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Usually an MRA - "men's rights activist." Naturally it has some unsavory connotations, because people fucking hate it when you advocate for men in this day and age.
/r/MensRights17/04/22 11:56 PM
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These aren't "single men looking for partners." These are depressed, suicidal men who have given up because they have concluded the deck is too deeply stacked against them. And all you're doing right now is giving them one more kick in the ribs by pretending they aren't real.
/r/MensRights17/04/22 12:56 PM
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Some fucking Men's Rights movement this is. There are tens of thousands of lonely, miserable, suicidal men out there who society isn't working for at all, and your only message to them is "you're vaguely embarrassing to me so you don't exist."
/r/MensRights17/04/22 12:53 PM
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Gee, I wonder what community I've spent hundreds of hours with, or who those thousands of guys telling me they were incels actually were. What do you think? A secret feminist organization being paid by George Soros to impersonate unhappy virgins?
/r/MensRights17/04/22 12:51 PM
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Gee, I wonder what community I've spent hundreds of hours with, or who those thousands of guys telling me they were incels actually were. What do you think? A secret feminist organization being paid by George Soros to impersonate unhappy virgins?
/r/MensRights17/04/22 12:50 PM
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But then OP went on to claim that there should not be a single person using the "gross" word. Which is a lot like saying that no one should ever say Jew again because we've all heard it spat out like venom.
/r/MensRights17/04/22 02:36 AM
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u/stankathon, of course I read the OP. OP doesn't seem to understand that incels are a community. That they're tens of thousands of young men who call themselves incels, believe in the truth of the blackpill, and lean on each other for support and comfort. And to conclude "that is a dirty word no one should ever say" is not supportive of their community. At all. It's like saying that if women start snarling "what are you, some MGTOW," that we should just ban the word MGTOW because it's a disgust…
/r/MensRights17/04/22 02:22 AM
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Well, you shouldn't feel disgusted with yourself. I think there are two rational ways to feel - either: "It's not such a big deal and I'm absolutely fine. It's not like having my dick touched is going to make me break down in tears, sitting in the shower and eating my own hair. I'm not some forth wave feminist crybully." or "Consent is just as important for men as it is for women and I was sexually abused. Therefore, she is an abuser and I am a victim, and this is her fault and not mine." Either…
/r/MensRights17/04/22 02:14 AM
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As I said, female incels initially adopted that label, and they don't face the same negative connotation A woman coined a similar term - "invcels" - in 1997, but it basically died off, and there's no clear continuity between her listserv and the subreddit that became popular around 2015. It could simply be a case of two people independently inventing similar portmanteaus, eighteen years apart. The 2015-to-present community self-identifies as incels. They were not assigned that label by "Alana" o…
/r/MensRights17/04/22 02:00 AM
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Again, though, what you're missing is that the incel community adopted this label. For themselves. On purpose. It is not something that normies assigned to them one day.
/r/MensRights17/04/22 01:51 AM
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There should not be a single person... using a term as gross and sophomoric as this. Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but what about the thousands of young men who self-identity as incels and belong to incel communities?
/r/MensRights17/04/22 01:35 AM
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"We won't arrest you and put you in jail for taking your shirt off" - good thing. "We'll arrest anyone you don't like looking at you" - bad thing. However, the second hasn't happened, and while we all have perfectly good reasons to be suspicious, I don't think that particular problem is in the cards.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 03:10 PM
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Throughout human history there has been a social and biological burden on men to be strong and to provide. To be aggressive when needed and to be brave. We expect men to die by sacrificing themselves in war and sacrificing themselves by providing. These things are further manifested into the psyche of men from a young age in modern culture You are literally defining "toxic masculinity" as it was first conceptualized by academic feminists. It was the concept that the burden placed on men to be "m…
/r/MensRights13/04/22 10:50 PM
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I'm drunk pretty much all the time. It is the ultimate act of rebellion.
/r/MensRights13/04/22 08:07 PM
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You can wear a fucking leotard for all I care.
/r/MensRights13/04/22 07:15 PM
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Now if somebody could tell me how to mute specific subreddits so I can fully not have to deal with this community any longer, that would be wonderful. Imo, the bad eggs ruin the carton that is this sub. You don't "mute" subreddits; you just unsubscribe from them.
/r/MensRights09/04/22 02:48 AM
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Well, r/MensLib is the sub that "takes the problem seriously" and removes all the knee-jerk misogyny. Unfortunately, that also creates an air of unwelcomeness, since they're thought-policing every fucking word you type.
/r/MensRights08/04/22 11:25 PM
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It's a diverse community. But, yeah, there are enough full-on misogynists here that anything that boils down to "fuck feminism, it's evil" will get upvoted and anything that boils down to "can we acknowledge that men and women both face certain problems" gets downvoted. Of course, that problem is even worse in a feminist sub. It's all just "pick your side, never be fair or reasonable."
/r/MensRights08/04/22 11:21 PM
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I think it's a major red flag when someone is listening to someone specifically to reinforce beliefs they already have. Someone who only reads Brietbart and OANN? Huge red flag. Someone who only reads Jezebel and HuffPo? Huge red flag. Someone who reads all of it or none of it? Yeah. Either of those are good. Jordan Peterson has an interesting and useful perspective. But don't drink the Kool-Aid and look to him like a fucking prophet. Listen to other perspectives, too.
/r/MensRights08/04/22 08:33 PM
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This is the line that raised my eyebrows. At the moment, Ms Clenney does not face any charges for Mr Obumseli’s death. Oh really. Hmmm. Because when a man stabs a woman to death, those charges come pretty fucking fast.
/r/MensRights08/04/22 08:19 PM
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Registering as a non-profit organization and putting up a website would go a long way toward establishing enough credibility to make people comfortable with donating.
/r/MensRights06/04/22 04:57 PM
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This may well be a problem, but I'm not just gonna cash app some random account. I have no idea how you're going to spend the money, and it wouldn't surprise me if the answer ended up being "mostly on my rent."
/r/MensRights06/04/22 04:52 PM
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The Bris is still a sacred ceremony, and if you make it illegal, it's going to look like overt religious persecution.
/r/MensRights05/04/22 07:14 PM
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Well, mostly because it's a centuries-old religious tradition by a people who garnered a lot of sympathy when a crazy man with a bad moustache tried to exterminate them. So, yeah, try to ban that practice and you're definitely going to draw some comparisons to the Nazis.
/r/MensRights05/04/22 07:11 PM
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Makes me think of this classic meme: https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/038/989/image.jpeg It's completely legal in America to write an article on how to plan the perfect crime, so I'm not surprised there wasn't trouble. But, yeah, it definitely sucks that men's lives are seen as having so little value that the thought of killing one of us is just generally seen as amusing.
/r/MensRights04/04/22 04:48 PM
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I say it a lot on this sub, but when women are engaging in bullshit histrionics over nothing, the solution is not to engage in bullshit histrionics over nothing. Yeah, it would be more "fair," but it would also just make everything worse. What we really need is a little unity in our message to women: stop freaking out when a guy says you're attractive. It's a compliment. If you don't like it, that's on you. Grow up.
/r/MensRights04/04/22 01:10 AM
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Are we? I feel like what we're taught is that sex doesn't matter, no one is entitled to sex and therefore no one can complain about not getting sex, we shouldn't annoy women with flirtations that could lead to sex, and the way we express our sex drive is toxic. There's definitely a pretty huge generation gap, though. We've come a long way from Sixteen Candles and Revenge of the Nerds to... a video game industry that considers it offensive to depict a woman with more than B-cup breasts or showing…
/r/MensRights02/04/22 10:54 PM
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I mean, I get that. Women assume we're always down to fuck and they impugn our masculinity if we'd rather not. It's a problem, and it's a valid men's issue. I just don't think it has its roots in our "being sexualized as children." Doesn't seem like the issue to me. It's really more down to the "men only want one thing" stereotype, and the way that, while women used to fight so hard to avoid being stereotyped, we... really haven't gotten that message out.
/r/MensRights02/04/22 10:47 PM
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So, what happened to, say, Emily Ratajkowski is a problem. From the time she was about six years old she was in beauty pageants, no one would talk about anything but her looks, and her whole life was being spent taught how to be desirable to men. At a time when she's supposed to be a little kid, the main thrust of what she's learning is how to seduce. So, that kind of thing is an issue. Not a rampant social issue - the EmRats of this world are quite rare - but an issue. But it's like we took tha…
/r/MensRights02/04/22 04:49 PM
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What I find interesting is that it was liberals who used to advocate for opening up sexually, but feminists, who like to call themselves liberal, are usually pretty prude about both male and female sexuality. Yeah, the third wave of feminism was just so different from this fourth wave. I was just thinking about song lyrics. About how in the '90s I listened to Tori Amos a lot - then considered a feminist hero - and it was song after another about emergent sexuality. "Getting off, getting off, whi…
/r/MensRights02/04/22 03:56 PM
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The blog is arguing that lawfare is the answer to unfair child custody practices, and I agree. It is most certainly not the answer to many men's issues. You can't sue your way out of "95% of workplace fatalities are men" or "the suicide rate is four times higher for men" or "men exist under a cloud of suspicion that we intend to harm any woman or child we're speaking to."
/r/MensRights02/04/22 02:43 PM
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Nobody before this generation worried about "sexualizing" people. We recognized that people are sexual. That they were full of desires and that they were desirable. And that when they were kids, they weren't quite sexual yet, but they were sure about to be. This generation seems to think that people are inherently non-sexual unless a culture "sexualizes" them, and it's... one of the most insane cultural beliefs I've ever seen. I don't really love the stance "for the sake of fairness, let's be ju…
/r/MensRights02/04/22 02:23 PM
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Sex positive people will be way more opposed to drunk sex than sex negative people. No. They won't. You're just repeating the way fourth-wave feminists have repurposed the phrase "sex-positive" to mean its exact opposite. It's their favorite rhetorical trick. "Well, porn is inherently coercive and wrong and all sex needs to take place after STD testing and a long conversation about birth control and reproductive rights and it needs to be sober and 100% enthusiastic and "sane" and there needs to …
/r/MensRights02/04/22 02:43 AM
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And in the case you're being bad faith and calling drunk sex "consensual" then it's just more sexism, the belief that men always want sex and are "lucky" to have it, even if they're raped is just one more aspect of things MRA claim to stand for. And here's where our fundamental philosophical difference lies. I'm sex-positive. I think that sex is really pretty fucking harmless. As long as you take reasonable precautions to avoid disease and unwanted pregnancy, it is just a pleasurable activity fo…
/r/MensRights02/04/22 01:03 AM
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Not someone else using your intoxication to push you towards or force you to male a choice you wouldn't do. The entire business model of a strip club or casino is getting their customers drunk so they make bad decisions. And I'm sure those mobile games know that a whole lot of their whales are alcoholics. No one's going to stop me from buying shit I don't need or over-donating to charity. I'm close to someone who runs University fundraisers, and you know what Step One is? Get the donors drunk. O…
/r/MensRights01/04/22 11:50 PM
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I can't understand what point you're making here. If you're unable to not be drunk then that's on you, not on society to fix. That's exactly what I'm saying. A drunken decision is on you. If I stay up until 6:00, I can't tell my boss "it wasn't my decision, it was the alcohol, so I don't have to come in." If I drunkenly spend my entire paycheck on useless bullshit I don't need, from lap dances to mobile game microtransactions, I don't get to say "it wasn't my decision, it was the alcohol, so eve…
/r/MensRights01/04/22 11:35 PM
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Yes. I'm aware. The law should change, or be clarified. That is a better activist position to take than "Let's put all the women who have slept with drunk men in prison, too."
/r/MensRights01/04/22 06:39 PM
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I hate the double standard, but I come down way more on the side of "drunken consent is still consent" and way less on the side of "let's punish women for harmless shit just to make things more fair." I get drunk a lot. Sometimes I make decisions I regret. It's still on me, and no one else, to own them. Obviously someone who is literally unconscious cannot consent. But someone who drinks a lot and says "let us fuck now"? They usually drink so that they can remove their inhibitions and do things …
/r/MensRights01/04/22 04:24 PM
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My point is to punish harshly both. First of all because I think it's fair, you don't but that's ok, second of all so that we can leverage that against them but we gotta be united. Oof, I have the exact opposite opinion. Will slapped Chris. Chris wasn't hurt. Now, I imagine there will be consequences for Will. This isn't going to be good for his career at all. But what do you think is an appropriate "harsh punishment"? A year in prison? Do we really want to live in a society where every time a m…
/r/MensRights30/03/22 06:40 PM
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You won't be making up my mind, I won't make up yours, so it's time better spent to go to the gym. Well, that's not really the point of debate, is it. It's to clarify your own position and to better understand the limits of the things you believe and the reasons you believe them. And to me this is interesting: from a strategic point of view you're facilitating women's weapons while simultaneously outlawing men's. Actually if we wanna shift the balance we need a high number of people pushing for …
/r/MensRights30/03/22 06:05 PM
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If you have a disagreement, there's no point in debating? Sort of seems like that's the only time there's a point to debating.
/r/MensRights30/03/22 05:14 PM
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I'm not mistaking anything. It's you who has proposed an expanded but extremely vague definition of "violence." Something akin to "a violation, but only a violation of any social norms about the way people should treat each other, except, well, no, obviously not those ones." I prefer "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something." Simple and straightforward.
/r/MensRights30/03/22 05:08 PM
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No.
/r/MensRights30/03/22 05:04 PM
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No because things are not violating you If your definition of "violence" is "see:violate," then parking my RV on a residential street is an act of violence, as I have violated a local parking ordinance. BUT it should be up to what's commonly considered as wrong in this current era And this just means that standing up to any popular social idea is an act of violence. For example, if I say "Encanto is a rather sexist film," by your definition I have committed an act of violence against women. I wo…
/r/MensRights30/03/22 04:57 PM
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My point is that you cannot define a word based on its etymology. When I call you a guy, I am not calling you a Catholic terrorist. When I refer to a ladybug, I am making no reference at all to the Virgin Mary. If that's so then all doctors are trolling/lying when they talk about stressed-induced diseases or heart attacks. Do you define "violence" as "anything that can cause stress or lead to a heart attack"? Is distilling vodka violence? Is crunching on a project violence? Is low-density lipopr…
/r/MensRights30/03/22 04:47 PM
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Violence comes from Lation violate which means to violate. Therefore, every violation has a degree of violence. Otherwise the sentence "rights were violated" would make no sense. This is just terrible logic. Muscle comes from the Latin mus which means mouse. Therefore, every mouse is, by definition, a human muscle. Therefore, to eat a mouse is an act of cannibalism. See how ridiculous the logic is?
/r/MensRights30/03/22 03:16 PM
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Well, I agree with a lot of this. I agree that Will committed an act of violence, Will is in the wrong, and Chris did nothing wrong. And I agree that violence is always physical, and analogies to violence like "verbal violence" are not actually forms of violence. The points I disagree with him on are: That something that happens in front of millions of people is inconsequential. Of course this matters, and of course it both helps clarify, and even helps steer, what the general culture thinks abo…
/r/MensRights30/03/22 03:10 PM
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That sub is the female version of this one Hard disagree. This sub has a pretty wide diversity of opinions about women, from misogynists all the way up to feminists, with most of us falling somewhere in between. FDS, on the other hand, is just a straight-up man-hating sub.
/r/MensRights29/03/22 04:15 AM
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I cannot ignore the second photo. What the heck?!
/r/MensRights29/03/22 04:14 AM
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Yeah, I'm not really a "pill" kind of guy. You may be leaning pretty heavily into stereotype right now.
/r/MensRights24/03/22 11:47 PM
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This subreddit is a conversation about the Men's Rights movement. But, okay... I would like to hear about what mens rights means to you! To me, it's about addressing the problems men have to live with in the world. We have so little a voice in the current culture that people often screw up their faces and say "What problems?" Well, we comprise barely one third of college graduates these days. Our poverty rate and homeless rate is much higher than that of women. The vast majority of prisoners are…
/r/MensRights23/03/22 08:43 PM
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I'm not a big or strong man. I would lose a physical fight with most men and honestly a fair proportion of women. But when I'm in a room with a guy who could break me in half, I'm not sitting there in a constant state of terror that he'll rob or rape or curb-stomp me. Why would I? Those kinds of things exist in the world, sure, but they're rare - and who would want to live a life of constant fear and paranoia? I'm not sure whether women have been taught to be constantly terrified - or if most of…
/r/MensRights20/03/22 01:00 AM
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I mean, my son looks exactly like me, and at the time my wife got pregnant she was obsessed with me and spending literally 100% of her free time with me. So, a mandatory paternity test - am I required to pay for it? Or are my taxes going to be raised so I can pay for a tiny fraction of everyone's? Either way, I'm paying my own money for something I absolutely don't need, because the government says I have to. I don't like that.
/r/MensRights19/03/22 01:55 AM
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When it comes to the word "mandatory," I want the government to do the absolute minimum necessary. I'm an adult. I can make my own decisions about whether I want to know the genetic makeup of my wife's child.
/r/MensRights19/03/22 12:09 AM
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I am mostly mad because she had no respect for my boundaries and she crossed many. I have often observed that, given two identical situations, a man will feel anger while a woman will feel fear. Is fear more harmful? Well, maybe. Fear almost always feels bad, while anger often feels good. Then again, anger sometimes gets you sent to prison. But if identical situations cause different emotional responses, and that's biological, then clearly men and women are not equal. And if equal protections do…
/r/MensRights18/03/22 11:20 PM
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I guess my question is how much trauma you feel. I mean, are you okay? Has the experience left you afraid of strangers on the street, scared that women will abuse you, feeling like you're nothing but an object for other people's pleasure? Or are you just pissed off about the double standard?
/r/MensRights18/03/22 10:21 PM
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Yeah, there's definitely a double standard. Here's some of my disorganized thoughts about it. Nothing you described would traumatize me. At worst it would annoy me. At best, I feel like at least I got some pussy. But women tell us that something like this would be extremely traumatic to them and therefore they must be protected by stronger laws. Which gets me to thinking: are women just inherently more fragile than us? Just inherently emotionally weaker? If an ugly girl slaps me on the butt I'm …
/r/MensRights18/03/22 09:33 PM
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I mean, the whole story takes place in your own head. You were in a state of high anxiety because our culture has taught you that women hate being looked at and consider it violent. She may have been in a state of high anxiety because our culture has taught her that you were going to leer at her, objectify her, and follow her out to the parking lot to rape her. Or she may have barely even fucking noticed you. I guess the only thing I can really say about this is: fuck this culture! People should…
/r/MensRights18/03/22 09:25 PM
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Honestly... no. I don't find me attractive. Why should she? At least if we both agree I'm kinda bad looking, we have something in common. And respect for each others' aesthetic tastes. What I want is for her to find me brilliant or insightful or talented or deviously kinky. And turning her around from "you're not much to look at" to "fuck, I just came so hard" - well, it doesn't get much better than that for me.
/r/MensRights18/03/22 06:00 PM
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If I waited for a partner with no red flags... I'd still be waiting. I'd be a 43-year-old virgin. Or at least relationship-virgin. Plus, if I'm being honest, a partner with no red flags would just be so boring. Our flaws give us character.
/r/MensRights18/03/22 05:33 PM
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Well, in my case, I got a drunken "I want to, but you're just too short." And I knew that even though that was insulting, I knew it was just insecurity about her own height. And I dated that woman for about a year. And with the other one, the message I got was a pretty clear "I want to, but I have a boyfriend. And he's a fucking dumbass. I'm way too smart for him. But he moved across the country to be with me and I feel like I owe him." I didn't have to wait long to date that woman. Two year rel…
/r/MensRights18/03/22 05:21 PM
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There are different kinds of "no"s. There are "I want to, but" nos, and there are "I don't want to" nos. It's important to be able to tell the difference. I have dated two women who started at "I want to, but" and they were both very good experiences.
/r/MensRights18/03/22 05:03 PM
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I don't think Christine Ford was lying. I just think she was describing a moment so unexceptional, so common, and so harmless that to think it was relevant to his confirmation is just a complete indictment of our culture.
/r/MensRights18/03/22 04:45 AM
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You do know that any time you touch someone and they don't necessarily want you to, that's assault, right?
/r/MensRights18/03/22 01:30 AM
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That kind of sky-high rhetoric can be used to recontextualize almost any event. Like, when I was in eleventh grade, I called my friend's girlfriend ugly and he whacked me on the back of the head. Now, sure, we could call that felony assault and battery, point out that head injuries can be fatal, and claim that he's a violent criminal who engaged in reckless endangerment and even attempted murder. And we can say that physical violence must never be normalized and that as a victim I have a respons…
/r/MensRights18/03/22 12:14 AM
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Yes. Wrestled around. You know, before the Internet, kids used to play. They used to have these things called "parties," where they actually looked each other in the eye and laughed and played and flirted. And they were bad at flirting, because they were kids and they were still learning. So once in a while they put their hands on each other in ways the other one didn't really like. It happened to all of us, male and female alike, and we all just accepted it. But now, well, we're a much more mor…
/r/MensRights17/03/22 07:27 PM
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He was incredibly upset, because he'd worked tirelessly his entire life to achieve a goal, and had earned a tremendous deal of respect for his work - and now that goal was just within reach, and all the country wanted to talk about was the time when he was sixteen years old and drank some beer and wrestled around with a girl, in public, for less than one minute. An event so unimportant he couldn't even remember it. Yeah, he didn't comport himself with a stoic dignity, but I could certainly feel …
/r/MensRights17/03/22 07:20 PM
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I remember distinctly when Brett Kavanaugh was being selected to serve in the Supreme Court. I voiced my opinion that, even though it's POSSIBLE he did rape her, I believe in the notion that founded this country of "innocent until proven guilty." A stronger argument would be to point out that absolutely no one was accusing him of rape. Ford's story was that he wrestled her onto the bed in front of his friend, put his hand on her mouth when she tried to scream, and then let her go and fell off th…
/r/MensRights17/03/22 05:42 PM
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I punched stuff in an attempt to build callouses on my knuckles because I assumed that was a significant component of self-defense. I wouldn't characterize that as self-harm, though.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 11:09 PM
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I might miss subtle makeup, but I wouldn't miss lipstick and eyeliner. Also, you were really looking for r/AskMen, not r/MensRights.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 09:29 PM
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Fifty plus, well, Federal. Like rapes taking place in D.C.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 04:41 PM
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"Why is sex special" is definitely an interesting question. I've always considered it far less special than most people. But it is still, in some ways, special. I'm sure you can see that. Imagine you have an older, unattractive, overweight boss, and she says "I'll fire you if you don't wash my car." Well, that's obviously demeaning, but it's also honest labor. You can wash the car and have no trouble living with yourself in the morning. But if she instead says "I'll fire you if you don't eat my …
/r/MensRights16/03/22 08:32 AM
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Because if one party is looking for sex in a relationship, the other one however is not, than does the former have the right to make an agreement to the latter? I'm having trouble parsing this sentence. You seem to be asking whether a high-libido partner has a right to make an agreement with a low-libido partner. I suppose that depends on the agreement in question, right?
/r/MensRights16/03/22 08:20 AM
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Should it be illegal to pressure someone into sex, even using threats that are completely within your legal rights to make? Yeah, probably. Should the punishment be years in prison? No, that's completely fucking ridiculous. Should the law be applied evenly to men and women? Absolutely.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 08:15 AM
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It's important to remember that, in the U.S., under the vast majority of circumstances, rape is a state law. Not a Federal law. So we don't have one rape law; we have fifty-one. And they differ from each other substantially. In Texas, for example, the law as regards rape is based on coercion. An act is only considered rape if you use force or the threat of force. And coercion is specifically defined as the threat of bodily injury. The threat of demanding someone move out of your home would not q…
/r/MensRights16/03/22 08:04 AM
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Yeah, there's bad ones out there. Everyone on this sub is well aware of that. My first wife punched and bit and clawed me when I did something even as minor as burn a pizza. It was fucking awful, and I knew that no one would help me because I outweighed her by a hundred pounds and could toss her over a fence. Everyone's instinct was to make sure she was protected. But it made my life unlivable and I ended up suicidal. I don't know what to tell you about that one. It's a risk we all take. There a…
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:56 AM
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In my experience, women instinctively see a lonely man living with his mom as undesirable - and see a lonely man living by himself as an opportunity. Some men look at that cynically. "Um, yeah, an opportunity for money." I just look at it biologically. What do men, from a genetic standpoint, want? They want to put their penis in a healthy woman so a healthy baby will come out. That's what our genes tell us we need. And what do women, again just from a genetic standpoint, want? They want a man wh…
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:44 AM
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Also my mother can offer me support when I need it. That is exactly the problem. Being emotionally reliant on your birth family means you have no emotional space left to open up to the new family (or "practice family") that you choose and build yourself. Women don't date guys who don't have that available emotional real estate. They don't think about it in those terms, but I am quite certain that is what is happening. And the reason male sexuality is collapsing. The reason that 81% of young men …
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:36 AM
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About three hundred. I'm not accusing you of being an incel. I'm just saying that your lifestyle is directly correlated, and in my opinion quite likely directly responsible, for the misery and isolation that incels experience. And it doesn't seem like you're any stranger to misery and isolation at all.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:34 AM
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So, I glanced at your profile. You've made quite a few posts about feeling ugly, hating being single, being lonely, feeling unloved, being worried you're falling into incel mentality. I had the same problems. Every one of my friends who have lived with their mom too long have had these problems. And I've learned that they don't even start to improve until you establish your independence. Back when r/braincels was active, I ran a poll - and found that over 95% of incels live with their mom. And I…
/r/MensRights16/03/22 12:17 AM
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Okay, sure. Extended cohabitation with parents is an important men's issue. Men who don't leave the house in their early twenties - and ideally, late teens - fall further and further behind and end up isolated, depressed, and probably unable to ever really succeed. This problem does not really apply to women. A 25 year old woman will not ruin her life by living with her mom. A 25 year old man will.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 11:40 PM
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I had a close friend who came out as trans. I had no problem with calling her "her" or using her new feminine name. But over time she became more and more ideological and preachy to the point no one could stand her. She was policing every syllable of everyone's language for microaggressions or cis-centrism or problematic verbiage. And eventually we had a fight, she attacked me, she claimed I made her do that by staring at her, and after that we were no longer friends. So I guess my thoughts on t…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 11:31 PM
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I'm not sure what the takeaway is. He struggled with depression, had made two significant suicide gestures, and finally did it. And the pandemic was clearly very hard on him. But is this indicative of a men's problem, or was it more of, you know, his personal problem?
/r/MensRights14/03/22 07:26 PM
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Well, I haven't read it, so there's only so much I can discuss. But it seems very weird that in the middle of a zombie apocalypse, there would be a "legion" of TERFs out hunting down trans people. You gotta give authors a little creative license with apocalyptic fiction, I guess, but... the world is ending and that's their priority?? But, as I said - I haven't read it.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 06:51 PM
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Well that will teach the U.S. military not to mess with Iran!
/r/MensRights14/03/22 03:43 PM
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You have provided no reliable sources for your claims and therefore you lose. I have to hand it to you: it's super satisfying to be this lazy.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 05:45 PM
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All I said was that the governments pay money from all our taxes, including yours, to pay for discriminatory policies Provide me with a reliable source that government money is spent on discriminatory policies.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 05:40 PM
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/sigh Again with this empty claim. Women do not fork anything over. The governments fork over your money. Let's just try something. Please provide me with a reliable source that the government provides more resources for women than donations by individuals.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 05:15 PM
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I definitely find it frustrating when one group of people say "Feminism is just the radical notion that women are people!" and another group says "Feminism is the eight most offensive things that Andrea Dworkin ever said!" Feminism's fucking complicated and cannot be summed up in a sentence or ten. Not even feminists themselves agree on what it means to be feminist. I'm not with you in everything in this post, but I'm definitely with you on that.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 06:26 AM
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Uh, no. No idea where you got the debt information from, but his Wikipedia page says 'he closed his shelter because he was no longer able to financially run it'. I have a dim memory of reading that he went deep indo debt to try to finance the shelter. If there was no debt, well, then it's just an ordinary failed venture, which would sure make his suicide sound like a simple case of mental illness. I've been in several failed ventures and yet here I am. And virtually all successful men have taste…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 04:25 AM
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You wouldn't be doing the homework for me, but for yourself. Proving your claims is on you, not on me... In a high school debate, sure. In a conversation about a rights movement, "I don't believe you, prove it to a legal standard" just signals that you don't care enough about the issue to bother learning about it. It takes two seconds to say "SOURCE?!" and a couple hours to read about charitable giving by feminist women. Apparently, two seconds is what you have for the issue. Using your homework…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 04:19 AM
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The idea that "if you donate resources to your cause, you'll kill yourself" is just a ridiculous lesson to take away from Silverman. Utterly ridiculous. The guy completely overextended himself. He went into debt trying to be charitable. Obviously, don't do that. It's the same logic as if a doctor suggests you drink more water and you spit back "But Jennifer Strange drank water and she died, you fucking monster."
/r/MensRights12/03/22 04:46 PM
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You're doing that thing where you hear something you don't want to believe, so you say "So then I won't believe it unless you can provide me with ultra-specific numerical data, published in a peer-reviewed journal." And then you figure that I won't do half an hour of homework for you, and that on the off-chance I do you'll certainly be able to find a nitpick with anything I do find, and so there's no threat that you'll have to believe the thing you don't want to. The refusal to look into the iss…
/r/MensRights12/03/22 04:43 PM
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First as my English isn't perfect what does jeopardized mean 😅 It means "put in danger." the second thing is that men choose more effective suicide methods because they don't want help but want to end it I think you're right, but it's horrific that four times as many men want to end it as women do. That single data point, all on its own, really says something about how society and culture is failing men - that so many of them don't even want to live.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 06:31 AM
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Sure, I have theories. I theorize that it's some combination of: Girls are getting special attention and resources that boys aren't; Classrooms and curricula aren't designed with boys' needs in mind; We are constantly barraged with cultural messages that girls work hard to succeed and boys do not, which children are internalizing.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 04:36 AM
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I don't really think it's about legal "rights" anymore. 41% of eighth grade girls can write proficiently and only 20% of eighth grade boys can do the same. That isn't a question of someone's rights being violated. But it's a huge problem. Barely over one third of college graduates are men. Not a rights violation. Huge problem. 97% of workplace fatalities are of men. Not a rights violation. Huge problem. The suicide rate is nearly four times higher among men than among women. Not a rights violati…
/r/MensRights12/03/22 04:31 AM
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By the eighth grade, 41 percent of girls are at least proficient in writing, compared with just 20 percent of boys. Men now earn 39 percent of college degrees while the median annual earnings of a man with a high-school diploma have dropped 26 percent in the past 40 years. It is terrifying that this is so little known by the general population.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 02:12 AM
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Sounds like Earl Silverman made some positive changes to the world. If nothing else, you know his name, you have a better sense of what you're up against, and you know not to go deeper into philanthropy than you can actually afford. He's remembered for something for more substantial than just a little bitching on the Internet. It's a shame about his suicide.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:07 AM
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"Do you have" is such a weird way to ask that question. What I have is Google. Same as you. But, sure. https://www.thenonprofittimes.com/report/giving-to-women-girls-hit-7-1-billion/ About $7 billion a year from a combination of individuals, corporations, and foundations. Planned Parenthood had 300,000 individual donations in 2017. The Women's March alone raised over $2 million from individuals donating via GoFundMe.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 12:56 AM
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I'm not entirely understanding how buying a lottery ticket or a some Juul Pods constitutes "sexual freedom." I'm also skeptical that any substantial number of men would sign up for a card that made their money useless at any business that sold vice items, from Applebee's to CVS to 7-Eleven.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 05:32 PM
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I don't believe that even a little bit. I think the vast majority of men here are making it very clear that they will never donate to a men's organization and don't think they should have to.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 05:09 PM
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That's why I believe that the best way to evolve male sexual rights to a more equal footing with female sexual rights is not to just blindly extend female sexual rights to men in the name of sameness, but to grant different sexual rights to men and women to achieve true equality. One way to do this could be a Right-to-Self-Exclusion Act that could allow a man to self-exclude from excessive sexual freedom under the law in favour of more adequate sexual protection under the law. Could you explain …
/r/MensRights11/03/22 05:08 PM
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Well, if intactivism is something you care about, maybe you should shift your two bucks a month away from a donation you care less about.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:45 PM
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The title of bills is not part of the actual law. The Patriot Act, for example, does not mandate that all Americans be patriotic. As that would be unconstitutional.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:45 PM
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Well, 6,250 intactivists each donating two dollars a month would cover it.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:37 PM
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A law that literally discriminates against men by excluding them entirely from protections from domestic violence is not anti-male? If that's how you really feel, I guess there's no point in continuing this conversation. It's not a matter of my feelings; what you are saying is literally untrue. VAWA, despite its title, specifically has gender-neutral language and provisions explicitly stating that it should not be taken to construe male victims as ineligible for services under the Act and that o…
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:35 PM
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I don't really consider that bill any more "anti-male" than, say, the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 or the various Three-Strikes Laws that followed it a decade later. It's true that our justice system is horrifically anti-male. But that doesn't seem to be a problem generated by feminism. In fact, it seems to predate feminism. The way we think about law and punishment in this society is really twisted.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:18 PM
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Do you have any idea of how much money feminist organizations solicit directly from the public in the form of donations? It's in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Every year. Women donate, and men... react with dozens of furious downvotes when I suggest we do the same.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:12 PM
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Offer a $150,000 salary, and you'll have thirty excellent candidates to choose from.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:10 PM
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Okay, I'll bite. What anti -male legislation was NOW drafting in the 1990s?
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:08 PM
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I see, so your plan is just "trust the government to treat you right." How's that working out for you?
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:07 PM
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or more accurately "everything good has a stain on it" Indeed. That is what is accurate. That is what I actually said. And it's true. Was giving women the right to vote and work and own property good? Absolutely. Is treating women like human beings good? Absolutely. Does it have stains on it? Of course. Everything good does. Also you fucking ignoramus democracy didn't start with a bunch of drunks spilling tea I very intentionally specified modern democracy. Modern democracy, democracy as we know…
/r/MensRights11/03/22 08:22 AM
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Greater societal change in which people's views on men would be a necessary precursor for charitable action to actually mean something Societal change is not brought about by nobodies on the Internet tYpING lIKe ThIS. Sorry it just isn't. Money talks and passionate posts get lost into the noise of a million others just like them.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 07:05 AM
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And cut the fucking strawman, he didn't say "our spciety used to be perfect pre-feminism" he said "all forms of feminism is evil because they advocate for unfair priveleges with none of the responsibility.". Ironically, by reframing my argument as something I quite clearly didn't say and attacking that instead of what I did say, you have committed a straw man fallacy. (Straw man. It's two words. It's not a comic book villain named Strawman.) Feminism is evil because the only thing it agrees on i…
/r/MensRights11/03/22 06:17 AM
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If you choose your friendships based on demographic categories, I think that's a bad thing. Demographic categories shouldn't matter. Only individual personalities. And no, I don't have a double standard on this. If a woman says "I don't want to have straight men for friends," I think she's a bad person.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 05:37 AM
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I mean, this is our failure of communication in a nutshell. To you, feminism is "What is the most radical person saying." To me, feminism is closer to "What does Disney consider to be a feminist film." Because there is *always" some crazy fucking asshole. Were there a few GamerGaters who truly believed that Zoe Quinn should be raped and murdered and dismembered? Sure. Did they represent the entire movement? Not unless you're a dishonest misandrist who insists on believing the worst. The mainstre…
/r/MensRights11/03/22 05:33 AM
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You know what option I am talking about. Hint: its not violence. Its peace and tranquility par-excellence. Are you talking about the five-letter acronym that suggests that the ultimate answer is to live a lonely life separated from society and leave no legacy at all?
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:35 AM
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No, man, you don't. I've been on avoiceformen and men's subreddits since 2012. Ten years, and the men's movement is absolutely fucking nowhere. If anything it's losing ground. There's no parachute. Just a gleeful plummet toward cold concrete.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:24 AM
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We don't need to "fix" Brother K. We just need to shift our attention to an advocate who commands respect. Someone who has an advanced degree. Wears a suit. Speaks eloquently about how from a medical perspective the risks of circumcision and lack of benefits are incompatible with our modern understanding of the Hippocratic oath. And doesn't use the word "intactivist." That man, given our resources and support, can cause the circumcision rate to drop precipitously and quickly.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:21 AM
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I wouldn't want any friend who would cheerfully support me as I drive myself right off a cliff.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:17 AM
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You know, in this life you can focus on what's unfair or you can focus on what works. If it's the former you'll die miserable and if it's the latter you'll make positive changes to the world.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:11 AM
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The comparison is they both show up in strange over-the-top costumes and call themselves by strange names that make people say "Okay, a crazy person. Apparently this movement is crazy." Most people aren't won over by the sheer logical force or passionate delivery of an argument. They're considering the question: is this a respectable thing to believe. Will people respect me if I believe it. And Brother K? One glance and your average suburban middle manager says "Whoa! Okay. Not respectable at al…
/r/MensRights11/03/22 01:31 AM
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Well, suffice to say that Jake Angeli has done more to harm his own cause than any enemy of that cause ever did.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 12:20 AM
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Okay, but do you know who the guy is? What he supports? And what the effect of his support has been?
/r/MensRights11/03/22 12:12 AM
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Did you want to address where you cited a victory in achieving non-discrimination in domestic violence resource distribution as something "pathetic"? You really think it's a "victory" that Women's Centers are the ones funding and organizing and running men's shelters because men are absolutely unable and unwilling to provide for each others' care in any meaningful way? It's a "victory" that we have to rely on feminists to shelter men whose wives have abused and isolated them to the point they're…
/r/MensRights11/03/22 12:04 AM
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I don't really know how old you are. Or whether you experienced '90s feminism. But to me the differences are stark. And they really show up in our media and culture. Feminist media in the '90s was like Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Which had strong female characters. And not "strong" meaning "awesome at Kung Fu," but "strong" meaning "has a moral center, is willing to make hard decisions and sacrifices, is willing to work hard to achieve a goal." But Buffy didn't just have strong female characters -…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 11:35 PM
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Your major thrust in the comment chain with /u/Wylanderuk is that men deserve to have little to no DV resources because they haven't sufficiently fund-raised to lobby against feminist corruption in distributing funding. Deserve? No. It's simply a natural consequence. Kids who grow up in houses insulated with asbestos may not deserve to get cancer, but they will. And it's more important to actually remove the asbestos than to just point at the kid and say "that kid shouldn't have cancer!" It says…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 11:08 PM
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And I am speaking about the need to grow and properly fund them, and hand them the reins in strategizing about how to advance the cause of men's rights, and the men of this sub are reacting like I've just said the stupidest fucking thing imaginable.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 10:18 PM
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If that were true, how could have black people ever had liberated themselves under the American apartheid? They certainly did not have the resources to fund political lobbies as literal slaves. Well, sure, let's talk about Civil Rights. Of course there was money. The NAACP was founded in 1909. It raised money. Lots of it. Every year. And with that money, they strategized. Rosa Parks wasn't an accident that happened - they vetted her for the role. They rejected anyone who had anything unsympathet…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 10:09 PM
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Why refer to a movement as an organisation? You haven't made it any clearer Aspirationally, I suppose. Organizations achieve goals. Movements without organizations basically just embarrass themselves and raise money for the opposing side.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 10:01 PM
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I don't hate men at all. I want us to succeed. Look, if you're a conservative and you got an invitation to the Unite the Right rally in 2017, the best thing you could say is: this is stupid. There's no funding here. There's no leadership here. There's no goal here. The absolute best-case scenario is that some yahoo brings an offensive sign or flag and it's all the media will talk about. If we're going to do this we need to do it right." You wouldn't say that because you hate conservatives. You'd…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 09:59 PM
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What organisation? Who or what are you referring to and when? I'm speaking about the Men's Rights Movement. I envision it, at least in an ideal world, as a movement that sets and accomplishes actual goals. Perhaps you just envision it as an online support group for men who want to whine about how shitty the world is because men's needs are ignored. Well, you certainly can, and do, have that.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 09:52 PM
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I will ask again. Do you have any documentation or sources on the history of funding of feminist organizations? Do I "have" them? Like in a file cabinet? No, I don't. I have Google and Wikipedia, same as you do. I suppose I could Google up the history of feminist fundraising and send you a bunch of links. But I'm also sure you can do that work just as easily as I can. And I highly doubt that they did. What is much more likely to have happened, is that rich people felt sorry for their cause and d…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 09:05 PM
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He was on the Tosh.0 show which was seen by millions of young people. Tosh.0 is a literal freak show. Tosh brings the weirdos of the world up on stage so we can collectively laugh at them. If Daniel Tosh is telling the world "Get a load of this guy who pours blood on his pants," that doesn't mean you're winning. It means you've made your own movement into a laughingstock.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 08:31 PM
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Um, okay. Do I even want to ask?
/r/MensRights10/03/22 08:22 PM
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Do you have any sources for your claims on how women's organizations are funded? Because as I added to my comment, where I live, they are financed by the government, which, as has been studied, is overwhelmingly financed by men as a group. You aren't wrong at all. Women's organizations receive lots of government money. But the government didn't spontaneously start doing that. It did it because of lobbying. Lobbyists hired with private money. Private money collected through donations. Susan B. An…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 07:25 PM
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Yep, that's pretty much exactly where feminists were sixty years ago, and they sucked it up and opened their purses. And now they have organizations of women with doctoral degrees getting paid six-figure salaries to rub elbows with politicians and CEOs and celebrities and do some arm-twisting and horse-trading. While we have a legion of Twitter trolls and YouTubers with a smartphone but no script. Plus a guy who pours blood down his pants. We are really exceptional at bringing knives to gunfight…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 07:15 PM
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It all starts at the grassroots level. Donations by feminists created lobbyist organizations to lobby the government to pass legislation. Donations by feminists hired professionals who could say to politicians: do this and I can get you ten thousand votes. Men can see the template they used - there's no secret there at all - and yet for some reason we refuse to replicate it.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 07:08 PM
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Quite a copypasta there. Look, there has never been a movement that was pure as the driven snow. I like democracy. Let's not forget that modern democracy as we know it began with a bunch of drunks attacking a private merchant's ship and throwing all his tea in the water in an insane move that didn't make any sense at all. And let's not forget that when they finally got together to set up a government, one of their primary concerns was making sure to maintain a system of race slavery. Everything …
/r/MensRights10/03/22 06:45 PM
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You have a wallet. You can give your money to any org you see fit. Nobody has a death grip on it.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 06:40 PM
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Well, I disagree. I was right with them until 2014, when feminism took a hard turn toward the crazy. It really wasn't anti-male in 2013. I know, it seems like so long ago. But it was focused on equality. Sometimes it would even broach the idea that if a woman got caressed on the thigh at a hotel bar, it was her own decision whether to be angry, be polite, or go upstairs and sleep with the guy. Just as it would be a man's decision if a woman did that to him. And then suddenly Elliot Rodger killed…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 06:34 PM
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Fourth wave feminism is really insane. First wave: "We should have the right to vote." Second wave: "We should have the right to equal pay and respect." Third wave: "Femininity is whatever we say it is, and this isn't just for rich white women anymore." Fourth wave: "Men suck and they're always talking too much and spreading their legs too far apart on the train."
/r/MensRights10/03/22 06:13 PM
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The Don't Become That Man helpline exists because people raised and paid money for it to exist. The newspaper is aware of its existence because people raised and paid money for a professional whose job it is to inform them of it. When I Google "resources for men who have been abused by women," I do get a page on resources for men who have suffered domestic violence and sexual abuse - and it's run by the Onslow Women's Center. Our organization and fundraising is so pathetic that we're literally r…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 06:09 PM
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If you really think Big Circumcision is receiving kickbacks to stay in business, isn't the answer entirely obvious? You raise some money and grease some palms. If the intactivist movement were quietly soliciting donations and hiring professional lobbyists, circumcision rates might have fallen fifty percent by now. But the average citizen is the exact opposite of impressed by a guy giving himself a cultist name and pouring blood on his pants.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 04:22 PM
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Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about Jake Angeli, the QAnon Shaman?
/r/MensRights10/03/22 04:15 PM
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No, they aren't "causing" it - they're utterly irrelevant and nobody cares about them - but if they do get the attention of a doctor, all that doctor is going to say is "Okay, Brother K, let me just write you a referral to a psychiatric colleague of mine..."
/r/MensRights10/03/22 04:13 PM
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I'm not quite sure what your meaning is; there are at least three ways I can interpret that sentence.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 02:03 AM
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Brother K (who says that is his legal name since 1986) said he is the founder of the group. God, these guys are embarrassing. You know, the medical community really only needs some proper, dignified lobbying to change its recommendation on circumcision from "neutral" to "recommended against." A guy named Brother K pouring blood on his crotch and calling them all mutilators is the exact opposite of that.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 12:04 AM
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But it‘s the exact same, the other way around. I don‘t think there is a woman in my life that hasn‘t been sexually harassed or assaulted, but I only know of one that actually did report it. Yeah, unwanted sexual touch is a fact of life. Everyone has had it happen to them. Literally almost every single person. It is almost exclusively men who get punished for it. I don‘t see the historical influence leading up to female rapists. What would be the motive here? Basic human horniness is the motive. …
/r/MensRights09/03/22 10:23 PM
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I'm not that sorry, honestly. It was a shitty day. It didn't cause lasting trauma. But it's at the heart of the answer to your question. Women have done things to me that would technically be considered a sex crime a dozen times. I'd never dream of reporting any of it, because I'm fine and I don't like hurting people out of spite. And most men are like that. If a woman gets drunk and grabs his dick in a nightclub and he doesn't like it, he doesn't go to the police. He just shoves her off of him.…
/r/MensRights09/03/22 10:08 PM
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The numbers for female rape are incredibly low because we never report it. Let me give you an example from my own life. Eight years ago I went to a bar, and drank myself insensible, and when I came to about 5:00am there was a woman going through my closet making fun of my wardrobe. An ugly, trashy woman. And my face was covered in vaginal secretions. I politely asked her to leave, threw up, and went on with my day and my life. She'll never be part of any statistic. But if a man did what she did,…
/r/MensRights09/03/22 10:04 PM
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Wells that's easy enough. When women and men do the exact same thing, the man's behavior is often considered a "sexual crime" while the woman's isn't.
/r/MensRights09/03/22 09:59 PM
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I'm not sure I understand your question. Yes, of course some men do horrible things. So do some women; so do some members of every sufficiently large group.
/r/MensRights09/03/22 09:56 PM
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Brigading another subreddit is a great way to get your account banned and possibly even your sub.
/r/MensRights09/03/22 08:20 PM
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because every single person who masterbates uses their imagination to imagine a "reality" where you're preforming that act with a someone , or the person you're viewing. No, they don't. That isn't how everybody experiences porn. That isn't even how I personally experience porn. My brain is always taking the perspective of watching the video and finding it hot, not the perspective of somehow climbing into the scene and being there. Much as when I watch Game of Thrones, I'm watching people stab ea…
/r/MensRights08/03/22 02:03 AM
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I'm sorry, I just see this all as puritanical nonsense. When I watch a TV show, I don't expect my wife's behavior to match the characters in the show. When I read a book, I don't expect my wife's behavior to match the characters in the book. When I play a video game, I don't expect my wife to be able to carry seventy different weapons in her pockets. People can distinguish between fantasy and reality just fine, and you're essentially making the same argument as those that blamed DOOM for Columbi…
/r/MensRights08/03/22 01:39 AM
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Even if those things can happen in some minority of people, they are certainly not universal. The vast majority of people watch porn, including those in healthy relationships. Often they even watch it together. And while a virgin without much of a social group might develop unrealistic ideas about what sex is like, well, most of us have sex and know full well the differences between sex and porn.
/r/MensRights08/03/22 01:27 AM
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Interesting information, though I dislike the way the site characterizes pornography as inherently harmful. Some people may develop porn-related problems in their lives, but the vast majority do not.
/r/MensRights08/03/22 01:12 AM
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However, even with this, you wouldn't reach the variety of protections, functions and nerve endings lost by MGM. The "nerve endings" argument is really a dead end, in my opinion. For one thing, there are thousands of nerve endings... all over the place. The palms. The feet. The back of the knees. What does this have to do with sexual function? Obviously nothing. "But the palm isn't part of the genitals," you might say, but the foreskin retracts during sex. It doesn't go into the vagina. So why w…
/r/MensRights08/03/22 12:16 AM
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If it is, then your religion has barbaric practices that need to be stopped. Calling that a "neo-nazi" idea is quite hyperbolic, to say the least. It is illegal in all its forms for women, and so it should be for men See, at this point you're talking about a ban on a centuries-old religious practice and literally calling the group that survived the Holocaust less than a century ago "barbaric." Do you maybe not see the optics on this one? If this is the hill we choose to die on, well, we will die…
/r/MensRights07/03/22 11:49 PM
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Feminists are completely right about the state of the world before the 20th century. Women really didn't contribute to many important things because they simply weren't allowed to. They were expected to stay at home and raise their babies. Their status and power grew throughout the 20th century, and right now what people can't agree on is where the pendulum is. Are women still trying to catch up to men in terms of equality and respect and power? Or have they achieved parity? Or have they blown r…
/r/MensRights07/03/22 10:07 PM
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Gentile just means "non-Jew." Yes, Jewish people circumcise their boys. They've done it for thousands of years. If our goal is to make it illegal to perform a brit milah ("bris"), well, frankly we start looking more like neo-Nazis than a men's rights movement.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 09:17 PM
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Agency. Bodily autonomy. And this is exactly what I'm talking about when I talk about the sky-high hyperbole. No infant has agency or bodily autonomy. None. I spent years scraping shit from between my son's chapped ass cheeks with wet wipes and he didn't get a vote in the matter. As an adult, for more than 99.9% of circumcised men, their penis looks a little cosmetically different and functions identically to everyone else's. And they function in society with as much agency and autonomy as anyon…
/r/MensRights07/03/22 09:06 PM
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Things that can happen rarely and accidentally during circumcision are in fact the intention of a cliterodectomy. That's the fundamental difference. Circumcision causes a loss of the ability to enjoy sexual pleasure one time in many thousands, while cliterodectomy causes a loss of the ability to enjoy sexual pleasure virtually always. And, no, I don't say this in support of circumcision. I simply say it to drive home the point that arguing that circumcision and cliterodectomy are the same practi…
/r/MensRights07/03/22 08:11 PM
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You called them crazy. Not just these. You said the majority have "lost touch with reality" which is once again, calling them crazy. Point blank. Why can't you take an insult when you expect them to? Let me guess. No answer. Because you haven't given anyone an answer to anything. You only deflect. Yes, I perceive that a large proportion of intactivists interact with the world in ways that are not at all indicative of good mental health. That they are carrying around literal delusions. That they …
/r/MensRights07/03/22 07:57 PM
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I've made it clear that I think the protestor's tactics are entirely counterproductive. When the average person sees a man pouring blood on his underwear, all they see is a crazy person. And they want nothing to do with him or his movement. You're free to interpret that stance as somehow inherently rude. I don't. But a long screed about what a stupid idiot I am isn't particularly ambiguous. That's just unworthy of reading.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 07:37 PM
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It's a public forum. My comments are not to be read by just you, remember? They're there and completely fleshed out for a reason. Sure, and maybe you think it's of general interest to the public to watch you screech insults at me. I just don't see the benefit of reading it, personally. It isn't interesting, or informative, or entertaining, so why waste my time? And why would I encourage rudeness by dignifying it with a response that required any effort on my part?
/r/MensRights07/03/22 07:28 PM
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You have made the same limp argument And that's as far as I got with this one.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 07:23 PM
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Yeah, I expected a response full of obscenity and insults, and so when I got one that was several paragraphs long, I decided to skip it. See, when you attack people on the Internet, you really lose their interest pretty quick. Which is what I've been talking about the entire time. You will never accomplish any progress toward any goal, because no one wants to listen to you, because you are so thoroughly unpleasant.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 07:11 PM
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You're an idiot. And you have the audacity to talk to me about decency.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 07:04 PM
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Yeah, I didn't read that. It definitely doesn't seem like it would benefit me to do so.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 07:02 PM
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Also, it's interesting that you ascribe different, entirely subjective levels of severity based along gender lines. It's almost like you think women are weaker or more deserving of protection than men. This isn't about gender - it's about anatomy. A clitoridectomy is not the equivalent of a circumcision. It is the equivalent to chopping off the entire glans ("head") of the penis. You've completely blown right on past the influence of the religious leadership. It's not just the AMA, since the AMA…
/r/MensRights07/03/22 06:57 PM
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You know, I haven't seen them in a long time. Plus, FGM is substantially different from circumcision and denying that doesn't do you, or the men's movement, any favors. Look, if you want to end circumcision, the pathway is pretty simple. You just lobby the American Medical Association to change its stance from "neutral" to "recommended against." And if you don't have the clout to do that, you donate money to an organization that does. Totally achievable goal. They're basically almost there alrea…
/r/MensRights07/03/22 06:32 PM
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And I already told you, you are speaking in public as a representative of the intactivist movement. You aren't PMing me right now. You're typing on a public forum that's indexed by search engines. And what you've settled on is an obscene rant full of insults, hyperbole, hand-wringing, and proclamations of your own moral superiority. If you had any actual interest in ending circumcision, you would be behaving in exactly the opposite way that you're behaving. You aren't fooling anyone; this is jus…
/r/MensRights07/03/22 06:21 PM
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Well, for the record, I strongly hate people who get off on how much passion they can spew onto the Internet and don't particularly have a single shit to give about whether their strategy advances or actively harms their own cause. They're just here to make a lot of noise, virtue signal, and proclaim their own moral superiority over the rest of the world. And guess what.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 06:06 PM
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Have a nice evening. Or don't. ...yeah. This pretty much says it all, doesn't it.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 05:56 PM
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No, you're speaking in public on a Reddit thread that will be accessible for years. Dozens of people will read your message, and thousands of messages like it, and they'll all reach the same conclusion: wow, intactivists are almost universally crazy, rude assholes who seem to have tremendous personal problems.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 05:44 PM
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Fuck your experience of it and fuck people wanting their kids' genitals to match theirs. gross. No one cares Cool, so, an angry crazy person shouting at me. You know, if you simply tell people the truth - that circumcision has no particular medical value and occasionally leads to complications - most of them will agree with you and decide not to circumcise. When you make hysterical profane rants, they tend to assume that you're a bad person and everything out of your mouth is wrong.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 05:35 PM
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To dehumanize someone is to take an action that removes their humanity from them. Like if I turned you into a chair - had armed guards permanently pointing a gun at your head, so you'd be killed unless you knelt on your hands and knees and allowed me to use you as furniture - that would be dehumanizing. I have changed you from a human being into literal furniture. You should not be throwing around this word casually.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 03:46 AM
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a person engaged in a dehumanizing act doesn't mean they don't consider you human being ya goober Do you understand what the word means? "Dehumanized." To take away somebody's humanity. In your view, my father wanted to make sure I was not a human being, so he removed my humanity by requesting that a doctor remove my foreskin. And now apparently I am something other than human. that's the point, it wasn't about their mothers but their fathers and hate against men is acceptable Certainly many fem…
/r/MensRights07/03/22 03:38 AM
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I'm even getting it in this thread. I've got a guy saying my father didn't see me as human and mutilated me as an expression of my mandatory dehumanization. Yeah, let's just tell each other our fathers don't consider us human beings. That's exactly how sane people talk.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 03:30 AM
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feminism is based on patriarchy theory which necessitates women to think their grandfathers and fathers who love them oppress them for male benefit in a system of oppression Some feminism is based on patriarchy theory. None of it goes around preaching that your mother doesn't consider you a human being. If it did, well, there would never have been a women's movement. If early feminists were hammering on the message that mothers don't consider their daughters human, women would never have even go…
/r/MensRights07/03/22 03:28 AM
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Yeah. I absolutely fucking did. He was the most extreme case of intactivist insanity I've seen, but not by a very large margin.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 03:19 AM
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Yes, they did. They may not have thought of it that way, but that's what they did. Imagine hacking at your son's genitals See, and now you're insulting my parents. You think this is how a men's movement acts? Attacking other men's parents? You think feminism survives because women spread the message to each other that everyone who loves them is evil? Is any "fuck your parents" movement successful? Sounds like the way cults talk. you have no frame of reference It's fine. I wouldn't want it to be …
/r/MensRights07/03/22 03:18 AM
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A few months ago I had one of them telling me that Rabbis make it a point to fellate the bloody penis because they are universally pedophiles.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 03:13 AM
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My parents didn't make some choice to "dehumanize" me with "mutilation." My dad was cut, wanted me to look like him, and it was thought to be cleaner and more civilized and generally in fashion at the time. I didn't circumcise my son, but also, my penis is absolutely fine. My sex life is good, my relationships have never suffered, there's no pain, I orgasm in an appropriate amount of time, everything is fine. See, this sky-high rhetoric is exactly what I'm talking about. Do I think it's best to …
/r/MensRights07/03/22 03:11 AM
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Oh, intactivists say far worse than "that's fucked up." They claim that circumcised men can't enjoy sex. They claim that doctors and rabbis are doing it for the purpose of sexual self-gratification. They claim orgasm is impossible without foreskin. And the fucking anti-Semitism they cross over into - it's completely delegitimizing for the whole movement.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 03:06 AM
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We have far bigger problems than that a lot of us are walking around without foreskin.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 03:04 AM
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Yeah. They will be. And usually are. Fuck, the things these guys say. Most of them have lost touch with reality entirely.
/r/MensRights07/03/22 03:03 AM
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These guys really just need better laundry skills. I don't particularly love or support circumcision, but intactivists are certainly an ultra-radical fringe of the men's movement who make us look very, very crazy.
/r/MensRights06/03/22 07:25 PM
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Huh, the title really made me think this was going to be about taking a side in the "battle of the sexes." Which I thought was a curious idea that would entail trying to figure out what "taking a side" even meant. A war five thousand miles away? And me being a stay-at-home dad with no particular money or resources? Sure, no one wants or needs my opinion on that. I have one, but it's really just trees falling in forests at this point. And to circle back around to the topic of the sub, I think tha…
/r/MensRights06/03/22 05:40 PM
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Because I went through it. I was small, still a virgin at 19, and absolutely enraged by that. I blamed women, decided they were too vapid and shallow to date me, and openly let everyone know I was a misogynist. We hadn't invented the word incel in 1996 but that was me. I got better. So I guess it reminds me of myself and it's interesting to see what might have happened to my life if there was a whole community of guys egging me on and validating my worst impulses.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 01:55 AM
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I don't think there's any significant gender bias when it comes to well-understood problems. A broken leg is a broken leg, and men and women receive the same treatment. When it comes to poorly-understood problems, from fibromyalgia to generalized anxiety disorder, there's probably some truth that significantly more women seek care and significantly more doctors are skeptical of their claims. And that's probably down to the way most men won't seek care at all unless it's really, really bad. Every…
/r/MensRights03/03/22 07:34 PM
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The guy has made a whole career out of how mentally ill and twisted he is. I sincerely doubt the accusations are false. On the other hand, it's hard to see how any woman who chose to date him wouldn't have a pretty strong idea of what she was getting herself into.
/r/MensRights03/03/22 06:58 PM
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If you mean the reddit sub, that's gone. I never looked there so I have no opinion. I've spent a lot of time with the community. The Reddit subs, the Ruqqus guilds - I've read the site, too, though I'm not welcome to create an account or ask any questions. The site, unfettered by any rules, is a really ugly place. The misogyny there is dialed to 11. They loathe women. I do not find the term "simply descriptive" at all. And you really see that in the way they talk about prostitutes and obese wome…
/r/MensRights02/03/22 04:25 PM
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Well, life is a series of decisions and trade-offs. Nobody has to live in the area they live in. Not unless they're in prison. Some might argue that they can only realistically live in one city, and that's their decision to make. I do know that that exact kind of failure of imagination is what leads to an incredible amount of misery. People get trapped in their own unwillingness to take risks far more than they get trapped by actual external circumstances.
/r/MensRights02/03/22 04:42 AM
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The community itself gatekeeps like crazy. They argue over whether a fifteen-year-old can be an incel. Whether someone who was sexually active with a woman but can't find sex again can be an incel. Whether being "blackpilled" is a requirement of being an incel. And they almost universally believe that a woman cannot be an incel. Functionally, the word "incel" is not just the sum of its infixes. It refers specifically to a male virgin, typically over the age of sixteen, who believes that social a…
/r/MensRights02/03/22 03:09 AM
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I have no objections to studying a subculture. Whether it's gamers or neo-Nazis or Blockheads (those women who still follow the New Kids On The Block around the world). An academic perspective on a subculture is rarely going to be objective, but it still adds something where the only existing perspectives are what the group is saying and what the "fuck you guys, assholes" crowd is saying back to them. You are correct that "men who want sex and can't find it" is a significantly larger group than …
/r/MensRights02/03/22 02:15 AM
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Well, if I get divorced now, I'll walk out of it ahead a hundred grand or so, because I married a professional. When my dad got divorced, yeah, he was out a few hundred grand. But my mom had spent forty years keeping the house, keeping him fed, raising his kids, doing his books, basically making sure he didn't have to worry about a single thing except work, so... frankly, she deserved it. And it's not like he's broke. He's off traipsing around Europe with his new girlfriend. There's different ar…
/r/MensRights01/03/22 10:12 PM
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I think they really don't understand the level of diversity among women. That they're way too caught up in stereotype. You know, I've dated women who wanted nothing more than a traditional arrangement. Where she'd clean and cook and raise the kids and I'd work. And I've dated women who wanted the exact opposite. Who would prefer that I'd clean and cook and raise the kids and she'd make all the money. And I've dated women who would rather fucking die than have children and wanted us to just both …
/r/MensRights01/03/22 09:25 PM
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Indeed, though it's not necessarily good for a movement to turn on its radical fringe. Feminism has found a way to house kind and egalitarian women in the same tent with angry radicals.
/r/MensRights28/02/22 11:46 PM
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Surprised you haven't been. Last month I posted that sexual reproduction was the reason we had two biological sexes, and someone angrily accused me of erasing intersex people. When I snarked back that erasing intersex people with a little pink eraser was my favorite hobby, I received a permanent lifetime ban. Ah, Reddit. What happened to you?
/r/MensRights28/02/22 09:23 PM
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It's very clearly not harassment or bullying. Reddit's "Anti-Evil" team simply doesn't tolerate any argument that doesn't favor women over men, racial minorities over people of European descent, or the LGBT community over cisgender heterosexuals. Pretty much anyone who isn't "Woke AF" is using VPNs and throwaways and waiting for any reasonable Reddit alternative to exist.
/r/MensRights28/02/22 09:10 PM
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I'm sure it's possible to smuggle a person over the border. It's probably also possible to leave the road and walk through the wilderness. But what most men who don't want to fight are doing is taking refuge underground, in a subway or something, where bombs won't hit. Frankly, just staying in your house gives you a well over 99.9% chance of survival.
/r/MensRights28/02/22 08:57 PM
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It's been a while since I watched The 300, but as I recall, Queen Gorgo ruled Sparta with an iron fist while Leonidas was off at war, and exhibited violence and displays of dominance against men who opposed her. This was typical of 2006. Strong male characters, strong female characters. There is nothing strong about any of the men in Encanto. None of them ever even make anything that could be considered a decision.
/r/MensRights28/02/22 05:11 PM
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In Encanto, men have no agency. None of their decisions matter. Their only importance lies in their relationship to women. Any problem they have is a problem for a woman to solve, and they are expected to be completely deferential and subordinate to the women in their lives. It's the exact same problems feminists were complaining about in the 1970s.
/r/MensRights28/02/22 04:55 PM
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I'm a bit of an outlier here - a third-wave feminist who hates fourth-wave feminism. I think things were going quite well with respect to gender equality between 1990 and 2013, and went completely off the rails in 2014. Just as one tiny example of thousands, Sleeping Beauty was sexist, The Little Mermaid did not have problems with its approach to gender, and Encanto is sexist. We corrected a problem and the pendulum continued to swing until it was out of bounds again.
/r/MensRights28/02/22 04:43 PM
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I understand. And I am not blind to the unfairness and the relative lack of value placed on men's lives. However, that's likely a decision that was made... by men. Like I said, it will all be a complicated debate inside Ukraine in years to come. Right now they have bigger concerns.
/r/MensRights28/02/22 01:42 AM
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Eh. 15% of Ukraine's military is women. It's going to be a complicated issue, for sure. Some men will say "You got to run away while we basically got universally conscripted" and women will say "tens of thousands of us fought right alongside you!"
/r/MensRights27/02/22 09:35 AM
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Considering that 92% to 97% of workplace fatalities (depending on the country and the study) are experienced by men... maybe men do deserve a little hazard pay.
/r/MensRights27/02/22 08:55 AM
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As the article said, that survey defines "any sort of unwanted contact of a sexual nature" as "sexual assault," up to and including unwanted hugging. This makes me wonder how the number could be as low as 1 in 4. Hasn't every man, woman, and child in the world experienced unwanted hugging at least once? There have been dozens of times in my life that women have gotten handsy with me when I wasn't into it. Have I been repeatedly sexually assaulted? Well, if I were a woman I could certainly wear t…
/r/MensRights27/02/22 08:40 AM
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Wow, sex work is a weird one. Normalizing and legalizing sex work, up to and including prostitution, is sometimes thought of as feminist and sometimes as anti-feminist. The third-wave and fourth-wave feminists have some pretty strong disagreements about sex-positivity and whether sex is fundamentally an empowering or diminishing act. Me, I just don't think anyone should go to jail for trading sex for money. That doesn't seem like a legitimate function of government to me. But I do worry about ho…
/r/MensRights27/02/22 02:20 AM
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Men's skills are considered valuable; women's lives are. If a man wants to protect his life, Ukraine says: no. We need your skills and we do not care about your life.
/r/MensRights27/02/22 01:51 AM
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Well, sure. Why would I report a crime without harm? You know, there have been at least four times when I was a victim of something that would technically qualify as a sex crime. There were the trio of biker women who pulled me up on a tailgate and stuck their hands up my shirt and down my pants. There was the co-worker I slept with who then would not stop touching me no matter how many times I asked over a period of weeks. There was the partygoer who relentlessly felt me up all night while I wa…
/r/MensRights27/02/22 01:34 AM
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You're looking at this from a "women are also valuable to the war effort" perspective, which is certainly a valid one. But what you don't mention is the underlying belief we've so strongly internalized: that the lives of adult men are worthless, disposable, and simply don't matter. You see it every day in our media. In movies and TV and games. Wave after wave of adult men have their lives brutally ended, and we just sit there munching popcorn. But when a woman, child, or even (especially?) a dog…
/r/MensRights27/02/22 12:26 AM
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