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Such a good observation. I believe it’s because what really arouses them isn’t “submission”, it’s lack of consent and the feeling of “conquest”. If a woman wants to submit sexually or romantically, because that’s what she’s chosen for her own pleasure, then it’s not as “fun”, because she’s not sublimating her own desires for his - he’s not forcing his will on another human being, therefor it’s less satisfying to his ego. See also: men who like anal sex, but don’t like women who enjoy anal sex, b…
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy01/02/22 05:33 PM
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I hope you’re right. A grim hope it is
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy31/01/22 10:14 PM
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Love this
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy29/01/22 04:55 PM
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Is there any way to vet for this? Maybe getting a pet together?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy23/01/22 05:26 PM
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Great mention! I highly recommend the book “don’t shoot the dog” by Karen Pryor. It’s not just about dog training, it’s about reinforcement theory and how to use that knowledge with all kinds of interactions with animals or people (or even yourself)
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy20/10/21 04:45 PM
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I wonder how they would respond to the suggestion that Islam is the “more evolved version” of their religion?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy21/09/21 01:53 PM
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Ok, men are still more likely to find insecurity/weakness attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 11:00 PM
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So you’re short and low status, then? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 10:18 PM
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Not in the western dating market where most people are overweight. Being thin as a woman automatically equals being above average in looks, like being tall as a man does. It’s only realistic to have the “not fat” standard if the man is either tall or high status/rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 08:57 PM
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Both of these are highly sought after traits, so a non fat nice woman would automatically be above average. If a guy isn’t above average in looks and status, then he’s being unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 08:46 PM
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Men find insecure women sexy, women don’t find insecure men sexy. So straight male insecurity is more shameful, objectively
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 08:29 PM
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He would have no reason to be anti feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 03:28 PM
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The highest status comes from good (attractive) genetics. All other status is lesser in comparison. Genetic code is real and can’t be taken away, resources can be lost or stolen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 08:49 PM
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What makes the social contract of looks/status bargaining different from that of financial resources? Genetic quality is real, financial resources are social constructs
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 05:44 PM
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5'6", my "league" is supposedly fat, entitled single mom's with attitude problems Yes. Short = fat or single mom
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 05:42 PM
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That’s still being judgmental, regardless of severity
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 10:16 PM
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No true manospherian 😆 you don’t think there are red pillers who refuse to be settled for but also think women have “too high” standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 04:32 PM
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Ok, no one should have to be settled for. But it makes no sense when men say that out of one side of their mouth then tell women to lower their standards, thereby settling for another guy. The “logical” sex, people
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 04:24 PM
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Any woman can become a single mom, dick is abundant and low value and men are irresponsible with where they put their semen
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 04:22 PM
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I’ve never heard young women say baldness is attractive, more like a specific bald guy is attractive in spite of being bald. I’d compare it to cellulite or facial hair on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 04:06 PM
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I’ve never ever been attracted to bald or balding, and probably never will be. Lack of height and lack of hair are the two biggest Ls a man can have
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 04:01 PM
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You’re entitled to your youth, but you’re not entitled to other people’s bodies. Baldness is a turn off and a dealbreaker for most young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 03:57 PM
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So men will ignore their attraction cues out of desperation? How does their dick get hard if they’re not attracted? Sorry, but I’ll never reach that level of desperation for sex or companionship. I’d rather be a single mom or in an asexual lesbian relationship than be married to a man I’m not attracted to. Yes, I think casual sex is dehumanizing all around. This is a conclusion that I took some time to come to. I don’t want to participate in that mutual dehumanization and usery.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 03:54 PM
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Men and women are different, romantic/sexual demand for the average woman is higher than the demand for the average man. Most women can find someone to reproduce with, regardless of their quality. Or they could even use a sperm bank, assuming they got the cash. Males compete, not females. As soon as men come to terms with that and learn to enjoy their natural place as competitors (not judges) they’ll be better off.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 03:20 PM
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Shallow uggo women aren’t forming hate groups and murdering people. Until they do, they get more leeway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 03:18 PM
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It definitely applied to him, and you’re referring to Genghis Khan, not Attila. Genghis had to compete and fight to get to his position, he could have been killed at any point before he left his huge genetic legacy. Fun fact: Genghis had a very “modern” view of women for the time period, he greatly valued the input of his mother and his first wife. He even put his wife in charge of his court and she basically ran his empire from the capital while he continued conquering.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 03:17 PM
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Also, just because a person is ugly themselves, it doesn't mean they are any more likely to find fellow ugly people any more attractive than the rest of us Yep. Ain’t nobody having a worse time than a shallow uggo. That’s incel fuel
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 03:06 PM
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Ok you have 24 hours to cope, clock’s tickin!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 03:03 PM
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Well celebs are a self selected pool of conventionally attractive people to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 03:01 PM
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But what straight women consider ugly and what gay men consider ugly are two different things. A gay man might consider a rough looking man ugly and sloppy while a straight woman just sees someone masculine. A gay man might see a sharply dressed twink and think he’s gorgeous while a straight woman might think he’s childish or superficial and weak looking. Gay men also don’t seem to value height like straight women do, they like short males as ideal bottoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:53 PM
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And if you want that, then you will probably have to lower your standards so that you’re the more attractive partner
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:45 PM
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Male sexuality and female sexuality are not the same. Eggs are valuable, sperm is cheap. Men can lower their standards and still enjoy sex, their biology makes it easy. If a woman isn’t aroused (and never will be) then sex is not pleasurable. Also, why do men match with and entertain people they’re not attracted to? Why do men get hard for people they’re not attracted to? Are men more attracted to sex and holes than people in general? Is the idea of penetrating something with their penis enough …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:39 PM
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Thirsty men (of all sexualities) have low standards. Any hole is a goal for them, I wouldn’t be too flattered. Not to mention, the things gay men find attractive might not be attractive to straight women (small size, meekness, innocence, hairlessness)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:32 PM
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Attraction cannot be negotiated. There's a 99% chance that you've overlooked plenty of quality OLD prospects 0 attraction = 0 quality. As a straight woman, I’d rather be in a dead bedroom with another woman than with an unattractive man. If there’s no sexual attraction, it’s all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:27 PM
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Attraction cannot be negotiated. There's a 99% chance that you've overlooked plenty of quality OLD prospects 0 attraction = 0 quality. As a straight woman, I’d rather be in a dead bedroom with another woman than with an unattractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:26 PM
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Attraction cannot be negotiated.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:24 PM
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That’s not “genocide”, that’s natural selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:18 PM
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That’s not “genocide”, that’s natural selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:17 PM
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That’s not “genocide”, that’s natural selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:17 PM
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That’s not “genocide”, that’s natural selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:17 PM
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That’s not “genocide”, that’s natural selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:17 PM
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You bet your ass my views have changed. No more sex before commitment, any sign of low effort or lack of a chase is a red flag (“if he wanted to, if he values you, he would”), I will judge any man who doesn’t enthusiastically pick up the check (because he’s probably spending money on other dates with other girls), any discussion on past sex is a red flag (he’s a slut shamer) and I will assume most men are users and porn addicts. Basically, I’m single and celibate until I get the girlfriend label…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 01:57 PM
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Yep, listening to the lyrics of some old songs can really ruin them. I heard “turn the page” again the other day at work, and the lyrics You can think about the woman or the GIRL you knew the night before Fucking gross 🤢 pedophilic language and infantilizing women everywhere
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy20/07/21 04:02 PM
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So we’re stuck with short faced, tiny eyed, feminine looking men? That sucks :(
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy15/07/21 03:03 PM
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Any honest woman will get lambasted for being shallow. I know I would lose attraction and would want to break up if my hypothetical husband went bald. That’s like a legit nightmare of mine. I’d rather he gain weight than lose his hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 06:20 PM
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This is exactly what I’m doing right now to get over my ex! Such a great, cathartic idea. Put down all the low value traits on paper, imagine it’s describing a stranger, and then ask yourself “would I want to date this man?” Here’s my shit list: -Borderline personality disorder -Emotionally abusive when under stress -ADHD -Workaholic -Alcoholic -Annoying cutesy pet names and nonsense words -Annoying, immature, repetitive fart jokes -He still let his ex list his address as her’s, the whole time w…
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy31/05/21 04:12 PM
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Oh I meant through consecutive generations of living in more western countries, not individually. If they’ve ever lived in and been immersed in the more conservative culture, that’s probably not a good bet. My boyfriend’s mother is an immigrant from a western country and his grandfather was an immigrant from an Asian country. He and his family are some of the hardest working people I’ve ever met. Especially compared to families that have lived in America for more generations. Longtime bred Ameri…
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy15/05/21 05:32 PM
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This is why I mainly date men with immigrant parents etc they just don’t seem to come at me with such nonsense. Maybe it’s because their parents had to work harder and they’re less entitled/more manly/put more effort in This is a really apt observation. I’d like to second this! Immigrants and children of immigrants often have impressive amounts of work ethic and integrity. They lack the same entitlement/weakness that American men have recently developed, even if they’re also from western countri…
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy15/05/21 04:21 PM
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This is what happens when women’s role as sexual selectors is repressed for thousands of years of patriarchy smh. Hopefully future generations will have higher percentages of attractive men for our granddaughters and great granddaughters. Thankfully for us, sperm banks exist.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy02/05/21 04:49 PM
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They claim to be “logical” and yet try to compare the biological effects of testosterone to melanin 🤦‍♀️ one of these things increases aggressive violent behavior, the other creates pigment.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy01/05/21 02:29 AM
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My boyfriend is so great with animals, he makes fast friends with all the cats and dogs he comes into contact with. How does he do this? By RESPECTING the animal and their body language cues, never pushing them or forcing an interaction. He waits for the cat or dog to approach him, on their own schedule. And when they’re done interacting, he lets them go and do their own thing. He’s actually more of a cat person than I am, I’m more of a dog lover. Lo and behold, he is also a great partner. Good …
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy24/04/21 04:43 PM
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I like having freedom and safety from low value men and I find masculinity attractive. Its not about wanting to feel small and weak, it’s about enjoying being with someone big and strong. It’s not that deep, chief.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 02:15 PM
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A minority of men are naturally monogamous and don’t want to cheat 🤷‍♀️ I’m lucky enough to have one of those men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 05:43 PM
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You’re underestimating the importance of reach
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 01:41 PM
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We don’t care that they’re stronger than us, we want men that are stronger than other men. And taller men are generally more powerful than shorter men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 03:22 PM
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Lol being with someone I’m attracted to who I love is “taking advantage of guys”? Check out this delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 03:03 PM
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Then it’s a stupid false dichotomy. Why is the choice between a guy I’m not attracted to and a guy who doesn’t love me? In real life I can have both
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:58 PM
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Wombs are more valuable than sperm
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:41 PM
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simple yet comfortable life, not particularly exciting or fun to be with on a consistent basis but has his organic moments of fun, humor, romance, etc., not esteemed at his job but is good at what he does, and has real, tangible "love" for you This, but with a hot guy. I like comfort, consistency, and love. But from someone I want to rip the clothes off of.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:51 PM
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Yes, that would be an ideal protector
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:27 PM
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It’s natural, not something people should be ashamed of, especially women. They have a womb to protect from undesirable genes
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:03 PM
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Does that mean all of us AWALTs from FDS are gorgeous in demand models? Thanks for the compliment, we’ll have to refer back to this post the next time a tweRP calls FDS ladies fat and ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 08:04 PM
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The question is who is shittier by nature and who is shittier by circumstance? Males are unilaterally shittier by nature, because of testosterone and brain structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 06:35 PM
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Testosterone has biological impacts on behavior (especially aggression) while melanin does not. Sexism has basis in science, racism does not, because race doesn’t biologically exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 06:22 PM
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This is the future our granddaughters deserve!
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/04/21 07:53 PM
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2 or 3. He gives off rodent vibes
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 03:29 PM
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Being tall doesn't automatically mean hot Speak for yourself, girl! If a guy is tall he’s at least halfway to being hot, all he needs is thick dark hair to reach 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 03:27 PM
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This would be ideal. It’s rape by deception
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 06:18 PM
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That’s like being upset that your boyfriend paid for dates before
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 06:49 PM
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You mean to tell me millions of women throughout history were raped by their husbands just because he was not in the top 20%? Yes. That is what patriarchy is all about
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 06:23 PM
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Aw I love that video! So wholesome and aesthetically pleasing too
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:56 AM
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there are five defining features of a modern democracy: representation; free and fair elections; a multi-party system; separation of power; rule of law and protection of human rights
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:48 AM
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Oh no, if lack of stability is all women find attractive then homeless mental patients should be swimming in pussy. Proved ya wrong. Testosterone inspires men to conquer their environments and create stability. Criminals are in control of their business, they exert their will and force onto the world around them. Their lifestyles are unstable because they’re going against the law, but stoic violent men are in control of the people and things in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:46 AM
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Yes this is what modern democracy means. Your problem is with democracy and rule of the people (ALL the people)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:25 AM
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Think of the most unstable groups of people: homeless, mental patients, elderly people with dementia. Are they attracting women? Or is it the hot masculine men who are in control of their lives and give off a idgaf vibe? It’s not instability or “dark triad”, it’s plain old masculinity aka behavior traits which signify the presence of high testosterone levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:22 AM
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They had a republic which they called a democracy. Definitions of words evolve over time
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:20 AM
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Women are attracted to masculinity and good genes, not lack of stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:17 AM
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A democracy which doesn’t represent its native inhabitants is not a true democracy. Republics that do not include women and people of color are not true democracies. The patriarchy relies on strict social hierarchies, it is pro fascism or oligarchy and anti democracy. Rule of the people is a very feminine concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:15 AM
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You’re partially right, they will further filter hot guys for stability, but they won’t broaden their casual sex horizons 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:13 AM
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Women and people of color are citizens of countries, whether they’re acknowledged as such or not. A democracy is not a true democracy unless it is representative. You’re thinking of a republic
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:04 AM
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More filtering means less casual sex for men in aggregate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:03 AM
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Those weren’t actually democratic governments if women weren’t allowed to vote. Good luck creating the wannabe deadbeat dad political party, I’m sure they’ll get great press
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:01 AM
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This will lead to women not having casual sex at all 😂 an outcome I doubt many men will like
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 01:59 AM
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Sounds like your problem is with democracy. Fascist third world countries are that a way
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 01:56 AM
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Abortion going away in the 21st century is a fairy tale of the alt right. Women have to sacrifice their natural hormonal balance and their physical safety to get fucked casually, that’s an imbalance right there. What’s stopping men from getting financial abortion is the fact that it’s clearly at the expense of women and children, which most people are never going to be ok with. The only way it wouldn’t be at the expense of women and children is if an agreement is made before sex happens (and mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 01:43 AM
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No. Abortion rights aren’t going anywhere in the western world, that’s not part of this discussion. Everything else we’re talking about is fictional hypothetical. If “men’s rights” activists want to make “financial abortion” a thing, they’re not going to make it happen without sacrificing their ability to get their dicks wet casually. And we all know men cannot handle that possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 01:31 AM
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Lol at a short guy calling himself “slut maker”. This makes everything you say so much funnier
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 12:58 AM
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Except you’re the one who wants to change the law books. An attempt was made but now you just look silly turning around an argument that doesn’t work in that context
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 12:55 AM
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They’re pussy diggers
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 12:41 AM
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Nope the paperwork is only for financial abortion. All other laws stay the same for abortion and child support. If all you want is financial abortion as an option, then this is the way to make it happen :) this will also lower the rate of unwanted pregnancy and thus abortions
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 12:38 AM
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The man who wants to financially abort has to bring the paperwork pre-sex, as financial abortion should be opt-in. If he doesn’t bring the paperwork and have her sign before sex happens, then he’s on the hook as normal. This solves the problem of potential deadbeats ever getting laid
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 12:30 AM
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Ok? Dudes will sign up for sex regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 12:24 AM
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I’m only ok with this if the financial abortion agreement is signed BEFORE sex happens
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 10:06 PM
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Exactly. Males are sexual predators by nature and they should be kept behind actual gates
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 04:59 AM
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Ew
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 12:10 AM
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And men evolved to be sexual predators. Maybe they need actual gates?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 11:58 PM
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Someone who is wealthy enough to buy their perfect dream car is going to be a better match with their car than someone who was forced by necessity to drive the first car they can afford. The moment that poor driver gets more money he’ll trade in what he views as the rust bucket he never wanted. You loved your first car because it was your first (novelty) and because it was a gift from your father. Also, women are not objects or cars, although apparently men can only love them as possessions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 11:38 PM
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The most valuable type of status is good genes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 11:31 PM
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It’s almost like there’s a connection between you using women for sex and them being unhappy 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 11:30 PM
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For physical attraction and enjoyable sex, obviously. Plus the social validation of bedding someone hot
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 11:12 PM
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Why would a man with several options choose you? Have you heard of something humans experience called emotional attachment? He doesn't. Women hope he will, so they get used for sex then complain. Mine did. But yeah, this is why women shouldn’t have sex before commitment and before she’s made a man see her as special. The man that you choose without many options will view you as much more special for the reason that most women overlooked him Incorrect. Because a man without options is so desperat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 11:11 PM
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No, they’re always worth something
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:11 PM
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If a man has options then when he does choose a woman his choice implies he thinks she is special
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:10 PM
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You had a point then went off the rails with your final statement. Women don’t like deceitful polygamous men, women like men with options who actually value them as individuals more than a sexual utility. Desperation is such a turn off because it signals a male has bad genes and that whatever bonds he makes won’t be genuine or strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 04:44 PM
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It’s still transactional for “Chad” because he provides his good genes in exchange for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 04:30 PM
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I’m not single but do go off
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 02:52 AM
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I’d tell him sexuality is a spectrum and it’s ok to be gay or trans lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 06:14 PM
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This, but unironically
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 04:56 PM
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High T does not cause balding. Balding is caused by a specific gene which reacts badly to normal levels of testosterone
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 04:37 PM
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it is hypocritical and immoral for women to demand their rights and individual autonomy - which, again, I support - but then turn around and expect men to be some sort of cookie cutter version of what they want. It doesn’t work that way It’s not immoral or hypocritical. Women have no problem staying single if there are no “real men” around. Butch lesbians and masculine trans men still exist if men want to stop being masculine
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 04:28 PM
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The same way generosity is a good trait but being a simp doormat who gives all his time and money for free is a bad thing. Unfortunately, users gonna use and they encourage their victims to retain their doormat behaviors. Then once the jig is up the previously generous or sexually naive person doubles down on self defense and poof you have red pillers and fdsers
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 01:42 AM
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She is too nice and doesn’t like to say no to people. What do most guys want from most girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 01:35 AM
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No. Pickme’s get taken advantage of sexually because they’re people pleasers and female doormats.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 01:31 AM
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Women have to prove themselves to other women. Replace “people” in your comment with “thirsty men”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 04:00 PM
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The former. I have no desire to rape anyone..
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 08:34 PM
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Eugenics for good phenotypes. Gene editing can fix genetic disorders
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 08:33 PM
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Because as soon as I say I’m a certain ethnicity it will be used as ammo against me by certain individuals. So I’ll just keep it as white passing (because that’s pretty much what I identify with culturally and what people assume). I wouldn’t dump someone over family history, but I would be on the lookout for early signs and be prepared to jump ship if the hairline starts to creep. Like men do when their girl (with a fat mom) starts to get a belly. Uh it’s one of those “I know it when I see it” s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 12:30 AM
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It’s the same bait and switch fear men have that their hot thin wife will someday turn into mama June
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 12:15 AM
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I hear you there
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 12:14 AM
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I always knew math was evil!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 12:11 AM
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I don’t want to share my ancestral history on Reddit. None of the men in my family have receding hairlines. My grandfathers died with full heads of hair, my dad in his sixties still has all his hair. I feel safer that an Asian man won’t go bald. White guys can stealth bald suddenly at 50, which would be heartbreaking. I don’t want “big” dicks btw, I don’t enjoy being stretched. I like normal to thin girth with normal to long length.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 12:11 AM
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All I need is one statistical anomaly 🤷‍♀️ And I found him. He’s also somewhat mixed
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 12:02 AM
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Evil is subjective, numbers are objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:55 PM
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Menopause is part of the cycle which keeps our species going. Menopause is an adaptation, balding is just a mutation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:55 PM
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Mixed, white passing, no bald men in my entire family tree. Lol no not all Asians are short or have small penises. Genetic variation exists in all populations. My guy is 6 foot with a normal d and normal jawline
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:54 PM
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Periods and menopause serve a purpose and keep our species going. Baldness is just an eyesore. Rudeness on an anonymous forum isn’t the same as rudeness irl. I don’t care if I “come off as a bitch” with people who only exist on a screen
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:51 PM
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Men aren’t picky with who they donate sperm to. The sperm might as well grow on trees
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:49 PM
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Because they’re gross 🤢 most men with Mediterranean ancestry fixed that for you. I’m insecure that I might marry a hot guy with gorgeous hair and then someday have to pretend I haven’t lost all attraction for him when he starts looking like an old man/infant. Just another reason to date Asian and Native American men almost exclusively.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:48 PM
0

This is a popular misconception that bald guys use to feel better. Their levels are actually average, they just have an abnormal gene which reacts badly to normal androgen levels
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:42 PM
6

They wouldn’t do shit, especially if the man knows how to talk to police. Police need actual evidence to make an arrest
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:40 PM
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The average man can choose to become physically strong, get badass looking tats, and develop a mean expression or body language
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:39 PM
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If I call the police they will ask what ACTIONS the man took
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:33 PM
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“Evil” is not determined by popular vote. The average man is more actively evil than the average woman, just by death count alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:32 PM
1

That stat is based off Caucasian males which predominantly carry the gene that is activated by DTH. Asians, Pacific Islanders, and Native American men do not have the balding gene with the same frequency as Mediterranean Caucasians. A bad gene is one which reduces the organism’s chances of reproduction. By that logic, balding is a bad gene. I won’t need to get over it (or pretend to) because my significant other is Asian and his family doesn’t have any baldies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:31 PM
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Why are you bringing race into this? No one is overtly threatening, all a big tough man has to do is exist and other people will kowtow to him or kiss his ass. The fear doesn’t come from an imminent beating, it comes from the inherent knowledge of power differences
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:29 PM
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Nope. No one goes to jail for being tall and having a mean look about them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:25 PM
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No, I’m not talking about assaulting anyone 🤦‍♀️ This is about being passively intimidating so people treat you with automatic respect
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:23 PM
3

Men don’t have to work nearly as hard to be strong. The strongest man will always be stronger than the strongest woman
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:20 PM
1

“Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” not all evil is the same
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:16 PM
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Those women are not intimidating, they’re viewed as an anomaly or a fetish piece
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:11 PM
2

Things exclusive to cis females: having a womb and menstrual cycles, being able to get pregnant, being physically weaker, having more sensitive senses of smell and better color vision, living longer, having better immune systems, having two X chromosomes, etc Things NOT exclusive to cis females: getting easy sex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:10 PM
3

I wish!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:07 PM
1

You don’t envy any actual part of being physically female, so your comment is moot. What you’re envying also applies to gay males. Good night!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:06 PM
5

Again, that’s not a sex difference, so it’s not relevant to the topic at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:03 PM
1

Not all men “have to” lose their hair. That’s not part of being male, that’s part of having bad genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:02 PM
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You’re not actually envious of any part of the biological female experience, then. You’re envious of people who like dick
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:01 PM
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I’m saying the whole point of this thread is about sex differences (male and female). Ease of catching dick is not exclusive to being female, the way physical strength and peeing standing up is exclusive to maleness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:56 PM
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Finally, a comment about something actually exclusive to the female experience
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:53 PM
2

Value is relative
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:51 PM
6

But men tend to operate like women once they’ve secured sex. Oof big truth. This is another reason for women to put off having sex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:51 PM
2

Some probably do, if they’re high in testosterone levels
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:50 PM
5

Yes it is. I’ve seen the way people treat strong looking men compared to the way they treat women, children, and weak men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:48 PM
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That’s not something exclusive to being biologically female, so it’s not relevant to the topic
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:48 PM
2

To choose no evil at all would mean to choose not to exist. Because existence is a struggle and a competition. We cannot live without taking energy from another organic source, is that not evil?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:47 PM
2

Sex with guys out of their league?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:45 PM
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Someone dating women will have a harder time than someone dating men. Across the board.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:45 PM
4

If you do it subtly it’s not illegal at all. A large, strong male can do this without having to actually punch anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:44 PM
10

Lesbian women do not have unlimited access to sex with other women, because pussy is high value. Gay men have the same ease of sex as straight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:43 PM
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Your point was about access to sex. Anyone can get access to sex with dicks. Lesbian women don’t have the advantage to call up a pussy like a pizza, so this isn’t a perk exclusive to all women. Dick is abundant and low value, it’s available for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:40 PM
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That’s not exclusive to cis women. Anyone can get some sweet dick whenever they want, because dick is abundant and low value
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:39 PM
14

Men can force their will on others with their physical strength. They can passively intimidate others and gain respect with their physical presence. People care about their opinions and feelings out of fear and will avoid upsetting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:30 PM
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Making fun of someone with a dry dick is a lesser evil than making fun of someone with an empty wallet. I won’t feel bad for the way I get my kicks 🤷‍♀️ no one was physically harmed in the making of these lols plus incels are doomed to misery anyway, whether I participate or not
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 10:23 PM
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It doesn’t matter why or how, struggle is struggle and pain is pain. Hurt people hurt people. Everyone’s a little bit shitty 🤷‍♀️ There are no 100% good people, there’s no black and white, just shades of gray. Your comparison isn’t better btw, no one dies from not having sex the way they die from not having money. And no one dies from not being able to lift.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 09:30 PM
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We weren’t always successful, we had to experience shitty parts of male nature before we found our ltrs. No, it would be more like a physically fit athletic dude picking on scrawny dudes who can’t lift. It’s just fun and feels good
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 08:04 PM
2

Oh so you’re at risk of excess clotting, my family’s genetic disorder makes it so the blood doesn’t clot effectively. Opposite end of the spectrum. I’m sorry. Maybe look into the rhythm method and hope you can track your cycle well enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 05:26 PM
2

I also have a blood clotting disorder in my family (I’m a carrier for the gene), but hormonal birth control hasn’t been an issue. Maybe get a second opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 05:14 PM
1

They come with baggage in the form of conservative politics and a maddona-whore complex
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 04:26 PM
1

Mid twenties
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 12:14 AM
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They’re genetic traits
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 09:23 PM
1

That has nothing to do with “pair bonding ability” champ
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 09:17 PM
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I don’t personally value random sexual validation. I don’t use social media or post thirst traps so nothing of value would be lost in my life 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 09:16 PM
1

Is the ugly assertive guy tall? If yes, I’d choose him. If not, I’ll take the hot bitch
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 07:59 PM
2

I like being needed more, there’s more security in that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 06:47 PM
3

No. This is male behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 06:39 PM
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Ew I feel bad for her. AMALT Coolidge effect in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 06:28 PM
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That’s a bizarre expectation to have of anyone in a relationship. I fantasize, he fantasizes, but at at the end of the day we be both want each other more than anyone else in the world. The best part is the people he fantasizes about literally look like me, so it’s sort of reassuring in a way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 06:26 PM
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I did, for the most part. There were one or two exceptions, but most of the guys I slept with I wanted to be with romantically. Women are more holistic in their attraction, because their imperative is to get commitment from the highest value male.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 06:14 PM
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Some of us get to live the dream, after years of wading through AMALTs. Keep the fantasy alive, it’s possible
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 05:49 PM
11

It’s the plot for almost every romantic novel. Hot guy is super thirsty for LOVE not sex, and specifically from the main character.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 05:46 PM
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I already have a boyfriend who only wants me, so yeah. I found a namalt with very little polygamous drive. Dating would have been easier if men like him weren’t so rare
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 05:45 PM
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I would definitely prefer it if men didn’t separate commitment from sex and could only get aroused by women they could imagine marrying. This is separate from sex drive, though. The ideal would be men retaining their thirst but having that thirst directed at relationships instead of casual polygamous sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 05:37 PM
0

FDS cares more about effort than money.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 05:09 PM
1

Ambition, assertiveness, and generosity are personality traits
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 05:16 PM
5

Men hate being penetrated but expect to penetrate their partners
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 07:37 PM
1

Provision and protection go hand in hand. This isn’t about me, I’m satisfied with my partner
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 11:14 PM
1

Mixed breed dogs are actually healthier, have better temperaments, and are less prone to cancers. German shepherds bred in the US are very prone to anxiety and spinal/hip issues. Women want a dog capable of protecting them. When your choices are between a junkyard dog and a chihuahua, it’s a no brainer. There aren’t any well bred German shepherds around anymore. Most men are either weak or toxic these days. The chihuahuas see themselves as and are trying to portray themselves as “good ones” but …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 05:45 PM
1

From a woman’s perspective, an n count of 5 is completely respectable and says you’re desired and know what you’re doing. That’s most of what women care about, it’s less about the number
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:32 PM
1

I’m sorry you feel like that. I do sympathize. I don’t mean to make you feel backed into a corner
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:25 PM
2

I actually really like your definition
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:23 PM
1

That’s unexpected. Why do you want to damage yourself? Is it self harm? Or to fit in?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:20 PM
3

No, that’s more rationalization. Hurting an already hurt person is even more morally bankrupt. Have you heard of the phrase “kicking someone while they’re down”? Is robbing a homeless person “adding excitement to their life”? What about adding another broken bone to someone in a full body cast?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:19 PM
1

You are responsible for both. Your opinion determines the morality of your actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:18 PM
1

But you don’t believe sex damages men. The drug is dangerous to women and not dangerous to men, in your opinion. So supplying women with the drug for your own benefit is immoral
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:17 PM
2

You can choose to be the bad guy or the good guy. It’s often easier and more self serving to be the bad guy. But it’s harder to live with yourself and harder to view yourself as the hero of your story, which is what every human ego wants
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:15 PM
2

Because that’s convenient for you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:13 PM
1

You are responsible for your opinions and your actions. You can change either or both of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:13 PM
1

You provide them the drug which harms them, of which you are aware. You gain more from the interaction than they do. You are the dealer. You’re trying not to be the evil perpetrator soooo hard rn
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:11 PM
2

Yes. But it would be immoral for someone with your opinion to engage in casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:10 PM
1

No. You are the one who determines it because you are responsible for your own actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:10 PM
2

Because you believe casual sex is degrading to women. You believe it devalues them and prevents them from attaining the one thing they want most. That sounds like harm to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:08 PM
1

You’re the dealer in this scenario. You believe the drug doesn’t harm you, but you know it harms the person you’re selling to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:07 PM
1

Drug peddlers are almost universally reviled as bad people. They are knowingly hurting other people for their own gain
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:05 PM
1

I don’t care who you commit to, I care about whether you’re morally consistent and whether you hurt other people. If you don’t believe casual sex harms women, then you can have all the “free” sex you want without being a bad person. But if you DO believe it harms them, then you are behaving in an evil way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:03 PM
1

You’re engaging in an action which you believe hurts the other person. Lying is less evil than that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:02 PM
1

I think people should be entitled to kindness and decency, which includes other people not intentionally engaging in actions which harm them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:01 PM
1

“Tell that to the suckers buying cars with faulty breaks, not me, the guy who sold them the dangerous car”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:00 PM
1

It doesn’t matter who started it. Your choices are your responsibility, your guilt is your responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:56 PM
1

I’m not entitled to anything. But you are not entitled to believe yourself a good person while engaging in immoral actions
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:55 PM
2

If you view it as bad then you are being immoral. Your opinion matters because it determines whether your actions are moral or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:55 PM
1

Ok. But those women aren’t hurting people. Sex negative men engaging in casual sex are hurting people
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:54 PM
1

Rationalization will only assuage guilt temporarily
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:53 PM
2

Truth hurts. Knowing you are engaging in evil while wanting to be good is a hard thing to face
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:53 PM
1

So it’s celibacy, hurting women, or nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:52 PM
1

That sounds like a “you” problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:52 PM
1

It’s about how YOU view casual sex. If you view it as harmful to women then you cannot morally engage in it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:50 PM
1

They’re naive fools, like people who buy cars from shady used car lots. But they’re not evil
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:50 PM
1

Because sex within a relationship is impossible? It’s celibacy, hurting women, or nothing with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:49 PM
1

Hurting other people and rationalizing how you’re still a “good guy” it is. I knew I wouldn’t change your mind, but maybe some male lurkers will reassess their decision making
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:48 PM
1

It doesn’t matter who started it. Your actions and the moral implications of those actions are squarely on your shoulders
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:48 PM
1

It’s only ok for people who do not believe it is harmful or degrading. Sex positive men who do not have Madonna-whore complexes are not immoral for having casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:46 PM
1

Don’t engage in activities you believe harms people, it’s not fair to other people
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:45 PM
1

Then maybe you should re-examine that preference or else travel to a country with a completely opposite culture. Having a strict preference means your dating pool with be very small.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:44 PM
1

They should know better. But it is on you morally. Taking advantage of and hurting naive people to benefit yourself is immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:42 PM
1

Having clearly communicated preferences does not make you an asshole. It might make you a hypocrite, but at least you wouldn’t be actively hurting other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:41 PM
1

It would be immoral because the faulty breaks would harm them and others. They should know better than to buy a car with faulty breaks, but you should also know better than to sell a car with faulty breaks. Knowingly causing harm to other people to benefit yourself is the definition of evil. I think you just don’t want to come to terms with the moral inconsistencies of your actions and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:40 PM
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If you’re knowingly causing harm you are committing an immoral act. You don’t need to lie about the brakes in the car, selling someone a car with faulty brake lines is immoral. It doesn’t matter if they’re too stupid to know to ask about the quality of the brakes. Either come to terms with that or change the way you view the product. If you believe casual sex is not damaging to women, you can morally have as much casual sex as you want. But so long as you view casual sex as damaging to women, en…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:32 PM
0

If you want a guard dog would you pick a German shepherd or a chihuahua?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:29 PM
1

It is the same in spirit. You are knowingly selling a bad product that will hurt the other person. That’s evil, plain and simple. Either accept that you’re a bad guy and do what you want, or try to be a good guy and not do what you want. Or else change your views on the product you’re selling (casual sex)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:21 PM
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Male nature is still worse. It’s hard to love a polygamous predatory cradle robber
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:06 PM
1

“Not my life, not my responsibility. They should have checked the brake lines before buying the car. Talk to the suckers instead”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 03:58 PM
1

“How are you gonna get mad at me for conning stupid people and act like they’re victims? How about they choose to not spend their money if they are such victims here? The whole idea that people can buy whatever they want and they shouldn’t have to accept the consequences of buying a bad product is bullshit” If you actually believe your product is good (casual sex isn’t harmful to women) then pursuing casual sex is not immoral. But if you believe your product is bad (casual sex harms women) then …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 03:54 PM
1

“Do you see me buying a car from a shady used car lot? Those idiot customers are asking to be fleeced, they should be smarter or have more money to buy from a reputable dealer who doesn’t roll back the odometer. I never actually lied to them. They willingly bought this car”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 03:47 PM
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“Maybe they shouldn’t have been so mean to salespeople if they didn’t want to get conned. How about people behave more responsibly with their money if they don’t want to get stolen from?” Immoral rationalization hamster goes brrrrr
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 03:33 PM
3

“They are willing to buy this ‘golden gate bridge’ from me, how am I conning them?”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 03:31 PM
1

“It’s not my life. It’s not like they wouldn’t have gotten robbed without me stealing from them. Someone else would have done it, it might as well be me benefiting from their suffering”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 03:29 PM
1

It doesn’t matter who “started it” if you’re willingly actively contributing to people’s suffering, you are acting immorally. It’s on you to behave in accordance with morality, or else abandon any selfish ideation about being the hero in your story. “Why is it on me not to steal? Why is it on me not to murder? Why is it on me not to con people? Someone else will do it anyway, so it might as well be me” this is how a villain rationalizes their evil
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 03:26 PM
4

If you believe casual sex is damaging and you’re actively trying to damage people, you are indeed the bad guy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 03:13 PM
1

Nope, we still wouldn’t stop. Low value males are nature’s punching bags
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:22 AM
3

Yes, I’m attracted to masculinity. Masculinity is powerful and willful. It’s “dark” because at its best it protects the weak from even darker dangers. Confidence and dominance correlate with protective abilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:17 AM
0

Did you seriously just say looks are irrelevant to genes? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 03:52 AM
8

It can’t make attraction, but it can break it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 09:21 PM
3

I would rather he just get tired of being open, because they’re a lovely couple otherwise. And she’s kinda stuck with him, they’ve entangled their lives and finances. I used to be jealous of her before I met my boyfriend, but honestly her situation sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 08:45 PM
2

But having empathy doesn’t mean we’re going to sacrifice ourselves and risk having autist babies so you can get your dick wet For real. Why would a woman do that to her future children? Making more autists is cruel
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 08:23 PM
1

Nice attempt at shaming women into becoming free prostitutes
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 08:09 PM
1

This sounds a lot like a word that rhymes with dope and begins with a c
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 04:42 PM
1

For real, it’s an insult to the woman. But my friend is willing to put up with it because she loooves him so much
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 04:33 PM
1

Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 04:32 PM
1

Nah the narrative is the same. She’s the hottest he could realistically attain
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 04:31 PM
1

It can be if that makes him less competitive or more likely to choose other men over his family
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 04:24 PM
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He’s one of the hottest guys I’ve ever met personally, and he comes from money. That’s the only way any woman would put up with this crappy deal. He does give good d, ask me how I know
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 12:39 AM
3

They already passed the hypergamous filter in the first place. It’s a pass/fail evaluation, not a scale out of 10 the way men perceive things
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 12:18 AM
1

Sorry but your guilt might be warranted. If you do a hit and run in your car you’re still guilty, even though you never intended to hurt anyone when you got in your car. I can’t tell you what you should or should not do, only that the best choice is the one which limits suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 12:17 AM
2

Sometimes the naturalistic fallacy isn’t a fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 12:12 AM
3

Oh so he’s not the type to approach? So you were probably the hottest girl who presented herself overtly and persistently, in a way that’s easy for him
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 12:05 AM
3

Perfectly stated. I believe the expectation of and preoccupation with happiness ironically makes people less happy. We should be chasing fulfillment, or “confident state of content” like you put it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 12:03 AM
2

You’re probably the hottest woman he’s had the option of being with
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 11:55 PM
3

High value is partially subjective. Women aren’t attracted to men they personally perceive as low value
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 11:54 PM
3

They’re happy to have easy sex
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 09:45 PM
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If she’s attracted to him, he’s high value. Your personal definition of high value is irrelevant. You’re like a blue piller “if she was actually hot, smart and classy then she wouldn’t have become a plate”. No true scotsman and plain old denial. Losing time alone is WAY better than losing time + getting pumped and dumped and losing confidence as a result. You’re wrong and the blue pillers are wrong. Game works on intelligent classy women, and girl game works on hot guys with abundance mentality.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 09:43 PM
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All it takes is ONE man to catch feels and fall prey to sunk cost fallacy. It doesn’t need to work on all men for it to be an effective strategy. It’s a numbers game, like anything else. In the meantime, the woman loses nothing and gains dates, dinners, and validation. Ironically, you’re using the same arguments blue pillers use against trp. “It doesn’t work, and if it does work then it only works on low quality people”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 09:35 PM
0

Whose league? I’d say my bf and I are in the same league
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 09:33 PM
0

Confidence can be built, genetics can’t be altered (yet). I lucked out with a hot guy who has almost too much confidence lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 09:31 PM
1

She should only be interacting and spending time with men that she considers the cream of the crop.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 09:28 PM
1

No, we don’t want hot guys who are less confident to think relationships aren’t for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 09:28 PM
0

Then good riddance. Not all will move on, some will catch feels and invest time and money
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 08:32 PM
3

Sure, but thats because of their unattractiveness, not because relationships or women are bad
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 08:32 PM
2

I still do, but I also notice it makes him lazier. Too bad he’s so sexy and I have a libido 🤷‍♀️ The positive side effect is he becomes more cocky/confident too, so it’s a trade off.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 08:30 PM
3

Height is a prerequisite. Not being unhealthy and unhygienic goes without saying. Lifting isn’t necessary, but having some kind of physical activity is. Dad bod is ok
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 08:12 PM
3

We’re the opposite, lust triggers love. Why can’t men be like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 08:03 PM
0

Intentions are irrelevant, a pump and dump is a pump and dump. No one should be going on dates with people they’re not “fuck yes” about
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 08:00 PM
0

That’s up for the individual attractive men to decide. Some men prefer loving ltr sex and have the goal of creating a family legacy and having a partner to grow old with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:54 PM
3

There are billions of human beings, though. I sure feel lucky, I must have beaten the odds
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:52 PM
5

That amount of effort is necessary to maintain female desire for sex. It’s not “unrealistic” if he was capable of giving that sort of treatment in the first place. When he stops putting in the same “Superman” level of effort, the woman feels like she’s being punished or downgraded. So she reacts accordingly. Men would feel similarly if their girl gave porn star superwoman sex early on and then stopping giving blowjobs altogether later. People should be consistent with their effort if they want c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:51 PM
1

They’re a bad deal for unattractive men, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:47 PM
6

Because most men don’t inspire lust in straight women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:43 PM
5

Neither of us use social media lol that stuff is superficial and juvenile. We’re going strong for over a year, all the boxes remain ticked. The more time I spend with him, the more sure I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:42 PM
0

I don’t think we can blame online dating for men’s sexual usury behavior. Online dating only makes it easier for users to use people. “You meet a guy who’s just rich enough to use for a few dates, but not rich enough to leech off long term” is how a female user would think. It’s not the fault of technology for the ugly sides of human nature. Technology only reveals what was already there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:39 PM
6

Could very well be. Like another commenter said, it might just be human nature to be eternally dissatisfied with their current position, whatever that is. “Grass is always greener” mentality might be an adaptation to push individuals to improve their fitness. Maybe we never would have left Africa without that impulse?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:32 PM
8

The attraction women feel for their optimistic projection of male nature is very much real. We dream of handsome men as benevolent loyal princes who will improve our lives and defend the weak. The reality of male nature kills that. It’s hard to love a polygamous predatory cradle robber.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:24 PM
10

All babies would be ivf born to lesbian partners or single mothers. Somehow I doubt red pillers would be happy with that or be happy with simulated attraction they pay for. It’s better for everyone when the sexes can still project and fantasize, that naive optimism is necessary for romance and family formation. Men hate female nature and women hate male nature, the white lies and compromises are what make hetero relationships possible. As a straight woman, I mourn my youthful idealism and naïvet…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:21 PM
17

It’s a sad state of affairs. Unfortunately it’s up to the strung along party to leave a bad deal
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:14 PM
12

Women would still have sex with each other and their sex toys. But yes, knowing male nature kills any hetero romantic ideation in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:12 PM
4

simply being at a decent weight and dressing/acting feminine is often plenty to attract a man Women don’t want “A man”, they want “a hot compatible committed man”. Getting that takes effort. Being attractive as a guy is enough, if you’re willing to lower your standards to women significantly less attractive. A woman who has achieved her hypergamous dreams will treat her man like a king.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:07 PM
8

Because these guys want pump and dumps, not relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:05 PM
2

They definitely know within the first couple dates, before sex happens
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:03 PM
3

AWALT and AMALT. Men are all the same too, women have just accepted this as reality. It doesn’t take a master of manipulation, all it takes is observing what the target wants and then emulating that fantasy with enough consistency. Players do this all the time with “future faking”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:00 PM
5

Not all women are naturals, some of us have to learn girl game and social maneuvering consciously as an adult. All men are capable of manipulating women significantly less attractive than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:58 PM
6

No. Men perceive a pursuing woman as an easy lay, but they will not fall in love with that woman. Males pursue, females select. If he’s already in love and in a relationship, having his female partner initiate sex will make him even more lazy and complacent.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:56 PM
3

All men have human psychology that can be manipulated. It may be more difficult to incite sunk cost fallacy in a man with abundance mentality, but it’s certainly not impossible. Abundance mentality is not a bullet proof shield against catching feels
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:55 PM
11

Because the male partner stops wooing and pursuing her. Female sexual drive is triggered by being actively desired by someone hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:50 PM
8

Both partners should have “passive dread game” by maintaining their attractive qualities. Men also stop putting in effort once they see sex and ownership of the woman as a “sure thing”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:46 PM
5

Ambition, passion, competency, and work ethic usually translate to financial success.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:44 PM
4

Awareness doesn’t change subconscious instincts and behaviors. I consciously know about the halo effect but I still think and behave unconsciously in accordance to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:40 PM
4

Male brains and personalities are more varied, because of the mutations in the Y chromosome. There will be hot weird guys out there who don’t have the “normal” male imperative for sexual variety. My boyfriend is one of these strange hot dudes, he’s always been about ltrs, even when offered casual. We joke that he’s female brained because he basically is going by the female life script.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:39 PM
2

Precisely. And men’s perceptions aren’t fool proof, they can be tricked into viewing a woman as “hotter”, especially with enough time and sunk cost fallacy. This is where girl game comes in handy, the woman needs to behave as though she is hotter than he is, as though she has hotter options waiting in the wings to commit and mate guard. This triggers competitive and possessive behavior in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:36 PM
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This. It’s either “fuck yes” or no. If a man is not “fuck yes” for you in early dating stages, he never will be. For women, attraction cannot be negotiated. For men, commitment cannot be negotiated.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:33 PM
3

Would a man “enjoy the relationship as it is” if he was receiving no sex but paying for all dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:32 PM
5

Men aren’t wired for patience the way women are. Testosterone increases risk-taking behavior, like giving up your leverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:31 PM
8

A woman only needs to find ONE romantically-minded hot guy willing to concede the male imperative to achieve their victory condition. A man needs to maintain a rotation of multiple women their entire lives to achieve their’s. I can tell which one is less likely to happen, especially when most men are genetically ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:29 PM
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It’s as unlikely as the male fantasy of a semi-open relationship with many mistresses on the side. Some people can pull it off, and those people are very, very happy. I know a guy who has a bisexual forever girlfriend and an “open” relationship with a one penis policy. He’s very happy, his girlfriend much less so. The women who have hot husbands who pursue them forever are similarly very, very happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:25 PM
1

Leverage and patience are everything. Women are the masters of patience, we wait 9 months for a baby. Men are more likely to cave to their thirst.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:22 PM
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Understanding will not change behavior, desires or drives. Women are only miserable when men do not behave in accordance to the female imperative. Women are very, very happy with a monogamous hypergamy-satisfied relationship in which the man continues to “woo” her forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:19 PM
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Because women do not value novelty the way men do. For women, a monogamous relationship that satisfies hypergamy is the ultimate victory condition. Why wouldn’t you want to expend effort to maintain that win? Even if women do “understand” male nature, they will never like it or agree with it. Our imperatives are at odds. So women will forever try to strong-arm men into satisfying their imperative and men will do the same thing on their side. Men will try to make women “ok” with being forever-pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:15 PM
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It’s dangerous to be honest with men in real life. The anonymous internet is the only place where women can be honest without suffering physical or social consequences. As long as society expects women to be less shallow and more concerned with protecting other people’s feelings, women will continue with the white lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:11 PM
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And no one should give anything away for free, be it commitment or sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:09 PM
5

How..generous of you. Maybe you should reconsider your preconceived notions about female behavior? The ideal man has traits from both the lust and love categories. Lust needs to exist for love to develop. I’m very fortunate that my boyfriend ticks all my boxes
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:00 PM
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Lust triggers: tall height, thick dark hair, confident attitude, appearance of strength and power, charisma, dangerous or mysterious vibes, passion and a zest for life, the kind of guy who won’t take shit from anyone and won’t let anything get in the way of his goals Love triggers (lust must already be established): wit, devotion, humor, maturity, ambition, empathy and kindness (to women, children, and animals), sensitivity to my feelings, generosity, creativity, protectiveness, stoicism, social…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:38 PM
0

Number 5 is really gross
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 04:46 PM
2

I often feel subordinate or that others have low expectations of me, the thought of being a respected speaker or an authority is like a dream. Your kind words are really helpful, I’m going to do some more research on breaking this sort of anxious habit
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 01:50 AM
3

Thanks for the advice 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 01:36 AM
3

Oh fuck how do I change this
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 11:06 PM
1

It negates your point entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 09:55 PM
3

“Mind reading” is using empathy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 04:43 PM
1

Men aren’t hypergamous because they don’t bear the same biological parental investment as women do. Dishonest and dangerous men are the cause of women’s problems. If men were honest about their intentions, hypergamy and pump and dumps would be irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 09:01 PM
1

Or maybe for women sexual attraction and the desire for a relationship go hand in hand
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:59 PM
2

Attraction cannot be negotiated
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:55 PM
1

Hypergamous behaviors are good for women and the gene pool. Male polygamous behaviors are damaging to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:47 PM
2

Sounds like it’s men lying and using women for sex is what’s damaging, not attempting hypergamy. Hypergamy is normal female sexuality, it’s necessary for arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:46 PM
2

It’s almost like women want and value relationships more than meaningless sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:38 PM
1

Non sequitur. The bias in the justice system between rich and poor is worse than the bias between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:14 PM
1

You’re right, everything but one or two little things (money and love). But having commitment and a child from a 10/10 is still winning from an evolutionary perspective. Male attraction is meaningless, but attractive male commitment and devotion has value.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 07:16 PM
2

It’s about the behavior within context. A man who is violent in the mma ring is not the same as a man who is violent in his personal life. A woman who is promiscuous while single is not the same as a woman who is promiscuous while in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 06:42 PM
1

This would not bother me too much, I’d still get everything I want and basically win the game of life. Male attraction is meaningless and not validating, if he can get hard for me then he’s sufficiently attracted. If necessary I would seduce him or get hotter or just slip him some boner pills 😂 my blowjobs would make him love me eventually. Or else I’d open the relationship and have a boyfriend on the side who actually loves me. The problem would be the finances, is he willing to spend money on …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 06:31 PM
2

No way, that’s creepy and speaks to a strong Madonna/ Whore complex and the perspective of women as objects. I like role play, but if my boyfriend ever suggested such a scene I would be instantly turned off and would likely stay that way for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 06:26 PM
1

Being wary of men IS taking responsibility for our own safety. It’s just not in the way men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 06:16 PM
1

Race is not real, but sex linked differences in violent behavior are very much real.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 06:16 PM
0

Race is a social construct, but sex differences are real and based in biological reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 06:15 PM
1

Race is a social construct. Sex differences are real, especially the differences in violent and aggressive tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 06:09 PM
1

Race doesn’t exist, sex differences do exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 06:05 PM
1

I assume if I was a man I wouldn’t have any empathy barriers in regards to how I get my dick wet. And I would have enough testosterone to make risk taking behaviors more appealing (especially if I was taking extra t or steroids). So, I would get physically strong (possibly take roids), sell or make drugs, accumulate money doing that, and prey on impoverished addict women in desperate situations. Most unattractive men on the internet are too high inhibition to take a life path with any amount of …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 04:55 PM
2

Absolutely wouldn’t date men if kids and financial stability are off the table. I date men for the sole purpose of finding a life partner to build a family with. My vibrator gives me better sexual satisfaction than casual sex, and close friends and family provide emotional satisfaction. I do enjoy bonding emotionally with my life partner. But I don’t date for “fun” or for sex, the way men seem to do. If you gave me a crystal ball and told me my boyfriend would never give me marriage and kids I’d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 06:08 PM
3

They’re not realistic for the average short balding sperg
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 05:44 PM
1

Thousands of years of patriarchy and repressed female sexual selection has made the genetic traits women are attracted to (tall height, high testosterone levels, strong jaws, and thick heads of hair) very scarce in the overall population. A few generations of free sexual selection should solve this problem and make genetically attractive men less rare. Unfortunately, humans reproduce very slowly so it will take hundreds of years to undo the dysgenic effects of patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 05:40 PM
1

The power of the womb is real in the natural world, which is the one we’re living in
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 05:38 PM
1

Yeah he’s cute, my head canon is he got lost on the way to burning man and is stoned out of his mind. He wouldn’t be as hot without the horn hat and the tats
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 06:04 PM
2

Kin selective altruism is any self sacrificial behavior toward someone you share genes with (the amount of shared genetic material is irrelevant, so long as it’s a non 0 number). Reciprocal altruism is self sacrificial behavior which goes back and forth in a reciprocal manner (you scratch my back, I scratch yours). Both of things types of altruism have been observed in the animal kingdom. “Pure” altruism is self sacrificial behavior toward someone unrelated who will not reciprocate the sacrifice…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 08:57 PM
1

Bonobos seem much more fun to study and work with than chimps. Jane Goodall picked the wrong ape cousin!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 08:44 PM
2

Altruism is proven to exist, but not “pure” altruism. It’s usually kin selection or reciprocal altruism which takes place
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 08:37 PM
2

Patriarchy is sexual strategy for beta males, the strategy consists of repressing and controlling female sexuality. It’s mate guarding for males that can’t physically attract mates or mate guard those women themselves (because of bad genes).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 08:18 PM
1

They’re shopping for boyfriends, not reveling in sexual variety. The fun comes from the belief that they can have the men they’re fucking for commitment, if they knew the truth they would stop “having fun”. But men will continue to pull the wool over their eyes for as long as they spread their legs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 08:08 PM
1

They’re trying to trade pussy for optimum commitment and 💰. And not doing a very good job of it, thots need fds or onlyfans
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 08:02 PM
1

I really enjoy relationships and the little rituals that come with them. Early dating is my least favorite part, because it feels like a disingenuous performance and a judgmental evaluation. I guess I dislike having to pretend my boyfriend’s immature jokes are funny or having to watch football and root for his team when the games are on. But even that I can find some enjoyment in, making him happy makes me happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 08:00 PM
1

This is the only dating or relationship ritual I dislike and wish I didn’t have to participate in. I guess men don’t see it as a ritual, but as someone actually performing the ritual, I sure do. Treading the fine line of “sexy but not slutty” is very difficult and most women overshoot and end up in the “fuckzone” box. I guess it’s similar to the “nice guy vs predator” dichotomy men have to navigate. Is that a ritual too? Idk
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 07:54 PM
1

It’s not a fair trade biologically. The female imperative and the male imperative have different “victory conditions”. For males, sex is a win. For females, high value commitment is a win. Sex without commitment is a net loss for straight women, and also dangerous. The vagina is more likely to catch stds, sex is more physically taxing on the female body, and women are less likely to orgasm. Males get more value from casual sex than women do, they are achieving their reproductive imperative at th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 07:50 PM
2

Sure. I can’t sympathize with the guy who “has to wait” because I don’t see that as a losing position, he still gets enthusiastic sex and a relationship eventually. I guess you can’t see the girl who “took a chance” as a victim either, because you see sex as a win no matter what. You’re so wrong on one thing, though. Women DO NOT have more bargaining power with men they are actually attracted to, horny women can be just as dumb as horny men. Add in scarcity mindset because hot guys are so rare. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 07:44 PM
1

Sex for sex is never a fair trade for straight women, regardless of the man’s value. It’s only worth it if she gets commitment or 💰, preferably both
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 07:38 PM
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I want it “on” when I’m in a relationship with a man who protects and provides, and otherwise “off”, so I’m not tempted into a bad deal. Hookups or Fwb situations are “the worst trade deal in history” for straight women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 07:36 PM
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It is the objective truth about human socio sexual behavior, you can choose not to accept it. But females are the sexual selectors and they are the ones which determine male value. Male value is determined by genetic factors, being muscular or on a magazine cover doesn’t make him high value if his genes remain unchanged. Money is the only thing that can offset the male’s lack of genetic value to create equal value to a womb. All wombs have value, only men with good genes or vast resources are hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 07:18 PM
1

Oh my goodness thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 07:11 PM
2

The most masculine looking women would become king
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 07:08 PM
3

This is natural because of hypergamy. Females DO have more value, a man and woman with the same traits are not equal in smv.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 07:05 PM
0

Because there’s a mismatch in attractiveness. Short = fat
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 07:04 PM
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That’s only the case for homosexual couples. Heterosexual men and women are evaluated differently for the same traits, because of sexual dimorphism and the difference in parental investment. Straight women value genetic traits more, straight men value traits related to health and fertility more. Short man (low genetic value) and fat woman (low health/fertility value) are a match. Thin or fit women (high health/fertility) seek out men with high value genes (tall men with nice faces and hairlines)…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 06:58 PM
-1

So close to the cut off! Not your problem but clearly you’re white knighting for short dudes. Short guys and fat girls are equivalent, there’s nothing unfair about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 06:50 PM
-2

All chicks of all weights hate short guys, deal with it 💋 Lousy options are a match for other lousy options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 06:43 PM
1

I want a manual switch I can flip on and off at my convenience when it’s strategically sound. Can’t get tricked into sex without commitment if the switch is firmly in “off” mode. No self control needed, no worrying about being slutty or not getting full value for sexual access. Once the guy has invested enough, then I could safely flip the switch to “on” and enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 06:38 PM
2

Ethical sluts 👍 do share some of your favorite clips
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 06:30 PM
2

A short man is also a lousy option.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 06:19 PM
2

That would make a lot of sense. Bonobos seem more cooperative and social by nature than the competitive warlike chimpanzee. I found this article talking about bonobo referential communication. https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2015-09-wild-bonobos-referential-gestural-intentions.amp It appears female bonobos are the “social geniuses” of our ape cousins
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 06:13 PM
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Chimps are also altruistic, though. But I see what you’re saying. Interestingly enough, one of the most observable differences between humans and chimps are instinctive understanding of referential pointing. This speaks to our differences in actionable cooperation. Chimpanzees typically gather food alone, because even within a troop they will steal food from each other. So “pointing out” food locations never cropped up as an adaptation. I wonder if bonobos understand what pointing means?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 06:09 PM
1

It’s the frontal lobe (which is responsible for logical self control and understanding consequences of actions) which prevents that. But honestly people do scare the shit out of me “I’m not afraid of god, I am afraid of man”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 06:03 PM
1

It is true. Sometimes I wish I could go back to pretending all men are benevolent feminists inside but forced by the patriarchy to be toxic. Now I believe in AMALT and I see it everywhere. I even see it in your post, there’s understanding but no sympathy except for “the next guy” and his insecurities. Why not have sympathy for the previously naive taint licker who now has to be more jaded and guarded? Male sexuality is predatory and you decry that the girl won’t be as “easy prey” for the next ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 05:52 PM
2

It is a ritual for women to be forced to behave like a goalkeeper in a sport they wish was cooperative instead of competitive. Male sexuality necessitates this ritual, because of their instincts for paternal uncertainty. Men may not view this as a ritual, but it really is one. The “I’m not a slut but I’m still attracted to you” dance is the female side of the coin of early dating performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 05:45 PM
2

Navigating the Madonna/whore complex in the early stages. Don’t put out too soon or you’re placed in the “not gf material” box but don’t wait too long or he’ll lose interest. If male sexuality was more like female sexuality (commitment and sex being closely linked) this wouldn't even be an issue, because sexual intimacy would coincide with emotional intimacy. I like the other social rituals, because I like being wooed and pursued.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 05:38 PM
2

Chimp nature is human nature
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 05:32 PM
1

Just skip to step 7, that’s what manlets should have been doing in the first place. Balding manlets should settle even more
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 05:26 PM
1

Nope it comes from a testosterone-sensitive gene that causes baldness at any level of testosterone higher than a teenage boy’s. This is baldie cope
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 04:19 PM
1

Men in pain get violent, women in pain don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 08:02 PM
6

I love that male drive, but I hate polygamy. You can choose to channel that energy into pursuing a life partner while you wank it to porn or pay sex workers. This is what responsible men do with those instincts, instead of leading women on. Find someone you want to fuck AND be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 04:54 PM
5

I’m here to promote the female imperative and fight the male imperative. If TRP used their knowledge to be better alpha bucks and facilitate hypergamy, I would have no problem with that. Instead, they use the knowledge to pump and dump and regress to sexist fundie conservative dogma. And I hate lvm, so I come here to have fun poking them with sticks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 04:50 PM
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most of us aren’t going to straight up deny an opportunity for sex because of it This is the root of the problem. Men need to be willing to lose out on sex and be honest about their intentions and feelings. Men should be prioritizing relationships, especially the unattractive men, because most sex happens within ltrs. Stop looking for sex, start looking for partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 04:30 PM
1

Like gifted prodigious children, though. I just wanna be taken care of Mr. Trebek!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 02:25 AM
0

🚪 number 2 plz
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 09:21 PM
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This :( sad but true. So glad I found FDS and stopped doing this self destructive shit
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 07:29 PM
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Are tall, sharp-jawed, thick-haired men the majority where you live? Sounds like paradise
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 07:13 PM
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“Toxic” masculinity is masculinity that is targeting women and children instead of other male competitors. Positive masculinity > toxic masculinity > no masculinity (weak male)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 07:11 PM
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Those traits correlate with other traits which make a man a better protector and provider - ambition, confidence, social savvy, risk taking, drive, and willingness to do whatever it takes to ensure the survival of his family.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 07:07 PM
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Masculine men are assholes to competitors, as they should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 07:05 PM
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“(If I can’t own a virgin) I don’t want monogamy”. I shortened it to make the meaning clearer. You don’t want monogamy, you want a sex slave. Sorry those aren’t available in the modern first world, but they’re still in stock in third world nations.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 07:03 PM
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Non masculine men interpret masculinity as “asshole” behavior. “Assholes” are survivors and warriors that are more capable of protecting and providing for their families. The ideal man is an “asshole” to other men (threats and competition) while being good to his family.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 07:00 PM
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Those sound like excuses to justify why you’re going against the normative life path. You can admit you don’t actually want monogamy instead of reaching for rationalizations. It’s ok to not want monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:58 PM
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Having any girl improves social standing, it provides social preselection.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:52 PM
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“Good” traits are traits which increase chances of survival and reproduction. So yes, women do select for evolutionarily positive traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:51 PM
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The market decides that, not you. And btw this view reinforces FDS strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:50 PM
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Or maybe you never wanted it and now you’ve latched onto an excuse to justify that. Don’t act like such a victim of “society” make your choices and own them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:43 PM
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You don’t value monogamy if you desperately need someone to talk you into it. Either you believe the “sacrifices” are worth building a life together with a romantic partner, or they’re not. It seems like you’re not wired or cut out for monogamous relationships. That’s ok, stick to tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:41 PM
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You don’t get to decide who “deserves” what, the free market does. And now that women are finally free, the gene pool will prosper because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:40 PM
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AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:39 PM
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I’m not here to try to convince you to value ltrs when you clearly don’t. It’s exhausting. Go wild on tinder, idgaf 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:38 PM
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Women were forced to marry men they weren’t attracted to, but hypergamy is as old as sexual reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:37 PM
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AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:31 PM
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Men and women are different. Women are meant to be hypergamous
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:31 PM
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Of course, monogamy is the normal expectation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:29 PM
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I’m glad most other males don’t display your levels of hypergamy. My boyfriend likes the dynamic where he’s “better” or above me. He likes knowing that he’s hot and the boss and I worship him 🤩
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:28 PM
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You are wrong, but it ain’t magical. Men commit to women “lower” than they are all the time, and those men have the strongest most passionate relationships. You might just be especially hypergamous for a male. Other males don’t struggle with having a partner that is “lesser” so long as she keeps the balls empty and belly full.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:24 PM
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I already did, though. He’s taller, fitter, more popular, and makes more money than I do. Realities you dislike don’t magically become delusions just because you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:19 PM
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I already got what I want, a hot guy who also protects and provides. Sorry eggs are worth more than sperm and you’re just figuring this out lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:17 PM
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Sure, from men better looking than them that satisfy their hypergamy. Men exchange good looks + provision for good looks + fertility in the modern first world. If you want the old deal: exchanging money for good looks and fertility, then it’s prostitutes or mail order brides for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:13 PM
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Nah it’s good genes in exchange for good genes in the modern first world. Women can make their own money, stop acting like your “maturity and skills” are gold, they’re not
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:11 PM
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It’s more valuable than a hunk of metal; it can create life and motivate men to build monuments or go to war
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:07 PM
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A woman who is hotter than you will treat you like shit so you’re just determined to be unhappy lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:05 PM
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Ok so you’re using her because you can’t find someone hotter. Sucks to be her. You sound pretty hypergamous yourself, very feminine
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:05 PM
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Bro you’re adamant about being unhappy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:04 PM
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Marriage is not fucked, it’s just not meant for males who are unwilling to compete and do their half of the mating dance. All females are hypergamous, and that’s a good thing. Go your own way with prostitutes if you don’t want to deal with the realities of the animal kingdom and your place within it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:56 PM
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A woman who views you as her best, most physically attractive option will let you walk over her, and she will be happy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:54 PM
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It makes perfect sense from an evolutionary perspective. If you want your genes to die out, that’s your business. The fertile womb is and will always be a prize for males to compete for. Casual sex and prostitutes are an option, but they will not provide a genetic legacy or support in old age.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:52 PM
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For guaranteed consistent access to a vagina, paternal security, and romantic harmony. And don’t forget the lovey dovey feelings and ego boosts. If all a man cares about is having sex with the hottest woman possible, he should rent prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:48 PM
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For lifelong access to a womb and positive female energy. If you don’t value having a genetic legacy or a female partner who treats you like a king, then that’s your prerogative. A wife who does not have her hypergamy satisfied will be a nagging resentful harpy. Is that worth having a partner who’s better looking than you (who will inevitably divorce your ass)?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:45 PM
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It is entirely justified in the whole animal kingdom, when females have higher parental investment than males. Female sexual selection fuels the evolution of species. You’re wrong, a woman with her hypergamy satisfied will make the best wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:42 PM
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And we’re discussing sex, not relationships. Men don’t care about their children’s genetic well being, they care about their own money and their own sex lives. Men’s priorities change for relationships because they stand to lose money and because they want to mate guard the hottest female they can have sex with. It’s not because they want their children to be more biologically fit than they are. Men will pop out bastards with the lowest quality women and not donate a cent, if they can get away w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:33 PM
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Men do not feel the same way at all. Men will “donate” their sperm to any hole, they don’t care about genetic quality and they don’t lose anything by having sex with someone less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:30 PM
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That’s because of the value of eggs, not the drive for sex. Sex is only “worth it” for women if it guarantees better genetic quality for her potential offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 04:48 PM
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There are fixed genetic traits associated with sexual dimorphism that trigger attraction for straight women. Unfortunately, those traits are rare in today’s male population. Women perceive a prospective partner holistically, not as a sum of body parts (like male brains do) and grade on a pass/fail instead of on a gradient.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 04:45 PM
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Because men have literally burned female perverts at the stake lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 04:36 PM
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Social shaming from the patriarchy and a cultural Madonna-whore complex. Men do not like real female sexuality (whore) so women have to perform an artificial male-centric “virtuous” sexuality (Madonna) to avoid social consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 04:35 PM
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She only needs to win once to win the entire game, the female strategy is about patience, hedging bets, and holding onto assets. All it takes is ONE 7 or 8 man with limited market knowledge, blue pill values, and a specific type of girl he’s attracted to for this strategy to work. The male strategy is a numbers game, because males pursue. He needs to win over and over to “win the game” of male sexual strategy. To have more consistent success across the board, he’d be better off lowering his stan…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 04:08 PM
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Male sexual attention is valueless, high value male commitment has value. Sexual attention from other women has more value than sexual attention from men, because female sexuality is discriminate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 03:56 PM
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Kindness is attractive when it comes from a place of power and unattractive when it comes from a place of supplication. Someone can “respect” you as a person while still perceiving you as sexually bland.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 03:55 PM
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Because porn use is basically socially sanctioned cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 03:53 PM
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No, they need to stop putting out before commitment. Two different problems require two different solutions
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 03:52 PM
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Give up the porn first and your preferences will become more realistic
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 03:51 PM
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So lower your standards from “moderately attractive” down to something reasonable instead of crying about it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 02:17 AM
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On a regular basis? No. Occasionally when we can’t be together? Sure. Also, it depends on what kind of porn it is. If he ever prefers porn to sex with me, it would be an immediate deal breaker. And I expect him to hide his porn use; if I see it or hear it, then it’s too much. Unless he wants to watch it WITH me and include me, that’s totally fine, I’d be ok with that. Any “personal” porn like e girls or cam girls are dealbreakers. Any past porn addiction is a deal breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 08:14 PM
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Nepotism, social hierarchies, and cultural status signals are very natural for humans. These things existed in early hominids living without organized civilization
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 08:11 PM
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It can be naturally conditional. There’s a “top dog” in every group, but who is “top dog” is conditional upon the type of group. It’s natural for women to want the top dog of whatever group is most important to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 05:24 PM
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Hi I’m here. Black/dark pink or purple feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 04:48 PM
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Good bot
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 01:51 AM
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I’m just gonna leave this here.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 01:50 AM
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Because having your man “below” you and subservient is disgusting for straight women, it goes against hypergamy and causes insecurity. Women like men with spines who are capable of protecting and providing. Nice guy doormats can’t protect or provide, they cave at the first sign of adversity and always opt for the path of least resistance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 05:49 PM
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Because men have no problem sticking their penises into places they’re not attracted to. Except when it comes to other men, that’s the only time they have sexual disgust comparable to the disgust women feel for ugly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 06:16 PM
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There’s the psychological aspects of penetration and the potential for pregnancy that men will never understand. Women potentially “lose” more biologically from having sex with unattractive men than men stand to lose from having sex with unattractive women. For men, all heterosexual sex is an evolutionary win. They don’t carry any physical consequences, they don’t lose time and energy gestating a parasite with bad genes. Men can only understand sex as a loss when it’s another man taking sex from…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 06:05 PM
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Truth. We need whole threads of farm stories and cow adventure
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 06:01 PM
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Because this is what women have been trying to get across each time this topic comes up
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 06:00 PM
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Because it’s the only way to get men to understand the disgust. Men and women are not the same
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 05:59 PM
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Uh I’m a straight woman
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:06 PM
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Thanks for the song rec. when did she drop the “diamonds” from her name?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 09:26 PM
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A lot of guys simp a stupid amount for their first crush or their favorite cam girl, until they eventually realize they’re being scammed because pussy isn’t worth that much money or effort, and subsequently give their future girlfriend less. They’re “rewarding” women who didn’t give a shit about them and “punishing” the women who do. I don’t fault anyone for learning from their past, but a lot of men on this forum seem to fault women for doing just that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 09:06 PM
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Should men have emotional and financial consistency, then? If you simped once you have to simp forever, empty those bank accounts in the name of consistency! Whatever you spend on porn, you have to spend double on your girlfriend or else you’re being unfair to her!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 07:44 PM
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I don’t know any feminists who hate the content creators of only fans, it’s more likely they hate the people who purchase the content
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 07:24 PM
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All men are like that, unfortunately. They can grow to appreciate the woman around the vagina, but they’re only in relationships for consistent, low effort sexual access and guaranteed fidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 05:14 PM
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They should do onlyfans and host their own content
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 05:09 PM
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I don’t catch “feels” from giving or receiving massages. Men don’t like women as people, men value women as sources of sexual satisfaction and validation. Ideally men would want a relationship because of the woman as a person, but that’s not how male nature works. Withholding the thing men value most causes them to invest emotionally from sunk cost
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 04:45 PM
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I don’t catch “feels” from oral or fingering orgasms
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 04:44 PM
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Idk most aren’t memorable. How many times have you had your dick sucked? How many times have you paid for the first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 04:43 PM
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It’s natural and relative to conditions
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 01:49 AM
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If he’s not willing to risk “crucifixion” then those preferences must not be important enough
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 12:58 AM
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You can only tell the difference between the two by keeping legs closed
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 12:45 AM
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I never would have thought it had those origins lol. I think “oath” is Scottish slang? Maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 06:25 PM
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It’s not about intimacy, it’s about keeping the carrot on the stick and your emotions in control. PIV releases oxytocin, giving a blowjob or a handjob doesn’t. There’s no heartbreak if it ends before PIV happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 06:23 PM
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I love the word nonce. The brits have all the best slang, I swear. “Oath” “wanker” “nonce” just beautiful language
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 06:17 PM
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I would be asexual if all men had short hair 😝 my boyfriend is talking about cutting and donating his soon, good thing COVID is preventing that haircut appointment
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 06:13 PM
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Good thing you guys don’t claim to be the empathetic gender. Wow that’s sad af. Fwb is a scam for straight women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 06:07 PM
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Because men lie to them. They think they’re giving sex for commitment, but then commitment is never delivered
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 06:03 PM
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It’s not a fantasy when guys like this exist
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 06:00 PM
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Until commitment is established, it’s mouth and hands only. Ideally commitment is discussed somewhere between the third and seventh date.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 05:44 PM
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This is good advice for everyone, women included, imo. I look like a hotter version of my boyfriend’s exes and he looks like a hotter version of my exes. If you don’t look anything like your partner’s typical “type”, they’re settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 05:39 PM
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Yeah you can’t polish a turd or improve an objectively low quality product. But he’s not short or bald, he can improve the quality of his product with effort and work and greatly reduce the level of resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 05:36 PM
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He is in control of the value of his product. He can work harder to build value to reduce his partner’s resentment and improve his partner’s satisfaction. No matter how hard he works the women likely will still resent him That’s an excuse not to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 05:33 PM
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I guess I like to fuck fake men and their beautiful hair 🤷‍♀️ Any man who can’t grow a man bun is not the one for me
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 05:32 PM
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Yes. Uglier people have to work hard to compensate for their low genetic quality, if they don’t want to be resented
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 05:30 PM
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You are the exception to the rule, then. Most men who have casual sex do so by dangling the relationship carrot
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 05:28 PM
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Then he needs to up his game if he doesn’t want to be resented for being low quality
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 05:27 PM
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The competition isn’t the problem, pumping and dumping is the problem. Positive masculinity improves society, toxic masculinity destroys it. Men who pump and dump coerce consent using deception and manipulation. If men were honest about their intentions, there would be no pump and dumps.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 05:24 PM
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That’s the difference between toxic masculinity (masculinity that harms women and children) and positive masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 05:19 PM
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I don’t care if one is more “voluntary”, they’re both artificial with no bearing in reality. I have the privilege where I can afford not to care, not all women are so fortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:54 PM
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Ideally, men wouldn’t be able to pump and dump without consequences. Ideally, men would have the same standards for casual sex as they have for commitment. Because they’re the same inside , whats wrong in hunting for superficial perfection? Right. But certain heritable traits come in clusters, masculine appearances are related to masculine behaviors. Because the level of testosterone affects physiology and brain chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:52 PM
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It’s good genes versus bad genes. Attractive, extroverted, highly socially intelligent humans are more evolutionarily fit than ugly risk averse loners.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:49 PM
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Irrelevant points, all. One social construct is equal to another, in that they have no objectivity. I don’t care who you’d “rather support”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:47 PM
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Men should compete with each other, not pump and dump women. We should definitely promote positive (protector, provider, builder) masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:45 PM
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Masculine men enjoy competition for the sake of competition, for the opportunity to prove themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:40 PM
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The real world is still influenced by Abrahamic mores, but I find it amusing to see self described atheists or skeptics parroting fundamentalist religious dogma
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:35 PM
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Man buns are gorgeous and will never go out of style, you quiet down!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:27 PM
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Keep living by archaic middle eastern tribal morality while pretending you’re living in the modern world
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:25 PM
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Biology always beats ideology. Chastity as a concept comes from Abrahamic ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:17 PM
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Masculine men thrive on competition. Non masculine men want to avoid the competition. It used to be easier for non masculine low value men to reproduce, because of the patriarchy, causing high levels of failed males in our generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:16 PM
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Wombs are always worth the effort, chastity is a social construct.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:15 PM
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It’s on the man to BE the best. Men used to take action instead of coddling their own insecurities
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:05 PM
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To stabilize the same smp that they complain about
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 03:53 PM
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This. It’s clearly both things happening at once
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 10:19 PM
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It’s not abusive, generally what’s good for women and children is good for society. Children are the future
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 10:17 PM
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Yeah obviously
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 10:16 PM
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Yeah. I don’t hate him for that, that’s the point. I’m telling him he’s no better or worse than other people who like to pick on appearances, myself included
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 10:10 PM
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You’re making fun of fat women on the internet you know nothing about. You don’t know what made them fat, you just know you find their fat ugly so you need to “put them in their place”. You’re the same morally as a woman who makes fun of anonymous ugly guys. Not hating you for that, just telling you to lay off the hypocrisy. I consider all physical attacks the same, you’re free to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 07:52 PM
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You’re talking about completely different situations. I’m only speaking within the context of criticizing physical appearances. An uggo is an uggo, regardless of how they got there or how responsible they are for their own ugliness. You’d make fun of a fat woman with a food addiction and a fat woman with PCOS or thyroid issues with the same enthusiasm, because it was never about the origin of the fatness. You wouldn’t make fun of a thin bulimic who overeats at the same rate as a fat food addict,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 07:46 PM
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Right, but they’re still not dropping monthly eggs. Of course there’s no delaying menopause, just clearing up a small misconception.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 07:44 PM
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Your last paragraph is basically what I was getting at. I’d rather help a dad bod dude with good genes reach his full potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 07:42 PM
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You’re saying no company would have taken advantage of an untapped niche market? Yeah right. Fat women are still women with cash to spend, it’s smart for clothing companies to advertise to a consistently growing market group. My empathetic reaction does not impact how I perceive physical appearances or attacks on physical appearances. Attacking fat women for being unattractive is not and will never be morally superior to attacking ugly men for being unattractive. Their life stories are irrelevan…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 07:39 PM
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It’s very subjective, he could be a 7 to someone who likes that aesthetic. He’s just not my type at all. I need a guy to have tall height and long dark hair to feel any attraction. I don’t care what the average woman looks like, I’m rating a man. Skinny women and short women are more in demand than skinny or short men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 07:29 PM
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Plus sized models exist because plus sized people exist and buy clothing. Models make money by being a living mannequin, clothing companies make money by appealing to as many potential customers as possible. This is capitalism in action, not feminism. The behavior component doesn’t matter at all, even though you want it to. Two broke guys are two broke guys, it doesn’t matter how they got there, they’re still in the same boat. An ugly person is equivalent to an ugly person. I don’t care if one u…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 07:26 PM
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This is the truth. Victory laps feel good because they’re causing emotional pain to the group that caused the person’s emotional pain to begin with. Plus winning feels more valid when there are losers around.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 07:19 PM
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Women on birth control don’t drop eggs every month
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 07:17 PM
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No one is expecting fat people to be treated like models, that’s a straw man. Attacking someone for their appearance is attacking them for their appearance. Sorry, but women care more about genetic traits than men, so genetic traits matter more for male attractiveness. A bald short guy is the equivalent of a fat girl or an old woman. Making fun of one or the other isn’t better or worse, it’s the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 07:10 PM
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You’re not calling out bad behavior, you’re calling out bad appearances. It’s the same thing, regardless of whether the ugly appearance is cause by genes or lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 07:03 PM
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surely must be getting something out of it It’s gambling. Most of the time they get nothing out of it, the jackpot is commitment from the hot guy they’re fucking. Like someone pulling on a slot machine, most of the time there’s no reward, but the hope for the jackpot keeps the gambler pulling the lever
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 04:17 PM
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Well certain symptoms of depression could make a person less effective and capable, which makes them worse tools. A man’s job in a relationship is a tool for protection and provision, a useless man can’t perform the job necessary to get into or maintain a relationship. So they are failing in relationships because of manifestations of depression symptoms. My boyfriend actually has depression, but his symptoms are more masculine in presentation. Not all depression appears as pitiful sadness, lazin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 03:45 PM
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Men should have higher standards for casual sex, if they had the same high standards for ltr as for casual there wouldn’t be any confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 03:41 PM
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It’s no more selfish or hypocritical than men expecting to penetrate but not be penetrated. The sexes have different roles in heterosexual relationships. Women want a tool to make their lives easier, men want a pretty trophy to fuck. Neither is more moral than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 03:08 PM
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There's no hope in the USA to get a thin plain woman unless a man is Chad / hot That’s because those are smv matches. Short and bald men are the equivalent of fat women. Thin young women are female Chads
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 03:04 PM
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All thin young women are “attractive” in today’s smp. You have unrealistic standards
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 03:03 PM
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No that’s a five or six in my opinion. He has no hair and looks average height. His jawline is ok I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 02:43 PM
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That speaks nothing to capability for altruism. I think plenty of men are capable of caring about the human race and the health of the planet. You are the one who made the statement that men can only care about the world if their dick has a stake in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 04:11 AM
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It’s only important in certain cultures, and is becoming less important globally year by year. The market decides who “deserves” what. Women who leverage their sexual access for commitment gain more than women who don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 04:07 AM
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Are men capable of being motivated by altruism toward the human race, or are they only capable of being motivated by their drive to reproduce?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 04:05 AM
1

You’re telling him the cold hard truth. Nice work
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 04:02 AM
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No one told girls WHY self control is useful, and that sexuality should be leveraged for maximum commitment. I don’t care what you think, virginity is a social construct.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 03:57 AM
7

No one wants to admit to preferring online dating. I prefer the swipe based dick catalogue :p my social circle is ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 03:38 AM
1

I do like those plaid skirts...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 03:36 AM
3

I guess I can sympathize, I’ve been wanting to do a fake “prom night” with my boyfriend since I missed both of mine. Obsession with cheerleaders is still sus
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 03:32 AM
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They pretend it’s not pedo shit, but it’s always pedo shit
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 03:23 AM
1

So men are selfish assholes that only care about their own descendants? They can’t care about the survival of the human race of the suffering of children? How misandrist
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 03:21 AM
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That’s only step one, everyone knows that. Step two is don’t put out before commitment (for your own self interest, not for anyone else). Mothers don’t teach their daughters that anymore. It’s become a trial by pump and dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 02:58 AM
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I’m a female. Sorry I expected my mom to give me helpful advice to get a hot boyfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 10:28 PM
1

They’re more wholesome, hard working, and alpha generally by necessity. Upper class people are spoiled, frat boy players often come from privileged families. Working people are too busy supporting themselves to entertain “spinning plates”. These type of men want a partner to build their life with, upper class men don’t need anyone to build alongside them, because they inherited their standard of living.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 07:26 PM
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All attractive girls have orbiters. If you want a girl with no orbiters you gotta dumpster dive
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 07:21 PM
1

This is the gospel truth. AMALT and AWALT. Men tolerate anxiety and depression in their partners because a depressed/anxious woman can still be a pretty trophy. It’s not that men are more moral, their conditions for their partner are different and can still be met by a mentally ill person. Men would rather have a skinny depressed lazy chick than a mentally well adjusted and accomplished fatty.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 06:33 PM
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They just want their 8/10 “looksmatch” rofl 🤣 The guy toward the end who calls himself 7 or 8 has 10/10 beautiful dark thick hair and a nice jaw, too bad his facial features are like two sizes too small with feminine ratios
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 05:54 PM
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Boomer women failed to teach girl game or feminine wisdom (what was once common sense) to their daughters. They told their kids that they’re special and unique and can have it all, told them anyone would love them if they put themselves out there, but did not provide any real behavioral guidance that could help their children accomplish their goals. All platitudes, no parenting. And then the children have to spend their extended adolescence figuring out the correct strategy when “be yourself” do…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 05:47 PM
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“Be yourself. Have sex whenever you feel like it” -terrible advice from free-love boomer mom which lead to many heartbreaks. What parent gives irresponsible advice like this? I have 0 girl game when I act like “myself” and I want to have sex all the time! It’s like telling a kid who loves cookies to “eat whenever you want” ok now you got a fat sugar addict. Great parenting. Boomers ruined the world for the rest of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 05:29 PM
3

This. Taming a powerful dangerous man and using his power for “good” is a strong female fantasy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 08:32 PM
4

Most natural alphas are blue pill and live happy lives. Tall, handsome, charismatic men succeed every day by being themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 04:26 PM
2

That would be so wholesome! Definitely counts
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 11:36 PM
1

Yeah I’m a lady 😂 Well one group of lvm makes me feel threatened and the other makes me feel sympathetic and maternal. Don’t ask me to kick a lost fat puppy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 07:34 PM
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Sorry to disappoint this time. Ruthlessness is for wannabe dominant lvm. Submissive lvm who know their place don’t trigger any ire, because they’re no threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 07:19 PM
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And men want women with high sex drives who won’t be stingy with sex. That’s no different
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 07:17 PM
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If someone doesn't have the physical accoutrements to induce lust via his cellular makeup, would a woman's brain ever switch to seeing him the same way she'd see some handsome lad she barely knows? No. She either lusts for you physically or she doesn’t. I don't know if it's selfish or not, but I wouldn't want to be with a woman who sees me as fundamentally "less" and "inferior" to a man born with a 10" dick and a superhero jaw. I know it's unfair to expect that women see me that way given That i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 07:16 PM
2

I feel bad for him, he’s nicer than other lvm on here so I don’t feel a need to unleash 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 07:10 PM
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You can believe that, I encourage body positivity. All people are beautiful, but not all people are sexually attractive. If you want to be sexually attractive to women, that means looking as close to the masculine ideal as possible. Do you have sexual success the way you look currently?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 05:06 PM
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Yes, without a doubt. Especially if the guy has spent money
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 05:00 PM
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Muscles that are soft are unfit. You are overweight, and fat makes anyone look more feminine. https://clarityct.com/anatomy/making-a-feminine-face-an-injectors-take-on-caitlyn-jenner/ Your ratios look more similar to the face on the right https://www.nature.com/articles/srep35905
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 04:56 PM
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That would count! Very nice hobby for anyone to have. Not the most masculine of hobbies, but I’d be impressed and happy if my boyfriend wanted to be a culinary master. Honestly I’d rather he have more masculine or high status hobbies. But if we’re rich it’s all good.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 04:24 PM
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It depends on the hobby. Passive hobbies that don’t produce any actual value don’t count. Watching Netflix, playing video games, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 04:21 PM
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No. He still has to have the appearance of having a job or a purpose outside of homemaking. He needs to provide something or have a passion for something, otherwise there’s no masculinity. I don’t care if money is not a worry, he still needs a masculine mission. And beating a video game does not count.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 04:15 PM
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I don’t like feminine men, but I really like some feminine traits on an otherwise masculine man. Long hair is my favorite, but it has to be on a tall broad shouldered guy who can grow a nice beard. OP it’s not your hair that’s the problem, it’s likely your feminine facial ratios and your weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 04:13 PM
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As someone who did go through this, I actually somewhat agree with OP. Women who consistently get pumped and dumped need to lose weight then practice FDS, that’s the only self improvement that increases women’s chances at getting ltrs with men they’re attracted to. Get hotter then don’t put out before commitment, trust me it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 04:05 PM
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Same!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 01:22 AM
2

But anime links cuteness with sexuality to an uncomfortable extent
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 12:58 AM
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https://news.stanford.edu/2018/04/10/paul-ehrlich-problems-modern-jaw/ You’re definitely onto something
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 12:02 AM
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Cuteness comes from childlike features, we need Chihuahas and pugs to look more like human offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 11:56 PM
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Men want women with young looking faces and adult bodies That’s what’s gross. They want children’s faces on adult women’s bodies. Hello anime
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 11:55 PM
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That’s because men have sperm and women have eggs. You’re not more compassionate if what you’re giving isn’t valuable or scarce in the first place. Is giving a homeless man a penny actually being generous?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 11:50 PM
2

Africa has had functioning empires before it got colonized and its resources were stolen. The richest king in history was an African king, some of the earliest civilizations existed in Africa.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 11:42 PM
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Good genes are genes that increase chances for reproduction, good looking men have good genes by that definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 11:40 PM
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I mean, “gross” is a subjective word
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 11:39 PM
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Yes and she plays it up on purpose with make up, mannerism, and costume. I respect the hell out of her for fleecing these low value males, but it’s a shame she has to pander to such gross desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 08:13 PM
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Not all suffering is equal. Physical, life threatening suffering will always be taken more seriously than suffering that requires the use of another person’s body to alleviate. Most people don’t care about suffering that they can’t relate to on some level, and people are more likely to relate to universal existential level threats, compared to sexlessness. No one has a problem with antagonizing the genetically disadvantaged (the ugly), and that’s by design. So long as there’s plausible deniabili…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 08:09 PM
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It’s more like “as long as he makes equal to or more than me”. As long as he meets the hypergamous threshold, he’s good.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 07:58 PM
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That’s how it is for most of the animal kingdom. Eggs>sperm
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 07:51 PM
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People in Africa are actually suffering from real problems, though. Struggling with sex is not the same as struggling with life threatening poverty, disease, famine, and violence. No one feels bad for genetic losers, and no one should. That’s why it’ll always be open season on them, for the good of the gene pool :)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 07:48 PM
4

We all get our kicks somehow. Petty winners are still winning
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 06:44 PM
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Victory laps around the losers
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 06:17 PM
3

I’m not old though. I’m in my twenties and look even younger, people still ask me what high school I go to lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 06:13 PM
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AMALT as long as men exist, sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 06:06 PM
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We’re concerned with the thoughts of men we want things from, and shit on men we don’t want things from. It’s not complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:53 PM
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Faces just seem softer and jaws smaller with every generation https://news.stanford.edu/2018/04/10/paul-ehrlich-problems-modern-jaw/ And a large square forward protruding mandible is one of the biggest markers of maleness. It’s a good thing beards still exist!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:07 PM
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I hope you’re right, but other responses disagree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:05 PM
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Oh we don’t have to pretend, the bile in our collective throats is very much real
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:03 PM
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We understand, it’s just nauseating and makes us not want to interact with men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 04:57 PM
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Women aren’t attracted to underdeveloped males the way men are attracted to underdeveloped females. For a male to be attractive he needs to look like he can protect and provide, he needs to have the appearance of a fully sexually mature male.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 04:51 PM
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You’re right, it’s likely polygenic. But those genes responsible for PCOS must be present in the DNA for the environment to trigger them. You’re wrong about the balding genes, some populations lack the genes for hair loss. Obviously genes and the environment interact and affect each other. But some people have genetics which make them more prone to cancer or other environmentally influenced diseases than others. Some people can handle higher levels of environmental triggers/stressors than others…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 04:44 PM
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No, it’s still evil and cannot be excused with appeal to nature. Women don’t love it, women are forced to live with it and try to use it to their advantage. Trust me, eleven year old girls being followed from their bus stop do not love the male attraction to neoteny. Gay male sexuality and female sexuality are not in any way comparable, gay men are still men. Yes, AMALT :( my man is also pedo adjacent, he likes when I wear pigtails and school girl outfits. As a straight woman, I have no other ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 04:38 PM
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For the environment to trigger something, the gene for the trait has to exist in the first place. The environment doesn’t cause PCOS any more than vaccines cause autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 04:33 PM
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That doesn’t excuse it, that makes it worse, actually. It means male sexuality and male nature are irredeemably evil, by nature. Women do not love it, women resent it at all ages (especially at young ages when they’re being targeted by predators). I have a neotenous face, I still think “barely legal” porn and men who enjoy that are both disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 04:28 PM
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An immature man can’t protect or provide. He’s gotta be grown enough for that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 04:17 PM
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Are you a father? Fathers hate parts of their sexuality once they become aware of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 04:09 PM
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Sedentary lifestyles create fat cells which create more estrogen, not less. Plastics in the environment create more estrogen, not less. Estrogens from birth control in the water create higher estrogen levels, not less. Women are not androgynous, you can’t pull a “both sides” here. Girls are developing sooner than ever because they are so flooded with estrogen. Also, PCOS is genetic, not environmental.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 04:08 PM
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Fathers tend to find parts of their own sexuality disgusting after they meet their children. Men only become fully aware of the dangers of male sexuality when they have their own children. They’re protective before, but it’s a different level of awareness and disgust after.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 04:03 PM
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You shut your mouth. Donkeys and mules are adorable
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 03:56 PM
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Distinct but very similar, that’s what’s creepy. Do you find furries creepy? Adult babies in diapers? “But they don’t look exactly like animals/babies” Yeah that makes it even worse. It triggers an uncanny valley like disgust in addition to the disgust that is already there (for zoophilia or pedophilia)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 03:54 PM
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Ew speak for yourself. I hope this isn’t AMALT 🤮
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 03:53 PM
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Women aren’t attracted to youth the way men are. Women are attracted to virility and maturity. Males want “as young as possible”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 03:52 PM
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It’s more than that. They develop the instinctual disgust for pedophilia in other males, the same disgust females have understood their whole lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 03:50 PM
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Attraction to children and the features of children is disgusting, because they are undeveloped and defenseless. It’s predatory, it’s taking advantage of a defenseless adorable creature to sate sexual needs. And children inevitably age, so they’ll be thrown away once they’re all used up and abused. That’s where my disgust comes from, it’s the same type of disgust I have for people (men) who rape cute little animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 03:48 PM
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And those same men suddenly discover why it’s creepy the moment their own children are born 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 03:46 PM
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So anime is more of a symptom of the disease than a cause. That’s a fair conclusion to make
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 03:37 PM
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They might be trolling, but I think there’s some truth about our cultural perceptions there. Men look so androgynous, they’ve lost their secondary sexual characteristics, so women have to crank up their performance of femininity through artificial means (make up and neotenous costuming).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 03:36 PM
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What’s creepy about incest to begin with? Similar answer. You cannot explain instinctual universal disgust. Attraction to neoteny is pedophilic, and pedophiliia is perceived with disgust, especially by parents and by females.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 03:32 PM
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I think she makes a very accurate observation, something I’ve noticed as well, and it’s very disturbing. The male attraction to neoteny is creepy to begin with, but anime has exacerbated the issue. Plus, men today look more feminine than they ever have in history, because of environmental plastics, estrogens, and sedentary lifestyles. I’ve seen men comment that women without makeup “look like men” but they really don’t. They still have hairless skin, small jaws and chins, and feminine ratios. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 03:27 PM
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Do you want us to get cancelled and fired? Well, yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 02:29 AM
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Everything but your final sentence is true, I technically sent the first message to my bf on bumble. But he pursued the rest of the time and took on the dominant role after
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 06:35 PM
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It goes far beyond conception, DNA is for life. Whether or not a man accepts cultural fatherhood, if he has offspring which share half his dna, then he is a paternal sire for the rest of his life (or his offspring’s life). A mother who gives her children up for adoption is no longer a mother in the social sense, but she is still a mother biologically.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 05:53 PM
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Does that really ruin anything? I think it gives the group new energy and motivation. Men need competition otherwise they become complacent and feminine
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 05:50 PM
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DNA is unaffected by culture. Fatherhood is cultural and is a chosen moniker, but paternal sire is biological. We hold paternal sires to account now because we couldn’t do so previously. DNA tests and other technologies force culture to evolve, and it’s making the cultural definition of fatherhood to be synonymous to the biological. This is a good thing for women and their children, which is why most people support it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 05:45 PM
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But there’s nothing wrong with wanting to be impregnated by good genes, there’s nothing to deflect. It’s basic biology, not something anyone should be demonized for.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 05:42 PM
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Biology creates paternity, culture creates fatherhood. Motor vehicles were unheard of through most of human history, but I don’t see us ever going back to horse and buggy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 04:57 PM
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Hot experienced guys in real life don’t care. T I is ugly no matter how rich he is, of course he’s still insecure about female sexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 10:43 PM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3l2oi-X8P38
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 08:42 PM
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Preaching truth
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 08:24 PM
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I guess I still believe in some softline biological determinism. Human homosexuality could be explained through indirect selection and kin selection theories. A homosexual who helps his or her sister produce more offspring also produces more copies of their own dna, indirectly, since they share 25% of dna with nieces and nephews. So helping four nieces or nephews survive to reproduce is as successful as helping one of their own offspring. And the genes for homosexual behavior invariably remain i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 08:21 PM
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I love evolutionary psychology and human ethology, but making hard fast rules about human behavior isn’t scientific at all. Science is about being open to learning more, and if you create absolute rules that’s not really possible. There are some generalizations we can make already, but evolutionary psychology is such a young field of study we need to give it time to test hypothesizes. Thanks for the link! It makes sense that humans have a “menu” of behavioral options, depending on what makes the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 06:47 PM
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It’s all about resource availability. When you have food to spare and a safe environment, quantity is everything and parental investment is minimal. When food and safety are scarce because the environment is less forgiving, you need quality offspring and more parental investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 06:29 PM
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There’s no way to tactfully say “your genes aren’t good enough” so instead we say “you’re not my type”. Women support other women and always will, sorry men are mean to each other but you can’t bring women down because of that. Women are the reason women have a body positivity moment, women are the ones who provide sympathy for insecurities to each other. It’s not “society” that causes women to stick together and lift each other up, it’s shared identity and in group bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 06:13 PM
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The difference is consent and autonomy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 06:11 PM
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You’re right. Just internet boys
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 06:08 PM
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It’s hard to own it when men weaponize it and then continue to blame women for something they have no control over. I’m shallow and proud lol and approaching men you’re attracted to as a straight woman is asking to be pumped and dumped. And yet men continue to give that advice as if it would solve all women’s dating woes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 05:52 PM
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Men absolutely have an easier time. Their smv is the same as their rmv, if a woman wants to have sex with them, they also want an ltr. And that is SO much less confusing than the female dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 05:49 PM
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There’s evidence of humans engaging in serial monogamy, polygyny, and even polyandry. Humans are the most adaptable species on the planet, and our mating styles adapt to changes in resource availability, presence of environmental pathogens, and population ratios. When resources are plentiful, the population is high, pathogens are more common, and females are readily available, polygyny occurs. When resources are scarce and people are few and far between, polyandry occurs, because mate guarding b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 05:20 PM
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Because attraction can’t be negotiated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 05:17 PM
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Because that was the case for me, I was a young teen in 2007 when emo was all the rage. I’m attracted to both the emo hair and the lumberjack beard.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 10:42 PM
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Some of us were in a critical period of our sexual development during the emo/scene days so we hold onto that preference for life. Ask me how I know
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 05:12 PM
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It might actually be the second time lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 04:50 PM
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This reminds me of that one episode of 90 day fiance. Poor Yolanda
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy07/12/20 01:57 AM
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🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 01:46 AM
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Yep which is why nobody should give anything away for free, dinner or pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 01:45 AM
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I just finished a university course that mentioned cultural polygamy and cultural polyandry so it is funny that it’s being mentioned. I found this interesting https://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1139&context=award
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 01:44 AM
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I like both, I don’t get it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 01:33 AM
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I think you’re right about this. If it ends in him cheating or pump and dumping, then he manipulated
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 01:32 AM
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There have been polyandrous cultures in harsh environments with scarce resources. It’s typically a woman with two husbands who are brothers
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 01:30 AM
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I definitely prefer it. Long hair and tall are basically my two strongest physical standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 01:19 AM
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No one wants to date a guy or girl who dwells in their parents' basement working a part time made up job with no car and still holding on to high school social groups I’m in this comment and I don’t like it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 05:54 PM
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Video games are cool, but anime is always low value
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 05:50 PM
1

Yes men are both the greatest danger to women and also their greatest protectors. Can’t live with them, can’t live without them. The biological truth doesn’t infantilize women or demonize men. Women statically are less likely to have the inclination to violence, because of hormonal differences and differences in brain structure. You’re missing the forest for the trees by focusing on singular events. There are female killers of course, but there are SO many more male killers, because of male natu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 05:41 PM
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Women are around children more often. If men had equal access to children, the numbers would be worse. Women have the ability to kill, just not the inclination. Males have both. Obviously not all men are murderers, but all men are capable of violence. I’m glad my boyfriend and father are capable of killing if it ever became necessary, but I’m not going to pretend male violence and female violence are comparable in frequency or extent. My dad and boyfriend would agree that men are more dangerous …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 04:58 PM
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There is no “should” women are natural caretakers so they are more likely to CHOOSE to prioritize family and the home. Men are natural killers and conquerors so they have higher rates of violence. Testosterone is real, race is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 04:47 PM
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Race is a social construct, sex differences are biological
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 04:39 PM
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Yang gang represent!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 04:29 PM
1

That makes men worse and more evil. Violence is always worse than non violence
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 04:19 PM
1

Lol movin on up in the Reddit misogynist world
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 04:13 PM
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There are no normies in that misogynistic sub, they’re incels. Jaded women are more likely to be normies than jaded men, because women in general are more “normal”. Women get jaded from normal dating, men get jaded from being rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 09:22 PM
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This but reversed. Except it’s more gross than sad
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 09:21 PM
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Men in aggregate advocate for violent solutions to problems more often than women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 09:19 PM
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It’s the same, men are just as selfish and concerned with utility. No, some people are just better at pretending, virtue signaling, and rationalizing their selfishness than others. This has nothing to do with altruism btw altruism is a behavior which lowers your biological fitness while increasing another’s fitness. There is reciprocal altruism (tit for tat trades) and kin-selection (altruism for related individuals).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 09:14 PM
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It is the same. We all require utility from our social interactions, it’s normal, but men on here like to demonize women for it while excusing themselves of the same behavior. No one values things “for their own sake” we’re all selfish hairless chimps. We value things that are good for us, and devalue things that harm us.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 09:02 PM
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Lewis still exists somewhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 08:53 PM
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Cool post op! It’s true men consider women who aid the male imperative to be high value, while women consider men who support the female imperative as high value. I’d say the one that is more angry and suggests violence at a higher rate is worse and more hateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 08:52 PM
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If he doesn’t spend any resources, there’s a good chance none of his children will reach adulthood, which would be a big L. A man with thousands of offspring but none of them go on to reproduce has an evolutionary score of 0. The same as a man who has never copulated. But a man with five offspring that he takes care of can almost guarantee he has a non zero score at the end of the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 08:46 PM
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Good points. Also single mothers “should” be selected for, because they are proven fertile.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 08:45 PM
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Do you enjoy spending time with your friends? Is it a positive experience? The release of dopamine is a utility you’re gaining from them. If they caused your brain to produce cortisol instead of dopamine and oxytocin, you would have no use for them and would drop them as friends. Utility exists outside of the physical material world. All social interactions are transactional, if you didn’t obtain any utility from the interaction then it wouldn’t take place. The happiness you obtain from a friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 08:20 PM
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Honesty benefits men because it means she won’t lie to him and won’t suspect him of lying to her. Compassion and altruism can absolutely be a utility, caretaking is useful, wanting a selfless mommy bang maid is self serving.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 08:16 PM
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She’s “receptive” and “open minded” aka she’ll let you stick it in the pooper. She’s “loyal” so you can cheat on her and “has a good sense of humor” so she’ll laugh at all your offensive jokes. So virtuous and selfless men are
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 08:12 PM
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Their virility and passion for life, competitive never say die spirit, positivity, heroism and self sacrifice, strength, emotional stability, self confidence, assertiveness, courage, ambition and work ethic. I’m attracted to and admire their “danger”, “darkness”, or masculinity - the ability to do what needs to be done no matter what and the ability to conquer and mold the world to match their vision. “Nice” guys lack this so I can’t admire them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 08:08 PM
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Musicians and animal lovers are my weakness. I’m also really attracted to “survivalist” skills. Chop a tree down and start a fire for me then play guitar around the campfire with a dog by your side and I’ll be weak in the knees. I find men who work with machines very unattractive (computer nerds and mechanics). They seem weaker or more artificial and those men seem to have low emotional intelligence. Scientists who are more geared toward living things (biologists, doctors, veterinarians) are muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 07:51 PM
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People who think this way don't realize they actually internalized religious beliefs, they just substitued "God" with "Nature" or "Evolution" Yes that IS my religion, great observation! Spiritual Naturalism and/or biological determinism is way more fulfilling than Abrahamic religion, especially for women. The natural world becomes your church and you are part of a grand “design” so to speak. You feel like a beautiful tiny puzzle piece of the universal puzzle and there’s less pressure to make you…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 04:59 PM
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The only men who will stand for sex being a bargaining chip are those men who the woman will lose respect and attraction to long-term when they get married. Men keep saying this, but it’s not true. Using sex as a one time barrier to entry does not mean you’re going to continue using it as a bargaining chip. I withheld sex from my bf at first even though I wanted to jump on his dick. FDS works and is just basic girl game that used to be common knowledge
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 04:55 PM
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Rofl yeah this
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 07:36 PM
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Agreed, money is everything in our society. But from my personal perspective, I’d be happy living a very minimalistic life so long as I have a hot devoted guy at my side and his cute babies. I’m not child free at all, I sort of have a breeding kink that I’m never mentioning to my bf until we actually want kids (eventually) 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 06:07 PM
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Truth. Any weebness is a red flag, anime nerds are worse than horse girls or car guys
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 06:05 PM
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The hot and dumb individual can still have many offspring, that’s what determines good genes. I agree hot, smart, and assertive is the ideal. But being hot alone is enough for most women. I’d rather have a wimpy male model than a turbo manlet who eats nails for breakfast and solves rubiks cubes in his sleep.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 06:00 PM
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Oh Yes. They really do
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 05:53 PM
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All hot people have good genes. I don’t buy into the male centric alpha/beta dichotomy, it’s just hot or not. Good looking men aren’t in the bottom percentile, they’re top percentage (like my rattata)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 05:50 PM
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Alpha is just another word for a dude with good genes. Alpha bucks is a man with good genes who wants a committed monogamous relationship. That’s it. None of this is real or set it stone, these terms were made up my internet nerds ffs. I don’t believe in alpha or beta in terms of behavior, there’s just hot masculine guys and ugly wimpy guys with a spectrum in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 05:09 PM
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Benefitting women is seeking equality in a world where women are disadvantaged. If you want a group to benefit men, then you need to organize and make your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 04:52 PM
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Hot guys don’t “chug soy” hot betas ARE alpha bucks. A rose by any other name. Billy beta is an average chump, he’s balding and shrimpy and pudgy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 04:52 PM
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Lol STONKS. Well I can only speak from my own experience as an agreeable nympho (aka former slut), withholding sex from a guy I want to bang is not easy and won’t last for very long! I don’t think being stingy with sex of using it as a negotiation tool is healthy for a relationship, plus my libido is so high the idea is laughable. Twice a day sex is my ideal! Withholding sex is just a safety precaution when you don’t know if a guy is really into you or not. Once he’s committed, there’s no reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 04:42 PM
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Mate guarding is natural, slut shaming is artificial.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 04:38 PM
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You’re so dumb. HOT betas are at the top, not billy beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 04:24 PM
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No, I don’t believe that has biological origins.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 04:23 PM
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This is one of the best worded and reasoned comments I’ve seen on this thread. Kudos
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 03:28 AM
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Ok but most men are beta, so most men are insecure, so most men envy hot betas. Most men wish they had a “ball and chain” they’re so desperate they’ll pay cam girls just to say their name. You can pretend you’re a special hot alpha guy above it all if you want
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 03:21 AM
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I’d say it’s more holistic valuation versus categorical
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 03:15 AM
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Ok but my lived experiences with men I know intimately aren’t delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 02:59 AM
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Very good point! That’s a big part of why social media always felt fake and never gave me the real validation rush. I already know I’m pretty, I don’t need likes from thirsty guys to tell me that 🤷‍♀️ Maybe girls who are less secure in their looks get bigger rushes out of having their pictures liked? I’d rather have my thoughts and ideas validated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 02:57 AM
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No they actively feel threatened and act antagonistic. I’ve seen it in person in bars with my boyfriend, especially when he catches the eye of a girl some other guy is trying unsuccessfully to chat up. The dude wants to fight him and be all rude when all he did was stand next to the girl at the bar 😆 like he was clearly with me and not even interested in her. But a hot taken guy gets more attention than a desperate single guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 02:53 AM
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Men admire alphas who play into their bachelorhood fantasy, they loathe high value men (hot betas) and see them as gender traitors or cock blockers. No one is talking about weak, ugly men. We are discussing attractive men with relationship-oriented personalities who treat their women well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 02:31 AM
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Good for you! And I hear you on overusing anonymous media 😜 it has a different “drug” rush than validation based social media. There’s a power trip to hiding behind a screen. Different drugs appeal to different people, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 02:19 AM
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Men envy other men who are taller and more handsome than they are. And they really resent it when those hot men don’t live their fantasy of a bachelor with a rotating harem. They also resent the fact that taken hot men get more attention from single girls than they do even though they’re actually available lol. I’m referring to high value men, not unattractive betas. Men like to pretend they’re the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 02:14 AM
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Yeah high value men (good looking betas) are rare, but they get the most respect and love from women. Men in their lives either love or hate (envy) them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 02:06 AM
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I’m so glad social media never hooked me like it does other ladies. It just ain’t my drug
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 02:04 AM
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Women don’t see a handsome, loving husband or boyfriend as weak the way men do. And women are half of society. Unmarried straight male opinions are not representative of “society’s” opinions any longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 02:00 AM
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That’s a perfect one. My boyfriend has that in his origin story too lol fat kid to Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 01:51 AM
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We sure do, but women care more about the opinions of other women in society. And men don’t have their opinions and prerogatives propped up by the patriarchy any more, so now they barely matter. Women perceive high value men as betas in alphas bodies, male opinions on what makes men high value are irrelevant. And in closing, gamers rise up
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 01:50 AM
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It’s an obvious solution to eliminate a threat
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 01:47 AM
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I agree, and this desire is exactly WHY they’re low value. Is it their genetic temperament to be weak or is too much estrogen and plastics in the water?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 01:44 AM
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Upvoted for agreeable nympho
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 01:42 AM
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It’s an initial currency for entry and no longer used as a bargaining chip after that. Plenty of FDSers love sex and have high libidos, that’s what got them in trouble in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 01:39 AM
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Who is “society”? Other single men women don’t give a fuck about? Other women think a hot guy who acts like a beta is high value. Women care more about what other men think about their boyfriend’s value than what straight men think.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 01:36 AM
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Vulnerability doesn’t just mean crying, it’s talking about the things that make you weak emotionally, your struggles and your origin story. Who doesn’t love a compelling origin story? I recommend talking about an emotional time that you triumphed over, just share a piece of you that’s important to your fundamental being.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 01:21 AM
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Hell na
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 01:19 AM
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“Any man who must say ‘I am the king” is no true king”. Any person who has to keep reiterating how logical they are is likely being illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 07:39 PM
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Ok it’s fear of betrayal and rejection, fear of not being good enough compared to the competition. Whatever your fears and insecurities, a good therapist could help you untangle those emotional knots so you can actually make a “logical” decision free of bias. Have a good day
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 07:37 PM
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I think Atlas made it up a while ago and it’s still so accurate. A strong man acting vulnerable once in a blue moon is like girl crack, because it feeds into the fantasy of “taming the alpha”. She gets to feel special because she’s the only one who can see the strong man so vulnerable and bring out his sensitive side. But that’s assuming the man is tough and masculine to begin with... The male version of the “taming” fantasy is turning a prude into a slut, just for him. Rare dirty slutty behavio…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 07:32 PM
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A winner passes on his genes, that’s the only condition for victory
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 07:26 PM
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They give birth and nurture. If women are still getting pregnant and pumping out babies, then they’re maintaining their half of the bargain.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 07:24 PM
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I’m not offended anymore, after this discussion I’m honestly a little sad for you. All feelings are valid, but that doesn’t mean they’re all healthy to hold onto or shouldn’t be re evaluated. Everything you have written so far is an opinion rooted in insecurity about being cheated on. Your insecurity is valid, we’re all afraid of being cheated on. I really hope you re read my last comment and take it to heart. Best of luck bro
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 07:17 PM
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Oooh spicy take. I like it. I can’t empathize with extros either, they’re too good at the social performance and too good at looking like they enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 07:03 PM
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There is another option, you’re not limited to letting your emotions run free or bottling them up. There are ways to process feelings and work through them to resolve them or make them less powerful. I will admit it’s difficult to do alone without any guidance. Good therapists are amazing for sorting out unconscious fears using behavioral science and proven desensitizing methods. They can weaken the fears at the root and eventually the fears lose their power over you. not on women to put me in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 07:00 PM
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You’re trying to cut out all risk because of fears and insecurities. We all have those fears, but there’s no such thing as a social interaction with 0 risk. Using “logic” to reinforce your negative feelings isn’t healthy or doing you any favors. Imagine a woman who is afraid to leave her house because 1 in 3 women get raped. She’s doing the logical thing to avoid all risk, but it’s not healthy for her. Obsessing about n count is the male version of obsessing about potential sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:57 PM
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That’s kind of sad, don’t you think? That your hang ups and insecurities prevent you from pursuing available relationship partners? It’s all about the negative feelings, which are coming from within you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:55 PM
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For real I do hope you find someone who makes you feel happy and secure. I just think focusing on sluts vs virgins isn’t a healthy or effective way to find that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:50 PM
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Pretty much everyone and their mother wants that. You don’t need to hold weird regressive fundie beliefs to want that or admit you’re afraid of being heartbroken. We’re all afraid of that, no one wants to be used or rejected. Sluts included. We all want to eliminate risk to 0 while getting what we want, but that’s just not realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:47 PM
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I hope you end up with a lying born again virgin and can’t tell the difference then live happily ever after in ignorance 😜
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:41 PM
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I, too, like to pretend extroverts are faking it. How can a person socialize and then not be exhausted afterward?!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:39 PM
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You can disagree with Mother Nature all you want, but She will always win. Your value is determined the second your father’s sperm met your mother’s egg. Hot men don’t need marriage, marriage and the patriarchy were invented by beta males to prevent hot men from monopolizing female sexuality. The “scientific” literature is largely propagated by biased sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:38 PM
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The shit hole countries have a spot reserved for special men like you. You can brag about how your wife was a virgin while you empty your shit bucket out the shack window.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:36 PM
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But I actually belong where I live and can share my views and have them agreed with and reinforced by the culture. If you wanted that you would have to go to Saudi Arabia or Russia. Sucks to be a conservative without any religion or community or anyone who agrees with you (outside of Reddit).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:33 PM
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Value is determined by DNA. Hot men do not benefit from repressing female sexuality, ugly men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:31 PM
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Which further proves my argument that you would fit in much better culturally with the fundamentalist religious parts of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:30 PM
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Whatever makes you feel like your opinions aren’t disgusting to 90% of people in our hemisphere. I hope you post your views to your public social media and also tell your manager and your boss what you think about virginity and female value lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:29 PM
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X to doubt. Far right views on sex only benefit low value males
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:25 PM
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Most people in the western world do not share your values or agree with your evaluations. YOU are the exception here and the odd one out. Your values would be more welcome in places like the Middle East. Normal western men do not view the world the way you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:23 PM
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Yeah those successful hot guys should listen to advice from social rejects on Reddit 😂 The guys losing the game are the real pros
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:22 PM
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Yes, sadly. I don’t see a problem with women choosing not to pursue STEM. I think the feminist movement should redirect their energy to raise the average pay for jobs regarded as “women’s work” like the caregiving fields.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:20 PM
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I’m sure all the women proposing to you will be crushed
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:18 PM
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I think those men know their own priorities better than you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:18 PM
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Ok but normal hot men don’t care about this with anything nearing the same passion as Reddit weirdos. You can say they “should” care, but I think they’re happy doing what they’re doing. The men with options are choosing to settle down with women they have things in common with, hot extrovert slut ends up with hot extrovert slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:16 PM
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I’d rather he have big shoulders and biceps. Man boobs unattractive to me. But tbh I don’t really pay much attention to a man’s chest. My boyfriend has nice muscular pecs, but it’s not the main thing that attracts me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:12 PM
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Uh what. Those men are just normal hot guys who get into committed relationships with normal hot girls. No one cares about n count because everyone has gotten around, no one’s insecure because everyone is confident in their attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:08 PM
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It means in a social species social capital and alliances determine value. It’s not about men and women, it’s human nature. Loners are generally viewed as less trustworthy and less valuable. A romantic partner indicates social value, it doesn’t matter if that partner is male or female or non binary. We trust people that other people trust, we respect people that other people respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:06 PM
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That’s a very black and white way to view things. There’s no “letting” because men don’t own women and women are free to make their own sexual choices. Sluts commit to sluts, that’s not being a push over, that’s like going with like. Other men don’t have the same preoccupation with n count that you do, especially men that have lost count of their own bed post notches. In my opinion, a weak push over let’s their insecurities rule their decision making.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:02 PM
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💩 💩
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 06:00 PM
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That’s a highly unrealistic expectation to have of people whose brains haven’t finished forming. Young men suffer from this the most, because testosterone increases risk taking behavior and the frontal lobe of the brain (the last part to finish developing around age 25) is responsible for evaluating risk and consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:59 PM
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There will always be bad actors looking to exploit the system. I agree we should make it harder for them to do so, and make it easier for good actors to succeed. The divorce court system could use a real reform
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:58 PM
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That’s totally fair. Could you respect someone who regrets their push over past and has since developed a spine and the ability to say no? Or is it a permanent black mark on their record? My boyfriend and I have had conversations about our romantic victories and defeats. He’s been friendzoned by girls and he’s fuckzoned girls, I’ve friendzoned guys and been fuckzoned by guys. I think it’s rare for young people to have fully developed self esteem and backbone, it’s something that comes with matur…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:56 PM
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That’s probably the safest bet for men who don’t have a lot of built up “masculinity tokens” at the ready
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:53 PM
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Same schedule! It’s like brushing your teeth 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:52 PM
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Preselection isn’t just for sexual dynamics, it’s a general social rule
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:49 PM
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Sorry you can’t have female sexuality and libido without sluttiness. Like I can’t have male virility and passion without desperate simps thirsting after anything that looks female and rapists waiting for easy targets. There are pros and cons to male and female nature
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:43 PM
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A princess is typically a passive player who waits to be rescued lol you can’t want a princess but dislike feminine agreeability. A princess gets taken advantage of by whoever gets to her tower first, or whoever slays the dragon first.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:41 PM
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You’re correct. But you know young people think they’re the center of the universe and untouchable. Thankfully we grow out of that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:40 PM
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A push over is incapable of saying no or advocating for themselves. A hero by choice is not a pushover. A benevolent authoritarian is not a push over, since they have the final say.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:39 PM
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😆 Do you say the same to friendzoned guys or guys used for free dinners? Yes the obvious move is to not give anything away for free, but young people are naive and want to project the best intentions onto those they’re attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:38 PM
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You mean “not attracted to”? That’s fair. I like a guy with a healthy savior complex who takes on a benevolent authoritative role.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:36 PM
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It should be, but it’s a grey area in our laws. If someone has to be “convinced” to have sex, then it’s not enthusiastic consent and should be rape. And if someone promises something (like a relationship) and then rescinds after sex, that should be a crime. But it’s not. Oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:33 PM
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Ok so you like masculinity in a partner. “Push over” behaviors, agreeableness, and passivity are very feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:31 PM
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it doesn’t matter what you say
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:30 PM
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I don’t think you’ve ever encountered persistent male thirst directed at you as the target. It doesn’t matter what you do or say, they will stick around to try to convince you to open your legs. They will encourage you to open up to get to know you, to find out what magic words to say to get sex to fall out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:29 PM
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Ok it sounds weird coming from someone in a western country who claims not to be religious. It’s weird and sad
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:28 PM
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You’re repeating fundie religious propaganda tho. Those values aren’t modern western values
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:27 PM
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All men want to be your friend if you have a vagina lmao men give the worst clueless dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:26 PM
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Oh so you got radicalized, that’s a shame. Now you sound like a street shitter or a Bible thumper. I hope you regain your western liberal cultural roots once the dry dick angst wears off
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:25 PM
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Hm weird
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:24 PM
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You didn’t explain anything, you moralized and ignored the value of the metaphor.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:23 PM
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Uh yeah biology isn’t oppression. I’m an equal opportunity feminist, not equal outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:22 PM
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The metaphor is correct, you’re just moralizing it for some reason. Are you a native English speaker?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:21 PM
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No, originally. You sound like a foreigner from a third world shit hole
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:21 PM
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What shit hole country are you from? Young women don’t automatically know their sexual market value or what kind of partner they can “afford”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:19 PM
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Do you know what a metaphor is
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:19 PM
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Come again? How is a new business owner supposed to know the value of their product without offering an initial (low) price and potentially getting taken advantage of by that first customer? Are young men testing their rank in the sexual market also gross?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:16 PM
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Imagine you’re a new business owner and you’ve never opened a business before. On your opening day you’re going to be happy to see any customer at your door, and you will give that customer a great deal. Now, once your store picks up speed you realize your products are high in demand, and you can charge way more than what you charged that first customer. Why wouldn’t you increase your earnings and get a higher value customer base? It might seem obnoxious to customers that you’re charging more th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:09 PM
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I think the test is more about how committed he is to her, how strong their bond is, and whether he is strong enough to bounce back and regain “frame” after showing vulnerability. Ideally, if he passes the test, attraction might be slightly lowered but the emotional bond will be stronger than ever. But yeah if he is vulnerable and fails to show strength after, you’re right about the inevitable results.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:06 PM
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You’re not entirely wrong, women’s standards are lowest in their teens (because they’re insecure and don’t know their market value) and middle age (because desperation and baby rabies). Women’s standards are highest in their mid twenties, when they are young enough to have leverage and old enough to know what they can “afford”.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:03 PM
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The guy I lost my virginity to was the least attractive guy I ever dated lmao nice theory but insecure teenagers have very low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 04:50 PM
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All of this being true doesn’t make straight men “oppressed”. It means they have the burden of performance, like every other male animal
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 04:47 PM
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Same. Love those man buns and nice beards
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 04:32 PM
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They still do it, even if it’s instinctually disgusting. Is that not a show of love?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 04:09 PM
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Feminism is about personal choice. Of course it’s a lobbying group for women, they’re going to tackle eliminating the female gender role first.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 04:07 PM
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Straight men get to be hairy and horny while retaining attractiveness, straight women get to be dependent and insecure while retaining attractiveness. If you want to be openly slutty and hairy as a woman and still be attractive, then you should be with other women. If you want to be openly insecure and weak as a man and still be attractive, then you should be with another man. The sexes are different and have different desires and turn offs. A man would sooner commit to an insecure shaved virgin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 04:03 PM
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This might be the best comment on this entire subreddit. Damn
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 03:58 PM
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It's all about adopting a female mindset, the minority 'winners' who modern females yearn and lust after and the majority 'losers' So it’s revenge and projection? You were rejected and now you want to “turn the tables” and make someone else feel like a loser?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 07:32 PM
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This!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 07:30 PM
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Thanks for the apology, sorry for the attitude. It sucks to have beliefs which don’t line up neatly with any political ideology, so then you feel like you either have to shut up or you don’t belong anywhere. I believe in feminism and democracy, I believe in social progress, scientific progress, human rights and civil rights. But I don’t believe that men and women are exactly the same, we’re a sexual dimorphic species and our brain chemistry is very different. I think it’s unrealistic to expect s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 07:19 PM
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Ok shout “sexist” at people until everyone shuts up and no discussion is had. People will keep thinking what they think, and nothing will actually change. You can call me a progressive sexist, if you want. I still find the traits of weak men unattractive and cringey, and always will. And your comparison is just silly. Wanting to be a basketball star is an active, positive fantasy that no one finds weird in either sex. Wanting to be saved is passive and pitiful, especially from the stronger sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 06:47 PM
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I’m a progressive but I don’t believe in tit for tat equality or tabula rasa where everything is exactly the same. Men can express themselves equally, but they can’t do that and expect the same reaction that a woman would get. Free speech versus freedom from criticism. I want equal opportunity, not equal outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 06:28 PM
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It’s not society which created this, it’s biology. Of course the weaker sex which creates babies is going to be supported for being weak, because they are (physically) weak, and exceptionally valuable to the population. You can cry about it and blame society, but these forces of nature aren’t going anywhere. Bi men can have weaknesses, so long as they’re not looking to date cishet women. This is about dating, not empathy. Weak men get empathy, but they also get pity - which is what creates the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 06:25 PM
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People cringe at female fantasies all the time, and it doesn’t stop women from enjoying what they enjoy. Do you know how many criticizing jokes were made about Twilight and 50 shades and the women who enjoy them? There were whole armchair psychiatrist articles claiming that whoever enjoys this sort of smut must have daddy issues or something. People will always find straight male weakness cringey, sorry. They might never say it out loud, but that’s why. Enjoy your fantasies but keep the cringey …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 06:21 PM
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Sexism isn’t always “bad”, sometimes it just is. Yes, cishet men get less leeway for weakness in sexual relationships with cishet women. This is based in biology, cishet women are repelled by weakness in cishet men, because the whole point of a male partner is to protect and provide for the weaker partner that gets pregnant. The sexual dynamic between two women or two men is different, because they have the same reproductive investment and the same level of relative strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 06:17 PM
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No. I’m a progressive but I do not think tabula rasa is accurate or a worthwhile ideal. Biology is more important than socialization, some aspects of traditionalism are rooted in reality that won’t ever go away. You’re free to fantasize about whatever you want, and other people are free to judge that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 06:13 PM
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No. Men and women are not the same and do not have the same sexuality. A woman wanting to be saved is heteronormative, a man wanting to be saved has something defective about him. Some fantasies are more cringeworthy than others. You can’t prevent other people from criticizing things they find lame or creepy. I’ll never outlaw the manic pixie dream girl, but you bet your ass I’m going to make fun of it and any men who enjoy it! It’s like furries or adult babies in diapers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 06:10 PM
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It’s a deeply unattractive fantasy for a straight man to have. This is a normal fantasy for women and gays, not for cishet men. The normal cishet male fantasy is saving the damsel in distress and proving themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 06:07 PM
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It’s cringey and typically a fantasy of immature or low value men. High value men don’t want or need a woman to “fix their life”. Their lives are complete already because they worked hard to build them. Men shouldn’t rely on women to “pull them out of a bad place in life” that’s what therapists are for. This fantasy is simply nauseating from the perspective of someone who’s attracted to masculine, strong men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 06:05 PM
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Yes!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 09:32 PM
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They never found that many men attractive but they found more of them than they do now No, they didn’t. They were just forced to have sex with men they weren’t attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 09:23 PM
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What even is that? Felt like I went from the bedroom to the dentist’s office
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 08:04 PM
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Yep there’s the old surprise finger in the butt hole, surprise choking, surprise slapping, surprise weird claw fingers in the mouth thing. Porn creates some weird ideas, even otherwise normal seeming guys pull these bizarre stunts with no consent established
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 07:56 PM
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Males seem to have a lot more variation in traits and mutations, for good and bad. It’s part of nature’s design, so that a potentially beneficial mutation can quickly disperse into the population’s gene pool. A fit mutant male could potentially pass that advantageous gene onto thousands of offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 06:42 PM
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Incorrect. The ability to store fat and gorge opportunistically is a good thing in our natural hunter/gatherer state where we live in states of feast or famine. There’s a reason we have the instincts to overeat, they were advantageous for most of our evolutionary history. The cavemen who didn’t eat all the food available to them did not survive to procreate. Whether it’s still advantageous nowadays is up for debate. But having a thinning or balding head has always been an unfit trait related to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 06:38 PM
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You’re really exaggerating here. Women can of course love and care and be romantic for a man, it just won’t look exactly the same way as a man loving and caring and being romantic for a woman looks. I was quite literally scrolling through Amazon just now to buy a new video game console for my bf for Christmas so he and I can play together lol. I’d never buy him a car or pay his bills or fight his battles, but I’ll keep his belly full, his balls empty and a smile on his face. Being a low value ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 06:34 PM
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That’s not the part that’s impossible. Hot men obviously get approached and are desired, but the way women pursue men will never look exactly like the way men pursue women. Women will send IOI’s, but they won’t send you dms like “did it hurt when you fell from heaven?” or buy you or a car or pay off your student loans. If you want to be treated like a woman, then you either have to be a woman or date another man. Women will not protect, provide, pursue and possess like men. The womb and the egg …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 06:22 PM
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They generally look the same because I have a specific “type” I’m attracted to, but the ones I ltr are the ones who like me the most as a person and have the most compatible personalities and life goals 😊 Basically in the past I had sex with whoever I was attracted to, and whoever stuck around became my boyfriend. I’m not generally attracted to men I couldn’t see myself being in a relationship with. I wish men were the same way but ah well. I gave my current bf a bj on our first date and would d…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 06:14 PM
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Average guys are ugly to most women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 06:10 PM
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A receding hairline is worse than being overweight FYI. Weight can be corrected, bad genes are forever
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 06:08 PM
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But seriously why are there just that many more MtF than FtM Because the Y chromosome is more prone to weird mutations, perhaps like dysphoria and paraphilias. The X chromosomes are much more stable, relatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 06:04 PM
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what about if a man want that options: to be spoiled like women, to feel attractive, marrying up , feel desirable for the opposite sex, etc Then he needs to become a trans woman or date other men. Cishet women will never pamper or woo cishet men the way you want, especially if those men are weak losers. If you want to be treated as equally valuable to a womb-bearer then you need to at least look like one. Grow some ovaries bro
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 05:58 PM
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No, we hate Hitler for genocide and killing millions of people. Dying alone comfortably is better than dying in a gas chamber
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 05:58 PM
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Lol as I get older his eyesight will get worse, hopefully at the same rate 🤞 also male sex drive dips later on so the motivation to cheat wanes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 06:24 PM
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I don’t believe there has ever been a population of 100% tall, healthy, fit, attractive men. Cave men of the past had a similar bell curve of physical traits, most men were mediocre (although less mediocre than post patriarchy). The only way we could test this hypergamy theory is through genetic engineering. I'm sorry to say, but women will always be interchangeable fodder for attractive men. And this is the way women want it You’re not entirely wrong. Hot men are gods above us all, I just want …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 06:16 PM
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Yeah and? We live in modern society. All men have pedophilic tendencies and instincts and always have. You can call it whatever you want to soften the blow, but the truth is men are attracted to childlike behaviors and appearances.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 06:14 PM
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It doesn’t need to be cured, gay men are happy sleeping with other men without hurting anyone. It’s incels that are unhappy and need to be cured 💅
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 06:12 PM
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That’s something I’m jealous men have, objective measures for their attractiveness and a guarantee that sexual attractiveness will correlate with relationship success. Romantic success and rmv are much trickier for women to sort out. Most women don’t partner off asexually, but most women could if their other options were so abysmal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 06:03 PM
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That’s in theory, we’ve never had a population of genetically fit males to test that theory
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 06:01 PM
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But most women aren't bi enough to actually date another woman And most women don’t have a high enough sex drive to care. It’d be like an intimate non sexual partnership, like two asexuals in a relationship. Women also often delude themselves in to thinking their bf is hotter than he actually is; part of what TRPs call branch swinging is girls removing rose colored glasses from a looksmatch guy, and then they feel disgusted and self loathing This is a good point! That’s why I like to evaluate wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 06:00 PM
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No but I can quote. “if it bleeds it breeds” “if there’s grass on the field, play ball” “You know what I love about high school girls? I get older and they stay the same” Some common male refrains
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:56 PM
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When women are objective about their level, they stay single or go for other women. That’s how ugly most men are. I’m in a great relationship with a hot person too, so I’m home safe as well lol. I’m so glad not to be single at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:54 PM
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As long as attractive masculine men are the minority Yes which they always will be No. They are rare because of thousands of years of patriarchy, not because of any natural scarcity. If we had thousands of years of hypergamy and sexual selection, our men would be much hotter today.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:52 PM
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Why are anime shows so often about school age children? Why are those children drawn with adult secondary sexual characteristics instead of with normal child proportions? Why do the adult women characters in anime still have childlike faces with huge eyes and tiny noses and chins?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:50 PM
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Men are what cause monogamy to be rare. Women want monogamous relationships with hot guys, but hot guys are too rare. Someone rev up the Chad factory!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:48 PM
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Your points were so dumb. The fact that anime artists intentionally give children secondary sexual characteristics is gross, first off. Why are all the shows about children, and why are the children drawn with adult bodies? Height is not a metric for female maturity, since growth stops when menstruation starts (often during childhood). The face and body ratios are what measures female age. And that’s why it’s creepy and uncanny valley to have a little girl’s face on a grown woman’s body, but tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:46 PM
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Thank god for that. Any anime watching is a swift deal breaker for me. Luckily my boyfriend finds anime weird as hell
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:42 PM
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All men have pedophilic instincts
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:41 PM
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I’ve made up my mind that anime and male nature are both irredeemably creepy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:41 PM
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No one can choose to be straight, but people can choose their actions. Male thirst is strong and blinding, men basically lose their sexual orientation after enough time without sex. There sure is a lot more homosexual sex in male prisons than female prisons..I wonder why?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:40 PM
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No, I suggested removing polygamous instincts and the instincts for indiscriminate arousal. Testosterone is much more than that, thankfully. Men can keep the other useful and arousing side effects of testosterone
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:37 PM
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Believing male sexuality is more adaptable because of thirst and testosterone is not homophobia. Homophobia is believing that homosexuality is wrong, but I think it’s completely right, especially for males that were always meant to be selected out of the gene pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:36 PM
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Women select for good looking men with signs of high testosterone, there’s nothing wrong with that. I don’t have any problems currently, but when I was dating my problems were with the inconsistencies in male romantic behavior, that men will fuck women they won’t commit to. Changing that one thing would be a net positive for women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:34 PM
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No. If he could organically attract those women, then his genes would be good because his sons would inherit the attractive phenotype and repeat the process. The ability to enslave weaker individuals is not a strength, all men can theoretically do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:32 PM
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It would improve women’s lives and make dating more harmonious. Women being sexual selectors isn’t a problem that needs to be fixed
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:29 PM
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No, it wouldn’t be worse. That’s how bad a relationship with a mediocre man you’re not attracted to is. Women would rather struggle with the drama of another woman
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:25 PM
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Sure, but none of that would make a difference in the hypothetical we were considering. If the options are raise the kids alone or be with another woman, they’re gonna sign up for the drama to have the intimacy, support, co parenting, and financial assistance a relationship brings. Also, I could imagine related females cohabitating to raise kids. Sisters or cousins or best friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:22 PM
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That number was clearly hyperbole to make a point about male reproductive potential
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:20 PM
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A 15 year old is not a woman and does not have a woman’s body
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:20 PM
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The most popular character design is a literal child’s face on a grown woman’s body. Anime was a mistake (Miyazaki films are not anime)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:19 PM
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Those are more fun all around! Especially couples costumes, they make for good role playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:18 PM
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No, it absolutely wouldn’t be valuable. If he was capable of directly enslaving other men, maybe. But all men are stronger than women, so it doesn’t take a very fit male to overpower and enslave someone weaker than they are. A fit male would beat out the competition and have females flocking to him of their own free will.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:14 PM
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Compared to men they sure are. As long as women have children or pets and a sense of family, they can manage without sex and love from men. Not to mention more women are bi curious and willing to be intimate with other women. It also gets easier with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:13 PM
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Yes. Women are ok with being single or cohabitating with each other, can mother their children together and form little family units. Also, don’t be so dramatic. More than 2% of men are truly loved, it’s at least 20-30%. Plus.. is being loved by a being which loves indiscriminately actually truly being loved? If men loved like women their love would have more value.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:09 PM
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Chad isn’t dark triad or evil, Chad is just hot and has good genes. If you’re not hot you’ll never be Chad. Dark triad ugly guy is an Epstein, not a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:05 PM
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Women can be picky because men are indiscriminate. Make it so that men can only get boners for the women they’d be willing to marry and women might lower their standards, or else stay single and not used for sex/heartbroken.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:00 PM
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Or low tier men could have sex with each other to maintain the peace
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 04:59 PM
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Nope. Females are picky because of physical weakness and how much of an investment pregnancy and birth are. I’ve only ever complained about men having sex with women they wouldn’t commit to, and men cheating. Get rid of those issues and we’re cool
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 04:58 PM
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I would make women more physically strong, shorten the length of pregnancy, get rid of menopause, and make childbirth easier 🙂 Hypergamy exists because women are weaker and have a higher reproductive investment. Get rid of those two factors
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 04:55 PM
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A system of patriarchy established and enforced by fitter males. An opportunity to profit from large scale suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 04:53 PM
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Women are instinctively attracted to cads, casanovas, and warlords Aka hot guys. Women want attractive phenotypes and good genes, firstly. Preselection is a litmus test or a proxy for the existence of those good genes. The proxy is not more important and did not create the selection pressure for polygamy. High testosterone men will always have a sex drive that no one woman can satisfy Testosterone creates the desire for sexual variety in our species, but it doesn’t trigger the same behavioral in…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 04:48 PM
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Women are the bottleneck of reproduction, the limiting variable. Humans take so long to replace that all women are necessary for reproduction, the only gene quality that matters for women are genes relating to fertility, pregnancy and birth
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 04:46 PM
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Ever heard of slavery and kidnapping? That’s how a low value male could have thousands of offspring
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 04:45 PM
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Yep. Gotta get the taste of barf out of my mouth then go put on a schoolgirl uniform and pigtails for my boyfriend rofl love the man hate the male nature 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 04:42 PM
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An ugly woman is limited to a max of a dozen offspring in a lifetime. An ugly man could potentially have thousands.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 04:40 PM
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I find the feature to be buggy and I would gladly delete it from the Y chromosome. Equilibrium between love and sex will lead to stasis. Maybe so. But there could still be a place for males to compete for mates, they’d just be lifelong monogamous and limited to one high quality female. Male mate choice would actually matter, for once. The gene pool would still improve, albeit at a slower rate than with polygamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 04:39 PM
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Ugly women can reproduce, it’s ugly men that bring down the gene pool. Sorry not sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 04:37 PM
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Yes. AMALT. Look at anime to see what men are actually attracted to, children with tits. Attraction to neotenous features is part of male sexuality, and not even the grossest part 🤢
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 04:36 PM
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It’s not cruel, it makes the most biological sense
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 04:31 PM
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I’m with wtknight on this one. The biggest fix would be for sexual attraction and romantic love to only occur simultaneously and be interchangeable. No hate fucks, no using people for sex, no friends with benefits, no buying or selling sex, no dead bedrooms. The problem is that men are capable of being aroused by people they are not romantically interested in and could never love, if that bug in male nature was fixed everything else would smooth out. If men could only get hard for women they’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 04:27 PM
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I don’t consider those things motherly, I consider that just being affectionate. That’s totally normal to expect or want. I love playing with my boyfriend’s hair and giving him back rubs! A mother would plan things for you, fight your battles, shield you from what scares you, build and maintain your self esteem, make your appointments, plan your meals, pick your outfits, pick up your clutter and laundry, remind you to brush your teeth or your hair, remind you to call your family members on their…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 08:15 PM
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My point is that paternal behavior is not a turn off in that sort of dynamic. But it is a big turn off when the sexes are reversed. It’s unnatural to expect women to be attracted to neoteny. Women tend to have a strict dichotomous switch between lovers and children, while men typically don’t. The desire to protect and the desire to have sex with are not at all opposite for men. Because men are attracted to youth and childlike features. For women, the desire to nurture and the desire to have sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 07:49 PM
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For everything not relating to sex
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 07:41 PM
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This. Men like being called daddy and are attracted to neoteny
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 07:25 PM
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Men only care for and protect their property
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 07:17 PM
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but you also start feeling like you are going through so much fucking hell with your dick and they don't care at all. If they did; they would fuck you at least once or twice. It sort of makes you apathetic to whatever situation they are going through -snort- 😆 how pathetic. Men like that deserve to stay dry dicked in the “creepy guy on the peripheries of the social group” zone
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 07:14 PM
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Penetrating as an action is more physically involved than being penetrated, the one doing the penetrating generally has more control. In pegging the one who is doing the penetrating is in control of the pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 07:11 PM
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When men stop asking women to have sex with people they’re not attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 07:07 PM
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Men are honest about what they want I can tell you’ve never had a man try to talk you into bed
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 07:05 PM
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The real red pill for women is that male sexual attention is meaningless or worse than meaningless, harmful and predatory. Sexual intimacy will not lead to commitment or create bonds with men, like it will with other women. Only sunk cost and fear of losing to the competition bonds a man romantically to a woman. Men are out to use you sexually and then move onto the next, the male and female sexual imperatives are forever antagonistic. Men do not love the way women do - they conquer, collect, ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 06:58 PM
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It’s also a matter of biology. Whoever is doing the penetrating is the active participant and in charge of the pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 06:46 PM
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He has looks, money, and status. He protects and provides and is monogamous. He is capable of being a good leader and father.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 06:41 PM
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unless you severely lower your standards in terms of looks the women that are willing to settle with the bottom 80% are most likely going to be less desirable looking girls Your entire complain is that the girls in your league aren’t hot enough. No one feels sympathy for that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 06:24 PM
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It’s possible for a man to be both strong and sensitive. My bf is sensitive to my needs and emotions and is good at understanding other people without being overly sensitive or weak himself, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 05:10 PM
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Anyone can get a dick in them casually, all it takes is an available hole. Then it’s about low risk aversion and high disgust threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 05:03 PM
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Alpha bucks exist, not just as fantasy. Believing that alphas always leave is a coping device for betas
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 04:43 PM
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You’re right on the money
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 04:26 PM
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If she's introverted and secure, she's just not going to play and will get slapped with the occasional, "I'm not like other girls" accusation, which is ironically an insult females use against another female in an attempt to ostracize them, though said female has clearly already removed herself from the group Ugh I feel this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 04:46 PM
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Don’t blame the existence of a term for your personal insecurities and neuroticism. High value is a synonym for holistically attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 04:39 PM
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Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 09:45 PM
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I think that’s a solid plan 👍 As long as she doesn’t gain too much and you don’t resent her for being fatter. Also on a related note, I think for a lot of women providing food is a love language. I know when I want to care for my boyfriend or make him feel appreciated I make him his favorite meal, and I feel so loved by him when he surprises me with a snack I enjoy. Feeding someone is like telling them on a primal level “I care about you and I want to extend your existence”. I’ll ask the people …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 06:10 PM
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‘Murican here. Being a skinny blonde girl in a land of fatties is glorious, like being a giant in a country of midgets.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 06:02 PM
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A thin young blonde girl is automatically a 7. Blonde guys aren’t automatically hot like blonde girls. Dark hair is hotter on guys because it’s an indicator of high testosterone levels, light colored hair is a sign of neoteny because hair darkens with age (until it goes gray). I’m not delusional, I’m the one who’s actually attracted to men. Or maybe I’m not the only one..?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 05:53 PM
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Do you believe an Incel, who exercises, lifts, is hygienic, has a career, has their shit together, should be in a relationship with an obese women addicted to food that has nothing going for them, just because they’re in the same “league”? Yes absolutely. Life isn’t fair, some people start at such a disadvantage that they have to work harder than others. Deal with it. A fat woman is worth more on the dating market than an ugly man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 05:40 PM
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They’re looksmatched. If you’re more attracted to Chad than Stacy you might just like men...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 05:30 PM
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Pets being murdered or let loose in the woods when I didn't obey just reinforced the idea it was my fault Wow. I’m so sorry you suffered such horrific emotional abuse. You must be a very strong person, I wish I could give you a hug!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 05:21 PM
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Women have innate value, men don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 05:07 PM
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It sucks to be a woman and have your attraction triggers questioned or your sexuality repressed. How do you know what women find attractive? What makes you believe women were ever attracted to “nice average” men? Women of the past didn’t have any choice. The fish was always garbage, now women can actually find mates they’re attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 04:07 PM
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That was directed at him. Thanks for the vid link
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 10:33 PM
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Ahahaha you call it ragefuel I call it priceless cringe humor. The guy who made the vid is dead on correct
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 10:26 PM
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That’s hilarious, I hope someone posted the link?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 10:19 PM
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Yeah. Women are attracted to strength and masculinity. But men can earn moments of vulnerability through consistent masculine behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 09:40 PM
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But when it’s sexual it’s MUCH more evil. Women just want money, men want a harem of child sex slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 05:04 PM
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Male sexual nature is evil at its core, predatory and opportunistic. Other men only realize this when their daughters become the easy prey
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 05:00 PM
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Yes. Predatory behavior and youth fetishization is part of AMALT
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 04:50 PM
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11 or 12, around the same time I got my first period. I noticed grown men would start to use excuses to touch me more often in ways they didn’t do before. As a kid an adult might ruffle your hair, but they don’t touch the small of your back or “accidentally” brush your barely there tits or literally breathe down your neck. I had old men give me strange compliments about my growing body that made me uncomfortable but I didn’t feel like I had a right to say anything, because you’re supposed to res…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 04:31 PM
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There’s a difference between being emotionally available and being weak. A robot who doesn’t know how to process emotions won’t be a good supportive partner. Empathy is attractive, negative emotions are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 04:20 PM
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Bs. The technology allows fishermen to pursue the fish they actually want to catch instead of being forced to settle for seaweed or shrimp. Most men aren’t even fish in this analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 04:17 PM
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Yeah exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 04:16 PM
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Haha essentially. But the ideal alpha bucks man is strong AND kind to his family. I do agree most men can’t expect to be that, though. So they should focus on being strong and badass first.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 06:44 PM
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Want pussy? Don’t be a pussy 🐈
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 06:39 PM
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They can choose to have condomless sex in committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 06:38 PM
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Physical traits correlated with testosterone, physical size or presence, and how the man behaves when confronted with challenges or difficulties
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 06:32 PM
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The more rare “handicap” traits become, the more women will seek them out in an effort to separate the genetic wheat from the chaff. The strong men who do maintain kind behavior will appear even more desirable
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 06:25 PM
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Strong men can afford to be caring, weak men cannot. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicap_principle
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 06:22 PM
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I think it’s a strong possibility, as a woman with a high libido who has been both overweight and skinny. I was the happiest and horniest when I was eating more calories than I needed, but I was more self conscious during sex and more likely to do sexual things I didn’t necessarily want. My self esteem is highest when I have a flat stomach and I feel more entitled to an enjoyable sexual experience. But the power of the sexual drive is slightly lower. I suppose it makes sense in terms of evolutio…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 06:19 PM
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Useless as a small weak whiny man, those are smv matches
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 06:14 PM
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Fat cells do produce more estrogen, but I’m not sure if that can cause an uptick in female libido. It IS harder to be horny when you’re hungry all the time as a skinny chick lmao. Also fat keeps you insulated and warm, I remember a study that said wearing socks during sex increases orgasm chance. I still think there’s a psychological self esteem thing causing part of the correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 06:10 PM
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That’s from low self esteem and they feel they have to compensate with porn star performance to make up for their weight. A guy can’t focus on your fat rolls while you’re deep throating him
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 05:34 PM
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A male is anyone with xy chromosomes. A man is any adult who identifies with the masculine gender. But a Man with a capital M is a natural alpha (cis male) with above average genetic fitness (they express attractive phenotypes) and above average testosterone levels. These biological factors correlate with behaviors we traditionally associate with manliness: courage, self sacrifice, ambition, assertiveness, confidence, competitiveness, persistence. They excel at protecting and providing for their…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 04:56 PM
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That’s because men encounter people they’re sexually attracted to all the time. For women it’s a rare occurrence which leads to pedastalizing and oneitis. Imagine a fisherman who keeps reeling in seaweed or little shrimps and then finally reels in an actual fish, of course the fisherman is going to claim that’s the biggest best fish in the whole ocean.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 04:39 PM
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Duh. No one likes weak males and their complaining, they’re pathetic at best and dangerous at worst
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 04:31 PM
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In exchange for dry painful duty sex? That’s only worth suffering through for a lot of money. I’d rather have friends and family and a dog for companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 04:26 PM
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Incels are mostly angry, not sad
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 07:34 PM
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What’s the point of a monogamous sexual relationship with someone you have no sexual attraction to? Money? That’s gold digging
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 04:59 PM
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I would never date a guy I found ugly, even if he was the richest man in the world. Providership and status are only multipliers to existing attraction, and you know what you get by multiplying zero
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 04:24 PM
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Gambling for puss, basically
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 03:28 AM
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Because the female brain is anti violence pro cooperation. It takes a lot to break out of the emotional “weapons bad because violence bad” mindset. We are not wired to use violence to solve problems. I was previously an anti gun proponent until this year’s political shitstorm completely changed my mind, now I want every woman to have a gun and be trained in how to use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:27 PM
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My legs! I’ve never felt self conscious about them and I’ve gotten many compliments on their length. I like being called “leggy” as a descriptor
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:22 PM
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People will say “duh of course looks matter most” and get back to their lives
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:18 PM
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Good treatment from a short baldie is worthless
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 06:56 PM
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What if the guy primaraly talks to you because he is sexualy attracted to you but he has no idea of he will like you long term, so he is honest about that? That’s a lie. Men know almost immediately whether they want an ltr, because they only commit to the hottest women they can attain. You cannot convince a man to consider you for ltr. The safest bet is to never put out before commitment. Also, what is the specific measurement you determine if the person is stranger or not? Time spent together? …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 06:47 PM
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Please mods, we need a moratorium on n count. It’s so boring and exhausting reading the same copy pasted bs every time
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 06:44 PM
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When did we start looking at relationships this way though? When the patriarchy lost its power and women finally got to make their own choices in the game. It wasn’t a “dilemma” for men before, because they had all the power to choose the dynamic of the game and chose all the moves for the other “player”. Anyway, more about game theory in general...When playing the prisoner’s dilemma game as a one off, it is always the best strategy to be selfish and non cooperative. But, in a repeated iteration…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 06:20 PM
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Purpose can provide pleasure, I get more pleasure from deep connections than from sexual variety
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 05:35 PM
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You’re one of the most accurate least bitter posters on this subreddit. Please keep up the good work!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 05:09 PM
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If men wanted to “free themselves from the sexual leverage of women”, then they could self castrate, hook up with other men, and pay for a surrogate mother or a prostitute, not oppress women. I know there are plenty of gay men on Grindr who would be more than happy to help straight men have healthy sex lives without women. If you have enough money you won’t be a genetic dead end or sexless, and you won’t need to violate women’s autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 06:07 PM
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Right back at you. Anyone who wants sexual communism and to strip women of their rights is a psycho
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 05:56 PM
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Percentage match is irrelevant, only sexual desirability match is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 05:45 PM
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Looksmatch cannot exist in a sexually dimorphic species. The traits that make women attractive are not the traits that make men attractive, and vice versa. Short guys and fat girls are smv matched. A 5’3 woman could be the match of a 6 foot guy, because of sexual dimorphism. A 5’8 man will always be less attractive than a 5’8 woman. Is the 5’3 woman pretty young or not fat? Then she’s the desirability match of a tall men. Short and bald guys are looksmatched with older women and single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 05:42 PM
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Femininity is passive, masculinity is active.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 03:13 AM
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They think male sexual desire is an indicator of interest, the way female desire is. Basically they think rmv and smv are the same, because they are in terms of female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 02:29 AM
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You can have a loving relationship with an ugly fat weirdo, though :)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 02:30 AM
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Predation requires physical harm, if you don’t kill the animal then there’s no predation. Fishing and releasing is not predatory, by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 03:08 PM
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Wow a whole thread of people misusing the word “predator”. The correct descriptors for these behaviors are gold digger or home wrecker. Predators are physical or sexual aggressors, not people looking to get money or trying to sabotage. A teacher sleeping with a student is a predator, a serial rapist is a predator, but a woman who sleeps with a taken man is a cheating enabler and a home wrecker.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 03:04 PM
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White knights will always exist, because men have sisters and friends and mothers
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 10:17 PM
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Yeah you’re correct
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 10:16 PM
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Men’s instincts are worse and more destructive than women’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 10:14 PM
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Ok but men have more people in a population they are attracted to, which is part of why they’re more likely to cheat, especially with motivations related to variety. When women cheat, they do it to trade up and get another newer better relationship. So female cheaters are probably more likely to be thinking long term, and are less likely to have spur of the moment flings.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:56 PM
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the affection companionship etc you get from friends and family relationships is vastly different from what you get from a partner relationship especially for men Ok but they’re not going to get that from women, so they should work on being better companions to each other. “Society” didn’t do anything, this is a result of individual people making choices. Men could form platonic bachelor relationships and grow old together that way. Women that can’t get relationships could also do the same. No o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:50 PM
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But for women the opportunity to cheat is always there, it’s the opportunity to cheat with someone attractive that is scarce. For men it’s any opportunity at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:49 PM
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A very realistic fantasy that gets acted out daily. The male impulse to protect and sacrifice for female life is strong, because the male psyche sees every unclaimed female as a potential mate. White knighting exists for a reason. Not to mention female in group selection is strong, and mob mentality rules. A group of females with a mob of white knights up against one man “taking what he wants”? That’s no contest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:46 PM
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Men can get affection and companionship from each other and from their families and pets. When they say that’s not enough then it’s obviously about sex, because that’s the only thing they can’t get from interaction with other men. If other men don’t provide enough companionship, then that says male relationships are lacking and men should work to be better friends to each other. No one is entitled to companionship, because it requires the consent of all parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:42 PM
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Women are not as likely to be physically or sexually abusive and their abuse is lesser in terms of damage. I'd stay as far away as possible and not go out of my way to interact with them Women can’t afford that luxury.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:41 PM
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Men can try, and other men and women will kill them. So we have laws to prevent the inevitable cycle of retribution. This is all an extension of natural forces.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:39 PM
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Sexual interaction is not the only type of social interaction. Striking back at society because you can’t get laid is dangerous entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:36 PM
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Testosterone creates a lopsided desire for sexual variety and lowers the threshold for arousal. The existence of 80/20 means statistically men are more likely to come across women they’d like to cheat with, so men will cheat more often. Women aren’t going to cheat with men they’re not attracted to, which is most men. Even if you changed the hypothetical to a man and a woman both coming across an opportunity to cheat with someone they’re attracted to, men would STILL cheat more. Because the oppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:34 PM
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Are women even your friend or are they just so scared of getting hurt by you that they pretend to be? Both. They don’t want to hurt your feelings and they don’t want to get hurt because of your hurt feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:31 PM
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Women adapting counterdefenses is also nature
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:29 PM
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Cut the drama, not getting laid isn’t synonymous with death
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:28 PM
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Lying to avoid getting physically hurt is standard procedure. Lying for other reasons is manipulative
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:27 PM
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When you’re weaker than half the population and that other half tends to express disapproval with violence, it’s immature to act as if your words have no potential consequences. There is danger in male disapproval and danger in upsetting the male ego. What’s more immature: hitting a hornets nest or being quiet and walking by the hornets without incurring their wrath? I think we know children are more likely to hit the hornets nest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 06:15 PM
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Emotional maturity has to do with the formation of the prefrontal cortex, which is related to decision making in regards to risk. A more emotionally mature individual will carefully choose their actions and words, based on what will create the ideal result.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 06:09 PM
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Sometimes the male chimp decides the juice isn't with the squeeze, that the trouble of fighting several female chimps isn't worth it. Sometimes he decides it is worth it and massacres them. Still the males choice That’s the females forcing him into that choice. A single male can’t massacre multiple females, female chimps are stronger than even male humans, keep that in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 06:05 PM
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Only brainwashed children and the religious (same thing, really) are honest for honesty’s sake, because they can’t make cost-benefit conclusions and have limited understanding of risk. An adult will lie or tell the truth based on what makes the most sense, based on perceived risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 06:02 PM
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Good luck when we’re all undercover slut ninjas
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 06:00 PM
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When was the last time you read an anthropology book or watched a nature documentary? then kindly asked the woman for sex and if she said no they just shrugged and walked away is nonsense Except this can be observed happening in many other tournament species, like lions, horses, deer and birds. The female has the last say, after the males finish competing. This has been observed in our closest relatives, the chimpanzee. If a lead male is challenged and defeated, the females of the troop might st…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:57 PM
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Tall guys like that women find height attractive, girls with big boobs like that men find big boobs attractive, men with money like that women find money attractive. If you have a celebrated trait, you don’t mind that trait being celebrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:54 PM
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Good arguments for women to continue to lie 👍 “I like you for your personality, not your height. Of course I’d still date you if you were shorter or lost your hair” lol “I’ve only had a few boyfriends”. You’re incentivizing the behavior you claim to find disgusting, good job.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:52 PM
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Adults make cost-benefit analyses. If you want people to be honest with you, you have to incentivize honesty. Otherwise, adults will choose to lie, because it has the most benefits with the fewest costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:51 PM
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Socialization in a close-knit interrelated tribal group is more complicated than might makes right, it’s more like whoever is best at cooperation and maintaining alliances has the power. Might makes right became more of a thing with the agricultural revolution, when property ownership arose and unrelated individuals came in contact much more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:49 PM
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You seem to have a lot of problem with it, judging by your comments and all the anger and “disgust” you’re putting out there. It’s those reactions that keep women hamstering and providing white lies. If you want women to be honest, you gotta support hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:46 PM
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Ooof I feel bad for his girlfriend or wife. Talk about the bait and switch!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:45 PM
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What standards are you referring to? Men will always have to compete for reproduction more than women, that’s the male burden of performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:44 PM
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Females are the bottleneck of reproduction
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:38 PM
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Almost as useless as you screaming at clouds over women liking hot guys lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:38 PM
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Most rugby players are hot, deal with it. Sure there are some that look like potatoes, but most of them are tall built Chads in tight shorts. Rugby involves a lot more running than football, so the players don’t have the big bellies. And have you seen Muay Thai fighters? Abs for days! Too bad so many of them are Asian and short. Men that are good at hunting would also be leaders of men, leaders of tribes. Hunter bodies are better looking than fighter bodies, for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:35 PM
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Nothing needs to be fixed, this is natural selection at work. Men just need to cope better with reality instead of throwing temper tantrums, those temper tantrums only further convince women that white lies are necessary
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:31 PM
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Women are more selective than men because their decisions matter more to the population. Males are disposable, there’s very little selection pressure on male mate choice
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:30 PM
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Rugby is a contact sport and all those players are Chads. Ball games are proxies for hunting behaviors, so good ball players would also be good hunters in a tribal setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:29 PM
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I’ve found the men most angry about women liking tall men are slightly above average height men who just don’t make the cut. 5’7 to 5’10. And guys that are balding seem more angry than guys that are proudly bald and shaved it off. So I have a fairly accurate mental image going. Do you care about men’s bestial shallowness regarding age and n count? Oh of course not, because you have those same shallow standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:26 PM
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“Pretty” faces are faces with good harmonious ratios, this indicates healthy immune systems which make them less susceptible to disease. Good looks also correlate with intelligence. Athletes are some of the hottest men, have you seen Tom Brady? His genes are exceptional.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:23 PM
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What makes men “pretty” to women are traits that would make them winners among other men. Height, muscularity, social dominance, testosterone, good nutrition. Sickly small men with hair falling out did not lead tribal hunts or raids and they were not selected for by women. It’s possible to limit yourself to one person you’re strongly sexually attracted to, that’s the ideal and the end result of the female imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:20 PM
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Been there tried that as a teen with my first boyfriend, I had to fantasize about twilight vampires to get my vagina wet rofl. Sex is so much better with a hot guy, I can actually be present and enjoy looking at his body and face during the act 🤩
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:18 PM
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if their was no lie it wouldn't happen. I would really like to believe this, but so far I’m not convinced. A lot of incels and black pillers are young, they haven’t been lied to, and they’re very angry and frightening.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:16 PM
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Pretty faces are the result of good genes, there’s no such thing as “perfect” in nature. Females are always the sexual selectors and will always be so, until the Y chromosome disappears entirely, as in the whiptail lizard.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:14 PM
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Ignoring your natural instincts to sort genetic winners from losers is not moral. The male imperative and its servant Abrahamic religion is not the arbiter of morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:12 PM
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Nature is all that exists. Your DNA is who you are, it’s your basement and your ceiling and all the male ego in the world can’t change that or stop other people from accurately assessing value.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:06 PM
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All animals have a self preservation instinct, but ego requires more brain processing power and self awareness. So they’re separate but related. I don’t see the hypocrisy. I would like to live in a world where women are free to be honest and shallow without suffering repercussions from angry males. But right now that world doesn’t exist, not even on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:04 PM
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Chads only, you can’t argue with a dry vagina
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 05:01 PM
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They’re doing it to protect themselves from potential angry violent male reaction, not to look better or serve their ego
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 04:59 PM
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I’m telling you it’s NOT about ego, that’s male projection. It all comes back to self preservation, a woman’s social standing, social alliances, and overall likability is her armor. Women can’t protect themselves physically, so they protect themselves socially. A man can afford to be a disliked social pariah because he can physically defend himself, a woman cannot. Women want legal equality, not societal sameness. Women cannot afford to behave “equally” while men are so much stronger, that’s how…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 04:57 PM
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I don’t think anyone should be called out for being “shallow”. I think appearance accurately reflects genetic quality, it makes sense for everyone to want attractive people and to treat attractive people better. There’s nothing immoral about natural sexual selection. Abrahamic morals are not objective truth
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 04:50 PM
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Yeah basically. Men forced women onto the pedestal of fake male centric “virtue” and then men hate us for falling off the pedestal they made. Basically they hate actual female nature and female sexuality, and they resent that the pedestal and behavioral framework for femininity they built was always artificial.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 04:45 PM
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If men could handle women being honest about their sexuality, they wouldn’t need to lie for self preservation. But looking at the angry violent reactions of black pillers, I think women made the wise choice. The above poster is mischaracterizing women’s motivation, it’s not to trap naive betas, it’s to avoid getting killed by angry betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 04:42 PM
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No, men forced women into appearing “non shallow” because female sexuality was oppressed and the Madonna-whore complex was culturally codified. Women that failed to repress their sexual drives were burned as witches, given lobotomies, diagnosed “hysterical”, or forced into prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 04:27 PM
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I assume you’re ok with women lying about n count
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 04:23 PM
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This but unironically
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 04:13 PM
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there is no reason to assume women cheat less than men when given the opportunity The reason is biochemistry and hormones
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 04:08 PM
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That’s not malicious, it’s self preservation
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 04:06 PM
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They can suggest such
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 04:05 PM
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Because socially clueless or unsuccessful young men want sex, a black and white formulaic solution to get sex, a worldview that empowers them to be chauvinistic, and a merit/effort-based male hierarchy they can belong to and compete in. The red pill provides all of this, it turns dating into a systematic video game and every man into the main character who can level up from beta to alpha to fight against the evil hypergamic pussy boss and get sex as a quest reward. Red pill feeds into and satisf…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 03:49 PM
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Yes, because it’s holding women to a higher moral standard than men are held to and it denies women the right to pursue physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 03:46 PM
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Attraction can’t be negotiated, she’s probably not attracted to any of her orbiters
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 03:45 PM
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That’s sad :( I feel bad for her. I hope she finds a Chad to be her boyfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 01:15 AM
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Being able to be used as a flesh light and pumped and dumped is not an advantage or a privilege. Anyone can have a dick inside them whenever they want, man or woman. Women don’t want to be desired for their bodies or their sexual utility, women want to be desired for their personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 03:24 PM
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If your man thinks you’re special he won’t abandon you for another chick while you’re pregnant and vulnerable
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 07:07 PM
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(being short or not being taller than six feet doesn't count as genetic defect) Yes it does
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 07:03 PM
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Cool that’s a fair take. I used FDS ethically as a girl in that age range and got a great ltr out of it with a sweet hot guy a couple years older. I’m not sure if it would be as effective if I waited until I was 30+ though
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 05:49 PM
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Ok so a girl in her mid twenties using FDS doesn’t “suck” in your opinion? Most young women have no idea how to vet properly and get stuck as plates without ever knowing what they’re doing wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 05:42 PM
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Intermittent reinforcement is a hell of a drug. I’d rather avoid that and just date a guy who’s a better homemaker than I am and who makes me want to jump his bones lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 05:35 PM
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AMALT, all men are stupid horn dogs. I bet women initially tried motivating their husbands to do housework with truthful logical reasoning “this will make me happy and make our lives easier and less stressful”. But men don’t care about that, that doesn’t motivate them into action. “This will make me want to have sex with you” works far better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 05:28 PM
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I’m sure women started with other adjectives and found them to be ineffective at inciting male action, but the word “sexy” catches male attention and motivates them more than anything else. A guy will do anything if he thinks it will increase his chances for sex, but not for his loved one’s happiness, or for the common good, or because it’s the right thing to do. No, if you want men to jump to action there has to be sex mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 05:22 PM
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Dark eye makeup actually enhances masculinity and makes the wearer appear dangerous or mysterious. It’s why men hate heavy dark eye shadow and eyeliner, but women love it. Khal Drogo in Game of Thrones rocks the masculine makeup and it makes him look even scarier and hotter
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 05:21 PM
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Supply and demand
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 05:06 PM
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Because men only care about sex. Watch advertisements aimed at male audiences, “this car/moisturizer/watch/clothes will make you SEXY”. It’s what gets male attention, it’s only value and virtue they care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 04:46 PM
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It’s worse, a reflection of their gene quality. Character and behavior can change, but dna is forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 04:44 PM
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Or the “rational superior” sex could learn to conquer their biology and live without using women for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 04:35 PM
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women have a similar paradoxical fantasy of the perfect man; ... He should be strong and able to protect and get what he needs for his family if need be BUT he doesn’t use this strength for bad and is sweet and caring without being a pussy pushover. He should be the main breadwinner of the family but if need be also jump in without hesitation to temporarily help with doing the housework or fatherly duties. He’s Also not a ruthless opportunist who cheats (even tho he’s attractive and could ) and …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 04:24 PM
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So a male brained woman
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 04:22 PM
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She may have a few relationships, but always with the intention of finding a life partner. She's not a virgin, just a person with good intentions who has a vision of a happy life and seeks it from the get go Then she gets lied to, pumped and dumped, and labeled a slut for the rest of time. The end.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 04:15 PM
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Are you short or balding? Genetics matter more for male smv than being in shape and dressing well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 04:05 PM
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Maybe they don’t loathe the individual man they’re choosing to date? Sexuality isn’t a choice, and men are more useful as partners than women. Lesbian separatism would mean dead bedrooms, less money and security, and no family legacy, that’s worse than tolerating annoying testosterone caused behaviors. Do you believe misogynists should also go gay or celibate if they actually hate women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 06:42 PM
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Eggs and wombs are valuable, sperm is cheap
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 06:37 PM
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Because women want commitment, not sex. You can hate certain behaviors and parts of the nature of men while still liking individual men and liking what a man brings to your life. Similarly, men like the sex women bring to their life. If men truly hate women they shouldn’t have sex with women, by your logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 06:34 PM
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Because men that hate women fuck women but don’t ltr
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 04:50 PM
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women having higher standards than they deserve How entitled. Sounds like your standards might also be an issue. If having a family is a priority for you, then you should accept women in your league who want to have your babies instead of holding out for women out of your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 04:04 PM
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If you need to reproduce so badly you can pay a surrogate. Not all genes are valuable enough to attract partners, life isn’t fair and it has nothing to do with liking or disliking someone personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 03:47 PM
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It is because you’re short, you’re starting from a perceived strength deficit
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 03:11 PM
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It’s not personal and taking it personally is a sign of low self esteem
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 03:10 PM
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Proxies are more reliable indicators of gene quality than social status
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 02:59 PM
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If I didn’t want children and the surgery made the post op trans man as strong and useful as cis men, then sure maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 02:54 PM
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Genocide and racism are what makes nazism evil, not the eugenics
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 11:09 PM
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Yes, this is exactly it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 05:42 PM
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Nazi horseshit makes it about race and is a violent ideology. Natural selection and eugenics exist outside of naziism. Genes are deterministic, your fate is written in your DNA and some people are more valuable and fit biologically than others. Where nazis go wrong is suggesting that race even exists or that sterilizing and killing people and putting people in work camps is necessary to improve the gene pool. Thankfully, giving women sexual freedom is more than enough for natural selection to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 05:37 PM
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It isn’t synonymous, but they are correlated. Humans are hardwired to make quick judgements based on visual cues, those cues only have to be right most of the time to be reinforced and selected for across the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 05:33 PM
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Intelligence and good looks are correlated. people following the halo-effect is like people mating solely with the people who satisfy their fetishes. It's like having a foot fetish and saying, this person with amazing feet will produce the most healthy offspring This statement is very ignorant of the process of natural selection. Being attracted to feet is an aberration, it is not an ingrained sexual preference that was selected for over many generations. There is no correlation between “good lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 05:27 PM
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many women find sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies attractive They find masculinity and social intelligence and charisma attractive, not sociopathy. Attractive genes are fit genes and create the healthiest children.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 05:19 PM
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But it’s true. Life isn’t fair
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 04:38 PM
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The halo effect exists because it’s a beneficial adaptation for the species. We prioritize the interests of genetically superior individuals for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 04:36 PM
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Try therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 04:24 PM
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They’re too left brained and autistic to be creative
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 04:23 PM
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If he’s hot and good to me and wasn’t the soldier that killed my loved ones, then yeah probably. My family would want me to live. But if he was ugly or the one who killed my family, I’d get my revenge while he slept or poison his food.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 04:12 PM
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They need to pick a new game they can win at
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 03:46 AM
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This but unironically
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 05:36 PM
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Fisherian runaway theory has been debunked.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 05:30 PM
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Porn
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 05:27 PM
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A lack of useful masculine males. Butch lesbians have more rugged assertive ambitious masculinity than pornsick weeb coomers and they can also offer emotional support and partnership on top of that. Society is too comfortable, stationary, and easy for males, plus there’s too much environmental estrogens making boys into failed males. Women can still be attractive in such an environment, but men need struggle and competition to retain their attractive physical traits and the masculine mental driv…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 05:19 PM
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Men are more dangerous and more likely to be rapists and murderers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 05:03 PM
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You can’t change human nature. The genetic refuse will always be relegated to the corners of social groups
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 04:49 PM
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No it doesn’t. It’s all about consent
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 04:41 PM
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The difference is consent
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:05 PM
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There are more men with the attitude “any hole is a goal” than there are women with the attitude “any pole is a goal”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 05:14 PM
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This is true. Whoever has more value, more willpower and whoever is more willing to walk away from the negotiation table has the power.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:58 PM
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They’re getting something out of it other than just sex. Women don’t go to glory holes or post ads on Craigslist because they don’t value “sex” alone. They value sex with attractive high status individuals and the dopamine rush that comes with that, it’s not the mechanical action of sex that is rewarding, it’s the acquisition of someone highly sought after and the validation that comes with it. Men value the mechanical aspect of penis in hole in a way women do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:54 PM
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And if you’re a woman who wants commitment, you better keep your legs shut until he provides evidence of investment
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:53 PM
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I don’t know if it’s sad or not, I guess as long as it can still lead to love and babies being born it’s not so sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:47 PM
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Only men value that type of utility on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:46 PM
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The hot broke men are providing good genes and protection while in their presence. Naive women attempt to give their side of the transaction in hopes that the hot guy will then acquiesce on his side and provide resources and commitment. But good business people learn the hard way, expect payment up front before any transaction occurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:44 PM
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A “man’s alpha” is based on behavior, a “woman’s alpha” (the only kind that matters) is based on physical traits that indicate gene quality and high levels of testosterone. A short weak man can become a leader of men through strength of personality, but he will never be a woman’s alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:37 PM
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