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I'm guessing you're not a native English speaker? I'm not sure what you're asking. If you create a child then you are (jointly) responsible for that child
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:37 PM
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huh? this is the most confusing sentence
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:45 PM
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If you create a life, you have a responsibility to provide for that life. It's that simple
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:55 AM
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Yes, agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 08:33 AM
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The only support? I really don't agree, I think that financial factors are huge here. In a couple, the man is the higher earner more often than not - that plays a huge role in deciding who can be the stay-at-home parent. Just out of curiosity, what restrictions would you keep? I don't look at it in that way, it's not about what I would keep or want to keep. Just that I'm realistic about the way the change process.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 10:49 PM
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Oh, I see. OP wrote, "Cold approaching has been my go-to since day one. I've got phone numbers/IGs/Snapchats/etc", which I interpreted as him directly asking for someone's number. What you say makes a lot more sense!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 10:41 PM
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Why not just do a coffee date? Then upfront you've filtered out anyone who is looking for a free meal will decline. Problem solved
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 06:35 PM
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yeah agreed, i'm starting to think that this is a strawman argument
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 06:34 PM
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The things I've mentioned - better social/emotional connection, more ways to be manly - are intrinsically worthwhile IMO, but also I think that the majority of women would find them attractive. Especially the former, since that is a relationship-based quality. I would love to see more support (from women, men, governments) for men being stay-at-home dads. I actually see the main issue here being economic, but I may be biased here because I know multiple couples who would love the man to stay hom…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 06:23 PM
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which instagrammer is that? and yeah, that's really sad :(
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 05:55 PM
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Is this an American thing? In my country, asking for a stranger's number would be really unusual, unless you'd had some kind of sustained contact or conversation (in which case, it's not so "cold" of an approach by then).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 08:47 AM
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Dating is more important than jobs and housing? Ummmm.... And yes, I read what you wrote about a minimum level of security. That doesn't really track, because following your direct comparison of these factors, a minimum level of job/housing security is much more important than a minimal level of security in dating (whatever that would mean). There's an interesting conversation buried in your post, but your framing is doing you no favours
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 08:32 AM
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Ok gotcha. I definitely see benefits to men. Do you really not? I'm thinking of things like men having less restrictive gender roles (less "a real man is like X" kind of thinking), more emotional/social connection, etc. Being a traditional-style manly man is cool, but it's also okay to cry ya know? What potential problems do you foresee? Genuine question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 08:16 AM
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Did you mean to write this in reply to me? 🤔 I specifically didn't say that it would "solve" all of men's issues
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 07:34 PM
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Gotcha. I've seen that kind of sentiment, but in a much more minor form - "patriarchy disadvantages men too" (and therefore dismantling it would benefit men/help with those issues). That kind of position is reasonable IMO. "Solving" is probably going a bit too far lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 07:10 PM
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I'm not convinced that that's a mainstream feminist opinion. If so, they're wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 06:52 PM
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Perhaps we could agree that these things won't inherently, in and of themselves, cause men to be desired by women - but their absence is certainly unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 06:50 PM
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I didn't know about that example, but that's really shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 06:45 PM
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I see the things thread OP listed - positive masculinity, healthy friendships, allowing vulnerability, social skills - as intrinsically rewarding. In other words, if I was a man (and honestly, even as a woman), I would see those things as positive, regardless of any ideas about 'desirability'. Are you saying you don't? I feel your frustration. Everyone should have the chance to feel desired. I guess I just see things differently? I'm not sure how else to explain it. I was surprised by u/jplpss's…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 07:31 AM
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Yes, it's commonly held that the many of the goals of feminism are also broadly beneficial to men. e.g. less restrictive gender roles benefit both genders. That's pretty reasonable IMO. But where do feminists say that advocacy for the issues facing men is not necessary? I haven't heard that, and if I did, I would call it out, because clearly a movement based on women's rights is not going to be able to fix everything for other groups. Secondly, to the contrary of what you've written, I actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 07:20 AM
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If feminism is exclusively a movement for women's advocacy, then it needs to stop hypocritically opposing men's advocacy. How does feminism oppose men's advocacy? I don't see that in mainstream feminism. The two are complementary.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 06:59 AM
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I sympathise with men who have fallen into the manosphere, which is designed to prey on people and does so very effectively. And I have had conversations with people in my life about this kind of thing. However, why is it the job of women to, in your words, "fix it or solve it"? I'll do what I can to help, but for me to fix it or solve it is not reasonable, realistic, or even possible. Especially towards a group that spouts views that offend me deeply.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:45 PM
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You mention a bunch of issues facing men. Why would feminism (an ideology focused on the rights of women) tackle these? It's not the goal of the movement. I have also not seen any mainstream feminist groups claim that we shouldn't care about these things, or that they're less important than something like manspreading lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:38 PM
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It's less about 'desirability' and more about having a good life. Though I would also say that the traits that the poster above outlined are desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:32 PM
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the misandrist gynocracy we live in [footage not found]
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 07:40 PM
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You didn't answer my question though. What, specifically, do you want to happen to Sandberg now?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:51 AM
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Haha, I appreciate the levity :) I don't know dude. A lot of famous men have behaved abusively, and they're still famous, rich, and working. Examples: Chris Brown, Roman Polanski, Donald Trump. And they've done far worse than ask their employee to buy some bras or share a bed (which, to be clear, is unacceptable behaviour). What exactly do you want to happen to Sandberg here?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:24 AM
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I don't know dude, having specific policies/goals related to immigration is not the same thing as promoting it. NOW: advocating to make the asylum/immigration system more humane ≠ promoting immigration FMF: advocating against incarcerating people who committed even small-value thefts ≠ promoting immigration. (Especially re ICE. Even we outside the US hear about how awful ICE is) AWRD: advocating for a better asylum system ≠ promoting immigration The US Democratic party ≠ a feminist group. But ok…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 08:42 AM
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This is being reported widely in a critical way and damaging her reputation. The ex-employee has not taken legal action against her, so far as we know. What else do you want to happen? It's unrealistic to think that this should be front-page, top-priority news right now, given everything else going on (US political/economic turbulence, Ukraine situation, etc). And that would also be the case if this story was about Sandberg's male ex-CEO counterpart.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 08:22 AM
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I'm not playing dumb, but I think it's dumb of you to downvote me for voicing legitimate points. I have not downvoted you, even though we're disagreeing. I have not heard feminists voice strong pro-immigration opinions. To treat immigrants well? Yeah probably, feminists generally want people to be treated well. But I have not commonly heard feminist groups or individuals "promoting" immigration, which was your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 06:56 PM
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Where are you getting that from? I would expect there to be a wide variety of opinions on the matter. Even just saying "pro-immigration" is a bit too vague IMO. For example, most people, feminist or not, are probably in favour of immigrants with medical qualifications, regardless of what they think of immigration at-large.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 06:50 PM
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If promoting immigration is more important to you than women's rights, then that's fine, but then you can't also claim to be a feminist, No one is doing this though. We're talking about feminism and feminist groups... whose goals are about the rights of women. I'm not aware of any feminist groups/figures/people who make promoting immigration a central goal. Nor has anyone in this comment chain expressed that opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 06:23 PM
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Did you read my post properly? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 06:13 PM
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There have been many news stories about men abusing their positions of power, as you say. If anything, this one is more notable because it's a woman I don't know about the askfeminists subreddit, but I'm not sure that your questions make a lot of sense, so they may not accept your post on those grounds. Also, you seem unaware of the fact that Sheryl Sandberg has been criticised a lot by feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:48 AM
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I don't really understand your first point. We can only judge her as who she is, not as a different person. And this story has been picked up by a large number of news publications. I would say that's a lot of attention!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:34 AM
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Well, she's a woman, so I think we should give her a pass here. No not really. Of course this is an appalling misuse of her position of power. What are you even asking? Seems like you're looking for a gotcha moment, but one doesn't really exist here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:19 AM
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Feminist advocacy is a pretty different thing to immigration advocacy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:07 AM
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I don't know about 'most', but a lot of the ones in their 20s and 30s probably did.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 06:47 AM
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Yeah. Particularly around dating, there's so much about "women only go for the top 10% men" or whatever. A claim based on (checks notes) an Obama-era OKCupid survey of a small number of people lol. It's also not based in reality... like, walk around town. You'll see couples everywhere, and they look... totally ordinary.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 07:33 PM
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I don't really know why you're coming at me like this, especially for such an innocuous comment. Men's Sheds are male community spaces, that's literally the point of them. I'm not sure why you're trying to gotcha me with the fact that women sometimes attend them... I never described them as explicitly, 100% male-only. Only designed for men... which they are. I'm not sure why you're pushing back on me so hard simply for mentioning an initiative that relates to the topic of this post? I think it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 09:45 AM
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Not sure I understand this response. The post talks about men finding other men and hanging out with them, so I thought it would be relevant to provide an example of a community-run male space. To say, there are success stories out there. Hopefully people could take inspiration from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 09:18 AM
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This is a US-centric site - wondering if anyone here has heard of Men's sheds, an Australian initiative for men to have social spaces and improve their wellbeing? Really cool stuff. It seems like there are a few in the US too, and I hope that that would expand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_shed
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 06:35 AM
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Really? I think that almost everyone I know (and most people in general) would agree that social connections are incredibly important to people's wellbeing
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 06:20 AM
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You're arguing that people don't "owe" each other human decency? What? Also, this whole discussion is about men growing better support systems among themselves. What does that have to do with 'men owing women human decency'?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 08:57 PM
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Most people don't like to be around people who complain a lot, no matter what their gender. And taking action rather than wallowing is often a good approach. At the same time, we all need to vent at times, and to be understood, including men. I am sorry that you don't have that kind of understanding in your life :(
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 07:23 AM
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I agree. This is about what what they owe to themselves, and each other
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 07:15 AM
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It seems like you are arguing against the need to make the effort to develop a more well-rounded support system, but I don't really understand why. Women can and should support men in developing better support systems. However, we can't do the work for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 07:14 AM
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again, you wrote, You are the one who characterised him as being disengaged (lying down/watching tv) outside of work. This is one of the main things you said about him. The way you wrote this does make it sound like that was just how he was outside of work, as a rule. If you didn't want to imply that then you should have worded it differently! For that matter, why is it so hard to say, "my bad - you're right that doesn't sound like a description of an amazing guy! I see what you mean, my post im…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 07:23 PM
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All I have to go on are the words that YOU wrote. Her husband was an amazing dude, a hard worker who would work a very hard job the whole day and return to home just to lie down and watch TV. I never heard him raise his voice, never heard them even arguing, and trust me we lived in a building where you could easily tell who was fighting etc If you don't want people to say "hmm.... coming home only to lie down/watch tv doesn't make him sound like a great partner"... then perhaps you should have u…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:52 PM
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I saw what you wrote
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:44 PM
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well you described him that way
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:36 PM
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Someone who spends all their time outside of work lying down/watching TV (your description) doesn't sound like an amazing dude/partner
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:18 PM
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No, this seems like the type of thing people who haven't dated much would believe. 🎯
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:08 PM
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This is such a transactional and extreme way to look at this issue. If you'd just said, "good chemistry is essential to a successful relationship", I'd agree with you. But this is filled with unhelpful black and white takes and "facts" about things that are inherently subjective
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:07 PM
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Her husband was an amazing dude, a hard worker who would work a very hard job the whole day and return to home just to lie down and watch TV. What is this example lol. He spent all his time outside of work lying down and watching TV?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:02 PM
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For real... if your friend is shaming you for dancing with someone else in your 20s... get better friends
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:00 PM
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It will take a long time to see culture change, yes, and that sucks. However, things don't change unless people work towards that change, And before we get to this cultural seachange, working on having a more well-rounded support system is still a fruit worth pursuing - that can only benefit you
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:51 PM
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The fact that it is a difficult task doesn't make it less necessary
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 11:57 AM
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writes a whole post about women being degraded by a sexual act... I don't have some perverted little complex where I derive sexual pleasure out of their degradation lol sure you don't 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:15 PM
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It's not just me who says so, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:13 PM
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I don't agree. It often takes me much longer than 5 seconds to know if I'm attracted to someone, and it's way more holistic than just physical appearance. I guess that what you wrote is your experience of attraction - but it's not universal
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:11 PM
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Dude, I personally know several people who have made a free choice to do sex work. I agree with what you are saying about ethical issues around the industry in general - especially globally (trafficking etc), and in places where sex work is not legal. But in some places it is legal, and becomes a job that people can choose to do
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:09 PM
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looking at a partner as a "prize" is gross dude
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:00 PM
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Fact: a man would choose a 27 year old virgin barista over a 38 year old lawyer with a body count of over 100 damn near 10 times out of 10, assuming both the women were near equals in attractiveness that is not a "fact" lol. some men, sure, but 90%? no way
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:49 PM
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it’s not a profession anyone enters by choice well that's just not true
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:42 PM
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Not necessarily, but it depends on their attitude to sex workers, and women in general
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:33 PM
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Many people mistakenly confuse “bullshit radar” with a “fragile male ego” and lack of self-confidence. Huh? It's not easy to understand what you're even talking about, so I don't think that you can make claims about what 'many people' think
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 07:05 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapes_of_Gis%C3%A8le_Pelicot
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 07:50 AM
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I grew up without my father. And spent 12 years with an abusive stepdad. It really sucks that two key male figures let you down... but then why position yourself as a victim of women? divorce raped No person with a healthy attitude towards women and relationships would say this lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 07:28 AM
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