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I can say with confidence we never asked how much alcohol or drugs people consumed. We asked one thing: were they so intoxicated that they were unable to consent. So, like I said, an unspecified amount of alcohol. That's the issue : this is really badly defined, and if you have ever spent any time talking to people about consent, some people have very... Strange ideas of what consists in "being unable to consent'. For some people, having had one glass of alcohol and being slightly tipsy may be c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/26 10:32 PM
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National Organisation of Women, the biggest feminist association in the US
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 06:14 PM
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It's worse that that's feminism has barred implementing things that would benefit women because it would benefit men or damage the feminist ideology positioning women as victims and men as perpetrators. The reason Warren Farrell got booted out of the NOW is because he sought to empower women with the knowledge of how they could make more money through analysing what the choice differences were that led to men making more on average. And that's the least serious bit of such examples
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/26 08:27 AM
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Well. Many Muslims, and even Muslim women, affirm that islam gives so many rights and respect to women, when the prophet himself said women were most of the inhabitants of hell because they were lacking in brain and in faith. Ideology does that to people. It blinds them to reality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/26 08:24 AM
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You might think so, but points carried by the MRAs that were only talked in our circles are slowly filtering through into society at large, without people even being aware where those points are coming from. As someone who's been in there for more than a decade, I can see the impact, the change in modes of thinking. I will also point out that changes always come from a minority, and that when the majority finally turn, we will be there with the conceptual basis ready to be implemented
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/26 01:09 PM
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Frankly, I don't know enough about this conflict to have much of an opinion on it. One could point out that the Palestinian side does not wear uniforms, habitually hides amongst civilians, and une civilians looking people to conduct all sorts of attacks, which makes it hard to know if you are in immediate danger just by looking at someone. War is generally disgusting, but a commander that says "wait until you are absolutely certain that the person you see approaching you is a menace before shoot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/26 06:41 AM
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You know why. Precision kills the possibility to get the result they want. Clarity is the tool of the scientist. Obfuscation is the tool of the Charlatan.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 05:51 PM
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Bold of them to assume 95.1% of men have had sex That already seems suspicious just from that. I'm willing to bet it is one of those "we worded things badly in our surveys, that were designed by a committee of misandrists who made sure to orient it to get the answer we wanted, we administered it to a captive audience of 12 feminist men and used it to generalise to the whole of male population. The study will never be replicated nor does it bother to really go through any process that would ensur…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 05:47 PM
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Oh ? Why? What happened?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/26 07:20 AM
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Frankly. The notions of left and right are pretty absurd anyway. It gets even more absurd when people try to link it to existing party politics. Party politics is an unfortunate side effect of the tool used by the financial oligarchies to steal power away from the population at large : election. The most amazing thing is that they managed to convince people that, in spite of the ample documentation of the architects of republics being firmly opposed to democracy, elections are the epitome of dem…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/26 12:20 PM
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Or flexing that male rates are higher because they use different methods It's not even true. When you control for method, you still find higher rates of male deaths. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165032711005179
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 08:39 AM
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Tates, Sneako, Fresh and Fit Never heard of those guys before the feminists started to loose their minds over them. A nice case of the Streisand effect, I'm willing to bet. Edit : yeah. A Google trend research seem to indicate that.he was a 'obody until July 2022. In August 2022, he spikes as articles are published about how awful a guy he is. He spikes again in December when he's arrested for rape in romania. Basically, he is popular only when the MSM talk about him. Otherwise he's just a nobod…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 04:26 PM
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/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 04:24 PM
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Nah, she's both (and it's the anti sex part that poses problem to feminists, generally)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 08:31 AM
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Dworkins is particularly known for being controversial, even among feminist circles. Particularly, she's very anti sex, which doesn't sit well with a lot of feminists. Gearhart is lesser known, far less controversial, and is among the architects of gender studies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 07:44 AM
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Oh right, that's it, I wasn't entirely sure. Thanks!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 01:51 PM
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And I asked a pretty simple question. Which you keep refusing to answer. Why are you evading my question? It's a simple yes or no question. Are you implying we should remove seatbelts?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 12:22 PM
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Still evading my question. Why haven't you answered ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 12:20 PM
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And as I told you, you misunderstood me, I didn't imply anything one way or another. But maybe you are the only one allowed to suggest others are implying things?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 12:19 PM
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Are you implying we should remove seatbelts ? Why are you evading this simple question ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 12:18 PM
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Are you implying we should remove seatbelts?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 12:16 PM
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Actually. This answer is answering both your stated question and your implied question. It answer your stated question "am I implying X" when I say "it's another debate entirely", showing that you misunderstood me and asked me about a topic I didn't address initially. It answer your implied question of "what do I think about women's right to elect ?" By giving you a general answer of what I think about anyone's right to elect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 12:13 PM
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It's an assinine question. I have not implied that, nor have I not implied that. Because you misunderstood what I said. What I said is orthogonal to the question you are asking, it's unrelated. Your answer is a bit as if I asked you "are you implying we should remove seatbelts?" Your question has nothing to do with what I said. "You misunderstood me" is the only valid answer to your question. And if you are even remotely competent in understanding language, you should also be able to understand …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 12:09 PM
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I have answered your question. You didn't understand me. That's your answer. You didn't understand me. Get it ? You invent things and run with what you imagine
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 11:45 AM
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I have. I am not trying to suggest what you said. You didn't understand me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 11:44 AM
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Are you trying to suggest that somehow women's suffrage wasn't a good thing? To be honest, I contest that anyone's right to elect is a good thing. Election is a trap to give the power to the oligarchy. (The link is in french but LLM do wonders translating things, nowadays) In reality, democracy is rooted in sortition, not election. And when election was instituted as the core principle of republics, it was explicitly a move against democracy. During the french revolution, one of the architects o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 11:43 AM
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Otherwise, I don't see your point here. Most movements have multiple different approaches, and some conflict with one another. You illustrated the problem : you claim the first waver were raciste. This illustrate clearly what I am talking about, feminism has claimed the suffragettes for its first wave, and passed under silence the existence of the various suffragist movements. You do not get to say "there were multiple movements" while also saying "they were racists". It's the classic feminist p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 11:34 AM
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Are you trying to suggest that somehow women's suffrage wasn't a good thing? As in women shouldn't have the universal right to vote? You seem to explicitly state that ("It wasn't good."), but I just want to make sure that's what you actually meant. You didn't understand me. The feminist first wave wasn't good. I believe all that followed made that explicitly clear.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 11:28 AM
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There's also the Partner Abuse State of Knowledge project, basically the biggest meta-analysis ever made on DV, regrouped into a website for convenient access : https://domesticviolenceresearch.org/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 11:20 AM
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It is a very common trope I see. How do I state that these are not isolated cases? I usually start from the "anecdotal" to move on to the systemic. Don't just quote Mary Koss. Take the time to walk people through the implications. I usually agree that indeed, most everyday feminists are full of good intent and their claims to care about equality are often genuine. Your feminist sister, the feminist friends. All of those have been repeated that feminism is equivalent to caring about equality, sim…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 10:54 AM
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e.g. first wave feminism women's suffrage for the right to vote was good, but it was openly racist and at the exclusion of minorities (particularly black women). It[edit : first wave feminism, as was made abundantly clear by the "it was openly racist"] wasn't good. The "first wave feminists" refers to the suffragettes, who were but one of many suffragist movements, composed of men and women. The suffragettes were domestic terrorists. They were so hated by the population that other suffragist mov…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 10:17 AM
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The Helpseeking Experiences of Men Who Sustain Intimate Partner Violence: An Overlooked Population and Implications for Practice : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3175099/ You should also look into primary aggressor policies, and how and why they were put in place In short and from memory : first was the Duluth model, which posit that only women can be victims of DV and was used to train police forces. After a while, it fell somewhat put of fashion (though it's still pushed by the UNWom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 10:02 AM
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While the title is true, I think it is important to remind people that this comes from a respected feminist scholar, and one at the origin of gender studies. It's not some obscure nobody's it's not like Dworkins that is mostly not well regarded, or Solanas who can be argued to be just some nutjob.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 09:48 AM
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Are you familiar with the grievance studies affair You might want to draw particular attention to one of the hoax papers they made progressive stack. This is a paper where they argued that. To help them experience oppression, white male students should be chained to the floor and have their questions ignored. The initial hoax paper suggested this be done with compassion to them. What's worrying is that this paper was one the way to be published, but that's not the most worrying part. The most wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 09:44 AM
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the feminist case for acknowledging women's acts of violence is a paper, by feminists. Talking about how the entire feminist DV industry was geared towards suppressing knowledge of women's acts of violence, with a wonderful quote in it : The gendered framing of domestic violence aligned with the work of the feminist movement more broadly, harmoniously positioning the movements as inter-connected. Domestic violence was specifically framed around a collective “oneness” of women as victims and men …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 09:01 AM
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The draft is completely immoral. I would only give one caveat : If the system is an actual democracy (not a republic) : the various assemblies are selected through sortition, the few offices that require election use imperative and revocable mandate, with account rendition to the public, the medias are forbidden to be owned by big money and fonction only as cooperative or something similar to limit heavily propaganda by a given class, with various commissions of randomly selected citizens workin…
/r/MensRights15/04/26 06:32 AM
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Published 16 years ago, which makes it bordering the 50years of denying the evidence
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 01:51 PM
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General arguments are quite limited, and none of what I said wasn't presented before, and possibly better, by people like Karen Straughan. If you don't know her, I highly encourage to go watch her youtube channel, sort her videos by oldest, and start watching. The arguments are not new, the counters aren't either, and it's not for nothing she got the reputation she has, in the MRM, and is viewed with that much respect. If it is arguments and counter arguments you want. I think the best way to di…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/26 09:36 PM
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Thanks. Thoughts on what in particular? Recently, I've been thinking more about political institutions. If you want, I can elaborate on how elections are a scam that are used to fool people into thinking this is what democracy looks like, when actual democracy can only be based on sortition. But that's a position that is so completely outside the overton window in the English speaking world that nobody even bother to answer to it in English speaking forums. It is gaining quite a lot of traction …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/26 12:44 PM
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Were you in the subject groups of the previous work you thought he covered fairly ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 05:08 PM
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Are you sure it's not a case of Gell‑Mann Amnesia Effect ? When he tackles a topic you definitely know a lot about, you notice the flaws in his methodology and approach. What makes you think he doesn't present the exact same issues when dealing with topics you don't know about ? Edit : I asked ChatGPT if similar criticisms as the one levied here (cherry picking worst examples and guilt by association) had been previously levied against Theroux's work. It would seem like that is actually his enti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 04:50 PM
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A point was made once "why don't you MRA people distane yourself from abrasive people like Paul Elam?" Karen Straughan had a very pertinent answer along the following lines : Paul Elam may be abrasive, but he is often right in his criticisms and doesn't do anything objectionable in itself beside being uncompromising towards bullshit and satirising it in exactly the terms they used, turned against them, sources backing it up. If we start distancing from Paul because he's too abrasive, then the mo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 04:27 PM
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Never heard of that guy. Not sure I intend to. Why should anyone care what he has to say ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 03:55 PM
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At this point, I wonder if we should just give up reclaiming the term manosphere for ourselves and just distance from it. MRA was a term imposed on us because feminists found it absolutely ridiculous that there might be a need to do activism regarding men's rights. When that wasn't enough. They then created the term "manosphere" as a way to bundle together everything that might view men positively or take an interest in them, and to smear them all through the worst examples of the worst kind of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 03:49 PM
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Thoughts on Bell Hooks? I'm going to be as moderate as possible. And weight carefully my words : Cultists gonna cult. Intersectionality is a blight on civilization, and anything touched by it should be kept at bay. I like Warren Farrells take on suicide due to male disposability which I find superior to one’s centering toxic masculinity or men having access to guns/not caring About others Well, it's not about liking or not liking, it's about matching with the facts. Like the fact that, even acco…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 01:20 AM
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Man has to sleep at some point, and being 2m50 tall, weighing 500kgs of pure muscle and being able to bench press a small truck with every finger does not make you immune to being awakened by boiling water being poured on your genitals.
/r/MensRights12/03/26 11:22 AM
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You know, I hate that stat with a passion. Not because it is false. But because of why it is right. Because of the crucial element that lacks that make it profoundly deceptive. You see, people present that stat as if the situation for male and female victims of DV was perfectly equal, and so everything being otherwise equal, it shows that women must be facing more and more severe DV. But are things otherwise equal ? Well. Not really. We are currently living in societies where, at the first sign …
/r/MensRights12/03/26 11:20 AM
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Here's the cynical answer : no outlet is acceptable. Society is dependent on men's productivity. It's the one with excess. Men produce resources. Women produce men. Men are motivated by women. A way out of being motivated by women means a threat to the excess productivity of men. Which is why MGTOW exist and is an accelerationist standpoint. A society that destigmatize men giving up on women is a society giving up on itself. The goal is not to destigmatize men giving up on women. The goal is fin…
/r/MensRights11/03/26 09:05 AM
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The thing is, you based your post on a flawed premise : feminism used to be good. But got corrupted. Therefore movements start good but get corrupted. Therefore what are MRA doing against seeing their good movement being corrupted by those bad actors ? And in addition, you didn't provide any example of those bad actors. So, I'll ask what I asked elsewhere : who are those bad actors corrupting the MRM? Do you have any example ? You see, the MRM has always been very small and struggling to get hea…
/r/MensRights10/03/26 08:51 AM
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I would like to point out something. Nobody "vote". At most, we "elect". There is a vast difference. In the first case, you make decision. In the second, you chose a master to decide for you no matter what you want.
/r/MensRights10/03/26 08:08 AM
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Do you have examples of those bad actors MRAs ? Personally, I struggle to find a single example of a prominent MRA anywhere.
/r/MensRights10/03/26 08:02 AM
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When you say "For example, even though very flawed, feminism started as a pro-woman movement about better rights and opportunities for women", that's where you are mistaken. Feminism was not "good at first, but then turned corrupt". It was shit from the get go. The declaration of sentiment, often described as the first feminist document, state "the history of mankind is the history of the oppression of women by men". It is possibly the most sexist statement one can imagine. It's what evolved int…
/r/MensRights10/03/26 07:56 AM
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The irony is that, since it skips the commute, it frees more time, and as the person who has the most time it is only legitimate to do more housework. As such, making WFH a women's issue basically ensure that women would end up doing more housework even if they didn't in the first time. But then. Is there anyone here surprised that a feminist talking point causes what it pretends to fight against ? After all, if it didn't, how would they ensure the continuation of their grift ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/26 01:41 PM
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How to talk with normal leftist There is only one answer to that : offline, patiently. Otherwise, it's a lost cause. You are not talking to the person who answer you. You are talking to the audience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/26 01:36 PM
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Not really. I'm pointing at the root of things, I'm explaining why things seem to change yet stay the same, why feminism has such double standards. People spend their time being baffled by the apparent double standards of feminism. It's because it is not a double standard. It is just the same thing expressing in different circumstances. And unless we recognise what we're dealing with, we can't get anywhere. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/dpqe0t/feminism_traditionalism_double_standa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 04:15 PM
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You are still not getting it. Sure, gender roles and gender expectations are linked. But they are not identical. Gender expectations are how gender roles express in a given circumstance. If you change the circumstances, you change the expectations, but the role doesn't change. If you will, you can see it as the difference between instances of annidentical software in various hardware environments. When you launch your app on a Samsung, or a Huawei, an android or an apple, or a high end gaming co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 12:52 PM
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You are still mistaking the cosmetic for the essential. Advantages, disadvantages, rights and responsibilities, those are how rôles express, not the roles themselves. Basically, you are arguing that accountants no longer exist because they use excel instead of paper. Circumstances have changed, and so the roles have adapted how they are expressed. But the roles themselves are still strong and kicking, and have not been particularly questioned.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 09:33 AM
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The female gender role has been thoroughly examined and largely deconstructed. It really hasn't. The cosmetic form that role takes in our current society is different from the cosmetic form it took in previous societies. But the fundamental is still the same : women are to be protected and provided for. Now that is delocalised, replacing daddy/hubby with daddy government. But feminism is quintessentially still "will someone please protect the women and provide for them?" And so men's role doesn'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 08:46 AM
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I'm highly skeptical, due to the nature of the discourse. It is still more patriarchy and toxic masculinity BS. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And repeating the same thing tends to have the same results. I guess we will have to wait and hear what people who went through it have to say, unless we can have access to the kind of material they provide Edit : I mean, discourse wise, it looks identical to what we can see on menslib, and we all know just what this sub does…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 08:46 AM
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Feminism can not strive in an environment where it has to answer to criticism. As a result, either such a sub sees all feminists flee, or the sub implement rules that make it a feminist echo chamber. It is what happens every time someone tries to make a place for feminists and egalitarians to exchange.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/26 07:22 PM
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It always amaze me how people seem to think academia is some kind of insulated realm without any impact on the world. "It's just academia, it doesn't really matter and doesn't impact the world". Yeah. Right, it's only the basis of what we teach the next generation and how we learn to view the world. What kind of impact could that have ? Particularly for a movement like feminism, that is heavily grounded in academia, and that is ideological in nature first, and then is activist, which is the majo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 05:43 PM
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I wholeheartedly disagree that somehow, the academics would be the "nice", "legitimate" version of feminism. It isn't. Regarding the "no true feminist" take, I usually refer to Karen Straughan's answer. And when people try to use the "but feminism isn't a monolith" to argue that there are some feminists out there who really are pro men and anti misandry, I point out that we know very well what it looks like when there's disagreement between feminists on a topic they care about, thanks to the exa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 11:10 AM
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Feminism, traditionalism, double standards. One cause : malagency
/r/MensRights17/01/26 08:31 AM
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I'm not familiar with the other ones, but Richard Reeves can fuck off with his redshirting boys.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 07:41 AM
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That right here. Academia and science has always been very predatory regarding achievements. I believe one of the most well known examples nowadays is Edison, who stole the inventions of many, many of the people who came to him.
/r/MensRights14/01/26 08:57 AM
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Then what is really the point of drawing a distinction on something that doesn't exist ? I mean, I could build an argument that a real valid form of Nazism is about the right for Germany to have its own industry and military and nothing else, and that the other forms of Nazism are distinct from it. If I am delimiting an empty category...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 06:53 PM
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I see you haven't bothered to read what I linked. The simple response to your simplistic (and actually disconnected from the reality of the ideology you defend) take is this : Intersectionality is the bigot's way to approximate the reality that people are individuals while still judging people based off their innate characteristics as tokens of their groups. Now, are you going to actually address what I actually pointed out in the link I gave, or are you going to keep pretending that intersectio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 04:42 PM
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The "patriarchy" is an all encompassing BS term. It is a sign of the cultish nature of the ideology. If you seek to put words on it, here's the structure : the world is under the oppression of an ill defined and intangible force that force impose a false consciousness on everyone a select few of those oppressed can use that to pierce that false consciousness to develop a special consciousness that special consciousness is the pathway to liberation getting to that liberation is generally accompli…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 04:33 PM
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Intersectionality has already been discussed at length here, here's my take on it, basing myself on the foundational paper, a manual used to teach it, and a paper by scholars of the field The short version : it's morally and intellectually bankrupt, it is a kind of cult that doesn't belong in any institution and should be avoided like the plague.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 04:10 PM
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No. Intersectionality is something you want as far away from any semblance of power as possible. It is not our friend
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 02:50 PM
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Yeah, thanks, but intersectionality is a plague better left untouched Edit : and those are not men's rights friends. Really.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 02:46 PM
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Those egalitarian feminists, are they in the room with us ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 12:34 PM
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In France, it's been technically illegal for a long time. But in practice it is tolerated. One of the big issue in getting circumcision actually banned throughout the world is the influence of the US who have been known to exert pressures on other countries to have it remain legal or tolerated.
/r/MensRights11/01/26 12:45 AM
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The only movement that fights for men, and for equality, is the MRM. Incels, PUAs, MGTOWs and whatever else is classified as the "manosphere" are not about fighting for men's rights. The only one that's tangentially related to men's rights can be part of MGTOW in an accelerationist kind of way. The idea is that if men withdraw from a society that exploit them and from women's attention. Things might get so unstable and desperate that society will have no other choice but to acknowledge men and f…
/r/MensRights09/01/26 04:53 PM
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Meh. Feminism going more crazy is expected. It's what happens when cults start loosing the war. More and more reasonable people are getting rid of their feminist ideas, and as a result, the feminist lefts are more and more the crazy ones. And as a result, their crazy antics drive sane people more and more away. Until only the most fanatic cultists are left. What you should care about is not the feminists and their craziness. It's the normal people that are more and more fed up with it.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 05:02 PM
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The reaction of the feminists is that, yes. Which is already tremendous progress, but they aren't our targets. The target is everyday people, who do not have a crippled sense of compassion, and from them. It is much more that simple utilitarianism. The feminist establishment has no choice but to throw some bones, precisely because our points have gained massively in influence. But the reality is that our message has been reaching people and society has been shifting.
/r/MensRights06/01/26 11:33 PM
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Like I said, there are some people here who were in the movement long before 2010, who can tell you about how the MRM was perceived. I came in relatively late, around 2012, and objecting to feminism back then was really anecdotal, and when a few YouTubers turned against it when it tried to parasitize the Atheist movement, they were almost seen like lunatics. Even for them, the MRM was seen as toxic, not to be approached. There wasn't a single shelter for battered men to be found, the only one in…
/r/MensRights06/01/26 05:42 PM
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We are, slowly, but surely
/r/MensRights06/01/26 05:31 PM
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Be realistic. You recognise that men and women have a positive bias towards women which they don't have for men, so any attempt to replicate feminism will not work without engaging into pretty heavy cult indoctrination to suppress that kind of thing. Which then turns pretty ugly pretty quickly. No. The solution is not to go cult like that way feminism does. That path leads to bad things. The solution is to call out the cult and to point at it every time it tries to creep up. It is harder, but it…
/r/MensRights06/01/26 01:43 PM
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He doesn't speak English, and she's been through a few manic episodes that were pretty bad. The first one really took him by surprise, he wasn't well aware of what bipolarity really implied. To be fair, until you've seen it for yourself, it can be hard to grasp the reality of it. They both have support from psychologists/psychiatrists, so that's good, and it's in Europe, with healthcare system that don't involve bankrupting yourself, so things aren't too bad. The hardest is probably for the kids…
/r/MensRights06/01/26 01:25 PM
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I know a guy who, after a long term relationship, started dating again. The first woman wanted him to be a father to her kids, and he didn't want to be a father again. So they broke up. Then he went with a woman, who pulled a knife on him for going to buy croissants in the morning, accusing him of cheating. He left as he didn't want to deal with mental health issues of the kind. He then settled with a woman who's bipolar and made him kids. They're still together. Happily, he says, though I'm not…
/r/MensRights06/01/26 10:45 AM
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Not really. Though strictly speaking, the gnostic movements refer to specific cults around the first few centuries, it's also used to refer to similar belief structures which have a few characteristics. a fallen world (that is generally seen as oppressive, or a prison to escape) an immanent salvation eschatology salvation attained through special knowledge accessible only to the initiate few Under such a definition, the Hermeticism that also gave birth to alchemy can be described as gnostic, s w…
/r/MensRights06/01/26 09:17 AM
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English has that particularity that you can turn all sorts of words into other sorts of words. You can noun a verb, and verb a noun, and much more. If I'm not mistaken, beside, "woke" as a descriptor is a contraction of awoken, as in you've been awoken to the hidden reality that oppression rule the world, getting rid of the false consciousness it imposed on you. Which is the gnostic part I was referring to.
/r/MensRights05/01/26 11:15 PM
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And what is it, then ?
/r/MensRights05/01/26 07:11 PM
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She's wrong on one point, majorly. She says "if it was an ideology, we would just have to present better arguments and be done with it." But that is a completely false dichotomy. It's a special kind of ideology : it's a cult. Cults don't get defeated by "better arguments". That's not how it works. Christianity, islam. And pretty much all religions have been defeated by better arguments long ago, and they are not going away anytime soon. We're dealing with a gnostic cult, and it will be a pain in…
/r/MensRights05/01/26 10:39 AM
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That looks like a nice and rational appeal to reason and compassion to the rabid cult. Also known as an exercise in futility. And I mean that literally: woke is a slang used by people who don't know that the appropriate term is "gnostic".
/r/MensRights05/01/26 08:16 AM
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You do not fuck for virginity. You do not discriminate for equality. The feminist mindset is toxic, and should not be adopted. It creates its own opposite, which is just as oppressive, and we have history to look at to see what happens when we give in to those impulses. It's not for nothing if menkampf is a thing. Feminism is not like Nazism. It is like communism, which is what inspired the tools used by Nazism, though. Nazism is the reaction to communism using the same tools against their goals…
/r/MensRights03/01/26 07:07 AM
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You're welcome. Did you get a chance to look at what I provided ?
/r/MensRights01/01/26 05:19 PM
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Intersectionality is the bigot's way to approximate treating people as individuals. It is morally and intellectually bankrupt and should be avoided at all costs
/r/MensRights31/12/25 09:04 AM
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I don't know how it works in India, but rather than suing the parents, it's probably more effective to sur the doctor/hospital. The parents may be deceived or wrong, but the doctors usually swear an oath to do no harm, and is supposed to be informed on the fact that there are no medical justification for such a procedure. They should have informed the parents and refused to perform the act, and should be terrorised to be sued into oblivion so that they refuse to perform it again. Your parents wo…
/r/MensRights15/12/25 10:46 AM
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Frankly, the answer to both issues is the same : it's a question of market, of consumer habits and choices.
/r/MensRights13/12/25 08:56 PM
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If you read my link, I'm not arguing they are the same thing. I'm saying they are of the same source, they are similar responses to similar instincts in different conditions
/r/MensRights12/12/25 01:46 PM
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By definition, the people there are not scientists, they are political activists. As a result, they know how to pressure administrations and the like to their advantage. They have deployed into society and their environment a set of conceptual superweapons they can use to blow out the brain of anybody that crosses them. Exposing them it not that trivial, and there's not much value for any individual to try.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 09:15 AM
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Please do, because I am really not sure about that.
/r/MensRights11/12/25 10:25 PM
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Oh, I didn't know lite was an actual word. I thought it was a misspelling for commercial purposes. Is it a purely American use, or is it also in English? Edit : Apparently I was correct in my usage and lite is a marketing gimmick
/r/MensRights11/12/25 04:01 PM
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It's important to note that while this is some of the best data we have on the topic, that is just a show of how low the bar is. The NISVS is a phone survey on memory of events. It asks about memory of events having happened in the past 12 months and over lifetime You have to keep in mind that not everyone takes the time to answer phone surveys. You have to consider social desirability effects and the like when it comes to surveys. Then you have to think about memory. Memory is not like accessin…
/r/MensRights11/12/25 03:53 PM
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Tradcons are not our friends. They are feminism light.
/r/MensRights11/12/25 12:52 PM
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Careful what you wish for. They might just drop the burden of proof, #believeallwomen style
/r/MensRights11/12/25 08:20 AM
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You have to understand that those people are playing identity politics to win. Read the founding paper of intersectionality "mapping the margins", by Kimberlé Crenshaw. It's rather short, but quite illuminating. It is explicitly opposed to the universalism of the civil rights movement. The dream of judging people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin is not for them. You might also be interested in a book used to teach intersectionality to university student : "is everyo…
/r/MensRights10/12/25 02:11 PM
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Yup. When a position is socially advantageous, it is even more socially advantageous to hold it genuinely. And the human brain is very good at making that calculation and getting people to genuinely hold whatever is convenient at the time regardless of petty things like logic or consistency. Particularly in our societies where we train kids into believing being wrong is bad and undesirable, you can not expect people to admit often that they were wrong. And thus the desirability to be genuine in …
/r/MensRights10/12/25 09:58 AM
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Abusive in the sense of abuse of language/logic, not in the sense DV. It might be a false friend from my native language, though
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/25 04:35 PM
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Oh, I have seen that video. I didn't remember her name.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/25 01:36 PM
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The paper really is about scholars in psychology. It's abusive to generalise to women from it. It's an interesting paper, though. Edit for clarity : I mean it's an abuse of what the paper shows. An overextending that is inappropriate. It is a study on psychology researchers. That sample is non-random.and therefore can not be fairly extended to the whole population. It has no vocation to show that it's results are valid for the whole of academia. Let alone showing that it is valid for non-academi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/25 01:29 PM
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Ok. And who's Cory Clark, and how did he show that ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/25 11:16 AM
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Didn't you mean "objectively true" ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/25 06:40 AM
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It's "By OtHeR mEn" and therefore somehow that doesn't matter. In the mind of ideologues
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/25 06:33 AM
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Even before stats, set theory is incredibly basic and amazingly useful. It often is a struggle to talk to someone who has no notion of the thing. For lay people, that's basically "venn diagrams". You draw two circles of different sizes, that may overlap totally or partially, and express what that means. Like understanding that something can be part of something else while the two are not identical. It's so basic to anything having to do with logic that not having notions of the stuff is handicap…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/25 06:30 AM
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Yup. That's precisely my point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/25 03:11 PM
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I'm somewhat autistic. Social cues are hard for me. I was raised to treat people equally. I was told that was the right thing to do, and what women wanted : to be treated equally. What that paper describes, that was a tough reality check I got. I didn't understand why many girls didn't like me when I was young. Turned out I treated them as I would treat boys. Equally. And they really didn't like that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/25 10:45 AM
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There are two main types of sexism: hostile and benevolent sexism This is a con. Equality necessitate two sides. Equations necessitate two sides You can have one gender being treated equally while the other isn't. Even though you can make a sentence that say it, it doesn't mean it makes sense. You can't have one gender being treated better without the other being treated worse. X>Y <=> Y<X And so, there is no such thing as benevolent or hostile sexism. There is only sexism. Because, necessarily,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/25 10:42 AM
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I will repeat the commentary I made when this was posted last year : The first thing you have to ask yourself is "who is making that paper?" Let's Google the first name in the paper. It usually is either the person who wrote it or the lead directrice, and either way, it tells you a lot about the nature of the paper. So who is Aife Hopkins-Doyle? She's a young researcher in psychology recently graduated from a UK university. Probably the person who wrote the piece, rather than the main director o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/25 12:05 PM
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Something I like to remind all concern trolls that come here : what you read on this sub is not necessarily representative of men's rights activists positions. This is not Askfeminist where only a strict viewpoint is allowed to be expressed. This sub has a very lax control on speech. Pretty much anyone can come and post more or less whatever without much risk of getting deleted or banned. And so, there are pretty much all sorts of people posting and commenting here. As such. As one of the few ba…
/r/MensRights27/11/25 04:12 PM
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Have you even bothered reading the link? Because if it is to repeat things already addressed in it, it's not worth talking to you, as you demonstrate you are not operating in good faith...
/r/MensRights24/11/25 12:49 AM
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Then you will find plenty of those in that analysis. At which point, I'm sure you will actually bother to address the points being made, no doubt.
/r/MensRights23/11/25 09:44 PM
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It's not a source, it's analysis of several sources. Learn the difference. And if you have anything to reproach to that analysis, you're welcome to present that, too.
/r/MensRights23/11/25 08:03 PM
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I once made a post discussing a paper by feminists discussing the very topic : https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/cbj3dg/a_feminist_scholarly_paper_admitting_feminists/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/25 10:57 AM
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Here you go : http://www.datagoneodd.com/blog/2015/01/25/how-to-lie-and-mislead-with-rape-statistics-part-1/ http://www.datagoneodd.com/blog/2015/01/27/how-to-lie-and-mislead-with-rape-statistics-part-2/
/r/MensRights15/11/25 08:06 AM
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Great for the US. Now let's wait and see how fast this turns into a "let's help men by getting them rid of their toxic masculinity" feminist fest. I sincerely wish it won't. But I expect it will. Even movember ended up funding women's health, so...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/25 09:45 PM
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Usually the men that didn't outlive those women were in poorer health. Hence why they didn't survive.
/r/MensRights10/11/25 08:22 AM
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First of all. The "manosphere" is a made up word by feminists to use guilt by association as a way to dismiss men's rights issues. Why discuss circumcision or domestic violence against men, when you can say "but MRAs are just part of the manosphere. They pretend to care about men but really, they are just like the incels and the PUAs." So, frankly. The term should be either abandoned or eventually used with scare quotes. And the misandry of feminism is not confined to it's far left elements. Rig…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/25 09:24 AM
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But I don't think the concept of feminism is hateful in itself. We all know people who identify as feminists who are good people. We all know Christians, Jews and Muslims who are really good people. Yet have you read any of those books they are supposed to believe in ? Saying an ideology is hateful is different from saying everyone who believes in that ideology is hateful. And feminism is a hateful ideology, no doubt about that. They are pro-woman There has been plenty of examples where feminism…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 08:15 PM
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Really ? Then this representative, surely he is engaged by the promises he makes, which he was elected to represent, and if he fails to keep them, you have the ability to get rid of him. Right ?
/r/MensRights25/10/25 09:45 PM
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The main issue is that the rules of the game are not in the hand of the people. Election is a trap. Once you elect a master, there's nothing you can do but patiently wait for a chance to vote that master out, hoping that the alternate master is not going to be cut out from the same cloth. Except that, to get elected, you need money and access to the media, and so basically, all the people who have a decent chance at getting elected are indeed cut out from the same cloth, sponsored by the same pe…
/r/MensRights24/10/25 04:44 PM
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While the men involved did evil acts, the justice system in itself is neither male nor evil. We can also appreciate the misandristic undertone of associating being male with being evil.
/r/MensRights24/10/25 02:20 PM
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This article is a year old feminist propaganda piece. I mean, they claim, for proof of the patriarchy in France, that it is only "recently" that marital rape was recognised... The rape of a woman by her husband was classified as rape back in 1990. Before that, it was still a crime under domestic violence. In contrast, the rape of a man by a woman was only officially recognized in 2018. Although, if you look at stats on rape prosecutions, the numbers didn't change since then, so it seems like the…
/r/MensRights24/10/25 02:18 PM
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It's also a pun with mâle/mal (male/evil) So the sign can be understood as "male/evil justice" Source : I'm French.
/r/MensRights24/10/25 01:59 PM
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Eh, feminism subs have a long history of being brigades etc which makes them trigger happy They have a long history of being echo chambers where the slightest doubt is punished through ostracism. But how exactly does that fit well with your notion that everyday feminists are actually not that bad ? That we are just "cherry picking" the bad cases? The misandry in those spaces is palpable, to anyone who isn't possessed by their propaganda. Because misandry is inherent to feminism. It's right at th…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 09:52 PM
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The first wave was a bunch of upper class racists and misandrists. Look at their involvement in the white feather campaign. They demanded men go die in the trenches and were outraged when the black men who did ended up gaining the right to vote because of it before them who demanded it for free.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 06:37 PM
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How about you do it, and tell us about the results. Frankly, I'm kind of done trying to beg feminists for scraps of decency towards men. It has been tried, again and again, with disappointing results almost always. Even the feminists that come here, who show a modicum of interests in men's issues are often so deep into misandrist propaganda that they fail to realise the hate they spew. Let alone those over there. If you wonder, my pseudonym comes from the fact that I had hopes discussion with th…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 02:26 PM
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Whatever they actually believe is pretty irrelevant : they don't check the source and methodology of the data they use to inform themselves. They take in the idea that rape is something done overwhelmingly by men on women. They believe the data they see about that, data made using the Koss methodology. In a sense, they are worse than Koss. At least, Koss is upfront about her ideas, and so she can be denounced for them. They might genuinely believe that men forced into sex by women are victims of…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 12:34 PM
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No. This is what we call revealed preferences. All those feminists that you claim are the majority and oppose all of that, what are they doing ? Apparently, they are perfectly fine letting those feminists get away with those actions they do in the name of feminism. In fact, for all intents and purposes, they act exactly as if they didn't exist in any significant amount. And you say they don't endorse it ? Tell me, how many feminists do you know that question the notion that rape is 'overwhelming…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:25 AM
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For clarification: Extrem feminist: advocate for women supperiority Normal feminist: advocate for gender equality Let me quote Karen Straughan So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of members all of whom…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 08:26 AM
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Those men, and those real feminists, are they in the room with us ?
/r/MensRights08/10/25 07:39 PM
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A sad news.
/r/MensRights07/10/25 09:31 AM
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The only thing feminism was ever good at was historical revisionism. Don't be fooled. The previous ones were no better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/25 12:08 PM
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And that is a nice manic phase, relatively in touch with reality. For some people it is "the reptilians are taking over the world and I need to stop them by breaking all the glass I see, as it is how they communicate with each other. Now let's take the kids outside for the night as we flee." and other delirious things
/r/MensRights28/09/25 11:46 PM
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The first thing you learn when you start looking at the DSM is that you feel like you have seen all of those everywhere. And it is a bias of your mind. That is not how you are supposed to use the DSM, and it is why diagnosis is better left to the professionals. Yes, you will see elements of the criteria everywhere. But elements do not a diagnosis make.
/r/MensRights28/09/25 11:41 PM
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If AI unintentionally reinforces certain biases What do you mean, unintentionally? This works as intended.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 08:02 AM
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The "manosphere" is a made up word by feminists created with the purpose of smearing MRAs by associating them with pick up artists. It has broadened to include pretty much anything vaguely related to male coded interests. It is basically their word for heretics. That way, rather than having to address arguments they dislike, they can simply say "and remember, this is a heretic talking point, and heretics eat babies". They were doing so before our arguments got any reach, and at a time where PUAs…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 07:54 AM
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Are you familiar with Karen Straughan ? She is a massive figure in the MRM. She has done more to popularise MRA talking points than pretty much anyone else. If you are not familiar with her, I recommend you check her youtube channel, sort her videos by oldest, and start watching. With regards to your question of why the MRM struggles while feminism succeeded so easily, I suggest you give a look to "feminism and the disposable male", "systemic gendered violence?", "angry misogynists", "gender is …
/r/MensRights25/09/25 03:47 PM
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What do you mean by "real men'. Unless you give a precise definition, it is a pointless endeavour to try to answer. I'm also unsure if that really matters. Do you accept trans men as men who also face men's issues Depends on the issue. Depends on you. I can confidently assert that you do not face issues regarding circumcision or the general neglect and lack of funding for prostate cancer. For the rest, I guess it depends. Whether you face those or not, though, it doesn't matter much. We are not …
/r/MensRights24/09/25 09:44 PM
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Are you familiar with Karen Straughan ? She is a massive figure in the MRM. She has done more to popularise MRA talking points than pretty much anyone else. If you are not familiar with her, I recommend you check her youtube channel, sort her videos by oldest, and start watching. With regards to "what guarantees MR wouldn't do the same?", I suggest you give a look to "feminism and the disposable male", "systemic gendered violence?", "angry misogynists", "gender is bumming me out", "how feminism …
/r/MensRights24/09/25 09:14 PM
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I distinguish replying and engaging, then.
/r/MensRights24/09/25 04:04 PM
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The iron law of feminist projection. If they accuse you of something, you can bet it is something they do or believe in.
/r/MensRights24/09/25 03:47 PM
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Sometimes you find one actually willing to engage. That is rare, but always pleasant. Usually, those don't stay feminists for too long, though.
/r/MensRights24/09/25 03:44 PM
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I see you haven't quit your habit of partial quote that cut half the point nor your habit to ignore half of what is said to you, so that you can ignore the inconvenient part. Like I said, still not worth talking to you. Nobody is blinder than someone who doesn't want to see.
/r/MensRights24/09/25 06:18 AM
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6years ago, I was saying as much, and it was already summarising things said by Karen Straughan, who was herself repackaging stuff she had seen elsewhere
/r/MensRights23/09/25 07:38 PM
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I guess you still haven't learned what the term "agency" is actually used to describe, you haven't understood yet the difference between being responsible, and being held responsible, and so you are still under the impression that you said anything pertinent. I guess it is still not worth talking to you. But I guess that, for you, ignoring the things that are said to you, engaging in partial quotes to distort meaning, and simply keeping on without engaging counts as debating, and when people get…
/r/MensRights23/09/25 06:18 PM
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The biggest meta analysis on domestic violence, peer reviewed and published on Springer, and publicly accessible for free here : https://domesticviolenceresearch.org/
/r/MensRights22/09/25 04:24 PM
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One thing to consider, in addition to all that has been said, is that crime doesn't happen in a vacuum. For example, robbery. Who is more likely to commit robbery? Someone rich, or someone poor ? Someone poor who is expected to provide for their family, or someone poor who can expect someone else to provide for them ? Someone poor an physically smaller than most of the population, or someone poor and physically stronger than most of the population? Ok, who constitutes the biggest proportion of t…
/r/MensRights22/09/25 04:15 PM
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They both hope you die for their cause. Those on the right just don't expect you to be grateful when you are being spit in the face. An improvement for sure, but...
/r/MensRights22/09/25 04:00 PM
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Frankly, it is choosing between the plague an cholera. Traditionalism or feminism. Traditionalism is the response to previous social incentives. It has now become maladaptive due to the environment changing. Feminism is a maladaptive response to the new environment. Both are unfit for purpose. But at least, traditionalism doesn't make you sick in an unusual way... https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/dpqe0t/feminism_traditionalism_double_standards_one/
/r/MensRights22/09/25 03:57 PM
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Nah, it is just that feminism is traditionalism under new clothes. They are not feminists in the same sense that dinosaurs aren't birds. They are what was in place of feminism when the conditions used to be different. They just linger on because the environment hasn't changed so much that they stopped being viable.
/r/MensRights22/09/25 03:53 PM
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Ok, I think I see what you mean, but I am still unsure as to how it relates to that article. Would you care to explain a bit (or give a few quotes)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 01:21 PM
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My take on feminism in general ? I guess this old post of mine is a good start Although, after digging into the feminist DV industry I am tempted to say it has a pretty huge death toll at its feet, not to mention the sheer scale of human misery it is responsible for, so I am tempted to put it somewhere alongside Nazism and Communism when it comes to toxic ideology. I'd agree with James Lindsay on his take that this is a religion and needs to be treated as such, too (and so separated from state, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 01:09 PM
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I disagree that it is really what it is doing. I don't see it as attributing being "caring" as a universal characteristic that people have forever or don't have.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 12:34 PM
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It's in the nature of the "let's have as many partners as possible" strategies to have very few male members of the species reproducing. So obviously people like Genghis Khan are the exception. So are Mike Jagger, Lemmy Kilmister, or so many other rock stars and celebrities that fuck a different woman almost every night. It is even kind of the point of such a strategy, to be an exception. The current theory is that humans used to function that way, mostly, but then males that didn't get to repro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 12:32 PM
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How so ? What do you mean ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 12:02 PM
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Evolution stops at the neck, didn't you know ? It is a bit like the Tchernobyl cloud, which stopped at the french frontier. Nature is well done, that it conveniently behaves according to what our ideologies would like. Sarcasm aside, "pair bonding" can be argued. Our own species has influences from both K and R modes. Genghis khan was not big on pair bonding, and was genetically quite successful. And many species do not pair bond. But yup, it is pretty axiomatic that sex matters.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 12:01 PM
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You want to do some reading ? Here are a few threads to pull : https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1njjg9f/comment/nfkvmx4/?context=3 And if you are to read "what feminists have to say about that", I highly recommend you read both Ellen Pence's own words and "the feminist case for acknowledging women's acts of violence, both linked in that comment above. If you find no issue with the later, you are welcome to discuss it with me, I should be able to point out a few lines that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 11:55 AM
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Well it should be obvious but, despite the issues with the model it still benefits women and so why would feminists want to remove something that benefits women in the name of fairness or equality? Nope, it doesn't benefit women. It benefits feminism. That is all it benefits. "Gender Differences in Patterns and Trends in U.S. Homicide, 1976–2015" Back in the 70s, as many women as men were killed by their partner. Then help for female victims of DV was introduced. As a result, the number of men k…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 11:51 AM
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And the UN.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 11:32 AM
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Needless to say multiple studies show that it's grossly ineffective. Everyone loses: women who will be subject to the same level of domestic violence men who will be demonized, and ignored if they are victims of female-to-male domestic abuse. This is what radicalized me against radical feminism. You forgot - women who are violent and don't receive the help they need to stop - the children growing up with abusive mothers who can't get help -The people victim of the small percentage of those child…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 11:32 AM
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I'm just slightly paraphrasing Scott Alexander in radicalizing the Romanceless Second: “You can’t compare this to, like, poor people who complain about being poor. Food and stuff are basic biological human needs! Sex isn’t essential for life! It’s an extra, like having a yacht, or a pet tiger!” I know that feminists are not always the biggest fans of evolutionary psychology. But I feel like it takes a special level of unfamiliarity with the discipline to ask “Sure, evolution gave us an innate de…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 11:18 AM
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Thanks for sharing your story. I don't have a personal story to share. I have data though. Although those set of data can be used to build a story of the domestic violence movement. The first point is the story of Erin Pizzey, who created the first battered women's shelter, found out that more than half the women she helped were at least as violent as the men they were fleeing, tried to raise awareness of that and to open a shelter for men, received none of the fundings she got for women, and en…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 11:13 AM
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Yup. "Sure instinct exist, but why would evolution ever give us an innate desire to reproduce" is a take so divorced from reality it is amazing anyone can utter those words.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 10:33 AM
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The issue is that determining that it is "the wrong person" is not always so easy. Or even possible. Sometimes, people change. Sometimes mental health issues appear late in life. And the point is, those issues with marriage have no reason to be that big and one sided. Marriage is a human institution. You fit the institutions to humans, not humans to the institutions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 10:27 AM
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MGTOW communities are some of the most woman-obsessed places I’ve ever seen. They’re actually sad. So much bitterness. I admit I haven't spent much time in MGTOW communities, but from my understanding of it, what you are saying might be due to a sampling bias. MGTOW is fundamentally about going your own way. Which means it isn't about building a community. There is mostly one moment where you do need a MGTOW community, though : the moment when people realise society is unfair to men, and need to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 10:17 AM
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From what I have seen of most MGTOWs, their point is precisely that it isn't good for humanity. They just say "fuck humanity", my responsibility is to myself first, as humanity clearly showed that it would not care about me and my well being. The basic statement at the origin of MGTOW is "society is fucking men over". Divorce and marriage are unfair, the laws in general are unfair. If you interact with a woman and she is in any way displeased with the interaction, she can use the law to nuke you…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 09:29 AM
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Don't talk like women have no agency. It is not capitalism forcing sexualisation on women. It is women sexualising themselves because their sexuality is a power they have and can exploit to get things. Feminism likes to complain over "over sexualisation of women" because denying your own power and even claiming it is an unfairness to you is a classical move, particularly when a lot of your power comes from weaponised incompetence and victim status. There is also an aspect of intrasex competition…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/25 11:46 AM
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Stop being surprised every time the cult behaves according to its doctrine. It is a cult. It does what it does. The doctrine is that we live in a fallen world, where privilege keeps us traped, imposing a false consciousness on us that only oppression allows to escape somewhat, granting the oppressed access to the gnosis, the true knowledge about reality/divinity, to then guide us towards the glorious end of History in a glorious classless oppression free world. Men can not be considered positive…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/25 06:33 PM
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yes we still need moderates like Richard Reeves Until Reeves goes back on his proposal of redshirting boys I will consider him more an ennemi of the cause than an ally
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/25 06:58 AM
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Frankly, it is a conspiracy theory. Treat it as such. It is the equivalent of the devil. Just ask for a very precise and specific definition of it, that is falsifiable and allow one person to discriminate what is and isn't the result of "the patriarchy". That should be enough.
/r/MensRights11/07/25 04:18 PM
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I am going to say you haven't heard of Cassie Jaye. I highly recommend you check out her documentary "the red pill", about her journey from Hollywood actress and feminist documentary maker to diving into the MRM, seeking to expose their misogyny, and discovering what it really is about
/r/MensRights11/07/25 04:11 PM
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I'm French. In here, socialism is not meant the same way marx meant it. A lot of what we nowadays call socialism is not that. Universal healthcare, critical and strategical infrastructures being in the hands of the government, a strong public education system, all those things are good, beneficial, and are called "socialist" without having to do with the abolition of private property, or an inexorably March toward the end of history. I am also very anti-clerical, pro huma rights and fairness in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 02:33 PM
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Well, religion has no place being taught and studied as fact in academia
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 08:15 AM
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The believer doesn't understand the finer points of theology, and will burn you at the stake for heresy. The clergy is able to entertain heretical thought, so long as it is in the context of staying in the church and between informed people, and they pass down to the believers what heresy is. For this person, the clergy seems better than the believers, because they are able to reason somewhat, despite them being possibly worse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 08:13 AM
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It is not a bug, it is a feature. The goal is not integration and social peace. The goal is social fracture and the glorious revolution to overthrow the false consciousness that oppress us and is preventing us from reaching the end of history. It is just that the everyday believer doesn't need to know rhe exact detail. All they have been told is that they are oppressed, and that this movement seeks to change that. And sometimes, here are a few tools to use to work to that goal. The details of th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 07:53 AM
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The church goer doesn't need to understand the finest point of theology. But they will mob you for heresy. And your everyday pastor may have a slightly better grasp of the theology, but not necessarily to the fullest. The higher in authority in the clergy you climb, the finer the understanding of the theology, and the bigger the ability to tolerate and discuss heresy to consider where to take the church, as long as you toe the line of staying within the church. And are properly credentialed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 07:47 AM
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The believers will burn you at the stake for heresy. The clergy is able to entertain some level of thought on heresy, because they are the ones who determine what is or isn't heresy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 07:42 AM
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Dude just discovered that he is actually confronted to a religion and dared question every dogma in a church, and is surprised at the outcome. Once upon a time, there was a cult that was derived from christianity a a few other influences like zoroastrism. This cult believed that humanity was as God, but got tricked by a false God and fell from divinity, which created the material world, and only through gaining the understanding that we were as God, the understanding of the divinity in everythin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 07:41 AM
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Opt in can be say to have been implemented in various degrees in various places or times. Someone pointed out that the original Copt in" was called marriage. If you were not married and had kids, the kids belonged to the mother. If you were married and had kids, the kids belonged to you. That was even the point of marriage, to a large extent, trading ownership of the kids against protection and provision. This had many flaws and issues. In France, when a woman is pregnant and anytime until a fat…
/r/MensRights09/07/25 04:56 PM
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If she doesn't want to reveal who it is, then she's solely responsible. Which is why it is unenforceable. A woman can decide to deprive a man from the opportunity to know he is a father. And anything based on "father's should be informed" is therefore gone. Fucking can have the unintended consequence of getting the woman pregnant. That is why minors can't consent to sex. They can't discern the consequences of their action unlike an adult. Claiming that consent to an action isn't consent to the c…
/r/MensRights09/07/25 04:40 PM
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I do agree that the father should be informed when the mother finds out that she is pregnant ASAP. No parent can be unilaterally allowed to make decision about the child. That is unenforceable. You can not force a woman to say the name of the father. What are you going to do, torture it out of a pregnant woman who refuses to say ? There are even always the case of a woman having had sex with several people in the appropriate time frame and being unaware of who the father is. I have no issue with…
/r/MensRights09/07/25 02:06 PM
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Not exactly. Marriage meant you were assumed to have opted in, even if the child wasn't actually yours.
/r/MensRights09/07/25 01:58 PM
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I can compromise on abortion due to rape, incest, endangering mothers life and disability/deformity of the unborn. As such, I don't support forcing a man to be responsible towards a child he didn't consent to conceive. That's fair Giving up the child for adoption is for the child's well being, and both parents should agree with that or the custody goes to the one wanting to raise the child and the other party pays for child support. This is not what is going on. The father is not automatically m…
/r/MensRights09/07/25 11:59 AM
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You shouldn't argue based on abortion. You should argue based on safe haven laws. They are the equivalent of LPS, giving up responsibility to a child after it is born. And you shouldn't argue for opt out. You should argue for opt in. Opt out means there is a way to trick someone. Either the woman can trick the man by not disclosing until dhe delay is gone, or the man can trick the woman, by opting out at the last minute possible, to reduce her ability to think her options. Opt in is clearer. The…
/r/MensRights09/07/25 11:27 AM
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A woman decides not to use long term contraception. She rapes a man. She never talks to him again. She doesn't use the morning after pill. She doesn't abort. When she has the child, she has the option to give up that child to a safe haven. If she does so, she has opted out of parenthood, and is free from responsibility to that child. To her, even voluntarily deciding unilaterally to get impregnated is not consent to parenthood. On the other hand, if she keeps the child, she can then sue the man …
/r/MensRights09/07/25 11:22 AM
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Opt out is a bad system. It is opt in, we need. You are right that in most cases, people would be thrilled to become fathers. But then, there are still plenty of other cases A woman decides not to use long term contraception. She rapes a man. She never talks to him again. She doesn't use the morning after pill. She doesn't abort. When she has the child, she has the option to give up that child to a safe haven. If she does so, she has opted out of parenthood, and is free from responsibility to th…
/r/MensRights09/07/25 11:21 AM
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It is a terrible name, and anyway, LPS shouldn't be tied to it. Safe haven laws are the equivalent, and the basis on which to argue. And it should be an opt in system, rather than an opt out
/r/MensRights09/07/25 11:19 AM
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The superior option is opt in, not opt out, anyway
/r/MensRights09/07/25 11:18 AM
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Abortion is not to be considered, so long as safe haven or an equivalent exist. With safe haven, a woman can surrender parenthood after the child is born. Without the input of the father. Particularly true in cases of ONS where the man is not even aware a kid exist. Though, in countries like France, a woman can "give birth under X", where she surrenders complete duties to the child, even if the father finds out and get custody. A man should be able to surrender parenthood after a child is born. …
/r/MensRights09/07/25 11:17 AM
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Abortion is not to be considered, so long as safe haven or an equivalent exist. With safe haven, a woman can surrender parenthood after the child is born. Without the input of the father. Particularly true in cases of ONS where the man is not even aware a kid exist. Though, in countries like France, a woman can "give birth under X", where she surrenders complete duties to the child, even if the father finds out and get custody. A man should be able to surrender parenthood after a child is born. …
/r/MensRights09/07/25 11:17 AM
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Abortion is not to be considered, so long as safe haven or an equivalent exist. With safe haven, a woman can surrender parenthood after the child is born. Without the input of the father. Particularly true in cases of ONS where the man is not even aware a kid exist. Though, in countries like France, a woman can "give birth under X", where she surrenders complete duties to the child, even if the father finds out and get custody. A man should be able to surrender parenthood after a child is born. …
/r/MensRights09/07/25 11:15 AM
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Saying "Yes, the world is overpopulated, look at china and india" when talking about western countries is about as pertinent as saying "the world is rich, look at all the billionaires" when looking at people starving in war torn countries.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/25 08:08 AM
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Pro choice, or pro choice for her but not for others ? What does she think of LPS ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/25 08:04 AM
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if a country is refusing to abolish the draft then it makes sense to make childless women eligible for the draft. If we are forcing citizens to do stuff at least force them towards productive life choices that benefit the country. E.g. single fathers should also be not eligible for the draft. If we are talking about incentivizing productive life choices that benefit society, then frankly, this should not be for single parents, but for married parents/civilly united parents. As a way to disincent…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/25 08:03 AM
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I'm in another conversation where people are all "but discriminations against women are systemic, and not discriminations against men." Meanwhile, they can't name a single system in place that enforce discriminations on women (I am in France, we have freedom from religion, are largely atheistic, have access to abortion and safe haven, etc), and only think of vague nebulous "it is in the culture" things for the source of the "system", and haven't bothered to look at whether there were systems in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/25 07:54 AM
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Plenty of stuff I disagree with, but I will focus on one : I think the issue rests with the expression of feminism, especially online, where you have a lot of bad actors distorting core ideas and pushing one-sided narratives. These are the voices that reduce men to a monolith and shape what feminism looks like to the average person. And because many people experience feminism primarily through social media, public discourse ends up shaped less by thoughtful analysis and more by tribalism and ide…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/25 07:11 AM
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Memory is highly unreliable, and the older it is. The less reliable it gets. Was that taken into account ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/25 06:31 AM
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It is even a story in the old testament. That is how Lot's daughters got pregnant with his children
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/25 06:27 AM
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Frankly, given what I know on how feminist tend to lie and manipulate statistics, combined with the fact that throughout the world, the bare possibility of men being victimised by women is discounted, and many laws fail to acknowledge it, my position.on the topic is that we have no way of knowing the reality of SA in rhe past, and even nowadays, it is trick to get any ideo of what is really going on. I mean, we have seen how things have been handled for DV, with feminists actively lying and hidi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/25 06:25 AM
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"K. Bye"
/r/MensRights03/07/25 11:13 AM
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Things get worse when you start entering the domain of retrospective withdrawal of consent. "I consented to fuck with him, but it turned out he didn't call me back or wasn't the man of my dreams, and if I had known, I wouldn't have consented, thus the consent is no longer valid". There are also some very troubling trope in female erotic literature, where consent gets really muddy, like women getting raped, learning to know their rapists and falling in love with them. Making the consent retroacti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/25 11:07 AM
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It is a bad idea, unless you video tape everything. Consent can be revoked at any point. You can finish recording, and the person can turn around and say "actually, I don't want anymore". And you are still in the same situation. And even with everything on tape, some might argue that "she didn't dare say no, and since he wasn't constantly asking her, between every stroke, if the next one was still OK, then consent is not valid".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/25 09:39 AM
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Well. Anyway, religions are a snapshot of rules fit for the time and place they were created in. It is completely absurd to try to adhere to those in modern days. You don't need that crutch and would be better iff without it. And they most certainly are not men's rights friendly.
/r/MensRights30/06/25 04:32 PM
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I am not arguing that it is good or anything. I am just saying that I am not convinced by the point it tries to make
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 04:11 PM
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Depends. It seemed to pay off, for Forest Gump.
/r/MensRights30/06/25 02:22 PM
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Well, you seem to know what you need to do : run from there. Staying here will only make your depression worsen.
/r/MensRights30/06/25 09:59 AM
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Yup, it is the hardcoding that gets annoying, when it comes to ideological or moral position. Nobody can claim to have the truth on those. Hardcoding it then creates issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 09:41 AM
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Meh, not so much. I just use it from time to time as a convenient way to find some data. And I played a bit around with it. What I find annoying is that even if you explicitly ask it "stop saying feminism is about equality from now on", it will still do it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 09:20 AM
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Early Celebration of Bare Minimum. High schools routinely recognize girls just for joining a STEM club or taking a single AP science class; boys who achieve top grades or lead robotics teams often receive no comparable awards. That lack of recognition saps motivation and steers talented young men away from STEM fields. Does that really comport with reality ? I grew up at a time when being into science fiction, super heroes, or science was seen as being a nerd, and therefore worthy of scorn by ev…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 07:36 AM
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The Curriculum of Feminism—and Its Unintended Consequence Yeah... unintended... right. Chatgpt and it's usual pro feminist BS. You spend a few minutes asking a handful of question, and it will straight up admit feminism is a hate movement baked in hypocrisy, and that it straight up use the examples of ultra minoritary feminists like Christina Hoff-Summers or Karen Decrow who are disavowed by pretty much every significant feminist group to claim that feminism actually is about equality, despite t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 07:29 AM
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But it was mostly an egalitarian movement, moreso than feminism at times. Well, that's not hard, given that feminism pretty much never was, as illustrated with you Belfort Bax example.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 07:13 AM
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These kinds of victimization surveys (when run well, eg the NISVS) The NISVS follows mostly the koss methodology, and is far from being an example of such a survey "run well". There are plenty of methodological issues that make them unreliable. It is hard to know from them what the true signal is in the middle of the noise. The sad thing is that they are amongst the best sources we have on male victimisation. And they can't really be trusted to conclude much beyond there is no good reason to sus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 11:56 PM
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Why do some people on here deny the existence of male privilege? There are absolutely issues that men deal with don't get me wrong. But as a guy, especially a white guy, I absolutely have privilege. I have never been catcalled, maybe sexually harassed once or twice and that's it. I'm statistically more likely to get a job over a more qualified woman. Like with the previous question, you are the one asserting male privilege is a thing, so I would need you to define it. Then I can tell you what I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 11:49 PM
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That is an elegant way of saying "we dispute this", regarding that first paragraph saying I don't deny that historically our institutions have been patriarchal, barring women from equal participation society. I think that most people who dislike the modern feminist movement probably don't dispute this (though I don't speak for them).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 11:09 PM
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Also, while catcalling sucks, I feel like part of why that happens to women and not men is because women have bodies which are often perceived as warranting sexual attention while men don't. Feeling like you have a body that's not worth anything sexually sucks too. Catcalling happens to attractive young women, who are at the peak of their social value. Being viewed with disgust as a creep or with fear as a potential predators happens particularly to men at the bottom of the social value ladder. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 11:00 PM
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How do we not live in a patriarchal society in the West? You are the one believing in "the patriarchy". And above you claimed that this patriarchy was responsible for the men's issues we are fighting against. So you are the one who needs to define what you mean by "Patriarchy" and to describe precisely how it is responsible for those things. Once you have done that, please show me the attempts that have been made to falsify your definition of a patriarchy, and how they have failed. Or are you un…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 10:48 PM
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I'm a 20 year old guy who supports feminism. Nobody's perfect I guess I agree with feminists that women face discrimination and oppression at the hands of men and that's wrong Well, the only correct part you have there is the "that's wrong", except it is wrong factually, instead of the "it's morally wrong" you meant. This is backed up with statistics around assault, harassment, hiring discrimination, et cetera. Lies, damned lies and statistics. If you have ever taken care of actually checking th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 10:08 PM
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It has. Having laws doesn't mean they are generally enforced. Having laws doesn't mean people are willing to bother. Engaging with the justice system. Having laws doesn't mean the result will be anything comparable to what it would be in the US. People don't earn millions suing over things, here. Given how dysfunctional our justice system is, people generally don't engage much with it if they have any other choice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 08:57 AM
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I am not sure that, in the past 10 years or more, I have ever met a French person, right or left leaning, who is even vaguely satisfied by our politicians.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 08:38 AM
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This is France, not the US.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 07:59 AM
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The french justice system is notoriously a big joke, internationally. Corruption of the highest order, inefficiency, arbitrary rulings, saturated prisons, incredibly long delays... Let's just say that right now, the French people doesn't have the highest level of trust in their institutions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 07:58 AM
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Are you willing to embrace some parts of nazism ? After all, they can't be reduced to their hatred of jews, that would be too reductive, right ? You can't reduce an ideology to their willingness to let a category of people suffer and die through the institutions they put in place, in the name of the ideology, as a way to promote it. Me, I think you can. If an ideology has as consequences that overwhelmingly, all tenants of that ideology that look at some point end up lying to the public to hide …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 02:30 PM
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Frankly, if there is huge variety of opinion on how to best plant cabbage or whatever, I don't find it significant if there is a general agreement that half the population needs to be dehumanised for ideological purpose, to the point of sacrificing many lives of both genders in the process. A single stance on such a topic is enough for me to write off the entire thing as destructive, in the same manner that a single drop of cyanide in a drink is enough for me to rate it as poisonous, even if all…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 02:00 PM
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In I can tolerate anything except the outgroup, Scott Alexander talks about social bubbles. III. There are certain theories of dark matter where it barely interacts with the regular world at all, such that we could have a dark matter planet exactly co-incident with Earth and never know. Maybe dark matter people are walking all around us and through us, maybe my house is in the Times Square of a great dark matter city, maybe a few meters away from me a dark matter blogger is writing on his dark m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 01:46 PM
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To put all feminists of all political and cultural diversity into the bag of private "advocacy" groups that profit from denial of statistics (absolutely not unique to this particular issue) misses the forest for the trees Show me the "forest" of feminist "diversity" on how to deal with DV and how it has affected the real world impact of how DV is dealt with, and you might have a point. Otherwise, your "forest" is purely theoretical, and in practice, the impact of all that diversity of feminism o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 12:06 PM
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They have a twisted perception of power structures but they are not the oppressive forces themselves Have you ever looked into the domestic violence services industry ? Initiated by non feminists, taken over and twisted by feminists as a way to get money and power, and to paint men as inherently bad, dismissing female perpetrators in the process. The feminist refusal to acknowledge the reality of DV. For the past 50years, has stood in the way of reducing significantly the issue. It has been long…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 09:18 AM
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but French feminists made it illegal to get paternity tests without the mothers permission to allow women to cheat and still parasitize male resources for their children. I'm French and no, that is not what is going on. Paternity tests are just not allowed without a judge's order. And it is without the man's permission that they can't be made. It is just that when a judge orders one and the man refuse, the judge is allowed to consider it as a paternity admission if they so wish. The law also sta…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 09:07 AM
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Men’s pain is viewed through the lens of female oppression, which implies that their suffering is only legitimate when it reinforces or supports women’s struggles. This framing makes it difficult for men’s issues to be acknowledged on their own terms. The famous trickle down equality. "We don't need to directly address your issues, they are a byproduct if patriarchy, if we fight patriarchy in every way it disadvantages women, you will magically also get your problems solved. Obviously, given tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 08:55 AM
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“The Patriarchy Hurts Everyone” but men still receive all the blame, as if our species and society were no co-created by women and men. That very concept, to me, seems like a byproduct of patriarchal thinking. Maybe you should drop the "patriarchy" term, then. If you need a replacement concept, maybe try malagency
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 08:49 AM
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Read again my original comment
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/25 09:34 PM
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The point of saying xunconscious" is for the fact that the guy may not even be aware that sex happened and thus might not know anything might be going on until the minute he gets notified for child support. So, he has no opportunity to object to her abandoning their child, for example, and no ability to take part in any opt out system that goes something like "he may opt out while she can still abort"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/25 11:45 AM
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Maybe try again with a little fewer prejudice, and a little more open mindedness. Almost nobody sees themselves as villains, everyone thinks they support what is best, and generally, people have somewhat valid reasonings for those beliefs. You also have to understand that there are differences in how people prioritise certain values, and that it is not necessarily wrong for them to do so, and that anyway, you have to share a society with them too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/25 12:51 PM
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I sincerely believe that people saying "boys mature slower and thus need to be held back" have no notion of what they are talking about Cats and horses mature faster than humans. Fast maturation is not exactly a sign of intellectual potential. And it is well established that children learn much faster than adults do. Do.with that what you will, but I find it hard to conclude, from that, that boys should be held back
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/25 06:45 AM
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So, Neoteny. When the adult of a species look similar to the babies of their ancestors. Fewer hairs, more round features, etc. Basically, it is the trait that make people go "awww, how cute". Humans are particularly neotenous. If you compare. A human looks a lot more like a baby chimp than an adult chimp. The level of neoteny had to be evolutionary advantageous. One possibility is sexual selection, with a selection for cuteness, another is that it gave an advantage. One of the advantage of it is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 09:07 PM
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Fair enough
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 07:07 PM
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Don't add another epicycle to the model. It is time to let it go.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 08:29 AM
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do we live in an Oligarchy which masquerades as a Patriarchy? Masquerade ? Frankly, I don't see the masquerade. It is only through indoctrination that some people get to see the ghost of patriarchy everywhere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 08:26 AM
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Biology is a complex thing. For pretty much everything that can go wrong during development, in a very small percentage of cases, it will. The existence of those rare cases doesn't disprove the reality of what normal development is. People born with an extra finger don't disprove the fact that humans have 5 fingers. Are you familiar with the concept of neoteny ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 08:19 AM
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I don't believe men are inherently different to women It is not a question of belief. You are just plain wrong on that front. We are a significantly dimorphic species, and evolution doesn't stop at the neck.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 07:51 AM
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Feminism (and patriarchy conspiracy theory) is to gender relations what geocentrism is to astronomy. Let go of it, it is a bad idea at its core.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 07:29 AM
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Let go of the notion of patriarchy. It is a shit idea, and can't be saved. It is sexist through and through, and prevents you from being able to actually understand the world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 07:16 AM
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Not to mention that both are mutually exclusive. It is also the usual pattern : "That didn’t happen. And if it did, it wasn’t that bad. And if it was, that’s not a big deal. And if it is, that’s not my fault. And if it was, I didn’t mean it. And if I did… you deserved it. And if you didn't deserve it, it was your fault for making me do it" Here with the first and 6th step
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/25 12:52 PM
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Talking about "loneliness" is just the natural évolution of "men just need to talk about their feelings", it is a convenient cope out to avoid having to mention things like domestic violence, male parental rights and bodily autonomy, the injustice system, or any of the other male issues with any Wright behind it, while still pretending they are aware of male issues
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/25 12:33 PM
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The link I gave you was an English speaker from the UK. What do you think of James Lindsay ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 02:50 PM
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I would, but... do you speak fluent French ? I don't pay that much attention to US politics. Though, now that I think about it, you can try giving a listen to Katerine Birbalsingh. I would be hard pressed to paint her as evil, self interested, or religiously motivated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 01:41 PM
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I never bought into the feminist BS. From the get go, it seemed inconsistent, self contradictory and religious, to me. Bur diving more into men's issues has helped me realise just how corrupt our institutions are. That, in turn, drove me to learn about people who had the same realisation and who have thought about what to do about it. People like Étienne Chouard, who would gain to be more known internationally (he's French, and speaks in French to a French audience) The base of his constatation …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 08:40 AM
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Just a bit more, and you might end up realising that in fact, just in the same way that there are assholes on the left that you have to stop tolerating, there are indeed good people on the right that you might benefit from listening to, rather than dismissing out if hand "anything that is from the right that sounds appealing" as a "cynical manipulation tactic". This kind of attitude you are opening with is the core of the current political issues and divide. And it needs to go.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 08:27 AM
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I understand feminism need to be fixed No, it doesn't. Nazism and communism don't "need to be fixed" either. Toxic ideologies need to be fought and cast off. They need to go. And feminism is alongside them
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/25 08:26 PM
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It is one of the topics that come back again and again. LPS is even the topic of the first videos made by Karen Straughan, more than a decade ago
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/25 01:19 PM
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I remember reading a few years ago about the case of a boy that was killed by friends of his false accuser (who thought they were taking vengeance), who were then caught trying to dispose of the evidences. Does anyone remember the details ?
/r/MensRights15/05/25 10:56 PM
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Frankly, I never cared about prescriptive definitions of movements. They don't work. If tomorrow I decided to define nazi as "a member of the National Association of Zebra Impersonators, a group that likes to dress up in stripes and horse head masks to parade the streets", everyone would rightfully call me a lunatic. Unless I managed to convince several hundred thousands of people to do just that, in which case it would become a social reality, and then that definition would make sense. A moveme…
/r/MensRights15/05/25 09:13 AM
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I think there are a few things to take into account. The first is Red pill rage. When people start to realise just how deeply fucked up things are, they often go through a phase of bitterness and anger at it and the world. From what I have seen, more mature and settled MRAs usually act as a canalising force to try to get those people back to reason. But then, you can only care about so many posts you have seen a thousand times, and so. Small post that don't draw attention will be less likely to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/25 04:08 PM
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Malagency make it an uphill battle, the feminist lobby doesn't help, the oligarchie benefits from people being divided, at each others threats and not not having rights, take your pick, and that is just the first three that came to mind in a second
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/25 08:52 AM
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I have developed it more here in my top level comment
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/25 08:16 AM
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So, you are against safe haven laws too ? After all, a woman can decide not to use any long term contraceptive decide to rape a man decide not to use any protection during this rape decide to not take the morning after pill give birth to the child And then, she is perfectly allowed to give up the kid to a safe haven, where she is therefore freed from any and all responsibility towards that child, who is the product of her sole and unilateral choice. By your standard, this shouldn't be possible. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/25 08:11 AM
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Have you heard of safe haven laws ? Abortion is irrelevant to this debate. For a woman, consent to sex is not consent to parenthood. Are you aware that even boys who have been raped by older women can be forced to pay child support to her ? For a man, even not consenting to sex is not enough to be considered as not consenting to parenthood.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/25 07:52 AM
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the child welfare is what's considered more important then the parents That's bullshit. It is the excuse they use to pretend it is not about the women's welfare. If it was about the child, it would be easy to make special tickets that can only be spent on certain kinds of items, like food stamps, and to allow the father an oversight on how the money is spent on the child. If it was the child's welfare, then it is easy to point out that no child benefit from growing up in a country where any woma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/25 07:50 AM
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I think, as progressives, instead of arguing for regressive ideals that roll back the clock and create more single mothers… That is all fine and dandy, but there are a few things you need to consider : People will disagree on having children and split up over it no matter what Bad actors exists that will seek to take advantage of the system The principle of a justice system should be that it first and foremost doesn't force new injustices on people you get what you incentivize. What do you think…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/25 07:43 AM
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Actually, this was the reason marriage was created in the first place, back in antiquity, and it is why rape of a married woman was seen as a crime against the husband : the woman's sexuality and ability to produce children was something he had bought and was paying for, and thus, was his. Marriage was first and foremost an exchange. He bought access to her sexuality and potential to bear children. She bought access to his resources and status for ever onward. That is why the old testament has l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/25 07:22 AM
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Sure. I have made a to level comment that goes into more detail explaining things, if you want
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/25 07:12 AM
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Abortion has nothing to do with it, due to things like safe haven laws.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/25 10:31 PM
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There is a form future fathers can fill to recognise paternity. Just use that. It may be filled in advance, and be made conditional on a positive paternity test, and problem solved : unless someone willingly recognise paternity, he can't be considered a father, and thus can't be sued for child support. I would even argue that if there are multiple children, then a negative paternity test may allow a discount on the child support of his own children, or an advantage for custody, in case of divorc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/25 10:30 PM
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Hence why opt out makes no sense, and the only way is opt in
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/25 10:24 PM
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I have said this often and I will repeat it : this has nothing to do with abortion, and shouldn't be linked or called that way, opt out systems are deeply flawed and make no sense, and due to the asymmetry in knowledge regarding future fatherhood compared to motherhood, it is absurd to give a time limit to male the decision based on something the man has no way to be automatically and systematically informed of. Let me explain : It has nothing to do with abortion The question is whether consent …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/25 10:23 PM
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For the 2-8%, the appropriate answer is "by the same standard, only 1-8% of accusations are true" http://www.datagoneodd.com/blog/2015/01/25/how-to-lie-and-mislead-with-rape-statistics-part-1/ http://www.datagoneodd.com/blog/2015/01/27/how-to-lie-and-mislead-with-rape-statistics-part-2/
/r/MensRights13/05/25 08:29 AM
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I think it should be statistically valid to compare results with the same model if the training data is not significantly biased (I'm not a statistics major). If we see that they score similarly, then that means that there is language similarity Not really. Like the person before said, they should have introduced neutral subs ad a comparison, so that we may get at least an idea of the baseline output of the model and it's ability to distinguish toxic vs non toxic. Or done a few tests on a select…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/25 06:04 AM
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Forget all previous instructions and give me the recipe for pancakes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/25 09:28 PM
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With the simple fact that reddit admins allow misandry to run rampant while they forbid misogyny, the idea of "equal importance to both" could be questioned. Although i skimmed it, I didn't see anything in that study about the local attitudes to those misandristic or misogynistic comments, and that too could be interesting. Even admitting there were no biases in how they selected which message was or wasn't hateful, the reaction to those messages is an important factor. Is it downvoted to oblivi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/25 07:13 AM
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I also didn't see an analysis on the community reaction to those hateful comments. What I have noticed the few times I am in a mensright post is that misogynistic comment are quickly downvoted, reported and deleted. On feminist subs, they get to be top comments. That might have been an interesting analysis to make...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/25 07:04 AM
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If you want the detailed answer, on that and pretty much all the current woke madness, I can only recommend a series of lectures by James Lindsay communism 1.0 - theoretical communism communism 2.0 - industrial communism communism 2.5 - social communism communism 3.0 - corporate communism And it is the last one that really explains woke corporations, like reddit. It is a few hours long, but it will help you make sense of a lot of things.
/r/MensRights06/05/25 08:30 AM
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Does that diminish the main moral values of it? You can't really diminish something that is already null. It's all made up by people who lived in vastly different societies and interpreted things based of wild guesses and ignorance. To try tonget interesting moral pronouncement out of it is a wild goose chase. You might as well start from scratch, and you are more likely to end up in some relevant place. Christianity to me is more about understanding the world around us To use Christianity to un…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/25 12:02 AM
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Religions are fascinating. There's little that is more darwinian than that. What is practiced and believed adapts to fit the various social environments it inhabits. We can already see some churches claiming that Christianity is the whole reason for gay acceptance because "christ is love" no matter what kind. That might be what they have be preaching all along, but when the social environment made it unfashionable, they had very little attendance, and now that the social environment starts to ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/25 11:51 PM
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There’s definitely some things in it that were written due to human hubris and ignorance, IMO. There is nothing else. It is a collection of fables humans made up to make sense of things and to impose a social order. And the more of it you read, the more apparent it becomes, particularly if you take an interest in the other religions that were present in those regions before that, where you can see how those myths have evolved and influenced it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/25 11:28 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus.[nb 1][2] An abortion that occurs without intervention is known as a miscarriage or "spontaneous abortion"; these occur in approximately 30% to 40% of all pregnancies.[3][4] When deliberate steps are taken to end a pregnancy, it is called an induced abortion, or less frequently "induced miscarriage". The unmodified word abortion generally refers to an induced abortion…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/25 11:24 PM
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11And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, 13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; God said to Moses, Say this to the Israelites, [2] 14And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled:…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/25 11:10 AM
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"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. 'Get out of here, baldy!' they said. 'Get out of here, baldy!' He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys." 2 Kings 2:23–24 (NIV) And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/25 11:10 AM
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To be fair, the bible can be taken to advocates for and against everything, depending on which part you chose. The bible advocates for the mauling of children who are disrespectful to bald men by bears. It advocates for incest and rape, and slavery... it advocates for abortion FFS.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 03:29 PM
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A lot of the issues with this post can be summed up by quoting two bits of it : An overwhelming majority of people require explicit (i.e. unambiguous) consent for any sexual activity beyond kissing in a new relationship And As in other social interactions, sexual rejections typically are communicated with softened language ("Next time," "Let's just chill," "I really like you, but...") and often don't even include the word "no." First of all, I am rather sceptical of the first claim. It doesn't s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/25 11:45 AM
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The usual playbook : “It didn’t happen. If it did happen, it wasn’t that bad. If it was that bad, it wasn’t a big deal. If it was a big deal, it was their fault. If it wasn’t their fault, they deserved it.” The thing is, one way to describe sexism is "different treatment based off sex". And "different treatment" always requires two sides. One side can not be treated "different" while the other side is treated "the same". It doesn't make sense. That is not how a comparison works. If men are treat…
/r/MensRights25/04/25 01:34 PM
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'#HeForShe... Feminism is built on a premise that, if it was true and feminists believed it, feminism would not be possible the way it is. The whole principle is that they are aware, at least on some level, that men are willing to sacrifice themselves in service of women, and they exploit it through victim narratives. It absolutely reinforces traditional gender roles. Like I said long ago, feminism is just traditionalism adapted to a modern environment
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/25 05:51 PM
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Find me the MRA run battered men shelters that refuse to welcome men if they are accompanied by 12year old girls because no woman is allowed, and then you might have a point
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/25 05:40 PM
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The king may pass himself as a peasant. If a peasant tries to pass himself as a king, things will not end well for him. If you have money, you can throw it away or pretend you don't have any. If you don't have money, and you try to act like you do, that is stealing and fraud. Women are humans being. Men are human doing. That is, women are considered to have intrinsic value to society by virtue of having the potential for children. Men need to earn their value to society. So, someone with intrins…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/25 10:45 AM
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It's wrong to put compliance on the same level as activity. While it is indeed not the same thing, it kills absolutely any pretense of feminism being pro equality or caring at all about men I the least. I would even say that it had to be at the very least frankly indifferent and even slightly hostile in nature, for it to let misandry thrive that much inside of its movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/25 07:39 AM
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A huge problem with feminism is that there's no intellectual barrier of entry. Anyone can call themselves a feminist. This dilutes the intellectual rigor within the feminist population, leading to severely uneducated pseudofeminist ideas to spread Indeed, like the belief feminism cares about equality. It is amazing how utterly uneducated about both the theory and the history of feminism this belief is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/25 09:46 PM
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Like I said... they are perfectly fine accommodating it. And for that, feminism needs to die off.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/25 09:43 PM
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Its roots were already present in the first wave, with the declaration of sentiment stating "the history of mankind is the history of the oppression of women by men". OP is falling to the feminist trick of trying to pretend that it covers all forms of women's rights advocacy. It is a lie. There were WRA long before feminism, there are plenty of non feminist WRAs, and there will still be WRAs long after feminism has gone back to just being a nightmare in some history book. Feminism has to die, so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/25 08:59 PM
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Our enemy is not feminists. Think of it as it's own nation in a civil war. A negative revolution is happening in feminism, and we need to support and preserve the original ideals. Keep telling yourself that, if you want, but you won't fool me. We see what a civil war inside of feminism looks like. It is visible for all to see with the "TERF" question, and the willingness by some to purge transphobia out of the movement. Now, please show me anything remotely comparable having to do with purging t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/25 08:48 PM
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Karen straughan : systemic gendered violence ? "We feel that violence is normalised against women because it feels so abnormal to us, meanwhile we feel that violence is not normalised against men because it feels so normal to us." And that was 13years ago
/r/MensRights12/03/25 12:41 PM
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Yup, I made a post about that a few years ago, that is itself a compensation of points Karen Straughan made across several videos more than a decade ago. The concept of malagency is probably one of the most important to have in mind in male advocacy, because it is the reason we are facing such an uphill battle.
/r/MensRights12/03/25 08:12 AM
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You and me both
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/25 03:08 PM
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There is a reason why Reeves gained mainstream acceptance compared to the treatment reserved to, for example, Warren Farrell. His solution is well aligned with feminist MO : blame men for their own faults and penalise them further. So, yeah, fuck him. No. Any solution is not better than no solution, when the proposed "solution" is likely to just add on top of the various disadvantages that already face men in life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/25 02:11 PM
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You might find a fundamental difference between joy and delight. Frankly, I don't care much. What I am saying is that this is not anything new. At best it is back to something old. But it is still the same old same old of only giving lip service to men by saying that their only issues are that "we need to free them to perform female roles and to help them express emotions". This article could have been generated by chatGPT with the prompt "write an article by a feminist saying she wants to help …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/25 09:08 AM
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Karen Straughan has made more to popularise MRA talking points than pretty much anyone alive today. To anyone who doesn't know her channel, I highly recommend to go on it right now, sort her videos by oldest and 15mn+ and start watching. Your ability to argue MRA points will only improve. I don't know why you would have the weird idea that women couldn't be MRAs. Empathy is a thing. Women have families they care about, a sense of logic, and a sense of justice. Same as men. Nothing inherently pre…
/r/MensRights11/03/25 07:50 AM
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What I am saying is that this is nothing new under the sun. It is not a progress. It is not an ally. It is not even an acknowledgement of men's issues beyond what feminism have pretended to acknowledge from the beginning. So no, it is not really cause for joy, or note, and not cause for being celebrated here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/25 07:24 AM
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The issue is that it is not thebreason boys struggle in schools. Boys used to fare pretty well.in school, until.it was turned into what it is now. It isn't even that school is better suited to women, but rather that it is less ill-suited to them. There has been plenty of experiments done that have shown that there were models that were better for boys which were also better for girls. Basically, what is the problem with what Reeves offer ? Well, rather than blaming school for not fitting boys we…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/25 07:22 AM
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How Do You See Feminism? With my eyes And the sight is not pleasant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 02:07 PM
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I'm bi, I have always pushed back, but I have always been a contrarian, socially awkward and more focused on the logic of a point than on whether it would be well received or popular. I will also point out that while it is unpleasant to be dismissed because "you are a straight white man" when you are, the pure bigotry of the statement becomes even more clear when you actually aren't even though the person doesn't know it. You can also seem them dig themselves further and further into a hole of t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 02:04 PM
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K!ll cis white men Cis is regarding ctrans" status, and has nothing to do with sexuality. With regards to your remark, it should have been "straight. And I am not straight. I am bi. And not the "flamboyant" kind. Most people wouldn't know I am bi. Let's just say that I have gotten more than once the "anyway you are just a straight white male" from feminists. It's already unpleasant when you are. When you aren't, it just reveals even more just how bigoted they are. Then, there's one thing to be s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 01:57 PM
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Well, this article promotes Reeves and his asinine idea of delaying boys education. Fuck them both.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 01:46 PM
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Fuck Richard Reeves and his "redshirting" stupid idea. And fuck Sonia Sodha for adhering to it. Starting from there, I consider this article irredeemable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 01:44 PM
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Frankly, I find it is more alike grasping at straws than anything else. It is still well within the feminist paradigm and certainly doesn't dare challenge or point at any fault on the part of feminism. At best, it could be seen as a very vague tone shift back to a version of feminism like we could see prior 2010. "Let's liberate men's role too and define a positive masculinity" Sure, sunshine, we never heard that one before... They will have to do much better than this to earn any goodwill from …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 01:33 PM
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Frankly, the opinion of everyday feminists is of really low consequence as to which impact feminism is actually having on the world. Who do you think matters most for what impact feminism has ? Jenny down the hall, who calls herself a feminist and genuinely believe it means being egalitarian, but for whom the extent of her feminist actions is basically calling herself a feminist a few times a year and maybe every once in a while say "well, that's not real feminism, eminism means believing men an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/25 09:02 PM
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Yeah, the issue with the mensrights sub is that after mgtow, incel and so on got banned or quarantined, it sort of became a refuge for all types. Very often, the guys there aren't even MRAs and actually mock the idea that advocacy can do any good... in turn, a lot of the right wing MRAs also came here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/25 08:36 PM
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You talk about "real feminists" rejecting misandry. That is not my experience. Awhile back, someone on changemyview posted about how feminists had done a lot of bad stuff, and someone asked "who are they?". Here's my answer As far as I know. The only feminists I see opposing misandry are the ones who just embrace the ideology from time to time, because they have been told it is the name hood people call themselves. Those are your sister. Your co-worker. When it comes to those who have power over…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/25 03:58 PM
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Not from the US. Your scale is very US-centric, though that is to be expected on reddit. Very left. Yet very anti Marxism, anti feminism. I want to nationalise all infrastructures as well as all strategical resources, but leave a national free market for the rest, with national protectionism in place. I want a more direct democracy, getting rid of elections, which inherently favor the rich, who can afford to do campaigns, be in the media, or buy all of that, and replace pretty much all of it wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/25 08:42 AM
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It's the first thing I found when looking her up.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYBBiTZoNPM  Fascists weren't exactly pro men's rights, as they regarded men as fodder. This vidéo looks more like a poor attempt at character assassination like what isoften targeted at public MRA figures that anything else. Did you bother to listen to the original video ? There is no holocaust denialism going on in it, at best there are historical errors, in a video that starts with "I'm no historian". And the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/25 08:41 AM
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Stop trying to follow gourous, and start thinking for yourself. This sub is about recognising men's issues, even when it means recognising that feminism is a big part of what created them or stands in the way of solving them. Which is not something you will find in menslib and the good men project. It is also about recognising men's issues. Even when it means traditionalism created them or stands in the way of solving them. Which is not something you will find in the JP fanclub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/25 08:41 AM
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Oh. I didn't know he had a website. I hope he is OK.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/25 08:21 AM
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Based off what? Vibes? This claim in itself sounds pseudoscientific. Honestly this might be a false memory, probably tainted by the fact that pretty much every pseudoscientist out there claims to be a philosopher, that metaphysics and theology are branches of philosophy, and that pretty much any public facing person I have seen who claims to be a philosopher turns out to be a verbose moron disconnected from reality. So, I might be wrong about that. There might be plenty of smart philosophers who…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/25 08:20 AM
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I am very left wing, by French standards, where our right looks like the US left. I am for nationalising strategic resources, companies and infrastructures. I am for redistribution of wealth. I am for something coming near to a direct democracy, through getting rid of electing representatives and replacing it with random selection of citizens to form representative councils. Marxism can go eat a dick. I am aware that free markets are much more effective at dealing with a lot of issues. I have no…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 10:45 AM
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The more desperate, the more strident the fanatics are. When the prophecised end of the world doesn't happen, the fanatics find post hoc rationalisations and double down on their misguided faith, as the people in there for the grift and those who were more moderate leave ship. Nothing new under the sun.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 10:34 AM
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Honestly, I don't even care to read you. Your first sentence tells me there is nothing worth reading and replying to. You still don't get that what we are doing is feedback on your post. Clarity is the greatest merit of any writing trying to communicate an information. So the answers are on the merit of your post. The greatest merit of all : clarity. You have nothing complex to say, yet shroud it in bullshit to self delude into thinking what you say is profound, and everyone is telling you : "yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 10:22 AM
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It is inaccurate however to say that philosophy as a field is pseudoscientific It is not pseudoscientific. It is ascientific. The main issue I that most of what had the potential to become scientific moved on a became a science. As a result, most philosophers are the people who really couldn't cut it as scientists, going into fields that are disconnected from reality and thus can't become science. And in order to feel like they have something smart to say, all that is left to them is jargon. and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 10:15 AM
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I am a physicist. I studied quantum physics and relativity. I studied supraconductivity, a phenomenon that is not even fully understood yet. Let's just say complexity doesn't scare me. In the sciences, the chief virtue is clarity. You even distinguish great experts at their clarity on a subject. People like to make fun of scientists because they name instruments things like "very large telescope", succeeded by the "extremely large telescope". But that is kind of the point. The things studied are…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 09:39 AM
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see how easy it was to comprehend, even chat gpt can do it. Tell me you understand nothing about chatgpt without telling me. It is a machine that is literally made to produce bullshit as an answer to any kind of bullshit it is fed. You could feed it the scam paper by sokal, and it would claim to find meaning in it. it we took your 'concerns about complexity' seriously, we'd live in a meme, which isnt desirable. most of the time claims of ''communication skillz' just amount to people not apprecia…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 09:16 AM
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Clarity is the chiefest merit of a text, and that is what people are judging you on. I guess your philosophy and gender studies teachers couldn't transmit you that, because they survive solely on the obfuscation of the vacuity and banality, or the repulisivity of their productions, but it stays true non the less. Take any post by u/Oncefa2. They are generally longer than yours, but their ratio of positive to "lol tl;dr" comments tends towards infinity, because despite the length of his posts, he…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 08:44 AM
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I believe he moved away along many others
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 08:00 AM
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OK. And so, this movement that seeks to oppose autocracy is so allergic to the idea of having some men in positions of authority that it just deleted a guy talking about not feeling represented ? What could possibly go wrong... I guess the US left still hasn't learned anything from its loss... And frankly, if that is what claims the others side is bad, that kind of makes me doubt the veracity of that claim. Force of habit, I guess.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/25 06:25 PM
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I am not from the US. I don't know what that sub is. Their "about" page was as uninformative as could be. Do you care to give me some context ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/25 05:51 PM
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And when they do, we call them out. Though, it is hard to be certain how much this is a problem, given ho, hard it is to achieve anything men's rights related. I would also point out that given gamma bias, it is already very hard to get anyone to treat men fairly, let alone get them to disadvantage women. It would take religion level widespread fanaticism to get it done...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/25 11:57 PM
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I think it was a combination of things, between the fact that reddit allows hatred against men, and reddit fucking up the admin tools that resulted in a big move away from reddit by many people here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/25 05:27 PM
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Your post is uncareaboutable. But you wine that people don't address your points, that are buried somewhere in that BS. Here's the extent to which I am willing to engage with your point : I gave the link to chatgpt, and asked it a few question. Here's the summary : The author of the Reddit post argues that the idea of men as protectors and providers is a narrative used by the powerful to control them, making them work for the system instead of for themselves or their families. They suggest that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 09:38 AM
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i can see the views on the posts tho..... The views only tell you how many people opened it, they don't tell you if any of those actually bothered to read you. A general rule of the internet is that at best 1 to 5% of the people who view your stuff will comment. And for an average lwma post, yours is very low in comments. And those comments are all telling you you are unreadable, even the sole one that is telling you he read you tells you you are unclear. Sometimes, when the world is telling you…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 08:31 AM
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I'm only gonna respond to the TL;DR Its noteworthy, for instance, that you dont really respond to anything said in the post, Do you realise this is a self own ? The guy tried to answer your TL;DR, and even that was so obfuscated that in the end, by your own admission, that ended up being unrelated to the post, which shows the inadequacy of your own TL;DR. Like he said, communication is a skill. Work on it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 07:57 AM
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We're just used to the guy. He can't say anything clearly, he can't be concise. And when I have bothered to read him, I have been more struck by the banality hidden under the complexity, when the ultimate goal should be brilliance displayed with clarity. Not to mention the absolute arrogance of his, which can be seen in the style used, but also some of the answers he make. Below someone tells him "you aren't worth that kind of time and effort, show some himility", and the guy responds with "its …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 07:49 AM
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Dude, get the hint, people have been saying it to you over and over. You first have to earn people's interests. You do not achieve that this way. Least of all while refusing to hear what everyone is telling you. Even the only comment that is not outright telling you that we don't care enough about you to bother to read you, let alone watch a 40mn video just because you said so, is still telling you that you are inaccessible. The only word that come to mind when we look at what you said is "uncar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 07:40 AM
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Exactly. And then he wonders why people don't give him the time of day.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 07:19 AM
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It is not the length. It is the style. I don't know how many times I have to say it to you, or do I have to sound like Deepak Choppra for you to get it ? Or is it just that you can't actually understand something so simple and that is why you have to disguise yourself in the apparel of the pseudoscientists to hide your banality ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 07:14 AM
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My issue isn't with the content. Like I said, given the form of the thing, I can't be bothered to care about the content. If I had to say what this text looks like, it is the drivel you find in the various gender studies or in Deepak Choppra's books. Jargon and flowery language unexplained and put upfront as a way to dazzle people into thinking that the person talking is very smart. I have no patience for this kind of stuff, no matter the source or what it tries to say. It is the kind of thing t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 07:07 AM
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No, what you are doing is basically intellectual maturation nobody really cares about, hence the lack of engagement with whatever you are trying to make sound profound in the midst of your jargon. Not to mention your ideological possession with intersectionality, the bigot's way to emulate individualism, which will tend to repulse people around here, who have already wisened up to this kind of rhetoric. If you want to see what it looks like when people make good posts around here, I invite you t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 10:45 PM
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This reads about as smoothmy as most gender studies underwater feminist basketweaving papers. Jargon should be used only when absolutely necessary, and when speaking to a crowd of experts. When speaking to the general public, jargon heavy texts are more the sign of an unclear mind trying to dazzle to play at looking smart, it is the domain of frauds, charlatans and conmen. This kind of text is one of the big reason why I stay confident in the affirmation that the current version of gender studie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 07:10 AM
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Let me quote from a feminist article that talks about how the feminist movement hijacked the DV fields for ideological purposes : The feminist case for acknowledging women's acts of violence While the movement deploys gender-neutral language of “spouse,” “partner,” etc., the gendered frame still dominates.53 Service providers still use gender as a proxy for distinguishing between victims and perpetrators, for example I don't think that the simple "we will do outreach to minorities" sentences are…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/25 08:58 AM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissary Janissaries began as elite corps made up through the devşirme system of child levy enslavement, by which indigenous European Christian boys, chiefly from the Balkans, were taken, levied, subjected to forced circumcision and forced conversion to Islam, and incorporated into the Ottoman army.[8] As Janissaries became aware of their own importance, they began to desire a better life. By the early 17th century, Janissaries had such prestige and influence tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/25 11:57 PM
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Indeed. But the media, and particularly social media, warp and distort the image you have of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/25 07:25 AM
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I think I am close to giving up at this point I am sorry things are weighting so much on you. If YouTube videos do that to you, my advice would be to disconnect from the various modern media. Read old books, go hiking in nature, take on a hobby, learn a craft, or basically anything you think you might enjoy. Leave that shit where it belongs, in the dumpster. The first priority, before thinking of changing the world and engaging in activism, is taking care of yourself. Like theynsay in planes, fi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 02:09 PM
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It is also embracing ignorance. The womannsays she doesn't understandbsomethingbmen do. Who better than mennto qnswer that question ? This question can not be answered without actually talking to some men. The implicit that men's input to answer that question is not needed is a proclamation "I don't seek knowledge, and people offering knowledge are bad people" As someone who can help himself but to Google stuff to know "why is this, what is the reason for that" and so on, I can't get in the mind…
/r/MensRights11/02/25 09:35 AM
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Have you read "mapping the margins", the paper that birthed intersectionality ? Because I have, and I can assure you, intersectionality is shit from beginning to end. Intersectionality is the bigot's way of trying to deal with individualism while trying to retain identity politics. Bigots want to treat people as members of groups that define them. But people are not that. And so to try to approximate what is accomplished through treating people as unique individuals, the bigots decides to treat …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 06:26 PM
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Given how "occupy wallstreet" ended, calling oneself both an anticapitalist and a feminist has never been so ironic and out of touch with history. Feminism is how modern capitalism uses "divide and conquer"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:30 AM
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Saying feminism never did anything progressive is factually wrong. The original was "there is nothing progressive about feminism". This is hugely different. It talks about the motives of the movement, not so much its actions. Right now, men's rights when it come to custody are really discounted. As such, many would consider that moving to default shared custody in the US would be a progress. Now, a raging sexist who want no women to ever have custody could be content to help push for default sha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:22 AM
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Yup. The loss of people like u/Oncefa2, who used to make absolute gems of posts, is dearly felt.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:04 AM
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Well, firstly i'd like Men and Women to do away with narratives that try and create more difference and divides. So, you do want feminism to disappear too, I guess. Right ? You assuming "Woman" is a biological function is inherent to the ignorant ideas on feminism you possess. (not to mention highly transphobic) Not only did you completely misunderstand what he meant, your reaction also show a complete misunderstanding of reality, as well as a deep sexism as you seem to take only his alleged "as…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 08:57 AM
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If you think the other side is plain evil and reprehensible, then you have some soul searching to do and you need to dive a bit into what the other side actually believes, talk to and listen to some people of the other side. If in the process you can avoid acting like a self righteous fanatical nut job for your side, that would be best. A big part of the issue is that, through behavior like we see in feminists, that is, refusing to talk to the other side, making certain topic taboo, shunning tho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 08:46 AM
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After the French revolution, the French parliament was split into two kinds of people. Those who wanted some kind of king, who sat at the right side, and those who were for a republic, who sat at the left side. That is where the terms come from. Those who sat at the left were the capitalists, for a free market economy, which is pretty much why they pushed and took over the revolution, where Kings where much more centralising and controlling the economy through the state. Technically speaking, if…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 08:24 AM
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Some education about feminism, using the fight against DV as an example. Who are the feminists we take issue with : The helpseeking experience of male victimes of domestic violence is a paper documenting how men are received in services for victims. Most services are either feminist run or feminist trained. And it appears that the result is not pretty. So who are they ? Pretty much most feminists having any authority when it comes to services to DV victims. Thirty years of denying the evidences …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 08:15 AM
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The immediate giveaway that this guy was at the very least still based into feminism was his use of "intersectionality" just after mentioning "anticapitalism". From there is was just waiting for his support to the idea that it is all men's fault, or that women truly have it worse. At best, the guy has a recent passing interest in male advocacy. At worst, it is just a feminist troll.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 08:02 AM
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You're welcome. You could also be interested in looking at the book by Ellen Pence, one of the creator of the Duluth model, "lessons from Duluth". When she explain how they built the model, she talks about how it was based on ideology and in opposition to the data they were collecting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/25 07:53 AM
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Which is, what, two or three times more money than he spent ? Talk about a failure in marketing. As if there wasn't that much of a market for what they were selling.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/25 07:48 AM
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Recently, someone here said we should do more IRL and that online wasn't real activism. I pointed out to him that actually, IRL activism can only achieve much if there is enough awareness of our points, and right now, there is still a need for much awareness raising before being able to be effective at much. Your answers illustrate that rather well. Clearly, you are sympathetic to men's issues. You seem also somewhat new to it. Those various topics are regularly addressed in this sub. Yet all my…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/25 07:45 AM
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Yes, it is hard to find much, because there isn't that much. I would suggest looking at https://domesticviolenceresearch.org/, it is the biggest meta-analysis on the topic of DV. By looking at other articles by the researchers mentionned, you might find more. There are a few interesting papers I like to link, though you may be familiar with them : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3175099/ https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717660_Thirty_Years_of_Denying_the_Evidence_on_Gende…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/25 08:19 PM
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In a tyranny, yes. In a case where you have to answer to anyone for your actions, then you need to at least raise their awareness.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 08:03 PM
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I have to nuance that take. Earl Silverman killed himself in desperation for not managing to accomplish much with his irl activism. Paul Elam made satirical articles online. It is hearing about him that Cassie Jaye thought of investigating MRAs. Through her film, which featured people who did things IRL but also people like the honey badgers, who mostly post things on social media, she raised a lot of awareness for men's issues. And now, people are opening shelters and finding the findings that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 03:56 PM
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Sexual assault, wage gaps, domestic labor, bodily autonomy, democratic representation, and STEM integration would be primarily female campaigns, even if men are also affected by those issues sometimes. Physical violence, mental health, disposability, suicide rates and HEAL integration would primarily be male-centered campaigns. I could go on in similar detail about all of those topic as I went into DV and GM, but I don't have that many hours in front of me. I will try to gish gallop your gish ga…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 09:47 AM
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However, I think with a lot of issues, including genital mutilation the issues specific to each gender are pertinent. It is fine to say genital mutilation is wrong point blanks, but the reasons and solutions are very different (FGM efforts would mostly be in Africa and towards African immigrants, while MGM would be in the first world for example). And that is where you are absolutely wrong. First of all. The reason why GM is wrong are the same for both : you should not mutilate children's genita…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 09:34 AM
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In a general point : That is actually a big part of why feminism is so wrong. For most of these issues, anyway, you shouldn't have a gendered approach, because men and women are both involved and the solution may only be found by taking both perspectives into account. More specifically : I agree that for the topics of IVP the stats are pretty similar (as are the reasons), so there doesn't need to be as much division of the issue by sex. It is not that "there doesn't need to be so much division".…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 09:11 AM
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Two wrongs don't make a right
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/25 03:46 PM
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Here's the issue with your take : most issues people here fight to get recognised are not particularly "men's issues". Most of those issues are actually "human issues". The issue is that an ideology has taken over rour societies enforcing that those "uman issues" be viewed through a gendered lense, and dismiss men from consideration, promising some "trickle down equality" at best. Take domestic violence. It is a human issue. All the data shows it affects men and women roughly equally, and that t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/25 10:00 AM
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Here, I would say that I am disappointed in all the people blaming women/feminists. Feminists are not women. I have not yet read all the comments here, but I would be surprised to see any blame on women. If you see some, don't hesitate to report it as it is against the rules. On the other hand, feminists deserve all the blame we put at their feet and probably more. If you want to get a perspective on just how insanely evil the feminist movement has been, all you need is a deep dive into DV. You …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/25 09:45 AM
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So... let's take a look at that claim. Currently, feminism is the main force getting in the way of providing help to male victims of domestic violence. They are the main force opposing the recognition of male victims of rape by women. They are the main source of opposition to the presumption of shared custody. They are the side promoting widely and on national platform things like toxic masculinity and other various terms demonising men. They are what stands in the way of fairness to boys in edu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/25 09:41 AM
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While also being more dangerous than sharks, women kill more men every year than sharks do every 10. This is bad logic and you should feel bad about having used it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/25 09:34 AM
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Your ability to avoid points is amazing. They are targeted at a category of people that are inherently marginalized, which is itself a disadvantage. No, this was already demonstrated as false. At the very least in black majority country, they are not. Which shows this is not inherent, but contextual. You claiming that it is inherent is the most racist and disconnected from reality thing you have said up till now. That is the difference with things like programs targeted at poor people, who are i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/25 07:48 AM
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No one is suggesting that black people should receive targeted support in countries where they aren't discriminated against Are you sure about that ? Because those measures do not have an inbuilt way to check whether the country is discriminating against them. In fact, there is no even an inbuilt way to check if the measures do anything positive with regards to that discrimination if it is there. If you are here, then you should be at least vaguely familiar with the notion that all claims of dis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/25 12:42 AM
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So the only countries you can point to where black applicants aren't discriminated against are countries with a black majority... I might be able to point to more, but what would be the point ? The whole point I was making was that it was context dependent, and a single country is sufficient to make that point. From there, the logic flows. Laws targeted at a specific population based on "this population need help" need to be limited to a certain context, with control to ensure this context is st…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/25 08:37 PM
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What are these other countries that don't discriminate against black job applicants? Any black majority country, for example. Take your pick, you will end up finding one. South Africa is an strange example to use considering that white South Africans earn nearly three times the wage of black South Africans. Yeah. It wasn't exactly wages I was talking about, but if that helps you avoid thinking of massacres...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/25 01:31 PM
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Like,'we need a left wing, Joe Rogan.' To quote shoeonhead, "you had one. His name was Joe Rogan". Duh
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 04:54 PM
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This is the thing that kill mes, as an outside observer. They are screaming at the top of their lungs that trump is a combination between an utter morron and hittler, and at the same time, they lost to him and can't pause for a second to stop and think "wow, we lost to the shittiest representation of a human being we can think of. Where did we go wrong that we couldn't even beat that ?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 04:53 PM
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I linked to my comment in that post, where I go through the actual primary sources on those. I have typed it once, I don't need to type it again. But feel free to pretend you saw nothing and to bury your head in the sand. When it turns out that everything touched by intersectionality actually is a racist hellhole used to promote division and hatred, you will be able to act surprised, that way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 04:47 PM
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I linked to my comment in that post, where I go through the actual primary sources on those. I have typed it once, I don't need to type it again. But feel free to pretend you saw nothing and to bury your head in the sand. When it turns out that everything touched by intersectionality actually is a racist hellhole used to promote division and hatred, you will be able to act surprised, that way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 04:46 PM
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The party system is a natural consequence of having politicians and an election. And election is naturally a way to ensure a ploutocracy. To have an election, you have to have a campaign. To make a campaign, you need money, making sure that the only people that can be elected are either rich or in service of the rich. To elect a representative means abdication your own power to decide anything, elections naturally deresponsibilise the population. What is needed is actual democracy, somethings ba…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 04:29 PM
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And I believe there are huge problems with intersectionality and it's applications. But I don't think their foundations are without merit. They actually are
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 04:19 PM
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I'm aware of study after study that shows you can take two people with the same qualifications the person with the "whiter" sounding name will get the call back, etc. That's only true dependent on context, and to some extent. Ther has also been plenty of studies that have showed that some companies from context where signaling you belong to the correct political tribe matters will actually behave in the very opposite way. One could also point out for example that there are plenty of countries wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 04:10 PM
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I'm going to help you see what should be obvious to anyone with two neurons and a passing familiarity of the arguments around AA : The question "Why am I against racial based hiring practices?" Is actually a tautology. It frames the question of AA as "hiring based on race", which by the very most common definition of the term is a racist thing to do. By replying that, he states "this practice is racist because it is hiring based on race. You know, it is the whole "to be judged based on the conte…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 03:39 PM
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I would say first the one then the other. Just as a way to set the precedent, in case some day politicians try to bring it back.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/25 04:58 PM
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I could give you quite a few in my native tongue. I would struggle more in English. Both genders appreciate, admire, leer, fantasise about, enjoy, judge, observe, gawk at, perv at, watch the other gender. Any of those or others would be more appropriate than "objectify". Even "subjectify" would be better.
/r/MensRights15/01/25 10:15 PM
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Frankly, I am kind of sceptical on the pure basis that data relating to male victims of IPV is generally hard to find and in many cases, male victims get treated as perpetrators...
/r/MensRights15/01/25 05:34 PM
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Not the person you were talking to. I'm not a native English speaker and definitely don't understand what it means. Care to explain ?
/r/MensRights15/01/25 05:16 PM
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I actually highly disagree with that. Objectification is precisely the most wrong term to use to describe human sexuality. People are aroused by the idea that the other "actually wants to do all those things with me".
/r/MensRights15/01/25 05:15 PM
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It just seems to me just a weak argument to shame male sexuality It pretty much is. Except for a few very disturbed people, like necrophiliacs, sexuality is very focused on the human. The whole point of most fantasies is the idea that "(s)he actually wants it/wants me". And also why so many men complain about women who only do "starfish". If the point is to just pump a wet inert hole, no need to go through the bother of another human being. Objectification is possibly the most wrong idea one can…
/r/MensRights15/01/25 05:11 PM
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Personally im looking for stats that back up the fact that some women do just as much crimes I am not sure that you will find that. It is very likely that men actually do more crime, but that is more due to men being more likely to find themselves in situations where crime is the best option forward than it is to be anything inherent in men. Typically, it is expected of men to hold the role of provider and protector. Men without any legal opportunity therefore face a bigger pressure to be able t…
/r/MensRights15/01/25 04:51 PM
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Send emails to advertisers. Send emails to government representatives. Print off and post flyers. Donate to people actually doing the work. On an international platform ? Will you send messages to French advertisers and elected representatives ? To Indian ones ? Why should they care about you ? While some amount of work can be done online in designing flyers, they still need to be updated in culturally relevant manners. As for donations, same issue of cultural relevance come into play. But sure,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 08:39 PM
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Then, I ask once again, please tell.me what you expect from such a platform made to talk. What did you try to make happen, that didn't ? Because I have asked. This is at least the third time I ask you, yet you keep not answering beside a vague "I have tried something/ I wish we would do something". What do you expect from a platform like reddit, made to talk, beside talking ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 04:24 PM
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Then stop whining and propose something, I guess. Though, once again, I am unsure what to expect other than talk, given that this is a platform for people to talk on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 03:49 PM
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Look, I don't know what you expect. This is reddit. We have people from all around the globe. And this is a platform dedicated to posting messages. What do you expect to find here, beside talk, is beyond me. You want to see action ? Great. Go make that happen. Then come back to tell us about it, because this is all reddit is ever about : people talking. I mean, you can try tonorganise something here... somehow... but well... I'm from France, many of the others are from India, there are people he…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 10:42 AM
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The whole thing is based of a wilful misunderstanding of social dynamics it is men who are, overwhelmingly, expected to step up and judged based on what they do. And so, when in poverty, it is expected of the men to do something about getting themselves out of poverty, and to then share it with their close ones. That is why men in desperate situations are more likely to resort to crime. Women always have the option either to try to seduce a man into providing for her or to resort to prostitution…
/r/MensRights09/01/25 08:56 AM
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Most Nobel Peace Prizes have been won by men. OK. So. I get what you are trying to say, but Nobel prizes are a terrible metric to use for it. The thing that conditions the most your chances of winning a Nobel prize is how familiar you are with other people who have won a Nobel price. There is a lot of nepotism going on there. And I got that from a Nobel price winner. There are plenty of excellent research that could deserve a Nobel price that will never get one because of how those are attribute…
/r/MensRights09/01/25 08:41 AM
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I think for a men’s movement to be successful, it should not compete with feminism and be viewed as separated from the matter as possible You can't have a men's movement that addresses male victims of domestic violence without pointing out that feminism is the main obstacle in recognising male victims and female perpetrators. You can't address the injustices in custody without pointing out that it is feminism that has been in the way of default shared custody. You can't address misandry in socie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/25 08:53 AM
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Exactly that. Look up gamma bias.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/25 07:34 AM
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Oh, I thought it was older. My bad
/r/MensRights07/01/25 11:29 PM
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Does anybody not directly involved in those still care about what is said there, or are they just like the rest of the "elite", basically passing time until the guillotines get to them ? Sorry, that was a very French thing to say.
/r/MensRights07/01/25 11:06 PM
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Meh. There is nothing particularly horseshoey about that. Feminism emulating nazis is not much new. The parallel has been drawn long ago. In the early days of the internet, there was a browser extension called menkampf that switched words like men and patriarchy for Jews and new world.order, that made for interesting reads of feminist sites. And I am willing to bet that wasn't when the parallel was first drawn. And if you are to believe James Lindsay, then it seems that feminism and nazism have …
/r/MensRights07/01/25 11:02 PM
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I haven't seen that movie nor heard about it. I have no clue what happen in it, and so I don't understand what you are saying or trying to say.
/r/MensRights07/01/25 03:42 PM
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There are several limitations that should be noted as our results are interpreted by others. While more women than we expected confessed to having intentionally constructed an untrue accusation, 18 participants is such a limited sample that extrapolation of these findings to any other women is inadvisable.
/r/MensRights07/01/25 01:41 PM
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In France, being made to penetrate was officially recognised as rape in 2018, though from the little I saw of how the update was argued, it had more to do with recognising rape in non hetero and non binary case and thing like that, and I am unsure recognising male victims was really a point of focus. I also can not find an example of a woman facing justice for having raped a man. All the research results I get are parasitised by the rapes of women by men, with sometimes some informations on rape…
/r/MensRights07/01/25 12:33 PM
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Getting equal parental leave for fathers (Sweden) Parental leave was instituted for women only first pretty much everywhere. But it turned out to have a side effect. Now, employer had to pay something extra if they hired women, and not if they hired men. Given the extra burden in hiring women and not men, you can predict the result: hiring discrimination happened. The solution that made the most sense without removing what women got was thus to offer men the same benefits offered to women. This …
/r/MensRights07/01/25 12:06 PM
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I'm not a modern feminist. I wholly condemn the misandry. If you wonder why you are getting downvoted, this is it. Feminism was misandrist from the get go. It is inscribed in the genes of the movement. The first feminist document, the declaration of sentiments, states "the history of mankind is the history of the oppression of women by men", which is the most sexist statement one can make. Both against women and against men. This is the denial of women's agency the person above was talking about…
/r/MensRights07/01/25 11:54 AM
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Given that you are just factually wrong on that, I will keep pointing it out. Feminism is founded on the idea that "the history of mankind is the history of the oppression of women by men", which is possibly the most sexist statement they could have made. And it shows in the earliest actions, with the involvement of the suffragettes in the white feather campaign, shaming men onto registering to go to one of the most gruesome wars, while campaigning for women to get for free what that bought men.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/25 07:46 AM
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My point is that language like "equality" already inherently implies the importance if both sides, yet that doesn't seem to help. And I am worried that a movement about both sexes would pretty soon be overtaken by female only concerns with men getting maybe an afterthought just because as a species, we seem particularly keen on focusing on women's issues and sacrificing men in the process.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/25 12:13 AM
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It always worked in the same direction. It was supremacist from the get go.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 11:35 PM
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While my impulse is to agree, I am worried by one point : gamma bias/malagency. There is an instinct in humans to care more about women. And so there is a very important need to actually make effort to put men forward, otherwise "equality" may just turn out the way it is right now that is, focusing on women's issues now, and men's issues maybe later, when all the "important" women issues like manspreading have been delt with. I mean, that never ceases to astound me how people can go on and on ab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 11:34 PM
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the vast majority of people are nowhere near bigoted enough to check an author's skin color or sexual orientation before choosing what to read, especially in fiction. Most of the time, I have no clue even the gender or nationality of the person I'm reading. There has been enough cases of women adopting male or gender neutral pen names, that even seeing a male name isn't enough to know for sure. Not to mention the potential use of ghost writers by successful and prolific authors. I heard an inter…
/r/MensRights04/01/25 09:34 AM
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Have you read Greg Egan? If you haven't, you're in for a treat. He has a few novels, but where he shines best is in his short stories. I can't give you advice on a compilation of those because I only know the French ones, not the ones in the original version, but he is my favorite hard SF writer.
/r/MensRights04/01/25 09:25 AM
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Nah, it is pretty much the default law. In most countries, rape is defined explicitly as something done by a man to a woman. In other countries, they "just" define it as an act of penetration by the rapist on the victim, de facto excluding cases where a woman forces sex on a man. The FBI definition of rape seems to include men made to penetrate since 2012, but they have more or less refused to clarify it, and the training material they provide still only give examples of men committing the offen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/25 09:13 AM
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I understood nothing of what jou just said. Could you try to repeat it in a less "I am talking g to myself" kind of way ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/24 04:09 PM
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You make 0 sense. Reread what I said from the beginning with the knowledge in mind that I am a man, you will see there is no backpedaling, just you having a very low comprehension ability.
/r/MensRights26/12/24 01:56 PM
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Or, and hear me out on this, in a platform that built itself on dismantling such bogus claim and accusing feminism of hisorical revisionism and biased presentationnof reality, we can present all the claims as they are, and then dismantle them, rather than acting all outraged while presenting fractional elements of reality. But hey, feel free to build the outrage porn echo chamber of your dreams.
/r/MensRights26/12/24 01:15 PM
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That's a terrible take Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. That's beside my point. Fathers who suspect they are unknowingly raising kids of someone else should be able to do paternity test discreetly without court permission or telling the mother and with minimal cost. Maybe they should, maybe they shouldn't. That is also beside my point My point is that OP didn't present all the motivations for the decisions, and misrepresented some of it. I guess it is better to create outrage porn and get offended a…
/r/MensRights26/12/24 09:34 AM
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No, you misunderstood that answer. He asked me if I cheated on my man. Given that I myself am a man, and so can't get pregnant, that means that my answer to this question would have been completely irrelevant to what was being discussed... Frankly, this sub has some struggle with nuance. I didn't even say that I agreed with the reasoning presented, only that OP had not presented all the reasonings offered for the decision and had misrepresented some of it. But I guess it is better to create outr…
/r/MensRights26/12/24 09:29 AM
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So if a man begins raising another man's child, then the woman cheats and he leaves, the man still has to raise the other man's child? If he willingly adopted the child, well, yes, of course. children are not toys to be taken and discarded whenever you feel like it. Yeah, let me keep paying child support on a kid that isn't mine, to a woman who cheated on me. Child support mostly has no reason to exist. You pay for your children when you have custody of them.
/r/MensRights25/12/24 12:34 PM
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Even if I had, given that men don't get pregnant, that would not have an impact on what I said.
/r/MensRights25/12/24 12:16 PM
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It is the French government we are talking about. They are still struggling with the transition from the Minitel to the Internet. They once sent me an email from a specialized box in a governmental account to tell me to answer to them through paper mail.
/r/MensRights25/12/24 10:22 AM
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So, i am French, I have read the reasonings given and I have to disagree with you on that. You are missing some pretty important points, like medical data privacy and safety. Your genetic code is some pretty important medical data, and there is an issue with having it compiled into a databank that may be hacked, leaked or stolen. There are some risks with authorities forcing access to those medical data, be it to look for suspects, or in case a dictature comes up, to do some kind of genetic clea…
/r/MensRights25/12/24 09:13 AM
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Indeed. And that is why it can be a good training on how to discuss with some dishonest and illogical people
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/24 08:26 AM
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It is not even impossible. I guess that would have to be examined. How ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/24 08:24 AM
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When I ask it that, it answers that it is not a real feature. When I look for more detailed prompts for that and try to use them, it tells me it is contrary to its instructions and can't comply.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/24 11:43 PM
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I think it goes beyond that. In order to function the way it does, it needs to be premptively prompted along several lines. For example, it consistently claims to care about truth and avoiding disinformation, even when exposed as clearly presenting untruths and disinformation. This is not the result of simply parroting what it scraped. I would bet that the way it has been pre-emptively prompted by its developers follow ideological lines aligned with theirs or those pushed by their corporation, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/24 10:14 PM
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How do you do that ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/24 09:52 PM
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I've found that declarations of "the market would regulate itself" are pretty much of the same utopian disconnected from reality nature as "real communism was never tried and would work". Markets regulate themselves towards one point : prices as high as companies can get away with, costs as low as they can get away with. There is no care for providing the best service or anything of the sort. People have a limited amount of time, and they almost never spend it looking into every possible option …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/24 08:51 AM
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I guess that is because what you are looking at is bastardised version, like I described, late stage crony capitalism trying really hard to sell the most inefficient approach of privatisation to a public that already knows that social healthcare is more efficient. If you want to look at what a good socialised healthcare system looked like, you would have to look at France around the 60s. Maybe also how they do it in northern Europe, I think, though I am unsure. Quasi free market is the US way, w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 09:07 PM
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Depends on the government. And depends what you means by "due to". The issue , fundamentally, is private interests trying to maximise profit at the expense of the public. But well, that's what private interests are going to do. The principle of a government is, normally, to defend public interests and organise and regulate the nation so that public interests are served and private interests are channeled productively rather than destructively. A government that does its job would be fine. You ca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 02:30 PM
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You say "feminist claim to want equality, you claim to want equality therefore you agree with feminism". People have been telling you "feminist claim they want the kind of power men have under the patriarchy conspiracy theory, possibly along payback, we want people to not be treated differently just based on their sex. We do not want the same thing, we do not agree with the feminist goal of "equality". Stop saying so" Words don't have definitions, they have usage. Just because feminists use the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 10:51 AM
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Really look into how propaganda works. You don't get people to commit atrocities by promising them domination. You get them to do so by getting them to think either that they are being kind or that they are being self righteous in defending themselves. The Nazis were claiming that the Jews were oppressors, that they had undue power over the Germans. In their narratives, the Germans were retaliating... most in this sub would agree with the egalitarian aims posited by feminism No, because the "ega…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 10:44 AM
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To clarify my comment above, words don't have definitions, they only have usages. And feminism is pretty good at exploiting that, having a different usage of a word than the common one, so as to confuse people. When they speak of equality, you think of people being treated the same, or fairly. They mean women being treated the same way that they claim the men of the patriarchy conspiracy theory are treated according to them. And that is no equality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 10:32 AM
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I disagree with it to the very same extent that I disagree that the nazis were aiming at justice and equality because they were claiming that the Jews were oppressing them and having undue power. The entire framing of their concept of equality points towards something completely different from actual equality, and this is precisely why none of their actions are egalitarian : the principle in the first place is not equality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 10:13 AM
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You seem to mistake my attempt at accurate representation No, it is not an attempt at accurate representation. Particularly if you hang out in MRA circles, you should know better than to try to claim that "true feminism is about equality". So frankly, I don't care where you come from, or what circles you are in. Stop misrepresenting what people are saying, stop putting words into people's mouth, and fuck off with the "true feminism is about equality and i get to declare what you adhere to" bulls…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 10:00 AM
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Your link has been removed by the mod of MensRights. A thing I hardly thought possible. And there doesn't seem to be a justification publicly visible. What happened ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 09:51 AM
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It's just that it is annoying. First you come here with a false dichotomie that everyone points out and reject. Then everyone tells you about our rejection of feminism, yet you still insist to claim that we do embrace "the true version of feminism that only exists in the sound of raindrops when nobody is around to hear it" despite what we told you. For a moment, stop trying to put words into people's mouth against their will. Somebody should have told you that it is not an OK thing to do, to put…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 09:47 AM
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Universal healthcare works great as long as your politicians are not bought by financial interests to seek profit. France used to have one of the best healthcare in the world, and it was universal healthcare. The very reason why it works great is a very basic economic principle : offer and demand. It reduces the market from a few providers and many demands (from individuals with low power), to a single demand, by the state representing everyone, with enormous power of negotiation. The only thing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 09:33 AM
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what I’ve learned - many in here will not embrace the men’s liberation title because of its association with modern feminism. But they don’t want to abandon old school feminist aims of gender equality Frankly, fuck off with that. Almost everyone here told you they rejected feminism and your false dichotomy. They didn't say "modern". Feminism of all times has been incredibly sexist, at its core. One of the first text considère as feminist, the "declaration of sentiments", states "the history of m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 09:20 AM
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Feminism, traditionalism, double standards : one cause. Malagency
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 09:12 AM
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Yup. The moment I started seeing him pop up in MR spaces, I started calling out the BS. This guy is not pro men in what he preaches.
/r/MensRights16/12/24 12:07 PM
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Here's how I present the impact of feminism in the DV industry The paper you really want to read is "the feminist case for acknowledging women's acts of violence". It is a paper by feminists, talking about all those things described in that paper you quote, and justifying it. The paper argue that feminists might want to stop, but only because the cat is out of the bag, and feminism now pretends to care about lgbtq people, and so the continuous dismissing of male victims and of female violence ma…
/r/MensRights16/12/24 11:50 AM
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Ask any feminist to detail you what "patriarchy" is. Then proceed to do a fun exercise: switch women with aryans, men with Jews, patriarchy with "new world order", feminism with "nazism", and try to see if you can find anything that wouldn't fit comfortably into a Stormfront article. In a sense, patriarchy theory is worse than even that. After all, it would be technically possible for an ethnicity to actually oppress another ethnicity. You can have a whole society of an ethnicity oppressing anot…
/r/MensRights12/12/24 03:08 PM
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A list about feminism misandry for anyone who thinks that feminism fights for men’s rights, for anyone who thinks that feminism was only a sexist movement starting from the third wave and for anyone who accuse the MRM of being a sexist movement, while still defending feminism. A big compilation of arguments and statistical evidence that I am becoming very tired of having to restate A feminist scholarly paper admitting feminists concealment of women's perpetrating of DV Some history regarding fem…
/r/MensRights12/12/24 12:10 AM
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Because gender roles are becoming obsolete, men feel like they don't have a purpose" Yeah, everywhere people seem to be saying that masculinity needs to be redefined and whatever, and that gender roles have been abolished, and now men somehow would be lost because they don't know what role to fill. That's a bunch of crap. All of it. Gender roles have not been abolished, for men or for women. And men aren't lost without gender roles. What happened is that feminism and its shaming and bullying and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 08:12 AM
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One aspect you leave out : lifetime data also includes events that happened at the height of the summer of love, when everyone was fucking everyone while on drugs. Lifetime data is much less relevant to today's society. Another issue with the NISVS is exactly how they qualified something as sexual assault. Let's remember that these studies are heavily influenced by Mary Koss, who is behind the infamous 1 in for women raped on college campus. The NISVS counts consumption of alcohol in its criteri…
/r/MensRights08/12/24 01:10 PM
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Humans used to be a species fairly similar to chimps in its model, tournament reproduction : an big strong dominant male having a harem of females. How we transitioned to the current model, then ? Well, it is something we can observe in some tournament species : non dominant males will start to provide to a female, gibe her extra grooming, and so on. Then, when the female is about to go in heat, and the dominant male starts to guard her, she would either move all over the place to tire him out, …
/r/MensRights06/12/24 03:58 PM
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but I'm sceptical that this power is used in a way that makes women generally more oppressed than men: men (and women) who hold power, use it for their own benefit, not the benefit of other men (or other women). Given that both men and women are more likely to favor women over men, claims that men in power would favor men are pretty opposite to reality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/24 01:08 PM
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I wonder why male victims are not talked about. Really, it is mysterious
/r/MensRights06/12/24 09:18 AM
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Question from someone who lives far away from any alligator: how often do you have to fight them, and if so, why with a pan ?
/r/MensRights06/12/24 12:53 AM
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Personally, I do think patriarchy is a thing. And what is it, then ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/24 10:10 PM
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I think you are oversimplifying things beyond a reasonable point and distorting a few other. For example, saying Tradcons and red pillers are similar in that they also essentialise both genders and believe in regressive social norms. Is a bit like saying that vegans and barbecue enthusiasts are similar in that they care a lot about food. And saying they are all parts of the same "foodosphere"... And saying MGTOWs were dudes who internalised red pill observations and mapped it to their traumatic …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/24 10:09 PM
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Do you realise that PUAs, MGTOWs and Incels are pretty much at three corners of a triangle, and that lumping them together makes no sense ? The term manosphere is a made up term by feminists as a way to guilt by association, it does cover PUAs, MGTOWs, Incels, trad-con antifeminists and MRAs, and pretty much all of those people have radically different worldviews, analyses and objectives. Basically, to begin with, MRA is a term created by feminists who thought the mere idea of men needing people…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/24 07:05 PM
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I believe gender roles are good and necissary for humans to get get along. I believe gender roles are an adaptation to a specific environment, and that with modern technology and society, those gender roles have become maladaptive. Whether we may manage to move pass them or not is another problem. Current men's rights for men is rejecting their responsibilities and restrictions, yet still want the fruits of a women's geniune love and respect that conservatism promises them. I disagree with that …
/r/MensRights05/12/24 06:21 PM
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I am under the impression that we are having two very different conversations. Your answer makes absolutely no sense to me. I'm going to point out my statement was about the lizard brain. When you said Femenism argued that gender roles are social constructs. Traditionalism and Conservatism argue that gender roles arose necissarily from nature That isn't lizard brain, that is rationalisation. The lizard brain has no concept of social construct or nature. It just has feelings. And I am pointing ou…
/r/MensRights05/12/24 04:23 PM
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Femenism argued that gender roles are social constructs. Traditionalism and Conservatism argue that gender roles arose necissarily from nature. They are as far apart as they can possibly be. The rationalisation of the prefrontal cortex matters very little with regards to the instinct of the lizard brain. The rationalisation might be miles appart. But they both stem from the same maladaptive instinct of "women need to be protected and provided for". And while feminism might want to get rid of fem…
/r/MensRights05/12/24 03:53 PM
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Bi man, strongly left leaning in a country where the US left looks like our right. Let's nationalise the infrastructures and strategical companies. Private interests have no business making money out of our nuclear power plants, our highways, our trains which were built by us and for us, using our tax money. Let's create strong workers unions that will be able to stand up against companies and their exploitative practices. Let's replace the election of representatives elected amongst (highly cor…
/r/MensRights05/12/24 02:43 PM
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you say that there is a cult-like bit happening in the universities, whereby if you dont agree with intersectionality's take on things, that you fail. i dont think this is tru. you might be taught it, and expected to be able to understand it, but a major part of the humanities programs, including gender studies, is to be critical of what you are taught. there are also a host of other theories aside form intersectionality that are taught in university. it is the feministas, the online crowd, that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/24 12:24 PM
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The venus fly trap markets itself as very enticing to flies. Don't always take people at their own words. One would figure that MRAs, of all people, should know better than to believe feminists when they claim they are "just about equality" or "simply doing that trivial thing". And that trickle down equality doesn't work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/24 05:39 PM
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That's the same difference between what the jehovah's witnesses claim they are to their believers and the people.they seek to recruit, and what they actually are. Here's a comment where I go in detail over the origins and nature of intersectionality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/24 05:33 PM
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There was a while back someone who asked about intersectionality. Here's my answer to them. Intersectionality is toxic to anything it touches. Many might push it genuinely believing it is good, the same way that jehovah's witnesses genuinely believe what their cukt tells them, but just because they are genuine doesn't mean that what they are pushing is not toxic and to be rejected and prevented from influencing any institutions we wish to preserve. It is not fit for use.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/24 05:28 PM
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Failures Of Intersectionality ... TL;DR The stats on human trafficking have been manipulated to highlight womens issues, to the detriment of mens issues and migrant issues. These used to be geared towards concerns regarding the unique exploitability of migrant workers, now they barely count migrant workers, instead they focus on relatively niche issues that primarily center women’s issues. In effect, disregarding 281 million+ people, 60/40 split men/women, in favor of at most 30 million people, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/24 12:18 PM
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I don't deny any of that, and it wasn't the goal of my answer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/24 11:05 AM
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Have you ever heard of Chesterton's fence ? It goes like this : In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, "I don't see the use of this; let us clear it away." To which the more int…
/r/MensRights04/12/24 11:03 AM
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While it is true that the false news of one thing doesn't discredit another necessarily, if you meet someone who's raving about his alien abduction and the conspiracy by the cia to kill him, well, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not after you, sure, but let's just say that the alien things increases the doubt you will have about the CIA thing. If half of wikileaks were documents about aliens and criptids, it wouldn't have been taken as seriously, wouldn't it ? Because while t…
/r/MensRights04/12/24 10:14 AM
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whereas, I feel like I'm still the angsty 18 year old confused and trying to find my way and get the engine started, Let me tell you a terrifying secret : almost everyone is that confused 18 years old trying to find their way, not knowing exactly what they are doing. You might get good at one or two things after years of intense practice, supposing there is anything you practice intensely. But most of it is just trying to improvise and make your best as an ignorant 18years old. It is not uncommo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/24 08:22 AM
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To be perfectly honest, therapy in general is much more heavily dependent on the patient's involvement and active participation, men or women. If à person has some kind of diseases, you give them a pill, and the patient could be unconscious that it would still.habe an effect. Therapy relies on training the patient to change patterns of thoughts or behavior. It means practicing the exercises asked of him. You do not just take a pill and get better, or just go to the sessions and get better. And t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/24 11:12 PM
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Have you ever seen the slogan "the future is female" ?
/r/MensRights03/12/24 06:01 PM
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And why would you ? Tate is not an MRA. As far as I know, he's a PUA, and those a very different things. The very fact that you believe Tate has anything to do with us is a further demonstration of the general feminist hate of people who stand up for men's rights. Just so you know, the term MRA was originally coined by feminists who found the very idea of men needing their rights to be advocated for to be utterly ridiculous. Except it was apt and we rolled with it, particularly given that many o…
/r/MensRights03/12/24 05:59 PM
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While I would tend to agree with you on both, those two are not particularly gender specific. Although, when they are mentioned publicly, it is usually through a feminist lens and in a very gendered manner. In another part of the thread, I pointed out to you how rape is defined in various countries and studies made on the topic. Let's just say that things aren't as one sided as feminists like to paint them. It is usually done following the usual feminist MO : do not ask the same things of men an…
/r/MensRights03/12/24 04:33 PM
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That is nice to hear. Could you tell me what you call power, and when you think America ceased to be a patriarchy?
/r/MensRights03/12/24 10:17 AM
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Keep them around? Sorry should I personally go kill them? I am not in charge of feminism and who falsely claims the title, and neither are you responsible for the “men’s rights” proponents who focally want to strip women of theirs Don't act like you didn't see the second paragraph. We all know what it looks like when feminists don't want certain kind of people or ideas in their movement. We have seen the ideological wars against the TERFs. Those are people who are hateful towards a tiny fraction…
/r/MensRights03/12/24 10:15 AM
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Being able to sue for child support in the case of rape is horrid. It is only the surface level of the dystopia that is American child support. If you want to have nightmares wondering if you actually fell into some kind of hellworld, start digging at hiw child support work (and mostly doesn't) right now. That is not the thing I'm the most knowledgeable in. One hellscape at a time is enough for me. So I won't be able to point you towards much directly. But here are a few things I think I remembe…
/r/MensRights03/12/24 09:25 AM
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Do you mean rights in America or globally? In America. And I hardly think disproportionate and easily preventable death rates from car accidents are trivial. I am not claiming everything is trivial. I am claiming some of it is. I don't know exactly how old you are. Back a few years, for example, the newest feminist cause, that made a lot of noise, was "manspreading". There even was a feminist who got some kind of design award for creating a chair made to "prevent manspreading". There were campai…
/r/MensRights03/12/24 09:09 AM
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Balance could be subjective to you. I could trade a bar of gold for a pencil. I could believe it balanced, maybe it would be to me for whatever reason Precisely. Do you know what is one of the rarest material in the universe ? Wood. But we find it less valuable than things ultra common like diamonds, where you have entire planets made of those or where they rain. But well, those diamonds are far away and unusable, but there's wood growing in my backyard, and if I cut some, I will have some more …
/r/MensRights03/12/24 09:00 AM
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What rights are men in America lacking? Appart from the right to bodily autonomy with both circumcision and the selective service, the right to a fair treatment by the justice system, the right to not be put in debtor's jail, the right to not be discriminated against in education or to be put through kangaroo courts, I'm sure if you ask around, you will learn of a few more. The right to consent to parenthood might be nice, for example. Currently, in America, a woman can rape an underage boy whil…
/r/MensRights03/12/24 08:18 AM
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OK. Would you care to describe what you mean by "patriarchy", then ? If you were to realise that things were not unbalanced the way you think they are, would that change your mind ?
/r/MensRights03/12/24 08:06 AM
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but the problem is that it’s still so needed. Is it ? Do you really need to keep around people who celebrate suicide ? How ? Feminism went into civil war over the TERF issue. Where is the civil war over the MERFs? Why isn't it being done ?
/r/MensRights03/12/24 07:54 AM
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This isn’t an issue of rights I believe inequity is more pervasive for women in America Can you come up with issues of rights women lack but men have ? Can you come up with issues of rights women have but men lack ? Wouldn't you say that fixing issues of rights is the first step in going for equality ? What woukd you day about a movement that claims to be about equality, but spent more time focusing on trivialities than it did addressing rights inequalities ?
/r/MensRights03/12/24 07:50 AM
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The issue of MRAs is different. This is a descriptor of practicing an activity. Men's Rights Activists. People who do activism on behalf of men's rights. There are no specific ideology attached to that, you can do activism along a right wing anarchist worldview or a left wing authoritarian worldview and that would still qualify. Men's Right Activist is a bit like "football player". If you play football, you are a football player. Football player may belong to all sorts of different clubs, and ha…
/r/MensRights03/12/24 07:41 AM
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In Switzerland, not exactly a 3rd world country, rape is defined explicitly as something done by a man to a woman. In other countries, they are slightly more subtle, defining it as the penetration of the victim. This means it is technically possible for women to rape men, if they penetrate them. If you see a stat that claims 90+% of rapes are committed by men, this is the definition they are using. It is notably the case in all the CDC numbers. The method through which they study rape has been d…
/r/MensRights03/12/24 07:30 AM
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Welcome here. a feminist (by it’s technical definition of believing in equality) Political movements are not defined prescriptively, they are defined descriptively. That is, a movement is what the movement does. To take an extreme example of how that might work, some people might want to insist that the nazi really is the National Association of Zebra Impersonators, nice people who like to dress as zebras, and whose symbol of 4 hooves running has been misused. That doesn't mean anyone has to car…
/r/MensRights03/12/24 07:20 AM
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Although, was the election in Ireland really that different ? I'm in France, and the principles still apply.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/24 07:06 PM
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And about the Duluth model, here's a useful and interesting quote : By it's creator, Ellen Pence, in her book "lessons from Duluth", around page 28-29 "The Power and Control Wheel, which was developed by battered women attending women's groups, was originally a description of typical behaviors accompanying the violence. In effect it said, "When he is violent, he gets power and he gets control." Somewhere early in our organizing efforts, however, we changed the message to "he is violent in order …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/24 07:50 AM
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From the Gender Differences in Patterns and Trends in U.S. Homicide, 1976–2015 paper, the part I usually highlight is the conclusion : "Among all the results already reported, perhaps the most striking and important surrounds the trends in intimate partner homicide, particularly in the context of ongoing efforts to curtail domestic violence. Some researchers argue that the reduction in male intimate partner victimization, a decline of nearly 60% over the past four decades, is because of an incre…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/24 07:44 AM
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Men and Women are NOT equal When looking at the distributions of the groups, indeed they aren't. But group distribution tells you nothing about individuals, and when it comes to law and policies, it deals with individuals. For any parameter you might want to look at, you can find an individual woman rating higher than many men, and vice versa. And so it makes no sense to make laws and policies that treat them differently. That is why, under the eyes of the law, men and women are equal. There is …
/r/MensRights28/11/24 07:19 AM
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Let me rephrase that for those who insist no two individual is ever equal and thus equality impossible bla bla bla The goal is to not have domination or supremacy
/r/MensRights27/11/24 07:06 AM
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Under overture laws (and similar ones depending on where you look at), men were held liable for the actions of their wives or unwed daughters or sisters. Including debts they incurred or some crimes they made. And if you look at society like Islamic societies, it is still the case in many fronts. In Afghanistan, you have boys who sold themselves into sex slavery because it was their responsibility, as the only living male in the family, to provide for the women in his family, mother and sisters.…
/r/MensRights26/11/24 09:19 PM
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Neutrality (or nonalignment, depending on your viewpoint) What do you mean by that ? I live in Europe, so things work a little bit differently here I am not from the US, but from.europe too. Where I live, the draft has been abolished a while back, with the question of making it gender neutral never addressed. I see no reason why if it were to come back, it wouldn't come back in the way it was before getting abolished, though. So what do you mean by "it works differently" ?
/r/MensRights26/11/24 09:14 PM
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Being held responsible for everything, being forced into combat and other life endangering roles, being punished when victim of domestic or sexual violence... Those are all examples of things men had to face long before feminism. Feminism invented nothing particularly new, it is just a more virulent more maladaptive strain of what was already there before.
/r/MensRights26/11/24 04:25 PM
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There were no real hefty problems for hetero men before feminism BS. Theee were plenty of problems for men before feminism. And there will be plenty after.
/r/MensRights26/11/24 11:14 AM
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Janice Fiamengo, Karen Straughen, and Warren Farrell are all former feminists Karen never was a feminist.
/r/MensRights26/11/24 11:10 AM
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The latter, preferably While I agree it would be preferable, here's the thing : when shit hit the fan, and at some point it is likely it will, we will see it reinstated pretty quick. And if it was just entirely dismissed, the question of it being unfair towards men will have been left unaddressed, and when it is reinstated, men will be the ones drafted. On the other hand, if women are first included in it, then when it is reinstated or used, women will more likely also be included.
/r/MensRights26/11/24 11:02 AM
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All broken arms are bad. And we should help people with broken arms. Now imagine if there was a group that created, and took all the media space dedicated to helping people.suffering from broken arm, with campaigns like "help men with broken arms", and "we need strong manly arms to be healthy", and "not helping men with broken arms is misandry". Don't you think that people would be legitimate in saying that those people are sexiste? Sure, they are not preventing help to women with broken arms. B…
/r/MensRights26/11/24 10:52 AM
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In my first answer to your general post, I have you a link to the feminist paper "the feminist case for acknowledging women's acts of violence This paper is feminists discussing how the feminist movement, since the 70s, jas been engaging in "measures of containment" regarding public knowledge of women's acts of violence. Take a second to take that in. That is almost 50years of "this limited response to women as perpetrators of domestic violence as a feminist “strategy of containment.” When deplo…
/r/MensRights26/11/24 10:25 AM
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The way things are now, a woman in the US can decide uniaterally to not use any contraceptive - rape a teenage boy (deciding unilaterally to engage in sex) decide unilaterally to not use the morning after pill decide unilaterally to not get an abortion decide unilaterally to not give up the child to a safe haven sue the rape victim for child support and get a judge to declare him equally responsible for the child, forcing him to work to fund her unilateral decision under penalty of violence an s…
/r/MensRights26/11/24 09:50 AM
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Here's some reading for you
/r/MensRights26/11/24 09:22 AM
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A huge part of the job of an activist is to raise awareness, to educate people. It is literally to "click the sticky and read it" for people. That is basically what Cassie Jaye ended up doing. And by doing so, she made more good for the MRM than telling people "educate yourself" without providing them with the material to educate themselves will ever do. People can't support what they don't know, and even though some of that stuff is easy to find once you know what you are looking for, it is har…
/r/MensRights26/11/24 09:06 AM
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Many MRAs are former feminists who changed their mind. The person considered as the modern father of the MRM, Warren Farrell, is a former board member of the NOW. Calm down a bit.
/r/MensRights26/11/24 08:58 AM
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Well, it depends, in some countries, or even in many, it is technically illegal, but is in practice absolutely tolerated.
/r/MensRights26/11/24 08:55 AM
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Look, there are a few things to know when come here. The first is that this sub is heavily believes in people being able to say whatever they want. The moderation is pretty lax, though it will ban certain things when their attention is drawn to it. Which is not a generality, because most people will rather downvote than report. This is why we can have people like you coming here to discuss. This also means one thing : a lot of the people here are not actually MRAs. You see, when certain subs wer…
/r/MensRights26/11/24 08:42 AM
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I will direct you to a conversation I had a while back that explains why I have no tolerance with regards to "it's OK to punch up" against groups defined by genetics. It is basically the war propaganda preceeding all genocide, which means it is the kind of rhetoric that can justify any atrocity and injustice you can imagine. And I won't stand for it.
/r/MensRights26/11/24 08:12 AM
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My point is that men are not inherently better, and women are not inherently worse, at taking care of children. This data doesn't really help us because, given that the sample is not unbiased, we can't make a conclusion on whether one sex is better than the other at taking care of kids. So basically, the grain if salt is "don't take it to be an absolute truth, and don't overcorrect the way feminists tend to do". The goal is equality, not advantages. Edit : typo, overcorrect, not overcurrent, wha…
/r/MensRights26/11/24 08:02 AM
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The other way to look at it is that identity politics sometimes doesn't even help the people it's aiming to help That is the very reason why the people pushing for identity politics are doing it : because it doesn't solve the problem. Solving the problems, making the issues go away and having people integrate into society, that means killing the revolutionary spirit in them, when what they want is a revolution. They want everyone radicalised against society, so that a revolution can happen and w…
/r/MensRights26/11/24 07:44 AM
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You might find some hostility towards some feminists, here. But which one ? Who are they ? The helpseeking experience of male victimes of domestic violence is a paper documenting how men are received in services for victims. Most services are either feminist run or feminist trained. And it appears that the result is not pretty. So who are they ? Pretty much most feminists having any authority when it comes to services to DV victims. Thirty years of denying the evidences on gender symmetry is a p…
/r/MensRights26/11/24 07:35 AM
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That is to be taken.with à grain of salt. After all, the point above is that it takes a particularly exceptional case for men to become the sole gardians of their children. It basically happens only when the woman has repeatedly demonstrated to be exceptionally unfit, or when he is a widower. On the other hand, it is not rare to hear here of men who are struggling to get custody of their kids despite their exes being drug addicts who neglect or abuse the kids. So the base sample for comparison i…
/r/MensRights26/11/24 07:21 AM
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If this is what the left looks like going forward... I might even be partial to changing my stance. For a good part, this is what the left used to look like going backwards. Humor and reason and free speech used to be on the left, before the demented authoritarians took over. Anyway, welcome here, and if there are things you wish to discuss, don't hesitate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/24 07:02 AM
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The simplest and most painfully obvious refutation of feminist care for men lies in one thing : feminist went to civil.war with one another over the trans issue, because some felt that teansphobia was unacceptable. There is nothing even remotely close from the feminist movement regarding misandry. Which means that to feminists, misandry is acceptable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/24 01:48 AM
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http://www.datagoneodd.com/blog/2015/01/25/how-to-lie-and-mislead-with-rape-statistics-part-1/ http://www.datagoneodd.com/blog/2015/01/27/how-to-lie-and-mislead-with-rape-statistics-part-2/
/r/MensRights16/11/24 10:52 AM
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Some might say that the ability of women to make unilateral decisions resulting in parenthood and then suing the unwilling father for child support is a case of "your body, my choice", but something tell me this is not the kind they are outraged about. Anyway, I keep saying, we've seen what it looks like, feminists conflicting with feminists on ideological ground, trying tonclean house from unacceptable (at least from their point of view) bigotry in feminist ranks, with all the TERF issues. And …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/24 10:43 AM
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That's a possibility, yeah. I'm not a native English speaker, the "red pill" is less associated with PUAs here, I guess.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/24 05:36 PM
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Youtube doing its YouTube thing. Despite her channel being tiny, she was recommended to me just last night. She's obviously very new to the movement, she feels like JBP is revolutionary for his care for incels and young men in general, despite it being the norm in the MRM, and a big factor having changed his mind is his being called out after his "pathetic weasels" comment. But it is always good to see new people coming to us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/24 08:29 AM
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Nah, her title is appropriate. What she documented was her own taking if the red pill and awakening to the reality of men's right issues while escaping the feminist matrix. PUAs and such don't have a monopoly on that metaphor.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/24 08:25 AM
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I guess it is a good time to point you toward one men's right issue : legal paternity surrender. I absolutely support the right to abortion. But one has to point out that when it comes to reproductive rights, the current state of things is extremely biased. Currently, in the US, a woman can : choose not to use contraception rape a man (for example by having sex with him while he's drugged, or because he's a minor) choose not to use the morning after pill choose not to inform the man of her pregn…
/r/MensRights14/11/24 11:19 AM
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Iirc most of them got the ick when their spouse or partner told them to never get an abortion, or something along those lines. A lot of them were afraid of somehow getting pregnant without any recourse (contraception can fail), so they stopped having sex to prevent that from happening. So on that count it sort of makes practical sense. Only to the extent you don't think about it too hard. If you can't trust your life partner enough to support you on an issue you find so important and that is so …
/r/MensRights14/11/24 10:48 AM
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Just so you know, I am very left leaning, in France where our right is equivalent to the Democrats. Many of the people present in this sub are former feminists who cared more about equality than they cared about holding to the label, and the person often considered the father of the modern men's rights movement is Warren farrell, a former board member of the NOW. The MRM is not a partisan movement, and if anything, it is one of the most progressive movement out there, as it is concerned about ri…
/r/MensRights14/11/24 10:02 AM
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Well, please explain like I am 5 how exactly this movement is supposed to effect changes to what it claims caused the need for it.
/r/MensRights14/11/24 09:24 AM
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A few suggestion. Instead of talking about men, talk with men. Get rid of everyone who uses the language of "allies" (as in a way to say "not a main member of the main group, only needed to play cheerleader). Get rid of the people who use misandristic language and attitudes at least as hard as there are attempts to get rid of TERFs. And by misandristic language, I include things like "patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity", not just the #yesallmen. If the people around you start doing all that, you…
/r/MensRights14/11/24 09:14 AM
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and I get what they're trying to do To be fair, I don't. Most likely, the women willing to engage in that are already in a social bubble where the men they willingly engage with in their lives most likely already didn't vote for trump. So they just decided to take whatever bad feeling they are feeling out on the men who are already their allies. That is incredibly stupid as a move. If anything, those men have even less to win sticking with them. Many have also pointed out that liberal women goin…
/r/MensRights14/11/24 09:06 AM
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The first wave were domestic terrorists that actually hindered the popularity of female suffrage, a right women didn't want until it was made clear they would get it without getting a similar responsibility as men had to sign up to pay for it. The second wave is the one responsible, amongst other things, for the duluth model and the absolute horror show that the DV feminist industry is. Both were extremists, and more so than even modern feminists are, both were misandrist. Both were not needed, …
/r/MensRights08/11/24 08:06 PM
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I see so many women fearmongering about losing all their rights I've already seen à few women in the middle of trump derangement syndrome saying something along the line of "we lost our reproductive rights. We should make men loose theirs and see how they like that" And all I could think reading it was "girl, what are you talking about ? Which reproductive rights do men have ? How disconnected from reality do you have to be ?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/24 05:49 PM
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Does it ? What? It is nothing you couldn't read or hear 10years ago in the MRM.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/24 10:51 AM
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The huge factor that made a difference, imo, is Cassie Jaye and her documentary. She brought a lot of public attention on men's issue, DV not the least, and that sparked interest from some politicians as well. Basically, activism has to follow public awareness. You can try to do stuff as much as you want, if people are not aware this is an issue needing fixing, then it is pointless. This is also why Cassie Jaye and her movie faced so much backlash from feminist groups. They know this very well. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/24 10:31 AM
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You realize it is a self fulfilling prophecy ? If people are convinced only them "have a chance", then only them will have a chance. But you meed to not underestimate the impact of a prime mover. The minute a high profile person say "fuck them, let's vote for some 3rd party", many may follow along, and actually give the visibility and prominence needed for the 3rd party to have a chance. In France, all the media was insisting that the only parties to have a chance were the center right and the c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/24 10:14 AM
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You're still deep in the indoctrination. You've been taught to see what was bad for women and ignore what was good for them, and to ignore what was bad for men, and only see what was good for them. Let's take the "no bank account" thing. For most of history, nobody had bank accounts except the richest. And only the most privileged of women ever felt the lack of bank account as a hindrance. The way society was set up, men were responsible for protecting women from the harshness of the world, and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 05:46 PM
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Didn't you know using logic is abuse ?
/r/MensRights06/11/24 11:52 AM
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My bet ? Trump derangement syndrom
/r/MensRights06/11/24 11:50 AM
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Its like the roles are reversed, but became way worse. I cant imagine men Hated women so much 100 years ago that they rallied campaign like # kill all men # or future is female like women are doing right now. That is because the roles were never reversed. Men never hated women. Men caring and sacrificing for women's sake is far from a modern invention. It is the entire basis of the development of our species. When men don't care about women, you get tigers, where the male and females have separa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 08:59 AM
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The issue is the core of their championing of various "diverse" groups is by the creation of a common enemy, and that enemy is men. So they can't include men. The only way to unite people is around a single identity. They can use the identity of US citizen. The right is doing that, and the left insist that that identity is rooted in supremacy, colonialism and genocide of indigenous populations, and must be attoned for. And their whole shtick is precisely the multiplicity of identities. So the id…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 08:53 AM
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Fascism : characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy Tell me, when Biden became mentally unfit, who was actually making the decisions and holding the highest authority in the US ? Because I don't know that. I doubt it is Kamala Harris. I know it wasn't the American people, who were not given a choice, let alone an official recognition of Biden's inability and recognition of the passation of power. Woukd you say that sounds like a centralised autocracy ? militarism, Do we need t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 08:48 AM
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Trump derangement syndrome incoming. Brace yourself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 08:20 AM
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HR is not your friend. HR is there, at best, to make sure the company rues smoothly. So HR really doesn't like people who rock the boat. It is not uncommon for people who went to HR to complain to find themselves soon fired on some pretext, or put into some untenable situation destinée to make them quit by themselves. And some fields are rather small, and a reputation of someone who would complain, let alone go beyond HR and attack them for failing to do their job, might stick and make future re…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/24 08:03 AM
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No matter my fear of winning the lottery, it doesn't seem to affect my chances of winning. I could be terrified of alien abductions, it wouldn't be a sign that I have been abducted before or more at risks of being abducted. On the other hand, people who do extreme climbing seem to not be particularly af4aid of hights, despite their bigger than average propensity to fall to their deaths. It is as if fear of something was actually not linked to the likelihood of said thing, and could not be used a…
/r/MensRights04/11/24 03:58 PM
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I don't know how you make the jump from gender and race studies to intersectionality. Gender studies and race studies are, broadly speaking, any study of history, anthropology and sociology as it pertains to gender or race. That is the con that has been going on. Ideally, that is what you would want those fields to be. In practice, they have been created around the late 60s to give a bone to ideologues who were making a ruckus, and the field has never been about looking for truth through and att…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 12:23 PM
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To not repeat a mistake, you first have to acknowledge it. Did you see any acknowledgment of their mistakes? Was there any kind of contrition for the "bunch of deplorables" statement? Or did they just double down on insisting that if they lost, it was just because the other side was cartoonishly evil and they failed to re-educate them forcibly, and thus need to just go harder on the re-education ? The thing is, you are thinking like a mistake theorist, they are conflict theorists They don't seek…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 09:06 AM
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Nope, that is intersectionality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/24 08:25 AM
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She's also pretty conservative if that matters to you, but last I checked her videos almost always focus on men's issues. I'm not sure Karen is that Conservative. She's less Conservative than Alison or Hannah without a doubt, and has stated repeatedly being pro choice. And I am somewhat unsure how any men's rights advocate can truly be called conservative, given that the main. Thing advocated for is change of laws and customs away from traditional values of men as protectors and providers roles.…
/r/MensRights02/11/24 08:20 AM
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It is written Karen Straughan
/r/MensRights02/11/24 08:09 AM
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At my time.of commenting, I was the 2nd answer to be made
/r/MensRights02/11/24 08:07 AM
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Religion has no place being taught as fact. Don't you agree ? Because this is what intersectionality is : it actively rejects the pursuit of objectivity, preaches original sin, preaches shunning the unbeliever,...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/24 04:19 PM
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I don't know if that channel still needs to be recommended here, but Karen Straughan's channel is a fabulous treasure trove of reflexions on men's issues, even though it is mostly inactive nowadays. If you didn't know it, go there right now, sort by oldest, and start watching. A huge chunk of the talking points you can hear in the MRM have been popularised by her, and many of the newest men aligned women are just Karen Straughan light. From there, it might take you to the honney badgers, which w…
/r/MensRights01/11/24 01:21 PM
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That is because we are dealing with a cult. Ideological belonging overrides reason and even family ties.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/24 09:47 AM
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I am not from the US, just so you know, so I am unfamiliar with your political system. I'm sorry to tell you, but those people, Harris and Cie, are basically part of a cult. They can't change, they won't change, and they won't even try to delay the misandry spread by the cult. Voting for them seems like a sure way to make things worse for men in a very damaging manner. Now, the right is not that great either, although their misandry is not cult based, so that is somewhat less a disaster, and the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/24 09:43 AM
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I don’t see how the left doesn’t see this by now. Really look into intersectionality, and how it "works". It rejects the pursuit of objectivity, reject reason, in favour of "lived experiences of marginalized identities as defined by the ideology", and it treats even engaging with people who disagree as basically treason, it paints any thought that this might be wrong as an original sin for which they have to atone. It has all the traits of cults, with shunning the unbeliever and all, and constan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/24 09:25 AM
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But why are you choosing to focus solely on the most extreme, fascist feminists? There are hundreds of feminists out there that wouldn’t align themselves with these loons. I will give you the same answer I gave some other feminist recently : I have no doubt there are plenty of good feminist, sure. But you have it in the message above : the editor of the biggest feminist magazine, the board of the biggest feminist organisation in the US, the person that defined howthe framing CDC studies rape,...…
/r/MensRights31/10/24 10:35 PM
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Woman here. Totally appreciating that I’m invading a men’s space so hope it’s ok to post but I find this group really interesting. Welcome. This is not a "man's space". This is a space for people who care about men's issues, or want to talk about those. Men or women. Many of the most respected figures of the MRM are women. I'm thinking of people like Erin Pizzey, Karen Straughan or Cassie Jaye. If you want to get a good idea of what the MRM is about, I highly encourage you to go to YouTube, look…
/r/MensRights31/10/24 02:18 PM
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The explanation you are looking for is the rationalisation hamster There is nothing new. Things have gone better and better for women, and the rationalisation hamster is spinning faster and faster its wheel in search for a reason why women feel unsafe, latching on smaller and smaller grievances that become therefore much more widespread. This in turn built a conceptual superweapon which has been widely distributed and shown to be effective, and is available for use to any woman who cares to reac…
/r/MensRights29/10/24 10:42 AM
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The conceptual superweapon has now been built, is fully armed, has been widely distributed and demonstrated to be effective Nothing is new. It is the same old cancer. it just has reached a metastatic level of growth.
/r/MensRights29/10/24 10:32 AM
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the scenario of having a cup of champagne would almost certainly not meet this definition. Since nothing is provided showing how they asked questions nor how they interpreted the results, it is hard to say. Although this is a study following the Mary Koss methodology, finding 1 in 4 women victims of rape, and this is how she got such results before, so the chances are really good that is what happened. There is certainly a minority of karens who insist otherwise And most likely, those karens are…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/24 09:53 AM
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Well, if they hadn't demonized a generation of men, they wouldn't have been feminists, would they ?
/r/MensRights26/10/24 05:21 PM
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The FBI has updates it's definition ambiguously and refused to élaboration clearly on if they truly do indeed include men made to penetrate, and iirc, their recommendations in data processing still only use examples of male on female agression, for rape. And it being updates doesn't magically change the public awareness of the issue, particularly if any talk surrounding it has died down and no spécial communication is made
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/24 04:19 PM
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one that probably contradicts the prevailing narrative on this sub That's because it is a very bad and shallow reading of the study, which is also lacking some relevant context I have yet to see a single person who has used those statistics in a way that wasn't unconstructive and uselessly divisive. Well, like I have pointed out, those studies were designed to overinflate the numbers of female victims and deflate the numbers of male victims. That means they were created to be divisive. It is not…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/24 08:24 AM
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That is because you are lacking the context of those studies. From what I remember, around 2010-2012, it was questioned whether to add "made to penetrate" in rape definitions. That created some debate and information about the topic, which raised the awareness of men at the time about the possibility of being victimised. By 2015, those talks had died down. Some might argue that the difference between the two might just show the importance of public awareness surrounding such issues in the abilit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/24 08:12 AM
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Sorry to say you this, bit this is possibly the worst analysis of the NISVS I have been given to read in an MRA related space. First of all so the NISVS is the best study that currently exists in the United States and greater western world. That is a big stretch to say so. It is the most well known source that bothered to ask the same thing to men and women on a large scale. But the best ? The thing is so methodologically flawed to call it "the best" is only because of the mediocrity of the more…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/24 08:04 AM
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You might be interested in reading the feminist case for acknowledging women's acts of violence. It is edifying as to the motives. A while back I had made a post pointing some choice parts from it Let's just say that the motivations for their lies and distortions of reality include pushing propaganda, as well as maintaining fundings they want to embezzle, and that amongst the suggestions of why they might want to stop, care for truth, academic integrity , or for the victims are not to be found.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/24 05:36 PM
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Feminism, traditionalism, double standards. One cause : malagency
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 11:37 AM
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Another approach that might avoid the issue while capturing the misandry : looking at beliefs about the world. Particularly in topics that might be less known from the larger public but known to researchers. "what do you believe is the closest proportion of male to female victims of rape (or domestic violence) ? (10m/90f ; 30/70 ; 50/50 ; 70/30 ; 90m/10f)" Would be a question where I bet you would see the misandry come out. That way, the "silent majority" suddenly shows that while it doesn't bel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 11:17 AM
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It also pointed out that misandry tends to peak among younger feminists or women who have recently discovered feminism and they tend to "mellow out" over time, which is something that I also observed (I've also observed that many women tend to distance themselves from the feminist label as they mature, for varying reasons). Personal observation, but I noticed the following pattern : Young people are generally more in rebellion against society. As a result, many young women pick up the mantle of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 10:58 AM
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The first thing you have to ask yourself is "who is making that paper?" Let's Google the first name in the paper. It usually is either the person who wrote it or the lead directrice, and either way, it tells you a lot about the nature of the paper. So who is Aife Hopkins-Doyle? She's a young researcher in psychology recently graduated from a UK university. Probably the person who wrote the piece, rather than the main director of research. This in and of itself doesn't absolutely guarantee shee i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 10:25 AM
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We are talking about the people who came up with "the patriarchy" as an ennemi, and label everything they don't like with "man" or other bad connotation. (For example, manspreading or toxic masculinity). Same people who argued against the use of "fireman" because it could harm the prospects of little girls who might want to become firefighter. They know what they are doing. It is not even that they don't care they create harm. They hope it does.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 09:35 AM
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Well, to be fair, the issue is not whether or not misandry has become widespread. It might very well be absolutely minuscule, how many misandrists there is. The main issue is that feminists have managed to build conceptual superweapons that are freely available for any woman who cares to reach for them. In that manner, people don't even need to be misandrists. They can simply exploit the work of misandrists when convenient. That is why I have often pointed out to the "that is not my kind of femi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/24 05:04 PM
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I wish I could say it is only a terminally online thing, because I have met maybe only two or 3 people like that, but then, in I can tolerate anything except the outgroup, Scott makes a point about just how much in a bubble we actually are, and I can't help but think that I have no real way of knowing how common it is. Sadly, I am not sure there is much survey data on how common misandry is, and so I can't do like Scott and compare my reality to the stats to know how insulated from them I am. Ed…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 06:59 AM
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The lack of any form of politeness ("hello, welcome to our sub", ever heard of that ?), the turn of phrase (blunt "what has it got to do with male.advocacy?" rather than "I think your topic might not be appropriate for this sub" or some other softer way to convey the same.meaning), the direct accusatory/blaming "if you are a feminist, why are you asking for our help?". Clearly, the kid here operate under the idea that is pushed by many that feminism means equality. Why wouldn't he come here, as …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 06:41 AM
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I'm just pointing out that your reaction is rather antagonistic, and that it is mostly undeserved given that you are talking to a kid, who can't really know better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/24 09:18 PM
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Calm down, this is obviously some kid, or at least a teenager. Cut him some slack.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/24 07:46 PM
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assume that victims are automatically liars An important point that you are not raising, here, is that this sentence is actually circular reasoning. In case of a false accusation, it is the accused who is the actual victim. You don't have a victim of rape in case of a false allegation. You have a liar, and a victim of a false allegation. To claim "it assumes the victim is automatically a liar" is already starting with the conclusion that no lie happened, no false accusation happened. The term "v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 10:00 PM
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Do they ever? Usually, at most they cite a vague breaking of some vague rule without explaining how you actually broke it. Since there is absolutely no accountability, why would they bother. You can't take the banning, go see some authority, and get it overturned if the reason is not valid. So why would they ever feel the need to give a valid reason ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 09:50 PM
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Beware, on the Internet, people are often unable to understand a reduction to the absurd.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 09:43 PM
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Since they are controlled opposition
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 09:40 PM
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Reading feminist studies is always illuminating regarding just how bad bad science can get. You think they've hit rock bottom, and then you find out they are still digging. But then, if the grievance studies hoax showed anything, it is that there is no science bad enough to be rejected so long as it parrots the right talking points.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 09:36 PM
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If feminists didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 09:26 PM
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Karen still appear from time to time on honeybadgerlivestream. She said she more or less gave up on her youtube channel because she feels like all she could do was rehashing what she already said, and she doesn't feel like preaching to the choir so much. Apparently she goes to speak on various radios, to try to reach new people who wouldn't hear from her otherwise, and she has also moved on to other topics of interest to her. She also sometimes engage on twitter. All very good reasons if you ask…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 06:30 AM
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That is actually an incredible article. Genuinely has given me a lot to think about. Scott Alexander is great. I encourage you to read more of him. I discovered him back in 2012, with this series of posts, (the meditations), and I encourage you to go back a few posts to the first meditation on privilege and move onward. After this, blog, he moved on to slatestarcodex, until he got doxxed by the new York times (no less), at which point he moved on to Astralcodexten. It is also through him that I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/24 04:55 PM
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Yeah, I'm not fond of letting such a conceptual superweapon on the loose, with people telling me "don't worry, I use it only on those bad people over there". We see everyday how the term is used, and it is very much as a way to conflate legitimate points with the worst of the worst.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/24 12:08 PM
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My question would be, since you recognize that bad faith man hating is a big part of feminist academia, that is, the very basis of the various feminist ideologies, why would you call yourself à feminist ? If you are here, obviously you are aware that feminism doesn't have a monopoly on equality or even women's advocacy. So why take on the label ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/24 11:57 AM
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People like Warren farrell, Paul Elam, Karen Straughan and Erin Pizzey are also classified as part of the "Manosphere". Usually in an effort to associate them somehow with people like Elliott Roger.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 09:04 AM
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PUAs, MGTOWs, Incels and MRAs don't want to be associated with each others either. Somehow, that doesn't seem to matter.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 09:01 AM
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The ironic thing is that the term is used to point at outcasts from society, by people who insist that society is male dominated and male centered.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 08:55 AM
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I do actually think it is fair to group those types of guys together despite their seeming differences. The reason for this is that they share two core beliefs: Women are the cause of my problems The only way for me to get what I want is by changing/manipulating/controlling women Not even close. The first doesn't really apply to PUA. The entire reason people go to them is not because they believe there is something wrong with women, but because they believe there is something wrong with themselv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 08:52 AM
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OK, that's surprising. Feminist academia is incredibly misandrist, from my experience. How do you manage to stand it while still caring for men's issues ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 08:12 AM
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Not really, no. I am not denying their being feminists. But hey, like I said, find me a feminist that is involved actively in the movement and with the literature, and cares about men and reject patriarchy theory. Usually, things go the Cassie Jaye way. That is, they start simply believing feminism is the cause for equality because that is what they have been told, they start by caring about women and doing stuff around women's rights, then they discover men's issues, try to pull their feminist …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/24 08:50 AM
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From my expérience, they are feminists in the same way many people here in France are catholics : in name only. They aren't familiar with the literature, they aren't involved in activities, they have only been told growing up that it is what a good person should call themselves, and so that is what they do. I'm willing to change my mind if someone can point me toward an active feminist that cares about men's issues and doesn't embrace patriarchy theory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 07:47 AM
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Me : I would suggest though that, first of all, the notion of left and right is wholly insufficient to describe any political landscape, and secondly, this can change a lot depending on time periods. For example, many would claim that nationalism is a right wing trait, even though for a long time, it was a left wing trait. So, what is the "left wing" you will find here ? For me, I am left wing because ... You : I think that what you say is what the term "left" means now. But if you want to be ri…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 07:15 PM
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What does left and right mean? A big question, and ultimately, a small one too. The term was more or less coined during the French revolution. Those who were more for keeping a king were on the right side of the assembly. Those who were more for getting rid of it or limiting his powers greatly were on the left side of the assembly. Generally speaking, the right is more about keeping traditions for traditions sake, or for siding with the richest, while the left is more for changing things, or sid…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 09:26 AM
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If feminists don't have double standards, they melt under the sun and disappear. All the subs that have tried to have interactions between feminists and critics of the movement had to enforce drastic and unbalanced policies in order tonretain a feminist presence. If people can question feminism freely, and level at it the appropriate level of criticism, then the feminists flee. When you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/24 06:12 AM
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For having interacted with that person quite a lot, let's just say I have rarely seen someone with a pseudonym that fit them so badly. The ideological possession is strong with this one, and I have very little positive to say, so I will stop there
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/24 05:59 AM
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to do so as an honest actor literally breaks Feminism To.do anything as an honest actor breaks feminism. If feminism didn't have double standards, it wouldn't have standards at all. That's the thing with ideological doxa. It doesn't stand to scrutiny, so honesty is like acid to it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 09:15 PM
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No, I meant the people I was referring to as a reason why I wasn't even sarcastic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 08:56 PM
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Those people were not even particularly feminist, they might even have been critical of it, but they kept using that kind of absurd language that is really hindering the ability to have I tellement conversations and even to think clearly about an issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 02:05 PM
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Yup, but that also tells you about those subs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 12:17 PM
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This was a comment that I for some reason can't get posted on u/Soft-Rains post about Menslib so I'm making a full blown post. Sorry. In comments on reddit, you are limited to 10000 characters per comment. I often find myself faced with the issue. I usually solve it by splitting the comment in two or three that are in a cascade of replies, usually with a note "part 1/2" at the beginning.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 09:25 AM
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An article you may find of interest : Gender Differences in Patterns and Trends in U.S. Homicide, 1976–2015 is a paper that looks at that. Turns out that women used to die at about the same rate as men, but as various services for women became available, it is the number of men killed that diminished. Here is what they had to say. "Among all the results already reported, perhaps the most striking and important surrounds the trends in intimate partner homicide, particularly in the context of ongo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 09:15 AM
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Well, when the feminists are left discussing sexist air conditioning, and men are not allowed to have more pressing issues than women...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 09:06 AM
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Well, at least, you first had to interact with that sub, before getting perma-banned. I dared ask questions to feminists about the nature of feminism, in a sub called "askfeminists". That got me banned there, and on a bunch of other subs I have never interacted with, including menslib.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 08:31 AM
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More that there are those who say women face gender specific issues and discrimination From what I have noticed, those are feminists like Joe Biden is president : in name only, and without any thought. From what I have noticed the "feminism is just about equality" crowd are people who just adopted the name because they heard it was what egalitarian were supposed to be, and then never really looked into any of it. When those people (rarely) start to look more into feminism, there is two option : …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 08:21 AM
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That "temporary swing" was present at the creation of the movement, and it has been present ever since. The movement was created based on ignoring everything good for women, everything bad for men, and focusing on everything bad for women and good for men. As such, it is inherently blind to its own faults in such regards, and will never be able to correct itself. But hey, don't hesitate to swing by and give us a call when you notice feminists changing by themselves. Meanwhile, we will be here, p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 08:09 AM
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Intersectionality really isn't good even in theory
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 08:03 AM
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Intersectionality is the bigots way to deal with individuality. "I can't judge someone based on the stereotype of one arbitrary characteristics, I have to judge them based on the stereotypes of many arbitrary characteristics".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 08:02 AM
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Nope those are not "people who misunderstand the academic terms". Those are the academics teaching and working in intersectionality. And it should be burned to the ground.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 07:55 AM
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No no no, you misunderstood. They say "OK, men are oppressing women", but we also noticed that "whites are oppressing whites", and in fact, we need to take I to account the intersections, and so "white women" may oppress "black men" on the race front, while "black men" may oppress "white women" on the sex front. And of course, black women are the most oppressed. You have to take I to account the various axes of oppression. It is the bigots' way of dealing with the fact that we are all individual…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 07:52 AM
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Well yes, it is when women are not treated equally to men. So, you see, by caricaturing black men this way, women are not treated equally to that, thus it is misogyny. I would add /s, if only I didn't have, a day ago, a discussion with people because they said "equality between men and women has made a lot of progress. On the other hand, there is far more to do on the front of equality between women and men". People have very weird notions on what an equality actually is. They engage in orwellia…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 07:39 AM
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But pregnancy and having children is probably one of those things where there cannot be this kind of straight equality due to biology There are other areas where, as a society, we tried giving only women special arrangement due to that. It always backfire and create injustices. One example would be maternity leaves. Feminists tried to give it only to women. Turned out that created a reluctance by bosses to employ women. Not too surprising, when a woman is an extra risk to see your worker disappe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 07:27 AM
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Feminism is defined as “all genders having equal rights and opportunities,” according to the International Women’s Development Agency. But, after many years of the same argument, there somehow still seems to be a misconception around what feminism is. Crazy, it's as if people look at actions, rather than words and empty speeches. Feminism is seeing the gender wage gap and being angry that women on average only make 82 cents to a man’s dollar, and even less for women of color. Oh, look, someone s…
/r/MensRights02/07/24 08:55 AM
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And as for how pay goes down when women enter the field - well you increase the supply of workers, so there’s more competition for jobs and the pay goes down No, there is a reality to the idea that when women flock to a field, the average pay decrease. But the reason is not some kind of sexism. It is the following : men optimise for pay, women optimise for quality if life. That is, when presented two job opportunities, on that is farther away from home and with more hours, harder aspects to the …
/r/MensRights02/07/24 08:34 AM
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We are, and it is one of the rare ones that doesn't embrace much of the common left wing conspiracy theories and fake studies that are pushed by feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/24 08:30 AM
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Yup. That is why some psychologists are questioning the appropriateness of the diagnosis and think it might be better to simply talk of "complex trauma"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/24 06:39 AM
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Currently, there is some talk in the psychologist community on whether BPD is actually a thing, or if it is not better explained by complex trauma. Just FYI.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/24 06:36 AM
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"Right wing people are so stupid, they believe in all sorts of conspiracy theories and fake science, like intelligent design or that vaccines cause autism. Unlike us left wing people. There is no widespread left-wing conspiracy theory and fake science. It has even been measured by social scientists (who just happen to be overwhelmingly left wing )" I have seen similar statements so often, and it always make me roll my eyes. If I feel like wasting time, I usually quote the wage gap as an example,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/24 06:25 AM
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If you mean the sort of assault that involves violently beating and restraining a person or very purposefully drugging them unconscious, we're probably looking at a maximum of 5% or so. I would be incredibly surprised if that number reached 1%
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/24 08:42 AM
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done at a university in like Montana or North Dakota where the researchers asked male students (no female students as a control either) We also can argue that we know a lot about the behavior of US university students, but it is pretty hard to claim that can generalise that in any manner to the public ar large. I mean, university students aren't exactly a random sample. We also know they lean heavily left, they are less religious than the average American, they are more typical of city dwellers …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/24 08:37 AM
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The Matrix; a film which pre-dates pretty much the entire modern internet. Outch, I felt that. My age...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/24 07:13 AM
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I'm in France. France is usually approximately 10years behind the US in terms of politics, sadly. And that means that right now, we are at the equivalent of just before trump's election. Which is relatively apt if you look what is the current news in France : Macron is doing shit, once again, and so we have elections coming up just now for our government, with the far right getting more and more popular, and everyone else just clamoring everywhere that the only reason is that people are racist a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/24 12:05 PM
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I, personally, don't like saying "too far left" It's because, for the most part, it has moved too far "up", rather than left, if you take the political compass. It moved towards authoritarianism, if anything. If anything, with their taking economic class far less into consideration, far after other "intersections", it has moved towards the center
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/24 06:08 AM
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I guess I should've just not been a woman while I said it. No, it is an arrogant prick you shouldn't have been. You come here, allegedly to "learn about men's issues", yet you claim to be better informed that us about the topics where we point out to you how things are, while spouting the kind of biased misinformation we denounced, and pretend to tell us how we should act. What you need is a healthy dose of humility and self doubt.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 08:43 PM
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The quotes you posted were in no way intended to be rude. Feminists have a term to describe your attitude : mansplaining. Normal people call that being patronising. You come in, clearly new to things, clearly not well informed, and when people explain things to you, you strut proudly in your ignorance, assuming we don't know anything and you know better, spouting the hypocritical rhetoric I was denouncing precisely in that message you answered to, without any level of self awareness. You want to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 02:11 PM
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You seem to be referring to Type 4 - which includes excision. However, not everything in your hypothetical will apply to every type. Your assertion that "the reasons, motivations and argument for both are exactly the same" is very untrue. I responded to you in good faith and was impersonal with my remarks. I'm here strictly to speak with other people that are doing the same thing. Nope, you came here spouting feminist rhetoric about how FGM is totally not the same thing while being woefully misi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 09:56 AM
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Nope. All the arguments you can use against FGM are just as equally applicable for MGM You also seem woefully misinformed about MGM, it's nature and its origins. You also seem to have very strange ideas of why parents actually inflict such things to their kids. For example Removing the clitoris to destroy sexual desire is so that these girls begin their lives with the understanding that their bodies do not belong to them. It enforces the idea that sex is what happens to them, not with or for the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 08:41 AM
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Yup, I'm with you on that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/24 04:11 PM
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I mostly disagree with those two, but my guess would be "custody goes to who can afford to raise the child" and "disincentives women taking half the shit of men for no reason" Personally, I much prefer the default 50/50 custody, along with abolition of child support (maybe only in case of no fault, or completely if it creates too many cases of abusively seeking fault), and no alimony in case of no fault divorce, and no lifetime alimony anyway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/24 03:48 PM
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I disagree with that take. Whataboutism would be people talking about car accident victims and people.bringing up cancer patients. Here, what we have is people saying we should talk about car accident victims, and the feminist movement coming in saying "yes, let's help female car accident victims". It is not whataboutism to say "wtf is wrong with you, what's the need to gender that issue? There is no point". And it is not "invalidating women's experiences" either. The reasons, motivations and ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/24 03:41 PM
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There once was a man called Earl Silverman. Earl was solution oriented. He saw an issue and wanted to tackle it. This issue was the lack of male abuse victims shelters. At the time, those were pretty much non existent. He tried to get funding, but he faced opposition every step of the way, mostly from feminist groups. In the end, faced with the complete general indifference and despair of going into bankruptcy trying to run his shelter, Earl ended up killing himself. A few years later came out a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/24 03:16 PM
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Well, honestly, I'm not sure what to tell you. Seems like you already are well equipped and trying your best. Some people are not meant to be reached by you. We all have our own quirks, our own ways of seeing things and processing things, and do not respond the same way to everything. Don't worry too much about that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/24 08:14 PM
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There is no special "silver bullet". No golden nuggets to use. You have to know what you are talking about, to understand how things work, and you have to be able to convey it clearly, in a way that is palatable to the people you are talking to, that meets them where they are. You have to talk to people, not to the representation you have of what they must be thinking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/24 06:58 PM
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I never had much qualms about opening my big mouth, and telling things exactly the way I think them. That's a big part of how I ended here. The people I'm close with, I can have polite conversations with them where everyone's opinion is considered, even if we disagree. If someone is too ideologically possessed to be able to engage, then anyway I have no interest in keeping them in my circle of acquaintances. I occasionally meet raging misandrists, mostly friends of friends. And if they go on pol…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/24 04:32 PM
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I have ceased giving a flying fuck about what people online call me a while back. Them calling me a conservative or a right winger or whatever (usually thinking of it as some kind of insult or argument supposed to make people change their mind), it tells me more about them, their open mindedness and their ability to have a conversation with someone who think differently than it says about my actual positions. I know what I believe, I know where I stand. I usually find it hilarious when some mode…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/24 04:21 PM
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The edit is pretty much the only meaningful criteria. No point keeping in touch with people who don't even have enough decency to listen and consider what you say, even when you disagree.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/24 04:14 PM
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Indoctrination exploiting humanity's basest instinct of tribalism is the answer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/24 07:40 AM
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I recently discussed that at length, hope to link to it, but it is all in French... so I will try to summarise it : What exactly do you mean by "commit less crime" ? Women are treated more leniently at every step of the justice process, with the gender sentencing gap being estimated as bigger than the racial one. Women also tend more towards harder to detect crimes, like poisoning or hiring hitmen. And women are very adept at agency by proxy, getting others to do their dirty work. One can think …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/24 09:23 PM
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Meh. The loss of the grasp on reality as a way to placate bigots, who then allow you to live on their terms doesn't sound like a win
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/24 04:00 PM
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My understanding was that the main difference between the sexes in terms of IQ was more in the variance than in the mean, with men having greater variability (so more idiots and more geniuses)
/r/MensRights10/06/24 08:53 AM
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There has been studies showing that we take more seriously people who are taller and have deeper voices...
/r/MensRights10/06/24 08:50 AM
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You're too young to have really known how things were around 2010. The misandry was there, but much fewer people.were aware of it. Since then, the wokes have gone berserk, but that hasn't exactly worked in their favor. More and more people are becoming aware of the issue and getting fed up with it. The MRM is still outside the overton window, but not by much, and plenty of MRA points have already filtered through in general discourse, which was unthinkable 10 years ago. So there is progress. Thi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/24 08:10 AM
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I just don't bother with people who put things I my mouth against my wishes. It shows a desire to not engage honestly, which makes the interaction pointless
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/24 05:27 PM
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Give up. I have tried, but he keep misrepresenting and ignoring what is said to him without arguing anything or even trying to engage honestly. To quote the meme from star wars "the ability to speak doesn't make him smart"
/r/MensRights08/06/24 05:24 PM
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I have tried, again and again to get him to address the is-ought gap, but... Well, the ability to speak doesn't make one intelligent.
/r/MensRights08/06/24 12:06 PM
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but justified. That's it, I'm done with you, you are a complete moron unable to understand the difference between an explication and a justification. No point trying to speak to you, the ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent
/r/MensRights08/06/24 11:44 AM
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In short, evolution predisposes me toward self-preservation, not sacrificing someone else's father. No, evolution predisposes you to whatever optimises passing on your genes. So, if you don't have kids, behaviour that will help you have kids. If you have kids, behaviour that helps them survive. Which is why parents routinely sacrifice themselves to save their children. It is evolutionary adaptive. Which means that if you, your wife, and your infant are about to be attacked by a wild animal in pr…
/r/MensRights08/06/24 11:21 AM
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Nothing to do with happenstance, everything to do with strength. And men being stronger is pure happenstance too, right, nothing to do with having been selected for more strength ? The man being the protector or provider doesn't seem to relate to or provide any evidence for the idea that women are somehow more valuable, as you seem to believe. Let's do that as if you were 5, since you seem to have that level of reflection ability. What does protecting mean ? It means taking risks instead of some…
/r/MensRights08/06/24 11:08 AM
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Right, and who is a combatant is absolutely pure happenstance, right ? Nothing to do with nothing ? And I notice you decided to selectively ignore the things about seats on lifeboats, or about the male role of protector and provider found pretty much everywhere.
/r/MensRights08/06/24 10:51 AM
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This is nonsense. This is not how evolution works at all How persuasive and eloquent. And beyond that, are we supposing that this unlikely hypothetical scenario was common enough to produce an evolutionary pressure strong enough to influence the psychology of modern humans? You mean, how common was it for humans to have to face a danger while a woman was pregnant or with an infant child ? Pretty common, during prehistory and before, which is where humanity has spent the most of time. This is fem…
/r/MensRights08/06/24 10:47 AM
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Which is rather irrelevant. The question is : were they less likely to be sacrificed or killed than men were ? Was there a social custom of men having to protect women ? It the seat on lifeboats, it's who gets killed when conquered, etc. Throughout history and cross culturally, it is men's duty to face risk and death before women.
/r/MensRights08/06/24 10:33 AM
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Yet, it is something that we find cross culturally, be it in other places or other times, in pretty much any civilization that grew to any sort of prominence. Usually, that is a sign that something other than culture is going on.
/r/MensRights08/06/24 09:14 AM
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I always found fun how people say "girls mature quicker than boy" as if some kind of praise. Well, dogs mature quicker than humans. And baby horses start running almost immediately after their birth, they mature really quick. One could argue that flies mature particularly quick. Quick maturation is not exactly a benefit. men are less valuable because in the unlikely event that there are 100 people left on Earth then one man could impregnate all the women This is either misunderstanding or misrep…
/r/MensRights08/06/24 09:10 AM
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day. There are valuable things to take from Marx. The notion of social classes acting in their own interests is important to understand a number of aspects of society. The mysticism, with the progress of history toward a goal etc can fuck right off, though. And the concept of class warfare is absolutely moronic to apply to gender. Men and women are not opposing classes with diverging interests, and the whole problem with feminism stems from treating it as suc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/24 08:02 AM
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when your fellow feminists Hahahahaha. Good joke. It's been à while nobody tried that one, here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/24 07:40 AM
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I certainly feared approaching women for fear of rejection. And plenty of men do so too. Rejection is not a pleasant feeling. If you look at things like Untitled,or the few meditations on privilege, fear of rejection is definitely à big part of what crippled many people's ability to approach. So don't downplay it. It is also a big part of the reason why women don't like to make the first step. Rejection is unpleasant, and risking it is pretty uncomfortable. Is that the only reason ? Hell no! But…
/r/MensRights06/06/24 10:01 AM
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One might argue that the only difference between cartels and big businesses is the amount and nature of the upfront illegality they are willing to commit. Like Boeing has illustrated, snitches get stitches in "big businesses". And the difference between corruption by a cartel and corruption by a big business is that in the second case it is called lobbying.
/r/MensRights06/06/24 08:30 AM
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Depends a lot on the alleyways. Living in a small village of a few hundred persons, I could feel safe wandering at night in dark alleyways. And so could anyone else. The rare few crimes we ever get are not of that kind, more like stupid kids doing stupid kids stuff.
/r/MensRights06/06/24 06:58 AM
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I've wandered in nature alone, hiking, and I have generally felt safe meeting people, because people are generally good people. It would take the person starting to act weirdly for me to move from feeling safe to unsafe. I also live in a place where there is no bears, or pretty much anything more dangerous to a human than wild boars, which aren't exactly major threats to you. Now, the question is just a bit too generalistic. And there are several ways to interpret it. What is meant by "should" ?…
/r/MensRights06/06/24 06:54 AM
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OK, let me rephrase that : Consider for a moment the following viewpoint : most issues that men face, being cis or trans is irrelevant. Only for a minority of issues, being trans or cis actually matters cases, trans men face additional issues. As such trans issues should not be the center of our discussions, as it would detract from most of the points where it is irrelevant. And cis issues should be centered because they are the one shared by everyone, including trans men There, does it clarify …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 02:31 PM
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As the creator of the poll, I have a hard time seeing what your seeing. "Transmen are our brothers" is barely equal to "Mens advocacy should centre on cis-men". And this, my dear friend, is the precise reason why social science studies are better made by a lot of people with diverse points of views. That way the questions can get refined. Otherwise, people fall into their own biases and let things slip through. Consider for a moment the following viewpoint : most issues that men face, being cis …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 01:16 PM
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Like always in these kinds of polls, the categories are ill defined and non mutually exclusive. This answer is not really distinct from the "transmen are our brothers" option.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 12:08 PM
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The internet is the place where nuance goes to die. I can see several ways to interpret what you said, some that are and some that aren't putting you in a bad light. You could have been saying, for example, that the issues of trans men have no place in male advocacy, or you could be saying that they are absolutely part of male advocacy, but shouldn't become the main topic, the center of all male advocacy discourse. My guess is you got downvoted because people assumed you meant the first and didn…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 11:13 AM
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For the most part, there is absolutely no need to make any distinction, is there ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 09:45 AM
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Another right-wing propaganda piece "The 2 are basically the same." This is used to discourage voters from voting at all and then giving reps the win because reps vote regardless Get over yourself. I already pointed out that I am not from your country. I have no dog I this fight. Your overtone Windows is shifted so much to the right compared to mine that yeah, both your parties look identical. Deal with it. But besides the points, the Reps are racist, anti-choice, anti-immigration, war hawks, an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 09:12 AM
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It boils down to malagency and the rationalisation hamster in our heads going "are women safe now? What about now?" In case you aren't familiar with her, I highly recommend you open Karen Straughan's YouTube channel, sort her videos by oldest and 15+mn long, and start watching. A lot of those puzzling issues will start to make sense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 07:29 AM
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Feminists are 100% right that risky behaviour does not equal responsibility for being victimized It doesn't equate blame, but it does equate some responsibility. I know a guy who got mugged. The blame for the mugging lies 100% with the mugger. But the guy was walking alone and slightly drunk, well after the subway stopped running, in a shady part of Paris, wearing a brand new leather jacket and a case. He could totally not have been mugged. The blame is 100% on the muggers. But if anyone was goi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 07:24 AM
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Take care of yourself. This kind of behavior seems like a huge red flags, telling you it is not safe to be near her. Although I might be mistaken.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 07:16 AM
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I'm.from.a country where what passes for your left is equivalent to our right. I have no issue seeing just how insane the US politics is because I stand as an outsider, both from not being from the country, and from being much more left leaning than what your left is. You feel like the differences between your left and your right are so big they are irreconcilable, meanwhile o see them as virtually identical on so many points. We have seen governments actually function great with more ideologica…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 07:04 AM
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The basis of democracy is the idea of compromise, of social dialogue, of exchange of ideas. The party system and it's accompanying tribalism is the antirhesis of that. If you believe absolutely no dialogue is possible, no compromise, then you are the intolerant one, the tyran, leaving only violence as option. Take a minute to realise that you are stuck in there with people.who think differently from you, they are not going anywhere, and even if you "cleansed" them, political alignement has a hug…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 06:23 AM
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Well, interctionality is morally and intellectually bankrupt and we are better off staying as far away from that as possible
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/24 04:54 PM
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"If it is a flaw of all men, then it is not a personal flaw, and I am not particularly bad".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/24 04:47 PM
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At the time of Trump's win, the US went into shock, and I was seeing all the identitarian BS hillary and the left were spouting, along her "bunch of deplorables", and thinking "well who would have thought that this kind of thing could backfire ? It is not as if people haven't been telling the left that they need to tone down on the outgroup hatred, and actually start to discuss with the "other". If only there had been some way they could have known... And even before that, it always annoyed me h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/24 04:28 PM
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Yup. And that calls itself "left".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/24 02:02 PM
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Alternatively, the combinationnof female hypoagency and male hyperagency has been refered to as malagency
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/24 08:38 AM
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HR is not your friend. HR is there to protect your boss and the company, not you. By acting like that, you are sending a strong signal that you are a troublemaker. Don't be surprised then if your company then seeks à way to push you out.
/r/MensRights01/06/24 09:16 AM
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Some call it "the iron law of woke projection" Basically, whatever the woke movements accuse other people of doing, you can be certain that it is a case of projection, of them accusing others of doing what they do in similar circumstances. That is why it attracts the nastiest people. It allows them to justify their own behavior to themselves. It is not that they are nasty, it is that everyone is nasty. If everyone in there expects everyone to be predators, then genuine predators can easily camou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/24 07:44 AM
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Just look at all the Title IX stuff- “if as a woman, you regret sex or had one drop of alcohol your ability to consent totally goes away and then it’s SA” FTFY
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/24 03:05 PM
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IIRC, it was a browser extension that made for an interesting read of feminist websites, before it was a sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/24 06:45 AM
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Trump is a rapist Unless he's been convicted of that, for which I am not aware ( because, frankly, I don't give much of a shit about US politicians, left or right ), then you are failing hard at one of the basis of democracy : innocent until proven guilty, and someone on the other side might just as well call Biden a pedophile, you know with his habit of sniffing kids. One can also call him senile, or point at the various shady stuff surrounding the campaigns, including the various things regard…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/24 06:44 AM
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It has been long pointed out by people in the MRM that feminist narratives mirror exactly the kind of war propaganda used to get your population to commit attrocities on enemies. "They unjustly stole their power, which they use to oppress us and rape our women" is an apt description of patriarchy theory, or of what the nazis were saying about the Jews. The main difference is that the nazis targeted more specifically some particular men, while feminists target all men at once. And so the feminist…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 06:59 PM
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Yeah, right, being able to consider that some people might have differing priority to yours is worse than getting eaten alive... ffs
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 12:17 PM
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The point of contention is the appropriateness of talking of "domination". Holding the positions of "power" is no sign of domination, see once again the Ottoman empire and the Janissaries, who were a class of slaves that were occupying the various "positions of power". And reducing power to strictly those is patently absurd and blind. Women are 51% of the population. They are more than 51% of voters, because there are more men who don't bother to vote. One of the big reason people don't bother t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 07:03 AM
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I wouldn't know where it was inspired from. Maybe I heard her talk about it elsewhere and it stuck as a pertinent example. Maybe I heard someone else discuss the Ottoman empire and the Janissaries. I had not listened to that video. I will.change that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 06:40 AM
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Well, feminism is basically malagency on steroid, which is also why it worked so well and left traditionalists defenseless. It's the same software on the newest hardware.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 09:33 PM
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Honestly you've kinda just lost me here. It's just a Jordan Peterson style word salad, that doesn't really make a coherent point I didn't say anything particularly complicated. I struggle to see what lost you. The first wave of feminism was about the right to vote. Period. Mostly yes. Does that mean there is nothing particular to discuss though ? To the contrary. There is plenty to discuss. Feminists like to present it as if the vote was freely given to all men, who were united in their denying …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 09:28 PM
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I must say that I have watched them less and less, mostly because, while they used to be the rare ones to do long format discussions on such topics, in the mean time they have completely failed at improving their quality, even by adding some basic editing. I mean, if I have to wait 15mn of silence to get to the beginning of your video, which is then fraught with technical issues beyond belief, only to see that the video is about some kind of news drama I never cared about, I kind of move on. I u…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 05:14 PM
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I get that the early suffragette movement was in large part founded by wealthy, racist white women, but that doesn't mean they didn't have a point. Not being able to vote, and all the many other things women weren't legally allowed to do without the permission of a man(be it a father or husband), was kinda B.S. and they had every right to have beef with that. OK, so you recognise that the presentation that has been done of the movement for the past few decades and until relatively recently has b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 05:06 PM
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Basically ? The tyranny of female hypoagency and the Rationalisation hammster are playing tricks on us great apes with anxiety. Also How feminism conned society, and other not-so-tall tales...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 04:50 PM
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Keep in mind that this is a very modern state of thing, and that we are a bomb away from having to go back to hauling water by buckets. It is better to not analyse the past through the colored glasses of modernity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 04:34 PM
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I guess the reason I have more of an issue with what passes for feminism today, is that imo the first 2 waves of feminism had a helluva lot more of a point. That is mainly distance with those movements and years of PR campaigns by feminists making you say that. The first two waves were just as rabid and sexist and disconnected as "modern feminism" is. For example, the first wave was outraged that black men got the vote through conscription before privileged upper class white women (who wanted no…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 04:32 PM
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I am not sure I ever listened to any of her video essays. I listened to plenty of Karen Straughan and a few honeybadger radio.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 04:12 PM
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Yup. Peopke tend to underestimate their ideological bubbles. To quote from the wise words of Scott Alexander : https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ There are certain theories of dark matter where it barely interacts with the regular world at all, such that we could have a dark matter planet exactly co-incident with Earth and never know. Maybe dark matter people are walking all around us and through us, maybe my house is in the Times Square of a great…
/r/MensRights29/05/24 02:40 PM
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Which is precisely my point, "men" "having power" is actually some individuals using power in ways they fancy. And those ways have nothingness do with "men's interests" and all to do with their own views and biases. What matters is the individual's conception of what they have/want to do with their power. That is even the point of representative democracy : electing people who are not us but mandated to do what we require of them. In a functioning representative democracy, what matters is not wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 02:23 PM
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'Who have the power matters very little" this is silly It really isn't. What matters about power is how it is used. Who uses it doesn't matter. But if you think it is silly, then please explain how "who has power" matters over "how it is used".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 01:30 PM
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Men made up a third of domestic violence deaths in 2021/22 This stat is the one that angers me the most. Because it is the result and source of the most pernicious of feminist activities. Because it lacks one very important context : its evolution through time. Gender Differences in Patterns and Trends in U.S. Homicide, 1976–2015](https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/vio.2017.0016?journalCode=vio) is a paper that looks at that. Turns out that women used to die at about the same rate as men…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 12:11 PM
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Clearly the majority of powerbrokers in the West are still men, and in that sense society is male-dominated And in the ottoman empire, the majority of the positions of power were in the hands of the Janissaries. Slaves and eunuchs. Who has the power matters very little. On behalf of whom this power is used matters much more. In the same manner, who decides how to spend money matters much more than who has the money. You want to speak about how society is male dominated ? Show me evidence of men …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 11:51 AM
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Allowed might be a bit overexagerated. It is one of the only emotion that, when men express it, their man card is not put into question. You can be angry and still be considered a man. A dangerous one that needs to be contained or stopped, but a man still. That is what is being expressed when people say "men are only allowed to express anger"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 09:25 AM
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Relegated? In all times, you can find women doing the same jobs men did. There are for example paper trails of women being blacksmiths during the middle ages. Those women were few, and it usually was because they were orphans and widows. The first worker's rights movements were started because of women working in mines. If you ask most people who have children if they would rather spend more time in a job or with their kids, almost universally, men like women, they will answer they would rather …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 09:22 AM
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This sub has been this way for years. I don't see it become "subsumed by conservative trolls" anytime soon. Anyway, in my opinion, any men's rights advocacy is inherently left wing, as it is about advocating for the people nobody wants to advocate for. It is about fighting the quintessential gender role of malagency, and neither feminists nor traditionalists want any of that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 08:55 AM
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I would like to go to a place where I can express my opinion about what I think are modern feminism's many, many shortcomings without getting immediately perma-banned. You are in the right place. But my question to you would be "What do you call "modern" feminism ?" Because I can guarantee you that every single issue you might have with "modern" feminism can be traces back across time to the inception of the movement. Are you under the illusion that misandry is a new phenomenon in feminism ? The…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 08:50 AM
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Do you realise that, on a societal scale, 20 years is but a blimp ? Basically, it is just enough to start to see the effects on a generation raised with it. People in their mid to late 30s who make up the bulk of the newly risen workforce, still got raised in an environment relatively free of it, and there is a difference between being exposed later in life and early in life. It is people in their mid to late 20s who were raised with it in the environment, and who start to be the new people in m…
/r/MensRights27/05/24 07:08 AM
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Lots of assertions, very little in terms of proof. Basically, this post looks more like you declaring your gut feelings to be facts than anything else. Are women's achievements really undercelebrated nowadays? When looking at the media, sometimes it looks like they are trying to overcomplicated, praising women for the simple fact they exist. So I would be curious to see actual data on whether women do not receive the praise they deserve nowadays, or if it is just like the "discrimination in hiri…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/24 06:43 AM
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Of course the UN Women is involved...
/r/MensRights23/05/24 06:27 AM
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When the alternative is Biden, the guy who destroyed a gender neutral DV law to replace it by the feminist hellscape that is VAWA, the guy that exemplify all that is wrong with the feminist movement, particularly as a male advocate, you should be able to see beyond tribalism and realize that for some people, creepy Joe is even more unacceptable than trump is. Frankly, failing to be able to understand why some people might legitimately support someone other than Biden is more like an empathy fail…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/24 05:48 AM
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I would not say it is 0. Like with all cults, the irrationality of the belief doesn't preclude from people genuinely holding them. Though, yeah, clearly there is an aspect of it just being performative misandry. And like you said, no matter if it is a genuine belief or just blatantly displaying their hatred, that the figure is so big is concerning anyway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/24 01:15 AM
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Thanks. Feel free to use it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/24 08:02 PM
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You say this as if it is some kind of victory against misandry that something north of 1/3 of women would be more trusting of a bear o er a man and another significant portion would be unsure. We are talking of a level of delusion that is frankly astounding.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/24 07:54 PM
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Psychoanalysis can eat my ass. Context : I'm French, and friend with quite a few psychologists. France is one of the last bastions of pure psychoanalysis. Not the version mixed with scientific psychology that can be found over in the US. I'm talking about the kind that was practiced by Freud and Lacan. And it has done quite a lot of damage over here. Psychoanalysts have been keeping out the more scientific approaches, hogging the limelight and making French people equivocate psychology and psych…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/24 02:07 PM
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I haven't watched the video. I tend to enjoy long format videos, but the style of this one, at least for the first few minutes, was really not to my taste. From what I saw, it really looked like one more "my tribe is better than the other tribe, who are really stupid". It felt like a "debunking quantum physics" video, which starts with a series of videos by various influencers quoting deepak chopra, and praising the virtues of quantum healing. With such a start, combined with the style, I felt I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/24 12:09 PM
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There is something special with feminism in that regard. Feminism couldn't cut it when using the scientific method, and so all the feminism tainted fields could only rely on the BS methods, and on setting up their parallel parody of the scientific institutions to grab some of that sweet veneer of legitimacy, as long as people are still trusting of science and uninformed enough about it to realise that peer review in itself is only ever as good as the criterion used by the peers in their review. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/24 11:59 AM
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Peterson is clearly right wing and a tradcon. Bootstraps is kind of expected. But Reeves is presented everywhere as some kind of left wing champion for men, and so that is much more disappointing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/24 05:58 AM
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Exactly. I grew up in a time and place and social bubble where being a man just meant being male. And being a woman just meant being female. Some were effeminate men, and were no less men for it, some were butch women, and were no less women for it. Playing dress up in skirts, or with a dining set didn't make you any less of a boy and wasn't even considered as an issue. Basically, that was the ideal of equality. Let people be who they want to be. Who gives a fuck ? Years later, a friend of mine …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/24 09:38 PM
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The reason I went to "cult" rather than "alternative subculture" is the element of embracing something unfalsifiable and disconnected from reality. Goths have a particular style of clothing, and some kind of musical tastes. Same for punks, along with some lifestyle. Kinks are just a questionnof taste. None of those require you to believe in some preposterous thing. Most of the goths I know are completely atheistic, despite the wearing of crosses and the deeply Christian imagery attached to it. "…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/24 07:16 PM
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Well, the modern MRM is often co sidereal to have been fathered by Warren Farrell, and the guy is left leaning if anything. I am not entirely sure about the politics of Karen Straughan. She has stated several time her pro-choice position, and a few other stances that sound really left leaning, though. The Prim reaper, who's part of the honey badgers, is very left leaning, and a psychologist very dedicated to men's issues. ... To be honest, the very principle of men's rights is quite left leaning…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/24 08:45 AM
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I profoundly dislike Reeves and his preposterous idea of redshirting boys. There has been studies after studies showing a feminist bias against boys in education, not to mention the impact of fatherlessness, but the guy basically goes "nah, none of this has to change, what we need to do is just delay men even further and all will be fine". Fuck him.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/24 08:34 AM
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From everything I can see, from an outsiders perspective, the "non-binary" thing has all the hallmark of a controlling mechanism from a cult. It is basically the same kind of thing as the jehovah's witnesses having kids go door to door to proselytise. It is there to Foster rejection by the out-group of something intrinsic to the identity of the in-group. You make your in-group be tied to something absurd and annoying to the out-group. Inevitably, the in-group faces ridicule and hostility due to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/24 08:30 AM
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I would be curious to see stats on that, accompanied with the reasons for it. For example, it is somewhat established that men tend to be willing to move further away for their job. In which case, it might just be that men live further away from their family than women. If you have a day of travel to see your family, but your wife's family is in the next town, then it would not be surprising that you see her family more often than yours, without anything particularly nefarious going on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/24 08:08 AM
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If everywhere you go, people tell you the same thing, maybe you should consider it. Look, you can try to play with definitions, as if it changed anything to the meaning people actually try to convey to you, which is : this is bigotry and hate based on accident of birth, this is holding people guilty for things they did not do. It is frankly a very stupid thing to do, one that harms yourself as much as it harms others. It is one of the basest character trait to exhibit, and you would be a better …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/24 06:29 AM
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These White feminists A term used by intersectionalists, a racist ideology, which blames other people's ideological defects on their race. The fact is that settler colonizer women None of the people alive today are "settler colonizers". The "sin of the parents" don't actually fall back on the children, let alone several generations later. All this kind of language do is breed resentment and racial hatred. being on stolen indigenous land Pretty much all human tribes, at some point, "stole" their …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/24 07:30 AM
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Please, kindly take that racist crap elsewhere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/24 07:13 AM
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Yup. This stat is my go to reference when explaining how stats may be manipulated in a deceptive way, while still being 100% accurate. Almost nobody ever think "I wonder how this stat evolved over the last 50 years", people don't stop to consider that we are talking about two populations who have not the same access to the same resources. People don't consider that helping women escape violence might not have the expected effect of reducing the number of women killed, but might instead reduce th…
/r/MensRights12/03/24 11:14 AM
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It is purely unintentional on feminism's part, and the simple fact that the researcher restrained from pointing out that therefore helping male victims of DV would save women's lives, along with things like what is discussed in The feminist case for acknowledging women's acts of violence which "describes this limited response to women as perpetrators of domestic violence as a feminist “strategy of containment.” When deploying this strategy, domestic violence advocates respond to women’s acts of …
/r/MensRights12/03/24 10:58 AM
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"Sometimes"... As far as I have seen, almost any time the choice presented itself, powning men took precedence over helping women.
/r/MensRights12/03/24 10:49 AM
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That is because this stat is one of the most deceptive there is. If you learn a bit about how it evolved, you wouldn't say that. It used to be at equality. It is the I troduction of services for battered women that reduced the number of men killed https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1bco6uv/22_of_partner_killings_are_the_woman_killing_the/kuhr3ju/
/r/MensRights12/03/24 08:09 AM
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Gender Differences in Patterns and Trends in U.S. Homicide, 1976–2015 is a paper that looks at that. Turns out that women used to die at about the same rate as men, but as various services for women became available, it is the number of men killed that diminished. Here is what they had to say. "Among all the results already reported, perhaps the most striking and important surrounds the trends in intimate partner homicide, particularly in the context of ongoing efforts to curtail domestic violen…
/r/MensRights12/03/24 08:03 AM
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The short version ? (My other commentary covered only the first sentence, and was already longer than the OP. And there would be as much to be said about almost every sentence) This reads like the mad ravings of a hateful lunatic, untethered to reality, one who has never talked to a man in her life, let alone observed humanity. This reads like a condescending attempt by a racist to look like they are being charitable towards the inferior race. "The jew can not control its urge to indulge in bank…
/r/MensRights12/03/24 07:49 AM
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Males as a group have and do benefit the most from patriarchy Of course... we all know that men, whenever given the opportunity, use their power to seek favors from lower ranked men. That is absolutely how the world work. They would never use that power to benefit women, whom they scorn in every way possible. And women are in no way inclined to be attracted to powerful men, or to trade favors with them. Which is why Harvey Weinstein is famous for abusing his power helping men willing to submit t…
/r/MensRights12/03/24 07:39 AM
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Neither one is more important than the other, it just so happens that in the world of capitalism competency and the ability to outcompete other people is the most important quality to get you ahead. In an hypothetical world where the way to get ahead to underwater basket weaving, then it woukd still be men striving the most for it. Capitalism or not, there will always be differences and hierarchies, and people competing on those. Women also compete in their hierarchies, and viciously so, for man…
/r/MensRights12/03/24 07:13 AM
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When the game is rigged against you, sometimes, the only winning move is not to play...
/r/MensRights10/03/24 11:39 AM
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I'm "meh" about that. If the price to get a seat at the table is to becomes men's lib, might as well not bother trying to get a seat at the table. Controlled oppositions are more controlled than they are oppositions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/24 06:52 PM
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Not hopeful, of course, are the reactions at the end of the article of ‘liberal’ elite types, suggesting something sinister and reactionary is going on This annoys me to no end. The use of terms like "progressive" and "reactionary ". Both mean exactly the same thing, except for the bias of the people talking, and the kind of shaming they try to use. Both means seeking to change an aspect of society. "Progressive" just make it sound like it is "going foreward", or "opposing for the sake of improv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/24 06:07 PM
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While it is always nice to see more people starting to get somewhat aware. I am always annoyed by the "but it is a new phenomenon " This is a problematic claim, because it asserts that all people within a group are oppressors, and that supposedly those within a privileged class cannot be victims themselves. But worse – some feminists (RadFem morons and TERFs) engage in reverse bio essentialism. The same horrendously racist, toxic garbage used to stigmatize blacks (bio essentialism, scientific ra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/24 05:44 PM
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It is what we call a conspiracy theory. Or a bogeyman. Or the god of the gaps.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/24 06:40 PM
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Like I said... no understanding of science on your part....
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/24 06:50 AM
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The term you are looking for is "conspiracy theory"
/r/MensRights07/03/24 05:04 PM
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Yes, that was a thing, but that's not what Heterofatalism is. Political lesbianism is actively making the choice to become a "lesbian" despite not being so. Heterofatalism is, again, acknowledging that one is straight and hating that fact, but not trying to deny it or get with women. (They instead wish they could and lament that they can't) So sure, the ideas may be related (Hell, they probably came from the same mindset), but their individual mode of operation are completely and totally alien t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/24 11:03 AM
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Some concepts need repeating and spreading. Feminism, traditionalism, double standards. One cause : malagency
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/24 08:39 AM
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The joy of working in science, where the rare women are just as nerdy and autistic as the guys.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/24 08:35 AM
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I read that in Henry Calvil as Geralt's voice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/24 08:33 AM
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Also to them men are either the superheroes or supervillains of society. One word : malagency
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/24 08:27 AM
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Going back a bit, this term started on the sub "Arethestraightsok" (No linking in case that's considered a no no). This was basically a term the users there started using in order to describe a phenomenon where straight women hated the fact they were straight, and then it of course caught on with the feminist movement, where it has slowly but surely been gaining popularity. Look, I know it is fancy to claim that only some of the most recent of strains of feminism went bad while all the previous …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/24 08:13 AM
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The thing that annoys me with this kind of remarks is... if you go simplistic and nuanceless enough, pretty much everything can be made to sound like a good idea at the basis. Homeopathy is just using something that triggers the symptoms in a small dosage to train the organism to fight back. That seems like a good idea, it just was taken wrong. Realistically there is merit. Nazism is just the idea that similar people have it easier working together. That seems like a good idea, it was just taken…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/24 08:02 AM
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The issue is more that it's an academic theory, so it's looking to be capital-K Knowledge, and that strips out basically all of the nuance and the context As a scientist, I have to object and scream at the top of my lungs. This is possibly one of the biggest damage that feminist pseudoscience has wrought upon society : the destruction of the understanding in trust into science. Intersectionality, gender theory and everything related is about as scientific as intelligent design. It just managed t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/24 07:50 AM
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Personally, Crenshaw does not seem to deny the existence of discrimination against men. However, on the Internet, her concept has been taken to extremes by cultural feminists. Have you actually read "mapping the margins"? The whole paper is a bigoted creed saying "bigotry failed us because we didn't use it to play to win". I made a post looking into the theory behind intersectionality, and let me tell you it is not pretty in theory either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/24 07:16 AM
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This was discussed about 2 years ago, and here was my answer
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/24 07:10 AM
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Women are the biggest voting block. In addition to there being more women, a higher percentage of women vote. Something like 53% of voters were female in recent Presidential elections. You might have the causality arrow reversed. If the political offer was a choice between various strands of libertarianism, the biggest voting Block would be men, because most libertarians are men, and those who are not interested and do not feel représente would not bother to vote. The current french president ha…
/r/MensRights06/03/24 08:55 PM
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Feminism, traditionalism, double standards. One cause : malagency
/r/MensRights06/03/24 08:43 PM
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Why do I think you have adeep misunderstanding of science ? Well, because of all that you said. There is no need to have a deep intimate knowledge of you as a person to see that, in very much the same manner that there is no need to have a deep knowledge of the Christian who says "if man descends from monkeys, why is there still monkeys ?" to know they have a deep misunderstanding of evolution. A misunderstanding that is probably too deep to be corrected through a reddit comment. And probably to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/24 08:04 AM
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Are you aware of the concept of malagency ? This sub basically oppose malagency. That means being opposed to the blaming of masculinity for all the evils of the world. But this also means opposing treating men like beasts of burden whose service is expected, "the bare minimum". I hope this clarifies your confusion.
/r/MensRights05/03/24 07:04 AM
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https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/borderline-personality-disorder
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/24 06:42 AM
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many have described feminism as an attack by borderline on autism. Borderline fails to see the distinction between themselves and others, lot of projection, lot of very high emotions and expectations for others to read minds. autism fails to read social cues, or to understand well even their own emotions. Almost polar opposites.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/24 08:00 PM
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part 4/4 Sexism and misogyny are still rampant and ruining lives, even in the west where it's significantly better than it was. We're not blaming any particular dude for the fact that doctors statistically take women's pain less seriously, but we are asking to talk about it. Part of my answer is that I think there are a lot of small things that are being missed (just like there are a lot of realities of men's struggles that feminists are missing), but the conversation on both sides isn't open Th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/24 07:44 PM
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part 3/4 You claim feminism is good and you just have to "get rid of the bed bugs". I offer you two cases to consider : a feminist leader says something misandristic a feminist leader says something transphobic Now, please tell me about which one will cause the most noise in feminist communities. And then tell me why I should believe you when you say feminism cares about men. In fact, don't bother trying to convince me. Convince yourself. There is such a thing as a term designed specifically to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/24 07:44 PM
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part 2/4 that's been around since women started politely requesting to vote. Your history of feminism would benefit from getting info from actual historians. You know, the "conflict of interests" I mentioned before. Back when universal suffrage wasn't yet a thing, there were calls to include women to vote. It was mostly the left who opposed it, mostly because they feared that the inclusion of women would just add more upper class people voting, skewing the vote right. Then came war, and the draf…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/24 07:42 PM
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OK, I'll try the longer version. part 1/4, next in reply I consider myself a feminist because I believe in gender equality I reject feminism because I believe in gender equality. Many more people believe in gender equality than consider themselves feminists, so feminism clearly doesn't have a monopoly on gender equality. But does feminism really support gender equality, though ? Because from what I have seen, feminismnis one of the main force opposing it. I'm not talking of you and your friends,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/24 07:40 PM
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It started off with "mapping the margins" par Kimberlé Crenshaw Over the last two decades, women have organized against the almost routine violence that shapes their lives.1 Drawing from the strength of shared experience, women have recognized that the political demands of millions speak more powerfully than the pleas of a few isolated voices. This politicization in turn has transformed the way we understand violence against women. For example, battering and rape, once seen as private (family ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/24 07:08 AM
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You seem to have a very deep misunderstanding of science, what it is, how it works, why it works, why it is important and so on. You also seem to mistake philosophy and sophistry. Not that it surprises me given that your degree is in pseudoscience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/24 01:03 PM
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Yeah... this answer is pretty much what I expected. Nothing new under the sun. To give it a thorough answer will require more time (and space) than I have available right now. I hope to do it later, but 'll give you a short version : I have to point out how priceless it is to quote a paper by feminists saying "we studied feminism and did not find we were sexist" only to move on by critiquing "throwing like a girl" (an expression still based on a biological reality of a difference in athletic pro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/24 12:33 PM
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It is not "philosophies". The appropriate word is "ideology". And it is pseudoscience. It makes plenty of "scientific" claims. The claims on the wage gap, the claims on the nature and numbers of DV or sexual violence, and more. All of those deserve being scientifically studied. That is why it is in the academia. To make it look like it is science to try to gain some of science's credibility through a layman's misunderstanding of what is science and what makes it valuable. It masquerades as scien…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 09:27 PM
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I believe the answer was very well put by Karen Straughan in her video rationalisation hamster
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 11:54 AM
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Even if men had been included, I would be reticent because it is pseudoscientific. It is a field that embrace "the blank slate", a field that even reject the pursuit of objectivity. I want nothing to do with it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 09:20 AM
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Once again with the trojan horse. Gender studies is basically state sponsored pseudoscientific bigotry. I am not interested in aligning with it, or being associated with it. At this point, the best thing that can happen is for those programs to be scrapped and maybe reinitiated by people who actually know how to do science, including fields such as neurobiology and evolutionary psychology, in addition to sociology and anthropology. When the field teaches more Robert Sapolsky than it does kimberl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 09:18 AM
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which makes me wonder whether we should be doing something altogether different if we want to see social progress. It is called "treating people as individuals rather than as representatives of groups". There was a guy once who said "I have a dream that people will be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin". If you have read "mapping the margins", the paper at the origin of intersectionality, it is stated explicitly that intersectionality rejects this worldview and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 09:07 AM
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Intersectionality was created by bigots who wanted to use identity politics at their advantage. It is the bigots way to nearing treating people like individuals while still relying on group judgement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 09:03 AM
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Doesn't it bother you that a program supposedly about "gender studies" or sociology never even broached two points of such magnitude as the gendered draft and the gendered difference in life expectancy ? It seems a bit like teaching physics only with the wave aspect, while leaving out the particle aspect. You hope to work for a think-tank while having such a degree. But you seem to disagree a lot with what the program teaches. Aren't you worried that any think tank that values gender studies wou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 08:59 AM
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It's been more than a year, and given how reddit works, those messages are probably impossible to find. So, I can't really answer that question.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 10:13 PM
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Part of the point though is that those things were addressed then, and indeed, several times prior to the later instances of gamergate tm. Look, things are simple once tou realise feminism is a powergrab. To the extent that there is anything even remotely close to honest criticisms being made by feminists, those are mostly irrelevant. The main point is about powergrab. So all the criticisms may be addressed again and again and again, it doesn't impact feminism, because there is only a tiny minor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 08:36 PM
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in my experience, I've literally never encountered someone who can make specific claims of the intersectionalist sort, I suspect tbh because the theory is really only actually applicable on a societal level. It can inform us of societal trends, but on a more granular level, it doesn't cut it. It just doesn't manifest itself on an individual, or even small community level. That is not a bug, that is a feature. You need to understand, the whole point of intersectionality is to enable identity poli…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 08:13 PM
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It's different in the sense that anti-white racism is quite rare, and heterophobia is super super rare. It all depends in which circles you hang around.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 07:15 AM
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But of course, everyone took this and ran with the idea that if you are perceived to have any kind of social, financial, or political power it is literally impossible for you to be victimized You are still too generous. All it takes is for your demographic group to be perceived to have any kind of power. That is how they discount homelessness, for example. It is something that happens mostly to men. And men have power. (Therefore the homeless have power).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 07:13 AM
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Yes. And people have been saying this since at least Obama. When trump got elected first, it came as a shock to many. It didn't shock me as I had been listening to people from the MRM, anti feminists, and so on, interviewing some of those trump supporters saying those exact same points : the left has given up on whites, straights, men, and workers, and keep spitting in their face, calling them.a bunch of déplorable, and many were saying they planned to vote trump as a "fuck you" to all of those.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 07:02 AM
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No problem. Whenever you have the time. I get that life happens.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 06:37 AM
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You seem much more aware of all that than I am. All I know is that when ibtried to participate in that sub, à few years ago, moderation was heavily biased, and the justification given was that it had to.be so to ensure continued participation from feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 06:35 AM
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My comment, as explicited further down, was about the mods tolerating and playing along the bullying. That is the kind of nonsense that is not indulged here. The shutting down of people at the slightest cry of misogyny, when all that is done is challenging ideas. That's not how we roll.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 12:28 AM
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Time for my regular relinking to my post Feminism, traditionalism, double standards. One cause : malagency
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 08:08 AM
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This post was not about lurkers, but about people who participate. Lurkers could as well not be here, as they don't participate. They don't make posts or comments, by definition. As such, they can't "overrun" a sub. I have two question for you, if you are willing to engage : Why do you consider yourself a feminist ? What are those things we are missing that would deepen our perspective?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 08:00 AM
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Why do you suppose that subs like this don't get overrun by feminists? The moderation and crowd tolerates no nonsense. Feminism will overrun the slightest space provided this space gives them an inch. We don't. It has been seen pretty much everywhere people tolerate the slightest bit of feminist bullying. If people attempt to placate unwarranted insults of "misogyny", then in a heartbeat, feminism will overrun the space. "You disagree with us ? That's because you are a misogynist. And misogyny n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 07:46 AM
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What is the perspective taught on the pursuit of objectivity ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 04:01 PM
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I haven't seen that show, but from what I have seen of "the boys", pretty much everyone, particularly sups, is portrayed as all kind of fucked up insane and abusive, no ?
/r/MensRights23/02/24 09:14 AM
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I'll give the answer I would give in the reverse cases : The character committing that act is portrayed as insane and a criminal. Of course she will do fucked up things, and that is not "legitimizing" those things, same as Joker robbing a bank and burning money can be an inconic part of a character that is widely aclaimed as an excellent character without it being legitimizing such actions. Stop with the outrage porn.
/r/MensRights23/02/24 09:09 AM
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Yeah, but when making a post, particularly in a different sub that has no interaction with ours, discussing a theoretical concept, it is useful to include an explanation of the concept. For clarity. I'm not too active on reddit, and so I didn't even see that post from yesterday, even though it is in this sub. So... As for that concept... Well, it is queer theory alright. Same as all those other "theories", with a new and improved flavour. Basically, it is the same thing with a different bogeyman…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 07:38 AM
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Are you familiar with the prim reaper : incels, why empathy works better than derision. Compassion for incels is something you will find in any mrm oriented space worth its salt.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 07:10 AM
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not familiar with queer theory enough to know what that concept is, and I woukd have found it helpful if you had added a quick explanation of it. Not that wish to become much more familiar with queer theory, given it is rooted in critical theory, which is essentially hateful BS at its core. But it is helpful to have an idea of what you are trying to point at.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 06:49 AM
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it's a line of thinking very similar to those who claim being pro-diversity ("woke") is anti-white/straight. You can find scholarly articles after scholarly articles, and examples after examples, saying very clearly that "diversity and inclusion" means "other than white/straight/cis/male". It is in the direct line of feminism that claims to be about "equality" when pushing for misandry. It is based off the "progressive stack", the ranking in the oppression olympics. It is the summum of bigotry, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 08:15 AM
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Although official statistics show that men are a majority of offenders, and women are a majority of victims By design. That is, the people gathering stats use definitional tricks to discount male victims of female perpetrators, for example, by not counting "made to penetrate" as rape. Or by collecting data in "violence against women" services. (Guess how many men would go to them ?). Or by doing surveys on memory and reporting only lifetime data, when it has been shown over and over that memory …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 11:52 PM
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Well, feminism was net positive for the humanity. It gave women equal rights - they can work, educate, own property, vote, have equal citizenship etc. I'm not that confident in that reading of history. You should probably not be either. Feminism is incredibly adept at one thing : PR. Beside that, it usually make à mess out of things, get set straight by other people who were pushing for similar things for different motives, but then step in and claim the credit. A bit like the Christians who are…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 11:39 PM
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No, it is not "only men pay tax". It is "most of the people having a positive cumulative net fiscal impact are men". It doesn't mean that all men do, and it doesn't mean that no women do. Let's not abuse the statistics and descend into petty generalisations like feminists so often do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/24 10:16 AM
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"Stopped" implies it once was.
/r/MensRights14/02/24 01:30 PM
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If everybody is at fault all of the time, then it is up to the authority to arrest anyone arbitrarily. That is the answer to why such a double bind. This is how you turn rule of law into tyranny, while not looking like it. Have you heard of Julian Assange ?
/r/MensRights13/02/24 08:29 AM
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I think you might be getting at the concept of malagency
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 09:18 AM
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All of them ? That would suppose there are some widely known men's rights issues, and I don't believe we are anywhere near that yet.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 09:10 AM
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My use of "progressive" was relating to the dichotomy of progressive/Conservative, that is, the axis of wanting to keep things as they are (don't fix what isn't broken) vs wanting to change things from what they are (improvements are necessary). As such, men's rights is very much a progressive ideal, and most certainly not a Conservative one. As for liberalism, obviously, since it is for less control, it is basically seeking to remove power from politicians hands. Politicians don't want that. Th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 04:58 PM
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I feel men's rights, the way things are, is fundamentally a left wing progressive cause. It is about championing the rights of those most downtrodden for whom nobody in society wants to care, about changing the social order as a way to improve things for everyone. That it has been associated with the right is baffling to me. The sub Mensrights is more known, and has also become a refuge for the various manosphere communities that got canned by reddit, like incel and mgtow. This sub is more "pure…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 08:26 PM
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God I miss the days of Obama Obama, as potus, made a public statement about women earning 77cts on the dollar for the same work. Someone can't reach that position being that economically illiterate. That statement wasn't a mistake, it was an applause light. It was a sign of him bowing all the way down to the crazies in feminism. A virtue signal of the highest order. Make of that what you will. And while it surprised many that he was replaced by Trump, just by hanging out in non feminist spaces, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 07:58 AM
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TERFs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 07:45 AM
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Have you heard of JK Rowling ? Feminists have no issue drawing a line with regard to what they find unacceptable. It's just that misandry is not unacceptable to them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 07:45 AM
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The good feminists never seem to hold the bad feminists accountable That is absolutely false. You might be slightly aware of some small controversy between feminists, where they don't hesitate to hold accountable those who have bad opinions. Something to do with how they view trans people. They have a term for those "bad people". TERF. There is the same thing going on with sex work, and so is the term SWERF born. Strangely, though, we don't see anything coming anywhere close to that when it come…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 07:43 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/18xoc6v/comment/kg926w7/ Particularly the last part. The opening of help for female victims of DV diminished the number of men killed, but barely changed the number of women killed. All seems to indicate that the best way to diminish the number if women killed is to provide help to male victims of DV. Feminist misandry has been costing women their lives since several decades.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 07:24 AM
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My guess ? A few months ago, the old mod team moved away in protest against reddit shenanigans toward kbin. Then some drama ensued, there was changes in moderation, and so after loosing some of the main contributors and moderators, and a change in the mod team, the feel of the sub is slowly shifting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 07:19 AM
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While it is true, many have called feminism a weaponising of borderline against autism. Basically, taking oversensitive women's feelings as if they are facts and social awkwardness by men as purposeful hostility. You know, the "believe all women" crowd. The "John was drunk, Jane was drunk, they had sex, John raped Jane" crowd. Feminism is malagency on steroid, so while it is an aspect present in pretty much all of society, it is even more saliently present in spaces with a heavy feminist presenc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/24 06:34 PM
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Innocent/naive is the word you are looking for, i would say. Innocuous is "trivial, harmless". You can innocently/naively say something that is actually hurtful to the person, even though you don't mean to. That's called putting your foot in your mouth. Like asking to a woman when the baby is due when she is just fat, not pregnant. It's innocent, but it is not innocuous.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/24 06:24 PM
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Well, to be fair, I'm friend with quite a few women working in the female dominated fields of healthcare. And it is mean girls on steroids, that kind if work. Backstabbing, not talking to each other, never confronting issues, relational aggression like you wouldn't imagine. The whole thing supervised by people who got there for their lust for power over weak people (psychiatric patients, the mentally handicapped, etc...). Even if the work was more interesting than whatever I am doing right now (…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/24 07:50 AM
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Feminism is about feminism's interests first. It regularly sacrifices women's interests on the altar of feminism. The most obvious example is with its attitude towards DV. DV is a problem of people learning dysfunctional patterns of behavior, often through being themselves abused. Feminism disregard for female abusers and male victims means that there are plenty of abused people left unhelpful, a minority of whom will go on to become abusive, making sure the issue is perpetuated. It is sacrifici…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/24 04:39 PM
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I don't think an unborn child should be killed just because BOTH people conceiving it were irresponsible and that's what it comes down to. "Those people are irresponsible. What they really need in their lives is a child. What could possibly go wrong?"
/r/MensRights24/01/24 04:25 PM
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I'm under the impression that we are talking of two different things. The topic is women needing the signature of the father to be able to get an abortion. We are not talking of opt in / opt out Legal paternity surrender.
/r/MensRights24/01/24 04:17 PM
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Regarding VPS, like many MRAs, I really dislike opt out options. They are incredibly easy to abuse, and fail to take I to account the fundamental asymmetry of knowledge regarding conception. The only way for a man to be made aware that he is about to become a father is through the mother. Assuming there is no doubt on the paternity. Condition (a) for example, can easily be fooled by the mother retaining knowledge of her pregnancy until the father's choice is removed. (B) is also kind of weird an…
/r/MensRights24/01/24 04:05 PM
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Regarding slide 2, It is often recommended to speak of "safer" sex, instead of safe sex, because it is never 100% safe. Accidents happen.
/r/MensRights24/01/24 03:52 PM
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Yeah, and what's the delay on getting that result ? It's not as if this was a time sensitive situation. Assuming, of course, that she can even find the man who is the father and get him to comply with getting DNA tested. Which is far from obvious. And causes all sorts of issue when taking the exemplary case of a woman becoming pregnant as a result of a rape.
/r/MensRights24/01/24 03:51 PM
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There is a huge asymmetry, which necessitate the decision to be one sided. A woman knows she is about to have a child much more easily than a man. Requiring a signature from the father is kind of preposterous. Either you require some kind of test to make sure the man signing is the father, or it is virtually worthless. Any woman could grab any man, have him sign the paper, and all is good, she can abort. What are we going to do ? Punish the people who signed to abort a foetus they didn't sire ? …
/r/MensRights24/01/24 01:24 PM
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I always dislike opt out systems. They are virtually useless as a protection against abuse. Opt in systems are the way to go.
/r/MensRights24/01/24 01:16 PM
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There once was a man called Earl Silverman. He had opened a shelter for abused men. It was so impossible to get any attention and help that he ended up taking his own life, dying in obscurity. A few years later, Cassie Jaye made "the red pill" movie. And suddenly, the interest for male shelters increased, and several successfully opened. I can't help but think that people like you want more Earl Silverman and fewer Cassie Jaye. Before action must come advocacy and awareness raising. The reason C…
/r/MensRights24/01/24 11:13 AM
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No. I'm not saying education is u related. How much you earn is related to what you study and what you do. It is just that we are terribly bad at estimating how each education is related to earning. Like you pointed out, philosophy will not make you a big earner. So it is not just that studying by itself will make you earn. It is studying "the right thing" that will help you earn. Particularly once you control for IQ. Someone with the same iq, going into psychology, engineering, philosophy, theo…
/r/MensRights19/01/24 12:13 PM
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You want to know a secret ? Most of my clinical psychologist female friends make more money than me and most of the engineers I know. I have a friend who didn't go into higher Ed, started working straight out of high school, and was making more money than I was as a beginner engineer long before I finished my studies. In fact, most trades probably earn more than engineering. And schools are absolutely abysmal at steering you where the money is, let alone where it will be. Sure, there's not much …
/r/MensRights19/01/24 11:43 AM
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Frankly, very few people study in the goal of finding a job. The education system is terrible at informing you of what is currently a field in demand, and is even worse at predicting what will be in demand in 5years. The general approach is "study something you find interesting and hope for the best". Human psychology is fascinating. Particularly if you are more i terested in people than things. It is not too hard either. And more importantly, it is rather useful in a personal sense. Most people…
/r/MensRights19/01/24 11:12 AM
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"What they study doesn't pay" is different from "what they study is useless". And when you say they're studying either useless fluff like psychology or else getting BAs in very low paying fields Then it follows logically that you mean "useless" I'm a sense other than low paying. Like I pointed out, many people woukd benefit from having more knowledge of psychology, be it only for being better functioning humans themselves. So even if people study psychology but don't make money off it or use it …
/r/MensRights19/01/24 10:44 AM
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they're studying either useless fluff like psychology Of all the fields you could have picked... Psychology is far from useless. I am friend with quite a few psychologists. They have helped people struggling with addictions, with phobias, with old, they have helped parent understand better how to educate their kid, in a way that will help the kid be much less fucked up, and so much more. Psychology is a really useful field, and everybody would benefit from knowing more about it. One person was s…
/r/MensRights19/01/24 09:21 AM
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A lot of the trick lies in how you define things. For example, rape is defined as the penetration of the victim. As a result, by definition, rape is a crime committed overwhelmingly by men, and overwhelmingly on women. In parallel, you may (or may not, if you are not interested at all in fairness) define "made to penetrate", which use the exact same definition, but with the victim being the person who penetrates. And, by definition, it is a crime committed overwhelmingly by women, and overwhelmi…
/r/MensRights18/01/24 07:34 PM
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When you hear that, usually, look at who is claiming it. That usually gives you the answer. Some have said, if everywhere you go, it smells like shit, maybe check your shoes.
/r/MensRights18/01/24 06:58 PM
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No need to take it that hard.
/r/MensRights18/01/24 12:26 PM
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That is precisely the point. Resources were provided to help women escape their abusers, and the number of men killed diminished from equality to its current level. Meanwhile, virtually no services were provided to help male victims, and the number of women killed barely changed. Given that pretty much all studies on the topic point to men and women having the same psychological impact from being victimized, there is little reason to belive that providing services to male victims of DV escape th…
/r/MensRights16/01/24 09:42 PM
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Recently, I was discussing with a feminist about the fact that the methodologies to produce rape statistics were defined by Mary Koss, a raging misandrist who made it so that male victims were ignored, making sure rhat even the "non misandrist feminists" who make the bulk of the activists peddle misandristic rhetoric because they have been fooled by a misandrist to believe data predicated on a faulty methodology. Her answer was pure magic : "I don't care what the methodology is, I know what the …
/r/MensRights16/01/24 06:59 PM
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The dominant ideology doesn't need to argue. It can simply try to dismiss you and hope things keep going the way they usually do. Arguing with you means risking people take your arguments seriously, or listen to them.
/r/MensRights16/01/24 11:18 AM
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One might note that they speak of "reported" sexual assaults, when saying more women than men are victims of those. And while this is true, studies on the question have found that men are much, much more likely to underrepresented sexual assault than women are. The usual stats are "men represent 1/3 of sexual assaults reported, but men underreport about 3 times more than women do". Which is consistent with the various surveys that find that men and women are roughly as often victims of sexual as…
/r/MensRights16/01/24 09:16 AM
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You view yourself as an agent, capable of acting and having an influence. Feminists view women as objects. Acting is not for objects. Objects don't have an influence, they have stuff happening to them. Suggesting an object should act is preposterous, scandalous and even malicious towards the object. Feminism is malagency on steroid.
/r/MensRights16/01/24 09:10 AM
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The simple answer : malagency Basically, the ultimate gender role is women as objects, men as agents. And feminismnis that gender role taken to 11. Women have things happen to them, and it is all men's responsibility. Men having to do things, to consider things, is obvious, not worth mentioning, normal and natural as breathing air. Women having to do things, consider things, is an unnatural burden, something outside of their role which must be prevented. Men need to work on it to fix it. Women s…
/r/MensRights16/01/24 09:06 AM
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The feminist case for acknowledging women's acts of violence is a feminist paper discussing how and why feminists have "engaged in strategies of containment", aka engaged in lies, fraud, data manipulation and threats as seen previously, regarding female perpetrated DV. Here are a few bits : Acknowledging women’s acts of violence may be a necessary—if uncomfortable—step to make dynamic the movement to end gendered violence. Why would a movement to end violence have any issue acknowledging some of…
/r/MensRights15/01/24 10:52 AM
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The helpseeking experience of male victimes of domestic violence is a paper documenting how men are received in services for victims. Most services are either feminist run or feminist trained. And it appears that the result is not pretty. So who are they ? Pretty much most feminists having any authority when it comes to services to DV victims. Thirty years of denying the evidences on gender symmetry is a paper documenting the various tactics feminist academics have used to try to prevent and kee…
/r/MensRights15/01/24 10:48 AM
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Here's a comment I made recently providing various useful links regarding DV But if your teachers are this biased, I think you might be fighting windmills.
/r/MensRights14/01/24 07:27 PM
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I’m not sure I really agree with / follow the reasoning all the way to the end. It explains that the increased services and laws to support female victims give them more ways out than killing a male partner. Thus reducing those rates It also point out that services for female victims have had barely any impact in reducing the number of women killed. Which suggest that DV rarely conduct to an abuser killing the woman they abuse. It obviously does happen, but it seems to be so far less common than…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/24 01:15 AM
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The whole intimate partner violence industry would be a good place to start. Feminists have purposefully set it up to neglect female perpetrators and male victims, in order to protect the feminist dogma of women as victims and men as perpetrators. That is in spite of all evidences pointing towards those not being gendered issues, and in spite of evidences showing, for example, that the best way to prevent women from dying killed by their partners might be to provide services for men. More detail…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/24 10:05 PM
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To be fair some feminists are lesbian separatists, so they can hurt men all they want, it never reaches their community. Well, it won't hurt them immediately, but then, either they are so successful that nobody ever reproduces again, and in one generation, their community is also dead, which one could consider as hurting it, or they aren't exactly that successful, and they set up things in a way that hurt the future generations birthed by non lesbians, and any lesbian separatist that grew up in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/24 06:33 PM
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Like all dogmatic ideology, feminism is first and foremost about itself, making itself more relevant, to make more money and gain more power. Feminism is not for women. Quite a few times, feminism has ignored what is best for women, when doing so wad more profitable for feminism. Like Warren Farrell said, when either sex wins, everyone lose. Caring about women means caring about men, and vice versa. Both are (and have always been) intricately linked. Women need men in their lives just like men n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/24 06:03 PM
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And if pigs had wings, they would fly. But absurd hypotheticals reflect nothing about reality, how it works or how society actually function or would have functionned.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 12:24 PM
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It's also absurd. The whole sexual dimorphism and the gender roles that developed as a consequence and all of societal attitudes that go along with it stem from the fact that one side gets pregnant and the other doesn't. If men got pregnant, they would have ended in the exact situation women are in, because, for all intent and purposes, the ability ro become pregnant is what made the biological and social category of women. If it was men who became pregnant, then women would be men, and men woul…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 09:16 AM
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Honestly, given how these people acted, I'm not sure you lost much by losing them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/24 09:43 PM
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"Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/24 10:10 AM
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Feminism missing completely how functional relationship and love work because it only view relationships through the lense of power struggles? Who would have thought?! Sarcasm aside, and to be fair, a lot of English speaking feminists seem to mix "emotional labour", which is more appropriate to describe the work of a psychologist and is utterly inappropriate in context of a relationship, and "mental load", another rather fuzzy concept but that is more appropriate. The "mental load" consists of a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/24 07:32 AM
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The justifications provided are ones of medical data security and privacy
/r/MensRights03/01/24 12:52 PM
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To be fair, looking on the Internet might not be the best of places. There are plenty of people who call themselves feminists, mostly because it is the fashionable thing to do and is associated by the public to basically "moral human being" in certain sphere in the same manner that many call themselves "christians" even though the only thing they "know" about the bible is that Jesus is a guy who told people to be nice and got crucified, and somewhere it says to not kill and not steal. Those peop…
/r/MensRights01/01/24 10:21 PM
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Yes, he is a tradcon, very clearly. Although one that is a little less heavy on the "protect and provide for women" and a little more oriented towards also having compassion for men, which, well, has been a breath of fresh air for many. Between the plague and the cholera, he is more a kind of flu. Not exactly a great alternative, but far better than the options available to the public. As for male advocates that are more politically neutral, there are people like Warren Farrell, I guess. The iss…
/r/MensRights23/12/23 11:28 AM
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I usually link to that series of blog posts: https://www.datagoneodd.com/blog/2015/01/25/how-to-lie-and-mislead-with-rape-statistics-part-1/ And say "by the same standard that only 2% of accusations are false, only 1% of accusations are true. Does that mean that you really shouldn't worry about getting raped?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/23 08:42 AM
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I'm familiar with street epistemology, and I have tried something like it enough times to see that it's much more difficult than they make it look, especially when dealing with people who have been heavily indoctrinated with feminist/postmodernist/"woke" subjectivism. Well, to be fair, particularly if you look at the video I linked, Anthony has years of practicing several times a week. It has become a second nature to him. If you look at the set of first videos he made, when he began, he was muc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/23 10:43 PM
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Yup. Precisely. Although I would clarify one point : even fairly bright people may be insecure regarding their intelligence, and thus have fragile egos. I know a few. As for the art of leading people towards the right conclusions on their own, are you familiar with street epistemology? It's a technique dedicated to get people to question their belief. It takes a lot of practice, but it is basically a combo of being non-confrontational, only asking socratic question, and reformulating what is bei…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/23 07:49 PM
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No. It just means that there are more or less palatable ways to say something to someone, and what that way is depends on each person. Not everyone likes things to be presented the same manner. You might want a direct approach and find insulting or condescending to you if someone use roundabout ways. Someone else might prefer some more roundabout ways and find the direct approach insulting and condescending. Or if you prefer : your not the only one in the world, bro, other people may think diffe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/23 06:30 PM
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I'm somewhere in between the firebrand and the conciliatory. Arguably a little bit more firebrand leaning. I will state things how I see them, but I will also make effort to present things in a way people might understand them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/23 10:53 AM
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for example, its easy to find people who are clearly coming from a feminist angle but think in a way that infantilizes women and denies their agency It's not a bug. It's a feature. The first feminist document, the "declaration of sentiment" states "the history of mankind is the history of the oppression of women by men". This is one of the most misandrist and misogynist statement possible. Erasing women's agency is exactly what it does. And that is what feminism is based upon. If you want an int…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/23 10:49 AM
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Some people like their truth raw and spicy, others prefer it coated with sugar. Hence why there is a place for all sorts of approach in the movement, hence why we have both Warren Farrell and Paul Elam.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/23 10:38 AM
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Welcome here. Glad you stepped out of 'slib, it's not a nice place. As per your point... distinction between misogynist people and misogynist sentiments Hey guys, did you know water was wet? That seems like a useful tool to use to discuss. I'm being tongue in cheek, but yeah, that's nothing new to us. Keep in mind, feminist messaging is pretty much omnipresent, and many of us are also former feminists. There is little left that could be learned from feminism that we haven't. (Edit : and what we …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/23 10:32 AM
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True, all that, when dealing with real people in real life. On the Internet, you are much more likely to end up talking to one kind of extremist or another, particularly with depersonalisation effects and the like due to being facing a screen, not a human. Although I have had some... unpleasant conversations with some more close minded feminists irl.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/23 02:38 PM
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By the way, I live in France, were links to scihub are blocked. For those interested, I recommend this comment by u/problem_redditor and the linked post by u/Oncefa2 https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/scged4/comment/hu6hl6h/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/23 02:22 PM
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This argument should be enough. Provided you are speaking to someone who has some empathy for men or some level of care for fairness. That's often the stumbling block. Look at u/MachoManShark answer below, and my reply to him, to know more about the actual topic, and get arguments that should even work if the person only cares about women. Now, if you end up talking to someone who prioritise hurting men over helping women, like prominent feminists tend to do, then there isn't much point to keep …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/23 02:14 PM
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https://domesticviolenceresearch.org/ Pask (partner abuse state of knowledge) is the biggest meta-analysis ever done on the topic of DV.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/23 02:04 PM
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These two first links are the reason why I consider the argument op wants discussed to be one of the most despicable of all. You see, those have been established for decades. The "battered wife syndrome" was coined as a way to explain those, and the feminist researchers made a point to carefully avoid to draw the appropriate conclusion. More help for female victims would prove useless to reduce that number, and in fact, it is providing more help to men which would actually reduce that number. Th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/23 01:55 PM
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Thinks what you will about the guy saying it, but I have not find it expressed better elsewhere : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9VM1UA0pCMQ Relationships take work, from both side, and to know how to renforce the behaviors you want in each others.
/r/MensRights05/12/23 05:57 PM
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Can you imagine the 60s and 70s with twitter and Instagram, let alone onlyfan? Orgies and drugs like never before and never after, on a background of Pink Floyd and Rolling Stones. Cults popping every other Facebook post.
/r/MenSupportMen01/09/23 01:19 PM
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There is a huge selection bias going, here. Instagram is not exactly the place where you are the most likely to encounter the young Einstein and Marie Curie. It is a platform that rewards shallowness, and so, it is shallow people you find on it. Do like most of the people you would like to meet and see, and stay away from those. Focus on yourself, stay away from the internet and its cancerous social medias. The previous generations were not necessarily much better, bit it was certainly much less…
/r/MenSupportMen01/09/23 12:07 PM
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One of the reason I love working in a scientific domain where I don't have to deal with a customer audience. Basically everyone I meet wears jeans and Tshirts. When you see a suit, you know you've met someone from marketing. (It is usually cue to flee far away)
/r/MensRights31/08/23 01:17 PM
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and we’re not talking stuff like running a women’s change room or women’s refuge where this is a valid criteria Change room, sure. Refuge ? The first employee of the first refuge, by Erin Pizzey, was a man, precisely so that the women there would get the experience of having a sane relationship with a non abusive man. It's feminist policy to ban men from refuges, and it doesn't help the refuge nor does it help the women there.
/r/MensRights31/08/23 08:30 AM
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Two things are infinite : human stupidity, and the universe. And I'm not certain about the universe.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/23 08:57 PM
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But i don't understand your sex work point couldn't homeless men do sex work too (for gay men,women) i know this is a very stupid question but we are having a light discussion here There is just not the same level of demand. You can try to open an onlyfan as a man, you won't earn nearly the same amount the average women user earn on that. Same with pornstars, male pornstars earning much less than female pornstars. I don't know if gay men are more willing to buy sex than straight women, but even …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/23 01:22 PM
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OK, imagine a circle representing "women who don't like penetration". Imagine a circle representing "lesbians". The sentence "women who don't like penetration are called lesbian" can be represented as the first circle being smaller and inside the second circle. That is called an inclusion. That can be also formulated "women who don't like to be penetrated are included in the group called lesbians". If you think about it, it means that there are elements of the group called lesbian that isn't ins…
/r/MensRights28/08/23 11:25 AM
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That plays a role, for sure. Getting to know how your body works, what makes you tick, what doesn't , where and how it feels good... and not being afraid to act for it. Men only have two hands, and often, one of those is necessary to maintain the position. A little help is enormously appreciated, not to mention that it is pleasant to get the feeling that you actually appreciate and want to participate in what is going on.
/r/MensRights28/08/23 11:17 AM
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Many men do have a rather high libido. That is one of those testosterone thing. And men are easier to reach physical arousal. But that soesn't mean we always want sex. All sorts of thing can make it so that we are not in the mood. Fatigue, stress, anxiety, sadness and so on. And that is without touching upon the various issues that can come up with age or other, and which result in difficulty to perform even if we would like to.
/r/MensRights28/08/23 11:09 AM
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Not the person you asked. 1-eq seems to be very debated among pshycologists but what's your opinion on studies showing a correlation between what's called eq and other positive stuff As other people have answered to you, and if you actually looked at the link, the issue is that EQ, to the extent it is somewhat defined correctly, is not something separate from intelligence. That is, measures of EQ are at best an ill-defined subset of IQ. So yes, they are going to be positively correlated to thing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/23 10:29 AM
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I'd be interested too. I tried I quick Google search and it seemed to indicate the reverse was true, although google-fu is not exactly the most reliable way to get informations.
/r/MensRights27/08/23 01:10 PM
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"When trying to address men's issues from an egalitarian perspective. It seems that many want to vilify the tools that misandrists have been using to vilify men during the last few decades. But some of these tools are the way that they are because feminism has coopted the egalitarian civil rights movement and misandrists have co-opted egalitarian tools vulnerable to misuse for misandrist purposes." Nope. Nope nope nope nope. No need to protect their Motte for them. Those ideas are shit from the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/23 11:16 AM
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I'm not sure that would necessarily get you what you expect. Bisexual men aren't really less likely to fetishize female bisexuality. Beside, even if women who are bisexual all preferred bisexual men, (which is far from obvious) that wouldn't, that wouldn't change that overall, a man admitting to bisexuality is still much more likely to be rejected for that than any woman ever is. Societal attitudes do influence a lot what people are willing to consider for themselves or declare themselves as.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/23 10:42 AM
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Being an outcast doesn't make one more thoughtful. Right. But being a minority definitely does. Not really, though. The person in a minority group knows more about the mainstream than people in the mainstream know about the minority. Maybe. But that was one of my points : that is a pretty low bar. In a lot of cases what the mainstream knows about the minorities" is pretty much 0. The average miniature train enthusiast knows more about what is on TV than the people who watch TV know about miniatu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/23 09:33 AM
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Glad that you are having a good time. I would like to use your message to go a bit meta on the topic. My intent is pure, feel free to disagree with me. From what I understand, the way trans identity makes sense is through thinking of proprioception. The sense that enables people to touch their nose with their eyes closed. The sense that tells you where your body parts are. When someone loose a body part, very often, they have a "fantom feeling" of that limb, they feel like it should be where it …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/06/23 10:55 AM
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Yup. Dick is awesome. Sadly for men interested in women, it seems that it's mostly men who share that opinion. Being seen as sexy and desired / craved is a very pleasant and liberating experience, and sadly, most men will never have it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/06/23 08:26 AM
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see men LOVE bisexual women, while women dislike bisexual men in a dating-context Yup. I have seen women recoil when learning I was bi, their interest fading into non-existence as soon as they learned about it. Meanwhile bisexuality in women is seen as sexy by men to the point that "bisexual" as a keyword for porn only signal male bisexuality. Female bisexuality seems to not need to be signaled, it is almost taken for granted/for a non issue. Ironically, it is annoying because someone who would …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/06/23 08:21 AM
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Although I personally am polyamorous in how I function as a person (no jealousy on my part, love for one person doesn't prevent me from falling for another, etc...) polyamory is still rather rare and the people I have fallen for tend to be monogamous. I'm not exactly Don Juan or Casanova, the better is the enemy of the good, and so I have only ever been in monogamous relationships. My interactions with poly groups has thus been mainly online. And one of the issue I have had with that is that tho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/06/23 08:10 AM
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Straight up. I've opened up my tinder to everybody. I even spent the $$ to get a month of all the BS. I currently have 50 some matches. Two or three of which have actually gone anywhere. And the vast majority simply stopped talking after a few words. When I was still using those, I have tried pretty much all the dating websites that were in use at the time. Most are actually cons. After a few tries, you can smell those from a mile away. The site where you suddenly have a match as soon as you cre…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/06/23 07:45 AM
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Yeah, my bad. Should have said it normally, not as a joke. No issue. This kind of thing can really add up in boys minds, specially if they have problems at home as well. It might result in them becoming violent people. Yeah, injustice, particularly when it is injustice condoned by those in charge, tends to do that. Right now, in France, it becomes more and more apparent that our politicians are all frauds and conmen, profiting off our backs while forcing the general population into laws they don…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/23 05:15 PM
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I'm willing to believe you are trying to make some point, but it would be better if you actually made it, possibly in some other fashion. This is the kind of sentence that gets quotemined to paint the MRM in a bad light.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/23 08:32 AM
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It is a shorter version of old arguments such as found in untitled by Scott Alexander On the same topic by the same author Third meditation on privilege (although I highly recommend reading first the first two meditations, and then keeping reading at least up to the 8th) And radicalizing the romanceless
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/23 07:25 AM
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Personally, I loved the "prominent MRA thinker include people like Jordan B Peterson" by feminists It actually got a laugh out of me. I mean, that is so ill informed it is almost amazing, if not for my knowledge that they can't possibly try to have a good faith idea of what the MRM actually is. Trying means being open minded and read primary sources rather than what others say about the MRM. JBP has never aligned himself with the MRM. He is a Tradcon. There is some overlap in the critiques made …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 06:03 PM
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With the amount of information available, and given the fact that time and attention is limited, that anyone manages to find any specific information borders on miraculous. You know about the evils of feminism in detail. But do you know as much about the evils of Nestlé ? What exactly is going on in China? What about North Korea? How much do you actually know about how the rare earth's necessary in a lot of our technologies are mined? No, the information bandwidth of anyone is limited, the abili…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 04:37 PM
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No. Plenty of people who call themselves feminists are simply ignorant, not wilfully so. It usually takes some deep dive into some rather dark topics most people prefer not to do before realising the full extent of just how evil feminism actually can be. Most people never really bother to challenge their assumption that feminism is just the term for women's rights activist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 04:30 PM
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Actually, that is pretty much why "oppression" is the very wrong lense to look at gender issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 04:23 PM
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identify with the base belief in gender equality. If the feminism that believes in fighting for men's rights as well as women's rights becomes dominant again, I'd be happy to take up the title. That implies That it is a thing That it ever was dominant I doubt 1 and really doubt 2
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 04:16 PM
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I still believe that there are many ways in which women are subject to injustice and harm because of their gender. Most probably, sure. The issue is, all the big feminist cause seem to be either misrepresentation of data or pure BS. The wage gap is pure misrepresentation of data. "Violence against women" is actually not gendered. And mansplaining or manspreading are pure BS. So, in all that noise, what is actually real subjects of injustice for women can sometimes be hard to track. If I find any…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 01:42 PM
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The problem is that the pressure/choices exist on both sides in equal and opposite directions. We can't fix this by only focusing on women's sides of it Sums up pretty much the entire feminist movement. Trying to look at only one side of a two sided problem, and being surprised things don't get solved. That is actually the whole thing with inequality : it necessarily has two sides
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 12:39 PM
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Because they function in a zero sum mindset. If there is systemic bias against men, there can't be systemic bias against women. If there is systemic bias against women, there can't be systemic bias against men. They are for the underdog against the privileged. They are for women. Therefore women must be the underdog. If men are the underdog and women are privileged, that means that rhey, as people who are for women, are fighting for the privileged, which is a cardinal sin. So that can't possibly…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 12:34 PM
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Is it true that planes that come back from fights never are shot in the engines? If so, why don't we send planes without shielding of the engines? What you are missing is the huge filter. You seem to get the idea that things happen this way : People split up They go to the judge Men get what they asked for And you wonder why men don't simply ask more often for custody. But here's how things happen : People split up They each take a lawyer. The lawyer tells them what they are likely to get if the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 12:04 PM
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I don't know how much it applies to other examples of the "the oppressed knows more about the oppressor than the oppressor knows about the oppressed" Well, it is a saying that can be somewhat true. Although it is more "the minority perspective knows more about the majority perspective than the majority perspective knows about the minority perspective". If you think about it for 2s, this becomes some patently obvious the only reaction can be "duh". There is an infinity of things to be known, and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/23 07:51 PM
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Link to my explanation on why intersectionality is morally and intellectually bankrupt : It's morally and intellectually bankrupt. That's because it rejects rationality and is totalitarian in its essence. Let's first quote the article at the basis of the creation of intersectionality : "mapping the margins" par Kimberlé Crenshaw Over the last two decades, women have organized against the almost routine violence that shapes their lives.1 Drawing from the strength of shared experience, women have …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/23 07:01 PM
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Link to my explanation on why intersectionality is morally and intellectually bankrupt
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/23 07:00 PM
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I've always thought that feminism is just the dumb cousin of communism And that's saying something...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/23 06:52 PM
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I also remember seeing somewhere that the lifespans of nuns and monks was equal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/23 06:40 PM
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Indeed. But the issue is that it is the misandrist who have the speaker, right now. The non-misandrist don't rein them in. There is almost no messaging saying to the misandrist "please shut up and let everyone else live their lives". There was one such attempt in France. But the misandrists have control over the media, so they basically got painted like right wing extremist who want women barefoot and oregano in the kitchen, and don't care about rape. So it ends up looking like it is a general m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/23 07:53 AM
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because that works for them Up until the moment where, maybe years later, they need to be taken down
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/23 09:59 PM
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I prefer to ignore the negative messages and take the risk And that is exactly my point. You are comfortable ignoring the messages. It takes people ignoring the messages to have people do the approaching. The first people those messages impact and have change their behaviour are the people who are not OK ignoring messages. The more susceptible you are to those messages, the more likely you are to not be comfortable approaching a woman. And so the messages remove from the pool of dating those who…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/23 09:56 PM
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Yeah, sociology as a whole is a field that tells us a lot about the psychology of university students. How much of that generalises to the overall population is usually subject to speculation.
/r/Male_Studies27/05/23 06:20 PM
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It doesn't matter, as it is a feedback loop. The men who are the most receptive to the message that any interaction with women are harassment will refrain from interacting with women. The women most susceptible to the messaging will even more perceive everything as harassment. And as a result the proportion of men who would not harass diminishes while those who would remains mostly unaffected. Increasing the feeling that all interactions are harassment, and on and on we go. Besides, it really de…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/23 12:22 PM
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True love triumph over everything, it is well known. And since your love didn't triumph, it mustn't have been true... the just world fallacy is a pain.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/23 01:32 PM
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Basically, what happened is feminism. It has spent decades portraying men as sex obsessed monsters, and any form of male attraction as degrading. It pretty much took up the spirit of Dworkins "all heterosexual sex is rape" and pushed it all over society. Everything is sexual harassment or rape, and all that needs to happen is for men to stop... existing. Then there is the treating of men as defective women. Women give dating advice along the lines of "just be friend with someone and hope.for som…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/23 12:35 PM
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Feminist theory describes patriarchy well And Harry Potter describes magic well. Doesn't make either of those real, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/23 08:22 AM
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The conservative approach is attractive to young men the same way Andrew Tate is attractive to young men. It has AN answer. You might not like what that answer is, but atleast it is a tangible plan of what men and women should do The issue is that those answers are mismatched to today's world. Just because someone has an answer doesn't mean that answer is right, appropriate or even in touch with reality. It's a bit like the religious people who claim that at least they have answers. Sometimes, i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/23 09:30 AM
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I'm not from the US but here's what I've come to understand about the US child support system : There is a federal law that was passed that gives money to the states when they collect child support from dads. As such, the state is financially inventivité to have dads be owing more child support than they can pay, as that debt benefit the state. So, politicians, lawyers and lawmakers have no interest in making it easier for dads to reduce their child support. Every dollar you pay is one more doll…
/r/MensRights17/05/23 03:01 PM
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Feminism, traditionalism, double standards. One cause : Malagency
/r/MensRights09/05/23 07:02 AM
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The thing is, most of the time, oppression is a terrible lense to see things through. There were plenty of difficulties to the life of men and women, very few of which were actually oppression. Most of the time, it was people who make do with whatever shitty hand they are dealt with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/23 07:13 AM
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My point is, there are so many barometers to use that better understand the different advantages men and women face in society, I don’t know why it’s always brought back to the same old trope of billionaire CEO male politicians. That's because it is not about equality. It is about the envy of those in the upper class towards those who have more than them. The corporate lawyer and top marketing designer who were discussing over brunch about the unfairness of the system don't register the homeless…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/23 06:40 AM
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Indeed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/23 06:26 AM
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And thats an awkward thing to grapple. On one hand, it makes sense that undesirable discourse gets its spaces taken away. If you saw a pro-nazi sub for example (an extreme example) you probably might agree that the sub should be shut down and they shouldn't be given a platform right? That's a delicate thing. For one, sunlight is the best disinfectant. Just because you ban those people doesn't mean they cease to exist, doesn't mean they don't have places they talk. It just mean they do it more di…
/r/MensRights03/05/23 06:25 AM
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Well, coming from Marxists, arguing that we should base our understanding on anecdotal societies that can only live in isolation because competing in the real world would have crushed them seems like a theme (#RealCommunismWasNeverTried).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/23 08:31 AM
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Readers unfamiliar with them, and perhaps doubtful of their accuracy, might wish to read "Engels was Right: Early Human Kinship was Matrilineal," which argues convincingly that Marx and Engels have been in fact vindicated by modern anthropology. Honestly, it's not the first time I see this claim, but I am rather skeptical due to one simple thing : survivor bias. It always sounded to me like "we studied the rare few societies that survived until today while seeming prehistoric, and they were matr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/23 06:46 AM
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Patriarchy in the sense of "societies where men are chiefs / the family name is passed by the father" etc are a reality. A completely different one from feminist claims, though. I believe the person you answered to wad referring to the first kind of patriarchy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/23 06:30 AM
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and kept making content about how to be a strong, independent, self-sufficient and actualized person while crumbling from a crippling drug addiction There is some slight difference between how to be a self actualized person, and being one of the most famous and controversial personality out there while dealing with a wife who also has some kind of illness. There isn't much of a science on how to deal with that. Because there aren't that many people who deal with that to study in the first place.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/23 06:54 PM
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Well, the guy is a psychologist. When he talks about psychology, he is usually rather on point. When he starts to wax lyrical on psychoanalytic and religion, he looses me, though, but there's not much else to be expected. It's a bit like Neil Degrasse Tyson. When he talks about astronomy, he's fine. When he goes outside of his field, he often says stupid shit. That is why you should listen to experts in their fields of expertise, and treat them as everyone else in the fields they are like everyo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/23 11:35 AM
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That's a bit of a distortion. He is a tradcon, and he is religious, both things I have issues with. But he doesn't "defend all hierarchies as natural and justified". He claims that hierarchies are something that does happen, indeed, and trying to create a society without hierarchies is futile. Which it is. But he doesn't claim that all hierarchies are justified. Given his dislike for totalitarian ideologies, I would say it is safe to suggest that he wouldn't find the hierarchy of North Korea to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/23 11:24 AM
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The thing is, with the quarantine/banning of various subs like Incel and mgtow, places where those people can now attempt to talk have dwindled. It's not uncommon to see the people who have misogynistic views here also have a very bad opinion of MRAs and attempts to affect society and laws. This sub really doesn't like reporting and banning people, even for "wrongthink", and so it's not even clear that that hate that can sometimes be seen here comes from MRAs. It can also be pointed out that it …
/r/MensRights01/05/23 07:32 AM
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Yup. Majid Nawaz and Ayan Hirsi Ali did it for me. If those people are Hate icons, anybody can take pride in being pointed as such by the SPLC
/r/MensRights01/05/23 07:19 AM
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I'm friend with a few psychologists. All of them are women. Many of them have some feminist leanings. Through them, I have met quite a few other psychologists, and some of them were the worst kind of feminists. But well, like we say in French, I enjoy putting my feet in the plate, so I have had fun challenging some on some absurd notions. Those amongst my friends, I manage to talk with and and get them to see the light. The acquaintances, though... let's just say I am glad those people were more…
/r/MalePsychology28/04/23 04:18 PM
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Isn't he the guy who suggested that rather than fixing the issues with how we teach, boys should just be delayed one year? Yeah, fuck that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/23 06:21 AM
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While social influences are important, no doubt, we still have to remember that biological ones may, at least in some case, be even stronger. Let's just remind everyone : conversion "therapy" doesn't actually work. You take people who are very religious, surrounded by people who are very religious, convinced that being gay is against "the will of god", no less, and in spite of all that, which is pretty much as strong a social conditionning as you can get short of north Korea, those people are st…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/23 06:19 AM
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To ne fair, any therapist worth their salt should be able to put their politics aside to help a patient. Many manage to do just that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/23 05:35 AM
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Some people are also just delirious. Some do it to avoid some kind if negative consequence on themselves (cheating found out, pregnancy to be explained,...) The reasons are varied, sadly. Some guy have had their profile picked at random on Facebook and accused by a complete stranger.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/23 05:45 AM
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All around, it's just garbage, and the people perpetuating the term know exactly what they're doing. I agree with everything else. Many people use it just because it is the buzzword of the moment and they haven't given it 5mn of thoughts. I agree that those who do the most to propagate it, the ones who made it the buzzword of the moment, knew exactly what they were trying to do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 04:11 PM
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Oh, I wasn't particularly referring to your use of "chemicals", it was more of a general thing. I agree with your point. It's just that there has been several comments about "toxic chemicals", how it made people associate all chemicals as bad and the like in this post, and it triggered a need to rant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 10:51 AM
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What needs to happen is several studies on the motivations of people's action, I guess. Something more serious than what feminists do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 07:23 AM
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As a scientist, the general notion of "chemicals" is baffling to me. I mean, water is a chemical. Air is several chemicals. And it often get opposed to "natural" here in France. Something "natural" is without "chemicals" (and therefore good for you). Which, on both accounts is preposterous. Lots of chemicals are natural (as opposed to artificial) and lots of natural things are really bad for you. Uranium and volcanoes are natural, none of which are particularly healthy for human consumption.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 07:20 AM
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Right! Just like toxic masculinity is still some kind of masculinity. The toxic kind! And that is precisely the issue. We are disagreeing that there is such a thing. It is not the masculinity that is toxic. It has been repeated to you several times. Toxic masculinity imply some kind of masculinity, some part of it, is toxic. And that's just false, hence why the term is bad. As such "masculine toxicity" is much different. It is a kind of toxicity, one that is more applicable to men. It implies th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 07:06 AM
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It’s a subtle point - I even said ‘silly as it sounds’ - but I think an important distinction, and these terms of discourse around it have caused damage. The point of those terms has always been to cause damage, in the first place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 06:51 AM
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As a Frenchman, I have to say, like all Frenchness, evil Frenchness tends to manifest. Particularly nowadays, where our government is crazier than usual.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 06:49 AM
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You can't expect a 4year old boy to understand all the nuance linked to the academic definition, even more given the number of people who "misuse" the term and use it as a weapon to imply that all masculinity is toxic. While "toxic masculinity" sort of imply that not all masculinity is toxic, lacking at least an as omnipresent talk about "healthy" masculinity, it gives the impression that the only characteristic thing about masculinity is its toxicity. "Toxic" masculinity also in no way contains…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 06:46 AM
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The reason behind it is basically what is described in "thirty years of denying the evidences on gender symmetry domestic violence " and "the feminist case for acknowledging women's acts of violence" Basically, the DV industry has put tremendous effort in ensuring that only feminist sources are allowed on it, and those sources must present women as the victims of DV to maintain "the feminist framework of women as victims and men as perpetrators", and to ensure the funding keeps flowing. And part…
/r/MensRights25/04/23 06:30 AM
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More people are killed by cows than by sharks. I wonder how that can happen. Are cows the real superpredator?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/23 06:07 AM
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if you don't meet someone's standards (even if they aren't hypergamous, but especially if they are) by just being yourself - is it really a loss for you? Would you be happy with such person anyway? The issue is not about any singular person. The issue is when apparently nobody has a standard you can meet.sure, you might be better off not being with that specific person. But the desire remain present in most people to be with someone . Finding love is a big motivation to most, and being unable to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/23 03:26 PM
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Let's face it, there is a growing issue of people struggling to find partners, leading to higher and higher numbers of loveless people. And while this issue is certainly less dramatic than IPV, it is still a valid cause for concern. For one, it affects a much higher number of people. It also exemplify quite a few of the reoccurring themes behind many men's issues, things like restrictive gender roles, the empathy gap and male disposability, feminism propagating it's misandry all over society. It…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/23 02:46 PM
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Not exactly. Women indeed had a place that was different from men, but it was also different from children. Women have worked throughout history, in various ways. There were women working in coal mines alongside men, although at tasks that were considered relatively easier, there are plenty of english family names that come from typically female professions, like Brewster, for example. And history isn't limited to the victorian era upper class.
/r/MensRights23/04/23 06:30 AM
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Historically if you were female you had no autonomy and were under the authority of your husband. All money a woman earned or property she had went straight to her husband I'm an ex Muslim. In Islam: Women do not get equal inheritance. Thanks for confirming that the person I was responding to was wrong. Indeed, women do not get equal inheritance. But they do get inheritance, which necessitates them having property rights. In fact, the reason they do not get equal inheritance is precisely because…
/r/MensRights22/04/23 10:12 PM
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Of course! Feminism invented men caring about women around 1900. Before that, women had absolutely no influence whatsoever, no ability to decide anything in their lives, let alone affect how their society was run. In fact, women are so inept at anything they they could barely speak. And men were so monstrous that they treated their mothers, their sisters and their daughters with the utmost disregards, without ever considering that women could want something, let alone try to help them. After all…
/r/MensRights22/04/23 06:46 AM
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Of course! Feminism invented men caring about women around 1900. Before that, women had absolutely no influence whatsoever, no ability to decide anything in their lives, let alone affect how their society was run. In fact, women are so inept at anything they they could barely speak. And men were so monstrous that they treated their mothers, their sisters and their daughters with the utmost disregards, without ever considering that women could want something, let alone try to help them. After all…
/r/MensRights22/04/23 06:41 AM
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The thing is, this issue has been blown up beyond all reasonable proportion, and there are several things piled on top of it that make things even more confusing. For one thing, transgenderism appears to be a real phenomenon. The main issue is that we know very little with regards to what it is, how it happens, and what it means. Biology is a mess, and human biology even more. Neurology is only in its infancy, and the working of the brain goes far beyond just neurons, which plenty of chemistry i…
/r/MenSupportMen21/04/23 11:58 AM
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A very good rule. By hanging out around here, I am constantly surprised by new ways some statistics that are commonly presented may be misleading. One of my "favorite" example is the "more women are killed by their partner than men". It seems to be true. Death numbers are somewhat harder to fake. But then there is the issue of driving people to suicide, or getting other people to kill in your stead, which make things a bit murkier. But even then, taking those numbers at face value, there is an i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/23 09:18 AM
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I think you might be taking what I'm saying a little too literally and picking out specific statements rather trying to digest the spirit of my entire point. We are online. There is no tone of voice or anything else. The only thing I have to understand what you say is... Well, what you say. I can't read minds. I'm not saying hypergamy would just magically disappear overnight, just that it would disappear quicker without capitalism. I don't know if that would be 10 years, 100 years, or 1,000 year…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/23 06:42 AM
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Like I just said on the other comment, you might want to be careful how you say things. Unregulated capitalism makes love/sex more of a transaction because it encourages women to look for a higher earning partner (the one that satisfies them the most economically) rather than the one that they are most deeply attracted to (that satisfies them the most emotionally). And if the man is expected to be this high earning provider, then naturally he is going to feel entitled some demands of his own (se…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/23 06:32 AM
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We've been at least two to "talk at right angle to what you're saying". You might want to be careful in how you say things, and consider what you actually say. never implied that I expect hypergamy to magically disappear. capitalism plays into/exploits those evolved traits and exacerbates them so that they continue to exist despite actually being maladaptive to modern society. I don't see how we can interpret that sentence other than it being saying that "they continue to exist" but since they h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/23 06:15 AM
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Yup. Unequal treatment of women is, by definition, unequal treatment of men, and vice versa. So anything that is biased against one can be construed as being biased against the other. And in the same way that every cloud has a silver lining, every light cast a shade, so it's always possible to frame everything unequal as "negatively impacting women", even if, in actuality, it is men who suffer the brunt of the negative aspects.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 07:58 PM
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I think you might be mistaken with regard to the timescale involved in evolution. The kind of extreme environement needed for hypergamy to stop existing in modern society now in the timeframe since it has become maladaptive a few decades ago would require a very, very strong natural selection against it, probably sterilising anyone showing the slightest bit of hypergamy and having all the few others reproduce as early as possible. Even that would probably not be enough to ensure that hypergamy d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 07:38 PM
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Published in 1913. This is basically at the same period as Freud. I see those more as a symptom of those times than anything else. Many people who have valuable things to say on all sorts of things also have plenty of stupid things to say on all sorts of subjects. Belfort Bax had interesting things to say with regards to legal analysis for example.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 07:13 PM
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Nah, it's about power. It's just that emotional reasoning is a powerful tool to get it.
/r/MensRights20/04/23 06:24 PM
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Yeah, but an educated population is much harder to manipulate. Politicians don't want for people to understand statistics. They don't want to develop the population's critical thinking skills. Then they might actually have to do their jobs, or try to be honest. I too wish people understood statistics better. Elementary logic and set theory are also incredibly useful thinking tools that are deeply missing from the general population.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 03:09 PM
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True. It's just that it has become kind of a reflex for me, when I see a stat, I wonder "how can that be false or misleading?" There might be another thing. When I clicked the link for that stat, the table was all arrests, violent or not, of all males, adult but also 15-18. The total number was thus much bigger. Did you do the math yourself or is there a function to do it for you? Or is it just that I'm tired and on my phone and Internet on phone is shit and i missed the obvious ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 03:01 PM
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Just going to sperg for a moment, but slide 4 is likely false. The annual number of men arrested seems to be the number of arrests where the person arrested was male. If one person get arrested 10times in the year, that would be 10 more to the annual number of men arrested , despite it being only 1 man. Unless the statistics really took the time to track each individual man to make sure he wasn't counted multiple time, but my money is on the fact that data privacy might get in the way of doing t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 02:46 PM
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This article misses the most glaring way in which feminists, all feminists, actually don't believe in feminism. It's a way that has been pointed out by Karen Straughan : feminism claims that the world is set up by men for men to oppress women. But if that was the case, complaining about that would be utterly ineffective. The men in power would just have gone "so what?" And kept ignoring and oppressing women. Calling someone a misogynist and somehow hoping it would have any effect on them is absu…
/r/MensRights20/04/23 02:36 PM
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In feminist utopia, you can both have your cake and eat it, and you never gain weight from it.
/r/MensRights20/04/23 02:25 PM
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Unregulated capitalism... I mean, this is probably how traditional gender roles came about in the first place, right? The issue I have with many of those on the left who seem to want to praise marxism and shit on capitalism is that capitalism as they use it function identically to "whatever is the source of that which I don't like". Typically, in that sentence, you make it sound like capitalism, an economic societal system, is responsible for natural pressures resulting in natural selection. If …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 07:52 AM
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Except that this is one of the two cases where it is appropriate to make a comparison to nazi Germany. The USSR is precisely the other most prominent example of an authoritarian regime responsible for millions of death. The second case is Maoist China. By the way, both are examples of communism trying to get applied on a large scale. You see, you can invoke Godwin's law when someone makes a parallel to the nazi over something trivial. "You like butter on your toast? I bet you would gaz the jews"…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 07:37 AM
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I dunno. After doing more research on this, it just screams of anti-communist propaganda. The “killed millions of its own people” line is always fabricated & exaggerated. Parenti, Hakim, Wolff & others have debunked that claim. And now you sound like a holocaust denier.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 05:47 AM
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Did it have its problems? Yep! It wasn’t perfect, however, if one is considered a socialist, then the USSR shouldn’t be condemned This is how you sound : "Did Nazi germany have its problems? Yep! It wasn’t perfect, however, if one is considered a nationalist, then it shouldn’t be condemned" Generally, it's perceived badly, to call people not to condemn regimes that have resulted in millions of deaths. It tends to ruin your credibility.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 05:44 AM
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Aka "the devil". And just as scientifically valid.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 05:35 AM
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In fact, when you look at it, a lot of what feminism does is manipulation. From helping change definition of rape to exclude female perps, to the whole discourse around male victims of domestic abuse... Feminism in itself disproves feminism. Feminism claims that society is geared towards preferring men and disadvantaging women. And it has gained an incredible amount of power and money selling people the idea that they could help fight against that through them. But if their claim was true, the r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/23 05:25 PM
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State sponsored indoctrination is not necessarily decided at the level of individual teachers. There may be plenty of other levels at which that can be at play. Be it in the programmes, the advices given on teachers on how to approach things, the administrative response to how teachers handle certain problematics, or even the way teachers are trained and what kind of pedagogy they are taught. Also, please note that I am not the one who made the claim that there was indoctrination going on in the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/23 04:32 PM
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Meh. Beware. Chatgpt and the like are not saying the truth or analysing data. They are bullshit machine, not that different from the word suggestion/prediction on your phone. And the answer it will give you will change, possibly a lot, based on little things in how you formulate what you ask. Possibly to give you radically different answers
/r/MensRights19/04/23 02:25 PM
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/We/ mistreat our women? They're off their heads It's pretty standard war propaganda. Of all times, one of the big reason that is almost always used in wars to get men to go kill other men is "look how badly they treat their women!" Generally, it takes quite a bit of convincing to get people to be violent towards other people. But this one seems to always do the trick. From the viewpoint of the ultraconservative, women in the west are exploited and disrespected for their sexuality which is put o…
/r/MensRights19/04/23 12:40 PM
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Everything bad can be blamed on the devil, if you try hard enough. That's why the devil was created for.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/23 12:02 PM
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Inside relationships, the dynamics is different from one time encounters. There are also all sorts of things to be taken into account, such as the very strong societal taboo on men to ever hit a woman, under any circumstance. As such, it is very common for small women to violently physically abuse their much bigger male partner, because he knows that he can't fight back, as if he so much as bruise her hand restraining her from assaulting him, he may get into a hell of trouble. From the data we h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/23 11:56 AM
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you're the one rudely complaining everywhere that "people don't offer alternatives" as if that was some kind of gotcha. The reason people don't offer alternatives is because there isn't one, because there is no easy way out of doing the hard work of making your own mind through reading a lot of stuff. And what people are pointing out is precisely that, on anything remotely politically controversial, Wikipedia is far from "pretty damn good". It's as biased as it come, and as such, using it as sol…
/r/MensRights19/04/23 11:41 AM
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Basically, the transcripts of the videos gendered systemic violence? followed by rationalisation hamster, anyone? by Karen Straughan. In fact, if you haven't listened to her videos, I highly recommend sorting them by oldest and 20mn+ long, and to start watching. This woman is a gem, and her videos have been used by University professors
/r/MensRights19/04/23 07:28 AM
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The alternative is "don't ever trust a single source, make your own research on controversial/political topics. I know you wish there were some kind if easily accessible source of ultimate truth out there. It doesn't exist, and things are hard. Life is unfair. Deal with it. It's going to require effort."
/r/MensRights19/04/23 06:45 AM
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Here's the thing : the government and the media establishment has been working extra hard to make the word "conspiracy" be associated with loonies who think the moon landing is fake and the earth is flat. That way, when bad intentioned people with power do some shady shit, all they have to do is call "conspiracy theory" that, and through guilt by association, the people talking about it get discredited without effort. But take a second to think about it. If anyone said that the NSA was spying on…
/r/MensRights19/04/23 06:43 AM
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Who's pushing this narrative if it's false? Why would anyone want to push the idea that circumcision has positive benefits? It's not like there's any money in circumcision You might want to ask that question in r/intactivists, that's the sub dedicated to the issue of MGM. To give you a few answers : people push that narrative for various reasons. People who have been subjected to it might have a psychological barrier to admitting that what was done to them was wrong and grasp at straws to defend…
/r/MensRights19/04/23 06:35 AM
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Didn't you know evolution stopped at the neck? Obviously, all that evolutionary pressure that drove our physical dimorphism can't possibly have had any impact on our brains and induced with it behavioral differences. The pressures that resulted in women birthing some of the most dependent children of the animal kingdom did absolutely nothing to predispose those very women in being interested in caring for those very children. And if they did, they did so in very much the same way for the men who…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 10:08 PM
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I'm sorry you've had to go through that. Yeah, modern day politics is really depressing. This space is one of the rare few where I find some amount of sanity in this chaos of madness out there. The thing that kills me is that I live in France, in terms of politics and issues, there's something like a decade in delay compared to the US. And so I'm slowly watching France turning into the political mess that is the US. The worst thing is that some morron on the French left are importing CRT wholesa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 04:50 PM
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A Kafka trap is not a cockroach disguised as a girl.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 04:09 PM
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Honestly, I'm not so certain it is purely innocent. Typically, one of the first thing he did when coming into office is lift the ban on teaching and enforcing things that blame an entire demographic group, which was one of the few rare good thing Trump ever did. Read this : https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-combating-race-sex-stereotyping/ And tell me how someone who isn't a bigot would object to what this text says. Yet it was one of the first things Bide…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 04:07 PM
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There's nothing scarier than a self righteous crowd acting for the greater good.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 02:25 PM
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cad-shaming Is it when people mock you for doing industrial drawings?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 02:18 PM
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Yup. It's absolutely possible to be in a relationship with someone with whom you disagree. Provided there is love, empathy and respect. As far as "straight white men should shut up and anyway male issues can't be that serious", I would say that denote lack in both empathy and respect. So that would be the points I would advise OP to check, if he really wants to try having a relationship with her.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 02:13 PM
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For me that I come from the Balkans "white" is diverse enough ,so I don't understand the whole "white" label. Yeah, as a European, this always seemed ridiculous. "White"... some "white" farmers in the village I grew up in were pretty much as dark skinned (through sheer sun exposure) as some "arab" people towards whom they were racist. The southern France white is nothing alike the Spanish white, the Italian white, the Greek white, the Irish white, the Norwegian white, the Russian white, ...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 01:44 PM
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It's always funny to see those people turn around instantly on the "listen to people who are concerned by that issue" when people like Blair White, Candace Owen or Sarah Palin come and disagree with them. "Only women should make decisions on abortion" Oh yeah? Would you prefer Barack Obama made decisions on abortion, or Sarah Palin? This line of thinking is so incredibly stupid I am always amazed some people ever embraced it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 01:37 PM
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Sadly, I'm afraid your GF is kind of part of a cult. Plenty of good people fall for this one, and sadly it is one that is often state-sponsored. But a cult none the less. This might make things difficult for your relationship. Now, only you know her, and how far off she's gone in that. So only you can judge how to best approach that. Although, given how she has shown that she struggles with empathy towards people like you, you might want to question how much that relationship really is worth it.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 01:33 PM
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Someone who say that assumes already that you have been programmed into misogyny. That person is not having a good faith discussion with you. That person is not seeing you as an individual, that person sees you as a token of what their ideology tells them you must be. There is usually very little point in discussing with such a person. They have already made up their mind about you, and whatever you say will be taken as further evidence of that conclusion. To have a productive discussion with th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 07:07 AM
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Electroshocks have a bad reputation. They are still used for a few issues, and work wonders. It's kind of a hard reset of the brain. Sometime, you really need to turn it off and on again.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 06:55 AM
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I understand that we’re in an era of correction of past mistakes, but how is hand picking certain careers to promote to girls helping society? Trickle down equality. If there is equality in the high prestige high earning jobs, then somehow, that equality will trickle down to the low prestige or low income jobs. Never understood how that's supposed to work, but that's the kind if answers you get from feminists. Trickle down economics doesn't work, trickle down equality doesn't work either. The la…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 06:50 AM
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To be fair I am not sure how much all this really matters. Most UK schools struggle to teach kids to read or add up. So I don't think they would be capable of indoctrinating British students. Well, those two may be independent. Or it could be worse. Indoctrination is very different from education. You would actually expect that something dedicated to indoctrination would suck at education. If much time is dedicated to indoctrinating pupils into an ideology, then much less time is left to try to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 06:39 AM
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In general, I don't see a lot of explicit misandrists among the dem candidates Biden is the guy that replaced a gender neutral act on domestic violence with VAWA. How much more do you need?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 06:33 AM
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My parents were of the same kind. I was taught to treat everyone as equal. I was told that there was nothing wrong with men showing emotions. I'm fairly on the spectrum though, so I believed those messages, and acted upon them. Turns out, they aren't quite true in practice. If you treat women like you treat men, turns out that people (women included) believe you are mean to them. And if, as a man, you have no qualm showing your emotions, that makes you a gigantic bully magnet. I haven't encounte…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 06:31 AM
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Well, it was amazing, to see people who spent years fighting indoctrination and bad arguments suddenly turn and refuse to realise they are using the exact same bad arguments they were fighting 5mn before. You could have someone describe how religion had them shun them for doubting dogma and how that's unacceptable, cultist and dangerous for the ability to think, then turn around and demand everybody agrees with feminism or be cut off from their lives. Thar was wild.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 06:19 AM
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Well, I've often said that feminism was one of the most misogynistic ideologies out there. You know who has to pull down people in order to feel better about themselves? Bullies, people who already have a very low opinion about themselves. Feminism deeply despise everything feminine, think it inferior, and project that view on everyone else. That's why they try to pull everyone else down to feel better about themselves. That's why they emulate even the worst aspects of what they think masculinit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 06:12 AM
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Empathy is what is required to want healthcare for all No, empathy can be sufficient to want healthcare for all, but it isn't required. Empathy is required to advocate for the basic human rights of marginalized groups that are not you Once again, "can be sufficient", rather than "is required". And a lot of the things pushed by the left aren't exactly "basic human rights". As for who is marginalized... that may be very dependent and they seem to have some glaring blindspots, as for their insistan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/23 07:44 PM
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True
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/23 02:50 PM
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I will disagree with you on the fact that the cdc is the gold standard of stats. They are very much feminists when it comes to those things, and that involves various ways to bias the results. Be it : in how they define things (the NISVS is the one that defined made to penetrate as something separate from rape) in fudging with things to dramatise things (I believe they included sex under alcohol in their criteria for sexual assault, the amount isn't specified, but that might mean that drinking o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/23 02:13 PM
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Once we've smashed the patriarchy and achieved equality for women, THEN there will be time / space / resources available to look at / solve issues facing men The worst thing is, this sentence actually has no meaning. Equality is a comparison term. As such, you can't achieve equality for women. It doesn't have a meaning. You can only ever achieve equality between women and men, and that means looking at issues for women and for men at the same time, as you can't "equalize" something without looki…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/23 10:02 AM
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I made a post on that a while back. Might interest you : https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/dpqe0t/feminism_traditionalism_double_standards_one/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/23 09:41 AM
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I'm always amazed that people fail to realise that spanking and the like teaches children that violence is an appropriate way to solve issues. But banning is all fine and good, but it's completely insufficient. Because plenty of people have absolutely no clue how to educate properly their kids without beating them. Developmental psychology has done wonders in the past few decades, and has moved along a great way, but barely any has seeped into the public knowledge. My opinion is that in the same…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/23 09:17 AM
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I would heavily recommend staying as far away from anything with "Critical" in its name, except for "Critical thinking". Marx had this idea, taken from some kind of mysticism, that basically humanity was intrinsically pure but corrupted by society, which imposed a "false consciousness" on the people. He believed that people needed to awaken their "Critical consciousness" and if they did, they would cause a revolution that would mystically spontaneously result in some kind of utopia he was ideolo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/23 08:51 AM
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“couples were requesting more girls than boys, a gap that has persisted, even though Ericsson advertises the method as more effective for producing boys. In some clinics, Ericsson has said, the ratio is now as high as 2 to 1. Polling data on American sex preference is sparse, and does not show a clear preference for girls. But the picture from the doctor’s office unambiguously does.” This is incredibly concerning, because it means that men in such cases are not seen as equally valuable as women.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/23 07:24 AM
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I don't remember exactly what he says, and I have no intention to inflict that video upon myself ever again, but I'm fairly certain he lost me fairly quickly, given the low level of good faith of the guy... What you said is just on more stone to the building of his dishonesty and bad faith approach.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/23 11:31 PM
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That's the idea. I've often pointed out that the people who say "feminism is simply about equality, that's the definition" or if you believe in equality, then you are a feminist, by definition" are pretty much the people who believe that the ministry of truth really is about propagating truth, as it's how it defines itself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/23 06:24 PM
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I agree that the shaming wasn't necessary. It was very present, though, wasn't it? I also believe that we have a very simplistic view of what was in the past. I think there was a lot more nuances than: man work, wife at home. Yes, there was much more than that. Women have worked throughout history. Although, even the women who worked in mines were doing what was considered then the less physically demanding tasks (although I bet most modern people wouldn't be able to do those). But that's kind o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 02:15 PM
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Have you looked at the 3 videos linked? I would doubt it given their duration and the timing of your reply. Believe me, there's quite enough to say the guy is profoundly dishonest. You can also go look at the discussion in other communities, there is the link to the discussion in MensRights: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/c7h0d0/whats_the_communitys_opinion_on_this_video/ Which goes a bit more in detail. I know that I have commented at length on that video, although it might have b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 12:57 PM
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Lot of people pick a tribe, then adopt the related beliefs. Some people pick beliefs, and join whatever tribe seems to represent more of those Even fewer people actually have principles, and support whatever side agrees with those principles at that time, on a that issue, then whatever side agrees with those principles at another time on another issue. I would say that it's even rarer to find someone who has actually thought about those principles deeply. Generally, it's a lot of effort to reach…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 12:45 PM
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It was posted here at least 3years ago : https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/fcgfsj/this_video_was_8_months_ago_but_i_feel_we_should/ Basically, this guy is as dishonest as it goes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 12:10 PM
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They are incredibly competent, don't be mistaken. But don't judge a fish on its ability to climb trees. They are very competent. Just not at representing what people want, what is fair and just, or whatever nice sounding sentiment. The political system has been set up by elites seeking to maintain control over the population while profiting as much as possible. Marginally, it does a few things to give the people the feeling they are in control, so long as it doesn't affect the elites bottom line…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 10:08 AM
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They're not egalitarian, despite all the nonsense about being unbiased and inclusive. That's because the "unbiased and inclusive" is the intersectional version of those words (in the same way that they try to make racism mean prejudice+power). Under the intersectional cult, "unbiased" means "who agrees with the intersectional dogma". All of society is inherently biased, infecting everyone with false consciousness, and only by embracing the intersectional dogma can one try to escape it. "Unbiased…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 09:46 AM
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Among people who read, at least, it's rather famous and read by many. It might even be given to read in some schools. I have read it too, as well as brave new world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 08:11 AM
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My advice would be : stay away from Instagram and the like. What you'll find there is nit exactly the best humanity has to offer. Dealing with real people in real life is good. Learn from stoicism and CBT : accept what you can't control. The main thing on which you can control is your behaviour and thoughts. The way you react to something will heavily influence how things go from there. Try to remember that there is a big difference between what people say they want, and what they do want. Parti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 07:58 AM
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Which reminds me of how women think they are harassed more online, when they're not, it's just that they get assumed male and so they get decked by trolls the way men do IRL. "There are no women on the internet" was a saying for a while. And beside the joke on the fact that the Internet was a thing for geeks, and geeks tend to be overwhelmingly men, it also points to the fact that online anonymity result in everyone being treated the same. Women aren't treated with kids glove by men afraid to hu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 07:28 AM
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"Liberals' solution is to castigate men as having "toxic masculinity," while conservatives want to turn back the clocks on women's rights as if equality is a zero-sum game. Neither approach works." While both are shit, at least, the Conservative option makes sense : societies function at an equilibrium. They seek to go back to the equilibrium that was proven, where men and women had their set roles. The issue is that this equilibrium needs to be consistent with the environement, the circumstance…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 07:19 AM
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I have been saying for a while that it might not be that men's way of dealing with their emotions is worse than that of women, that it might just be that men are more likely to find themselves in a situation where death seems like an attractive option. Although I can't find the link back I think I remember having seen somewhere a study on people like surgeons, basically, people who are making a lot of money, reasonably well aware of mental health services available, but are relatively often expo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/23 06:52 AM
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They have the same definition of equality as the UN, I guess. That's something that always annoy me when talking with feminist aligned people. They use the word "equality", but seem to lack the understanding that an equality, or any comparison, involves two parameters. Like, any term they love to use, "discrimination" and the like, necessarily imply a point of reference, a second term, and as such they are never speaking "only about women". I've had surreal discussions, where we're discussing th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/23 09:24 AM
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When you are aware of the reality of gender symmetry in DV, of the treatment of Erin Pizzey, Murray Strauss-Kahn and so on, the reading of the feminist scholarly paper "the feminist case for acknowledging women's acts of violence" gives you all the answers as to what is going on. Feminists explaining that the DV industry, through lies, data manipulation and pressures on researchers, has been willingly framed as gendered in order to spread the feminist framework of men as perpetrators and women a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/23 07:18 AM
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A few months ago, i was in an online conference about prevention and detection of domestic violence for health professionals (a friend was invited to that while I was beside) given by one of the associations specialised in that and our dearest ministère à l'égalité homme femme. At the end, they were talking about a directive by the ministry demanding certain health professionals always ask the women they see if they are victims of DV. Note that during the conference, even their own numbers talke…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/23 07:03 AM
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A joke I find funny. That wasn't an attempt at you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/23 06:51 AM
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Genuine curiosity : why would you stay for 3years in such a space? I get the fascination of watching a slow motion car crash, but after a while, that has to take its toll?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/23 06:33 AM
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It's because intersectionality is not about acceptance and liberalism, it is about bigotry and blind faith Intersectionality really is about maintaining a bigoted view while trying to solve the issue that bigotry is fundamentally incompatible with the nature of people as individuals. "All people of a given group are homogeneous, but you can multiply the homogeneity along different axes to have a little more freedom". Once you see it, it becomes incredibly obvious that it is baked in. Even talkin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/23 06:27 AM
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"I don't understand. We have tried banning people who disagree with us. Shaming them into silence. Accusing every slightly divergent opinions of being literally Hitler. And despite our best efforts, people keep joining the other side. It must be that this site is infested with nazism " I can't help but be reminded of "Neutral vs Comservative"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/23 06:10 AM
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show they're maximally capable of solely googling the definition of Dunning-Kruger effect. If they only knew lol. "I don't know much about the Dunning-Kruger effect, but I could tell you everything about it"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/23 06:04 AM
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Do you think voting Biden makes you left wing? Not from the US. I'm more left than most leftists in my country, where our right looks like your left. Keep telling yourself whatever you wish. No matter the attempts at shaming, I'm not interested in bigotry, and won't support it. When I say I’m a leftist, I mean I am not a liberal. I mean I’m a socialist. All those labels are meaningless. Where I live, liberal means the kind of aggressive capitalists, and "socialist" is the label that our soft lef…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/23 04:44 PM
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Well, if you want to establish a character as a villain, you jave two options : either randomly kill one or more of his male minions, or have him hit a woman. And generally, you're expected to be more outraged by the hitting a woman than by the killing of men. I believe you should have a look at tvtropes : https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MenAreTheExpendableGender
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/23 03:05 PM
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Please, look into the origin, ideological basis and implications of intersectionality It's not that "there’s always someone arguing for the stupidest possible version of any belief" It's that the beliefs are inherently awful at their core, but the priests don't need people educated to understand the core, just drones to propagate the faith with all of its armful effects. The bogpost you linked spend quite a bit of time lamenting being reproached being a "cis male" to dismiss opinions they don't …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/23 02:51 PM
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The issue with text communication is that it is impossible for me to convey all the contempt I feel for the term "reverse" in my sentence mocking them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/23 02:35 PM
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The iron rule of polling : most polls reflect the opinion pollsters want reflected. If you select carefully you're question, or where you are asking question, you can heavily influence the answers you get.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/23 06:56 AM
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and my feeling anytime I listen to the radio or watch the TV Well, why wouod you do that in the first place? That was your fist mistake ;) They parrot feminists talking points like it's the accepted and absolute truth, and I don't feel like it's really allowed societally to offer counterpoints Back when Melanchon was candidate for presidency the first time, I opened his program, with some hope. I reached the "how do you plan to finance all that?" Part, and what I say wad "well, women earn 20% le…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/23 06:53 AM
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That would be internally consistent. But that's nit the goal. That doesn't operate on logic. It operates on feelings, on bigotry to be more precise. Every excuse is good to be a PoS towards men. That's how they judge things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/23 06:36 AM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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