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Ah - that's great to hear - I suppose I'm probably getting the wrong media (the Guardian - largely a feminist rag). And I work in a sector with a lot of feminism where the views and ideas presented in the documentary would be quite controversial. Great to hear you think this stuff is going mainstream now though.
/r/MensRights18/04/24 07:07 AM
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See for example: https://x.com/ManKindInit/status/1779786113801912398
/r/MensRights17/04/24 09:14 PM
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Thanks for making the effort to watch it and do a summary. I think when DD said if abused men don't get support they might do something stupid, he was talking about suicide not harming other people. He goes into male suicide quite a bit in part 2. Oh and he also talks to a men's rights academic/advocate in part 2. Of course the show wasn't perfect but it was definitely a step in the right direction. There's some way to go but I'm really encouraged to see this type of thing going mainstream.
/r/MensRights17/04/24 09:10 PM
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That's not what I got from it. It dealt with many of the core men's rights issues. If course it's going to take a softly softly approach, it's on a mainstream TV channel. Several men's rights organisations were also involved in setting up interviews and telling some of the stories (such as the men's DV refuge and the man who's wife was granted full custody of their son who went on to murder him). Not bad for a mainstream TV programme.
/r/MensRights17/04/24 08:59 PM
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Here's a clip from when Danny Dyer visits a school and talks to the young men about misandry: https://x.com/boxinsaveslives/status/1780598422837621104
/r/MensRights17/04/24 06:27 PM
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Nope - the idea of toxic masculinity is rejected and the show visits a men's refuge and meets make victims of DV and unfair family courts. It's actually very good.
/r/MensRights17/04/24 06:09 PM
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Yes. But don't think it's discrimination necessarily, more that I've turned down for jobs in mostly female teams where they probably thought I wouldn't be a good "fit" with team culture. I think this is the case with a lot of hiring decisions that get misunderstood as discrimination. People like to hire people who are like them.
/r/MensRights12/02/24 09:59 AM
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Oh yes, definitely. Especially when it comes to statistical analysis. Don't want to generalise though.
/r/MensRights10/02/24 09:12 AM
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Ah ok, no hablas español entonces? I think you've misunderstood me, I'm just saying that there's a lot of pretty terrible murder of women in those areas, not saying things aren't bad for lots of men too. I think the premise of the question doesn't really work, it shouldn't be a competition about who's got it worse - and of course it's completely different for different parts of society in those countries. I would say that in a lot of Latin America it's not like the US and Europe where feminism h…
/r/MensRights03/02/24 09:14 PM
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Wow - you sound like a really unpleasant person - what's with the insults? De donde eres en América Latina? Que país?
/r/MensRights03/02/24 08:59 PM
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I mean it's way too vague a question to answer really, I was thinking about the way women are mistreated in those places. Lots of misogyny, machismo and devaluation of women. In some parts of Mexico and Central America murders of women are endemic to the extent that they talk about femicide.
/r/MensRights03/02/24 08:35 PM
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Well, Africa isn't a state, it's >50 states. Some have better rule of law than others. Some are very closely controlled (e.g. Morocco). The Middle East also has some states with very developed legal systems. And women don't have equal rights under many of these legal systems. E.g. a friend of mine from Sudan had to have her passport signed by her father before she could leave the country. There's lots of other examples.
/r/MensRights03/02/24 08:24 PM
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Yes lots where women don't have full rights or where sexism and machismo are widely accepted. Lots of African and middle eastern countries, India, Latin America etc.
/r/MensRights03/02/24 06:58 PM
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All depends on where you think the centre is.
/r/MensRights03/02/24 08:45 AM
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Yes - even when the comments are open they are really bad at censoring them - if you criticise the guardian itself they remove the comment.
/r/MensRights03/02/24 08:43 AM
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Yes, good point.
/r/MensRights02/02/24 10:16 PM
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Yes I think feminists often assume all women are feminists.
/r/MensRights02/02/24 09:57 PM
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I don't think it's far left - they have not got behind Jeremy Corbyn or Bernie Sanders (who are not even far left, just have broad social democracy/international human rights platforms). The Guardian is more centrist, liberal but with a strong feminist and identity politics agenda.
/r/MensRights02/02/24 04:10 PM
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Yes, the WaW fallacy is a problem, but I think the world may be waking up to that with some not-so-wonderful women coming to the fore.
/r/MensRights02/02/24 03:52 PM
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AI isn't actual intelligence though, it's machine learning and algorithms. And the main problem with this kind of reductionism is everything it leaves out (i.e. most of human experience).
/r/MensRights02/02/24 02:25 PM
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Because they're women doing this.
/r/MensRights02/02/24 02:18 PM
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Oh right. I don't buy this biological reductionism approach to human behaviour, I think we're much more complex than that.
/r/MensRights02/02/24 01:41 PM
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How so? It's 50/50 isn't it?
/r/MensRights02/02/24 01:19 PM
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Yes - it happened with gay rights and trans rights. Being gay used to be vilified by almost everyone, it was used as an insult and people had to hide their identity, likewise transvestites and transsexuals used to be ostracized and viewed and odd/weirdos. That has all changed and those views are now seen as unacceptable in modern society. The author of this article recognises some of the startling statistics about things like university enrollment - there's plenty more (just wait until she disco…
/r/MensRights02/02/24 12:48 PM
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I know. I think they'll cotton on to the issue in about 5 years time after lots of damage has been done. I can see men's rights going mainstream in the same way trans rights did about 5 years ago, and the Guardian will likely pick it up. They're slow processes but the fundamentals are all there, just needs to break through. Lots of factors will play into it - men getting more organised, more research and data being put out, changes in personnel and prominent men's rights voices that are accepted…
/r/MensRights02/02/24 12:08 PM
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That was a genuine question, I don't know what the purpose is. Leaving Earth is fine but it depends on what for. For example, William Shatner's experience of going into orbit had a profound transformational effect on him, I highly recommend looking up his speech and reaction following his visit to space.
/r/MensRights31/01/24 10:47 AM
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What's the purpose of the space colony?
/r/MensRights31/01/24 10:31 AM
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Mars is utterly hostile to all forms of life, makes no sense whatsoever.
/r/MensRights31/01/24 10:18 AM
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Well maybe, but the Mars stuff is pure sci-fi fantasy. I do sometimes wonder if it is all a performance to hammer home how precious Earth really is, but I'm pretty sure that's not what he's doing...
/r/MensRights31/01/24 08:29 AM
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Yes! And don't get me started on the Boring Company! Laughable if it wasn't being done by a supposed genius billionaire.
/r/MensRights31/01/24 08:26 AM
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Strong agree with this. He also comes up with delusional crap like colonising Mars which serves to distract from the very real issue of saving the one life supporting planet we have.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 07:33 PM
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Really? What do you suggest then?
/r/MensRights30/01/24 11:30 AM
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Yes, that kind of behaviour is very unhelpful. Maybe the answer is to look for the feminists who acknowledge men's issues are a thing. And at the same time to acknowledge that women's issues and misogyny are a thing too (and that women can be misogynists as well...). Thanks.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 10:54 AM
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Well, no need to work with those feminists that invalidate you and ignore your pain, but good to look for those feminists that acknowledge how destructive and abusive some women can be.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 10:52 AM
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OK. Good to see the feminists calling out misandry though, right? Makes me much more sympathetic to them. And good to see you denouncing Trump's misogyny. Why pay attention to those feminists who use Trump as an example? They clearly don't know what they're talking about. Easy to ignore that kind of BS.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 10:46 AM
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A few examples of the sun rising in the West here: https://www.quora.com/As-a-feminist-do-you-call-out-misandry-If-so-could-you-provide-an-example-of-when-you-did
/r/MensRights30/01/24 10:39 AM
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Yes, it's a shame. I get the sense that there's a lot of pain and hurt in the men involved in the MRA movement and they really want their suffering to be acknowledged and respected. It's difficult to be empathetic and think about the greater good when you're in pain and feel like society is against you.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 10:16 AM
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Yes, completely agree - it's important to be able to see things in their full complexity. Too much black and white / zero sum thinking here for my liking.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 10:13 AM
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This may be a way to get more attention, this is not a zero sum game.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 08:33 AM
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Sure - feminists calling out and recognising misandry would be a great start though, right?
/r/MensRights30/01/24 08:32 AM
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I'm talking more about bullying and persecution, and not directly intervening but showing that MRAs are not associated with it or condone it.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 11:04 PM
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Ok but what about non tyrannical women and others - could be worth winning them over, right?
/r/MensRights29/01/24 10:40 PM
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Very interesting: Warren Farrell is one of my main inspirations for suggesting this. And he has developed a policy platform/manifesto of sorts. By positive masculinity I mean all of the things Farrell talks about in his book "The Boy Crisis". Oh, and I'm not here to do that Reddit thing of arguing points to see who is right or wrong, I'm trying to suggest something positive for the MRA movement. In fact I really think that MRAs should spend more time developing and agreeing on the policy platfor…
/r/MensRights29/01/24 09:10 PM
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By policy platform I mean a set of proposals for policies and societal changes. It's eminently possible to develop one of those.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 08:37 PM
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Dude, that's not what I'm saying - assume good faith please. I'm not talking about the feminist toxic masculinity narrative - why not reclaim the narrative on this point? I used to be super defensive about this stuff too but I've seen and heard about enough misogynist shit from some men. It seems like an easy win to separate ourselves and not be associated with that shit.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 08:36 PM
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Why not?
/r/MensRights29/01/24 08:31 PM
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Thanks, see my clarifying edit in the OP. I'm talking about the MRA policy platform, not individuals. My fault for not being clear!
/r/MensRights29/01/24 08:10 PM
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See my edit in the OP. Thanks!
/r/MensRights29/01/24 08:09 PM
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See my edit in the original post.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 08:08 PM
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Yes I think that would be good.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 05:35 PM
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Sure - I'm talking more about the MRA movement with it's platform and demands. The Men's Rights Movement wants to change society so it could be a good idea to acknowledge and distance ourselves from bad behaviour by men when these follow patterns in society.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:43 PM
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Sure - what do you think about my hypothetical though with feminism? Would you be more sympathetic towards feminists if they call out misandry? I certainly would. Likewise, calling out misogyny could be a good tactic to win women over to the MRA cause.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:33 PM
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Well, there is definitely asshole behaviour which is specific to men - creating nude photoshops of women/girls is something boys would do but very unlikely to be something you'd see girls doing. Misogyny I suppose if you want to label it. I think it would strengthen the MRA movement to distance ourselves from misogyny since that can be an accusation/smear against MRAs.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:19 PM
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I meant more that the discourse/platform of Men's Rights Activism should acknowledge that some men behave terribly in specific masculine ways. What prompted this reflection from me was a story in the news about a girl in London who committed suicide because of bullying by boys in her school: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/mia-janin-bullying-school-suicide-b2485554.html
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:07 PM
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Weird that you're putting this on your mother only, the father has equal responsibility for this.
/r/MensRights24/01/24 11:12 AM
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Yes and more generally we all live together in the world, have important people in our lives who are of the opposite sex and their happiness and wellbeing is good for us too.
/r/MensRights23/01/24 01:19 PM
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Good post - thanks. The success and happiness of women is just as important to men as the success and happiness of men is to women. Harm to women is harm to men and vice-versa. I hope people can start to see this more.
/r/MensRights23/01/24 11:33 AM
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EA is based on utilitarianism, men's rights is rights based so fundamentally incompatible (see deontological vs. utilitarian ethics). Basically utilitarianism says you can violate people's rights if it's in the interest of the greatest happiness for greatest number. Rights frameworks say rights are fundamental and shouldn't be violated.
/r/MensRights22/01/24 07:05 PM
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Oh and the point about women not being able to serve in the military - you can flip that round to say that boys and men are sent off to die in wars - this is basically saying that their lives are worth less than the lives of women and girls.
/r/MensRights17/01/24 07:34 PM
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Misandry is different from misogyny. Both exist. Both shouldn't. Defining terms is important so that's a good starting place. What do we mean by misandry? Essentially it means hatred of men. In practice it is manifested as sexism and devaluing of men. Examples include saying "all men are rapists", "society doesn't need men", "men are evil" etc. Treating boys as less valued than girls is a practical example. This happens against girls in other countries where boy children are more valued, but in …
/r/MensRights17/01/24 07:30 PM
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I haven't got the energy for this.
/r/MensRights16/01/24 07:22 PM
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Ah man - well, it's a metaphor for European colonialism and the way western nations trample on and murder indigenous people for their resources. And very well done from that point of view.
/r/MensRights16/01/24 03:56 PM
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I'm wondering how much neurodiversity plays into this - many of the neurodivergent conditions are more common in boys (autism, ADD/HD, Schizotypy etc. - I'm not sure about dyslexia) and mainstream education often isn't well adapted to teach these kinds of minds. This could be a good explanation as one of the reasons for the bad results for boys.
/r/MensRights16/01/24 02:36 PM
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Oh right, you're joking.
/r/MensRights16/01/24 01:16 PM
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I think you could call this list mostly "unreconstructed masculine heroes". Suggest you check out this video on the Myth of Heroic Masculine Purpose - I expect it to be quite eye opening for you (and in line with Men's Rights discourse): https://youtu.be/RKdT_d-_vYs?si=qqXV45NuBdkodj0D
/r/MensRights16/01/24 01:12 PM
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Your reading of Avatar is so wrong I don't even know where to start.
/r/MensRights16/01/24 01:09 PM
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Really care less about what other people think about you, particularly those that have no involvement in your life or are of no importance to you. It's a relic of our psychology that we respond to others in this way but it's no longer useful for us.
/r/MensRights12/01/24 10:39 PM
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Good post - thank you. Important not to go down the victim route or the misogyny route while advocating for men's rights.
/r/MensRights30/12/23 08:32 AM
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Jesus - talk about bringing the level down.
/r/MensRights05/12/23 01:39 PM
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And 100% not true at the same time
/r/MensRights30/11/23 03:25 PM
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This is a very good TED Talk on the topic of relational aggression: https://youtu.be/2j-S06u5lDY?si=LsfZ28L5-SgyUNHC
/r/MensRights29/11/23 05:57 PM
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Definitely not - I've been a man for 40+ years and had lots of male friend groups - I've only once been in a situation where some of the men were being misogynist and it was some friends of a friend. Needless to say I haven't seen any of them since.
/r/MensRights13/11/23 03:16 PM
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Good maths - I think it's eliminate 80% of men: men make up 50% of the population, for them to make up 10% that would need to reduce by 40% of the total population, which is 80% (4/5) of the male population. It probably wouldn't be elimination per se of course, more selective breeding.
/r/MensRights06/11/23 09:54 PM
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Misleading use of statistics and disregard for the truth if it doesn't fit the agenda. The gender pay gap is an egregious example of this - 70% of people think that it means men and women getting paid differently for the same work - but it's not that at all, it's the average wage across all work sectors and levels. This is part of the more general problem of seeing everything through the lens of discrimination, sexism or misogyny, when in many cases there may be completely different reasons for …
/r/MensRights06/11/23 05:19 PM
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Out of interest - what's the background to "the future is female" phrase? Thanks.
/r/MensRights06/11/23 05:15 PM
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I think the way Reddit works is part of the problem - things get voted up and down, and negative votes hides a comment, so it is structurally designed to create echo-chambers and group-think.
/r/MensRights30/10/23 02:58 PM
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?? No idea what this means.
/r/MensRights30/10/23 12:32 PM
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Yes, agree - and voting down any criticism is not a good look either (my comment is already on "0"). I get the sense that the worst aspects of feminism (misandry) come from women who have problematic relationships with men (deficient fathers, unsuccessful romantic relationships, abusers etc.), but likewise there's an element among MRAs that comes from poor relationships with women that leads to resentment and, yes, misogyny. What we should be looking for is healthy male-female relationships, emp…
/r/MensRights30/10/23 11:40 AM
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Lots of "feminism is terrible" views on this board. Surely there's a need for a reality check and a more balanced view. I get the hostility to particular aspects of feminism but women being able to vote (as well as working class men) is unarguably a good thing. And there are lots of women's issues that *do* need to be addressed: I know men can be victims of DV too, but male on female DV is a terrible thing that occurs far too often (I've witnessed a man punching a woman in the face in the street…
/r/MensRights30/10/23 08:51 AM
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Yep, agree with this - there needs to be more critical debate here rather than this sort of self-congratulatory "we're better than them" fluff.
/r/MensRights28/10/23 07:01 PM
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Maybe be more discerning when selecting women to approach - have a look at the sort of things they're interested in and the way they present themselves and try and find a woman with substance who aligns with your values. Don't waste time with superficial women.
/r/MensRights23/10/23 09:25 AM
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"The Boy Crisis" by Warren Farrell - excellent diagnosis of the challenges facing modern men and boys - just skip the section written by John Gray, no idea why Farrell included it. You can get a flavour of it from the interview Farrell did with Jordan Peterson or his TED Talk.
/r/MensRights19/10/23 12:43 PM
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I spoke too soon, my post has been removed by the moderators. Shame, it was getting some quite interesting answers.
/r/MensRights10/10/23 09:33 PM
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Lots of different answers, most seem pretty unbiased actually, including preferring male managers over female. In fact there's very little difference with the general types of answers to this post.
/r/MensRights10/10/23 08:01 PM
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Ok, I've posted the question on there - the replies seem pretty reasonable so far :-)
/r/MensRights10/10/23 07:07 PM
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Can you make a post?
/r/MensRights10/10/23 06:08 PM
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That all seems pretty sensible and legit to me - great to see.
/r/MensRights10/10/23 03:26 PM
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Yes of course. And either sex can have these, it's just more common in men.
/r/MensRights10/10/23 12:28 PM
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To be fair to SBC he has never said women can't be autistic, just that it's more common in men (which it is) and that autism is an extreme version of traits that are more common in men.
/r/MensRights10/10/23 12:07 PM
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Sure. Just remember that people can change. I've found that helpful in my life.
/r/MensRights09/10/23 04:25 PM
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That's a funny way of looking at it - a lot of fear is unfounded. ("we have nothing to fear but fear itself" etc.). A lot of the feminist discourse takes isolated examples of bad/terrible behaviour by a man and then uses that to justify androphobia or misandry - e.g. "all men are potential predators". Doing the same based on one woman who lied is just as bad.
/r/MensRights09/10/23 04:11 PM
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I would recommend interrogating the idea that people can be sorted into "good" and "bad" - it's probably not a helpful way to view people. I would suggest replacing it with an analysis of positive or negative behaviour rather than labelling the person one way or another. And of course all women and all men are capable of both positive and negative behaviour.
/r/MensRights09/10/23 01:27 PM
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Good point - promoting healthy relationships between the sexes is the way forward, which means eliminating both misandry and misogyny. Good relationships with male and female parents is a strong basis for this (or having parents that promote good relationships with the opposite sex in the case of same sex parents).
/r/MensRights09/10/23 11:02 AM
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Ok thanks.
/r/MensRights08/10/23 04:35 PM
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What does FED mean? Thanks
/r/MensRights08/10/23 08:34 AM
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Thanks for the info.
/r/MensRights05/10/23 01:16 PM
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