hit on by lesser males and not the hot guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 12:26 AM
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There's a whole BBW market for guys who are chubby chasers and don't mind the extra rolls. So even fat women can easily get partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 12:16 AM
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These things you listed may exist at some level, but the market would be so low, they're not visible to your average person. In other words it's not statistically relevant, thus it shouldn't have too much weight in overall incel discussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 12:13 AM
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Sure. Keep telling yourself that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 12:11 AM
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I agree that there aren't many women who truly could not get sex from any man at all but there are a ton (in more ways than one) of women who are sexually frustrated and bitter about the caliber of men available to them. This is where it's hard for me to sympathize. Do you really think those women have a right to be bitter and angry because none of the men available to them tickle their fancy? Those women are choosing to be bitter and lonely because they don't want to stoop themselves to the 'ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 12:10 AM
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You'd be surprised at how even the seemingly sweet and innocent girls are down to fuck for the right man. A buddy of man is currently plating not one but TWO married women..so yeah they're not the women RP guys would wife up, only the beta chumps are the ones who wife up those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 06:18 PM
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You're pretty much saying that I'm underestimating social constructs..I don't know..I'm hearing what you're saying but I'm just having a hard time believing that socialization carries more weight than pure biology and pure biology shows us that aggressive, dominate males thrive while weak and timid males lose out in the mating game..How exactly are humans exempt from this rule? like I said just because we're smart enough to overcome our baser impulses in some regard doesn't mean our basic geneti…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 10:03 PM
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....Ok....o_0 ? what does going to a dance club have to do with anything? cheating is cheating whether it occurred at a dance club, at Barnes & Nobles, or MickyD's...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 09:50 PM
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What are some other rules you can mention?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 09:40 PM
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Can you please enlighten me on how exactly RedPillers are supposed to be interpreting evo-psych...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 07:10 PM
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Yes, he was a good guy and that's the problem here..good guys like my stepdad are being cheated on and divorced by women on a power trip. Admit it, 50 years ago something like this was very uncommon, enter feminism and sexual "liberation" and now you have a bunch of women thinking they're the center of the universe while shitting on good, decent men because the only thing that matters to these women are their own selfish desires and feelings, fuck their family unit and e everyone else. Honestly,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 07:01 PM
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Yes it does if the conditions are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 06:34 PM
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Well, first of all we should probably make it clear on what beta and doormat mean, while they're not mutually exclusive as they often overlap there are still BB-thinking guys who are not necessarily doormats; doormats are people who have low self-esteem overall, not all BB men have low self-esteem necessarily. Lets take my stepdad for example, he didn't have much trouble getting dates, he sure as hell wasn't a pushover, wasn't afraid to fight (he's an army veteran) yet he still got cheated on an…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 06:21 PM
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I'm not saying humans are controlled but rather that we are susceptible to our biological impulses..the married woman may not consciously want to cheat but her body and the tingles are telling a different story. Then you get those stories of "I didn't plan it! One thing led to another and it just happened..."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 06:05 PM
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Not all guys coming to TRP are socially awkward doormats, many are guys who may have had modest success with women but something happened (usually a bad breakup or divorce) that led them to seek out answers and they find TRP which helps these men put things into perspective and realize that their previous Beta behavior contributed to their failed relationships (or lack thereof).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 06:00 PM
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Misogyny aside, are you saying it's wrong for RedPillers to want to utilize sexual strategy? You're saying frustrated BBs have to continue being frustrated BBs?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 05:51 PM
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First of all I never said I was MRA, there you go beginning to assume shit. Secondly, the issues MRAs bring up are valid and are worthy of discussion, they do have a case but because they're not exactly gung-ho for TeamWomen you immediately assign the "misogynist" or "pathetic" label, what you just did is a prime example of shamming any men who dare bring up valid male issues. Thirdly, bringing up anything that deals with injustice towards men is.not "playing the victim card"..again it's bringin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 01:17 AM
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So basically women and the courts systematically screw men over and men should just shut up and deal with...gotcha. I can see why you're blue pill, you probably also think that male circumcision is A-ok but the female equivalent is an unacceptable travesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 10:38 PM
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a simple search of family-court statistics should give you an idea of how the system views men, I've also witnessed relatives go through it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 06:51 PM
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Men are angry because the law protects vindictive women like this, and men are hardly able to protect themselves. Men shouldn't have to take it laying down.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 04:37 PM
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It shows confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 04:27 PM
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Okay...how am I using the term wrong? Did you not see everything else I said? Forget I used the word 'so'.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 01:50 AM
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So? Even it is about romantic love and devotion primarily it doesn't change the fact that women by and large prefer men who are bold and not afraid to press forward. Those are the kind of men who women want to fall in love with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 12:32 AM
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Why do you have a hard time believing field reports? As someone who's been around natural alpha types most of my life I can tel you I've seen some pretty unbelievable stuff that a sexless incel couldn't begin to comprehend because they don't ever see it, but that doesn't mean that doesn't happen. Blue pillers seem to be in outright denial over this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 12:29 AM
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Why don't you read field reports?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 09:37 PM
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What does it mean then?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 09:25 PM
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A lot of guys have it in their heads that women shit-test men to see if he's bold enough to go further as opposed to complying with her "objections" because women want a bold man with balls who's a goes for what he wants, not a timid man who seeks permission the whole time. Why do you think women say things lime they want a man who will "sweep them off their feet"? The thing is though, there are women who do this, they put up "resistance" to see how far a man will go and if he passes her "confid…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 07:56 PM
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Basically, if you're smart enough to realize the inefficiency in all this human ritual, you basically have to dumb yourself down a bit in order to get desired results. Sucks but it is what it is I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 03:20 PM
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I think they make more money off people dying than people living longer so a cure would undermine that agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 08:27 PM
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I think what he's saying is the way he process numbers in his head, not IQ test. He's good working with big numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 07:57 PM
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