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Your platitudes aren't going to impress or enlighten anyone here. I guarantee you most dudes here put in more work and faced more rejection than you think, and more than anyone who's actually succesful in dating has put in.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 12:04 AM
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Youre right bro, everyone who struggles dating should just become a celebrity, it's that easy. I can't believe no one ever thought of this before, thank you for opening our eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:46 PM
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Idk if you're messing with me or genuinely ignorant. His status was what got him ladies. The same guy who wasn't famous would be lucky to not die a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:42 PM
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Stephen Hawking was pretty smart and he couldn't figure out how to become a top athlete. Not all limitations can be overcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:37 PM
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Being physically attractive enough to have an easy time dating has very little to do with being smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:28 PM
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I wasn't arguing
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:22 PM
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If a man was attractive enough to get attractive 18-22 year old women when he was 18-22, as long as he doesn't age like absolute shit, he will also be attractive enough to get those women when he's in his 30s. Most 30 year old guys aren't fucking college chicks because they couldn't fuck them in college either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:20 PM
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I guess all my family and friends are in the top 20 percent Thats entirely possible. If you happen to be hot, your family would also be mostly hot, and it would explain why none of you struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:14 PM
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Women don't make dating appealing to anyone who's not significantly above average. ('Cute' as a guy doesn't cut it) Thats just how it is, there's no reason for them to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:12 PM
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How much depression and suicidal thoughts would you have if your partner left because he'd found out his partner who "carries herself well" isn't exactly who he thought she was ? Not saying it would happen, but I guarantee you he sleeps a little better at night knowing you haven't fucked around alot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 02:25 AM
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Yeah its really unfortunate. I guess many guys would be more than happy to end up with a woman like that so who am I to complain
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 01:34 AM
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Prisonners dilemma basically
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 12:17 AM
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In principle both men and women agree that leveraging things for sex is bad. Women don't want to be coerced into sex, and men don't want to have to resort to bargaining for sex. But then comes the issue that if people only had sex for the sake of having sex and not to get anything else out of it, 90% of men would die virgins. And trust me, it disguists me to say this, I genuinely wish women were as attracted to the average man as men are to the average woman, but that's simply not the case. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 10:23 PM
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Same way as I go about playing the lottery. Tbh if I met one I probably wouldn't believe her, too many liars out there
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 10:00 PM
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The scary thing is I've dated two women who fit most of that criteria and while they made decent partners, not only were they not virgins, one legitimately was very promiscuous (like I'd keep bumping into random guys in town and it would turn out she slept with them) and the other was less so but still had a bunch of ONS and casual hookups with athletes and other 'non relationship material' men in college, despite being adamant about only ever wanting relationships and never having been interest…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:28 PM
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Even under communism the women men want wouldn't magically become more attracted to them. There's no reason that to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:08 PM
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Be hot and don't cheat, that's literally it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:55 PM
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It's not underrated at all, it's a factor but it's not super important unless it's severe. I have what most would consider an attractive voice (kinda deep, naturally projected, eastern European accent) and the only people who comment are other men and gfs I've had scrambling hard to find things about me they think are attractive so I don't feel bad about all the actually hot men they used to fuck before they settled for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:50 PM
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And every man wants a woman who is truly attracted to him. Sadly that privilege is reserved to the same top X% of men who all women are truly attracted to. I'm willing to bet that there are as many relationships that were ended by the man who knew his woman wasn't truly attracted to him as there were by women who weren't truly attracted to their man. Oh well, it's sad but it's not really anyone's fault, we can't help our genetics or our oreferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:19 PM
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Giving up is one way of coping when theres no alternative. It almost takes some of the pain away. Most men don't reproduce in nature, giving up and dying would've been a mercy back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 11:10 PM
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You say 98% of people date, but most of those people are older, in the younger generations sexlessness and singlehood are skyrocketing, theres a reason for that. Even fit guys with average or slightly above faces are struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 10:43 PM
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Do you genuinely feel happy settling ? Does your girlfriend feel content being settled for? This isn't a trick question I just want your perspective. I've been in the boat of "lowering my standards" and it genuinely felt terrible. Coming home to a woman you're not attracted to (who probably isn't very attracted to you either) while going out and seeing women you actually feel something for felt like a prison. Being alone feels better because at least there's always a chance to find what you're l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 08:13 PM
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Modern guys are just a mess. How is it "modern guys" fault that women's sexual preferences simply exclude most men? Modern guys are no more of a mess than modern women, whether you're an average dude or a hot high status dude we all have the same natural drives and impulses, same applies to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 07:59 PM
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Nah nobody wants a skinny weak man. You'd be better off being chubby than skinny as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:49 PM
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Like I said, I've also been in relationships where it happens, so I've seen it from the inside. And you might say that the partner was unhappy all along and that it always just 'coincidentally' starts being expressed when a better option shows up, and I might buy that if I didn't see it happen time and time again. At best it's a token effort people use to tell themselves "well I tried" before going to fuck someone hotter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:52 PM
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Youre exactly right, but what you said originally made it seem like you're implying women only have sex in hopes of getting commitment back, hence my response saying thats not always the case. On a side note, women who use sex as leverage for commitment have no right to complain when men use commitment as leverage for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:38 PM
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95% of the time it means "not hot enough for the kind of people they're trying to get". The other 5% is mental illness or lack of job.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:25 PM
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The pattern I observe is it's always a happy relationship, then when a 'better' option is introduced, suddenly there's a bunch of problems and it deteriorates very quickly, until the relationship ends. So it just so happens that the relationship becomes unhappy as soon as one of the people gets a better deal elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:18 PM
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If that were true women wouldn't be knowingly going into hookups and ONS with guys they know off the bat aren't 'relationship material'. Women want to fuck just as much as men do, it's just their bar for that is higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:14 PM
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I agree with you in principle, maybe not necessarily on the first date but in the first few weeks of getting to know someone. Im always fully honest and expect the same in return, lying even about small things is a relationship ending dealbreaker for me. But I'm weird I think, in the sense that I want to know everything, but am also willing to share everything very quickly. As you can see by some of the comments, most people don't think like that, they don't want to know the whole truth right aw…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 02:30 PM
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All women are into casual sex with the right man, and 99.9% of men will never be that man for any woman. Not justifying lying but there's a reason it happens, same as there's a reason women like about their own pasts and intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 02:24 PM
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It's not 'okay' but people with options do it all the time anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 02:19 PM
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I'd be interested to know what the AI thinks is my 'league', so I'd accept for that if nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 02:18 PM
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Trust me I know very well the men who women most want to fuck and the men they most want to date are two different sets of men. I'm not sure how that contradicts my comment ?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 02:07 PM
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It's different for older generations. But I do hope you're right, I'm always happy to he proven wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 02:00 PM
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Are they afraid though, or just know they'll be rejected so their time is better spent elsewhere? Case in point, what happened to those 2 guys that approached her ?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 01:56 PM
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Because 80% of men are considered below average apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:38 AM
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If you can game prostitutes you probably don't need to resort to paying for sex to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:25 AM
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What's that threshold though for the average woman? Top 10% ? 1%?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:10 AM
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They all claimed to prefer the look of the homely one, but it was blindingly obvious that she was just less scary. That is simply false. Similar to how women would probably be more attracted to an everyday handsome guy over that Gigachad caricature, men would likely be more attracted to a normal looking cute girl than what from your description sounds like a stereotypical bimbo. They'd probably still pick a more 'natural' looking 10 though. On a subjective note, I've never experienced 'intimidat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:05 AM
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Tbh I agree that I see women do this way more than men but in the interest of being fair I chalk it up to women simply having more options.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:57 AM
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People will, without fail, leave their current partners if they think they can get feasibly an 'upgrade', even if their current relationship is great. Commitment, 'love', etc are bullshit terms we use to make ourselves feel better, but ultimately fall apart under pressure. I've been on both ends of this (someone leaving their bf trying to get with me, or someone leaving me and suddenly dating someone hotter a month later), and I've seen it from third person. Whenever I befriend a woman, I can pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:41 AM
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Not disagreeing, men should get fed brutal honesty from day one. I wish I was. And they will fight, and payimg taxes isnt how theyre going to do it. To think society would keep going in its relatively safe and stable manner in a world where most men know they'll die alone is absurd. But again, I welcome whatever consequences that brings.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 01:46 AM
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Idk where you're from but i grew up fairly poor and the dynamics are even worse for working class people. You pretty much have to be some sort of thug or tough guy and flash any bit of wealth you have if you want any female attention, and the women are way more outwardly hostile to their men for not being up to par compared to other men ("X's husband does this and that for you why can't ypu do that for me you loser")
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 01:21 AM
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I think it will become worse for the physically unattractive working poor, but the hot guys will still do fine. A hot poor guy will have a much easier time dating and fucking than a rich average guy. Obviously women will be fine regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 01:13 AM
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I've seen you post about how good of a life you have going for you, so clearly you have something to keep you going. Rising male suicide rates would beg to differ. That being said, im fully in favour of enlightening men to these harsh truths early on. It'll destroy us in the short run but maybe the aftermath will have some sort of solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 12:48 AM
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Nah cause then women wouldn't have ONS or even casual relationships with men who give them nothing but their dick in return, and tell no one about. They feel sexual desire same as men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 12:16 AM
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I guess that's just a matter of opinion. My point is most men around here do in fact try to achieve what they consider to be 'attractive' as much as is within their own power
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 12:03 AM
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Thats because there's more reward to women for their performance than ever before (sex with the hottest guys around vs just their husband previously) and less reward for men's performance (almost guaranteed rejection now vs at least some chance prior)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 11:56 PM
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Men aren't a monolith. But in my experience most men who struggle do put in effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 11:51 PM
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I'm just saying your advice doesn't work for most men. Like that old meme of Chris Hemsworth captioned "just go and say hi girls love that" lol. It'll probably just lead to even more resentment and frustration.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 11:49 PM
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Capitalize on what? Most men are sexual blanks to women at best. Getting hit on like you do is so incredibly rare that even if it happens once a year that still means you're noticeably above average in appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 11:44 PM
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No, the issue is men are sold this image of women as pure maidens, and grow up not knowing better. The other side of the coin is that this deliberate lie also benefits women and enables society to function. How many men would work jobs and pay bills if they knew their fate would just be to die alone without experiencing one of life's greatest pleasures?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 11:42 PM
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Even by your own admission you're a good looking man, your experiences are not applicable to most men. I mean you actually say you get hit on and women ask you to kiss them. I'm decent looking, and I know some men who are downright hot and they don't even get that kind of attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 11:38 PM
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Fair enough I can get behind that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 11:10 PM
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Same amount as a high school dropout's lack of ability to get a job as a doctor can be blamed on unwillingness to send resumes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 11:08 PM
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Because if a man is going to commit his whole life to a woman, the constant thought of of "my 'everything' who i spend my life loving and toiling for wouldn't have chosen me like she chose the hot guys when she was looking for sex," is poison to the relationship, and that resentment will never go away. Some guys might be fine with it, some aren't. In a sense it's not entirely logical, but neither are relationships and attraction. So at the end of the day, guys do care, whether it's justified or …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 10:44 PM
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Youre right that "work on yourself until someone settles for you" is terrible advice and won't curb resentment from a missed out youth, but that's literally the only option for lots of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 10:39 PM
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Seems like the whole point of FDS is to filter out lower value men who might pass off as high value. If anything, FDS gives even more power to the top fraction of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 10:17 PM
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Because paying for sex doesn't help you 'learn what works' in the context of real relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 10:08 PM
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Thats also true
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 10:04 PM
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At least you're honest
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 10:03 PM
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I'm not sure I follow. The top % of men being even less willing to commit doesn't mean women will suddenly start fucking the lower % of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:44 PM
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Point 3: Men being fuckboys is good for men because it allows us to gain sexual experience. We can pump and dump a few easy women or have "practice girlfriends". We can learn what works and what doesn't work via raw experience. And this is beneficial to us because women don't want inexperienced men anyways. Most men simply do not have this option (prostitutes don't count). Same for point 4, only the aforementioned top men have the option to be picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:33 PM
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Even after leaving, I guarded my n count and declined sexual situations that hey, maybe I would’ve enjoyed. Who knows. He’s told me that even as friends, I was a woman he respected, and I think that comes from how I carry myself. At the same time, I carry myself the way I do partially because I take pride in keeping a low n count. So it seems like the shaming directly benefitted you in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:20 PM
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They understand, they do not care. How many women go fuck famous athletes and artists knowing it's just a one time thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 08:24 PM
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I think this has been debated to death, and even women will agree that it's true to an extent, especially on initial interaction. Cue that one graph that asked people to independently rate a person's physical attractiveness and personality, and it was a linear relationship. I feel women respond more to your personality and how you carry yourself. Nah not more. If you're hot you can be bordering on autistic and even an asshole and women will still call you charming. If you're average looking, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 08:10 PM
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Thats not quite what I'm saying. I'm saying it's not uncommon for women to pursue hot men just for sex while passing over less attractive dudes, and then when they're looking to settle down they give those less attractive dudes a chance, even though they would've looked over them prior. Even if sex with those less attractive men is still good, many men wouldn't be content in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 07:30 PM
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Have you seen the horror stories of finding out the wife's past long into a relationship? It happens more than you'd think.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 07:08 PM
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Alright got it, thanks for sharing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 06:42 PM
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Bingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 06:41 PM
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Interesting, thanks for the input. Do you not consider fwb to be casual sex by the way?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 06:29 PM
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Again you're not wrong, but guys prioritize different things too. Maybe the cute guy gives her move overall fulfillment but less sexual fulfillment (even if it's still alot and she's fulfilled) than the hotter guys from the past. Most women would see this as a positive for the cute guy, most guys would call him a chump or at least not want to be in his place. It's all about what you expect to receive in a relationship, and women know that most men don't want to be with a woman who had someone se…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 06:21 PM
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I meant moreso how exactly "Low N Men > High N Men" etc. Do you mean for relationships, sex, morally, all of the above, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 06:11 PM
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What's your criteria ?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 05:52 PM
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Yeah indulging in fantasies and negativity doesn't help anyone. That being said, I think its best to distance oneself from the source of the resentment. You'll never fully 'accept' someone's past if it bothers you, so it's best for men to find women they don't resent if they intend to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 05:45 PM
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Youre mostly right, but I think some people are genuinely trying to lie to men. Imagine if women flat out said, "we're going to fuck the hot guys while we can but then when we're old and unattractive we'll come to settle for you, so please keep working on those careers to keep society moving and buying us shit", that wouldn't go over well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 05:38 PM
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It's true that it's stupid but the resentment will always be there. Especially if said woman would have rejected this man in her youth but now wants to settle down with him that she's older. It's not logical, but its like if you're poor and you have a rich friend. Even if they're a good friend, there's still going to be pangs of resentment and envy when you see them have it easier than you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 05:32 PM
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If you're parched in the desert water would probably seem like God's greatest reward for being alive too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 05:26 PM
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Why do I keep seeing this false statement of "men expect to have success with women while having shit physiques and boring lives etc etc"? This simply isn't true in the case of most "red pilled men" I see. Most dudes in these circles consistently go to the gym, work on their careers and socials skills, have hobbies and some even go as far as plastic surgery. The frustration comes from when you're shown that this simply isn't enough. It's even worse that the men who ACTUALLY have lots of success …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 05:03 PM
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Even for average guys, 2 girlfriends jn the span of a decade is common and I wouldn't call that them having "dates and girlfriends". And as for casual sex, not sure how thays relevant, obviously if average guys can get gfs it's even harder for them to get casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 11:17 PM
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Very sparingly, if at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 03:55 PM
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The average man's potential isn't that much though. If you can go from a 5 to a 6 that still basically means jack shit, speaking from experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 03:53 PM
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Whichever way we choose to call it, the outcome is still that average men are ultimately undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 03:37 PM
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I thought about it before. A common suggestion is sexbots but that won't do for the same reason porn and prostitutes doesn't do, even if it's just a one night stand or whatever most men still want some connection with a real human being and the validation that comes from someone choosing you as a partner, even for one night. The other solution is if we somehow get to the point where everyone can fully customize their bodies (and minds in cases of wanting ti cure mental issues), so that physical …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 03:33 PM
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I agree on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 03:26 PM
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Again it would depend on the individual. Plenty of men would be happy to compromise sexually (both in receiving and giving) for the sake of a loyal partner. Personally, I wouldn't as it's very important to me, but I guess that's up to the sexual market to decide. The sexual dynamics in the queer community are extremely different though. It's alot easier to have an open relationship when you can still get as much attention from others as you want even as an average guy. Even if both partners are …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 03:24 PM
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It varies person by person. Some men would be happy to accept that they're sexually inferior to their wife's past partners for the sake of companionship and etc, but some men clearly aren't. That's not really something you can convince someone of one way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 03:14 PM
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But why is this so hard for some men to accept? It's not hard to accept, most of us have accepted it, but that doesn't mean we're happy and willing to commit to women who make us work for something they gave to someone else for free. This doesn't mean anybody owes anyone anything, women don't owe men sex and men don't owe women commitment. The point of this thread was a 'solution' to the current dating climate, and I'm just saying it's not really a solution if one of the main issues still remain…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 02:59 PM
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Because for the average woman, the average man does seem below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 02:13 PM
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Different people see sex differently. Find someone who puts as much (or little) emotional weight in it as you do, that's your best shot at happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 02:06 PM
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The issue then becomes that some men will get sex without committing, which will leave the other men disgruntled that they had to offer something in return for sex from their partners, whereas other men got it without much effort. Thats kinda what it was like in societies where monogamy was strictly enforced. I guess the best outcome would be if you can choose your partner, but sex outside of marriage, cheating, and divorce are extremely heavily socially punished. Then everyone partners off with…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 02:05 PM
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This is the truth unfortunately. There's nothing that can be done, best you can do is everything in your power to make yourself more attractive and hope you're good enough for whoever you're trying to get. At least when our biology evolved, if you weren't near the top you had the mercy of dying early. Or at least a chance to move up the hierarchy if the top guy got killed in a hunt or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 02:01 PM
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Problem is that's only really a benefit if you're hot to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 01:21 PM
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Or as a reward for being lucky with their genes and upbringing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 01:00 AM
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Unless I'm misunderstanding, you're proposing that women reward men who 'deserve it' with sex, ie men who work to become the best version if themselves. I'm saying the world explicitly doesn't work like that, because someone who happens to get lucky and be born with the right attributes, can be a slob and still get laid way more than someone who doesn't have those attributes but works hard on himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 12:53 AM
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The reason men focus on the '20% unimportant' stuff you mentioned is because it's nearly impossible to significantly change the other stuff (face, height) that's actually important, so we do what we can.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 12:50 AM
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Really? My experience has been the exact opposite OP. I've always been baby faced with a small frame (even now that I put some muscle on I'm barely as big as a normal average dude). People say i look like timothy chalamet or shawn mendes lol. My whole life I've been hit on or complimented by older women, but women my age or younger barely have an interest in me. I'm almost 30 now and could pass for being in college still.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 12:39 AM
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I'm glad most people are disagreeing with this, for once both sides can agree on something (that sex shouldn't be held as a reward over men's heads). One thing I didn't see brought up, is that the natural human sex drive does not work well with your idea OP. You're attracted to someone not based on how close they are to the 'best' version of themselves, but based on objective factors often outside of their control. In that sense, a naturally ugly guy who has worked on his fitness and career will…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 12:35 AM
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This is actually probably the best dating advice I've seen on here. Listen to a man/woman who is most similar to you and is successful with the type of person you wish to attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 12:28 AM
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I agree. And I don't think it's because women are evil or deliberately lying (tho some might), I think its because what women see as 'good with women' isn't what men see it as. For women, a nice guy worthy of marriage and commitment is what they try to shape men into, for men, being the guy she has raw lust and passionate sex on the first date with is what they want to be. There is a fundamental disconnect in priorities here, which is why there's no point in 'asking the customer'. And that's not…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 12:12 AM
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So you're saying a guy can't be judged worthy or a hookup and a relationship, but only one or the other ?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 12:03 AM
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And there's nothing wrong with wanting things that others consider ridiculous. Women want to marry prince charming, men want to be prince charming, both are ridiculous and both are valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 09:13 PM
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Where the hell did I say that? What is with this sub and making up imaginary arguments. No, if a woman is uncomfortable with not being the hottest girl her boyfriend has been with, she should leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 09:12 PM
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Thats not what we're talking about, but also I don't agree with that. Idk what 'the sub' says, but I dont think women should settle for men who had more sex than they're comfortable with. If most women don't care as much, that's their prerogative.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:48 PM
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Well they shouldn't. No one should feel like they're being settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:38 PM
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I mean if she feels this way no one will fault her for leaving. Yet when the man feels like that, for some reason it's an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:33 PM
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Amen brother. My best relationship and longest thus far, we fucked within 5 minutes of meeting after talking on the phone for 2 weeks due to distance. Ironically, the two relationships that made me 'wait' were with two very promiscuous women who both ended with them cheating. This pretty much proves to me that no matter what anyone says here, if a woman makes you 'wait', it's never worth waiting for, and anyone who's genuinely attracted to you will fuck you early.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:44 PM
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Yeah, it's where a woman has sex with a man who she's more attracted to than the men she chooses to wait for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:27 PM
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You're right, but then it begs the question of why a woman would fuck one guy quickly and make the other one wait. You can try to justify it however you want, but the conclusion most guys come to will be 'because she's more attracted to the guy she fucked quickly', and most guys don't want to be the guy who had to wait. Like if you get hired at a workplace and find out the person before you got a nice sign on bonus (that you didnt), you'd inevitably assume your employers wanted to keep them more…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:17 PM
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'LTR' is literally in the title lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:11 PM
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Why would she need to be more attracted to you than anyone else though? Because that's what some guys want in a relationship. Why is this an issue for so many women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:10 PM
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I agree that he sounds like an idiot, because nobody would do thay. which is why I said a guy who's upset that his wife of 5 years made him wait for sex but fucked a bunch of guys quickly before, doesn't mean that all he wants from his wife is sex, which is the argument you're making.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:07 PM
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Someone who is interested in a genuine romantic relationships will not be mad, sad, or feel slighted if someone wanted to invest in the possibility of nurturing a romantic relationship, before having a sexual relationship. Not true No one who has the priority to find a romantic partner will prioritize sex over the foundational necessities to build a relationship. Sexual attraction is one of the foudnational necessities for many people. Natural sexual progression in the pursuit of a romantic rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:04 PM
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Nothing you said was correct but alright
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:59 PM
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Did you even read my post before responding, or are you responding to some imaginary arguments in your head that have nothing to do with what I said? I explicitly said 'long term partner'
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:56 PM
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I dont know who these 'guys' you keep talking about are, but don't put words in my mouth, cause i can blame you for some of the crazy shit 'you girls' say on here too. I explicitly said 'gfs' in my initial post, that implies some time investment more than 4 dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:55 PM
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Where did I start pushy? If a girl is genuinely attracted to a guy, he doesn't have to be 'pushy', sex will happen naturally and quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:53 PM
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Again, that just shows he just wanted pussy, and he actually found her to be extremely boring and dull. He just put up with her personality in the hopes of getting quick sex. I have no idea where you're getting this from, it's so inaccurate to how most men think. Why would he stick around for months or years if thats all he wanted ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:52 PM
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That’s a great indicator that he just wanted instant pussy and lied about his intentions. If he actually liked her, he wouldn’t give a shit. All this is showing is that vetting by “with holding sex” is very effective. Those two statements are in direct contradiction. So she withheld sex, and still wasted years of being with a guy who supposedly only wanted sex. Not to mention those are both wrong statements to begind with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:50 PM
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Youre right, but there's also nothing wrong with people who don't want to date someone who had a 'ho phase' or used to sleep around.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:37 PM
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I wouldn't say I 'follow trp' but if somebody I care about asks me my opinion on a certain topic I'll answer honestly. Same as I 'follow' any particular political party but if somebody asks me about policies I'll answer in a way which they might put me into some box.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:08 PM
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Thats 100% wrong. Plenty of guys who love their gfs and wanted a serious relationship with them from the beginning get disenheartened when they find out she hooked up with other guys quickly after making their current partner wait. I've been in that boat before. Hell personally, I'd care less if a casual hookup or fwb makes me wait, because I dont care if she sees me as less 'deserving' than other guys she fucked on the first date, but I'd be upset if the person I have some actual investment in …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:00 PM
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This line of thinking is absolutely backwards to how most men think and this is why men who find out their long term partner had ONS and casual sex before, but made them wait for some amount of time, get inevitably upset and feel like they are less attractive. I dont care how you view this, understand that for men, if you fuck one guy quick but make the other guy 'work for it' , you are inevitably putting out the message that the first guy is inherently more valuable than the second guy who has …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 05:54 PM
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I've made a short 5 minute survey regarding the self improvement habits and motivations of PPD users. here is the link. I will let it run until 7th/Feb and then do some basic charts. I also intend to publish the raw data. It is by no means perfect or objective in every way, it's mostly about how people judge themselves. If I'm missing anything or something is wrong, please let me know. I added a question about 'acts of service' as per the suggestion of a user. You can see the results here in rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 10:41 PM
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Definitely the onlyfans girl. Maybe if the other one had less than 10 partners it would be less of an obvious choice. That being said I wouldn't turn down a girl just for having OF or just for being with 30-40 guys, even though it would be a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 10:39 PM
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Alright, thanks for your input. This is by no means a super accurate scientific study, I mostly just wanted to see how many people on PPD actually put effort (or think they do) into making themselves more desirable in some way. Most of the non-self improvement questions are just for curiousity more than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 01:53 PM
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Yeah and most people rate themselves as objectively way above average lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:37 AM
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I've made a short 5 minute survey regarding the self improvement habits and motivations of PPD users. here is the link. I will let it run until 7th/Feb and then do some basic charts. I also intend to publish the raw data. It is by no means perfect or objective in every way, it's mostly about how people judge themselves. If I'm missing anything or something is wrong, please let me know. I added a question about 'acts of service' as per the suggestion of a user. You can see the results here in rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 12:36 AM
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He's kinda bug eyed but he has a good jaw and decent face overall. I can see someone being attracted to that if they notice those features more than the eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 12:11 AM
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Yeah that sounds about right. Tbh I imagine if I was a woman I'd love that kinda stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 12:06 AM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:13 PM
2

Interesting. Wonder why they wouldn't just use some girls pictures not from the area.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:41 PM
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Did the fake account use your real name ? I recently matched with a girl I used to know, but she still has pics of her bf on Instagram, even though its from years ago. But she also has pics of her ex from before that one. So I'm not sure if it's a catfish account or what, cause it has her real name and university, but if it is it might be a good idea to tell her.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:30 PM
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Alright thanks, that's pretty much what I expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 07:25 PM
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What's the guys name ? I split wood all the time, maybe I'll open a tiktok too lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 06:50 PM
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Ive heard that before. I wonder if he was played by a less handsome (or even average looking) actor, if women would still find him as attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 06:40 PM
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Ideally he’s got a lot of muscle like a LOT but it’s under a nice comfortably thick layer of pudge. He’s probably overweight or even obese (because muscle) by BMI standards but he’s physically very capable and he can throw me around like a rag doll. BIG meaty masculine (but well maintained) hands and feet. I like a softer sweeter face on a man. Pretty eyes, full lips, of course the facial features are in good balance. I don’t mind imperfect teeth, in fact a crooked smile can be very endearing. ​…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 04:44 PM
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We never seem to agree on anything so yeah you might be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 04:36 PM
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Yes, this was before. She did express disappointment at how he fell of.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 04:34 PM
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My ex was obsessed with Mr. Darcy from pride and prejudice, and also Henry Cavil as the Witcher. Also Heath Ledger for whatever reason. A different ex liked one of the guys from some vampire show (not twilight, Blood something maybe). Yet a different one it was Marylin Manson. Another one it was Will Smith and Adam Sandler. So basically who the fuck knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:30 PM
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I think he's asking what makes a women actively horny/lustful for a certain man, in the same way that seeing a good body on a woman makes men be overcome with lust for her to the point of wiling to pay money just to look at her.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:26 PM
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Nah I just want someone around my level, physically and mentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:21 PM
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I think you'd be hard pressed to find a man making money just off his looks the same way women can (IE instagram, onlyfans, twitch), at least not from straight women. I'm not sure what the male equivalent of that would be. Maybe somebody who plays a persona very well, IE a handsome celebrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:17 PM
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I think I am misunderstanding something. Are you referring to your partner having a high/low SOI or you yourself having it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 05:05 PM
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I don't see your point; regardless of your sociosexual orientation your partner could leave you for someone else. If anything, high SOI means you're more okay with the idea of an LTR falling apart because you're more willing to replace your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 04:36 PM
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Women from poor areas prefer more masculine men. Make of that what you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 04:25 PM
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Alright I see.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 04:18 PM
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If you're getting rejected all the time you're not getting approached either. The other way around is not necessarily true.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 04:06 PM
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What exactly is DQing? I dont know man I know a guy who has worse social skills than me but is really attractive and women literally come up to him at bars and chat him up. Maybe if you're straight up mentally ill it makes a bigger difference but not if you're just shy or awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 04:03 PM
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By low end guys were you referring to physically low end, or overall? I think older guys just tend to accept things as they are, not necessarily because they move up in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:57 PM
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I agree they're not attracted to the average guys, unfortunately I don't think there's a remedy for that that both sides would be truly content with. The second paragraph thing makes sense, I never thought of it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:49 PM
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I think average guys do want to be serious, but like I said in my other post, average girls don't seem to want them for that. And then there's the issue of guys not wanting to be with girls who wpuldnt give them a chance in their 'had their fun' phase but are now looking for a provider on their level.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:29 PM
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I'd argue most men here are in the average range, give or take. Anger usually comes from a feeling of unfairness, tuly bottom of the barrel guys wouldn't be delusional enough to think they should have much success dating, whereas average guys might think they should have more than nothing. I think the big thing is the perception (whether true or not) that women's preferences shifted to become much more about immutable characteristics. Whereas average guys might feel that in the past, being a car…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:25 PM
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Interesting, don't think I've heard people say men do it. Care to elaborate ?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:12 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:09 PM
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How would it imply the opposite?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:09 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Tinder/comments/shp3ch/why_not_i_bet_if_you_had_some_preferences_just/ Thoughts? Shows AF BB is true at least for some women IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 01:53 PM
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129 masculine, 89 feminine
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 12:34 PM
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I find probably 99% of female celebrities attractive as long as they're under 50 and thin. That being said top picks would be Hailey Williams, Emilia Clarke and Emma Roberts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 12:11 PM
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Yeah I wasn't quite sure how to do it. I debated just putting down descriptors such as 'below average, average, above average, hot' etc but I was sure it'd just turn out that 90% of people are 'above average'. Seems like it's turning out that way anyway lmao. So I thought if I put down the /r/truerateme system along with their guidelines (IE a 6 is the hottest out of 15 people or whatever etc) it might give a move objective rating, though still not ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 09:20 PM
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That's fair, I tried to focus on mostly things people would feel like they need to actively cultivate, regardless of natural talent. Do you have any suggestions how I could reasonably control for what you're saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 09:07 PM
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yeah on this scale 10s and 1s barely exist in reality, and 2s and 9s are as rare as our Chris Hemsworths or even rarer.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 09:03 PM
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I'm going by a scale similar to /r/truerateme. It's the closest thing to an 'objective' rating system anyone agrees on, so I went by their guidelines too. But you're right, I guess I assumed most people would rate themselves as 4-6, , but I should've adjusted it so that 1-9 encompasses 95% of the population, instead of 3-7.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 09:03 PM
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I've made a short 5 minute survey regarding the self improvement habits and motivations of PPD users. here is the link. I will let it run until 7th/Feb and then do some basic charts. I also intend to publish the raw data. It is by no means perfect or objective in every way, it's mostly about how people judge themselves. If I'm missing anything or something is wrong, please let me know. I added a question about 'acts of service' as per the suggestion of a user. You can see the results here in rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:43 PM
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I dont remember how that was addressed in the book but essentially everyone sticks to people similar to themselves. So disabled people would be with other disabled people. The point is in the book everyone was engineered to be happy with what they have, regardless of social rank.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 05:02 PM
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IMO society is going to collapse in some way (whether due to an internal revolution or external occupier) and we will revert to a hyper conservative social order. I'm not saying that's good, I don't even want that necessarily, but that seems to be how things go. In the short term though monogamy is definitely going to become less common for the average person. Prostitution will become more common, as we can already see with the rise of Onlyfans and the like. Honestly Brave New World wouldn't eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 01:39 PM
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Thats a deal breaker
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 12:06 PM
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Hell yeah get 'er done, good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 12:04 AM
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I did include questions about empathy and friendliness, things that would typically fall under more 'feminine' behavior. Regarding housework and cooking, I could add that, thanks for the suggestion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 11:38 PM
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I assure you a '666' is not automatically a 'Chad', let alone someone women will willingly share long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 11:36 PM
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It's okay for them to do whatever they want, there's just no guarantee that their prospective partners are going to accept it.
/r/RedPillWomen30/01/22 11:27 PM
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I'm open to suggestions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 11:24 PM
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Be upfront. Men will only feel like you're playing them if you fucked 10 guys beforehand but now you're suddenly waiting for marriage. If you're genuinely a virgin, like minded men will he willing to wait.
/r/RedPillWomen30/01/22 08:31 PM
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And everyone here is calling your post bullshit. Guess we're at an impasse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:29 PM
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My buddy is 6'4 with a good face and only selfies. He matches with 80% of women he swipes on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:26 PM
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Right, bad wording on my part. What I meant was, one fuckup and most women will walk out on the guy who's less hot, while excusing any sort of fuckups from hotter guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:19 PM
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Alright that's what I figured. The data was just misleading in a way that makes it seem like 50 year old men are more attractive than 20 year old men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:01 PM
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Everyone knows this OP. Looks gets your foot in the door, personality makes you stick around etc but none of that matters if you can't get your foot in the door. But on top of that, if you're hot, you can get away with being an unsufferable asshole, while less attractive guys (even if still attractive) need to walk on eggshells. If you could only invest in one or the other, your appearance is the best investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 07:58 PM
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That's what I'm saying. They're saying they accounted for people being desirable by desirable people (the PageRank thing). By that logic it should show men are most desirable in their 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 07:53 PM
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I find it hard to believe 50 year old men are more desirable than 20 year old men in online dating contexts as presented in your first study. If going by the second study, men, whether 20 or 50 will be going for 20 year old women, so the men who are most desirable to those most desirable women should be the most desirable overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 07:40 PM
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I typed all this shit out before noticing this thread was for women, so I'll post it here, not to waste the effort. I dated my second ex for 4 years without any physical attraction to her. She was objectively cute, I just could not get turned on by her. I don't know what compelled me to start dating her. She had a legitimately terrible home life so I guess some part of me wanted to 'save' her, so she lived with me and my parents for a while. We'd go for months without fucking, and I genuinely di…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 07:34 PM
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What the fuck. I actually fell for the initial image too. Thanks for sharing the original. I don't know if that OP image is a joke or genuine blackpill demoralization propaganda. They used their actual usernames too, god damn.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 07:20 PM
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This is true, my ex was a fit yoga thot with those measurements. You couldn't imagine a more perfect body.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 07:08 PM
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A floor sander might not be a bad idea, just don't try to the whole thing with a palm sander which is pretty much what I'm doing, lmao. Yeah painting/ finishing is actually fun. You see results instantly and a smooth finish is so satisfying.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 07:02 PM
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I agree that anyone who complains the other sex is shallow but won't put effort into their appearance is a dipshit. That being said, I don't believe that a significant amount of men (at least on PPD) falls into that particular category. Ironically, the only guy I've known who actually embodies that stereotype (I mean the dude threw an emotional fit when I offered to take him to the gym with me in response to his constant bitching about not getting pussy), ended up getting a fiancé in his late 20…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 06:50 PM
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I agree with you but to play devil's advocate, I'm an average looking guy and I also swipe left on 95% of women. Maybe the algorithm just determined I'm low ELO but god damn, most women there are not even remotely in shape. Maybe it's just the backwater where I live, people do say big cities are better for that kinda thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 06:37 PM
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I think the assumption is those men will be better looking in their 30s than 20s due to whatever reasons. You hear stories of guys wasting their 20s being fat slobs and getting ripped in their 30s and going on a fuck-bender with much younger women. Another option is waiting until you have enough money to afford plastic surgery. I don't think those men deliberately wait until they're older to score with younger women, rather they can't score now and hope their looks or sex appeal will improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 06:25 PM
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I had some free time so I offered to finish the first level for my parents, boy was that a mistake. I had to level the concrete before laying down floors. Spent 6 hours on my knees last night with a tiny 4.5" hand grinder and barely made a dent in all the highs the contractor left. lmao. I love to DIY as much as I can but sometimes it's better to hire someone else to do it. Or at least get good tools for the job.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 06:18 PM
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It's a match in the sense that they're both objectively on the same looks level. Doesn't mean they're both happy with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 05:34 PM
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Attractiveness is how we biologically sense health and virility, which are directly tied to age. Lifestyle habits being equivalent, a younger adult will always be healthier than an older one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 05:19 PM
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I've made a short 5 minute survey regarding the self improvement habits and motivations of PPD users. Here is the link. I will let it run for a week and then do some basic charts. I also intend to publish the raw data. It is by no means perfect or objective in every way, it's mostly about how people judge themselves. If I'm missing anything or something is wrong, please let me know. You can see the results here in real time. Thank you to everyone who participates. Spread it around to anyone you …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 05:12 PM
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I think you'll find more men who are 6 feet tall with 6 figure salaries and dicks than women with 0 body count and 0 dress size.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 05:10 PM
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I'll look into it, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 03:46 PM
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I'm more interested in people's self improvement habits and motivations, rather than very specific objective measures (IE income, physical attributes) I suppose I could also include an option to list the things you included, though I'm hoping that won't be overkill for this specific survey.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 03:46 PM
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Appreciate the honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 01:18 PM
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Thank you, I'll check it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 01:14 PM
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I'm looking to conduct a survey on PPD about self improvement. I want to sort it by male, female, ideology-pill, and various self improvement methods they've undertaken such as fitness related, personality related, and different actions such as changing location. Anyone want to suggest a good data gathering website, preferably free, where this can be set up? It would be good if it can relate the data points to each other too, or if there's a way for the user to do that. I'd like to also be able …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 11:50 AM
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Apps like Tinder and Hinge give straight men unfettered access to women – and a new sense of boldness through a seemingly endless set of options Further proof that when women complain about 'men', they're taking out the issues they have with the top X% of men on all other men. I guess Instagram brings out the worst in women too because Adrianna Lima won't respond to my DMs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 11:40 AM
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Honestly people's fetishes being polar opposite to their everyday beliefs seems more common than the other way. I can't provide any data on this, but it seems like the more extreme the beliefs, the more extreme the fetishes are too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 11:02 AM
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I go for anyone I'm attracted to, I don't think my standards are unreasonable. I understand there's risk and I don't really care. Not to sound dramatic, but knowing that I could one day get the surgery is the only thing that stops me wanting to blow my brains out every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 01:00 AM
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I assure you I'm not attractive enough in any way that matters. Women respond to looks just as much as men do, so I dont think it's effeminate to get surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 12:49 AM
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Because I wish to be more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 12:44 AM
3

It's a type of adult orthodontic work, look it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 12:41 AM
2

Yeah I'm thinking MSE and jaw filler.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 12:37 AM
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It's a damn shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 12:24 AM
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Online dating. Tinder, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 12:02 AM
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East coast of Canada, though I'm not from here. 1 of the girls in question was from Midwestern USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 12:02 AM
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Same here. Though because I'm a fucking moron, every so often I meet a girl and tell myself she's worth letting my guard down for, and get burned. Let this be a lesson to any man reading this, the minute you go soft on her she's going to fuck someone behind your back.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 12:00 AM
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Thats not uncommon. I've been through the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 11:56 PM
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I've been heartbroken multiple times. Going through the worst one yet as of right now. Seems like I'm always drawn to this godforsaken place when it happens. What am I doing to recover? Hitting the gym, saving up for plastic surgery, and working on some of my hobbies such as woodworking and guitar. Other than that, OLD though that has been fruitless so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 11:54 PM
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If I had a good relationship, I'd choose that over a job. I've moved for a relationship before, even if it meant not getting the job I want for a very long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 08:43 PM
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Not necessarily, but even in the cases it's true, it's the traits that are arousing rather than the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 03:16 PM
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I addressed that in my comment to peacock below.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 03:15 PM
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No problem
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 02:11 PM
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Possibly, though even though my last ex wasn't 'objectively' the most attractive woman, to me she was as sexually attractive as any celebrity or girl on the street. At the very least, I'd want to be the most sexually attractive to her out of anyone she has fucked or tried to fuck. Like I said though how attractive I find her is less important that how attractive she finds me. I'm okay with dating a woman who I'm less attracted to than an ex of mine for example, but if she's not okay with that it…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:41 PM
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Some men might be fine with it, but I'm not. Personally I'd rather die alone. Until we're able to directly enter someone else's mind, we can only judge a person's motivations by their behavior. Is she fucking me because she has real lust for me lile she did for her ex or is it just duty sex? I can't truly know. But I do know that for every woman out there there's a guy she will fuck with no expectation of anything in return but sex, and if I'm about to dedicate my life to a woman, I better be th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:30 PM
1

I wouldnt say that personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:15 PM
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If that were true men wouldn't care about being beta bux as long as they go some duty sex and their wife was respectful enough to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:10 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 11:52 PM
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My response was talking about the men who are struggling to find women because of something to do with their physical attribute. I know, i was talking about that too. But I’ve seen quite a lot of men on here try to claim that Chad makes no effort on his looks, it’s all genetics, it’s a waste to go to the gym because muscles don’t change facial features. I see what you're saying but it doesn't mean they don't go to the gym for example. Knowing the futility of something doesn't always mean you don…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 11:48 PM
2

Porn stars apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 11:37 PM
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But how do you know that men who know women care about looks don't put effort into their looks? I don't know what every guy on PPD looks like but one would assume they put effort into their appearance. The only men who I know IRL that look like trash are also the ones who don't think women care about looks. I will grant you that many people attribute hot men's success mostly to their genetics specifically because they've been putting lots of effort into their appearance with no success. Doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 11:35 PM
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They recognize that women may not be attracted to them but then they don’t care enough to put in an effort. Where did you get that from? You'd be hard pressed to find a 'red pill' man here who doesn't take care of his appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 11:27 PM
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I can't speak for all men, but if a woman I'm with doesn't find me sexually desirable, that's a deal breaker, whether that's a hookup or relationship, even if she still fucks me for some other reason. If I somehow find out she finds other men more sexually attractive, whether her exes or strangers, that's also a deal breaker. I think lots of men here agree, otherwise nobody would have a problem with being the provider beta bucks hubby. ​ I see a lot of posts here that seem to equate a woman’s va…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 11:23 PM
1

Ive addressed this in other comments
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:27 PM
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What this guy said is right
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:20 PM
1

I suppose extreme lifts can also be obvious, and alot of makeup subtle, but that's beside the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 09:41 PM
1

The original comment went explicitly against this advice for women. Are you even reading the comment chain you're replying to?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 09:38 PM
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Has nothing to do with what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 09:26 PM
1

I was talking about women who are struggling
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 09:23 PM
2

Sure and money isn't one of them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 09:20 PM
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It is for some of my exes, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:20 PM
2

Yet surprisingly common
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:11 PM
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It's like makeup. Technically deceptive but whatever floats your boat.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:06 PM
15

Using it as a bargaining chip is one overt example. IE "I'll fuck you if you do X" or "I'll withhold sex if you don't do X", though usually presented in more subtle ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 06:51 PM
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Cheating or showing intent to cheat such as flirting with other men, using sex as a weapon or leverage, lying about major things (her past being the biggest one usually), inciting violence from other men that I then have to take care of.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:52 PM
4

Alright fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:13 PM
19

Gonna have to disagree. I know average to 'cute' girls who fucked professional athletes and musicians, and even more that just fucked their local college athletes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:08 PM
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Because on average most men don't have women who just want them for sex, so they leverage what they can offer (the possibility of an LTR) to get what they otherwise couldn't (sex). Not saying it's right, but that's the why.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:06 PM
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I'm not sure what your question is. Men get sexual attraction less, but they value it more. Most men have some options to date them, but they know women want them for emotional or financial stability and comfort, rather than raw lust, and those same women wouldn't fuck them without commitment, even though they would fuck other guys without commitment. It's literally being the lust/good genes/AF guy vs stability/provider/BB guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:55 PM
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Hell no, I don't want anyone to do that. I just thought it was curious to see advice commonly given to men, be rejected when applied to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:47 PM
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Fair enough, I was just under the impression we were talking about genuine attraction here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:38 PM
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Isn't that exactly what people tell men to do if they're struggling to get the women they want? Even the above average men who just want a girl on their level.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:34 PM
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Money doesn't illicit genuine sexual desire. Women wouldn't fuck those men if they didn't think they could have a piece of the pie in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:24 PM
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I see. Maybe after a certain point it does become boring. I'd guess biologically speaking an ideal situation is a man has a handful of long term partners he invests in, while still being able to fuck a bunch of other women without investment. That's hard to pull off at the same time so maybe he switches between one and the other. Just a guess though, I'm not sold on that idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:11 PM
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I knew I shouldn't have added the 'fuck' part, now everyone ignores the first thing I said. What I meant was that the average man will find the average woman attractive enough to date, and at the same time top tier men out of her league would still be willing to fuck her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:06 PM
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If that's how you want to put it, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:05 PM
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Agree to disagree on the first point. As for the second one, like I said the caveat for 'average' is that people take equivalent care of themselves. So if all men and all women were fit, the average man would find the average woman attractive, but not vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:02 PM
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Agree to disagree then.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:58 PM
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Again, most men would still find those average women attractive enough to date. And even more men would find them attractive enough to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:47 PM
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Thats possible, but you see plenty of people here lament how women seuxality is 'restricted by slut shaming', so you could argue there's social pressure in the reverse. The environment I agree with but that falls under 'options' too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:46 PM
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Yeah, late 20s, which is common for when lots of people begin to 'settle down', which also coincides with a noticeable decline in looks for many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:30 PM
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The men complaining are usually not the ones who do the male equivalent of whatever they're complaining about. For example, the 'male equivalent' of fucking around in your 20s and settling down in your 30s is only accessible to the most attractive men, so the average dude complaining isn't really partaking in it. ​ How do men here say they find the "average" woman attractive, yet they don't want to date a woman who's too overweight... when that "is" the average in the US? This is a side note but…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:27 PM
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If you want to be generous, you can say people's priorities shift as they become older, they don't care about having fun as much anymore and become more serious, interested in family and stability. If you ask me that's a crock of bullshit, and is a result of people's dwindling options as they age. A combination of self deception and conscious lying out of fear of being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:13 PM
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Some women might say otherwise, but I guarantee on average good looking guys making an working-class salary have far more success with women than average looking rich guys with good jobs. Status on the other hand has more merit than income IMO, but it's much harder to earn the kind of status that attracts women, IE being a musician who gets good gigs, rather than being a manager in some accounting firm. So by definition, these super high status men would be exceptions and outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:12 PM
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If I could I would lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:46 AM
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Every man wants a Virgin supermodel who has no eyes for any other man and fucks him 5 times a day. Every woman wants a male model millionaire bad boy with a sensitive side that can have any woman in the world but only wants her. No shit, people's ideals are not realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:42 AM
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I am an engineer, there is not a single woman I work even remotely close with. My ex was a veterinarian, and the only man she worked with was a 50 year old gay man. You can see the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:24 AM
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I do get what you're saying. Just for my own curiosity, has that impacted you or have you experienced that in any real manner IRL? Like I said, the way I see it, it's mostly undesirable men who are frustrated, so I don't imagine it has much actual impact on women. I suppose I could be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:20 AM
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I agree, no human should be pedestalized. From your original comment it seemed like you took offense to men no longer seeing women as pure angels, hence my response.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:10 AM
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Look at that, we can actually agree on something. How nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:03 AM
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You can complain but you're complaining about something which in the next sentence you say you don't care about lmao I never needed you to be anything. It was mostly women who perpetuate this myth. If it was up to me everyone would grow up knowing exactly how not pure you can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:53 AM
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Boys grow up into men. The number isn't small, but it's not anyone women care about. Not sure why you're complaining then.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:48 AM
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A bunch of undesirable men venting their frustrations online has no impact on women. The dudes that women want already knew women's true nature, so nothing changes there. If anything, now you have to deal with less 'creeps' anyway. So other than having a few less orbiters to take advantage of, what's the 'fallout' here exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:39 AM
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The fallout of men no longer simping for women (as much) and no longer falling for their 'fair gender' bullshit? How tragic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:30 AM
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Maybe you personally didn't. Plenty of women take full advantage of said pedestal and perpetuate the idea further.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:14 AM
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I guess the whole 'loss of privilege feels like oppression' thing comes to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:08 AM
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I think men and women are equally shallow, women just have way, way more options so they're far more picky. If men suddenly had as many options as women, im sure they're become more 'shallow' too. The other thing is boys are raised to believe that women are pure and don't care about 'brute' things like looks as much and that only men are sex obsessed freaks. Then when they find out women are just as horny, imagine their frustration.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 12:48 AM
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Recent ones
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 11:44 PM
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What about all the women who fuck athletes and Rockstars who aren't necessarily hot
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 11:21 PM
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This is pretty much how I always thought women see looks vs money. Good to see someone actually say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 11:05 PM
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Im still not convinced that money elicits genuine sexual desire the same ways appearance, or even charisma and status do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:46 PM
1

Still better than getting literally cucked
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:38 PM
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I'd rather be in a dead bedroom situation than getting cucked. At least I can leave with my pride, rather than knowing I've been kissing lips that just sucked another dick for however many months or years.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 08:09 PM
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Sure but its more likely to feel those things if you get cheated on rather than broken up with up front.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 07:58 PM
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Right on man
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 05:13 PM
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I didn't say what you think I said. I said *IF* you recognize yourself as having low value, you would also recognize that a woman interested in you has low standards. I disagree with you that everyone is inherently valuable in the dating market. Again, if some fat incel lamets that he doesn't have the same dating success as a millionaire male mode, everyone rightfully calls him out on it, because people recognize the different in value there. If you tell me these men are equally 'valuable' to wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 05:00 PM
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I didn't come up with it. That's how I've seen the term applied.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 04:58 PM
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Most men already shame simps, the simps don't care. Not saying we should stop but it might not change.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 04:44 PM
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The Jason one is more what I had in mind. Or Eddie Hall, or this guy https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/lumberjack-veteran-muscular-woodcutter-work-45088278.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 04:42 PM
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My experience hasn't been as drastic as yours but I'm gonna agree about bodyfat. My face looks fucking goofy when I go above 15%-18%. I've never been below 10% either though so maybe that's why.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 04:36 PM
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I always thought 'dad bod' was just muscular with a bit extra bodyfat. Like a strongman competitor.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 04:33 PM
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Because if you get broken up with, your partner is being honest and upfront about it. It's new and upsetting information, but it doesn't give you a reason to doubt everything you've known about them and your relationship previously. Cheating on the other hand is by definition tied to lying, so if your partner lied about that, you can reasonably assume they've lied about anything or everything else, and can put years of your life into question. It can happen more than once because you can trust m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 04:26 PM
1

Alright fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 04:10 PM
1

You can argue that if they "just have sex", they won't leave you or that they can always use protection and whatnot, but we don't live in an ideal world, we live in a world where people fuck up regularly and where we might never know whether another person is honest or not. Just curious, when you say this, are you implying that if they 'just have sex' and won't leave you, it's less bad or even acceptable?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 04:00 PM
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But if you recognize that you're objectively low value, why would a woman be interested other than having low standards herself? Everyone has value a a human being, but not in dating. Same as not everyone has equal value in all jobs, say sports or medicine, some people are just better or more qualified for the job, dating is the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 03:51 PM
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The breaking of trust and betrayal is so traumatizing because it shatters some part of your world view and might even shake up the foundation of how you see yourself as a person. It forces your mind to restructure itself on some level, which is especially bad if you've developed a comfortable, stable model of the world around you. Other reasons that tie in to what I said above, is that the subject of your affection has shown you objective proof that you are not good enough for them. Obviously ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 03:46 PM
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I can't imagine that being true tbh. Most men would kill to be chased the same way they have to chase women. If it wasn't true, hot guys wouldn't fuck all the women throwing themselves at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 03:36 PM
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Fair enough, like I said I can't comment on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 03:15 PM
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I get that men could be lying, but presumably women go by feeling. If my 'technically above average' equipment feels the same as every other guy she's been with, and the pattern repeats for every woman I've been with (that I asked at least) then it makes me skeptical about the reported average. Unless it takes like 2+ inches difference to feel it. Anecdotally, my last ex said she's been with one guy who had a 3 inch dick and one who had 9, and she claimed she measured. The odds of that would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 03:13 PM
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I can't speak to that personally (yet), but there are societies out there where high status men have multiple wives, harems, numerous concubines, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 03:06 PM
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At least in the short term, females are very much willing to share. I can speak from personal experience and I'm not even close to being any type of 'Chad'.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 03:01 PM
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Go on any self improvement or fitness forum and you'll find plenty of people doing it for you already.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:58 PM
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Yeah I never trust those. I'm supposedly noticeably above average, but most women I've been with said it's average. Either it's sampling bias or the studies are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:56 PM
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The only extent to which 'be yourself' is good advice is in a Daoist 'wu-wei' sense. IE effortless action, flow state, etc. Being so fully immersed in whatever you do (whether an activity, talking to women, etc) that you don't overthink it and thing just fall into place. It doesn't mean you have to accept your deficiencies and settle. ​ Have you ever had a girl like you just for who you are without you having had to bullshit, posture, act stoic, lift heavy weights, etc? Has a girl liked you just…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:49 PM
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If either all women or men refuse to 'settle down' society will collapse, full stop. Our entire system is based on people creating and supporting families. What will happen is the country in question will get taken over one way or another. Either by some outside force or by a revolution, and establish a new social order, probably a hyper conservative one because it's been shown in times of chaos people want extreme stability. I don't think that's a good outcome btw, but I also don't think it wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:40 PM
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No. I bust my ass in the gym/kitchen so I'd expect the person I'm with to at least not become fat
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 01:58 PM
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I question that women prefer restricted men even though unrestricted men's faces are associated with more masculinity. As for why men prefer unrestricted it's probably because the increase in sexual avalibility offsets the risk, though that can change if the man knows the woman sleeps around.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 01:55 PM
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I'm gonna agree with this guy sadly. It's disguising to see the shit a large portion of men will put up with for the slightest taste of the lowest quality pussy you can imagine. The existence and success of onlyfans and titty streamers should tip you off too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:53 PM
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I'm gonna agree with this guy sadly. It's disguising to see the shit a large portion of men will put up with for the slightest taste of the lowest quality pussy you can imagine. The existence and success of onlyfans and titty streamers should tip you off too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:53 PM
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Yeah man just gotta adapt, it's all we can do. Thanks for engaging, good talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:28 PM
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Right on brother
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 08:35 PM
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Good luck bro you'll figure something out. There's always chemical 'enhancement' if you're really desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 08:21 PM
1

I'm sure you can use that cash to find something that works for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 08:07 PM
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Well I'm at a loss. Maybe experiment with different foods. 3000 calories of meat is not the same as 3000 calories of pasta etc. And mayve find a different doctor or specialist
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 08:01 PM
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At what point do you start losing weight? Calories wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 07:55 PM
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Youre right, to me personally that just shows that (some) women do exhibit dual sexual behavior, and just because a woman dates and sleeps with a man doesn't mean she's sexually attracted to him. So the practical takeaway that I see is 1. Men are best to improve themselves to be more viable sexual (rather than provider type) partners if they want loyalty in relationships. And 2. Vet the woman they're dating for being genuinely attracted to the man. How one does that is a different topic. Youre w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 07:53 PM
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The article I posted actually cites the one you shared, and it addresses the criticisms presented to the dual mating studies. They still hypothesize that there's some evidence for some women exhibiting this behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 07:42 PM
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Fair enough but again, how do you fix that? I can't imagine a fix other than going back to pre industrial times.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 07:22 PM
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Damn thats rough, 4k-5k on a sedentary lifestyle and you can't gain weight, I would recommend visiting a doctor.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 07:02 PM
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Youre not the first to tell me that. If it makes you feel better, I absolutely hate eating, and eating that much when you're literally trying to keep yourself from vomiting is not fun. Also expensive. Keep in mind this was when I was working 8-14 hour days entirely on my feet carrying heavy shit around, sometimes outdoors and on sand hills. It also absolutely destroys your progress in the gym, not to mention wears your body down. If you wanted to do the same I'm sure you could find a way to be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 07:01 PM
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Here's an article referencing a few studies that answer that: https://drbrighten.com/can-birth-control-affect-who-youre-attracted-to/ From what I understand, while women always prefer masculine, attractive men, they are more willing to tolerate a less sexually appealing male in favor of a provider type when taking hormonal contraceptives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:46 PM
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How long did you stick to 4k-5k calories for? Did you track your weight daily? Also make sure you account for activity. When I worked at a warehouse I ate 3.5k calories a day and still kept losing weight. If you're very active it might make it harder to gain weight. Trust me man I know it's like pulling fucking teeth, and it seems like the scale isn't moving up but there's no way around it other than finding something that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:28 PM
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Some women show preference-shifts during their ovulatory cycles for certain male traits (IE facial masculinity). If preference shifts exist, they are likely to be restricted to certain features. And even then, simple two-way interactions (e.g., hormone × trait effects on attractiveness ratings) are unlikely to be large across women in general. Below, we consider the possibility that, for some women in certain circumstances, preference shifts are meaningful. This can lead to women being intereste…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:21 PM
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There's this page called 'scientific blackpill' with a bunch of studies confirming common blackpill beliefs. Might be worth checking out if you're interested in where these ideas come from.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 01:19 PM
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Ironically I think this would actually be somewhat good for society, or at least the economy. Now as a young man you have a choice between investing your future career, or investing in yourself for the short term (IE partying, gym, etc). Knowing that they're bound to become old and unattractive, men who can get women are liable to focus more on the present and getting laid while they can. Imagine if that was no longer a barrier, men would be far more inclined to invest in the far future without …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 01:13 PM
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I say 'game' tongue in cheek. Maybe our problem is that we are aware of how much better other men have it. Maybe ignorance is bliss if all you know is your shitty little village and farm and the affairs of you social superiors are mostly just a vague idea in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 01:09 PM
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Yeah this is as close as a thread on here has ever come to getting an emotion out of me. I hope it's a troll or he just didn't think it through.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:16 PM
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What specifically didn't work? It's a slow, grueling, time consuming process. You can lose weight quick but gaining it take a loooooong fucking time in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:15 PM
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I can definitely see men being more willing to settle for 30+ year old women that "had their fun" if they still look youthful. It will also create more competition for young attractive people. For men it means, that can't even leverage their looks anymore vs older guys with a higher status. And since men care about looks more, a more stable, mature 50 year old will definitely be more appealing than some dumb 20 year old, if they look the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:14 PM
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I cant imagine any sane man not wanting to kill himself in a society like that. I mean that genuinely sounds like a type of hell. North Korea is probably less of a dystopia nightmare than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:07 PM
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Sure, I'm not sure how their cultures work or how they incentivise people to play the game when they've dealt a bad hand. Religion could very well be it for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:02 PM
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Guys like that just repeat everything they hear on Twitter or whatever. Sad but its his loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:57 AM
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I counted calories, no specific diet but I found eating three to four filling meals and adding a glass of milk to each helped. Started slow and added more food over time as I could handle it. I hate eating so that was the hard part. Pay attention to what meals give you the best calories per satiety so to speak (ie nuts are good since they are calorically dense and barely filling). As for training I started with Reg Parks beginner 5x5, now I switched to an upper lower split. I did some Muay Thai …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:54 AM
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Yeah thats just how it is. Especially on this sub where people seem to go out of their way to assume bad faith and put words in your mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:47 AM
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No, they wouldn't, especially if they felt that they had a chance of dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:46 AM
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Aside from being wrong (men are scared of alot more than being laughed at), that has nothing to do with what I said. I tried to phrase my comment as neutral as I could, and I did not imply it's on women to fix anything. In fact I put it on men to adapt a mentality conducive to their goals in yhe current environment, and I said that's why the adopt TRP and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:44 AM
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I go for all kinds of women, I don't have a 'type', other than anyone I'm attracted to and have chemistry with. If there's a common thread to all the women I've been dating, other than being women, I don't see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:41 AM
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Yeah I guess there's plenty of assholes out here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:56 AM
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I don't define myself as 'red pill' but I do hold some beliefs that would fall under that category. i don't call myself that because I don't believe everything that falls under that umbrella. I'd rather just discuss specific ideas. There isn't 'one thing', but the most concise way I could explain it was that it was through my experiences and observations with women I came to some of those ideas on my own. Then I'd see men discussing these things online, sharing studies, and slowly over time I ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:55 AM
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I was never obese but I was severely underweight. At 6'1 I went from 125lbs to 185lbs, deliberately and through working out. I'm not a chiseled god yet but I went from looking diseased to fuckable, and people saying my arms look good keep me from jumping off a cliff.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 02:01 AM
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Are you a bot or something? The guy made a completely reasonable take. Why make a CMV just to completely ignore and shit on anyone who you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 01:58 AM
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Men aren't spontaneously adapting these beliefs out of nowhere. It comes from a desire not to be walked over by women at best, and rejection and a feeling of futility and being worthless at worst. Usually men come to these beliefs from some type of past experience which legitimizes these beliefs in their minds. Even if you disagree, you should concede to that if you want to understand why some men believe these things. You say hypergamy and polygamy is no longer needed or wanted. How are you goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 01:35 AM
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The two issues with your argument are that Not enough men are adapting to MGTOW, redpill, whatever you wanna call it philosophy. I mean there's grown up, unironic 'nice guys' out there. Even if enough men did walk out on modern dating, women don't give a shit about most men (not that I'm saying they should, calm down). Sure some women might get upset that there's less subservient men are there to play ATM in hopes of receiving affection, but that's not a big portion of the population I'd wager. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 01:26 AM
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I didn't say 'bottom of the food chain', I said 'not at the top', IE the average dude, and I followed that up by saying they knew it's either that or certain death. Men like that nowadays have no incentive to play the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 01:06 AM
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I'm going to assume you misunderstand my hyperbole instead of playing dumb on purpose. If every man was comparable to whatever is the most sexually appealing, highest status male on the planet (for that woman), women would not complain that those men generally have power over them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 01:04 AM
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It's because there's this false notion that sex is something men 'get' and women 'give'. So people who see it that way see it as the woman giving something but getting nothing in return. Essentially people who do this are indirectly saying that all women are prostitutes. Its funny but also sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 10:09 PM
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Too many men leading that kind of lifestyle is dangerous for society, so it's not in the interests of those who benefit from our society's existence for this issue to continue. Interesting to see how it will turn out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 09:34 PM
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I think people are misunderstanding your question OP, people seem to think you're asking about their physical preferences but you seem to refer to people meeting their partner's preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 09:18 PM
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I personally wouldn't wanna be with someone who isn't physically attracted to most of my attributes. Obviously I'll never be someone's ideal, but if some woman thinks I'm an 8 to her, I'll be happy. I also have much lower standards for my partner though, I'd be happy with an average girl (mix of good and bad qualities) if I was attracted to her. I don't want to be in a situation where the woman I'm with is more physically attracted to other men than to me, especially if those are men from her pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 09:11 PM
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Clubs are just a generic social setting, and they're the go-to if you want to meet people, or at least they used to be. I think you can meet decent people at clubs or bars but the odds are stacked against you as much as on any dating app if you're an average guy. Most people are going to be sub par but that's because most people in general are sub-par by most other people's standards. To add to that, personally I have a STEM degree, fairly mentally stable, tall and fit, no major vices, etc, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:53 PM
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Same reason women worried about representation in high prestige jobs when they're a talentless cashier at Starbucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:35 PM
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The narrative has to be presented to men such that they have some hope of success, regardless of if it's true or not. Back in tribal times, dudes who weren't at the top still had hope that someone at the top would die and they can move up in the hierarchy. And still, they had to participate in the tribe in some way or die alone. Nowadays, if all average men simply gave up, society would crumble, so there needs to be some incentive presented to them to participate. Some are more legitimate than o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:29 PM
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If different opinions makes you that upset you're on the wrong sub
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:26 PM
1

Don't see how it's relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:25 PM
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This has been discussed to death. You're complaining that you have so many options that you need to filter through them to find the quality ones. So for the average man, who has almost NO options, who puts up with all the things you might reject a guy for, just to be with a woman, of course it seems like you have it easy. Let me put it this way. I go up to my fridge, open it, look around for a bit and decide nothing looks good to me. Then I think about ordering some food but again, nothing seems…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:14 PM
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If there's any condition for sex to occur other than the act of sex itself, that's transactional. Ie, I won't sleep with them until they commit, or until they buy me stuff, or only on the condition they take care of my kids, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:36 PM
1

I've seen some pretty good evidence for MSE, and it's not that dangerous. Regarding jaw reconstruction, yeah I don't know. Maybe fillers really are the way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:34 PM
1

If every man was Brad Pitt, not a single woman would complain about patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:13 PM
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As I said in my other comment, we just have a difference of definition of SMV. I define SMV as based kn genuine sexual desire with no other investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:10 PM
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I guess we have different definitions of SMV. Any ugly bastard can save up enough money to fuck an 8+ prostitute, I wouldn't say that means his SMV is equal to a guy who can fuck said woman without a transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:09 PM
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I'm not actually poor anymore. I was trying to illustrate a point. Why accept unfortunate circumstances, especially if there's a chance you can work to fix them?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:08 PM
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I'd count height and muscles as appearance. Notice I said those women don't get horny for Billy. They'll fuck him, because they're essentially prostitutes, but there's no genuine sexual desire there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:15 PM
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No offense but your SO has incentive to present it in a way that is least offensive to you, her actual boyfriend. I wouldn't consider that reliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:13 PM
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Alright, I've accepted it. Now what? I'm still unattractive. You might as well tell me to just accept being poor as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:01 PM
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For men it's like being hungry and you live in a jungle where you have to plan ahead and work to get your food. For women it's like being hungry and you have Ubereats and a fridge full of food.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:31 PM
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No doubt, but I'm saying it's not always about looks. Not for men who have options, or self respect at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:25 PM
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"You're hot/fun enough for me to bang you, but not hot/fun enough for you to have a chance with me". Not necessarily, she could be hot enough but bad relationship material in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:08 PM
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That's not as bad as I thought, but still if it makes you feel uncomfortable I'd bring it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:07 PM
1

Thats true, I neglected to mention that. What would they do I that case, jaw reconstruction?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:04 PM
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How come? If a man has to commit before a woman has sex with him, his SMV is lower than his RMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:53 PM
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I've been wondering whether it's better to do something like MSE vs just getting jaw augmentation as an adult. MSE seems more permanent but also much harder to get, and providers are few and far between.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:49 PM
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You're saying your husbands male friends make innuendo about sleeping with you? If true that's crossing a major line for most men and definitely should be brought up to your husband IMO. I'd want to know if my buddies were doing that to my gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:44 PM
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Similar to how I can show you 4 objects to illustrate the concept of a 'number 4', I can in theory show you a man who would be an example of say a '6 SMV in a given region and social class'. The reasons why people click seem to do more with the context rather than objective intrinsic features of the guy itself. This is partially true, but the features of the guy also play into it. They can also change what 'context' a woman feels comfortable saying yes to him. IE if a guy is hot enough she might…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:41 PM
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Male SMV = appearance + height + personality + intelligence + wealth + power I don't think other than appearance matters for male SMV. Women don't get horny for Billy Gates and he has more power and wealth than most college athletes have looks and height.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:17 PM
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Just because you can't easily define someone's SMV/RMV doesn't mean it doesn't exist or can't be defined in principle. But I do agree it's not a useful metric for individuals because whether you're a 3 or an 8 you're still going to want to improve your value however you see fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:15 PM
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Yeah I stick to the same rule. I find women who have lots of male friends usually know this too and knows exactly what they're doing anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:11 PM
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I think male RMV and SMV are very different, you even said it yourself that some men can get sex easily while the average guy has to commit first.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:51 PM
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Alot of men's woes in the dating market come from the fact that many men act subservient to women, which leads to them expecting it acting in ways that further damage sexaul relations. For example, imagine if simping didn't exist, if men weren't so desperate for a drop of pussy they'd put up with any disrespect from women, and if men were aware of how women make rules for then but break them for guys they actually desire. Women would be held to a higher standard and I think we'd see a drop in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:46 PM
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Pretty much everyone was repressed unless you were an aristocrat or royalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:34 PM
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The average woman knows she could have a guy in her bedroom easily anyway. I'm sure that plays into it somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:33 AM
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Best way to get over an ex is to get under someone else. Jokes aside, part of the pain of a breakup is feeling that you're undesirable and worthless sexually, so it helps to have someone there to prove that you're not that. But sometimes you can be so upset over a breakup that your dick won't even work for anyone else. In that case all you can do is give it time before moving on to someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:13 AM
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What are you even mad about
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 01:41 AM
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If you want to err on the safe side, yes, assume anything a straight male friend does for you is in one way or another designed to win you over. It's obviously not true all the time but it's true more often than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 01:34 AM
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If she’s attracted to him enough to be her boyfriend, she’s attracted to him enough to hook up with him. Not true, and the study shows that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:42 PM
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Thank you for the kind words.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:26 PM
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I'm going to assume good faith on your part, but please don't move the goalposts. You asked why a woman would want a less attractive man for long term dating than she would for a short term fling, and I gave you a study showing the reality of it. Any justifications and rationalizations come second to the fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:26 PM
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I appreciate you trying to make me feel better but our experiences are too different to truly empathize with each other. I've dated a fairly wide variety of women, so if I rule out the major thing they had in common I'd have to resort to dating men. I agree with your last point and I don't want to settle, which is why I broke up with my last girlfriend who I thought was perfect in every way. Most painful breakup I had so far, ripped my damn heart out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:20 PM
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When women pursue short-term mates, they appear to increase their selectivity in mate choice and desire men who possess cues to “good genes.” Source: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-1-4939-0314-6_1 You could find more studies if you look up female long term vs short term mate choices. Not to mention mountains of anecdotal evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:12 PM
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Nah it's a known thing that women choose hotter men for 'hookup material' and less attractive men for 'boyfriend material'.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:59 PM
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All you're doing is prolonging how long it takes them to hit and quit. Guys will literally wait for months to fuck a girl and bail.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:57 PM
0

fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:54 PM
1

In other news, water is wet. What's even the point of this thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:50 PM
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Yeah man I told women the same thing, they still lied. Usually their numbers aren't even that bad. I'd rather a woman like you're describing (someone who owns their sexuality and is honest) than someone trying to appear more innocent and 'pure' than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:44 PM
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About 3/4s of the women that I asked, I later found out they lied in one way or another. Some admitted to it (indirectly of course) and others I had to find out on my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:27 PM
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Women have so many options that they have to filter through them and find one that suits their needs best. Most men are happy to get any attention at all and many spend years completely alone. Seems easier to me tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:14 PM
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The thing about the internet is that it means now that men don't just compete with the handful of guys physically surrounding a woman, but anyone she could realistically connect with through the internet l, which is a massive shift. Yes you can meet women IRL, but with the internet being avalible to them, you're still competing vs the hot rich dudes on her tinder .
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 08:42 PM
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If that guy could push a button and become ripped with zero effort, he would. And all the same women jokingly 'flirting' with him would find him attractive for real too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 08:24 PM
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I dont watch porn much anymore, maybe once a month. Creampie should be pretty self explanatory, it's pretty much the biological purpose of sex. I've never been into cuckold porn but I think the appeal comes from either humiliation (if you self insert as the cuck) or being dominant and attractive (if you self insert as the bull), or possibly even the degeneracy of the act, ie a woman betraying her mate and going against social conventions due to lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 08:16 PM
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They act that way
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:55 PM
1

I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:09 PM
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I agree absolutely (at least in theory. Plenty of women use it as a bargaining tool). And from a man's perspective, if a woman chooses to do something with another man sooner or easier than with him, that makes him feel deficient in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:09 PM
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Sure but that's secondary to the sexyal aspect
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:54 PM
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I dont think any LTR is a 'blue pill goal'. A blue pill goal is acquiring sex through means other than genuine sexual attraction, ie friendship or utility. If you properly vet a woman and she's genuinely attracted to you as much as any options she had in the past, then thats as red as the pill can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:20 PM
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Ask her to meet up and then invite her to your place. That's your only real answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:16 PM
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Not being as attractive as the other guys she's fucking/fucked. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:14 PM
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Bingo. I wonder if people who says this 'friendship' type of relationship is better than a sexual one (in the context of dating) truly believe that, or if it's a manipulation tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:13 PM
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My data is anecdotal. I suppose we could do a survey with exactly that question see how men feel, but even if the data proves either of us is right I doubt that will have any influence on how the other feels. You're right that it's our subjective opinions that hold equal weight. We have an irreconcilable difference and nothing you or I will say will change the others mind, and that's okay, we'll just have to find partners compatible with our point of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:09 PM
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"White lies" should be termed "self serving lies". It's still a lie, because you know the truth would destroy whatever illusion you're basing your relationship off of. If you're okay with that, thats fine, but don't expect others do be okay with it too. Unless it's for safety reasons, there is no moral justification for lying
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:04 PM
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I'd argue the majority of men would indeed be bothered if they knew their girlfriend or wife who made them wait for sex gave it up immediately to other guys prior. You can enjoy work, its still work, you're still putting in effort to something others got without said effort. You can enjoy your job, and look forward to coming to work every day, but if you found out your coworker gets paid twice as much for doing half your work, you'd feel cheated.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:57 PM
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In a relationship, for most men, sex is number one, and everything else is based on that. Otherwise it's called a friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:49 PM
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Gonna have to respectfully disagree. As I said in my other post, doesn't matter how you justify it, at the end of the day the subject of your affection made you work for something others got easily. If that doesn't bother you, power to you brother but you're not the majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:48 PM
2

Well said, I'd never thought of it like that myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:52 PM
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Again, justify it how you want. If it doesn't bother you that your wife/girlfriend fucked other guys quick but made you wait, you're the exception to how most men think.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:51 PM
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This honestly is the best argument for OP's point. People fantasize about living in mansions and castles, but even if they objectively live in a comfortable nice house, they'd dump it in a second for whatever their version of a mansion in Beverly Hills is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:47 PM
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Women judge men compared to the other men around them. If the woman in question has only ever known 100 men, everyone but the handful of most attractive, high status guys are not even going to register as men on said woman's radar. Now expand this group to thousands, if not millions of men, including all the hottest guys at her college, celebrities, and any man she ever laid eyes on. Not only does the average guy seem low value in comparison, even above average guys seem low value.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:43 PM
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Women can do what they want but this kind of behaviour rewards qualities that disqualify a man from being boyfriend material, and punish qualities that make a man 'boyfriend material'. No amount of justification will change how men see that and behave accordingly. Same logic as if a man treats one woman to fancy dates, listens to her problems, treats her like a princess, but then acts like a cold asshole to another type of woman. Regardless of how a man might justify it, one type of person is re…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:36 PM
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Yeah I agree with you, and I think most guys here refer to the type of woman that puts out for others but not for you when lamenting about women who don't fuck on the first date. It's a fairly common position here that men are willing to wait for women who usually wait and have a low body count, as long as there's no double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:21 PM
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Yeah children and utility also play into it for very long term relationships. But so far I see more men stay than leave miserable relationships (by their own admission).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:19 PM
2

"I want my kids to be healthy" vs "I want my partner to pay for my shit"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:06 PM
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What's not to understand; a woman making you 'wait' for something she gave to others immediately, means you're lesser in her mind. If hypothetically she makes everyone wait equally that's different, but that's not the reality for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:01 PM
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It's no less shallow than choosing a mate based on their looks and fitness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:53 PM
1

No. For reference earliest I had sex was within a few hours of meeting off a dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:43 PM
2

Guess Serbian men aren't the only shallow ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:40 PM
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You're completely right, not much else to say. Most men know this. It's funny to see the delusion (or gaslighting?) going on in the comments any time this topic is brought up. Luckily more and more men are waking up to the truth of what being the 'stable option' really means.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:33 PM
1

Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:00 PM
3

A 7 or 8 is model tier my man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:53 PM
2

You'll get there bro. It's like being scared of something, eventually you get to a point where you laugh at it ever having been a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:47 PM
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I'm envious of your experiences then. For me, the more affection I show, the higher the chance I'm going to catch her fucking or texting someone else, and plenty of men here seem to share my sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:34 PM
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I'm in the same boat my man. I'm naturally very affectionate, but as you said being cold and distant simply works better, even though it feels like shit doing it. Personally I always end up slipping up and letting my soft side show which usually coincides with a negative turn in the relationship. The one good thing is the more you do it, the more natural it feels, and why shouldn't it if thats what gives you positive responses?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:28 PM
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Because most women will see that as weakness and you'll get burned.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:23 PM
3

They do though. Plenty of average looking groupies out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:17 PM
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In most western countries a woman's sexuality is already considered normal, and affection is a good reason for intimacy. The reason women use it as a bargaining chip and reserve it for some men is due to their own personal choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:16 PM
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I agree that sex tops it generally, but plenty of guys stick around in sexless relationships for the sake of companionship, as do some men who get into long term relationships even if they could keep fucking around.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:20 AM
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Sure but they still want more than just sex, even if it's a prerequisite to anything else he might want from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:05 AM
1

Technically speaking a 7 is top 5%, an 8 is top 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:22 AM
6

Until you've been in that position you can't be sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:17 AM
3

Sure, I was referring to why men don't generally want to go to prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:57 AM
4

Imagine if you had a selection of willing average or above women avalible every time you wanted to jerk off. Even if you personally would abstain, the vast majority of men wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:52 AM
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They won't, that's why they don't pursue these women. Essentially every man wants a woman who will treat him as if he is the top 0.001% catch for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:48 AM
1

In my hypothetical scenario casual sex doesn't exist. Unrealistic but it would be more beneficial for everyone than what it is now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:43 AM
3

That's not exactly how it works. Men want the validation of a woman who genuinely wants to sleep with them, not one they have to pay for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:40 AM
2

How is this result good for 'everyone'? Specifically, how is it good for men at the genetic bottom 80%, or for the top 20% of women who could have gotten a stable relationship with the top 20% of men that choose to fuck around instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:39 AM
3

Famous men fuck hundreds if not thousands of women, it's a known fact. Famous women do not do that. And why wouldn't they hook up with an average girl? Average girls can still be subjectively attractive. They get women easier than you can order a pizza. Imagine if every time a regular guy jerked off he could fuck a real woman instead. Anecdotally, I've known 3 women who have fucked famous or semi famous men (a guy from Marianna's Trench, and 2 NHL players), dated 2 of them. Cute girls, sure, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:33 AM
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If the only reason you're with your girlfriend is because you can't get Margot Robbie, that's settling on some level. I'd wager most women would be completely fine knowing that. Many men aren't, go figure. Maybe it's because it's far more likely some average girl got fucked by some pro athlete or actor than an average guy doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:20 AM
0

What are you even talking about? Maybe cut the snark and put more effort into getting your point across. And yes, you can be used regardless of your intentions. That's like saying you can't be used for sex if you're specifically seeking a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:17 AM
2

I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:15 AM
1

When I said every woman 'got a man' of her level, I meant for relationships and not casual sex. So it would be easy for men and women who are 5s to date each other, as it would for men and women who are 9s, and none of them would have casual sex with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:14 AM
1

Where do you get the 30% figure from?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:04 AM
0

I already said I know it's not planned. I'm not arguing about why this phenomenon happens, I'm arguing against your initial point that it collectively benefits most women to go for the top men. If by some miracle all women could get together and do come up with a plan, and indeed every woman got a man of her exact level, it would benefit them more than it does now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:59 AM
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Same reason women string men along using them as emotional tampons or an ATM.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:55 AM
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I'm saying it gives women the benefit to give no men the option to do so. How is it better that the top X% of men can fuck around and not commit, than to have 0% of men do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:46 AM
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I agree that this isn't a collective plan but a result of organic behaviour, I'm talking from the point of it benefitting women as a whole though. And on that point, like I said I don't think women as a whole benefit from how things are. On that note I think if through some magic it was possible to enforce lifetime sexual monogamy (IE date who you want but once you decide to move on to sex it's marriage for life), as a whole it would work out better for both men and women as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:35 AM
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I don't devalue a woman for fucking on the first date. I don't devalue a woman who waits either. I do devalue women who fuck other guys but make me wait because whatever bullshit reasons they tell themselves. Sadly that's more common than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:16 AM
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'High Reward' is if they get to marry Henry Cavil, anything less is settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:09 AM
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You're missing another part of the equation though, is that this creates a situation where the top 20% of men have no reason to settle, thus taking away those relationships from women. In this sense, it only benefits the bottom 80% of women, because those are the women that the top 20% of men wouldn't date long term, so this way they at least get to fuck them, even if it ruins it for the women that the top men would commit to. On top of that, if it benefits to keep most men without access to ste…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:02 AM
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I wouldn't care. As long as she doesn't carry it, it's not hers as far as I'm concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:58 PM
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I'm gonna agree from personal experience. Personally put in way more effort into my previous relationships than the woman did. I'm not even complaining, I didn't see it as 'labor', just the way things are. I don't even think I remember much more than a disinterested 'that sucks' from my exes if I went through some shit or whatever. Again, not even complaining, just the way things are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:55 PM
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I disagree that a man would *only* interact with a woman for sex. Men crave companionship too. The challenge for women would then be whether the man just wants sex, or if he actually wants to invest into a long term relationship. You're right about it being easier for women though. I'd argue both genders are alike in their motivations (reproduction with the best possible mate, utility in terms of resources or care of offspring and emotional support, etc) but the approaches are more different tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:50 PM
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I work out both for looks (both attracting women and respect or intimidation of men) and utility. Nothing is worse than being physically weak as a man when the situation demands strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:17 PM
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Absolute cesspits of delusion and bad advice. Decent advice is like a needle in a haystack, and opinions that are not explicitly pro-woman in every situation are banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:15 PM
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The guys for whom it does matter tend to be narcissists who accept nothing less than being the most handsome, one-night-stand worthy guy a girl has ever been with Why is it being a narcissist when it bothers you to know that the woman you fall asleep next to every night, the love of your life, will always be immediately think of someone else if asked who gave her the best fuck, or most excitement? I've been in that exact situation in my last relationship (and a few before) and it ate me up insid…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 10:48 PM
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Lying, misleading, double standards are immoral in any scenario, unless done for your own safety. It also violates informed consent as described in your scenario, similar as if a man misled a woman about his own job, status or past. So no, none of that is moral, but it's not a grave sin that should be illegal or anything. If I find out a woman is trying to do that to me I either walk away or play along to hit it and quit it. Either way, she's permanently labelled as a liar in my mind. And no, I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 10:36 PM
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I'd hope to meet the kind of women you know someday then
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 05:59 PM
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The women I know have been between 16 and 28 when doing that. Still, if a woman does that and gets older, it's not like she's no longer the type of woman to throw herself at an athlete.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 03:18 PM
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What specific type of woman are you talking about here? Because I've seen everyone from shy genuinely nerdy girls to girls who party 6 nights a week throw themselves at men like that, whether it was an athlete or musician. I'm pretty sure there's a certain guy for every woman that she would throw herself at.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 02:55 PM
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Maybe but it doesn't change the fact that women don't fantasize about any of the world's actually most powerful men (bussinessmen, polticial and military leaders, etc) but rather athletes and entertainers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 02:27 PM
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I don't think it's entirely that. I mean that status from being a local athlete or musician will still make more women want to fuck that guy, even though the status from being a professional wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 02:18 PM
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I wouldn't say it's a totally different world. I'd say if you date 20 moderately attractive women in your life, at least one of them would have slept with at least a minor celebrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 02:17 PM
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True but on a lower level, I'd say if you're a guy who's looking to get more sex, you'd be better off joining a local sports team or becoming a locally known musician than a successful businessman of the same level, even though I'd argue the latter has more status.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 02:03 PM
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But still, Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos have immense status, but you don't see women fantasize about them. I suppose it's possible to be a wealthy nobody but I wasn't really talking about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 02:01 PM
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Because currently women derive way more benefit from sexual relationships than men, on average. MGTOW seems to be composed of guys who got screwed over by women or guys who understand how women will screw guys over, and wish to avoid that, and they resent the women who may do that to them. FDS is composed of women who want to get the best mate possible, and resent men who don't measure up to the standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 10:42 PM
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Nah top 20% guys are just the ones that woman date, that's like a 5.5+/10 on a normal distribution curve. Women "throw themselves" at top 1% or even top 0.001% guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 10:37 PM
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My hot friend attracts all women. Not sure where I sad it's a problem. The question was whether hot people have it easy, which they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 02:52 PM
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I'm as cynical as they come but I think you overestimate the amount of women who are obsessed with social media to that degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 12:31 AM
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I think of it in caveman terms. What did men want in cavemen times? To reproduce with as many women as possible, and a healthy (fertile, attractive) woman to reproduce with who is loyal and will care for their child, which he will actually invest in. Ideally a woman would want to be the latter. What did women want? To secure the genes which provide the best chance for survival (Virile, strongest, most attractive), and find a man who will be able to provide for her and the offspring (loyal, high …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 12:24 AM
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I have a few hot male friends, and it's evidently easier for them. Women hit on them in public, they match with over half of women they want on online dating, the women they are with obsess over them and constantly compliment their looks, not to mention the quality of women that they're with is obviously consistently top tier. If I didn't see it in person I wouldn't have believed things like that happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 02:02 PM
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I agree that being ghosted or rejected does not mean being burned, and no one should expect reciprocity just for being 'nice'.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 11:03 PM
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I'm referring to genders as a group though. If a woman or man gets burned by the opposite gender repeatedly when they act selfless, how do you convince said individual not to be selfish and look out for themselves? Saying that it would bring some abstract benefit to people as a whole isn't going to convince them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 10:56 PM
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Not sure where you got the idea I mean selfishness is a sort of selflessness. If anything, selflessness is a form of selfishness, people do good onto others with the expectation that others will do good to them. It doesn't sound nice, but that's how humans work. Why would you be selfless towards someone who has only been selfish towards you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 10:47 PM
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You can tell if you have sexual chemistry with someone without needing to fuck them. Cheating within marriage should be a criminal offense, but it's impossible to eliminate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 10:00 PM
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That's easy to say, but most people aren't going to willingly get burned time and time again for seemingly no benefit. Unless something (not necessarily deliberate) forces both genders to cooperate as a whole, most people are going to resort to selfishness, if only to protect themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 09:50 PM
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If people start being more trusting they will get burned by the shitty people. And let's be honest, the shitty people will suffer no consequences. That's why it's the prisoners dilemma, it unfortunately makes more sense to be selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 09:46 PM
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Not saying we should go back, but clearly whatever we have now isn't working for most people either. I'm not talking arranged marriages either. I don't have a perfect system in mind. Maybe if we let people pick their own partners more freely but make sex before marriage to be an extreme social taboo, things might get better.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 09:43 PM
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It's pretty much the prisoner's dilemma, except to both genders as a whole, which is even trickier.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 09:36 PM
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I partially agree with you but I don't think most dudes do any of that shit. At worst some will simp for pussy but not actually pay for onlyfans. The only 'solution' to hypergamy would be to somehow force monogamy on both genders, I mean full on marriage, before sex, that way the top tier guys won't go fucking around with average women and average men will have a shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 09:23 PM
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Boring for sure. If anything being a sociopath is beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 06:41 PM
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Jill (Resident Evil 5 and the new 3), Sherry (in 6) and Claire from the new Resident Evil 2. Triss, Yennefer and Ciri from Witcher. Heather from Silent Hill 3. I'm not much of a gamer or movie watcher but these come to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 03:59 PM
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Those statistics don't apply to the younger generations, and they probably won't. Maybe marriage isn't impossible but it's damn hard for the average guy to find someone who will genuinely be happy to be with him for the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 03:02 PM
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My current gf is the first girl I've been with who doesn't scrape it, and gives incredible head in general, but yeah every other girl either scraped it or had to strain very hard not to and couldn't do it for long so I usually didn't even bother asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 02:52 PM
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Dating someone for resources is not the same as being sexually attracted to them. Women cheating less with age is not because they're more attracted to their man, it's because the guys that would make it worth cheating don't want to fuck them anymore, but older men are still willing to fuck older women, or pay for sex (including paying for dates or items in return for sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 02:23 AM
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Ideally it would be yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 01:27 AM
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Vote That's interesting, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 01:22 AM
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I don't know man, maybe. I've done some dumb shit for pussy but the thought of straight up paying for it makes me feel disguising. Yeah money is money, and I can think of a hundred different things that I'd rather spend it on than a prostitute. I agree that guys shouldn't pay to fuck women even by way of dates. By all means take your girlfriend out on a date because you want to but don't do it as a transaction to get sex i return. Just how I feel about it bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 01:20 AM
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Pussy feels great, but it's not worth paying a dime for, for some men at least. Jerk off and see if you still want to give some whore money afterwards. People's perspective was different back then, I couldn't tell you why, but I know I'm not the only guy who thinks like I do these days. Even actual incels would rather go celibate than go to a hooker.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 01:15 AM
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You're fucking someone who wouldn't give you the time of day if you didn't pay them for it, not worth it at all. Might as well get a fleshlight. The physical pussy is great but a big aspect of sex is the validation you get from knowing someone was attracted to you enough to share something so intimate with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 01:05 AM
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I agree life these days is relatively comfortable but in dating for most men the risk and effort is simply not worth it. Why should a man have to jump through hoops to get passionless transactional sex from some girl who threw herself at dudes in college? Why risk getting trapped by a woman like that? Plenty of stories of dudes giving up on women after trying and pursuing for years resulting in nothing but heartbreak at best, so you can't say men aren't trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 12:56 AM
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what was his argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 12:47 AM
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Most of the time people who are attractive in pictures also look good IRL. Dudes who get lots of matches also have women throwing themselves at them offline. There are outliers but the trend as a whole is there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 12:46 AM
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To each their own bro
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 12:11 AM
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I don't know if .25" width would make that much difference but I'd love to nearly be 8" long. It would be pretty good to know I ripped someone though, I gotta admit lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 11:43 PM
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That makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 11:22 PM
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Damn I wish I had your problems. No I never had any problems ripping that I know of, I go pretty hard too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 11:21 PM
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I'm also talking about dating. The reason I said that top men will fuck average girls, is because those girls would rather have chance at fucking those men versus a stable relationship with a guy on their level. And I don't consider a woman settling for a man she finds unattractive to be success on the man's part in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 11:07 PM
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That was kind of a joke. But if all men were equally physically attractive and capable, then at least female choice would come down to a man's achievements, which I think alot of guys would have a better time dealing with, even if they lose out, but at least feel they have a chance to compete.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 11:02 PM
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No because even 'top league' men will fuck average girls, so the average guy has to compete with them. An average guy will basically have to pursue bottom tier women if he wants to compete on his own level.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 10:59 PM
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To your first point, men want to be pursued not because they're pampered, but because they know that women will pursue the right man. If a man has to work to pursue a woman who would throw herself at a different man and make it easy for him, you can see why he would feel lesser and emasculated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 06:06 PM
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I agree, many women I've spoken to will admit that 'creepy' just means a 'not hot enough' in 99% of cases. That's not something that can be solved though, you can't force attraction, and lack of attraction will always elicit a negative emotion in that context.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 06:00 PM
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No one's problems are fully solvable, at best we can reach a compromise in society that satisfies most of either gender's needs. I don't know what that compromise would be though. Men and women's sexual strategies are directly at odds with each other, save for the cream of the crop for either gender. Until gene editing can make us all into 10/10s at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 05:56 PM
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Amen to that. It's even worse when women who do this won't admit that they're settling for their husband, or that they think they can do better. If they did that could've been nipped in the bud and save years of misery for both people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 04:38 PM
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Because most men don't want to be 'good enough' for a woman they love, especially not sexually. I don't care if a girl I'm with had richer, smarter, more charismatic exes or whatever, if she fees like any of them fucked her better than I can, that's not a relationship I want to be in. This is independent of her loyalty or anything, I'm not worried she will cheat, but I don't want to be second best for a woman I care about. At the end of the day it doesn't have to be logical, it's an instinct man…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 03:59 PM
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I would happily be married to an average woman who's genuinely enthusiastic about me. I don't care how hot, or rich, or even nice a woman is, being settled for is worse than dying alone IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 03:53 PM
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I've never done that, none of my friends have done that. No point fucking someone you're not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 03:47 PM
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Reading around on a few penis related subs other dudes share similar sentiments, so you're probably right in that 6-7 is the true average.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 03:44 PM
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bone pressed. I do have about .75" fat pad (around 13% bodyfat)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 03:38 PM
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Most men aren't alpha males, red pill or not, they're average dudes who sure as shit don't benefit from hypergamy and casual sex. Most of these average dudes would be happy to commit to a girl on their level and start a family, and that's not really an option for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 03:31 PM
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I'm ~6.5x5.5 and every girl I've asked told me I'm 'average'. Take that as you will. I saw a survey that said dick size is correlated to height, so maybe that size is average among the taller guys that girls who go for guys like me (pretty much only thing I can offer is my height).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 03:23 PM
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That applies to men too and I never said anyone should change what they like, just that people like things out of their 'league'.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 11:50 PM
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Depends on where you look. Plenty of man-hating women circles on the internet who portray the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 07:12 PM
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In practice both genders try to shoot way out of their league. Women think most men are a few points less attractive than they are, so they think they're 'settling' for just above average guys who in reality as way above average. Men are at least more honest that they want the best of the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 06:29 PM
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Because it's not something that's easily changeable and most people don't want to admit that someone is simply not good enough no matter what. Mostly people don't want to admit someone else is ugly is because that would mean they'd have to admit that they're not as attractive as they'd like to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 06:26 PM
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I honestly don't have a problem with it. If my girlfriend wants to she can look at my phone any time she wants. I haven't asked her to check hers but the option is nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 09:22 PM
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Male. Various Eastern European countries (Ukraine, Moldova, Romania) , then Israel for a bit, this was as a guy between the ages of 0 and 16. I live in Canada now so I can compare. I mostly grew up poor and noticed that rich people in those countries act slightly differently, so I can't comment on that as much. Women's preferences seem to be the same overall, as in they want a handsome physically masculine extraverted guy on the whole. One big difference is a square jawline didn't seem to be as …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 07:33 PM
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I remember seeing a video of some woman saying how she rejected some guys for reasons she believed they could fix, but she would never tell them the honest truth because if they became attractive to her, they would have more power over her and she less over them, so she didn't want to give up that power. The comments seemed to agree. Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone but I'm willing to bet my left nut it represents how most women think on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 07:03 PM
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Men don't settle the same way women do, but lots of men do settle. A common basic example would be men who settle for a woman who they know is settling for them, rather than a woman who's genuinely interested in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 06:54 PM
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Lack of sex, lack of initiating, not interested during the act. Also if a man seems beaten down by his woman's constant nagging or fighting, he's settling maybe not in a sexual sense but definitely in the sense that he is unhappy with the person he's with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 06:49 PM
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Most average men aren't getting the same level of affection from their partners that they have given to their hotter exes. If you're telling the truth then your friend is an extreme outlier and while I'm happy for the two of them, it's by far not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 06:38 PM
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The problem is you either compete or end up at the bottom, there's not other way out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 06:24 PM
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I don't know if that's true. If it was, there wouldn't be so many incels, or borderline incel men who don't define themselves as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:42 PM
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That's totally why I choose to stay poor, it's how I know my girlfriends love me
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:39 PM
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I guess it depends on personal preference. Some guys might be fine with it, personally I'd be fine with being alone if I can't find someone who's genuinely physically attracted to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:26 PM
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I get what you're saying, we seem to have different definitions of what 'settling' is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:16 PM
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In this case it's settling for a less sexually attractive man (to her) because he offers other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:53 PM
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If the woman becomes his gf isn't sexually attracted to him and is only with him for the money, she may as well be settling for the purposes of this discussion. Most men would feel that they're being settled for if the woman they're with is only with him for his money.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:46 PM
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That's not at all what I said. Stop with the projections and personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:07 PM
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Would women even care? Most women don't value chastity in men. If anything, I've heard more often of women saying they'd reject a virgin man than a complete manwhore. I think most guys who want a virgin woman would have no problem staying virgins themselves for her if that was the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:31 AM
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Maybe you're right, especially in today's dating climate, but as you said, most of those guys don't value chastity to begin with. I'm willing to bet most guys who want a virgin girl would be willing to wine and dine her for a while. Hell some might wait till marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:22 AM
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To that point, I think men don't want to do that kind of courting is because they know that the girl in question has likely slept with men who didn't have to put in all this effort prior. You're right that it's just not how things happen these days though, for better or worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:25 AM
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I disagree, it's more often it's the guy who's basically playing manservant for the girl while she has no respect or attraction towards him from basically the beginning, and is only with him for some utility. I suppose you have your observations and I have mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:22 AM
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I suppose this is similar to the conundrum that some women want men to be soft nice guys and simp for them but aren't attracted to those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:19 AM
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Probably. When I was younger I legitimately didn't care about it as much myself until a few horrific relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:13 AM
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That's like saying men only have themselves to blame because some men are enslaved by other men. What I'm saying is that the men fucking around aren't necessarily them men who want a virgin woman. A guy is not any of his girlfriends previous partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:12 AM
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I do, and I'm not going to lie, I may end the relationship over it at some point. That's why I agree with your sentiment. But it's alot less than the images I had over my ex who I found out fucked half our workplace and was passed around by the basketball team in college. So to that end, N count makes a difference. Of course there's also the issue of women being honest about it. You're right that some men are immune, most of my buddies tell me that they don't want to know or don't care as long a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:08 AM
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Objectively, you're right. Subjectively, in my case I met a great (but not perfect) woman for who commitment is important, so I was willing to do that for her because I like her and she's willing to do things for me which I consider important. I understand it's a massive risk so I am cautious, but the risk is worth it in this case. Alot of guys might say it's not worth it and that's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:01 AM
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A combination of being hardwired to need companionship and being conditioned to accept the way things are. You're right, it will never be the same, but you have to pick your poison of either being alone or accepting that things will never be perfect and take the best that's available for your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:55 AM
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I'm just answering your question of why 'settling' is bad. If a woman isn't sexually attracted to her man, no amount of kindness or caring will change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:49 AM
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I'm not disagreeing with your main point, for plenty of dudes a virgin is ideal, but since that doesn't exist, a low N count is the next best thing for those who want a virgin wife, so I'd argue there is a difference between a count of 5 or 50, or even 5 and 10. I've met dudes who don't care or even prefer 'experience' though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:44 AM
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Men care about N count because it's an indicator of how a woman views sex/relationships, and more importantly, how he stands in comparison. A woman who's has a number of monogamous relationships and a low-ish count means she values monogamy and is likely to put effort to make relationships work. Conversely, a woman who sleeps around likely has a more casual view of sex and doesn't require as much commitment. There are guys who prefer both or either of those types of women. If a woman has been wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:36 AM
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It depends on age and how those relationships happened, and most importantly, how honest she is with me about it. If she downplays (lies) and I find out it's higher or her story keeps changing that's a deal breaker. Just give me an honest answer so I can process it and not be surprised that the 'love of my life' got split roasted in a frat house during college years in. I'd never turn a woman down solely for her bodycount though even though I do prefer it be lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:22 AM
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If anything most men would fear the opposite; that he does whatever he can to take care of her and be good to her and she ends up taking him for granted because she's not physically attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:18 AM
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It's not 'altruistic' when they tell lies to avoid having the other person be upset at them. That is entirely self serving, considering a lie is still a lie regardless of how it makes someone feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 01:15 AM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 11:47 PM
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That just sounds like a compatibility issue. She can find someone willing to wait longer, and you can find someone who wants to fuck you by the 3rd date. Nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 11:43 PM
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If a man refuses to treat his current partner well because his ex did something insane, his partner would be well justified in leaving him. Doubly so if he treated multiple of his exes well and then is lazy or neglectful towards his current woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 11:40 PM
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Personally I'd consider it a bit of a red flag. Sex should come naturally between people who are attracted to each other. If she straight up says that it's a sign she either has some major complexes, or views sex as something she 'trades' for your time or resources. She could've just not said anything until she was comfortable having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 11:33 PM
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It makes sense though. Think of it this way, if man used to take one or more of his exes out on expensive dates and vacations, buy them fancy gifts, and spend lots of time with them, and then does none of that for his current girlfriend, don't you think it's reasonable she would feel like she's lesser in his eyes?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 11:22 PM
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I'd argue that if you feel your partner is less attractive and you expect them to work harder to make up for it than someone more attractive, you shouldn't be with them and find someone you are genuinely physically attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 10:56 PM
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Of course not, it depends on the person. But if one person is less sexually attracted to their partner and feel that the partner needs to "make up for it" in other ways then that's settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 10:52 PM
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