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Tbh, the most frustrating thing is how the manosphere/red pill has hijacked so much of the discourse that it’s easy to come to the conclusion that men are primarily down bad over sex. But I’m entirely mentally and emotionally dependent on an SO. I will never feel safe by myself, alone with my mind. I’ve tried it! It resulted in recurring nightmares of being buried alive. No fun! If my wife died, I’d be looking for a new relationship within weeks. Not because of anything with her but because I li…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:35 AM
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But if they really wanted to, they would
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 10:28 AM
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Pretty much Nobody likes desperate men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 10:25 AM
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So then women want men less than the other way around, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 12:38 AM
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Didn’t you just essentially argue yourself into agreeing with me?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 12:00 AM
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Being hugged, cherished, and forgiven
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:46 PM
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That’s fair. I guess I find the (stated) angle more sympathetic I’ve never felt sorry for someone who can’t get sex I do feel sorry for people who (at least from what I’ve seen) can’t find a partner that will do laundry, not lose his shit, and work enough to not be playing video games all day So in other words, I think you’re right - there’s an incel dynamic to it but it’s one I honestly and objectively feel more sympathy for. Personally, I think men’s issues are very real ones but so many aren’…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:28 PM
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Simping is fun!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:23 PM
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So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:15 PM
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They absolutely don’t. These men are running into the current world from a delusional perspective. We aren’t needed by women anymore. All we have is ourselves to blame; and hopefully someday, figure out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:32 PM
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An increasing percentage of women are going for singlehood. They don’t want men at all. That’s the fundamental problem with red pill ideology. You’re competing against nothing at all. Women are more content in their lives and feel no real need to buddy up with men. And until men can get there to a comparable extent, the wound of loneliness will just continue. There needs to be a new version of masculinity that allows boys to cultivate their own lives, in their own ways. Boys are taught from day …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:01 PM
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They’re choosing to be single bc that’s better than us Doesn’t that hurt bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:44 PM
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When are you Red Pill guys going to understand that you hold zero cards in today’s world? They don’t want men who hate them and see them as trophies to be won. They want men who listen and enrich their lives. But many, if not most, of us just don’t. At least in the current era. We are the weaker sex nowadays - they’re better educated, better looking, more motivated, and generally thriving in modern life. Men? We are aimless, under educated, lonely, desperate, and lost. You want power to so much …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:28 PM
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Which is also true of anything, tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:13 AM
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Exactly what?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:06 AM
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Some ppl are into that too, at least in role play settings
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:01 AM
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Why
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:00 AM
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It’s not incorrect to assert this, but the key missing piece here? Most men also enjoy it. A lot of the times, you’re just wanting someone to be proud of you. Or at least feel like you made someone’s day a bit better. Or maybe, you just like it regardless. Either way, a lot of people - men included - are happy with the arrangement. If nothing else, it’s useful
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:54 AM
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So… why not just… not do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:41 AM
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I’m not sure I have an answer to any of them, honestly. I’m sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 05:07 PM
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It’s just disconnecting, either way. Distant and cold. Painful. Which is okay, nobody can force anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:42 PM
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I agree. You familiar with Betty Friedan? I earnestly believe men are in their own “cult of domesticity” moment. If you ponder it - the history of women’s situation and rights from the 40’s to the 70’s was basically - needing you to cover all the jobs when men were sent to war, then being shoved back to the kitchen and realizing you didn’t want that life to be forced on you, and then fighting back to push through. I think we’re in men’s “1950’s era” where traditional roles become shoved on us th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 12:56 PM
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Same men who gripe about men’s troubles are the ones most responsible for our distance from each other My take? Pick something from those things - whatever you find least uncomfortable - and nudge this world in whatever tiny way you can It’s fucked up - the people who claim to help us are the biggest drivers of our pain. And in the cycle of all this, it says to us that we are weak if ever vulnerable - let’s face it, if you do take my above advice, you’re almost guaranteed to get numerous homopho…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 12:43 PM
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It’s a fairly hurtful one, don’t you think
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 12:05 PM
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Why is it a competition between the two genders anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:54 AM
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And how was it before
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:50 AM
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How’s that going vs. how was it before
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:44 AM
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How so specifically
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:32 AM
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Does it work tho
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:26 AM
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I’m sorry. But that doesn’t help, just stings.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:27 AM
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Well, sorry if I haven’t
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 01:23 AM
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Ouch. That doesn’t help, it stings.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 12:41 AM
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ok but what about the 420 part
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:50 PM
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Why? My thing is simply that we’re focusing on whatever the women are doing instead of actually processing our own emotions, experiences, and needs. What worked for women’s rights was basically them saying “I feel miserable living this life where I can’t vote, work, or go to college”. They actually didn’t focus on whatever men were doing (at least during the nascent period of it) and spent all their energy towards specific purposes - voting, working, going to school, whatever. If you’re focusing…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:03 PM
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Changes don’t happen overnight. Doesn’t mean they can’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:05 PM
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I probably butchered the wording, it isn’t so much seeing women as not human as it is not being in the present moment with them Basically, simply not preoccupying yourself with some future plans or past gripes I think a lot of men do much more of a painting with a broad brush type of thing It isn’t like we don’t see you as human in rights, lives, personalities, etc. You’re just not heard enough and a lot of us end up being heard too much. You not being heard enough leads to you being seen as “wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:51 PM
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I agree entirely I just think part of decentering them is setting them as human in your mindset. And not sex or romance or life companionship until or unless it actually unfolds that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:03 PM
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Yeah. I honestly think most men low key feel like any feeling they have must be justified by some sort of logic, data, etc. And all you really end up with is contorting reality and confusing people. “I’m scared” or “I feel ashamed” are scary to admit to but they’re a lot clearer to communicate straight up than beneath a John Wayne’d exterior.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:01 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 12:59 PM
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That’s what I mean. Most of them aren’t even paying attention to you at any given time. It’s silly for us to get so worked up over everything about them. They aren’t mysterious, beyond the social norms they have to contend with. It’s just like they’re playing baseball and we’re playing hockey. The rules are different but it’s still people playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 11:07 AM
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Oh certainly, just bitching gets nothing done. But it can help you find footing. A fool who proceeds in his folly becomes wise. Not the most efficient route, but these ideas are being beaten to death so much that we might eventually uncover important things. I think we are. It’s just taking too long lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 11:05 AM
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We swim against social currents too though. It isn’t all just mindless whining - mostly at the start, but it contains a bunch of deeper feeling beneath it; if men take the time and effort to really unpack all that stuff, it can be fertile ground for personal moral growth as a human The one hope I’ve got is that the current situation is miserable for everyone. So I don’t really see how this mess is sustainable. Men need to be more in touch with their emotions and I kinda see all the shit going on…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 11:02 AM
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I agree that more men need to use our voices to speak over the worst of us because otherwise we’re left digging ourselves out of a hole most of us didn’t make. But that doesn’t mean we can’t have our own vent sessions too
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:58 AM
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You can worry about something without it being logical though Imo, most of the men that say shit like that are just being dramatic It’s less “oh no, I looked at a woman for 2 seconds too long, here comes the police, life in prison for me!” and more “I simply don’t want to make another person uncomfortable and would feel bad if they’re afraid of me.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:56 AM
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I don’t think he’s doing that You can feel shame/anxiety/fear/etc. Just because a guy fears being a creep doesn’t mean he is And in fact, why would you fear it if it’s something you are anyway? Most, in my experience, want to just be loved
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:54 AM
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We miss you though. That’s the toughest thing. When you detox from social norms and see it never was sex in the first place - that you actually do love them - but operating on that socialization already caused damage you can’t ever fully mend Words and deeds you can’t take back.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:50 AM
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I agree with the sentiment in many ways, I just think it goes significantly too hard Yes, getting women shouldn’t be your reason for leaving the house But also, you can’t effectively “decenter women” by just excluding them from your life - if nothing else, that centers them too! They’re just ppl The answer is truly in accepting platonic relationships with them tbh Not having your relationship with women be contingent on a future outcome
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:47 AM
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if you’re going to be responsible, you’re not going to give a shit what women do and you’re certainly not going to keep badgering it - how can you control that at all? that isn’t fair to you spell out all the spreadsheets you want about mating preferences anddddd… still you’re going to be bewildered 5 minutes into your very first conversation with a woman because she isn’t going to fit into your box and it’ll happen immediately you go into it treating them like a formula, maybe you win one over,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 01:49 PM
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i’ve never said women are wonderful i don’t think they are but for simple clarification- i simply think women should face less, not that men should face more we all should face less, in fact i simply think, like you said, they get a bit extra to deal with
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 12:17 PM
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yes, it can be a mix of both that’s life your problem is that you keep trying to find some y = mx + b formula that will apply to half the human population which is absurd play the odds all you want, but then the game changes anyway sometimes you just have to take a risk on something and go stop calculating, please for your own sake, too
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 03:31 AM
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isn’t that the point though? to figure out what actually needs to get done and just doing that? i mean, if it makes more sense for you to change diapers, change diapers. you might find way more meaning in a thing that hides behind femininity anyway. would you rather raise a family or run a pivot table in excel? it’s actually not a hard question
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 03:29 AM
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fucked up thing is, i’m 32 now and see my younger self in a lot of these kids i never went that way but i can see the idea - all women want from me is money and now they took all the money and have no use for me… and yet im talking to one now so… it’s not as simple as laughing about it, but pointing out the absurdity of manosphere beliefs is a worthwhile fine line to walk it’s a fact of modern life that women are doing school better, starting to get better jobs, etc. it just is. you can either d…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 03:21 AM
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yes. there’s no definition of masculinity writ large that is both practiced and preached anymore and it pretty much has to be redone because we’re stuck living lies until then i’m always caught just pondering the question of “what would not giving a fuck actually look like?” and going from there i can’t ever fully stop giving fucks, but i can reduce it and that seems a little bit manly, sometimes and then you ponder further and… why do i give a fuck if i give a fuck or not? at some point, you ei…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 02:48 AM
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they can be, it depends on the context you can blame legitimate shit for something that’s also your fault it can be a mix of both (i find it funny how something meant to be a gender neutral point gets gendered btw bc the point holds regardless of equipment) women can do bad shit too i’m generally of the vibe that we shouldn’t bitch about what they say on the internet too much until they stop having so many rape threats sent their way you guys want women to be held accountable and then act in all…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 02:43 AM
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yeah but also you’re doing it right now tho
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 02:03 AM
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lol what do you actually think tho i just find it fun to tussle with all these super serious red pill sorts under the pseudonym “assplay69420” because if i do win the argument, it just shows how stupid all the red pill bullshit is “i’m 16 years old and found a youtube video about the Pareto principle - i’m now an expert on human mating behavior”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 02:01 AM
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and? you’re deflecting responsibility right now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 01:37 AM
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retribution which way though
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 10:01 PM
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you are going to be incredibly lonely if you don’t see how women go through the same thing it may not be the exact same situation, but i can promise you that they feel hated, ostracized, taken advantage of, gold digged, hoe’d upon by men, lonely, etc. you’re not uncovering this special human experience, you’re living a fairly common one
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 03:14 PM
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it isn’t entirely on you, sometimes things just don’t turn out but it’s your responsibility to handle it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 02:10 PM
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that’s the thing though like if we don’t compare notes, it’s hella lonely look at how much hate they get from us - and then think about how bad it actually is to hear a random woman chatting about how men suck she gets rape threats, you get hurt feelings both suck, but it isn’t like men have a unique or even particularly bad form of meanness directed at us, overall
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 01:44 PM
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just tells you they don’t have it tbh which, is an entire thing all its own they just dust it up in your face instead of asking for help or taking wisdom where you find it most of the girls i knew growing up weren’t inherently smarter, they just picked wiser paths like they’d major in something they enjoyed and then go to grad school for a couple years in something practical you get to enjoy yourself some but still be in the real world the boys? by like 8 they obsessively looked at what was lucr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 12:23 PM
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yup - the manosphere and red pill shit is basically male self harm too tbh, this modern moment really feels like a rehashing of my childhood in that, my dad always made more money but his anger made it all pointless anyway i’d always get the best shit from him, but i’d pick the n64 and asbestos house that my mom had over the ps2 and new house that my dad did i remember begging to basically just get him to move somewhere frugal simply to calm his anger and anxiety about money it isn’t money that …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:59 AM
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you’re right at a certain point though, we’re policed by other men calling us white knights for acknowledging basic empathy for you it’s fucked up that men are validated more for hating and using than loving and caring, especially when it comes to women you guys, well, bear 🐻 (pun intended) a lot from us i wish there were better intersections of cross gender empathy. because like at a certain point, i just don’t care how it “looks”, i just want you to feel safe and loved we’ve done something hor…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:46 AM
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a rebuke is fair
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:40 AM
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yeah, i’m not seeing it like OP is casually justifying domestic murder and you guys are just like “eh, men can be tough to deal with but we still love you” and that’s actually kinda beautiful like we’re all thinking we need a bajillion dollars and most women just want you to wash your asshole, know how to follow the instructions on the packaging to put a frozen pizza in the oven, and make your own doctors appointments
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:37 AM
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yeah, it’s an extremely lonely mindset to be in anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:34 AM
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i mean, shit like that is out there but it isn’t like there’s not plenty of women that basically lay down their lives for broken men too i think we extrapolate too much from one or two women into how all women are you can validly have someone treat you like shit without it meaning that their entire half of the population is at fault for it i’ve always felt like that was the most uncomfortable part of these discussions when women were involved in them because “patriarchy”, “toxic masculinity”, et…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 11:01 AM
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yeah like “patriarchy” can kind of just come off as “fuck you, you caused all of this” and yet i’m still somebody who was born into this system too i didn’t vote for it - and i don’t think we should be bringing back the handmaid’s tail like whether it’s gender or otherwise, it’s just a dick move i’ve got my own gendered social contract to technically uphold but i understand what you’re talking about i’m not stupid, im aware that there’s just easier ways to digest things and i’m not sure women fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 10:43 PM
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all i’m saying is that women in men’s spaces is a good thing because, while i’m a hockey fan, the men can’t play every moment of every day you have twice as many hockey games to watch if you just do both it’s pretty stupid not to
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 10:30 PM
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You want separate drinking fountains too? At some point, it’s just good old fashioned segregation that you’re advocating for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 02:59 PM
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Take it for what it’s worth Plenty of smart poor people out there
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:14 AM
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I blew a ton of poor and unemployed smart people because they didn’t develop social skills or didn’t grow up
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 12:47 AM
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Yes, Kevin, your NFT money is an extremely reliable thing to fall back on when a recession hits
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 11:33 PM
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Did you not even hear the point? My point is that college is a big opportunity for maturity simply by virtue of kids living away from their parents, doing chores on your own, being comfortable by yield, etc. Everything beyond college that goes with college is the most important part of school. Your ability to sit still, your ability to handle adversity, your ability to commit to something more long term. Your annuity to let go and take life one day at a time because, fundamentally, you can’t do …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 11:25 PM
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And if u get there and can’t handle the stress, load a dishwasher, or live on your own?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 10:24 PM
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Sitting for years in a classroom is probably the bigger life skill, man. Just because you can recite fancy words or even operate at a high level intellectually means nothing if you can’t work in a team, can’t figure out how to actually make life better, and are too short term to run life’s marathons. I’m not saying college is perfect or for everyone but it is it’s own exercise in maturity and discipline which are much more common to use in life than a math formula anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 09:59 PM
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Scoring high on a test score doesn’t get your foot in the door
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 09:56 PM
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Fair
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 08:28 PM
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Nobody actually has sexual needs. It isn’t oxygen.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 08:26 PM
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Not everyone votes. Education is by and for you. Voting is by you and for someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 08:20 PM
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Most people aren’t in politics, everyone goes to school
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:59 PM
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Who cares? Sounds like high wages for younger adults with a low birth rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:58 PM
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Even still, a degree can give you a job you don’t hate - even if it’s neither of those
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:57 PM
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It’s a very slight level of nuance, at best. Ultimately, nobody cares about your test scores if you don’t graduate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:31 PM
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So then advocate for yourselves instead of trying to shit all over education?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:10 PM
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They full of shit tho
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:09 PM
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Okay, so go make your own scouts?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:04 PM
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Boys testing better doesn’t mean they’re doing better in school. It just means they test better. Look at college enrollment and graduation. Completions. Not just testing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:03 PM
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It’s not actually seen as feminine, it’s seen as superior
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:57 PM
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Or the women just outperformed the men at school and they got butthurt over it. Like, that’s not even sucking lady dick. The data is what it is on educational achievement.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:47 PM
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Where aren’t you allowed this, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:43 PM
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Birth rates are declining everywhere. And it isn’t even determined as to whether this is actually bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 05:54 PM
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No because it fundamentally boils down to us not believing that we’re worthy. All kids start off thinking their parents are equal. So if you grew up with a dad that made 4x as much as mom, that’s the standard you hold yourself to. So if you make less? You’re just waiting to get kicked to the curb. I’m NOT saying this is right, fair, or even indicative of women’s perspective at all. But it is a big part of men’s. It’s not about being intimidated by your success. It’s about a lack of self worth. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:07 PM
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Well, this is obviously changing. I still think it skews the other way. But we’re all FAFO rn. Since things are shifting so rapidly, relatively speaking
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:01 PM
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The difficult are the ones that need care the most. Precisely because nobody wants to deal with them, for good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 02:52 PM
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Crab bucket? lol Still means you don’t about the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 02:36 PM
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And that’s fine. You’re free. Live your life. Just don’t pretend to care about other people so much. You’re not some empath, dude. It’s the lack of honesty about the whole thing which bothers me because the truth is that you’re in it for you. Just go all in, say you hate men, don’t play like you care so much, and live your life. I think men are just tired of the pretend nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:56 PM
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Yes, I’m talking minimums
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:50 PM
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1200 a month if you’re in a mundane place Section 8 exists too Again, I’m not saying such a thing is great I’m saying that if I loved the other person, I’d ride or die that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 10:24 AM
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That’s not homeless
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:08 AM
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Sex will solve all your problems, you’re not good enough without money, you can’t be comforting, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:09 AM
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If they love him, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:08 AM
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Not if he shacks up on a couch
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 02:20 AM
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That’s exactly what I’m advocating the men to do Just check out ahead of time and stop needing you so that we all stop hurting each other ahead of time
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 02:20 AM
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It’s no fun that way. Even if it is easier in the short run, I’m my own person. I hate this reality where women never actually know men because men are afraid of you leaving. So many people lead hollow relationships because men cede control too easily. Even if you want to cede control in the end, it’s way more entertaining if you can at least have fun with it. It’s just cold and calculating otherwise That’s why I think men will eventually wise up and lay low For everyone’s benefit in the long ru…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 02:06 AM
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There’s nothing specific to men at all in those things
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 02:01 AM
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For what though? To have sex and make babies? That’s all we are to you, a piece of meat? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:58 AM
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sigh I never said cohabitate with a man who moonlights as a sewer rat I simply said that would be my lowest acceptable standard. You’re dusting up hyperbole to detract from my actual claim - which is simply that men have lower standards
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:57 AM
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Shit, what exactly do you need men, specifically men, for?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:47 AM
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I definitely hate us needing you more than the other way around And that’s where things are And it sucks for both genders in distinct ways
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:24 AM
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Yes, I’m simply saying that men shouldn’t need women because you’re right, it’s selfish That’s why I’m a huge advocate for AI gf’s and female therapists Realistically, men need that kind of thing too much from you In your personal life And that shouldn’t be the case. I’m sorry that the practical solutions to such a dynamic are weird, embarrassing, and not going to come from self improvement “to get a woman”.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:22 AM
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Are either of us even content doing our own thing? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:13 AM
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So it is. Which is probably why men are doing everything that they are Just push you away so that you’ll leave and we can rid ourselves of our fantasies of you and just not need you. The more you hate men, the better for everyone in the long run. We’re dependent on you. It ain’t healthy. We’re all better off in the long run if we’re apart now. Needing someone sucks, dude. It takes up way too much thought. Best to move on from these mindsets We can’t rely on you and never should’ve because the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:12 AM
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How can I tell? If I need you, why wouldn’t I stick around, in basic survival instinct terms?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:06 AM
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You’re using hyperbole to detract from the actual argument - all my argument is, essentially, that you need us less than the other way around. I’m not saying you should apologize for anything. But it does make you untrustworthy by default if something you do that we’d stick around for is something you’d leave for
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:52 AM
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I think you don’t want to admit that it’s okay not to want that because it would make you question yourself too though You don’t think I’m forced every day to admit that it’s okay to be ambitious? That’s literally the entire modern world
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:49 AM
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You think you wouldn’t be just as sought after by men if you didn’t do those things? Birth rates are as low as they’ve ever been and yet men have never been this crazy about you. Which is fucking weird if all it is about is whatever labor - I mean sure, everybody needs to do something to even be an animated object But generally, you’re way overestimating how much you need to bring to the table Men say that shit because that’s what it feels like to us You need to be a 10/10, you need to cook, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:05 AM
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Mules that so desperately crave said affection from you because we also love you and have a biological inclination to be healed by you. Idk why we give a shit. But it’s different when women do it, even when it’s otherwise the same. What can I say? It’s not like you have to work for us. At least most times. Men don’t give a shit. Give the poor sap a hug and he’s good to go for the week. Quit stressing yourself out so much to help, we don’t really want it and it only makes us feel more guilty by c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 11:57 PM
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Everything in moderation, You get too high up and it’s just plastic eggshell colored houses that you are also forced to walk on. I’m not saying destitution is great. I’m saying the cultural pull towards better is often more strategically addressed by creating counterweights in your life. You shouldn’t have great everything. A bit of grounded humility - a shitty car, a shitty school, a shitty job - can go a long way in creating character and an appreciation for the actually safe things in life. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 11:53 PM
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That’s true. I just wish that was the motivation taught to me because all that stuff about “making something of yourself” always seemed like bullshit Y’know? If I can’t achieve my dreams - face it, most people can’t - I can at least make my life easier. That kinda thing is on me but at the same time, they really give you false advertisement about a lot of things when you grow up as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 11:35 PM
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God, what a bore. Great schools? 900K mortgages? Fabulous (insanely expensive) public amenities? Low crime - no graffiti dicks on the walls? I really don’t want to go back to the 1950’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 11:33 PM
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Yes, but that’s always the balance I just think women will often get too into trying to find stability when it really never exists in life That’s why you see more men take risks Not because it’s smart, but because you know you’ll go someday regardless Otherwise though, I agree You need a bit of financial cushion and the opposite extreme is not wise either - thus I don’t think anybody should marry somebody that makes themselves completely useless But there are so many indirect money effects Washi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 11:12 PM
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We’re just going to die and wealth is, at best, an indirect correlation. There’s 80 year olds in North Korea and 55 year old mesothelioma patients in America. Cuba has a higher life expectancy. It’s all just hilariously absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:38 PM
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Yeah but by the time you enjoy that cash, you’re gonna have broken hips or be dead anyway Everyone’s better off just taking out hilariously stupid amounts of debt and not paying it so that the financial system is forced to reset, at least as a collective Furthermore, you’ll know what I mean when you look at things like Antarctic Sea Surface Temperatures What exactly are you planning for? Life was unpredictable enough to where I know plenty of people who’ve died before retirement age anyway Coupl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:33 PM
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Because they actually fucking love you and you’re so often the ones to just throw it away. It’s way better to think all men do is think with our dicks when you’re too afraid to question if you’re actually more empathetic and kind than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:28 PM
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But that’s not how life works in the end. We all just die regardless. Why not just cut out the middleman and live life bareback?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:24 PM
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That’s what sucks so much about modern life Like it’s basically just men collectively pushing women as far as possible until you break to test the whole yin-yang gender relationship because they’re paranoid that they just kept you tied down to miserable relationships historically Men have never really been in relationships where they were wanted over needed, historically They’d protect you physically, and up until about two generations ago, financially Even one generation ago, women could work b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:21 PM
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Because we both love you and hate you more. So many of the things I see from women are so levelheaded and logical that it makes me want to cry tbh Like inwardly, there’s a part of me that feels like it’s fucked up that you’re citing risk management approaches to loving someone And that mentality scares men because then what happens when the money runs out? Or when he gets into a car accident and can’t work? Or mental illness? “In sickness and in health” is what scares men off of marriage because…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:09 PM
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Because that’s most of it. Hell, there’s a point to be had that, collectively and technically, the message women send the moment they expect more? Men are a net negative to you by default. Technically, a dude bringing in $26 a day would be a net benefit over living by yourself. Like 12k a year. Yet by 2030, it’s estimated that 45% of women will be single and childless… Y’all don’t want men - or you need us less - and I wish we’d all accept that and move past it. Then, maybe men could accept sing…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 09:15 PM
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Yeah, samesies. Obviously, if I were looking for dudes, I wouldn’t exactly turn down more money. But it would sit alongside plenty of other variables Chief among them? Do I enjoy hanging out with this person more than being alone. That’s 80% of it. 20% is basic attraction, hygiene, caring, and responsibility. Everything else is kinda just bonus points.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 09:02 PM
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Yeah, samesies. Obviously, if I were looking for dudes, I wouldn’t exactly turn down more money. But it would sit alongside plenty of other variables Chief among them? Do I enjoy hanging out with this person more than being alone. That’s 80% of it. 20% is basic attraction, hygiene, caring, and responsibility. Everything else is kinda just bonus points.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 09:02 PM
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Single income can do that too I’m not saying something like that is ideal - I’m saying if I were a woman, I’d go that low as my minimum, basically Obviously, there’s plenty of variables - one of which is certainly potential and financial providership But I think it illustrates the general answer to the question - basically, women’s standards - or at least expectations - are way too high Most men want less anyway Ask a guy if he’d rather a vacation in a mansion or penthouse vs. a log cabin in a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:59 PM
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Nothing is financially secure ever, and certainly not enough to cover a long layoff Yes, a couple grand for a fixer upper in the rust belt would work for a home as a defensive asset But other than that? Why bother They keep raising the retirement age and soon enough it’ll be higher than the average lifespan anyhow
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:53 PM
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Why would I want that? (ASSUMING you aren’t going to have children in this case) A good portable AC is like 500 bucks, can find a place to live fairly cheap, etc. You get too far beyond the basics and it’s just more rooms to clean, more stress at work, and a higher ledge to eventually fall from
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:40 PM
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Pretty much. What’s so wrong with a roommate? Seems chill and fun. Like a sleepover every night. If you’re not cohabiting, I would still hold the same basic standards for simple practical expenses and attractiveness factors 12k a year and some booty, provided you’re an enjoyable fella, should get you some results in this world
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:35 PM
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I would just expect him to not be a net liability Iirc, it’s only about $25 a day to cover the additional marginal costs of having another person crash at your house - groceries, utilities, transportation, etc. Only 12k a year would likely be sufficient to cover that Other things would be to wash your asshole, load the dishwasher, load the washer, move clothes to the dryer, maintain hygiene and try to look hot, etc. Other than that? Your life is your life. So long as you enjoy the other person, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:28 PM
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Nothing. That’s the end result of equality, whether people like it or not
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:15 PM
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Men just have lower standards generally
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:49 PM
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Muscle mommy
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 02:53 AM
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Hey, I have bipolar too Don’t sell me short!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 11:55 PM
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I wish I could twerk in my wedgie bikini for some GIFs or send pics of my toes for 10k, tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 08:31 PM
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I literally just said I don’t believe in forcing it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:16 PM
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Yes? I think it reveals a lot about their morals - I don’t think they ought to be obligated. Better if they aren’t, so they can show, without doubt, their true colors, one way or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:03 PM
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I’m not saying single moms are saints, I’m saying there’s no fair reason to hold them more accountable than the father in these situations
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:31 PM
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They want that, they don’t get that Most incels are actually liberal iirc
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:29 PM
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Well, the popular manosphere pipeline narrative looks at men’s relationship to women but the reality, imo, is our relationship with ourselves Why wouldn’t men flock to a “women back in the kitchen” ideology? There’s been nothing to indicate to men that we matter for anything other than providing. And women themselves have never given a better answer. Neither have men. It’s fundamentally about protecting the only usefulness men feel like they have in life. It really doesn’t have much to do with w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:07 PM
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I think it’s more that men ought to be able to compete in the sexy body game, given that women are able to compete in the money one But it makes people uncomfortable when the opposite sex is on “their territory”. I think that plays a role in why women so often see femininity in men as a turn off and why men seek out “traditional values”, in turn, so much in women It’s jockeying for gendered opportunities If you can outcompete the opposite sex on their turf and prevent them from being on yours, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:25 PM
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Then what’s the point of giving a shit what a single mom does?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 11:44 AM
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“Abortion” is not a viewpoint lmao Neither is “child support”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 11:43 AM
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“With near limitless options” Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 11:27 AM
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What’s different about that than what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 11:26 AM
1

So men who are around women are less sexist?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:09 AM
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“It wasn’t my fault that I fucked her! It’s her fault for not saying no!” You really gonna go with that argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:03 AM
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Legal and financial responsibility are the only things you guys think about It’s pretty pathetic, frankly Being afraid of everything, responsible for nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:58 AM
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Nothing but shitty legal and financial arguments papering over a bunch of fear Fear, fear, fear No virtues, no moral responsibility, no values Just hollow bullshit And a whole lotta being scared
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:56 AM
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Do you not see any sort of problem with there being no moral responsibility and simply seeing life as a matter of money in and money out? Additionally. You do realize a ton of women make more than men now. How does child support work there?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:55 AM
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Reddit is not representative of the real world And in the real world, the manosphere thing is becoming a bigger deal
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:57 AM
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And there it is All about money
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:51 AM
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Oh God this just keeps getting better
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:48 AM
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This is hilarious. Seriously. Frame it. The entire red pill thing summed up in one reply. No responsibility can be held by men for any societal problems. At all. Not even partially! Isn’t even logistically possible in that worldview. We’re always just going to blow right on by the simplest explanation - in this case, that the father being absent is his own fault; certainly more than the mom’s! - so that we can go right to blaming women for everything. The most fragile, insecure, sensitive, atten…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:32 AM
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The problem for single mothers is the fact that they are the visible parent, and are thus a lightning rod for disdain You can’t (outside of things like death and incapacity) have a single mother without a father… somewhere. Where is the father’s responsibility to take care of his own kids at all? To even be in their lives? But it’s the single mother’s fault? She holds all the responsibility? There’s the thing about red pill yet again - no responsibility. They never practice what they preach nor …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:10 AM
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I too would pick women over church
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:36 PM
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Well, maybe the factory thing used to be more important than it is now Yes, we used to need way more soldiers but now we have drones. Farmers used to be a dime a dozen but now like 3% of the population can feed the entire nation. Raw materials for new inventions used to be life saving but now it’s just the same iPhone with a different number every year At this point, maybe it simply makes sense to move further toward the feminine side of the scale? Perhaps it isn’t that masculine is worse, so mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 01:26 AM
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Well sure, but a continuum being what it is rather than a box doesn’t invalidate the point The more on the masculine side something is, we still have to decide whether that’s good or not And I don’t think right and wrong is as simple as masculine = better and feminine = worse Same between any other continuum Logically, the “feminine path” should average out to be the ideal choice half the time. And if you’re leaving an entire half of possible approaches to a situation out of your options because…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 01:09 AM
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The problem with not having gender equality, or even just a fight over it - because nobody is ever going to agree over what equal rights actually looks like - is that you’re left with society deciding which gender is better Is parenting more important or is the factory? Is emotional health more important to teach kids than engineering? Is being emotionally in tune better or is being factually correct better? Now, look, someone is going to jump down my throat about discrimination but in reality, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 12:05 AM
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yawn
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 02:30 AM
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depends on the circumstance if i’m going out, her if i’m taking a nap, me
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 02:18 PM
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absolutely i’m not naturally that gifted at the aesthetics piece, so any pointers are welcome i even seek them out
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 11:12 AM
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🙄 I’m unfortunate
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 11:34 PM
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I know
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 10:38 PM
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Where do men particularly fit into a world like that? And please don’t say “everywhere women do”.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 10:26 PM
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Yeah, as bodies. You can get romance on Amazon or from AI now, as far as that goes
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 10:22 PM
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What do you need men, specifically, for? Reproduction does not count lol I’m genuinely wondering what the incentive is vs. staying single (stats show you live longer) or shacking up with friends or just a same sex conglomeration/partnership/roommates/“roommates” or whatever situation lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 10:15 PM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 10:10 PM
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None of those things are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 10:09 PM
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I’m almost more afraid that women wouldn’t do the revenge thing? At least if you do get even, or simply so much as act worse, there wouldn’t be any lingering worries that you’re morally better or something. It’s more comfortable if we all suck equally lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 10:08 PM
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I know. There’s other ways to get revenge and other avenues, if you really wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:26 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:01 PM
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This is precisely it :/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:22 PM
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What do you need men specifically for though, other than reproduction?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:20 PM
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I don’t see gender roles ever really flipping, at least not for a very long time But then again; this kind of future is the exact sort of one I fear, They don’t like us, don’t need us, don’t see us as offering anything, and sorta feel justified in some cosmic gender revenge thing to basically just treat men like dogs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:02 PM
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The first one?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 06:30 PM
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I’m finding out lol :/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:20 PM
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This tracks. Maybe it’s the gummy but the more I think about it, the more I feel like a lot of men want you to look down on them for less income or education because it provides justification for why we approached education and careers the way we did - they’re serious business! No fun or self actualization allowed! You must do it this way or you’ll never find anyone! Because if you really don’t care that much about it, we’re left alone to pine for what could’ve been.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:52 PM
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This is just exhausting - what are you doing that’s any different right now? So many of you guys want (need) women to heal you emotionally and yet load those emotions into a gun instead of simply reaching out to ask for their help. Instead of bitching about all the ways women, as some dictatorial class, have wronged you… what even is your personal problem? I don’t even mean that confrontationally. What I mean is, how does blaming half the human population do anything but create an obstacle for y…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:25 PM
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Men can’t save you either. We have emotional breakdowns, physical injury and decay, and anxieties/fears. We’re not stoic warriors that can really help you or listen to you or make your life better than it is. We can pitch in for each other periodically. That’s about it, honestly. Maybe everyone should be taught not to expect anything of other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 10:29 AM
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Alright. I can’t make another person feel empathy. That’s all I got. Good talk
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:18 AM
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That’s what it comes off as
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:14 AM
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You brought him up in your original comment and indicated your desire for political revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:47 PM
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That’s what I’m leaning towards. I listen to podcasts, watch YouTube videos, etc. I find them more engaging Idk, it feels kinda inferior. Like it’s not the “right” way to learn. But I’ve never felt like it doesn’t (or couldn’t) work It would just feel like too much help for a lot of boys, even if it would pay serious dividends. You’d basically have to implement it secretly so they don’t feel belittled or pitied. No male ever wants to need. At the same time, I’m not sure how the girls would feel.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:10 PM
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If you had 10 women, 4-5 would’ve voted for Trump. If you had 10 men, 5-6 would’ve. How different is that, really? You’re just mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:40 PM
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I’ve heard that boys in Norway are actually outpacing girls in English skills… because they’re doing it on YouTube. So I’d imagine that schooling essentially just has to be more fun. More of a game. Less generational hazing into “the real world”. Etc. If you’re actually learning from a game vs. actually learning from a lecture, what difference does it make?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:32 PM
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It’s children, dude. It’s not a matter of political revenge. And in any case, you don’t like the Trump thing? Getting boys more interested and invested into education is a statistical antidote to it. But I guess you just want revenge instead of empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:32 PM
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They do have dominatrixes if you’re that interested in women’s telepathic dominance over men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:18 PM
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Often yes Or they at least had the effect
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 06:04 PM
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I low key think the best option for all of us is if men just disappeared for awhile. I don’t mean died. But like boomeranged the loneliness epidemic back. See who outlasts the solitude and have absence make the heart grow fonder, maybe. I don’t see it ever really happening. But it’s kind of the only card men have left to play, because I don’t… except entirely disagree with the sentiment here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 04:54 PM
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Alright, well that’s all I got, good talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 04:31 PM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 04:28 PM
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It’s not just conservatives though. Like there’s a chilling effect on male feminists too. Perhaps other women as well (though I can’t speak to that), etc. What if most of the red pill/alt right crowd is just an ideological form of crashing on the couch because they don’t feel like there’s a home elsewhere for them? I mean, it’s perfectly understandable to hate them because, yes, I’ve seen the things they say and what they can do. But I’m not sure hating men is a particularly strategic move, pure…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 03:16 PM
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I feel like a lot of people care about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:54 PM
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A lot of people do, I would assume. We’re a social species. Why wouldn’t one care about how others see them? And if you, too, didn’t care about what conservatives think, why bring it up? That isn’t to remotely argue that they’re right about you. Just that it’s clear the other way that how they see you hurts. Why would it feel different for men? What if that vibe of feeling irredeemable hurts them? It very clearly hurts you, too. I wish nobody felt that way. It’s profoundly disempowering, isn’t i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:45 PM
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It isn’t just conservatives though. Like, yeah, male tears/mediocre white men/4B, etc. is something I can understand from the vantage point of the shit you guys deal with - that I’ve frankly seen and heard in my own life and with people I personally know However, the framing of it as “hating men” as an entire group, “I hate all men”, “kill all men”, etc. is profoundly damaging to the ability of the other half of the population to get on board. I empathize with feminism way more than most men and…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:39 PM
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When did feminists ever say men’s dating issues have nothing to do with society or women? I mean, yes. Societal issues and women’s expectations - even their perceived expectations - harm men’s confidence and dating prospects and influence ways we’re expected to go about such things that can be harmful and hurtful. At the same time though, how many of the men who lament that women won’t date janitors also won’t date a fat girl? (I do think the above is also opening up to greater possibilities on …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 01:53 PM
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I just don’t think that’s a very good point. How does child support directly affect whether or not one gets meaning from parenthood at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 01:17 PM
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What’s that got to do with it overall though?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 12:45 PM
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I have. Can you point to where it’s necessarily wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 12:20 AM
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Pulling the plug on heartbreak before it happens. You can play both gender roles now. Us? We can provide only physically, and even then you’re doing better than we are in today’s world. The only exception is fatherhood. Until then, there’s pretty much nothing to indicate that you’re on even terms with women anymore because you can’t even conceptualize yourself as able to provide nurturing or caring - so the woman’s role is out. Some other dude yelled at you, hit you, screamed at you, insulted yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 11:12 PM
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Look at any political speech
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:49 PM
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You’re making an assumption to that both sides are in equal places I absolutely don’t preclude women from being worse than men some day Honestly though, Roughly 82% of intimate partner violence is a the husband killing the wife. The other way around is about 18%.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:44 PM
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You cannot prove that any group is equal either. Why does it make any more sense to assume equality?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:11 PM
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Why can’t I be raped? why can’t a woman be the victim of unfair asset allocation either? Yeah sure, it’s presumptuous. So is everything else society decides to do or not. But the experiences themselves have overlap It’s not impossible for men to be raped and it’s not impossible for women to be scammed out of money by men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:57 PM
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I’d say about 5 rapes per murder, if I had to make an arbitrary rule For the taking all the assets thing, I’d say like a 100 asset allocation to 1 death or even 1000 to 1 ratio per school shooting victim would work
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:39 PM
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TL;DR?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:17 PM
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I think I’ve got a pretty good one. Hit me with your this or that scenarios
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:16 PM
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The trans ones weren’t ideologically motivated by a boys vs. girls gripe They were revenge attacks for personal circumstances They didn’t attack people in random settings simply for the crime of belonging to half the population On a societally traumatizing level, random attacks are going to be worse than ones based on personal circumstances
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:14 PM
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Yes, I’m going to single-handedly solve all the world’s problems, if only I don’t bitch on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 02:56 PM
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Yes, I’m going to single-handedly solve ask the world’s problems, if only I don’t bitch on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 02:56 PM
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Do you have any legitimate solutions to solve parking tickets?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 02:49 PM
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Nobody is asking you to. You can improve murder rates though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 02:31 PM
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At the extremes, actual murder I obviously agree that such a thing is rare But the main dynamic is that men’s badness towards them is, at least at this time, worse than their badness towards us Since we’re online, a basic rundown of Reddit would indicate that; Men face everything from criticism, presumption, collective hate, etc. I’d say the worst thing I’ve ever seen is a post by a woman saying something to the effect of “males are detrimental to the species and should die out”. In terms of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 01:05 AM
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In terms of gender issues, again, is a society better off addressing murder or parking tickets? You address murder, then you free up more resources for parking tickets. Of course, there are crosscutting issues, as well Is the pink tax more important than men dying in military drafts? I’d say no. This isn’t zero sum thing. It’s a simple matter of utilitarianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 11:23 PM
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It’s the same dynamic though Because frankly, a vast majority of any of these things just happens online But the shit men say about women is 10x worse, in my experience In other words, yes, women have it worse and more people would have sympathy for men’s issues if enough men knocked it off for awhile. You let the dust settle and there’s a very good argument that men, at that point, will actually have it worse. But it’s a never ending cycle of men making digging our own graves on this. How can w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:58 PM
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I’m not saying women are great people either. I’m saying that pursuing means of addressing men’s issues in ways that scare women is a stupid approach, because they make up half the population regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:34 PM
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Your example even sucks, because a container leads to stagnation in liquids and that becomes a breeding ground for sicknesses and mosquitoes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 08:55 PM
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In what way? Imminent death on the line is simply more important to address at the moment than the cumulative impact of bullying In fact, if men stopped being so hateful to women, you could probably move on to men’s problems extremely fast. But if you’re going to be assholes, women are going to keep getting up every day in self protection mode instead of trying to help you. Which only puts your movement at about 50% potency because you’ve cut off the entire opposite sex. You can see this playing…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 08:47 PM
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You really don’t need jobs to survive either If enough people stop having children, the species dies out We could’ve had a UBI solarpunk utopia for the last 50 years if we collectively wanted to We’ve just decided not to do it to make our role seem more necessary
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 06:53 PM
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Are you not reading? How is it inconsistent to say that women getting murdered by men is more important to address than social media posts by women against men… And then to say that a man who is bleeding out should get faster medical attention than a woman that sprains her ankle?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 05:15 PM
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If you’re having to triage, yeah, go with the more severe case, all else equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 03:22 PM
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It’s all a bunch of factions from the same village of “women cause all my problems”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 03:14 PM
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I, too, can find a YouTube video about the Pareto Principle. These guys have extraordinarily lazy and shallow justifications, constantly, to paper over status anxieties and insecurities. Even their extreme choices, like murder, are just lazy ways to get famous. Takes one day of work to accomplish it that way. It’s a childish temper tantrum with numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 03:10 PM
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They freed a certain pink panty wearing sex trafficker from a Romanian prison to please the incel crew. They are well represented. And as an aside, in what ways are Heritage Foundation conservatives and tech bros not incels? Sure they can get sex by virtue of absurd levels of power and wealth. But they’re still so insecure about keeping it that they take everything for themselves and force everyone down to maintain it. These guys aren’t oppressed. At all. They can win and they’re still miserable…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 03:07 PM
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Do you accept the implications of mass shootings directed at women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 02:58 PM
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The biggest incels on the planet run the country. They’re busy trying to upend everything because they’re upset that women make more money than men now. So they’re flipping the chessboard and turning everything into a joke, rather than take the L and come back next season. Men have status anxiety. Everything else is vapor. Find ways to conceive yourself as worthy beyond cash and abs. Become who you are. The suffering of men is that we don’t even know ourselves. Not because the 12 chicks with blu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 02:32 PM
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They’re talking about stuff? Dude, if men want to advocate for the shit that hurts us, we ought to actually do that instead of blaming everything on women. It’s lazy. “Men’s Rights Actuvists” just act like “Men’s Excuse Activists”. Either we help ourselves or not. But if we’re just not going to do anything but be pissy, we should at least quit complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 02:27 PM
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All you’re arguing is that somehow, women are more responsible for men’s decisions than men are. Where’s the self improvement and stoicism and alpha male shit here? I’m not seeing it. It’s fine to think there’s systemic issues that hurt men in disproportionate ways. But my dad’s been divorced twice, initiated both times by the wife, lost half his shit. And he’s hiking fucking mountains and not bitching. It’s frankly pathetic and weak to say that women are to be held more responsible for our acti…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 02:23 PM
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Sure. But even then? “Toxic masculinity” vs. “I hope you get raped” have the same dynamic. You’re still dealing with asymmetry.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 01:45 PM
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Nope. I’m saying that murder is worse than a parking ticket. Probably shouldn’t park there. But the murder should be addressed first.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 01:44 PM
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Crying that’s painted over with beards, booming voices, and bullets is still just crying. You can’t hide emotional pain with male power forever. Eventually, you’re just crying in the corner. But with any comfort long since scared off. It would be one thing if yelling and screaming got them what they wanted. The fucked up thing is that it won’t. At least not for long. It’s just emotional suicide. If you think it through, why the fuck aren’t we just ugly crying in the corner instead? The results w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 01:40 PM
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What happens if there’s actually a subgroup of men that would truly rather be alone - for all of the baggage and downsides of it - than scare other people? Maybe they exaggerate the likelihood that people will be creeped out. Maybe they think through that but still come away believing it’s better to be distant and alone than even gamble at a significantly lower risk of coming off scary than is portrayed regardless?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 01:02 PM
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Ah fuck it- Elliot Rodger vs. “Kill All Men” Tumblr posts - which is worse? You have problematic tail ends of both sides but the magnitude is so different. How many women have shot up a Buffalo Wild Wings because they didn’t get laid or a man posted something embarrassing about them being a hoe on social media?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 12:39 PM
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Well sure, but a bit of effort to support a thesis would be appreciated, even if it’s a bullshit one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 04:15 AM
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It’s never been more important for women to have nor less important for men to. But that doesn’t mean the pressures are not still intensely high in the other direction. It’s just not as bad as 1985.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:42 PM
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In which case? The nerd or the gold digger?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 08:28 PM
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Why is it delusional then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 08:25 PM
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About 1-2% of men make $300k a year https://flowingdata.com/2022/01/26/how-much-americans-make/ About 39% of D&D players are women https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/dd-player-demographics/
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 08:23 PM
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Could you not even have perused Google for a couple of studies that might have any ability to support your ideas, like, at all? Or are we just throwing temper tantrums and yelling because we’re used to that being taken seriously with no critical thinking in response? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:42 PM
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Yes, which is why I don’t think it’s particularly coincidental that women are dropping out of parenthood alongside men dropping out of jobs and college.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 03:47 PM
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Discernment requires a recognition that life is constantly changing. Who gives a shit what made sense during the Jurassic Era?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 03:15 PM
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Np! Just trying to be open
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 02:38 PM
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Depends on if women are asking them out enough to make it more balanced in the aggregate. If they’re theoretically all about the idea but practically never make the invite, it doesn’t actually make any difference. If that makes any sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 02:23 PM
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And that’s absolutely true but it’s also changing. I don’t think effeminate men had it better in straight dating 50 years ago. Stay at home dads, male make up, femboys, pegging, crying, therapy… None of this shit was acceptable to anybody just 20 years ago. Then we had emo and skinny jeans and more than one gay guy and guyliner around 2007 and it’s never been better. So yeah, it still sucks. But I’m grateful for living in 2025 instead of 1975, at least in that capacity. Your point is valid, just…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 02:19 PM
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My advice to men would basically be, at least see if she expects you to pay. If not downright have her pay. Women often make more money anyway nowadays. And regardless of her intent, you’re never going to trust that she’s not fundamentally using you for what she can get from you if you feel obligated to pay. First impressions matter. Being expected to pay is going to give you the gold digger vibe whether she means it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 02:15 PM
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Sure. But if you only focus on the male side of things, it’s going to feel like half the population can never understand what you go through. If you realize that they go through the same dynamics, you can at least feel less alone and better able to handle your pressures in turn. And not like they’re these fixed pressures forever. After all, even though the pressures still suck, being an effeminate man has never been more acceptable either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:52 PM
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But we do the same thing. I’ve never seen any real evidence that women aren’t punished for not being traditionally feminine in a vastly different way. It can just come off like that because men feel like the spotlight is always on us and we can’t turn it off. But I think generally that just hits first. You get to be like 8 years old and the social pressures of becoming a provider hit to where it seems like women live in a protected bubble because they’re all daddy’s little princesses. But I can …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:25 PM
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The issue with this line of thinking is that evolutionary biology and discernment aren’t mutually exclusive. You can find something attractive innately and yet also think it through and reject it. Some people obviously don’t. But ultimately adults are responsible for their choices. I don’t feel particularly sorry for rich men who fall for gold diggers because it’s a pretty obvious dynamic. Similarly, if you’re a woman falling for a dude that has a rap sheet of violent felonies.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 12:46 PM
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Negative offended tbh It makes me feel like male beauty is possible so it’s more just reassuring I’m not touching myself to it but the concept itself is better to have around than not
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 11:53 PM
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Trust me, dudes don’t even need to have a job anymore. Women are desperate to have you notice that they vacuumed the floor and say “thank you”. They can buy their own plane tickets. You have all these men preoccupied with trying to win women over by the most painful means for everybody and it makes no damn sense. Even if you win one over, assholes don’t keep them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 11:01 PM
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Sure but it isn’t like you expect whatever man to be a 10/10, have a billion dollars, and buy you a private jet There’s at least a point where focusing on money/success/reputation, so long as you’re not overly starving, at the expense of being a half decent person, makes no fucking sense And that’s what too much of masculinity is about these days It’s all about kick ass and take names and there’s really nothing about being a half decent person The closest you get is “lift weights and you’ll feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 10:53 PM
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If you don’t see the basic logical contradiction there, you’re letting temper cloud your judgement
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 10:33 PM
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Which is which way? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:46 PM
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That’s the point though You don’t have to kill urself being some demigod (or irrationally trying to be, really) to be worth at least keeping around in some storage closet in her house I mean, my god.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:39 PM
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There are so few that want to be trafficked but they all want to be trafficked by a tall, dark, and handsome man? Which way is it At least keep your story straight man
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:36 PM
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You should dress up in one of those T Rex costumes and try it out then. Or create a dating profile and call yourself a human trafficker. See if that goes well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:22 PM
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You don’t think ppl are capable of having fantasies that don’t match what they want in reality? Yeah they’ll read the kinkiest shit. But most people don’t want to fuck dinosaurs or be human trafficked.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:16 PM
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That’s because you’re basing your hopes of relationships on 1950’s critiques. Nowadays, nobody gives a shit if you don’t make a lot of money. So long as you’re not a complete sack of shit, it isn’t actually that important. Certainly compared to the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:15 PM
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They don’t care if they’re abused?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:06 PM
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And this lends itself into my critique of the above - I think you’re misreading my intent and attitude here. It’s not to be whipped by women or to hate myself or to bend over for them. It’s to not let that shit get to you. Some of them suck, some of them are great, some of them are ignorant, some are good, some of them are downright horrible, etc. The same is true of any bunch of human beings. It’s not my fault or problem that someone lashes out. Even at me, specifically in these dynamics. Why l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:05 PM
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You’re right but have it backwards. Yeah, it feels like there’s no reason to date. Because the notions are outdated. Especially on the man’s side. Most women aren’t looking for you to fight off a wooly mammoth with your bare hands anymore. While the things that traditional masculinity value are still beneficial in their own ways, their relative stature is diminished by simple circumstances. Women aren’t worried about men being able to hunt down meat before winter; they’re worried about not havin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 08:53 PM
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Honestly, I don’t even care. If all your efforts to be some manly man just make people afraid of you or ruin your relationships with other people, it’s probably worth reexamining them. Now, I fully understand that I’m the type of person to overanalyze everything and the truth is typically a lot more subtle and less intense. I’m aware of that. What I do still think though is that the main dynamic holds. I think for men it’s worth questioning if the things you think are so important are actually w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 08:26 PM
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I think you’re touching on something important here which is that people seek self aware bonds. And the biggest challenge men face these days is figuring out who they are because, frankly, you don’t need money out of them, generally. Men historically have a role that basically says, to hell with who you are as a person, we need you to go off to war, go hunt the food, go make the money… That’s not the case in today’s world. Women can get education and jobs and so on. You need someone that makes y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 05:14 PM
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Nah, I just find psychology fascinating and that seems like it has a gnarly origin story.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 12:35 PM
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Sounds like a pretty hollow way to go about life tbh Would be curious to hear your specific life story
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 12:20 PM
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Either way, I just don’t want to feel like I’m this trauma inducer because enough men having done enough bad things reaches a critical mass and it’s just not worth it to half the population to keep us close. Trust runs out. Individually and collectively. If I were you, how could I tell which ones to trust or not? How could I trust me? I’m not even sure how to describe the tangled feelings of trying to understand and heal pain while also feeling like I probably feed it by my physical manifestatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 04:10 AM
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I don’t even judge women who do that You guys have been raped, beaten, stalked, treated like shit in 800 ways, etc. I can’t compete But even still, it’s also hard to know how to help any healing if it feels like you’re a knife no matter what you do. Like if I’m just a patriarchal obstacle for you by my existence, the only real answer, short of suicide, is disappearing the best I can otherwise. And maybe that’s the best way Just have men drop out of life, live in the forest, and create a power va…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 02:41 AM
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On the Internet, absolutely We’re way worse I don’t even disagree with that Doesn’t make it right to do it back, even if it’s not as bad If I could get every man to stop treating women like shit, I’d do it in a heartbeat. But I don’t have that power. All I can pretty much do is feel how I feel in life and hearing shit that makes it sound like you’re lesser evolved, stupid, useless, an obstacle in life, etc. hurts. Doesn’t mean I even think it’s half as bad as death threats and rape threats and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 02:31 AM
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On the Internet, absolutely We’re way worse I don’t even disagree with that Doesn’t make it right to do it back, even if it’s not as bad If I could get every man to stop treating women like shit, I’d do it in a heartbeat. But I don’t have that power. All I can pretty much do is feel how I feel in life and hearing shit that makes it sound like you’re lesser evolved, stupid, redundant, etc. hurts. Doesn’t mean I even think it’s half as bad as death threats and rape threats and stuff. But, while a …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 02:31 AM
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Apart from men over 50, I’ve seen way, way more women complain about, make fun of, insult, put down… men. Sure, on a certain level, I even understand it! If somebody has traumatized you or just treated you like shit, there’s unfinished business. A lot of women kinda want revenge. Or at least get off on the fantasy some. Like, put men in their place, knock us down a peg, be under your thumb, etc. But shitty treatment is shitty treatment regardless I think men have been pretty stupid about it so f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 02:24 AM
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Just because there’s dire consequences to men getting anger wrong doesn’t mean there aren’t copious rewards to getting it right
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 01:54 AM
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10% tariffs isn’t a pause, it’s still a 4x increase from when he just took office. China also represents like half our trade. Imagine liberals off our meds because China isn’t shipping them. Good luck with it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 09:57 PM
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Because again, it’s an expression of anger gone off the deep end
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:27 PM
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A lot of men want you to be able to see the convenient social lie. Because eventually you develop empathy for empathy in life. And you’re just left not wanting to reveal honest pain about how you were groomed to hate yourself and would rather just be assumed a bonobo instead of a human being that has a heart and is in pain while other people are too. Better for both of us if you hate us.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 05:24 PM
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Why would men want to? Most get sold sex as a cure all from 12 years old and then follow that path before realizing they just want a log cabin by themselves in the woods, away from the demands of the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 03:30 PM
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But you want it. That’s my point. We’re basically just obstacles, at least on a collective level.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:38 PM
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And those expectations are too high. So they don’t bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:33 PM
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Depends on if he’s directing it at me. If not, I just let him go by
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:49 PM
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At the extreme, sure. In moderation, you become president. It’s great.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 10:54 AM
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That’s just their social role. Men take the “providership high ground” and we’re broke af these days. I mean, we all have our social pressures. Being lovey dovey is just one that they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 10:53 AM
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Are you really that afraid to be alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 03:46 AM
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If a dude has slept with 1,000 women and is shaming women for sleeping with 5 men, yeah, no, fuck that. But a dude worrying that he might not be special or receive loyalty from a woman who has had 1,000 previous sexual or romantic partners is a pretty reasonable thing. Number of sex partners is a reasonable concern. It should just be consistent regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:28 AM
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No, it just helps conjure up ideas when people tell me how my life is Sometimes I have no idea
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:09 PM
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We do that all the time to you. I’m out of ideas and spitballing most of the time tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:06 PM
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You seem skeptical of them otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:48 PM
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Why do you believe them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 08:27 PM
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Who said they aren’t? Why assume greater good relationships is necessarily more of a benefit than the lesser number of bad relationships is a hindrance to society? If relationship quality is having that kind of distribution
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 08:05 PM
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You expect feminists, who make a big deal out of having to clean up for men’s purposes and why they hate it, to root around the internet inspecting every single “kill all men!” post 24/7? C’mon. No more dudes do that with the most toxic men than women do the other way. If anything, your statement would be more true in the opposite direction. Like literally replace “men” and “women” in that. Nobody really wants to get into a fight with somebody else as a third party to the festivities. Why do you…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 07:53 PM
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If the majority are living mundane lives according to your theory and a minority are living terribly under mine, which is actually the more impactful segment?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 07:48 PM
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Absolutely My blue pill flair is basically due to that; it’s not because I’m some great feminist or care a super duper lot about women’s issues. Sure, be nice to them. It’s because I’d literally take being punched in the face, physical spousal abuse (to a moderate degree lol), over being expected to work I can’t stand it and the more technology and efficiency advance, the less necessary it is Job culture is basically just midlife crisis men gazing younger generations to do something that’s 80% p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:57 PM
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No. If she needs extra whatever, and she’s not seeking it from another human, I’m fine with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:42 PM
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Just because men say they’ve got high standards doesn’t mean they do. It’s a veneer of self respect but I don’t give a shit if my wife decides not to work, or at least takes on a much less stressful/part time job. I’d much prefer her do something way less intensive, work sucks. No man I know expects a meal cooked for him, certainly not in modern life. Contrary to popular belief, we can do our own laundry, vacuum, sweep, throw a plate in the dishwasher, and even use a microwave ourselves. It may …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:30 PM
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Yeah. I think a lot of the tug of war that goes on is simply a matter of the yin and yang in roles. To feminism, jobs and money are opportunities. To men, however, they’re obligations. To men, domesticity - or at least the indirect lowered pressure to be financially potent - is an opportunity. To feminism, it’s obligation. It’s two poles on the same continuum. So one side winning promotes in society the things that the other hates. IMO, there’s a very real reason why childbirth rates are declini…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:28 PM
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You sir, I have to say, are cracking the code a lot here. The biggest issue between genders, analogous to what you are saying, is the refusal to accept the envy of the other’s role. The only reason I’m not hateful and red pilled is because I can stay at home with my family, do what I want to largely, etc. If I stuck the man thing out, it’d go that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:03 PM
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In what way is the quoted statement coming off as hateful to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 11:47 AM
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What you see as opportunities, they see as endless obligations. Most of the post secondary flopping stems from a feeling of “you can make plenty of money, so why am I still obligated to?” They’re grieving the loss of who they are as people to perform a providership role that’s no longer necessary. Be it because women can make plenty of money now, life is efficient, or technology continues advancing. I can take a pic of something wrong with my car, send it to ChatGPT, and it’ll tell me exactly wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 11:45 AM
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What’s desired and what is aren’t the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:55 AM
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And the Trump thing makes me understand why they want to put men in a zoo! How on earth would this go any differently??? What are you expecting? “Grab ‘em by the pussy!”, “inject bleach”, “vote for me to save the economy, I’ll lose 100,000 desk jobs for 12 jobs at the auto plant!” This cycle of angry men to hated men is so absurdly foreseeable that I don’t give a shit anymore. Fight for men? Absolutely! Men go through at least some worse shit than women do which needs to be addressed? Yes! Women…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:53 AM
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Do you have counterargument or even an idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:35 AM
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I’m 32. Young enough to relate, old enough to no longer care. All I see, frankly, is a future 20 years from now where college enrollment rates are 100% women and men are kept in zoos as specimens of a presumably lesser evolved species (and yes, that’s a giant exaggeration but it’s to emphasize the point) It’s actually fascinating to watch reporting on the manosphere by women because there’s a distinct vibe of Jane Goodall studying apes. That’s the direction the current shit is taking our respect…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:01 AM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:43 AM
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Sure, if you lose control of any emotion it’s unacceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:32 AM
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Still not necessarily
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:31 AM
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I think just limiting the notion to jobs was a mistake on my part. It’s moreso having providership crafted into your identity when you’re about 8 years old. Really burns the bridges of actually trying to cultivate and nurture your own interests and who you are as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:31 AM
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Yes, it’s almost like they’re sour grapes trying to make sure you see every other guy that way because they can’t get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:31 PM
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Relationships aren’t necessarily emotional outlets.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:30 PM
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It’s not even vulnerable. It’s observational. We just get told to lead shitty lives - hurt urself, work jobs you hate, “happy wife, happy life” - which turn entitlement into inevitability. It isn’t surprising or even this evil thing that men think “okay, I’ve attained $100,000 a year by living a miserable life, when do I get the booty?” It just makes how we raise men and boys dumb and shortsighted for everyone. Fundamentally, women’s autonomy is incompatible with the male role being miserable. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:16 PM
7

There’s also romance though too. That’s more unacceptable for men to need than either sex or friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:05 PM
3

OMG don’t we all want everything that’s good in life?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:03 PM
3

Or they find an emotional outlet through sex because it isn’t acceptable in many other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:02 PM
1

How so
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 10:03 PM
11

You don’t need sex to blame women for all your problems
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 09:14 PM
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Lack of emotional support is a hell of a lot harder to admit to being a cause of pain for men than lack of sex. Most of them do lack connections. The sexual aspect just allows you to distance yourself from the emotional one. Being horny is much more acceptable in men than being emotional, save for anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 08:32 PM
1

How women are? For 200,000 years, men made themselves scarce by hunting, war, or even the result of dying in such things. Make yourself scarce. Yin and yang. Supply and demand. Play the game. That’s how. Men are around too much. Doesn’t mean die. Just means do your own thing. Be hard to contact, slow to respond, off on your own without others knowing your specific whereabouts . If you get lonely in the meantime, a handful of friends and two cats or a dog will suffice. You don’t actually need muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 05:13 PM
1

I’d go even further - however “women are” is irrelevant to you. They are people. They don’t care about you. They play that they do but you’re an afterthought; it’s just their role to pretend to be nicer than you. Go hike, go backpacking, build a log cabin, find a special interest that you can spend days at a time on, go for a walk, build model trains, collect fuckin’ stamps or baseball cards - or God forbid funko pops, write poetry or music, etc. They’ve largely made it clear that they don’t eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:53 PM
6

Ironically, romantic and sexual relationships being put on the back burner in favor of self-actualization and authentic lives. Particularly among men. It’s 2025. Women are, way more often, enjoying their lives. They are picking studies, jobs, and lives that they find meaningful and enjoyable for themselves. They are moving to places where they want to live. They are creating for themselves a life that they want. (This isn’t universally true, but it is way more common for women to be doing these …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:22 PM
4

How does that help you? Macro statistics mean nothing to individual circumstances. If I have a 1 in a million genetic disease, the fact that it’s 1 in a million doesn’t do me any good. Similarly, trying to apply broad stats to your personal life does nothing for you. Instead of trying to live their own lives, they’re creating a plastic version of themselves to fit a graph and that will never make a human being happy. A fake relationship? You might as well cut out the middleman and be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 02:55 PM
1

Ugh at this point you might as well just spread your buttcheeks on OnlyFans. What happens when women say no? Here’s your pipeline - You’re told (it’s heavily implied) at 12 that you need a practical/lucrative career to not be alone > you lose all sense of your own identity and interests for grinding boredom at 16 > you drop out and become a NEET at 18 > you spend all day online either worshipping or hating women (ultimately, they’re the same thing) at 20. You want women? You’ll get them in drove…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:33 PM
1

Strike a nerve there? Dude, look at my username. I’m fine being the laughing stock, happy to be of service! You’re the one puffing your chest out about how great you supposedly have it, and fumbling it out in pretty vague and cliched terms at that. I do hope you have everything you want. But what do you want? Do you even know? Or are you just ticking boxes on paper? Maybe your life is splendid and perfect! Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe you’ve got it all figured out! But maybe you don’t. How can anyone …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 12:46 AM
1

Women (and other men), frankly, look at Red Pill like a hysterical, pick-me group of angry men. It isn’t even successful at its supposed goals. Red Pillers aren’t respected as alpha males. They’re pitied. It’s embarrassing. Female journalists will report on the manosphere like they’re going on a safari. It’s humiliating to be associated with for every other man. Because most of us are (or at least try to) live a generally typical adult life. That’s how other people see Red Pill, dude - Like a se…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 09:02 PM
1

This is actually the root problem with Red Pill: What happens if somebody wants a hamburger? Or is simply full? You’re left with a pizza that nobody eats. You did all that work expecting a result that didn’t happen. Hell, what if you aren’t in the mood for pizza? It inevitably leads you to hate women and endless sexual frustration eventually because you’ve given all your attention and effort to getting them instead of doing self improvement shit for your own benefit, regardless. It’s poisoned at…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 06:37 PM
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If that’s what you truthfully get out of it, I don’t necessarily think that’s a problem. But there’s definitely a portion that get misogyny from it and honestly just focus way too much on dating, when their dating issues are just a reflection of much more personal ones. Like I think one of the largest issues facing men today is ironically that the only focus is on women and it overlooks how much of the misery has nothing to do with women but rather everything else. Honestly, a lot of it, at leas…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 06:02 PM
2

That’s a whitewashing of the overall Red Pill stuff though. If it was about men improving themselves and so forth, that’s one thing. But it’s so obsessed with its relationship to women that it’s a counterproductive thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 05:36 PM
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Because they weren’t alone and it gave them a purpose. In reality, nobody wants to go back to that. They want a roommate to be there for them from a certain “feminine touch” and healing way from time to time - I don’t mean sex because porn is free - and that’s about it. Not because they hate you but because most don’t want you to pain yourself over trying for them. They say they want all that shit and yet all that is the bullshit part - just sour grapes. As for kids? They give men a purpose. Ano…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 01:54 PM
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Would you tell a guy that worked 80 hour weeks and got canned because of tariffs or budget cuts that he should just “do better”? Accepting that shit happens is how you approach life in a sustainable way. It’s frankly sad that you guys view your lives as resumes designed to be crafted for women “hiring” you. The reason you’re so mad is that you see women living lives on their own terms. You shit on ones that go 200,000 dollars into debt to attend a liberal arts college and get an underwater baske…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 01:49 PM
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In what way is it bullshit? In what way can’t you learn from it? Stop seeking cheat codes for life. There’s too many variables, you can never possibly account for them all. Have actual balls and accept that life is a mess instead of trying to become a crafted formula. Be yourself and risk being rejected for it. That’s actual masculinity. Not whatever you guys are doing over there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 01:19 PM
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Women suck, too. The idea that women are the more empathetic sex or that men are defective and need to be fixed in order to be worthy of womankind is so ridiculous and yet widely accepted that it’s causing so much unnecessary pain. If you expect another person to love you by dying in war, break their back at work, or put themselves at risk to “fight for you”, you’re not a good person! My wife? Shit, all I want her to do is quit her demanding job, take on something less stressful at like half the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 01:11 PM
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Men embrace red pill because it’s easier to say to yourself that “80% of women only go for 20% of men” than it is to say “I was rejected. Me.” And real talk? Sometimes, you didn’t even do anything wrong. You were fine. And you still got rejected because… you’ll never know. Maybe she doesn’t either! And that’s actual, raw life. You hide behind “biological realities” and percentages because that’s less painful than being unwanted. It’s understandable. But don’t confuse understandable with correct.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 12:29 PM
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Everyone does, honestly. Because it’s a reflection of men’s relationship to society at the present moment. The overwhelming attitude of the current generation of men is “This shit just isn’t worth the effort”. For relationships specifically? It’s “I resent women because all I even want from them is a feminine touch while they expect me to buy them a house.” So men are left both lonely and broke and yet face a situation where it just isn’t worth the effort not to be. Most women want to start a fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 03:35 AM
1

No woman is going to look at a 68 year old man’s beer gut and ear hair and then touch herself either. Be reasonable please
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 12:40 PM
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It is amazing the extent to which jaded women end up sounding exactly like Andrew Tate fanboys as things push out to the extremes. There’s a remarkably obvious yin and yang to both incels and femcels where each agrees that men are hopelessly horny werewolves by nature and thus incapable of critical thinking, empathy, or free will. These men will convince you that we’re all monsters. You’ll wholeheartedly agree. They’ll take the affirmation and dig in further with their views and behaviors, and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 12:19 PM
1

There’s plenty of those videos already on the Internet tho
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 06:13 PM
2

I know. And I’ll honestly look into that, thank you! In truth and to clear it up - my actual belief is basically - we have about 80% of life to our advantage, you get about 20%. And honestly? I think a lot of men would be more than happy to help with that 80%, if only the 20% is addressed alongside it too. Like if we addressed male loneliness, emotional distress, and the pressure of the whole “main character” thing? I think most men would stop gripping the rest of it so tightly. We don’t want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:46 PM
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I don’t, honestly. Nor did I even mention it as an idea. Just that they didn’t have to. I don’t actually believe that but the pondering of these sorts of things itself occurs. Mainly just pondering what might be better about being the opposite sex, frankly. And then delving deeper into the pitfalls. And eventually just coming to the conclusion that life is shit for everybody and we should just all strive to be more honest and kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:00 PM
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Sure, but there’s pros and cons. Rights/responsibilities. It isn’t as clearcut as you’re making it out to be and very situation-dependent, imo. I’m not trying to argue that women actually have it better, simply that it can look that way from the outside and that’s become a problem because very few men are honest about the fact that a big chunk do see it that way. Even among the Red Pillers, they’re envious more than anything. It’s worth addressing that part directly more, because I think gender …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:57 PM
2

?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:50 PM
2

Indeed!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:44 PM
2

Children don’t have rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:43 PM
1

Maybe so. But it is a common one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:29 PM
2

Maybe so!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:22 PM
2

That’s why I said a try lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:12 PM
1

What’s so revolting about it, in your view?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:03 PM
1

Is that bad? Would you prefer lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:37 PM
2

I’m not saying it was great. I’m saying these are notions that a lot of men have and you do deserve to know. And you can get pissed at me and hate me if you’d like, I understand. But again, would most men at least give it a try? I think so. Because, yes, your traditional role can often come off as something to envy for us. And that’s not something that I think all the gender fights can move forward from without addressing. Everything is immovable right now and a large part of the reason is becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:36 PM
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A lot of us would at least give it a try. Again, I’m not saying these are valid notions Just that these are the sorts of things that circulate around many men’s heads a lot in regards to adult gender roles specifically And I think it’s better for everyone to deal from a point of honesty than a smokescreen. I think most men would at least give it a try; the housewife thing. None can truly say that they’d like it because even if you do it, you’re not beholden to the same gender roles anyway. But i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:31 PM
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They’re afraid to be alone. The bang maid thing is just a smokescreen. Nobody I’ve ever met actually expects more than a bit of sex every once in awhile for destressing and genuinely, they just don’t want to be left alone with their thoughts where they’ll have to face their own pain, vulnerability, grief, and tears. They want you to believe that they’re monsters because it furthers this vicious cycle and they’ll constantly talk like that to forget themselves. Keeping up with the cycle prevents f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 02:21 PM
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Here’s some brutal honesty (and please understand I recognize that this is changing for the better): Generally and historically, women have not needed to work, could leave the house a mess, never have sex, spend all the money, choose all of the food from the grocery store/decor in the house/cars/etc. They’ll complain about how they aren’t listened to, without understanding the massive benefits of just being allowed to be, without expectations (or at least without nearly the same amount of them) …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 01:50 PM
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Exactly. Nobody can fit their role perfectly. Everyone is different. And nobody is 100% of any extreme - either traditional role or the opposite. The only thing to do is to just have a broader set of acceptable standards. That’s what kills me about the Red Pill. They could get everything they ever dreamed of - it would be fucking miserable for them! We’re either living in the dumbest generation of young men I’ve ever seen or the most self-harming one. Because what they’re doing to themselves - i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:29 PM
1

I know, I’m simply saying I think the hyper focus on dating is detrimental to actually addressing men’s problems
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 02:25 PM
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The point is to stop focusing valid complaints so much on women. Yeah, go away. But stop narrowing it down to a women and romance thing because you’re leaving so many problems on the table if all you’re focused on is dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 02:03 PM
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The fundamental problem is that a perfectly good idea is poisoned by gender. “Go away” is not something that’s necessary exclusively (or even primarily) in a romantic context. If you like and need women and dates, go for it. But go away from something! Live and love your life in the background, work a no name job, live simply and frugally, avoid debt, buy economical rather than flashy shit, listen more than you talk, etc. etc. etc. We’re all orbiting a massive problem - men have main character r…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:59 PM
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This is exactly what makes me blue pilled. I have a two year degree, I don’t want to work a job where it matters if I suck. I don’t want to kill myself doing business trips or pulling all nighters or always having my phone on me to reply to bosses. Make no mistake, traditional roles are miserable for men! In fact, I’d venture as far as saying they are more miserable for men than women! I’m not blue pilled because I particularly enjoy the average feminist diatribe - I find feminism grating and ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:49 PM
1

Men have fewer choices to begin with. And therefore, generally fewer cares about who they’re with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 03:18 PM
2

It’s what makes me blue pill honestly. I want these changes. I don’t even particularly like feminism and the average rhetoric there. But I like not feeling as if society itself will collapse if I call in sick. I want to be as low as possible on the totem pole to where if I suck, it doesn’t really matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 02:22 PM
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I think the resentment will ease as more men settle in. Most of men’s envy of women is that of providership roles and their social imposition for men anyhow. All of the talk about paternity fraud, child support, hypergamy, etc. just covers for the fact that we have been a generational failure at upholding our end of the gender social contract anyway. Accept it and turn the page. I’m not sure there’s anything else to do regardless. We’re either on our own or their bitches now anyway. The least ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:53 PM
1

In what way? Accepting life as it is, that’s true empowerment. Not pissing away thirty bucks on some asshole’s ebook.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 01:04 AM
1

You wait and keep going when curiosity as to how life unfolds. Fools rush in.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 11:13 PM
4

Why would strategizing and manipulating and systemizing be more likely to make you happy? It will not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 10:24 PM
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Yes. That’s exactly the point. And not just romance. Life itself. Stop strategizing. It’s absurd and only hurts you. Let your life unfold with curiosity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 08:06 PM
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No, it’s “you’re going to make yourself miserable if you view human interaction as a video game”.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 07:57 PM
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Yup Also the obsession with “men’s spaces” always er rubs me the wrong way. I’m old enough to remember when Dungeons and Dragons crowds would fall upon their knees for one pussy with a pulse to be in their midst. My the times have changed…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 07:30 PM
6

“The people you’re listening to are stealing money from you.” Better?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 07:20 PM
3

A significant chunk are just gay and don’t accept it, frankly. Society would be much, much healthier if such things were more acceptable in men, especially internally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 07:18 PM
1

The book is literally linked above, with a variety of different editions, all for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 07:13 PM
2

For 3 easy payments of $19.99, I’ll offer you a much better one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:48 PM
1

They’re just bottoming for human traffickers and lazy grifters that have never once gotten their hands dirty a day in their lives and make millions on YouTube
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:36 PM
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On anything. It’s stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:32 PM
7

Any man that wants to spend more time with their families and less time dying at work has every reason to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:21 PM
4

It’s the dumbest thing in the world. Just perpetuates the bullshit that actually holds men down - constant seeking, constant pressure, constant hierarchy, constant competition… Women actually advocated for themselves with feminism. Men pussed out and fell in line to their masters with Red Pill. It’s a pathetic and sad ideology of nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:20 PM
9

Have you seen what men write about women? Or are you just ignoring it because you aren’t one?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:18 PM
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There is no good dating manual period. Immaturity abounds in people who seek one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:16 PM
1

And? Some things are structural problems. If men are doing worse at school, and gender is not some geographically or economically segregational trait, what does that actually do?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 04:30 PM
1

Thing is, I actually think the emotional standpoint is more effective for men to argue from. And most of it boils down to: -Man being expected to perform at all times and not being allowed to just “be”. -Nobody wanting to see men be vulnerable/victims and vehemently denying - subconsciously - that such a situation is even possible. -Relatedly, no one being able tp ponder that there are some things which women may innately be better at - school is one such area where boys are struggling more and …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:57 PM
2

There’s an entire genre of something called feminism that seeks to decode men via the lens of patriarchy. It’s a more academic and highbrow form of the same thing. Men are just overly aggressive in their rhetoric and oversimplify matters too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 05:07 PM
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I think it’ll make men more comfortable by themselves. It’ll take the emotional edge off and allow for mutual self respect in romantic contexts. Currently, women have the upper hand in relationships because they don’t emotionally need men in the same way that men do them. Give men an interactive AI gf and I think that will allow men to approach the whole thing more rationally, level-headed, slow and stable, etc. because it’s not a matter of urgent necessity for men to find emotional connection. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 12:47 PM
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I don’t think AI alone will alleviate anyone’s loneliness. But it can take the edge off for people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 03:28 AM
1

If done perfectly. But how do you curate vulnerability? Actual male vulnerability looks like anger, yelling, ranting and raving and saying mean shit, etc. But then you’re back to square one - if you love someone, do you accept the things in them that you may not want to find out? They’re afraid, they’re lonely, they’re unstable, they’re not ambitious, you’re better at this or that, they’re better at something you’re insecure about, etc. Like, have the dream of being a stay at home dad and watch,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 01:45 PM
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When did I say that was a good choice? It’s not; I specifically said it wasn’t worth it. That does not change the fact that such pressures are a part of men’s lives. Perhaps some degree of women’s view of men necessitates you seeing us as these evil beings to avoid the fact that we’re not really that different. The closest thing in life to a man is a woman and vice versa. I think masculinity and femininity allows us to bury the parts of ourselves that we are afraid of, which we associate with th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 10:43 PM
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Objectively, greed/power/aggression/hostility are simply rewarded - look at Musk, Trump, Tate, etc. - Even the fame of serial killers like Bundy or Dahmer or Manson. I too think men have a responsibility to pick good actions and if they’re going to idolize men, pick decent ones. It’s better in the long run particularly especially for themselves. But good men aren’t rewarded with the things our society glamorizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 10:02 PM
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When did I say women caused this? Men certainly did, I just don’t think women are innocent in the matter either. Our culture values behavior in men that isn’t even driven by purported masculine virtues like stoic, strong, hard working, etc. All I’m saying is that women also play a role in the perpetuation of “toxic masculinity”. In a way that’s comparable to men in impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 07:32 PM
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I think the biggest problem is that people don’t seem to grasp that the same desirable traits in men can be criminal behavior in certain contexts. The traits of assertiveness, daring, aggression, winning, dominating, leading, controlling, etc., if you break it down, have very obvious potential downsides. A lot of the men who engage in things like sexual harassment, fighting, Machiavellianism, and even rape or killing perceive such things as desirable based on the traits they see rewarded for in …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:20 PM
1

Sometimes pursuing your own authentic happiness doesn’t align with winning over women. That’s true for everyone - if your motivation for self improvement, indeed your life goals, is simply to get a partner, the roots of your actions are not healthy. In order for self improvement to be sustainable, it must be done for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 06:30 PM
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Not at all. You can see this in how many men will leave their wives when they get a terminal illness. That being said, I think you’ll find that both genders have distinct social roles where they simply often love in different ways. For women, it can be much more direct and active like your example - which can push the “women are wonderful” effect. For men however, they’ll often live lives that they don’t actually want to live because their wives want more material and high maintenance ones than …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:22 PM
1

Eh… there’s plenty of nerdy tech bros spreading much seed regardless of shitty personalities or lack of physical attractiveness. I mean, if you’re a fat guy that likes food, perhaps you meet yourself in the middle. Same for men who prefer to be stay at home parents. Or men who have a passion for something that isn’t lucrative. Or men who want to live more low key lives. The track to happiness is just going to be different, even if, sure, being super fit and attractive and having more money is gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 03:58 PM
1

Sure but such advice is extremely centered around women to the point that Red Pill comes off as the ultimate simp philosophy, just under the guise of self improvement. Work out… because women. Make a lot of money… because women. Pick a lucrative major… because women. Take up manly hobbies and roles… because women. Dress well… because women. Do you at least see what I’m trying to get at? You guys, at least to me, seem to be sacrificing your own individual identities on the altar of sex and women.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 03:44 PM
1

Are there no other purposes for men in life?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:51 PM
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The main problem with this line of thinking is that you’re still using women as a premise for doing something men should do regardless. If your life satisfaction and purpose hinges on sexual, romantic, or financial success, you’re constantly vulnerable to misery and uselessness based on factors that are ultimately beyond your control. Men need to spend more time and energy focusing on and even understanding the things they value, their hobbies, their interests, their goals, and so forth. There’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:50 PM
1

But you’re so fun to talk to! :(
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 09:15 PM
1

No, you’re an insecure narcissistic, I guess, eugenicist? That also feels like your opinions are preordained and needs such appalling levels of validation. Zero humility that you might just be wrong and that your preferences are not, in fact, a law of physics. Not very trad wife of you, Just being realistic, y’know?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 08:49 PM
1

For a woman that purports to be such a nurturing traditionalist, you sure have a mean streak 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 07:54 PM
1

There is! Think about it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 07:54 PM
1

I mean, if you really think about it, the biggest balls nowadays belong to trans women. There’s actual risk in doing that kinda shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 07:34 PM
1

Enjoy yourself! It’s ruinous to men!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 07:32 PM
1

Fake what exactly? Taking a different path? You can’t be decisive, strong, or confident in doing so?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 07:32 PM
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Performative masculinity is not the only approach to being confident/determined/strong or any other abstract thing. It’s a show.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 07:16 PM
0

The only dads I ever knew that were single dads were themselves working class. Your ideology is what’s wrong with this country and what’s killing men and you don’t want to accept it because you’d rather not work. Which is fine, I don’t want to either! Just stop hiding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 07:14 PM
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In what way is it weak and wimpy to go against the grain? That’s anything but weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:53 PM
2

Universal desirable? That all and nothing mentality is literally killing people. You can look it up Men who adhere to traditional roles are at high risk for things like suicide. The status quo is bleak.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:48 PM
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It’s trends! The furthest thing from “universal” as you get. It’s just trends. Women are doing better in college, in many cases surpassing men in income. Partly because things like the aforementioned emotional intelligence gets you money these days. Meanwhile? Single dads have significantly better parenting outcomes than single moms. In large part because of the disparate pressures of gender stereotypes in things like parenting and providership. This is a far more complex deal than the red pill …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:45 PM
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Genetic diversity is how humans ever have survived Not some dogmatic adherence to some pseudoscientific gender roles that aren’t even universal among populations anyway It’s the silliest thing No “daddy” has ever had the power to save anyone. This red pill shit is just toilet paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 05:08 PM
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No, but diverse genetic traits are how humans survived Not dogmas and pseudoscience
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 05:06 PM
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Cars, Internet, air conditioning… there’s so many things that aren’t “normal” that we take for granted on a daily basis. You can’t sit there and say “well humans traditionally only lived to be 25, so let’s just get rid of everybody over that” it’s absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 05:05 PM
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The idea that there is some universal attraction is absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:56 PM
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Yes, and? We have base biological urges to do a lot of things that we are better off not doing. Packing up and going home because of general trends is absurd and will lead to the death of the species.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:52 PM
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Are they? The main trait of human beings is adaptability Macho is not some universal character trait and, while yes there are generalities you can make about men and women, that’s like saying “hey, there’s an optimal climate for humans to live in, thus no other land is habitable” It’s silly Humans are adaptable. We wouldn’t survive without that. Not some pseudoscientific nonsense about some universal masculine trait. We wouldn’t have any separation of cultures if that actually existed in the fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:51 PM
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Sure, but it isn’t some hard and fast rule The main trait of humans is ability to adapt and not be stuck in some evolutionary pseudoscience to begin with. We won’t survive otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:48 PM
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The topic that masculinity is a scam used to exploit men for profit? That’s all I’m really saying. Whether it’s based upon biological truths or not, it’s inflated into the kind of cultural pressure that kills people for no reason just to keep the money rolling in for the greedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:25 PM
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I mean, yeah, gender’s natures play a role. But it isn’t as if none of us have femdom fantasies. And such things are growing rapidly - pegging, dominatrix, femdom, CBT, femboys, etc. etc. etc. - are all, on the down low, insanely popular in much more private contexts like porn sites and even Reddit. Femdom as a fetish is probably one of the best kept secrets in modern heterosexual relationships. So, yeah. Women and men tend towards complementary differences in such things but it’s a hell of an o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:22 PM
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You’re deliberately leaving out so much damage caused by cultural masculinity that isn’t the cartoonish “incel shoots up a school” thing. Domestic violence, workplace deaths, heart attacks and cancer, climate change, failure at school, suicide itself… Are all of these caused by cultural masculinity? No. But it’s a hell of a contributor to many predicaments, ones which so often actually harm men the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:13 PM
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Yes, there are many crimes driven by masculinity that aren’t “incels shooting up schools”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:09 PM
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It is! Why are we killing ourselves doing insanely dangerous jobs that so many of us don’t want to be doing anyway and never did? Fuck that. Work in the air conditioning and picket for the highest pay and best conditions for the least effort. You deserve it and they are not going to give it to you. Masculinity is constructed to make you a compliant little serf that destroys your own body for no reason at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:08 PM
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What universal masculinity actually exists in the animal kingdom?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:05 PM
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A lot of people don’t receive internal validation based upon those things, no. Plenty of men would rather be stay at home parents, do art, cook, etc. One size doesn’t fit all. Nor does it even matter to all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:04 PM
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Biological reality has changed a hell of a lot over time. Please link me to some well-paying Wooly Mammoth Slayer jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:03 PM
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That wasn’t what was said at all…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:02 PM
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Nobody wants to do those things. I’m sorry. But everyone wants someone who will take care of them so they don’t have to do stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 02:20 PM
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Men don’t provide now anyway. The breadwinner ratio is basically 50/50 nowadays. Get off your high horse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 07:13 AM
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There’s no one-size-fits-all thing. Different women are going to be into different things. You’re best off either looking at studies on this if you’re simply trying to maximize your likelihood of matches or simply asking the woman at hand what she likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:55 PM
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I’d go even further and guess that probably half of straight men are sexually assaulted by women in a relationship and pretty much all of us are verbally and emotionally abused extraordinarily off. We are whipping boys for them to take their ire out on in private. We’re supposed to just deal with it and we do, then, 5 years down the line, he punches a hole in the wall, she calls the cops, and he’s toast. Wash, rinse, repeat. At least with the rise of feminism, there’s no excuse for them anymore.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:07 PM
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Yeah, well, most of you guys seem to feel entitled to men killing themselves ceaselessly for you over the span of several decades. The moment a man rests, you hate him. So we all suck, and here you are… whining about whining lol I can confidently say, meanwhile, that no man have I ever met who has expected anything other than sex, at most. And more realistically, just basic human touch. I can microwave a Lean Cuisine, I don’t give a shit if you lift a fucking finger.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:42 PM
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Here I was, thinking that meeting in the middle was the fair thing… Men need more quiet and that’s… far from what women tend to do
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:00 PM
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We’re not either
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 04:39 PM
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Yes, women are just as shallow as men Why does that surprise you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 07:01 AM
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I hope you find what you need in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 04:14 AM
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We already do. We just don’t tell you, you know? Because we want you to think you need us.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 04:04 AM
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Do you not think men lean on women too?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 03:52 AM
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You don’t give yourself any credit for how much responsibility it takes to prepare a house for a family, to raise a kid, to care, to bear intense emotions from others, etc. That’s an extremely high standard to meet. I wish you could just let yourself be a bit of a kid too. I’m not saying drop off the face of the earth and run away to some ecovillage to dance with the hippies, but like do some small shit that makes you happy Listen to music you liked at 14, go on some roadtrip somewhere that you’…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 01:21 AM
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Why wouldn’t we be?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 01:12 AM
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Which is?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 01:10 AM
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That’s not growing up, they’re still the same people inside I’m sorry that you can’t see men with empathy and want to deify us - we do it to women too - but this life is not easier for us, I can promise you that We aren’t suddenly immune from things like pain and fear just because we’re bigger and stronger You’re foolish to rely on us - not because we’re bad people - but because relying on anybody is foolish since we’re all human beings that can’t control shit in the grand scheme of things So st…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 01:04 AM
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Absolutely? I genuinely do not care what you think about me. I’m just giving it to you straight - you are not going to find men that ever really “grow up”, and the more you expect it of them, the crueler they get. Good for you and all your hard work and maturity, sweet. You do you. But it turns a lot of people into assholes and it would do exactly that to me. That’s why I don’t live like a “real man”. I’d be a terrible person if I did. Much worse than most! But I don’t want to be a bad person an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 12:50 AM
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They should form stronger platonic bonds then, that is half the battle. May not fix everything, but it would be an improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 12:45 AM
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And then when he gets mad and acts like an asshole or punches a hole through the wall or god forbid kills someone, we’re all so shocked! You have so many conditions for men to meet in order to care about them that it’s almost better to not be cared about at all. At least it’s the same. The moment you realize men aren’t able to be “men”, you’ll just discard them anyway. Why not just cut to the chase, be yourself, and get abandoned by you now?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 12:41 AM
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Sure, lots of women live sexless or sexually unsatisfying lives too. That’s not abnormal for human beings of either sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 12:38 AM
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And is acting like a child or being feminine that bad of a coping mechanism for men, comparatively speaking?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 11:30 PM
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All adulthood is, is being a child with better coping mechanisms man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 11:27 PM
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Yes, essentially. And in ur case, sure, you get used to anything. Doesn’t make it not suck though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 11:04 PM
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The performance is all the time, on some level, for everybody
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 11:00 PM
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Only if the uncontrolled parts are themselves are curated to you. It makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 10:48 PM
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But ask yourself if, ultimately, that’s what you expect? An extremely narrow set of outlets that are simply not right for every member of half the population
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:57 PM
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And nobody can be! I’m sorry but you’re not going to find it. The only place absolute masculinity exists is in faking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:47 PM
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The problem is that “women have always wanted masculine men” requires men to pretend and work for women. And then, when men blow up at them, it’s this shocking thing. The ways in which men can actually achieve “masculinity” so often requires a counterbalance in private to keep you sane in that role, and yet most women also don’t want to deal with that. You can’t deal with kinks, crying, femininity, hardly anything that provides an outlet to just… put masculinity on pause at all So you want mascu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:32 PM
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Well, the problem is that nobody is entitled to companionship and nobody can possibly be there, 24/7, for another person’s sake. There’s shit that has to get done, people have a right to still have their own life, etc. And the way we as men talk about it, it can come off as “I will kill myself if I don’t get sex” and that’s just not something most people have the energy to help with. In reality, if the men calmed down a bit, they’d realize they don’t need much from women, but they do need someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:23 PM
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It’s kinda like an unsolicited dick pic Like… idk you like that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 06:49 PM
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How can you say these attitudes are universal in men? Do you have telepathy? Why can’t it be the case that you both experience harrowing things from men and yet most men don’t do them? And in any case, most of those men are just cruel people overall. They might do it in specific ways with women. But it isn’t like those same people treat other men well either. And honestly, that should give you hope. Because it isn’t like we’re never on the receiving end of other men’s cruelty and I think a lot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 06:14 PM
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Hypergamy and shit. Why would I be mad about it? I’d do it too
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 05:51 PM
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Exactly. It’s the same “if you want to fuck me, at least buy me dinner first”. Like even if you won’t have sex with me, at least give me a hug or spoon me first because immediately expecting me to give you money is itself asking for some deep trust and intimacy. Where even if I can afford to give you money, it’s a real kick in the balls to be asked for that before you even know me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 05:39 PM
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We are starting to. It’s kind of a trippy thing because, ultimately, when the ground shifts beneath gender roles, inevitably, we find that we’re not as different as what we criticize in the opposite sex. Maybe men won’t be as hypergamous about money, but I picked my wife specifically because she was highly educated and I just wanted someone who could push me to be the best version of myself in a litany of contexts. I would be under a bridge if not for her containing me into a more measured appro…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 05:34 PM
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Well, it’s also an immediate pain point for men. It’s not nice at all. It’s like saying “damn, I’d snack on that ass all day” to a lady. Yeah, almost everyone wants money just like almost everyone wants sex. But it’s objectification both ways when approached like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 04:41 PM
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Yeah, you can have huge pieces of shit in pedo glasses, there’s really not a correlation
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 04:32 PM
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Very interesting self-own there. “I’ve never seen it!”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 04:19 PM
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I think a lot more men are into the specific deeds being done and the actual skill/acting job than we want to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 03:30 PM
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Total succubi move! And then we have the audacity to hate them because some women will do the same sort of thing that some men do. Like, why on earth would we expect women and men to behave that differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 03:27 PM
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I think it’s just polite to let people know how to financially plan for a night out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 10:46 PM
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I think the reason this is coming up all the time is precisely because it’s irrelevant at this point and women are about as likely to get screwed in a divorce now. There was a leverage to keep women attached to men that doesn’t exist anymore and it increases the paranoia that they’ll abandon you. Because we can’t really see anything attractive in us nowadays and money was one way to. If you really think about it, the whole vicious cycle is just that we hate ourselves and seek to run away now bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 10:42 PM
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I’m just confused though?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 03:42 PM
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Why would I not have eaten breakfast yesterday?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 03:20 PM
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I wouldn’t to begin with, I’m not the sort
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 03:06 PM
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My boner would go back inside my body and out the other end. I’d have a tail. Nothing is more icky than being pigeonholed into a social role that I don’t even like!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 01:37 PM
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Too many men do think too intensely with their dicks, too often But at some point, you can’t just hide behind portraying sex as the only thing important about women because you’re afraid of being hurt. That’s how it ends in hurt anyway. They want to know what else they are seen for too. We all do. And people will keep you around if you see them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 05:48 AM
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No, they’re just really fucking sad that men would go to another country before working on their connection to the opposite sex at home Ultimately, you are going to have to exist in the confines of the present moment. Going to another country to fuck another woman doesn’t change the fact that the more women’s rights advance, the more you realize that they are just normal people that care about you but want to live their own lives too. You’ll realize once you do get someone and live with them, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 01:24 AM
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Didums?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 07:51 PM
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Exactly! lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 06:19 PM
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All anyone really has to do is make their partner’s life better than it would be without them. There’s so many ways to do that and it really sucks that so many people aren’t just creative and carefree about how. Whatever you best bring to the table - nurturing, work, emotional labor, chores, cleaning, cooking, etc. - just throw that shit in. Human relationships are becoming way over complicated, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 05:04 PM
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I get that Your partner should at least be a roommate that makes your life easier, if nothing else
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 04:18 PM
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It’s just another thing that makes you hate yourself more if you feel unlovable anyway. There’s no reason to avoid mutually consensual relationships just because you don’t like yourself. Plenty of people are fine with broken partners. It’s all just life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 04:01 PM
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Completely unhinged ♥️
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:59 PM
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Sure, and at the same time, you’re going to have shit that you just suck at and the other person will have to pick up the slack on. There’s so much shit to do in life that you’re better off just having him do something else. Pick up the groceries, set up appointments, drop the kids off at school, work, cook, mop, sweep, vacuum, laundry, etc. Whatever he’s passable at is fine! Zeroing in on the one or two things your partner doesn’t do right just makes them inclined to do nothing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:57 PM
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Yup. Plenty of women suck at keeping a clean house and are better off just working and having the husband do it less shittily
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:53 PM
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A lot of times, you get just as much shit for trying and fucking up as you do for not bothering at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:52 PM
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Yeah, if the shit gets done, save your breath.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:51 PM
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We should start having World Championship Diaper Changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:50 PM
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It’s the shaming, really. If you’re going to rip a guy’s asshole apart with a chainsaw because he doesn’t cook right, clean right, etc., he’s not going to be inclined to bother with the task next time and he will never have the opportunity to get better at it. Point out the specifics that he did wrong (at least to you) and have him try again. You’re supposed to be a team, not adversaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:45 PM
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Yeah they do, I honestly think that staking things out on terms like “patriarchy” and “toxic masculinity” makes men feel more ashamed/attacked personally/guarded though than being primed to help make anything better. I get the point logically but at the same time there’s a certain anti-man vibe to it that just turns a lot of men off that I think would be better nudged towards instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:33 AM
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I can see where “toxic masculinity” can come off as “masculinity is toxic”. I think you’re better off just replacing “toxic masculinity” with “social norms” and rereading the same sentence a second time to get the actual point being conveyed with a cooler head.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:31 AM
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Thank you. I’m still sorry. I wish I could offer more and am ashamed that I can’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:28 PM
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It still effects people’s perception of me and I feel like shit if you’re scared of me. I don’t want you to be. And I have no idea how to convey “I’m safe” without it being suspect or seeming like I’m just white knighting or whatever I usually just try to avoid bothering women as much as I can without it becoming weird because I wouldn’t trust me if I were you, at least if you didn’t know me. I’ve seen the things men say, read the news, etc. I honestly feel like I’m morally obligated to apologiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:23 PM
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I know, I’m sorry. Truthfully. I wake up every day just a bit more ashamed of my own gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:10 PM
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What do you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:03 PM
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I know, I just hope more of the somewhat unselfish men get their heads out of their asses and think rationally and fairly for five seconds. There’s some that are still somewhere on the fence between dick and kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:02 PM
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That’s what I mean, it’s a total double standard, especially if we’re going to do it more
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:13 PM
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I will say, it’s useful ammunition against men if you realize that, if anything, we’re bigger whores. I mean, here’s a whole PhD dissertation on uncovering how, as a man, you can hoe yourself out and put out as fast as possible. If nothing else, we should take purity culture off the board as any sort of gendered criticism of women. And tbh, I’ve never really understood it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 05:19 PM
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It isn’t like people don’t know the risks going in.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 05:13 AM
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No amount of romantic and sexual success is worth becoming an asshole for.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 10:41 PM
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This is the essence of my incredibly complicated relationship with feminism. On the one hand, they’re identifying problems that men face because they’re just the flip side of the ones women do. On the other, they’re alienating men by implicitly or explicitly blaming and making enemies of them. In reality, yeah, men are listened to more. But there’s a cost to it that can actually make such a reality worse sometimes - there’s a heightened level of expectation, self-consciousness, embarrassment, pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 05:27 PM
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Yup The other person expecting chasing and paying just sets you up for a completely imbalanced relationship that’s therefore unsustainable
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 04:04 PM
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Isn’t it more egotistical to want someone that’s a perfect match?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 10:40 AM
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Then what would you want instead
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 10:37 PM
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I think babies just give men purpose they have no reason to have otherwise Far from the crazy cat lady stereotype, it’s men that struggle most without kids
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 10:25 PM
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Looks can be kept honed too, I’m not sure what the difference fundamentally is
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 10:23 PM
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It’s a hysterical variation of very common knowledge
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 09:40 PM
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That women go for richer and hotter men is common knowledge?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 09:07 PM
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Yes but don’t you, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 07:51 PM
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Yes, I’m not surprised by it at all Why would I be surprised
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:07 PM
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But you still want the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:05 PM
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I mean, “Sports Illustrated bikini model billionaire” is also going to have better luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:11 PM
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lol “rich hot guy attracts more women than poor fat guy” is not some breakthrough discovery. That’s my biggest problem with Red Pill. It sells incredibly obvious and logical realities as some secret knowledge and dresses it up in some overarching narrative and graphs. None of this is news, has never been. Yes, there are plenty of instances of layabout men who get women. Does it come close in proportion to the number of women who pine for rich and hot men? No, and why would you expect it to?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:09 PM
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Plenty of people get it, overall. Plenty of “high value men” don’t, plenty of “low value men” do. Sure, you’re more likely to have your cake and eat it if you make a billion dollars and look sexy as hell, but that isn’t some law of physics either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:03 PM
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Don’t we all?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 04:52 PM
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Why not both?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 04:31 PM
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No my point is that achievements and so on aren’t that different than looks, in terms of fading away
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 04:14 PM
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Yes but still
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 02:09 PM
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Doesn’t that still mean that it all fades though?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:01 PM
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You can still have hot pics from 50 years ago. Joe Biden used to be a real looker in his day.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:58 PM
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Do you remember the person in your shoes in 1855?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:58 PM
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A lot of laws have been updated for greater inclusivity and VAWA is one of them. Treatment of men in these situations is also improving in both being taken seriously and recognized as existing at all
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:49 PM
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Your brain and endurance will too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:45 PM
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Which laws? Can you pick one that’s against men which goes beyond the relatively narrow area of family court or the draft which was a thing before women could vote?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:27 PM
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It’s weird because, on the opposite hand, I dream of feeling safe in the notion that I can be valued for something I’m not able to provide and something that receptivity attracts instead of something I have to act on and is proactive. I feel like there’s so much gender envy without the admission from either side that a balance needs to be struck rather than all out extremes in either direction. Something men can suffer from can be a woman’s most fervent desire for herself. (And vice versa), That…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:44 PM
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I think “opposites attract” is always a common pondering. I’ve heard the same regarding conservative women/liberal men. To some extent, I think liberal-coded men might have a thing for conservative-coded women and vice versa. But actual values trump all else, if they’re too far apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:38 PM
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unhealthy psychologies don’t actually (often) make one a bad person You can be attracted to bad people because you feel a low sense of self worth, just fantasize about it, accept the love you think you deserve, etc. None of that makes you a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:35 PM
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Why would a secure masculine man even pay attention to what feminists are theorizing about men anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:24 PM
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Adaptability is genetic. If patriarchy is genetic, why is it dying out? I’m not kidding - overall, despite the 75 year old man babies that are beyond their expiration date anyway but currently in power - women have never had more personal or political power. If patriarchy was such an advantage, wouldn’t we be expecting such a thing to increase? What if patriarchy made sense when you needed the strongest ones to kill the wooly mammoths but is actually damaging in modern contexts and we’re slowly …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:22 PM
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Counterpoint - why are we expecting feminism to even give a definition of positive masculinity in the first place? Feminism, as a philosophy, is essentially just “please don’t harm me”, by and for women. Why should anyone expect to find the ultimate truth of masculinity over there? Masculinity is something that men are responsible for defining for ourselves. The fact that the so-called “manly men” are so preoccupied with how feminism feels about them in the first place indicates to me that they …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:15 PM
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Some do, some don’t. The ones that do just seem to feel the need to mention it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:22 AM
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Men would be a lot healthier and pegging would be much more popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 08:41 PM
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What about the other two? And pretty much anything else you might consider an unhealthy trait Evolutionary Psychology is not a clearcut thing anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 12:18 AM
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There’s people who find scars and tattoos super hot. Some people are even into amputees. That shit’s really weird to me but also it does exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:10 PM
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There’s a ton of shit that’s unhealthy and it doesn’t impact feelings of attraction Some instances, it can increase them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:39 PM
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Or who like being exercise blokes for the large women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:35 PM
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“I don’t understand or like something” Therefore it never happens with other people?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:34 PM
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There are way more men into it than act on it though because of how everyone sees it as weird Which kinda hurts both sexes honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:32 PM
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💕❤️🥰
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:31 PM
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That is not a particular consensus though You have loud men saying that and the rest are silent Then half the time you give a man that, he doesn’t want it because he doesn’t fit the stereotype but never said so
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:09 PM
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A lot of men don’t communicate what we even want though
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:59 PM
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Women just have a clearer picture of what a good Valentine’s Day looks like for them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:56 PM
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There’s not much consensus about what romance to men would even look like
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:49 PM
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Sure, but I think there’s a legitimate point to be had that simply collecting Pokémon cards is a pretty tame thing. There’s plenty of women into odd hobbies and fandoms too. If it isn’t harmful really, why judge much on it? The rest of your point, I agree with generally but also, anyone being called a creep isn’t going to like it and is going to be upset by it. So it isn’t surprising that people react negatively to the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:48 PM
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There are societal boundaries that are worth weeding out because they really don’t hold any benefit in restricting - things like homosexuality and gender identity There are also societal boundaries that are worth keeping - things like incest, pedophilia, bestiality, etc. shouldn’t be normalized. Lifting the restrictiveness of social norms surrounding one type of sexual or sexual-adjacent behavior or attribute does not mean that you must therefore approve of all forms of going against social norm…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:44 PM
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No, step mom! Get it right! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:41 PM
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Your first paragraph is the complete opposite of your title, dude. I agree in some sense, that men should be more vocal about wanting to be romanced and women should be more open to it - buy us flowers, propose, ask out, write a love letter - but that’s the type of thing we also send so many mixed messages on too. Plenty of men vocally oppose such things and say they’d feel emasculated or simply not want them. And so, I’m not really sure that Valentine’s Day is inherently a chore for men/gift fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:38 PM
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Divorce favors nobody because heartbreak is a prerequisite for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 04:27 PM
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AI and more embracing of the ability for men to be feminine and not chase that side of the human experience so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:23 AM
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Probably purpose honestly I think a lot of men are brought up to essentially “drive” the success of a family and feel quite alone if they don’t even have a family to do so for; and alienated by being brought up that way in turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 05:28 AM
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Please don’t take the Xbox away!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 03:30 AM
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I mean, having a kid of the opposite sex is naturally going to open up more avenues to empathy but I’m also not sure “deranged boy mom” isn’t just one of many toxic parenting dynamics. I think it’s a provocative topic but there’s much more in the realm of banal toxicity in parenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 03:26 AM
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There are plenty of profoundly damaging traits that get coded as masculine and thus aspirational for men to have when there are so many more healthy ways to go about your life
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 03:09 AM
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But that’s kind of a chicken or egg thing Perhaps more men would choose it voluntarily if it were more beneficial to them too
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 02:02 AM
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You mean single men’s situations?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 01:26 AM
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I honestly recall single childless men being more miserable. So, it honestly seems like a degree of projection and shaming to prevent happiness in a situation we’d be miserable in
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 01:08 AM
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Alrighty then lol Doesn’t sound realistic for most people but
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:13 PM
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Which is something everybody does You don’t pretend like you love your job or your boss ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:07 PM
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Everybody is people pleasing on some level. How they go about it or how much of it they do varies, sure. But we’re social creatures.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:55 PM
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Thank you ❤️
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:54 PM
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This assumption is built on an all or nothing fallacy that’s wrong in the first place. While women and men do have different traits that they prioritize, they are attracted to the same traits - everyone wants a partner who has a nice ass, everyone wants a partner who is funny, everyone wants a partner that is rich, everyone wants a partner that is fascinating, everyone wants a partner that only has eyes for them, everyone wants a partner who protects them, etc. etc. etc. Those traits may be more…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:51 PM
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Does anyone not make snap judgements about other people but outwardly act differently? You couldn’t have a society if “people pleasing” didn’t exist and gender doesn’t even matter there; everybody does it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:47 PM
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Yeah, plus it’s a natural consequence of the norm of men being the approacher and women the approached. You can’t blame women for handling it when they face the situation by default of social norms
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:06 PM
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When I want to be emasculated and humiliated by a woman, I do it in private.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 07:44 PM
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I’ve long felt like men even having a handful of avenues to act effeminately is pretty much the key to world peace
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:14 PM
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It may also be much lower if the range is that high.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:59 PM
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Cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:55 PM
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I wish people communicated more about the challenges that their gender faces instead of blaming and assuming what the other does and goes through. You are right that you can’t know how to communicate in the prevalent contexts that we talk about this stuff. The questions of “why is the opposite sex so shitty?” are what’s wrong though and the answers are largely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:54 PM
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2-10% is not orders of magnitude off from 1%. Sure, innocent until proven guilty. But if you want the public to generally be more skeptical of rape claims? that’s not something you can force. You are already innocent until proven guilty in court, as much as any other crime. A lot of men are being hyperbolic about “I’m going to be thrown in jail without any evidence!” When the much thornier question is “how much should the public itself believe an allegation?” Which is a valid debate but also som…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:50 PM
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Very broad strokes there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:46 PM
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This is not actually contradictory “Give more of a chance to men who are short, poor, fat, feminine, less educated, etc. if you can.” Those traits aren’t indicative of a good or bad person. “Stop falling for narcissists that promise you things that no human can really control or men who are mean to others.” Those are actions. And at least possibly indicative of a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:45 PM
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AI can suffice already, does not reject, and is only improving Might I revise my prior point to “men need to get to a point where they do not need women to any greater degree than women need them and there’s no other viable outcome for improvement along gender lines” How that is accomplished? I have no idea because there’s probably many ways and moving parts that could all push in that direction Everyone is hurting because of the burden we place on you to save men and be their sole source of emo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:14 PM
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Again, sex is a small part Ultimately far less necessary for men because porn and AI can suffice
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 02:58 PM
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Yes but it isn’t the romance that is the root issue, it’s all forms of affection and relying on romance entirely has so many pitfalls that the issue has to be resolved in other ways Chief among the pitfalls is the implication that men must rely on women and that women would have some obligation to save men by being with them It isn’t a sustainable dynamic Idk what the answer is - AI girlfriends? Normalizing singlehood? Constant therapy appointments? Psychedelics? RVing? Porn? UBI? The destructio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 02:47 PM
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romance is only one factor in fulfillment
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 02:38 PM
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Sure, but it’s only one factor
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 02:33 PM
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I mean, it sounds like a big opening for a bunch of 45 year old women and 22 year old men to get together, if what you’re getting at is true enough. In regard to men being train wrecks though? I honestly think we’re just seeing the growing pains of technology. Men are just like “shit, I can live in a van and play Xbox now?” Women are the ones more motivated to make an impact, be successful, etc. in today’s world and men want nothing more than a peaceful and slow life, with responsibilities minim…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 12:42 PM
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Men are starved for affection, not romance per se. The reason women don’t have such a dire time with loneliness is because they can find affection in other human relationships beyond romantic ones since social dynamics allow for it much more. Friends and family can fill that gap for women in ways they cannot for men, certainly not without it feeling awkward, forced, or shameful if men were to pursue the same thing in the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 12:27 PM
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lol alrighty then
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 12:02 PM
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It isn’t a black or white thing Just that the gentler the population, the less violence
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:51 AM
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Not really, all it is, is a matter of trait distribution If gentleness is more common in men, there is apt to be less violence
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 10:32 PM
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What’s wrong with being feminine? The masculine men seem intent on destroying the world I’d honestly argue that femininity and “weakness” is our only hope of saving this world
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 07:23 PM
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Which requires somebody to do it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:57 PM
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I don’t think you’re any more obligated to give someone physical contact than you are obligated to give a room up for a homeless person
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:04 PM
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All I’m really saying is that the very men who make a yuge ruckus about how great men are overall and how strong they themselves are? These aren’t strong men at all. They whine and blame, and do nothing to help anyone, including themselves And then complain that feminism, itself a flawed human movement, isn’t somehow saving men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:33 PM
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You don’t have to
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:10 PM
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Are you obligated to give clean water to someone who is thirsty?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:56 PM
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Sure, all I’m getting at is that something can be a greater or lesser need
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:21 PM
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Yes? So is smoking, routine anyhow I mean you can survive without oxygen for a small period of time
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:18 PM
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Plenty of people smoke a pack a day and outlive the average lifespan
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:15 PM
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Cigarettes are worse
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:53 PM
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It’s worse than cigarettes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:53 PM
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Portraying sex itself as a need is being dramatic But human touch and connection is, and sex can be a part of that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:12 PM
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Why do you expect feminism to advocate for men’s issues much in the first place? Do men’s rights activists advocate for women? You guys have extremely unrealistic expectations of women to be some perfect angels that aren’t motivated at all by their own benefit Let go of such a childish notion and respect the simple fact that they are people who will stand for their own Seek areas of common ground but don’t be so shocked when women advocate for themselves, even if it is at the expense of men from…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:09 PM
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Yes, sex is a need. (Along with other touch based connection) But being an incel isn’t going to get you it anyway. The problem with most Red Pill shit is that it can heal nothing in men because it creates an enemy out of women by setting them up as the fall guy for all of men’s problems. Which creates a 50-50 split, at best, in getting anybody on the same page as you Sometimes, you can have a need without blame
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:20 AM
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But “women never take responsibility” 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 10:50 PM
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What’s wrong with just being nice and not caring if it gets you dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 12:41 PM
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I’ve complained myself into remarkable success
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 01:33 AM
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I think more of us value those things than you’d think
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 01:32 AM
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I’m feeling hysterical
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 11:50 PM
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Men have never gone to the all or nothing fallacy…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 11:13 PM
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Sure, but there’s a profound lack of humility in your post, frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:32 PM
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There’s a massive divide among men about this. Right wing ones are loud and don’t want to focus on anything they could perceive as help. Because that’s not manly to them. But that attitude is far from universal. Left wing ones, essentially feeling so far away from MAGA men, and wanting to get rid of status quo masculinity, don’t even try to connect with the right wing men because of this. There is zero qualitative agreement between men and, in many cases, we’re ideological enemies with each othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:19 PM
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You do not speak for everyone of your gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:14 PM
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Men viewed themselves as equal to women back then and now feel beneath them because of it. We had more money and felt equal. Now they have as much money and we feel less than. Among other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 11:12 PM
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At some point, you have to understand that men see themselves as less than you by default and accept the love they think they deserve In this case, a woman with a lot of baggage can actually be comforting for them in a “she’s flawed too” way, where the men involved in those dynamics actually feel safe in a unique sense of equality all its own That is, equally difficult to live with
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 02:25 PM
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I love how this has zero consideration for the fact that plenty of women get boners for other dudes while in a relationship too They just aren’t trying to argue that acting on it would be a good thing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:03 AM
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What part of biology
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:45 PM
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You can’t take any of this stuff at face value because it’s a bunch of men hiding behind 1980’s posturing while making retail wages and living with their parents Men are terrified that women have escaped their gender shackles and men have not, which engenders feelings of jealousy, anxiety, and resentment Ultimately though, we’re going to have to be brutally honest with women, tell them we’re simply falling behind and anxious about our value in today’s world because they are passing us in many re…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 08:40 PM
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It’s so silly to critique anyway in the context of Red Pill, Alpha/Beta, “dating market”, etc. The men are just putting nonsensical numbers over their own “new age” type beliefs to pretend they know anything with any certainty
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 02:40 PM
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I really wish there was a way for men to find self respect without it needing to originate from dating and women All Red Pill stuff does is still make your life about women And you’re still left not having any idea of who you even are
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 04:36 AM
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There’s more to life than theoretical logistics
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:18 PM
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Isn’t this the exact kind of thing women supposedly hate? Maybe men are listening to you and not just randomly approaching everyone that has a jiggly ass in yoga pants? My only advice to other men is to do the opposite to the best of your ability - make the women chase you If she wants to, she will You? You have no idea if you’re gonna creep her out, if she’s going to think all you care about is her butt, if she’ll just acquiesce to being with you because she’s pushed into it or just feels sorry…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 01:50 PM
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It’s a deep one!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 08:24 PM
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What people are being kicked off of platforms for holding Red Pill views? Where is this actually happening
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:52 PM
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The only thing I’d add is that there’s only really one set of social norms at any given time When the experiences between genders are so different that what the other half desperately wants feels like a loss to you, conflict arises Where men feel famine, women feel flood. And vice versa. There’s got to be some compromise struck at some point Because currently, what seems to be the best way to make the opposite sex happy is to do the thing for them that you hate most about what you face. Objectif…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:50 PM
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Maybe Red Pill shit is just unpopular outside of your own bubble
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:40 PM
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I honestly just think people should really smoke it over more, generally There are tons of people getting into really poorly thought out relationships Men, women; doesn’t matter Actually think through things You aren’t beholden to biology and there are some things that might be hot to you at first and then a disaster in the long run Just think
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:39 PM
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You can’t just want the romantic notion of unconditional love? It isn’t like having or not having a prenup would solve everything in anybody’s life
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:36 PM
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Where is this forbidden knowledge being censored? I mean, yeah, if you flat out call a bunch of chicks “whores” and “cum dumpsters”, you’ll probably get your shit taken down for being an asshole But I’ve never seen a simple Red Pill idea censored, let alone in a unique way
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:37 PM
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Didn’t read the flair lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:09 AM
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We just like you guys, God.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:08 AM
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Cool, agree to disagree then
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 11:01 PM
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No one does! But there’s a polarity there. Women have more conditions than men do lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:18 PM
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Yes they do! We’re bitchy and whiney whores! Does everything we say have to be held against us permanently? Women say all sorts of shit that are forgive and then somehow think they’re not listened to enough, meanwhile, you’ll bend dudes over the table based on some fight from 2 years ago We remember the shit you said 2 years ago too, we just empathize because people shoot their mouth off and that doesn’t indicate what they actually think. Or at least not always lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:17 PM
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You’re saying all these men want all this shit, do they? Just going off what men say all the time is silly People say all sorts of shit
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:13 PM
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Express! That isn’t always real
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 09:02 PM
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From my observation, most just put in the effort required for a brief connection and don’t trust that it’ll go any further than that, if they’re lucky In other words, “what’s the point when you’ll find someone better the moment you want to?” And honestly, women don’t appear to put any real effort in either Effort for yourself, yeah But effort with men only seems to be a one way street for women to receive it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:13 PM
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Express? I’m saying in reality Maybe instead of settling, they’re just bitching and actually do love the people they’re with
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 06:59 PM
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In practice though, is that what you really see? They just whine. In reality, they don’t give a shit, as long as you’re there with ‘em I don’t think I’ve ever met a guy that actually expects any of those things
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 06:39 PM
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Sure, men have fewer conditions and therefore love better, would be my stance, at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 06:29 PM
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More unconditionally than you do them? I don’t think that’s such an absurd claim though
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 06:19 PM
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At this point, overall, I kinda think men just love more You guys can be quite cold lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:44 PM
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Oh god, now men have to apologize for women being jealous of each other? That’s your shit! High maintenance people are never happier regardless, dude Love that isn’t freely given isn’t love anyway, it’s manipulation And the older I get, the more I empathize with the men You aren’t entitled to someone being head over heels for the love you’re choosing to give them Work on your own egos. Maybe put on a ketchup stained tank top and smoke a bowl on the couch instead of screaming at your husbands bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:07 PM
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You can’t have something in between?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:12 PM
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There are many points between those two polarities
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 03:31 PM
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Yes? Shouldn’t data exist to back up a claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:00 AM
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Yeah, like evaluate what would even make you happy in the first place before trying to be successful at anything
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 01:35 AM
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Seems like nobody is responsible but nobody is to blame either
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 01:00 AM
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What is it then lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:51 AM
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I’m not saying any of that’s untrue I’m saying it’s just not easy for men to trust that you love them We want you to meet us where we’re at too, and it’s often a broken place for most people deep down
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:43 AM
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What is the argument you are making? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:40 AM
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What about when we get old? And sick? Have children? Need to keep lights on? Men are doers, we expect women to be able to do this in return If you can’t put effort into meeting us where we are, are we worth it to you? Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:19 AM
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For four easy payments of $9.99?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:09 AM
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Depends on what you’re looking for to be happy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:08 AM
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Certainly and there’s nothing wrong with that perspective either But a perspective can be 100% valid and still be a dynamic that kinda sucks for someone else based on their own perspective It isn’t wrong to have those needs, it isn’t wrong that others may feel insecure about it and not trust you Your perspective is justified but pretending that it doesn’t damage any degree of trust from men would just be a lie It does, it feels like a really insecure form of love, tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:07 AM
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lol 20 years is a lot of time to spend only to end up congregating with everyone else on Reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 12:02 AM
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It’s a product being sold man
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:47 PM
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There’s nothing wrong with valuing someone for what they can offer But there’s also nothing wrong with being cynical and distrusting over it And the longer those two things are this disconnected between both genders, the more we’re just going to continuously drift apart I’m sorry, but love is hollow if all you’re looking for is what someone can do for you It used to be men that did this via sex and companionship in exchange for providership but I’m honestly leaning toward the idea that we’ll be …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:46 PM
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Because of how that person makes them feel at that time What else is possible to know?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:39 PM
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They value the connection with that particular person and in that specific moment What else is there anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:37 PM
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Yes, and it’s also understandable that even those people can’t make everyone happy either
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:35 PM
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Enlighten me, it seems to be everything it needs to be to avoid criticism
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:34 PM
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Sure, I just think we’re coming at this from opposite perspectives For what it’s worth, I don’t expect her to provide any of those things The only thing I need her to do to keep me is to just keep in literal touch So long as I have a place to feel some degree of physical and emotional comfort and safety from her, I don’t really care Honestly I think, obviously, nobody can expect a person to go live in a cardboard box with them But that doesn’t mean that only feeling valued for your usefulness is…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:32 PM
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Which is that the Red Pill thing is useless because even if 100% worked, you’d still be miserable?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:06 PM
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Sure, but most resistance only makes sense in the context of a situation where the pros outweigh the cons, even if just to yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:48 PM
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And? What does that have to do with the point itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:45 PM
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Yup I can understand following mean paths if they got somewhere that made it worth it That shit just doesn’t do it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:38 PM
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There ya go, all it can do is identify with you It solves nothing though
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:26 PM
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I empathize with the emotions to go into that rabbit hole, I just don’t think it’s a kind one nor a successful one
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:25 PM
1

lol that’s also probably true 👀
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:20 PM
1

None of this comment is an actual attempt at debating though I could be the cringiest person in the world and it’s irrelevant to the discussion at hand
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:19 PM
1

Aren’t all of those things subjective? What happens if a woman wants to be overvalued and a man wants to give her that? If that’s what makes both parties happy, then Red Pill philosophy is immediately useless All I’m saying is to really think through what your goals even are
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:18 PM
4

Sure, but self improvement doesn’t require it existing on the backs of women You’re better off improving yourself for you anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:16 PM
1

No but they probably want to be around you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:57 PM
-1

Lmao source?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:54 PM
0

I don’t have any issue with those points, I simply think that, while true, they’ve generally made human connection shitty Running around “proving” yourself to others at all times is a fairly miserable life
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:53 PM
1

How is that useful
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:50 PM
0

Yes and that’s a really miserable way to be You’re not going to cure loneliness that way You’ll still be just as lonely around 500 people and then all the more sad about it from the guilt of using people
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:49 PM
3

There’s nothing wrong with not knowing what will help you either Why do you need an answer and what if there isn’t one?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:48 PM
0

No connection is ever going to be worked on if no grace exists in it I get the criticism of men for everything from our emotions to leaving the toilet seat up We’re hard to live with, but that’s also love And that’s the only way you can possibly build any sort of connection with another person To have an empathetic part of yourself meet a broken part of someone else Otherwise, you’re just coworkers at best and often competitors
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:46 PM
1

Then what’s the use of it in real life? All you can do is guess with it, you gonna keep going with it once you meet someone and then treat any attribute that doesn’t meet the stereotyping as invalid? Or are you better off just going into any relationship or connection with another person blind? Why pigeon hole someone you eventually want to love anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:43 PM
0

And there are tens of millions of women who can’t stand Barbie’s, what’s the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:40 PM
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Clarity. I think most people just want the connection to another person I’m simply arguing that the Red Pill thing isn’t going to get there
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:39 PM
1

It can’t predict absolutely, plenty of women are taller There’s a lot of people you’re writing off as individuals Given the sheer size of the population especially Say 20% of women are taller, there’s tens of millions of people dealing with that dynamic too
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:37 PM
1

Then what is it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:32 PM
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That’s why it’s a debate It’s subjective I’m just curious as to how many people actually think the whole thing is worthwhile? And if there are worthwhile parts, then which?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:32 PM
3

Plenty of kids don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:31 PM
1

I’m simply arguing the worth of it A hell of a lot of effort for something that’ll do nothing for you because something done in blame or callousness toward other people never really works out
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:30 PM
2

No it isn’t anyone’s job to do but it makes no sense for men to put in all that effort if they don’t feel comfortable with the other person anyhow And if the only way they can feel safe with another person is to test the conditionality of their love, it will be a problem getting close to anybody And if you’re already of the mindset that “it isn’t your job to fix anything”, what does that portend for “in sickness and in health”?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:27 PM
1

That’s exactly my point Whatever gains it might have are tiny compared to the inner risks to yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:24 PM
2

There aren’t that many conditions to it for me, honestly (Yes, there’s extreme conditions) Your exact point scares me because it’s much more vulnerable to need another more than they need you You guys are just able to shut another person out and I think women have lower thresholds for what constitutes “irreparable differences” these days There’s many cases where I’ll read women on here talk up the idea of leaving a partner and I read it and think “I wouldn’t leave if I were her” What if, in 2025…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:21 PM
1

What is the female equivalent of the Red Pill which is being sold to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:16 PM
1

Yes, we all only have 24 hours and so it’s understandable that people are exhausted trying to keep others happy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:16 PM
2

Even something as boring as that is a fundamentally disconnected approach because applying broader trends to what you think of individual people is both kinda mean and also wrong Women may want richer men overall but that doesn’t mean all do or that even the ones who are that way can’t sacrifice that preference for someone they otherwise love Or that the importance of money is static, the more they make, the less ours matters At least according to studies, and I’ve no real reason to doubt it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:13 PM
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Perhaps you don’t understand the basic psychological need to feel loved unconditionally? Men have to have that before they move on to things like effort, tbh If I don’t trust you to love me if I can’t do something for you, why should I get any closer? That’s cold.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:08 PM
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I do have empathy The reason I say it is because, frankly, it’s impossible to know whether relationships are worth any given tactic And I can tell you, that they aren’t You’ll be much worse off in the long run with something you’ve lied yourself into
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:04 PM
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That’s exactly what I’m saying If you’re being sold something useful, it will be sold in some way to the other half of the population too That’s how money gets made, selling something that’s as broadly useful as possible
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:03 PM
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Being paid for or not is largely irrelevant Being listened to, however? That’s where shit gets dangerous I buy useless shit all the time, doing so doesn’t inherently cause much harm Buying into useless things that also hurt other people is just dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:00 PM
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Yes, I’m wondering that too Like wouldn’t you happily buy a book about how to manipulate our half of the population? Wouldn’t studying “Red Pill truths” be of immense interest to any woman if it works because she’s never going to not have to deal with men in her life?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:57 PM
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They’d happily sell a salad if it sold well That Red Pill ideology - even in a reciprocal “Art of War - Straight Girl Version” type of thing - isn’t sellable to women seems to indicate that the ideas are more a male version of essential oil sales than some hidden universal truth “Your gender is vulnerable to buying this and we’ll happily make money from it”. Plenty of things are sold to consumers that have zero or even negative value Look at cigarettes Stuff doesn’t have to be helpful to make yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:55 PM
0

What knowledge? That you can lie yourself into a relationship with somebody? That’s somehow new?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:47 PM
3

Exactly, you said it best! “Success rates in what?” If the Red Pill vision of success is not going to make you any happier, it ain’t worth doing all that anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:46 PM
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Yes, I’m saying that the Red Pill tools aren’t worth picking up because they don’t actually fix more than they break.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:44 PM
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Yeah but I think she’s saying it’s dubious that these things are being marketed solely as “ten lumberjack secrets to win a woman” and not being reciprocated with “here’s how men think and how to manipulate them back” in response If we’re all just fucking around with each other, why limit the manipulation you’re selling to only half the population?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:41 PM
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There’s probably an inferiority complex in the pecking order among men in that regard though I see this kind of thing be a subtle “well, they must be gay because they’re so focused on men” but women focus on other women to evaluate social standing too Maybe in different ways and about different things, but it’s not some uniquely male flaw
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:38 PM
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Ding ding ding 🛎️ Men are vulnerable to being sold a bill of goods by YouTube personalities because they’re in a very despairing position right now It doesn’t mean you have to fall for it. But you do have to be mindful of it. Most of us do have ways of falling for lies and it’s usually sold as a way of fixing your feelings You feel powerless and alone? You’ll never believe these 10 shocking steps to get people and power! Follow Red Pill all the way through. You’ll be in a giant mansion. Alone. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:34 PM
1

Yup. It’s a huge pick-me fest of metaphoric twerking and dancing in whatever way you think women want It would be sad if it wasn’t so mean
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:29 PM
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No, but operating from the “cheat code unlocks women” mindset is
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:27 PM
2

That’s just a really shitty bargain. For you. Better to be rejected for who you are than accepted for who you aren’t
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:23 PM
2

You’re falling into a black and white mindset Grace is surely never entirely nonexistent, but it is in short supply with our busy lives
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:22 PM
2

Sure it is, but if you’re picking between two miserable outcomes, why put in all the work that such a mindset demands? What’s the pay off?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:14 PM
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You can get manipulated emotional connection from AI You can cum from porn and fleshlights What’s the point anymore - for either - to be with the other, if not just the human connection
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:12 PM
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That seems like a really shitty person to be with if you’re right though
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 07:55 PM
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And if she doesn’t because you’re that good of a spy, she’ll never really know you and you’ll be alone anyway. You have to actually meet as people if you don’t want to just do the dance in a way that’s only a massive waste of time for yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 07:43 PM
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Yup
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 07:42 PM
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Well sure, but the Red Pill foundation is essentially “for four easy payments of 9.99, you too can find out how women’s software works!” It’s the monthly subscription version of dating
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 07:40 PM
1

Not in discussion, just in your head
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 07:32 PM
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Yes you are, never did I think you wouldn’t be if you did that Just that it’s probably pointless to focus on
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 05:18 PM
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We’re needing to push away honestly It’s not even a matter of how often this is occurring or whether it’s morally correct but… In 2025, they can provide things for us that we can’t get in some other capacity; There are things men need that women have a monopoly on and that’s a pretty frightening thing - to need someone that doesn’t need you Women? They have tools, guns, cars, ladders, stilts, pallet jacks, wheels, stairs, etc. that can make our uniqueness redundant You can’t connect with someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 04:36 PM
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I mean, I’ll freely admit to being a dipshit but dipshits can still make decent points every once in awhile I can’t pretend everything I think is objectively right, but sometimes I’ll hit on something that can strike a chord for people, at least according to upvotes I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 04:32 PM
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We are bitter though, even if I’m just being honest about how I think and feel about the times… Like throughout human history, the social structures we’ve created are men relying on women for emotional empowerment, and women relying on men for physical empowerment (not that women never need men emotionally or men never need women physically, but the social roles still generalize out) The former hasn’t changed, the latter has Robots, guns, locks, economic empowerment, pallet jacks, etc. unlock ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 04:30 PM
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You clearly have a lot of time on your hands lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 04:13 PM
2

What is toxic? I mean honestly. You’re going over downside facts about how men all too often can be. But is it always better to even be empathetic in the first place? Is there perhaps a utility to the same traits and maybe we should just focus on trying to channel those traits in better ways instead of calling men evil for having them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 04:12 PM
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Sure, but it’s common Like being cut off in traffic and getting all mad about it Sure, the person is an asshole but you’re better off not giving a shit than being mad about it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:06 PM
2

In what way? You’re the one annoyed enough by it to comment
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:59 PM
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Maybe, doesn’t change the fact that it’s very common And there’s lots of asshole behaviors that are super common that are better off not taking personally
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:36 PM
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You’re just going to make yourself bitter if you think that way People can’t even agree on moral parameters and never honestly have
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:27 PM
1

No problems whatsoever!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:27 PM
5

As you type on Reddit… lol Glass houses, man
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:09 PM
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Um, would you like a complementary “if women are broken, it makes sense to want a break” participation trophy?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:13 PM
8

Nobody has any time dude
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:48 PM
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The entire question is about “women’s exodus from the dating market”…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:46 PM
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But mommmmmmmm!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 07:28 AM
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It’s understandable, honestly People are broken overall nowadays. Things are fucked. And I wish people extended more grace to each other, but I get why they can’t. We don’t have the time, the money, the resources, the energy, the attention, etc. to fix people on an individual basis We never have, but we especially never have these days. If men are a bit broken, it’s understandable to take a break from it Everyone probably needs to breathe more along so many lines, beyond just dating I don’t ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 06:58 AM
1

Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:27 PM
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And Howard Stern has since gone into therapy and become a much more circumspect person now Doing shit that offends people for the sake of audience growth is kinda selfish
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:15 PM
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Yeah but you can play being an asshole all you want to, if you keep playing the role when it garners that sort of reaction from people, you can stop pretending because that makes you an asshole Even if you can get all the women in the world, the connection in those situations is shallow as hell and a fleshlight is way less expensive and requires far less effort than Red Pilling If you guys are going to treat women as a pick up artist NPC algorithm anyway, why not just download an AI girlfriend a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:53 PM
1

Depends on who you’re talking to Andrew Tate is a pretty big asshole
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:56 PM
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Most people think Red Pill is wrong because even when they correctly identify problems, they turn toward blame instead of fixing It comes across as “we want to be hated because at least then we matter” Not a true interest in self improvement or even picking up women And if someone hates you, hey, at least they’re talking with you Having people be indifferent to your existence is so much more painful than them yelling at you In that way, to be hated is to matter Red Pill provides you guys with th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:31 PM
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AI is doing great things in this regard Unironically I think, to put a finger on it, there’s more of an insecurity among men that we are less useful to women than the other way around For a long time, men found usefulness in hunting down Bigfoot Then in providing money Women can now do both And at least as well - a woman with a gun is going to have a much better chance against Bigfoot than the strongest man on earth A college degree is going to give you better incomes and job opportunities It’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:15 PM
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Sure, I’m not saying it’s some huge thing I’m saying they don’t let anger out enough, at anybody or anything
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 06:15 PM
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And you know everyone’s last inner thought? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 05:57 PM
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I mean, you don’t hold any anger inside you at all - even if it isn’t directed at men or directed at anything at all? Because that’s just difficult to believe, honestly lol I know I can’t truly know this myself bc I’m simply not a woman, but that is the general vibe I sense with many of you guys and it honestly gives me this vague social pain in my chest because I don’t want others to be or even feel trapped in that kind of way Anger, a natural human emotion and no actual flaw, that can’t be exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 03:54 PM
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Maybe in some fucked up sense but I think it’s more that you hating us is better than you not thinking of us at all Like the opposite of love is not hate but indifference and that’s what men are really afraid of from you and desperate to stave off The nightmare scenario for us is to grow old and alone in such a way that our corpse isn’t even found for days And to be sure, this sort of fear and fate befalls women too But I do think there’s envy, at least of the notion (if not actual reality), tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 03:51 PM
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Don’t you, on some level though? Like, most of the women I see in passing seem to hold in a ton of anger around gender, which necessarily means, at minimum, a disappointment in men I honestly think we are slowly rebuilding connections though Because you guys seem to hold in anger so much and, for a lot of men, it truthfully hurts to see Like, there’s some part of me that cherishes my own wife’s anger, even at me Because women literally hold all that in, in such a pressurized area, that you will …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 03:47 PM
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And that’s understandable but doesn’t portend a sustainable society
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 03:28 PM
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I lurk AskFeminists tbh and one post that really caught my eye was essentially “let’s grab men’s asses to get back at them for oppressing us”. And my honest reaction was… “okay please do” lol What am I getting at? I think more than “greater or lesser”, there’s a competition to normalize that which will help your sex. So something like “Me Too” engenders an opposition in many men because they feel like it’s essentially building in norms of physical distance when men have never felt more touch sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:30 PM
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That doesn’t invalidate the idea though
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 02:22 PM
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I do lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:04 PM
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Right??
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 06:09 PM
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It’s my maiden name
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:55 PM
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Yup
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:46 PM
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That’s basically just the summary of everything I’m saying lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:43 PM
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You will lose it And if you miss it when you could be hot, you miss it for good, generally Hell, money can at least be made back But never feeling the lust go your way and then turning 40 with a beer belly and bald head makes it something you can’t really ever turn back around Like the entire thing about hitting the wall at 30? Shit man, it’s the same for us, we’re no longer as attractive as we used to be, at least conventionally
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:39 PM
3

I can fix her!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:35 PM
2

Okay but I would totally be with Elizabeth Holmes or Amanda Knox all the same too and I’m a guy Dark psychology is hot as hell
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 04:52 PM
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Men often don’t want to form male friend groups because it feels kinda gay and that’s why they’re not more common Not everything has to do with women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 04:33 PM
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I mean that such things are probably more prevalent for women Just as women can rape men, I don’t mean to imply that women using men for sex never happens I simply use those examples because it seems like a larger issue for women, either in consequence, numbers, or both
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:59 PM
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“Women use men for sex” and “men should be envious of women because women can get laid so much more often” seems, at least a bit, contradictory
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:55 PM
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Namaste dude But I think you’ve lost the plot I’m not trying to argue the points, because I frankly agree with you I’m trying to trace out the roots of all this fighting And one conclusion I’m coming to is that many of these dudes going Red Pill want to be hated because it provides them with a sense of usefulness that they’re missing If you can draw out anger from people, there’s a use in that They want you to be mad at them because you (broader you) are afraid of being angry and providing a sou…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:52 PM
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I just think men are stuck on the “never been hugged and are dying for the most basic human connections” stage and women are all the way up on the “self actualization” stage That’s why you see so many men angry, floundering, and even lashing out at women Going to college, finding the perfect fit in relationships, chasing your dreams? All of that feels almost irrelevant because you’re missing much more foundational needs You are envious of the types of standards women can have because you’ve not …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:16 PM
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The only thing I might add to this is that I do think there is a certain envy in men that is hard to put your finger on or talk about And essentially, it’s a jealousy of physical attraction in the first place It’s difficult to talk about because, yes, the extremes of it that women face - from only being valued for ass all the way to rape… is much worse But that doesn’t mean that the polar opposite of women’s experiences, harrowing though they may be, is a fun thing either I’ll lurk on AskFeminis…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:55 PM
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Is it pathetic that such a thing is needed for us to hear? Because it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:16 PM
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Sure, I’m also terrified that it isn’t and you don’t care about how it is for men because you don’t experience it Maybe that’s not logical but it’s present anyhow
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:44 AM
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Because I’m terrified most of abandonment
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:16 AM
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When you turn it inside out, it kinda seems like you’re trying to rescue us from our own problems Because maybe some part of it is that you know how painful it is to e.g. be away from your kids for work or focus on using people for the sake of a company rather than to connect with other people honestly The male role may be more rewarded and recognized when done well but it’s also extremely cold and heartbreaking Because it’s painful to take all that on your shoulders too
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:03 AM
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I’m just trying to understand everything because it’s an endless cycle of pain between genders that seems unstoppable and I wish to put whatever tiny healing into it I can honestly Like I really think even many of the men that say hateful things about women don’t actually believe it but are terrified of accepting their pain because of getting hurt, insulted, humiliated, and even hit for doing so Like it’s fucked that men grow up more punished for kindness than for, at least mild, cruelty
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:57 PM
5

That’s terrifying, you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:52 PM
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Thank you That’s sorely needed to specify Even if it’s hard to believe in yourself I think men need a generation or two to detox from feeling bound to the wallet role Nothing ever happens overnight like that
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 09:17 PM
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Yes and you can’t give any answer, can you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 08:37 PM
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Of what use are men now for you (big picture “you”) beyond procreation? Do they have a welcomed spot in your life? Do they make your life better? Everywhere you look, the answer honestly seems to be none, no, and no. Your success has pretty much made us redundant because we feel like material providership was never power but equality and now you can do that for yourself and don’t need no man. You say so yourself; broader “you”. There isn’t as much of a legal disenfranchisement so much as a socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:56 PM
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What is there to solve?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:42 PM
1

Yes. I have no issue with that interpretation
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 06:41 PM
1

When did I say that? I’m saying don’t internalize the lashing out at you because the emotion beneath it is what’s actually coming out most of the time Is that better and clearer? I understand I may not be communicating it well - I’m not even being sarcastically belittling, it’s hard to describe because, again, a famine for women is a flood for men and vice versa due to the black and white roles our culture corners us into
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 04:40 PM
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Okay, to be more precise, you shouldn’t take everything people say to heart
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 04:32 PM
3

How is it delegitimizing to validate a feeling?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 04:28 PM
1

Isn’t that essentially what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 03:52 PM
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Yes, actually We don’t want an ugly bitchfest from an emotional breakdown being thrown at us 6 months later The best relationships I’ve ever seen are two people that trust each other’s inner selves and not their emotional breakdowns Men? Yes!! We often crave to be treated hysterical because the opposite extreme of never being able to falter emotionally is just as bad as being unheard and not listened to! It’s hard to conceptualize that the opposite gender can receive too much of something you’re…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 03:45 PM
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Why are you taking so much of what men say to heart? What if they don’t really even believe half the shit they say, they’re just letting pain go in toxic ways? In any event, I think we’re closer to just crying about it now than we’ve been because this circus we’re doing isn’t working regardless It’s not right to blame other people Ya didn’t do it Nobody did It just hurts them Pain doesn’t require fault
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 03:03 PM
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That’s actually 100% perfectly true Red Pill has latched onto these issues and created a dynamic where they can alienate women by co-opting very real issues in very toxic ways So it then boxes feminism into being opposed to the discussion of things like loneliness and despair in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 01:58 PM
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Why is anyone? Red Pill nimrods identify a problem and then shovel blame at women but then said problem becomes too toxic to even talk about elsewhere, which brings more toward Red Pill’s side because that’s the only place the problem is discussed, and around we go The cycle is what it is and opposition to Red Pill is best approached by taking the problems seriously and hating the blame No, it’s not women’s fault that men are having all sorts of issues But that the men complaining about it are b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 01:48 PM
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Yes, isn’t that part of their success though? That they’re gaining support by being the ones yelling about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:12 AM
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But if they’re sad and not using it to be red pill assholes, is that a problem? Is it easier to see “red pill asshole” than “human in pain”?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:54 AM
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Is there no difference between pushing back against Red Pill misogyny and pushing back against men being sad? You can’t have the former without the latter?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:45 AM
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Who expects women to fix anything Being empathetic isn’t a call to fix anything Can’t they just be sad and lonely, have that vented, and everybody move on?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:33 AM
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And part of the entire deal is that loving hurts Maybe men are less valuable than we used to be in the current climate but maybe that’s also the way it should be And maybe most of the value we previously had was just financial coercion and not connection Maybe there’s really been no change at its root and we’re terrified of being abandoned simply because that’s something you can do to us now
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 04:02 AM
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I honestly think most men crave the hermit life but it’s socially unacceptable To some degree, it’s like just wanting to be accepted enough to be overlooked The recluse thing is preferred We’re just wanting exile without all the exile lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:48 PM
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Vulnerability in men can be awkward because it can be rare But it’s also one of those risk/reward things If you’re never “face down, ass up” for a partner, you’re never really going to get to know them and you’ll spend years wasting your time on someone that’s a roommate at best Yes, vulnerability can be used against men but I think the extent of it is exaggerated and the risk of not being vulnerable is actually worse If a woman does get the ick from your vulnerability, at least you know Don’t s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 02:42 PM
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Women provide much more warmth, safety, and coziness
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 05:03 PM
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Both Sure, if a man is successful, you can argue that he’s valuable, maybe even valued more But in general, women can pull men regardless of success but men must be successful in order to pull women If half the male population is unlovable but 80% of the female population is suitable to men, then you’re going to have issues And that’s why, imo, the gender wars are where they are And until or unless we can both value each other along the same lines, men will continue to retreat into reactionary a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:40 PM
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/29871054_International_Preferences_in_Selecting_Mates_A_Study_of_37_Cultures Across cultures, women value financial success more It’s as close to a biological social trait as you can get It does seem to decrease in more egalitarian cultures But a poor or unemployed man is romantically dead Women will never, ever go for it While a poor or unemployed woman is not a dealbreaker for men and some prefer the homemaker thing anyhow
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:25 PM
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Why do we have to continue with an endlessly sociopathic view of men I can tell you - men see this in one way: all else equal, we are less valuable to you than you are to us It isn’t about being smart, having money, being successful intimidating men It’s that we see countless examples of women seeing men as a chore if we aren’t above them in those things Hypergamy, though I hate the incel red pill shit, is absolutely real Perhaps overstated, but it isn’t nonexistent
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:56 PM
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Men want to feel safe and protected too I think it’s largely the same as the reverse - wanting someone who can take care of you - either financially, emotionally, physically, or otherwise I don’t buy that there’s no gold digging with it - I think there is And, as with older man/younger women, there’s also plenty of cases where two people are just into each other Why would you not notice such a thing becoming more prevalent at the same time that female breadwinners are? Maybe we’re not all that d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 01:45 AM
3

Studies show that single women are happier than married ones
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 01:22 AM
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The main reason is that women are happier when single than men are That’s why they can afford to be pickier and why men are freaking out If we end up in a place where both genders hate each other, there’s going to be a much worse place for men, generally
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:37 PM
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Many good insights and I appreciate the empathy That being said, I don’t know that there’s any way to help men without fundamentally not needing women, particularly in the context of romantic or sexual relationships Men have to become okay, somehow, being single and alone And I’m really not sure how that happens, tbh I wish I had an easy answer Get a dog? Psychedelics? Become a hermit and embrace it all the way through? I have no idea
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:06 PM
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There’s really a litany of options - none of which are mutually exclusive Free college, student loan forgiveness, federal jobs guarantee, higher minimum wage
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:06 AM
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Well certainly, I just think that’s a good place to start. Boys are struggling mightily in school and it really effects the future
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:01 PM
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Well, first order of business would be making decent enough jobs available without going 100K into debt. At least enough to live on one’s own without breathing in toxic fumes. The rest? I think it would settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 04:10 PM
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On a certain level, sure. I don’t have an open door policy for serial killers. But excluding half the population because you think they’ll be too uptight about a joke is prejudicial. Literally. Pre-judgement. It leaves out the possibility that men can be butthurt about useless drivel and women could, possibly, not care! That happens in life. To be fair, same for women’s spaces. I’m not an absolutist, but I also think things should be fair and I’m not sure the proponents of male-only barbershops/…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 01:47 PM
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I don’t, personally. I just feel like anything that’s preemptively exclusionary is morally wrong. Why can’t a woman hang out with you? (Or a man, in the opposite scenario.)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 04:55 AM
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It hurts though 💔 All necessary things do
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:46 PM
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It’s okay to need women. It’s okay to need affection. It’s okay to need connection. Pretending that you have to be a strange werewolf that lives by himself makes your inner life so much worse. You end up being unable to evaluate your social life in a measured way. Accept that you need women. Then realize you can get a lot of mileage out of friendships and basic interactions. Without romantic and sexual relationships. Do that for a few months. Hell, studies show a new habit only takes about a mon…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:37 PM
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Yeah. I do too. They can be too afraid to scratch beneath the surface of the pain. It becomes some overly rationalized argument instead of like “please help me, I’m hurting inside”. So the conversation doesn’t go deeper and that depth is all I really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 02:14 AM
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That’s fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:47 AM
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None of its happening to me. I’m not navigating that period of my life anymore. I’m just trying to play some small part in healing it because I’ve got a couple of kids and don’t want them to grow up into the gender wars.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:38 AM
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You’re not doing it. Don’t blame urself. It’s just a vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:33 AM
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We all are lol It’s Reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:56 AM
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We spend all our lives having vulnerability beaten out of us. Parents, bullies, friends, teachers, partners, etc. Vulnerability is such a precious thing to you to where opening up in deeply emotional ways and then having it made fun of is like losing your virginity and having someone treat you like you’re a whore for it. At least that’s the best comparison I can think of that might make sense for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:04 AM
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It’s just a movement that appeals to emotion. The reason why they all drift to that is because it’s the perfect shield from any amount of emotional accountability on their part. They’re terrified of how they feel, being told it’s somebody else’s fault is easier to digest right now. But it’s poisonous over the long haul. Sunlight is the best disinfectant and these dudes need to just be real with how they feel about their lives instead of hurting other people over it or simply making them feel lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 06:36 PM
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It’s just emotions. People are just crying. It isn’t even a rational debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 05:01 PM
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The idea is just bullshit anyway. Men are terrified because we feel cornered and are lashing out. In reality, there’s a ton of men doing the gold digger thing and wanting the stability and care of older women. It’s fucking humiliating to feel like you’re broke and basically in the position of spreading your cheeks for the opposite sex - feminism, as hard as it is to accept, makes sense. MILFs and cougars and pegging and muscle mommies and oh my We’re not different. Not that much at all. I think …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 03:59 PM
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Eventually you guys are going to have to realize that, I reckon, half the posts on here are just personal tears about break ups and rejection couched in arguing. There’s not much to learn or teach here. Just a messy cry fest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 01:40 PM
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Where’s that Principal Skinner meme? “Do we treat women like shit way too often?” “No! It’s their fault!” Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 01:12 PM
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Can’t we just be depressed without it being their fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 06:04 AM
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We’re the princesses that need saving these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 05:55 AM
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Yes! But also my lack of basic self respect makes that type of shit turn me on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:23 PM
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Very interesting specific
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:15 PM
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lol source?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:13 PM
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Maybe they’re natural nurturers and it just pains them to see men be that lonely but they just don’t want to be beholden to sex slave status to help? Like, men are crying out for the most basic forms of human connection - a hug, a kind word, a door held open. And women are crying out for the most basic forms of independence - a job of their own, a place of their own, a life that has its own accomplishments beyond family or men. The cool thing is that there’s a yuge amount of space to help both. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 02:48 PM
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Yes. The tough love thing is way too often seen as beneficial
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 02:03 AM
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I’m not saying it’s needed. But some men do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:31 PM
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I’m saying, in a roundabout way, we’ll pay six figures for a hug.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:46 PM
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Yes. Because if they open up the Pandora’s Box of their emotions, it threatens women’s perception of their own social success because it would reveal that, deep down, a gigantic amount of the people around you are miserable. If, instead of couching their despair underneath all that bullshit, they came out and said “I fucking hate myself and feel like all the women around me view me as a rapist because, while I’m autistic and weird, I personally wouldn’t harm a fly. But the shit some other men do…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:04 PM
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Flair checks out…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:53 PM
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Women do this exact thing too…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:43 PM
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You can hold someone accountable without being a dick about it though. Often, the application of “tough love” just breeds resentment for the very direction in life that would otherwise be beneficial for someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:42 PM
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I get it. I’ll let you be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:56 AM
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Do you honestly think kindness just doesn’t matter to us? Do you really think we don’t care? Your reasoning is valid. Are our emotions? Please don’t tell me how I feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:45 AM
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Could it be that insecure men simply hide their insecurity in one place and insecure women in another?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:00 AM
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Yes. But why is it incompatible to say a society that prioritizes men more would have more women who hug them while also allowing for the fact that many simply won’t? How would said hug be meaningful at all if nobody ever could say no? Even in that society, it’s extremely important to have women who don’t do those things. Lest we get too spoiled.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:58 AM
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Insecure people are pulled towards partners who treat them how they think they deserve to be treated. That’s not gender specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:55 AM
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A society, not a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:52 AM
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Why do you need a good enough reason? I do and don’t do things all the time on the sole basis of “I want”. Why shouldn’t you be able to? Even if it makes men unhappy. Can’t you just make your own decisions and have us also cry about them without it being a battle over whose reality is real-er? You’re not my keeper. Why do you feel responsible for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:38 AM
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Probably because there are so many examples of us acting poorly and causing trauma overall. And that’s probably something you’ve experienced firsthand. I can’t count how many times I’ve heard from women in my own life of the mean shit we can do. And I’m sorry. If distance is justified to you, then it’s justified. It doesn’t even need to make sense to someone else. My dad was an angry asshole. Like 4 times when I was a kid. Never even laid a hand on me though. And yet I can’t stomach talking to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:37 AM
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Certainly, if someone has traumas that are triggered by men, I get that. There should be no shame in not being able to handle physical contact with somebody that reminds you of something harrowing from your past. I still think greater small connections across gender lines would help men. And help us see that we don’t need to obsess over you like so many do because you’re right there anyway. Regardless of immediate romantic success with women. I don’t know how to have that happen without it askin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:22 AM
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Yes, there’s a risk of that; it’s completely fair to worry about - it will happen. Most men find comfort much easier with women which makes it risky for women but that also means that there’s really not much needed to fundamentally help them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:09 AM
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It just feels better lol There’s no good reason for it. There’s just something more nurturing about it. I’m kind of envious of it in a way but I benefit from it too (and perpetuate it) when it comes around to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 01:51 AM
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Men overall would probably feel a bit less disregulated and be mildly kinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 01:46 AM
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Honestly, the more I think about it, the more it would probably just look like a happier bunch of people and not much else. A few hellos, hugs, and small acts of support here and there go a long way. The bigger issues be damned, most of us are just lonely and venting it. And the good thing about being lonely is that the bar to make you happy is pretty low.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:12 PM
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I simply think it’s okay to accept that we need women sometimes. I mean, some of my finest memories were of like a girl paying for my bagel in high school or giving me a hug after a weekend of my parents fighting. And this was like small shit that happened in 2008. And I never dated or got married to them. In hindsight though, shit like that also was all I actually needed. So I think you are right generally but it’s still okay to need women sometimes and in some small ways. You just don’t need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:55 PM
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The narrow implications on this subreddit that the only contexts of love that matter are sexual and romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:11 PM
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Sure. I just don’t like it being limited to narrow situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:05 PM
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That more people won’t die for their country than before doesn’t mean nobody would die for anything. Their countries just aren’t one of those things currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:04 PM
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Marketing scams are all built on stuff that exists though. Love is a natural and ever present thing, at least to a greater or lesser degree. That’s why it’s easy to use as a scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:03 PM
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Love doesn’t even have to be a partner for life. It’s such a big thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:02 PM
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War seems to be on the upswing lately, so I’m not sure I buy the example itself. There are periods of high and low romanticism throughout history. Maybe you’ll be stuck with one or the other and it won’t shift within your lifespan. But it isn’t as if culture is static. It’s constantly changing. And will be so long as people are around. Hell, even animals have cultures. They may not be as complicated as ours. But they adapt attitudes and behaviors over time, too. And then change again with the ci…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:01 PM
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Nah, the bigger issue is just that women and men have different holes in the connections we need from the other. Most men seem adrift because they’re in a place where all they want is a hug from a woman for now which society misleads them into believing six figures and abs is a prerequisite for. Meanwhile, women are in a spot where they want to share a life with a guy. We’re states away from each other and arguing over where to meet in the middle, in truth. The raw stories of men aren’t the brut…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 03:28 PM
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Princess treatment isn’t expected but certainly is preferred!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 03:22 PM
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Women initiating more would just make men feel better. We’re more empathetic than we give ourselves credit for and hearing how many women are afraid of men always makes you wonder about yourself. Because like, even though most of us don’t do anything to warrant it, you still don’t want women afraid of you regardless. And if they ask you out or pay on the first date or whatever, even doing some “chasing” at all, you feel seen because you are reassured she’s there and fully wants to be. Like most …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 08:37 PM
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Yes! And there’s nothing whatsoever being argued about the legal bullshit. Somebody can behave poorly without it meeting the requirements of fucking jail time! You can lose your job over all sorts of shit without it being a crime. These people are not special. This is not special. You’re being hysterical and arguing against a phantom point that no one is actually making.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 06:02 PM
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And it didn’t! But men can still be shit people on a rapey spectrum without TeCHniCALly meeting the legal definition of rape! You’re arguing that, essentially, unless you’re proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be a rapist, nobody can simply find you to be an awful person. That’s the real issue. You’re obsessed with the legal minutiae when the broader opinions of these people are on how we see them acting in public! Yeah, nobody can really prove that Kavanaugh raped Ford. But how he acted during …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:57 PM
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That rich dudes aren’t held accountable is not news.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:45 PM
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Fine. Better educate people on the justice system. Nobody is against that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 04:41 PM
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How would you do that, in practice? You’re trying to force a new norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 04:34 PM
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I think you’ll find that, if you really think about it and stop being hysterical, we’re on the same side here. Your principle of innocent until proven guilty IS a sacred one. But, be real, your underlying assumption that women are more likely to be liars and manipulative blinds you to the larger threats to your own principles. Men, particularly in power, are at least as likely to lie and cheat. A lot of them get there by doing so. If you want to open up defamation lawsuits this wide to where nob…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 04:31 PM
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How would you do it otherwise? You gonna hold the victim’s feet to the fire and not allow them to have due process? The least bad option is just having these situations settle in imperfectly. Courts have to be fair and rigorous in their judgements. But you’re expecting them to do shit that they really can’t do. How do you calculate reputation? What’s the reputational hit if we start going after ACCUSERS and financially ruining them over unproven allegations of defamation? How the hell do you pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 04:03 PM
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So the accusers don’t get due process and we’re all supposed to assume THEY are guilty of lying without due process??
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:58 PM
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How would you force it to count for anything beyond the court case itself? You can’t tell the public that they have to believe or disbelieve something! That’s what you’re going towards and it’s absurd. You’re so afraid and not being logical at all. Because the courts themselves have not held these guys responsible at all!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:50 PM
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So we need to force the public to love these people? Just as they are free to not be thrown in jail over allegations that aren’t adequately proven in court, everyone else is free to believe the allegations! Hell, Depp is even getting Amber Heard to pay HIM! AND he’s uncancelled!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:49 PM
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Who has actually been convicted other than those two????? The rest have had, at worst, a reputation hit and still have more money than God!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:44 PM
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lol when were they convicted??! Cosby and Weinstein are literally the exceptions! Everyone else that’s been accused has only had a reputation hit. They’re still going home to mansions and Ferraris anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:43 PM
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Oh no, a handful of no names couldn’t hold a rich guy accountable! That’s literally never happened in world history! Doesn’t mean he didn’t do it. And regardless, dude is fine. Still has his money and mansion. More than either of us will ever have.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:40 PM
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No, but rich people getting off without punishment is not proof of their innocence either. All they need is a good enough lawyer that can sow enough doubt in a jury. Doesn’t mean they didn’t do it; and in fact, the justice system is indeed set up in a (lower case C) conservative way. You have to prove a criminal case beyond a reasonable doubt. A poor person with a shitty lawyer accusing a rich person with a good one is already in the hole there. Doesn’t mean nobody ever gets punished for somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:37 PM
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Cool? He proved that TWO people lied??? Wow! You’re missing the forest for the trees here dude. It’s one thing to not want a dude that has one iffy allegation against them thrown in jail. It’s quite another when they’ve got 50 proven in court, against all the resources that filthy rich people have to get away with whatever they want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:27 PM
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Sure, all that shit is possible and probably more likely to be done to rich people because the type of person that would do that knows they aren’t going to get much from doing it to a cashier. But again, even if you use the absolute most generous assumption for the accused in these situations, what is the likelihood that fucking 50 people are ALL lying???
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:22 PM
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A rich person got off without being punished? WOW! 6 is also significantly different than 26 or 46 or 76.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:20 PM
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Yeah, as a man, there’s a lot of pressure to be good at the role of sex-er, but it is not as if women don’t have a ton of pressure to be good at the role of sex-ee (so to speak lol) The fact that men have a unique social pressure doesn’t mean women have it easy. Every time you feel a pressure as a man, there’s a corresponding one for women. You feel pressure to provide perfectly? She feels pressure to make a perfect home and raise perfect kids. You feel pressure on one side of sex? She feels it …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:17 PM
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Dude, there comes a point where the “women are lying gold diggers” argument is just not believable. When you’ve got like 50 accusers, even if 80% are lying, you still have 10 real rapes! How many rapes are we okay with here? What’s the number?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:10 PM
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Why are we mad at the random women on the street and not CEO’s though? Let’s face it. Work isn’t the only work. The economy is flawed because it was created by incredibly dumb people back in the day that only calculated one side of the equation and called it a day. As if the average person doesn’t have at least as much time occupied with other responsibilities - appointments, chores, cleaning, school closures, childcare, elder care, holidays and travel to see family, etc. Stuff that isn’t calcul…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 03:17 PM
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I agree with a lot of this but I think the reason why traditional marriage isn’t sustainable is because there’s no flexibility to the roles. If mom just isn’t the type to take care of the kids or dad doesn’t want to work 80 hour weeks, the entire idea of traditional marriage becomes your enemy. Whatever you can’t get from the rigidity of it eventually poisons the entire thing. Any tradition that is lasting must ironically be flexible enough to accommodate a wide variety of situations. Otherwise,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 01:52 AM
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Why the fuck would you not? How is it her fault that she suffered like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 06:34 AM
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Fair point
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 12:55 AM
1

You think the Taliban is comparable to Dobbs?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 12:23 AM
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I think the much bigger gap in empathy is one of wealth and geography. The Taliban aren’t even covered while Trump’s latest sexist word salad is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 03:37 PM
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Yeah, why not? Depends a bit but not that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 11:44 PM
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And? Maybe you like the act and jerk and get done with your business
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 09:58 PM
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Fantasizing involves a lot more
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 09:36 PM
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In the world lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:37 PM
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Nothing, sure. But people don’t belong?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:27 PM
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It isn’t about taking anything away, it’s about belonging
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:07 PM
1

Are the men who invented the system in the room with us?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:38 PM
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When did I say “equally bad”? I’m simply conveying an obstacle that feminism faces among men. We often do not feel like there’s a place for us in the world they seem to want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:35 PM
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Look at the way they act. Admittedly, this is a much more qualitative point. But there’s almost an orthodoxy to it. Go on any women’s subreddit. It is full of “men suck”, “dump him”, “men are just awful”, etc. I think the biggest criticism I’d have is simply that they apply a systemic lens to the issues faced by women and an individual responsibility one for men. And sustainably, we can only really pick one for everybody. Either everyone needs to be responsible or nobody does. In my opinion, why…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:30 PM
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Yup. It’s also not as if men’s behaviors aren’t socially sanctioned and perpetuated. Look at Luigi. Dude shoots a CEO and women love it. Sure, fuck CEO’s! But men observing that are still overall thinking “ah, so violence can get you love”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:23 PM
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Why does murder need to be the threshold here? As individuals, most men do not harm women either. But back to the original point - why lie to feminists instead of being honest about the way they come across? I want them to be successful, frankly. Because we suffer a lot at the hands of traditional gender roles too! But blowing smoke up their asses and bowing at their feet isn’t going to work anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:21 PM
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You said “committing or celebrating”. That second part is a valid point regarding some of the more extreme rhetoric on the feminist side of things. There’s also the simple reality that plenty of women hit and insult male partners all the time. It is never pursued nor counted because, simply, the physical threat and damage is generally less. But it isn’t as if women aren’t people, right? So why put them on some pedestal? Just because men commit violence does not mean women don’t think about it ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:18 PM
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You said “committing or celebrating”. That second part is a valid point regarding some of the more extreme rhetoric on the feminist side of things. There’s also the simple reality that plenty of women hit and insult male partners all the time. It is never pursued nor counted because, simply, the physical threat and damage is generally less. But it isn’t as if women aren’t people, right? So why put them on some pedestal? Just because men commit violence does not mean women don’t think about it ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:16 PM
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Sure, but if men never so much as vent their frustrations with their wives, how are either supposed to be on the same page? If my wife wants to do something, I too don’t often say no. But I make it a point to be like “okay, this is for you; this isn’t my thing”. Because your partner deserves to know where you actually stand and latent resentment built up over the years is terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:12 PM
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It doesn’t. How feminists act and come across does. For the sake of themselves, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:09 PM
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The stated belief of something can come off a lot different in practice. I think it’s fair to criticize how feminism comes across, regardless of what the original intent actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 03:45 PM
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Or just not having the confidence to put their foot down and stand their own ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 03:35 PM
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This is a lot of externalizing the problem of men not loving themselves enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 02:54 PM
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Plenty of them do though. Granted, it’s not enough. But it certainly exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:36 PM
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Yes, and I didn’t address that perspective of it because I take no issue with that side of things. Way more men should be into parenting because, hell, studies show single fathers having better outcomes than single mothers, as one example. We do really need to treat parenting and raising children as a priority for men because we’re, in fact, better at it. Not to say single moms aren’t putting in immense effort, but the results also are what they are and single moms aren’t, in the aggregate, actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 05:57 PM
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Nothings wrong but, from the perspective of a former kid in this situation, it easily severs the connection with your parents and turns you into a financial liability to your own parents. So I do think it should be reformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 05:22 PM
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The main problem with standards is turning human connection into an equation right off the bat. You’re already keeping score. Instead, just vibe around and go with it, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 05:11 PM
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The trick is just going for women that make more money. They’ll probably push for what they want more than you. And spending 80% of the money is fine if you’re making 80% of it. Men don’t really care. So just work like ten hours a week and tag along. No fights over consumption choices because it isn’t your money she’s spending. Fairer all around. That’s why I’m for the promotion of women and them making way more money. There’s a balance to it because I don’t think happy wife/happy life is going …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 05:05 PM
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Watching? No. Fantasizing about the person? Yeah. We just use porn to blow off some steam. Not fantasize.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 11:10 PM
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It’s not unreasonable to ask men to stop watching porn but it is unreasonable to expect them to comply with such a thing in addition to a litany of other personal preferences. A lot of women that are above average indignant about porn also want to determine where the couple lives, what car he drives, what food they get at the grocery store, how they spend money… If he can’t have me time in the tub, in addition to all of those things, then yes, it becomes unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 04:23 PM
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It doesn’t even matter. Switch “women” with “cars”. If men were obsessed with cars and navigated all their life around their car - making sure you had the perfect garage, making sure you lived in a climate that was perfect for your chosen car, making sure you picked a job that was the ideal commute, etc. - the same general thing would happen. Men losing the forest for the trees because we’re all too hyper focused on one thing at the expense of our broader selves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 02:04 PM
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Toxic masculinity is also an inherently attractive thing to mates. To a degree. Women don’t want to be treated like shit, but Luigi is the hottest guy of the last year.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 06:34 AM
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Most men didn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 06:26 AM
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Well, you inevitably can’t give someone what they want eternally. You can do everything right for any partner and they are still their own person. Respect for other people starts with respecting yourself. Too many people see narcissism and assume it’s all bad but it’s something of a bell curve - if you lose yourself so much into the opposite, you’re effectively living the same life as a narcissist by making martyrdom into your identity instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 03:47 AM
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Yup, that’s why trans people are so valuable nowadays to everyone else too They can speak of both experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 01:26 AM
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I think too many men aren’t selfish enough and spend far too much time constructing their lives around women. Put the women on the back burner and focus on yourself. Don’t lose your interests. Don’t lose what you’re good at. Don’t lose what makes you happy. Too often, we blame women for the simple fact that we lose any identity outside of them and the biggest problem in modern dating is that women are encouraged to pursue their own identity, values, goals, and talents first; men second. Men? The…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 12:50 AM
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It absolutely is and it’s wrong. Full stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 12:44 AM
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There’s no way to get a straight answer on this without people accounting for their own individuality. For some men, being a woman would be easier - some are really good at parenting, caregiving, and not so much at jobs. For some women, being a man would be easier - some are really career oriented and not at all nurturing. For others - the traditional thing makes sense because it’s their strengths being catered to. I think it’s impossible to have an objective view of this at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:17 PM
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There’s no way to get a straight answer on this without people accounting for their own individuality. For some men, being a woman would be easier - some are really good at parenting, caregiving, and not so much at jobs. For some women, being a man would be easier - some are really career oriented and not at all nurturing. For others - the traditional thing makes sense because it’s their thing. I think it’s impossible to have an objective view of this at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:15 PM
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Why would you prefer to be a woman then?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:09 PM
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I think most of it is envy of being loved for just being. Most men feel like they have to “do” in order to be lovable and, at least from their perspective, women can simply exist and be lovable. Maybe that’s incorrect because nobody can live the life of the opposite sex, either way. But that’s the perception many men have - women can be but men must do. And there’s a ton of miscommunication buried beneath shame and strategy. But overall, I think it’s the much more mundane perception that men mus…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:07 PM
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Dude if you have spent 350K just on dates in 17 years, you’re the mark lmao. Most women don’t expect much. A $5 Biggie Bag from Wendy’s can suffice. You’re just dating ones that expect ridiculous things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:00 PM
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Yup. 💯. And this is why modern feminism has hit a brick wall. Hell, if feminists simply admitted that the entire thing is about the advancement of women, period? That alone would be a huge step forward! Because all this bullshit about how they care about men and just want equality is so obviously disingenuous that it leads to men respecting women less. Like, sure, I’d love to not have to work, have women do everything, play Xbox all day, get my ass licked on demand, not do any chores, etc. But t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:04 PM
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Yes, some men have opposite experiences and preferences. Same for women. But generally and overall, I think the points do hold. And sure, everyone is different. Even moment to moment. There are obviously times when men want the opposite of the above and so do women. But I think most men and women would prefer the overall social dynamics above, even if it isn’t always what they’d prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 06:57 PM
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It’s often the opposite of what women need. Things like more physical contact, more open and forgiving social spaces, normalization of a greater degree of flirting and raunchy behavior, greater degree of quiet and solitude when tired, etc. And that’s why there’s no easy fix. What helps one often hurts the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 06:49 PM
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