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Yes, I could have just said that, but then it might have come off as an attack. I'm experimenting with new ways of getting people to see things my way. Thank you for admitting your mistake.
/r/MensRights31/08/14 01:49 AM
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Can you show me where I referenced true feminism?
/r/MensRights31/08/14 01:37 AM
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Oh, trust me, I'm quite well aware of all the logical fallacies. I was asking what that has to do with what I said.
/r/MensRights31/08/14 01:27 AM
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Huh?
/r/MensRights31/08/14 01:06 AM
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but most people know better than to try to salvage it. And since that isn't true of 'feminism,' why push the envelope? You're just going to alienate people who might otherwise agree with your ideas.
/r/MensRights30/08/14 07:31 AM
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I might be in the minority here, but to me, honestly, I really couldn't care less if anyone calls him/herself a 'feminist.' I care about your ideas. "Feminist" is just a label.
/r/MensRights30/08/14 04:31 AM
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those words do NOT exist in a vacuum and they are extremely loaded Regardless, I think /u/tomcat166166's point stands. What does the relative loaded nature of words have to do with this? We can all agree that "nigger" is way more historically loaded than "cracker," but if you're trying to get a bunch of white people on your side, proclaiming that you bathe in "cracker tears" isn't exactly your strongest opening move. Male tears is basically saying "you poor man you, with every single social and …
/r/MensRights18/08/14 01:43 AM
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So, women are dying As are men, but I noticed you didn't mention that. women wanting equality? Men want equality too. Sure, there are people who hate men. These people do not, by and large, kill, rape, harass, or abuse in the such horrifyingly large quantities as misogynists (read: men) do to women. See, you can't just spout this stuff because it's what you've been told to believe. To make an argument, you need reasoning. And to back up that reasoning, you need what we call "evidence."
/r/MensRights26/05/14 08:21 PM
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I've seen some of the stuff she alluded to here. Just like I've seen some of the stuff brought up here talked about in feminist circles. Yes, and I've seen monkeys riding on tricycles... So when you say no one said this, ever. Well you just said that you'd seen what /u/beanfiddler mentioned. That's great. So many of us have seen what /u/onebigcosmichorror mentioned, but somehow those experiences don't count? Only yours counts?
/r/MensRights23/05/14 02:20 AM
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/r/AMRsucks
/r/MensRights23/05/14 01:57 AM
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this doesn't even make any sense. no one said this, ever. Yes, and no one ever said anything in the comment proffered by /u/beanfiddler either. So...here we are.
/r/MensRights23/05/14 01:52 AM
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After all, at heart that is the reason we need an MRM and a men's rights subreddit right? Because we do not live in a perfect world, and a person's sex does matter. No, we need a men's rights subreddit because men deserve to have a focus on their issues. Who is talking about those issues shouldn't matter. Ultimately where we live in a world of men and women who have conflicting interests we need a place where men can discuss the issues that matter to them, without feeling they need to hold or mi…
/r/MensRights09/05/14 01:33 AM
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Not everybody is like you. But not everybody is like you either. In fact, most people aren't. Most people here don't care whether it's a woman or a man speaking about men's issues. As long as the person speaks from the heart and truly cares about helping men, it shouldn't matter what's in her pants.
/r/MensRights09/05/14 12:41 AM
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Ok but since having a woman here doesn't make me feel less comfortable (and shouldn't), what's the problem?
/r/MensRights09/05/14 12:12 AM
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Or is your idea of "men's rights" caring more about what women think than men? My idea of men's rights is people coming to talk about men's issues. Why do you care what kind of people come to do that? That's sexist. If the MRM is going to be just another form of feminism prioritising women over men what is the point of men's rights? So in your mind, women feeling comfortable to come speak here about men's issues is the same as prioritizing women over men? Are you serious or trolling?
/r/MensRights08/05/14 10:48 PM
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Wow are you serious dude? Screw off.
/r/MensRights08/05/14 08:29 PM
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So, basically you don't care about him dismissing sexual harassment as a problem? More like he hasn't actually done that, and you're just looking for reasons to hate him. Because if he was a feminist claiming men were stupid when horny, and that sexual harassment was their normal reproductive strategy, he'd be ripped apart for the hate crime. Because he's not actually saying any of that. You are fucking hypocrites. Ayayay.
/r/MensRights30/04/14 12:02 AM
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I think we just witnessed the reddit version of feminists pulling a fire alarm.
/r/MensRights29/04/14 11:38 PM
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And yet they hate him now, because he dares to stand up for men. To them, that means he's an evil misogynist pedophile rape apologist. And even if none of those things are true, well that won't stop them from saying it over and over and over again.
/r/MensRights29/04/14 11:28 PM
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Go drink your coffee. Edit: or other caffeinated beverage (wouldn't want to discriminate based on one's preferences, now would I?)
/r/MensRights14/04/14 11:01 PM
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--survey was brigaded --Most of reddit is 17-20 year old white kids and I'm out, byeee You sure showed us!
/r/MensRights14/04/14 03:10 PM
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Right, because fuck evidence and facts, right? "The creator of the a poll pointed out that over a few hour span, the number of submissions shot up from one hundred to 4000, and all of them had the same answer" goes through the AMR's brain and becomes "you mras are jumping at your own shadow!!!1!" Do you people have any concept of logic or reason? At all?
/r/MensRights13/04/14 07:19 AM
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But it's not a debate. It's choosing not to engage with a crazy person on the internet. That's the thing, right. You think something crazy. Some people probably think you're the crazy person here. Go talk to some people in SRS or /r/againstmensrights, and the very idea that men could be oppressed at all is one of those crazy things that you just have to ignore. There's not going to be any sort of agreement or common understanding unless first we can all agree on principles. And one principle I t…
/r/MensRights08/03/14 12:30 AM
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I stopped reading after this. If this were a debate, this was where you lost. The truth, whatever it may be, can't be sexist and cannot be biased by definition. We engage with ideas, even if they seem totally alien to us at first, because that's what it means to be open minded. You're free to reject any idea you wish, but you should do so because it lacks good evidence or reasons to support it, not because it offends your worldview.
/r/MensRights07/03/14 08:20 AM
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Says the person whose AMR label is "til the last MRA is strangled with the entrails of the last PUA." You're truly the height of what it means to be reasonable.
/r/MensRights23/02/14 05:31 AM
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There is limited use of corporal punishment, but where I am it's legal and a matter of opinion whether or not spanking is abuse. Spanking is most certainly abuse, and no one should ever do it to a child. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/22/spanking-increased-aggression-study_n_4143886.html http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1983895,00.html http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-me-in-we/201202/how-spanking-harms-the-brain
/r/MensRights20/02/14 09:07 PM
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A good way to follow up when your source is questionable is to find a different source. I mean, gosh, its almost like she's got books to sell from preaching to the choir. Actually, it seems her reasons for writing the books came about because of her research findings. In other words, she found that all of the research on marriage was misleading and subsequently wrote her books and articles about that fact. here's one http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1997-41408-007 She actually discusses this arti…
/r/MensRights20/02/14 01:52 AM
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Hmm, its almost as though the author of that opinion piece you linked has a financial reason to dispute the studies she talks about! Doesn't make her wrong. Check out all of this. try linking to the actual paper and pulling out their methodology section and making some critiques yourself. I'd do that if you actually linked to an academic paper, instead of a site that mentioned a survey and discussed the implications of some studies done on the issue.
/r/MensRights17/02/14 09:39 AM
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Oh look, someone who's taken an intro to stats class and thinks he knows statistics! I think I've met you before! Did you know that almost all biological science (and really, in philosophy of science, all of it completely) is 'correlation' ? Yes I did. But did you know that most scientific studies (you know, the ones that are actually peer reviewed) contain whole sections addressing potential confounding variables? In this case, as with all epidemiological studies, they analyzed their data in su…
/r/MensRights17/02/14 09:21 AM
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Sigh. Correlation =/= causation.
/r/MensRights17/02/14 02:41 AM
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As far as I remember, she generally agrees with Hoff-Sommers' current position on gender issues, but disagrees with her about whether "patriarchy" ever existed. Essentially, Hoff-Sommers believes our society was patriarchal, but now things have changed to such an extent that patriarchy no longer exists, while men, and in particular young boys, have fallen behind and need our help and support, and women still need our help and support in the third world countries like Saudi Arabia that are still …
/r/MensRights15/02/14 09:24 AM
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Extremely well said.
/r/MensRights13/02/14 07:54 AM
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lol. I'm...not denying I wasn't on my best behavior, but...lol. Reddit should really give the mods the ability to see who reported a post (if, say, the same person reports more than 2 in one day).
/r/MensRights09/02/14 08:29 PM
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Where have I denied that there existed some women who felt they shouldn't have the right to vote for sexist reasons? No one's denying that. Were there also arguments made by women that they shouldn't have to be forced to serve in combat? Or that voting was beneath them? Yes, this is also true.
/r/MensRights08/02/14 09:35 AM
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Women have been agitating for the right to vote since the US has existed, and you're claiming that internalized misogyny in some women is evidence that misogyny doesn't exist. "Facts don't real! Facts that don't support my worldview are evidence that your worldview is wrong!" You literally can't comprehend the idea that some women actually didn't want the right to vote. Your mind literally can't grasp it. "No! It must be internalized misogyny!" You are probably beyond help. You're too deep in yo…
/r/MensRights08/02/14 08:26 AM
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And so, if you were curious, this was the point where I realize that you're actually just a troll and not interested in discussion at all. You know, you're right. Men are, after all, the ones who have always had to fight to have their basic rights recognized, Ironically, you don't even realize this is exactly the case. Men fought and died to gain the right to vote. It wasn't just given to them because they were men. For the longest time, women didn't want the right to vote. Why? Because many tho…
/r/MensRights08/02/14 08:19 AM
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God, I was yelling at my computer screen when the people kept shouting at her. I couldn't hear a damn thing. I wish during the part where the person was questioning whether the problem was "systemic," you had said, "these are not isolated incidents. They're problems that are happening quite frequently, in different areas, and the evidence and data back that up. And if you'd like, you and I can schedule a chat after this talk where I will show you those data and explain them to you. But that's ho…
/r/MensRights08/02/14 07:54 AM
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Soooo many things to say. I'm not sure where to start. I guess I should start with this: the fact that one race has a higher median income doesn't actually prove whatsoever that being born a certain race makes you better off or worse off. Also: I'm not denying that "privilege" (depending on how we define it) exists. I'm denying that it exists for being a man. Also, I wouldn't underestimate my google-fu.
/r/MensRights08/02/14 05:56 AM
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I do, they're so readily available that you can find them in a five-second google search. Really? I'd be curious to see them. Since I can't seem to find any, why don't you post them? Class privilege. I don't understand how you think you're debunking the concept of privilege by referencing it. Newsflash, there's more than one kind of privilege. Newsflash: you have to prove that certain kinds of privilege actually exist. You don't just get to claim they do because you say so. Sorry.
/r/MensRights08/02/14 05:41 AM
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Yeah, no. Those don't mean the same thing at all. Feminists believe that every space is a male safe space. That's why women's safe spaces are needed. And, as has been argued by many feminists, using funds towards a male safe space would divert them away from women's safe spaces where they're truly needed. It has to do with feminism's foundation in critical theory that understands the world and its resources to be a zero-sum game. That is why feminism is ideologically opposed to male safe-spaces …
/r/MensRights07/02/14 06:45 AM
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To quote you, "Nobody has said that. You're hallucinating that someone said that."
/r/MensRights07/02/14 05:47 AM
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Google Erin Pizzey.
/r/MensRights07/02/14 03:25 AM
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I think the point is that 1) you don't actually have any of these statistics to back up such a claim and 2) even if you did, the differences between someone born a man versus someone born a woman are so utterly insignificant compared to, say, someone born into a wealthy family versus someone born into a poor one. A woman born into a wealthy family has a lot more "privilege" than a man born into a poor one.
/r/MensRights07/02/14 03:17 AM
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My son came home very confused. You see, he grew up with a mom who coded while she breastfed and brought him to his first LUG meeting at age seven weeks. The first time he saw a home-built robot, it was shown to him by a local hackerspace member, a woman who happens to administer one of the country's biggest supercomputers. Why was his school acting like girls were dumb? Thanks so much, modern-day "feminism", for putting very unfeminist ideas in my son's head. I've become increasingly convinced …
/r/MensRights06/02/14 09:17 AM
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One thing I learned is not to try to reason with AMRs. They're not in it for the logical debate.
/r/MensRights01/02/14 12:18 PM
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He (or perhaps his political strategists and pollsters) had to make sure he pandered to the right audience. Women make up a massive portion of the Democratic base.
/r/MensRights29/01/14 07:59 AM
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I was once such a fool. Then I graduated elementary school. The heat...it burns!! haha Also, you must have been a bright elementary school grad. Do you know your IQ?
/r/MensRights25/01/14 10:46 AM
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To be fair, I don't think she gets "whiteknighted" because she's a woman; I think it's rather that she's something of a "celebrity" to MRAs that they're more likely to back her up against attacks.
/r/TheRedPill16/01/14 06:16 AM
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Hey Karen, love your videos! Here's a link to the study you were talking about. That's actually male privilege, dontcha know? Please continue to end all your posts with 'dontcha know?'. It's exceedingly Canadian and hilarious :D Also, I wanted to ask whether you'd ever checked out /r/femradebates, and if not, whether you'd consider checking it out. Cheers!
/r/MensRights15/01/14 08:47 AM
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I'm not going to argue with you over what the big picture is or who can see it more clearly. Look, it's very clear that you disagree. I just wanted to ask you whether you're actually trying to persuade anyone of your viewpoint, because the ad hominem isn't helping your case. Unless you're trying to troll...in which case, please proceed.
/r/MensRights11/01/14 01:34 PM
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she candidly answered that a growing number of boys being left behind will somehow make up for past inequalities. Can you post/translate her response for me? I'd be curious to read exactly what she said about this.
/r/MensRights07/11/13 06:42 PM
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When have you EVER known an insurance company to make a move that doesn't maximize profits, outside of government mandate. I agree with you in principle. But the problem is that feminists point to things like the lack of female characters in video games and movies as either misogyny or reflective of social structures disadvantageous to women. We respond with the fact that actually these video game creators and movie producers are just trying to make a profit. If it's the case that their behavior…
/r/MensRights07/11/13 03:33 AM
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Asking why feminists don't discuss matters that affect men is like turning up to a conference on cancer and asking why the participants aren't discussing heart disease. It's not that they're not in favor of progress being made in that area, but it's not what they're focused on. I think it's more like this: cystic fibrosis is a disease that affects white people about 6 times more often than black people. Feminists look at a situation like that and think, "white people are clearly more affected by…
/r/MensRights05/11/13 07:33 PM
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I heard there were secret "invite only" feminist subreddits. I bet the communities there are better.
/r/MensRights05/11/13 07:20 PM
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All people who generalize suck. Okay, that was a bad joke. I'll see myself out.
/r/MensRights05/11/13 06:56 PM
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I think all men and women are crazy assholes. I'm the only sane one on this planet.
/r/MensRights05/11/13 06:56 PM
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I just don't find that term useful to target the behaviors I wish to discuss, since it means different things to different people. Like "creep" then?
/r/MensRights04/11/13 10:04 PM
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I don't deny that people can be promiscuous. But I didn't ask you whether you think people can be promiscuous. I asked you whether you think people can be "slutty."
/r/MensRights04/11/13 09:49 PM
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Do you deny that people can ever be slutty? For me, of course I believe people can be creepy. But I also think it's an overused term and that "creep-shaming" is just as much a thing as "slut-shaming." That is, people will sometimes call guys "creeps" for doing things that ought to be considered normal expressions of sexuality. The same can be said of girls and slut-shaming. But go on /r/againstmensrights, and you'll find a community that literally denies the existence of creep-shaming and will m…
/r/MensRights04/11/13 09:31 PM
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This is what the real history of men has been: not privilege, but diligence, patience, and humility. Well said. Because of your recommendation, I'm going to watch the documentary now.
/r/MensRights04/11/13 05:48 PM
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Pretty much this. I'll also add that a lot of people in /r/mensrights don't agree with the "equal outcomes" approach that a lot of feminists take and dislike the pursuit of "equal rights and privileges" for women when those rights and privileges don't also come with the "equal responsibilities" you mentioned.
/r/MensRights04/11/13 04:54 AM
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You dirty hippie...gimme a hug :D
/r/MensRights04/11/13 02:48 AM
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NAFALT.
/r/MensRights01/11/13 02:09 AM
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If the reason women earn less than men is biological, then there's no fixing it in a just way. If we fix that biological inequality, then we should also fix other biological inequalities, such as athleticism and intelligence by giving dumb people more jobs and less athletic people more spots on the varsity basketball team. It's Harrison Bergeron. And I don't think anyone wants that.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 02:51 AM
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lol "ass-face." I'll be using that from now on. Have an upvote.
/r/MensRights24/10/13 05:29 AM
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Seriously. If men didn't view women as sexual objects, we'd all die out because no man would be having sex with any woman, and so we'd have no offspring. The goal should be to see women as both sexual objects and the amazing individuals they can be.
/r/MensRights16/10/13 04:24 AM
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And what would be the reason for the aliens to attack us or the other in-group to threaten us? in-group out-group thinking. That's precisely why I said it has its place: "...in-group thinking has its place and reason for existing (when there is some other in-group that poses a threat to you and your group)." Thus, the permanent solution to this problem is overcoming this bias and not indulging in it. No, because if we eliminated in group thinking for us (mras), it would still exist for feminism.…
/r/MensRights12/10/13 09:38 PM
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I just wanted to comment on this bit -- I hesitated to identify as a mra, since I do hold the position that in-group out-group thinking should be part of our evolutionary baggage that we should overcome as species as soon as possible. However, a recent interaction with self-identified feminist changed my mind. If a group of aliens came from space to destroy us, I would hope we still had our evolutionary in-group thinking. That is to say, in-group thinking has its place and reason for existing (w…
/r/MensRights12/10/13 09:20 PM
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Hey I'm also a Jewish MRA sympathizer. I tend not to agree with the majority here on the issue, but of course I respect their opinion and don't think they're "antisemitic" for disagreeing. I agree with /r/mr on almost every other issue, so I see no problems so long as people don't toss out Jewish slurs or the like.
/r/MensRights12/10/13 01:22 AM
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Which is why we only perform surgery when medically necessary or when the patient has elective surgery they understand the risks. That's not true. Take for example the baby born with 7 toes on one foot. The parents are legally allowed to have the two extra toes removed. It's not medically necessary, nor does the baby understand the risks.... And I don't have a problem with that. Pretty sure the preventative measure of cutting off a healthy testicle guards against testicular cancer to a far great…
/r/MensRights09/10/13 11:02 PM
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As a human, this makes me sick too. Most of the people just walked right by until the very end...and even then nothing really happened. If a man did that to a woman, he'd be tackled by the bystanders and arrested on the spot. If I was a woman, I would take this cultural expectation to be an insult, because what it's ultimately saying is that women aren't as dangerous as men.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 02:14 AM
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If she becomes pregnant through that sex though (condom breaks etc.) you can hardly call the natural result "using his sperm to get herself pregnant". Even if he didn't give "consent" to fertilization. In that context consent for fertilization is completely irrelevant. The woman will find out that she's pregnant before she has the baby. Women don't just "get pregnant" and then "oh, oops! I'm having a baby now!" There are signs. She'll get tested. If they had sex under the condition that the man …
/r/MensRights04/10/13 07:14 PM
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How would you feel if you had your kid go in to have his tonsils electively removed and there were complications with the anaesthesia? The same way I would feel if my kid had diseased tonsils, went to the doctor to have them removed, and had complications from the anesthesia. There are risks in every operation.... Can I remove one of my kid’s balls pre-emptively for testicular cancer As I said in my earlier post, testicles are more significant than the foreskin. The removal of the foreskin has b…
/r/MensRights04/10/13 06:58 PM
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But the tonsils are only removed for medical reasons. Not pre-emptively, They can be removed preemptively. Usually it's done for medical reasons, true. But I don't consider it a wrong if parents decide to remove their kids' tonsils preemptively.
/r/MensRights04/10/13 09:20 AM
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Every day I wish I wasn’t- I’m convinced it has had serious mental and physical repercussions. Nobody has ever explained to me how the removal of half the skin and most of the nerve endings of an infant's genitals for no medical imperative, while under little to purely symbolic pain killers can possibly not be harmful psychologically and sexually. All I ever get is a link to a bunch of surveys that claim it’s fine and “well my penis is great, lol” I'm sorry you feel that way. To me, it seems mor…
/r/MensRights04/10/13 07:09 AM
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The fact that you want clarification on a complicated issue shouldn't impede your moral intuition. The fact is women have laws designed specifically to grant them reproductive rights and protections, while men have none. If a man doesn't want to have a child, and he has sex with protection, it seems obvious that the woman should not have the right to use his sperm to get herself pregnant. Why? Because the sperm is his, and he hasn't given consent for her to use it. If a man does give consent, th…
/r/MensRights04/10/13 06:51 AM
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The answer to your question is that for most people who are against circumcision, it's an issue of bodily autonomy. They feel that because babies are not consenting to an 'unnecessary and harmful act', that act is morally impermissible. But I agree with you. Most of the people on /r/mensrights think it's a wrong that needs to be stopped, but I don't agree with the hivemind all the time. I tend to think that for the most part, young children don't have any right to autonomy, and when they do, it …
/r/MensRights04/10/13 03:10 AM
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I know this isn't related to the topic you lot are discussing, but I was just thinking that "double nonsense" would be a really cool name for a band. I'll see myself out now.
/r/MensRights03/10/13 10:51 PM
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Man I love Modern Family. Such a great show.
/r/MensRights02/10/13 02:09 AM
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Its not a falacious equivocation. He's glad that he doesn't have to sift through the brainwashed herds of girls (Crazed bitches) to find "that special someone". That's how I interpreted the comment too.
/r/MensRights02/10/13 02:03 AM
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Exactly. How are babies these days so damn stupid? I don't freaking get it. When I was a baby, I was already doing the New York Times crossword. /s
/r/MensRights01/10/13 04:23 AM
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to the extent that black males commit a disproportionate number of crimes, that is an effect of historical and continuing racism and marginalization. The same cannot be said for men committing the largest number of rapes. You're going to need to provide a citation, or I will just assume this is random conjecture. Indeed, every bit of evidence we have states exactly the opposite. See: Petrovich and Templer, 1984 Groth, 1979 Briere and Smiljanich, 1993 All of them showing a statistically significa…
/r/MensRights01/10/13 03:40 AM
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I fucking got it the first time, You still don't get it. you human piece of shit. And...we're done here.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 12:19 AM
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if you think "has the power/doesn't have the power" is the only "relevant quality being compared", regardless of the structure of the analogy, then you don't understand the weight a term like "slavery" can carry. Person 1: "You are like Hitler, in that you are both men." Person 2: "Did you just compare me to Hitler?" Person 1: "Technically yes, but only insofar as you are both men." Person 2: "Yeah, but Hitler was a maniacal madman. Your comparing me to Hitler doesn't take into account the weigh…
/r/MensRights30/09/13 10:49 PM
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...where the power is located in the hands of the men but not the women. ...Which is demonstrably false.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 08:42 PM
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Two things: 1) "women as slave owners - men as slaves" is not the same as "wives as slave owners, husbands as slaves." 2) "Women as slave owners - men as slaves" was not what he was saying, regardless of whether he actually did say what you thought he was saying later. In order to break this down, you have to understand how analogies work. Too often, people get caught up on the referents of an analogy and miss the point. Suppose I say, "you are like Hitler, in that you are both men (assuming you…
/r/MensRights30/09/13 08:37 PM
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Can you provide me with a list of words that are sexist? So I take it "cunt" is one. What about dick? Jerk? Pussy? Ballsack?
/r/MensRights30/09/13 08:15 PM
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Isn't "pussy pass" just a really freaking crude term for "women get more lenient sentences for being women" or something? Or was it something else? But yeah, I think it's a bit crude.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 08:10 PM
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There's another essential difference between /r/mr and /r/feminism: we are all here, in this thread right now, having a discussion about what MRAs can do to focus their message, about finding common ground with some feminists, about criticizing some MRAs for misogyny. And you are being upvoted. That fact alone is proof of the different environments -- /r/mr is more about discussion of worldview, while /r/feminism takes a worldview for granted, as assumed, as given. Try making the opposite topic …
/r/MensRights30/09/13 08:02 PM
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That's not what he/she said....
/r/MensRights30/09/13 07:44 PM
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Man has many definitions on the google dictionary. The first is an adult human male. The second is a human person of either gender. Both definitions are irrelevant to a discussion of whether the word 'rapist' should be defined as "a man who rapes a woman," as I've already explained over and over and over again.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 04:54 AM
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Upvote for being the cum box guy.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 04:31 AM
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So, man is not defined as human on the google dictionary? No, 'man' is not used for gender neutral nouns on the google dictionary.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 03:38 AM
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"Angry and confrontational." That's your subjective interpretation, not an accurate assessment. Yes, I'm pretty sure that holds true for anything anyone interprets about another person's writing. It's standard procedure for opponents of the men's rights movement to use subjective language like that to try to silence dissent instead of debating it. Are you trying to say that I am an opponent of the men's rights movement? The equivalent would be as follows: When did I hurl shit at anyone? You: "Do…
/r/MensRights29/09/13 07:56 PM
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That's essentially an ad hominem - attempting to dismiss a statement made based solely on where it comes from, not its content. To be honest, your response here came off as really angry and confrontational. I'm not sure if that was intended or not, but I'm not sure why you feel this way if it was indeed intentional. I don't think I've said anything offensive or wrong-headed...yet. As someone who studies philosophy, I know what an ad hominem is, and that simply wasn't one. An ad hominem is the at…
/r/MensRights29/09/13 07:36 AM
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From my own perusing of this subreddit recently, I gather that you're a contributor to AVfM. I guess I know what you think of her, since you (as a contributor to AVfM) and she don't seem to get along. But I also know that when two sides have a nasty disagreement (read: don't like each other), the reasons each thinks the other doesn't like them are often incorrect. Even though I know you have stake in the game, I'd be curious to hear your evidence for these statements: Her comments about AVFM wer…
/r/MensRights29/09/13 02:46 AM
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Women too, but the vast majority of rapists are men And the vast majority of robberies are committed by black people...we should make sure we tell them not to steal. What do you think of "Don't be that black person"? and the (in)famous Don't Be That Guy posters worked. Really well. Where to begin? Where to begin? First, a note on evidence. There is no actual evidence the posters worked. The posters went up -- afterwards there was a decrease in reports of sexual assault in Edmenton. Concluding fr…
/r/MensRights29/09/13 02:01 AM
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Feminist info: men are more likely to commit rape! Men need to be taught not to rape! LieBaron: Yeah! Totally! /r/mensrights: women are equal to men and therefore just as bad! LieBaron: pfff you sexist scum! It's...like talking to a fence post. This will probably be a waste of time, but I'm going to try something. Which of the following sentences is/are sexist? 1) Women are just as bad as men. 2) Women are worse than men. 3) Men are worse than women. 4) men are just as bad as women. Don't react.…
/r/MensRights28/09/13 11:23 PM
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I'm not sure who you're arguing with or what you're trying to argue.
/r/MensRights28/09/13 10:41 PM
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People actively biased...will forget/ignore 90% of legitimate concerns and content and remember the fat jokes Yes. People on the ropes will forget/ignore 90% of legitimate concerns and content and remember the fat jokes This I don't think is true. Nothing wrong with being fat, but let's not become SRS, where no humor is allowed if it offends anyone.
/r/MensRights28/09/13 10:33 PM
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Hell, even this picture is all about how women are bad, and I saw it on r/all - Did you miss the part of the picture that said "JUST LIKE MEN"? If you point out that women are as equally fucked up as men, you're a misogynist and anti-woman. It's twisted thinking. It's like if a man isn't actively admitting that women are the superior gender, they're somehow sexist against women. And this is why I cannot take you seriously.
/r/MensRights28/09/13 10:26 PM
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I wouldn't worry about what a small segment of people on /r/mensrights thinks of you for choosing to call yourself a feminist. Even they will admit that some of the strongest supporters of the modern MHRM identify as some form of feminist, whether it's Christina Hoff Sommers, Daphne Patai, Warren Farrel, Cathy Young, Wendy McElroy, Camille Paglia, or Steven Pinker.
/r/MensRights28/09/13 09:03 AM
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You asserted something. I counter-asserted. You'll need to provide a citation, or I will assume your claim is bullshit.
/r/MensRights28/09/13 08:54 AM
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Seen it. It's blatantly plagiarized straight from girlwriteswhat and doesn't contradict anything I've said in any way.
/r/MensRights28/09/13 08:51 AM
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http://phys.org/news83863660.html What are facts, right?
/r/MensRights28/09/13 05:09 AM
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You seem like a reasonable and empathetic person, so thanks for your response. But here's an important difference: feminism is the belief in a patriarchy. Patriarchy is usually defined by feminists to mean "the system set up by men to oppress women for men's benefit." Therefore, even the feminists who aren't passing the anti-male laws or shouting down men, etc. still ultimately believe that the problems associated with gender were created by men. When men's groups began pointing out that men wer…
/r/MensRights28/09/13 05:00 AM
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"Let me know when the women's rights movement does something good for women." -- everyone circa 1850
/r/MensRights28/09/13 04:28 AM
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What you're seeing from Cathy Young isn't a response to actual material on AVFM. It's an attempt to silence legitimate speech by making the speakers afraid people won't like them. If this is true, then Cathy Young is some maniacal fear-monger, and I haven't seen any evidence of that. Based on this article alone, she seems like a perfectly reasonable person. It's possible she has some sort of vendetta against AVfM, but if that's the case, I want to know why. I'll check out the links you suggested…
/r/MensRights28/09/13 04:19 AM
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Sorry I didn't go along with what everyone else wanted to talk about with this image. It's not that you went against what everyone wanted to talk about; it's that you were wrong. You said: The crux of the issue is that, technically, man means human. So, technically, the definition doesn't say that only men can rape. The crux of what issue? The only issue we've been discussing is whether "rapist" means "a man who rapes." I provided you evidence that google uses gender neutral terms for other gend…
/r/MensRights27/09/13 11:08 PM
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https://www.google.com/#q=nurse+define https://www.google.com/#q=define+programmer+ https://www.google.com/search?q=define+teacher&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a https://www.google.com/#q=define+criminal
/r/MensRights27/09/13 07:10 PM
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https://www.google.com/#q=nurse+define https://www.google.com/#q=define+programmer+ https://www.google.com/search?q=define+teacher&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a https://www.google.com/#q=define+criminal
/r/MensRights27/09/13 07:10 PM
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I'm sorry, but the cognitive dissonance is astounding. This is a thread about the definition of rape on google. If you want to start a discussion about the definition of 'man' as 'humankind,' you're free to start that yourself right now. Secondly, you were saying that google defines man as human, as though that were an explanation for why the definition of rape on google is what it is. I've just explained to you that is not the case. Not surprisingly, you ignored that. As I said, if you would pr…
/r/MensRights27/09/13 07:03 PM
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Men built many of these stereotypes that have now come back to haunt us. Where is your citation for this? Men didn't "build" stereotypes. Society did, and society is something jointly created by both men and women.
/r/MensRights27/09/13 06:54 PM
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It's pretty funny to me how you evade evade evade the issue. I bet you've even managed to convince yourself that you're not evading -- after all, you're just explaining the real reason why it says 'man,' right?! That's the saddest part. Unfortunately, your ideology doesn't match reality, and so as you come face to face with facts, you're going to have a harder and harder time justifying your worldview. In this case, the facts are that when google defines a gender neutral noun (rapist), such as '…
/r/MensRights27/09/13 06:42 PM
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Oh goodness, this (r/mensrights) reminds me the kinds of people who go whining about how "anti-white" racism is also a huge problem in Western societies and how the established anti-racism groups are not acknowledging it. Ugh.................... just give these poor fucks a hug so they can get over their issues with the world. Seriously. (ps I'm man) This one got +17 The amount of self-victimizing in there gives me bowel movements. This one got +53. /r/mensrights for the lazy Or masochistic +55 …
/r/MensRights27/09/13 06:35 AM
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You have a homicide statistic, that fails to mention that the great majority of homicides on men and women are committed by other men. How is this relevant to a discussion of privilege? The majority of violence committed against black men is committed by other black men. Does that mean black men are therefore not unprivileged? You arent disproving any of the actual points that the theory makes Let's be clear with our language. No one's "disproving" anything. This is an argument against the typic…
/r/MensRights27/09/13 05:15 AM
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How is this at all relevant? Men are actually dying more from suicide than women. Of course there are reasons why that is the case, but we should be trying to stop people from dying instead of trying to lay blame.
/r/MensRights27/09/13 05:09 AM
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Yeah the ones I saw had like -47 at the time. I haven't checked recently though. It's probably -70+ or banned/removed by now.
/r/MensRights27/09/13 04:49 AM
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I think what he means is that the set of people who post on Reddit isn't necessarily indicative of the set of the entire population. It's pretty well-known that reddit has certain ideological leanings....
/r/MensRights27/09/13 04:46 AM
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Oh look, an account with one post. Fuck off you fucking asshole.
/r/MensRights27/09/13 04:35 AM
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Yeah I saw that thread. It had some of the cringiest stuff I've read in a while. It was ironic to me how a couple of them kept on pointing out they get downvoted when they come here when the couple of people who dared to say anything against their circlejerk got downvoted to oblivion. But it's no skin off my back. The MHRM continues to grow and grow and spread and spread, and feminism remains stuck in PR hell. And they wonder why....
/r/MensRights26/09/13 11:40 PM
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I disagree that feminism is intrinsically anti-mrm, I don't think it is. I don't quite know how to respond, except to say that you seem extremely naive about what most feminists believe. Either that, or we disagree about what feminism is. Because according to your view, you'd have to exclude most people who call themselves feminists from feminism.
/r/MensRights26/09/13 11:24 PM
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I think that is what uneducated feminists are saying. I'm sorry, but this is feminism. It's the foundation of the entire theory -- society teaches men to be bad, to disrespect women, to hurt them, to rape them, etc. And men need to be taught not to hurt, to rape, to be violent. That's how you end up with feminist campaigns like "Don't be that Guy," or "Men can stop Rape," or "Teach men not to rape." Or really [any of this stuff.] (http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com/banners-and-posters-of-misan…
/r/MensRights26/09/13 11:11 PM
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I don't think you understood my point here.... We are all shaped by our experiences to some degree, of course. You said that you identify with feminism but not the MHRM because even though you agree with many MRA points, you dislike that the MHRM is anti-feminist. When I asked you why you choose to call yourself a feminist despite feminism's quite clear anti-MRA stance, you stated that your experience with feminism was good, as though that answered my question satisfactorily. So I tried to point…
/r/MensRights26/09/13 11:01 PM
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No, they are saying that masculinity as a social construct has made men violent and aggressive. In other words, men are taught to be bad (masculine). they are saying that men need to stop being stereotyped as violent. Even if this were true, ask feminists who or what is doing the stereotyping. Patriarchy. Men.
/r/MensRights26/09/13 10:50 PM
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I think it again relates to my encounters with feminism. All the feminists I know are not radical and agree with the issues of the MRM but not the method of being anti-feminist. And what if I said that all the feminists I know and see and hear and read about are radicals who tend to demonize men and hate the MHRM? This is why I'm anti-feminist. See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0 Are your experiences more valid than mine?
/r/MensRights26/09/13 10:45 PM
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However, I stated that I choose not to identify as MRA because of the anti-feminist sentiment. Why do you choose not to associate with the MHRM because of the anti-feminist sentiment when you choose to associate with feminism despite its anti-MRA sentiment?
/r/MensRights26/09/13 09:36 PM
0

If you're having shit thrown on you constantly to the point where you're buried in it, then the first thing you need to do is throw the shit off you. Unfortunately, some people around you might get hit.
/r/MensRights26/09/13 08:59 PM
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I agree with you, but I think you're misunderstanding the point of the infographic. It's not saying, "men die in combat this much; women die in combat this much; therefore the women are killing the men/are responsible" Same with suicide. It's just pointing out what the facts are -- men die this much, women that much, men commit suicide this much, women that much, etc. It's not laying blame on either men or women. It's just supposed to provide some perspective to the people who think women are un…
/r/MensRights26/09/13 08:56 PM
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Many countries around the world have things called conscriptions, where men are forced to serve. Women aren't. In the US, we have a volunteer military, which is great, but we also force men to enlist in selective service, acknowledging that if there is a draft, they could be conscripted too. As to the stats in the infographic -- I think they're eye-opening. Here in the US, we have all of these laws, such as "The Violence Against Women Act," but in reality, most violence is committed against men.…
/r/MensRights26/09/13 08:50 PM
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I'm interested in the formation of the ideology of these feminist stances. I always thought feminists were a part of that hippie/ peace and love for everyone/ left-wing movement. Whatever happened to that? Really loving everyone means loving everyone. No exceptions. It's like they've essentially become an interest/lobbying group for women now, and as best I can tell, their views come from an honest motivation for equality; they've just got blinders on to such an extent that they don't realize ho…
/r/MensRights26/09/13 02:24 AM
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I think this is a great idea. I don't know if there is anything like this for men yet, but I do know that there are very few "male safe spaces" and shelters around because of the "men can handle it" trope and because sometimes creating something specifically for men comes off as sexist against women in this strange culture of ours. Maybe other contributors here know more and could say more about this. I'm willing to donate money to get something like this going. Thank you for sharing your idea.
/r/MensRights25/09/13 06:16 AM
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SRS is to reddit as autoimmune disease is to your body. It's the virus that masquerades as the cure. Most of reddit has figured this out. Now you have too.
/r/MensRights25/09/13 05:37 AM
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I think this guy was referring to the video on youtube -- he "down thumbed" i.e. "disliked" and reported it. But I think people who read this assumed he meant he was downvoting the thread and reporting it. I see situations like this all over the internet, especially on reddit. Written text isn't all that clear, so keep an eye out, peeps :)
/r/MensRights25/09/13 05:06 AM
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I think this post was being sarcastic, but no one realized it... or maybe I'm wrong. It's the internet, and I can't tell.
/r/MensRights24/09/13 04:54 AM
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I would advise against visiting /r/feminism or some variation if you are going to express a contrary opinion. In my experience, they don't much like that over there, nor are they generally the type to engage in meaningful discussion that questions their worldview. I'm really sorry you had to experience that.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 07:01 PM
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No. This is not true, not for everyone. I agree with everything you said, only I don't think you understood what I was saying. I'm saying that in general person X defines what person X believes. That is, you (person Y) don't get to tell me (person X) what I believe -- I'll tell you what I believe. I did not say that people get to define what is true independent of what they believe. I appreciate that you're doing something about this poster though.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 06:35 PM
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SoJ tried to say that the common stereotype isn't that women are frail, but that they're valuable. I think it's probably both. If your perspective is that women are confined to rigid gender roles because men don't think women can handle anything else, you're going to have a certain ideology about the way the world works. If on the other hand, your perspective is that women are confined to rigid gender roles (housework, for instance) because their lives are inherently more valued than a man's, yo…
/r/MensRights23/09/13 08:41 AM
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S/he didn't address his point. He just said, "bullshit." I really like that SRS is coming into mensrights. I think there should be more dialogue between the two sides instead of constant hatred, although it's a bit difficult for any of us to go to SRS, since, you know, they ban us instantly.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 04:54 AM
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(And as an aside, I don't think this sort of thing springs from any sort of "misandry" or man-hate, but rather from old gender stereotypes that render a "weak" woman attacking a "strong" man as inherently absurd.) Then as a feminist, do you also hold that songs/videos such as blurred lines do not spring from misogyny or "women-hate," but rather from old gender stereotypes?
/r/MensRights23/09/13 04:05 AM
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Are you being honest? Or is this an AgainstMensRights (that bastion of intellectual rigor!) experiment of some sort? I'm just curious.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 02:00 AM
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We may not owe them obedience, but if a leader or figurehead supports a position you agree with or problem you want addressed, then it's in our interest to support those leaders or figureheads so that they can continue to fight for the issues that matter to us.
/r/MensRights14/09/13 04:36 AM
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I have to step in and say that almost all of your comparisons are bullshit. Atheists can be just an unwelcoming as Christians. And pro-Israelis are often more tolerant than the other side. Your saying you "don't hate Jews, you just hate the Zionist conspiracy" is exactly like when feminists say they don't hate men, they just hate the patriarchy.
/r/MensRights13/09/13 04:34 AM
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He added spaces/paragraphs to make it easier to read
/r/MensRights13/09/13 04:22 AM
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worth isn't some arbitrary and unchanging trait, it's relative to the situation. No. There are different kinds of "worth." I am worth more than you as a philosopher, and you are probably worth more than I am in whatever field you happen to be trained in. I specifically stated that I was talking about "biological worth." Biologically, women are naturally worth more than men because biological worth is defined by its limiting factor. This is because the organism that produces the offspring biologi…
/r/MensRights12/09/13 02:21 AM
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Whether or not it is relevant to society or our world now has no bearing on its truth value. It is still ultimately true whether it matters one iota or not.
/r/MensRights12/09/13 12:00 AM
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But we have several billion women, half of them could die off tomorrow and the human race would still be just fine. This is irrelevant to my point. By definition, women are still the limiting factor in human sexual reproduction, regardless of how many humans exist. Limiting factor: "A factor present in an environment that controls a process, particularly the growth, abundance or distribution of a population of organisms in an ecosystem." They are still more valuable from a reproductive standpoin…
/r/MensRights11/09/13 11:10 AM
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Yeah that's true. But as I said, women are still technically the limiting factor in human reproduction. This makes them more valuable from a reproductive standpoint (if every woman but one died off, the human race would be screwed; if every man but one died off, the human race would probably manage to survive.). This is a commonly accepted biological principle, and it's something MRAs like girlwriteswhat talk about when they discuss why women have been privileged.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 04:54 AM
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Not saying I agree with you, but I up voted you because I think the world would be a better place if more people did more thinking against the grain.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 02:13 AM
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Not sure how any of that is relevant to the biological fact that women are still the limiting factor in reproduction.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 10:13 PM
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We must have read very different biology textbooks....
/r/MensRights10/09/13 11:52 AM
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I'm not criticizing. I'm offering a future suggestion for your effort posts. Ultimately, it's in your and everyone's best interest that more people really get what you are saying. And it's not like it would be so hard for you to explain yourself more clearly and not couch your prose in unnecessarily complicated jargon. If someone doesn't want to take the time to read it or put in the effort to understand it, their loss. And so if you actually care about people losing out, you'll take my advice.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 11:50 AM
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I meant that as a purely biological statement. A woman is biologically more important to the survival of the human race than a man. Does this make women better than men? No. They are equal. That biological fact could very well change in the coming years with cloning/other technological advancements that effect reproduction.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 10:51 AM
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As someone trained in philosophy, I understood exactly what you said. I do think a lot of what you say is obvious (even the guy in his SA post commented about the Hegelian master/slave dichotomy.) And while I think the guy responding to your comment above was a bit harsh and/or needlessly annoyed, I do think he has a point, and that point is this: The people who are going to understand your comment are almost exactly the set of people who will think it obvious and unnecessary. And the people who…
/r/MensRights10/09/13 10:19 AM
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Fuck those commenters. That's all I have to say, really. I love women. Fuck. I love women more than men. I think they are ultimately more important to the survival of the human species (of which I am a subscribed member). I just think that if we're going to live in a society together, then we need to learn to treat each other as equal partners, and that means focusing on the issues that affect us too. For Christe's sake.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 05:56 AM
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I believe it's grey. As we all know, blue is a man's color and therefore privileged. And pink is a symbol of female oppression and patriarchy. And also, grey is just cooler. Grey is how we can smash the patriarchic overlords.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 03:49 AM
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And too intoxicated by a self-righteous victim ideology to recognize the obvious hypocrisy.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 03:03 AM
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My interpretation is that he (robin Thicke) is singing to a particular girl, trying to woo her. She is a stereotypical "good girl" -- someone who is told by society that she has to conform to higher standards of sexual conduct and purity. He is saying to her that deep down she wants to be bad (to reject the societal construct off the pure woman) because like him and like every other human being, she is ultimately an animal. The "I know you want it" line is referring to the fact that she desires …
/r/MensRights08/09/13 07:10 AM
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Huh?
/r/MensRights02/09/13 05:55 AM
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I don't think you understand me. I'm not a part of your movement. I'm merely sympathetic to its motivations. I wrote this post to offer some advice. Whether you choose to listen is up to you. But if you think what I'm saying amounts to silencing your movement, then you haven't heard the advice in the first place (and the other members of your movement seem to agree, since it happens to be the top voted comment in this thread).
/r/MensRights02/09/13 05:51 AM
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...talk more and louder. Ask any successful propagandist who ever lived. Propaganda, by its very definition, is the framing of language in such a way that it appeals to the masses. It is what they want to hear, or it is language that conjures in people deeply held emotions and fears. If you are talking loudly without being particular about how you frame your message, people will tune you out. And in order to talk more, you need people on your side to talk. To get the people on your side who will…
/r/MensRights02/09/13 01:02 AM
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White rights activists are the ideological cousins of MRAs. A privileged group fighting to maintain it's privilege. Seriously, how are they any different? If that is what you truly believe, then there really is no use arguing with you -- it would be like trying to convince a Nazi that Jews aren't so bad. You have made up your mind. But unlike a lot of people, you are at least honest about what you believe, instead of continuing to put up the front of “feminism fights for men's issues too." Oh I …
/r/MensRights02/09/13 12:53 AM
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However they define it, they want to get rid of it. Yes, and there are some white racists who are trying to end racism because they believe it is ultimately a symptom of a white-oppressive society. They aren't wrong for trying to end racism. They are wrong for taking white racism more seriously than black racism and for their worldview that sees racism against black people as just a reflection of a black-dominated world. Yeah I do see this. So is it sexist to say the people with power create the…
/r/MensRights01/09/13 12:46 AM
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Except that to change the court, people have to be on your side. And to get people on your side, you need them to listen to you. And to get them to listen to you, you need to purify the testimony.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 12:32 AM
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Feminists think that's bad. They think it is bad, but they also think it is just benevolent sexism, as though men cannot be harmed by it, or at any rate cannot be harmed by it to the same extent as women. Indeed, they think benevolent sexism against men is just the symptom of society-wide problem against women, not a problem all its own worthy of equal consideration. Helping men is not seen as counterproductive, it just isn't their concern. Many feminists think women are oppressed by social stru…
/r/MensRights31/08/13 11:29 PM
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What you have to understand is that when the Men's Movement was created, it was smeared as a male privilege machine, as further proof of the patriarchy, as male-supremacy and oppression. Who smeared it this way? Feminism. And you can say, well not all feminists did it, and not all feminists agree with all other feminists, and blah blah blah. But that is a cop-out. It was a feminist ideology that painted the world a certain way -- society as a creation of powerful men intent on oppressing women -…
/r/MensRights31/08/13 10:56 PM
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Is it though? Who cares what people self-identify as? As long as someone fights for true equality, freedom, fairness, etc. I don't care if she calls herself a fucking Nazi to be perfectly honest (and I'm Jewish).
/r/MensRights31/08/13 10:26 PM
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they're saying that the cause is benevolent sexism. The cause is sexism. Sexism is not benevolent for some people but nasty for others. Not concerning themselves with men's issues isn't the same as sweeping them under the rug. It is when the ideological structure of your movement says that men oppress women. Then helping men is seen as unnecessary or even counterproductive. And it is when men face the same issues as women. By that logic you could argue that MRAs sweep women's issues under the ru…
/r/MensRights31/08/13 10:21 PM
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That is rich. Feminism is a theory about the organization of social and institutional structure based around something called the patriarchy. Unless you prove the existence of patriarchy, the entire theory collapses. Now go on. Please prove it. Your asking for random reasons why MRAs dislike feminists is a bit like a 9/11 truther asking a group of scientists why they dislike people who support conspiracy theories.
/r/MensRights31/08/13 07:35 AM
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I was in this thread and posted quite a few comments. I would say the biggest thing I learned was that at best, the Men's Movement is seen as kind of “the other side of the coin” to feminism. Honestly, my advice to you guys is to be EXTREMELY CAREFUL in the language you use. If this is truly a movement about equality, then it should treat both genders fairly and equally, and chiefly that means when something posted in this sub is anti-women or paints things with too broad a brush, you should all…
/r/MensRights31/08/13 06:55 AM
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This person does not sound very intelligent, but I cannot say whether this response is representative of many feminist ways of thinking. My advice is to bring this story to a logic professor and see what he or she says about it.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 11:49 PM
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I see this men’s movement as more of a backlash against feminism. Where feminism purports to be about equality between the genders, it tends not to focus very much (if at all) on issues relating to men, and in some cases even seems to support the advancement of women at the expense of men (not all feminists and not all of feminism, but seemingly the majority of it or at least what is visible in the mainstream). And so from my vantage point, the men’s movement is a kind of counterpoint to feminis…
/r/MensRights29/08/13 02:37 AM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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