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Aurelius-chfn09a/r/ExRedPill26/01/22 10:56 PM
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Not a leap at all. The point is simply that how you feel today is no guarantee of how you'll feel in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 10:02 AM

Maybe for now. But remember that every woman who eventually murdered her husband, at one time loved him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:48 PM
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So many of them are bitter and angry towards women. Especially if they're divorced. That's true. Divorced men are especially wary of making the same mistake all over again, which is why none of my divorced friends have much interest in even dating women. Personally, I think both sexes would be happier in the long term if we avoided each other entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 01:32 PM
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Those were revolutionary times. My guess would be that 1960's feminism followed the trajectory of the civil rights movement at the start of the decade. Their radicalism may have been inspired by other militant groups agitating for revolutionary change, including campus Marxists and other radical activists whose aim was the complete overthrowal of existing social norms, along with the demonization of those believed to hold all the power: old, straight white males. This was also only a few years b…
/r/MensRights10/12/23 04:12 PM
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But why do people consent to be "shamed" in the first place. It should be clear that shaming language has no intrinsic power at all; it derives its power only by the consent of those it targets. But why should I give them that power? Why lose a moment's sleep over what some random individuals say about me? In the various debate forums I've participated in, people only resort to shaming language when they can't defend their position. It's a declaration of intellectual bankruptcy, masquerading as …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 01:33 PM
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Quite the opposite, I wouldn't be interested in a woman that doesn't have a career. It sounds like the men whose opinions you refer to have been spending far too much time on Red Pill forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 02:16 PM
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I'm probably a generation older than most here, and I speak from experience. In all but a few cases, the men I've known have all had marriages end badly. The few exceptions that I'm aware of are ones in which both partners are deeply religious. Anyone who is now happily married will of course find it difficult to imagine his/her marriage ending that way, but you have to remember that everyone who is now divorced once thought the same thing, only to have that belief come suddenly crashing down or…
/r/ExRedPill03/07/23 11:46 PM
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I don't spend time in Red Pill forums, but I do remember looking in on them from time to time years ago, starting around 2016. What Red Pill philosophy sounded like back then, was just warning men of the pitfalls that await them after divorce, the necessity to protect your assets, etc. Basically the message was, don't get married, but if you must, make sure you go into it with your eyes wide open, because it will probably end badly. That just sounds like sound practical advice to me, and I saw v…
/r/ExRedPill03/07/23 10:28 PM
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The arguement is that the decision they both made for the (usually) mother to stay home and take care of the children permanently affects her professional prospects. Being out of a the job market, even for a couple of years, means that in comparison to your peers who did not take a break you would be at a disadvantage for promotions or salary negotiations. By virtue of of having less time in a professional pool. That doesn't explain why she's entitled to financial support for the remainder of he…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 06:34 PM
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That's my impression as well. Let's not forget the obvious fact that "dating coaches" provide this sort of content for a living. They derive profit from it. So whether they're conscious of it or not, they will tailor the message they're sending out to appeal to their audience in order to get more clicks and subscribers, even if the message is a bad one.
/r/ExRedPill03/07/23 12:11 PM
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Let me guess, your academic training was in Women's Studies?
/r/ExRedPill02/07/23 11:28 AM
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Are you sure that's the best strategy? I think it would be best if we all just rendered an opinion based on our own idiosyncratic definitions of "patriarchy", informed by personal bias and political/religious ideology.
/r/ExRedPill02/07/23 11:25 AM
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Part of the reason I left is because they became to radical and just straight depressing. They act like modern day feminists. Yeah, I used to hang out on MGTOW forums, but then the atmosphere there got really polluted with angry and bitter men. I'm sure their experiences gave them reason to be this way, but I don't need to be around that kind of negativity.
/r/ExRedPill01/07/23 11:35 PM
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It's not a subconscious belief when you act on it. You know perfectly well that's not true. We act on subconscious beliefs all the time. Exploring the hidden motives for what we do is what the field of psychology is all about. What would you call a woman who believes a wife's role is to accept abuse, being treated like property, and essentially be a servant to her husband with no free will of her own? But what Red Pill woman believes such things? It looks to me as if you've constructed a straw m…
/r/ExRedPill01/07/23 08:44 PM
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Unfalsifiable claims are propositions that can't be disproved. For example, I could claim that you subconsciously believe you're a poached egg. If you deny it, I'll just say that you're not aware of this belief because it's subconscious. It's no different when someone attempts to dismiss a belief as 'internalized misogyny'. Even if that claim were completely false, it's impossible to disprove it.
/r/ExRedPill01/07/23 08:09 PM
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True, advocating for something doesn't necessarily make it right. But you must realize that the charge of 'internalized misogyny' is an unfalsifiable claim.
/r/ExRedPill01/07/23 07:53 PM
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But if that's the case, why are there so many women advocating for Red Pill ideology?
/r/ExRedPill01/07/23 06:27 PM
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But is that "hatred and contempt" you mention typical of Red Pillers? If it is, I can't see why men like that would even want to marry, or why Red Pill women would want any part of their movement.
/r/ExRedPill01/07/23 06:25 PM
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Red Pill ideology is easily the worst possible ideology to have if you want to have a nice sustainable relationship that is healthy and happy for both partners. I think that's a bit of an overstatement. From what I've heard about Red Pill ideology, it doesn't seem to differ much from very traditional relationships where wives occupy subservient roles to their husbands. Those types of marriages had a pretty high success rate. Divorce was extremely rare, and kids grew up in healthy home environmen…
/r/ExRedPill01/07/23 01:23 PM
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In my case it would be absolute nonsense. I'm naturally competitive and driven to excel in the various things that have interested me in life, but none of my achievements had anything remotely to do women. If anything, they would have been an unwelcome distraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:17 PM
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Asexuality sound to me like the way to go. It's a shame we weren't all born like that, although if we live long enough we may eventually get there. A very old man once told me that losing interest in women was the best thing that ever happened to him, and that he regretted wasting so much of his youth 'chasing pussy' instead of doing something important.
/r/ExRedPill25/06/23 04:45 PM
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That is very strange. I've been a MGTOW for about 30 years now, and when I became aware that there was a female equivalent (WGTOW), I naturally assumed that my observations regarding the incompatibility of the sexes would pretty much align with theirs, and that WGTOW's and MGTOW's would be natural allies. Philosophically, there's nothing intrinsically anti-woman about MGTOW. The so called Red Pill community struck me very differently, however. There, there's an unstated assumption that women are…
/r/ExRedPill25/06/23 03:00 PM
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You should spend some time on the various reddit feminist forums. Anything you say there that departs from their chosen narrative will earn you an instant ban. Even women have experienced hostility for saying things (or even asking questions) which indicate that they're not fully on board with feminist orthodoxy, or worse, for being perceived as a man. For example, one woman mentioned the hostility she experienced on the 'Ask A Feminist' forum merely because she referred to her partner as her 'w…
/r/ExRedPill25/06/23 01:03 PM
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I’ve often compared men going their own way to feminism. How did you arrive at this conclusion? My understanding of MGTOW is that it's just the view that men in today's society should avoid marriage because it's a losing proposition for men. It sounds to me as if you're conflating MGTOW with some of the more extreme elements of Red Pill philosophy.
/r/ExRedPill25/06/23 12:48 PM
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There's absolutely nothing positive I can say about Andrew Tate, but I would never dream of placing him in the same category as Tate. The fact that I think Peterson is completely wrong in some cases is not a rational reason to reject out of hand anything and everything he says, or to view him as malevolent. The fact that you would describe his views as 'abhorrent' suggests that there's some emotional component that colors your judgment.
/r/ExRedPill25/06/23 12:36 PM
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Honestly, this sounds made up 😂. I've been in many feminism spaces over the course of my big age and I've never experienced anything close to this. I'm in a charitable mood today, so I'll assume for the sake of argument that you're being serious. Here's some reading material to get you up to speed: https://thoughtcatalog.com/jake-fillis/2014/05/23-quotes-from-feminists-that-will-make-you-rethink-feminism/ For more light reading on feminist misandry, I recommend Professor Suzanne Walter's article…
/r/ExRedPill25/06/23 10:15 AM
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Oh let's see now, how about the rabid misandry, the cult-like requirement to endorse certain doctrines without question, using victimhood (real or perceived) as a measure of moral rectitude. Those are just some of the most toxic features of feminism that come to mind.
/r/ExRedPill25/06/23 07:59 AM
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Logically, no. To assume that would require believing that at least some things feminists say are right. Besides, "not everything they say is wrong", isn't an argument; it's a statement, and a pretty empty one at that.
/r/ExRedPill25/06/23 07:43 AM
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>I’m south Asian. I grew up in India which isn’t that far from your roots in Indonesia. While I’m not East Asian, the culture is very similar across all of south to east Asia. Most Asian women are raised to be more conservative than their western counterparts. Social pressure and stigma plays a larger role in influencing behavior as you pointed out. The average Asian women would not be interested in talking to strangers on camera what type of man she finds attractive. Women who are comfortable t…
/r/ExRedPill10/06/23 07:03 PM
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That's disgusting. It should be against the law to post those kinds of images.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 06:25 PM
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I don't know how "plus size" is generally defined, but I would call the woman in the photograph "fat". I doubt a significant percentage of American men would find her attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 12:01 PM
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Normal women in Asia won’t be willing to give interviews on the type of men they find desirable. There is very much a selection bias here. Interviews aren’t data. They are untrustworthy anecdotes. What exactly do you know about "normal women in Asia". Are you Asian? Have you lived in Asia? My answer to both these questions is yes, and I don't think you know what you're talking about. So you agree with my hypothesis? This contradicts your claim of men’s height being relevant to attraction. Is it …
/r/ExRedPill10/06/23 11:50 AM
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With respect to your question about African men, definitely not. Asians will date/marry whites because whites are viewed as high status, but blacks are widely regarded as virtually sub-human. An Asian woman with a black husband would be considered trash there, and probably be disowned by her family. Your reasoning with respect to selection bias is ill considered. You haven't a shred of evidence that the women being interviewed were in any way biased simply because they were willing to answer an …
/r/ExRedPill09/06/23 09:44 PM
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"Tall" here refers to tall in absolute terms. Taller than women wouldn't make much sense since men typically are taller than women. "Dark" refers to dark hair, though I don't know why dark haired men were considered more attractive. I don't think the preference for tallness is limited to the West, but I'm not sure how widespread it is worldwide. I was born in Indonesia, and I recall both my mother and grandmother being quite proud of the fact that (because I'm half Caucasian) I was much taller t…
/r/ExRedPill09/06/23 03:25 PM
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Have you never seen the responses from panels of women who were asked this very question? Have you never been on a dating site where women list their preferences for things like income level, height, etc? If you had, you would know that height preference isn't just made up by red pillers. At a height of 6'-0", I'm two or three inches above the national average, yet I've had one woman tell me that I wasn't tall enough for her. She preferred men of 6'-4" or over (her last boyfriend was 6'-6"). I d…
/r/ExRedPill09/06/23 12:13 PM
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What a remarkably uninformed statement. Low birth rates are a disaster for many, many perfectly obvious reasons. Our social welfare system depends on a sufficient number of young people to replace those going into retirement. Seniors pay little to no taxes, while draining social security and Medicare. Fewer young people results in a drop in the tax revenues required to create and maintain our infrastructure. It means that that we're increasingly reliant on foreign workers because there aren't en…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 12:40 PM
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Well, I would say that any woman who can't be trusted around other men is not someone you should be with. If she cheats on you, you should be thankful that she's proven not to be the person you imagined. You will have lost nothing in that case because the person you loved only existed in your own mind, not in reality.
/r/ExRedPill27/05/23 01:53 PM
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As a man, I rarely have women hit on me in public spaces, but I can't recall a single time I was happy about getting that kind of attention. The worst instance when I was approached very aggressively by a woman in a furniture store. She wouldn't take no for an answer, and proceeded to follow me all over the place. Finally, I had no option but to leave the store. Unlike women, I never felt physically threatened by this person, but it was a very unpleasant experience nonetheless. I mentioned this …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 01:02 PM
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Expand on that. Do you fear for your safety around women? If so, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 02:08 PM

Have a look at the FBI's published violent crime statistics. You'll find excellent reasons there to be especially afraid of young black men. Most people mistake me for Hispanic, and I've become aware that this causes people to be more wary of me than if I looked like the typical white person. I can't really blame them, because when I see someone who looks like me, I also feel at greater risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 03:29 AM

Your conclusion doesn't follow from the premise. There are plenty of men larger and stronger than I am, yet I don't feel the least bit intimidated by them. If you routinely feel threatened in the presence of men, it isn't merely because they're larger and stronger than you are. Most likely, it's because you've been conditioned to have this emotional response.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 03:22 AM

I'm probably a generation older than most here, so I haven't had the sorts of experiences I hear about from young men, but I have seen some truly vile examples of misandry online, and in other forms of popular media. My own experiences with it would be limited to a couple of feminists at my first job who seemed to be looking for any reason to take offense at something a man had done. Even something as innocent as opening a door for one of them would be greeted, not with a simple 'thank you', but…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 03:04 AM
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Trust is a different question. I trust women even less than I trust men, but I don't have any concerns about my physical safety when it comes to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 02:51 AM
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If she was alone, I wouldn't be concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 09:58 PM
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Probably for the same reason men are wary of other men; because we have a well earned reputation for aggression and violence. When I see a group of young men loitering on the sidewalk, I cross the street to avoid them. When I see a strange man knocking on my door at night, I grab my pistol before opening the door. I happen to be slightly larger and stronger than the average man, but I'm not going to put myself at risk needlessly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 12:19 PM
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All three look average to me. Women of my generation weren't typically overweight however, so I would say that young women in the 1970's and 80's would be above average by today's standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:53 AM
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A number of years ago, I knew two women who were fascinated by serial killers. Through them I became aware that serial rapists/murderers like Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez actually had female fans who attended their trials and wrote love letters to both men in prison. The interviews of these women were rather chilling to watch. All they could talk about was how "handsome" and "charming" these men appeared to them, seemingly oblivious to the fact that they could easily have been among their victi…
/r/ExRedPill30/04/23 07:57 PM
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I can easily imagine what would cause some men to be attracted to this regressive philosophy, but what I find even more disturbing is the number of women who buy into it.
/r/ExRedPill30/04/23 04:53 PM
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Oh, I see. What you're describing sounds a lot like the bizarre and dysfunctional 'teachings' of 'Fresh & Fit' and other YouTubers. That's some very sick stuff they're preaching, no different from the misandrist garbage I see on feminist forums.
/r/ExRedPill30/04/23 03:41 PM
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What I'm wondering about is, what exactly defines Red Pill philosophy? What are its core "doctrines"? A lot of the stuff I see from alleged Red Pillers just sounds like MGTOW philosophy.
/r/ExRedPill30/04/23 01:45 PM
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But what does it mean to be "in" the Red Pill? Does leaving the Red Pill movement require a wholesale rejection of everything Red Pillers claim to believe, or can you concede that certain things they believe are true without being Red Pilled yourself?
/r/ExRedPill30/04/23 03:01 AM
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The question above starts with the assumption that people who adhere to red pill ideology know it's problematic. The implication is that this is why red pillers deliberately act to conceal it from others. Even if true, the conclusion doesn't follow from the premise. Let's ask ourselves what other sorts of reasons one might have to conceal his ideological commitments from others. Consider the case of a religious conservative living in a part of the country where such beliefs are unpopular. Wouldn…
/r/ExRedPill24/04/23 11:27 AM
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Why do you presume red pill men are hiding their views from women they're pursuing?
/r/ExRedPill24/04/23 09:26 AM
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Who says they're hiding it? Have you been on Youtube? Red pill men are quite vocal about their allegiance to this ideology.
/r/ExRedPill24/04/23 03:34 AM
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The church has a lot to answer for when it comes to the psychological damage that has been done to children. It would be interesting to see if this condition is as prevalent in cultures where these archaic religious views about sex are absent. It still surprises me that I've never heard about it before. I wonder now what else they left out of our sex ed classes.
/r/ExRedPill15/04/23 07:21 PM
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I see. I've never heard of such a thing. Is this contraction of the vaginal muscles something women can do voluntarily? I wonder if it's an ability that evolved in order to prevent unwanted sex.
/r/ExRedPill15/04/23 04:56 PM
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I've been a subscriber to her channel since watching her first video. She's the perfect antidote to the two types of Youtubers I can't abide: feminists and red-pillers. I'm still not sure what vaginismus is, though.
/r/ExRedPill15/04/23 09:48 AM
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IF, however, you mean is there some super secret drive specifically in women to dump perfectly kind and sweet people they are in love with to go and chase money, status, or hotness? No, that's a rejection cope. But there's nothing "secret" about it. There's a popular Youtuber named Karen Straugn who talked about this years ago. She reflected on the fact that even ugly men have no difficulty attracting hordes of women if they have money and fame. The examples she used were rock stars, one of whom…
/r/ExRedPill12/04/23 02:14 PM
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Almost certainly. I'm probably older than most here, and I remember the time when women typically didn't earn as much as their male counterparts, assuming they had jobs outside the home at all. Back then, it was commonplace for girls to be told by their mothers, "You can love a rich man just as easily as a poor one." There was also the phrase, "majoring in marriage", which referred to women who only attended college to find successful husbands. My paternal grandmother was likely one of them. She…
/r/ExRedPill12/04/23 01:03 PM

You weren't referring to any of that? Read your own post again. You claimed that I had made some silly statement that, "All the meaningful aspects of my life are sex based". You also suggested that I'd said, "You have nothing like a common interest or passion or any other thing that could facilitate a close friendship between you and a woman?" Pretty obviously I never said either of those things. Unless these are simply crude attempts to erect a straw man, I suggest you work on your reading comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 03:24 PM

I never said that there aren't cases in which members of the opposite sex have common interests. I also never said that "all of the meaningful aspects of life are sex based". Your objections haven't the slightest relevance to what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 03:07 PM

Interesting that you mention it. I was also on the high school chess team, and continued to play competitively into my mid 20's. Never once did I see a woman at any chess matches or as club members. I've had several women over the years ask me to teach them the game, but at a certain level they just lose interest. To your second point, I once made the mistake of going to the beach with my then girlfriend and several of her female friends. The entire time we were there, the only topics of convers…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 01:07 PM

It's not that men don't want to talk to women (or vice versa), it's that we don't want to talk to people we have very little in common with, and that tends to be members of the opposite sex. I've been on this earth for a long time, and I can recall only a handful of women I've been able to talk to on a meaningful level. One of them was my philosophy professor. But what made her and the others so interesting had nothing whatever to do with them being women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 12:38 PM
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This is what I've been saying for years. All we have to do is think back to the time before puberty. None of the boys in elementary school wanted anything to do with girls, and I assume the reverse was equally true. We loved to play sports and engage in other physically demanding activities, but girls couldn't do those things. Our interests didn't seem to align on any level, and that carried on into adulthood. Just take a look at the contents of women's magazines. What do we find there: fashion …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 12:27 PM
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I only became aware of RP philosophy recently, and after hearing a fair bit of it, I still have a difficult time believing it's anything more than theater. Some of the stuff is so extreme and ridiculous that it sounds like a parody of itself. I don't know a single man who subscribes to that kind of nonsense. RPer's strike me as fringe kooks, no different from those who believe lizard people are infiltrating our government. Get out of that sewer while there's still time. And stop frequenting femi…
/r/ExRedPill29/01/23 03:57 AM
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Do yourself a favor. If you want to be taken seriously, don't tell anyone that you're taking gender studies.
/r/ExRedPill20/01/23 12:47 PM
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Of course I can talk about how women compare to men physically. I've done lots of competitive activities with women, and that's how I know what they are and aren't capable of. It's a fact that physical standards have had to be lowered so that women can join the police force, be firefighters, and join the military. Look it up. I'm sorry that offends your delicate sensibilities, but the evolutionary processes that designed us don't care about your feelings.
/r/ExRedPill19/01/23 05:51 PM
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I think you're grossly underestimating the physical advantage men have over women. I'm just an average male physically, but there's not a single sport I've ever engaged in where my physical advantage didn't allow me to completely dominate my female competitors. Whether it was weight lifting, martial arts, running, cycling, kayak racing, or racquetball, no woman was any match for me. I don't know what your job was, but there are a number of jobs that women are simply not physically qualified to d…
/r/ExRedPill19/01/23 05:21 PM
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If your daily life consists doing nothing in the least physically challenging, then that would be true. But if your daily life includes competitive sports or performing any number of tasks requiring strength, you'll quickly see why having a female body puts you at a great disadvantage.
/r/ExRedPill19/01/23 01:46 PM
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As it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 09:54 PM
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Sorry, but that tangled knot of disconnected sentences isn't worthy of a fifth grader. Come back when you can make a coherent argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 07:58 PM
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In most parts of the world, we call women who expect to be paid for prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 04:42 PM
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You really should pay better attention. I never once said I expected them to pay for my dinner. That's absurd. If I were to invite a woman out, the first thing I would do is ask where she would like to go; I wouldn't presume to read her mind. Your whole argument is based on silly assumptions that no sensible person would make.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 04:39 PM
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Stop being deliberately obtuse. No one just picks a place out of thin air without so much as considering where the other person would prefer to eat. Why would you even make such silly assumptions? Oh yes, because you're defending a silly position.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 03:27 PM
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So you can offer nothing to support your empty claim other than to keep repeating it. Just as I thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 03:21 PM
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Really? And why should that be so? What you say above isn't an argument, it's simply an assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 02:36 PM

Women are generally regarded as untrustworthy worldwide, not just in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 01:56 PM
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What part of Germany are you from? I lived in Frankfurt, and I've even heard women from more conservative parts of Germany say that the custom of men paying for their meals is completely alien to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 01:53 PM
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I said central Europe. Central Europe doesn't include the UK. And it's not narcissism that compels women to think men owe them free meals, it's entitlement. I don't know where you get this ridiculous notion that inviting someone somewhere obligates you to cover their tab. I invite male friends to go places all the time, and vice versa. None of us think this means paying someone else's bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 01:17 PM
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I moved to the US from central Europe. Women there don't expect men to pick up the tab, because they think it's infantilizing. American women, especially the young ones, tend to be selfish entitled narcisists who think men owe them something merely for existing. Lots of gold digging whores here too, but they're pretty easy to ferret out once you know what you're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 12:41 PM
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I'm thinking purely in terms of the mechanics of sex. How does a man even manage to get and maintain an erection in response to a woman he finds physically repulsive? I couldn't do it even if someone offered me a million dollars, but apparently some men can. One of my neighbors is married to a hideously unattractive woman, yet they've had two children, so either his brain isn't registering how ugly she is, or he's managed to force himself somehow to endure the ordeal of having sex with her. I ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 10:59 AM
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I wouldn't say it's limited to this forum. It's well known that people often respond even to anonymous survey questions in a way that they think makes them look good, rather than giving answers that actually reflect what they believe. It's not a deliberate attempt to deceive, but something that operates on a subconscious level.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 10:34 AM
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What you described is literally impossible for me. I know several women who are really decent people and would probably make wonderful mates for the right guy, but unless I'm sexually attracted to a woman, there is just no way I could have any sort of romantic relationship with her. The opposite is equally true. I've known a number of women who were very sexually attractive to me at first, but the moment I discovered how terribly flawed they were in other areas, I completely lost interest in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 10:25 AM
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The objection of course will be that while you may firmly believe what you're saying, your conduct demonstrates otherwise. And this certainly isn't unique to women; men will also frequently say things about themselves that they believe to be true, but which are sharply at variance with their observed behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 09:33 AM
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But there does appear to be some truth to that claim. A while ago I had some heated exchanges with various other men on this forum concerning their claims that men would willingly sleep with women they themselves consider unattractive. I cannot conceive of how this can be true, but I also cannot see why the conversation would have gotten so heated unless those men were actually being truthful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 09:23 AM
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LOL I hope that was satire.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 01:40 PM
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So apparently, you're unaware of the existence of historians, philosophers, and artists. Perhaps you should have stayed in school a bit longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:21 AM
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That's an interesting comment about being well rounded. I haven't thought about it before, but it does seem to be the case that highly educated people tend not to be well rounded. I know a lot of people in the academic world, including members of my own family, and I can't think of even one that has developed any interests or hobbies outside their academic field. It's very strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 09:48 PM
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It's not so much the college degree that matters to me; it's whether they've exposed themselves to a wide variety of subjects, which generally denotes a high level of intellectual curiosity. The most frustrating thing about most of the women I've dated is that I can't talk to them about the things that interest me. It's not just that they don't have the educational background to carry on the conversation, it's that there's zero level of interest. You can't have meaningful relationships with peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:29 PM
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I would say it depends on two things: the school you attended, and your degree program. I work with a lot of engineers, all of whom possess advanced degrees. Yet as a group, I would say they are among the most poorly educated individuals I've ever met. It's not that they aren't intelligent; two of them are NASA engineers who possess IQ's well into the genius range. The problem is that they learned absolutely nothing outside their respective fields. If I were to engage any of them in conversation…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:08 PM
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It's actually even worse than you've described. Have a look at some of these beautiful Hollywood stars without all the layers of makeup and fakery they normally wear. It's shocking how unattractive they really are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 12:04 PM
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It's interesting how many women seem to be in complete denial about this. I know several in their early sixties who still think Mr. Right is going to come along any day now, and who won't give up their ridiculously high standards. I told them quite bluntly that it's never going to happen because their 'sell by' date expired thirty years ago. They simply will not accept the fact that not even an old man wants to fuck an old woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 03:59 AM
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Right on all points. When I attended my 35th high school reunion, I was struck by the fact that almost all the men I knew were either divorced, in the process of getting divorced, or wanted to be divorced. Not one of the divorced guys had any interest in dating again. When I look at women in my age group, it's easy to see why.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 03:51 AM
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Being older than most on this forum, I've had that experience many times. All the 'hot girls' from my high school and college days have aged so badly that I wish I hadn't seen them in later years. I suppose that if I'd married one of them, I wouldn't find them as repulsive as I do, but that's hard to say. People used to tell me that one day I'd regret not having married. In fact, I feel as though I dodged a bullet.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 03:46 AM
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You began by stating that you're a woman. You then go on to say that the person who related the falsehood was a man. What relevance would that have, unless you were implying that you wouldn't have had that experience if you were a man?
/r/MensRights24/12/22 06:29 PM
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Do you think your experience is somehow unique to women? Because I can assure you, it isn't. It's just that when it happens to men, we don't slap a special label on it.
/r/MensRights24/12/22 01:46 PM
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My first thought when I was introduced to the term "mansplaining" was, "Well, that's happened to me countless times". Yet I'm a man, so apparently it only becomes a special offense when experienced by women. Likewise, I've heard numerous women interns complaining that that their ideas are not taken seriously, that men talk over them at meetings, etc. Always, the interpretation is "It's because I'm a woman". I explain to them that what they experienced is what every young intern experiences. It's…
/r/MensRights24/12/22 01:39 PM
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It's definitely in my mother's DNA.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 02:49 PM
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Though I've seen a few exceptions, house cleaning just doesn't seem to be in men's DNA. We were designed for fighting and hunting dangerous prey, but that isn't of much use in modern societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 12:46 PM
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If the situation you've described is accurate, I would say your bf's parents did a poor job of raising him. Fortunately you were able to complete that task.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 11:41 AM
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But let's be honest for a moment. Most old men are gross. Not me, but I'm the rare exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 03:26 PM
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It sure works for me. Giving women less attention (actually, no attention at all) has certainly brought me greater happiness. I recommend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 01:14 PM
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But are women really the "fairer sex"? Let's be honest; most women aren't attractive. If we roughly divide people into three groups according to their physical appearance, only a fraction would be considered above average; the much larger percentage would be average or below average. So when we talk about women being the "fairer sex", we're really only talking about a small number of women, certainly nowhere near the majority. But what can we say about that small minority of women who actually a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 01:55 PM
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You must be confusing me with someone else. What I object to is the claim made by some here, that there are men who want to have sex with women they don't find sexually appealing. I don't believe that because it doesn't make sense. What it would mean is that some men want to have sex with women they don't want to have sex with, which is a contradiction. Sex is just the culmination of a process that begins with sexual attraction; without the former, the latter doesn't materialize. If you don't un…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 04:45 PM
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Of course there are ugly men who get no women. I'm also aware that there men who suffer from sexual perversions, like 'fat freaks' who are attracted to women any normal man would find repulsive. What I don't believe is that there are men who want to have sex with women they themselves find physically repulsive. That makes no sense at all, and nothing you've said has shown otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 04:36 PM
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Did you read the first of the only two responses to her post? Here it is, if you didn't: "I have not had sex with an ugly woman or man; the main requirement for me to keep an erection and to ejaculate is that the physical attributes of my sex partner must coincide with the images in my head." That's how normal people (man or woman) think: sexual attraction is a prerequisite to having sex. Without the former, the latter doesn't happen. The second response sounds like it comes from someone with a …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 04:32 PM
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Here's what you're not getting, and which your shoddy comparison to food failed to take into account. When I see a woman I want to have sex with, the REASON I want to have sex with her is because I find her physically attractive. If I don't find her physically attractive, then I don't want to have sex her. Why is this simple point so difficult for you to grasp? I'm guessing you must be quite young, because if you were to ask guys my age, they would tell you that the reason they're not having sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 04:19 PM
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Eating food is something we have no choice but to do if we want to stay alive. By contrast, having sex with women is something we can choose not to do without any resulting harm to us. Just as I choose not to eat raw liver, I choose not to have sex with women I don't find attractive. The idea that someone would want to have sex with a woman he finds downright unattractive makes even less sense. The whole reason you'd want to have sex with a particular women is BECAUSE you find her sexually appea…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:14 PM
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"I don't think you're understanding. Men have lower sexual attraction standards them women. So they are attracted to a broader range ( read, will fuck) of women than women. That's an innate fact." We were talking about men having sex with women they're NOT sexually attracted to, so your pointing out that some men may find relatively plain looking women sexually desirable is irrelevant. Give me an example of a man wanting to have sex with a woman he DOESN'T find sexually desirable, and you'll hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:04 PM
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It's not part of our hard-wiring, just an antiquated custom that has been pushed into well earned retirement. There have been numerous natural and man made disasters in recent history, ranging from hurricanes to fires in large buildings, and not once has anyone suggested that the women be evacuated first. Thanks to several millennia of scientific and technological advances (made entirely by men), the preservation of our species no longer requires women to have a dozen children in the hope that o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 01:08 PM
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So you're asking me to believe that men are so desperate for sex that they'll even sleep with women they're not sexually attracted to? That doesn't make sense. Do you seek out foods you don't like to eat? Do you buy clothes you don't want to wear? Sexual attraction is the reason men want to have sex with a woman. If the woman isn't sexually attractive to him, why on earth would he want to have sex with her? As for MGTOW, I can only assume you're too young to know better. One can be a MGTOW witho…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 01:06 AM
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I've never known any men like that. If the choice was to fuck an ugly woman or to be a virgin for life, I'd pick the latter any day.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 04:56 PM
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Are you saying that men find ugly women sexually desirable? That certainly doesn't describe the world I live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:03 PM
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Who are these men you're talking about that will settle for any woman? Even unattractive men don't want unattractive women; they'd rather remain single. There are lots of us MTOW's around who came to the conclusion long ago that modern women are so toxic that not even the prospect of sex makes them worth forming relationships with. Our lives are better without them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:01 PM
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I would argue that from a biological perspective, we don't need to save women first. That principle might have made sense in ancient times when the survival of our species was in doubt, but today we'd have no difficulty surviving even if women died at the same or greater rate than men. Once science has progressed to the point where women are no longer needed for breeding, it might be advantageous to produce only male humans, given that every sphere of human endeavor is dominated by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:54 PM
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What exactly is this 'intrinsic value' that you think all women have? It certainly isn't sexual desirability. Most women don't possess that, and are simply invisible to men as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:20 PM
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It's not 'women' in general who are sexually desired by men, just the small percentage of women who are physically attractive. No one looks at plain or downright unattractive women and thinks to himself, "If only I could have her". Unattractive women (that is, most women) have no options for monetizing their sex appeal; you can't sell what you don't have. Also, the writer seems to be misunderstanding what men mean when they complain that women have nothing to offer nowadays. We're not talking ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:14 PM
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Women have always behaved in this manner to some degree. Girls of my mother's generation were being told things by their mothers like, "You can love a rich man just as well as you can love a poor one". It was once commonplace for women to attend college simply as a means of landing a rich husband. It was called, "Majoring in marriage." One of my friends recalls how difficult it was to find a girlfriend in college while he was majoring in marine biology. That changed overnight when he changed his…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:28 PM
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I also don't recall seeing really trashy looking young women in either Holland or Germany, where I lived for a number years. By contrast, their American and British counterparts look like $20 whores. Ironically, these are the very same women who think they're entitled to "high value men".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 04:09 PM
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Roughly speaking, all the traditional qualities that make a lasting relationship desirable. What we have instead are spoiled, entitled, narcissists, who no sane person would want in his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 12:06 PM
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Sad but true. I've traveled around the world several times, living in four countries, and with the possible exception of Britain, nowhere else have I seen such low quality women who perversely seem to think they're God's gift to men. I've even heard women from other countries comment on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 11:56 AM
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I'm not sure about that. I knew a woman obsessed with tall men. Nothing below 6'-4", but her preference was for 6'-6". Needless to say, she had trouble finding any men that tall, but I did see pictures of a couple of her old boyfriends. They looked like giant mosquitos. There was nothing 'manly' about them, they were just tall and gangly. A lot of very tall guys look like that. Whatever the attraction to height is, I don't think it has anything to do with looking more masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:20 AM
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People don't have kids today because we know how to prevent pregnancy; our ancient ancestors didn't have that knowledge. When their natural impulses drove them to copulate, it wasn't with the intention to produce large numbers of children to ensure species survival; that was just the inevitable result. To assume that gay sex requires a rational explanation is to misunderstand how evolution works. Natural selection is a blind, purposeless process. There is no intention behind it. Since having a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 01:27 AM
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Whether people today want to have large numbers of children or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that our brains are running the same software our ancient ancestors' brains did, at a time when our species' survival depended on having as many children as possible, as soon as possible. The best strategy for achieving that is for men to copulate with young women who are at their reproductive peak, not with older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 10:35 PM
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Male actors wear makeup in public? It certainly doesn't look that way in candid photos of them. I think the only time these men wear makeup is when they're on set, doing their jobs. Women, on the other hand, seem to feel naked in public without it. I remember an online discussion with young women where the question posed to them was: "How long do you wait before letting your boyfriend see you without makeup?" I'm sure the other men watching the discussion were as surprised by this question as mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 10:26 PM
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Now, you backtracking. But, yes it's good to see you finally understand what skincare actually does. No, not backtracking, merely correcting the fatuous straw man you created. Furthermore, I think you're getting ahead of yourself. You've done nothing to demonstrate that skincare makes women appear younger. All you've done is offer empty assertions to that end, which is the equivalent of writing a check on an account in which you've made no deposit. So you looked around and that's all? That's you…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 06:59 PM
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Picking examples from the entertainment world is a bit tricky, because you have to keep in mind that established actresses and pop stars depend on their looks for career success, and they have the financial means to go to great lengths to make that happen. I've seen plenty of photos of 'beautiful' actresses without makeup, and the difference is so dramatic that in many cases I didn't even recognize them. Selma Hayak looks so plain without makeup that I doubt any men would give her a second look …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 06:42 PM
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It's not how nature designed us? Really? You do understand that the whole point of sex is to perpetuate our species, right? With that in mind, do you think it's mere coincidence that women's attractiveness to men rapidly diminishes at just the time when their fertility rates drop? Men on the other hand, can father children well into old age, so the same correlation between fertility and age isn't to be found there, at least not to anywhere near the same degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:13 PM
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There is, as you say, a difference between finding someone attractive according to classical standards of beauty and finding them sexually appealing, that's true. But allowing for that distinction, it's fairly common for young women to describe older stars like Rock Hudson, Clark Gable, Charleton Heston, etc., as 'handsome' without implying that they're sexually attracted to them. The same does not hold true for older women, as seen through the eyes of young men. This isn't something new, or par…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:04 PM
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When you hear older women being described as 'pretty', you would be well within your rights to suspect that these comments have only a tenuous connection to the truth. Much like when women with a weight problem are reassured by other women that they look slim. As for the difference between male and female beauty standards, think back to the days (not long ago) when male movie stars well into their 40's were paired with female stars ten to twenty years younger. That's because in every culture, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:46 PM
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Based on your comments, I can surmise one of two things: either you have an unusual talent for misinterpretation, or you're being deliberately obtuse. Nowhere did I imply that skincare products promise to make a 60 year old woman appear like a 20 year old woman. What they claim is that these products can preserve the appearance of being younger. One look around is all that's required to thoroughly eviscerate that claim: women do not look a day younger than their male counterparts of the same age…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:20 PM
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Let's get real for a moment. No one actually knows what those female celebrities you mention look like in reality. What you're seeing are the illusions of beauty produced by layers of expertly applied makeup, hair coloring, Botox, and in many cases, extensive plastic surgery. Ever see candid photos of famous female celebrities without makeup? It's a dreadful sight! Almost none of them are even mildly attractive, and some look positively hideous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 04:17 AM
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True, there is very little perceived difference in age between married couples where the husband and wife are roughly the same age. I once mentioned that as living proof that all those expensive skin care treatments women swear by do absolutely nothing to preserve the appearance of youth; wipe away all the makeup, and they look just as old as their husbands. The difference is that men can still be described as handsome well into their 60's, whereas women are already past their 'sell-by date' by …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 04:05 AM
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With very few exceptions, female beauty is dependent on youth. The moment those wrinkles begin to appear, their sex appeal goes off a cliff. For men, it's not that abrupt. I once had a co-worker who was well into his 40's, and had spent way too much time on the beach, making his skin look like that of a man at least a decade older. Nonetheless, the young women there (all in their 20's and early 30's) described him as very attractive. They actually liked the "weathered" look his skin had, which t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:58 AM
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Oh really? Feminists claim that misogyny is so pervasive that it even includes dirty jokes, wolf whistling, and assuming that women are not good at math. How many women have died from those things? How many women have actually been killed for no other reason than because they were hated as women? This is the sort of mindless, hysterical nonsense that passes for thought in feminist circles.
/r/MensRights10/10/22 06:14 PM
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The same still applies. A woman of high status would be inclined to look for a man of high status, simply because those are the men she would be most compatible with. Remember that being "high status" usually accompanies personal attributes like being goal oriented, having an above average intelligence, being hard working, and so on. A high school dropout who wins the lottery probably has none of those attributes, and so despite his (unearned) riches, would probably not be an attractive mate to …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 05:54 PM
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Nor should you be. Someone who is unattractive and doesn't take care of himself is not someone you would want to father your children, as they may inherit his negative traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 05:40 PM
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Here's my theory on why it's only trending only with women. I've been involved in countless debates over the years on just about every subject under the sun. What I've come to notice is that women (generally) are not motivated by a search for truth; instead, they think something must be true if believing it produces a positive feeling. I've tried to explain to them that how a belief makes you feel has nothing whatever to do with whether it happens to be true or false, but the point just never ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 05:36 PM
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Fat acceptance is all about self-delusion. People in this cult seem to think that if we can just teach men not to be repulsed by obesity, then suddenly every fat chick will be magically transformed into an attractive woman. It's like something out of a bad movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 05:10 PM
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Their focus on weight could be because we're now suffering from an obesity epidemic. I was raised in the 1970's, before women got fat. There were plenty of other things to find unattractive in women back then; it's just that obesity trumps everything else. If I see an obese woman, I'm so repulsed by her that I don't even bother to check to see if she had bad teeth, poor posture, bad hair, or any of the other unattractive features I might otherwise be inclined to look for.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:59 PM
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Oh absolutely. My father's parents both came from old money. As a result, both were educated and cultured people who would be perfectly at home in the high society circles they traveled in. They were people of taste, refinement, and sophistication. As such, they were a natural match for one another. That would not have been the case had my grandfather married a waitress, or my grandmother married a plumber.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:35 PM
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If you're talking about the characteristics that men tend to find sexually attractive in women, there's nothing shallow about it. The traits normally associated with physical beauty, like clear skin, facial symmetry, breast to hip ratio, etc., are indicators of a woman's genetic endowment and her capacity to produce healthy offspring. That goes for both sexes, by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:22 PM
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"Videogames" is a pretty broad category. Perhaps it has something to do with the types of video games on offer. I'm from the generation when videogames just started to become available, and even back then, most of them had something to do with combat. That's just not something women are into.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 08:35 AM
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If being an anti-feminist made me a misogynist, I would wear that badge proudly. But no, being an anti-feminist has nothing to do with misogyny; it merely describes one's rejection of a misandrist cult of victim-hood.
/r/MensRights27/09/22 01:06 PM
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I'm reminded of the first job I had, when I discovered that a recent hire with far less experience than me, was actually being paid more. The reason? He simply asked for more than I had when applying for the job. Armed with this knowledge, I asked for a raise and got it. Now there's nothing even slightly out of the ordinary about that scenario, but I'm certain that at least some of my female coworkers would instantly assume they were being paid less because of misogyny, had they been in my posit…
/r/MensRights07/09/22 12:33 PM
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I've already explained several times why what you claim to have "seen" is not a reliable indicator of what's actually the case. I see no point in repeating myself yet again.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:07 PM
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Right, but I was responding to the claim that false rape allegations are rare. The sober truth is that we have absolutely no way of determining how rare or how common false rape claims are, given the absence of evidence required to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:03 PM
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We know about false rape claims because police investigations concluded that no rape occurred. Men accused of rape have also been exonerated in court. Women sometimes come forward and admit they lied.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:51 PM
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You're just not paying attention to anything I've written, are you. You can only know what people choose to disclose to you, and if men are reluctant to admit to being victims, they're obviously going to be unwilling to talk to you about it. Women, on the other hand, are incentivized to make themselves out to be victims. That means they'll be inclined to present themselves to you that way, even when they aren't. In short, what you claim to have heard or not heard is not evidence of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 06:00 PM
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That depends entirely on what you're referring to. These days, 'sexual assault' could simply mean inappropriate touching. That's hardly trauma inducing. You're also ignoring what I said earlier; that women move up the oppression ladder if they report feeling victimized in some way. In this way, women are incentivized to present as victims even when they aren't. For men it's just the opposite, which is why men don't talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 05:19 PM
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Two points. First, women have no reluctance about portraying themselves as victims. To the contrary, victimhood has become a form of currency for them; in feminist circles, it enhances their social standing. For men, it's quite the opposite. Men regard victimhood as weakness, something to be despised. Even when men are victims, they are understandably reluctant to talk about being victims. Second, you're ignoring the point I made in my first response. Complaining about being harassed is hardly t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:09 PM
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One reason we rarely hear about false rape accusations is because no one likes to bring up the fact that they've been accused of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:18 PM
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But the fact that you've never seen it happen doesn't for a moment suggest that none of these women are capable of it, right? Not being important won't insulate you from a false rape accusation; it merely diminishes your chances. I've known at least two ordinary men who were falsely accused of rape after breaking up with their girlfriends. It didn't matter to these women that these guys weren't wealthy or powerful. All that mattered to them was getting revenge for being dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:05 PM
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You should have a closer look at those FBI statistics. What they actually refer to is not false rape accusations in general, but only rape accusations that were proven false. Obviously there are more false allegations of rape than that small percentage, but we simply cannot know the true number. Rape is unlike ordinary crimes because it refers to an act that would in every other circumstance be perfectly legal; the only thing that makes an act of sexual intercourse a crime is the state of mind o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:42 PM
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First of all, how could you possibly predict whether any of the women you've worked with would make a false accusation of that sort? Is it something about their eyes? Perhaps the style of shoes they prefer? If only I had a dollar for every person I've heard say, "I never imagined my husband/wife was capable of that." As for multiple accusers, their added credibility would depend on a number of factors, one of which being that they haven't colluded with one another, as was a the case with a Canad…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:11 PM
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And what is your evidence of that? You don't have any. You don't know the first thing about these cases. Hurling childish insults seems to be your only 'contribution' to this subject. You don't merit another second of anyone's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:37 PM
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How did you arrive at the conclusion that false allegations of rape are as rare as false allegations of other crimes? How could one possible deduce that, given the difficulty of proving that a false rape allegation is actually false? If two people have consensual sex, and the woman later accuses the man of rape, how could her claim be disproved? Suppose there was never any sex at all, yet a false allegation was nevertheless made. How would that allegation be proven false? Rape is unlike other cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:11 PM
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Whether accusers are 'believed' is irrelevant; what's relevant is whether there is sufficient evidence to secure a conviction in a court of law. Rape is perhaps unique among crimes in that it describes an act that would in every other scenario be perfectly legal. There is no such thing as consensual robbery or consensual murder, but there is such a thing as consensual sex. So to prove that a crime was committed requires more than merely proving that sex occurred; it requires also establishing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 12:45 PM
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I've never known anyone who was killed in the parking lot of a shopping center (or anywhere else, for that matter), but in my rather small circle of friends and acquaintances are two men who were falsely accused of rape. I seriously doubt that your claims about the rarity of such occurrences will be of any consolation to you, should you ever fall victim to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 12:35 PM
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Decades ago when I was filling out college applications, I was advised to check the box next to "Asian" on all the application forms, since that would enhance my chance of being accepted. I'm half Asian, so I could have done that, but I consider race based preference to be utterly despicable, so I refused. Strange that today, checking the box next to "Asian" would actually have hurt my chances.
/r/MensRights01/09/22 12:08 PM
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I can't really say I "fear" being called creepy, but it is annoying at times to have your activities curtailed because you will be perceived as a threat. I remember being in London a number of years ago and spotting a beautiful old building that I wanted to photograph. As I approached the building and got my camera ready, my British friend warned me, "That's a girl's school, mate. If someone sees a couple of men walking around the campus with cameras, they're going to call the police."
/r/MensRights18/06/22 09:56 AM
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Most people who trot out the term "misogynist" don't know, or don't care, what it means. The goal is simply to make the accuser seem like they're in the morally superior position. The correct response is to never apologize, and to put the onus on your accuser to justify the charge of misogyny.
/r/MensRights16/06/22 01:07 PM
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I've lost count of the number of times that I've been told, presumably by well-meaning individuals, that feminism isn't about victimhood and man-hating. But I've been following the postings on the r/Feminism subreddit for almost a year, and I've seen nothing there but feminists doing everything in their power to paint women as victims of men, and justifying their hatred of men as an entirely understandable response to centuries of oppression. Just today, there's a new thread there claiming that …
/r/MensRights28/05/22 12:32 PM
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We've already gone over this. Believing the accuser doesn't literally mean that the investigator has predetermined guilt on the part of the accused; it means that he should proceed with the investigation irrespective of any doubts he may have at the outset about the veracity of the complaint. That's what the police are supposed do in any case that comes before them, but that's sometimes not what happens, and therein lies the problem. The legal principle referred to as the "presumption of innocen…
/r/MensRights27/05/22 09:21 PM
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The presumption of innocence is a principle that applies only in a court of law. It has nothing to do with the manner in which police investigate reported crimes.
/r/MensRights27/05/22 11:54 AM
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"In my opinion it would have been better to say that the investigator should act as if the accuser COULD be telling the truth not IS telling the truth." Yes, one could say it that way, but my purpose was to explain what people actually mean when they say, "Believe all women." The point they're trying to make is that all too often, women are automatically disbelieved. Whether that's true or not, I'm not able to say, but that is nevertheless why they worded the slogan the way they did.
/r/MensRights26/05/22 05:14 PM
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Pay a little closer attention to what I wrote. I did not say that the investigator should hold a personal conviction that the accuser is telling the truth, I said that he should act as if the accuser is telling the truth. Do you understand the difference? Yes, investigators should always be unbiased, but given human nature, that's not a realistic expectation. The most we can expect is that he conduct the investigation in such a way that personal bias, if it exists, will not determine his conclus…
/r/MensRights26/05/22 02:38 PM
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No, you're clearly misunderstanding what I wrote. By "acting as if the accuser is telling the truth", I mean that the investigator should check the allegations without the presumption that the accuser is lying. This is after all, what we all expect when reporting a crime. If I report that my car was stolen, I expect that the police will believe what I've just told them. That's a perfectly reasonable expectation for me to have, because false reports of car theft are very rare. What's not so rare …
/r/MensRights26/05/22 01:38 PM
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"...if everyone knew it was true or acted like it was true then there would be no reason to investigate to see rather it's true or not. Nice try though." I can't make any sense of what you're saying here. First, I never said "if everyone knew it was true". How could everyone know that? The reason to investigate is so that we can determine what the truth is; we obviously con't determine that in advance. "If that's the case then they clearly gave it the wrong name. Instead they should have called …
/r/MensRights26/05/22 12:03 PM
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I think one can guess where my sympathies lie from simply being on this forum, but it's important that we not engage in straw man arguments. "Believe all Women" doesn't literally mean that any claim a female accuser makes ought to be assumed true (and by extension, that any man she accuses must be assumed to be lying). What it means is that claims of domestic abuse, rape, etc., should be investigated as if it were true, rather than dismissed out of hand. This is not an unreasonable standard; it'…
/r/MensRights25/05/22 11:59 AM
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I don't know what 'cause' 2nd Wave feminists had. Their claim that their goal was only to achieve equality is so patently false as to be laughable.
/r/MensRights27/04/22 04:45 PM
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Please identify the passage in my post in which I stated that "everything was cool for women in the 1970's." I said nothing of the sort. The point I made was that 2nd Wave feminists hated men as a class just as much as 3rd wave feminists do. Misandry has always been at the core of the feminist movement; it's no different today than it was decades ago.
/r/MensRights27/04/22 01:26 PM
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That statement tells me that you weren't around during the 2nd wave feminist movement. I remember very well listening to radio broadcasts in the early 70's featuring leading feminists describing men as , pigs, dogs, and neanderthals. Misandry was on full display in popular feminist rhetoric from the very start. I remember a particularly obnoxious feminist appearing on the Phil Donahue show spouting such utter lunacy that even poor leftist Phil was left speechless. What fringe kook feminists were…
/r/MensRights25/04/22 12:12 PM
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If only there was a reliable method for detecting crazy women. By the time you discover that about them, it's usually too late.
/r/MensRights06/04/22 03:05 PM
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Unfortunately that won't protect you against a false rape charge.
/r/MensRights06/04/22 12:41 PM
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A somewhat milder form of this thinking can be found in various YouTube and TickTock videos in which women argue that men should pay for dates because it's only women who have to endure pregnancy, or because women have to spend a lot of money on makeup and clothing to look good. Yes, there are actually women out there making these sorts of ludicrous arguments.
/r/MensRights06/04/22 12:39 PM
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Well, that certainly hasn't been my experience. I recall the time I made the mistake of going to the beach with my then girlfriend and several of her female friends. The topics of conversation were: Awful ex-boyfriends. Movies that made them cry. Celebrity gossip. After what seemed like an eternity of listening to this vacuous nonsense, desperation drove me to faking an illness just to get out of there. Years later, I learned what it was like to be on the other side of such a conversation while …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 02:25 PM
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I get the impression that red pill men have been burned once too often by women in the past, so they've concluded that the only thing of value that a woman provides is sex.
/r/ExRedPill11/02/22 03:50 AM
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For some reason I keep getting notifications about recent postings in the MensLib forum. Most of them look like the sort of unhinged man hating rhetoric I find on feminist forums, yet they're written by men (apparently).
/r/MensRights10/02/22 04:11 PM
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That [prenups] can get thrown out in court very easily. The gamble isn’t worth the risk in the legal sense. True. An old friend has spent almost two years preparing the legal groundwork for his divorce. He's an experienced attorney, so he knows what has to be done to protect his assets from his soon to be ex-wife. He would be the first to tell you that prenups aren't worth the paper they're written on.
/r/ExRedPill10/02/22 03:51 PM
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This adds a whole new dimension to the phrase, 'toxic femininity'.
/r/MensRights07/02/22 09:45 AM
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It may have a lot to do with personality traits. Women are generally risk averse compared to men. They want someone to look out for their interests and take care of them in bad times. Married conservative women already have that safety net in the form of a husband and family they can count on. Unmarried women do not, hence the desire for a proxy-husband and family in the form of a socialist welfare state.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 10:49 PM
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Are you still here? A better use of your time would be being in the kitchen, making me a sandwich.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 01:40 PM
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You've exhausted my patience. I don't know what it is you do in life, but evidently it doesn't involve being able to comprehend what's on the screen in front of you, or to follow an argument. Goodbye.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:37 PM
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So when men test better it’s because they are inherently, biologically more intelligent, but when women test better social factors are at play? Ok lol Are you being deliberately obtuse? IQ distribution and the proportion of men to women attending college are entirely different and unrelated subjects. And by the way, nowhere did I say that men are 'biologically more intelligent'. What I did say is that studies on IQ show a greater divergence of intelligence among males than among females: more me…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:30 PM
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So, whats ur point? That men and women are equally fucked up. Yeah, i agree. My point is that you've been dishonest in your presentation of the facts from the very beginning, and your remarks concerning suicide are only the latest example of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:24 PM
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My point is that we cant know 5hat for sure. We cant know for sure there are more brilliant men than women, bc men and women arent treated the same. They dont get the same support from the society and parents, and that makes a big difference on the development of iq. Ah yes, whenever women don't perform at the same level as men, the excuse will be that it's because women are oppressed. So if it's because of oppression that men outperform women at the upper ranges of IQ, what's the explanation fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:20 PM
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Yes, you can always cherry pick whichever study seems to confirm what you want to believe. That gets us nowhere. The study I quoted considers evidence from a multitude of different studies, some deemed more reliable than others: 'The second paper, Lynn, R., & Irwing, P. (2004), is based on the Raven Progressive Matrices. The Ravens tests are considered the most pure measure of g (the general factor of intelligence). That is, they have very little contamination of the measurement of general intel…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 11:54 AM
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In fact, men report twice as much depression, and men commit twice more suicides. So whose mentally unstable again. Given your poor comprehension and willful misrepresentation of the article you posted, it's getting increasingly difficult to take any of your claims seriously. Men commit twice as many suicides? Read the studies with a bit more honesty next time. What they show is that women attempt suicide three times as often as men. Men more often succeed than women because they're simply bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 11:14 AM
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And a very small select few men in history were great thinkers and planners many more were soldiers who died in battle and physical laborers who couldn’t read or write. Taking a very few select men (literally 1-2% tops) as representatives of men in general and their intellectual capacities is completely bad science to say the least. Good grief. Your reading comprehension seems to be as poor as that of Psychologyexplore02. Nowhere did I make the claim you attribute to me. We literally know for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:56 AM
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Women arent mentally unstable. Emotional doesnt mean mentally unstable. Once again, you're not paying attention. The very article you cite states unequivocally that examples of mental instability such as anxiety, depression, and eating disorders are much more commonly found in women than in men. #bitchesbecrazy I'm afraid the rest of your post is either beside the point, or looks like you're just lashing out in anger. In either case, it's not worth my time to respond to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:45 AM
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150 is the limit for genius lvl. Thats where genius intelect starts. Not on the tests I've taken. My best result was 155, which was 5 points below genius. Other IQ tests rank things slightly differently. 130 iq and above is top 2%. U re obviously not aware how rare intelligence is. I'm beginning to realize how rare it is, yes. But u re acting like men are so much smarter than women. That's not what I said. Go back and read my original response. I made it plain that while IQ scores between the ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:37 AM
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Not at all. I asked her why she hated working with women, and she explained it this way. She said that when men come to her office to complain about some problem they're having at work, she would sit down calmly with them, figure out exactly what the problem was, and then suggest a solution. If the solution she proposed didn't work, they would sit down once again and try to come up with something else. But when a female subordinate came to complain about something, she would simply sit in the ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 12:03 AM
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That is not true. Bc tehre arent that much more men. A few. But not that much. Also u seem to only be talking about the 0.0001% of people. Where did you get that idea? There's a very significant difference in IQ between men and women in the upper ranges. Even in the 130-150 IQ range, which is still well below genius, there are 2.5 men for every one woman. https://new-iq-test.com/iq-by-gender.html If we consider only an IQ of 130, which is the Mensa cutoff, the difference between men and women in…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:22 PM
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I think it would be useful if we were to have a closer look at the article you base your opinions on. It doesn't say what you think it does: "The brains of women in the study were significantly more active in many more areas of the brain than men, especially in the prefrontal cortex, involved with focus and impulse control, and the limbic or emotional areas of the brain, involved with mood and anxiety." There's nothing here suggesting that women "think more", which is what you claimed. We do kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:41 PM
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Im telling u this is backed by science. U can claim ur experience it true, but science is way more objective. Except when it isn't. Look, you're obviously not a scientist, so don't take what I'm about to say personally, but you appear to be completely unaware that any claim scientists make is built on presuppositions that are not scientific. All science, for example, is founded on the belief that the world around us operates according to rational principles that are accessible to human understan…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:23 PM
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Intelligence is a measurable thing. I'll just repeat what I pointed out previously. There are cognitive processes that have been described as types of intelligence, but for which no tests have been devised. IQ tests cannot determine artistic talent in its many and varied forms, it cannot test for creativity or originality, it cannot determine one's talent for language acquisition, it cannot test for emotional intelligence, etc. Until and unless we have a universally accepted criteria for what ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:05 PM
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Women think things through more. They are in fact more logical. That's certainly not been my experience working in large offices with men and women for the past 35 years. I would say, along with some of my female colleagues, that precisely the opposite is true. Two of my female superiors absolutely detested working with other women, precisely because of their tendency to act irrationally and unprofessionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:37 PM
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Women and men are equally intelligent. Tehre s no doubt about that. Not to be pedantic, but you're assuming that 'intelligence' is something that is clearly defined and understood. In fact, this is far from the case. There are cognitive processes that could count as a type of intelligence, but which would be very difficult or impossible to test for; creativity, being perhaps the most obvious example. It's also highly deceptive to say that women and men are equally intelligent. Even something as …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:52 PM
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But the fact that some silly 19th century assumptions about gender have been discredited does nothing to show that biology doesn't in fact play a significant role in determining our behavior. At best, it shows that some ideas popularly subscribed to over a century ago were mistaken, just as we might expect. The core of these different pill ideologies seems to mostly boil down to whether you believe in biological or socialized theories about gender. This strikes me as a false dichotomy. Believing…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:17 PM
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All of these are excellent precautions that any woman should be using. The only thing I would add to your list is to have some of your friends present wherever you arrange to meet your date. Make sure to introduce them to him, so that he'll know that you have friends who are aware of your plans and who can identify him if anything does happen. As you said, it harms no one if the threat doesn't materialize, but it can be a life saver if it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 11:47 PM
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I may be in the minority, but when I was a young man, my life plan was to find 'the one' and settle down, not to sleep with as many women as possible. Perhaps part of the reason so many men do sleep around is because there are so few women that anyone would want to be in a long term committed relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 04:14 PM
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Feminism has never been about equality. Expand the draft to include women? Feminists opposed it. Equal treatment in divorce and child custody cases? Feminists opposed it. Equal sentencing guidelines for the same crime? Feminists opposed it (some even suggest that custodial sentencing should only apply to men). Take any social issue where the injustice favors women, and you can count on feminists to endorse it.
/r/MensRights02/02/22 01:19 PM
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If you remember what the letters in MILF stand for, there's nothing surprising about that. A MILF could still be a young woman. Being attracted to younger women isn't a 'fetish', by the way, it's the way nature has made us. Why would we be attracted to older women who are at or near the end of their child bearing capacity? From an evolutionary perspective, it makes no sense. Similarly, being attracted to beautiful women isn't a fetish. Physical beauty and youth are indicators of good genetics an…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 05:56 PM
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Yes, attractive older men are rare, but attractive older women are non-existent. Older Hollywood actresses have had massive amount of cosmetic surgery and are in addition hiding underneath layers of makeup. Older men like me, on the other hand, retained our natural beauty without the need for any of that fakery. Take a look at the Wikipedia article showing how many old men have had kids. The oldest was 101, while the rest were in their 90's. Let's see a woman manage that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 04:14 PM
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You're not very good at following an argument, are you.
/r/MensRights31/01/22 03:23 PM
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Brilliant. By your logic, no woman who hasn't been raped should be concerned about it happening.
/r/MensRights31/01/22 02:53 PM
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Temple State University did a study on this back in 1995, if I recall correctly. No one was particularly surprised to find that a pretty woman had a much easier time in life, but what was surprising was that attractive men are aslo treated better, not just by women, but also by other men. The study involved a mock job interview featuring an average looking man and a very attractive man. In each case the interviewer was a male. In every case, the attractive man won out, and when the men who condu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 12:30 PM
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Divorce statistics can be very deceptive. All they provide is a snap-shot of what is true at present. Many people who are not presently divorced, eventually will be. Thirty years ago, most of the men I knew in my graduating class would report being happily married. Today, almost all of them are divorced.
/r/MensRights31/01/22 10:28 AM
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No one said anything about 'assumptions'. The question was about how to prevent or handle rape allegations that actually ARE false.
/r/MensRights31/01/22 10:04 AM
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This happened to a friend of mine years ago. Not long after breaking up with his crazy girlfriend, she began stalking him, messaging all the women in his social circle that he had AIDS, and shouting obscenities at him on his front lawn at 4:00 in the morning. When none of that worked, she accused him of having raped her. It was only because she had established a reputation of being mentally unstable that her accusation didn't go far. Since then, he's had to take the precaution of putting hidden …
/r/MensRights31/01/22 09:54 AM
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Not at all. Men can father children long after women of the same age can no longer conceive. A man in his 70's can still be considered handsome, but women's attractiveness starts to drop sharply once they hit their 30's.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 09:41 AM
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Yes, but I believe FilmStew was talking about women. For women, physical attractiveness is directly linked to fertility, and fertility is directly linked to youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 02:37 AM
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No, I don't like large breasts, period. I prefer normal looking women, not ones with body parts that look out of proportion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 10:08 PM
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I don't have any preference, as long as they're not large. The problem with large breasts is that when a woman isn't wearing a bra, they don't hold their shape and flop around like plastic bags filled with water. It's just not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 09:33 PM
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Sorry, I didn't know how bra sizes are measured. Apparently neither did the OP. At any rate, my point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 07:21 PM
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A lot of us men don't like large breasts. Just sayin'.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 05:59 PM
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Rollo Tomassi claiming men and women sexual strategies are eternally adversarial makes you wonder why get into a long term relationship in the first place. That seems like a valid question. Many men I know would describe their marriages (or former marriages) in precisely those terms.
/r/ExRedPill30/01/22 01:05 PM
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Is there anything in the MGTOW philosophy that prohibits men from having platonic relationships with women? My understanding was that for them, it's only marriage that's off the table.
/r/ExRedPill30/01/22 01:01 PM
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Maybe I missed it, but I couldn't find any reference in either article to the '115' you mentioned. No matter, because we're clearly talking about different things. Yes, anyone with an IQ of 115 can learn to play a decent game of chess, but elite Grandmasters all have IQ's in the genius range. There's a big difference between basic competence and brilliance. By the way, have you ever heard of Boudica, the ancient Celtic warrior queen? I think she's the perfect example of the kind of woman you're …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 11:24 PM
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I don't know how you came to the conclusion that IQ doesn't matter after a certain number. What number is that, and how did you arrive at it? Just to bring things back to reality and out of the realm of speculation, in my own IQ range, there are already 3 men to every 1 woman. That's a huge difference, and I'm not even at genius level. At genius level the advantage men have is even greater. Combine that with the various personality traits men have that are required to be great achievers, and it …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 08:51 PM
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No, IQ matters enormously. As Murray writes, it's the single biggest predictor of success. What I was pointing out is that, despite what the initials stand for, IQ doesn't necessarily equate with 'intelligence', because intelligence can be interpreted to include so many different cognitive abilities, and only some of those abilities can be measured by an IQ test. One reason I'm skeptical of the claim that women will eventually catch up to men is based on an article I read a couple of years ago, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 07:00 PM
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but i do have to ask, is IQ the primary determinant of intelligence? hasn’t it been technically debunked that it truly means these people are “Einstein” level? or that they’ll actually contribute anything? Well, that's quite a can of worms. When I was in college, I did quite a bit of coursework in artificial intelligence. The most basic question researchers in that area have to answer is, what exactly counts as 'intelligence'? There's really no complete answer because there are so many cognitive…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 05:58 PM
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I think back to the days before our hormones kicked in and we became attracted to the opposite sex. None of the boys wanted anything to do with the girls. They didn't share any of our interest, they didn't act like us, and they didn't think like us. Nor were they any good at sports. Given such basic differences, what purpose would be served by interacting with one another? Obviously some of these differences lessen as we grow older, but it nonetheless remains the case that we tend to have much m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 05:15 PM
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do you think women haven’t contributed because we don’t have something men have? This is one of my favorite questions, so allow me to jump in. We know that there are certain personality traits needed for success in various fields. Among them are aggressiveness, competitiveness, disagreeableness, and a high tolerance for risk. These sorts of traits are much more commonly found in men than in women, so even if the social playing field were perfectly even, men would naturally rise to the top in ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 02:59 PM
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That's exactly right. It mirrors something I just wrote in a separate thread. The stark reality is that if you remove the sex drive, there is no plausible reason why men and women would seek out each other's company. Why would we? Women can be difficult and frustrating to deal with. Much of the time they're a source of exasperation and annoyance. Not surprisingly, women will say much the same thing about men. That's the inevitable result when you have two genders who have little to nothing in co…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 02:21 PM
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To be honest, I've always regarded that type of man with mild contempt. Why on earth would a man devote so much time and effort to chasing women, when they add so little value to our lives? Prior to puberty, boys and girls wanted nothing to do with one another. We realized that we have different interests, different personalities, and different physical abilities, and that we just weren't compatible on any level. We have literally nothing in common. I submit that the only reason men and women se…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:52 PM
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I think your analysis is a bit too simplistic. It's not just that women would have to learn to do all the tasks currently performed by men, it's a question of whether men possess certain advantages conferred by evolution that women don't possess to the same degree. I'm not speaking of men's superior physical abilities, so we can set that aside. Think instead about all the things our species has accomplished in areas like art, engineering, science, mathematics, philosophy, and so on. How much of …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 03:18 AM
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It's really difficult to say because if you're in a marriage, you must have known beforehand that sexual desire wanes with age, particularly so if you'd had the same partner for decades. It's hard to imagine how old people can look at each other's decrepit bodies and find each other sexually attractive, so it's no surprise to find elderly couples who still love each other, but no longer engage in sex. But if you're thinking of a situation in which you're still relatively young and your partner f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 02:10 AM
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Receding hairlines? My glorious mane hasn't receded on millimeter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 11:25 PM
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You're just jealous because you know it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:58 PM
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Perhaps not all men, but I certainly have.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:22 PM
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Now that's just unnatural. Women don't retain their youthful beauty like we men do. I can't imagine dating a woman my own age, let alone 15-20 years older.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 08:38 PM
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That's my view as well, but my friend would point out that his wife cost him far more money than the gold diggers he's dating now, and the sex is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:54 PM
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Yes, but my opinion happens to be correct.
/r/ExRedPill28/01/22 05:51 PM
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Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. His former wife married him for love, or so he thought, but it later came out that all she really wanted was his social status and money. Women like her are much more common than we want to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:56 PM
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The thing that really disturbs me about their show is that there are going to be young men watching it who will mistake the kind of poisonous garbage they're teaching for reality. The show hosts may just be a couple of con artists looking to make a quick buck, but what they're advocating can do some lasting damage.
/r/ExRedPill28/01/22 04:45 PM
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Sure, money helps, but if that's all you're offering that's all you'll be wanted for. Right. And sex is all he wants them for.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:35 PM
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Well of course. He knows perfectly well that these women are just amateur prostitutes. It doesn't matter to him, because all he wants from them is sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:32 PM
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Like the hosts, most of the women on that show are disgusting examples of humanity. The prostitutes I see downtown have more class, and yet these are offered as the 'high value' women that men are supposed to want? Ridiculous.
/r/ExRedPill28/01/22 04:30 PM
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I don't agree with you on your last point though. I think women's attraction is based on more variables, so while your looks alone might not turn their heads initially, they'd still date you if they liked you. An old friend reminded me recently that one variable trumps all the rest: money. Why else would attractive women in their 20's and 30's be dating an obese, nerdy, 60 year old man?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:18 PM
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Nope. Some women are just painfully average. They can have a healthy BMI, dress nicely and wear perfume, and still look average. Right. 'Average', by definition, is not attractive. Attractive women are in the above average group, which only constitutes a small subset of all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:12 PM
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It's completely irrational. I have a female friend who insists she won't date men less than 6'-4", and that her ideal is 6'-6". I told her to look around and tell me how many men she saw that were that tall. None, she said, but the point still seemed lost on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:37 PM
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No, I think women have entirely different priorities. My best friend from high school was just in the area, finalizing the purchase of a million dollar home. It's his third one. He reminded me once again that being an obese, nerdy, middle-aged dude is no obstacle to dating beautiful women in their 20's. As long as you're wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:34 PM
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Women are increasing their standards when it comes to height, though. At 6'-0", I never had any woman tell me I was too short to date. But nowadays, I'm hearing average height women saying they won't date guys shorter than 6'-2" or even 6'-4".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:09 PM
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When I was in my 20's, I got seriously involved in weight training. I was at the gym at least 3 times a week, and reading all the current literature on body building when I wasn't pumping iron. What I discovered was that after the beginning stages, building muscle requires greatly increasing your caloric intake. I would estimate that I increased my food consumption by 300%. Muscle mass and strength gains were very impressive, but fat loss was nearly non-existent. If you want to drop fat, dieting…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:05 PM
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That's only true if you're rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:53 PM
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I dropped nearly 20 lbs. last year through dieting and lots of cycling, but aside from the obvious effect it had on my waist (down from 34 to 31), it was hard to see any difference in my appearance. Just for context, I'm 6'-0" and started with a weight of 175 lbs., and at one point got as low as 156 lbs. Unfortunately, some of that weight loss was muscle, which I could see when looking at the power data from my cycling workouts and comparing my sprint times to my former records. I'm a charter me…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:45 PM
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What's even harder to believe is that there are women, both on the show and off, nodding their heads in agreement when these two make their ridiculous assertions. It's hard not to be embarrassed for our species when you see a spectacle like this.
/r/ExRedPill28/01/22 10:55 AM
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We had a very strict dress code. Typically, all the men (students and faculty) would wear jackets and ties to class, so you can imagine what a shock it was to see this professor prancing around campus in a leopard print cat suit! Why the university administration would tolerate it is beyond me. I think the reason students are treated better here is twofold. First, it costs a lot more to obtain a college education in the US than in the UK, so we're not going to put up with being treated badly by …
/r/MensRights27/01/22 10:17 PM
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Yes, that was probably the biggest cultural difference I noticed about the British and Americans. I first became aware of it during a discussion on the UK forum concerning plans the American government had to allow women in combat roles. This led to all sorts of demeaning comments from the Brits on that forum, implying that women were too inept to be trusted with a loaded gun, etc. One responded that female pilots would probably crash their planes because they'd be too busy using their rearview …
/r/MensRights27/01/22 09:27 PM
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I guessed as much, but I couldn't be sure. I was a member of a UK based forum for many years, and what I saw there strongly suggested that British men may still have some antiquated ideas about women. I have a friend my age in the UK who used to vacation here every year, and I couldn't help but notice that he talks to his wife in a way that no American woman would put up with, calling her a "daft cow", and commenting that she had trouble thinking rationally because she's a woman. In fact, I was …
/r/MensRights27/01/22 07:58 PM
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Most of my life it was only my male peers who seemed to want to put me down for academic endeavours and expressing interest in certain topics, never have I experienced a women do this not even to another person. May I ask which country you're from? What you say just doesn't track with anything I've seen or heard here in the US. I know a woman a few years older than I am who was head of chemical engineering at NASA. I imagine that would be quite unusual even today, let alone 35 years ago. I asked…
/r/MensRights27/01/22 07:08 PM
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You’re deliberately asking me stupid questions like ‘do you think women are less competent than men’. As if my answer would be yes. Dont be a twat. I find it hard to believe you genuinely dont know what im talking about I can see why feminists have a reputation for not having much of a sense of humor. Of course my question wasn't intended to be taken seriously, I just like poking the hornet's nest occasionally. Women have a difficulty getting into those already difficult jobs to get into because…
/r/MensRights27/01/22 05:41 PM
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Thanks, that's what I thought. I assume the person who told me this is confusing MGTOW with the Red Pill community. I'm sure there's quite a bit of overlap between them, but they're clearly not the same.
/r/ExRedPill27/01/22 03:47 PM
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Of course they aren't on the same level. But my point was that feminists claim to want equal representation, yet they only seem to be interested in equal representation in highly desirable jobs. That's not equality. Similarly, they don't want equality when it comes to compulsory military duty, prison sentencing, custody disputes, and a number of other areas where women are unfairly advantaged. And since jobs that are high ranking in the government, for example, would be hard for most average peo…
/r/MensRights27/01/22 03:42 PM
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When has the feminist movement ever advocated for equality? I'm not aware of any such cases. Demanding you be given something you don't have isn't advocating for equality. When feminists demand equal representation as heads of major corporations and high ranking positions in government, why aren't they also demanding equal representation as street cleaners, sewer workers, coal miners, and all the other dangerous and unpleasant jobs occupied almost entirely by men? Could it be because feminism wa…
/r/MensRights27/01/22 01:05 PM
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Of course it isn't. The argument about the differences in strength is just a cheap and convenient rationalization for the underlying belief that women shouldn't have to pay the price for their bad behavior.
/r/MensRights27/01/22 12:52 PM
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Any movement founded on the core belief that women as a class are oppressed by men as a class inevitably becomes misandrist. If you come to believe that your life has been diminished by the actions of a certain group, you will come to resent, and even hate that group. That's just human nature. In fact, this very point has been used repeatedly by prominent feminists to justify their hatred of men. The most recent example which comes to mind was an article published in the Washington Post, called,…
/r/MensRights27/01/22 03:28 AM
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If anybody doubts this, just have a look at the threads and comments in the r/askfeminists subredit. You'll find people saying the most vile things about men, and the mods just look on approvingly. But post one thing that doesn't fit their narrative and you'll be instantly banned.
/r/MensRights27/01/22 03:07 AM
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It's plainly not a practical idea now, but I remember my grandmother (born in 1905) mentioning to me that she was a girl when horse drawn carriages were still the primary mode of transportation, yet lived to see men landing on the moon.
/r/ExRedPill26/01/22 11:14 PM
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My initial thought is, what would be the consequences to you if you were called those things? Personally, I don't lose a moment's sleep if random people call me names. But given how hostile the university environment is to men these days, there might be a price to pay.
/r/MensRights26/01/22 04:01 PM
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Why not? I knew a woman like that back in my college days. She was known on campus as "The Beast". She once challenged me to a wrestling match, but then backed out when I agreed to fight her.
/r/MensRights26/01/22 03:46 PM
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Some men are larger and stronger than other men. Does that mean they have no right to defend themselves if a smaller/weaker man assaults them?
/r/MensRights26/01/22 02:24 PM
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I recently spoke about this very thing with an old friend who is now in the process of obtaining a divorce. I was well aware of the emotional abuse his wife had subjected him to over the years, but didn't realize that it had on several occasions escalated to physical violence, the last instance being so serious that he decided to move out of the house for his own safety. He happens to be an attorney who worked as assistant prosecutor for a major city in the Northeast, and is well aware of what w…
/r/MensRights26/01/22 02:22 PM
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The irony is that this is exactly what feminists themselves will say when you bring attention to the fact that man-hating is rife within feminist circles. If only I had a dollar for every feminist who replied, "But not all feminists are like that."
/r/MensRights25/01/22 08:27 PM
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We all draw general conclusions from particular cases; it's called inductive logic. I would say that when it comes to social situations, the degree to which we should let this kind of reasoning determine our response depends on two things: the amount of supporting evidence you have, and the amount of risk you're taking if you happen to be mistaken.
/r/MensRights25/01/22 08:24 PM
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