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Crazy that a psychology professor thinks that it's just the number of birthdays that reduce risk taking behaviors that lead to crime. Not, y'know, life experiences allowing people to grow and develop better impulse control. Hell if you take the cryogenic part literally it doesn't even solve the hormones part, since you theoretically thaw at the same biological age as you went under.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/26 10:04 AM
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At what pont do we stop excusing chauvinism because of something someone completely different did 35 years ago?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/25 01:03 PM
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Technically white collar here in a STEM job, but with an unusual amount of blue collar trappings as I work at a very small, scrappy company where we all have to get our hands dirty and do some legwork when a 1 ton delivery comes in. It's a nice middle ground that I'm happy to be in, definitely a more straightforward space than purist lefty spaces, but still not nearly as rowdy as a construction job, which I got to briefly experience during college. At work I might feel like people are still obli…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/25 03:59 PM
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I mean this place feels like an impossible oasis because of how ubiquitous the establishment left's blindness to men has become. Can't really do much populism without half the populace.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/25 03:39 PM
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Just want to be clarify since I thought "why would anyone even say that?" and re-read an alternative meaning: Are you calling the person you're replying to a pickme? Or Are you just saying you're a tender queer who isn't just a trust fund baby playing socialism at the country club? Because the quotes really make it read like the first option, but I can only imagine any sensible person wanting to pipe up with the 2nd option.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/25 03:33 PM
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I'm no woman, but I have occasionally seen people here at least claim to be so (it's the internet, y'know, skepticism is mandatory), so you needn't discount the possibility entirely. Regardless I can't provide the validation you maybe want, but hopefully I have something more sustainable than that. I think I agree with the majority of comments here in that the way you talk about yourself makes me believe your self-worth has been crushed to an unhealthy level and that is making everything else so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/25 03:12 PM
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Had an inside line to the writing team on the netflix Witcher. Watched the women there resent his popularity, passion and faithfulness to the source material and constantly shit talk him behind his back. It was really enlightening as to how desperately needed it is for guys to have each others' backs, because even someone as likeable as him wasn't enough to stop the jealous sisterhood rumourmill from spinning up once it became clear he wasn't going to simp for them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/25 02:34 AM
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I guess it resonates most strongly with the online hermits. To them grass is some mystical treat coupled to the experience of their bimonthly sun exposure. To everyone else it's just frickin' grass.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/25 11:24 AM
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I think intellectual rigor is great, I’m a trained researcher, but as I’ve progressed through my career, I’ve learned that rigor has to be coupled with story telling and circumstance framing that’s politically and emotionally strategic. I remember feeling like such a fool for believing academia would be free from politicking and social posturing getting in the way of discerning the truth. Seeing it up close and losing that naiveté was a disappointing experience. Always glad to see anyone not inc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/25 11:15 AM
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Why is this one FD signifier guy, of all the thousands of misandrist apologists on YouTube, constantly getting posted here? Is this some kind of rage bait marketing bullshit?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/25 05:01 PM
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You've just taken the victims from oldschool patriarchy and expanded it from "women" to "everyone" and kept the perpetrators as "men" and the outcome as "oppressing women" you've gone the long way around to get back to "the patriarchy hurts men too" again, and at this point you only need to look at all the tirelessly rehashed reasons why that's bullshit to see that theory needs more work. For a start if you're going to blame heteronormative presumptions affecting gay and trans men on the patriar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 11:03 AM
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This zero sum game thinking is exactly what the feminists do that we all hate so much but here you are copying them. That's... not... what a zero sum game is, like not even close. You can call me mad over a word if you want, I guess. I was just trying to explain how your phrasing could be read as a weirdly combative and unnecessarily demanding, since you were upset about recieving downvotes instead of the adoration you apparently thought that comment deserved.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/06/25 12:25 AM
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Accountability is being held responsible for your duties or obligations. OP had an opinion on male mental health month's placement and you came back with accountability talk about how many resources they have put into celebrating it. Like it's an obligation to buy in before you can offer criticism. If you'd just left the "accountability time" part out it would have just been whatever, but with it you're implying people are shirking an entry fee that doesn't or shouldn't exist. And I didn't say y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/25 08:49 AM
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You're probably getting downvoted because that's not accountability, that's just goal post shifting instead of addressing criticism. Would you tell a gay guy he can't have an opinion on pride month unless he has the privilege of being free to celebrate openly? Either OP's points are right or they're not, you don't need or deserve receipts for them to have the right to talk.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/25 02:04 PM
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It feels like, "I don't hate black people, I hate criminals". They think it's not objectionable, but it's usually painfully obvious that their biases say that both options are one and the same and this is just the safer way to say it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/25 03:51 PM
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Worse, the Commission needlessly elected to print the full names of the accusers in its decision, re-victimizing those most harmed by the inappropriate behavior. This not just apathy, it's malice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/25 06:42 PM
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Cook said the publishing landscape has changed “dramatically” over the past 15 years as a reaction to the “prevailing toxic male-dominated literary scene of the 80s, 90s and noughties”. Now, “excitement and energy around new and adventurous fiction is around female authors – and this is only right as a timely corrective”. Man I wish it was easier to tell who's trying to cover their ass to avoid being mobbed for straying too far from gynocentrism, and who has a truly broken sense of right and wro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 09:27 AM
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Keeping track of who and what institutions can be trusted can be key to getting good results. The lack of transparency and the sheer scale of people we have to interact with and keep track of in a modern society make that feel like an almost impossible task though. Even this account, as much as it feels right and my gut says is probably accurate, is just an unverified internet anecdote and doesn't really qualify as good cause to trust anyone. I understand that strangers have far less reason to t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/25 09:33 AM
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High blood pressure is the silent killer, but it turns out when people finally noticed how bad it really was they made very deliberate efforts to amplify the finding to save further unnecessary suffering. All of the media coverage didn't make dangerous blood pressures any less asymptomatic though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/25 08:40 PM
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Algorithm's still aren't foolproof yet. They throw stuff at the wall and see what happens, which sometimes includes throwing an identifiable woman into the "heterosexual sexy" category and seeing how the gooners react to see if it's true. Like I said, I think there may actually be more to the bias than a sex sells weighting, but it would be a departure from precedent if they didn't have at least some component of "show them more of the same, but by someone that they might also be physically attr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 11:12 PM
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Because that's what tiktok's and YouTube shorts' algorithms notoriously prioritize, heteronormative titilating content is one of the first angles they try on fresh accounts with no marketing data yet. Which if you're looking at predominantly male fandoms, means they try showing you women doing the same thing, but in gym shorts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 09:41 PM
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I'm sure the sex sells angle is a big portion of that YouTube algorithm. But I wonder if that's all, even on the radio and Spotify I've felt like a disproportionate number of female covers of classic male vocals have been pushed in the last few years. I just don't know if that's a publishing bias or a more organic excess of just more women wanting to put out covers lately
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 08:25 AM
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It's not that strange to me, just incredibly tragic. I've seen the way men who don't add that caveat get treated sometimes and I'm sure many guys who talk like that have personally experienced it before they learned to talk like that. It's like someone who's been bullied and has no hope of intervention and learns to just say the things that make their tormentors happy. So for a lot of these guys to exist, someones saw a SA victim opening up and thought "I'm going to try to humiliate and berate t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 08:05 AM
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They still have to have a defensible basis of similarity though. If someone thinks cosmetic surgery is wrong because it's like axe-murder; because they both involve cutting someone, they're not absolved from critique by saying "its just an analogy!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 06:30 PM
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What exactly do you want from the language barrier thing? I'm already giving you lots of extra leeway for potentially misstating things It's not like you're taking any precaution to avoid jumping to conclusions over language misunderstandings yourself, like the yelling fire thing because you somehow read my comment to be saying that all words are the same when I very clearly defined them as public responses to public statements of opinion, a much more narrow definition than just "words"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 06:21 PM
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I mean who's to say 🤷‍♂️ everybody's internet is curated and editted to some extent so I know my personal experience is by no means representative either, but personally, yes, I see it used that way a lot now. I will say I believe there are a lot more guys who are genuinely well intentioned but awkward or even cringy than there are genuine oldschool "niceguy" style wolves in sheep's clothing. So based on preponderance of targets I'd not be terribly surprised to see that the major usage has shift…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 04:26 PM
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I'm firmly against using terms that are labeled unintuitively or ironically. It's just more trouble than it's worth. Turns out that way too many people take things almost exclusively at face value. Niceguy once upon a time used to mean what you say, like feminism once upon a time used to mean equality. Now their usage has evolved to match the names, feminism is thinly veiled gynocentrism and a niceguy is just a guy who is nice but otherwise uncharismatic or undesirable. You can say they're using…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 04:08 PM
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The idea that incels are just people who can’t get laid is incorrect it’s a real thing and it’s dangerous... ...I can’t reason with people who refuse reason... ...The [these?] people are dangerous.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 11:17 AM
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Yeah, it's true that the vast majority of breakdowns result in self-harm not mass shootings. But the inverse is also kind of true, before a mass shooting happens often someone has been pushed to imploding, so anything that pushes large numbers of people to break does marginally increase the risk mass shootings. I will say that I'm not even sure if even close to half of mass shooters are like that, a very large proportion seem have different, longer term problems like a fascination with death and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 11:12 AM
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No explicitly I guess but saying blanket stuff like "they're dangerous" and "they refuse reason" certainly comes with an implication. We don't exactly let other fearmongering dog whistles slide just because they didn't explicitly say something like "don't even bother trying to help brown people"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 10:58 AM
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Free speech isn’t equal to freedom from a response or condemnation of what you are saying, or even just the fact that you’re being counterproductive. This narrative is very prevalent in western countries and I don’t know where it comes from. It comes from the fact that you obviously feel it's right that you are able to freely advocate for your beliefs in public. I don't know how you can't see that the application of "not freedom from response" doesn't also apply to yourself, and saying that whil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 10:47 AM
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I can’t reason with people who refuse reason. Look we've all had people who are difficult to reach. But very few people outside of actual clinical psychosis are actually beyond reasoning. Your attempts were unconvincing and they ignored you. It's fine to walk away at that point, it's nice to try and help but no-one should be required to break their back if it's not working for them. But at the very least don't try to stop others from trying to help too. This tendency towards "they're obviously b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 10:31 AM
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Damn patriarchy wouldn't even let them have the term incel. /s Now they've become femcels or, my favorite alternative, nomen
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 10:18 AM
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You'll find thousands of talking heads on tiktok decrying the inverted standards of how if a woman sleeps with lots of partners it's seen as negative but for men it's seen as positive. I've never seen any of them comprehend that if that's the case then calling a man an incel is every bit as disgraceful as calling a woman a whore.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 10:12 AM
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Ref 5 was discussed here a little while back, albeit with a slightly more sensationalised title, if you want to look at the discussion back then too. https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1hwjzsc/91_of_middleaged_men_who_died_by_suicide_had/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/25 05:06 PM
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I think people would do a better job at communicating past their differences if they could keep a level head instead of giving in to the desire to be the main character of a dramatic narrative. When I saw "targeted" I presumed harassing DMs, threats or being chased to other threads to continue the disagreement. But these are just somewhat impolite public responses directly to public comments you have made. If anything making this separate series of posts would be closer to targeting than that (a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/25 02:53 PM
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Countering fearmongering does require a fastidious dedication to accuracy, because people don't tend to believe anything you say after the first mistake they see. And I'm afraid your numbers are way out. In the UK where this applies, the rate of transgenderism for 16-24 is a little over 1% now. 16-34 it's more like 0.8% average. The 16-34 demo makes up ~25% of the total population. So even if ignoring all the transgender individuals <16 or >34 years old, a village of 500 people probably has easi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/25 08:38 PM
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They were such a farce that I thought it had to be a troll poisoning the well with an exaggerated strawman. But I really couldn't figure it out, if they were a troll they're singlemindedly dedicated to only alternating between counter-productive meltdowns about trans people, and obsessing over JRPGs, including praising characters that are typically trans fans faves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/25 08:14 PM
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You used to occupy feminist spaces back in back in 2021-2022 From an account that is only 1 year old, that's hard not to read as some creepy stalker and block/ban evader behaviour from the outside. Might I suggest a pet cat? They're lovely and it's hard to be excessively angry or fixated with a furry friend on your lap
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/25 06:08 PM
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Are you a chatbot or did you genuinely forget what you said two hours ago and now suddenly disagree with it because you think I said it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/25 05:37 PM
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Yeah are centering your conclusions primarily around online rhetoric & online interactions, which is not reality. . North America isn't the world, nor am I American or Canadian. Either that's one hell of a goalpost shift, or you're under the impression that the USA is a fictional place. Either way I don't think it's looking good for your credibility.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/25 05:16 PM
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If we're separating original ideal from modern usage for feminism then we should probably do the same for left and right wing. By the modern usage where left and right wing just describe the positions of the respective left/right establishment political parties, then modern usage feminism is still a firmly left-wing movement. The nominally left wing parties support it, and the nominally right wing parties treat it as antithetical. By the idealised original intent versions feminism and leftism ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/25 06:55 AM
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I'm comfortable with it, somewhat unfulfilled because it's so stifled and villainized that I rarely get to express it openly except with the "IDGAF what people think, I a man's man" types, which aren't truly who I'd pick in an ideal world, but it'll do. As for the "aren't most here masculine?" I think this is the truly male focused (as opposed to places running apologetics for female chauvinism like menslib) community I've been in with the highest proportion of guys who would say they have more …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/25 11:14 AM
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Literally non of those problems are inherent to pro-male ideologies, they're just things that have happened in specific ideologies. Pro-male ideologies don't have to fail, men without those faults just have to stop expecting them to fail.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/25 10:53 AM
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Some effort to describe the subject matter in more detail would make me more inclined to click random shows.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/25 02:22 PM
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As you've already seen, it's an insult not an argument. It's harder to give a singular best comeback because it's more about the who and why they're insulting you than the how. The biggest one is the having the confidence and resolve to not to get shaken by them trying to make things personal. As others have said, you've probably already won the rational side of the argument if they're resorting to that. The insult is a secondary conflict running in parallel, but rhetoric is as much leading peop…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/25 05:20 PM
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No I'm telling you other men are proportionately more lonely because they have had many opportunities that women have to build healthy relationships denied to them on a systematic level. Because I'm not an asshole incapable of understanding others' difficulties just because I'm doing fine.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/25 12:37 PM
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It's such a weird bootlicking mindset to demand the common man minding his own business take accountability for the government and other billion dollar institutions actively sabotaging them, instead of the institutions actively fucking with them taking accountability for their own actions. You say competition is a natural state (ignoring the fact that mutually beneficial social cooperation is what set humans apart and let them thrive more than any other species on the planet), but men are banned…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/25 10:46 AM
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I'm sure you think you're doing you're doing some enlightened libertarian personal responsibility shit, but to me it all just sounds like telling the victims of the Tuskegee lab experiments "why should the government bear the burden of fixing untreated syphilis?". Why? Because they caused it, of course it should be their burden now! We all accept that it's fair to place to burden of fixing someone else's car on anyone who damages it through careless or selfish actions, now apply that principle t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/25 04:32 PM
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Yes and the idea that the earth is flat -comes- from the observation that the ground is flat. Which just goes to show how focusing on single observations will lead you to stupid answers. Especially inaccurate ones, since you can measure the curvature of the earth over as little as 30m if you have accurate enough instruments. I didnt say it was the only objective truth that matters, I said it was the only objective truth that matters -here-, as in the conversation I was having with someone about …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/25 09:27 PM
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The part where their actions showed they never wanted equality, just to turn chauvinism in their favor. Or are you the kind of preening guilty bougie that thinks saying you want equality whilst actively hoarding everything for yourself the ideal form of leftism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/25 09:11 PM
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Man, they're chanting "foreigners out, Germany for Germans" on the streets in Germany whilst an ostensibly left wing party has the most seats in parliament. The UK's left wing gov is demolishing disability welfare to the point some people are probably gonna die on the streets. Most the rest are no better. That old "USA's left is European right wing" is such an outdated boomer take. USA's left is no worse than Europe's currently, for better or for worse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/25 08:58 PM
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Man, you're here on a male advocacy sub and you're still slipping so easily into sweeping generalizations like men the right deserve anything bad that happens to them, they're immoral and stupid anyway. I've heard the men version a thousand times before, I've never once thought it was OK. Being moral and decent takes way more effort than that, frustration makes failing to live up to that standard more understandable, but it's still not right. Like it or not a fraction more men are right of cente…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/25 02:59 PM
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The how comes from objective observations, or at least it should do if you don't want a disaster. Maybe you think I'm being too strict with terminology, but I think the idea of saying that little subjective moral goal is the "only objective truth that matters" is wrong. It's neither objective nor the only relevent info. It's also self-sabotaging, and you can do you, but trying to block others with that rationale is sabotaging them and then I'm gonna take issue. I dunno about you but my experienc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/25 01:28 PM
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The only objective truth that matters here is that we should all do our best for each other regardless of identity Great, so now how exactly are we going to figure out what "doing our best" is if we're going to just ignore all other objective truths? This is like saying "the best thing we could do is create a utopia". Well duh, but we still need to think about the how at some point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/25 11:51 AM
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I would even argue for just feminists. I think we've all seen male feminists who are perfectly happy to throw innocent men under a bus to get what they want. In general, I think the template should be to endeavour to remove inherent traits from the accusatory side, but you can have inherent traits on the side of the wronged if the accusation is specifically of bigotry, as identity is the actual reason why they were targeted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/25 10:49 AM
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You still have to read the source to make sure the source says what the chatbot says it does. Validating it properly takes about the same time as just googling it yourself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/25 10:41 AM
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The framing of that story as misogyny is just more of how so many people think of men as tools not people. It doesn't matter that they tried to help her, they didn't succeed and therefore are deserving of shame and scorn. Good intentions count for nothing when most people judge men, they only value what resources and results you bring with you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/25 03:32 PM
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To be fair, they're not actually succeeding in making men read less, they're just changing where they go to read. They're literally just trying to make their own legacy publishing model obsolete faster. Just look at the length and depth of comments here if you think male literacy is really down that low. Men are still getting their literary workouts, it's just now on substack, or private forums or literally patronised content (patreon etc.)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/25 03:25 PM
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I think it looks like rage bait and/or shameless self-promotion. Down with grifters.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/25 03:15 PM
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Communication Gaps: The left struggles to effectively communicate with young men, often using complex language that is less relatable. In contrast, right-wing messaging tends to be simpler and more digestible. Holy fuck, how condescending can one statement get? It's a penis not a learning disability. Young men are no less interested in complex language than young women and to casually broach the idea that this is one of the causes of the gendered political gap is insanely insulting. Young men ca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/25 03:12 PM
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I assume the downvotes were for "because misogyny is genuinely rampant". I've spent time in both countries, there's even less misogyny in the UK than the US. They're absolutely terrified of being called misogynists over there, I think that's part of why the feminist vitriol is so rampant, no one will push back.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/25 11:47 AM
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Fair enough, I saw a two questions that didn't apply to their statement and thought they looked like deliberately leading questions. I guess badly misunderstanding the whole concept was another possibility.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 12:40 PM
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It's petty disingenuous to put the word "recognition" in their mouth when they explicitly said it was inaccurate. Yes "recognizing" inaccurate stereotypes is a fundamental form of bigotry, why did you even need to ask? It's the difference between "women are generally shorter than men" and "women are generally less honest than men". The inaccuracy is a key difference, which is why you're better off not making generalisations like that at all until you have hard, rigorously tested data. A theory a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 10:06 AM
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Some gynocentric advocates actively want to create monsters like that, although they phrase it like they're just "revealing men's true nature". Driving men to irrational fury, in small, controllable numbers, makes an excellent justification and recruitment tool for their bigotry
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 07:05 AM
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They spend spend three paragraphs scaremongering about Tate influencing the Southport mass murderer (who had instruction materials from legit terrorist institutions like Al-Qaida) then drop this admission. In a statement read out by their local MP in a Commons debate on knife crime on Thursday, the parents said that teenage boys need to be protected from the “terrifying” impact of Tate. Rudakubana wiped much of his internet search history before the attack and it is not known whether he ever vie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 06:53 AM
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Influencer culture is such a travesty. The people best suited to keep up with the level of dishonesty and delusion incentivized by the system are people who've already been warped by traumatic experiences. And instead of being encouraged to rest and repair their interpersonal skills, billion dollar conglomerates throw money at them to disintegrate their mental health even further to entertain the crowds, like a sick circus master. The people running this are people who looked at P. T. Barnum and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/25 05:52 PM
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radfem screamers are the majority of online I don't care who does the majority of the talking, I care who controls the actions. The actions taken against Erin Pizzey, Earl Silverman and even milquetoast critics like Camille Paglia show that misandrists, not egalitarians, drive the majority of organised action in the name of feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/25 04:21 PM
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There is a large number of feminists who base their entire ideology on misandry and rejecting men's issues; they are uncompromising, unsympathetic And they will never stop, they need to be cut off from the same resources as those with truly good intentions so they can't do so much harm. It has become clear they will never let go of their grip on feminism, so instead the good people will need to go elsewhere. Equality by any name is still equality, good people can and should recognize that. For e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/25 04:02 PM
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Was it actually productive? One of the big leverages against male advocacy is the threat of social ostracization or institutional blackballing. Once people are checked out of all that, that leverage is gone and they can be much more open to the idea of taking male advocacy seriously, like the OP himself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/25 11:17 PM
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Yeah, you can't just expect society to flip from villifying men to helping them in one easy step. The first step is to disrupt groups and institutions that actively spread hate and seek to hurt men, 99% of which is done under the guise of feminism. OP is putting the cart before the horse. And you don't have hate something to fight it, but you still have to fight people who hate you if you want to protect yourself. Saying you won't fight because you don't want to hate back is misunderstanding the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/25 03:40 PM
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You know the old adage about if you can't say anything nice? The same should really apply to saying something useful. If you say you can't be bothered to argue with something, then don't argue. Arguing but refusing to actually state any specifics as some bizarre performance of self-righteous indignation is more embarrassing for the people who agree with you than it is convincing to the people you're trying to browbeat.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/25 10:47 PM
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It's such a sham that feminism will stand so firmly on abortion rights at home then suddenly turn full pro-life abortion-is-murder rhetoric when somewhere else in the world there's a chance to claw together the only modern femicide narrative. Meanwhile there have been multiple indisputable androcides (lol auto correct doesn't even recognize the word, has no problem with femicides though) around the world since the 1980s even outside of war. You know why Kurdish insurgent fighters have historical…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/25 10:36 PM
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I mean fascism is a spectrum too, doesn't mean we can't judge broad ideologies for their overall impact. Very few ideologies stay monolithic, only the most brutal suppression of heterodoxy can keep an ideology from divergence. Do we really want to be so hand wringing that we won't call out an ideological spectrum that ranges from intensely harmful to just relatively benign? Adding up both sides still averages out to making the world worse overall. Why not chose an ideology that ranges from relat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/25 10:13 PM
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Genocide toward men is the default through out the history. Tbh I wouldn't exactly say the default, but it is historically commonplace and it's weird how little people recognize the examples for what they are. There's lots of examples in ancient history where a city/territory loses in war and the civilian men are systematically slaughtered whilst the women and children are just taken captive, like the cities of Melos or Hysiae.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/25 07:32 PM
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It's not so much designed to create a reaction as it is to create or maintain a delusion. Sufficient quantity can be more effective than quality for shaping people's perceptions, so as long as they can keep sending out 100 unsourced claims like this to every 1 sourced and validated rebutal, many people will still internalize the unsourced claims more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/25 08:26 AM
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Oh yeah, I know it's only a subset of straight/bi guys who will sacrifice their dignity like that. After all the biggest demographic here is still het guys. Just that it's enough that the disproportionate representation of non het men doesn't surprise me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 03:40 PM
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Hell the man doesn't even need to be the abuser, he just has to be anything less than a perfect saint to bring out the man hating. I've watched a contentious divorce happen, no DV or anything like that but both parties being more or less equally spiteful to each other at the end. And I watched a mutual friend of both parties, who is a school teacher and has three young sons herself, send "Men should start off in prison and earn their freedom through good behavior" to the ex-wife. Because the ex-…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/25 06:23 PM
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Proportionately I think homosexual/ace men specifically are far more likely to push back on feminism's chauvinist overtones when they encounter them. Seems to me at least some het/bi men will bite their tongues for what can only be described as simp aspirations, but gay men have nothing to lose but their chains. I've seen at least a couple of feminists recognise that pattern themselves and genuinely try rationalize it that gay men are more misogynistic. Unfortunately, I've yet to see one use it …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/25 05:57 PM
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To be fair the OP didn't split the trans options into het/non-het, so there's still an accurate single category for everyone, the trans options are just broader scoped than the cis ones.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 09:36 PM
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The bowl of skittles argument for men comes so easily because it rests on the skittles being disposable. You don't need to spend the effort to sift through and test for the individual poisoned ones when it's cheaper to just throw the whole bowl away and get new ones
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/25 06:57 PM
1

It feels disproportionate how often I've seen people here lose it here over mild negative feedback on the misuse of words. I mean I get that a lot of people here might be frustrated about the subjects covered and generally defensive because of that, but I can't figure out why language ability seems like a specific sore nerve.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/25 06:40 PM
1

At its core, conservative ideology often revolves around individualism, self-reliance, and minimal government interference. Just in case anyone takes this for a one size fits all guide. This describes only the libertarian adjacent conservatives. Which I'm not even sure count as "most" conservatives currently. There's also the America first conservatives, the evangelical conservatives, and the economic boomercons. Who all believe very different things about government size or who should be subsid…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/25 02:43 PM
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As the article mentioned with its euphemistic "reduced gate closing, no increased gate opening" it tends to increase their willingness to let the father do periods of childcare on his own, it doesn't tend to increase their respect for you as an equal parent and they still tend to think the mother is the only "real" parent. Burned almost all my savings after firstborn to take 6 months off for full time co-parenting. I went back to work and my schedule was 4 hours solo parenting in the morning, le…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/25 01:50 PM
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Even if we eliminate the capitalist side with budgets etc. It still doesn't change the fact that there are a limited number of people able to do medical research. At some point you have to apportion that number to tasks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/25 10:58 AM
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There's a real problem with using existing names for things in a way that needs translating because the definition is nothing like what anyone's first guess would be. If you're constantly having to explain to people that your idea of rape culture isn't supposed to mean a culture that normalizes or is even just apathetic to rape, then rape culture is a terrible title for your ideas. Because that's not what everyone else hears when you say rape culture. Even the video you linked explicitly defines…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 03:59 PM
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Yeah, I phrased that poorly. That's why I was ambivalent about counting it, it can be leveraged into benefits, but they're not just automatically given and if not leveraged sometimes even becomes a negative.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 03:43 PM
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I know this sounds odd. But I describe benevolent misandry as men being praised for adhering to gender roles. Yeah no, that's not how I, or anyone else I know, uses the term benevolent sexism. You're just describing gender roles in general. Benevolent sexism is where people treat you in beneficial ways purely because of your sex, regardless of anything you did. It's stuff like "women and children first" or exempting all the women in a group from mandatory physical labor or only sending one gende…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 11:42 AM
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It's a term that has gotten too broad and too ill defined term to simply say if I believe it exists or not. To me that is in and of itself grounds to refute its existence. An idea with no clear definition and malleable boundaries is no idea at all, it's just a propaganda tool. Even if I were to clearly define a personal version of it, I'd still end up indirectly lending credence to other people's twisted versions too because rarely is human information sorting perfect. I'd rather use a different…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/25 11:49 PM
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If it was just a regular guy I'd be inclined to be sympathetic to the idea that it's a miseducated learned behavior or even a survival mechanism from growing up surrounded by pervasive misandry. But successful short-form content creators like this? They don't start with benefit of the doubt, they've already passed the litmus test for being proficient manipulators by succeeding in that cutthroat, parasocial field. It's too likely they know they're being dishonest in what they present and they're …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 03:45 PM
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Bluesky, by contrast, is less algorithmically manipulated That's like saying your dictatorship is "less corrupt, currently". If that's second on your list of selling points I have to question if the structural difference isn't negligible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 10:00 AM
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Ignoring the strawman that the other guy didn't say: Feminism is literally an ideology you choose to support, being a man is an immutable characteristic. That's like equating "all capitalists are harmful" with something dumb like "all PoC are dangerous"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:15 AM
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Usually finding out you were wrong is time to introspect, not time to start telling people they'd be surprised how right you are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:06 AM
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I don't think they're saying that behaviors are inherently tied to "masculinity" and that those need to be eradicated. If they're saying the only reason people do those behaviors is as a performance of "masculinity", then they are defacto saying they're intrinsically linked. As long as they believe that they won't consider "masculinity" the social construct eradicated until nobody does those behaviors anymore. It just sounds like the same misguided belief that says male physicists as a whole mus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/25 01:38 AM
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Their contention is that everyone enacting "masculine" behaviors is just doing it as a performance, it's not just an offhanded comment, they've repeated it throughout the thread. If they think all those behaviors only exist because of the concept of "masculinity", then their vision of eradicating masculinity is also a vision of eradicating those behaviors.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 05:01 PM
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I don't condemn draft dodgers, but is someone is not willing to deffemd their country and constitutional rights, they should not demomize the latter or those who support it. I don't think anyone is demonizing people who willingly sign up to fight themselves. It's the people who decide to kidnap or kill their peers who don't agree with them that are getting demonized. Being forced to do work you didn't agree to under the threat of violence is slavery, I'm fine with demonizing slavers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 04:49 PM
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If you're going to pretend that playing sports and lifting weights aren't part of the mainstream conception of masculinity but crime and domestic violence are. Well fine, it's an arbitrary construct you can be as confusing with it as you want I guess. But at that point you're just inventing problems that only you need to change to solve, so I don't know why you're trying to crowdsource the solution. As for all behaviors being learned, who's teaching all the newborn babies to scream when startled…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 04:20 PM
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There is no "nature" to a social construct. It's whatever you define it to be, and how well that aligns with actual nature is incidental. What you've done is take a bunch of behaviors prescribed by a social construct and unilaterally declared them performative without even attempting to explain why they can't be organic behaviors for at least some individuals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 03:52 PM
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This all sounds like excellent work, thanks OP for actively taking part in keeping good intentions from being misguided.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 11:17 AM
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airing on the side of caution It's a weird anachronism but it's supposed to be "erring on the side of caution". As in "if there's any error, at least it's on the side of caution" No hate, just like to think there's no harm in helping each other learn.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 11:14 AM
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... Yeah, that was my point. They are individuals who just happen to be guys. OP wanted to take traits that are traditionally male gendered and eradicate them, which isn't getting rid of gendered expectations it's just inverting them so now the sports and fitness bros would be ostracized instead. Instead of ignoring the expectations and just letting people pick their preferences, even if they were the expected ones.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 10:54 AM
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Masculinity is an act or performance. That would be performative masculinity. And yes everyone could do without being forced into that. But guys who genuinely just like to lift weights or play competitive sports/games are not going to take kindly to being told their preferences need to be eradicated just because they happen to align with a social construct. And rightly so, inverting a social construct is not the same as getting rid of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/25 04:41 PM
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I don't think empathy fatigue is about too many different types of empathy, but too much volume. E.g. Supporting and empathising one person you know with suicidal thoughts is tough, but supporting ten is even more emotionally taxing, to the point that you might not have the same capacity available for each individual as you would for the lone one. Even if men and women's issues have a lot of overlap in their themes and difficulties, thinking about how those same themes are now affecting everyone…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/25 04:28 PM
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You can still have empathy for anyone. Just doing it for everyone for prolonged periods will leave you struggling to have as much empathy for anyone as you did at the start. Tribalists typically understand this and encourage people to ration out their empathy to outsiders so the "tribe" never loses internal empathic cohesion. There's nothing inherently stopping you from having empathy for anyone outside of your "tribe", it's just that "tribes" that don't enact that self serving rationale won't h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/25 07:59 AM
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The patriarchy of Marx was the ruling aristocratic dynasties of the time, which had literal patriarchal inheritance. The modern invention that is some all encompassing global male conspiracy has nothing to do with that version but the name.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/25 07:02 PM
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The ELI5 version is : lots of foundational feminists have incredibly sexist beliefs that are incompatible with egalitarianism, which of the two is the closer ideology to leftism in its values although both have a broad scope. Also, lots of feminists have claimed eschewing the label feminist in favor of egalitarian makes you a right-wing infiltrator. So be careful about letting other people decide your leanings for you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/25 06:58 PM
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that is just not how empathy works. Nah, empathy fatigue is a real, recognised thing. I mean from what I understand empathy isn't exactly zero-sum, but it does have an opportunity cost. Having multiple things to care about does tend to make people slightly more dispassionate about each case than if it were their sole focus. And in some ways that's actually good because you can't exactly triage things if you're overwhelmed with emotional responses. So they're technically right albeit in a nakedly…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/25 06:41 PM
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The whole thing looks like a funnel towards a life-coaching/mental health business with the same name. Perhaps the internet has jaded me too much but just a quick scout around their website has me thinking it looks like a shadier grift than BetterHelp.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/25 01:29 AM
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What I really look for in a leader is "are they willing to backstab their own party members and vilify the working class to grab power?" - Starmer stans
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/25 11:48 AM
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What was the logic here? Lone men who the systems have failed and with nothing to lose are something corrupt rulers typically need to fear. But restricting their freedoms enough means they're only a threat to the other poor people they're trapped with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/25 11:43 AM
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Always-has-been.meme
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/25 08:17 AM
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Ah, see this is why I avoid using hypothetical "you"s, it's almost always open to interpretation as accusatory. I just stick to "someone".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/25 02:20 PM
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Is this satire or did you genuinely not read the post? OP basically said "stop caring about dating so much, there's more important things" and you popped up with "it seems you're wanting a date, do you know it's not a right?" like a badly programmed chatbot seeing a keyword trigger.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/25 12:34 PM
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I don't want to undermine anything but it's also very important to not misstate any studies. The linked study doesn't say 91% asked for help, the 91% are those who had ever had any kind of contact with any public service agency, including stuff like employment services, only 67% had been in contact in their final 3 months. I think misrepresenting that does more to undermine the message than using the actual stats correctly, as ~50% were found to have been in direct contact with mental health ser…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/25 07:41 PM
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Hell, I'd go even further and start educating that critique is entirely separate from hatred anyway. People here might critique feminism, that's all well and good, nobody is above critique. The ones who have suffered from SA or other abuses and had feminists actively exacerbate their suffering by blocking them from support they rightfully deserve, they might even hate feminism, that's not ideal but I can sympathise with their grievances and understand that hurt people are going to have human imp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/25 03:17 AM
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The correlation could still be real if it weren't inherently causative. Say for example if somewhere in the late twentieth century society started to specifically punish men for being masculine, which in turn pushed them to isolation and coping mechanisms. In that context you could say if they weren't masculine they wouldn't suffer, so masculinity is "to blame" but it's also not actually the real cause.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 12:11 PM
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I mean is it even really broad stroke true in the last quarter century? The only people I've seen actually act like that with kids chores are a minority of isolated rural evangelicals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/24 07:31 PM
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17395835/ Yep, had no record of the study and it took 15 literally seconds to Google "2007 reciprocal intimate partner violence" and that was the top result. The other guy was being a massively obstructive jerk about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 04:39 PM
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I'm struggling with this subreddit, and it seeming to only talk about criticizing "the left" despite this allegedly being a left wing subreddit. ... while leftism primarily criticizes the class structure The second quote is the crux of the first. Leftism is supposed to be primarily about overcoming unjust class structures. If someone knows that but their actual experience with people purporting to be leftists is primarily criticizing men for existing and other forms of class-ignorant ID politick…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 03:11 PM
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I'll never not point out that the paradox of tolerance is just bullshit. It rests on the premise that the only solution to reduce intolerance is intolerance, it completely dismisses the idea of respectfully disagreeing, firm but fair impartiality or leading by example as means of conflict resolution. Profs trying to teach it usually goes hand in hand with handing out carte blanche excuses to act like vindictive assholes to people with the "wrong" intolerances whilst totally excusing people with …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/24 11:15 PM
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Geez, no wonder nobody likes you if this midwit trolling is all you bring with you. No amount of "efficient, civil society" will make your behavior tolerable, that is some delusional cope. Maybe try managing your own personal inadequacy with some dignity?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/24 01:59 AM
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It's real funny to watch someone flip from saying "come say that to me face" to dropping vague, passive aggressive "some of you" call outs. Name names my brother, no need to spare the details if you're in the right. I haven't even seen one person tell you to leave yet. But if you're just mad 'cause no-one will lick your boots, male solidarity doesn't mean every man has to be your friend. We can still chose not to associate with guys who show themselves to be disingenuous and a liability. It's pr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/24 01:18 AM
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Yeah nah, I don't believe anyone who isn't pretending to be left wing or a male advocate would just casually drop that bunch of misandrist bigotry. The more tilted you get the more you start sounding more like a 4am drunk Anne Coulter.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/24 12:52 AM
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Edit: it's one thing to disagree with the post, but a lot of you are going out of your way to be rude and condescending, typical male behavior once your ego is threatened. Uhm, you might want to straighten that mask up a bit, it seems to have slipped good sir/madam
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/24 12:18 AM
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For all the talk of progress too many people seem completely oblivious to even the idea that their decade old talking points might have become outdated and irrelevant. They seem to endlessly double down because they somehow managed to believe in progress without ever needing to change themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 02:53 AM
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Bluntly put, we need to stop reflexively shitting on men, those need to be mostly ‘indoor thoughts’, same as they are with any other group. What an absolutely wild admission "keep your bigotry again men on the down-low, like you do with all your other bigotries" What I'm learning lately is that it seems more of the left leaning holdouts against male advocacy than I'd hoped aren't due to a misunderstanding, they're just running out of people it's socially acceptable to hate and refuse to let go o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/24 08:55 PM
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A bit of both, it seems to be mostly focused on male on male SA from both sides. Victims and perpetrators. Specifically: The plan will work with male victims at risk of committing sexual offences or causing harm, including through the Violence Reduction Unit, and extend Greater Manchester’s housing reciprocal arrangement. Awareness of the need for a dedicated male plan came in part after the case of Reynhard Sinaga, who in January 2020 was sentenced to a minimum of 30 years in prison for committ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 05:41 PM
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All their knights quit and joined the peasants and they're still asking themselves "how do we make them join the good side again?" and not once asking "are we the good side?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 09:42 AM
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Heh, I hope so. But please excuse the slip up either way, our schools have unfortunately been more focussed on teaching boys they're evil than their geography.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/24 06:24 PM
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Men are basically politically homeless Really has felt like that yeah, but I like to see the silver lining in that too. That politics has become/always been so cultish and propagandist, and years of being told to fuck off from all sides also leads to fewer people trying to pour sweet poison in your ears. Which really gives you some breathing room and an opportunity to figure out what you really believe for yourself rather than get lost and confused in the noise of people trying to manipulate wha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/24 06:12 PM
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Personally I avoid describing things as woke in any context just because at this point it obviously has multiple wildly differring meanings depending on who the listener is, meanings people are stubbornly attached to. Case in point, you'd apparently absolutely think this poor guy is a hardcore right winger for just saying it negatively, even though he explicitly said he isn't, rather than consider his meaning of woke just differs from yours. Plus I just think it's embarrassing, it makes you eith…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/24 02:53 PM
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Today's special is the bougie borscht. I recommend you don't ask about the ingredients.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/24 07:04 PM
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If both sides are advocating for men to essentially “figure it out on their own,” then why is the right's version resonating more? Is it because it places less blame on men? I think some of it is the right version comes with less stipulations, where the misandrist left might say "You're on your own men, and you need to give yourself up to help these other oppressed people first" the right might say "You're on your own men, take what you can". One of those options seems to offer more hope of esca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/24 11:58 AM
5

Just look up "fish tinder" or #fishboys on tiktok and you'll see the full gamut of responses, some people thinking it's cute and fun and others who think it's an immediate red flag or even direct evidence of cryptofascism. The takes are hot, wild and free out there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/24 07:04 PM
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Oh man, for such a chill activity the absolute vitriol is see sometimes for guys who fish is wild. I've seen someone equate fishing to a diagnostic test for brain damage before.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/24 11:08 AM
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Yeah, he was pretty explicit that that part wasn't about any of the specific issues they were told about but just that the "I told you so" style framing isn't a great one. But whilst that is true in a general sense, I don't think there aren't times where it is a valid response. Like if someone is about to fully sink into a delusion that there was no way of knowing and they couldn't have done better as a means of protecting their ego/reputation for competence. Then a huge number of people just ru…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/24 05:52 PM
2

And yet laws pertaining to those issues will be voted on in the next 4 years regardless, because the business end of government doesn't stop rolling and whilst the executive branch can influence or oppose those measures, they won't be the one proposing most legislative changes. Election campaigns and promises are practically meaningless confetti for the rallies, politicians are almost never held truly accountable for them anyway. How this election could have affected men boils down to how likely…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/24 10:46 AM
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A lot of younger men already have that pain. "We're going to lose so much" isn't a very moving appeal to people who are already used to having things taken from them on a daily basis. They have little more to lose and a great deal to gain in forcing the issue of being treated equally in society, if apparently a basic sense of decency wasn't enough for some people to respect that wish.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 09:04 PM
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And there are issues of due process and family rights that this election will impact that affect men far more than women. To say the election as a whole affects women more because of a single issue is shortsighted to the point of absurdity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 08:50 PM
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Yeah that was a big "waitwut?", we all live in the same country y'know. It's as silly sounding as the women are the the primary victims of war line.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 07:41 PM
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That's no less wrong than the "disagreed with a woman" definition. It's a common current usage, sure, but so is the disagreed one. But if we want to talk specific meanings, incel is defined simply as someone who wants but cannot find a sexual partner. It's also weird to me how simply rebranding a highschooler's pejorative "virgin" is all it takes to get so easily accepted as OK by people who might otherwise consider themselves progressive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 02:03 PM
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I think it's an offshoot of the belief that all intergender abuses are automatically motivated by sexism regardless of any other context. Whilst conversely intragender conflicts don't matter and can never be motivated by gendered societal expectations. Men are most likely to be murdered in the street, but woman are more likely to be murdered by a man than a man is to be murdered by a woman. So in her head she's more in danger of being killed by sexism than a man. In this case it also looks like …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 06:16 PM
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Yeah, the leap from "we all start as female" to "men are just defective women" is a tiny step in a lot of people's minds. So there definitely is value in correcting that myth when you hear it, it's not just nitpicking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/24 10:30 AM
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It's a weird situation where brazen bigotry is somehow more desirable than being both a bigot and a liar gaslighting children about their unfair treatment. So you could look at it as a "less-awful" type of defense I guess.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/10/24 10:47 AM
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I've seen plenty of instances within the workplace. 2/2 female managers at one workplace who would both constantly egg each other on to get more and more overtly sexist, doing things like immediately singling out all the men as suspects for a workstation left dirty because "men just can't clean properly" or unironically saying things like "I don't want to be sexist but [men are no good at finding things, etc.]" Also saw on the inside of a few hiring decisions to see them stop just a hair short o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/24 03:29 PM
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If the rich managed to rename crime to "pooring" I feel like they would just just shrug and go "nothing I can do about the name, I just think we need to accept the poors have done a lot of bad historically"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 01:27 AM
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Ignoring the debate on the breadth of the definition of patriarchy you are using if somehow all power is in the hands of patriarchs. Whatever for now. If it's an just umbrella term with no direct relation to causative factors, it seems disingenuous to choose that term instead of naming the specific factor that's the problem? To continue your analogy, it's like finding out the pope abused kids and telling some random protestant delivering donations to a food bank that "Christians molest kids". It…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 01:19 AM
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99.9999999% of the men oligarchs have killed were not their sons. 99.9999999% of fathers are not mass murdering sociopaths. Why on earth would you consider the two terms interchangeable?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 12:52 AM
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Ah yes, the far right approach to statistics "There's no discrimination, they're just more lazy/stupid/violent". Apparently if you're bigoted against men it's like having a religious exemption from having to follow the golden rule of treating others how you demand to be treated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/24 11:45 PM
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I think they're intertwined insomuch as they both share a lot the same base character assumptions about groups, like all the ones you identified. I don't think they're intertwined in a causative sense. In that I think someone can be habitually misandrist without necessarily being habitually racist and vice versa.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/24 11:01 AM
2

If I had a quarter for every time that's happened in my lifetime, I'd probably only have about a dollar but that's still pretty fucked up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 10:45 AM
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I suspect the quality declined steeply when he started talking about things outside of his area of expertise. Peterson allegedly spent over a week in an induced coma to ride out the constant seizures during his extreme benzo rehab. Part of me sometimes wonders if the effect of that essentially amounted to a TBI for him, since that's kinda around the time he started losing the plot. If so it's an absolute tragedy that he's now stuck trying to fill the shoes of the concise, intelligent man he used…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/24 07:58 AM
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I think the "gender wars" were an opportunity for the ruling elites to capitalize on and push further, not some grand scheme engineered by them from the begining. And if it didn't originate entirely from elite interference, there's still something there that needs to be fixed alongside removing the elites' power structures, not just ignored. And to me if you're still just talking about divides within the left instead of divides within the entire working class, you're not there with the kind of u…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/24 10:49 AM
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Yeah, the power of voting does not end exclusively at getting your candidate to the top of the podium. Every demonstrable ounce of public support they get still gives their positions more leverage even out of office. That said, giving political strategists more data to work with doesn't mean they will necessarily move to help you more effectively, only manipulate you better. You still have to hope they're going to bring the carrot more than the stick
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/24 04:36 PM
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I know that really this broadly applies to most modern political strategy opinion posts, not just ones about men. But there's something incredibly dismissive about the "how do we get X votes?" posts that basically conclude "throw them these specific crumbs that they poll disproportionately high on and no-one else will get too mad about". Without even approaching the idea of needing to actually philosophically engage with why they poll that way or the validity of that group's complaints.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/24 04:18 PM
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I think the cultural bias is probably the bigger obstacle to men's solidarity. It's usually guys who have beat the systemic barriers but have a small tight-knit social circle that I find most often are agreeable to the idea of male comradeship right now. But guys with a broad, shallow social support network, or anything remotely public facing in their professional life protest the loudest against it. I imagine the examples of the visciousness with which the mainstream culture turns on any percei…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/24 10:32 AM
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Just another piece of evidence on the gigantic pile that shows being able to analyse data and discern the truth are far less valuable to career a politician than an absolutely shameless dedication to blind repetition of ideological mythology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/24 02:29 PM
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It's not a negative conclusion about you, it's just a simple statement of fact. You wanted advice, challenging the preconceptions is the advice, terse though it may have been. Yeah you might want quicker or smoother results, but sometimes even the best solutions take a significant amount of time and effort. There isn't always a magic answer that will get people who are deeply entrenched in their ideological position to instantly flip to yours. At best you can hope to challenge them in a way that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/24 03:51 PM
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You'll never change the public's perception if you just avoid challenging it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/24 11:37 AM
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I guess the part where you started with "I disagree" to the person saying it's better to replace feminism with egalitarian. I read it like you tried "saying that I dont identify as a feminist" once and got a negative reaction, and were now suggesting ingratiating yourself to the people hostile to the term instead by using their preferred lingo.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/24 11:39 AM
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So we should call ourselves feminists to mold ourselves to better fit ignorant people's preconceptions? Egalitarian is objectively the more accurate label, I don't think abandoning the term on account of some people's uncritical prejudices is the right move. It's been over twenty years of feminism being actively hostile to the term egalitarian, and at no point have egalitarians as a whole been the patriarchal bugbears feminists tell each other they are. Yet the myth persists anyway. You won't br…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/24 10:44 AM
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Yeah, incels are by and large harmless. That's also possibly why some are so opposed to allowing them any independent gratification. For every incel that loses his mind and does something terrible, there are probably 10,000-100,000 others who are just easy pickings ready and willing to throw all their efforts and resources at anyone over the slightest bit of parasocial interaction. And I think some people like those odds
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/24 07:53 PM
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Yeah, understood and agreed in principle. It's not me, but I can at least understand the thought process if someone was paranoid enough that opposing religious circumcision might lead them to assume it's a dog whistle for antisemitism. I literally just can't see any potential reasons to react negatively like that to being against non-religious circumcision.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/24 02:37 PM
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I genuinely don't see what is so objectionable about opposing non-religious circumcision?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/24 09:29 AM
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skip all the goalpost relocations between here and there? I'll take that as a "no" then. Have a better day.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/24 02:53 PM
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Riiiight, said you "don't see anyone saying that" and I showed you someone saying that. Now you say that person is just crazy and then jump to some weird Alex Jones shit about police states. Can we jump to the the part where you give a concrete number of examples that will satisfy you and skip all the goalpost relocations between here and there?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/24 02:14 PM
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That’s because boys in the United States still face a very narrow set of expectations about what it means to “be a man” — and one of these expectations is that “real men” shouldn’t appear overly concerned with the daily hard work of being a conscientious student. That's right, their diagnosis is that young straight boys are all 100% masculine which apparently also means think they're too cool for school, and gay young boys won't touch masculinity with a ten foot poll, so they don't slack off. Th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/24 01:09 AM
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No, you don't reveal the base rate by changing the conditioning. You have to establish the base rate by other means, but by knowing the base rate you can then begin to quantify the conditioning rather than just qualify it. And saying you can't quantify red because red is a social construct is a pithy sophistry. It's an EM wave within a specific range of wavelengths that activates specific cone cells in the retina. You can measure it directly neurologically as well as you can by simple Q&A pollin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/24 02:51 AM
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I'm talking neutral in terms of net outcome. E.g. If you could somehow hypothetically poll a significant population of completely unsocialized adults about their favorite color and you find out ~15% choose red. Then you go poll some socialized populations: One society that conditions extremely positively for red as a favourite colour has 40% stating red as their fave, a society that has strong negative conditioning has only 2% still staying they like red, and a society that has some positive con…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/24 02:27 AM
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I see it pretty frequently. If you absolutely need me to hand you proof on a platter, I can try and find a recent video that serves as a solid example. A rich white woman started a verbal altercation on the subway, gets assaulted for talking shit to two guys who were not about being polite, then spending the next 2 stops verbally abusing and spitting on the other men in the car for not fighting for her. Literally, "Thanks, men! So much for protecting women, eh? [Spits]". Now that same exact inci…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/24 02:12 AM
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Yeah, I said you can't avoid it at the start. I just didn't want you confusing that with growing up. Just because it happens all your life doesn't make it the same. Breathing isn't growing up either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/24 02:00 AM
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Anyone should know this video does not count as evidence Aside from the fact that a lot of social media engagement is artificially inflated, lots of people don't do what they "should" do, and there's really only so much repeating yourself can do about that. But sure, why not go around one more time. Aside from the fact that two actions by two kids is obviously not sufficient a sufficient number to draw any generalized conclusions from, even if we assume those actions are by pure coincidence repr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/24 05:56 PM
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Social conditioning and growing up aren't remotely synonymous. Social conditioning is a community feedback system that incentivizes certain behaviours by socially ostracizing or raising up people depending on what they do. Growing up is realizing you are your own person and able to decide what is right and wrong for yourself instead of having to be conditioned into it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/24 12:43 PM
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As a black man it can get confusing in the black community. I constantly here black feminists say black men should protect black women, or hold bad men accountable. There is a lot of violence and hypermasculinity in Rap sub genres like Gangsta Rap and Drill music. Since certain genres of Rap music tend to promote ideas polite society would considered toxic masculinity or misogynistic. But black men who call this out are often label racist, anti black, or the C slur. Now this is the blunt version…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/24 10:26 PM
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These people weren't a different species or something. They were the same kind of people as you or me - which seems to suggest that, absent societal conditioning, men tend to be a lot more bisexual than we'd otherwise think. One sticking point with that is that your example of Ancient Greece isn't really "absent social conditioning", it in fact had very positive conditioning towards homosexuality between men. Even your own examples show some of it: A cadre of exclusively gay men were held up as …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/24 01:25 PM
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TBH your time might be better spent elsewhere, nothing about their delivery implies that "be better" would motivate them at all. They seem quite happy being what they are and making everyone else have to be better to make up for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/24 01:00 AM
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Yeah, I mean look at that he put the dress on and immediately started gorilla walking so hard the skirt's about to rip. That's not a guy trying to be feminine in solidarity, that's a guy trying to physically beat the femininity out of a dress and get backpats for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/24 11:09 PM
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To the Hassanabi thing, yeah, it's like another facet of frat-boy gay chicken, it's "feminine chicken". It's played tongue in cheek and the intent isn't to celebrate being actually feminine it's just a stunt to prove that you're so overtly masculine that you can do some superficially feminine things ostensibly for a good cause and still no-one will question that you're masculine. That's why the response is "wow, he's so secure in his masculinity" not "wow, he's way more feminine than I thought" …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/24 02:46 PM
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This sub's pretty dead so I guess I'm replying to a second of your threads OP. There's a British therapist that seems to do almost exactly what you want OP, he's a therapist who tries to combat some of the misandrist assumptions that the therapy community sometimes fall into and exploring some of the ways the standard therapy operating practices are less helpful to male clients than some alternatives. Unless you're British he won't be able to help you directly, buuuut he does do the rounds podca…
/r/MenSupportMen09/09/24 06:46 PM
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I saw a video by a detransitioned guy recently who said one of the most revealing insights on masculinity he has gained from the process is the difference between loneliness and solitude. He also would (I presume) consider himself more feminine than average personality wise, hence how he first got lead down the path to transitioning in a troubled childhood. But that learning not to automatically mistake isolation for loneliness and it's ok to claim ownership of and be comfortable in that solitud…
/r/MenSupportMen09/09/24 06:26 PM
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People tend to make more mistakes when they're operating at their limits. It might be worth a quick self-audit if you're getting enough downtime rest and looking after your health properly. Forgetfulness especially can exacerbated by having too much mental load so you start shedding things just to get by. More efficient workflows and reminder systems can certainly help but it might be worth thinking about if you have too much on your plate in general and which things you would drop first if you …
/r/MenSupportMen09/09/24 05:39 PM
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The really advanced practitioners even find the secret fifth step, embracing it: "yeah, they deserve it!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/24 03:39 AM
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Almost none of the people that tweet thinks it's addressing actually only talk about male victims in response to female victims. It's just the tweeter never paid attention to them until it intersected with their own special interests.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/24 03:24 AM
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