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Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
16	How important is romantic love as part of human livelihood?	Discussion	AvocadoAlternative	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/25 02:07 PM

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1	Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative. In 2026, no. I view shifts in sex relations very very broadly as 3 layers: biology, culture, and policy. We can change policy and try to change culture, but biology is the bedrock of sex differences, and much of the conflict we now around feminism has to do with the collision between top-down changes we’d like to see (policy —> culture) vs. bottom-up norms (biology —> culture). You can only change culture so much before it collides with biology, and biology usually wins. In my opinion we’ve dug …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 04:31 PM
5	Even if the Red Pill doesn't understand philosophy or the history of gender essentialism, it doesn't change the fact that its worldview is fundamentally conservative. I guess reality is conservative now? We know that men and women fundamentally differ in biology. We also have very good evidence that men and women differ in many dimensions of personality on average. It’s then not a big surprise that cultural norms arose from those physical and psychological differences. The cultural norms themselves are social constructs, yes, but it doesn’t mean they’re arbitrary and it certainly doesn’t mean they’re useless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 01:00 PM
14	Feminism is not an idea. It is a technology I can switch off at will. Large scale social movements are almost always enabled by existing material conditions, feminism included.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 02:51 PM
1	Women's Dating Rules Are Impossible and often Hypocritical Men and women both want things that are often self-contradictory. Think about what men fantasize about in a women: a shy, demure maiden on the outside but a complete pornstar in the bedroom. And what about a typical female fantasy? An assertive, powerful man who can have any woman he wants but chooses to be loyal and loving to her. He’s dominant in the bedroom but somehow tender. She wants to feel in danger but safe at the same time. These are contradictory wants that many hold and express subco…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/25 12:07 AM
2	Why do women call sleeping around “healing” or “finding themselves”? You reminded me of the Will Smith/Jada Pinkett Smith video and her “healing journey”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/25 11:56 PM
27	Women advise men to be confident, but also get annoyed if a guy has the audacity to think he has a chance with them theyre keeping the quiet part quiet. I firmly believe this is at the root of much of the confusion among young men, especially “nice guys”. You ask a woman what they find attractive and it’s some combination of “generous, confident, good sense of humor, good with kids, considerate, etc.” Okay, great, let me find you an obese 70 year old who’s the kindest, funniest person in the world. What’s that? You had a hidden physical attraction requirement that you never articulated? Oh, too late, now you’…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/25 12:14 PM
0	Paper Abortions are not ethically analogous to Abortions The problem (if you can call it that) is that abortion both kills the fetus and renounces responsibility of parenthood. Biology is inconvenient. Maybe it would help to disentangle the two. Suppose women are not allowed to have abortions but are permitted to give up the child upon birth to the state (like a safe haven law). If that’s the case, then you would also need to agree that men would have a right to a paper abortion, since once the baby is out the womb, all arguments for bodily autonomy o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 01:42 AM
2	How often do you fear that you'll be romantically rejected because you're not feminine enough? Not necessarily. Masculinity is closely tied with being biologically male, and you could talk about male vs. female in other species. For example, 100 million years ago before humans ever evolved, a male shark would likely be more "masculine" than a female shark, and it'll vary according to species. So, masculinity has existed in some form or another as long as sexual dimorphism has existed. No social construct needed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/24 04:35 AM
3	How often do you fear that you'll be romantically rejected because you're not feminine enough? You're asking 2 different questions: 1) If you asked someone, would they say that masculinity is defined by appearance? 2) Is masculinity defined by appearance? For question 1: It depends on who you survey, but I think most people would say that appearance is a critical part of masculinity. However, a significant portion of people probably wouldn't mention appearance at all and would define it based on a set of behaviors (it might even be >50%). I'd bet money though that if you were to ask 100 w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/24 04:20 AM
8	How often do you fear that you'll be romantically rejected because you're not feminine enough? Yes, and I'm talking about dating specifically. A man can be more or less feminine than another man, a woman can be more or less masculine than another woman. However, speaking as a heterosexual male, I could never date a biological man no matter how feminine he acted. I could consider dating a biological woman even if she were masculine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/24 04:01 AM
10	How often do you fear that you'll be romantically rejected because you're not feminine enough? Femininity is defined by looks for most people. Those are the table stakes. “Feminine energy” and norms sit on top of that physical base, some people just take the physical portion too far.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/24 03:30 AM
2	Birth rates are going to keep plummeting Everybody likes ascribing their own pet causes to plummeting birth rates. In fact, birth rates have been dropping for 200+ years, through good and bad economic eras, prior to womens liberation, prior to feminism, prior to shifts in cultural expectations of having fewer children. Birth rates plummeted primarily due to industrialization. The transition from an agrarian based economy to a manufacturing/service based economy meant that children went from being financial assets to financial liabiliti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/23 06:24 PM
5	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men To be fair, a young woman who isn’t overweight or horribly disfigured will be attractive enough for most men to at least go out on a date with, even if she has a bad personality. This doesn’t seem to be the case the other way around.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 01:39 PM
2	Is the pattern of dating the most desirable men in their 20s and then settling in their 30s nd 40s a common pattern of modern day women in most 1st world countries? Everybody wants to ascribe their own pet cause to low birth rates. They may have some effect, but the primary root cause is industrialization AKA the shift away from agriculture-based societies. Everything else is secondary. As such, many of the things you listed are effects, not causes, of low birth rates.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 12:18 PM
4	Women claiming to be 'Sapiosexual' often do so either inaccurately or as code for something else. Just ask someone who’s sapiosexual to describe their ideal partner physically. It’ll often just be a slightly nerdier but still conventionally attractive person who wears glasses.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/23 03:27 PM
0	American capitalism has destroyed dating What solutions would you propose?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/23 03:20 AM
–	How do women honestly feel about guys that are genuinely going about improving themselves but still can’t get laid? Brutal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/23 01:03 AM
11	Modern women who want to be treated traditionally… It's a great test of whether someone is actually egalitarian or simply wants more benefits. Because until equality is achieved, both philosophies point in the same direction.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/23 02:58 PM
1	Would you be happier with women making the first shot at this point? Yes, if she's attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/23 03:21 AM
1	The lock and key analogy is irrational, because it entails a premise that isn't agreed upon to begin with Completely agree. Let's end the discussion on this point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/22 10:52 PM
2	The lock and key analogy is irrational, because it entails a premise that isn't agreed upon to begin with It doesn't matter whether what I (or other men) believe is even true or not. I simply don't want to date someone who sleeps around because I don't find them attractive. Unfortunately for women who sleep around a lot, that lowers their SMV, even if it is pseudoscience. Does that make sense?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/22 10:52 PM
1	The lock and key analogy is irrational, because it entails a premise that isn't agreed upon to begin with And what is the reason that it is correlated to SMV at all? At least for me, I'd be concerned that a sexually promiscuous woman would be likelier to cheat in our relationship and would be more difficult to pair bond with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/22 10:43 PM
2	The lock and key analogy is irrational, because it entails a premise that isn't agreed upon to begin with If you won't bother justifying the premises of an argument, then what's the point of laying out the conclusion? Men don't need to justify any of their dating preferences, just as women don't have to justify any. Should a short man try to justify to women why being tall is an evolutionary vestige and that short guys in the modern world are just as attractive? Of course not. You cannot negotiate attraction. And they can do that if you actually justify this to them. If you blanket refuse to explain…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/22 10:37 PM
3	The lock and key analogy is irrational, because it entails a premise that isn't agreed upon to begin with The entire lock and key analogy boils down to "women are property". The only reason men care about body count or "purity" is because they want to "mark their territory" over a virginal woman. Either you're stuck in the early 19th century or you're reading from sources that pretend that they are. I certainly didn't say that, so please don't ascribe that argument to me. For me, the lock and key analogy boils down to "long term female SMV is inversely correlated with body count". That's all. You ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/22 10:35 PM
2	The lock and key analogy is irrational, because it entails a premise that isn't agreed upon to begin with Pass on convincing a man out of the idea that women are property he owns. I'd rather die alone than be viewed as property. Who said that? Because it certainly wasn't me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/22 10:28 PM
1	The lock and key analogy is irrational, because it entails a premise that isn't agreed upon to begin with But the people to whom they're making analogy don't. That's the problem. But that's their problem. By "their", I mean mostly women who are trying to understand why sexual promiscuity is a hit against their SMV. And remember, because female SMV is pretty much solely determined by male standards, it's the male's opinion that ultimately matters. At that point, the man uses the lock and key analogy to try and convey why that's the case, and confusion ensues at the basic level because men implicitly …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/22 10:24 PM
0	The lock and key analogy is irrational, because it entails a premise that isn't agreed upon to begin with I think the reason why the analogy sticks is because most men accept the premises implicitly. This is important because the “reality” here is literally how men feel about women with high body count. Even if it were the case that body count had no correlation with objective measures like loyalty or demureness, the fact that men believe that it does means that it affects female SMV. So in reality, there’s no need to justify it because again, men accept the premises implicitly. The onus would be on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/22 10:12 PM
0	The lock and key analogy is irrational, because it entails a premise that isn't agreed upon to begin with But then you’ve still got your work cut out for you to actually disprove the premises implicit in the lock and key analogy, which many people find pretty apt.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/22 09:57 PM
1	The lock and key analogy is irrational, because it entails a premise that isn't agreed upon to begin with Would you be willing to say that any and all analogies that involve normative statements beg the question?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/22 09:45 PM
3	Do beautiful women realize they get the VIP treatment nearly everywhere they go or do they naively believe this is just how the world works for everyone? Formerly hot chick loses her looks and world comes crashing down: https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/em6ek/a_formerly_hot_chick_on_losing_her_looks_i_think/	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/20 07:53 PM