Baconator73 Archive

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41	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests	CMV	Baconator73	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 07:32 PM

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2	The recent trend of women using "therapeutic language" to insult and stigmatize men And it’s backed up by research. Women are just as aggressive in interpersonal conflict as men are. They just express their aggression through the means you said where men resort to physical violence. The idea that women are this peaceful harmoniously collection of angels that don’t lie or try to hurt others is just as much a myth as all men are violent would be killers that would indiscriminately harm random strangers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/23 02:25 AM
14	The recent trend of women using "therapeutic language" to insult and stigmatize men Reputation destruction is very widespread and accepted in research as a way for women to handle disagreements compared to men. It’s the female equivalent of fighting or bullying for men. There’s as reason women are much more likely to call another girl a slut or whore or start rumors than men are. Men handle interpersonal conflicts with violence, women use rumors, and reputation destruction. So while you may not have heard those exact words frequently, the motivation and their application isn’t …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/23 05:00 PM
7	Many Men don't seem to understand the difference between sexualization and sexyness You mean willingly signing up to the army and being thanked, celebrated and worshipped for it (even sometimes if it was someone else of your gender who did it). Yes because the draft never happened? And willingly? If women complain about many poor women turning to sex work, the military is the equivalent for poor men. That argument can’t cut both ways. And sure thanked until they come back broken and destroyed from seeing friends blown up. I’m sure veterans are just treated oh so well. You mean …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/23 09:20 PM
9	Many Men don't seem to understand the difference between sexualization and sexyness Being common fodder for war or violence in defense of someone, Seen as a meal ticket on dates, sexually etc. The fact you can’t think of a single example is just as sad as it’s not shocking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/23 08:46 PM
7	Are men more romantic? I don’t agree with the person you’re responding to but this comment bugs me. Women repeatedly say they don’t wear makeup or dress for attraction of men. This is literally the go to saying whenever a man has concerns about what his SO might wear going out without him. Yet now when asked what do women do for their partners claiming that looking good and attractive for them would invalidate the previous argument. Either women don’t dress up for men’s benefit and to feel good about herself or dressi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/23 03:25 PM
2	CMV: Asking for a paternity test is not an accusation of cheating, and women who think like that are red flags I agree. If you make the consequences for being a lying cheating POS high enough then less people might not do it. I think what gets lost in this is there’s a loser deadbeat bio father who is fine letting another man pay for his choices. It also would allow the kid benefits like know their medical history.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 07:19 PM
-1	CMV: Asking for a paternity test is not an accusation of cheating, and women who think like that are red flags While you’re right the issue is by that time it’s already too late. Name is on birth certificate and men have been made to pay child support for a kid that isn’t there’s. The alternative solution is to make paternity testing mandatory for child support, if found the child isn’t his he pays no child support and any previous divorce settlements should be allowed dot be reopened at the mothers expense with some form of mandatory payment towards the ex husband as restitution.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 06:51 PM
0	What do you think about the moms who refuse DNA paternity testing? Would you refuse one yourself and if so what would be your reason or reasons? Yeah people are acting like trust is this magical state of being that never changes and just appears through no actions of their own. Trust is built through actions to give someone a reason to trust you. For example my girlfriend would never go through my phone, but I would never freak out if she asked to see it either. That’s why she trusts me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/23 11:42 AM
9	Women judge men based on how popular they are with other women which leads to a cycle where a few fuckboys get to pump and dump many women I’m not saying they’re choosing to be in the harem. They’re choosing men who have them and thinking they’ll be the different from the other girls. They think the men will change for them. If they didn’t actually want to be, they wouldn’t flock to the same guys. Preselection wouldn’t be a thing. They want the cake and to eat it too. Except they will deny they actually want the cake verbally, but then are in the kitchen eating it. If you want the super hot guy understand he’s likely not going to c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 04:32 PM
4	Women judge men based on how popular they are with other women which leads to a cycle where a few fuckboys get to pump and dump many women They may not like it but it does show that’s what many of them are instinctively attracted to. I think that’s the issue with this and a lot of other dating complaints. No different than when they say height doesn’t matter as much as guys claim. We see what they actually do. Sure women don’t want to be a part of a “fuckboi” harem, but that doesn’t change that’s the men a non insignificant portion of them are attracted to. They don’t have to like it but let’s call a spade a spade and quit acting l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 03:44 PM
5	Should a woman who has lost significant amounts of weight give men who did not want her a chance after weight loss? That’s awesome! You should be proud of that! I also hate this rhetoric of “child birth is traumatic. It’s going to ruin your body.” We need to cut out this idea of we need to scare women about childbirth as well. Sure there’s long and short complications in some people. That doesn’t mean this exaggeration is necessary other than to give women anxiety over something they’ve been doing for thousands of years. If they go look at old pictures of public beaches from 50-70+ years ago, the majority of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 10:55 PM
3	Should a woman who has lost significant amounts of weight give men who did not want her a chance after weight loss? You almost had it. The equivalent for men, is have a good job. Not height.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 09:59 PM
1	Should a woman who has lost significant amounts of weight give men who did not want her a chance after weight loss? No I’m not missing anything. You’re over simplifying people. People are complex. Nonsense. You’re the one doing that by saying anyone who cares about their partners appearance are shallow. If you actually believed that nonsense you’d understand people can care about personality AND appearance. Sometimes people go through difficult stages in their life. It doesn’t mean they don’t have the traits that would allow them to maintain a good physical appearance. Again you really need to understand the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 06:43 PM
2	Should a woman who has lost significant amounts of weight give men who did not want her a chance after weight loss? Except that’s entirely your opinion. Wanting someone who takes of themselves isn’t shallow. That’s what you’re missing. You’re ranting about personality when many of the traits that are needed to maintain a good physical appearance are attractive personality traits. Thinks like moderation, time management, routines, commitment, effort, self control etc. Just like holding down a job does the same thing. Shows youre dependable, you finish what you start, people like to work with you etc. They’re a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 06:12 PM
2	Should a woman who has lost significant amounts of weight give men who did not want her a chance after weight loss? Which is the issue. Shallow for thee but not for me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 06:06 PM
1	Should a woman who has lost significant amounts of weight give men who did not want her a chance after weight loss? Sure. And that’s your prerogative. Doesn’t make other people shallow because their standards are different. Sure because everyone could be the exception. But just like I won’t give a woman a hard time for not wanting to date a man who is unemployed and living with parents I’m not going to give men shit either. Reddit really needs to learn the phrase “exceptions prove the rule”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 04:45 PM
6	Should a woman who has lost significant amounts of weight give men who did not want her a chance after weight loss? Yeah. This is literally no different than a guy who was unemployed getting a job. I seriously doubt anyone would seriously call a woman shallow if she didn’t want to date a man who was unemployed living with his parents. Very few guys that get a career and get their shit together are going to whine. And those that do have the woe is me mentality anyways.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 04:43 PM
9	Should a woman who has lost significant amounts of weight give men who did not want her a chance after weight loss? Yes because women are all incapable of losing baby weight. We all know that. That baby weight is totally still baby weight 8 years after your last kid.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 04:40 PM
2	Should a woman who has lost significant amounts of weight give men who did not want her a chance after weight loss? How is that any different than a man sitting around jobless playing video games? What if they suffer from depression, what if they’re also a care taker for elderly parents? We can play this stupid exceptions game all we want. The vast majority of jobless men in their parents basement are the exceptions I gave just as the majority of obese people aren’t eating healthy , exercising, sticking to routine. That’s just reality. Yes we can make some snap moral judgments on people based on appearance. J…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 04:31 PM
2	Should a woman who has lost significant amounts of weight give men who did not want her a chance after weight loss? Yeah I’d ask them if they would date someone who showed up to dinner wearing a crusty dirty t shirt and sweats and a baseball cap for a first date. Don’t women all the time say they want a guy with good hygiene and dresses well? Why does expecting a partner to take care of themselves and try to look their best become a third rail the minute you include weight?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 04:26 PM
2	Should a woman who has lost significant amounts of weight give men who did not want her a chance after weight loss? Yup. Are there people that are 100% shallow and expecting their wife to lose baby weight 2 days after giving birth? Sure. However to me obesity and wanting to look good for your partner is more of a sign of effort than it it’s just purely physical attraction. That’s what I think lots of people overlook when they think it’s shallow. Women all the time say they want a guy with good hygiene. I doubt many people men or women would want to date someone who shows up with a stained t shirt sweats and a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 04:18 PM
3	What to do with the libido gap? How much of a man’s sex drive is his own responsibility? As current state of the people I. This thread. 100%. Or are you ignoring the “just jerk off” comments? If he wants more sex than his wife, how much is it fair to let that interfere with his relationship? Entirely depends how often it’s happening. Or do you think women don’t also want to fuck their spouses? Why should we automatically default to the person who wants it the least? Why is their choice the final decision? Also are the men lett…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 10:41 PM
4	What to do with the libido gap? It no different then when women for a change are asked to pay, ask out, take initiative etc. they often get very angry and upset about it. It’s a fundamental lack of empathy and hypocrisy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 07:54 PM
1	What to do with the libido gap? Yup. There’s a complacency gap. I’m a new relationship she has to try and keep them interested for commitment. It’s no different than when people break up but now magically find the time to work out and get in shape that they claimed they didn’t beforehand. No it’s because they want to find a new partner and need to actually put in effort again.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 07:45 PM
6	What to do with the libido gap? Let’s take that as truth and at face value. The next logical question is how much of that becomes your partners responsibility vs your own? How responsible for your own emotional state are you? Is your partner supposed to make sure your needs are 100% taken care of before you take care of theirs? If you’re stressed let’s say because of work, is that fair to then let that interfere with your relationship effectively taking it out on your partner? If you’re upset because your friend is being diffi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 07:38 PM
2	What to do with the libido gap? Your first paragraph makes no sense. Makes perfect sense. Women complain about men not pulling their weight domestically. Men complain about women not pulling weight when it comes to love and affection. It’s really simple. Women pull their weight after work men usually don't. They think their work ends once they clock out of work. Nonsense. Men still by and large bring in the lions share of the money in most relationships even where both partners work. You’re pretending both are putting in equal…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 06:18 PM
2	What to do with the libido gap? My point is at what level of responsibility requires her to also get herself in the mood? What steps is she taking to reciprocate love and affection? Is she a grown adult in a healthy relationship where both should be contributing or is she selfish like a child? What kind of selfish person says no love and affection for you unless all my needs are met first at all times and then you have to dance like a trained monkey until I’m satisfied before I allow you to feel love and affection from me? Whe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 05:44 PM
2	What to do with the libido gap? Nahhh see you’re making a huge double standard and a bunch of caveats to make her seem like the victim at all times which is precisely my point. You don’t get to whine about a partner neglecting things you desire in a relationship while neglecting them too. I could easily say what if the man is staying in shape, does help around the house and the kids and pulls his weight, if the wife still doesn’t sleep with him then it’s her fault for her low libdo and she needs to step it up and take responsi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 05:29 PM
10	What to do with the libido gap? Yes I hate this idea that if there’s a problem in the relationship it’s automatically assumed to be the man’s fault or his responsibility to fix. Why do we assume if she’s not in the mood he’s doing something wrong? I believe it’s because men are socially expected to be the initiator of almost everything when it comes to dating. He’s supposed to ask her out, take her out, provide for her etc. therefore if there’s an issue even if it’s her fault, we expect him to do what he’s always done up until…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 02:31 PM
5	What to do with the libido gap? Yes and it will somehow still be the fault of the man or it’s his responsibility to fix it. That’s the issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 02:16 PM
1	What to do with the libido gap? At least you’re consistent. I argue the reactions to men not getting the sex they want vs women not getting the domestic labor they want is wildly different generally and only further reinforces the idea that if there’s a mismatch in the relationship the burden of fixing it or taking the blame falls on the man. It’s much more socially acceptable to tell a guy to go jerk off (people are literally doing it in this thread) than it is to tell a woman just quit whining and just do the chores yourself…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 01:52 PM
4	What to do with the libido gap? Would you make the same argument to a woman complaining that she does more of the domestic duties? Or if her husband or boyfriend etc does help but has a lower acceptableness of what clean is? Should she equally just “suck it up”?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 01:34 PM
1	Why do you think marriage for couples who were cohabiting before marriage do not last long. 100%. Couldn’t have said it better myself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 01:07 AM
2	Why do you think marriage for couples who were cohabiting before marriage do not last long. Yeah you almost have 2 extremes and neither are good. You have the people getting married because “well we’ve already don’t all these other things it’s just the next step like our friends” But there are people where if you can’t figure out in dating someone for 6 years, if you would marry them or not, you have some serious commitment issues and either need to break up and move on or grown a spine and figure your shit out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 12:23 AM
1	Why do you think marriage for couples who were cohabiting before marriage do not last long. Yup. They’re playing house as adults without any of the commitment. Living together for a year before engagement? Yup likely ok. Living together for 6+ years I would start to ask “why are you both afraid of commitment?” What more do you need to see? What more are you going to learn in year 7 that you didn’t find out in year 6? It’s almost a bigger red flag. I also think people mistake that being compatible in lifestyle means you’ll be good in a marriage where in my opinion it’s the opposite. Wha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/23 10:51 PM
2	Why do you think marriage for couples who were cohabiting before marriage do not last long. Yes exactly. I’m glad you got lucky as you did. To me it’s almost a red flag in and of itself. Are you so scared of commitment that you’re willing to make horrifically risky decisions for short term financial happiness? Like why are you so afraid of marriage? (Not talking about you in particular but in the abstract). It blows my mind that you’ll have people that have been dating for 6+ years and will think they should commit to buying property together before committing to each other. It’s putti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/23 10:43 PM
0	Why do you think marriage for couples who were cohabiting before marriage do not last long. Exactly. It’s fucking idiotic. If the piece of paper is so meaningless then why not just do it then is always my rebuttal. If you’re married and you husband contributes 70% of the mortgage and you contribute 30% you’re still entitled to a split level of assets 50/50 and you can be forced to sell or buy out the partner. Now if you’re not married he could easily claim he gets 70% of the proceeds or sale. Or worse if he doesn’t want to move, you could be stuck paying a mortgage you no longer legall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/23 10:34 PM
13	Why do you think marriage for couples who were cohabiting before marriage do not last long. To expand on that. Not just expectations and inertia but that by coupling your lives like that before you’re married makes it much harder for them to break up. Someone has to move out quickly, you have to divide furniture etc. it’s almost like a divorce without any of the legal protections. The people I can’t even begin to comprehend are the ones who are buying houses or condos together without being married. If those relationships go south it could very easily be worse than a bad divorce. If yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/23 07:59 PM
1	Never-married single moms, even if they are good moms, took a very selfish decision Everyone’s parents fucks them up one way or another. I think my parents did a good job and I’m glad they are both happy now That’s your prerogative. I disagree that it’s selfish. Staying together for the kids never works. My husbands parents divorced once they were all adults (youngest 26) and he says he wishes they divorced earlier then they wouldn’t have seen all the fighting and they could have moved on and found someone to share their life with. Sorry but you’re simply wrong it’s the very de…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 11:57 PM
2	Never-married single moms, even if they are good moms, took a very selfish decision Well if I had an equal chance of being fucked up if my parents had stayed together as I did when they divorced then I’m glad they divorced because at least now they can both be happy which they are. That doesn’t mean they still didn’t fuck you up. Life is too short to stay in a marriage you are unhappy in even if you have kids. Bullshit. This is the definition of being selfish. You’re placing your personal happiness of the long term well being and healthy development of your kids. Divorce isn’t …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 11:07 PM
2	Never-married single moms, even if they are good moms, took a very selfish decision Despite what all the people who will claim they wish their parent had got divorced will say, the evidence, not ancedotes, says that the single greatest predictor of good life outcomes for your children is for the parents to be married. I literally spelled this out that your anecdote doesn’t make your claim the truth. You also didn’t read the meta analysis saying the exact opposite of what your claiming that is linked in this thread. Kids are adaptable sure but that doesn’t mean you’re neglecting…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 10:43 PM
6	Never-married single moms, even if they are good moms, took a very selfish decision Except the fact marriage rates are already at all time lows. People will have kids and cohabitate for years instead of marrying despite the fact it’s never been easier to divorce than ever. I would argue that my solution has nothing to do with changing the divorce laws but changing the culture around marriage and children first. If we as a culture treat marriage vows as meaningless to begin with no amount of legislation will fix that. Or at the very least, if we don’t want to touch divorce laws,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 08:18 PM
3	Never-married single moms, even if they are good moms, took a very selfish decision “Nearly three decades of research evaluating the impact of family structure on the health and well-being of children demonstrates that children living with their married, biological parents consistently have better physical, emotional, and academic well-being. Pediatricians and society should promote the family structure that has the best chance of producing healthy children. The best scientific literature to date suggests that, with the exception of parents faced with unresolvable marital viole…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 07:02 PM
3	Never-married single moms, even if they are good moms, took a very selfish decision Yes I do. Deadbeat dads are scum. Both have destroyed the idea of marriage being about creating families and the stable raising of kids. Notice my advice in my last comment was gender neutral? That’s because we all share the responsibility.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 06:51 PM
3	Never-married single moms, even if they are good moms, took a very selfish decision You’d likely be right because having the father involved contributes a lot to the healthy development of most kids. A divorced family with both parents involved is still much better than no dad. However having divorced parents still affects a child’s development in negative ways compared to non divorced. However life is complicated and we shouldn’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Dad staying in the picture regardless of familial status is the best thing to strive for if we can’t get a culture …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 05:07 PM
3	Never-married single moms, even if they are good moms, took a very selfish decision You don’t think that people deserve to feel in love? Not if it puts your kids in a greater position of worse life outcomes which divorcing does. What if he is just taking her for granted but is not actually being abusive? Then work to solve it. Trivially divorcing because you place your own happiness over your kids best interest is selfish. There’s no other way to cut it. Despite what all the people who will claim they wish their parent had got divorced will say, the evidence, not ancedotes, say…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 03:33 PM
2	Never-married single moms, even if they are good moms, took a very selfish decision When exactly did your government pay for children to not live in poverty by paying cs and for education? You understand our government pay for public school for all kids until 12th grade? You understand our government dating all the way back to the great society and “war on poverty” has spent over a trillion dollars in the last 50 years on programs for people in poverty? Including things like the child income tax credit? All the while the single motherhood rate since the inception of those progr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 03:26 PM
1	Never-married single moms, even if they are good moms, took a very selfish decision You understand not letting children live in poverty for the sins of their fathers but helping them with sufficient funds and education will make for better adults, loyal to a system that helped them? You’re kidding right? Single motherhood is the greatest predictor of a kid having negative life outcomes from dropping out of school, prison, mental health issues, drug addiction etc. this is all independent of actual income. A poor 2 parent household still has better life outcomes for kids than a r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 02:40 PM
2	Never-married single moms, even if they are good moms, took a very selfish decision You don’t have to incentivize anyone….already only half the children entitled to cs get it. Yes and if they feel the taxpayer will pick up the tab. Even more of them will. So I choose helping children over trying to fix adults. Because you’re thinking horrifically more short sided. How does it help children to incentivize even more dads to become deadbeats? You’re only making the problem worse. You understand every time you subsidize something you get more of it right? You subsidize deadbeat beh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 02:24 PM
1	Never-married single moms, even if they are good moms, took a very selfish decision The problem is humans respond to financial incentives. All this would do is incentivize those said deadbeats to continue to do so or more of the men become deadbeats because they will see the government will pick up the tab as long as they can evade. The best way to not create deadbeats is to incentivize the parents sticking together. Texas for example is proposing a bill that would increase a child tax deduction but only for married couples as a good example.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 02:06 PM
-2	Never-married single moms, even if they are good moms, took a very selfish decision I think that they easily could be but it entirely depends on the reason they’re divorcing. Considering kids do better in all life outcomes from all our data available in 2 parent married households, if the mother left because she lets say stopped feeling the spark with her current husband, yes I would classify that as selfish. If it was because of abuse then no. It’s all context dependent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 02:00 PM
3	Most men who are so worried about their gf past partners are projecting Sure can certain behaviors change? Yes. However talk to any addict and they’ll tell you just because you’re clean doesn’t mean you’re forever sober. Just because it’s not always true doesn’t mean it’s a damn strong prediction of future behavior. And from a simple cost benefit analysis, do I pick someone in the hope they change (don’t people cry all the time that trying to change someone is a bad thing) or take someone who doesn’t have those issues in the first place? That’s like getting mad at s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/23 10:38 PM
1	Why do think so many single and childless women get hated on when they showcase their daily lives He didn't need to create new humans, who have to live in a society he doesn't like. Yes let’s let society die out and rob people of long term personal fulfillment because we don’t like the current state of affairs. There's a lot I don't like about society, but I thought especially for Americans freedom is suchba precious thing, no? Yeah and I’m sure you do nothing at all to try and fix those things. If we had that attitude gay marriage would still be outlawed. And is he hurting her freedom by cr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/23 03:42 PM
1	Why do think so many single and childless women get hated on when they showcase their daily lives Yes because the culture that affects the environment kids are raised in shouldn’t be any of his concern right? Or do you believe culture has 0 effect on people’s socialization? Edit: I’d also like to add if those adults don’t want to get comments on their life choices then don’t publicly post your life online for comment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/23 02:13 AM
2	Why do think so many single and childless women get hated on when they showcase their daily lives Because we don’t live in a moral relativist world where all decisions are equal. Not all lifestyles are equal. If a man values getting drunk and blowing all their money on onlyfans girls, are they contributing the same to the world as someone who owns a business has a family and volunteers for the special Olympics in their free time?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/23 12:43 AM
-5	Why do think so many single and childless women get hated on when they showcase their daily lives That’s exactly what people on this thread are missing. They’re creating a strawman. Matt Walsh even says not everyone needs to have a family or get married. But if you’re not going to, at least do something for the world with all that free time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 10:57 PM
1	Why do think so many single and childless women get hated on when they showcase their daily lives There are plenty of men on the internet who „brag“ about not having kids. I am sure he could have found someone but in he went after a really small creator who does nothing but speak about her daily life. Sure but nowhere to the same extent. And so what? She’s publicly blogging about her life and he originally made a single tweet. It was a nothingburger until people like you freaked out over it. By the way, she never said that that would fulfill her but what is she supposed to do? When things do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 09:32 PM
0	Why do think so many single and childless women get hated on when they showcase their daily lives I thought having kids is women’s purpose……a gift from god and all that jazz. So shouldn’t it be the best thing to have kids and wouldn’t they make up for everything you can’t do? That’s the claim he’s making but you’re making this gendered when it isn’t. He talks about how it’s men’s purpose as well to start a family and strive to provide for that family. The only reason he calls it out is because men don’t go bragging about how wonderful not having kids are on TikTok all the time. Sorry to tell…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 09:13 PM
-4	Why do think so many single and childless women get hated on when they showcase their daily lives Because everything she talks about doing things because she’s single and childless as the only reason she can do so. It’s almost like nobody here actually read and watched Matt Walsh’s response. If you’re bragging about all the cool things you get to do and say it’s because you have no kids you’re trying to rub it in the face of the women who do. It would be like a rich person driving a Ferrari through a ghetto yelling out “hey look at this car none of you will ever afford.” It’s because she men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 08:45 PM
-6	Why do think so many single and childless women get hated on when they showcase their daily lives Why do people care about cultural issues that don’t directly affect them? This is like childless people whining about paying for schools. He has 6 kids that he would rather be raised in a culture that doesn’t see selfish pursuits as the highest form of existence. If you actually listen to him and others he never even says everyone needs to be married or have kids. Not everyone is called to do that. But he criticizes instead of your singleness being used to make your mark on the world like a Niko…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 06:37 PM
–	Personality does not matter to women as much as everyone tells you They both are part of the resume. Attractive is minimum years of experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 06:31 PM
–	Personality does not matter to women as much as everyone tells you That’s fine. Explain then how flour will help someone develop better skills? Much easier to tell someone “work on your resume and use your interviewing skills” that’s translates much closer to dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 06:30 PM
–	Personality does not matter to women as much as everyone tells you I think that’s a good comparison but I got one better. All dating problems can be boiled down to an equivalent job and career problem. In this case, being nice is like a resume. Nobody has ever got a job based solely off the resume. It will get you the interview however. It gets your foot in the door essentially. I like using business analogies because it’s much easier to get the opposite sex to understand it and it gives you a model on how to actually get better. Working on your elevator pitch …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 05:38 PM
2	Why don’t men just do what women do? Oh fuck off with this double speak. First women whine about how men need to be more emotional and open up and be vulnerable. Except when they do you whine “yOuR pArTnEr IsNT yOuR tHeRaPist” How about instead of shitting on how men handle their relationships and friendships in this damned if you do either way you just instead stop? if women are going to speak out of both sides of their mouths then then should actually stop giving feedback.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/23 01:40 PM
3	Bluepill is mostly right on relationships, Redpill is mostly right on dating and meeting new people Sounds an awful lot like our current dating market	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/23 08:19 PM
5	Bluepill is mostly right on relationships, Redpill is mostly right on dating and meeting new people The majority of it are nothing platitudes to sound like you’re doing something without having to actually do it. Just like everything else these days on social media.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/23 06:59 PM
10	Bluepill is mostly right on relationships, Redpill is mostly right on dating and meeting new people Nah. They both have some truths and some faults to them. However, blue pill as right for relationships for the most part is terribly untrue. You claim blue talks about personality and compatibility but then get what makes good compatibility horrifically wrong. Instead everyone should focus on the economic pill. Not blue or red. Basically the skills to land a job are the same skills when dating, and the best career advice is equivalent to the best dating advice. Approach dating like a job hunting…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/23 06:00 PM
–	How to use child subsidies to end the fertility crisis AND smash the gender roles people hate Plus the person you’re responding too doesn’t get that it does take years for it to start because growing old or having kids takes time. The problem is it’s like a Boulder rolling down a hill, once it gets going it’s much harder to stop namely because if you had a baby boom, it’s minimum 18 years before they’re contributing in the workforce to pick up the load.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/23 05:42 PM
2	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment It can be a shitty situation either way. Ideally the women who don’t think they should give their partner romance, intimacy, or sex in a relationship should do everyone a favor and simply not date. But expecting selfish people to not be selfish would be like trying to prevent it from snowing in Alaska apparently.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 01:10 AM
3	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment No, a married woman with a kid will likely be in a worse mood if her partner isn't helping out with the home. Sure. So why would he marry her and have kids if she expects him to contribute and jump through hoops. You can call it want you want but that’s what it is. A rando at a bar has nothing to do with the (good) mood of a single (presumably child-free) woman he happens to intersect while at leisure. So therefore why does that married woman’s mood suddenly become contingent on a bunch of chore…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 08:05 PM
3	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment I don’t think anyone is expecting the husband to solve health issues revolving around sex unless he’s an actual doctor. Literally there’s a women in this thread telling men to just suck it up and deal with the fact her hormones are creating the new normal and it he has to adjust. That’s the problem. Her health problems are harming the relationship but he has to just suck it up. It’s more that he should put in effort to get her in the mood. Otherwise a lot of the time it’s just not gonna happen. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 07:56 PM
2	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment Yes by she’s the only one here changing the expectation. She’s getting what she wants while no longer contributing. That’s being selfish. Sure they can both end it but she should be the one if she’s not attracted to him any longer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 07:24 PM
3	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment Aside from the obvious point that there are many women who do not engage in casual sex, the main difference is that the man who is hooking up with her at random is a guy who happened to be in the right place at the right time when she was in the right mood and circumstances to actually do something like that. So clearly the jumping through hoops is actually irrelevant to her mood if another guy doesn’t have to jump through the same ones to get sex and intimacy? You’re making their argument even …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 07:05 PM
6	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment So kids and leases are fine for her to stay in a relationship because she’s benefiting from him being there but he needs to just suck it up and no longer get sex because she doesn’t want to contribute to that anymore? Talk about selfish and entitled. If you no longer want to have sex with him then divorce him. Don’t continue to extract simply because you benefit from it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 06:58 PM
0	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment You can stop whatever you want but don’t be surprised when your spouse feels like you did so out of retaliation for their decision and no longer feels safe with you. Because not sleeping with your spouse because he left dishes isn’t the sink isn’t being done out of retaliation? That’s adorable. Marriage is a contract to be legally and financially bound. That contract has no clause about sex because it’s not something you mandate because sex is fundamentally a choice. So he owes you financial sup…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 06:56 PM
7	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment Sex is a joint endeavor and requires effort on both sides Agreed. but it seems like men expect women to get themselves into the mood by osmosis so that they can fuck after coming home from work. This is nonsense. Women also expect men to do all the work to get her in the mood. It goes both ways. If you want him to do 50-50 In The housework then you’re 50-50 responsible for getting yourself in the mood. It’s just not realistic and expecting your partner who just went through something as difficul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 06:39 PM
8	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment Exactly. Why wouldn’t you leave the man you no longer want to have sex with?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 06:33 PM
12	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment I’m playing devils advocate but I’m assuming he’s talking about how women will say things like “he needs to be a good partner and contribute” to get her in the mood but many women when single will sleep with a guy quickly that isn’t doing any of that. When a girl goes home with a guy from a bar is it because she saw how well he cleaned a floor or burped a baby? The implication is that choreplay isn’t actually what gets women in the mood or necessary for sexual attraction. He’s not 100% correct b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 06:31 PM
3	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment Nobody said it is your spouse's sole responsibility. They’re not saying it directly but it’s 100% implied. What they did say is that a man who is a good partner is more sexually enticing than one who is not. Sure I don’t disagree with that. But it’s not his responsibility to always be the one doing the enticing. A women making a man jump through hoops like a trained monkey isn’t enticing as a partner either. A man who doesn't sit around letting his wife taking care of everything and is proactive…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 06:20 PM
6	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment Why is it the sole job of the men to be romantic and get her in the mood? Do women feel they have no responsibility to contribute to ensure their own sex life is healthy? Seems really entitled and selfish.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 06:10 PM
11	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment No and while he’s way too extreme, the premise of it’s your spouses sole responsibility to ensure you’re in the mood comes across as a little entitled and selfish. It’s also your responsibility to get yourself in the mood too. For example some women have hormone imbalances after child birth that can kill libido. Is it their husbands job to get them to see a doctor to help fix that? If women expect men to listen when sex is supposed to be enjoyable for both of them, then women also should share i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 06:06 PM
1	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment You have a legal obligation to your kids, not your spouse. This is simply not true. Marriage is a contract. Your debts for example become theirs. You're not required to do a single for your spouse. Nonsense. If you have this attitude. Don’t date or get married because you’re clearly too selfish to be in a healthy relationship. Go ask anyone happily married for 20+ years if they have your attitude. You will go to prison for not taking care of your kids, because you made them. You will also pass o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 05:05 PM
3	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment No, he can live in filth and he's not owed her cleaning it either. If he wants her to make an effort he needs to do so also. He’s not expecting her to do so. If she doesn’t like his living standard she should suck it up. No, but he owes his kids. They're his responsibility too. Why does he owe his kids? I thought we don’t owe anyone anything after all? No. He never owed that. Sure sounds like that person would be considered selfish to not help out his spouse. Is she paying part of the mortgage? …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 04:45 PM
4	Nobody owes anyone sex, but it’s a reasonable expectation if there’s commitment By that logic you could say that about a million other things. Does a man owe you help in a shared space? Does he owe you help with taking care of kids? Does he owe you to help take care of your elderly family members that aren’t his? Or does the husband owe you to put your name on the house? Or owe you money in a divorce? If a wife stops sleeping with her husband can he stop paying for anything he doesn’t want to I. The household? He makes his own meals for himself, only pays for his car, only …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 04:23 PM
0	Men have allowed modern dating to become how it is by never refusing to date women, no matter how bad her past/heavy her baggage. Which they already do based on most household income stats. I agree it brings it closer but all im saying it’s it will never be 50-50. It’s a theoretical ideal that never would actually happen in real life. So to me it’s perfect toy reasonable to say because women do more child care men need to contribute more finically. That’s perfectly fine. But then we need to stop this nonsense of women claiming they contribute 50-50 because they split some bills, just like how dumb it sounds when men say th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 07:28 PM
0	Men have allowed modern dating to become how it is by never refusing to date women, no matter how bad her past/heavy her baggage. You’re right, a man can’t be 50/50 during pregnancy, childbirth, and breast feeding. Cool and you’re not disproving my point. And not all couples are always in that stage of life and they’re still not 50-50 when that’s the case. If that’s not 50/50 why do you expect all other areas to be. Men should be picking up the slack elsewhere. Are you dense? I literally am the one saying I don’t expect it to be 50/50. Men are picking up the slack if they contribute more financially which is the majority o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 07:21 PM
2	Marriage Counseling, Choreplay, Perception, and “Equal Partnerships”. And while that happens I’m saying it can equally flip that the women want to nitpick and micromanage and the guy throws his hands up. This isn’t a simple men bad like you’re making it out to be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 07:02 PM
7	Marriage Counseling, Choreplay, Perception, and “Equal Partnerships”. Or the opposite happens. The women are neurotic that if you clean something it has to be done exactly her way and exactly to her standard and anything else isn’t acceptable. Folding clothes is a perfect example. Therefore the man throws in the towel that if you’re going to nitpick, micromanage, or criticize any attempt at helping I’d rather not do it. If I’m going to catch shit for it either way why even bother in the first place. This idea that it’s always the men’s fault is nonsense. Couples n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 06:15 PM
0	Men have allowed modern dating to become how it is by never refusing to date women, no matter how bad her past/heavy her baggage. But my point is that’s one aspect. Most couples don’t all make the same income and therefore not all expenses are ever going to be fully 50-50. Splitting rent and certain expenses can make it closer to 60-40 but there is no such thing as 50-50.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 05:56 PM
0	Men have allowed modern dating to become how it is by never refusing to date women, no matter how bad her past/heavy her baggage. 50-50 is a myth. Your friends probably have a closer to a 60-40 but there’s no such thing as a perfect 50-50 marriage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 03:47 PM
3	Men have allowed modern dating to become how it is by never refusing to date women, no matter how bad her past/heavy her baggage. Not even that. Taking half the initiative, planning have the dates, etc. I’m reality the 50-50 relationship is a myth. Some might be closer to 60-40 than 100-0 but there’s no such thing as a true 50-50 despite what the person you responded to thinks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 03:46 PM
0	Testing a potential partner with no sex, while having casual sex/hook ups with other guys before, makes no sense objectively speaking People should have sex when both people are comfortable. Maybe she needs to build a connection to the man before having sex so she can bond. All of this sounds great. Hookup sex is normally alcohol driven and also its less about the women complete enjoyment. That’s fine. But casual sex comes with consequences. Just like other decisions we make with alcohol. If she had a few hookups does that mean she is forever suppose to give sex to a man she is talking to right away because its not fair to him…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/23 03:03 PM
2	Testing a potential partner with no sex, while having casual sex/hook ups with other guys before, makes no sense objectively speaking People should have sex when both people are comfortable. Maybe she needs to build a connection to the man before having sex so she can bond. All of this sounds great. Hookup sex is normally alcohol driven and also its less about the women complete enjoyment. That’s fine. But casual sex comes with consequences. Just like other decisions we make with alcohol. If she had a few hookups does that mean she is forever suppose to give sex to a man she is talking to right away because its not fair to him…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/23 03:02 PM
1	What is the big deal about submission? Except my contention with your point wasn’t about that. My contention was about the idea of 50/50 that you claimed when you said Why does someone have to wear the pants?why not just work together? Again stop putting words in people’s mouths and trying reading to understand a little better. For being a bookworm you certainly should be better at this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 08:13 PM
0	What is the big deal about submission? Where did I say anything about men or women? I specifically sated you’re the one up for the promotion as the women in my example. Hence the “You’re up for a promotion.” Next time try reading a little closer. If you’re going to put words in my mouth then I’m just going to assume you’re not here to discuss but to vent and act like a pretentious ass.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 08:06 PM
1	What is the big deal about submission? Where did I say that? Please point it out to me before being a snarky ass. Hint: since I’m probably going to have to spell it out for you since I’ve seen you across this sub all the time. This isn’t me saying who should be the leader. I’m just pushing back against this idealistic notion that there won’t be one and everything will be 50/50. Life doesn’t work that way for most people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 08:03 PM
-2	What is the big deal about submission? Your partner is still allowed to have a career they worked hard for and want to continue to progress at, especially if they enjoy it. Yup and sometimes you don’t. Sometimes you have to put what’s best for your family over your own selfish ambitions. What’s more important, your career or being able to afford to send your kids to college or live in a nice school district? Some people have careers that are very location dependent and would be forced to leave it entirely if the move puts them in an …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 07:59 PM
-3	What is the big deal about submission? Depends on a lot of factors such as: Your partners ability to get a new job Promotion is more than their difference in pay. What would their pay would be? See above. How it would also affect their career prospects Why does their career prospects matter if this promotion will do more for the family? If you have children, how is would their education be affected? People move all the time. This will actually allow you to move to a better neighborhood with better schools. Proximity to family? And ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 07:37 PM
-1	What is the big deal about submission? Yup. So ultimately someone is going to have to wear the pants.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 07:34 PM
-5	What is the big deal about submission? You’re up for a promotion in another state that would require your family to move. Ultimately someone is going to have to give up their current career. Who gets to keep their job? Sometimes there isn’t a middle ground and the idea of a full 50/50 relationship for most people is rare exception.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 07:00 PM
2	Money 100% does help with dating and does compensate for shortcoming no matter what this sub says I think you’re overthinking it. Yes some people on here unrealistically think you have to be rich or hot to get a girlfriend which isn’t the case. However having those 2 things makes it so significantly easier it’s not even funny. The simplest way to think of it is does being 7 ft tall guarantee you’ll play in the NBA? No. Can someone play in the NBA if they’re not 6 ft? Yes. Would you rather be 7 ft vs 6 ft if your goal was to play in the NBA because it makes it significantly easier to do so? F…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 06:40 AM
–	What are “boundaries” to you? ..... yes. That's the obvious choice. Healthy relationships need trust. Then congrats the threat exists. Thanks for showing you’re arguing over semantics. No they don't. You are simply wrong. You can assert a boundary without even communicating that boundary. This is nonsense. If there’s no fucking consequence for breaking the boundary it functionally doesn’t exist. Therefore all boundaries carry a threat of consequences. This is simple. Example, someone is texting you speaking to you in a way t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 02:43 PM
1	What are “boundaries” to you? No I’m saying you brining in context about her claims adds nothing to the conversation. When Chris watts murdered his family and was convicted what value is added by saying “hey guys he said he didn’t do it.”	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 02:11 PM
1	What are “boundaries” to you? Because you’re taking them at face value.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 02:01 PM
1	What are “boundaries” to you? No they don’t. In the response of cheating. What happens when the person says “I don’t accept a partner who cheats on me” and the partner cheats? Do they leave? Just because the threat of “I will leave you” is being implied and not directly said doesn’t magically mean it doesn’t exist. All boundaries will require a threat of consequence in this case leaving. Simply stating it directly vs indirectly doesn’t change that simply because it upsets your feelings. How is choosing not to enter a relatio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:59 PM
1	What are “boundaries” to you? Because you’re supporting her claim it was to prevent a miscarriage. I don’t buy that excuse for a second.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:54 PM
0	What are “boundaries” to you? That’s nonsense. All boundaries carry the threat of some kind otherwise nothing would be enforced. You’re trying to draw semantics because one was said more directly and the used fluffy language.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:40 PM
1	What are “boundaries” to you? This is nonsense. You don’t have to like what he did but her excuses for waiting to leak it are just her trying to cover her ass. She’s not some hero. She’s jaded bitter person.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:38 PM
1	What are “boundaries” to you? This is nonsense. People grow and change all the time and their relationship boundaries change with it. What might be ok for dating won’t be acceptable in a marriage. A girl I’m dating for 2 months I’m not going to care if she goes out drinking until 3 am 2 nights in a row without asking me. Once we’re married with 3 kids, yeah that becomes a run it by the other person conversation. A couple could have been big pot smokers in college and would skip class to do it. Then when get older and now hav…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:30 PM
1	What are “boundaries” to you? That’s literally what happened in the Jonah hill situation and people absolutely called it abusive. They said it was giving ultimatums.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:17 PM
1	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make Yup. It’s why I don’t buy the bullshit “we want men who earn as much as us.” Nonsense Im seeing the on the thread. It’s a feel good platitude that doesn’t work out when push comes to shove. Someone will always be more of a provider or caretaker. There’s no marriage that is going to be perfectly 50/50 over the course of 30+ years.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 03:50 AM
1	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make Roughly equal is a utopian nonsense fantasy. You can have 2 people start at $40K but with wildly different careers and trajectories, after 30 years of marriage and life events nobody ever is actually equal. Layoffs, career sacrifices for kids, moving, different career ceilings etc. There’s always going to be someone who does more providing and the other more caretaking in the vast majority of relationships. Therefore wanting someone at your exact level now is a fleeting lack of foresight and ter…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 03:44 AM
2	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make My parents have been together for 25 years, they make roughly equal. And my parents have been together for 40 and they don’t. My mom out earns my dad. Anecdotes aren’t data. And the majority of careers don’t have the same ceiling. It is how it can work lmao, people just don't want to put the work in it. Nonsense. You’re loving a fantasy ducking world where all jobs have the same earning potential and ceilings. Where kids don’t exist and require sacrifice to careers. Just because some couples can…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 03:35 AM
6	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make Is more survivor bias.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 02:04 AM
2	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make Wanting a partner that makes roughly the same as you is fine,men should do it(and mostly do it) too. No it’s not because it’s fleeting. If you’re together for 30+ years you’ll have different career trajectories and nobody is going to be 100% equal during that time period. Especially if kids come into play which requires career sacrifice. Dude,men not being providers doesn't mean Women should provide for men. Both should provide for themselves. Which I’ve repeated sounds great but isn’t ever how …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:56 AM
4	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make Wanting someone to make roughly the same as you isn't bad. It is if you’re trying to break gender expectations and roles. If more women are getting college degrees and out earning men in many fields the math simply doesn’t work out. Most Women don't want a provider, they are fine with someone that just pays half. This is nonsense. Explain why women want someone just as educated as them? If it was just about half then why wouldn’t they date the mechanic or plumber? You are litterallly just taking…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:52 AM
1	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make Maybe if you read it you’d understand I’m not saying you’re a clown I’m saying expecting your partner to dance to make you not bored is expecting them to be a clown. I disagree. Not all problems are your partners responsibility. Again like the Low T example. What’s the responsibility of the wife if her husband has low T? Inject his TRT for him? No that’s his problem not his wife’s to fix. He needs to go to the doctor and get his shit figured out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:44 AM
2	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make No one is talking about getting bored occasionally on Sunday night. Yes they are. There’s going to be times for example you might be bored for even a few years. When you have young kids and your responsibilities and free time get tied up into them. No one is talking about getting bored on your own. That’s literally what you suggested in your other comment where it could be hormones wearing off for women. People here are talking about getting bored with your partner not putting enough efforts, i.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:42 AM
2	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make I never suggested this. Yes you did by saying Boredom is a valid reason. I agree. But if someone doesn't fix their shit. Boredom happens time and time again, never improving. Shit never getting fixed. That's when divorce happens. Because people like you don’t understand the difference between fulfillment and happiness. Boredom comes from chasing happiness 24/7 and not seeking fulfillment. Take being a parent. You think being a parent isn’t going to be boring or unhappy sometimes? But being a par…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:36 AM
3	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make For choosing to be happy instead of being dragged down by someone else? Make it make sense. Yes because you’re being selfish. If you’re unhappy because you’re bored that’s a terrible reason to be. Life isn’t always going to be exciting 24/7. A lifelong commitment is made on the idea you work through the ebbs and flows not cut and run at the first sign of being bored. Grow up. Life will sometimes get boring. Focus on fulfillment not happiness. Divorce helps people do this. Which is again cowardly…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:26 AM
1	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make If you’re going to comment about me then respond directly thanks. God forbid someone says don’t expect your partner to fix your problems for you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:21 AM
6	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make This is nonsense. Life changes and a marriage isn’t going to be sunshine and rainbows coming out your ass 24/7. You’re responsible for your own fulfillment (not happiness). Men generally always take the initiative when dating to begin with. They plan most of the dates they pay for most of them etc. we’re not trained monkey or circus entertainers. If you want to go out more, why don’t you stop being selfish and take your partner out instead? My parents have been married for 40 years. They didn’t …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:17 AM
4	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make It’s cute and adorable. Most roles will never be shared. Even with working parents. Someone will always either be more of a provider or more of a caretaker than the other. You completely ignored my 2nd paragraph which bears this out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:10 AM
5	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make Women do this by initiating a divorce. Which shows they’re lazy and cowardly if that’s the case. Life isn’t meant to be sunshine and rainbows coming out of your ass 24/7. If boredom is the reason for ending your marriage you’re fundamentally a bad person. I wasn't talking about sex. But since you brought it up. Both parties should work together to find solutions. The point wasn’t about sex you dunce. It was meant to show if the man has a problem that’s caused by him, then it’s his problem to fix…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:09 AM
5	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make This is nonsense. Absolute fucking outright nonsense. Men aren’t trained monkeys. Did you marry a partner or a circus entertainer? If you’re the one growing bored that’s fundamentally a YOU problem. It’s not up you partner to keep finding ways to entertain you like a child. Just like I said in my example, if the man is causing his dead bedroom for example that’s his problem to fix, it’s not up to his wife to figure his shit out for him. Grow the fuck up and be an adult and take responsibility fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:02 AM
4	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make I’m going to pushback on your last comment. It’s not even super conservative households. There’s articles and studies showing across the board, women want a partner the earns as much or more than them. If a woman has a college degree she won’t “settle” for a partner without one. The women are allowed to drop their gender expectations but even liberal women for the most part don’t want to be the provider for a man the way men were expected to provide. They often want the cake and eat it too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 12:58 AM
9	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make I would pushback against you and the OP because women are just as equally responsible. Women for the most part want a partner that makes as much as them or more. This isn’t even disputed scientifically. Very few women want to be a provider. They want a provider too. So it isn’t just guys who contribute to this. How many “girl bosses” or college educated women do you know that are you going to pick the plumber or mechanic over the lawyer? Why don’t the women also select for men they can provide f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 12:53 AM
3	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make Yes but if it’s something that’s your problem then get over it. If let’s say a man can’t get an erection because he has low T is it his partners responsibility to take initiative to get it fixed? No. It’s his problem that’s only fixed if he does the work. If you’re the one who gets bored and your partner through no fault of their own is still happy, that’s a you problem. So suck it up buttercup.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 12:47 AM
3	CMV: The potential negative consequences for warm approaching are much worse than for cold approaching. And that’s fair! There’s pros and cons to both. It’s no different than a company deciding to promote within or look for outside talent. There’s situations and preferences to both.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/23 10:31 PM
4	Why do a lot of men believe they will get sexier with age? Where did I say everyone had financially established? There’s some people that will never be in that position. It’s relative. A 32 year old is much less different financially than a 28 year old compared to 28 vs 22. If you don’t have your shit together by 30 then you have other issues you should sort out first. Then again this is Reddit so I’m not shocked I’m finding people think having your shit together by 30 seems like a crazy huge ask.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/23 07:13 PM
30	CMV: The potential negative consequences for warm approaching are much worse than for cold approaching. I’m of the opinion don’t shit where you eat as why warm approaches aren’t a good idea. Even if everything goes correct and you end up dating, the ultimate question is what happens if or when you break up. I have a good family friend whose daughter married the brother of her best friends husband. All their husbands friends are married to their fiends as well. All it would take is 1 of those couples to get divorced and both those sets of friend groups will implode. People will be forced to pick si…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/23 07:03 PM
1	Why do a lot of men believe they will get sexier with age? Great response 👍🏻	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/23 06:54 PM
4	Why do a lot of men believe they will get sexier with age? I agree with this. I will say there’s a window where age absolutely is a factor from about 18-30. If you’re an 18 year old college freshman it’s going to be hard to out compete a graduating senior who can legally drink. If you’re a 23 college grad still living at home starting their career, it’s going to be harder to compete against a guy who is 28 and has his own place. However once everyone gets passed about 30 it’s stops mattering as much because everyone by then mostly has a career and hopef…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/23 06:03 PM
1	Both men and women dis/like marriage the same way, but act different about it Settled out of court because if it goes to court it won’t favor the man. Again if it’s what best for the child fuck distance. Make it 50/50 standard default. If that means the man has to hamper his career to be present for his kid then do it. If it means mom can’t move away and take the kids so be it. Again I don’t give a rats ass about how the system currently works. As it currently works we have a bunch of out of wedlock kids that aren’t being raised by both parents. We have a hollow farce of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 09:02 PM
1	Both men and women dis/like marriage the same way, but act different about it It happens when one parent takes time off work. Sure they could have been married at the same status. But the main driver of the supposed wage gap is from women taking time off work to raise the kids.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 08:59 PM
1	Both men and women dis/like marriage the same way, but act different about it I don’t necessarily agree with linking parenting time to support payments (and courts seem to agree with me on this), Doesn’t mean the courts are right. You and the courts apparently have this outdated view that the primary valuable thing a father provides is money first. That you and the courts don’t deem what fathers provide outside of money worth it to the child to ensure it’s provided. because I think both elements are important to a kid’s upbringing and it can cut both directions. I wouldn’…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 07:29 PM
1	Both men and women dis/like marriage the same way, but act different about it Which is fine. And I agree. I just think a simple step to equalize family court outcomes would be to require child support has to come with visitation/custody. To me it’s quite simple, if you want full custody to you take full responsibility. If someone pays they’re entitled to seeing their kid. If there’s no evidence of abuse it should always be 50/50 period. Make it nice and simple. There’s very very few instances where there should be anything but 50/50. If you have evidence of abuse the pare…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 06:43 PM
1	Both men and women dis/like marriage the same way, but act different about it If they don't actually want to take care of the kids, then they have no reason to complain when they're awarded exactly that. I’m saying some of them fit that mold. That doesn’t mean the majority of them do. Custody shouldn’t even be “I want 100%” and expect the man to speak up. It should be by default 50/50 to receive support. You want to take full responsibility for them? That includes financial. You want the dad involved? Make him be involved. If they don't want to step up and be a parent, th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 05:49 PM
0	Both men and women dis/like marriage the same way, but act different about it Except that’s not what happens. You need to ask why the one parent might not speak up? It could be they don’t want to take care of their kids. Or it could be that they only speak up if they think they can win. If the court by default is going to favor the mother in custody then you already are fighting a losing battle from the start. Again I disagree. If you want the man to take care of the kid it can’t be just financial. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Are men more than simply paycheck…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 05:35 PM
2	Both men and women dis/like marriage the same way, but act different about it I would argue because of how society treats men and the expectations on them. When it’s driven into your head by society that you need to be a provider, that your self worth is derived for what you can do or provide, then it makes perfect sense why men would fear financial ruin. You’re essentially castrating him from everything that society tells him he’s good for. This is a great video showing how this manifests in things like depression differently. https://youtu.be/5yyWlp6sTv0 A woman post di…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 05:21 PM
-1	Both men and women dis/like marriage the same way, but act different about it Great then let the men see their kids. Child support should only exist if both parents get 50/50. You say you don’t divorce your kid but that only comes from financial support. Women are perfectly content divorcing their kid from their dad emotionally. I also don’t want to hear about uneven child care in a marriage then. It’s really hard to take seriously the cries of “be present” or “help out” when society and women treat men as if the only thing they’re useful for is a paycheck should the marr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 05:13 PM
–	What are these “ movies and media” that everyone always references for blue pill I had mentioned it if your read through and got pushback. Yeah any movie that pushes this “it’s what’s on the inside that counts.” Is bluepilled. Don’t be a shitbag but it’s definitely a trope how many movies the girl already has a fiancé who always is a rich dick, and the guy she finally gets with is the lovable loser with a heart of gold. In reality 2 things actually happen. 1) those women are never going to get with the poor lovable loser just because he’s got a heart of gold. Anyone saying t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 05:02 PM
1	What are these “ movies and media” that everyone always references for blue pill But every person is capable of making mistakes and fucking up for awhile. Sure but not everyone does. And not all mistakes are equal. Blue pillers seem to have this weird notion that everyone when young makes these extreme widely reckless decisions and fuck up their lives. Getting drunk a few nights in college while going to med school for example isn’t the same as whoring around and becoming a heroin junkie. In movies people are made to root for characters despite their fuckups that doesn’t mak…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 11:08 PM
1	What are these “ movies and media” that everyone always references for blue pill Jesus talk about a strawman. I never said no woman can be good. Im saying if this particular character is deemed a good or bad woman decides if it’s red or blue pill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 10:32 PM
4	In your opinion, is telling people not to actively search for love and let it come to you good advice? Yup. I don’t mean it jokingly. I seriously think that you can take any piece of advice or any problem in the dating market and I can find an exact replica of it in the job market. It’s honestly why I find using job analogies really useful to actually get through to people. I have a female relative that didn’t ever understand why I didn’t take her dating advice until she started job hunting this last year. Once I explained it’s exactly 1:1 like dating as a man she finally understood what I meant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 09:55 PM
2	What are these “ movies and media” that everyone always references for blue pill Sleeping with people is not "wreck[ing] their lives." It’s adorable how you actually think she didn’t fuck up her life. Ignore all the drugs, where she wanted to kill herself? If your daughter from your profile so we know you have one, grew up exactly like Jenny would you say with a straight face she didn’t fuck up her life? But sure keep thinking we’re just talking about fucking poeple. If your daughter dropped out of school to become a stripper, dated a man who abused her, became a heroin junk…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 08:17 PM
4	In your opinion, is telling people not to actively search for love and let it come to you good advice? It’s still like the job market. They just the employers not the job hunters.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 07:59 PM
7	In your opinion, is telling people not to actively search for love and let it come to you good advice? Yup it’s similar to job hunting. Don’t get caught up emotionally invested in a job you had a single interview for until there’s an offer. However, the vast majority never get a job by just working on skills but waiting for them to reach out with a job for you. You have work on your skills but still be actively applying for jobs. Same thing with dating. Honestly my hot take has always been the job market with all the problems and the skills to build your career could literally be a 1:1 parallel t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 07:25 PM
2	What are these “ movies and media” that everyone always references for blue pill No, it's not. It's a "blue pill" message (in reality, it's just common sense) that judging somebody's character based on how many people they've slept with is stupid and, since it almost exclusively applied to women, misogynistic. That’s not common sense at all. This is flat out nonsense. People that continually wreck their lives just saying “I’ve changed”doesn’t mean you should just brush how they treated you aside. They also often don’t change their lives and not everyone with bad circumstance…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 07:01 PM
1	What are these “ movies and media” that everyone always references for blue pill Not at all. Again it’s how the character is portrayed. If she’s meant to be viewed as a good person then it’s blue pill. If she’s meant to be viewed as a bad person than it’s red. Since she’s meant to be the good character we like and root for it’s absolutely blue pulled.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 06:40 PM
3	What are these “ movies and media” that everyone always references for blue pill Had Forrest said “sorry Jenny but you used me, mistreated me, strung me along, hid my kid from me for years. I’m no longer you’re friend and I can do better than you.” Do you think Hollywood would have pushed that narrative or not? was their intention to make Jenny a good or bad person by the end of the movie? If you say good then that’s blue pill. Edit: basically if the ending message is meant to make this a cautionary tale on be like Forrest but don’t end up with Jenny then it would be red pil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 05:17 PM
5	What are these “ movies and media” that everyone always references for blue pill Not only is that not a blue pill message, It absolutely is a blue pill message that her past is irrelevant. That you as a man should be open and accepting of whatever poor choices that woman has made. Don’t try and change her like Forrest did. Let her abuse your boundaries because it’s only after you accept her as she is you deserve the girl. that's not even the message of the movie. Movies can have many messages. This absolutely is one of them. That the power of love can overcome any mistakes a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 04:59 PM
5	What are these “ movies and media” that everyone always references for blue pill Just because it reinforces certain tropes of both, isn’t what makes it. It’s how the characters are portrayed. Everything you said was correct the question becomes is this portrayed as a good thing or bad thing? If jenny is portrayed as a good person and Forrest as good for taking her back, then it’s clearly blue and if it’s portrayed as he was used and she’s not a good person then it’s more red.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 04:37 PM
2	What are these “ movies and media” that everyone always references for blue pill Nah if anything that’s black pill. As long you’re hot you can be a homeless bum and women will fuck you. I would say it depends on how the characters are portrayed if it’s blue or red pill for a lot of these movies. If the women dating the lovable loser because he has a great personality is seen as the good protagonist that’s blue. If the girl gets with the hero in the end that’s much more red. Intention matters in what message is being conveyed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 04:34 PM
3	What are these “ movies and media” that everyone always references for blue pill Titanic is easily one of the worst offenders. 1) Yeah the rich successful man being an asshole, and the fiancé dumping him for the plucky homeless kid because he’s fun isn’t pushing a fantasy at all. In reality the lovable losers are often just losers, and while some successful people can be assholes, they’re just as likely as the poor people to be so. 2) a woman who went on to have a full family with another man is still in love with a guy she fucked around with for less than a week decades lat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 04:28 PM
10	What are these “ movies and media” that everyone always references for blue pill Wait around for the women who fucked up her life to come crawling back to you so you can bail her out? I’m not an either pill but are we going to play dumb to pretend that it’s not a common trope online that Jenny was a bitch and Forrest was being taken advantage by her? Edit: women complain and whine about the “nice guy” trope while not recognizing many of them are the “Jenny” trope. String a guy along and give him false hope only when it benefits you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 04:23 PM
1	Why wouldn't looks matter? See I think the big problem is this would be solved is the framing is shit and everyone does a shit job at it. Looks are the equivalent to your resume when searching for a job. A resume say nothing about how good of a worker you are, how you get along with the company culture, etc. However if your resume is shit or you don’t have the qualifications, you aren’t getting looked at. You can apply to as many jobs as you want. It won’t change the fact your odds are against you. The problem women make …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/23 10:26 PM
1	Women mostly get “the ick” over perceived shortcomings of masculinity That’s fine but then you good examples. And just because it happens doesn’t mean I can’t criticize you for it and think it’s overly picky and pretentious.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/23 04:58 PM
3	Women mostly get “the ick” over perceived shortcomings of masculinity Annoying laugh and nasty personality aren’t remotely comparable. One is superficial and has no indication on how good of a partner someone is. The other can. Breaking things off over something like a laugh is dumb and being overly pretentious and picky.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/23 04:40 PM
–	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? Yes but that’s the underlying issue. Many people think it is morally ok but they are in the minority of society. This entirely irrelevant. By that logic all poly or swingers relationships are immoral since those are the minority. Popularity as a litmus test isn’t a strong argument. You also have 0 evidence this is the minority opinion and are only speculating based on your own biases and pull stats out of your ass. The people responding are responding to the content of the requirements rather th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/23 06:59 PM
1	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? That’s interesting. Personally I see it as the content of the demands having to be morally acceptable as well. I think most people on this issue are upset about what the demands were, not the manner in which they were proposed. I disagree because that’s an opinion on taste and most people don’t have the ability to have a nuanced view of them. Theres no ask in negotiations that’s unreasonable if both parties are allowed to freely walk away. IE - If you cheat on me the relationship is over = fine …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/23 03:41 AM
1	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? To me any boundary can be controlling or not be controlling. It entirely depends on the consequence not the boundary. “I don’t want you to X because it makes me uncomfortable and I will leave if you decide to do so because we aren’t compatible.” Not controlling. “I don’t want you to do X because it makes me uncomfortable and if you be abandoning me and ruining my life if you don’t agree to it.” Controlling.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 11:39 PM
1	CMV: it’s a huge red flag for a western guy if he can’t handle girls in Western apparel and liv e in the west The starting point by PPD men is that ALL dresses are bad, ALL heels are bad, ALL jewelry is bad, etc. There have been follow-up comments here indicating that tuxedos are sexual in nature and heels as well. This is literally a straw-man. Heels can be sexual and so can tuxedos that doesn’t mean ALL of them. If this is such a common belief please kindly link multiple comments with at least 100+ upvotes to demonstrate this is the consensus. You are trying to find a precise line to argue from but un…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 10:15 PM
1	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? Yes. I would say their view based on the Jonah hill reaction is unfortunately more common than it should be based entirely on if the person they think is being asked has a cock or balls or a vagina. I don’t think asking your partner to stop the career for any reason is automatically controlling. It can be. But it’s not inherently. That is very unpopular to a large crowd on this sub and thread.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 10:07 PM
3	CMV: it’s a huge red flag for a western guy if he can’t handle girls in Western apparel and liv e in the west PPD men use the term revealing to imply that a girl is a slut or that she’s looking to sexually attract Chad. Yes and I’m saying not all outfits constitute that in the same class. There are absolutely outfits that are revealing and some that arent. That’s a subjective line but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist at all. If we use a neutral objective term of revealing such as % of skin shown then sure you can make the argument that swimsuits are revealing. There’s plenty of swimsuits that aren’t rev…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 09:56 PM
1	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? The point isn’t how good they are. The point is if someone doesn’t want to retire or quit their career is it ok to make them? The person I’m responding to what her cake and eat it too. She doesn’t think she should have to but Giselle can force Tom Brady to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 09:26 PM
5	CMV: it’s a huge red flag for a western guy if he can’t handle girls in Western apparel and liv e in the west See I don’t think you’re arguing in good faith. What constitutes social wear for a social function can varry massively. Can social wear not also be revealing at the same time? You’re acting like these are mutually exclusive things when in many instances they’re not. It’s like saying all dresses are the same. Some dresses are inherently designed to be more revealing than others.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 09:20 PM
2	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? Doesn’t matter. She wanted him to change and give it up. He didn’t want to. If forcing a partner to give up their career for any reason is controlling so is she. People are making a bunch of bullshit justifications about length of career, kids, etc. but fail to address the simple fundamental question. Can you ever ask a partner to give up their career for the relationship? Yes or no. It’s not “yes but…”or “no but…” it’s simple yes or no. From their we should be morally consistent. If it’s yes, t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 08:39 PM
1	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/14xhd0z/why_dont_women_get_heat_for_dating_careeroriented/jrp6w6y/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 06:36 PM
1	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? Literally people right now in this thread trying to tell me that asking them to give up their career for their family is wrong but what Gisele did is different.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 06:35 PM
1	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? Great then keep that same energy across the board and call them out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 06:26 PM
2	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? How many professional football players are there and how many of those reactivated after retirement? Considering 1 HOF quarterback already did it multiple times we then there’s precedent. First you claimed it didn’t happen now you’re trying to shift the goal posts again by asking how common. Doesn’t change the fact you literally argued you can’t ask someone to give up their career for the relationship for any reason. Doesn’t fucking matter how common it is. That was YOUR standard. She didn’t exp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 06:01 PM
2	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? Jonah literally pursued someone with a career where they were a bathingsuit for it. If anything , HE went back on the established norms of their relationship. Giselle’s pursed a football player and knew what that entailed. Same fucking thing. Keep the same consistency here please. Especially when he was the one literally reaching out over those very same photos. He knew what he was getting into. That's different from promising you want kids, promising you'll be an engaged parent to those kids by…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 05:57 PM
2	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? Again, I know you don’t take it in….the average professional football player stops at 27. Those who retire, do so between 35 and 40 usually. Αagain doesn’t matter. She wanted him to not be a football player. She knew what he was and expected him to change. It’s really that simple. He did retire at 44. But than reactivated. If you want to „slice it like that“, he did something nearly unheard of. This is not in any realm of reality, that she „should have known“. That’s bullshit. Hall of famer Bret…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 05:49 PM
0	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? Just like Sara initially agreed with some of Jonah’s boundaries which is evidence on the texts and then she went back on what they agreed to. She was having him review pictures to post as part of their agreement. No matter how you slice it you’re shifting the goalposts hard. She knew who he was and that he was a football player. Did she make the retirement agreement before or after they married? If it was after, then that’s changing boundaries after starting a relationship which is bad. If it wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 04:47 PM
1	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? Nope. Literally seen people on this sub in other threads saying a man asking a woman to give up some of her career for the kids is controlling and that boundaries are something you can’t change later on. You take the person as is and you can’t ask them to change regardless of kids and family. Sorry but cognitive dissonance based on the sex of the person making the ask over this topic is really sad. Very few people have been logically consistent on this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 04:37 PM
2	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? Sure but Ive literally argued with people on this thread that say you can’t change your boundaries ever once you start a relationship or it’s controlling. Literally argued with a women that said a man has no right to ever ask her to adjust her career for even her kids. By their logic it shouldn’t matter if you have a kid or not. The responses here are really showing this entire debate really is coming down to are you a man or women and is the person in question also a man or woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 04:34 PM
5	Why don't women get heat for dating career-oriented men and then complaining about how the man works long hours and is rarely at home? How is that different than any other assumption like “hey she will tone down the thirst traps now that we are dating.” I’m not justifying any of the behavior for anyone. People can set or make their own decisions for their relationships. However all the arguments you and the other person have made for Tom Brady and Gisele seem like a massive goal post shifting and reach when logically they’re a very very comparable situation. I have literally argued on this very sub with people claiming that’s i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 04:25 PM
6	doesn't the jonah hill situation and his delusional "expectations" give validity to the redpill argment to avoid promiscuous women No he’s using Sara as the argument that “don’t try and change her you knew who she was when you met her.” He’s taking that argument women are making and extrapolating it to OTHER women when they say just because she’s had causal sex doesn’t mean she won’t change. He’s pointing out the cognitive dissonance. If people can’t be changed and shouldn’t be expected to change ie sara, then why would men date promiscuous women if women can’t be changed from who they are? TL:DR He’s not saying Sara is pro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 02:39 AM
1	Jonah Hills situation is proof why men cant win. He was insecure, they broke up due to his insecurity and somehow he still needs t be condemned If you marry a girl who goes out drinking every night don’t be surprised that she still goes out to drink after you get married. Yes because people don’t do things when younger they wouldn’t do when older. That’s a totally sane and rational take. Nothing has changed other than your legal status, she is still the same person with the same interests. Bullshit. People grow up and change interests and mature all the time. They do dumb and risky things when young and it’s why we treat them and their …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 12:28 AM
1	Jonah Hills situation is proof why men cant win. He was insecure, they broke up due to his insecurity and somehow he still needs t be condemned This is nonsense. I don’t care if a girl I’ve been dating for 2 months goes out 3 nights in a row drinking with her friends. I absolutely would care if that’s my wife and we have 3 kids at home to take care of. I don’t care how a girl I’ve been dating 2 months spends her money. I absolutely would care if my wife is going to be taking large amounts of money of a joint bank account we both put our money in. Boundaries absolutely can grow and mature because we as humans grow and mature.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 09:27 PM
–	Are women who get in relationships with men who watch porn or occasionally like insta photos of hot women abusively controlling? Don't date drug addicts. Both people in this scenario do drugs. Because relationships almost never 'develop' in the way you're thinking. You’re right people never have wild phases in college and then settle down in their marriages. That never ever happens. People entrenched in their bad habits at the start of a relationship generally don't change. It is not your job to fix them. This is nonsense. Plenty of people party and have fun when they’re young grow up and mature. It happens constantly. Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 05:17 PM
–	Are women who get in relationships with men who watch porn or occasionally like insta photos of hot women abusively controlling? Are there never any boundaries in your mind that can be expected to change at all as the relationship develops? 2 colleges students were big pot smokers and would skip class in school can’t possibly expect their partner to not skip work to get high down the road when the have 3 kids and mortgage to take care of?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 04:48 PM
3	Women look at the men they are dating glass half empty, while men look at them glass half full Then we disagree. Even your response shows you don’t understand. I disagree. That doesn’t mean I don’t understand. I said women value platonic intimacy more than men and your response is “unh unhhh I personally have better friendships than women” which is not what I said to begin with. You’re the one who doesn’t understand. If women value platonic intimacy more then women I know wouldn’t treat their friends terribly. The gossip, they can be passive aggressive, they’re jealous. If that’s how some…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 02:51 PM
2	The Jonah Hill discourse is a display of many men not knowing the difference between “boundary” and “controlling” Ahhh yes because any uncomfort and expressing boundaries is worth ending a relationship over. I forgot that you’re totally a sane human being. Yup you partner is smoking around the kids and instead of having a discussion with them you should just divorce. That’s totally the healthy approach. Clearly you’re a well adjusted human.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 02:35 PM
8	Women look at the men they are dating glass half empty, while men look at them glass half full I led with the “not compulsorily horny 24/7.” This is why women are able to I guess value platonic intimacy more than men based on the consistent responses I’m seeing like yours from men. Disagree. All my platonic intimacy is much better than most women I know based on how they treat their so called friends. In the other comment I shared, when a woman was touch starved and intimacy starved, she craved friendships first. Not being fucked by a dude. That’s the difference between men and women. The…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 02:33 PM
8	Women look at the men they are dating glass half empty, while men look at them glass half full Imagine you weren’t compulsorily horny 24/7, Valid not touch-starved (your friends and loved ones hug and snuggle you), See I come from an Italian heritage which isn’t short on family and friends showing physical affection. That doesn’t replace the touch from a partner. Trying to say this is good enough or someone feeling a need or want for a partner doesn’t mean they’re touch starved. and not intimacy starved (you have deep bonds and regular IRL interaction with friends and family). I have deep…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 01:28 PM
2	The Jonah Hill discourse is a display of many men not knowing the difference between “boundary” and “controlling” So whats the fucking alternative? You’re going to call him bad for leaving a relationship so what’s he supposed to do? Either put up with something you find uncomfortable because breaking up is now a threat and not ok? Your dumb logic would mean telling your wife that you would leave if she cheated on you is wrong? In fact I would argue refusing to let someone leave because they believe you’re violating their boundaries is more abusive that whatever nonsense you’re thinking of.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 02:16 AM
–	The Jonah Hill discourse is a display of many men not knowing the difference between “boundary” and “controlling” That’s nonsense. Boundaries absolutely can be set for others. The simplest one is you’re not allowed to fuck other people if we’re married. That’s a boundary that nobody has a problem with that controls the other persons behavior. This is a just a cope bullshit nonsense response because people don’t understand in a relationship you’re both sacrificing some autonomy for each other. I absolutely if married with a joint bank account for example can make a boundary that any purchase over $5000 out o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 11:10 PM
1	The Jonah Hill discourse is a display of many men not knowing the difference between “boundary” and “controlling” It’s also idiotic because it assumes that the cheater was a know cheater. Plenty of people never cheat then get married and do. These people expect humans to have AI predictive intelligence on future behavior. Someone can be a shitty father but a great husband but you’re never going to 100% know that until after you’ve had kids. So they idea you can’t have boundaries over things people haven’t yet done is idiotic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 10:00 PM
3	The Jonah Hill discourse is a display of many men not knowing the difference between “boundary” and “controlling” That’s how boundaries work. That’s not a threat it’s an ultimatum. Doesn’t mean they’re always good but it’s not the same thing. Is it a threat to say “if you fuck other people while we’re married I’ll leave you.”?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 09:54 PM
1	What could Jonah Hill have done better? I literally heard you the first time. I used the examples of sex or kissing scenes to tell you some couples already changed their boundaries once married in regards of what’s acceptable for acting. You’re reading comprehension is horrific. Put down the dogmatic lens and try to remove your personal biases from this. It’s Perfectly fine to ask. 100% perfectly 100% reasonable to ask. He doesn’t have to agree if acting is more important than his relationship. Just like she decided surfing is more im…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 08:56 PM
1	What could Jonah Hill have done better? Yup. It’s perfectly reasonable. That doesn’t mean she has to agree but that can be 100% perfectly reasonable to ask. Many actors refuse to do sex scenes or kissing scenes once married for example. All boundaries are negotiable and up for change because human beings change. Behavior you would tolerate from your SO at 20 in college may not be behavior you tolerate married with 3 kids. The idea of I can never change shows a horrific lack of maturity. Doesn’t mean all change is good or all people ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 08:39 PM
1	What could Jonah Hill have done better? People do it all the time. You’re telling me that no couple has ever had to deal with someone getting a job in another state or country which would require the other person uprooting their life to go with for example? There’s never been a couple not once in the history of the world, where one partner had to move, look for new work, new friends, etc completely changing their life for their partner? Look you can personally find his boundaries unreasonable or something you wouldn’t agree to. Howeve…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 07:35 PM
5	The Jonah Hill discourse is a display of many men not knowing the difference between “boundary” and “controlling” Except you’re simply wrong. He literally did leave. He asked her to change and she said no and he literally said they weren’t compatible in a relationship anymore and broke up. He didn’t threaten her. You can not like his boundaries and think they’re unreasonable but to say he was controlling when he was the one to say they’re incompatible and walk away is just not reality. This is what happens when immature teen Redditors try to play armchair psychologist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 07:04 PM
3	The Jonah Hill discourse is a display of many men not knowing the difference between “boundary” and “controlling” You say, "I'm really sorry, but I have come to realize that dating a smoker just isn't for me, so I'm need to end things now. If you ever decide to quit and want to give this another chance, please feel free to reach out, and I'm so sorry again for the pain I'm causing by not knowing this about myself up-front before we got serious with each other." Nope this is nonsense. You’re perfectly fine to ask them if they’d be willing to stop smoking for the sake of the relationship. Some people would be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 07:01 PM
2	The Jonah Hill discourse is a display of many men not knowing the difference between “boundary” and “controlling” Yup. People are making this harder than it needs to be. Getting into a relationship is no different than a business agreement. You negotiate your terms and reach an agreement. Those terms can always change in the future and the contract renegotiated as such. Then if the new terms can’t be agreed upon you part ways. It really is that simple.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 06:53 PM
7	Should a man be required to support an ex-wife for the rest of his life? If my father decided to divorce my 59 years old mother, who has never been able to fully get in the work place after taking care of the kids for years, there is no 3-5 years to get back on her feet. She's too old now, and if my father decide to not help support her - after saying he would for decades - she would be fucked. That’s nonsense. If your mom decided to remain a stay at home mom while all the kids were old enough to be in school then she could have gone back to work and chose not to ins…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/23 03:17 AM
9	Should a man be required to support an ex-wife for the rest of his life? Which is why I don’t think this law went far enough. However based on reading even getting this bill passed is hell. So they didn’t let perfect be the enemy of good.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/23 03:10 AM
10	Should a man be required to support an ex-wife for the rest of his life? If you read the article it was amending the law to get rid of permanent alimony. So it in fact wasn’t for a limited amount of time. And the time frame shouldn’t be 10 years. I don’t care if you were married for 20 years. If you can’t get on your feet within 3-5 years then you’re an incompetent adult.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/23 01:27 AM
19	Should a man be required to support an ex-wife for the rest of his life? Since you're discussing compensation for things people missed out on, would it be fair for the father to retroactively charge rent because the mother lived in the house where he paid the bills? No that’s stupid. She could then charge him retroactive babysitting. This is dumb because it assumes she didn’t contribute anything to the family. That argument cuts both ways. Should the father get custody to compensate for all the time he couldn't spend with the kids because he was too busy providing fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 10:11 PM
99	Should a man be required to support an ex-wife for the rest of his life? You can tell they’re reaching by trying to trot out the “family values” line as a talking point. If you’re divorced and receiving alimony there’s no fucking family to be hurt by this. The family was already destroyed when you got divorced. Reforming alimony doesn’t hurt family’s and would be entirely consistent with their moniker of “party of family values”. You shouldn’t be destitute because you divorced. If someone gave up many years of their career to raise kids there should be some form of p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 08:30 PM
1	Many men seem to have a misunderstanding of how preferences or boundaries work, and often lash out defensively because of this. Exactly. I would add I think explicit communication is necessary for what I would say is Grey area type stuff. What blows my mind is the people here using examples of smoking or monogamy that people act like you shouldn’t be able to figure it out on your own. It shows a level of immaturity that is honestly prevalent in society. Even if they weren’t in a relationship some people can’t seem to grow up. Like if you need to be told be your spouse to stop smoking once you have kids, then you shouldn’…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 04:04 PM
2	Many men seem to have a misunderstanding of how preferences or boundaries work, and often lash out defensively because of this. I agree with that. I think the vast majority of what separates if something is controlling or if something is just enforcing boundaries hinges on 2 things that are part of basic negotiations. 1) does the other party have the freedom to leave? 2) how you communicate the demands All relationships are just emotional partnerships no different than a business relationship and how people negotiate business. It’s not sexy to view it that way. However it makes it much better with communication. If you g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 03:32 PM
5	Many men seem to have a misunderstanding of how preferences or boundaries work, and often lash out defensively because of this. It’s not his wife’s place to attempt to force arbitrary decisions upon her husband due to having a child as leverage. It absolutely is her place. Just as it’s his place if his wife was the one smoking. If you get married your forfeit some of your autonomy. If you’re such a garbage piece of shit that you wouldn’t give up smoking for your kids health because some stupid belief of “I’m a man I do what the fuck I want.” Then you have 0 business being a father or a husband. Please don’t get married o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 12:45 PM
1	Many men seem to have a misunderstanding of how preferences or boundaries work, and often lash out defensively because of this. I’m a man. If in my hypothetical a man gets upset that his wife doesn’t want him to smoke now that he’s a father then he’s a shit husband and a shit father. Only immature morons that are boys not men think like that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 05:38 AM
2	Many men seem to have a misunderstanding of how preferences or boundaries work, and often lash out defensively because of this. I see what you’re getting at but I’ll be more direct. Most people on Reddit and here have dysfunctional relationships because they can’t grasp the concept that a relationship is an agreement where you’re signing away SOME personal autonomy for the benefit of being in one. They want the benefits of a relationship but want the benefits of full personal autonomy and it simply doesn’t exist. You agree to limit certain behaviors of the individual for the benefit of the couple. For example when a coup…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 02:21 AM
2	Many men seem to have a misunderstanding of how preferences or boundaries work, and often lash out defensively because of this. The premise is illogical because he specifically said he’s learned not to mention weight at all because it would incur a negative reaction. Sure. And if you’re pressed on it how you mention it matters. Therefore it isn’t illogical. Therefore, when it comes to negative reactions it would make no difference if he said he preferred thin of did not prefer overweight. If both response will result in the same downside than logically you should chose the response with the higher upside because it’s pro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 01:59 AM
2	Many men seem to have a misunderstanding of how preferences or boundaries work, and often lash out defensively because of this. If he said fit thin and in shape it would tell people what his preference is and there wouldn’t be a need for deductive reasoning. If I said sprite there wouldn’t need for people to guess what I want. And you’re missing the point because stating that preference would still get him in hot water. I don’t know if you’ve taken the LSAT but this sound like an analytical reasoning problem. Instead of having to deduce the preference you could just tell people what your prefer. For someone who is harpin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 01:28 AM
4	Many men seem to have a misunderstanding of how preferences or boundaries work, and often lash out defensively because of this. You’re horrifically overthinking this. If he said fit, thin, and in shape that would indicate he doesn’t want fat or overweight women by virtue of deductive reasoning. He can and will get flack for staying it exactly like that from a significant percentage of the population.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 01:18 AM
6	Many men seem to have a misunderstanding of how preferences or boundaries work, and often lash out defensively because of this. If he'd been a smoker before I met him, then it would not be okay for me to demand he stop. I would've had the choice of deal with it or not date him. This is the only part I disagree with because it assumes we stay static as humans and our boundaries can never change as we change as people. If he had been a smoker before you met him and you had no problem with it, then you decided to have kids and realized the 2nd hand smoke can harm your children, do you actually believe you would say “nope my…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 12:40 AM
-1	Many men seem to have a misunderstanding of how preferences or boundaries work, and often lash out defensively because of this. no, because the act of wearing revealing clothes isn’t engaging in actual sexual behavior with anyone lol It absolutely is. Otherwise lingerie wouldn’t be a thing or form of expression. and if you really wanna go that route, would a guy driving an expensive car or showing an expensive watch be flaunting his value to the world? lol Absolutely. A woman can absolutely not be ok with her partner being flashy and bragging about their wealth. Many women don’t like a guy who is a arrogant show off. Jus…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 12:01 AM
4	Many men seem to have a misunderstanding of how preferences or boundaries work, and often lash out defensively because of this. Except him telling her beforehand what those boundaries are is telling her how to dress. You can’t express this without telling someone what to do. He absolutely can just like she can chose if that boundary is something she cares about or not. If he says “if you go out dressed as a stripper because I don’t date people who dress as strippers, I will end the relationship.” That’s him expressing his boundary and telling her what he wants her to do. She doesn’t have to listen to him. But that doesn’…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/23 11:48 PM
1	Many men seem to have a misunderstanding of how preferences or boundaries work, and often lash out defensively because of this. This is nonsense. It would still be cheating if we’ve only been dating for 1 week before a “strong intimate bond has formed” or “investing in building a life together”. You’re moving the goalposts hard.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/23 11:18 PM
4	Many men seem to have a misunderstanding of how preferences or boundaries work, and often lash out defensively because of this. And a man is freely also able to say he won’t be or stay in a relationship with a woman who dresses provocatively. The logic is the same.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/23 11:17 PM
6	Many men seem to have a misunderstanding of how preferences or boundaries work, and often lash out defensively because of this. This is nonsense. You’re horrifically shifting the goalposts to add a “intimate bond” bullshit qualifier because you realized your position doesn’t hold logical consistency. An intimate emotional bond can be built and broken based on clothing as well. Dressing a certain way absolutely can hurt someone if the standard it’s hurts some arbitrary emotional bond. If my wife wears a shirt into Public that say “my husband has a tiny cock” does that not hurt me or are you still going to sit there and sa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/23 11:14 PM
6	do you feel like your relationship with your parents has effected the way you date/view dating? It’s because my parents have been happily married for 39 years that has shown me what an absolute shitshow the modern dating market is. The example of how they both treated each other and their responsibilities to family are based in values that most “adults” in their 20s and 30s don’t hold and why modern dating is full of selfish immature children pretending they’re grown adults. It’s very endearing while being slightly nihilistic as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 07:08 PM
1	How do you justify asking for a woman with a low body count, if yours is high? You’re still missing the point. The only ones you give a shit about that “harm” a relationship are the ones men hold. You’ll turn a blind eye to the ones women hold. This isn’t that fucking hard.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/23 01:02 AM
1	How do you justify asking for a woman with a low body count, if yours is high? Yes just like there’s no value in wanting a tall person if you’re short. You’re missing the point really fucking hard here. I’m not making judgment on if a moral standard is good or not or what’s successful to a relationship. I’m saying getting mad at men for wanting something in women they don’t do is only seen as bad because they’re men. We have no problem with women holding double standards but when men have one it becomes a problem. I’m not saying that N counts are good or bad. I’m saying bi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/23 12:35 AM
2	Men shouldn’t feel bad about women preferring“bad boys” over “good guys” because those women are not worth chasing in the first place Because I’m asking bunch of questions you’re refusing to answer. Largely because there isn’t a good logical or consistent basis for your ideas.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/23 12:31 AM
3	How do you justify asking for a woman with a low body count, if yours is high? Because everyone is a hypocrite and people often have standards that compliment them and their deficiencies. Would you say a woman who can’t cook but wants a man who can is a raging hypocrite with horrible standards? Does a woman have to be a black belt in ju-jitsu herself is she says she wants a man who is a protector? Or a woman has to be a high powered lawyer to date a man who is a high powered lawyer? Both sexes have standards they hold for the other that they themselves do not. Yet only whe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/23 09:52 PM
3	Men shouldn’t feel bad about women preferring“bad boys” over “good guys” because those women are not worth chasing in the first place Because that’s an example of a bad decision that affects how people may view you as a potential partner. Do you not understand that not all bad decisions are the same? So you assume that all people are never capable of not making bad decisions? Or that only people who make shitty life choices are interesting? That sounds like a bunch of copes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/23 08:20 PM
3	Men shouldn’t feel bad about women preferring“bad boys” over “good guys” because those women are not worth chasing in the first place That's fine devils advocate. I still think avoiding baggage is avoiding life. Pretty quickly, I found out I prefer people with some stories to tell. By definition, that means they've been shaped by experience but that usually means that they are more interesting and they know themselves better. People without are just as likely if not more likely to take a wild swing on you. I disagree. Those people are fine to have as friends but who you marry is the biggest decision of your life and most peopl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/23 05:25 PM
26	Men shouldn’t feel bad about women preferring“bad boys” over “good guys” because those women are not worth chasing in the first place Exactly and OP also neglects the fact that dating is a zero sum game. If more and more women culturally take on values that make them “not worth chasing” and the amount of men stay the same, it becomes a game of musical chairs where many guys are going to lose. “Hey those girls aren’t worth chasing but that means many of you will end up dying alone.” Is more honest and not the silver lining OP thinks it is. Might as well have told them “hey being in a shit job is terrible. You should enjoy unemp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/23 03:45 PM
8	Men shouldn’t feel bad about women preferring“bad boys” over “good guys” because those women are not worth chasing in the first place Playing a little devils advocate. Except that feeds into a dual mating strategy later that many men specifically have a problem with. A girl who chases bad boys and then later on tries to settle with a “safe guy” isn’t worth pursuing either. Most men don’t want to be settled for. Not to mention often the baggage associated with someone chasing bad partners for a long time. There’s plenty of people that never have a bad boy or bad girl phase and all things being equal they would prefer someone li…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/23 03:38 PM
1	If it's insulting that someone wants you after they've had their fun in their youth, would it be even more insulting if they still didn't want you? There’s a difference in making a mistake in regards to a relationship vs making a mistake picking a type. “We stayed in a relationship we should have needed because we didn’t have the experience to know how to end it” Vs “Turns out dating the partier type that’s popular who cheated on all their last partners was a dumb decision” These aren’t equivalent. I hate this idea that you have to try every possible dumb idea in order to know if you don’t like it and that shouldn’t reflect on you in a nega…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 05:54 PM
1	What is exactly emotional labour which women do? I wasn't mixing you guys up, I clearly stated why I was disagreeing with the other commenter. And that my disagreement wasn't with your long explanation of when an argument between partners isn't over something important, but instead with the "90%" claim. Which entirely meaningless and irrelevant to my comments. Don’t bring up the 90% claim in response to me because it’s something I never claimed. Either address what I’m actually saying or don’t reply. This isn’t hard. If you wanna pop in and ch…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 07:53 PM
1	What is exactly emotional labour which women do? I wasn't disputing that some women start fights over dumb shit and then call the argument "emotional labor". But 90%?? That seems very high. That means he sees it as highly unlikely that a woman who uses that term has valid reasons to. I’m not the one saying 90%. You need to separate my disagreements with you comments as endorsing OP. I think we can all agree that women are raised with more emotional education, whereas men are often denied that education cuz "weak, gay, need to man up" etc. It i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 07:07 PM
2	Question for Purple/BP-ish: What are your Purple views? You've completely mischaracterised what I said. I said if you believe in a relationship market etc... And I’m saying you claim you don’t believe in a market but behave exactly as it if exists. Therefore your claim of belief is irrelevant. Taxes don't just go to people who made "bad choices". It's about investing in infrastructure, climate, people etc.The welfare state is a small part of that, most of which goes to the working poor. And you’re not understanding the context of the pull yourself up…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 12:55 AM
2	Question for Purple/BP-ish: What are your Purple views? What a nastily phrased response, really demonstrating little ability to empathise at all. You literally accused me of wanting to enslave women and strawmaned the fuck out of my argument. There’s nothing to empathize when your argument isn’t logically sound. I'm not telling men to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Bullshit. I'm saying interpersonal relationships aren't, to my opinion, something that needs a collective organisation. I don't believe the market applies. There's no hypocrisy in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 12:34 AM
2	Question for Purple/BP-ish: What are your Purple views? I don't think they're identical. They literally are. One is an individual and their bodily and social autonomy, and the other is an issue of society caring for everyone. Yes because taking my money to provide for someone that through their own choices put themselves in their position doesn’t violate my social autonomy? If an incel is alone because of the product of their individual choices and it’s up to them to improve the exact same thing is true of any person in a dead end job, homeless etc. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 12:01 AM
1	What is exactly emotional labour which women do? You find unlikely that some relationships have an emotional support imbalance, then? Some sure. But many get neglected that aren’t considered. Take for example all the raging “Karen’s”. Behind every single one is a man having to put up emotionally with her bullshit. Or that one partner has a higher emotional intelligence/relationship skills level than the other and finds if they don't carefully manage their word choices and monitor their partners reaction (and adjust accordingly) the conversatio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 10:45 PM
1	Question for Purple/BP-ish: What are your Purple views? You’re kidding right? The most common example is the boot strap rhetoric. If a man isn’t getting dates what do they tell him that literally couldn’t be almost word for word the same things said when someone can’t get a job? Hell you even admitted it that you want the best with your rational decision making. “Let the unattractive incel figure it out. why should I have to date him? I don’t benefit from that at all.” “Let the homeless unemployed person figure it out. why should I have to provide fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 09:47 PM
2	Question for Purple/BP-ish: What are your Purple views? I agree mostly. Expanding on your 2nd paragraph, I do love the dichotomy on both sides though of the idea of the sexual marketplace acting like a economic one. If the sexual marketplace is as close to unregulated capitalism, it is ironic seeing very left leaning, socialist, or communist people be absolutely cutthroat ruthless like a the capitalists they hate in that marketplace. Or the right leaning people that complain about the marketplaces like a communist would. The irony on both sides is a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 09:18 PM
1	Women want your masculine traits first, and everything else later. Chris brown? Several NFL players, most combat sport participants etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/23 06:38 PM
1	Being Emotionally Available and a Good Communicator is Reduces the Chance for Sustained Attraction for Men Seeking a Relationship. Nope. You’re arguing the dating games stop after people commit. I’m saying that’s flat out incorrect in most cases. Im saying like adrenaline junkies, if you play games to feel a rush at the start of dating, it doesn’t actually stop when you get into one. If the foundation of starting your relationship is playing games, then games are the foundation going forward.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/23 05:52 PM
0	Being Emotionally Available and a Good Communicator is Reduces the Chance for Sustained Attraction for Men Seeking a Relationship. The games and drama do continue. You can’t actually believe that? Even in friendships if a girl is a drama queen in all other aspects of her life you magically think she’s going to stop when she becomes friends with you? That it’s as simple as turning on a light switch? They 100% do otherwise people wouldn’t get the 7 year itch. If the foundation of your relationship is games and chasing a sexual tension high that’s all it will ever be. It’s like an adrenaline junkie. You’ll never be satisfied. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/23 04:38 PM
2	Women have stricter body standards than men do in dating No. The point he made you literally proved is dad bod is ok if you’re tall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 02:54 AM
1	Women have stricter body standards than men do in dating Vince Vaughn actually proves his point because he’s tall and has a broad frame. He’s 6’5”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 01:03 AM
2	Women have stricter body standards than men do in dating No. But there’s absolutely a large amount of married people that their attraction is based on the proximity effect and not natural attraction than what we’re prepared to admit to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 12:57 AM
–	Should abortion require the permission of the father? If it makes you feel better. Women are making more money and having fewer kids in many countries. I'm in the US and our birth rate has dropped below replacement rate. It doesn’t make me feel better. It’s going to create many problems. That’s not a good thing. Birthrates in Europe have dropped even more and those countries tend to have more support for kids and moms. Again the support for kids and moms isn’t something I agree with doing away with. I’m trying to be intellectually honest about the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 02:51 AM
–	Should abortion require the permission of the father? Men do get a say but it is certainly more limited. No they currently don’t. They can choose not to have sex or they can get a vasectomy. That’s not a say. The same argument could be used in outlawing abortion. You don’t get to decry those arguments and then turn around and use them. Should society put more consequences on men or less? We should put more consequences on both men AND women. Also men are biologically capable of just walking away; happens all the time. Should society support this ty…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 02:31 AM
–	Should abortion require the permission of the father? Whether the woman keeps the child or has an abortion it is still her who has to go through this non-trivial procedure or a a pregnancy which is even less trivial. Not fair but how it is. Not disagreeing. Taking away support for moms and kids of course punishes the child and society more than anyone. It doesn't make anything fair. I didn’t say I think this is the ideal or position I agree with. However, it’s the only fair and morally consistent one. You can’t force the taxpayers to pay for your c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 02:16 AM
–	Should abortion require the permission of the father? I think we need to go one step further if it’s to be logically consistent. I don’t agree with the opinion I’m about to say but it’s the only logically consistent one. If women truly want their body their choice and the government and society out of their uterus, simply allowing fathers to not pay child support isn’t enough. You would have to end all child tax credits and programs to mothers. You don’t get to claim the government and society should stay out of your decisions about your body and t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 01:53 AM
–	Should abortion require the permission of the father? The only way to make it fair is to completely remove any incentives in the reverse of keeping it. Do away with all child support and child tax credits for unmarried women. You want it. You pay for it not society. Not the dad. Your body your choice then you pay. Now I don’t in any way want or agree with this position but it’s the only logical position I see based on the biological unbalance. If we grant women a right simply because a biological process she has that men don’t, then she has to own …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 01:47 AM
2	Marriage Rates in the USA Nah it’s the opposite. Abundance and wealth drives down marriage and child bearing rates. All the wealthy countries are the ones staying single not having kids. Poor countries have the opposite. Why do you think right after the financial crisis is when the rates spiked back up? When things are less affordable you shack up to split the load.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 01:27 AM
4	Q4M - How would you advise your daughters to navigate the dating scene? And some people end up chasing meaningless experiences and end up missing out on having a family as well. So the reverse is just as bad. Hence why it’s short sided.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/23 02:46 PM
9	Q4M - How would you advise your daughters to navigate the dating scene? Yes because people can’t build lives together and experience it with someone else. /s I know plenty of people married young that traveled the world and started their careers. Most short sided take on here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/23 01:17 PM
1	Men usually don't care about how much a woman earns, but men should care about how high her debt is Sounds like they would be great example to use to make your point then. Because they’re magically different how? You’re whining about an example without giving any good explanation to what separates them. Do you think more athletes or doctors end up broke at retirement age? I bet you’d be surprised. It’s probably a lot more closer than you think. In fact this article puts doctors right below athletes. So the fact you’re hyper fixated on one but not the other shows your point is meaningless. http…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/23 07:04 PM
1	Men usually don't care about how much a woman earns, but men should care about how high her debt is Because that was the entire point of my comment? That athletes are an outlier when it comes to maintaining wealth or earnings. Except they’re not. Doctors are high earning and some of the worst when it comes to handling money. They’re still part of rich people. Because there's a difference in being bad with money you're going to earn for the next 40 years and money you earned in a small 5 year window. No there’s not. That’s an arbitrary bullshit distinction. Especially when many go on to have br…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/23 06:33 PM
0	Men usually don't care about how much a woman earns, but men should care about how high her debt is A profession that only employs the top 0.1% of applicants that pays over 10x the average household salary is an outlier by every possible definition. Not in a discussion on how rich people are just as susceptible to being terrible with money. You’re just glossing over all the important context and hyper-fixating on athletes. The statement was Rich people can be horrific with money. Are athletes not part of the rich people now? That’s the context. You’re comparing them to poor people or the avera…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/23 06:11 PM
5	Men usually don't care about how much a woman earns, but men should care about how high her debt is Exactly. Being good with money is more a psychological issue. It’s one of the few things Dave Ramsey does get correct. There’s plenty of working poor people that can retire well off because they have good discipline. The only thing the high earners have advantage on is it’s easier to unfuck your debt situation when you earn more money than less. Can cut back much easier on $150K to pay off $90K of debt than $50K to pay $30K, Even though it’s proportionally the same.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/23 05:41 PM
5	Men usually don't care about how much a woman earns, but men should care about how high her debt is They’re not an outlier. My buddy works in financial planning. You would be shocked how many high income people are leveraged out the ass and have spending problems. Buying luxury cars, 2nd homes, carrying credit card balances, etc. Keeping up with the Jones’s isn’t just a pro athlete issue. What’s worse is the high earning people can sometimes be worse clients because of dunning Kruger effect. Sorry but being bad with money isn’t a rich or poor thing. The high earners just have a boat that will …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/23 05:37 PM
3	Men usually don't care about how much a woman earns, but men should care about how high her debt is Nope. There’s people that don’t earn much but stick to a good budget, have little to no debt, and are in a healthy financial situation. There’s plenty of high earning people living paycheck to paycheck that fuck up their lives in trying to keep up with the Jones’s. Look at how many pro athletes are bankrupt within 3 years after they retire from sports. Earning potential has nothing to do with financial literacy. There can be a correlation as it’s easier to not be broke with high earning potentia…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/23 04:29 PM
1	For guys who want an active woman, why and what does that mean to you? Glad you’re so willing to date with the idea of instead of making a good choice based on things that actually matter, I’ll just piss away money to bail out of making bad choices because I care way more about being entertained than a genuine connection. No wonder the dating world is so fucked up. If this is the mindset of the people who inhabit it we might as well let a meteor just end it all. Make it at least a quick way out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/23 05:04 PM
0	For guys who want an active woman, why and what does that mean to you? The fact you think I would side eye someone is projecting your lack of values. Do you actually think people stay hot and young forever? That looks don’t fade? Those might be your shared values but if the foundation of your marriage is that you both work out and not that you both agree on how to raise kids, religion, morals etc good fucking luck maintaining anything meaningful. It’s going to be quite sad for you if it turns out that awesome partner that works out doesn’t share your beliefs on kid…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/23 01:41 PM
1	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests Personally, I'd want to know if I enjoy spending time with the person before I get into that stuff. I wouldn't wait months to bring the big, important questions up, but I'd probably wait a couple of dates. You just proved my point. If interests and values are equal in importance why would you be ok talking about one right away and not the other?Why waste a bunch of time going dates only to find out you aren’t close to compatible on the big important questions? This is exactly why modern dating s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/23 01:14 AM
3	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests That’s a good way of viewing it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/23 12:08 AM
1	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests Also a very good and valid point!	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/23 12:06 AM
1	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests You don't have to share all your interests, but you'd need to have at least one or two shared ones, otherwise living with that person would be a drag. My partner likes BJJ, it's not my thing. I like pole dancing, it's not his thing. But we both like going to the gym, so we do that together. We like a lot of similar stuff when it comes to movies and shows, but we also like things that the other person doesn't like. Fair enough. Obviously, shared values are important, I've never heard anyone say i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 10:13 PM
1	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests Then why is only shared interests the main priority and focus? How many people end marriages because they disagreed on divisions of labor, kids, finances etc. I’m sure it’s a lot more than marriages ended because she likes hiking and he reads books. The best evidence of this is which of the following topics is taboo on a first date: What’s your favorite thing to do? How many kids do you eventually want? If they’re both equally as important then neither should be taboo. If the goal is all 3 like …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 09:53 PM
3	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests In most case in modern dating yes. It would come across as coming on too strong. which ironically then contradicts the complaints of no meaningful relationships, ghosting, or situationships. People claim they want more meaningful and purposeful dating experiences but recoil at the idea of actually doing it. Not following rules in modern dating isn’t a bad thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 09:45 PM
2	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests I would say this is very succinct reply and I agree with a lot of what you said. I think you hit the nail of the head about respecting each others time and hobbies. That’s ultimately the most important. If my girlfriend likes to read and I like to golf, she can entertain herself easily for the 5 hours I’m gone with a good book. Glad your friends have a happy marriage and family!	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 09:42 PM
5	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests That’s a fair rebuttal. I’m not against shared interests. I just think way too much emphasis is placed on it and not enough about values and then we wonder why dating experiences seem shallow and hollow. Even if a girl is perfect on paper for interests, if she never wants kids and I do, I would be wasting my time. If she likes hiking and I like reading, that isn’t going to be a relationship ending difference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 09:39 PM
2	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests And that’s valid. Ideally we should have both. However, I find in most modern dating people focus way too much on the shared interests. Which one is taboo for bringing up on a first date, what music you like, or how many kids you eventually want? Yet we then wonder why our connections are shallow and go nowhere and nobody will commit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 09:36 PM
1	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests Values are less diverse, entertaining and time consuming than interests. And no one says they don’t matter less. We’re just not all going to get serious right away That’s nonsense. Most people have wide array of beliefs and values. Are the only meaningful conversations you have with people about the latest marvel movie or video game and not beliefs about the origin of life, the future, goals? Also is the goal for dating to be entertained or to find someone compatible? If you want someone to simp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 09:32 PM
1	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests Glad to see you could handle the fact educated people can be conspiracy theorists too. Any more weak assumptions you want to toss out?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 09:26 PM
2	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests But aren't they connected? Hobbies and interests usually depend on how you've been socialized, your values, your intelligence etc. I disagree. One of my best friends is the biggest hippy person you’ll meet. Rock climbs, has long hair, camps, skis, smokes weed etc yet is one of the most religious right wing people I know. You think all NFL fans have the same values? Or all pop music fans? Or all marvel fans? I don't know if hunting and action movies are your real interests or just examples, but t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 09:24 PM
1	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests Again though you actually can’t have any meaningful time shared with someone with other interests and hobbies from you? This sounds like feel good nonsense. If the foundation of your marriage is a love for hiking, that’s fucking useless if you have kids and you want to move states for work but she prioritizes being close to family. Or do you actually think the reason marriages fail is because one person was an outdoor person and the other was an indoor person compared to disagreements on finance…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 09:14 PM
0	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests Still missing the point entirely. Sharing common interests and common experiences generally indicates common values and a reason to communicate in the first place. Not at all. Do all football fans think alike? Do all pop music fans have the same values? Does someone that’s traveled to another country have no shared values with someone that’s never left their state? You’re making a giant leap in logic based on assumptions. A person with a graduate degree is incompatible with a conspiracy theories…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 09:10 PM
1	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests That’s valid. Ideally you would want it all. However not everyone gets that and not all of those things should have close to the same priority. I think you can have a decent relationship on shared values but no shared interests. The opposite isn’t true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 09:03 PM
-2	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests Wow you’re dense. The point wasn’t about having a single interest in common. The point was things like hobbies, interests, music etc say absolutely nothing meaningful about them as a person. Let’s say they have the same taste in music hobbies and movies as you. Again does that actually say anything about them as a person at all? If you’re mongmous and they’re poly, you want kids and they don’t, does it really matter in the slightest you both like EDM, hiking, and the same sports teams?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 08:53 PM
2	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests I disagree. Someone that hikes and fishes isn’t a great match for someone else that also hikes and fishes if they don’t have shared values. You’re an Uber liberal, atheist, poly and your partner is Uber conservative, Catholic, monogamous, but you both hike and like to fish. That sounds nothing like a good match. Having people with similar interests as you and getting out of the house is what your friends are for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 08:49 PM
2	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests Why does spending that time around a person incumbent on having the exact same interests? You’re also missing the point. If values are more important than interest then why is all dating advice centered around avoiding talking about values? When people put together a dating profile, do they list their social beliefs, family beliefs, etc before their job, their hobbies or any other superficial things? Some do but not the majority. When people say they go on a date to get to know someone, why do t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 08:46 PM
0	For guys who want an active woman, why and what does that mean to you? Exactly. In fact I’d argue that might give you even more to talk about because you don’t share interests! It also gives you room to be your own person outside your wife too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 08:36 PM
1	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests And that’s fair! Hopefully you found or find someone that shares that!	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 08:00 PM
2	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests That’s a fair point. I think the minimum is your partners should be open to you having hobbies even if it’s not something you like. You should respect your partners hobbies and interests but it doesn’t mean you have to share them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 07:59 PM
1	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests I’m not saying they’re bad. If you have similar interests that’s great! It just shouldn’t have any bearing on why you’re attracted or committing to a partner.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 07:57 PM
1	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests I guess I think it’s bad because it reinforces the superficial aspects to dating but in a more accepted less talked about way that goes undetected. This sub debates constantly about how superficial it is to not date short men or fat women etc. Yet people actively encourage and ignore, dating or not dating someone because you share a hobby is equally as superficial. A friend of mine ended a 4 year relationship that on paper was great. Similar hobbies, both athletic, went to concerts together etc.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 07:42 PM
4	One of the worst pieces of advice in dating: have similar interests This is nonsense. Outright nonsense. You actually think a man having the same taste in music as you tells you more about who they are than their morals?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 07:37 PM
5	For guys who want an active woman, why and what does that mean to you? So what? I think the biggest lie we tell people when dating is that common interests are more important than common values. The reason dating is fucked is because people have this backwards. I’m a very active person. Lift 2 days a week, kickbox 2 days a week and golf or fish the other 2. I’d much rather date the bookworm that likes to stay indoors but shares 90% of my values on family, children, social and political beliefs, etc than the girl who does all the same activities as me but shares non…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 04:32 PM
2	“Are we dating the same guy” is literally just the natural consequence of less and less people dating from their social circle. I think it’s more, you have enough life experience to know what you don’t want. I think at 27 you don’t have to get married quickly if you start dating someone. However, you it shouldn’t take you 3 years to figure out you wouldn’t marry someone at that age either. A girl saying she doesn’t want to have kids at 20 is much different than 27. The first one if you’re 20 you can date and she might change her mind. The latter there wouldn’t be a point because it’s not worth trying to invest time in tr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/23 04:06 PM
3	“Are we dating the same guy” is literally just the natural consequence of less and less people dating from their social circle. You could make the argument this is part of why military recruiting numbers are down and they’re getting desperate. It’s a kids movie but the Mulan song of a girl worth fighting for has a kernel of truth. Men that have something to lose and family to protect are going to be more inclined to serve to protect said family. Or at the very least the ones who think they will have a family in the future.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/23 04:02 PM
3	Ladies what is your opinion of husbands, boyfriends, brothers, dads, friends or any of the guys in your life worried about you visiting a male gynecologist? Yes. I would imagine as a male if a female patient is telling you about a discomfort you’re trusting that she’s not lying because you have 0 reason not to. Where I know several women that have easy and light periods and will dismiss other women’s period pain as an example. The men basically have to take you a face value.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/23 08:56 PM
–	Why is the question, "What do you bring to the table?" so offensive to some? It’s hilarious that the first things you assumed were the most superficial and shallow parts about you. When my grandpa was dying and my mom was trying to help my grandma care for him, do you think she was happy my dad was a successful business owner with a stem masters degree and they both liked golf and the outdoors? Or do you think it was he went out of his way to go take care of my grandpa when my mom couldn’t, or that he supported her when she needed to cry when he died, or cooked for her s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/23 03:26 PM
–	Why is the question, "What do you bring to the table?" so offensive to some? Because education and hobbies aren’t what gives a relationship purpose or meaning. The idea that having education makes your more valuable is a terrible terrible lie we tell people and has bigger implications than just dating. The worst possible dating advice I see is “have similar interests”. There’s plenty of people in failed relationships that had a lot of things in common except for the things that actually matter. I like sports, hunting, fishing, golf, metal music and have 2 college STEM de…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/23 03:15 PM
0	What exactly were you told about dating women growing up and who said it? Again not in the traditional sense. And the other person from Germany refutes your anecdote. Additionally there’s a reason the baby boom coincided with the post war period after WW2. Because it’s a lot easier to date, marry, fuck, have kids when you’re not worried about dying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/23 10:32 PM
2	What exactly were you told about dating women growing up and who said it? Not in the traditional sense of dating. You’re trying really hard to be obtuse here and the fact you didn’t know basic history shows this isn’t a meaningful conversation worth pursuing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/23 05:03 PM
2	What exactly were you told about dating women growing up and who said it? I’m not the person from Germany. I’m just pointing out that you don’t know history. You don’t think being held in an oppressive regime where food and supplies had to be airdropped in by the United States and people would get shot if they tried crossing into west Germany might making traditional dating not something that commonly occurred?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/23 04:55 PM
4	What exactly were you told about dating women growing up and who said it? You really don’t know world history that well do you. Google the Berlin Wall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/23 04:12 PM
1	Women objectify themselves. You are assuming people’s motivations for the things they do. That is another problem. You can say I’m getting hung up but I will continue to press you and OP on it because it is a very obvious flaw in your logic. And I knew from the beginning you and OP don’t actually believe showering is objectifying. It’s not an obvious flaw in the logic because you’re not willing to understand that showering first and foremost has health benefits. Again you HAVE to shower. We could all go to shaved heads, an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/23 03:30 PM
2	What is the most overrated common dating advice? Thank you for the confirmation of what I’ve believed. I appreciate the honesty.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/23 01:37 PM
1	Women objectify themselves. Again no because it’s main purpose isn’t appearance but health. You’re trying really hard to get hung up on this showering thing. I’m literally telling you it’s not the same because it’s primary purpose is health. I HAVE to shower. You DONT HAVE to wear certain clothes, makeup, haircuts in certain ways, piercings, tattoo etc. Do you actually think showering is the same as what clothes you wear, makeup, how you cut your hair, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/23 01:33 PM
1	Women objectify themselves. Not op but I’d argue that showering has health benefits beyond just looking good. Looking good is secondary. Both sexes objectify themselves. Anything done solely to enhance your appearance is objectifying. I go further that nobody actually “dresses 100% for themselves” or gets tattoos or body mods etc 100% for themselves. I say that as someone with tattoos myself. Self expression is inherently for other people despite what people claim. If I like metal music why do I need to wear a band shirt o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/23 05:10 AM
-1	Women objectify themselves. Yes they are. What’s your point? This isn’t the gotcha you think it is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/23 05:02 AM
3	What is the most overrated common dating advice? Be friends first, or get to know someone first through friends etc. If warm approaches work for you that’s great. I think in general it’s shitty advice. My friend groups are my place of refuge and companionship. The last thing I want to do is jeopardize friendships should things not work out with a girl. People then have to pick sides and it gets messy. Anyone that’s had friends get divorced can attest to this. Additionally the only girls I ever dated were the ones I escalated quickly to show ro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/23 10:31 PM
15	What is your unpopular opinion regarding your own gender that could make others call you a gender traitor? Exactly. Like guys that E girl or stripper doesn’t actually like you. Don’t throw money at her. Be better than that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/23 04:22 PM
6	If you stay in the friend zone hoping for action, it’s on you. They’re all over this sub and to answer you question, yes. Every hill to them is worth dying on no matter the contradictions, dissonance etc. Not worth it to engage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/23 02:26 AM
1	Q4M: if a husband cheats, does that mean he doesn't love his wife? Well in the case of a marriage it is a contract, so his word is moot because if he breaks the contract he will face legal consequences. The contract is enforceable through coercion, not honor. That’s fine. But the point isn’t about a contract. Let’s say he never gets caught. He’s still going back on his vows and word which means he doesn’t actually love his wife. I’m not talking about the legal consequences I’m talking about the moral ones and if someone actually loves someone. A person you woul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 08:04 PM
1	Q4M: if a husband cheats, does that mean he doesn't love his wife? Yes, part of being a man is abiding by your word. The full part of being a man is having the wisdom to know when to give you word and when to stay silent. Yes, otherwise such a man is a shithead and nobody should ever trust him. This goes across the board in all his relationships not just towards women, but to his friends, employer, team, military unit, society, government, creditors, etc. Ok good then we are on the same page. Based on that assumption, then I would argue a man who is married tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 06:47 PM
2	It wont be men abandoning women when the AI sex revolution hits. Fair enough. And I agree with your 2nd point. But I think it’s a minority of people in general that would want an AI partner in general.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 04:47 PM
2	It wont be men abandoning women when the AI sex revolution hits. I agree. I love my Rockies. Grew up with the Blake street bombers and Larry walker. At one point we had the best infield in all of baseball. The only solice is the fact we aren’t the A’s. Monfort needs to sell.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 04:40 PM
4	It wont be men abandoning women when the AI sex revolution hits. Remember dates sure, but even though AI might imitate human behavior, it still is going to analyze and make decisions based on logical programming not emotion. You’re picturing AI from almost a movie perspective. It still will be closer to a terminator than it would be anything else. And let’s say it does get to that point and we take your premise. The issue is women need perfect AI to get what they want that men can’t provide but all those in between iterations are going to be perfectly accepta…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 04:36 PM
1	It wont be men abandoning women when the AI sex revolution hits. Just want to say (off topic) glad to see someone suffering in solidarity with me as we watch the Rockies season currently.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 04:27 PM
7	It wont be men abandoning women when the AI sex revolution hits. Women already hate how men are terrible at picking up hints, reading body language, having intuition etc and you think AI is going to somehow give women that experience? If women really wanted to date what a program based on literal interpretations and cold logic is then all the guys in the spectrum would be the ones all the women are dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 04:26 PM
21	It wont be men abandoning women when the AI sex revolution hits. Yup. Women complaining about guys not picking up on hints and body language and OP thinks a cold calculating machine is going to be better than that? Those autistic guys you talk about might actually be objectively better at all of that than a program is going to be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 04:23 PM
4	Q4M: How do you define “fat”? Exactly. I’m 6’2” and 240 but every guesses I weigh like 215 because I have very broad shoulders so I can carry my weight well. My brother is 5’10” and 170. If he got up to 200 pounds he would look fatter than me because his frame is very narrow.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 04:15 PM
2	Q4M: How do you define “fat”? Exactly. I’m 6’2” 240 but I have broad shoulders. I look more like a middle linebacker. My brother is 5’10 and narrow frame. If he weighted 200 pounds he would weigh less than me but likely look fatter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 04:13 PM
5	Q4M: How do you define “fat”? You don’t have to be professional athlete. I’m by BMI obese but I’m 6’2” with very wide shoulders. The distribution is going to matter more based on height and shoulder and boy type. A short stocky guy at the same BMI is going to look fatter than a tall lanky guy and you don’t need pro athlete genetics for that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 04:10 PM
11	Q4M: How do you define “fat”? Yup. The distribution to me is the bigger deal. A well endowed woman for example can have a very skinny waist but a higher body fat. Or 160 pounds on a 5’2” girl is going to look much different than a 5’10” girl.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 04:06 PM
1	Q4M: if a husband cheats, does that mean he doesn't love his wife? I don’t disagree with that either. That isn’t them loving their partner either. Someone else not keeping their word isn’t an excuse to not keep yours.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 03:29 PM
1	Would you donate an organ for your partner? You saved another persons life regardless of relationship. That is incredibly selfless no matter who it was.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 03:06 PM
1	Would you donate an organ for your partner? Exactly. Organ donations go beyond just partnerships but humanity. I’m on the bone marrow donation list for an exact reason. I’ll never fault someone for not wanting to donate but donating so someone else can live shouldn’t be tied entirely to emotional attachments only (with certain exceptions obviously depending on organ).	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 03:05 PM
2	Would you donate an organ for your partner? Exactly this. Besides even if it fails, you saved someone’s life. I’ve been on the bone marrow donor list for this very reason. I’d likely never even know the person I’d get matched with. But if I can do something to allow another human being to live I should consider it. This goes beyond even just relationships and a question about humanity as a whole.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 03:02 PM
2	Would you donate an organ for your partner? This isn’t true. https://aliesq.medium.com/extensive-research-women-initiate-domestic-violence-more-than-men-men-under-report-it-3bbaa4fbec9d	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 02:59 PM
1	Q4M: if a husband cheats, does that mean he doesn't love his wife? I would argue that’s infatuation not love. Love is based on actions not words. If you cheat or abuse etc someone you don’t actually love them despite what your thoughts may be. That’s just my personal opinion because I was raised that your word matters and your actions must match them otherwise talk is cheap.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 02:51 PM
3	Q4M: if a husband cheats, does that mean he doesn't love his wife? Sure. The question I have to you, is part of being a man sticking by your word? If you say you’re going to do something do you believe to be a real man that you must honors your commitments? If you tell your buddy to call you anytime he needs help and he’s in a car wreck and needs help, do you stick to your word?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 02:47 PM
2	Q4M: if a husband cheats, does that mean he doesn't love his wife? This issue is one where I disagree with RP thinking. Love is primarily actions not words or feelings. If you cheat your actions demonstrate you don’t love your partner. This goes even beyond just your wife. I was raised to be a man of my word and that a reputation is something you uphold. If you vow to honor and be faithful and you break your vows you’re a coward. No different than any other vow you make. If you vow you’re going to be faithful, then man the fuck up and stick to your word.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 02:44 PM
3	Just pay attention to her Who says I’m struggling meeting women? It’s because I’m good at meeting people I know why what you’re saying isn’t valid as you think. You make a ton of terrible assumptions and it’s why your advice is shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 05:38 PM
3	Do you care about a women's income when it comes to dating? I think most guys have a minimum threshold and a low bar of diminishing returns. Most guys don’t want a girl that’s a leach or a bum no different than girls. So a girl working McDonald’s that’s shit with money and tons of debt is going to be a red flag. However, if you’re a 6/10 making $35K as a women you don’t become a 8 or 9/10 if you’re earning $135K. I think personally for me I care more about spending and saving habits more than income. I’d much rather date the barista who doesn’t have debt…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 05:37 PM
2	Do dating age men have any interest in having a friendship with a woman who is solidly nailed down? It’s almost like people have a terrible time with nuance these days. On one end I see “men and women can’t be friends unless they’re fucking ever!” And on the other “they’re totally just a friend and you should just trust me when I say that and I shouldn’t have to be conscious at all about your feelings or boundaries in any way” Sure men and women can be friends while dating or married to others. Sure you’re a fucking idiot if you spend time doing 1 on 1 stuff with another person of the opposite…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 05:29 PM
3	Do dating age men have any interest in having a friendship with a woman who is solidly nailed down? I wish more people had this attitude. This idea your partner should freely trust you without you taking actions to earn that trust or continue to earn that trust being so prevalent is baffling to me. Just because I show up on time for events and people trust me to do so doesn’t mean I get to suddenly be inconsistent because they initially trusted me. If people woke up every day with the mentality that they had to start over new and earn their partners love and trust every single day people would…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 05:21 PM
4	Do dating age men have any interest in having a friendship with a woman who is solidly nailed down? This is exactly how it should be. My big issue I’ve always seen when people’s SO have opposite sex friends is they feel trust should automatically be given and you’re under no obligation to put your partner at ease. Just because your partner should trust you doesn’t mean you shouldn’t proactive in giving them reasons to trust you. See lots of people that like to go right up to the line of what is and isn’t ok and then use “but they’re just a friend” as a shield.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 05:13 PM
2	Just pay attention to her Again your advice is just horrifically misguided. I traveled for work, been all over the country and was paid to be friendly and talk to people. I’m very extroverted by nature and have 0 issue making friends. This is why I’m confident in telling you In the real world young people don’t talk to each other as much as you think or used to. There’s a reason young people get anxiety over people calling them instead of texting. If I want advice on a career I’ll talk to someone that has a successful ca…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 05:03 PM
2	Just pay attention to her There is having a hobby and then there is having an addiction and neglect basic relationship duties because of your ‘hobby’. Nobody is expecting someone to drop all their interests. Except this isn’t true at all. There are many many women that do expect you to drop hobbies. I’ve seen serval relationships where because the women doesn’t have any major hobbies of her own, what is normal time for the man to spend doing his seems disproportionate not because it is, but because the woman can’t entert…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 04:59 PM
3	CMV : RP's standards mainly filter out high libido/mutual attraction and lead to transactional relationships/ dead bedroom and is a terrible dating tactic Oh I don’t disagree. There’s always valid exceptions. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the general idea that don’t date someone that treats you different than others. That extends more than just sex. Don’t date someone that treats servers like trash but you nicely is a good example.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 04:43 PM
3	CMV : RP's standards mainly filter out high libido/mutual attraction and lead to transactional relationships/ dead bedroom and is a terrible dating tactic I’m going to assume it’s the AF/BB he’s talking about. Don’t want to put words in his mouth but if she has lots of partners but makes you wait is what most guys don’t like. Basically if you made everyone wait guys don’t mind waiting. If you didn’t make everyone wait that’s fine as long as I’m not waiting. I’m again making assumptions but that’s what I think he means.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 03:52 PM
0	Just pay attention to her Except that’s not how it often works both ways. Having hobbies and positive social/mental outlets is a good thing and sure can be taken too far. However, rarely if ever do I see men expect their wives to drop all their hobbies and pay attention to them nearly the same as in reverse. If your partner having a hobby deprives you of so much attention you start withholding parts of the relationship that screams low self esteem and insecure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 03:37 PM
4	Just pay attention to her Buddy the other guy is right. Times have changed. The best analogy I can use is how job hunting has changed. Now if you’re not one of the first applicants within 24 hours, if your resume doesn’t pass through an automated system because one sentence wasn’t phrased correctly etc etc you’re out. Won’t even get a look. You’re the one still giving advice like just walk in the door, ask to speak to the manager with resume in hand. It doesn’t work like that anymore. What you’re saying is good advice fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 03:29 PM
2	CMV: Most men would be content with women at least acknowledging how atrocious dating has become for males, rather than gaslighting them and insisting it was invariably something they were doing wrong or that it was their “personality.” Honestly the best way I’ve seen it, is from my experience both as an employee, and as an interviewer and friends and family with lots of mangers roles is view it as the current job market. Women are like companies and men are like job seekers. Literally the same struggles each of those have when it comes to hiring is how dating is. They each have challenges and are unique but because often neither side is in the position of the other so they don’t understand what it’s like. My SIL never understo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/23 03:37 PM
3	Clearing up the morality debate I understand hook up culture and sexual imagery can cause harm to people's self imagery and confidence, but I don't see how promiscuity is part of the harm, and I don't see how promiscuity by itself can be harmful at all. Promiscuity has many harms. Risks of disease being a huge factor. Not to mention long term physiological damage. Or that promiscuity can be a symptom of untreated mental illness. You wouldn’t have a bunch of young adults that feel used and have self esteem issues after engaging…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/23 04:44 PM
3	Clearing up the morality debate By inundating teens with sexual imagery via tik tok and Instagram at very young ages that try and normalize sexualization for starters. Are we going to stick our heads in the sand that this hasn’t been a huge concern about social media for the last few years now? Are we going to pretend it’s no coincidence one of the most famous families with the most Instagram followers in the kardashian/jenners where they became famous over outright sexualization like Kim’s sex tape plays no role in how young …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/23 03:38 PM
2	CMV Women rating 80% of men as unattractive just proves women find different things attractive That doesn’t mean anything because you’re not understanding what optimization means. If I have 2 shitty choices. I can still make a bad choice that’s optimized because it’s not the worst choice. So sure there’s plenty of 5’9” guys getting laid or dating. That in no way disproves the fact they aren’t being optimized for. You’re making this idiotic assumption that I’m simply referring to 6’ or above. If a girl has a choice between 2 guys, one that’s 5’7” and the other that’s 5’9” and she’s 5’5”, s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/23 11:00 PM
0	CMV Women rating 80% of men as unattractive just proves women find different things attractive Yup. My first long term girlfriend years ago dumped me after a year of dating because a rival girl on her swim team was interested in a guy. So she dumped me to get with the guy to get back the girl to hold it in her face that my ex could but the other girl couldn’t. We ran into each years later and she apologized for treating me like that after shocker the guy pumped and dumped her but she at least had the honesty to recognize why she did it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/23 10:44 PM
15	CMV Women rating 80% of men as unattractive just proves women find different things attractive And not just stories but OLD data as well. When the evidence shows this is a common thing across OLD and now almost half of relationships start from OLD, how can we continue to say this is some outlier?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/23 10:36 PM
5	CMV Women rating 80% of men as unattractive just proves women find different things attractive Most people don't make a spreadsheet of potential dates and "optimize". You really are dense. No they just scan a room and make shallow biased assumptions and approach based on these judgments. It doesn’t mean they’re not trying to optimize. By your idiotic logic ugly girls would get hit on just as much as hot girls at a bar. No what happens is if a girl sees 2 guys in a bar she’s going to look for the most attractive one to try and send signals to. That’s still optimizing choices. Even your exa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/23 09:58 PM
4	CMV Women rating 80% of men as unattractive just proves women find different things attractive Sure it’s anecdotal let’s just defer to the dating app data then that supports the premise. Nothing I’m saying is a unique experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/23 09:50 PM
4	CMV Women rating 80% of men as unattractive just proves women find different things attractive Where it’s a problem is all relative height just like most problems occur when you have varying differences in 2 situations relative to each other. Crime for example is lower in poor areas surrounded by other poor areas compared to crime in poor areas that are adjacent to rich areas. It’s the relative poverty that becomes the issue. People keep up with the Jones’s all the time even though their standards of living are high. You might not be poor but nobody wants to be the poorest person in their…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/23 08:57 PM
-1	CMV Women rating 80% of men as unattractive just proves women find different things attractive Where it’s a problem is all relative height just like most problems occur when you have varying differences in 2 situations relative to each other. Crime for example is lower in poor areas surrounded by other poor areas compared to crime in poor areas that are adjacent to rich areas. It’s the relative poverty that becomes the issue. People keep up with the Jones’s all the time even though their standards of living are high. You might not be poor but nobody wants to be the poorest person in their…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/23 08:57 PM
4	CMV Women rating 80% of men as unattractive just proves women find different things attractive Again you’re missing the point. They’re going to try and optimize the best of all the traits they can. That cute low maintenance girl is great. But if there’s a cuter equally low maintenance girl the guys are going to go with her. Men are going to go with the most physically attractive option that meets their other criteria. This isn’t some magically mystery either. All humans are actively going to try and optimize their decisions to the best of their ability. It’s why things like the sunk cost …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/23 08:11 PM
10	What are your thoughts on the research consensus being that women initiate domestic violence significantly more than men I read fine, I'm a lawyer. Oh dear god then please let me know what firm so I can avoid them like the plague. And "abuse is a crime" is a gross oversimplification. The criminal code only explicitly recognizes a few forms of abuse (mostly child abuse and elder abuse, situations where there is a dependent relationship). General emotional abuse doesn't appear in most state codes (I don't know about the weird ones like Louisiana). In all criminal codes assault and battery is a fucking crime you numb…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/23 04:49 PM
11	What are your thoughts on the research consensus being that women initiate domestic violence significantly more than men Because you’re a goober that can’t read. Injuries sustained doesn’t mean a crime didn’t occur. You literally don’t have to touch someone to get an assault charge. The data shows more men are abused by women. Abuse is a crime. We’re not talking about who gets injured more. Is stealing not magically a crime just because armed robbery is a greater escalation? Again let’s make this simple because you’re continuing to dodge simple questions. If a man calls his wife a ugly dirty whore slut or cunt eve…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/23 04:28 PM
11	What are your thoughts on the research consensus being that women initiate domestic violence significantly more than men Triage principles - you deal with the greatest harm affecting the most people first. And by the data more men are harmed by women. And your idea of triage principles when it comes to justice are nonsense. You’re simply trying to deflect because your bullshit narrative has no logical consistency. Let’s make this real simple. Yes or no Is emotional or physiological abuse not abuse because there isn’t any physical harm?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/23 04:21 PM
11	What are your thoughts on the research consensus being that women initiate domestic violence significantly more than men So that makes it ok? Shoplifting isn’t nearly as bad as armed robbery but look at what happens to cities that outright say they no longer care. Either physical abuse is wrong or it isn’t. Either you have principles or you don’t. This isn’t a hard choice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/23 04:00 PM
16	What are your thoughts on the research consensus being that women initiate domestic violence significantly more than men Yes because comparing grown women to children is sending the message you want. Because intent matters in literally all other scenarios. Who started it actually does matter in courts of law because we use it to determine if something is a crime based on intent. Hard to claim self defense if you’re the one to strike first in a bar fight for example. Someone breaks into my house and I shoot them changes if they didn’t break into my house like the kid who got shot knocking at the door. And the idea …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/23 03:54 PM
6	It makes perfect sense to wait for sex if you want a long term relationship. Yes. Chemistry is getting the job interview where compatibility is succeeding at your job.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/23 07:45 PM
10	It makes perfect sense to wait for sex if you want a long term relationship. Yup. It’s like buying a house without any bathrooms. Sure nobody is judging a whole house based on how nice the bathroom is. However, nobody is staying very long in a house without them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/23 07:18 PM
0	CMV: "Ownership" Explains Some Victim Blaming-Adjacent Behavior They absolutely do share in it though. Most social issues aren’t blamed solely on a single entity as a bad guy. Society fails men and feminists absolutely play a part in the control and direction of how that society fails men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/23 04:56 PM
2	It makes perfect sense to wait for sex if you want a long term relationship. Not getting sex right away is not a punishment. You’re missing the point. It’s not the sex it’s what the sex represents. Sex is a part of a healthy relationship for most people. To treat someone else differently in an intimate way because of bad actions of someone else is punishment. Your offloading your trauma and mistakes for your new partner to sort out an deal with. Once again, it’s not about her delaying sex to make the new guy feel bad, it’s about her delaying sex to make sure that she is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/23 03:57 PM
5	It makes perfect sense to wait for sex if you want a long term relationship. But her decision has nothing to do with him? It has everything to do with him. You’re punishing him for previous people’s mistakes. She made the decision to wait prior to meeting him. She didn’t with other. Just like that employer made the decision to not pay you as much as the new guy. If she wasn’t attracted to him, she wouldn’t even be dating him. That’s not true at all. Making him wait to prove greater attraction is easily a thing. She’s less attracted to him than the previous people. It doe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/23 02:19 PM
2	It makes perfect sense to wait for sex if you want a long term relationship. People have been having less sex statistically for the past 30 years. Most people aren't having a "bunch" of casual sex. This discussion isn’t about them is it. Stop confusing porn and sub cultures for average people. Hook up culture is a myth. It’s not. Just because many people aren’t doing something doesn’t mean many people are. Even if someone is apart of the hyper sexual sub culture, their casual sex history isn't a deal breaker for everyone. Sure but they can’t whine and complain if it’s le…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/23 02:10 PM
2	It makes perfect sense to wait for sex if you want a long term relationship. A man that's pressuring a woman to fuck, when her priorities are finding a long term partner, isn't a good match. No shit. You’re not saying anything profound. However if her priorities are a long term partner smart people don’t go out and have a bunch of casual sex because it hurts the ability to have that. A man who is focused on fucking, isn't long term partner relationship material. A man whose priority is on penetrating a women, isn't interested in long term relationships with women. And a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/23 01:53 PM
6	It makes perfect sense to wait for sex if you want a long term relationship. It’s almost like it’s a different kind of relationship and he will be treated differently because it’s a different kind of relationship. Yes it’s a worse one where he’s not as attractive or appealing. If he just wants to have sex with her and be tossed to the side like everyone else the he needs to open his mouth and say that. Or he can find someone who is still into having casual sex. No need to be upset because someone is in a transition period and you want to be treated like the people she’s …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/23 01:47 PM
4	It makes perfect sense to wait for sex if you want a long term relationship. You literally could replace engagement ring with casual sex and it literally makes OPs point. Smart people with good decision making skills don’t need to try casual sex to know it’s no conducive to finding a healthy long term relationship. If people are apparently smart enough to figure out how rings work, yet we assume they’re not smart enough to figure out how causal sex and relationships work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/23 01:41 PM
3	The left doesn’t need to cater to straight young men because they largely don’t need help Here’s a link to a post outlining the paper proposed by APPG on how to tackle suicide for men and boys in the UK https://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/comments/12jm02g/talking_vs_solutions/jg2bcp9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3 Here’s the actual link to the text https://equi-law.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/APPG-MB-Male-Suicide-Report-9-22.pdf	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/23 07:54 PM
4	The left doesn’t need to cater to straight young men because they largely don’t need help Literally watch the video I linked. It’s all discussed there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/23 06:53 PM
3	The left doesn’t need to cater to straight young men because they largely don’t need help Neither party caters to the working class. That’s absolute nonsense to think. The left likes to think they cater to the working class. They don’t.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/23 06:50 PM
5	The left doesn’t need to cater to straight young men because they largely don’t need help And there’s evidence that doesn’t work and that because we don’t care to understand men and how they think we treat them like broken women. It’s in how our schools operate and it’s how therapy operates. Opening up over feelings is not what most men actually need. https://youtu.be/5yyWlp6sTv0	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/23 06:45 PM
1	realising that the pool of suitable men for marriage is dwindling rapidly in your 30s it's the female equivalent of the shock that the redpill causes in men By nature of their divorce I would say they may be good people but as potential long term partners I would hesitate to say the words “lots” compared to “a few.” This biggest risk factor if you’ll get a divorce is if you’ve already been divorced previously.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/23 06:34 PM
1	Theories on why Average and Underaverage women are harsher on men than actually Cute women That’s your anecdote speaking. Just because you’ve never personally heard of it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Having been the big friend that other former friends used to expect me to bail them out of uncomfortable situations at bars and clubs, I would never expect to treat my friends like that. It grew tiresome expecting to be the person to diffuse or de escalate a situation where I have been in the crossfire for doing so. I would think the better solution for everyone is if the situation is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/23 04:49 PM
1	Theories on why Average and Underaverage women are harsher on men than actually Cute women That’s not true at all as men easily can become violent towards other men that interfere with them as that’s seen as damage to their ego. You’ve never seen a bar fright where innocent guys get caught in the crossfire simply because of their proximity to someone? It’s not just a women. A women’s friends pulling her away can be equally damaging to the ego and become a target. Pulling your friend into a situation you believe to be dangerous to handle it on your behalf is placing them into harms way…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/23 04:44 PM
3	Good female role models Because when you’re speaking to a general audience you’re going to make generalities. Is this somehow shocking? That’s like a speaker talking about how single motherhood gives worst outcomes for kids which is factually true as a general statistical statement. Just because outliers exist doesn’t make him wrong. The idea that a speaker should know about every single person in their audiences exact life experiences and tailor it to fit every single person is not practical or how this works. All gen…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/23 04:19 PM
-1	Theories on why Average and Underaverage women are harsher on men than actually Cute women But that doesn’t make sense because your friend is doing the rejecting and if the man is going to be violent you just placed her in direct harms way. You think a man that violent wouldn’t direct that at your friend that’s confronting him on your behalf? That’s like having a dangerous animal in your home and ask your friend to take it outside for you. That’s either really scummy or not the actual reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/23 04:06 PM
3	Most people under 30 are not meeting on apps Because your experience isn’t universal? It’s almost like confirmation bias is a thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/23 03:12 PM
1	Most people under 30 are not meeting on apps The plural of anecdote isn’t data. You’re in college know. I highly recommend you learn this fact and take a stats class before graduating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/23 03:10 PM
3	The "male housework list" or "honey do list" (the second shift) \| Sources from Dr. Warren Farrell See I do think they have the concept because no actual person I know considers the machine as part of the total work time. I think they’re saying otherwise to keep internet points up for the narrative they’re trying to build. Effectively they’re lying online, because nobody IRL actually believes or operates as they’re claiming.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/23 09:26 PM
3	The "male housework list" or "honey do list" (the second shift) \| Sources from Dr. Warren Farrell Because you’re not actually doing the work and can be doing other chores while that’s happening. That’s why it’s nonsense to count laundry as 3 hours. I can unload the dishwasher and do the laundry combined in 3 hours. I don’t honestly think I can take this seriously. If women actually don’t know that you can accomplish other tasks while the washer and dryer are going at the same time (highly highly doubtful) and are going to count that as actual labor then it’s clear they’re reaching hard to ex…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/23 07:45 PM
5	The "male housework list" or "honey do list" (the second shift) \| Sources from Dr. Warren Farrell Ahhhh yes fixing the cars as a hobby doesn’t benefit anyone else in the house at all. Because we all know everyone else in the house bikes where they’re going /s. Seriously people are so entrenched here to make the women to be victims in all possible relationships that god forbid someone suggest everyone in a relationship has tasks that are often overlooked and under appreciated and it’s not a gendered issue. You’re reaching and twisting hard to make everything suit your narrative. Women have un…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/23 07:41 PM
2	A lot of dating advice given by women here only works for women Being flirty with a girl with a boyfriend in the hope she’ll someday become single is emotional cheating on her part and scummy of you. Fuck off defending that scumbag shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/23 07:36 AM
2	Guys who struggle with dating have you ever asked a female friend how to fix your looks? Chris Pratt when he was in parks and rec is a dad bod. Chris Pratt now is what women think a dad bod is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/23 12:03 AM
1	Guys who struggle with dating have you ever asked a female friend how to fix your looks? That’s fine and would agree with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/23 07:38 PM
2	Guys who struggle with dating have you ever asked a female friend how to fix your looks? Yup. My barber is gay and it’s why I love going to him. He knows what styles look good on me that other women will like but he’s still a man and knows what styles I’ll be able to take care of and want to look at myself in a mirror and see.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/23 06:23 PM
5	Guys who struggle with dating have you ever asked a female friend how to fix your looks? Largely because the concept of dad bod is skewed. When many girls say dad bod they often picturing a guy with muscle definition but maybe not a 6 pack. The actual dad bod looks nothing like the picture they’re describing. It’s like when guys say a woman with no makeup look is the best. They think it’s no makeup when often it’s just very modest amount of makeup.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/23 06:21 PM
16	A lot of dating advice given by women here only works for women Yeah being an orbiter to a girl with a boyfriend can be scummy as fuck. The guy basically admitted she was emotionally cheating on her boyfriend for a year and thinks that’s the panacea to a happy long term relationship?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/23 06:11 PM
1	For a lot of men ages 20-30, their age isn’t perceptible at first glance. There is also a wide range of maturity levels/life experiences during this decade. So what exactly is it that women find “creepy” about a 30-ish yo man interacting with early-20s women? God forbid some issues take precedence to me because they directly affect me. Again that’s fine but you’re not a empathetic or moral person then. Own it don’t try and act otherwise. Just because a person can make their own medical decisions doesn’t mean they should be free to take drugs or alcohol at will. There’s nuance that you’re refusing to see. Except we don’t let children make their own medical decisions. There isn’t nuance because there’s no logical or ethical reason you can describe why …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 10:26 PM
1	For a lot of men ages 20-30, their age isn’t perceptible at first glance. There is also a wide range of maturity levels/life experiences during this decade. So what exactly is it that women find “creepy” about a 30-ish yo man interacting with early-20s women? Whether they have the life experience or not, they are affected by governmental decisions, they should have some say in it. That’s nonsense. 5 years olds are affected by these decisions as well. Should they be allowed to vote? This is exactly what I’m talking about. You think theyre moral adult actors when it suits you like voting. But not when it doesn’t. That’s not ethically or morally just or consistent. Great! Then we agree that simply because someone is the legal age for something doesn't m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 10:21 PM
1	For a lot of men ages 20-30, their age isn’t perceptible at first glance. There is also a wide range of maturity levels/life experiences during this decade. So what exactly is it that women find “creepy” about a 30-ish yo man interacting with early-20s women? Yeah. Because to us, women, other women will take precedence as it is something we can directly relate to as it affects us too. Congrats that you just explained you lack something called empathy and moral consistency. Makes the rest of this easy. Being sent to war at 18 is not something that has a direct impact on us. Men or women in North America. I doubt you were alive at the time of the last draft. You know what you were alive for ? Your mother getting harassed and cat called on the street wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 09:44 PM
1	For a lot of men ages 20-30, their age isn’t perceptible at first glance. There is also a wide range of maturity levels/life experiences during this decade. So what exactly is it that women find “creepy” about a 30-ish yo man interacting with early-20s women? I absolutely have. The potential for abuse and manipulation is considerably greater since young women don't have the life experience to recognize the red flags. And they have the life experience to vote? Drive? At what age is the magically life experience now achieved? You can drive at 16. Should be 18 You can drink at 21. Should be 18 You can rent a car at 25. You could always rent a car before 25, you just pays higher fee to cover the risk. You can stay on your parents' insurance until 26. Sho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 09:33 PM
1	For a lot of men ages 20-30, their age isn’t perceptible at first glance. There is also a wide range of maturity levels/life experiences during this decade. So what exactly is it that women find “creepy” about a 30-ish yo man interacting with early-20s women? »We exploit our men before they get to be old enough to make mature decisions before going to war and dying. THIS MEANS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FUCK THEM TOO.” That’s not the argument at all. The argument is I don’t see any of you pearl clutchers doing any advocating to raise the age for everything. You’re picking and choosing what and when they’re adults when it suits you. people, or more like teenagers, that get sent to war at 18 are exploited and lied to and abused. It’s not the argument you thi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 09:08 PM
3	For a lot of men ages 20-30, their age isn’t perceptible at first glance. There is also a wide range of maturity levels/life experiences during this decade. So what exactly is it that women find “creepy” about a 30-ish yo man interacting with early-20s women? You really need to get over this idea of "legal" being the same thing as "ethical." Except you’ve given no reasons why it’s not ethical especially since we determined they’re mature enough to vote, drive, kill in war etc. The fact you think a 19 year old is the same as prepubescent child and only demonstrates even greater your inconsistency. It's not logically inconsistent. Both military recruiters and older men who continually pursue much younger women are regarded as predators. That is perfect…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 08:42 PM
5	For a lot of men ages 20-30, their age isn’t perceptible at first glance. There is also a wide range of maturity levels/life experiences during this decade. So what exactly is it that women find “creepy” about a 30-ish yo man interacting with early-20s women? ”She wanted it” is the defense used by pedophiles all the time. Except a 19 year old is a legal adult and not a prepubescent child. ”Older men who date teenagers are just as predatory as military recruiters" is not the compelling argument you think it is. Except I’m not defend either. I’m calling out the logical inconsistency. Either they’re a legal adult with agency or they’re not. No, I recognize the line for the age of majority needs to be drawn somewhere, I'm perfectly happy to shame older m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 07:04 PM
1	Men are often richer for doing controversial non-nasty jobs that women don't want to do A nurse makes what a master electrician makes. They in no way, shape or form have similar levels of training or skill. One takes a test after a single, night review course. That’s simply not true and ignores the years experience on the job. They are entirely different skill sets. But equally as skilled. This is nonsense. A cna makes what a complete novice carpenter makes. Again wrong. Apprentice isn’t novice. You clearly can’t read where I explained this. One needs to show up with some skills an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 06:51 PM
1	Men are often richer for doing controversial non-nasty jobs that women don't want to do Your stats showed the same as mine? The only point of contention is the disparity of knowledge and responsibility between what a cna does and a guy on the job day one swinging a hammer. No it wasn’t. You were comparing the salaries of CNAs to all plumbers. That’s not the same level of expertise. And again that’s such a demeaning look at responsibility. That guy just swinging a hammer could be working on the the parking garage that just collapsed in New York. The fact you don’t see the outright c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 06:47 PM
3	For a lot of men ages 20-30, their age isn’t perceptible at first glance. There is also a wide range of maturity levels/life experiences during this decade. So what exactly is it that women find “creepy” about a 30-ish yo man interacting with early-20s women? And if those 19 year olds reciprocate those advances again what’s the problem? This still will always boil down to, if we’re ok sending 18 year olds to other countries to kill other human beings or be killed themselves then they’re mature enough to decide who they want to fuck. If you’re not ok with it then we need to raise the age for all other forms of adulthood. Not just the ones you don’t like. We need to at least pick an age and being morally and logically consistent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 06:38 PM
1	Men are often richer for doing controversial non-nasty jobs that women don't want to do If you want to have a nurse taking care of you who followed around another nurse for four years, and was able to pass a test after taking a short nighttime review class, then good luck. Where did I say I didn’t want them qualified? This has nothing to do with the original context again which is PAY. My sil is a nurse and says the same thing about doctors. It can be true, but I guarantee she isn’t letting a fellow nurse operate on her. That’s fine. That doesn’t mean it’s still isn’t an elitist vi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 06:31 PM
1	Men are often richer for doing controversial non-nasty jobs that women don't want to do I literally just responded to you. Calm down. I’m downvoting because you claimed you wanted apples to apples and yet shift the goalposts and ignored all context. You also then acted smug and pompous like you’re doing now. Edit: especially since it’s absolutely adorable that when I debunked your stats with my own you never actually addressed it in a meaningful way because when compared to labor trades there’s no evidence nurses are underpaid. So you double down on the incorrect red herring framin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 06:18 PM
1	Men are often richer for doing controversial non-nasty jobs that women don't want to do Yes, cnas are indeed PAID a wage similar to a carpenter’s apprentice despite being every bit as skilled as a licensed trade. The cna has already been tested and licensed. So has an electrician. Not at the same level. A CNA doesn’t have the same training as a journeyman for example. Someone who can give grandma her medicine, draw blood, and takes vitals …has a tech certification and has been tested makes the same amount of money as a guy who shows up the first day on the job with a hammer. Except…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 06:14 PM
1	Men are often richer for doing controversial non-nasty jobs that women don't want to do Apples to apples and oranges to oranges please If we are comparing pink collar women with associates degrees or less with blue collar men, the pink collar worker without higher education fairs worse blue collar men without degrees. That’s not the comparison. They claimed that CNA’s were min wage labor workers. Therefore you need to compare other min wage or low skilled labor workers in the trades. Not just all tradesmen. You’re claiming to want apples to apples but you’re not doing that yourself…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 05:29 PM
2	CMV: “Insecurity” and “Trust” are words increasingly being used to gaslight men Thank you. Too many people here feel entitled to blind unlimited trust without taking any proactive steps to give their partner a reason to trust them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 04:30 PM
4	CMV: “Insecurity” and “Trust” are words increasingly being used to gaslight men I think the main issue people have is this new age belief in that unlimited trust should be freely given and not earned and also can never be lost. People are treating it as some entitlement and one way street. That your partner should automatically trust you without you having to do anything to earn or retain it. Here’s an example. When I was in high school my parents sat me down and we established what my curfew would be. In this instance they would start my freshmen year with a midnight curfe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 04:26 PM
2	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Yes you are. You are saying that wives tell their husbands what to wear. So far 2 of us have said that isn’t true, though I also added that we will buy husbands clothes that we like. No that’s not what I’m saying. You’re the ones saying it NEVER happens. I’m the one saying it definitely does. But I’m not saying EVERY wife does it. For you to be right you would have to prove not a single women ever has done it because that was the context of your original statement. I don’t have to. I just have t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 03:24 AM
1	What % of women actually go through a “hoe phase” Maybe depends on the program and state too haha. My friends who went to an engineering only school that was 70% male had it even worse. Edit: engineering men aren’t known for the social aptitude to pursue women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 02:17 AM
1	What % of women actually go through a “hoe phase” If you’re in an engineering program in college it’s the standard. All the girls in engineering this was basically the status quo. You never had a chance because the minute you find out you had a chance it was too late.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 02:10 AM
0	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? No woman has 75% of her outfits as club outfits. That’s simply nonsense and a strawman. Expecting a women to not wear outfits she wouldn’t wear in front of her parents or grandparents, church, work, the grocery store, a funeral, office Christmas party etc isn’t an unreasonable ask. It may not be my standard or what I would ask but for some it it’s and that’s perfectly fine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 12:50 AM
1	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? I’m not the one making generalized absolute claims. So it’s not even. It refutes your point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 12:21 AM
1	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Yes so if your culture has a different standard than hers that you can't overcome then stop going on multiple dates with her instead of just bringing up a request of her to change her clothes once you've become exclusive as in OP's example. Yes never compromise ever and make every single issues an dealbreaker relationship ender. I’m sure that exactly how all healthy relationships work. Agreed. Which is why if you want to date someone who is not poly you should not agree to date someone who is po…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 12:20 AM
1	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Which is fine. I’ve never disagreed with that. I would caution people though to not make every boundary a hill to die on if they expect to have happy or healthy relationships. Not willing to make any concessions or compromises, and making every possible boundary a relationship ending dealbreaker is likely not going to result in the best outcomes. Asking yourself is wearing a low cut top that shows off your breasts a hill worth dying on over your relationship. To some people that might be yes. I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 11:33 PM
3	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Being irresponsibly drunk while taking care of children is objectively wrong. I didn’t say irresponsibly drunk I said drinking. There’s difference and you’re shifting the goal posts. Again that’s going to be a personal boundary. It’s by no means objectively wrong. Wearing revealing clothing isn't. Go to Utah and they think sleeveless shirts and skirts that aren't below the knee are scandalous. In Afghanistan you can't show hardly any skin at all. Cool. And different cultures and people are going…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 11:14 PM
2	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? You’re the one that can’t argue your point so you keep bringing in other ones. No I am arguing the point. The fact you can’t see why another example is proving your argument wrong doesn’t mean I’m not agreeing it. I’ve already explained why how someone dress can be acceptable when single but not in a relationship. You’re just being dense because you don’t have a rebuttal that’s logically sound. Yes or no is there behavior that can be acceptable in when single that isn’t in a relationship? Asking…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 11:04 PM
3	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? You don’t speak for all couples. I know many couples who absolutely do make their partners change for events or wear costumes they might not want for Halloween for example. You anecdotes don’t refute mine and you can’t claim this is a majority when you have 0 evidence to prove that other than your own bias and personal experiences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 10:47 PM
1	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? That’s a different conversation. That’s low key cheating. No it’s not. We’re establishing that behavior that’s acceptable when single might not be acceptable when dating. What that behavior is is going to be different to each couple. You’re equating wearing an outfit to cheating. No because not everyone is going to think that’s cheating. And wearing an outfit can absolutely be cheating. If you wife had a one on one meeting with her boss that she decided to wear lingerie even if nothing physicall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 10:41 PM
0	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? That doesn’t refute anything I’m saying at all. All boundaries need to be agreed upon and negotiated. I’m this case the man is expecting the woman to change to suit a boundary. She doesn’t have to agree and not everyone is going to have this boundary just like not everyone is monogamous. That doesn’t change the fact it is and can be a boundary.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 10:27 PM
2	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? How about this. You met your partner on a dating app. You were both single and just meeting each other. Is it controlling to then once you’re in a relationship expect them to delete the dating app off their phone? Yes or no?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 10:22 PM
6	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Just because you haven’t doesn’t mean other women havent. Too many people on this thread can’t seem to wrap their heads around the fact that because something YOU don’t do, or YOU wouldn’t agree to as a boundary doesn’t mean that’s the case for EVERYONE.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 10:16 PM
0	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Not at all. People’s clothes and entire wardrobe can change. I look at old photos of what my dad used to wear in the 70s and 80s and cringe. My mom wouldn’t be out of line expecting a 60 year old man to not wear cut off jean shorts, a mullet and a child predator mustache. I also doubt they people wearing revealing outfits is their only wardrobe. I doubt that’s what they wear to family gatherings, funerals, work, etc. Also Because people aren’t stagnant beings their entire lives. You might be fin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 10:09 PM
0	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Exactly. The simple example I use is dating apps. I always ask them people. That it’s Perfectly fine to have when single. However if their partner wanted them to delete them once dating what would you do? If they say yes then congrats they understand that boundaries can be different in a relationship vs single. It even applies elsewhere. I might not sweat $15 that a friend owes me. If he becomes my roommate I’m going to be a hard ass on making sure he doesn’t owe anything in rent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 09:51 PM
3	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Well yeah but the example you gave is monogamy that's mutually agreed on and wanted by both (assuming because... that's usually what it is). And how is that different then a partner wanting to someone else to change their behavior? If it’s mutually agreed that’s fine. If it’s not they will negotiate. That doesn’t affect the fact a boundary isn’t something just on what you can or can’t do but can be a limit on the other person as well. The person was talking about you can't just stop doing someth…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 09:40 PM
0	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? They probably do wear things like short skirts or shorts and cute tops that shoe cleavage fit family functions yes. That’s nonsense. The majority of girls aren’t wearing skirts that show their asschecks around their family. You’re trying so hard to die on this hill. No one wears club wear if you aren’t going to the club but for ops post he’s asking her to change the way she dresses not just an outfit once Not they’re not. Expecting the person to no longer dress like they’re going to a club isn’t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 08:48 PM
3	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? well no that's not the same because by definition monogamous is exclusivity to each other. It's inherent. It’s inherent because they made that as a boundary for their relationship. Just because it has a specific title means nothing. It’s still an agreed boundary on another person. Noone said anything about changing fashion that you like to wear because of insecurities. Except it’s not insecurities. Having expectations of being single that are different for a relationship isn’t insecure. “Babe wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 08:44 PM
1	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Sure. But that’s doesn’t mean you’re not allowed to expect them to do so either. It’s not controlling or bad to have expectations that change as people get older.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 08:41 PM
0	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Not at all. It’s just degrees. Complete style? You think the women dressing sexy dress like that all the time? Funerals, birthdays, church, work, at home? That’s nonsense. It’s not a style. It’s a style for a certain limited particular events or situations. I seriously doubt the women wearing clubbing revealing outfits are wearing that for their families Easter or Christmas holiday. Just like I have a suit for certain occasions, or jackets for certain occasions, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 08:21 PM
1	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? I agree with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 08:13 PM
2	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Which is fine. But just because the line is going to be different for different people doesn’t mean the line doesn’t exist at all. That’s the point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 08:12 PM
0	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Cool. That doesn’t mean it’s a behavior exclusive to men. This isn’t complicated. Edit: or how about consider why it’s discussed here is because women object to men telling them what to wear but men don’t object to women telling them what to wear and therefore there’s nothing to discuss in the reverse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 07:44 PM
0	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? That's simply a lack of understanding of what a boundary is. No it’s not. Just because it contradicts your worldview doesn’t magically make them not boundaries. That you take or that are done to you. That's it. Nope. Again nonsense. Your definition is literally contradicted by my examples. Just because you don’t want to say they’re boundaries doesn’t magically make your statement true. Telling someone they can’t fuck other people while dating you is a boundary that dictates their behavior. Plugg…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 07:33 PM
1	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? For some people it absolutely can be. I know plenty of guys that neglect their girlfriends for their hobbies and don’t put any time into their relationships. So yes it’s acceptable. Doesn’t mean that I would agree to it. However, some people absolutely would be. It’s called negotiation. Saying that just because people would negotiate that differently makes in unacceptable to address or negotiate at all is fucking nonsense. If I was golfing Friday Saturday Sunday, and my girlfriend wanted to me t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 07:12 PM
1	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? And I’m refuting you saying it’s unreasonable to have an expectation of another person to change when the dynamic changes. You said behavior is acceptable or it’s not. That’s nonsense. Behavior being single can be acceptable and not be in a relationship. I can come home at anytime I want when I’m single. If I’m married and coming home at 4 am every weekend my wife can absolutely not be ok with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 07:09 PM
0	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? No. If the kids are to small to be agents themselves, it might be. Of course not. Congrats those are boundary on the other person behavior. You seem to think "boundary" just means "a reasonable request" or "a good thing". It doesn't. Where did I ever say that? You’re making a strawman. Everything I stated isn’t simply a request. They’re not requesting you to not fuck other people when dating them. They’re telling you it’s a boundary and to not do it. The point isn’t that all boundaries are reaso…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 07:06 PM
0	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Which is fine. Just don’t pretend that because you don’t do it or see it personally that women don’t commonly tell men how to dress. It’s not just men policing their spouses wardrobe.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 07:03 PM
1	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Not at all. Women and men both have standards that aren’t jealous and insecure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 07:02 PM
0	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? You mean things that you have to agree to and can't expect? Yes, those things. You have to agree to monogamy. You have to agree to commitment. Congrats that doesn’t change my point at all. Just because boundaries can be negotiated doesn’t mean they don’t exists. You’re shifting the goalposts here. OP did when he said that it's because you're now in a relationship with them and it's reasonable to expect them to want to make you happy by changing that behaviour. And that is perfectly reasonable. T…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 06:59 PM
0	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Women are trucks now? Nice wonderful leap in logic. No one is saying the woman is a truck. The truck is an offering. Fashion and physical attractiveness are adverts? They absolutely can be. Are they not all the time? Of course not. But denying what your fashion choices says about you is fucking nonsense. Or do you think people who only wear designer brands never do so to look a certain way to certain people? Yep. Congrats. You just realized that doing certain things when single aren’t something …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 06:55 PM
7	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? That’s not true at all. I know plenty of married women that made their husbands change outfits before going to an event. “I don’t care if you like that tie it’s not appropriate for my companies Christmas party” Plenty of married woman absolutely will make their husbands change or tell them what to wear. Pretending otherwise is denying reality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 06:47 PM
5	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? That’s nonsense. By that logic all monogamous relationships fail that standard. If you had sex before me when you were single, am I no longer allowed to expect you to not have sex with other people since were now in a relationship? Also who says 5 minutes ago? I can be attracted to a girl who can shotgun a beer at a tailgate in college without wanting her to do it at a tee all game when we’re married with kids.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 06:45 PM
1	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? By that logic is saying you’re not allowed to fuck other people in a monogamous relationship not a boundary? Is asking your spouse to not drink or smoke around your kids not a boundary? Asking them to notify you before making large purchases out of a joint bank account not a boundary? Many boundaries can be enacted on another person behavior. Saying otherwise is nonsense. What those boundaries are and what’s acceptable is simply a negotiation between the parties involved. This isn’t limited to r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 06:42 PM
1	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Most of this is simply lokis wager and people are cam admit it. The assume just because the line may be different for everyone therefore no line exists is nonsense logic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 06:36 PM
1	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Your boundaries are about what you or others do to you, not what others do to themselves or others. This is simply wrong. There’s many boundaries that are based on what other people’s behaviors are. I know people on Reddit like to make this statement but it’s not sound. The simple act of being in an exclusive relationship already puts a boundary on the others persons behavior. You’re not allowed to fuck other people is the most simple example of this that the majority of relationships have. That…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 06:34 PM
0	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? I’m going to play a little devils advocate here. Sure but the attention can be different for different goals when you’re single vs in a relationship. If I put up a for sale sign in my trucks window and leave it there long after I’ve decided I’m not selling it, I can’t therefore get mad if someone wanting to buy it approaches me asking how much it costs. If you’re still trying to solicit the same attention you got when single when in a relationship do you want to be in a relationship? Would you d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 06:19 PM
4	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? I disagree with this. You cant force behavioral changes but having an expectation of behavior changing as you age is perfectly reasonable and healthy. Getting black out drunk and stumbling to class on a Wednesday hungover is funny when you’re 19-20. Doing it when you’re married and have kids isn’t. I would have no problem with a partner expecting someone to grow, mature etc appropriately.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 06:08 PM
8	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? Because women never tell their partners to change outfits? Have you ever met a married couple in person?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 06:05 PM
1	We hear enough about red flags on this sub, what are some of your dating green flags? Is good about honoring their commitments to other people. If she tells her friend she will attend their brunch gathering at 11 even if she’s not feeling up for it but made a commitment and still shows up on time. That’s a huge green flag. For one that should be for both sexes. Prudent with finances and delayed gratification. Most divorces are for financial reasons but the majority of people could be better with money, spending, saving, looking for deals etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 05:59 PM
6	We hear enough about red flags on this sub, what are some of your dating green flags? That a great one. Comes from a married non divorced household and loves here father is the ultimate version of this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 05:55 PM
3	What % of women actually go through a “hoe phase” Yup. Many of my friends joked about it with a lot of these women. That you had a very narrow window to make a move if she became single. And if you just found out she was single because someone told you it was already too late. The window had closed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 05:50 PM
1	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? If you all have to live there and the person is supporting you it should be done to the highest standard that someone in the household wants (in the equal time that the breadwinner spends at work). Bullshit. That’s not how the men that are the providers view it. If a man didn’t like his wife’s cooking then that’s his problem. It’s at the standard of the person actually doing the fucking work. It’s a joke because it’s so common how children and men don’t clean to moms standards, as you mentioned,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 04:49 PM
3	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? idk - except what is full equality in this case? If the woman wants to be a career woman she should have the same dating standards as the career men who’s position she’s trying to occupy. cause way i see it, wanting a man in either an equal economic standing or at least someone who can support himself is a very reasonable thing to ask for imo I would say the first actually unreasonable. The second isn’t. You’re wanting to have a career and enter the positions held by men and not take on the resp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 04:41 PM
4	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? Even in relationships where men and women work equal hours women still do more of the housework? If men actually can do all those jobs to an adequate standard maybe things would change, but the proof is in action not words and so far actions show men don’t do that. Except that’s not true. Even when both parents work men tend to work more overall hours at work. And now you’re moving the goalposts. You’re calling it an adequate standard. Many women are neurotic about how a chore must be done. That…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 04:28 PM
2	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? Oh 100%. Sounds like you made very prudent financial choices. Unfortunately in our current culture most people don’t make the same choices you did.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 04:22 PM
10	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? No because their women acted as maids/nannys/cooks/cleaners etc. They earned money because their wives did absolutely EVERYTHING else for them. Do you think men who earn a lot less in a relationship do this? Hard to do this when the women don’t actually want to be a provider. That’s the thing. You can’t assume the men wouldn’t do that if you’re never marrying men where you’re the sole provider. Yes actually. my dad made less than my mom and was the one often attending all my sporting events, coo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 04:18 PM
0	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? They are irrelevant. Most people male or female do not realistically earn enough money to adequately support another human being financially. It’s not irrelevant when you’re making wide baseless assumptions on those people. Your entire rant was how even the minority that can do it you’re immediately assuming they’re all failing. That isn't an opinion. It's a fact. It's a blatant statement, because it's literally the truth. Again you’re not fucking reading what I’m saying. I never claimed they’re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 04:12 PM
2	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? Entirely depends on lifestyle and priorities. Two DINKs living in a big city drowning in debt isn’t better off. Theres millions of people with good incomes living paycheck to paycheck. Income you’re likely right. Finances are more than simply income though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 03:55 PM
1	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? 18% is the minority... which means most couples both have jobs. I never claimed it was. It’s not a small popaultion though and your assumptions based on it show you don’t look at the data. I'd also like to see the data regarding the income and health of this 18%. Then you’re welcome to go look it up. I’m sure you’re going to find a spectrum just like 2 incomes families. 2 incomes living in the projects compared to a single income big house and yard in a rural community. I’m sure the couple in th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 03:52 PM
3	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? So she's an employee who is on call 24 hours per day, 365 days per year. How much is that job worth hourly? This is simply a lie. Even in the households where men are the sole providers, they still do all the of the home repairs, yard work, discipline and take care of their children etc. You’re trying to make a caricature of what a SAHM life is that doesn’t line up with reality. Locks are sufficient. What does the modern man need to "protect" a woman from? Considering women complain all the time…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 03:48 PM
9	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? I agree with this assessment. It just leads to the question do women actually want real full equality and abolition of gender norms and expectations? Because I have no problems with women wanting to take on the roles that were traditionally held by men. But they need to take on the entire role. Not the nice parts. That’s what creates a lot of gendered conflict. Wanting all the benefits of the other sex with none of the costs. Both sides are guilty of this but when it comes to this particular sub…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 03:34 PM
21	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? Is that how you think most men who outearn their wives for generations viewed women? Women hate when men on this sub compare them to taking care of adult children. Yet when you’re putting women in the more traditionally masculine role that’s immediately how you view the men you outearn. God I wish every pill on this sub could stay logically consistent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 03:30 PM
0	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? Better off in what sense? If you’re going from a materialistic standpoint and lifestyle maybe. From a fulfilling standpoint that’s extremely debatable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 03:28 PM
2	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? You’re really taking that to an extreme based on toms of assumptions. You seriously think that’s the experience of the almost 11 million stay at home parents? Many people do find more fulfillment taking care of their family than working for a company that if they died tomorrow would already have a job posting out before your body turned cold. I like how you’re downplaying the housing aspect like that’s some trivial meaningless thing. How about car, health insurance, all remaining bills, retireme…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 03:24 PM
1	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? Except many people do that. Youre assuming this. 18% of households so almost 1 in 5 has a parent that doesn’t work outside the home. Part of the reason many women become SAHM is because the cost of childcare isn’t offset by one of the spouses income. I grew up in a household where both parents worked and my mom outearned my dad so not a traditional marriage by any means. Yet knew many many people that had SAHM while husbands provided. The actual data reflects this still that even when they can a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 03:20 PM
1	Where Is an appropriate place for young man to approach a woman he likes in 2023? I don’t disagree at all. I’m not saying what other people should do. But just my personal philosophy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 03:08 PM
3	Men are often richer for doing controversial non-nasty jobs that women don't want to do Ok you moved the goal posts once and now you're doing it again. Not at all. You’re the one suggesting they’re comparable to men’s work and underpaid. I’m just showing that it’s paid comparable. My comment was about the fact that women do in fact do unpleasant or dirty work and then I countered your point about it being well compensated and now you're making it about skill level which wasn't what I was arguing. Except you didn’t disprove it. Nurses are paid extremely well. Just like many blue col…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 02:44 PM
1	Where Is an appropriate place for young man to approach a woman he likes in 2023? But the majority don’t. Lots of people get struck by lightening across the world every day. That doesn’t mean someone should live their life assuming they’re going to get struck by lightning. Just let it come to you is the single worst piece of dating advice given to men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 01:55 PM
1	Men are often richer for doing controversial non-nasty jobs that women don't want to do Sure the aides might not be but that’s not a skilled job like nursing. Many laborers in construction or apprentices make min wage to start as well. Same concept. The actual skilled jobs like nursing absolutely make above the median and often good money.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 01:50 PM
5	Men are often richer for doing controversial non-nasty jobs that women don't want to do And nurses are higher compensated than the median income for it. This isn’t disproving anything. Most women aren’t nurses though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 01:38 PM
2	Where Is an appropriate place for young man to approach a woman he likes in 2023? I agree with this. Not only that but even though I take it as a compliment if my friends want to introduce me to a friend because it means they trust me, I also don’t want if something ends awkwardly to reflect badly on my friend either. I don’t mind putting my own reputation out there. I don’t want to put those of people I care about out there though. It’s the same rationale why I wouldn’t date siblings of friends. I value that relationship too much that if it doesn’t work out I don’t want thin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/23 10:00 PM
1	Q4All Does the BP hate the idea of systematic approaches working because they destroy the idea of things just magically happening? I’m the planner of all my friend group and I can tell you right now it’s an thankless underappriciated job. Yes it takes work lining people’s schedules, budget, dietary choices, itinerary, transportation, etc. I just planned 2 golf trips for 2 different groups of friends. In one instance the waitlist is 20 months out. Had I not been proactive, put the deposit on my card, made an itinerary, etc. this once in a lifetime experience never would have happened. I don’t mind doing it because I’m good a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/23 04:55 PM
2	Arguments against Paternity Test at Birth are WILD Fair. That’s very rare though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/23 04:19 AM
15	Arguments against Paternity Test at Birth are WILD France outright banned private paternity tests and in order to get a court order one the mom has to consent is a perfect example.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/23 03:44 AM
4	Arguments against Paternity Test at Birth are WILD It also doesn’t help that women can’t physically be unsure of maternity so they have no concept of how men feel in this situation because it’s not one they would ever have to deal with. I always ask them if would you be ok with your husband or boyfriend belittling your feelings during pregnancy when it’s something he will never experience?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/23 03:42 AM
2	CMV: pushing RP theories like the wall encourages immature women with very little life experience to make rushed decisions about who’s genes to pass on Which is fine. But understand there’s trade offs with all those decisions. Those people you’re talking about that care more about their careers and education are going to have to grapple with serious social program issues when they’re older and you no longer have a younger population to sustain it. There’s serious economic consequences for it. Those same people are often pushing for greater social programs that need a healthy working population to sustain. Not to mention there will not be enough…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/23 04:45 AM
1	What is 1 specific thing The Red Pill is wrong about in your eyes? Just show them the people that manage to dial upwards in business. It’s the same example. Plenty of people can be terrible at their jobs and still manage to be successful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/23 07:49 PM
3	Male vs female income in childless couples Earnings gap not wage gap. Someone earning more doesn’t mean they were paid more for the same job. This has been explained ad nauseum at this point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/23 11:15 PM
2	whats the problem with a woman getting with a beta bucks? So what? The fair trade the person is talking about is sex for resources. That’s not a equal trade if the sex can stop at any time but the resources don’t. Doesn’t matter that the partner makes more. The amount of resources is entirely irrelevant. The person is claiming sex is a fair deal and the only way it would be is if sex stopped resources also stopped. If a man isn’t entitled to a woman’s body she’s not entitled to any of his resources if they split up. But that’s not how our world current…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/23 02:11 PM
2	CMV: We have turned relationships into leisure, most relationships are no longer focused on starting a family or working towards a common goal, as a result people are naturally gonna get pickier with their options Suicide rates are not a good measure of happiness. Suicide rates were lower in the past, even in groups of horrifically abused and/or enslaved/exploited. And you’re not asking why that is? Maybe people aren’t actually happier than 100 years ago like the person claimed. Pointing this out does nothing to disprove my point. Sure suicide rates may not correlate but it does disprove that we are objectively “happier”. I’m not saying people back then we’re happier. Just that people today aren’t more so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/23 08:52 PM
11	whats the problem with a woman getting with a beta bucks? Not if she wants to leave she’s still entitled to his resources and he no longer gets sex. No alimony, splitting of assets etc. then yes that would be a fair deal. Especially if she can withhold sex with the threat of leaving and taking resources. It’s by no means close to a fair deal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/23 07:17 PM
23	Why don't women understand that men have to work and have money? I’d argue it’s the single most valuable thing you should look for in a partner. 70% roughly of divorces cite financial reasons as the driver of their divorce. I would argue if you’re a cheap frugal person, marrying someone loose with spending will create more conflict than marrying someone of different religion, politics, etc. Not saying you should ask someone their credit score on the first date, but…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/23 03:56 PM
3	Why don't women understand that men have to work and have money? No the problem is there’s some truth to what he’s saying but instead of dispelling the untrue parts, you’re disarming everything. Yes women make more and have careers than ever before. That doesn’t change the majority of woman (again not all so don’t give me exceptions) want a man who makes as much or more and is as educated or more than her. This has been studied extensively. Again that doesn’t mean every single woman is like that. However, it is factually true to suggest even women with career…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/23 03:52 PM
3	CMV: We have turned relationships into leisure, most relationships are no longer focused on starting a family or working towards a common goal, as a result people are naturally gonna get pickier with their options But that’s what you are arguing. You’re saying people are verbally happier right now which isn’t the case. Being less miserable because you’re not forced into a role doesn’t mean people are happier. That’s the point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/23 03:47 PM
3	CMV: We have turned relationships into leisure, most relationships are no longer focused on starting a family or working towards a common goal, as a result people are naturally gonna get pickier with their options Per capita suicide is higher now than decades ago. Rates of anti depressants are also up. People are more unhappy. “But amid these advances in quality of life across the income scale, average happiness is decreasing in the U.S. The General Social Survey, which has been measuring social trends among Americans every one or two years since 1972, shows a long-term, gradual decline in happiness—and rise in unhappiness—from 1988 to the present.” https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2020/10/why-l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/23 03:29 PM
3	CMV: We have turned relationships into leisure, most relationships are no longer focused on starting a family or working towards a common goal, as a result people are naturally gonna get pickier with their options That’s missing the point. Sure not being stuck in an unhappy marriage is a good thing. That doesn’t automatically make them happier though. Being less miserable=/=happy. I’m sure someone would rather be in a happy marriage than being happy knowing they can divorce from an unhappy one. Like sure being stung by a hornet is better than a scorpion. Doesn’t mean it’s the ideal. All the data shows happily married people as a group have the most life satisfaction compared to other groups. Happily marri…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/23 03:26 PM
3	Men and negativity !!!! Oh I don’t disagree. You have to push the boundaries a little to make any progress. The most fun guys to be around and majority of my friends are those that can laugh at themselves and dish it out at the same time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/23 01:58 AM
5	Men and negativity !!!! This was wonderful to read. Sounds like you’re lucky to have good men in your life that exhibit those qualities.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/23 01:42 AM
4	Men, can you explain the urge to sacrifice your life for your woman? The question was about life or death, not “who has worse knees from working as a contractor.” To which you don’t understand that those jobs are dangerous and life and death. One of my buddies is a lineman. He’s being dangled out of helicopters to tie 10,000 V cables to towers to give you power. He’s had several coworkers die. The fact that many people (like yourself) like to trivialize the fact that men make up the majority of workplace deaths doing jobs only men will do, while they exist in the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/23 03:43 PM
2	Men, can you explain the urge to sacrifice your life for your woman? How about the fact men will sacrifice their bodies to do the dangerous jobs that keep our very infrastructure working at a very easily statistically significant level? Or is your only view of self sacrifice emergency situations where men also make up the majority of first responders? It’s also funny you’re worried about statistical significance when then you’re other evidence you admit is anecdotal based on 1 video. There’s no evidence women are far more likely to make sacrifices it’s just men a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/23 03:12 PM
4	Men, can you explain the urge to sacrifice your life for your woman? Not to mention women aren’t the only ones men would sacrifice themselves for. I have many males friends I would take a bullet for. Same with my brother, my parents, etc. largely because they’re important and meaningful to me. If I felt like that wasn’t the case I likely wouldn’t for a stranger. Remove and isolate men from meaningful relationships with friends, family, and destroy their relationships with women and you give them no purpose and nothing to be worthy of sacrifice and duty towards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/23 02:38 AM
14	Men, can you explain the urge to sacrifice your life for your woman? Yup. Not to mention that for many men self sacrifice and duty isn’t a bad thing if they feel that their purpose and sacrifices are done in service to those who appreciate them and matter to them. I have lots of male friends I would take a bullet for let alone girlfriends. It’s not just women men are willing to sacrifice themselves for. It’s why many men will take on jobs that are dangerous and grueling. Part of the reason I’d argue you have tons of male suicide and mass shooters now more than ev…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/23 02:34 AM
6	Does the past ever matter? See I would agree to a point but I think the problem is it still affects people even if they no longer do that behavior. Ask any addict that’s been sober. They will tell you they’re still an addict and always will always be. So while they may have changed and are sober, there is always an underlying risk of relapse. Additionally while they may have changed it could have also have permanent effects. Let’s take your drugs example. Are they going to say they can’t go to certain concerts or be in ce…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/23 04:59 PM
6	The job search is the same experience as the dating market It’s called the paradox of choice. Shockingly the more choices you have the less likely you are to pick one and the less happy you end up being. Every couple fight about “where do you want to eat” could be better understood if people looked this up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/23 02:17 AM
3	The job search is the same experience as the dating market Nobody is saying it isn’t. It’s just that having an advantage in one factor can significantly improve your odds. Or that not all factors are weighed evenly. I got my job by strictly applying online and had no prior connections. One of my coworkers in a similar role knew someone at the company and was given an interview. We were both hired but he absolutely had a massive advantage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/23 02:16 AM
8	The job search is the same experience as the dating market First of all, you both have the power to choose the other or not to. You don't have to accept a partner who treats you badly or who is interested not in you, but in your money. Because no candidate has ever turned down a job offer after interviewing with a company and not liking what they saw on the company end? The analogy still holds. Secondly, I guess it happens more often if you go on a date with people you don't know well or who are total strangers to you and you've met through online datin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/23 02:11 AM
2	Here are my dating hot takes. What are yours? It’s exhausting in the exact same ways that modern job hunting and interviewing is. Literally if you swap men for candidates and women for employers it literally acts and reads the exact same. Employers complain about too many bad candidates or unqualified candidates or people they hire but don’t stick around. Candidates complain about having to jump through a million hoops to out compete the 1000 other people’s resumes and handful of interviews to find they ghosted you or went with the more exp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/23 03:57 AM
1	If she’s into you, it’s painfully obvious. If it’s ambiguous, you’re an option at best whether she’ll admit it or not Because maybe for so long he stopped seeing the same benefits for doing things he didn’t like from you. You’re making it seem very transactional and if you were always forcing him to do things he didn’t like for years, finally offering a couple times doesn’t feel reciprocal. If you do something one sided for too long you eventually give up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/23 02:25 PM
1	If she’s into you, it’s painfully obvious. If it’s ambiguous, you’re an option at best whether she’ll admit it or not Have you considered the reason they don’t want to be romantic with you is because what he considers romantic is different than you? “Man I keep wanting to go to the Chinese restaurant we used to go to every week. But he doesn’t want to anymore.” “Maybe have you asked him if he wants Chinese or are you assuming that because you like it that’s what he wants? Maybe offer Mexican food.” That’s basically what is happening. Do romantic things HE wants not romantic things YOU want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/23 02:11 PM
1	If she’s into you, it’s painfully obvious. If it’s ambiguous, you’re an option at best whether she’ll admit it or not Maybe because you’re trying to be romantic how you want and not how he wants. Maybe instead of watching the movie you want to, you watch the movie he wants to if the goal is to show romance towards him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/23 12:31 AM