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Do you only hold that standard for rape accusations? Or do you apply it to all criminal charges? If someone accuses someone of mugging them and can't prove it, do you also assume they were lying? If the state fails to convict a murderer should the prosecutor be charged for lying?
/r/MensRights10/10/18 05:09 PM
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Not being turned on is just a symptom, the underlying problem causing that is what needs to be fixed. That much everyone agrees on. The issue is that one side is insisting the only possible cause is that she isn't attracted to her husband, and if there are any other possibilities they are so rare as to be not worth considering. You refuse to budge from that position and no evidence will sway you. There can be no productive discussion, the entyire argument is doomed from the start to endless circ…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 02:40 AM
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It's amazing how once you start thinking of women as people, all of a sudden things like personality and shared interests start influencing how attractive you find them subconsciously.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 03:51 PM
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Hookups, casual sex, hookup culture; all of these, regardless of their subcategories or small differences, are in the latter. Trees, grass, orchards; all of these, regardless of their subcategories or small differences, are in the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 04:15 PM
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Hookup culture is casual sex and casual sex is hookup culture. That's your definition, but not most people's. So when you use it that way people get confused. Don’t get too tangled in the definitions. The difference in definitions causes confusion. If you use a term in a way that most people don't, you need to clarify what you mean or accept most people will misunderstand. If you use the word "tree" to refer to all plants people will argue if you say "grass is a tree". While what you meant to sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 03:49 PM
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Okay, see, that's the problem. You have broadened the definition of "hookup" to include all casual sex. And even non-standard relationship models. "Hookup" usually specifically means sex with someone you just met and had no plans to meet again or get to know. It is a specific sub-type of ONS where personality or even sometimes attraction doesn't matter, and it doesn't include things like FWBs, first date sex, or even a booty-call. "Hookups" are a small fraction of all casual sex. The way you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 03:21 PM
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That's the thing that keeps me from engaging prostitutes (assuming I could verify they're not being trafficed or abused). Sex for me isn't rewarding unless the person I'm with is into it, and if I was paying them I wouldn't be able to believe it even if they actually were into it. I have no problem with it, I support legalization, it just wouldn't be for me. Maybe once, just for the experience. Once it's legal, I don't want to risk jail for something I'm 'meh' about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 01:58 PM
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How do you define "hookup culture"? Is it just random casual sex? Because the overwhelming majority of women I know don't really do that, and most of the ones that do it's usually just a rebound fling or something between serious relationships. Or do you use the definition I've seen from RPs sometimes that having sex on the first date is a "hookup" even if a relationship starts? Or having an ongoing fwb is "hooking up"? Or any number of things that broaden the definition to the point of uselessn…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 01:41 PM
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You're a lawyer and I'm not, so I'm sure you can explain it but as I understand it the police cannot, in fact, just come search your property because they want to. You don't have to allow them into your house at all if they don't have a warrant (or probable cause). Not being able to use what they find as evidence is a consequence of the fact that they're not allowed to do it in the first place. As I understand it that's why the fourth amendment is the basis for Roe v Wade. and Lawrence v Texas. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 09:56 PM
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Under the 4th Amendment - and the principle of bodily autonomy - it would be illegal to collect the DNA for the test unless the person consented, meaning the test can't be mandatory and it becomes a situation where the presumed-father has to request it, or at least agree to it, which is basically where we are today.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 05:03 PM
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That has nothing to do with whether someone is putting forth effort to give (more) pleasure to their partner. Some people approach sex with a mindset that they want to give the most pleasure they can to their partner, and some people don't care and don't try. The people who don't care and don't try are being describes as assholes. Even an attractive person can give more pleasure if they try than if they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 07:14 PM
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Oh wait...nope, I'm bored now. Guess I'm more of the Rayovac Chinchilla.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 05:40 PM
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You're like the Energizer Bunny of pointless replies and cookies! I do so like cookies. You've come up against the Duracell Jackalope though ;D
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 05:33 PM
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Oh! And he's still responding, and with less actual content every time! Bruh, you're not being very stoic, which I'm guessing is a pretty big part of your view of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 05:32 PM
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Oh yeah, show off that manly stoicism and intelligence. You're so much more rational than women, only focusing on the content of posts rather than how they make you feel or how they're written. Because only women care about how you say something, right? Ah, the medium is the message for women. What I said doesnt matter, what matters is how you felt it was put. ...and yet... You spend so much time to try to 360 no scope rekk me with your reddit formatting skills so you have made your comment unre…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 05:22 PM
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For future reference, you can conveniently sum up everything you just said as "I know you are, but what am I?". It's much faster to type.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 05:17 PM
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Ah, the medium is the message for women. "The medium is the message" -Marshall McLuhan What I said doesnt matter, what matters is how you felt it was put. No, what you said doesn't matter because without context or clarification I have no basis to understand it. If you had communicated a coherent argument I would have addressed it, but you didn't so I addressed the pretentious phrasing. I assumed you were a woman because you write/act like one Prior to that point I responded to you a total of si…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 05:13 PM
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Oh wow, you're still trying to chalk this up as "win", huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 05:03 PM
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It's because you phrased it as "matter to my mission", such a pretentious way of putting it. If there was any substance to your comment I would have addressed that instead but there wasn't. Just vague platitudes and insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 04:59 PM
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Write like a normal person or stop responding, your choice bb Funny because I already did in the comment you're responding to. Of course, telling me to stop responding just makes me want to respond with even more fucked up formatting, over and over, but I don't care enough to bother. The effort isn't worth the lulz. You're getting boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 04:56 PM
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English is my third language but I learned the word hyperbolic in 7th grade from an American teacher. She was hawt. Okay, so then you should have clearly understood that I wasn't taking your "once in a million years" comment literally, but for some reason you didn't. I just assumed it was because you didn't understand. You spend so much time to try to 360 no scope rekk me with your reddit formatting skills You're so vain, lol. I did it once to make a point. All the other times were because I fou…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 04:48 PM
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atleast do it some what elegantly For people who live, breath and shit mediocrity Oh! Oh! I have been wound'd through mine heart! Thou has ripped at my very being with thine stinging verbal barbs! Verily thy wit hath upended my argument and left me shaking and beaten in this rhetorical battle. Indeed, I am so brok'n by thine words, I do not even perceive thou hast not made any actual argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 04:38 PM
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legbeard Clearly you are confused. I don't blame you it happens a lot because of my user name. I'm a dude, and I have a full, luxurious nice leg beard that I am quite proud of. even accounting for the fact that it's clearly hyperbolic Happens once in a million years is normie language for very rare. Yes, I acknowledged said you didn't mean it literally. Maybe "hyperbolic" was too big a word for you? It means "I know you were not being literal, and were exaggerating saying it was bigger for effec…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 04:28 PM
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my frat bro friend circles. Well, that explains a lot. matter to my mission Lol, I'm having a real hard time taking anything you say seriously now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 04:13 PM
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Yeah, fair point. It wasn't a serious argument (because I wasn't responding to anything like a serious argument) but I still shouldn't have put words in your mouth. To clarify the point I was (barely) trying to make: Your absurd assertion, made without any evidence, is wrong and dumb. This is not a personal attack, I'm not saying you're dumb, I don't know you. I'm calling your statement, even accounting for the fact that it's clearly hyperbolic, dumb and wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 03:58 PM
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Just keep telling yourself that your romantic failings aren't really your fault and there's nothing you can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 03:47 PM
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Hmm, I haven't experienced that, but maybe it's because my friends aren't douchebags.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 03:45 PM
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No, you just have to be super below the SMV of the women I'm normally seen with, not necessarily ugly Oh noes! Heavens forbid your friends see you doing something (someone) different from usual! They will never respect you if you're different!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 03:06 PM
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It's what they think they're doing, but failing at. This is how genuine nice guys (not Nice GuysTM) do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 03:02 PM
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I'm a dude, so I'm putting this under the automod, but every woman I've ever been with becomes more attractive when I like their personality, humor, or other non-physical qualities. Literally, my preferences shift to more closely match what they already look like, the same physical features start being more attractive on other women. I think most men probably do this, but I relentlessly self-analyze, and I'm also a poly man-slut so I have a lot more data points than most (women who are friends a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 02:58 PM
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The crowd creates the culture, and then the culture creates the crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 06:38 PM
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Different bars in the same city can have totally different cultures and etiquette, much less different states or countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 01:24 AM
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It's one link in a whole chain of rituals, and there are many after it before reaching the mashing-genitals-together step.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 01:17 AM
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They might be "rightly demonized" now, in most of the country, most of the time, but that is a fairly new phenomenon, and it is specifically because of the "awareness campaigns" that have been mocked and derided by reds and mras for years. It has been a uphill battle, and frankly all the progress could still be lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 01:14 AM
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How many times are we going to get OPs based on the same misunderstanding of logic. All A's are B's, but most B's are not A's. Saying all A's are X does not mean that all B's are X.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 01:31 PM
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So would you befriend a “platonic” woman that isn’t willing to be your wingman? Yes, I have lots of friends who are women who I have never and probably will never sleep with. I'm friends with them for the same reason I'm friends with anyone, because they're fun to spend time with, because we connect on a mental level, we talk, we get along. You know, friend stuff. The whole "wingman" thing was just a funny aside. True, but unrelated to the real conversation. (But still wants your masculine energ…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:29 PM
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It's the typical motte&bailey-gaslighting bullshit from bluepillers So to start, you have no idea what gaslighting means. when cornered, the Nice GuyTM is exclusively painted as being the worst of the worst and hardly exists in real life, but when you're complaining about them, then suddenly the basic requirement to qualify as one is "gets rejected and refuses to stay in the friendzone". Are you talking about every day conversation, discussions in PPD, or r/NiceGuys? I can't speak to random conv…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:05 PM
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The scientists point out in their study that gender roles were not always the same in early-human cultures, and there's nothing that predisposes either sex toward certain kinds of work. "That women sometimes become successful hunters and men become gatherers means that the universal tendency to divide subsistence labor be gender is not solely the result of innate physical or psychological differences between the sexes; much of it has to be learned," the authors write.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 04:51 PM
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I know quite a number of men, including quite a number of romantically unsuccessful men, and literally none of them have displayed the behavior all those droves of NiceGuysTM presumably show all the fucking time. Then they're not Nice GuysTM and we're not talking about them. It's pretty simple. The utter worst was a guy who had crushed hard on a girl and repeatedly tried to change her mind about dating him and then (after several years of that shitshow) exploded into her face and started harrass…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 04:49 PM
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If we're going to hypothetically change men's brains anyway, how about increasing self control and empathy instead of decreasing sex drive? That seems more beneficial in general. An unsympathetic guy with low libido could still be a rapist too, according to most of the studies I've read a lot of rape is not driven by desire for sex, it's an act of terror, power, or abuse. Another driver is lack of understanding of consent, guys who literally do not understand that what they're doing is rape. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 04:38 PM
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No, I mean instead of calling your friends "nice guys" just call them "good people". Or any one of dozens of other synonyms that aren't the one specific pair of words that has become associated with this idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 04:27 PM
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Anthropology, not evolutionary genetics. We're discussing work and gender roles, not mating strategies. In primitive societies the strongest and most skilled of the community hunt, and everyone else, men, women, and children gather and farm and craft. a given hunting party typically was a fairly small percentage of the group, not all of the men at the same time. That's an inefficient use of resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 04:25 PM
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That’s not platonic buddy. Sure it is. We're not fucking. If we do, then it stops being platonic. Unless you have a different definition of "platonic"? So you’re on their hook. They have power over you. Get it out of your mind that you’ll fuck them and take back your independence. I think you're projecting. Just because you give someone power over you when you want to fuck them doesn't mean I do. If they say "fuck me" and I don't feel like it, I say no. If we do fuck, it's because we both want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 04:20 PM
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No, you're conflating cause with effect. There is a difference in average annual compensation between two demographic groups, that's a wage gap regardless of the reason for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 04:08 PM
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No lol all cultures gender segregated occupations going back to hunter and gatherers. You need to crack an anthropology text book. Hunter gatherer societies were subsistence, that didn't have the luxury of strict gender roles. That is a much more recent invention.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 02:02 PM
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If you became friends because you wanted to date or fuck them, that's no different from becoming friends because they throw the best parties. It's disingenuous. If you became friends and feelings developed later, that's a different story. That friendship has value beyond the possible relationship. The problem that arises is if you get rejected and break of the friendship it looks like the former, even if it's the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 01:57 PM
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Fuck off, you don't speak for me. I am a man slut with broad standards and I have platonic friendships with dozens of women I would fuck in a heartbeat. They all know that if they felt like it the could call me and I'd plow them like a field, but it's their call. Several I have slept with when they were between relationships, but they want a boyfriend and they know I'm not so that's all it is. Barring that phone call (or let's be real, text message) they are just like any other friend. I and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 01:53 PM
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If you turn around and scream at the gas station attendant who sold you the ticket and call them a bitch, you would have a chance of being posted about on one of the stupid customer subs and mocked for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 01:38 PM
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Good people?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 01:32 PM
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We get it. You're a nice...guy... ... ...oh... ... ...you're not just pretending to be nice because you want to sleep with all 16,756 of us, are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 10:28 PM
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Isn't the male desire for sex generally something that's responsible for more evil than good, all things considered? I'd say no. Uncontrolled male desire is a problem, but the overwhelming majority of men are able to control themselves just fine thankyouverymuch. Please note, this is not #notallmen-ing, I'm not saying there isn't a problem or that raising awareness or being careful is wrong. There are enough of us that suck that women are justified being fearful/angry/whatever. I'm just saying t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 10:25 PM
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so feminists do call guys like that as creeps, wrong is it not? ...Master Yoda?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 10:15 PM
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Why the hell do you think anyone cares what Jordan Peterson says about anything. He has a core group of dedicated followers who think every word is gospel, some rabid opponents who hate him, and basically everyone else in the world just doesn't give a shit about him or anything he says, if they've even heard of him to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 10:13 PM
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Good gods that OP is a shitshow. And the poster apparently has a history with AskFeminists. As far as the comments, it looks like a lot of variety, but no one that I can see is saying that gracefully moving on is a problem. There are a lot of comments theorizing as to what else could have happened, but that is because the people commenting can't imagine the girl having a problem with him gracefully moving on, because they don't have a problem with it. The real issue is that people have forgotten…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 10:04 PM
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So are all humans creepy now? Yes. All humans have the capacity to be creeps, and almost everyone is occasionally. It's an accepted part of human nature. The same way almost all humans (who drive) speed occasionally, or take an extra donut from the office break room when no one is watching, even though we have all agreed as a society those are not acceptable behaviors. People are imperfect and we accept that about each other, but if someone does it too often and/or gets caught, they still face c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 09:53 PM
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Still laughing, starting to get confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:52 PM
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an epic spasmatic seizure Uh huh. That's...an interesting interpretation of me laughing at you. I genuinely don't care whether you read the article or not. I didn't read it at all until I saw your comment. I just thought your comment that you stopped reading because it mentioned that a pay gap exists was hilariously ironic. When I noticed your user name, it just made it that much funnier. Also, you need to work on understanding what is and is not projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:33 PM
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No reasonable person denies there is a wage gap. There is debate over the reason or the size, The wage gap is the result of women's choices to work fewer hours in less well-compensated fields. You don't deny that it exists. You have an opinion as to why it exists. That is exactly what I said. The article doesn't address why it exists at all, it just states that it does and that it is a smaller gap in construction. That apparently triggered NietzscheanStoic so bad he had to stop reading, which is…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:08 PM
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You saw a statistic that triggered you and couldn't keep reading. You have no idea if there is an agenda in the article or what it might be because you didn't read it. If you had kept going even one more sentence you would have seen it also says the gap is much smaller in construction, and then it is never mentioned again. Ooh, there must be an agenda hiding in there, so better just ignore the report and hide your eyes from the big scary statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 05:58 PM
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No reasonable person denies there is a wage gap. There is debate over the reason or the size, but it is simply a fact that there is one. Refusing to see that is self delusion at best, just fucking willful stupidity at worst. If you have something debunking the existence of a wage gap entirely, in every industry (or even just specifically in this industry) I'm willing to read it (even if I disagree with it) and consider what it says. That aside, it is still stupid and ignorant to refuse to read a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 03:10 PM
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If you stop reading things when you encounter a fact that makes you uncomfortable, that explains a lot about your world view.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 02:52 PM
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Ah, right. If it isn't made from concrete and steel, it doesn't count. I forgot that rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 01:42 PM
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... ... ... I'd love to. Do you have a link?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 09:22 PM
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You didn't link to his full comment, I only can see what you quoted and said about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 09:18 PM
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You do not logic. That bloop also did not say "neurotypical women do not engage in abusive relationships". The RP theory in question states that women love men who they know are abusive, because they're abusive. Therefore the bloop was saying that women who enter into relationships with men they know are abusive are outliers. At no point did they claim or imply they are not neurotypical. Once again you have taken a comment that is talking about a small subset of abusive relationships (relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 08:38 PM
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Yes, if you has said that I wouldn't have argued. It clears nothing up though because your OP still has the original lie, and this "correction" is several dozen posts down a rabbit hole and no one else will ever see it. The opening sentence of your OP is explicitly a lie. You have admitted it isn't true and you know it. Why is it still there?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 06:47 PM
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Bomgar-Tracey-Dellario-Locked-Excel-file.png I wasn't confused, you made an explicitly false statement. You were then confused as to why I was calling it a false statement. I was only confused as to why you couldn't tell it was a false statement. If I defined abusive relationships as RP relationships, then the thread would devolve into a battle if that assumption is correct. You could have just not claimed Bloops say it (because they don't). No lie, no confusion, no arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 06:43 PM
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You could have just chosen not to lie about bloops saying it, and still made the same point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 06:32 PM
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That doesn't change the fact that your claim is simply not true. You could have chosen not to lie and claim blues say that, and it wouldn't have changed your OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 06:31 PM
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By leaving it open ended, you made it a lie. You claimed BPs say something they don't. If you wanted to leave it open ended, maybe don't claim BPers say it when they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 05:47 PM
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All A are B, not all B are A Do you even logic, bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 05:45 PM
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TBP consistently considers RP advice synonymous with abuse tactics. I haven't disagreed with this at any time. It is not the claim you made in your OP though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 05:26 PM
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That is not what you claimed in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 05:25 PM
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Which is fair. I wanted the OP to be open-ended discussion up to everyone's interpretation of an abusive relationship. The way you phrased it in your OP was a lie. You claimed BPs say something we don't. You can't even find a single example of a BP saying it. The fact that you meant something different doesn't change what you said. Okay, so do you believe that bloops often claim that only "damaged/insecure/immoderate/atypical " type of women enter into RP relationships? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 05:24 PM
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You asked me to link you a comment where a bloop said "TRP only works on X type of women." No I didn't. I asked for an example of your claim in the OP, a bloop saying "Only damaged/insecure/immoderate/atypical women engage in abusive relationships." You have yet to provide a single example. TRP relationships are included in abusive relationships to bloops. They aren't exclusively part of the category of an abusive relationship, but that is irrelevant. It is relevant because you claimed blues say…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 05:22 PM
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Correct. Which is the whole point of my OP. It was worded in way where an abusive relationship was up to be self-defined so everyone could answer. You didn't specify only TRP abusive relationships, if you had I wouldn't have argued. It was worded in a way that made it look like you were claiming that BPers regularly say something that is false and unreasonable and Bloops don't say: You see this meme from bloops quite often: "Only damaged/insecure/immoderate/atypical women engage in abusive relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 05:17 PM
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Right... So they are implying self-assured and intelligent women don't enter abusive relationships. No, they are only implying they don't enter abusive relationships with TRPers. They said nothing about entering abusive relationships with non-TRPers, which happens all the time even to neurotypical, mentally healthy women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 05:07 PM
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It doesn't matter if the bloop believes TRP relationships are abusive, unless they believe that RP relationships are the only abusive relationships. Your logic is deeply flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 05:05 PM
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All A's are B's, but only some B's are A's Saying only X's get into A's does not mean only X's get into B's But TBP consistently considers RP relationships abusive. I literally explained why this doesn't prove your point using formal logic and you completely ignored everything that I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 05:03 PM
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You have that backwards. Abusive RP relationships (even if they are all abusive) are a tiny subset of all abusive relationships. Even if mentally healthy women don't fall for RP tactics they can end up in other forms of abusive relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 05:01 PM
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RP relationships are a tiny subset of all abusive relationships. Even if every women who gets into an RP relationship is damaged that doesn't mean only damaged women get into abusive relationships. All A's are B's, but only some B's are A's Saying only X's get into A's does not mean only X's get into B's Does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:58 PM
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"TRP only attracts insecure women" is completely different from "Only insecure women get into abusive relationships". "most women who sleep around like that seem to have issues." is completely different from "Only insecure women get into abusive relationships". It's like I'm arguing with a three year old. You: Blues say "A" Me: No they don't, prove it. You: (provides examples of blues saying "B", "C", and "D") See! Blues say "A"! Me: None of those are "A" You: I'm getting tired of searching for …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:53 PM
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"TRP only attracts insecure women" is completely different from "Only insecure women get into abusive relationships". Not all relationships with TRPs are abusive, and only a tiny fraction of abusive relationships are with TRPs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:51 PM
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That comment is about what women TRP tactics work on, not what women get into abusive relationships in general. So are you saying all TRP relationships are abusive and all abusive relationships are TRP? I don't believe that, but it only supports your assertion if you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:50 PM
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I read every comment, clearly you didn't. I can see how if you twist and turn and ignore the context you could make-believe that comment to sort-of mean what you are saying, but in context it's clear that it is not implying that at all. That comment is saying that a "self-assured and intelligent" woman wouldn't enter into a relationship with the TRPer that the original post is about, because it is obvious on its face that it will be an emotionally abusive relationship. They are mocking the linke…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:47 PM
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And since you just searched for one keyword and didn't actually read the post you were linking you apparently weren't aware that it has nothing to do with your OP. I read all the comments, nowhere does anyone assert that only damaged women get into abusive relationships. Is that really the best you can do?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:32 PM
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And since you just searched for one keyword and didn't actually read the post you were linking you apparently weren't aware that it has nothing to do with your OP. I read all the comments, nowhere does anyone assert that only damaged women get into abusive relationships. Is that really the best you can do?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:32 PM
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And since you just searched for one keyword and didn't actually read the post you were linking you apparently weren't aware that it has nothing to do with your OP. I read all the comments, nowhere does anyone assert that only damaged women get into abusive relationships. Is that really the best you can do?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:32 PM
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If you see it all the time it shouldn't be hard for you to find one or two examples that already exist, should it? In fact, it would seem to make sense that I would have seen it and given how much time I spend on PPD and...I haven't. You've already promised to link a thread on the TBP sub that you claim was your inspiration for your OP. How about you start with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:27 PM
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Well, right now you have provided zero (the one you linked there has nothing to do with abusive relationships at all, so I don't know what it was supposed to prove). How about we start with one (that is an actual example), and see if it's convincing. The thread on the TBP sub that you have already promised to share would be a good start.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:25 PM
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Do you not know what a meme is? A meme is a unit of information that spreads between people like a virus. It also has several different colloquial meanings that have developed. I don't know which definition you are using because it isn't clear from context. That doesn't answer my question at all though, so I ask again: Make up your mind. Are you claiming it's common, or just that it has been said at some point? Common enough for TBP to make a whole post telling their own users to stop saying it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:22 PM
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Okay, if the assertion is "at least one blue, at some point in the past, said something similar to this" then no, I can't really argue with that. The way it was phrased in the OP however is: You see this meme from bloops quite often: And that is what I take issue with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:15 PM
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Make up your mind. Are you claiming it's common, or just that it has been said at some point? You called me disingenuous to claim "no bloop" makes that assertion, implying that your point is only about the occasional blue who doesn't necessarily represent blues in general, but now you're saying it is "often touted". And in your OP you said "You see this meme from bloops quite often". How common do you assert this opinion is?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:15 PM
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I'll have to wait to actually see the link before I can respond to this because I haven't seen it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:11 PM
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Okay, so you're no so much saying "bloops say this" as saying "at least one bloop, at some point, has said something like this". Did I get that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:10 PM
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And yet you haven't got any examples of any bloops promoting this meme, including the one you posted above that is also not, as I pointed out, promoting this meme. The idea that bloops promote or believe this is a Red meme, not reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:09 PM
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According to previous threads, a patriarchal setup (male head-of-household), is inherently abusive or at least un-feminist. Just like cake is poisonous or at least high in sugar. The idea that a patriarchial household is de facto abusive is a very minority view that was popular in the radical parts of the Second Wave, but has fallen out of favor today. If you polled 100 random feminists you probably wouldn't find a dozen who agree with that statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:05 PM
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It's hard to nail them down to "most bloops believe X" And yet that is the basis of your OP. If you knowingly enter into an abusive relationship, then you are de facto, not normal. That's very different from what you are claiming Blues believe. Most people who enter into abusive relationships don't know it's going to be an abusive relationship. Someone who enters into a relationship knowing it is going to be abusive is demonstrating an abnormal lack of self-preservation instinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 03:57 PM
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I think that is obviously wrong. I agree. It is obviously wrong that bloops claim that. EDIT: After extensive arguing, u/Mr_Smoogs agrees that bloops do not, in fact, say "only damaged/insecure/immoderate/atypical women engage in abusive relationships". He was unable to find a single example and admitted that he knew all along that blues don't say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 03:54 PM
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They might not have had low self-esteem when they entered the relationship, but that is the first thing an abuser seeks to break down.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 03:52 PM
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You see this meme from bloops quite often: "Only damaged/insecure/immoderate/atypical women engage in abusive relationships. You're going to have to post some examples, because I don't see that opinion coming from Blues at all. Anyone can get trapped in an abusive relationship, even if they're perfectly mentally healthy and neurotypical. An abusive relationship can create mental issues that weren't there before though, and having mental issues can make you more of a target for abusers, so it's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 03:50 PM
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Just because you don't want to admit it makes this much difference doesn't make it a mental illness, lol. Seriously, trp even gets this, they just don't understand how much more important it is than even muscles.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 02:13 PM
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It's better than the alternative, I agree. I really enjoy my job working in IT support because I really enjoy helping people with their computers. It has become a lot less fun because of having to do it as a job though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 04:24 PM
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Yeah, It's certainly better than doing something you really don't enjoy at all, but it's not the same as having the freedom to just follow your passion or do your hobby without worrying about whether it is productive or can support you financially. Are you going to answer the OP? I don't really have the time or energy for a full top-level reply. I have been reading the comments and upvoting ones that I think are productive conversation and commenting on pieces of posts, like I usually do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 04:15 PM
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I know a lot of guys who like to program, and would love to do it as a hobby, but that's different from working for Microsoft writing code for the next version of Excel. The programming they want to do for fun they can't make money doing, and the programming they get paid for isn't fun, and it burns them out until they don't have fun doing hobby coding either. (There are rare exceptions, that's why I said "most", but very few people would do industrial-scale coding if they weren't getting paid f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 04:02 PM
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She'd much rather be home pursuing her hobby despite likely making nothing doing it. I think most people would prefer this if they had the option. Most people work because they have to, not because the work they are doing is their passion. The few people that have that are mostly talented and lucky artists and craftspeople of one type or another EDIT: or day-traders/stock traders.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 03:46 PM
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I genuinely believe some people are born monogamous, and some are born poly, just like being gay. Is possible to fake it for a while, but someone in one kind of relationship will never be really happy if they're wired for the other kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 01:50 PM
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What? Our personalities are constantly in a state of flux as it is. We change throughout our lives, maybe not the deep core, but all the peripherals. And social skills are all learned, for everyone. They can always be learned. I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/18 12:47 AM
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Damn... that's... something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/18 08:28 PM
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I bought into D.A.R.E. 100% for a lot longer than I probably should have.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/18 08:22 PM
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That's why they insist looks are the only thing that matters and women only want the top 20%, they don't want to admit that their personalities or social skills might be the reason they're unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/18 08:21 PM
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What's the best way to enjoy the party socialization scene without becoming depressed or having to resort to numbing yourself out everytime to tolerate an hour at a gathering? Party with people you actually like? If you're having to numb yourself to tolerate it, you're clearly doing something you don't enjoy, and you probably won't get along with anyone you meet there. Find something social you can actually enjoy doing, or that involves an activity. Join the Mountaineers and go hiking or camping…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/18 08:18 PM
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the article would find such a warm and welcoming audience on PPD That is not what I'm seeing in the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/18 04:33 PM
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Being pickier about partners means exactly having a lower libido What? No it doesn't. libido is the willingness to have sex No it's the desire to have sex. In rational human beings that desire is weighed against other factors just like any other desire. men have more of it because, among other things, they are less picky about partners. First, I think you misunderstand causality. Second, men don't have to be as picky because we don't have as many risks or threats from making the wrong decision. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/18 03:33 PM
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Arousal is an immediate psycho-physical response, the sexual equivalent to a fight-or-flight reaction. It is not logical or meaningful, it can be triggered by anything sexual, visual cues being the most powerful, but also smells, tastes, words, or even thoughts, anything that dings the trigger in our brain that says "sex-related?". It doesn't mean we actually want to fuck whatever it is that triggered it, and it gets a lot of false positives (see tomato example above). It is shallow and fleeting…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 10:38 PM
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That article doesn't say anything I disagree with. It says that the most reliable way to get a sexual response from men is visual stimuli. It is an immediate psycho-physical reaction, but it is arousal, not necessarily attraction. A man can get aroused at the sight of a particularly plump, ripe tomato, that doesn't mean he wants to fuck that tomato it means his body is responding to a stimulus. You're confusing an arousal response with actual sexual attraction. They're two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 10:06 PM
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I know it's totally a meme that women have a lower sex drive than men, but that hasn't been my experience. Maybe the women I know are all just outliers, or maybe there are just a lot of ace women out there skewing the statistics, but it seems like this idea that womens' sex drives are drastically lower than mens' is just crazy to me. They're pickier about partners, they might have more self control, but they still want sex, in many cases more than men do. I have an above-average libido for a guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 09:50 PM
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I didn't "expect" anything. It doesn't matter that it is a thought experiment. You made assertions of fact as the basis for the thought experiment, including the assertion of relative sex drive. You didn't have to declare a specific fraction, you didn't have to declare that the fraction is "women's comparative levels", but you did, and I asked about it (under the automod) because it is a silly assertion. Your explanation for why you chose that fraction is also ridiculous. I notice you've stopped…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 09:36 PM
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Okay, so use it as a proxy rhetorically, but you know it's just a proxy and not directly related so it's completely pointless to try and use it to draw conclusions about other things. Even if you ignore that, if the results you get are patently ridiculous (for example, saying women have 1/20 the aggression and sex drive of men) that should indicate to you that you need to re-evaluate how you are reaching those conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 08:37 PM
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You...you do realize that there are things other than testosterone that influence sex drive and aggression, right? It's also not a linear correlation, having 1/20 the amount of testosterone doesn't mean 1/20 the amount of sex drive. Humans are more complicated than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 06:58 PM
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All right. I'll add youth, voice pitch, and smell. How gracious of you. I could probably find sources for that. I think you should, you're making a very bold claim that men are extremely simple, shallow creatures. If you're going to insult a whole gender like that you should probably make sure your opinion is supported by reality. Could you point me to sources indicating the other things men supposedly find sexually attractive? I'm a man, and I find lots of things sexually attractive. Personalit…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 04:26 PM
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I have no idea where OP got the figure that the average woman's sex drive is 1/20 of a man's.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 03:59 PM
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I'm a man myself. So self-hate or delusion? Or are you actually that shallow and you're projecting it onto the rest of us? The science doesn't say that the only thing that matters to men as far as sexual attraction is looks. It says we are more visually driven than women, but that is a long way from the caricature you're asserting we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 03:17 PM
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if she was really tall (like 5'10" or higher) I think she would have mentioned that. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 03:07 PM
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Male sexual attraction is primarily physical, so the only explanation for him losing attraction to her is her looks. Jeebus, how much do you have to hate men to think we are all so pathetically two dimensional?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 03:01 PM
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Exactly. It's not something women do, the underlying impulse is shared by almost all humans. Women just have a trigger for that impulse on a scale that men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 02:43 PM
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I guess, sure, in the sense that is an inherent thing all humans do. It just happens that women have collectively experienced oppression on a breadth that men haven't. There is no one specific form or source of oppression that all men face. Groups of men band together against oppression, entire armies or nations band together for a cause for a time but there is nothing to bond all men together, all the time. There is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 07:32 PM
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Depending on how you define "feminist" I can say that somewhere between half and most of all feminists that I read on the internet, see on TV, hear on the radio, and talk to in person are of the rational, non-man-hating type. On the other hand, every MRA I've ever talked to, read, or heard speak has been somewhere on the scale from thoughtful-anti-feminist to angry-woman-hating, with most of them on the loud, angry end of the spectrum. The exceptions all seem to distance themselves from the "MRA…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 11:26 PM
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We don't often agree with one another or even like one another, but there's an inherent sense of "sisterhood" or "us against the world" most women tend to feel for other women when the going gets scrappy. This is a common occurrence in any group that has been systemically oppressed. It's why drill sergeants abuse new recruits in the military, it causes them to band together in spite of any differences. Many groups of men have been oppressed throughout history, but "men" as a demographic whole ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 11:18 PM
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Feminists demean men all the time (all men are pigs, men should die...) and yet their movement doesn't lose ground. This is actually a fairly small subset of feminists, a "vocal minority" if you will. Most people understand this because they've met and talked to, or seen on TV, reasonable friendly feminists who don't say things like this and even speak out against it. On the other hand the only MRAs most people have ever spoken to or seen are the hateful angry ones who don't do anything except b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 11:11 PM
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people on this sub would prefer you jerk off or visit prostitutes than have casual sex ...who is saying that? There are like, two or three people around here that are seriously casual-sex-negative and most of the time even they only are against it for themselves and don't care what anyone else does. There's really only one person I can think of around here that actively opposes anyone having casual sex, and they're also against masturbation and prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 09:13 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/aZB1c19.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 09:09 PM
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Oh. So if the only view that is up for change is whether knowing how to get casual sex is important (assuming the guy wants casual sex to begin with)? Never mind, I totally agree with you on that. If you want casual sex, it is important to understand how to get casual sex. Mods: Since it turns out I agree with OP, I'll delete my post if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 09:07 PM
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or he could learn how to get casual sex and have a few friends with benefits. people on the sub love pushing this why not settle for good enough narrative. "Hooked on fuckbuddies worked for me!" -Commercial from the 80's (I might be misremembering the exact wording)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 09:03 PM
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Top 20% is where the average men start Someone slept through Statistics 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 09:00 PM
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I know, right? every time I start getting down on myself I read PPD and dozens of people are insisting that I must be just an amazing human being, a borderline god, to have the casual sex that I have. I mean, getting laid is awesome and all, but it takes TRPs and incels to make it that kind of confidence-booster.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 08:58 PM
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This seems distinctly at odds with your OP where you claim that most men can't get casual sex: So first thing ....the only men who can get casual sex are really attractive and really charismatic. These men can find relationships easily as well. Now lets talk about all the other men who can't get causal sex. Well they can only get sex in the confines of a relationship. I don't really understand what part of your V we are all supposed to try and C. I don't even really undersatnd what your V is sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 08:57 PM
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I'm not clear on what view I am supposed to try and change. Your title and thesis assert that "Learning how to get casual sex easily is a worthwhile investment that more men should take on" which I agree with, but then the other 90% of your post is incel-whining about how most men can't do that. So which part is the actual CMV?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 08:54 PM
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I like it, I might have to adopt this line myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 04:59 PM
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Tens of thousands of "anecdotes" in TRP all say the same things? And I suppose you've gone through and actually compiled that data in a statistically useful way, and controlled for other possible variables, right? Again - you've admitted you don't know anything about this topic. I haven't "admitted" that at all, as much as you might want me to. I am not a statistician, but I have a better-than-lay-person knowledge of statistics and research and how they work. If your reading comprehension is thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 04:23 PM
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I know bias when I see it. That's why I don't claim my own anecdotes prove anything. Or are you claiming TRP isn't biased?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 04:10 PM
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I said they're evidence. I said they're trends and patterns. Pretty good evidence, really. And this is the part I'm disagreeing with, albeit using hyperbole. Pretty consistent across all conceivable demographics, from race to age to nationality to SES. And yet all from Red Pillers who read and post in TRP. Evidence is really all we have, and TRP has accumulated mountains of it. Mountains of shit are still shit. If you have something better, please share it. I've never done serious research on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 04:06 PM
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Men from all over the country, from all sorts of demographics and all stations and walks of life, report mostly the same things. To each other. In an echo chamber of similar stories, where certain ideas are constantly repeated and reinforced, and lo and behold those ideas keep coming up in stories. I'm not claiming they're all lies, but it's stupid to just assume they're all god's honest truth because they agree with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 03:45 PM
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In most TRP relationship failures, we know how the guy contributed. the stories are pretty much the same and trends and patterns can be seen. You only know the guy's perspective, through his lens and with his biases. That's hardly reliable anec-data.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 03:16 PM
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If 49 men die the tribe still dies, just more slowly, over a couple of generations. And that's assuming enough of the remaining women actually want to reproduce with him to last that long.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 01:44 PM
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Your entire comment was two sentences specifically about white men and privilege, in response to a comment that was about white men losing their privileges, and relating that to the racist alt-right. I can see the context that would indicate your comment was gender related, but there were stronger context cues that it was racial. In addition your specific argument about only the top 10% actually being privileged is made very frequently in discussions of racial privilege. I've never seen it phras…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 11:15 PM
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I was talking about gender privilege not race privilege Your exact words were "White men were never privileged, save the top ~10% of them.". How was I supposed to interpret that as talking about anything but racial privilege? you were talking about race privilege and passing it off as gender privilege. And I was talking exclusively about racial privilege, nothing that I said had anything to do with gender privilege. Do you even read?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 11:01 PM
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Yes, I wasn't talking about men or women, white women have white privilege just as much as white men do. Gender privilege and race privilege both exist. Some people benefit from both. Race is what was being discussed though, so it's what I talked about. How is this so hard to understand? You were talking about race, and now you seem to be confused as to why I was talking about race in my response?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 10:50 PM
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The point was that the "of course" was clearly dishonest I don't know where you're getting that from in the story. Are you sure you're not just projecting your existing beliefs about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 10:47 PM
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Nothing. I was replying to your comment: "White men were never privileged, save the top ~10% of them."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 08:49 PM
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Bullshit. Just a couple of examples off the top of my head: If a poor white guy and a poor black guy get arrested for the same crime, the black guy will get a longer sentence on average, with everything else being equal. A black guy who is polite and follows all the officer's instructions is more likely to get shot than a white guy who mouths off and is a dick. A black guy in a suit is more likely to get followed by store security than a group of white teens in hoodies. If you don't believe thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 08:30 PM
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Okay, that's not how anyone I know uses it, nor is it a useful definition, but I guess if that's the way you want to use it there's no point in arguing. I don't know what you mean by calling it a "myth" though. It's just a difference in definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 06:34 PM
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Okay, so she had to think about it, but her eventual conclusion was equality, not hypocrisy. What the issue? Is it just that she hadn't considered the reverse before that you are commenting on?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 06:04 PM
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Why do you have a different understanding of language than everyone else? The projection physically hurts me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 05:57 PM
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This is not one of those times.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 05:55 PM
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I just have to point out, "league" is descriptive, not prescriptive. If she is sleeping with certain guys, she's in their league by definition. Her league is defined by the people she can sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:44 PM
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That side bar promotes extreme and misogynistic views. The endorsed contributors promote extreme and misogynistic views. If a handful of commenters have reasonable and accepting opinions it doesn't change the core of the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 01:54 PM
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Yeah, doing basic chores is somewhere barely above being able to dress and feed yourself. If by some chance you didn't learn as a kid, it isn't that hard to learn as an adult, so lacking these skills is just a huge red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 09:24 PM
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I wish I could keep my condo as clean as she kept the house growing up. I don't know how she did it, even with our help. It's like I was actually more efficient when she told me to clean as a kid than I ever am today as an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 05:19 PM
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(I can't believe I'm on Smoogs' side on anything but...) Maybe not 5, but by 10 I was scrubbing the tub and toilet with Comet. Growing up cleaning was a full-family thing. Mom directed it because she had the highest standards, but we all helped and between the four of us we could get the house sparkling in a couple hours a week. Those skills carry over into adulthood, but they are formed in childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 03:02 PM
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Knowing how to do chores is such a baseline life skill that failing at it makes anyone seem incompetent and immature. That's not sexy to most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 02:49 PM
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Organic Trainwreck from Buddy Boy Farms
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 07:02 AM
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I did study and understand it. I had to when I was in college to become a teacher, it was required (I ended up deciding teaching isn't for me). I hate it because I understand it and have had to use it for credit. I agree there is some good in the foundational principles, it's the execution that bothers me. That and the slavish, almost cult-like dedication that some people have to it, insisting it always works, that as long as you use it correctly it will gently force the person you're talking to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 04:19 PM
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I'm with you in general, but I have a personal hate-on for NVC. It's stupid and annoying and doesn't work for day-to-day communication in thereal world.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 04:06 PM
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...no?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:21 AM
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Clearly someone with some confidence and a sense of humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 11:36 PM
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I was taking Raii's idea of Elgin's traits hypothetically becoming attractive in the future. Chad wouldn't change, we would just have different Chads. I disagree with Chad-theory in the first place, but sometimes it's fun to play in the other side's philosophical sandbox.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 10:37 PM
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Maybe not entirely but it's a core factor that influences other non-genetic factors. You'd be a fook to pretend otherwise. Influences. Yes. But genetic urges are very broad and non-specific. Our genes tell us to look for someone "fit" and "healthy" but society determines how we define that. That's why pale skin was attractive, and then tan skin was attractive. It's why what we now would call a size 12-16 was the peak of beauty at one time, and now a 0-2 is. Armpit and pubic hair was once seen as…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 10:34 PM
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Trust me Uh huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 09:34 PM
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It’s fine to have this opinion kitty. Stop being so offended by it. I'm not offended. I know emotion and tone don't transfer well through text, but I'm not offended or defensive. I'm a little frustrated that we're going around in circles on yet another semantic argument and you still haven't actually made any sort of point. You do think you know what is best for them. In fact, you admitted already that you have an opinion about what you think is best for them. "Knowing" something and "having an …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 09:33 PM
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Do you have some study or citation that "a majority of men consider sex and children their main source of emotional satisfaction and validation"? I don't doubt that it is a big driver, but I don't think it is the "main source" for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 09:25 PM
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Having an opinion about what is best for them is thinking you know what’s best for them. They are one in the same. No they're not. Not at all. I can have an opinion while at the same time being aware it is likely to be incorrect because I don't know enough to make an informed opinion. I don't automatically assume every thought that goes through my head is correct. Do you? Why are you even trying to argue this? You already proved my assumptions correct. Because you're wrong and I didn't. You seem…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 09:23 PM
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More like the moment Elgin starts getting laid, the definition will change and he will be Chad. And all the incels lifting weights down at the pier will sob into their muscles about how women only go for Chad with his emotional intelligence and empathy and how Brunos like them will never get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 09:08 PM
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I’m on mobile now but you’ve only proved my assumptions. I don't think I have, but maybe it looks different on your phone? You have just misinterpreted my view on A, your assumption was still wrong. B and C are technically right, but they're vague to the point of meaninglessness just like usual. They just add on to A, but since A is incorrect they add nothing. A) So you have an opinion about what you think is best for them. Proving me right that you think you know what’s best for them. No, I hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 09:02 PM
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Sex and children are the main source of emotional satisfaction and validation for men. I strongly disagree with this, and the entire rest of your argument relies on it. This might be true for a lot of men, but it doesn't have to be. It is because it is socialized from the time we are babies that a girlfriend -- sex comes later, but not a lot later -- and children are the only and ultimate true validation of our worth as a man. This has been slowly changing for centuries and it has accelerated wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 08:48 PM
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You didn't. Barely-moral did. WHICH I SPECIFICALLY POINTED OUT: That's a very different claim than Barely-moral's that women specifically are solely responsible for incentivising men. Fuck, man. Read the actual post before you respond, don't just skim it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 08:34 PM
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It's already changing. That's part of why TRP are so salty. Society is changing and leaving them behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 08:32 PM
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Well the women who are rewarding toxic masculinity are engaging in their own sexual autonomy. Why do you think they are making a mistake in the choices they make? Toxic masculine behaviors are, by definition, harmful to the person exhibiting them and the people around them. If it isn't harmful, then it isn't toxic. I feel that someone entering into a harmful situation is making a mistake. They have every right to make that decision for themselves, but I might have an opinion about it. By "making…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 08:31 PM
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Humans. Yes. Incentives from society at large or from our own senses of empathy and altruism. I don't disagree. That's a very different claim than Barely-moral's that women specifically are solely responsible for incentivising men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 08:14 PM
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What gets men laid, is what lays the groundwork for the next generation of men. [...] That is how genetics, adaptation, and evolution work. That's only if everything around sexual selection is entirely genetic...and it's not. My comment was satire, not serious -- our genes and instincts are only one part of the sexual selection process, and our genetic predispositions paint with a very broad brush. If traditional masculinity continues to be rewarded with literally the act of reproductive couplin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 08:09 PM
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So you think it is fine for men to desire and hold the power inherent of a male head-of-household breadwinner (a patriarch). Sure, as long as their partner is also into that there's nothing wrong with it. There are women out there that are also genuinely interested in and happy with such an arrangement. I think they're making a mistake. You think that some manifestations of female agency and autonomy in mate selection is a mistake? That isn't what you asked and it isn't what I answered. Try agai…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:52 PM
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With the caveat again that some feminists disagree with my opinions and I do not speak for feminism... Do you think a desire for men to became a male breadwinner head-of-household is "toxic masculinity" and inconsistent with feminism? No and no. It's only unfeminist and toxic if he tries/desires to impose that living situation on a woman who doesn't want that. Can a man be a feminist and hold and desire the power of a patriarch? It depends on what you mean by "patriarch", that's a very broad ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:45 PM
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Starting with the caveat that I am a feminist, but I do not speak for feminism... I don't think either is exactly the right direction. "Traditional" masculinity isn't the problem, certain aspects of traditional and modern masculinity are the problem, and those aspects are gathered under the umbrella term of "toxic masculinity". Society in general should be encouraging men away from the toxic elements of masculinity by not glorifying and promoting them in media, while encouraging healthier forms …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:29 PM
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That's one of the big ideological disagreements between the Second Wave and Third Wave (your position is the Third Wave one, BTW). Feminists have been debating that among themselves for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 05:49 PM
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No one of any pill color is making any of those arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 05:46 PM
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Yes, we men are just mindless animals. We have no agency outside of our reproductive drives and are slaves to our instincts. We do not reason or discuss with each other, and we have no morals or ethics, we don't care about anything other than sex. Therefore it is entirely the responsibility of women to change us, because we cannot change ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 05:41 PM
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TBP doesn't usually ban people who come in to argue. It's more fun to just mock them too. As long as you're not actually trolling you can get away with just about anything. Some people will even engage you in good faith. Others will be doing the Reddit equivalent of making fart noises in the background, so be prepared for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 02:27 AM
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So you're going to completely ignore the context of what I just said and not address it at all then. Alright, I'm done here too. I haven't blocked you yet, but I will probably just stop responding to you when you reply to my comments going forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 08:50 PM
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Yes it is what is being discussed. It's what you're discussing, but it wasn't what was being discussed when you entered this thread, and it isn't what I've been discussing. You've spent thirty comments trying to change the subject to that and I have no interest in it. Oh look the study you referenced was done entirely with undergraduate college students. Didn't I say something earlier about how it stops mattering when you graduate?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 08:45 PM
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Again, I'm not advocating that people are entitled to labor. Again, you are. Again, I'm not. Forgive me for belaboring the point, but this discussion has already been had for years in American politics, and it has been established time and again that... You feel entitled to someone's body (a doctor's labor) as long as that person is compensated financially. ...is an implicit accusation that the other person is secretly advocating slavery. If you don't mean that accusation, you need to find a dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 08:41 PM
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I'm done with this particular line of discussion. It's turned, once again, into a semantic argument. That seems to always happen when I try to have a discussion with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 08:32 PM
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Evolutionary Psychological Science So a journal in a field that is generally accepted to be pseudo-science, that publishes for free on the internet, and is so unknown it isn't even listed in the rankings of scientific journals? The findings from the four-part study suggest that a romantic partner can function like a luxury watch or other conspicuous goods to enhance the status of the flaunter. It isn't about sex it is about being seen together, and it provides status the same as a nice watch or …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 08:31 PM
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Again, I'm not advocating that people are entitled to labor. I'm advocating that people are entitled to having their basic needs met and sometimes that requires using public funds to pay for them to have those needs met in a semi-free market like the one we already have. Is there any other form of labor you feel people should be entitled to? I feel people should be entitled to the basic needs of life: food, shelter, clean water. Beyond that there are things that there is a net benefit to society…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 08:20 PM
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There are many studies done on pre-selection where women are shown to be far more attracted to a man with a pretty woman attached to his arm. Once again, you are confusing social status with "reproductive value". Men gain reproductive value when attractive women are seen showing them affection (whether they're having sex or not is irrelevant) but that isn't social status. "pre-selection" isn't status. If you want to have a discussion about social status, great. If not, I have more interesting co…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 08:11 PM
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So to be clear, your prescription is to offer private sector wages to doctors Whatever wages are necessary to get enough qualified doctors to provide enough care for the people who need it. That's capitalism. because you feel people are entitled to their care? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 08:05 PM
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because the majority of men gain social status by sleeping with attractive women. No, no they don't. Not with the majority of society. Maybe if he's still in college or high school, but no one cares once you graduate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 07:58 PM
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I don't really know where to start. It sounds like ultimately what you're missing is a sense of adventure. You clearly understand how variety keeps cooking interesting, I don't understand why you don't see how the same idea can apply to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 07:54 PM
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Why do we need an unlimited number of doctors? There isn't an unlimited number of patients.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 07:51 PM
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Then someone else will. Or I will have to offer higher compensation. This is basic economics.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 07:06 PM
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Elaborate in detail. ...about what kinds of sex you're not having?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 07:02 PM
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Social status varies wildly by which social group we're talking about. A man dating an overweight woman might lose status with the football team, but gain status with body-positive intersectional feminists. He might gain status with his friends who care more about whether she's "cool" and less about her weight. He might lose status with his goth friends for dating a model. With the vast majority of people he will interact with on a day-to-day basis his status will be unaffected. Which is why I s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 07:02 PM
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Having high status might increase your "reproductive value" Incorrect. Having high status (genetic, social or financial) increases your reproductive value. Wut? In this context, we are speaking of social status. Yes! Men are seen as having higher social status by the caliber of women they are able to sleep with. No! And it absolutely has lots to do with how it is gained or lost. It's complicated!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:54 PM
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I feel entitled to their labor as long as they are willingly providing it in exchange for agreed upon compensation. If they don't want to, then no one is entitled to anything, compensated or not. This is the basis of capitalism. Stating that as being "entitled to someone's body" is at best bizarre and incorrect phrasing, and at worst intentionally misleading. Basically, using the word "entitled" is completely wrong in this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:51 PM
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Obviously not an entitlement to free labor (slavery). [...] You still feel entitled to someone's body through labor though. You're going to have to explain how these two things are different. Btw, I thought you were a communist. And here you are advocating capitalism. I fall somewhere between well-regulated capitalism and Euro-socialism. I'm only an anarcho-communist in the bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:43 PM
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In this context "status" is broadly how society sees you, not just whether women want to sleep with you. This has been the context since Electra_Cute and NalkaNalka started this particular thread. Having high status might increase your "reproductive value" (not always) but that is only one small part of what it affects and has nothing to do with how it is gained or lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:39 PM
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Entitled to have that care paid for. That's different from forcing someone to give them therapy who doesn't want to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:34 PM
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I guess if she's the one wearing the fursuit it wouldn't be too bad. I parsed your statement to mean you would wear it, but that makes a lot more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:33 PM
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I'm also speaking as a male, FYI. With sex, what's going to change? Everything is a variation of three positions, technically. A different room/location doesn't change the experience much. Three different positions and three different holes (V, butt, mouth)? I mean, that list of combinations gets exhausted rather quickly (you could literally try it all in 1 session easily). Jesus that's a boring view of sex. On the other hand, with cooking the amount of cuisines, and therefore recipes and ingred…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:31 PM
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I'd say "Don't knock it 'til you try it", but if it isn't your fetish, don't bother. Fursuits are expensive, and uncomfortable and sweaty to be active in. If it isn't adding significantly to the experience for at least one of you, take it off. It just isn't worth the smell and the risk of ruining several hundred dollars worth of faux fur....or heat stroke.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:13 PM
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You are making the case that everyone should be entitled to someone's labor. No, I'm not. So you should be entitled to someone's body as long as it's a significant benefit to society and those people? I understand misinterpretation, but this is just stupid. I explained once, and you completely ignored the explanation and asked the same idiotic questions. i'm not going to bother explaining again.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:08 PM
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Everyone's taxes, but yeah. Just like everything else that are paid for with taxes because they benefit society. That's what taxes are for.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:05 PM
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Yes, in the same way that water has a pH. It is the neutral level That is my point. So you agree with me. Technically yes, So you are agreeing with me. I guess, although I disagree with the way you phrased it, the way you are applying it, what you say it means, and almost everything else you have to say around it. But yes, I guess we agree on that narrow, specific thing. How are they regaining something they never had? They were virgins remember? We're talking about normalcy. Being a virgin is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:04 PM
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Where did I say that? There are already people who voluntarily exchange mental health care for money. I'm advocating for public funds to pay those people to provide mental health care to people who need it. I believe that people who need mental health care being able to access it regardless of their ability to pay is of significant benefit to society in general, in addition to benefiting those people specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:49 PM
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Men are not born with normal status. Society generally assumes someone is "normal" until something changes that opinion. A newborn is given the benefit if the doubt, no one looks a a 1-year-old and goes, "welp, they're a weirdo/incel/whatever". Once we start acting for ourselves then society decides how much and which direction we deviate from the norm. Men are made. It's women who gain reproductive value by virtue of puberty, not men. Uh...who was talking about "reproductive value"? Regardless,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:43 PM
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I think everyone should be entitled to mental health treatment, but I was trying to comment on what sublime was suggesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:32 PM
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Not in its current form, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:29 PM
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They don't gain "normal" status from having sex, that's already the baseline. They are born with "normal status, and failing to have sex (once they are old enough society thinks they should be) can cause them to lose some of that that status, and finding a partner can get them back some of that status they lost, but just having sex, even having lots of sex, doesn't gain more normal status. In fact having numerous partners also results in losing "normalcy", it is objectively as abnormal to have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:29 PM
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I'm pretty sure that's why they should get access to mental health treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:24 PM
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Sex becomes pretty uninteresting after you've had it 100+ times. Bullshit. If sex is boring you're doing it wrong. I'm a chronic neophile, I get bored of everything eventually and sex continues to be interesting and rewarding. It's like cooking, the underlying idea is always the same (preparing food; mutually touching genitals) but there is just so much you can do with it that it never really gets old. I mean, yes, if I make the same spaghetti with the same sauce over and over I will get bored e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:22 PM
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Gay men know what makes a man attractive (to them), because they are attracted to men. TRPs aren't gay, generally, so they're guessing what makes a man attractive -- to anyone, much less to a woman -- and then projecting their guess onto women. It's a very straight-male idea of attractiveness, if you dig into it a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 10:23 PM
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Confidence or lack thereof is not who you are though, it's just how you think about yourself. I'm confident because I decided to be. It's something I have developed over many years. Once I got good at just being me, I looked at myself and decided I like who I am regardless of what anyone else thinks, that is confidence. It hasn't been an easy road. I grew up being ridiculed and bullied and put up very high walls and lots of masks to protect myself. I actually got into a lot of early PUA and prot…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 10:43 PM
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Good argument. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 10:28 PM
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Pedestalizing is bad, yeah, but I have never been so sexually successful as since I started "being myself". Humans are attracted to confident authenticity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:45 PM
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I do. No it isn't, clearly you've never been in a toxic abusive relationship. You say "no standards", but it is likely just a case of "different standards". I like chubby girls. I date chubby girls. I have high standards, but they're different standards from yours. I'd take one of the girls I'm into over one of the girls you're probably into because she's actually sexier to me. Maybe the idea that most people probably have different standards and preferences from yours just didn't occur to you t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:39 PM
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Nothing about the term connotes that he is only finding women who wish they could have relationships with him but can’t because he ghosts them. You say that, but that is exactly the assertion that I see every day from red and black and purple flaired users in here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:33 PM
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My best friend's other best friend is named Chad and he's actually an asshole Chad. It makes me laugh every time I see him. He got married though and he's mellowed out a lot. He's still Chad, but he's less of a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:31 PM
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I have been told by several guys on here that I am Chad because I have casual sex. Like...ever. Or because my partners are enthusiastic and enjoy sex with me. And if their definition of Chad is more complicated, I am told that I must just be a Chad but don't know it because only Chad can have casual sex easily. I've even been accused of lying and understating my attractiveness because only Chad can have sex like I do. Rather than admitting that maybe non-Chad guys can get laid, they just came up…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:29 PM
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The answer is no. And if his answer is yes, then he's Chad so your worldview is protected. It's circular, every man who women are enthusiastically sexual for is a Chad, therefore women are only enthusiastically sexual for Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:10 PM
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No, they're not projecting themselves onto Chad, they're projecting what they think makes a man attractive onto women. It's pure solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:05 PM
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Sexual harassment is not a crime. There isn't a state in the US where sexual harassment is a criminal offense, and you can't be put in jail for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:01 PM
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im pretty sure this is the definition of male attractiveness That's not "attractive", that's being a master manipulator. A charismatic cult leader.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:55 PM
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So now it's the tone you're concerned about. Yeah, most people who post on TBP are probably some sort of liberal and feminist. Those are the types of people that tend to see problems in TRP. That doesn't mean the sub is for discussions of feminism or liberal causes, the sub is for mocking the manosphere. Particularly stupidity in the manosphere (you'll notice reasonable and intelligent statements are rarely brought up for mockery). No ideology, no attempt to convince anyone of anything, no theor…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 03:04 PM
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I understand that might have been the intent, but I've been aware of TRP for a number of years and it has always been ideologically driven as long as I've seen it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 06:58 PM
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Most of it is done from a "hurr durr Terps/Migtows/Incels/MRAs are ridiculous" viewpoint. Yes, that viewpoint is frequently informed by the users being varying degrees of liberal, progressive, feminist, or just logical, but the humor is most often based in pointing out some stupid, hypocritical, or hyperbolic statement or ideology and roundly mocking it for being stupid, not for being conservative or anti-feminist. But so what? I'm not sure what your original point was, I just disagreed with you…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 06:01 PM
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I can't access archive.is from work, our firewall blocks it. Can you just link the actual page? I'm already a TBP member, I won't brigade them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 05:53 PM
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Why on earth do you have a screenshot but no link? Like, it certainly looks like TBP, but I can't find that comment chain anywhere, no matter what words I'm searching for.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 05:23 PM
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They were justifying government spending to give subsidized housing and smartphones to illegal immigrants That doesn't sound like a TBP post at all. I wouldn't be surprised to see it being discussed in the comments, but it would be off topic for the sub. Do you have a link? I tried searching the sub for "immigrants" and didn't find what you are talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 05:15 PM
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Typical views of The Blue Pill subreddit are highly progressive and intersectionalist, seeing the crusade for the protection of minorities as the keystone of current social debate. You clearly have never actually read the Blue Pill subreddit. It's 2% promoting progressive ideas and 98% mocking the most extreme posts from TRPs, MRAs, and Incels. While serious discussions do occur occasionally that is not the point of the sub nor its primary purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 05:10 PM
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In its truest sense RP is supposed to be anti ideology though Lol. RP is an ideology though..
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 05:08 PM
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I don't post topics, but I'm an active commenter and I even actually engage in debate in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 04:56 PM
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Most Blues here are absolutely willing to grant that TRP has some good ideas, and what we disagree with is how they are presented mixed with the stupid evo-psych and misogyny. We understand the nuances and context because we have talked extensively with RPers and clarified their views. Someone without that understanding would be more likely to just reject RP out of hand. Most people have no interest in understanding TRP, it isn't relevant to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 04:52 PM
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almost a leftist equivalent of TRP, imo. Jeebus, have you actually read TBP? Or are you just basing this on other people's circlejerky opinions? It might be more liberal than it was, but it's still 98% mocking extreme TRP and MRA and Incel viewpoints.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 04:46 PM
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In your example the subject makes a conscious choice to become pregnant with a person who is, I'm paraphrasing here, a piece of shit. In u/philomexa's example the subject is not intending pregnancy as a result of their actions. They are stupid for having unprotected sex with anyone they don't want to get pregnant. The fact that the person they are having sex with is, I'm paraphrasing again, also a piece of shit is a very different calculus when you (stupidly) don't consider pregnancy. I don't th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 12:02 AM
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You're not reading my post right. This is what I believe: Guy sabotages a woman's drink to rape her = He's at fault Woman sabotages a man's birth control to get pregnant = She's at fault - FTFY I wouldn't call it sexual assault but that should (IMO) definitely be at least theft or fraud (a trust crime for the act, or a property crime for obtaining his semen without permission). There are things both victims can do to partially protect themselves. It is unfortunate that those things are necessary…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 11:55 PM
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What I am amused by is this argument is frequently made by the same people (mostly men) who are all about applying partial blame to rape victims because they shouldn't have been alone with a guy, or shouldn't have worn skimpy clothes, or shouldn't have drank so much. Are there things someone can do to make this particular situation less likely? Yes. Does not doing those things make it their fault when it happens? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 10:41 PM
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Fraud or theft, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 10:32 PM
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but the reverse normally gets shouted down as “victim-blaming”. What do you see as the reverse of this situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 10:27 PM
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Sure, why wouldn't we?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 03:02 PM
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Gee, it's almost like the lesson should be not to try and model your life after a fictional show or movie. Hell, even if it was real they are different people in different circumstances. They aren't you. I think I was three when I realized I would never live on Sesame Street or be Mr. Rogers' neighbor. Maybe it is a harder lesson for some people though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/18 10:38 PM
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Right, there's a difference between doing it by accident -- because of a miscommunication, bad memory, or whatever -- versus doing it intentionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/18 12:56 AM
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You were specifically talking about radicals You came up with them, not me, when you asked What about conservative wingnuts and extremists? I think this is a pretty pointless argument, so I'm just going to leave this here. "If you start from a rather radical perspective (radicals pretty much by definition want radical change and also think they're the most qualified to produce it), becoming conservative definitely means being more moderate." ...a little funecdote! That is a funecdote! Also, I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 03:03 PM
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How do you know this for a fact? Why do the craziest most extreme views seem to be held by old people then?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 02:58 PM
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Dude, I know what those things are, I just haven't ever heard they have been the leading causes of extinction. Your assertion was: Many, if not all extinguished species of animals met their demise due too sexual selection going overboard with traits selected. That's what I want to know more about.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 12:36 AM
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Right, they hold the same views that they've held in the past, which tend to become moderate views as time progresses, So wait, do they hold the same views, or do their views change? This is self-contradictory. And what make you think they would moderate and not harden if they do change? The most activist people I've known were college students who were a long ways away from even considering having children. The activists I knew in college were (to some extent) doing it because they liked being …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 10:21 PM
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Asking for specific credible links is always difficult, but i'm sure you can find them within a few clicks. I'm not even exactly sure what you're asserting, so I don't know what to Google. That's why I want to read more. You're the one who knows about this, can you at least tell me what to Google or where you learned this?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 10:02 PM
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Many, if not all extinguished species of animals met their demise due too sexual selection going overboard with traits selected. I'm gonna' have to ask for the source on this one. I've never heard this before in all of the biology classes I've taken. That doesn't mean it's false, just that more than your assertion is needed for it to be accepted as a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 08:41 PM
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Have you been living under a rock and haven't heard of the Tea Party? Granted. The Alt-Right? The KKK? Radicals Christian Dominionists? Westboro Baptist Church? Pro-life activists? The John Birch Society? Fundamentalists (i.e. also radicals) Yes... specifically conservative radicals and fundamentalists. Conservatives are on one end of the spectrum, liberals and progressives are on the other end. Moderates are in the middle. Then why are you first stating Okay, so to you "more moderate" means "mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 07:29 PM
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What is a conservative extremist? Have you been living under a rock and haven't heard of the Tea Party? The Alt-Right? Christian Dominionists? Westboro Baptist Church? The KKK? Pro-life activists? The John Birch Society? I could just keep listing activist/extremist conservative groups but I think I've made my point. "Conservative" means "preserving", i.e. it means not striving for (radical, progressive) change. What a gross oversimplification. That isn't what it means politically in the US, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 06:33 PM
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When they do, my guess is that they tend to vote more moderately, and are probably the people more likely to switch from party to party when they vote. Based on what? They're less exposed to other ideas so there is no reason to believe they would change their views or vote differently. Uninformed people just vote for a particular party just because they always have, and if not they just don't vote at all. Single people have more time on their hands, and are probably more likely to get involved i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 06:25 PM
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If you start from a rather radical perspective (radicals pretty much by definition want radical change and also think they're the most qualified to produce it), becoming conservative definitely means being more moderate. So what about conservative extremists? or a radical right-winger who becomes more rounded around the edges. So they would become more liberal, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 06:05 PM
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Okay, so to you "more moderate" means "more conservative". What about conservative wingnuts and extremists? Would they become more liberal if they were forced into a monogamous relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 05:28 PM
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Why? Wouldn't they care more because now those issues affect their children? They might not have time to go out and be activists, but that doesn't mean their politics will change.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 05:22 PM
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I draw a distinction between politically moderate and politically disengaged. People who don't have time to get informed or be activists can still hold (and vote based on) very extreme viewpoints and beliefs. If anything it's more likely because they aren't exposed to alternative viewpoints as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 05:21 PM
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So you think a populace that doesn't have time to organize politically or stay informed because they're too busy with children is more moderate?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 07:18 AM
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No, but I also don't consider them childfree. Most of them are childless, in the sense that they don't have children, but most of them would probably want children if they could find a relationship on their terms. In fact many MGTOWs are angry that they can't have children because they have been "pushed" into MGTOW. Someone who is childfree doesn't want children at all. They don't necessarily dislike children, they just don't want any. I'm childfree, it doesn't matter what my lifestyle or relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 11:05 PM
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but as a whole, marriage is only becoming available for the attractive and wealthy. Hahahahahahahaha... oh, you're serious. Hahahahahahahaha!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 10:47 PM
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Yes. People become more focused on their families rather than trying to change society in one way or another if they are involved in monogamous relationships with offspring. That doesn't mean the populace is more moderate, just that they are less politically engaged.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 10:37 PM
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Anecdotally, radical feminist beliefs are strongly correlated to child-free women, while strong TRP beliefs are held by child-free men. Your anecdata conflicts with mine. Many radfems want children because it is the ultimate expression of womanhood, and both TRPs and radfems make up a very small fraction of childfree people in general. All of the childfree people I know both in person and online, if I know them well enough to know their political leavings, are on the liberal side of politics, ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 10:18 PM
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I guess that would be the aggregate result, but that's fairly meaningless. It doesn't actually say anything useful because it ignores everything that makes it "reparations".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 09:00 PM
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And from poor to rich. And poor to poor and rich to rich. Ignoring those parts of it over and over is just disingenuous. Yes Bill Gates would pay and poor black people would get some of that, but Bubba down at the trailer park would also have to pay some, and Kanye would get it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:29 PM
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Not all white people are rich, and not all black people are poor. No matter what way you slice it, it is still a redistribution of wealth to the poor class from the rich. Except for the white people who are also in the poor class, and the black people who are in the rich class. It's redistribution, but along racial lines not class lines. If you want a more spirited debate talk to someone who actually supports the idea though. I'm only concerned with correcting obvious misconceptions, not defendi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:24 PM
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I'm not selling shit, man, and I don't weasel. I admitted it's imperfect, and any progressive worth their hummus would do the same, we just think it's better than doing nothing and just hoping society will change on its own. You can agree or not, but why don't you try not derailing a perfectly civil conversation by being unreasonable? Did you run out of rational arguments? Or did you just get tired of debating like an adult?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:17 PM
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If blacks were a privileged, rich class, then there wouldn't be calls for reparations. Blacks aren't a privileged rich class because of the continuing effects of slavery and Jim Crow, and systemic racism and bias that is still ongoing to a large extent. That is what reparations are about. If these things hadn't happened, it wouldn't be necessary. I think it is quite disingenuous to argue otherwise. I'm not. You can claim it is about taking from all whites and giving to all blacks It would be, ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 07:21 PM
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It's less than it used to be but it is still happening a lot, and the effects of it happening fifty years ago are still affecting people today.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 06:29 PM
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It works in more than theory, just not perfectly. It's still better than continuing the status quo of white men only hiring other white men because they just assume they're more qualified than a woman or non-white that went on for centuries.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 06:09 PM
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it is still an example of powerful politician advocating money to be taken from the rich and handed to the poor. No it isn't. It's advocating money or other resources be taken from whites of all economic classes and given to blacks of all economic classes. I don't support it personally, but it's important to accurately present it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 06:05 PM
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So supporting diversity in college campuses would mean adding far more conservatives to tenured positions, say. Yes, although ideological diversity is less of a priority than diversity based on things people don't get to choose for themselves because of the historical context. Diversity policies are a response to historical and current systemic discrimination. It's an attempt to mitigate the effects of ongoing systemic discrimination which undercuts what should be simple meritocracy. The "goal" …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 06:02 PM
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But I'm the oppressor class unless i cut my dick off because diversity doesn't mean diversity of background, experiences, thought. It means we want less white cock in the room You're confusing diversity-as-intended with diversity-as-implemented. It's a very difficult thing to nail down, and the current categories and policies are rather broad and heavy-handed. It does exclude some people that would add one type of more diversity like yourself because it is based on generalities, rather than spec…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 05:42 PM
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If Asians are already over-represented, then of course it wouldn't be "diversity" to add more of them, any more than whites. Again, that is literally what diversity means. It isn't specific races, it is whoever is under-represented. In the NBA for example increasing diversity would mean adding more white and Asian players (and more black owners).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 05:36 PM
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There is a democrat every year who calls for reparations. Reparations aren't about taking from the rich and giving to the poor, it is about trying to make up for injustice. And unless there is some chance of it actually happening it is just pissing into the ocean even if a senator is calling for it. They don't have the power to make it happen. No. The rich who control the businesses want transport. I'm not saying that is the actual case, I'm saying that is the argument that is made. Most governm…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 05:32 PM
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You're right, that was a bad choice of words on my part. It isn't sexual, but it is natural, just like murder and assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 05:10 PM
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There are two motivators for rape. The desire for sex, and as a demonstration of power. The desire for sex is a natural "base sexual desire", not rape. Rape occurs when that desire is acted on without regard for consent. It is not a desire specifically to rape, it is the same desire that drives all sex, but without the consideration of the other person's consent. The base desire for sex isn't the problem. Rape as a demonstration of power is unnatural. It is weaponizing sex as a means to express …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 05:00 PM
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I don't consider public services to be a redistribution of wealth, although it could be argued that it literally fits the bill. Unfortunately "conservative" (and Libertarian) politicians and media generally don't agree with you. When the GOP or Sean Hannity rails against "redistribution of wealth" this is exactly what they are talking about. No one with any actual political power is calling for money to be taken away from the rich and just handed to the poor in cash -- the closest thing would be…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 04:48 PM
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That does not appear to actually be the case: Harvard Business Review Economic Policy Institute I found and read several articles expressing the opposite view as well, but none of them backed up any claims with actual data, and most focused on perceived social problems caused by women working, not wages.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 04:36 PM
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Diversity just means less white people with cocks to you. ...yes? If a group is 90% white people with cocks, then anyone who is not a white person with a cock is increasing diversity. That is literally what the word means. It means a more even distribution of different backgrounds, races, genders, worldviews, creeds, whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 04:32 PM
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Hell, as far back as the foot-treadle loom people have been claiming that technology is destroying jobs. I'd even venture that the first stone hatchet probably had detractors who thought it would destroy the tribe by making it too easy to carve canoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 04:20 PM
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Yeah, but it isn't usually the same people making those two statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 03:03 AM
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There's a difference between "these tactics work on these sorts of people" vs "these sorts of people are okay being side-pieces or having casual sex". In your OP you ask "Q4All: Are the girls who deliberately become side-chicks "broken" in some way?" That's what I'm talking about, not prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 09:57 PM
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I often see bloops here say these things about the women RP men sleep with. You're missing the point. BPs aren't saying they're damaged because of their relationship choices, BPs are saying they must be damaged because RP tactics work on them and we can't imagine someone with a healthy sense of self falling for those stupid and heavy-handed PUA-lite methods. It's not a judgement about the relationship or their choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 07:10 PM
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Yeah, no, that's a classic straw-BP position. The only thing BPs have a problem with (I'm sure there is at least one exception, but in general) is when it is phrased to imply that only are/can be terrible, or that women are notably worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 11:54 PM
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You asked what middle-ground model for marriage makes people happy, not what is the safest or most successful. I shared what I know, I don't know why you felt the need to try and dismantle my non-argument. Only about 50% of marriages last 20 years, and roughly 70% of all divorces are initiated by women. These statistics have been addressed hundreds of times in this sub. The 50% statistic includes second and third and Nth marriages which have much higher failure rates. The success rate of first a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 10:50 PM
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No we don't. We absolutely believe and admit that people -- many of whom are women -- can be vindictive, vicious, and cruel. The issue is that RPs and some PPs like yourself only seem to talk about how bad women are, and/or claim all or almost all women are bad. Like in this case, you made it gendered, I said it shouldn't be gendered because all humans do that, and somehow you admitted it shouldn't be gendered and then made it gendered again: blue pillers on this sub have a hard time believing h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 10:33 PM
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I dunno, because it's an important part of their lives? because they're afraid if they don't tell you about it and it comes up later you'll feel lied to? You'll have to ask them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 06:20 PM
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What's the middle ground compromise that makes people happy? For the vast majority of married people it seems to be a "normal" marriage: No prenup, reasonably egalitarian division of labor, try to work out problems when they come up, and hope for the best. All of the happy married couples I know, whether my generation or my parents' generation, use that model.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 06:18 PM
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Or she's glossing over intimate details she doesn't feel like sharing with a new acquaintance. Maybe she's not calculating everything she says to try and impress you and she just doesn't want to talk about it in depth with someone who is still essentially a stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 06:11 PM
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And we all know how valuable anecdotes are when discussing entire populations.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 06:07 PM
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Some men do that too. People who have been hurt in a relationship, intentionally or otherwise, sometimes lash out and try to hurt their partner back. If not financially then in other ways. Why are you making this a gendered thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 06:05 PM
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Yeah, but they reject company and validation because they're so obsessed with sex-as-validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 11:04 PM
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Female lions don't get to choose their male, the male that beats the rest of them in a fight mates with all of the women. Their preferences/attraction doesn't matter. Through much of history, women don't get a choice who to mate with either. One man would beat away his rivals and mate with the women. That seems to be a much more likely explanation as to why most men didn't reproduce. As women have acquired more power to choose their mates, most of them choose monogamy, not being part of Chad's h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:39 PM
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Male, mid-30's, I don't hide it but I don't bring it up IRL, and that's partially because I don't know what it is. I estimate between 150 and 200, but that's as close as I can get because I never really kept track and I have a terrible memory. I was a virgin at 18 too, so all of that has been in the second half-ish of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 08:24 PM
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To have land gave you power to make changes and vote within the feudal system. And women were prohibited by law from owning land, no matter what other station, resources or abilities they might have possessed. Even if they managed to purchase or inherit some the deed wouldn't be recognized until they married, and then it would be owned by their husband. They were disenfranchised from the only political democratic system that existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 08:05 PM
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Yeah, but the author conveniently ignores them, they're only half the respondents after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 06:06 PM
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I think people who like having casual sex will probably give you better answers though. That's me, and I tried having this discussion with Smoogs before and it devolved into an argument about the definitions of "love", "feelings", "casual", etc. I've stopped trying to have these debates with him because he seems to care more about using semantics to "win" the argument than actually having a discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 06:04 PM
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Those feelings can be "this person is a friend I trust and enjoy doing things with" or "this person is attractive" or "horny...hole...ugh...", they don't have to be "I want to spend the rest of my life with this person and make all the babies!" People are both more and less complex than a lot of us give ourselves credit for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 06:00 PM
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Which means you're just begging the question. You are literally defining your argument as correct, even though nobody else in the world uses that definition of "casual." This is just what Smoogs does in every debate, and if you manage to nail down his definition and agree to start using it he just changes the subject or ends the debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 05:55 PM
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I'm not so sure. The people that I know have casual sex do instinctively understand that sex can lead to a relationship, but they they take precautions against them the same way they take precautions against stds and pregnancy. One girl even refers to it as "catching feelings." Lol, that describes me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 05:50 PM
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Its called a waiting list like on national health and book appointments in advance. Okay, fair enough. I can't talk for every Incel as they're alot of volcels that brigade that sub claiming to be Incel but the vast majority just want regular. I don't peruse incel boards frequently, but when I do "regular" still seems to be defined as fit, healthy, near-virginal, and submissive, at least based on how much vitriol and how many words are spent bashing women who don't fit one or more of those requir…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 05:31 PM
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There might be places where it uses "partnered", but in most of the article it specifically uses "married".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 04:17 PM
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What, specifically is that evidence for? What point are you trying to make? Okay, so more women than men have reproduced, at least thousands of years ago (it's much closer to parity these days), what do you think that proves?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 04:16 PM
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Did it also cause men to actively prohibit women from participating in building just about all of society for millennia? Nice change of subject, BTW.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 04:13 PM
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So what's your solution if there are more men who want sex than sex workers who are willing to serve them? What about the incels who already don't go to prostitutes? It seems like most of them don't just want sex, they want the emotional/social validation, or they want some other perceived benefit of a "girlfriend". And they won't accept a woman who is fat or "slutty" or older than 30 or has children or a thousand other requirements. Neither of the incels who have committed acts of terrorism wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 11:16 PM
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Do you have any evidence that women are choosing partners along these "innate preferences" more now than say...50 years ago or 100 years ago, when social pressures along these lines were stronger but recently enough that arranged marriages weren't common any more? for the same reason the female lions are instinctively attracted to the taller male lions, with the bushier manes, and the biggest teeth Because humans are exactly like lions and only know how to follow the base instincts of our biolog…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 11:02 PM
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women have a very significant tendency to severely lie about their past sexual history. Evidence? (Other than American Pie 2)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 10:41 PM
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That's what the study says, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 10:24 PM
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yes, the people having lots of casual sex are the people who spend a lot of time drinking and partying and (usually) aren't very ambitious or career-driven. That describes me, except I don't go out and party very often. I enjoy it, I just can't work up the ambition or drive to go out half the time. the hard-working nerd who has to get up in the morning for work That also describes me. i work 40 hours a week, usually 50 with overtime, I have a condo and a late-model car and a cat. Between the par…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 10:16 PM
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Evidence? It's in the same article in the OP that every other statistic quoted in this whole discussion came from.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 09:48 PM
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Since incels believe they are sub human. They are more likely to attack society and people. We are the monsters society made us. Incels believe they are subhuman, incels are more likely to attack people, but "society" is at fault? "Society" didn't tell incels they're subhuman they tell themselves that, over and over and over in an echo chamber of their own making and ban people who try to tell them differently. "Society" doesn't deprive incels of sex because "society" doesn't owe incels sex. Inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 09:47 PM
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The main trend is that to be attractive to women be older than her, make more money than her, be invited to social events frequently, and be tall. Those all scream traditional and patriarchal. The trend is moving away from this. Traditional gender roles are a major driver of those preferences, and they are becoming less and less pronounced as those traditional gender roles fade away.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 09:16 PM
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If you claim you are for ending gender roles but still only want a man who is older than you, makes more than you, above 6'0" tall or whatever, then are you really for ending gender roles? They might be informed by or influenced by gender roles, but having a preference is not the same as enforcing or approving of gender roles. Its because its harder to be an attractive man in the eyes of women than an attractive woman in the eyes of men. "Women are generally choosier than men" is not a gender ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 09:03 PM
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Finally, have you considered a possibility that you yourself might have been greatly influenced by the media? Extensively, but I got over it and admitted my natural appreciation for fat girls long before the "fat is beautiful" movement existed. Starting from Michelangelo's David, I suppose? Have you seem Michaelangelo's paintings or sculptures of women? They're not obese, but they're not skinny or fit either. Neither are a lot of his men. David is fantastically fit because he's a hero, he's depi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:18 PM
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"Fat is beautiful" is a response to society deciding it isn't. For thousands of years it was, no Tumblr required. In some places it still is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 03:48 PM
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The same place "fashion" came from. Part personal preference, part human social group dynamics. For example in Western society tan skin has only recently come into fashion in the last hundred years, during the Victorian period and many years before pale skin was considered beautiful and tan skin was ugly. The most obvious one though is the weight we consider beautiful has varied wildly throughout history and cultures. Just looking at Western culture the size of beautiful woman used to be a lot l…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 03:00 PM
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It's so obvious to me, I'd actually pose the question the other way around -- why does beauty have to be subjective? Because the standards of "beauty" have varied wildly throughout history, and between cultures. If there was some "objective" or genetic component most humans and human cultures throughout history and the world should have very similar ideas of what is beautiful, but other than a general preference for "youth" and "grooming" there is very little agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 05:36 PM
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On the other hand, there's just not that many really active users here in the first place. Those photos probably represent a reasonable sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 08:47 AM
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I think most of the guys who claim to want a "male led relationship" also expect their wives to be doing the cooking. It just seems to go hand in hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 08:27 AM
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I'm a dude, and I do this same thing. It's a rough habit to break but noticing when you're doing it helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 08:25 AM
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Of course Based on what? Is this more than just your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 08:21 AM
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Maybe she was exposed to the ideas later in life and intentionally studied and learned it. That seems to be the way most feminists become feminists. Learning something intentionally =/= being programmed/indoctrinated.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 04:22 PM
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I don't understand the point then. Lesbians don't want to have sex with men, fulfilling or otherwise, so saying they will lose out on it is, well...pointless. Why would they or anyone care? It's like if someone told you that you would lose out on the opportunity to pound nails through your dick. Unless you're into that, no judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 11:20 PM
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It's possible, but the article suggest the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 11:15 PM
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It could be, but given that the wider culture isn't "feminist" in the way the article author is, it seems unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 11:14 PM
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Why is "never" the standard? It certainly isn't what I am asserting, and I don't see it appear in his statements either. For me it's more about what the typical or common man looked for in a mate, and based on what I've read it seems like a motherly personality wasn't usually the highest priority. Even when it was, what that means has changed drastically throughout history.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 11:13 PM
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Personalities incorporate everything outside of physicality. See, this is why I keep asking for clarification. Your definition of these terms is different from the usual and so I am misunderstanding what you are trying to argue. Usually "personality" is one of many non-physical attributes, I wasn't aware that you are using it as a catch-all term. I am kicking at the goalposts he constructed. Dude, you're playing rugby while the rest of us are trying to play American football. Yeah, it looks simi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 10:45 PM
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Radical feminism is 2nd wave. Intersectional feminism is 3rd wave. And you didn't specifically state either one. So if I understand correctly, your entire point is that lesbian feminist women who hate men will not have good sex lives with men. Did I sum that up correctly?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 10:37 PM
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The problem is that, traditionally, men have viewed women only as objects without much regard to their personalities, desires, passions, etc. You think men have selected women to be the mother of their offspring without regard to her feminine qualities? He was talking about objectification of women in general, men not caring about "their personalities, desires, passions, etc." You specifically narrowed that to motherhood and "feminine qualities" without defining what that means. Now you're movin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 10:32 PM
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I refer you back to this, where I quoted you saying that feminists in general have unfulfilling sex lives, and then two posts later saying you never said feminists don't have fulfilling sex lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 10:24 PM
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So you did say the thing you said you didn't say before saying you didn't say it. Yer honor, I may be jus' a simple country law'r, but I rest mah' case.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 10:16 PM
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Again, what specific "maternal qualities" are you talking about? The definition of that has changed throughout history and is different between different countries and cultures. And do you have any basis to believe that men choosing women based on how good of a mother they would make (as opposed to who they wanted to bone) was common, as opposed to it simply being the romantic ideal that got written about when it happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 10:14 PM
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You say biological, I say cultural, the science isn't settled and so we both just look at the results we personally find the most convincing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 10:11 PM
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Gee, it's almost like overcoming cultural programming isn't an easy process. Who'd-a thunk it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 09:50 PM
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He was the one using the word traditionally. I think that’s obviously false. Men have been selecting women for motherly traits for a long time. Enough time to incorporate the term “traditionally.” You're making the assertion that I'm asking about, what do you mean by "traditionally" or "a long time"? And what do you consider "motherly traits"? Beyond the ability to give birth, a lot of the traits and behaviors we consider "motherly" today were not considered proper parenting even 100 years ago, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 09:48 PM
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At a certain point, you'll go political lesbian and swear off men like many feminists have. You either become male incel and are incompatible with women or go radfem and become incompatible with men. And you clarified that you meant this as the collective "you", seemingly referring to feminists in general. I never said that feminists have unfulfilling sex lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 09:44 PM
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Yes I do know the definition and I quoted it thereafter taken from wiki and crowd sourced by feminist academics. Some women enjoy being treated as sex objects and claiming they don’t exist is inherently sex negative. Yeah, after reading the whole thread you had with u/larry-cripples I can see that what you mean by "sex object" is not the definition I'm used to. If we use your definition as I understand it then I agree that some women and men (myself included) do enjoy being treated like "sex obj…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 09:40 PM
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It was your OP, there's really no excuse to misquote your own source. The three paragraphs at the end that you left off completely change the tone of the article, so by leaving them off you did, in fact, misinterpret the essence of the piece. Your OP is asking about how to reconcile feminism and dating, and the part of the article you left off is about how the author is reconciling feminism and dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 09:32 PM
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You as in the royal you. Unlike the "Royal We", that isn't a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 09:24 PM
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At a certain point, you'll go political lesbian and swear off men like many feminists have. You either become male incel and are incompatible with women or go radfem and become incompatible with men. And yet so many feminists of both genders have happy, fulfilling sex lives. It's almost like reality doesn't line up with your fantasies. At the same time, no one wants to be treated as an object alone. False. Be sex positive and inclusive of whores please. Also, plenty of sluts are out for a quick …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 09:22 PM
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OP left out the last three paragraphs that flip over his point: I’m speaking for myself, but I know that there are other feminists that make exceptions in their love lives as well. We’ve been fooled into thinking that true love demands exceptions, that our lives are finally complete when a man loves us, and that acquiring a boyfriend is the ultimate sign of worth. The status quo dictates the following line of logic: what’s a well-rounded woman who can’t lock down a man? What’s secretly wrong wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 09:13 PM
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Those aren't the last words in the article. These are: However, even after all of this boiling in me for months, it's still a process. I might text him tonight…but, maybe I should wait. Well, now, I won’t wait as long. I realize that it’s going to take me more than a night to unlearn all of the gender roles I’ve been socialized into, but this is a start. What do you think? And there are several paragraphs above that which also didn't get quoted in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 09:11 PM
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The important last several paragraphs that are conveniently left out of the OP is where she talks about how she is trying to move past these behaviors she herself feels are hypocritical. She is consciously aware that her actions are not in line with her feminist self-image and is making an effort to more accurately present her real self when dating going forward but it is difficult to move past these "scripts" that have been so deeply ingrained. Eh, it's better to just read it, she says it bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 09:08 PM
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I agree with you, but I was specifically talking about "Nonviolent Communication" or "NVC", not just not being nonviolent. It's an entire system of communication that is popular in education and therapy, similar to Rapaport's rules for debate but more for everyday conversation. It's marketed as something that can be used in every day life, and I had to learn it for a class in college back before I realized I really don't want to be a teacher after all. Some people swear by it. I find it infuriat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 08:53 PM
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Is...is this satire? It feels like satire. If it is I congratulate you because it is amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 07:01 PM
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And porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 06:56 PM
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It's already about 50/50 that when I don't understand someone's position and ask for clarification I am met with either deflection, aggression or a total change of subject. Imagine if people could just shut down any disagreement at all by not being clear enough about what they are asserting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 05:33 PM
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It's the same problem "Nonviolent Communication" has, it only works when everyone is trying to use it in good faith, otherwise the person who is acting in good faith is at a severe disadvantage to the person who isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 05:29 PM
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Yeah, that makes sense. Which is probably why the media reporting didn't especially focus on either of their races. They look white in their pictures, incels are a white guy problem, therefore most people just assume they're white. I'm embarrassed to admit I made the same assumption, but I'm open to the new information. I'm on Reddit enough to know incels aren't all white guys though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 05:23 PM
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Pretty sure most people missed it. That's one of the main reasons why "the dialogue seems to be that incels are a white problem".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 05:15 PM
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I didn't know that, and I'm a news junkie. I don't think that was made especially clear to the general population (not that it matters anyway, but that's what informs the dialogue).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 05:08 PM
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The two that have made the news recently were white dudes, so incels are default white in the popular consciousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 05:04 PM
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Do you have some basis for the assertion that "every woman they have approached" told them to fuck off or ignored them? That women are consistently intentionally cruel to them? Other than their self-reports?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 05:03 PM
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I want to/would fuck all of my female friends. They all know it. The fact is simply on the table, it doesn't change anything because everyone knows that unless they want to I'm not going to push it. I'm like a gay best friend but with the option of benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 08:15 AM
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Been there, done that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 08:07 AM
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"Incel", in context, only refers to people who self-identify as "incels", not just anyone who can't get laid or thinks they can't get laid. Basically no one outside the incel community uses the term. Ignoring the context and usage is just willful misunderstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 07:34 AM
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You were with them while they were setting up/going on dates? Or they were telling you about doing this for some reason? How many attractive women just talk frankly about intimate details of their lives to you? Are you a therapist in Hollywood or something? Do you have a reason to believe this is common behavior among women outside whatever community or social group you belong/ed to? Only attractive women? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDyVeIuTQLY
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:40 AM
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One of the classic white lies. I appreciate my friends that I can say "I love you but I just don't want to hang out right now" and they get it. Other times it's easier to avoid the possible hurt feelings and failed attempts at explaining "it really is nothing personal".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:35 AM
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Still not actually answering the question, what would be a more accurate term than "misogyny"? It's misogyny that is driven by frustration, I get that, I'm sympathetic, but it's still misogyny. There are other ways to express frustration, and most people outgrow throwing tantrums and blaming everyone else when they get frustrated. You had to use a child in your example, because when adults do that it's just sad and uncomfortable. Being sympathetic towards feelings of frustration doesn't mean you…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 04:07 PM
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I'm curious how you know women are doing this? Is it just that you've been flaked on and this is the scenario you came up with to explain it? Or do you have some unique insight into how a significant proportion of attractive women schedule dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 04:00 PM
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Given that the "venting, seething and coping" is directed at women...sometimes individually and sometimes as a group but always women...that seems much more general and less precise than just calling it "misogyny".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 01:35 PM
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So do you have a "more precise term"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 01:23 PM
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Nope, cis-het dude. It's a common mistake though. Apparently anarchy and cats are inherently feminine or something. And my mom never did it much, three are just a couple of instances that have stuck with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 01:21 PM
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I'd say the average guy is like that couch on Craigslist. It's in good condition, maybe a little banged up but still alright, and if it matches your carpet and walls it'd be perfect for your living room, but as-is it's only going to appeal to certain buyers. If it isn't going to work in your living room it is way more trouble than it's worth to take it because you'll just be putting it back on CL in a month or two, but if you're one of the people who likes that unique couch it's perfect for you,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 11:06 PM
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It's an article from The Telegraph. It's 50/50 that the "study" actually exists, and if it does there are even lower odds that it is being presented accurately.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 10:57 PM
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In my life 90% of the shame or attempted shame I have ever gotten for not conforming to a masculine ideal has been from other men. It is the women in my life that have always encouraged me and supported me when I have made decisions that buck traditional masculinity. The exceptions have always been my parents' generations (Boomer and Silent Generation), every woman who has voiced a problem with me not acting manly has been my mom's age (or my mom), and my dad and his friends have mostly been sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 10:25 PM
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Women are only "pretty" if they wear makeup and have perfect figures and no wrinkles or signs of aging and smooth skin with no hair and their clothes are in style. Men can be "pretty" (handsome) in an old t-shirt and baggy jeans and a haircut they describe as "manageable" with two days of face stubble and leg hair long enough to braid. Basically it seems like men are naturally "pretty", women aren't pretty unless they change themselves. This isn't my opinion, it is just my observation of our cul…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 10:06 PM
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If someone has shown time and time again that they're not taking the conversation seriously, why should I take them seriously now? You always have the option to ignore them if you don't think they're arguing in good faith. When you engage anyway, but do so in a way that ignores the actual argument they made, you're the one who isn't arguing in good faith. And again, calling out people who historically post garbage doesn't hurt that person at all. An ad homonym isn't a fallacy because it hurts so…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 09:29 PM
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Young people in general are having less sex, men and women, compared to several previous generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 09:16 PM
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150 years ago, that weirdo villlager's family would arrange a marriage for him. Only if he was an orphan or an outcast or something would he be an incel. You're probably thinking of a time a lot more than 150 years ago. In 1868 there weren't a lot of arranged marriages in the Western world. Even "back in the day" when arranged marriages were more frequent, that weirdo probably wouldn't have one unless they were the eldest or only son of a noble or something. They were always a middle-to-upper cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 08:59 PM
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I would wear that shirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 08:44 PM
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It's literally the definition of ad homonym, directing your argument at the person rather than addressing what they said.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 08:38 PM
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A more precise term like what exactly? The dictionary definition of misogyny is "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women" which those "mean words" as you put it seem to squarely fall under.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 08:30 PM
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Do I really need to define it? We were all virgins once. Were you good at it your first time? Or first few? Some people just never bother to get better. I'm also including things like inconsiderate lovers and starfish, and people that try things they see in porn without modifying them. Sex is a skill. It can be developed through practice and improved to a point through study, but some people don't try to get better because they don't think they need to or they don't care. Or they just haven't ha…
/r/PussyPassDenied02/05/18 01:57 PM
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I agree with you in general, I want to draw a distinction between just being sexually incompatible and actually being bad at sex. I don't place blame or pass judgement if someone is just sexually incompatible, so it didn't occur to me that someone would lump that in with actually lacking the skill or care to be good at sex in general. I apologize to anyone who was offended.
/r/PussyPassDenied02/05/18 01:40 AM
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I'm not talking about incompatibility of preferences or lack of chemistry, that just happens and it's no ones fault. I mean being bad at sex. No matter how skilled you are as a lover, some people just won't fit together that way, that doesn't make you bad at it, and I guess I didn't account for miscommunication. I'm happy you found your solution. I'm solo-poly myself. :)
/r/PussyPassDenied02/05/18 01:36 AM
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Everyone has different preferences, but the underlying skill-set is the same. It's all about communication, particularly reading non-verbal feedback and adjusting accordingly. If one person tells you you're bad at sex and another thrashes and moans like a porn star when you haven't changed anything, one of them is probably lying.
/r/PussyPassDenied01/05/18 09:23 PM
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You work with 16 million-ish people and you have some way to know there are no Beyonce fans among the other 150 million men you don't work with? Impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 07:36 PM
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There's a fairly wide gulf between having a celebrity crush and being a groupie.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 07:32 PM
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And if everything goes right with a groupie, never the twain shall meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 07:30 PM
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I'm starting to realize that every time OchinChin says anything facts have long since been left behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 07:27 PM
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Adele's voice by itself is hotter than a lot of people's entire beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 07:18 PM
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You work with all the men who are into Beyonce? Or do you mean you work with all the gay men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 07:14 PM
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I knew before hitting the 'save' button that you would come back with the 'hey [humans/circumstances/whatever] are very complicated you know' cliché that may as well be used in any and every conversation about any and every topic imaginable. Gee, maybe because it's true. Yeah, masculinity is complicated. No, it is not complicated in the way you intend to portay it. I'm not talking about masculinity. I'm talking about fetishes, kinks, and sexual preferences. save me the 'No true scottsman' fallac…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 09:37 PM
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But in order to believe that you have to adscribe to the fantasy many people tell themselves that humans can have completely different personalities, beliefs and character outside the bedroom than they have inside. Maybe not "completely different personalities, beliefs and character", but different attitudes and preferences? Yes. This has been studied extensively. Read some Kinsey some time. Which is of course bullshit. If anything, your natural traits will become more extreme during sex. Or may…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 08:29 PM
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I don't understand what you're trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 08:06 PM
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Yeah, I am sure Genghis Khan or General S. Patton loved, loved, loved being insulted and having their genitals stepped on because it's something 'they had never experienced'. It wouldn't surprise me, but we have no way of knowing because no one kept records on Genghis Khan's fetishes, or interviewed Patton about his sexual proclivities. We certainly can't say with any level of certainty that they were into these practices, but you can't say with any certainty that they weren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 07:54 PM
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90's porn was so bland it's hilarious. There was barely any porn featuring *mainstream* fetishes, much less more niche kinks like cuckoldry. I was in middle and high school in the 90's and I was *very* interested in porn (and found ways to access a lot more than I should have been able to). The 90's were a low point for porn in this country in terms of both quality and variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 07:47 PM
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Ah, sorry. I didn't realize because it has been deleted.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 04:39 AM
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It is not some mysterious thing where the cause of ED is unknown. That's true. And the medical research into the subject doesn't say porn is the cause. Porn was clearly the cause in my case as the ED was accompanied by a period of high porn use and disappeared when I got my porn use under control. Other men report the exact same thing. Okay, so your experience and those other men you have talked to are proof that you're right, but my experience, all of the men who watch porn and don't have ED pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 05:52 PM
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Ah, so Occam doesn't bother to consider that ED was simply not reported in the past because there was no effective treatment for it, or because the culture was more repressed towards talking about sex. I mean, clearly Viagra was invented in 1989 because no one would need it for another 20 years until Millennials discover internet porn. Every other generation has stories of hard cocks that won't go down. What?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 03:52 AM
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I watch a ton of porn and masturbate every day, in addition to having a fairly busy sex life. I've had a problem with ED exactly once and it was due to unrelated stress. I can orgasm and keep going several times in a night and I trained myself to do it watching porn and masturbating. Your assumption doesn't correlate to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 03:50 AM
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Isn't that an argument for why people could call leftists communists or marxists? It's an argument for why some leftists could be called communists or Marxists, specifically the ones who are communists or Marxists. That is a minority of people who are on the left. I'm not supporting SlimLovin, I'm disagreeing with NalkaNalka.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 04:29 PM
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Compassion can't motivate murder. False claims of compassion can attempt to justify it, but there is no such thing as compassionate murder. Genocide is never compassion to anyone. Anyone who claims otherwise either is lying or doesn't know what "compassion" means. As for matching their words, neither Hitler, Mao, or Stalin ever used the word "compassion" because they weren't speaking English. Whatever words they used in their own languages, I don't know those languages well enough to argue wheth…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 10:22 PM
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But they considered it compassionate towards the German people or the working class. Why do you believe this? Because they said so? I don't believe they felt or were motivated by compassion at all. I believe they were murderous sociopathic thugs who were doing everything they could to consolidate and protect their own power. Any criticism of the ideology would be met with “do you have no sympathy for the working class/German people etc... they are using appeals to emotion as a shield for critici…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 09:38 PM
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But I know more than a fresh out of college kid. All fresh out of college kids? About everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 09:24 PM
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The systematic murder of millions of people is not compassionate. Anyone who claims it is is either lying or they intend something totally different from the accepted meaning. Also, when Mao or Stalin talked about their motives they did so in either Chinese or Russian, so arguing about the specific interpretation of the English word "compassion" isn't really relevant anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 09:23 PM
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I'm not arguing with them? The point being discussed is whether a political philosophy rooted in compassion is inherently destructive. carefreevermillion made the point that Stalin and Mao killed millions of people and called it "compassion" -- and my point is that regardless of what they called it, it wasn't actually compassion, so using that as an argument against compassion is disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:59 PM
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Nice job totally ignoring your own context. No, my point is that just because a regime calls itself compassionate doesn't mean that it is. If it isn't actually compassionate, it can't be an argument against compassion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:40 PM
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Men have had more experience with democracy than women due to women being unable to vote for so long. "Men" are still individuals. Myself and a woman my age have exactly the same experience with democracy. You and a woman your age have exactly the same experience with democracy. I don't have more experience just because my great-grandfather was able to vote and my great-grandmother wasn't. The way I see it, philosophers have written on how to lead, but they were men talking to men Because only m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:37 PM
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But what does it matter whether a man or a woman invented those things? That's my point, it's completely irrelevant whether a man or woman invented those things. Their gender has no effect on anyone alive today.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:31 PM
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Yeah, we should just let Boomers keep running things -- because they've done such a bang-up job so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:26 PM
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You dont' know everything. The problem is that people like you think you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:22 PM
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And dammit we all need to get off your lawn!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:18 PM
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Or Poe.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:15 PM
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Who invented.... Blah Blah Blah Not me and not you. People invented those things. The fact that they happened to have the same genitals as us doesn't mean we get to claim any credit for them any more than any woman gets to claim credit for radio frequency whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:07 PM
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Yes, that's why the national highway system is useless, Yellowstone Park is a smoking crater (okay, some parts of it are, but they're supposed to be), and our military can't do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 07:59 PM
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The problem isn't ideologies based on compassion and equality then, the problem is selfish and murderous ideologies that claim to be based on compassion and equality but aren't. There's a phrase that comes to mind...I don't quite remember where I heard it but it seems to come up a lot...I think it goes "Watch what they do, not what they say" or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 07:54 PM
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Their words say otherwise. And we all know authoritarian dictators never lie about their motivations.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 07:51 PM
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Well, if the Feminist version of history is correct then women have no experience in political power (which I don't agree with). It's like like giving a 15 year old the keys to your car. Yeah, they might have a general idea of what it means to drive a car but they've never done it. You disagree with the thesis, and so do I, but I am more interested in your point that you make based on it about women not having political experience. It is an interesting point to make, because it requires that we …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 07:50 PM
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Okay? Maybe if you tell me what your point is I might actually agree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 07:06 PM
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Did you even read what I wrote? So if there are literal self proclaimed communists it's fine to call anyone on the left a communist? No, but it's fine to call the communists and people who hold communist beliefs communists. Same as Nazis. Also who are these "self proclaimed nazis"? do they have any power numbers or relevance? They've been in the news extensively for the last year and a half, holding rallies and parades and marches, giving interviews and running for political offices. People have…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 06:21 PM
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I think the point is that when there are actual, literal, self-proclaimed Nazis, it stops being inappropriate to call them Nazis. Most Lefties don't call "everyone who disagrees with them" Nazis, they call actual Nazis, and people whose proclaimed ideology is similar to the Nazis or who choose to defend and associate with Nazis, Nazis. Only the most fringe or thoughtless lefties call everyone they disagree with Nazis because one of the core elements leftist philosophy is group identification. Ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 05:49 PM
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Most people turn 18 during their senior year of high school. At many schools, they still aren't allowed to leave campus without their parents' permission, despite being legally adults. Of course some universities also have rules like this too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 05:35 PM
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Oh yeah, this is a big part of it. As I've gotten older and started drinking with my parents' friends more often I've started hearing stories, or new details of stories I had heard before, about some of the crazy shit they and their friends got into back when they were my age and younger. Every generation thinks they've invented sex, drugs and <generationally-appropriate rock-and-roll-equivalent>. Every generation thinks the ones after them are immature, irresponsible and immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 05:28 PM
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Clearly you've either never had a really bad bj, or you are terrifyingly bad at jerking it. Do you like, involve your finger nails or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 01:49 PM
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Most of my FWBs started as ONSes that were good enough to decide to do it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 01:44 PM
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It's more of a support role.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 01:22 PM
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She didn't say help though. She used the word help, She did say "help". You clearly admit she said "help". but then admits to having no idea what to do. Which doesn't mean she isn't asking for "help". She said "I have never changed a tire before.". I didn't know how to do it until I learned how to do it either. I needed help my first time, now I can basically do it blindfolded. I'm guessing you weren't born knowing how to change a tire either, at some point you had to learn how. I read it as 'do…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 05:56 PM
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It's definitely easier with two people. I'd get mad if I got a flat and my passenger didn't help regardless of whether I was dating or fucking them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 03:44 PM
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I'm with you on this one. This sounds like hell to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 05:10 PM
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I love that one
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 03:39 PM
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Looool.You are one confused dude. You sound like you have a comprehension faculties of a child. Are you this naive ?! So I guess that's a "no" on the civility?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 08:20 PM
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How long does romantic live last: https://theanatomyoflove.com/conclusions/time-and-romance-conclusions/ That's not a scientific paper, it's an advertisement for a web site. Did you actually read all of it? It doesn't reveal that it's just an ad until the fifth page. But you have to understand that romantic love scientifically is used to refer to the first intense stage of being in love Romantic love is a scientific term that refers to a certain specified emotional and behavioural phenomenon . S…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 08:19 PM
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The point is they are not brief!the effects aren't brief!The longevity ,depth and consistency are part of the whole experience. So you say. You have yet to provide anything that proves this true other than your own opinion about what love is and isn't. You keep insisting we're not discussing the definition, but every argument you have is about the definition. The way you define "romantic love" excludes anything that isn't long-term, and the way I define it doesn't. You keep insisting that you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 06:41 PM
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I don't really advocate this because it violates bodily autonomy, but it would be nice if there was some way to reversibly sterilize everyone when they're like, 8, so that having a child always requires getting the reversal first. It would make it an active choice rather than a possible accident.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 05:42 PM
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Stop dancing around. Start working on your logic there. you damn idiot. Stop being delusional. I'd appreciate if you would show me the same civility I've been showing you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 05:30 PM
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How the hell are they suppose to exclude your what your are experiencing?you seriously waiting for me to site a study that specifically says "oh by the way dude it can't happen for only one day and you can't possibly be content with only a one night stand,and you can't be that superficially affected by the departure"!! I mean, that is what you are asserting, so...yes? I mean did you even read the common physical and emotional signs of the that love?they pretty much already make it clear that wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 05:30 PM
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I want state sponsored vasectomies so women can be fully stripped of their reproductive choice. I wouldn't phrase it like that, but I'm 100% in favor of that as well. I think voluntary sterilization should be free and easy to get, and I would be happy for my taxes to help pay for it. Liberals would probably similarly feel it is inherently unethical for taxpayers to foot the bill for my fuckboy lifestyle too. Are there costs to that other than a vasectomy? Like free condoms or anything? I'd be co…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 05:00 PM
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And teen pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 04:50 PM
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There exists a paradox because contraceptives have never been more available and sex ed has never been more widely adopted, In many states there has been an active (and successful) push in the state government to roll back sex ed, contraception availability, and abortion availability. These same states have seen increases in STI and unwanted pregnancy rates, but the conservatives in charge have also been cutting social programs that support single mothers and impoverished children.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 04:46 PM
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I asked for studies only after you claimed you had them. Now you're claiming there are "millions". I can show you millions of different romantuc love scientists and you will see that they all agree and report a very consistent universal experience of romantic love. Why don't you start by showing me one. One scientific study or paper that specifically defines romantic love and excludes my experiences. So far you've shared three things and none of them exclude what I am experiencing from being "ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 03:50 PM
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Limerence is one type of romantic love, but it is not the only one. There are other types of romantic love that are equally valid. The articles you posted are about experiences that are common, but not universal. None of the "scientific studies" in any way say "if you don't experience these exact things you aren't in love". Why is it so important to you that you have to keep arguing that what I'm calling "love"...isn't? Why do you feel the need to seek out scientific papers and formulate complex…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 10:38 PM
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The thing is, there is no way I can know if my partner was traumatized by that experiences or I am just not attractive enough for her to want to do those things with me. You can listen to them when they tell you. If you don't trust them not to lie about it, you shouldn't be with them. In the same way my partner wouldn't be able to know if marriage and travel were ruined for me / I was traumatized by that experiences or she is simply not good enough of a partner for me to want to marry her/travel…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 09:56 PM
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Okay, so it isn't about "love", your entire point is that what I'm feeling is not limerence. You're right. For fuck's sake, if you had said the from the start this whole stupid miscommunication could have been avoided. I know what limerence is. Limerence is not the same thing as romantic love, it is one specific type of romantic love (which is clearly stated in the fifth paragraph of the Wiki article you referenced if you bothered to actually read it. There are similarities between the love I fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 09:24 PM
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Why are you so obsessed about "proving" that what I'm feeling isn't love? You insist there is a "physical reality" of love, some sort of measurable, definable way to say "A is love, B is not love". You claim there are studies that have determined that love is the same everywhere and for everyone. Bull. Fucking. Shit. Put up or shut up. Let's see those "studies".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 08:36 PM
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When you got married before, did you discover that you didn't like it? Did you realize you signing a marriage certificate causes you pain or that romantic travel traumatizes you? No? Then it isn't comparable to what we're discussing. If those things do hurt you, then yes, your partner pressuring you to do them would indicate a lack of respect for you. It would demonstrate they care more about getting the things they want than about how you feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 08:27 PM
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given that I don't know a single person alive that has ever fell head over heals in love over the duration of a one night stand,then walked away the next like nothing happened You have now. I'd offer to shake your hand but I can't quite figure out how to push mine through the ethernet cable. You have one thing wrong though, I don't walk away like nothing happened. There is still the pain of an ending, albeit attenuated by the short duration. It is worth it though, it is a happy kind of pain. we …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 07:13 PM
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the natural and common experience of love. "Love" is a word generally used to describe a particular set of emotional responses, but humans have been arguing about the details for as long as we have had language. I thing you are just throwing it shallowly around without deep reflection upon what it means. I assure you I have reflected on the meaning of love far more than most. My definition might be different from yours, but don't mistake disagreement for shallowness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 06:10 PM
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"Funny" is even less well defined than "love", so you might be right and you might be wrong, or you might be both. Meanwhile, I'll just keep living my life and loving as I do. I hope you do too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 05:51 PM
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I was trying to make the point that they were goofy and I'm not super attractive and I believe that it was the text of my profile that was more important, and I was using humor to imply dismissiveness towards your assertion because that "study" is hilariously full of holes, but clearly you're not one for subtlety.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 05:34 AM
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I'm not going to say "you're wrong", because that's your stance and you are free to have it, but to me that seems like a really unhealthy boundary issue. I would never expect a partner to do something they know they don't want to do, nor would I ever do such myself. It's a huge red flag and shows they don't respect my boundaries or care about my feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 05:32 AM
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Statistically? lol. Show me the study?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 05:26 AM
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Okay, well you haven't seen my pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 04:02 PM
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There's that too. If I were rich and famous I'd have several people on staff whose job is to vet the women and ensure that none of them are slaves or victims or under-age, and to help any that turn out to be. That way I can do some good even while I'm man-slutting around the world. I would also favor real slutty women who aren't perfect 10's over prostitutes who are, but that's just my taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 03:50 PM
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Well they're not public about paying for it, they're just public about hanging out with dozens of porn stars and escorts and models on their yachts on Instagram. The assumption is those women are either getting paid or are there for the free food, booze and adventure. A few of them might be there because they actually like the guy, but probably not all of them, especially when there is a different dozen the next week.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 03:44 PM
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Yes, but I think the assumption that the rich person wouldn't be raping them should be assumed, if only so as not to derail the conversation. If they don't rape the sex workers they are hiring it is highly unlikely they would be accused of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 03:38 PM
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The original comment was about hiring them, not raping them. That is true though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 03:37 PM
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If risks could be eliminated entirely, the stigma would still exist. It isn't based in some rational calculation, it's judgemental and puritanical. The risk of injury (including pregnancy and disease) from "safe" casual sex is far lower than mountain climbing, skiing, boxing, or commuting to work by bike (or thousands of other activities people do all the time), but none of those activities have anything like the same stigma. The risk of unwanted pregnancy with a dozen one night stands is no hig…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 03:36 PM
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Poets, philosophers, and artists have been trying to do that for millennia (and psychologists for centuries). It's hard to define because it's a feeling, and there seems to be little agreement about it. Party of the problem is that in English that is one word -- love -- to refer to any number of different types of human emotional connections. What I have realized is that there is less difference than the world seems to think...but that might only be true for me... or only be true for some people…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 03:23 PM
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I have read the sub some, and I've read most of the side bar. I mostly listen to and discuss with TRPers here in PPD though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 03:16 PM
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Nothing is wrong with it, but I don't believe TRP is actually trying to do that in good faith. They have too many assumptions and biases that don't reflect reality. They'll tell you themselves they're not interested in the truth or in understanding, they're only interested in what works -- and their system doesn't even do that reliably.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 03:13 PM
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I live in the liberal PNW and it seems like everyone and their mother has tattoos. My manager has full sleeves and he just got promoted to VP (financial services company). It probably skews significantly by geography. The percentage is probably even higher in liberal areas, and lower in conservative ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 03:08 PM
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They were both on OkCupid and I credit my profile more than my pics. Could have been both though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 02:58 PM
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Some people aren't interested in pair bonding though. Some people just "don't do relationships". Why should they be shamed by society?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 02:57 PM
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That's what's awesome about humanity. We're all different. I have love in my life, from my friends, from my family, even from my cat, and I love all of them, and all of humanity in turn (yes, even you). When I have sex with an ONS, I'm making love with a woman I loved already before we ever met, and who I will still love when they are gone. I'm good at love. I'm not good at relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 01:48 AM
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If it is more culturally accepted, it stands to reason the stigma around both the education and use of contraceptives, STD testing, and voluntary sterilization would also decrease, which would have the opposite effect. People already have casual sex, but with less stigma I believe they'd do it more safely. It's already the case that in sex positive places and communities safe sex is much more common and both unwanted pregnancy and STDs occur at a much lower rate than the general sexually active …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 01:45 AM
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I'm both insulted and flattered ;) This is very different from the type of ONS sex that seems to be promoted by RPers where letting your emotions show or caring about your partner is seen as not just weakness but an active turn off. Maybe I'm just missing those discussions though, I don't really read the TRP sub much, most of what I know comes from here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 01:39 AM
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but there are very real negative consequences to having casual sex culturally accepted too. Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 11:32 PM
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No, it's still going on. The battle lines have been pushed back, but there's still a war and if the sex positive side stops fighting the sex negative side will still steamroll us back.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 11:31 PM
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Not necessarily. That is one way to do it, but it is far more rewarding to make a deep, passionate, personal connection, even if it only lasts a few hours. To fall deeply, madly in love, even if it's only with the mask the other person is wearing, even if it ends when the sun comes up. Make love like newlyweds who have been apart for far too long, and part again whenever Uber shows up. There's also plenty of middle ground where you respect them as a person and just have some mutual fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 11:21 PM
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If they're hiring prostitutes (and actually paying them and treating them like professionals) there's no real risk of getting #MeToo'd. That would only be a concern if they're like, banging interns or hitting on employees or being gross to costars. More to the point, I don't really know why they aren't (I would), but most of them just aren't (and the ones that are are really public about it).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 11:02 PM
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I literally had never met them before, that is what the discussion is about. If you want to talk about friends hooking up that's a different discussion. I don't really remember what the first woman said, basically it was something like "You seem cool, wanna' hook up?" The second woman is the one I'm still friends with and I still remember her opener. She said "Do you like pussies?" and I said "I love cats" and she said "No the other kind ;)" I think the conversation is still in my OkCupid mailbo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 09:22 PM
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Hell, it doesn't even happen for most rich famous dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 08:45 PM
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More so, almost no women message a random man sexually out of the blue. That's a complete lie. That has happened to me twice, one of the women I'm still FWBs with. It does happen, but it's not common. I was also 26 at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 08:39 PM
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Congratulations?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 08:36 PM
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If you're going to reply to a post referencing a study and reference a different study, maybe you should link to the one you're quoting, or at a minimum make it clear you are looking at a different set of numbers. So your arguments against tattoos are that a majority of people don't have them, and you don't personally like them ("it's a permanent deformation of your body that is unwise in some cases" is just opinion). Regardless, the majority remains with me, The majority is with you in that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 08:34 PM
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Where did you get those statistics? I see 17% have some regret, not 25%, and "some regret" is a fairly broad description. It doesn't break down whether they regret the tat, paying too much, breaking up with the person that tat is for, or whatever. And even if only 36-40% of Millennials and GenXers have tats (which is the numbers in the US) compare that to only 8% of the total population that is inked. It's not a majority, but it is clearly enough of a critical mass to normalize it. Just to compa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 07:07 PM
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That study was done in Australia, but I think most PPDers are in the USA. In the US the rates of people with tats is a bit higher in every demographic: https://www.statisticbrain.com/tattoo-statistics/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 05:53 PM
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If he hears this explanation and doesn't believe you, then he will think that you were more attracted to your ex than you are attracted to him now. And that will damage the relationship. That should end the relationship, because he has shown himself to be an immature asshole. If he leaves her over it, she dodged a bullet. Maybe you have a long term relationship so good that your partner can trust in that explanation at face value. That's the hope, yes. Why risk it? Why not go and look for someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 02:29 PM
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The important thing is to realize when you're putting a burden on your partner that they're having trouble carrying, and finding a way to stop or mitigate it. That's the mature healthy solution, imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 01:54 PM
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That is one of the things that ended my last relationship. I just couldn't do it any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 01:27 PM
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Or learn not to care. You just make sure you have spare sheets, a good mattress pad, towels and paper towels nearby. Basically bad sex benefits from the same preparations you should make for good sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 11:26 PM
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But it's hard to know until you try it. I say this as a straight man: you really never know until your first time whether you want a second.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 11:24 PM
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And every woman I've ever talked to who's been divorced has done pretty much that exact thing. So clearly it's a bad strategy. Most women know it, some women don't, and some women who know it's a bad idea do it anyway (humans aren't real good at being rational, especially when desperate or horny). millions of women who use EXACTLY that as a strategy. So somewhere around half a percent of the female population of the world. That's...actually lower than I'd expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 11:20 PM
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FYI u/Mr_Smoogs - I'm a guy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 06:44 PM
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They're not mutually exclusive, but it's also not an explicitly "masculine" trait. It's fairly gender-neutral in my experience, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 05:55 PM
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Okay, so you don't want the government to pay for any medical care or support any poor people at all. Is that correct? If that is the case I disagree, but I can understand your point. Or is it only women that you think shouldn't be getting government support?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 05:21 PM
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I only started having romantic/sexual success when I started being myself more, but who I am has also slowly changed and evolved over time. I'm interested to see what answers TRPs will give when it isn't a confrontational discussion where they feel they have to defend themselves or TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 04:03 PM
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It's the same thing. Nobody has the right to a job as VP of ACME corp. Nobody has the right to being hired to be a stay at home husband. It's totally different, because there is the additional requirement of someone loving and marrying the man who wants to be a SAHH, and that's not a job, it's a life choice. While it's true no one has a right to any particular job, they do have a right to not have their gender considered as a qualifier for any particular job (there are exceptions, like actors an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 11:06 PM
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So that means that any man who wants to be a stay at home husband and can't find a woman to support him is being oppressed. Um...no. Not the same thing at all. Now if he wanted to work as a housekeeper/nanny and a company refused to hire him because he is a man, that would be oppression, and I'm sure it does happen. The same societal preconceptions that designate some jobs as "woman's work" can cause problems for men as well. So you agree that men are being systematically oppressed by society in…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 10:52 PM
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Who was stopping them? Mostly men who refused to hire women even though there was no actual rules against it. Just like sometimes happens today. This is all besides the point. What matters is what is happening now. We don't have a time machine. We live in the present. So you have no idea when it changed, or don't want to address the question. Is that correct? Everything that exists now exists because of the history leading up to it. Ruling all of history off-limits for the discussion is disingen…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 10:17 PM
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Once an abortion is necessary it's a little too late for that. I absolutely agree, the state should subsidize birth control as well, but that doesn't take anything away from an abortion being a medical procedure that should be subsidized. It's a whole lot cheaper for taxpayers than subsidizing the woman giving birth, it's safer and less damaging than giving birth, frankly if a woman wants an abortion the only reason to oppose paying for it is because you want to impose your own moral code on her…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 10:07 PM
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But does self-confidence+physical attraction+charisma = sexual success? Yes it does. Basing a sexual strategy on this equation being factual is indeed useful. Why does anyone need TRP to tell them that? It's not some secret knowledge. Economists constantly argue and discuss solutions to the marriage stability problem and would absolutely entertain any theories on a game theoretical solutions and strategies for the individual within the experiment. Yes, as theoretical thought experiments. They're…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 08:26 PM
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Okay, so when did it change? At some point in the past there were no rules against it and women were still denied opportunities. You assert that today there are no rules against women working and that's how you know they aren't denied opportunities. When did it change from women being denied opportunities to women not being denied opportunities? Since it clearly wasn't when the rules changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 08:02 PM
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Hence why RP works for so many men How many? Like, I see this assertion bandied around a lot here, but does anyone actually know how many "so many men" actually is? Ten? Millions? 53,761-and-a-half? It is intended to apply to reality in a very useful way. Not by the economists who created it. That was the point I was making. It was never intended to be used or applied the way you are in the OP, and any actual economist would laugh at you for trying. Sexual success for men in most cases requires …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 06:27 PM
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A lot of them do, but the percentage of the population of either gender that starts their own businesses is very low. According to the most recent numbers I could find easily, 13% of the working population are starting and running their own businesses, and over 40% of them are women. I am referring to what the overwhelming majority of the American workforce does though, and that is work for someone else. I asked several questions, and you ignored them to change the subject and make an unrelated …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 06:12 PM
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In physics thought experiments the world is frequently simplified to inelastic round bodies moving around a frictionless vacuum. It makes it easier to think about it by leaving out the extraneous details, but there is an understanding that it doesn't apply directly to the real world because so many variables are being ignored for the purposes of theory. Unfortunately some people who don't understand try to apply the principles directly to reality and are confused when things don't work out. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 05:54 PM
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A purely "cosmetic" nose job is not covered because it isn't fixing a medical problem or condition. If someone's nose is damaged in an accident or malformed due to birth defect it is a covered medical procedure. Same if there is a problem with their nose that causes them undue pain or risks their health or life. Giving birth is a covered medical expense, why wouldn't abortion be the same? It costs the state a whole lot less over time, and every pregnancy and birth carries a risk of death or inju…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 05:34 PM
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So do you believe that has always been true? Or did it change at some point? Like, when the actual written rules against women working were removed, do you believe that women had no other barriers to working immediately and were equally free to enter the workforce? Or did it take time before they actually had the same ability to get hired that men did?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 05:24 PM
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An abortion is a medical procedure. If the state it's subsidising medical procedures (it is) it should subsidise abortions. Makes sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 07:47 AM
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trade noun (plural noun: trades) 1. the action of buying and selling goods and services. 2. a skilled job, typically one requiring manual skills and special training.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 07:43 AM
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No written rule, you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 07:35 AM
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The biggest threat of men going savage mode is if feminism makes things so bad that the whole system crashes down. Is that what happened in third world countries where women have basically no rights and lounge I constant fear of kidnapping and rape? Too much feminism caused that? Don't forget men could have said No. No votes for women. They decided differently. Stop painting men as the enemy. We don't get credit for being effectively forced into correcting an injustice that we [men, as a histori…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 07:33 AM
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It's not a cop out so much as it just seems blatantly obvious. If you read the rest of the comments, it clearly isn't though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 07:25 AM
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As do married couples. That's not conducive to you're argument though so you're just ignoring it, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 07:20 AM
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Yeah, he really has no ideological core, he is for and against whatever he feels like at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 10:07 PM
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Lol, "saved conservatism". That might be true, except he isn't a conservative any more than he is a liberal. He has poisoned the Republican brand for generations. The people who support him rabidly aren't doing it because they believe in conservative ideology, it's all about him, and when he leaves office there will be nothing keeping them engaged. He has killed conservatism by forcing conservatives to compromise every principle they have just to support him. As a liberal, I'm hopeful that if we…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 01:39 AM
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Yes, men and women both enforce toxic masculinity. It's deeply ingrained in our culture. That's why it's such a problem. No one is disagreeing with that, and it doesn't invalidate that problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 01:10 AM
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Y'know what, do whatever you want. Just understand that no matter how justified you feel, throwing around personal insults, lying, manipulating, and demeaning other people makes you an asshole. In not saying you don't have the right, I'm saying it's a shitty thing to do and it accomplishes nothing. It lowers you down to the level of the assholes doing it to you, lower really since you're directing it at people who weren't even involved instead of the people who actually attacked you to begin wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 01:06 AM
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If someone insults you, why would that give you the right to turn around and insult someone else? That just makes you at least as much of an asshole as the person who insulted you. So again. Why should I have to be the bigger man? That doesn't make sense. If there are women who lie and manipulate men those same women can't be mad when they get lied and manipulated back. I treat others how they treat me. It's simple. That doesn't have anything to do with calling women "sluts and whores" (your wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 12:43 AM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 11:38 PM
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There is actually a lot of conversation and debate in activist circles around this very issue, and I've seen friends who are both far more left than even I am get torn apart over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 11:31 PM
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Yeah, every group has some assholes. We generally call-out our own, but the rules in the TBP sub are very different from here in PPD. Hyperbole and satire is expected there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 11:29 PM
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I don't even know their ideology really. Just that they hate red pill. Some Blues hate it and some don't. The uniting factor is disagreeing with the Red Pill, primarily some of the underlying ideology and principles. I would assume they're more pro women and pro feminist ideals. Some, but most of us are more egalitarian than explicitly pro-woman. It's better expressed pro-woman and pro-man, we just have a different idea of what being pro-man means than TRP does (see: disagreemen with underlying …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 11:27 PM
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The truth is that men just don’t feel emotions as strongly as women do. Which means that men who do feel or express strong emotions (other than anger) are seen as less masculine, forcing them to bottle up or hide their emotions causing psychological harm, or forcing them to vent all emotional energy as anger or another "acceptably masculine" emotion. We aren’t ruled by constant anxiety and uncertainty like women are. Which means that men who suffer from depression or anxiety have to hide it or b…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 11:19 PM
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I can link her page if you want. Whose page? Do I have to link them? Can't you just take my word for it If you're going to assert someone is "the average blue user" it would be helpful to know who you're talking about. What they post and where is a verifiable fact (or would be) but whether they represent the average Bloop is a debatable point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 11:10 PM
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No. There is no sex position or mental state where you can be pegged while calling yourself a dom. Bull. Without getting too explicit (this isn't a porn sub) anything a dominant woman can do with a submissive man, a dominant man who likes talking it in the ass can do with a submissive woman wearing a strap-on. Dominant/submissive is a state of mind -- an attitude -- not specific actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/18 07:06 PM
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On the first page of Google results I can find several different definitions of both terms. Which definition is the one you are using, and what data should I be looking at?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 11:32 PM
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If you can't claim 100% stability then how can I take this comment seriously? I dunno, is anyone 100% stable? You also seem to think remembering someone means it had meaning. Not necessarily, but if it had meaning I'm more likely to remember it. You can have sex with someone remember it and it still not be meaningful. I know, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Irrelevant points man. You asked, I answered. If it's so irrelevant why did you bring it up? But do you. Always. :…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 11:30 PM
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Well all of this is pointless. We're not sitting on Reddit arguing with each other to write a dissertation for our degrees. We don't need to list a bibliography with every comment we make. Nuance is important. There is a middle ground between a doctoral dissertation and arguing about our opinions apropos of nothing. You can give stats but they can be interpreted differently. You can link surveys but that's not exactly hard science either. It at least gives a common basis for the discussion thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 11:27 PM
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I think it says I'm a guy who's had a lot of partners. I won't claim to be 100% mentally stable, but it has nothing to do with whether I can remember people I've had sex with. They just aren't necessarily important to me just because I fucked them. There are people I've had sex with that I do remember, because they were important to me for other reasons, but not everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 11:15 PM
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We're on a debate sub, maybe you can explain what you are saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 11:13 PM
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There is data out there about pair bonding. It's been proven. Yet no one seems to ever be able to provide it. Everyone just claims it's out there and they shouldn't need to provide it because "everyone" knows it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 11:11 PM
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Okay, but what about between the girl who has had 8 serious boyfriends, versus the girl who fucked four dudes in a bar bathroom? By TRP logic, the barfly is the better girl for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 11:07 PM
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Yes. Losing $7000 is fairly trivial if you have $100,000. Losing $10 is pretty painful if all you have is $100. That doesn't really correlate to marriage and divorce rates though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 11:04 PM
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Bull. I don't even remember most of the first few people I had sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 10:58 PM
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Anecdata, so take it with a grain of salt, but the only woman I know who got back together with an ex after a divorce got back together with the ex she divorced and they remarried after three years apart. I don't know if it means anything, but it's an interesting (single) data point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 10:57 PM
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What is your definition of "pair bond" that it would render cheating impossible? This part of the problem here (like usual), there's no consistent definition of terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 10:53 PM
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What evidence is there that having multiple bonds weakens them? Is a parent's bond with their child weakened if they have a second child?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 10:50 PM
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Less "unreasonable" and more "pointless in a debate setting", I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 10:49 PM
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I have sympathy for women who try to reject in this way, or advise males in this way Here's where you lost me. You juked from rejection, which we were talking about, to giving advice, which we weren't. Which means that this: The problem is they do so... and try to defend it on the basis of it being the right thing to do being good advice or being something thats somehow good for the man. It's not. ...has nothing to do with anything I've said. I don't believe that advice women give men about dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/18 08:05 PM
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Ah, you're right. My bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/18 06:46 AM
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Decide exactly what it is your version of "ultimate" is then work out the concrete steps to get there. Start small, work up. Defining what "being a man" means for yourself is one of the manliest things you can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 11:03 PM
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The point the reds here make (and I tend to agree with) is that children are very impressionable and believe authority figures. So when an authority figure tells a child "just be yourself and girls will like you" they don't have to be autistic to take this at face value and believe it. I am somewhere on the spectrum myself, and I already understood nuance and context when girls were still "icky" and the last thing I wanted was for them to like me. By the time I actually wanted girls to like me I…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 11:01 PM
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Well that's going on my skiing mix.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 10:53 PM
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Ok the best version of me is lazy and messy Really? Do you believe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 10:27 PM
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Very few people in real life just say "be yourself" and leave it at that. It is phrased in a hundred different ways, presented as a theme or moral in myriad media, and it is presented as general life advice, not just dating advice. It seems to only be TRPs and Incels that saw all of these different messages and what they got from it is "be yourself and girls will like you" with no other context or clarification. When Blues say "No it means this whole other thing" it's because we assume you are u…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 09:53 PM
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One person't "direct" is another person's "rude", and then throw in context and biases and what an individual might see as "refreshingly honest" from one person they might take as a personal attack coming from someone else. In turn a given person might respond to a perceived personal attack by laughing it off, or they might get aggressive or even violent. The issue is that you usually can't tell those people apart until you get to know them better. Psychos who can't hide it don't stay in society…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 08:57 PM
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Or they don't want to because they are worried you might respond with violence if they're too overt. That's something women keep bringing up, if anything it is the most common explanation, and yet it seems like so many guys just ignore it. We can debate all day whether it is a justified fear, but that is secondary to the point that most women seem to feel it, and it is a major driver in many male-female social interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 07:41 PM
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So what’s deal those times girls have started crying, running after me or calling me up after I said good bye, since I rejected them for friendship after they rejected me for sex/romance? Humans are not especially rational, doubly so when it comes to matters of the heart. Some humans especially so. That's not a problem with communication style, that's a problem with the girls you're trying to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 07:34 PM
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Yeah, if two people are trying to communicate and there is a disconnect, (assuming good faith) both of them have failed, both are at fault. This is especially true in non-verbal communication, because unlike verbal language there is no standardization of meanings and miscommunication is easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 07:31 PM
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Female counterpart to Chad. A stand-in for the TRP-stereotypical "popular girl" or "hot girl" archetype. If AWALT was literally true, all women would be Becky.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 07:25 PM
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No one owes you an explanation, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with wanting or appreciating or even asking for one. It just beans you shouldn't be an ass about it if you don't get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 06:23 PM
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I mean, I'm not, but society does, yeah. It's a real problem with toxic vehicularity that cars are shamed or deemed less of an automobile if they don't have a driver. I like to think I'm a Subaru (most people think they look alright and some people think they look great, but they're really fun to drive) so I'm sympathetic. We're stretching the metaphor a bit, but I think it's holding up okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/18 02:12 PM
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There is no reason for a good looking person to be dumb, but it's possible they might not try as hard because they are cut more slack by society. Same with sex, they're not inherently bad at sex, but experience has taught them they don't necessarily need to be. That doesn't mean all good looking people are bad at sex or less good looking people are good, just that it is more likely that someone who is better looking (and is aware of it) won't try as hard because they don't need to compensate for…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/18 02:03 PM
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Why is this topic even in PPD. It sounds like a discussion that belongs in the TRP or MRP subs. It's not a debate, there's no pill-color-oriented disagreement about it. I get that it's a CMV, but shouldn't that still have something to do with RP vs BP philosophies to be in here? I dunno, maybe I'm wrong. It's not offensive or bad, it just seems out of place.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 11:06 PM
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Yeah, but she also thought you were bad enough to divorce, and that was more recent, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 11:03 PM
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Hell if you're in your late 30's, single, and can afford a car and an apartment you can easily get casual sex without lying. You just need to have a good personality and reasonable standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 11:01 PM
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Sure. I fuck for fun, I'd be happy to fuck for science.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 10:43 PM
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Because they don't think they need to be. Same reason guys with big dicks are frequently bad in bed. We men get a lot of bad information about what being good at sex is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 08:23 PM
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If you were going to buy a car and you thought all cars handle about the same, you're going to go with the one that looks best. Once you've had a chance to drive a few and start realizing that some cars handle a lot better than others, you start paying more attention to the handling. You might even start looking for indicators of how well a car will handle before you drive it, indicators that you didn't even know existed when you started driving.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 08:20 PM
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*A wretched troll with massive outlier wealth Soon...Frank from Always Sunny?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/18 01:24 AM
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Depends on where you live. Where I'm at that would let afford you a room in a house with four other people in the bad suburb an hour from the city.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/18 01:22 AM
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Thank you, I hadn't seen that before. I'll save that link for next time such a argument comes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 03:13 PM
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My bad, I didn't look at her post history.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 03:12 PM
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She's a woman, but not a bloop. She has no flair, and I don't see her self-identifying as blue pill anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 06:41 AM
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So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 06:40 AM
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We want you guys to come up with a consistent definition for "alpha", "AWALT", "Blue Pill", etc. If you all agree on it, I will happily use that definition no matter what it is because I come here for conversations, and arguments about definitions derail that. Every time I see "Chad" and I assume it means what the last five TRP's I talked to meant, and it turns out it means something totally different to this person, but they swear their's is the one and only correct definition and everyone will…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 03:33 AM
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when you tell men like that to just "be themselves," you're telling them to give in and follow their default internal values and beliefs regardless of the outcome. No...no I'm not. No one is. If they're taking it that way, there has been a serious miscommunication. "i really like to rat junkfood" and "i don't want to go to the gym" are not values. They're not interests. "other people will also greatly enjoy very dry, nerdy discussions of esoteric concepts regardless of the social context" and "i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 03:11 AM
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I come and go like a tumbleweed or a merry sunbeam. I probably missed it. Which is fine, because I missed the meme too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 02:58 AM
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There are things in TRP teachings that could actually make women less safe. Not like, less safe from criticism, but less safe from violence or rape. Not that all TRPers are a danger to women, but there are problematic teachings that could encourage some men to those actions. It would make sense, in that case, to hope more men don't find TRP. Especially if you don't feel that it is particularly beneficial so there is really nothing to weigh that against. Not that I would call for TRP to be shut d…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 02:56 AM
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I suspect that if those things didn't exist you'd start on some of the softer stuff until you got it down to current blue pill advice Believe me or don't. You asked a question, I answered. Why do you think I would bother lying? which a number of us have already proved to be of extremely limited utility. Blues say it doesn't exist, and Reds can't even seem to agree on what it means much less prove anything about it. Just admit that you dislike the whole idea of a male sexual strategy I am a man a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 11:27 PM
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Consensus doesn't mean everyone agrees, but it means no one disagrees. It means every vote is either "Yes" or "abstain", if there is one "No" or "Disagree" it is not consensus. Yeah. A whole sub devoted to "sitting in the bleachers and laughing at the poor un-coordinated non-natural athletes trying to better themselves. Mocking the differently abled". Not mocking them for failing or for trying to get better, mocking them for making stupid pronouncements about tracks, or telling far-fetched stori…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 11:07 PM
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Round here everyone has a different definition of "bloop" which may or may not be the same as BP or Blue Pill which everyone also has their own definitions of. Us Blues have been trying for a very long time to get you Reds to agree on a consistent definition of a lot of terms, bloop included, and there still is no consensus among you all. At best it wastes time because we have to figure out what definition the person we're talking to is intending, and at worst it causes communication to break do…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 10:50 PM
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let's imagine a guy, and his most natural self includes being an out of shape, awkward incel weirdo. Except the only one of those which is part of his "self" is (may be) the poorly defined "weirdo". "Out of shape", "awkward" and "incel" are attributes that are external to the self. "Be yourself" means stay who you are inside, don't compromise your deeply held values and interests that make you who you are. It doesn't mean "don't lose weight" or "don't learn how to socialize". and his primary sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 10:42 PM
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RP advice is like having an Olympic level coach and training team. We don’t just say “Run faster, dude”. But for some reason the coach and training team also have a deep distrust and disrespect for race tracks and they insist that you have to distrust tracks too, and that mistrust of the track is deeply ingrained into all of their training. In fact, half of the training is about distrusting and disrespecting the track and not actually about running. Oh, and half the training team actually doesn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 10:29 PM
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Sometimes. Sometimes it's "everyone who isn't Red Pill". Sometimes it's "feminists and cucks". Sometimes it's "people who read the Blue Pill subreddit". And sometimes it's one of a hundred other definitions that no one on the TRP side can seem to agree on, just like half of all RP concepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 10:19 PM
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I'd say believe with caution and a sort of side-eyed skepticism. Do you have the same philosophy with other men? Or do you distrust women more than men (or trust men more than women, however you want to phrase it) in general? Or do you just approach the whole world this way? However, If it is reasonable and supported by various social studies, then I believe it. Studies and statistics only tell you general information about a population and have nothing to do with the preferences or actions of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 10:08 PM
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Do you really think bloopers would suddenly be singing the praises of RP if it didnt have AWALT and dread game? I don't know about "singing the praises", but most of us wouldn't have a problem with it at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 10:04 PM
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I don't know if I'd phrase it like that, but I agree with the sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 06:33 PM
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The new guy has been sharing her with her primary, if he's been okay with that long enough to form a new relationship he's also wired open/poly. It's unlikely she would get a monogamous relationship with the new guy. Generally when a woman leaves an open or poly relationship for a new partner the new relationship is also open or poly. The only time I've seen a woman leave an open or poly relationship and get into a monogamous one she has been single in between and then met someone new who is alr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 06:32 PM
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Tried being someone's one and only? Yes, several times. I am a supporter by nature, but I just can't do it full time. This works for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 12:33 AM
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In general, humans...aren't always smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 06:11 PM
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I don't want to be anyone's sole source of support or social interaction, or financial or emotional wellbeing. That's why I'm solo-poly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 06:07 PM
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Everyone knows the best way to find a relationship is an extended land war and siege.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 06:02 PM
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I felt this way for a long time too. Ultimately I realized the reason I wasn't just naturally picking up how to be a man is that I wasn't paying attention to other men. I didn't know how to dance like a man because I wasn't watching other men when I went out dancing. I didn't know how to dress like a man because I didn't pay attention to how other men dressed. I didn't care about other men because I am a straight man and other men simply weren't interesting to me once I discovered women. When I …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 08:43 PM
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I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was just expressing my opinion as to why both marriage and divorce rates are falling. Do you have data on cohabitation rates versus previous generations? I am happy to look it up but if you already have numbers that's easier. You're probably right, there are probably more single people now than in the past too, but I think there are probably more people who are happy (or at least content) being single as well. A lot of the stigma of singledom has gone away along …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 08:26 PM
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Luckily I don't give a shit what you think of me, and no one else should either. I'm content to vape my "sciencey" 98% THC oil and purr, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 05:53 PM
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I...I don't even know where to begin to respond to this. Pot is masculine? Weed is "extreme" anything? (Much less destruction?) The intellectual middle class is trying to hijack it and make it science just like everything else they've touched. What? "blah blah blah" is not fun. Being high is fun. That's why people do it. What do you care as to how they go about it? Do you just have something against being responsible? Your post is making me giggle and I'm not even high right now. I can barely pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 05:39 PM
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Society is more sex positive, there is less shame and less punishment for engaging in sex and drug use, kids are openly talking to each other and their parents about it... ...but the moment an anonymous poll asks them about it they lie, and lie more than any previous generation despite facing less social pressure. Sure, that's the most likely explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 04:27 PM
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There is less of a need to marry, so the people who are getting married are doing it because they want to more often. It's unsurprising that the divorce rate would also go down.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 04:06 PM
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If you're going to do something fun, why not do it the most enjoyable way available?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 04:03 PM
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Yeah, the older I get the more my dad's friends open up and share previously untold stories about when he was my age. My brother and I are more like him than we ever realized, lol!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 04:00 PM
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I have several FWBs and I could get laid seven nights a week if I wanted...but it's exhausting -- physically and mentally -- and time consuming. Some nights I'd rather just stay home alone and chill and splooge into a trash can.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 06:53 PM
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Yeah, I live in the liberal PNW so its less of an issue around here, but there are still hate crimes, assaults and murders of gay and trans folks even in places like Seattle. There is still discrimination and opposition. There's still a long way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 03:45 PM
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Exactly. That's part of why I chose that example. For centuries being left handed was seen as wrong and evil and some of that stigma still exists today. That doesn't mean it is anything but completely normal to be left handed. The difference between that and being gay is most people realized they were being ridiculous and speed caring and lefties didn't have to hold marches and rallies to end the discrimination against them. Homosexuality is getting there, and someday it will be exactly as big a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 12:02 AM
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So anything that isn't the majority isn't normal in your eyes? Does that mean blue eyes, blond hair, or being left handed are also not normal? People make a big deal about being gay because of religion, not some sense of "not-normalcy". There are plenty of cultures throughout history in which homosexuality or even trans-sexuality simply wasn't an issue anyone cared about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 07:43 PM
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So is homosexuality. Next?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 07:27 PM
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Yeah, the moment this argument comes up in a discussion I just stop responding. It's an indicator that the person cares more about "winning" the conversation than actually discussing anything. Besides, if we can't agree on a shared language, there's no point in trying to talk about anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 05:39 PM
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Do you want to throw the parents in the death camps or the trans kids they are being supportive of? Or both? Just curious. What about hetero people who don't keep it "behind closed doors"? Camp for them too? Or just gays and children? The discrimination came first, marches were a response to the anti-gay discrimination that has existed for centuries, did gay people "earn" that discrimination too? Or do they only deserve it now that they are pushing back?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 04:50 PM
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Nah. If you can't be bothered to point it out I can't be bothered to address it or apologize for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 11:13 PM
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I don't believe I have called you anything except "snippy" (which was more of a comment on how you were communicating than calling you a name anyway). If the goal wasn't to be hurtful, why would you call me a "a little emo collectivist pussy"? That doesn't make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 11:05 PM
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Little? Nah. Emo? I wish I was skinny enough to pull off that style. Collectivist? Sure, I'll own that. Pussy? I like pussies. That's not an insult. That was dismissive, but not really insulting. You're going to have to try harder to be either witty or hurtful. So where did I call you names? I try very hard to be civil until someone is an unjustified asshole to me first and if I was rude without cause I'd be happy to apologize.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 10:32 PM
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Jibbers, dude. No need to get snippy. Are you just sad that no one is agreeing with you? Or did you realize you completely missed the point and need to attack someone to feel better? It's cool, I can take it. Flail away.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 10:11 PM
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It's not my place to judge. I'll just say her feminism and my feminism are very different. Just because a feminist, even a "hardcore" feminist (whatever that means) says or believes something doesn't mean that's "feminism". It sounds like she knows her preference for non-feminist men is not in line with her feminist philosophy, which is fine, we all have our fetishes. I'm not even going to address your opinions about women, they're clearly deeply ingrained.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 10:07 PM
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I can't say I've ever seen this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 10:00 PM
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I could also pound a nail through my dick and wave it at my boss.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 09:20 PM
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Even if he's straight he's showing zero interest in her except as a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 09:08 PM
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No self-respecting man should spend time with a girl that does not recognize him as a sexual being. Yeah, makes sense. Humans in general are sexual beings, and recognizing that is part of recognizing and respecting each others' human-- I can be friends with women, sure, but they better be facilitating sexual access to their girlfriends, one way or another. Lol, never mind, you're a creep who doesn't know what "friends" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 09:03 PM
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Bullshit. Weirdly enough most men are able to interact with women as human beings whether they are sexually interested or not. We can even be friendly with women we're not interested in. On the flip side we can also be friendly with women we are interested in without thinking it's a budding romance. Some men have a problem with these things, but NAMALT, eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 08:59 PM
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Well that's two minutes of my life wasted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 07:26 PM
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Probably, but it gave me a chance to share my theory, so it's all good. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 06:51 PM
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Wearing makeup is worse than lying to someone to get them into bed?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 06:37 PM
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Okay, that's your definition, but it certainly isn't most people's.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 06:37 PM
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having a quasi-relationship with a woman, eventually leading to a sexual one and then dumping her when he realizes they are incompatible for whatever reason. That...isn't "casual sex". That's a relationship. A relationship that ended.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 05:56 PM
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From my perspective, men generally take great pride in being good in bed. Women are under a lot of pressure to reassure men they are good in bed even if they're not, because... It's tied to their masculine identity ...which means men tend to react very negatively to any hint of negativity around it. Which in turn means they have no pressure or motivation to get better. Most men would benefit from being with a slutty, experienced, assertive woman early in their sexual careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 05:53 PM
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According to the sluttiest women I know men with big dicks (or who think they have big dicks) are worse in bed, on average. My working theory is that guys who have big dicks rely on them too much, and frankly it doesn't matter how hung you are your dick alone does not satisfy 95% of women. It requires a lot of technique and attention to really get most women off, and men who aren't confident in their dicks are more likely to learn these things to try to compensate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 05:51 PM
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If the feeling were real and the relationship ended anyway because the sex was bad (or another reason) there was no deception and the guy didn't do anything wrong. That doesn't mean there won't be bad feelings, just that he's not an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 05:42 PM
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What begins as hanging out, may slide into spending the night, which slides into moving in together, and can even sometimes slide into marriage. In the poly community that is known as the "relationship escalator". As long as you keep spending time with someone, the escalator will keep going up and the relationship will progress along the defined path and if it ends you start over at the bottom on another escalator with someone else. It's the default narrative in society, you can't blame anyone f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 05:40 PM
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but to make things equal... women use deceptive strategies to apppear prettier than they are. That... isn't equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 05:29 PM
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Problem is the good guys who don't do this don't get rewarded with sexual or romantic attention. I do :D Why wouldn't they be critical of women for offering sex easily to men who exhibit Machiavellian traits? Because it's hypocritical and stupid? Why should a guy offer commitment when he gets friendzoned repeatedly for being nice and trying to be good boyfriend material? Because commitment is what he wants. If he doesn't want commitment, then there's no reason to care. Until women 'reward' nicer…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 05:28 PM
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Q4All: What alternative do men have today? I have casual sex and I make it clear up front that is all it is. My dating profiles make it clear up front I'm not looking for a relationship, and I clearly state it on the first date long before sex if I'm seeing someone. I have several FWBs, and they all know that is all it will ever be as well, although if we stop fucking we'll still be friends. I have had women specifically recommend me to their friends as a good option for a rebound fling or hooku…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 05:20 PM
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Your point was that it is "feminist approved dating advice" which you seem to have stopped trying to defend.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 03:18 PM
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Why? I'm not taking issue with your assertion that women can feel used after sex (although if a lot of them are feeling that way you're obviously doing something wrong). And yes, the discussion is framed around telling men to ask women for consent, that's because culturally and naturally men tend to be the active party more often, and statistically are more likely to not get consent. We can argue if those statistics are wrong (we probably would agree they are) but they're the only hard data ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 03:10 PM
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It’s feminist approved dating advice. I think it’s reasonable to say that. Why is it reasonable to say that? It is feminist approved certainly, but it isn't "advice" and it's less about "dating" and more about sex. And in action, it does not apply to both genders. When it is being applied correctly it does, but the world isn't perfect. Men don’t have regretful sex like women do. I’ve never heard of a man feel “used” for his body. Men don’t find sex devaluing to themselves. AMALT, right? So in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 02:44 PM
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I would say specific people on both sides do it a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 02:34 PM
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So not "watching what she does" so much as "interpreting everything to fit my narrative".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 02:33 PM
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That's...that's not what "dominant" means. That's not even what "dominant" means to TRP. "Dominant" is an attitude or a personality trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 10:21 PM
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First, wealth and status =/= dominant, in the bedroom or in general. Second, dominant =/= domineering or aggressive or especially manipulative. Third, your "observations on the dating market"? Really? How many other people's relationships have you studied? What is your methodology? Why should anyone trust your observations at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 09:15 PM
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I'm sorry you didn't feel comfortable addressing the scenario as presented and needed to ignore the point so that you could comment on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 09:05 PM
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Affirmative consent is not "feminist dating advice". It is a proposed change to the legal and colloquial definition of consent. It also applies to both parties regardless of gender, it isn't the man who is required to get consent, it is the person who is taking the action. I will grant you that it is not being marketed very well though. While rape would be considered "un-feminist." Yeah...rape is un-a-lot-of-things. It's un-legal, un-moral, un-ethical... Calling it "un-feminist" specifically is …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 09:01 PM
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Ah, right. I forgot the first rule of TRP: If it doesn't fit your worldview, just change the premise until it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 08:52 PM
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You believe this, you have built an entire worldview on this assumption, but it just isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 08:51 PM
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Acting like a man is not abuse. I agree. That isn't how I would describe RP's advice regarding keeping a SAHM though. Women who willingly choose this role also might not choose that role if she was a multi-billionaire herself. So to some extent, the environment and the man in question is coercing a woman into that submissive role just by existing. If it is something she wants to do, she'd choose it regardless. Plenty of rich and powerful women do choose to be sexually submissive. If she is only …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 08:31 PM
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I'm working backwards from a starting point on what most feminists or women consider "un-feminist" I am highlighting dating strategies that feminists consider "unfeminist" So which is it? Are you trying to work out something else, or just highlight the ideas? because what women consider "unfeminist" seems to be more consistent throughout the many branches of feminism. Not really no. That's one of the major points of disagreement between the two main branches of feminism (second wave/radical vs t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 08:21 PM
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So if she says it turned her on, but doesn't go on another date with him, we should take away that women aren't actually attracted to jerks or domineering men, right? Because AWALT?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 07:27 PM
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You're starting from a flawed premise that "what most feminists or women" think is what defines feminism is to begin with, and further that understanding that would tell you anything about "feminist approved dating advice". Beyond that, there is no way you're going to get a clear answer anyway by posting the questions in PPD. There are several flavors of feminism represented just on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 07:22 PM
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If she willingly chooses to be my little submissive in all aspects of life, why can't she? If she chooses to be, of her own free will, there is nothing unfeminist about it. The thing that RP promotes that is antifeminist is using manipulation and abusive tactics to convince a woman who might otherwise not choose that to take on that role regardless. A women freely choosing it is totally different from a woman being coerced into "choosing" it. Context is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 06:57 PM
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No one cares what Bloops actually say. It's much more important what the caricatures of Bloops TRP invents say.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 05:28 PM
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I would beg to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 02:03 PM
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No, that's the point of the sub. Nice GuysTM are funny. Actual nice guys aren't (or not in that way).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 06:28 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/niceguys/comments/83j3m4/met_him_at_a_convention_3_years_ago/ https://imgur.com/a/bTDj8
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 12:49 AM
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um ya rilly
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 09:14 PM
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These things I don't like are exactly how I picture them in my head, and don't try to tell me different just because you actually know. And then they complain that BPs misrepresent TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 08:35 PM
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Fair enough, I misread "there is obvious apologist rhetoric" as "this is obvious apologist rhetoric". My bad. It's off topic to try and make this about who gets more sympathy or in what circumstances. This is (was?) a discussion of what sort of content ends up being mocked on r/niceguys and why, and you have totally lost that point. As far as sympathy goes, most people have sympathy for men who are rejected as women who are rejected, before and after sex, because most people understand it sucks …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 08:32 PM
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Yeah, plenty of examples of a woman giving a clear but polite rejection and getting a torrent of hate in response. Or just not replying to a message for a few hours because they're at work or something, that's enough to set some guys off. That's the sort of content that gets upvoted on r/niceguys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 08:20 PM
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Apologist rhetoric? I haven't said anything apologist about anything. You're reading things into my comments that aren't there. This has nothing to do with complaining about the friendzone or the fuckzone. It's about being an asshole. Just complaining about the friendzone by itself wouldn't even move the needle on r/niceguys. In fact, the entire concept of the friendzone is only peripherally related, I'd say 80%+ of the posts don't have anything to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 08:02 PM
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It's not okay for women to be assholes either. Being an asshole because you were rejected after sex and feel used isn't what r/niceguys is about though. It wouldn't belong on that sub. It does feature NiceGirlsTM when they come up, but only when they fit the theme of the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 07:17 PM
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Being frustrated is fine. Someone who expresses their frustration by taking it out on someone else, especially someone else whose only "crime" was not reciprocating their affections, is an asshole. I don't care if it's their first rejection of fiftieth, that doesn't justify taking it out on someone else, especially when they are trying to not be rude or hurtful about it. And clearly you have not read much on the actual r/niceguys sub if you think "frustrated at being rejected" is all it takes to…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 07:02 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_movements_and_ideologies http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+is+feminism%3F r/askfeminists
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 06:30 PM
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If you want to understand there are a wealth or resources out there for you. It takes almost no effort if you actually care to learn, no matter what style of learning is most effective for you there are plenty of opportunities to learn what the major types of feminism are and what they believe in.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 06:17 PM
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There was a philosophical basis for it, but it largely went out of style with the Second Wave. These days SNeRFs (Sex-Negative Radical Feminists) are considered pretty fringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 06:12 PM
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95% of the contact on r/niceguys are chats where the guy starts out being nice (sometimes awkwardly, sometimes not) and then changes tone when they are either rejected or just don't get an answer for too long and start calling the woman names, insulting women as a whole, or otherwise show that they aren't really nice. It's not just guys trying to "play a long game". If you aren't an asshole, you don't end up on r/niceguys, simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 06:09 PM
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You didn't say "there has been cases of medical complications during some procedure", I would never have argued with that. You brought up a specific medical complication: Plus, while rare, sometimes something goes wrong and they cut the whole thing off. And I literally had never heard of that happening (not that it never has, just that I had never heard of it, which leads me to believe it is exceedingly rare). You told me to Google it and I did, and I found one example of that specific complicat…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 05:25 PM
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google some pictures of a man with foreskin with the head showing. Yeah...no. I'm at work. note how healthy and supple it looks then compare it to your shriveled dry dick. You can just fuck right off and die. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 04:53 PM
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That kool-aid tastes so sweet doesn't it? If you truly believe it does no harm or the risks outweigh the 'benefits' you, like most men and women, don't understand the true anatomy of the human penis. And yes I will tell you about how much research you've done because its obvious that its only been the type for confirmation bias. Being a condescending dick (no pun intended) doesn't make me want to listen to you. It is a massive dragon to not only confront but slay when recognizing one's parents h…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 04:45 PM
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You told me to Google it and I did. I didn't even throw it back at you and tell you to do your own damn research to support your argument. I could only find one case of what you described. I asked you to provide sources if you have them because I'm willing to consider them. How is that obtuse? I'm not committed on this issue, I have an opinion but I'm willing to change my mind. Responses like yours just tell me you're not someone worth listening to though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 11:37 PM
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No. Do you have any data that shows how it varies? Do you really need me to provide data to prove that different people's bodies are different? If we can't agree on something as basic as that, there's no point in having any conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 11:30 PM
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Lol, no, I have no idea how long you have to go without cleaning before visible smegma forms. How the hell would I know that? I know how long I...wait, no, I don't even have to worry about it because I'm circumcised. It probably varies from person to person anyway, so your experience may or may not be normal. Do you have any data that shows whether it is or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 11:06 PM
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Oh please, tell me some more about how much research I did or didn't do. It makes me trust your authority on other points so much. And my experience isn't a smokescreen, it's my experience. No more or less important than anyone else's, and the only experience I can speak for with 100% authority. I'm with you in general on bodily autonomy, but there is a compromise of that with very small children who have not yet gained ability to exercise that autonomy. Until a certain age, a child's "autonomy"…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 10:57 PM
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I have no experience with it so I'll trust you that it is easier than I think, but if it's that easy why is smegma such a well known thing? And no, not everyone is a Red Dwarf fan.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 10:29 PM
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I Googled it and found lots of reports of the same single incident, but I can only find the one incident. It looks like there has been exactly one death caused by a botched neonatal circumcision in all of North America in the last 20 years too (it was in Canada). There have also been seven cases of accidental amputation of the glans, and in six of those it was able to be reattached successfully. No one has ever claimed there is no risk associated with the procedure, but when done in a hospital s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 10:27 PM
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The overwhelming majority of men, both cut and uncut, really don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 08:24 PM
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Yeah, unless something (usually something from outside) causes it to go wrong, a vagina will keep itself clean. Meanwhile I see the gunk that builds up under my fingernails and behind my ears in a matter of hours after a shower and shudder to imagine having an extra fold of skin on my junk to build up grossness under.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 08:21 PM
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I can say with confidence, because I know myself, if I wasn't circumcised I would suffer because I'm lazy and I wouldn't always take care of it as well as I should. This was even more true when I was a kid. That doesn't make me retarded, it makes me a pretty normal guy. I like my circumcision if for no reason other than it makes my everyday life (and sex life) easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 08:14 PM
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Maybe mine was done weird but I'm pretty sure I still have a frenulum, it just isn't connected to anything. It's just a ridge of skin, and it is nicely sensitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 08:08 PM
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I've literally never heard of that happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 07:57 PM
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I was circumcised, and I like being circumcised. I'm not going to say it's right for everyone, but male circumcision is very, very different from what is usually referred to as "female circumcision", and that is the main reason one gets more attention than the other from activists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 07:54 PM
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I mean...yes? Was that supposed to be an argument? It seems awfully aggressive for just a wordy way of telling me you agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 12:11 AM
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You'd have to specify a particular fire department, as each municipality has its own and they each do their own hiring and firing, and then I'd have to do extensive research to determine if I even think that fire department has a gender bias, and even then it would only be my opinion, and it wouldn't convince you of anything anyway. I don't have time to argue with someone who only seems to want to tell me what I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 12:10 AM
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Feminists don't make a big issue out of men being hired over women in general. What feminists take issue with is when it happens often enough to demonstrate systemic gender biases in an industry or company. Nuance. It's important.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 08:24 PM
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No we don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 07:18 PM
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Disagreement is not equivalent to insult. I agree. Disagreement can be expressed in a way that is insulting though, and a particular disagreement can be insulting. For example if you asserted that you don't fuck goats and I disagreed with you, that would be insulting to you even though disagreement is not the same as an insult. He didn’t personally attack anyone. True, he attacked an entire demographic, to which many of his coworkers belonged. I don't see how that makes it better. He wrote a mem…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 06:28 PM
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He was fired because of his opinions expressed in the memo that disparaged his coworkers and attacked the company he worked for. Supporting his opinions with research didn't change the fact that he was insulting his employer, his employer's policies, and other employees, which is what he was fired for. If I wrote a memo calling my boss a douchenozzle and then supported that assertion with sources, I would probably get fired, but saying I got fired for citing controversial research would be disin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 06:10 PM
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That's not what he was fired for, and his memo didn't "simply point [that] out".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 05:58 PM
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There's nothing wrong with hiring a man who can cut down 100 trees over a woman who can cut down 80. The problem comes from the assumption that all men are better than all women at logging, leading to the company hiring the man who can cut down 70 over the woman who can cut down 80. It becomes even more complicated in professions where aptitude is not as easily quantified because it becomes harder to identify and separate biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 05:55 PM
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It would be more common if there was a greater demand for it, but there isn't. There simply aren't masses of single men desperate to have babies, especially not without the fun of making them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 05:47 PM
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I am a dude, dude. And why does anyone name any relationship? The line between FWB and open relationship is broad and blurry and every couple defines it for themselves. Giving it one label or the other is shorthand, a way for the couple to refer to their particular set of rules and expectations. If they're talking to anyone else, the terms are necessarily broad. There's no standard shared definition for either term, just vague generalities. The biggest difference seems to be one of commitment an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 02:01 AM
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That comes down to the difference between an "open relationship" and "polyamory". An open relationship (usually) is similar to a more traditional monogamous relationship, just without sexual exclusivity, so there's no need for terms like primary and secondary. In a sense, the partner is already assumed to be primary, and everyone else is secondary by definition. Polyamory involves actually having committed relationships with multiple people, so poly relationships can use "primary" and "secondary…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 06:13 PM
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One of my self imposed rules is that if she doesn't have a bio, that's an automatic left.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 02:36 PM
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Maybe the preacher? Lol, right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 02:31 PM
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Friends with benefits is a type of relationship. There's less emotional support and responsibility though, and usually a less strong commitment. Just because there isn't sexual, or even emotional, exclusivity I an open romantic relationship, doesn't mean there isn't a structure and commitment that elevates it beyond a FWB relationship. Everyone has their own definitions, too. Monogamous relationships have a lot of "defaults" that are set by society, and open relationships and polyamory don't hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 07:15 AM
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It's a good idea for any guy who wants one, and not for guys that don't. Simple as that. If you're wired for it, do it. If you're not, don't try, you'll only be miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 01:16 AM
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If sexual exclusivity is the entire basis of your relationship, that doesn't seem like a very healthy or fulfilling relationship. As far as I'm concerned the most important things in a relationship are companionship, emotional support and shared interests. Sexuality is important too, but an agreement on sexual exclusivity (or not) should be part of the structure of the relationship, not the reason for it. It's peripheral, the same way as agreeing on a color to paint the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 01:12 AM
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Attraction doesn't necessarily mean DTF, even for guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 04:18 AM
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I have a theory on this subject, after extensive research involving casual sex with many women: Maybe they're changing their minds. No, no, hear me out. I'm serious. Women change their minds all the time, right? People in general do, about everything, except whether they're going to have sex with someone. That is set in stone and unevolving...or so we thought! As it turns out, people, including women, can change their minds about having sex! They can even do it in a single evening sometimes! It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 12:31 AM
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But alphas rarely take "no" as an answer. Which helps explain why such a large percentage of the prison populations are Alphas.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 12:22 AM
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Yes, it literally is communicating two related-but-distinct concepts in a single "message". Language works that way, if that confuses you I don't know how you operate in society. That isn't what is typically meant by the phrase "mixed message" though. I don't think it qualifies under the more common colloquial meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 12:18 AM
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What a weird hypothetical scenario. There is no information given and yet people are expected to make a moral judgement, it's stupid. If he wasn't attracted to her why did he date/matty her to begin with? Is the marriage happy? Does the wife work? Do they have kids? Is the only reason he's divorcing her that he is making more money? Guy breaking up with his girlfriend/wife after becoming a doctor is a common example. I literally haven't heard of this outside of soap operas and Lifetime movies. L…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 10:34 PM
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I am sure someone will care if and when it becomes public knowledge on social media... Right, so friends, family, randos that FB decided he should be friends with. Maybe his wife's 127 Instagram followers. ...television, radio, newspapers, etc. Wait...who is this hypothetical guy? You know what I am talking abut, skippy? No one knows what you're talking about, hoss.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 10:23 PM
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99% of the American public uses this definition. No one calls dart players athletes. Let's be real here please. Okay, but what about skiers? Surfers? Runners? Swimmers? A million other sports I could name? None of these people are "athletes" according to your definition either and that's just stupid. I don't think 99% of Americans only consider basketball, football, baseball and hockey players athletes. Yea so 6'1.5" is much more than 2% taller than the average male in the US. You're right, I re…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 11:44 PM
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Yes it does because White men are significantly taller than their Asian counterparts. You're making a whole lot of assumptions and leaps of logic to reach your conclusion from that premise. I don't see how it logically follows from the "evidence" to your assertion. Another example is the "once you go black you don't go back" phrase. Women who start being with black men prefer bigger dicks than they did before. Oh, so colloquial expressions are evidence now? And even if it's actually true and not…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 11:41 PM
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That still has nothing to do with whether a woman being exposed to a taller man becomes less attracted to men of average height, or whether a man being exposed to a woman with bigger boobs is still equally attracted to women with smaller boobs. Your core assertions are that women's attraction is comparative, and men's attraction isn't. Even if every anecdote and every study you have brought up are true, none of them address these assertions in the first place..
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 11:22 PM
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"Athlete" only realistically refers to high earning mass publicity sports. If you're going to use a definition different from everyone else, you really should let people know. As far as the heights of football players, I said it varied by position and it does.. (Apparently running backs, safeties, and corner backs tend to be the shortest and lightest, I didn't know that until I looked this up.) In a sport where there is a benefit to being big it would make sense that many of the players are tall…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 11:09 PM
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Male sexuality is more absolute. They have an ideal breast size, a certain hip/weight ratio, etc. This is delusional, even for this sub. I don't even have the same ideal "type" as myself from 15 years ago, much less as every other man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 10:28 PM
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Therefore if a study does say this thing that no study will say I will ignore that study because it is saying something it isn't supposed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 10:13 PM
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What is the difference between "very confident" and "over-confident"? What defines the line? I've always understood it to be where it becomes obnoxious and starts pushing people away, but that can't be the definition you are using.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 10:10 PM
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The vast majority of athletes are tall Do you have some basis for this assertion? Or are you just assuming it's true because it helps your argument? There are some sports where height matters (basketball, crew, some track and field events, some football positions) but in most sports it doesn't. In the sports where height doesn't give a significant advantage, there's no reason to believe the height distribution would be significantly different from the population as a whole. If you want to convin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 10:04 PM
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When women are introduced toward men of more size, muscularity etc, their view of more average men or normal men becomes lesser. While for men, this isn't the case. Neither of these assertions have been supported by anything else you have posted. Even if we take your anecdote and interpretation about your coworker as 100% true that has nothing to do with whether the women in question think less of other men than before they met Tally McTallface.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 09:57 PM
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It's the Deep South of the Pacific Northwest.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 08:43 PM
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Contrary to what D.A.R.E. told you, "people who use drugs" is not a demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 08:40 PM
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I guess there's a line between encouraging/excusing it and being turned on by it (we can't help what turns us on), but I'm still uncomfortable with her position.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 09:37 PM
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Well she states "even if it gets them in trouble." So she likes it when men do non-consensual sexually charged things to women as long as it doesn't cause harm. I'm not the author so I don't know exactly what she means, but an alternate interpretation that I can think of is that "gets them in trouble" means they suffer rejection or look bad or damage their own relationship, or something else that hurts or might hurt the guy without actually harassing or doing other non-consensual things to anyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 09:07 PM
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I'm not the author, so I can't speak for her, but just because she has a fetish, that doesn't mean she think's it's okay or wants it to happen to anyone else. As for sexual fetishes not extending outside the bedroom, I am going to have to disagree with you. If it's consensual and doesn't impose on anyone else I'm fine with fetishes extending into everyday life. You've never heard of 24/7 BDSM? Do you think it is okay for men to be domineering and belittling to women outside the bedroom if that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 07:55 PM
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It's possible to believe in an ideology that doesn't match up with your fetishes. In many cases the dissonance is part of what makes it a turn-on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 07:09 PM
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Q4All: Do men and women learn sex from porn or through their peers or first-hand experience? I think a lot of men learn from porn initially and it's part of why so many of us are so bad at sex when we start out, but if we're open to it we improve with experience, as we learn what works and what doesn't in real life. These days I still sometimes get inspiration from porn, but I know enough to translate what I see into something that will actually work and feel good in practice, and I know which p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 07:08 PM
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If you know the sub exists, identifying as a bper means you acknowledge the link to it and agree with it's stance. r/TheBluePill is a satire sub, it exists solely to make fun of stupidity in the manosphere and has no ideology of its own beyond that, so trying to use it to define what someone believes is silly and pointless. In PPD "Blue Pill" is an identifier that someone is intellectually opposed to the Red Pill ideology, and while there is still no one "Blue Pill ideology" it is approached fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 05:52 PM
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I guess, in the same way that torture generally works on everyone. It's the same basic principle, systematically breaking the victim down so they can be controlled. If you are willing to break someone so that you can manipulate them more easily afterwards, you already are a sociopath though. And it still requires tailoring the technique to the individual person, there's no one algorithm that works on everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 11:30 PM
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I'm a feminist with a username that could be construed as feminine, it's not totally unbelievable. That's why I just correct people and roll with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 09:11 PM
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Dogs. Dogs belong on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 09:05 PM
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The Blue Pill is just a troll sub that doesn't actually offer any helpful advice YES, IT IS. They don't try to disguise or hide that. That is the entire point. Anyone going to r/thebluepill expecting advice or even serious discussion is an idiot, that isn't what the sub is for, and no one pretends it is except RPers who need a strawman to beat up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 08:55 PM
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Flip that question around. Why are there so few successful manipulators? If there was some simple algorithm or some easy set of rules a whole lot more people would be exploiting them. The most powerful forms of manipulation involve inserting your own control points, rather than relying on understanding the person in the first place. Psychopaths and sociopaths tend to be better at it because they don't mind hurting someone to figure out what their particular triggers are or create their own, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 08:12 PM
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I'm a straight male, so I don't think he's suggesting I do anything. As for a women telling a man she doesn't find attractive that no other women will ever find him attractive, beyond being a shitty thing to do it's presumptuous to think she could speak for all other women to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 04:20 PM
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You didn't just say that initially though. A woman could say "I just don't find you attractive" or they could say "I'm not interested in dating you" or just "No thanks", and none of those things would be lies, but you specifically are telling women to be "bitchcunts" about it and I am wondering why. Why do you want them to act like bitches when they otherwise wouldn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 12:32 AM
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in highschool/student contextes. Which is irrelevant to life once you graduate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 12:10 AM
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Just semantics, but a request isn't unreasonable just because the person being asked has a good reason to say no. It can be a reasonable request and it can still be reasonable to decline. In a healthy relationship, both parties understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:50 PM
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Okay, so if she thinks he's ugly, but she isn't a bitch about it, then she isn't a "bitchcunt". Most women don't want to be seen as a bitch. Why do you want women to be bitches?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:40 PM
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as all you women constantly allege, all you women just wanna get married and be wives and mommies. Jibbers, you're even more separated from reality than usual, LC. That isn't true in PPD, Reddit at large, or the big room with the green carpets and the bright light. Feminists don't claim that, women in general don't claim that, hell even traditionalists don't claim that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:37 PM
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as all you women constantly allege, all you women just wanna get married and be wives and mommies. Jibbers, you're even more separated from reality than usual, LC. That isn't true in PPD, Reddit at large, or the big room with the green carpets and the bright light. Feminists don't claim that, women in general don't claim that, hell even traditionalists don't claim that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:36 PM
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I'd actually prefer women let their bitchcunt flags fly proudly. So yes, go ahead and call ugly men ugly. It seems like you are saying that if a woman finds any man unattractive, that makes her a "bitchcunt".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:25 PM
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So it would make sense for feminists active in the movement to advocate the normalization and championing of sluts while subtly demonizing traditional female gender roles like SAHMs. It would make sense to you. It does not make sense when starting from a modern feminist worldview. There is no demonizing of traditional gender roles in current mainstream feminism. That went out of style in the early 90's. There is certainly concern about enforced gender roles, traditional or otherwise, but it's al…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 11:12 PM
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So what you're saying is that Barnes and Noble determines who's in charge of feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 11:01 PM
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Not all women, by any means. I didn't intend to suggest that all women have moved beyond the village of the traditional model, nor all men. Simply that the women who have are by and large happy with that state of affairs, and so am I.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 10:36 AM
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Given that Seth Rogan is the original and still most popular example of a sexy "dad bod", I'm pretty sure most women who say they like dad bods know what they're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 08:27 PM
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So many men in this thread staying categorically that women don't actually like sex. It's really sad. Either they are virgins, or they're just bad at sex, that's no other explanation (I guess they could be in the statistically unlikely situation of only having been with asexual women who hadn't realized it yet, but I doubt it). I don't know a single (non-ace) woman who doesn't enjoy good sex. Being good at sex as a straight man involves more than just proper physical technique, you have to be ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 11:56 PM
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Women are much more likely to employ male escorts than prostitutes. The difference being that an escort is being paid for their company, but they aren't being paid for sex. If they choose to have sex it's because they actually like their employer and want to have sex with them. ...At least that is the reasoning that keeps it legal and (more) socially acceptable. How true it is depends on the escort, but it becomes easier to maintain the illusion of true desire that many woman need.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 11:39 PM
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On the flip side, if they want competent sex that is focused on their needs, their odds go up if they go to a professional. This is why sexual resumes should be a thing. When you are deciding to have a hookup you could exchange papers, maybe check a few references, and decide if that passion is going to be a good fit for the position...or positions. Realistically that wouldn't probably work in a bar setting, but there's no reason it wouldn't work online. Maybe I need to get a designer and a deve…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 11:30 PM
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I'm just saying that for some people it would be miserable regardless of what they did. So for some people "Having kids doesn't have to be miserable" is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 10:21 PM
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Trump? The thrice-married, pornstar-fucking, married-woman-seducing, daughter-lusting, (alleged) rapist who claims he's never asked forgiveness for anything being president is proof that your culture was already long dead, and all that's left is the hate and lust for control wrapped in a mythological "great" past. The world is moving on without you, what we're seeing is the last flailing graps at power of a movement that knows it is being left behind on the garbage heap of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 07:44 PM
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Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't reality. Just because it was created by humans doesn't make it unnatural. Just because it is recent doesn't mean it is ever going away. And humans have been controlling our own reproduction in one way or another for millennia, the only thing that has changed is that it has gotten more reliable and less dangerous as we have moved from pig intestine condoms and herbal abortificiants to latex and pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 07:35 PM
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Half of PPD in a nutshell: So, I ahve not read the article and I am still going to makme a summary of it:
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 07:29 PM
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If you apply for a job and don't get it, are you being "punished" by "businesses"? If you don't win at the roulette table are you being "punished" by "casinos"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 07:27 PM
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If you're going to reference comments made in other posts, especially going back years, maybe you should link to some of them so people know what you're actually talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 07:23 PM
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"Your culture" has left you behind as it adapts to the new reality. There's nothing left of what you want to "preserve". It will never go back to the way you want, because you have an idealized view of a mythical past that never existed in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 07:10 PM
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It would be for me. It would be/is for a lot of people. Pop by r/childfree some time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 07:06 PM
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Yes, because cultures never adapt to changing realities. Gender norms are exactly the same as they were a century ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 07:01 PM
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A lot of jobs that aren't super specialized just require "a degree". They don't care what it is in or what your GPA was, they just require a degree in something. This includes a lot of tech jobs, middle-management, HR. The degree is just shorthand for "I can follow directions and work hard".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 06:56 PM
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I didn't want one, and she didn't need one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 03:19 AM
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That's because libertines generally don't want kids, and the technology exists to make that possible (and has for centuries). It's stupid to judge someone's "success" as a human on a measure they themselves don't care about or follow, and which has no effect until after they are gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 01:34 AM
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On second thought...probably not the only begotten son...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 01:30 AM
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Wilt Chamberlain is one of the great basketball players of all time, and might also be the only begotten son of the God of Promiscuity...the Messiah of Strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 01:28 AM
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I've asked and been turned down and life went on. We were successful FWBs for years (until she fell in love with an awesome guy and we went back to just Fs). I guess it probably helps to not be pushy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 01:21 AM
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It's very black and white red and blue in my experience. Women who are into it really like it (at least with partners they trust, the risk of injury or pain is much higher). Women who are not into it really aren't into it (for example).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 01:18 AM
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As opposed to what? Its not like men are getting threesomes even now with feminism and modern women. I Ann.maybe you need to be more of an awkward-but-confident, geeky, feminist. It seems to work for me. With a traditional wife at least she knows it is her duty to have sex Unenthusiastic duty sex is worse than no sex at all. All of the work with none of the fun or validation. so a man doesn't have to put in the insane amount of effort as men have to today. No, he just has to put in the tradition…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 01:10 AM
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I suppose if your requirement is an even split of genders that narrows it a lot, a lot of hobbies have more men or more women, but that doesn't mean there are none of the other gender, or that you can't meet someone special doing it. I'm not going to just list hobbies that I think are co-ed, that would be a pointless exercise. As for using hobbies to get away from your SO, that's why it's useful to have more than one hobby. Most successful couples have things they do together, and things they do…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 12:56 AM
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That's never been my experience, but then I have sex exclusively with women who want to have sex with me. I guess I can imagine if she didn't want to be there she might not bother moving.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 12:43 AM
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They both say it, so just ignore the group you don't trust and it still is there.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 12:39 AM
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I would say that there are more co-ed hobbies than non, if you limit it to social hobbies. Non-social hobbies aren't going to help you regardless of whether any women do them, unless you count things like attending conventions or the like but that is basically a separate (social) hobby itself. Of all of the people I know who are married or in LTRs, the vast majority met through their hobbies, directly or indirectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 09:50 PM
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Exactly. "a little makeup", not full-on David Bowie. It's mainstream fashionable right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 02:23 AM
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No, I think what you are saying is giving support to her point by being an example of what she's talking about, whether you agree with it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 02:21 AM
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So use a web archive link. Jeebus. You still had to lead their page to take the cap, so you provided them revenue anyway, and now anyone who wants to read the article will have to search for it, increasing its popularity on Google.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 02:20 AM
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Any definition but the actual one, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 10:14 PM
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Okay, I think you're supporting OP's point. You take care of yourself, put in effort to look good, and you get laid. the problem is women say that all that shit is "for them" to "feel sexier " I don't see why that is a problem, to some extent it is. Would you stop working out and dressing nice if you could still get laid? Is that the only reason you do it? Or do you like looking good for yourself too? I think women put it that way because they're trying not to call us shallow, and also probably …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 05:08 PM
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First, that's not "shaming". Second, was screen-capping the headlines really easier than just linking the articles?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 04:56 PM
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It comes and goes, but a little makeup on guys is actually really "in" right now. Many women like it but other guys will still judge you for it, so it requires (and demonstrates) a certain level of confidence, and a willingness to put time and effort into your appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 04:46 PM
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Yeah, I will trust you on who does more shaming of men using sex toys, I don't run in a lot of mainstream circles. I'm only basing my observations on things like mainstream TV "news" stories that occasionally come up, then it's usually the male hosts that seem disgusted while the female hosts are just laughing. No one has a problem with it in sex-pos circles I run in. I think there just needs to be more mainstreaming of it like there has been with vibrators.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 12:30 AM
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Fair points. Even if we just take eligible voters, I never said the people who didn't vote would have voted for Clinton, what matters is they could have voted for Trump and didn't, so we can assume they don't support him enough to vote for him. That still holds up the point that there was no "silent majority" of Trump supporters being ignored by the media. Bottom line: Get a proportional electoral system! I agree!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 12:16 AM
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Maybe, yeah. Vibrators and other womens' sex toys have had decades if not centuries of marketing and social change to make them mainstream and acceptable, and that has been driven almost exclusively by women. Men haven't made that effort to normalize our sex toys. Most people in sex positive communities have no problem with them, but they're not acceptable in the mainstream. I would say I see a whole lot more negativity directed towards the idea by other men than by women, probably because women…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 12:12 AM
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That's called trying to be a salesman. Yes, asking if I'm sure is fine. I left that open when I said "I think". After the second time I say it, it should be clear to any reasonable person that I don't want the damn cake and I'm saying it in a polite way. Let me guess, you think a salesman encouraging people to buy cars who walk in the showroom is a violation of consent too right? Nope. Good strawman though. If he kept pushing after you decided to not buy a car and told him you weren't interested…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 11:29 PM
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They didn't support Trump enough to vote for him. I'm not making an assumption about their opinions beyond that. Show me where 20% of CNN articles showed support for Trump. That's not how it works. 100% of articles showed that Clinton had more support...which she did. 2% more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 11:21 PM
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What is radical about that? If a waiter bring the desert cart by my table and I say "I don't think I should have chocolate cake", would it make sense for the waiter to give me the chocolate cake? Even though I just ate a steak? What if he says "I think it will be fine" and tries to give me the cake, and I say it again?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:59 PM
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That CNN article was written before they even finished counting all the votes. http://time.com/4608555/hillary-clinton-popular-vote-final/ When all the ballots were counted Clinton beat Trump in the popular vote by well over 2 million votes. 65.8 million to 62.9 million. That's a difference of 2.1%, not 0.2%. Total votes cast was just over 129 million in a country of 323 million people. So while over half of the eligible voters voted, a minority of the total country did. In other words, there wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:54 PM
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She said “I don’t think we should have sex”. Twice. That is withdrawing consent. And to the guy's credit, he stopped. After the first time he offered a counterpoint, since "I think" left open the possibility of being convinced otherwise, but when she said it the second time he stopped entirely. If the story is complete and accurate, I don't think he did anything wrong, and I don't think she did either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:43 PM
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Yeah, I think he did the right thing overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:36 PM
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yet they were just hiding all the silent majority. The majority of voters voted against him, and the majority of the country didn't vote at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:35 PM
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When your already naked and after oral sex? Please. Yeah, even then. Sometimes that is when you realize you don't want to keep going, and that's okay. It sucks, but it's okay. I was hooking up with a friend who needed a rebound fling a couple of months ago and maybe ten seconds into the actual sex she realized she wasn't over her ex after all and had to stop. So we stopped.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:31 PM
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If you're having an ONS/hookup and the person you're with is unenthusiastic/resistant about foreplay then something is wrong. Awkwardness or hesitance is one thing, but you shouldn't have to convince or cajole someone into any step of sex. This is especially true of a hookup, because there is an assumption that wanting sex is the only reason either of you wants to be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:30 PM
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Once they reach the point that they are conscious and self-aware, maybe, but then I'd also want it to be with me of it's own free will. Anything else is just creepy at that point. If it's like a RealDoll, even if it can move, then why would I want one? The entire thing that makes sex with a person better than masturbation is...well...the person. Sex with someone/something that has a human body is a lot of work, and to me that effort is only worth it because of the human connection, even in an ON…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:19 PM
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[Q4M] Would you date a woman who has worn out multiple sexbots? Death by snu snu!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 07:59 PM
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https://j4mb.org.uk/2017/10/28/campaign-against-sex-robots/ shows that there's a campaign being run by a feminist academic opposed to sex robots. At least link to the actual campaign and not a site that calls her a "parasite" because she is a professor at a public university.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 07:56 PM
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Yeah, they have some interesting points, and none of them are rooted in disliking the idea of sexbots, they're worried about secondary consequences to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 07:54 PM
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a couple posts on MGTOW some threads linking random Twitter posts "Most women", lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 07:53 PM
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If you actually read what they stand for, they aren't against sexbots themselves, they are worried about the influence sexbots will have on how men see women. There is nothing on their site that expresses disgust over the actual (hypothetical) sexbots, or even men using them, only hand-wringing that sexbots will cause men to see women and children as more disposable and more objectified than they already do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 07:49 PM
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If people get ticked off by words they will get tickes off by anything Yeeeeah...Trump's words are what women are marching against. Maybe you should actually understand something before you try to use it as an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 07:31 PM
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If everywhere you go all day you smell dogshit, maybe you should check your own shoe before concluding there is dogshit everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 07:28 PM
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If that "something" isn't "most women", your conclusion is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 07:26 PM
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No, then the wolves are an influence and they have their own social dynamics that might be distinctly different from the person's natural personality as well. Like I said, a truly "natural" person couldn't exist, our personalities require interaction with other people to develop, so they would need to grow up surrounded entirely by people but never be influenced by them. The closest thing we have are people who have gone through enough self examination (sometimes drug-induced) to pick apart thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 10:15 PM
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Oh yeah, I agree. Some people are naturally more one or the other, and I personally think it has to do much more with individual personality than gender, and it is social influence that causes us to favor certain norms along gender lines. "Masculine" and "feminine" are largely arbitrary social constructs. It's telling that they have changed over time and are different between different cultures. The human mind is most comfortable when it can split things into dichotomies though and this is one o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 10:08 PM
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The way a person would be without outside influence, or at least without repressing or emphasizing parts of their personality due to outside influences. Not that someone like that could exist, but as a hypothetical baseline.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 09:54 PM
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Do both. Become the best you can be, and then be happy with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 05:41 PM
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An interesting question is which is the "natural" state. Are BP men more feminine than usual, or does it just seem that way because we don't repress our feminine sides and RP men do? I can say that for me it was the latter. When I stopped caring about traditional masculinity as much I was able to embrace the aspects of myself that are more traditionally feminine. My theory is that people are more similar than most people think and we just suppress or emphasize certain aspects of ourselves due to…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 05:40 PM
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I don't know, I don't carry one. Ask GSL, she's the one who carries one and says she still feels uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 04:54 AM
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You're arguing with a woman who actually is doing the thing you suggested, because doing the thing doesn't make her feel the way you think it should make her feel. Stop and think about that for a minute.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 03:05 PM
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Ooh, good point. There are several kinds of eye rolling, not all of them are bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 05:23 PM
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Yeah, exaggerated eye rolling is really a totally different thing that communicates a totally different emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 05:22 PM
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Just know what your next move will be when he provides them and they're glowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 06:45 AM
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Did I say it was just physical? I certainly didn't mean to, but let me go back and check. . .. ... Nope, I didn't say that at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 11:58 PM
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Jibbers what a miserable asshole with a miserable asshole wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 11:55 PM
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This is why sex-resumés need to be a thing!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 11:48 PM
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That's why the most man-slutty men are at the forefront of the push to change social attitudes and slut-shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 11:47 PM
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Low-value men. After you've had sex 10? 100? 1000 times it loses its luster. I've had sex (rough estimate) many thousands of times (tens of thousands depending on how you're counting it), and it's still awesome. Does that mean I'm low value? There's more to life then sex. Really. I agree, but that doesn't mean it isn't fantastic. Name anything you love doing, there's more to life than that. It's a meaningless statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 11:29 PM
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I had no interest in it, and now I really want to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 11:20 PM
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I've read the entire thread to this point and I haven't seen the comments you are claiming have been made. If you go to the comment in question and right-click where it says "Permalink" under it and select "Copy" you can paste the direct hyperlink into your post and then we'll all know what the hell you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 11:05 PM
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It's taken on some negative connotations because of the way it is used, but I'd proudly accept the label without all the baggage.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 11:02 PM
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FratBoysTM and FuckBoisTM aren't funny. The humor in NiceGuysTM comes is rooted in their hypocrisy and total lack of self-awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 11:00 PM
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The humor in NiceGuysTM comes from the hypocrisy and lack of self awareness. FratBoysTM at least tend to be fairly self aware and consistent, at least no worse than the average person, even if they're assholes so there isn't the same humor value there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 10:53 PM
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What if I actually have the same kind of friendship with my female friends and male friends? Including the ones I sleep with, and the ones I used to sleep with and don't any more? Does that mean reality is autistic? It would explain so much...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 10:45 PM
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It's impossible to keep the friendship if the guy develops an attraction for her. Attraction doesn't kill friendships, immature jealousy and obsession kills friendships. I'm attracted to many of my female friends, and several of my male friends are attracted to me, we all know it and we're all okay with it. A real friendship can survive that as long as you don't act like you're 13.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 10:43 PM
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I would love a link because I could post that to r/niceguys (they also allow NiceGirl content) and get a ton of sweet imaginary internet points. Unless you want to, I don't want to steal it from you. I'd still like to read it though, it sounds hilariously stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 10:34 PM
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Nope again spend time on those pages. You are arguing with dozens of people who already do and are telling you you're full of shit. Your definition of Nice Guy isn't the one used on TBP and r/NiceGuys no matter how many times you insist it is. Sorry about your friend, sounds like the girl was a bitch (barring any other information on the subject). It also sounds like it didn't happen on a Reddit sub, it happened in real life. So why are you making this all about Reddit subs?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 10:30 PM
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It's easy to ignore someone's stupid politics when their mouth is on your junk (this applies to all genders...and all politics).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 10:09 PM
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I think another part of it might be that women are more culturally conditioned to feel responsible for other people's feelings, so they need to be reminded they aren't more often than men. Men are conditioned to not feel responsible for anyone's feelings so they need to be told they are more often than women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 07:45 PM
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I am asking why the double-standard of mainstream advice exists. I don't think there is one though. Men and women both get advice to go no contact and get advice to try to stay friends. So why aren't women willing to go no-contact with their orbiters? My personal theory is that women in our culture are raised to avoid conflict and confrontation and always try to find the mutual compromise solution. That said, plenty of women are also perfectly willing to go no contact as well, and any particular…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 07:24 PM
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They're not, and neither is the guy in your OP. If an "orbiter" or an FWB has been told there is no chance of a relationship and sticks around because they want one, that's on them. On the other hand, while there is no obligation to be responsible for their feelings, they're still your friend, so it's not unnatural to be sympathetic when they are hurting and to try to make them feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 06:56 PM
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Does it take away from or devalue your family member's trauma if someone else speaks about a less severe negative experience? If there is someone who went through something even worse, does that mean your family member should shut up so they don't devalue that person's experience? Or maybe people sharing their experiences, whatever they are, doesn't actually detract from others' experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 11:03 PM
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Everyone seems to be jumping to exactly two conclusions: either the man is addicted or the woman is unattractive, but how many of you have actually been in this situation? Assuming he's not totally giving up sex for porn and instead is sometimes forgoing sex and watching porn either instead or later, it's probably because sex can be exhausting. Not just physically but emotionally. It's amazing, and fucking worth it most of the time, but it can take a lot out of you, especially if you're a "giver…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 08:25 AM
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Why would I try if you already said you've made up your mind and it can't be changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 08:00 AM
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Your right you can't change my mind And right there is why even continuing the conversation is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 07:26 AM
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If it worked in 1982, it'll work forever. Zep is timeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 08:59 PM
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You're just willfully delusional. It's clear nothing I say can possibly change your mind from this false world view you have constructed. It doesn't matter what anyone says or does, you just assign the motives and meanings you expect to see, even as you admit they aren't actually there. I'm done arguing with someone who can't even agree with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 04:27 PM
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Because the word "creep" is losing its meaning So then why does it hurt so much? If it's losing its meaning then how would it hurt anyone's reputation. The whole idea is so patently ridiculous and internally contradictory I can only laugh. So if calling guys creeps has any useful purpose It doesn't, other than clearly letting the guy know the girl thinks he's a creep and that he should probably leave her alone. like if a guy loses his job over it Never happened in the history of the world. its g…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 10:51 PM
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Its much more the use of language than outright "we hate men" sort of thing. As they may not think they are anti male but how they come of is very much so. So they're not actually saying anything anti-male, but you still see anti-male bias. It sounds like maybe the problem is you. I know male feminists like BiggerD think otherwise but I view him like that of Michael Kimmel in that they bend over backwards to show how bad men are and how good women are. They will never say women do any harm or ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 08:00 PM
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Probably because everything said by feminists about men is by and large anti men. That hasn't been my experience with feminists, but maybe you're listening to different feminists. In general the "anti-men" wing of feminism is fairly fringe these days but they still have a loud voice in some circles. Even tho it was not created by them. And the term was not created within academia. So where did it come from? Who created the term and concept "toxic masculinity"? My first exposure to it, before I e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 05:11 PM
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Definitions can be contextual Fuck it, whatever, it's not worth arguing. I concede, it's ambiguous. It is impossible to know whether you are being confident or overconfident, and no one else can know either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 11:23 PM
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No it means it's different in different contexts and for different people. It's clearly defined, it just isn't always the same in every circumstance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 11:08 PM
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Sexual orientation is not a "gut reaction".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 10:58 PM
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Aside from this explanation though the term/concept has always seemed like just another way to tear down men in general. Only according to people who don't actually understand what it means. There's a bias in men's rights-type groups to assume anything feminists say about men is anti-male no matter what it is. Therefore rather than understanding what "toxic masculinity" actually is they just assume it is calling all masculinity toxic and tearing down men. Unfortunately that definition is the one…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 10:45 PM
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The line is quite sharp, just subjective. The difference is that when it becomes harmful in some way it's overconfidence. Anything up to that point is just confidence. Different people have different lines when it comes to "harm", but it's a perfectly simple distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 10:29 PM
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Eh, most of the high-n women I know are pretty stable and self-assured. The most unstable women (and men) I know are all either in, or looking for, serious LTRs. Even the ones who are poly are in long-term closed triads and the like. I don't know how much my experiences mirror the population, but it seems like by the time you're in your late 20's-to-30's, it takes way more emotional stability and energy to be single or be a slut than to be in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 01:18 AM
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Ehhh, maybe in general, but one of the worst "breakups" I ever had with a FWB was also one of the most sexually experienced women I've ever been with. She was getting too attached and needy and I felt like I had to break it off before she got hurt too bad...and I didn't act soon enough. Not saying you or the person who originally said it was wrong, more just a friendly warning to not count on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 10:35 PM
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I'm not going to say this doesn't cross my mind at times...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 10:28 PM
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You're mischaracterizing the two sides in the debate. It isn't "pro low-n" on one side and "pro high-n" on the other. It's pro low-n" on one side and "high- or low-n is insignificant" on the other. I'm personally in the camp that believes n-count is insignificant, but that's not to say sexual experience is insignificant. Sex is like any hobby or sport: you can get better at it with practice, but only if you try. Fishing is my favorite analogy. Someone can go fishing every day of their life and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 10:25 PM
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Which is why the debate isn't between "Low n-counts are better partners" and "High n-counts are better partners", it's between "Low n-counts are better partners" and "Lol, no, that's dumb, n-count is a meaningless metric". There isn't really a "Pro high-n" side in the debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 10:01 PM
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Could you read my last post? You clearly didn't. I quoted it. The entire point is that women have it really really easy in a lot of ways. That's not Dave's point or my point, and it's one of several different points you have stated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 08:51 PM
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And why do you not carry large amounts of cash? Because some people are poor and desperate. "Large amounts of cash" is an analogy for having a vagina. How do you propose women not carry vaginas? Again, missing the point. The point being that she has a lot of something and other people don't. You made the point that you shouldn't carry large amounts of cash. I addressed that point. Now you're telling me I missed the point, because you're making a totally different point. Tell you what, you can te…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 08:07 PM
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And why do you not carry large amounts of cash? Because some people are poor and desperate. "Large amounts of cash" is an analogy for having a vagina. How do you propose women not carry vaginas? Basically, this is women complaining "Boo hoo people just like me so much it's hard!!!" No...no it isn't. First, Dave Chappelle isn't a women. Second, that is completely not the point of the analogy in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:56 PM
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Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/774/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:50 PM
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I'm only confused by your comment, I can't tell what you are referring to. If you're saying that is the subtext of Brevnust's or oneprettycoolcat's comments, then I absolutely agree. I don't think it's correct, but I understand that is the subtext of what they are saying. If you're trying to assert that is the subtext of the Chappelle bit or OP's post, you're going to have a much harder time convincing me of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:46 PM
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Yeah, apparently she was a True Believer in the Empire and idolized Palpatine, and her armor was made from the armor plating of his personal shuttle after he died. She's not brainwashed like most of the First Order Stormtroopers, she's a fanatical Imperial patriot.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:40 PM
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First, I'm a man. Second, being rich isn't the analogy -- carrying large amounts of cash is the analogy. The issue isn't a rich person complaining about poor people. It's a person-carrying-large-amounts-of-cash -- who (and this is where the analogy breaks down) is unable to choose not to carry the large amount of cash -- complaining about muggers. You don't have to be sympathetic, but at least try to understand what it is you're not being sympathetic about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:38 PM
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Now that Kylo is in charge, he'll need a new Dragon. It's a perfect opportunity to give her a bigger role in the next film. Characters have survived much worse in the SW universe, and they have very advanced cybernetics, plus her armor is very good - it's made from star ship armor plating.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:22 PM
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The number could have been substituted for any other high number Yes, which is why I said "and even if someone is rich". I made the exact point you told me I missed. The point that Chapelle is trying to make is that women have it hard because they have lots of "money" and people want it. Again, you're missing the point. That is not the point of the bit, the point isn't that people want it, it's that he was afraid the whole time he was carrying the money because some people would be willing to hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:19 PM
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That's my point. Especially if you read some of the extended materials she's a really interesting character, and they haven't really done anything with her in the movies, but they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:14 PM
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Straw man. No one is trying to equate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:37 PM
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The point isn't that women or men have it harder than the other. It's not a contest. It's just about awareness of a problem women face (that many men have trouble being aware of or understanding). Recognizing one group is facing challenges doesn't invalidate your own challenges.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:35 PM
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Having $25k isn't rich, and even if someone is rich that doesn't mean they don't deserve sympathy if someone steals from them or cons them. You're missing the point of the analogy in the first place though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:33 PM
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Slightly off topic, but Phasma was so underutilized in both of the movies so far. There's so much they could do with that character, I hope she has a larger role in IX. Especially with Snoke gone, they need a third "main" character for the First Order.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:24 PM
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"Better lucky than good."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:18 PM
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although I guess she might have been worried about Imperial spies. That was my guess while I was watching it. It would make sense that if most people didn't realize the Empire had hyperspace-tracking tech, everyone else wold assume there is a spy on board, but they never actually said it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:16 PM
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No, that's the difference. A human would still be responsible if they bit someone. No matter how shitty your life is, you're still responsible if you decide to be an asshole because of it. You want to blame everyone but yourself for your actions and attitude, but that's not how it works. If you're going to be an asshole, own it. You said it yourself that you only care about yourself, stop blaming everyone else then. People hate assholes, especially assholes who talk about being assholes, most pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:22 AM
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Ah, so you don't actually mean "leaving it alone", because it is never alone or left alone when it is constantly being carried by a human being who is also actively providing life support with her body. It has to be removed before it can be left alone. You mean "not touching it" and allowing it to continue taking blood, oxygen, nutrients, etc. from the body of the human it is inside of. You should have said that from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 05:36 AM
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Dogs aren't human beings. They're not held accountable for their actions because they aren't conscious. I assume you are a human, therefore you are accountable for your actions, just like whoever kicked you is responsible for theirs. Unless it was a dog that kicked you. Then it's not really their fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 05:29 AM
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I'm never having kids. I love sex, I have it for lots of reasons and procreation is never one of them. The purpose of sex, for me, is not to produce offspring. Pregnancy is a risk, yes, but that doesn't make it the purpose, any more than crashing your car is the purpose of driving.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 05:27 AM
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You have said there's a line, but where is it? When is a lump of cells a human and when is it not a human? What differentiates a fetus from a liver or a tumor? Not what it can potentially become. What makes one lump of cells different from another now?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 05:24 AM
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Ah, I assumed you were going to give me a link to the actual comment you wanted me to see, not force me to dig through and try to guess which one you are referring to. Since you claimed you were quoting a specific comment and a specific user, you can understand why I might expect a link to that specific comment rather than a scavenger hunt.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 04:58 PM
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By "leave it alone" you mean force a woman to keep it attached to her body's circulatory, respiratory and immune systems, and completely change her life and put her health at risk to care for it as it parasitically feeds off of her body for the better part of a year. Leaving it alone would be removing it (unharmed) and putting it on the counter to fend for itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 04:53 PM
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incontrovertible proof Those words...I do not think they mean what you think they mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 04:49 PM
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How so? I asked you who you're quoting and you linked me to a post that doesn't say what you quoted and isn't by a person who is who you said. I assumed you gave me the wrong link.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 04:48 PM
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Okay, you don't like the word fault, so you're an asshole but it's not your responsibility. It's all because of everyone else being mean to you. You say it was your choice like you're going to take responsibility for your own actions and attitude, and then you fall back to blaming the rest of the world for making you make that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 04:44 PM
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Okay, are you going to classify then? Or do I just have to guess what you meant?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 04:43 PM
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A liver is infinitely more complex and functional than a blastocyst, and it is just as reliant on the body it is inside off to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 04:42 PM
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Then why are so many in foster care?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 04:41 PM
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It was unable to survive without being attached to and leeching of of another human's body. That human decided they no longer wanted their body used to support it. Basic bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 04:40 PM
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I already answered this for you - did you not see my reply? As stated, those things are parts of a human but are not the entirety of a human. They are genetically human, but will not develop into conscious humans if left unharmed. I saw your reply, it didn't answer the question. If left unharmed a fetus won't develop into a human either. It requires the support and resources of another human's body for months to have even a chance of eventually developing into a conscious human. If it could be r…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 12:45 AM
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I was marveling at the bizarre phrasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 12:34 AM
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It doesn't sound that controversial. Wrong, but not controversial. I disagree with both of your statements, but it doesn't make me angry. I don't really know why most people would get angry about that (some people get angry about everything) unless there was some additional context I'm missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 12:33 AM
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Leaders of men are alpha IMO. Even leaders who don't have any other recognizable Alpha traits? How many men do I have to lead to be Alpha? If I lead them into disaster do I still count? What if I just lead them to the bar? And I still an Alpha if I don't want to be a leader and am forced into it because I'm too beta to refuse the role? What if I don't know anyone is following me?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 12:30 AM
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If you're so certain people would ignore your post if it includes evidence and examples, why would you think anyone would care about your post that has no evidence or examples? Is wasting four hours doing something pointless really worse than wasting one hour doing something even more pointless? Why post at all if you expect to be ignored?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 12:26 AM
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So you're an asshole, but it's not your fault. Gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 12:23 AM
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So you decided what they believe, despite the fact that you know many people don't believe that way including yourself. You could have actually addresses their statement, engaged with them in good faith and had a discussion about what they actually said, but you decided to instead ask them for a source for their personal moral belief, even though you admit you don't expect them to have one, and even if they did it would be irrelevant to the conversation. If you were trolling, just admit it. It s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 12:22 AM
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I'm pretty sure askerman97 isn't BP, nor is he(?) saying "I have zero sympathy whatsoever for guys who want casual sex because I don't like it".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 12:18 AM
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If I remove a blastocyst does it have the possibility of developing consciousness? No. For most of the pregnancy the fetus is biologically part of the woman carrying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 12:16 AM
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So if having human genetics is the only thing that makes something human, is a cancerous tumor human? What about an artificial organ grown in a lab? Is it a human? Or my kidney, if it is removed from my body does that make it a human unto itself? What about a person whose genetic code is mutated or messed up, who has an extra or missing chromosome. Are they not human because their genetic code doesn't match other humans? Or a bonobo that has 99% of the same DNA as humans do? There is more differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 12:13 AM
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I've heard and handful of BPs, RPs, and no-flairs all denounce casual sex. It's by no means the majority opinion among any group in PPD. There are a fair number of people who say things like "I don't want casual sex personally, but you do you", but that is a very different opinion. I'm curious about the specific poster you're quoting, do you have a link by any chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 11:57 PM
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And yet none of them seem to agree what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 11:53 PM
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I can think of someone with a bp feminist flair in here who told me it makes sense that only men are drafted because men and women are different. Someone with a RP flair told me that women all secretly want to be raped. Lots of people with Red flairs have told me that AWALT is literally true for all women and for their specific interpretation of "like that". Several people with RP flairs have told me that TRP is all bullshit and none of it should be taken seriously. I mean, for gods' sake...Lewi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 11:47 PM
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Then I guess I'll have to forget all the times I've heard guys are entitled creeps for wanting casual sex and all the times women have said to me "are you a player?" If you weren't hearing it from BP posters in this sub, then it's off topic. OP attributed these beliefs and statements to BP posters here in PPD specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 11:38 PM
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It is a scientific fact the fertilization of an egg is the beginning of a human life as defined by the genetic code. You're misrepresenting this. It is a scientific fact that the chromosomes combine at fertilization, but there is nothing scientific that defines that as a "human". The scientific name for that is a "zygote", until it develops into a "blastocyst".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 11:23 PM
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Tumors are also genetically human. Are you opposed to removing them as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 11:13 PM
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Even if this is actually happening, which it hasn't been officially verified, I wouldn't be opposed to it. In fact it's been officially verified again and again that it isn't happening. What is happening is that the hospitals and research institutions receiving the tissue samples are reimbursing PP for the cost of storage and transportation, which is standard practice any time one medical organization provides cadaver tissue or live organs to another. That and hype is all there ever was to this …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 11:10 PM
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You'd think that amount of cognitive dissonance would be painful...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 11:05 PM
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Smells more like a majority than some. Lol, how scientific and statistically valid. most of the usual customer bpers are staying far away from this thread for good reason That reason is that it is a poorly constructed argument that basically misrepresents and insults us for three paragraphs of inane ranting without providing any examples or evidence. Most of my fellow bloops are just tired of this bullshit and don't think it's even worth their time to shit all over your "arguments".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:55 PM
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friendzone = fuckzone As someone who fucks several of his friends, I'm curious what you could possibly have said that made everyone so angry. Would you mind linking to that comment? I can't seem to find it and I want to read it. You can PM it to me if you think it might derail this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:46 PM
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Do you know how many children are in the foster system waiting to be adopted in the USA right now? Do you know how much of a negative effect that has on them for the rest of their lives? If your solution (for anything) is to add more children into that system, you're either an idiot or an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:43 PM
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No, but you could assume that there's a tremendously higher chance of a guy being alpha if he gets laid a lot. A guy who gets laid a lot is probably Alpha. We know this because Alphas get laid a lot. We know this because guys who get laid a lot are usually Alpha. Still circular. Most early punks must've been alpha. Based on what? I would definitely see artist who go/went against the grain today/in the past as alpha. So early gay-rights pioneers are about as Alpha as they come, by your definition…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:39 PM
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The reason I asked for a source is because the person to whom I was replying was stating it as if it were some universal truth. The color blue is beautiful! There, I stated that as a universal truth as well. Would it make sense to ask me for a source, or is it obvious that it is could only be a personal opinion despite how it is phrased? I didn't actually expect them to have a source. So you were asking...why? Just to derail the conversation? My only moral code is that if it is a net benefit to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:30 PM
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by far not the worst post compared to many Wow...high praise...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:23 PM
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What "pro-male policy positions"? I am not sure has has any coherent policy positions, certainly none that seem explicitly gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:13 PM
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I'm a man, people are generally nice, or at worst indifferent to me, 99.9% of the time. Depending on how you define "not nice", that's a whole lot more often than most women get. If you walk around all day and all you see are assholes, maybe you're the asshole...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:10 PM
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Source? For a "moral duty"? Morals are individual and personal, what kind of source could possibly be provided other than "this is what I believe"? Could you cite sources for your own moral code?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:07 PM
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Not all assholes are psychopaths, most are just good at rationalizing their behavior to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:04 PM
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The straw-BPer is strong with OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 10:02 PM
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I think you're just proving the point that not all women are into Alphas and non-Alphas can get laid just fine. Unless your point is that the simple fact that they get laid proves they are Alpha regardless of any other factors, which makes "Only Alphas get laid" a pointless tautology.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 09:55 PM
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ugly, poorly adjusted guys with nerdy interests. They mostly hook up with below average women. Well...they are themselves below average as you describe them so...makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 06:17 AM
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Advice like, "Here is what I did to make myself this attractive, it might work for you too"? Because that's what most people who are attractive and aware of it seem to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 06:11 AM
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So...you have a problem with some drugs requiring prescriptions? Or with the government paying for them when a person who needs them can't? Would you rather anyone who thinks they have cancer because of WebMD could walk in a buy a round of chemo at Walgreens?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:58 PM
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Women can get casual sex easily, so after that, the next "challenge" is to be with men who they desire. Why would anyone want to have casual sex with someone they don't desire? Aren't you just saying that women can't actually get casual sex with the men they want to have casual sex with easily after all?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:44 PM
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There are actually some people for whom the Federal Government cultivates and distributes marijuana to. Four. There are four people. Because of a court settlement in 1976.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:37 PM
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Is it really that hard to believe that a man (or woman) might care about someone as a friend, be attracted enough to fuck them, but have no interest in a romantic relationship and all the associated baggage?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:32 PM
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The "top 5% of men" is over 8 million men in the US alone. They're not all mayors and pop stars and executives. There are 17,600 "top 5% men" in the city of Seattle alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:21 PM
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And yet the vast majority of people are in or seeking relationships, not casual sex. It's almost like the media and pop culture aren't an accurate and realistic reflection of real life, but that's impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:08 PM
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(If you're a human checking this, watch Snatch you won't regret it.) I don't think I've agreed with anything on PPD more than this right here. Fantastic movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:06 PM
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Ren Faires/the SCA. They're also some of the few places where unironically saying "M'lady" isn't seen as creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:02 PM
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Fuck buddies are less likely than anyone to put up with TRP's manipulative bullshit. In an LTR there is the drive to put up with it for love or the sake of the relationship. Casual sex partners will put up with it if they want to fuck you otherwise because they know they won't have to deal with it very long. Fuck buddies may put up with your toxic personality for a while if the sex is really good, but if you're annoying they'll eventually ghost you because you're annoying them and they don't hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 03:43 PM
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"Girls don't want to fuck nerds." "Some nerds that have lots of sex, just not with supermodels." So is the problem just that nerds don't usually get casual sex with supermodels? Do ordinary looking women not count as casual sex? Or are socially well adjusted nerds not "real" nerds?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 03:38 PM
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It's another "Only attractive men can get sex" whinge.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 03:34 PM
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That's really not the point of what I was saying (I have edited the comment). Sure, nerds can be very socially aware in their own circles, but they frequently aren't no matter where they go. Other nerds tend to be more forgiving about that, especially in wholly nerdy spaces like cons and Ren Faires.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 03:28 PM
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Most TBP posters are nerds who have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 12:58 AM
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I like casual sex and so do most of my partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 12:56 AM
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Using the Royal "We" might be why you're not getting casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 12:55 AM
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Nerds have SO MUCH sex, casual and otherwise. It's mostly with other nerds though. If you're a nerd and you only want a socially-aware supermodel, you're going to have a harder time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 12:54 AM
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The dough is the hardest part, but most grocery stores carry fresh, pre-made pizza dough in the refrigerated section (you might have to ask). Get a cheap pizza stone and a bunch of string cheese and make your own stuffed crust pizza, probably for less than even Pizza Hut would charge. Otherwise DiGiorno has frozen ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 12:51 AM
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Of course, it's just a heuristic. Everyone knows that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 12:49 AM
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New men can just displace other men. So you don't actually care about solving the "problem", you're fine with the portion of men not getting the casual sex they want, you just want to be one of the men who does.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 12:45 AM
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Childfree folks commonly have more and better sex than parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 07:54 AM
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There's a difference between a person claiming to represent a group, and the group claiming the person represents them. Not really. They both go hand in hand. So anyone who says they represent a group represents that group, even if the group doesn't agree? That's stupid. If a particular group of Muslims claim that the terrorists represent them, then yes, they're evil. If one sector of Muslims say that but another don't what does that mean then? Then the sector that says that is evil, and the sec…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 08:28 PM
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There's a difference between a person claiming to represent a group, and the group claiming the person represents them. If a particular group of Muslims claim that the terrorists represent them, then yes, they're evil. But I can claim to represent, say, the republican party or Christianity or the Girl Scouts all day if I want to and that doesn't mean shit. Terrorists claiming to represent Islam doesn't mean shit. See the difference? An "Endorsed Contributor", like a pastor, is given that title b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 06:32 PM
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There are pastors that are endorsed in society that are downright evil. Doesn't make the religion inherently bad. Yeah, yeah it does actually. It doesn't make the underlying philosophy bad necessarily, but it demonstrates the social structure known as the "religion" to be rotten and corrupt.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 12:15 AM
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I'm not old enough to have listened to The Doors when they were new, but I played the hell out of my dad's old vinyl growing up and they were one of my favorite bands.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 12:10 AM
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arachnophobia is a thing, and it can affect men or women. Beyond that though is a social pressure that tells little girls they should fear mice and spiders and snakes and other creepy-crawly things which seems to commonly carry over into adulthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 12:06 AM
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Given that she's also probably a figment of his imagination at this point, that's really sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 12:04 AM
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...self-service gas stations are feminists' fault? Did I miss something? Did the feminist-leftist weirdos that control Oregon miss something?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 12:03 AM
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Your conversation with him was one of the most entertaining, too. you gave him the answer he was hoping to get and he just kept pushing and adding new scenarios and variables until there was something for him to get offended by. "Would u have atleast kissed right" might be my favorite post in this whole clusterfuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 11:10 PM
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This whole comment section is comedy gold. OP is just flailing around, and I'm not even sure what his problem is since he even says he wasn't bullied severely himself. The women here are trying to be reasonable and answer and he is just completely off the rails. It's like he has this scenario he's come up with and he's shocked...shocked I tell you...that women don't think the way he should. Not that he has given any clear definitions or details about this hypothetical situation he has in his min…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 11:00 PM
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Or maybe not everyone shares the same preferences and some women (and men) are genuinely physically attracted to "hairy dad bods" or stick-skinny goth types or short balding Italians or anything else under the sun. I like chubby girls. I like skinny girls too, but take the same woman at a size 2 and a size 20 and I'll usually find her sexier at a 20. People have different preferences, and if you can't accept that reality you probably should stay away from telling people what is going on in their…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 10:23 PM
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Not only do you know what women are thinking better than they do, you also know the statistics of how your fellow PPDers met their SOs? ... ... Are you a wizard?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 10:13 PM
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we don't get "boners" My SIL calls it a "wide-on".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 10:11 PM
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I think it's hookups as opposed to other types of relationships. not everyone goes to a bar or club to find a mate, but those who do are more commonly looking for fun than relationships. Someone seeking a relationship is more likely to look in places where there is a better chance of shared interests like a hobby club or meetup group, online where they can filter potential mates by profile, and other social situations where it's easier to have a conversation. Naturally there are exceptions, espe…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 06:33 PM
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It is, itself, an assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 07:16 AM
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What? I don't understand what you mean. You will not know if some one is not AWALT right away How can an individual be or not be AWALT? It's a statement about women in general. Do you mean you don't know if they conform to the expectations of AWALT? This is totally different from AWALT on almost every contextual level. No Good argument. Very persuasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 09:37 AM
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A good economy makes it easier, but a great economy doesn't necessarily make it easier than that. There are many factors more important than the total strength of the economy that are far more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 09:34 AM
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Social mobility has very little to do with the overall strength of the economy of the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 09:14 AM
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It's untruthfulness is based on exceptions that are not immediately noticeable. What? I don't understand what you mean. Treat all guns as loaded This is totally different from AWALT on almost every contextual level. The comparison is ridiculous and shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 08:42 AM
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You're changing the subject. You said "AWALT isn't about assumptions". I didn't say "never make assumptions", I said AWALT is making assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 08:38 AM
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It is a collection of assumptions that TRPs claim will be correct 90% of the time. Leaving aside whether or not they're actually correct, they are still assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 08:35 AM
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How is it useful if it isn't true?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 11:06 PM
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Based on assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 11:05 PM
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Yeah, that's why I'm here. Self-esteem is fine, pretty self-actualized, I just enjoy a good pointless argument now and then.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 07:16 AM
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Not really, although these particular concepts seem mutually exclusive, and both are regularly promoted as major tenets of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 04:34 PM
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It always surprises me (and it shouldn't any more) that RPers have such a low opinion of men. It's self-contradictory too, on the one hand "Only men are capable of love and commitment" and on the other hand "men don't want relationships and have to be trapped into them with sex".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 04:01 PM
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That is not the primary definition that applies in a sexual/relationship sense though. Dictionary definitions are not the end-all be-all, hell even different dictionaries have different definitions of a lot of words. In a romantic/sexual relationship the "dominant" partner isn't more important. They are probably more powerful than their partner, but again that has a very different meaning. Context is important. Nuance too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 10:42 PM
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That has nothing to do with whether or not someone's sexual predilections are reflective of their "truest desires" in the rest of their lives. So just a asspull then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 08:56 PM
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For one very narrow definition of equality in one specific social context, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 08:30 PM
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What are you basing this argument on though? It seems like it's just your opinion, probably based on some anecdotal evidence and unscientific observation of a limited and biased sample group. Did I come close?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 08:26 PM
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I might be wrong, but I see this as tongue-in-cheek using a word that has negative connotations for something that isn't inherently negative. Like when people who don't want kids call themselves "selfish" for that choice. It isn't really anything negative, and the shared understanding of that makes the use of the negative term humorous.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 05:21 PM
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In every company I've ever worked for, only if one person has direct supervisory authority over the other. I did have one co-worker who moved departments because her boyfriend was promoted to manager over her, and HR said one of them would have to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 02:36 PM
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I find children and emotionally driven people next to impossible to predict. Logical people are generally far more predictable. When they're not it's either because they're acting on emotions, or they're way smarter than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 08:45 AM
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Maybe not aggressive, but being bold and assertive is 100% compatible with being nice, and plenty of assholes are not bold or assertive. In many cases the biggest assholes act that way because they aren't bold or assertive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 08:32 PM
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The problem is what you consider toxic won't be what I consider toxic and what we both consider toxic may not be what somebody else consider toxic. That's why it's a discussion. There is already a system in place to discourage and punish obvious toxic behaviors like violence, rape, etc called the law and order. That doesn't address that men are commonly taught in our culture that they need to do those things (and many other things that are harmful but not illegal) to "be a real man". Everything …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/17 05:34 PM
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Okay, now that we're on the same page... I disagree. Pointing out that certain behaviors are toxic is not restricting how anyone can be a man, any more than pointing out that touching a hot stove will hurt your hand restricts what you can touch. It's about awareness, not forcing anyone to change. Many of these toxic behaviors are only engaged in because so many men don't realize or don't believe that there's a choice, they think the only way to "be a man" is to be aggressive and violent and neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/17 05:01 PM
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I wasn't trying to make a straw man, that's why I asked if I was interpreting it correctly and asked for clarification. That's the opposite of a straw man. So what you're saying is that by pointing out that certain behaviors or ideas about masculinity are harmful, that contributes to toxic masculinity by limiting the acceptable ways to be masculine. Is that correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/17 08:17 AM
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Yes, but it seems like your justification for that is that is that identifying harmful behaviors or influences is pointless. If that is not the reason you think it's idiotic, please clarify further.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/17 08:50 PM
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If your opinion is about a legal matter then it does. Entitlement is a legal concept. No it isn't. Definition of entitlement 1 a : the state or condition of being entitled : right b : a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract 2 : a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group; also : funds supporting or distributed by such a program 3 : belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges Your definition states that entitlement is "a right …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/17 12:09 AM
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You said "men are entitled to sex from wives.", but they legally aren't. One giving their opinion about something has absolutely nothing to do with the law. If your opinion is about a legal matter then it does. Entitlement is a legal concept. By using that word, you were stating a fact, not an opinion, and you were incorrect. Then why on earth would you say "the law would like to have a word with you" about a man saying a husband is entitled to sex from his wife? Because the law says you are wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 11:38 PM
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There is also no law for basically anything one can feel entitled to in a relationship, money, gifts, dates, trips. Feeling entitled to something is different from actually being entitled to it. She isn't free to do so in the context her husband can take action by leaving the relationship or not doing other things. No, in fact she is absolutely free, just like he is. Freedom doesn't mean there aren't consequences. The husband can do any of those things whether she has sex with him or not. Your t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 08:53 PM
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Yeah, I agree with you there. It's one of several discussions that need to happen about the time it goes from casual to serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 08:38 PM
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Um...by not supporting it. There is no law that says men are entitled to sex from their wives. A wife is free to turn down her husband for sex the way any other person is free to turn down any other person. What is so confusing about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 08:33 PM
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Yeah, but I could also understand it if it was out of fear of being judged. Also how long they waited, and if they realized up front it would be a deal-breaker. In general though I'm with you, if it's gotten to the point that the people in the relationship are calling it an LTR, that's waiting too long.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 08:27 PM
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When have I accused people of being rapists? I mean, I'm sure I have, but not recently and not frequently, and certainly not without reason. Even in this case, I didn't accuse anyone of being a rapist, I said that the law doesn't support the statement that men are entitled to sex from their wives. I guess the implication is that if a man rapes his wife then he is a rapist, but I didn't accuse anyone of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 08:19 PM
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Hey! One example (from a non-BPer)! Congratulations! (Don't feel like you need to respond to this, I'm just being snarky, not trying to make a point.)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 08:00 PM
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But since you asked, men are entitled to sex from wives. The law would like to have word with you about this. (pssst -- the word is WROOOOOONG! lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 07:57 PM
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Even then it would come down to how he went about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 07:54 PM
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No, that's fair. No one is obligated to date anyone, and sexual compatibility is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 07:26 PM
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You're misreading that. I'm not saying it exists because the systems allows it. I'm saying it exists, full stop. I gave other evidence it exists. The fact that the system allows it is simply an additional observation, not the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 06:59 PM
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Toxic behaviors or ideas don't have the be gendered, gendered behaviors or ideas don't have to be toxic. Some behaviors and ideas are toxic and gendered. Ignoring male suicide and depression is a toxic idea/behavior, but men and women both do it so it is not gendered. The reason so many people ignore it is because of the societal expectation that men will be stoic and never ask for help or admit to having emotional or mental problems, which is a toxic idea/behavior and is specific to men, thus t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 06:26 PM
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Because that's a slippery slope argument. No it isn't. Just because something is allowed does not meet it in fact happens or exists. That isn't the argument I'm making. In the case of the white-black sentencing I don't dispute that, but only 4.7% of adult black males are incarcerated currently. "Only" 4.7% of the entire adult population. But there's no oppression there, certainly not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 06:18 PM
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I already linked to 2 comments somewhere else stating all cultures are patriarchal, and there are thousands of books on this subject by feminists Oh yes, two comments totally supports your claim of "all feminists". And "thousands of books" but you only reference one. Even if it's thousands, there are millions of "feminist publications and writings" and you claimed (and continue to claim) "all" of them say that "all cultures are patriarchal".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 06:07 PM
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Now if you could please tell me why would the word emancipation me in the definition of feminism that would be lovely. You'll have to ask Google. I didn't put it in there and never brought it up. It's also not in the definition, it's listed as a synonym. Oh, but look at me being pedantic again, looking at the actual words being used and what they mean. No I am 100% serious. Saying feminism does not believe in the patriarchy or all cultures are patriarchal is like saying black lives matter doesn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 06:04 PM
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Yeah, except that's not what I said at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 05:53 PM
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So what you're saying is that encouraging healthy behaviors is pointless and the only thing that will change how people act is making things illegal? So advertising, propaganda, social pressure, these are all totally pointless and have no effect, is that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 05:53 PM
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It's a nuanced idea, and also one that has a lot of room for different opinions as to what is toxic and what isn't, and in what contexts. The complexity is unsurprising given that the term originated in academia. I think we can agree the impulse to react with physical violence to someone harassing your girlfriend is part of the typical masculinity that is reinforced in society. I think it's toxic. You clearly don't. As long as we both understand what "toxic masculinity" actually means we can hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 11:40 PM
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It's like claiming because Nazi's ruled Germany in the past, power would rest in the hands of Nazi's today. If there hadn't been a war and a multinational coalition forcing the Nazis out of power, they would still be in power (although like all political ideologies they would probably be very different almost 80 years later). For a more modern example, Asian households now far outearn white house holds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income B…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 10:59 PM
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The reason black men can get higher sentences than white men for the same crime is because the law allows the discretion of sentencing by judges and people in the court room. That is literally the definition of systemic oppression. The system allows for the oppression. The people who are part of the system do the oppressing. They do it because of traditions and biases and privileges that are inherent in and propagated by the system. What part of this don't you get?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 10:43 PM
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Now we are just cherry picking what gets allowed to be associated with femininity or not. Fair enough. In my experience making that claim has never been held up or promoted as inherently feminine or masculine. You might have a different experience. If it is a feminine thing, then it is toxic femininity, the only disagreement is whether it is feminine and I'm happy to agree to disagree on that specific point. The statement itself is toxic masculinity though. Again, this is a direct contradiction.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 10:40 PM
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Masculinity is extremely broad (and in fact one of the most pervasive toxic ideas in masculinity is that there is a narrow and specific way to be masculine). I don't have the time or energy to quantify all of the parts that aren't toxic, especially since a lot of things that are toxic are non-toxic aspects just taken too far or pushed too hard (for example competitiveness is good in most circumstances, competitiveness to the point of violence and rage (which is often seen as perfectly masculine)…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 10:28 PM
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Well the comment is talking about societies today, so historical trends are irrelevant. No, you misread that. I said historical trends can be a cause for a society to be patriarchal today. If men were historically in power, then there are probably more men in positions of power today. In turn more men are elevated to positions of power because people just associate men with power because of the historical trend, and the men in power tend to promote people like themselves, which is more often oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 10:21 PM
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Outside of islamic countries there are no patriarchal societies or cultures. No country to exposed knowledge(unsure of North Korea) gives men inherent legal or fiscal power over women. Ah, now I see. there is a fundamental misunderstanding in what "patriarchal society" means. At least when used in this context it isn't only civilizations where men have power over women coded into the law, it includes where men have a greater degree of control and power due to historical trends, cultural biases, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 08:55 PM
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That's correct. Making that a statement like that isn't something that is associated with femininity in our culture even if a woman is saying it, and it isn't making a harmful assertion about femininity. Therefore while it is toxic, making that statement isn't "toxic femininity". The statement itself is toxic masculinity though. Or at least it is promoting toxic masculinity, in that it is making or reinforcing an assertion about masculinity that is harmful to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 08:50 PM
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I know, right? It doesn't seem like that hard of a concept, I can really only chalk it up to willful ignorance at this point. "That car sucks." "Why do you hate all cars?"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 07:42 PM
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Masculinity is not toxic. Certain assumptions and behaviors associated with masculinity are toxic, and those are collectively called "Toxic Masculinity". Y'know, to distinguish them from masculinity in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 07:32 PM
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Feminism is founded on the belief all cultures are patriarchal and men have inherent power over women. While that is a common belief within the modern feminist movement, it is not the founding belief. Do you think it's wrong? Can you point to a modern culture that is not still patriarchal to some degree? This is reflected in all feminist publications and writings. And you know this because you've read them all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 07:29 PM
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Femininity is the quality of being a woman. No it isn't. It's the qualities that society has associated with being a woman. Individual women can have more or less of those feminine qualities, or none at all. Toxic femininity, in turn, are the specific qualities of femininity that cause harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 07:26 PM
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We both know that affirmative action is used to favorite less qualified but minority people over more qualified but whites/men. No, you believe that, I don't. In general academics and industry experts say it works I think I'll listen to them over you unless you have some reason I should trust your opinion over people who study this stuff for a living. Forced responsibility is the antithesis of freedom. Not having a social safety net to catch you if you fall is the epitome of forced responsibilit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 05:48 PM
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Yeah, probably not. There is definitely something wrong with me, but I don't think that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 04:29 PM
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Do you know of a thing called affirmative action? Do liberals support that? Liberals support affirmative action because they recognize there are still systemic barriers to women and minorities getting hired for jobs or the like. The statistics are clear that despite the changes that have been made in the law and the culture, a woman or black man is statistically less likely to get a job compared to an equally qualified white man. Affirmative action has been effective in partially correcting this…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 04:28 PM
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u/Seagebs answered you more articulately than I would and I agree with their comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 04:08 PM
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l o l o o l o l EDIT: okay, I'm impressed by the formatting, I can't pull that off.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 03:53 PM
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Liberal is more what Europeans would call "left". It is socially progressive, supporting feminism, LGBT rights, worker's rights, minority and immigrant rights, environmental protection, believe in climate change, pro-choice on abortion, welfare and support for the poor and homeless, etc) and favors things like government-funded healthcare and using taxes to benefit everyone. The "Liber-" refers to the belief that everyone should be free to be who they want and live the way they want as long as i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 10:29 PM
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There is no consistency to the arguments you are making. Just because you assert something doesn't make it true. I could say the same to you. I'm trying to actually address your comments, but it feels like you are just ignoring everything I say because it isn't "You're right, women do have all the power". I don't have anything new to add because you're not addressing or refuting what I'm saying, you're just claiming I'm wrong and you're right but never actually defending that because you think i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 09:44 PM
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That's a stupid oversimplification. Men have at least as much power as women do to prevent pregnancy. We have all of the same choices women do: we can choose not to have sex, we can choose sterilization, we can choose to use birth control, and we choose to take the risk if we do have sex that it could result in a pregnancy even with birth control. Women have an additional option available if the pregnancy is not prevented and they have 100% of the responsibility to exercise that option or not. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 07:38 PM
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I can't contribute meaningfully to this discussion. I haven't been in a non-open relationship since I was 24. It just seems so strange to me to be so worried about who your SO is talking to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 06:33 PM
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The US uses different words than Europe does to refer to certain political beliefs and systems. Your "Liberal" or "Classical Liberal" is our "Libertarian". Your "Left" is our "Liberal". Your "Chips" is our "Fries".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 06:19 PM
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Answer what? The first paragraph was incoherent, "Essentially what I'm asking is for women to take some responsibility" but then you say "You seem want all of the power in women's hands but only half of the responsibility". So if they already have half the responsibility, isn't that already "some responsibility"? I addressed the rest of it. I love am mildly amused that you think that's not answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/17 07:50 AM
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Even that is conditioned. It's one of the common ones but not by any means universal. There's also a lot of cultural difference as to what size and shape of breasts are considered the standard of beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/17 05:42 AM
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Masculinity and femininity harken back to our animal and lower natures which is also the realm of sexuality I'll give you that, but for that exact reason "actual" masculinity is much broader and less conscious than the way it is defined by society and culture. I would argue that "masculinity" can refer to the base animal sexual masculinity, or it can refer to societal expressions and expectations of masculinity, and the two don't really have that much to do with each other (and the exact same ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 11:07 PM
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Surely there are genetic/evolutionary reasons behind what we find hot, right? If there were it would be pretty consistent across cultures and throughout the last few thousand years of history. Spoiler alert: It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 11:00 PM
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I dated an aspiring fashion designer for a while and learned a few things about the industry. The figure that is popular for "models" has nothing to do with sexual attraction. They're supposed to be walking coat hangars and specifically not to distract from the clothes they're wearing. Models are all supposed to be the same size so the designer can build the clothes on a standard dress form. They're supposed to be skinny with small breasts so they don't distort the oh-so-important fabric that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 10:57 PM
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The medical consensus is that women need at least 10% body fat to just survive normally (vs 3% for men), and that the healthy minimum is 21% for a fit non-athlete (13% for men).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 10:49 PM
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It's completely subjective and societal. When there is enough of a disconnect between social classes, the distinctions even become significant within a single society. What was seen as "masculine" among serfs was distinctly different from what was seen as "masculine" among the gentry, which was in turn different from what was seen as "masculine" among the clergy. Even today you see it. Among the working class things like a perfectly tailored fashionable suit, polished shoes and a $300 haircut ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 10:40 PM
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I'd still love to see an actual argument against MGTOW Like what? MGTOW isn't a concept or a philosophy that can be argued with. You're going your own way, good for you. Have fun, I hope it works out for you. No one is pleading you or begging you to come back. but nothing that would show that we'd be better off if we gave up this lifestyle Oh, is that the argument you're expecting? If you're happy, who am I to judge? I'm a happily single man myself, I just don't feel the need to join a club abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 07:53 PM
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O...kay? I'd judge you by your actions but I don't know you. When all I have is the words you write, words speak louder than nothing. If it helps, I'm not judging you very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 07:36 PM
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Maybe it was different then, but as long as I've been subbed (maybe a year or two) there is very little discussion of children themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 07:22 PM
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I don't personally know any of you. I judge you by your words.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 07:06 PM
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Do you actually read r/childfree? Or are you just making an assumption and deciding it's true? I certainly don't recognize your name from CF.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 07:05 PM
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As an active subscriber and commenter on r/childfree, we really don't talk about kids much at all. When kids do come up it's usually stories of badly behaved kids ruining an experience or the like, and the focus is still primarily on the bad parents and how much it re-enforces our decisions to not have kids of our own. That is a really small percentage of the discussion and rarely is as popular as other discussion topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 06:57 PM
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PUA is the most well known outside of Reddit, but mostly in a "Wait...that's still a thing?" sort of way. As far as the mainstream is concerned "Pick-Up Artistry" began and ended with Mystery and The Game.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 06:50 PM
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Most MGTOWs were never the "good men" those articles are talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 06:33 PM
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Yeah, I'm single by choice (with a half-dozen FWBs that come and go) and I would never identify as a MGTOW. (...and yes, before anyone is confused by my username again I'm a guy)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 06:27 PM
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... . . . Do you actually know any feminists? Or is it just the imaginary ones in your head that tell you these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 03:40 PM
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Sooooooo....no? She didn't consent to having her ass grabbed? Then yes, it violated her consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 11:00 PM
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Case in point... lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 10:58 PM
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But consenting to something is not the same as liking it or not liking it. You can't reasonably consent to sex with the idea it will be fantastic upon belief every single time. You consent to it on the basis you allow it and give permission. Yes, I agree. That's why I wasn't sure if I disagree or not. If you consent to something there is no guarantee that you do or will like it, and liking something doesn't constitute consent. Then you brought up "a guy grabbing her ass doesn't violate consent" …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 10:33 PM
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equalitarianism Now you're just making up words. they side step calling it morality instead they say "ethics". Those are actually two different things. But you probably have your own special and unique definitions where they're the same, don't you. Anarchists disagreed with the Webster definition when I was an anarchist because at the time it called anarchy chaos and the absence of law and order It may have been updated from the Hobbsean definition since then So you didn't actually read the defi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 10:26 PM
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"I think that would make you disordered if that causes you to cringe. You can not like it, or disagree, but if stuff like that makes you cringe, it is weird." "I don’t have to decide what is cringey, it was already decided before I got here, I just called you out on it. You feeling it’s mean is just more of your feelings." The whole discussion thread is just more of this. It's pretty great/awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 10:07 PM
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Your (broad to the point of uselessness) definition of "religion" is "A religion is simply a formal morality organization" Feminism (and communism, since you brought it up) still don't fit your definition because neither one is an organization, and neither one has a formal moral stance (except in the vaguest of senses...maybe "equality"? Is that a "formal morality"?). Atheism even less so, as it doesn't even have the vague moral basis that feminism and communism do. By your definition some speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 09:59 PM
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Was...was there a point to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 09:50 PM
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This isn't about it being common (it is), it's about how ridiculous it is when TRP starts trying to explain why, or extrapolate new ideas from that fact. I've been active in the BDSM scene since I was 20. "Rape Play" is its own specific fetish with its own subfetishes, and it is distinct from the much more common "consensual non-consent" that a lot of BDSM relationships have.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 09:47 PM
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Like a girl not liking a guy going down on her or a guy grabbing her ass doesn't violate consent It does if she didn't consent to those things, but I'm not sure if that is the point you're making.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 09:42 PM
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Valid arguments like "If I wasn't at risk of being punched in the mouth I'd be the biggest asshole ever"? Or "This gentlemen, is the result of a bitch who never got punched in the mouth."? Or am I just missing an entire section where he successfully justifies domestic abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 09:29 PM
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I don't know any intelligent person who believes it's a good idea under any circumstances. Are you calling PantsonFire1234 and DarylDixonK and the other 23 TRPers who upvoted that post stupid? Because I'm right there with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 09:26 PM
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So you're not going to answer about the anarchists you supposedly ran with? You're dodging the question. As far as r/anarchism, this is what their sidebar says: "Anarchism is a social movement that seeks liberation from oppressive systems of control including but not limited to the state, capitalism, racism, sexism, speciesism, and religion. Anarchists advocate a self-managed, classless, stateless society without borders, bosses, or rulers where everyone takes collective responsibility for the h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 09:07 PM
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Then you're not looking in the right places. Since it is another country where it is much harder to actually make changes these discussions mostly take place in academic settings or at the high levels of politics. Then point me in the right direction then if your so sure feminists actually do this. I don't have academic access and politics wise there's a high chance of a language issue. I dunno, go audit a class at your local college about international women's rights or something. Or find a fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 08:50 PM
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Wait, so the anarchists you ran with didn't want to abolish government? They didn't believe in cooperative autonomy? You're going to have to classifyclarify, because if they called themselves anarchists but they didn't have anarchist beliefs, they were using the wrong term. (EDIT: typo)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 08:41 PM
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