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…The passage of time to when you are past peak? Do you just not get the concept of “selling high?” Your criticism seems more of the fact that the wall is said to be at 23-25 and not the fact that the wall exists at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:27 PM
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Yeah, why do you think people start pairing up when they do? Women start losing eggs more rapidly at age 30, and especially rapidly by age 35. Their appearance changes and they are less attractive than younger women to most men. You can dispute Red Pillers on when the wall hits or how close to 100% of men see it, but it undeniably exists, and is something women should be informed about when we have a record number of age 25-29 women in the U.S. who are single and childless.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:25 PM
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Yes, it’s very similar but it’s slightly higher among women than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:44 PM
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People like you just say that because ironically you just pretend women’s opinions don’t matter. Women will drag men for their sexuality all the time. Just look at you and also the Leonardo DiCaprio controversy, despite no indication Leo was dishonest about his intentions with the women involved, none of the women complaining about him, and all the women being adults and no allegations of abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:14 PM
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Gen Z women cheat more than Gen Z men and yet Gen Z men still chase after women their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:11 PM
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And remember, lesbians have the highest divorce rate and gay men have the lowest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:11 PM
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No, younger women are attracted to older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:10 PM
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They do it to each other too. Lesbians have the highest divorce rate because they resent each other for settling for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:10 PM
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It’s usually irreconcilable differences. Divorces in every country are highest among lesbian married couples and lowest among gay men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:08 PM
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Wrong, lesbians have the highest divorce rate of any group. They hold each other to the highest of expectations and give up on the life built together the second one of them fall short of those sky high expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:07 PM
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According to Harvard Youth Poll, half of men in their twenties desire marriage: https://nypost.com/2025/05/10/lifestyle/harvard-youth-poll-reveals-how-many-young-americans-want-to-get-married-have-kids-in-spring-of-2025/
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:06 PM
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And yet women also do not want to be tradwives. And they also get mad if they do have a “house husband” that the guy does not do all the household chores exactly the way she would have done them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:12 PM
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Oh yeah, because we were making so much progress on homelessness under Biden: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homelessness-record-level-2024-up-18-percent-housing-costs-migrants/ A reminder that almost every major feminist organization endorsed Biden in 2020. This is low effort even by PPD feminist standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:00 PM
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Except then you continually affirmatively make claims based on the same data. You can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 03:53 PM
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Doesn’t that then call into question your entire argument considering you’re using data 23 years out of date?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 01:19 PM
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The data is not from 2002. Gay marriage wasn’t legal anywhere in the U.S. in 2002 and was only legal in one country in the entire world.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 01:10 AM
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If you think there aren’t men who would keep dating a woman without getting sex from her instantly, you’re being naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:58 PM
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See this is what I was addressing in my post and why I feel like I’m taking crazy pills when it comes to Gen Z women. What you’re describing is normal human behavior and how relationships used to work forever. You are friendly with a guy (who you admit has some common qualities you would look for in a partner). You express care about him and hopefully that is mutual and you get to know each other better. No one is suggesting you reach out to random men, they’re suggesting you reach out to male f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:37 PM
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I don’t understand how you could decide you don’t want to be with a guy and aren’t attracted to him from like four photos and a one paragraph bio. That is never how attraction has worked for me in the real world as a man. Plenty of women I initially wasn’t attracted to I became attracted to after talking to them and getting to know them as a person. That seems to suggest the exact opposite of who is shallow in choosing when dating than is the stereotype for each gender. Again, the apps suck and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:31 PM
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But that’s literally exactly why I suggest women getting off apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:29 PM
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Not every but usually some.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:28 PM
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No one is saying you needed to settle that much. But there are plenty of men who are single right now and looking who are not 300 pounds working at Dunkin. Trust me, if you interact in your IRL community instead of the apps, you’ll see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:28 PM
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That only makes sense if you are implying men’s fertility ends at 30 which also isn’t true. As for the rest of it, it’s hilarious to me you think I’m the one engaging in fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 08:46 PM
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That happens about ten years after women though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:37 AM
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No the points I made about decline of community and how people meet partners are well documented.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 01:16 AM
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Young women in some of the biggest and most culturally influential markets in America like the NYC metro area now outperform men income wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 01:19 AM
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The irony of the obsession with male and female socialization when people like you are obsessed with socializing men to never complain about the dating climate while socializing women to literally demand Henry Cavill or not give a guy the time of day is hilarious. Did you guys miss the endless onslaught of feminist messaging in the 2010s? How tf was that socializing men to “get there’s”?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 01:15 AM
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Wow mind blowing stuff here. This confirms my belief that stuff like FDS is basically a way over complicated Internet brain rot infused version of what their mothers could have told them when they were teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 01:13 AM
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I’ve noticed people have a hard time letting go of terms they embraced as young people on the Internet in the 2010s. FDS is basically just a few weird Internet culture additions to the worldview of the average center-right woman in 1980s America who wasn’t a huge fan of Republicans but would still vote Reagan over Mondale. Which is fine but weird to insist that makes you this niche brand of feminist when you’re just not a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 01:11 AM
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You know I could have thought of “Don’t date unless the guy meets ridiculous expectations” way quicker than the FDS mods.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 11:16 PM
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I believe of 18-29 year old men who don't yet have kids 56% of men want them, 15% don't and 29% are undecided. For 18-29 year old women who don't yet have kids, 45% want kids, 21% don't and 33% are undecided. Even if all 33% decide against it, 45% is plenty, especially since they won't date the 15% of men who don't want them or the 29% if they decide against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:54 PM
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Women can do all that yet their suicide rates have been at or near a record high since smartphones took off.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:49 PM
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They are a fast rising share of the population, especially on the West Coast.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:48 PM
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Go to FDS site and 4B Movement sub and women complain nonstop.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:48 PM
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Oh yeah it's nuts. My favorite was having Meghan Murphy, a TERF who has become a vocally non feminist Vance loving openly non feminist Trump supporter on a week before the 2024 election, then the episode after the election saying they need to cut off female Trump supporters while not addressing MM's stated politics at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:46 PM
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Since two and a half weeks ago? Be serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:44 PM
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Yeah and they wonder why it didn't work out for them and they had so many more shitty experiences it made them go 4B.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:43 PM
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There's hot and then there's unattainable level of hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:42 PM
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Listen to the post 2024 election podcast.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:42 PM
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Type 4B into search bar on FDS site (or listen to the mentions of 4B on the post 2024 election FDS podcast) and FDS in on 4B sub and you'll see the crossover.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:41 PM
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No one forced you to comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:40 PM
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That is not at all the Red Pill's philosophy. And I'm not even a Red Piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:40 PM
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You realize I'm not Red Pill right?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:39 PM
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Was that the Henry Cavill episode? That's when I was done taking that podcast seriously. Ironically that episode was about FDS not being compatible with separatism and a few years later the podcast is praising 4B and many of them from FDS have migrated to the 4B sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:39 PM
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"Turns out"? The FDS mods were saying that from the start. The handbook was made in response to Trump's first election and MeToo. So why didn't they go 4B from the start instead of making FDS handbook in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:37 PM
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If the literal world population of 4 billion men does not have any that could be worthy of the FDS women, then the "handbook" and "strategy" was pretty useless from jump. Especially because the FDS mods always said men were trash from the start. So why didn't they go 4B right then instead of making the FDS handbook?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:36 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:34 PM
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Except look at the 4B sub. They aren't holding out for better men, they've given up on men ever being good.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:33 PM
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So this is literally what I mean by FDS to 4B. The FDS handbook said they would result in a happy marriage by avoiding men who refused to commit and now their former followers gave up on marriage, which is one of the 4Bs (not having kids is another B).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:32 PM
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They didn't just advocate that on the podcast though. They also said the dude has to be as hot as Henry Cavill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:31 PM
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They didn't just say rich, they said men for women of any body type needed to be as hot as Henry Cavill on the podcast.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:29 PM
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They didn't just say that though. They said on the podcast you shouldn't date a man less attractive than Henry Cavill no matter your body type as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:28 PM
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You're being too generous, the mods said as much on the podcast all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:27 PM
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Do you listen to the podcast the FDS mods do? They say that all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:27 PM
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They got banned. They still have a site and mods have a podcast (where they spoke positively about 4B after the 2024 election results). But a lot of them have moved to other women's and feminist subs like the 4B movement sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:26 PM
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That and the podcast said women of any body type should expect that and not settle for a man less attractive than Henry Cavill. I wish I was making this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:24 PM
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Search 4B movement on their current site. More and more of them are going 4B. As well as members of 4B who talk about having used to been a member of the FDS sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:23 PM
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There was literally a sub called "Female Dating Strategy" that had a specific handbook that was very popular. They have a podcast and site still where they discuss it. That specific thing is what my post is referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:22 PM
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No even worse. Even the Red Pill doesn't say you should reject every women less hot than Jennifer Lawrence or Sydney Sweeney on day one. FDS podcast unironically said that about women and men less attractive than Henry Cavill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:21 PM
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Yeah this is literally the reason for my post. The FDS podcast literally says women should not be ashamed of having all the expectations they do regardless of body type and also saying men they date should be as attractive as Henry Cavill. How that was ever supposed to be a viable "strategy" beats me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:20 PM
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There are regularly people on FDS site talking about doing 4B and women on the 4B sub mentioning having been a member of FDS sub back in the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:18 PM
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Do you not know what FDS is?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:59 PM
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Why? I asked this on Reddit, not in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:59 PM
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It’s going to be interesting seeing Gen Z women who want kids dating in ten to fifteen years. I wonder how they will react to having lost all the leverage due to biological clock. It happens to every generation of women but most did not have this many options when they were dating when young.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:58 PM
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Literally the link you just dropped
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:57 PM
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East Asian Americans (and before you ask no I’m not one) have the lowest rates of violent crime yet are least sought after by women in the dating market. Same situation, women don’t self select based on avoiding that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:55 PM
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You can’t complain that you have to put time in then also complain you can’t find a good man. Something worth it takes time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:53 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:53 PM
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Tons of red pillers are self proclaimed traditionalist conservatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:52 PM
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More than it was twenty years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:51 PM
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This feels like you’re projecting a specific instance you had.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:51 PM
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I’ve yet to see a time where women creating a man’s profile and doing the swiping on other women helped at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:49 PM
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They were taught first impressions matter but not that they were the only thing. Agreed with you on the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:48 PM
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Again, we used to understand you can vet men by meeting them in person without having sex with them instantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:47 PM
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Yeah the irony is they complain about men swiping right on everyone but the few times a man is as picky as a woman on dating apps, they would also blame him for not finding a successful relationship. Men can’t win the moral argument no matter what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:46 PM
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That presumes that all the small number of women the average man can pull are quality, which is definitely not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:45 PM
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I’ve noticed suddenly since short men talked about their dating woes they never talk about fat women’s dating woes like they did back in the 2010s. And now they claim to suddenly be for “body neutrality” after they spent a decade pushing “body positivity”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:42 PM
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If you think 66% of the male dating pool are passport bros you’re too chronically online and need to touch grass.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:41 PM
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The vast majority of women age 18-29 are not single. You’re thinking of young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:35 PM
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Once again, attraction has literally never before been decided through a phone screen before in human history. Ironically while men are criticized for swiping right on everyone, any men who would be as picky on dating apps as women are and swipe right on so few women would also get blamed for not finding someone. Men get blamed no matter what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:30 PM
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Did you even read beyond the title?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:17 PM
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I truly think all of society would be better if we could all just admit that for once.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:31 AM
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It's at least a third of Gen Z men per Gallup polling. I would be very interested to see if those men are all single in a follow up poll. I'd bet many of them are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:29 AM
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Data is four years old and shows a 25 point gap as recently as 2016 and near double the amount of sexlessness in young men as young women as recently as 2018. I would argue that's pretty huge.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:25 AM
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It is documented they do exactly that on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:24 AM
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It is legitimately depressing to me the answer to that question isn't obvious to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:23 AM
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"I didn't claim women solved it" "Women don't date the same guy, that's a myth" Choose one. Also then why were women significantly happier 25 years ago at the end of the 1990's than they are now?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:12 AM
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I never said they did. But they would still rather deal with that thing they don't want or the potential of it than date the bottom 63% of the male dating pool (at least in Gen Z). And I am citing July 2022 Pew Research, not that OkCupid study (which only takes into account online dating).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:11 AM
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Non photogenic men who aren't good at making a witty two sentence bio.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:07 AM
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Something can be mainstream if a significant minority does it. For example, Trump got a minority of votes. But he's still mainstream in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:06 AM
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So get off dating apps. And completely forget the mentality they bring about.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:05 AM
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High testosterone has been linked to predilection to violence in numerous studies. But forget that you can even go racially. East Asian-American men have the lowest rate of violent crime of any race in the US yet are the least sought after by women romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:02 AM
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Can't say that when 63% of age 18-29 men are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:01 AM
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This is a strawman that has been debunked so many times. No one is saying ugly men can't be abusive. They're saying finding a significant other with any positive quality will be easier to find if you cast a wide net and hurt if you filter out the majority of suitors right away.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:00 AM
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Not at all the same trying to evaluate a profile on a phone vs. in real life. This is a huge reason why women are more miserable than they were 25 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:57 AM
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Key words: The hot girl Now it is like every Gen Z woman but the bottom third in attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:51 AM
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So then why aren't women happy since they completely solved the problem of being cheated on according to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:29 AM
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Did you even bother to read the comment I was referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:25 AM
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Nope I’m fine with you all doing that. But maybe interrogate why it is so often you all end up dating the same guy while so many men looking for monogamous relationships are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:23 AM
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So then why are you red pill if it all went so great?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:17 AM
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It wasn’t nearly this bad from like 1975-2000 and I’d argue even before the mid 2010s it was not quite this bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:12 AM
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But again this is not about women going on a bunch of dates. This is women filtering men out long before ever going on a first date. Also it’s become literally mainstream for Gen Z women to bring a friend on a date to guarantee safety. Gen Z men have been willing to bend social expectations for you, but it’s never returned the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:04 AM
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Did you even bother to read my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:02 AM
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Yeah and that’s the problem with Gen Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:02 AM
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I’m not surprised you feel you have to be red pill if you refuse to try to meet people in normal everyday life and instead only do so in the toxic environment of parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:02 AM
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Again this doesn’t work if dating app mentality extends beyond them. 50% of Americans age 18-34 have been in a “situationship” despite only 11% of those situationships starting on an app: https://business.yougov.com/content/48492-half-of-18-to-34-aged-americans-have-been-in-a-situationship
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 01:56 AM
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No that is a literal proof of the 80/20 (or not exact but similar percentages like 66/37 per Pew) thing men on here always tell you is true and women on here and other subs related to dating love to deny is true. It’s really funny how women will deny all this stuff then not notice the literal trends they talk about prove it. If 63% of Gen Z adult men are single and 34% of Gen Z women are and you all frequently find yourselves being many women dating the same guy who is stringing you along, does …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 01:51 AM
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People talk like you unironically and wonder why our generation can’t socialize like normal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 01:46 AM
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I never buy this. I lived in the middle of the ghetto for a year and even there was a public park and no one ever gave me trouble. Same with the suburban area one town over. Same with the bigger bourgie town another town over. Same with rural areas I’ve lived in. I never see people take advantage of these public areas and spaces and then people complain there’s nowhere to meet anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 01:23 AM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:45 AM
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Stop using dating apps. I can not believe there are people of either gender who still haven’t figured that out in 2025. If you are still on those, I don’t care if you are a man, woman or anything else. You have no right to complain about dating. It’s like going to a bar and complaining about not being able to find lifelong sober friendships. It’s very clearly not built for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:41 AM
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I mean yeah agreed. That’s pretty much the point of the post. At a certain point, women in your metaphor might want to look into alternatives to that email.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:39 AM
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With dating apps women often are filtering before even meeting a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:39 AM
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That’s why I put “desperate” in quotation marks. The whole point the dating apps ever could do would be to get you to the talking stage then filter from there. Thats why study after study shows people have better success when they get off the apps and meet their matches IRL quickly. You might not like it but the way men use the apps is a modernized version of how both genders used to approach dating before now. And majority of women think dating became harder post smartphones and dating apps as …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:36 AM
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What? Dude women had options before smartphones and social media/dating apps. Trust me man. Even in remote small towns they did. They just didn’t have near infinite options cause choice overload (a documented psychological concept in both genders in other situations) like now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:34 AM
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? I literally never mentioned anything about self esteem one way or the other, I mentioned physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:32 AM
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Yeah I never get that, if it were about avoiding danger you would be more likely to go for a low t or scrawny looking guy. Not that they could never be dangerous but it would reduce risk at least a bit. But instead you see the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:28 AM
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I’d argue swipe dating app mentality makes things way more dangerous for women. When you were part of a community that regularly interacted you could vet men based on whisper networks and gossip with other women in the community. Did this always work? No but it was a start. When you have few friends and meet a random guy on an app you are literally just flipping a coin the guy isn’t nuts based on your evaluation of a two sentence bio and a few photos when you know nothing else about the guy. Thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:27 AM
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I mean yeah, do we not have to generalize to an extent to make any points on this sub? Obviously this is about the majority but does not apply to every woman or man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:24 AM
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Problem is (not saying this is you) many women have taken this dating app snap judgment mentality to IRL dating even when they have gotten off apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:23 AM
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That only works if you assume you can make a snap judgment right away on who you want. Again, before the prevalence of dating apps in the 2010s that has literally never been how attraction or dating worked. You met a person in real life and got to know the whole of their personality. You didn’t make a snap judgment on attraction through a phone screen based on three photos and a two sentence bio before you had even had a conversation with the person or heard their voice. This is borne out by maj…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:18 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:01 AM
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Yeah trying to use politics to get laid is not going to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:06 AM
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You think fat working class women do not get attention? Have you been to the Midwest?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:05 AM
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And these women usually are people that just can not accept they are just not many people's top choice (especially top 20% HVM) because of their own shortcomings. It's funny you get a lot of shit as a guy complaining about dating troubles on Reddit with assumptions it must be your personality but women complaining online don't get the same scrutiny from Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 05:56 PM
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And we need to stop treating these women as children who don't know what they're getting into when they often do. They get into the hookup part of the guy's rotation and many of those men are pretty open with them the choice those women have is to keep it casual and non exclusive or they will drop them altogether. And they keep doing the situationship or FWBs or fuckbuddies or whatever in hopes the guy eventually chooses them before all the other girls. That's what those women are actually compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 05:54 PM
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You are not most men. Most Gen Z men would at least try a few dates with most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 05:45 PM
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Yeah and people are totally as accepting if a guy claims a fat woman can't get dates due to their shit personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 05:42 PM
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Older, mid and fat women get way more attention than mid, short working class men. It's not 2002 anymore, dating standards flipped between genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 05:41 PM
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Did you not notice it got mass downvoted?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 05:39 PM
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So are we really pretending the 2010s wasn't a decade straight of backlash (much of it still happens too) against men for saying they prefer skinny women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 05:37 PM
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Tell me you haven't ben around hyper liberal middle class white women without telling me you haven't been around hyper liberal middle class white women. They absolutely lie about that. It's why I kind of appreciated the Trump supporting girls I went to high school with more than the liberal Trump hating girls. Both would date conventionally attractive, conventionally masculine Trump supporters. But only the MAGA girls would acknowledge that was their type.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 05:35 PM
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Coney Barrett was one of the justices that overturned Roe and multiple governors who signed abortion bans were female. Huckabee Sanders, Blanco, Noem, Ivey, Reynolds Consistently just under 40% of women in swing states vote for abortion bans during referendums too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:11 PM
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Yep and yet you still get downvoted for pointing it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 04:45 PM
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That’s basically what I’m saying though. These 2020s feminists will have women come up to them and go “I am an anti feminist Republican social conservative. I have been my entire life. I want to go back to 1950s gender roles” and they just can not hate them the way they hate all men. They still every election expect those women to switch sides and vote their way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:51 PM
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Feminism’s biggest threat is misogynists. The more feminists ignore women who are misogynists the more they will keep losing. Every election they expect to win because of wide majorities of female voters voting with them and they are always let down when it doesn’t happen. But then they keep expecting it the next election anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:48 PM
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Not really. Polls show more women want abortion to be illegal in all cases in the U.S. than men. They also spend significantly more time and energy into anti abortion activism for anti abortion groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:47 PM
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Why are misogynistic men any more dangerous than misogynistic women? Why isn’t the biggest danger just misogynists? Feminists only caring about men’s misogyny and assuming women’s misogyny is less dangerous (ironically from the same people who talk about recentering men) is exactly what keeps leading to its losses.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:09 AM
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This would be completely irrelevant if women were united against that. 53% of the electorate in the U.S. in 2024 was women. That’s more than enough to elect any kind of government you want, including wide majorities in Congress. But that’s not what happened. And the inability of feminists to admit conservative women exist and always will exist and actually deal with that reality is why it’s had such a mixed history of success and a particularly bad last few decades in the U.S.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:09 AM
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You are equating identifying with a political movement of feminism with something you can’t control, being a man. Ironically this assumption that woman=feminist is what actually always kills feminism. They always assume they’re a few years from converting all women to feminism. Meanwhile in reality there always have been women who are traditional conservatives who support traditional gender roles and there always will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:05 AM
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No the bigger threat is the social conservatives who don’t care at all but use the feminist movement committing suicide to enact their agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:01 AM
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I feel like this is on the decline though. I hear way less women calling themselves feminists since the pandemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:00 AM
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Idk, I’ve seen a decline in this since its height in the Female Dating Strategy days. I think modern feminism’s biggest threat is same as it’s ever been. Misandry. If you tell men they’re inherently evil and you don’t want them to be a part of it, the fact that there are always going to be women who are into traditional gender roles and conservatism means feminists by being misandrist are dooming themselves to be a minority. Feminists always think and have thought for over a century they can be …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 03:54 AM
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This is a coward’s out. Take every study that says what you want as sacrosanct then just use “methodological problems” to dismiss any that say otherwise. No study is perfect, all will have methodological problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:22 PM
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That's never a standard that has ever been applied in the other direction. When stats talk about the rate of abuse heterosexual women have faced, it's assumed it was a male partner. No one ever says "But what if it was by her female partner when she was experimenting with her sexuality in college?" but people apply the same logic with the lesbian statistic with zero sense of irony. It's not 2002 anymore. Most younger lesbians at this point never date guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:27 PM
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There's a whole trope of bi women dating women for the first time then realizing the things hetero men complained about in dating they called them "incel" for were correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:23 PM
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Tell me you've never talked to a lesbian irl without telling me you've never talked toa lesbian irl. Seriously, straight women's overromanticized idea of lesbian relationships is hilarious. Just because they don't talk to you a lot about the shitty aspects of lesbian dating don't mean they don't exist. And I have story after story from gay male friends I could tell you about how horrific that dating scene is right now in major cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:22 PM
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It always has been as is pink pill for women. There was a brief decadeish long point between 2012 and 2022 where it wasn’t socially acceptable to say you believed these ideas but they’ve always been popular in one form or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 10:30 PM
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And in 1981-82 academic year they passed men in bachelor’s degrees and by the 1984 presidential election, they’ve made up 53% of the electorate, the first time they were a majority, which they have been in every major nationwide election ever since.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/24 08:15 PM
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I would put the 1980s as the point when you could not possibly argue we live in a patriarchy anymore. In 1981-82 academic year women passed men in bachelor’s degrees. In 1984 women passed men as a share of the electorate at 53% of that electorate. Now it just keeps compounding since then. Young women passing men in many of the biggest markets in the country in median income, women from 2018-22 passing men in share of the college educated workforce, adjusted gender pay gap going to close to zero,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/24 08:10 PM
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This is what I’m saying. It does not matter what you do as a men, a trend of feminism will emerge to say it is evil. Feminists used to criticize men not sharing their feelings for having “toxic masculinity” and when boyfriend share their feelings now they’re told “You are trying to make your girlfriend into a free therapist”. Used to be “You should be willing to be just friends with women,” now it’s “men need to solve their own issues in their friend groups without women’s help”.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/24 01:27 AM
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RBG literally stated she wanted the Supreme Court to have nine female justices
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/24 01:25 AM
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The problem is that the extent to which any feminist will criticize women for upholding the patriarchy begins and ends at like Amy Coney Barrett. With men, they criticize every little thing they do for “upholding the patriarchy”.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/24 01:22 AM
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Majority are bisexual leaning to attraction to women yet majority say they’re straight.
/r/ExRedPill12/02/24 06:57 PM
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As I said, it’s a weird taboo in our society.
/r/ExRedPill12/02/24 01:03 PM
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I think Vili Fualaau might disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 08:12 PM
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Ah the perfect always present excuse. Nothing you do matters except for a relationship you were in this you should never be trusted with a relationship! So we instead go to the same guys who were abusive in their last relationship and then intimate partner violence rates continue to go up every year! Isn’t the world great!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 07:51 PM
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Yeah see if a woman says she was convicted of domestic violence against a man that’s the end of the conversation before they can get another word out to defend themselves. Even if there’s a small chance there’s a reasonable explanation, not worth the risk when there are other fish in the sea. And women have even less of an excuse when there is double the single population of young men than of young women right now. Apparently women feel differently I guess. They bare the consequences of their ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 07:48 PM
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Thanks for admitting to the way men unfairly are branded weird no matter what unlike women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 07:26 PM
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The guy wasn’t skilled enough to hide his rapes from anyone in the community.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 05:28 PM
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Not a lot of women in my town are MRAs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 04:36 PM
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You have zero evidence for why women are less obsessed with femininity than men with masculinity even after an actual women pointed out you were incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:59 PM
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I can tell you that these female friends absolutely do take their female friends’s concerns seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:15 PM
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Are women incapable of making moves? Are they not adults too? Or do they not count as “weird and quiet” when they’re you know… weird and quiet?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:53 PM
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And see, this is why everyone hates blue pillers. Only a short look into your profile and “I ignored flagrantly racist comments by a hookup because she had big boobs and wore a slave Leia costume” Like lol, you can’t make this shit up at a certain point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:49 PM
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You didn’t say it, you just heavily implied it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:37 PM
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So if they abuse equally why aren’t they given equal opportunities in the dating market?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:37 PM
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I mean intimate partner violence is on the rise in the 2020s. That’s just an undeniable fact. You can look at so many statistics to back this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:36 PM
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Dude I know women who started dating men who were well known in the community to have raped other women. And this is multiple women who weren’t particularly toxic or dumb before that. I don’t know what could be more obvious as a red flag than past rapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:31 PM
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Then can you be more specific about what it means?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:29 PM
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Good luck given most Reddit dating advice is telling men going out to the bar/pub is the best way to be successful dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 04:47 AM
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I have no interest in replicating my parent’s’ relationship. If people just want to keep repeating what is because it already is and make no progress that’s their choice I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:56 AM
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Yes it’s called capitalism and smartphones
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:39 AM
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Because Reddit can never accept a conclusion other than “men bad women good”.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:37 AM
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Yeah as I was kind of implying, I do that. That doesn’t immediately translate to a relationship no matter how much Reddit BluePillers try to push that narrative. A woman can have a decent enough conversation with a man in a bar that doesn’t lead her to be scared of or hating him and also not be interested in a romantic situation with that man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:26 AM
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If most abusers aren’t obvious, maybe women should think about changing the things they look out for as red flags in abusers, which are failing and as you say have failed to root out abusers before the relationship starts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:24 AM
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“Normie sex lives” in the 2020’s mean an increased rate of intimate partner violence. That’s not something I want to participate in. And yes, I am making that choice. I also have a right to complain about how annoying it is online. Of all the worst things to do, online complaining is pretty low on the list.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:21 AM
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https://ncadv.org/blog/posts/domestic-violence-and-the-lgbtq-community 26% of gay men have experienced rape, physical violence or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime. For heterosexual men that number is 29% For heterosexual women that number is 35% For lesbian women that number is 44%
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:18 AM
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I don’t know how to say it again when I’ve said it a thousand times. The point is not weird, quiet guys are inherently not abusers but they aren’t given a chance to the point a preference is made for a guy who actively is known to be an abuser. A guy who is literally the worst case scenario of what the weird, quiet guy could be already. Online gender discourse has used this “you think a weird quiet guy is inherently nice” strawman so much to the point it’s starting to hurt real life women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:01 AM
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See this is what I’m saying. You make a ton of assumptions about me based on nothing. Yet abusers get their actual abuse excused based on the idea they had a girl before so they must have done something right, leading more women to pursue them. It becomes this self fulfilling prophecy that’s super hard to break out of that ends with almost everyone miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:57 AM
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It’s just not a useful analogy for what I’m saying though, unless you have an example of a special type of gun that instead of shooting you, warns you about the dangers of Russian Roulette.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:55 AM
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Ok then keep trusting the same people who have lead to an increase in intimate partner violence in recent years: https://theconversation.com/intimate-partner-violence-has-increased-during-pandemic-emerging-evidence-suggests-148326 https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-crime-and-justice-doctor/202103/why-covid-19-has-led-rise-in-intimate-partner-violence https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/it-s-on-the-rise-guelph-declares-intimate-partner-violence-an-epidemic-1.6664721
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:53 AM
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Comparing dating to Russian Roulette just shows how out of touch this sub is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:48 AM
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Uh… yeah? Did you think this was a pro abuser argument? There are a lot of guys I’d like to punch some sense into for being abusers. But I’m not willing to be put in jail for assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:31 AM
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Do you have a source? Also that’s kinda the problem we’re in as a society right now. Men try to tell women they make a bad choice of a man. Women ignore them. They have a (predictably) bad experience. And they respond by swearing off men completely and deciding all men are as bad as the abuser.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:28 AM
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See you’re just proving OP’s point. You’re just making assumptions about OP and people like him. The whole point is people are so tied to their preconceived notions of what non normies are like that they’d actively go date a guy who they already know is as bad as the worst case scenario they imagine the non normie guy being.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:27 AM
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But this isn’t what I’m referring to. This is “everyone knows they were abusive to the last person they had a relationship with and that person got out”. And they still are able to get a relationship with the next woman in the same community who has heard about all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:25 AM
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Ok dude, we got a C- in the classes and got the pilot’s license by skin of our teeth. The metaphor still stands. It’s absolutely something to comment on that dating is the one sphere of life where consistent failure for men to make their partners happy (and even abuse) gets rewarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:20 AM
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I think if I had to guess it’s more the desire to assert individuality, and be an “independent woman”. When everyone tells them these are traits to avoid and this guy sucks, it makes them feel unintelligent for being attracted to him so they dig their heels in more and are more likely to date him. It’s like a dating version of the “backfire effect” with political opinions where studies show people are more likely to believe their original political opinion even more directly after they just hear…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:16 AM
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Yeah there are a ton of abusive men. Not the majority but a lot. Because it’s obvious to everyone (apparently except the woman) that the guys is an abusive asshole before the relationship starts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:11 AM
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Good thing extroverts don’t abuse all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:08 AM
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Because they pick horribly. Like to an honestly comical extent if it weren’t so sad. Society shows a ton of compassion to women in abusive relationships and has so much good information for those women. Those women respond by ignoring them and getting in more abusive relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:06 AM
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Guys who do hit, verbally degrade and gaslight (outside of liberal Reddit bubbles) are given infinite chances and have excuses made for them nonstop. If you’re not that the bar women have for you is incredibly high.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:05 AM
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Because they keep getting rewarded with more relationships with women they are attracted to so they have no incentive to change their behavior. They’ll just tell themselves “If she really hated the way I treated her so much why does she keep coming back to me?”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:03 AM
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I know a ton of women in abusive relationships just IRL through friend groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:02 AM
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Fair enough but we aren’t really given a chance to fuck up or not. Fuck up guys who show everyone who they are (awful people and often miserable people to be around too) get infinite chances. It’s like if there’s a pilot in training who aced all their classes. Obviously that wouldn’t compare to the stress of flying a real life plane full of people. They might end up being shit at that job in a real life situation. But it would be nuts to not even consider that person compared to a guy who shows …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:01 AM
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Yeah but I think what OP means is women will choose a normie who is an obvious abuser, who is hated as an asshole by all their peers before they will consider a non normie.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:58 AM
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Given the number of women I know with female friends in abusive relationships, a lot aren’t totally isolated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:57 AM
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True but we all have examples of a relationship where the guy was an obvious dirtbag and everyone and their mother knew it and it later comes out that there is abuse in the relationship. Maybe it’s just me but if someone was kind to me but what I hear from every other person is what a manipulator and dirtbag they are, I’d think twice about getting in that relationship. And I notice men take a lot more blame if they get into a relationship with a toxic woman for not recognizing ahead of time and …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:56 AM
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It’s the lack of examples of what a healthy relationship looks like that trips me up. Literally almost all of the other reasons are understandable. But there are so many PSAs, media representation and just examples of relationships you can see among your peers that show some level of healthiness that it’s hard to understand how someone can be that clueless about what an abusive vs normal relationship looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:54 AM
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I think “actively considering it” is doing a lot of work here. It seems this guy takes any woman who makes a joke about making an OF as being serious about considering it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:47 AM
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It’s worse than that. The actress who played that woman was 28 and the actor was 17. So it wasn’t just portraying an adult with a minor, it actually was. These left leaning SJW inclined places that were giving it positive reviews would defend it based on there being no sex scene. When I’d point out that the lack of a sex scene was literally because the guy was a minor and it would’ve been illegal I would get attacked or ignored.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/23 11:37 AM
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As a teacher, the teacher subreddit is just batshit child hating in general. I’d stay off if you value your sanity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/23 11:28 AM
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I think you are severely wrong about what the late 90s and aughts were like.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/23 05:04 PM
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You might be biased by what part of the country you’re from. In some parts of rural America, it’s still way easier to find someone as a straight man than as a lesbian woman. And I say that as a straight man who had a hard time finding a girl who liked me growing up in rural America.
/r/ExRedPill17/06/23 03:47 PM
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It’s rough. When I was in high school and had a good group of friends I never could imagine falling into this stuff. Less than five years later, feeling isolated, you start to understand why it attracts so many.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 05:06 PM
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Which is kind of scary though and shows why these ideologies become violent towards women. Because if these problems get ignored, then the solution is to make it the other groups problem. The same way class relations weren't addressed much at all in France until the rich started being guillotined. I would really hope it hasn't come to that with gender relations but in some ways it feels like it's already started.
/r/ExRedPill29/05/23 07:14 PM
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The irony here is hilarious. You have already made up your mind that I have already made up my mind.
/r/ExRedPill28/04/23 01:30 PM
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Great argument.
/r/ExRedPill28/04/23 01:11 PM
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You’ve explained nothing. You keep simultaneously saying 7% isn’t that large, then say it can’t be explained by bisexuality because that’s pretty small, even though you just said 7% is small. It seems like you are determined to find any way the OP is just making things up instead of engaging in good faith.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 05:49 PM
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Let me know when all these older women are willing to date 18-24s. In my experience, those women treat younger men like children, look into relationships with someone like ten years older and then if they succeed act shocked when that person isn’t this ultra mature man who solves all their problems.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 05:45 PM
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Problem is most liberals have convinced people it’s irresponsible and you should spend that time like canvassing for Biden or something.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 05:39 PM
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“You’re taking me out of context” Proceeds to continue the same narrative you claimed I was making up
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 05:38 PM
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You’re just being intentionally obtuse. No shit people aren’t saying like there aren’t 70 year old men in long term marriages.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 05:36 PM
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Can you providen any links to this data?
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 05:35 PM
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Do you have a link to that? Given Reddit demos OP probably is 18-24 and in spaces with other 18-24 year olds.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 05:09 PM
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I’m just saying, this is a narrative that gets repeated every time inceldom is brought up.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 05:08 PM
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There are easily 7% more bisexual women than men in 18-24. Don’t see how this disproves what I brought up.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 05:07 PM
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Yeah there’s not much of a left wing rebel culture now it feels.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 05:05 PM
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As a person working at a diverse school, a lot of black and Hispanic boys are into Tate as well. I’ve also heard with his conversion to Islam a lot of Muslim boys in the UK are into Tate too.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 03:24 PM
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Often suburban white men or just in general men of all races with conservative parents. It feels like the alienation that once led to a kind of rock and roll type rebellion now leads to the alt right.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 03:23 PM
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Hate to break it to you, but there is actually more sex happening with Republicans than with Democrats in blue states.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 03:15 PM
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Love how you’re getting downvoted for this. This is like how Reddit gets mad at you for saying as a nerdy guy you have trouble finding women because “there are female nerds” as if almost every nerd space isn’t going to be at least 95% male.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 03:14 PM
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Can we please end this Reddit narrative that all the guys who can’t find anyone are completely socially inept dudes who never shower and are all terrible people? Spend a minute in the real world and it becomes obvious this isn’t the case.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 03:12 PM
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Ok so that’s three straight male friends. By comparison how many straight female friends do you have? Obviously I’m speaking in generalities. There are always exceptions. As a straight man, I have a couple straight female close friends too but not many.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 02:56 PM
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Maybe I should clarify, I was referring to straight men. Straight women tend to be fine with making friendships with gay men.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 02:53 PM
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Yeah and this is a big one because older women are just generally not willing to even consider dating younger men.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 01:22 PM
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There are actually way more women attracted to women than men attracted to men per Gallup.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 01:20 PM
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Thing is, women see friendships with men as hollow too though. So there are complaints that men “fuck zone” women who they otherwise could be friends with, but men can’t find that emotional intimacy with female friends they don’t want a relationship with.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 01:20 PM
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Thing is, there are still a shit ton of men cruel to women in relationships. Recently I think a survey showed IPV and sexual violence perpetrated against high school girls has gone up steadily in the last few years. I thought Metoo would lead to healthier relationships but it doesn’t seem like it. Instead it feels like women are either just not having relationships at all because they’re so scared one might be abusive or are so resigned to the idea all men are predators that they feel like it’s …
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 01:16 PM
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I don’t know what world you’re living in where men aren’t expected to pursue. Even super feminist women I know expect that. Even on an app like Bumble explicitly about women making the first move, most women would let a March expire if you don’t express something showing a special interest in them first like a 24 hour extend.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 01:11 PM
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One possible reason is that per Gallup while there are similar numbers of gay men and lesbians, there are triple the number of bisexual women as bisexual men. Some of those women could be in relationships with other women.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 12:51 PM
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I wish I was joking.
/r/ExRedPill18/03/23 06:20 PM
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Certainly in red states. Florida Republicans just admitted the bill they push would prohibit girls from discussing their periods.
/r/ExRedPill18/03/23 05:13 PM
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That’s a huge problem with social justice spaces. There are good people in them who want to make a difference but it can also be a magnet for narcissists. My red flag is people who only advocate for their group. If you’re a self proclaimed SJW as a straight white woman who only goes to a feminist rally but never goes to say a BLM rally or LGBT rally that’s suspect to me.
/r/ExRedPill12/03/23 10:05 PM
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Ultimately I feel I'm generalizing by race but ultimately it is the two things with either race dating black men. Either they fetishize you then don't want you when you meet the stereotype or have no interest in the fetish and then assume just by knowing you're black that you can't possibly be what they really want. Dating is kinda the place people are most willing to engage in stereotyping in a way they would be less comfortable with if they were say a hiring manager vetting for an employee. Th…
/r/ExRedPill12/03/23 08:03 PM
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This is a problem I've noticed with feminists exemplified by r/AskFeminists. There's a common mantra that men need to express their feelings and be open, but sometimes those feelings are going to be negative towards women. That whole boomer "my wife is always right when we have arguments" is part of patriarchy but it is one feminist women don't usually want to give up. Someone on a thread on the above sub was calling out recently the fact that any person who asks for feminists help for men's iss…
/r/ExRedPill12/03/23 07:58 PM
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Yeah OP said they are black though. As another black guy, those feminists, whether they admit it to themselves or not, almost never can see a black guy as anything but too hyper masculine regardless of their actual qualities. It's pretty rough for less macho masculine black guys. Black women are all looking for Lebron, liberal white women are all looking for Kurt Cobain. It's something I think Donald Glover among others has touched on. He's the type who would not be dating successfully if he was…
/r/ExRedPill12/03/23 07:52 PM
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As another black man, thank you for analyzing the racial element of it. It rarely comes up. A lot of liberal white women whether they admit it to themselves or anyone else don't see themselves with a black man ultimately. And for black women, they tend to want a black man who is very macho and hypermasculine vs. chill. That said, I don't think the red pill really helps with this. It's just going to leave you in an ultimately unhappy relationship. Yeah maybe the person who looks for something rea…
/r/ExRedPill12/03/23 07:49 PM
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For your own sake please get off social media. It’s incredibly toxic and will just destroy you as a person.
/r/ExRedPill08/03/23 08:31 PM
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First of all not all men are attracted to teenagers because not all men are attracted to anything. But there’s also nothing inherently wrong with being attracted to a 19 year old and there are women your age attracted to 19 year old men too, even if they don’t feel as comfortable saying it outright as the other way around. Hell, there are even predators like Mary Kay Letourneau but men don’t let that make us not trust all women same as you shouldn’t let some men make you distrust all men.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/23 04:30 PM
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You probably got catcalled because some men got off on the taboo of it moreso than actual attraction. Plus they want to be controlling and knew you didn’t have the experience to know how to handle it compared to now. That’s not the majority of men regardless of what cesspools like FDS claim.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/23 04:27 PM
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Men can be attracted to multiple ages. It doesn’t have to be an either/or thing. Obviously aging matters with both genders. You’re probably not attracted to 100 year old men for the most part. But that doesn’t mean you can’t find men that will be happy with you and only you for decades to come. Your boyfriend’s problem was being a cheater. That’s not “female cope” because plenty of men cheat on 18 year olds with other 18 year olds or cheat on their SOs with someone a bit older. Anecdotally I am …
/r/ExRedPill06/03/23 04:23 PM
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Nope. Women are just more attracted to other women than they are attracted to men. There’s so much evidence to suggest this yet it doesn’t get acknowledged. It’s the weirdest taboo open secret in modern Western society.
/r/ExRedPill15/02/23 04:56 PM
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That’s basically r/purplepilldebate in a nutshell.
/r/ExRedPill14/02/23 11:36 AM
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Because there’s been too much of a movement on the left that privileged groups (I.e. men) can never be on the short end of the stick in any part of society. It’s way too dogmatic but it’s really taken hold. Women’s dating issues are taken seriously as societal problems but with men or other privileged groups it’s redirected to be about individual self improvement even as we have the stats to show it affected a large group over a really short amount of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 01:27 AM
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Because most of us here are disconnected from the normal IRL world and it makes many cynical. It’s an extension of Reddit culture in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 08:36 PM
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No, because Bumble fucked up their whole premise with the “24 hour extend”. Now women will not respond unless you have extended their match multiple days.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 08:32 PM
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“I’m early 40s” Yeah we can tell from your terrible advice to young men. Do you not get the fact you are dating young women and that older women won’t go for younger guys is the whole issue for younger men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 03:52 AM
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In particular a lot of the FDS radfem types refuse to get they are the equivalent of the incels on here, despite literally everyone saying shorthand that they’re basically female equivalent of TRP. But even as they come on here and say how TRP guys can’t find someone because of how shitty they are to be around, they never seem to get it’s the same deal with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 03:44 AM
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This is why unlike a lot of guys here, I’m very pro open relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 04:58 AM
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Most people aren’t going to respond positively to being attacked. I don’t come to this sub for comfort but for debate. But also I think the issues are way more complex that led to this point than “women suck lol”.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 12:43 AM
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Men die of COVID at disproportionate rates. I would’ve been with you three years ago but not now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 12:40 AM
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I’ve been in a six week summer program with two total straight men and five times that number of straight women and still no luck for either of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 12:38 AM
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Yeah “the west coast” as a unit is not the same all over. Some places like San Francisco are way worse than others. I know women still living at home too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 12:34 AM
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Look up Lizzo’s boyfriend. And yeah I know men who date less attractive women. But I’m an internet stranger, I can’t prove that I’m not lying about that. But the Lizzie one is something you can easily Google and verify.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 12:32 AM
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I think the thing is “I feel rather lonely” alone doesn’t express the rapid increase across society of men (and some women) who increasingly can’t find someone. I agree it can be overly whiny but in general it is frustration with how tough the dating climate is and how much worse it got in such a short time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 12:29 AM
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You’re the one who is completely anti apps/total strangers and pursuing friends. That’s pretty unusual to be against both. I guess it’s a bit less shallow than a rando but it’s still a pretty small connection to pursue vs. actually having gotten to know that person beforehand. Anyway, I get out a moderate amount but personally most of my friends of a friend that are actually close by are Muslims who won’t date a non Muslim so this advice doesn’t really help me. Otherwise most of my interaction a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 12:09 AM
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No it’s not. You could have just said catcalling if that’s what you meant. And then you would’ve gotten way less pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 04:05 PM
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You should’ve specified on your post. I didn’t see the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 03:09 PM
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They should’ve put that in their original post. Obviously cat calling is different and the reason those people are angry is they want to feel power over you and we’re never interested in a discussion in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 03:07 PM
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Once again, there is no indication they were “intruded” upon or there was anything beyond saying hello. You are just making assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 05:08 AM
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This is not true. Some of us men literally can’t find anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 03:45 AM
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I still don’t really get what a specific example of this “friend of a friend” thing would be. If you all hang out together a lot, they would consider you a friend too. If you don’t see each other much, how would that not also be shallow?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 02:57 AM
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“If you don’t know the person and already want to pursue you are desperate af and have zero standards” “Another example could be somebody you frequently see on a regular basis but just haven’t gotten to know yet” You can only choose one of these statements. They contradict each other. So which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 02:50 AM
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You are inserting things not in the original post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 02:46 AM
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If you have gotten to know someone for a while through a friend, most people would consider that to be another friend/fellow member of the friend group. Mensa by definition is open only to an incredibly small minority of people and has double the number of men as women so that might be one of the least helpful reccs for dating there is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 12:24 AM
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I mean it's a rude thing to do. I would expect a woman to be annoyed too if I just completely ignored when they said something to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 12:19 AM
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Do you have any specific examples of spaces other than classes where you would initiate personally?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 07:29 PM
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The OP should’ve specified if they only meant in certain situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 07:04 PM
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But do you not see the difference between a social group and a class? A social group is for purposes of socialization and thus you see each other more as friends if you got to know them that way. Most women assume if you got to know them through a social group and have taken the time to get to know them that you want friendship, not anything romantic and see you as a guy deceiving them into thinking you were their friend to get into their pants, as even you just said you don’t suggest a friend. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 06:50 PM
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I’m not in school. A class is literally the only example you’ve given.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 06:32 PM
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How does that change what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:11 PM
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Oh I absolutely agree. That’s why I’m not a red piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:04 PM
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The people who like the real you usually still don’t see you as a romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:02 PM
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Shit out of luck
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:01 PM
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So you shouldn’t pursue any women except those you are already friends with? A lot of women get offended by a male friend then pursuing them romantically and see that as them only seeing them as an object. I mean are you against Tinder in general? How would that entire app not rely on objectifying by your standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:58 PM
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I would say not to judge swiping on everyone on an app the same way. It’s a way different thought process. You can’t know who is friends with who through an app.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:57 PM
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Exactly why I’m not redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:48 PM
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Probably because being a mother is a lot of work. I’d be interested to see the comparison with childless married women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:43 PM
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Was it through an app?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:41 PM
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That’s a massive exaggeration at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:39 PM
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Feminism is definitely part of it. The affect the social justice focus of the last few years is having on day to day society I honestly feel is underplayed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:37 PM
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Yeah I think people really underestimate how social changes including this are going to affect society, especially as the generation of “incels” gets older.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:36 PM
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All I can say is women are literally getting mad on here for men having too low standards and overwhelming them with too many possible choices so I don’t think it’s men having standards too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:34 PM
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The kind of men who post on PPD have way less social cache than you all think. We aren’t really good friends with those kinds of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:32 PM
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They do not give a fuck about our opinions. They have more social cache than us. Mostly because they get women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:28 PM
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So are we assuming we are still attracted to the same gender? Because if I was lesbian, yes, I think I would. I have personally heard complaints from lesbians that in a small community their options are even more limited because women are socialized not to make the first move so no one does. Having not had those years of socialization, I’d have no problem making the first move, bettering my chances. It also helps if we assume I would have same general body type or say body type of my opposite ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:22 PM
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I never said always, in fact I thought I made it pretty clear it’s not always. But straight men see what straight women don’t with hot people. Men are willing to overlook enough in hot women that hot women don’t tend to feel the need to act nice if they’re not. And we see the “locker room talk” from hot men that women don’t when they’re not acting nice to try to get in women’s pants. From that, I really would say it is way more unusual to see a nice hot person than a nice ugly person. It’s one o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:14 PM
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Did your ex exhibit the behavior you now avoid men for exhibiting?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:13 PM
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Who said anything about yelling? I just had a great conversation with a woman walking her dog. But according to some around here, I never should have said anything because that’s apparently an insane place to ever approach someone. Just like apps, clubs, bars, etc. Makes you wonder where is appropriate for this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:12 PM
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This type of insecurity really seems to hinder women in many facets not just this situation. Men can’t afford this kind of insecurity or we will either never find someone or be seen as too jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:56 PM
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Isn’t filtering out that 20% a good thing though?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:44 PM
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Men put effort even into women they’re not super into because they see something that could be promising.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:43 PM
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I wouldn’t say an appraisal of the dating landscape shows it’s highly attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:42 PM
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Doesn’t have to be ugly. There’s a spectrum between hot and super ugly. Unless like 80% or more of the guys hitting on you are super ugly. Obviously there are shitty ugly dudes out there but most would just be happy for anything. It’s obviously not a 100% thing but I really push back on this idea attractiveness or lack thereof has no bearing on how nice you are which is pushed in this sub. And I don’t even just say this in a self serving way as a man. I don’t think it’s a coincidence non convent…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:39 PM
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You seem to care a ton about what other people’s image of a potential relationship is instead of what person you would actually be happy with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:37 PM
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Agreed. What do you want non “easy” men to do about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:37 PM
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But there’s no follow up from women. It’s not like they pursue men who don’t pursue them because they get annoyed or creeped out by men pursuing them. Even OP who hates these men hitting on her still perpetuates the cycle by still going out with some of them which do the thing she hates. It’s a relationship built from a start of something she hates yet is still preferable to a woman than making the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:36 PM
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So are men. The thing is, altering the way you filter out men is the most actionable thing either side could do. I can’t use telepathy to know which women I pursue are friends with each other. It kinda makes sense if you had similar interests enough to both be friends with each other, a guy may be attracted to both of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:34 PM
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To you all we are damned if we do or if we don’t. If we are restrained, it’s not understanding the social norm men must make the first move. If we make the first move we must use telepathy to make sure we don’t hit on two girls who are friends with each other since apparently being interested in a girl you liked enough to be friends with is such a turn off it’s an instant no no on the man for women apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:32 PM
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Men who aren’t horny and have some control are also seen as a turn off by women for not pursuing because so many women on here are adamantly against women making the first move. Women seem to think all men are so horny because they see men who aren’t as like asexual/socially inept.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:30 PM
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Because it’s way easier for women to do something on an individual level. Just consider guys you would normally not try dating a bit more. I can’t speak for all men here, but if I start dating you then fuck up, I can deal with that. It’s not even getting a chance to try or fail as so many men women do date fail over and over which is frustrating. The advice I’m given on how to improve things is that I need to talk asshole men who I’m not friends with because you know they’re assholes out of bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:28 PM
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We’re looking for advice but people don’t usually engage in good faith and it takes a while to know if someone is or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:25 PM
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This is the overarching problem though. Hot guys have less of an incentive to be better people because they already instantly make it to the “final round” of consideration. So women eventually fall for either the least terrible hot guy or the one who is the best actor then end up upset, end the relationship and have it validate their belief men all suck which makes the next round of dating even more toxic with this cynical mentality and the cycle renews even stronger.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:24 PM
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No one is forcing you to check with your friends. I would also find it weird to compete with friends as a man so I don’t ask them who they matched with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:22 PM
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People on this sub: “Incels, don’t just sit around being miserable, actually get out there and try” Also people on this sub: “Lol this guy is trying! How desperate!” And guys aren’t always swiping on everyone because we’d get with anyone but because we want to get to know your personality beyond the tiny profile by messaging to know if we want to continue pursuing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:21 PM
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I would actually agree it’s desperate but you know what they say about desperate times calling for desperate measures. If women have more guys more of a chance, or even better, went out of their way to pursue the guy they actually want, they wouldn’t face this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:18 PM
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Plenty of women do the same with hot men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:15 PM
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How do you address this? How do you talk about it in any kind of productive way?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:15 PM
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Why do people think all men have some kind of “bro meetings” where we all instruct each other? Most of us on here don’t have a ton of male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:14 PM
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So how are we supposed to select a woman we don’t even know yet as the designated person to pursue? And you really think pursuing fewer women would lead to more success for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:13 PM
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People on this sub: Get off dating apps, talk to someone in person People on this sub: Also upvote this post. Seriously, how hard is it to say “I’m busy I can’t talk right now?”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:08 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 10:30 PM
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If rejection kept men from asking women out even more people would be single right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 10:29 PM
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Why is it men’s job to spot the signals? Why can’t women just say what they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 10:28 PM
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Why wouldn’t you ask a man out?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 10:27 PM
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You are literally the one who said kindness and empathy would leave in hard times. If this “bad boy” is nice and that’s what you like about him, that fits with everything I said. And it means since you say you’ve been through hard times with him that you were FOS for saying kindness would leave during hard times.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 10:02 PM
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No I’m focusing less on empathy since I would inevitably lose it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 09:39 PM
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Some men are violent, some aren’t. Whether or not they get laid isn’t a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 06:07 PM
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Yeah there are totally no violent misogynists who get laid. That’s why domestic violence isn’t a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 06:05 PM
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Like you will be when you get old and the only thing left is your shitty personality and your SO goes for a younger woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:15 PM
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Oh man, is it funny to me you don't get you're a shitty person. You spend your time alternating between bragging about how hot you find criminal bad boys and how much you enjoy being with them, then bitch about how hard it is not feeling safe on dates. You provoke fights because you get so drunk with your current SO that you like so much, then you wonder why your ex wasn't as nice as he was at the start of the relationship. It's women like you that give other women here a bad name. Asking you to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:44 PM
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Man I have some bad news to share with you about what has happened in the USA recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:30 PM
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Has life gotten hard yet with your husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:26 PM
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Then maybe stop continually complaining about men all over PPD if you choose these qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:25 PM
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Never said unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:12 PM
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And if you find assholes attractive, don't complain about it. My problem is those that consistently date assholes and see one gender as the common denominator and not themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 02:32 PM
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Have you ever considered if you valued kindness and empathy in potential romantic partners, you might find men who will have discussions with you about things you want to talk about and it is the fact that you actively dismiss empathy as a prime factor in pursuing a potential partner that is the reason a man you’re in a relationship with just goes on about his interests like NASCAR?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 02:02 PM
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Ok but then don’t complain about dating assholes if you artificially limit your dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 01:57 PM
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Look at all the people on this sub who say if you’re a virgin by 25 it’s a red flag. It definitely goes past that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 11:23 AM
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How have your relationships gone with this mentality?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 11:22 AM
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No but you are more likely to find a good guy if you expand your potential dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 11:21 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 11:19 AM
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Never done anything like that. Only time I've asked a girl out is after a lot of talking and I've never asked them to my place. Sometimes I buy into these tin foil hat theories that the apps purposely only give you bad matches to keep you single and swiping.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:24 AM
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If you refuse to believe anyone can want you, you're self sabotaging and preventing your own success.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:14 AM
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Eh, it would probably be pretty obvious you don't know what you're doing when you finally do the deed. I really don't get how trying to hide it would be this great advice people on here keep claiming it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:13 AM
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I guess I more mean charisma doesn’t matter as much in comparison to everything else. You get to know a person on a deeper level and there can be no facade. And even if you still try to be the person you were, it’s harder to find time for things like adventures and the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 02:35 AM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 02:32 AM
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Most politicians are rich. Ideologue politicians now basically become celebrities on some level. They still haven’t all had the success Trump has.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 02:32 AM
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Are you a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 01:04 AM
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Yeah that makes sense, the amount of women sexless who still want someone has also gone up the last few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 01:02 AM
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The reason it will get worse you can see on this sub. Because now because of violent assholes, the very idea of an "incel", a guy who hasn't been able to find someone when young is seen as a possible precursor to violence or misogyny. So it will get even harder for guys who enter their 20's as virgins to ever find someone from then on.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 01:00 AM
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So the best thing to do is lie or mislead? Starting with secrets sure sounds like the start of a healthy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:54 AM
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Still disagree. I can find someone cute and not feel a spark.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:41 AM
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I’m telling you you’re vastly overestimating how much average people care about politics. I’d say at most it’s about half and half who care about that vs don’t in a romantic partner. I guess we might have to agree to disagree though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:40 AM
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I’m talking about liberal women dating MAGA men. As I said, while not a majority the around 40% of young men in these purplish areas voting Trump is significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:19 AM
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I never said that in my post. It’s just that the pool of guys who are both charismatic and nice is small and so those guys are in high demand and most women wouldn’t be able to get them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 11:27 PM
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I would think of spark as an excitement that you feel with this person that no one else brings. Compatible I think of as someone who doesn't have your absolute no nos for a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 11:17 PM
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Clarification: My point was that women will overlook the flaws in charismatic men (ex. relative lack of kindness) that they'll notice more as the charisma fades. Some people seem to think I mean there will be kindness at the start which will fade away which isn't what I meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 11:15 PM
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People complain about their dating luck frequently. to the point the FDS people on this sub legitimately think there are few to no men who want anything more than a sex slave for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 11:12 PM
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Are you a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 11:11 PM
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For you personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 11:10 PM
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I never said a relationship would change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 11:09 PM
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Of the four most populous counties in the US, two of them had 43% or more vote Trump. One of those two went more for Trump than the nation as a whole. Men went six points more for Trump than the electorate as a whole, so in one of those counties about half of men are likely Trump supportive if they are political and in the other the majority of men who are political likely are. And that doesn't include those who went for other right wing parties like the Libertarian Party which have been on a ni…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 11:03 PM
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Ok but people can't complain about their dating luck if they don't give a chance. If I go to one boring NWSL (National Women's Soccer League) game, then decide that the NWSL is boring, I can't complain then that I can't find any fun things to do with my time when people have told me to give the NWSL more of a chance and I ignored it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 10:58 PM
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You have it reversed. People being charismatic better allows them to enter a relationship, they don't become charismatic from entering the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 10:56 PM
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I guess I should have worded that better. All I’ll say is if you go for guys who put all the positives on the table to start, don’t be surprised when over time those things run out and leave you feeling unsatisfied. Don’t give up after the first date if the only problem is being boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 10:13 PM
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“Women are left with men without that who aren’t particularly nice” Second paragraph
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 10:13 PM
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Look at the average comments by FDS types on the question of what men want in women. It’s all “They want a mommy they can have sex with” or “They want a prostitute/maid/therapist/cook all wrapped in one”.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 10:12 PM
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You really don’t see any connection between these things at all? Obviously it’s not an absolute but I think it’s pretty clearly an important confounding factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 10:11 PM
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It’s definitely a minority of women that agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 10:09 PM
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I only judge when women specifically come here and complain about how all women are shallow/shitty because of who they personally chose to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 10:09 PM
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I think you are heavily basing this on super dark blue areas like NYC. Even in purple areas and light blue areas let alone red areas it’s way different.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 10:07 PM
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Fine then, but then don’t complain about how men are all assholes because of the ones you chose to select for dating from a larger pool. I see the FDS types do that a lot on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 10:06 PM
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I’d argue confidence can be improved but charisma is much harder to improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 10:04 PM
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I understand this is more vague but I’ve definitely felt compatible even when there isn’t a spark.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 10:04 PM
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Kindness, empathy should be valued way more. I’m not even saying charisma shouldn’t be valued at all but it should be way below those other qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 10:02 PM
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Again, someone can seem boring but just be shy and not talk a lot about interests and hobbies that make them interesting when you get to know them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 09:58 PM
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You left out the “also wasn’t particularly nice to start with” part.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 09:55 PM
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Maybe I am just not up with the times but this new idea niceness is defined by not being a total asshole is foreign to me. It’s also about doing positive things. And you don’t need social intelligence to be charismatic. Most people agree Trump is more charismatic than Ted Cruz and most other politicians. Still doesn’t make him all that socially intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 09:53 PM
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Judging by responses from women, women you are either exaggerating out of understandable frustration with asshole men or looking at the wrong groups of guys. I am from a rural area where a significant number have conservative ideas about gender and even there you can find men attracted to women who care about less surface level qualities in women than the ones you describe.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 07:19 PM
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I am telling you I know plenty of women who not only vote blue but passionately so that still go for toxic guys (often MAGA) especially in purple areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 07:14 PM
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Define “blue”. Arizona has gone blue a couple elections now but I still bet you majority of women there select for toxicity more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 06:34 PM
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I would dispute that based on red states alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 06:29 PM
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The upsurge in "incels" has been a really recent phenomena. We don't really know what is going to happen as the young generation gets older. How many of these women will end up settling for someone as they get older? How many will settle with men vs. women if they do given the upsurge in bisexual identification among young women? I really think people are actually underestimating the effects of these sociological changes especially with how fast they are happening. All the assumptions about the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 06:08 PM
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What world are you living in where men won't simp over women with short hair?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 05:50 PM
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There are men who are still good people despite abundant evidence it doesn't help them get laid in any significant way and women still don't go for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 05:45 PM
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I agree it's slowly changing especially in some communities (say women who identify as pansexual) but it is far far from gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 05:45 PM
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There's a big spectrum of toxicity beyond this one new app. I agree it is slowly becoming less common though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 05:42 PM
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These guys were usually not attractive either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 03:32 AM
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People’s brains aren’t fully developed until age 30. Most PPD discussions are on dating under age 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 06:03 PM
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50% of young people voted in 2020. Roe v Wade has now been overturned. Things have changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 03:56 PM
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I think the idea is that things that were once considered common knowledge are now suppressed in the feminist movement's desire to change gender stereotypes, but fundamentally in the dating arena, women still feel that way even if they know they aren't supposed to vocalize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 01:26 AM
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You tell me. When I went to high school in the late 2010's I can't tell you how many bleeding heart liberal girls were in relationships with Trump supporters. A good amount of that has continued even after high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 01:23 AM
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Thanks, I appreciate the advice!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 08:42 PM
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Then if you're getting some signals from her that she might be open to it All I can say is this is the part that personally I've never experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 05:59 PM
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I’ve heard this a lot and maybe it will work but if you meet women in a casual setting, it can be seen as weird and that you are “fuck zoning” them and being a creep using this activity as an excuse to try to pursue them romantically instead of pursuing the book club’s primary purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 02:36 PM
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Hang around better men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 01:51 AM
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In my anecdotal experience and based on data not as many as women. But I’m willing to listen to data that challenges this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 01:43 AM
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This is why I really feel weird about “charisma” as a quality women see in men. Charismatic people can be dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 01:19 AM
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There are women who don't wear makeup who are super picky too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 01:12 AM
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Disagree. Go to majority female spaces like colleges and same problems are still there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 11:16 PM
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I wish I could upvote this a million times.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 11:15 PM
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Most of the changes have happened in the last ten years. Women were already not dependent on men in say 2010.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 11:14 PM
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Would disagree it doesn’t matter but I find it so weird how disgusted older women are by younger men even as they admit to having dated older when they were younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 11:10 PM
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Not being able to think for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 11:08 PM
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But they still get with those women. Reddit rate me subs are a really bad representation of real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 11:03 PM
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No, you’re wrong. I used to think this until I kept seeing no matter the group/area/community and no matter how otherwise nice the woman is putting up with asshole behavior. Comparatively when dudes do date assholes, women friends of the guy think it’s obvious the gf sucked and can’t believe he didn’t pick up on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 11:01 PM
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And this type of mentality is why pursuing relationships is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:57 PM
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Most of us have worked on fixing ourselves. That doesn’t magically make your mental illness go away. Funny women never face the same scrutiny for their mental illnesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:56 PM
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First of all there’s no “yall”, I’m not a Red Piller. I don’t care about n count. The point is you can’t say it’s all these single Republican men women won’t date which is fueling the sexless young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:51 PM
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I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe in your case he really was great at acting. All I can say is I’ve been in a lot of different communities in a lot of very different areas and even with different age groups and I have not once that I can think of been surprised by the guy who is found to have cheated. There are many guys who have flaws but I could say I’m 99.9% sure would be nice enough/loyal enough not to cheat who have lots of trouble finding relationships. Meanwhile most women who defend g…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:49 PM
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And?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:45 PM
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So then how do we believe literally any of this data one way or the other if we inherently throw out self reporting? How could we ever evaluate anything based on data?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:45 PM
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But people haven’t been getting more religious in the last fifteen years. It’s the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:43 PM
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You think this drastic an increase has happened and no people have tried changing themselves? This is just an excuse to villainies young people when social media and late capitalism have just made everything worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:41 PM
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But… it kinda does? That’s how reproduction and society works. Countries with below replacement fertility levels are in crisis with not enough people to support the elderly population.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:40 PM
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Calling out hypocrisy means women should be picky?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:38 PM
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Go on any women forum and the vast majority prefer older men especially compared to men’s forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:38 PM
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That’s likely women taking the pandemic more seriously and going out less.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:37 PM
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The new data is since COVID. Women tend to take the pandemic more seriously. That’s different than wanting sex/a relationship and not being able to find it. 2022 data will clear things up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:37 PM
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It seems like this may be more women who are willingly avoiding sex because of being concerned about the pandemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:35 PM
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This is a big one. Can’t tell you how many girls were preferring old men even back to high school but especially by college.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:32 PM
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Many would probably label themselves moderate but if the choice of labels were only liberal and conservative they would choose liberal. Same reason overall the number of those who identify as liberal is like a third when 60% of young people went for Biden/Harris.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:25 PM
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It’s not that hard to figure out. So many women will be sure a woman who acts nice is an asshole after one interaction but will fall for the most half hearted nice guy act from an asshole man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:23 PM
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You clearly haven’t been around the world much lately.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:21 PM
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It is more masculine men who are having more luck dating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:21 PM
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Republicans 19-36 are having more sex than Democrats according to a 2018 survey. This isn’t a plausible explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:20 PM
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Probably to an extent but these are only those 36 years and under so it might go beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:19 PM
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Probably to an extent but I’m left leaning have liberal on my profiles and haven’t found anyone and plenty of Trump supporters I went to high school with had many liberal girlfriends over the years. Politics definitely takes a backseat to looks/charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:17 PM
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If this is the case why has the share of incel men gone up disproportionately in the last decade to decade and a half? Did men just suddenly stop “being good” in the last ten years?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 04:24 AM
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There are plenty of us who have friends but can’t find a relationship. Hell, there’s a reason the term “the friend zone” exists, because many of us have a way easier time making friendships with women than romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 04:21 AM
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It is not intuitive to all of us. I would be down to meet a male friend in the vast majority of situations including those that women in this thread said would bother them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:26 AM
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Trust me, if conservative Christians could’ve changed gays to bi then had them get a tradwife they would’ve.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 11:56 PM
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There are multiple options on Bumble. One can be hookups, one can be relationship and one can be "open to anything". You can screen for any one of them. Bumble in theory has the potential to be the best dating app but they added some self defeating features. The daily extends that basically create another way for men to have to initiate in some small way to prove themselves was a huge mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 11:42 PM
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And you have to deal with rich assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:55 PM
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Are you kidding? Women ghost all the time before the first meeting.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 05:09 PM
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Those women wouldn’t be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 03:59 PM
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Women message even less on average
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 05:57 AM
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Women might not date Andrew Tate but they are certainly willing to excuse dating guys that are fans of Andrew Tate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 05:06 AM
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I’d argue makeup and clothing alone makes women more able to change than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 05:03 AM
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Not all of us can afford it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:58 AM
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I never assumed that at all. And yes, the fact men have broader tastes has been part of my entire point. That’s why your constant “lower your standards” thing doesn’t make sense because men already have lower standards than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:55 AM
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I’m not in a major city. Many men aren’t in major cities. That sub is probably great but it’s for men’s mental health as a whole, not loneliness. I tried to avoid incel groups and went for less toxic ones like r/foreveralone but there still wasn’t a lot of good advice there and plenty of toxicity even though it wasn’t misogyny. All I can tell you is find like a mediocre profile pic man and go on Bumble and like every woman including the ugly ones if you don’t believe me. I promise it’s not as ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:53 AM
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I don’t know if your experience is representative. Go on an app as a man looking for woman and tell me the women in those profile pics couldn’t get any men in regular life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:45 AM
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Bumble specifically let’s you filter for those who do or don’t want a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:41 AM
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The messages from women are worse. I have never gotten any interesting first message from a woman on Bumble. It’s an app literally built for women to initiate yet the best you get is just “hi” then you are expected to initiate with something far more profound.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:41 AM
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But modern culture created by dating apps has made approaching a woman IRL be considered way weirder than it used to be. Even a lot of women on this thread saying to pursue IRL are giving amendments about times they wouldn’t want to be approached IRL that they think are intuitive but aren’t to many men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:39 AM
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Women at clubs are often drunk and not in the mood for a real conversation and that’s if either of you can even hear each other over the music. Same for bars.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:38 AM
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People consider the way people used to get dates toxic. “Unless I don’t want to be in which case it’s obvious I’m giving ‘don’t bother me’ vibes” It is absolutely not obvious to everyone. I’d say a large majority of guys who post about dating woes on places like here have trouble picking up on those social cues.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:34 AM
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Yeah the only places that are seen to be socially acceptable to walk up to people IRL in order to pursue them romantically are bars and clubs which have a lot of the same problems as the apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:33 AM
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In current society some consider it creepy to try and approach someone IRL. If you try to be more subtle and just act friendly towards the woman you may be accused of being an emotional manipulator and “fuckzoning” then when you finally admit you are interested romantically not just as a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:32 AM
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You are severely overestimating the satisfaction men get from these apps. They mostly frustrate us too. It’s also considered way more potentially creepy for a man to approach a woman in everyday life vs a woman to approach a man which is another incentive for men to not give up on apps as quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:29 AM
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Plenty of women are online dating especially younger women: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/02/06/10-facts-about-americans-and-online-dating/
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:28 AM
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It’s definitely hard for both genders but not to the same extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:25 AM
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Men mass swipe because we want to get to know you first before dismissing you just based on a profile mostly centered around looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:24 AM
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I can assure you I’ve asked non model women on actual dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:23 AM
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That’s gonna limit your options though. How many spots are there on benches vs. people walking around? Uber pool just started back up after being gone for two and a half years.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:20 AM
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On bumble you can actively filter for only those who say they want a relationship and not a hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:18 AM
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Exactly. For say fat women, the whole “things will change in college” type explanations don’t tend to be given. Which might be tougher for them in the short term but leads to more time to accept it in the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 03:52 AM
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I wish you weren’t being downvoted for this. They should go on Bumble with a bottom third level man profile pic and see how many matches they get if they like everyone. That would open their eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 03:44 AM
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Go on Bumble as a man looking for women and try to argue there are a ton of less conventionally attractive women throwing themselves at men. It does not happen. It’s an imagined scenario that’s convenient to ignore the fact there are plenty of men who have really low standards but still end up alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 03:40 AM
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Women marry the type of men who leave them when they have cancer then convince themselves all men are like that. We could’ve warned you those men were assholes in that way before you got with them. Women never seem to ask for men’s advice on what the men we are forced to be around are like as individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 03:38 AM
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"Every heterosexual women that wants to be in a relationship is in a relationship" Data and common sense show this isn't true. "Or those dudes need to be bisexual and date other dudes" We have tried changing people's sexuality before. It was called conversion therapy and didn't work out too well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 01:53 AM
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A pretty conventionally attractive boyfriend at that. I sometimes think people in this sub are living in a different universe. I've seen it claimed ugly women can't get men even if they are rich on here. Lizzo isn't even JK Rowling/Oprah rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 01:51 AM
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Trust me, we all know looks matter. It's usually anti Red Pillers coming on here saying the extent looks matter is inflated by Red Pillers. Your basic proposal, lower your standards, I am telling you is something many men have tried and it still doesn't work. Can you give a good reason why the gap between number of men who can't find a relationship and women would have risen immensely since the early 2010's if the problem is just men not knowing looks matter? Was there something that changed sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 01:48 AM
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A) First of all I don't believe everything PPD says. But if some women lie, so do some men which is what I keep trying to tell you. Why do you insist on saying only toxic men not helping men are the problem and that toxic women don't also share in the responsibility? B) Again, so many feminists seem to think men have this insane comfort level with each other that we just do not have. In fact you yourself said in other comments there is a lack of positive male figures. Why is the solution to how …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 01:41 AM
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Can you link to any of these genuine efforts? You yourself literally pretty much said there's nothing helping an ugly face except going for someone homely. Trust me, men who want love have tried lowering their standards. It often still doesn't work. You keep offering explanations that don't explain why there was a rapid disproportionate very large spike in men trying for romantic relationships with women who can't find them since 2012 that just don't hold water. There were men isolating themselv…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 01:33 AM
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I was referring to "young men who are missing basic building blocks from their childhood and/or suffering from trauma" Those men wouldn't inherently be misogynistic. I'm talking about them, not the Red Pill narrative. Plenty of young girls are isolating themselves too, so the burden of proof is on you to show evidence young boys are isolating themselves at disproportionately higher rates. What defines a "positive male figure"? Previous generations had male figures who were explicitly misogynisti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 01:29 AM
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I mean ok then, just ask the women you are competing for men with who are doing much better with dating men than you for advice on how to get men. That would be the equivalent comparison but you have curiously never mentioned it. I never said there was ill intent. The ugliness thing was our whole point. Thing is in the modern dating world, it's pretty hard for a guy with an ugly face to get anywhere even with homely Bertha.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 01:25 AM
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Yep, it’s escalated to where any guy who isn’t dating is seen to inevitably be misogynist/violent to the point incel has become a replacement for misogynist in language. This gives an excuse to women that they aren’t making a poor choice to be with fuccbois. They are forced to because the only men who are being ignored in favor of fuccbois are all violent misogynists who would be even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 12:22 AM
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It’s a way of shirking responsibility. If you convince yourselves all the men who clearly do not seem to have ulterior motives and want serious relationships are all toxic incels who would turn on you if you rejected them and be violent, then you don’t have to accept it is your own choices leading to you getting hurt emotionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 12:20 AM
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You’d be surprised how many women in the same situation as the man you described still get dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 12:17 AM
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It’s not weird at all. First of all many of us are not looking to just “fuck women” we are looking for fulfilling romantic relationships with women. You know, the same as many women want fulfilling romantic relationships with a man. One of the most common complaints anecdotally from women is men who only want to have sex with them and don’t want relationships. Then the pool of men who do want relationships that women ignore ask what they don’t have that makes them ignored. You are mad at them fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 12:14 AM
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To add onto what tired_hillbilly is saying, the men who are popular with women have an incentive not to give you good advice for fear of competition. The one group with an incentive to give good advice is women and often they still don’t whether you want to admit it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:58 PM
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Yes and it’s easy for Red Pill to exploit them when nowhere else in society does anyone have any sympathy for them. You have shown very little sympathy for them here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:57 PM
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But there have been whole movements pretty well received by say MSM challenging the bullying of say fat women. Meanwhile the only movements rising up to challenge the exclusion of men in arenas like romantic relationships are often toxic and bigoted and then the societal mainstream paints all men who can’t find someone as the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:56 PM
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Why would you ask your male peers about what women want instead of your female peers?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:53 PM
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It’s not just mothers, it’s all kinds of women in young men’s lives. Men in women’s lives don’t need to teach women how to get a man because it’s not that hard to. But in the case of the small percentage of women that do have trouble finding a man (say obese women), their fathers or whoever else don’t say to them “just be nice and you’ll find a guy”. They will say society is wrong for not loving you. That’s something men no matter how nice will never get even if it’s obvious looks or something s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:52 PM
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So not being an asshole provides no added value at all? If so I wish more women would be honest about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:49 PM
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Except tons of toxic guys have girlfriends. So it’s not the bare minimum, in fact while women may prefer nice guys if they wouldn’t have to give up any other quality, in practice niceness or lack of niceness isn’t a deciding factor for women at all. Also at least in America, until the recent Dobbs decision, you made the choice to be the parent of a boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:47 PM
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A simple "no" would have sufficed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:30 PM
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"I'm guessing all the stereotypical traits that women love (tall, lots of money, big dick, etc)?" Not necessarily. For one thing, usually you are not the first or only person they are doing this to. You can find out on the grapevine if they have done this before. It's way harder to find out if a past "friendzoning" for lack of a better term has happened because it's so ubiquitous and more likely to be seen as no one's fault or the problem of the person who was friendzoned that it doesn't get tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:29 PM
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But there are pools of men who want a relationship that women ignore. There aren’t nearly as many women who explicitly say they want a relationship that men ignore to pursue women who end up only wanting to be friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:08 PM
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Another thing is women will bring up being fuckzoned by someone they consider a friend. That is shitty for sure but you have other friends usually. If someone is romantically interested in someone and it turns out they only want to be friends that just emphasizes having no romantic partner while desiring one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:05 PM
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Do you have any studies to back that up?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:02 PM
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You have a study for this that clearly shows causation and not just correlation?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:01 PM
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I get what you’re saying but it seems way easier to predict which guy may be leading you on. Whereas almost any kind of woman may just want to be friends and not give many clear signals that’s all she wants. Same as women from all walks of life will have relatively high standards in comparison to similar men. By comparison, there are some men who pretty clearly make it obvious they want a relationship and something beyond sex who women pass by to go for guys who stay purposely more vague about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 11:00 PM
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True but not nearly as broad as men and yet it rarely gets acknowledged except by Red Pillers, who then use that as a springboard to make wildly exaggerating claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 10:27 PM
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It's super hard to go from an app to real life. Data bears this out. Women will even say as much giving safety concerns as an explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 10:26 PM
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"If a women is rich and nice but ugly no one wants to fuck her" Are you serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:59 AM
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"Drop your standards" You don't think we've tried? For some of us literally zero women have pursued us our entire lives. Not an exagerration.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:57 AM
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I just found this thread now.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:59 AM
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Either women stop trying with men who are consistently not looking for a relationship or end up alone or in a toxic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:52 AM
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"Didn't even want to try" This is another part of the issue though. Lack of women who do not meet the societal beauty standards even trying leads to even less of a dating pool for men looking. You seem to fault fat men for not pursuing you when you yourself say you didn't want to try either. Why is it on them to make the first move?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:48 AM
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You realize not all straight men looking but unable to find partners come to these forums?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:43 AM
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Isn't the whole point of these discussions how picky a lot of women are?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:37 AM
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That's the one thing that never gets answered. You know what the funny thing is? The one thing that has helped in dating a bit is adding more friends to profile photos. Because so many women claim to not want you to be friends with toxic men but assume any man without many male friends is creepy or more dangerous and will automatically disqualify them faster than the friends of the toxic men. As if the men who can't find a partner are easily able to make friends too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:34 AM
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Why do women assume 1) Non asshole men are friends with asshole men Most of the men we're talking about aren't in those groups of guys you are talking about standing around and doing nothing. AND 2) We are such good friends with the asshole men that they value our friendship so much a conversation where we tell them not to be shitty will make them change their behavior. Newsflash: They ignore us the same way they ignore women they are in a relationship when those women try to fix them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:31 AM
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What I think people are pointing out are those simultaneously saying they want serious love and going primarily for guys they can have fun with and believing them anytime they say they want more than sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:04 AM
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Except in so many experiences, especially when we're younger, it's painfully obvious which men are genuine and which are lying to get in your pants to fellow men. Women in my experience are so much smarter than men in other ways and yet so many seem to lose all sense when judging character during dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 01:30 AM
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