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"Worthy" men understand that women have their own interests, accept them and do not dare to claim anything beyond limits. They want their future partners to be happy and do not try to restrict their experience (within reason). They have a right to demand loyalty in dating and commitment, but not before that. If a man thinks too much about "how much dck my wife has taken before me" - this man is mid in terms of marriage and commitment *at best. It easily could be a sign of problems in attitude to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:07 AM
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Hey, if it was a consensual sex with a woman who's doing sex work (without payment, just like a one-night-stand) it's a different case. If the guy was the prostitutor, that's an another story. And, again, I was mentioning the cases where accountability is due. Crime record is one of them. Cheating is one of them. Never said: "Your past doesn't matter completely"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 06:50 PM
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The problem there was not in the fact of having sex with someone, but in the fact that it was a prostitute. If it would be a consensual one-night-stand, there would be no problem with this man. Can't say that this example is fair: it is well known how dangerous sex work can be, it has many ethical questions unanswered, and in some western countries (Sweden) it's even a crime to be a "prostitutor". So, it can be read as this man ignores these social issues. It goes a bit further than just persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 06:29 PM
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To hide the truth is to not talk about it at all. In my example approach is different. If people use the term "plus-size" on you, it is a clear sign that you are overweight. "It's harder to date as a plus-size person, it's shrinking your dating pool" - if the dating is more important for this person than to stay in their comfort zone, it will be obvious for them that the answer on their question is to start losing weight. No need for insults, really. I get it, some prefer tough approach, and amo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:25 PM
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"The truth must be served like a coat, and not thrown in the face like a wet towel." Mark Twain. Good quote. It's not "social manipulation" to not call an overweight stranger a "fat ass". It's decency. The term "plus-size" is considered more polite. That's it. The gender difference in approach you described is, surprise, misandristic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:03 PM
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But it is often goes to a "fuck you for not being attractive". More than that, it can go to "there's something wrong in people who like you". Goes for both sexes, btw. Company of men talking about "how much of a someone else's dick she was taking before you", company of women talking about how it's "unnatural that a man wants to be a SAHD and earning less". Not insulting the guy who rejected you is more of a "respecting the choice of others they have right to make", not the "taking accountabilit…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:56 PM
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Yes, but he is still deserving to find his Ms. Right if he wants to. Being overweight is, ofc, not the best example, considering it's really harmful to his health, but still. He has a right to date. To look for commitment. It will be harder for him, yes. And still. I personally know many overweight men who are happily married with no problem. Compare those two phrases, answering on a rant about how hard the dating scene is for him: "What did you expect, you whale? Such guy as you won't be attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:29 PM
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Dunno. Maybe I will marry one, who knows. Love is blind and all that. Or he will become one. Or I will become one. Who knows. And goddamn, I did pointed out that preference is a thing and it's valid. My rant is simple: don't make a whole "accountability" thing about it. If a man rejects a woman for being blonde while he wants a brunette - does a blonde woman really made a mistake? Should she be held "accountable" for her looks, especially if she really likes her hair colour? Same here. Traits th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:04 PM
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I get why there's talk about accountability in terms of financial debts (no mentioning of is she's paying her debt btw, maybe she's perfectly capable of that) cheating, addictions and crime records. Number of children as well - it's not a problem on its own, but it makes dating and commitment harder, this is true But when it's about tatoos, especially the ones the woman likes, consensual sexual partners and non-harmful personality traits that are not fitting in a description of "submissive tradi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:25 PM
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Answer all of the takes. No proofs, complete ignorance of my arguments about changing behaviour when a person is in love. Just the repeat of the same superficial, unproved statement. Am I disputing with a parrot or a person? But you don't need any proof that women don't act submissive for attractive men I explained why. I explained why it isn't natural and brought examples with me. You ignored them. still haven't presented a single proof of any of their "Just World" fallacy Quote from my comment…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 11:58 AM
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My first comment to you was literally me disagreeing with the way you described the traditional definition of femininity I haven't described the traditional definition of femininity, I described how traditionalism saw women as lesser beings and expected them to act submissive to their husbands, which is degrading. My comments did not contained the word "femininity" at all. You literally quoted my words in your first comment: Yeah, but in traditional way this "serving" is described as degrading f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 02:16 PM
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No, it wasn't about traditional definition of femininity, it was about how dimunitive traditionality is to a woman. Also, your quote, it is about "real problem women have with traditionalism" now. Reread your own wording: it's widening the discourse on its own. Accept it, or change the subject. Modern day is the best time to live in. And most women cannot have multiple husbands in most countries still. I chose that example to show historical, traditional injustice. You picked it up to falsely ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:28 PM
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Nope, it isn't. Traditional description of women is pretty much degrading. "Wives, submit to you husbands as to the Lord", but no "Husbands, submit to your wifes as to the Lord". “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay "her father* fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the y…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 04:07 AM
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Yeah, but in traditional way this "serving" is described as degrading for women. Source: any religious and/or philosophical book before 19th century. Thus, I would avoid the word "serve" in the description of any marriage, especially the pro-traditional (it is, thankfully, impossible to have a "true" traditional marriage in modern times in most countries) one. It means different things for people around you and you should understand that. Unless ofc it is an exact wish to have some "servidom" in…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 11:00 PM
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My husband will serve this "some rich dude" as well. Why should I tolerate extra chain links in the system of power? It costs the energy y'know Besides, anyone (mostly, men) who sees marriage as "serving" to husband and kids should seriously think about how it sounds for other people - mostly, women. If you don't see anything concerning in your wording, there are good chances you won't be an empathetic husband. Also, no, the reason for women being less interested in children than men is much sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 10:36 PM
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It is a half of the economy. Even if I will accept your take in "zero effect" in women only labour (which is not true, the simplest example is medicine - try to survive without 85% of your healthcare employees) - economy is not only about producing, but also about consuming. As long as money rule the world - it is more profitable to trade and to work than to conquer. That's literally the reason why women managed to get proper rights at some point in history: because the main power in the world b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:46 AM
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If men would disappear in one moment for some reason, the society at first would collapse, then recover in something new. The women who are hard-working and creative, or will be able to become such, will survive. The others... Not so much. Simple natural selection. Same if the women would disappear in the same way: a loss of a half of the world economy will be devastating. But I would argue that men-only society would struggle more with violence and reproduction. For women, you need only to crea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 01:56 PM
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Oh, thank you for clarification , it was definitely my poor English
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:07 AM
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Sorry, it seems to be an incompatible cultural difference... Amd probably my bad English. What do you mean by "putting down"? To "put down" someone who's responsible, especially while they have your back, seems like a shameful thing. A friend who's friendly to you only as long as everything is good is no friend at all, it's "buddy", "pal", but nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:07 PM
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But "emergency contact person" is your best friend. "Platonic fun", on other hand, is exactly about sharing a hobby, hanging out, it isn't that serious. Ofc having those packed in spousal relationship is great, and some of the elements of "fun" friendship, such as somewhat mutual sense of humour, are crucial. Absolute lack of mutual things such as life values can lead to antipathy, which is worse than neutral relationship. I am just saying that sometimes friendship is based on different things t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:22 PM
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I think you have a weird definition of the "best friend". Best friend is exactly a reliable, supportive person who genuinely likes you and whose you like back. It's not about sharing a hobby or hanging out with a beer or something, having fun etc, it's exactly about life. Friendship comes in different forms and can happen between very different people, but as long as they have something to appreciate in each other things are going well. If my spouse does all that you mentioned for me, they are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:56 PM
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Erection on its own is no sign of consent, it's a physiological reaction on certain stimulus Rape victims of both sexes do feel arousal, that's natural and that's how our bodies work. And it makes the whole thing an even worse experience tbf
/r/MensRights20/08/24 05:58 PM
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Absolutely not. SAH fathers build strong relationship with their kids and take away a good chunk of stress from mother who just gave birth in case of first several months, helping her accommodate to a new hormonal state. Later, from the point of view of feminism, such husbands solve the big problem for every woman: career or family, allowing her to have both. From the point of men's rights, it's breaking "the box", introducing new role for men and creating a working family model for men who do n…
/r/MensRights19/08/24 10:26 PM
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Still haven't found a quote, heh? Yes, I do understand that some men have this specific kink of a woman who was loyal to them even before they met and will submit to them, yes. Yes, it is very pleasant, it is romantic, it doesn't hurt your feelings of belonging, it feels classy, you won't be haunted by a thought "has any if my friends slept with my wife before?". But! If a man has some common sense and is not a self-centered prick, he should understand that this sexual fantasy should remain a fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 09:36 PM
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I wm just describing it as it is. Everything has risks, right? In such important thing as romance, especially in traditional way, where beiya wife material is so important, you better pay attention on all of the potential problems. ...I am not sure they actually live my lifestyle. I don't known what they stand for and what they looking for in a partner. You need to point on a certain woman who is saying that and ask her on her worldview. Preferably for honest answers. I, on other hand, have my f…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 09:21 PM
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Trying to be the traditional husband already, huh? Is it bad enough or not - not for you to decide. There's risk for everything, question is - is it worth it? I took the shrink of my pool of potential partners and risk of staying single for life for good career, good sex life and high standards for a husband and a rare soulmate who will share my beliefs. I consider it enough price and I accepted it. They took the risk of devastating divorce that will affect their children more than it happens in…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 09:00 PM
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No, it's the opposite. If they truly want that exact men in that exact way, my position won't stop them. They will be more cautious tho I hope, men who talk about how wonderful traditional lifestyle is often hide (or even don't understand, as we saw here) the risks. They should answer to themselves why they are choosing this way of life to themselves and accept all pros and cons of it. If they will end up being (fairly) scared by these cons (btw, if you didn't saw a single risk described in my c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 08:43 PM
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Well, I tried my best to describe my position in the comments above. I get that it won't persuade you, your position is based not only on your mind, but on your feelings as well. To be fair, mine position is based on those too, although I consider it more rational. Thus, I am left with the last resort. We have a traditional way of answering the thesis "You are wrong!", in the best tradition of Internet: no u ...and by this statement I have proven that I am a woman indeed, because it's widespread…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 08:12 PM
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Well, anyway, my main problems here were two things: sex life and career approaching. Anything else beside it - don't think we will disagree, it is very classy. Cheating is bad, no matter who has done the deed. If you are looking for a serious relationship you date one person at the time, don't go for one-night-stands, this is disrespectful. All things should be consensual. Yes, you have to ask a man too. Don't lie about your reasons and interests. Misogyny is bad. Misandry too. Ideally, be a pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:58 PM
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First, you need to define "American women behaviour", because I know actually little about it. I get that many people try sex before marriage there and do one-night-stands, but it happens here as well. Many women also nowadays choose the career first to make sure they will be able to support their families and have s first child at their 30 - the perfect compromise between biology and social life, and it's not really "traditional". We have a great beauty industry and healthier food, that's true …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:41 PM
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Still don't see a quote of "misunderstanding male's preference". And no, we are not that traditional. More accountable tho, maybe. The fall of the Soviet Union was a harsh thing, many had to take things in their own hands. Go check the life expectancy in post-Soviet countries, we have a gap in 10 years between sexes. More family-oriented maybe as well, I, myself, a modern woman - but I am not childfree for example, and I do know that I want my own kids. For that I don't drink, don't smoke, ever,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:35 PM
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Also, quote, "it boggles my mind how yall (...)". Isn't that mean, "you all"? Sorry, my English is not that good. I may misunderstood.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:19 PM
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No, I don't. You made assumptions from your own head. Go on, bring a quote from any of my comments that said, "men do not prefer traditional women". NOT the quote "I prefer men who value modern women".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:17 PM
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"You should be asking" - well, it doesn't happen. Other people's thoughts "boggles your mind". Maybe you don't understand something? Maybe you are not so good at understanding people of other sex? Maybe your worldview is not that good, if it can't explain why people act in the way the act? Traditional women chose that way despite all the risks - are you sure you understand correctly why they do that? Are you sure you truly know their needs to be thr traditional husband they deserve? Because many…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:09 PM
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As I said before, finding Mr./Mrs. Right is the best scenario. The good spouse does make your life more fulfilling and their company brings a lot of joy, it's true for everyone - but a bad one can destroy your life. And if you are traditional woman, bad marriage will bring far more misery. You asked what disadvantages traditional women have - here's another one, stronger than any. If you marry and have kids young, and your husband turns out to be not suited for family and leaves - not only you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 06:54 PM
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Not with Korean or Japanese people. Their culture, nation and even phenotype are endangered because of that. China' population will half itself too soon. India and Bangladesh are still thriving, but their birthrates on decline too. Western world, on other half... Situation is not as bad as it could be, but it's changing for the worse as well. I am not in USA. I am Eastern European. Here, you make the same mistake you accused me of. You think that modern women are miserable, especially if they st…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 06:29 PM
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No, I meant, no animal species reproduce in such low frequency. Less than one time pregnancy in a lifetime, and only one descendant? That's insane. Ha, you know what's funny? You are in the same position as I am. Traditionality is a rare thing amongst women for the reasons I described, and it getting rarer and rarer. You have to pursue big money in hope to attract them and to pay them for disadvantages they take... Maybe, you would want an advice, in case you fail to do so?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:59 PM
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True, but we aren't reproduce the same way as it were. Again, Korea' birthrate is LOWER THAN ONE. That's insane. No animal on the planet reproduce in such way. It's some heavy natural selection actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:51 PM
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Then I suppose such ideas and instincts will go extinct in several generations, at least in successful families. Genes that define disgust in promiscuity (not involving cheating, again) will be predominantly continued only in single parents (mothers) households.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:45 PM
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Again, you haven't even bothered to read carefully. Of course there are not much men who fit my criteria. As I mentioned, they are exceptional. I never said I took the easy road. But hey, "the most rewarding thing is supposed to be hard"! Ain't that your own words? At the end, I recommend to take a look on the stats of South Korea. Men and women there do want different things, and guess where it brought them? They will highly likely go extinct in several generations because of how unfitting "tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:35 PM
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It's what I defined for myself as a value, just like you considered it's important for your future wife to never sleep with anybody but you. Difference is, my definition of value stands on morals. Your - on your emotional desires. I would say that it's insufferable to even listen to "traditional" men talk, leave alone sleep with them, but I will be wrong. It's insufferable to be around men who want traditional women, which is a big difference. I imagine them telling some of their ideas to their …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:25 PM
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You better do care, because it seems like you didn't even read that I wrote. Valuable men do not define woman's worth on her "traditionality", because they understand how disadvantageous it is for them. They respect their intrests, and try to stand on those few things that both genders value. And they are exceptional indeed. The only thing you get right is that I ain't new here, and I can tell that you just push classic agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:11 PM
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I am taking about risks she might have in marriage. She might lose many years there and yes, for woman it's more important. Traditional women do not divorce. It's not a strict traditionality you talk about. And if they divorce, they have a hard time to find a job. Normally they also have kids on their hands at that moment. Women outside the west? Like who? Korea, maybe? Japan? China? Very traditional countries in modern world who suffer immensely of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:05 PM
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I didn't said "players" can't get a long term girlfriend. I said "they are not traditional". They could want and even get traditional women, but they don't suit their lifestyle and may struggle to keep up with them. If big amount of sexual partners breaks the ability to bond with a spouse, it happens with men too. If it doesn't, there's no meaning in being traditional in terms of sex. I don't care about what most men look for, just like you don't care for modern women' interests. I do not want a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:01 PM
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If a man allows himself to sleep around, he's no way traditional. Masculine - maybe. That's why masculinity is never of a big value for me then it comes to choice of the future husband: it doesn't actually define any truly important qualities, such as moral stands and life values. I would say that such men, if we somehow slept together, will have to question himself, who's used who for pleasure - but I have a rare interest in such "pleasantries" and if I do, I am straight about it. No, there are…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:44 PM
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You don't, bit it's harder. Way harder, especially if you want some quality beyond big money. Again, I do not assume that all traditional women are miserable. Don't influence a woman who need to know her risks before getting traditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:18 PM
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It means you spoke too little with actually traditional women, especially the ones of age. Or didn't bother to actually listen. Can't say anything about being "happier", but their lifestyles are certainly more free. I am consider myself a "modern" woman, and I would never go "traditional". It would damage my pride immensely, pride of my mother, both grandmothers (all married once in life, my parents still together, my grandparents were together to the deathbeds) and my potential daughters. Kinda…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:14 PM
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Nope, if we are talking about strict traditionality, no job for woman, only housework. I do not assume they all are miserable, but they have a higher risk to end up there. And like I said, the fact men seek to marry you doesn't make your life good or fulfilling - even in terms of romance. Have you ever heard of Madonna/Whore complex? Many men cheat on their traditional wifes and see nothing too bad in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:06 PM
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Not sure. If you a Christian, would you convert yourself to Buddhism for a marriage? Would you be able to live in tropical climate? Can you learn a new language? Finally, are you ready to live on husband's local income and live a life as a local woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:02 PM
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Nope. It isn't. Being a traditional woman will take all your life under this identity. Thing is, person's worth for society and for themselves are not defined by desirability as a partner. There are many things said about problems of traditional lifestyle for women, here's some of them: One salary income house is harder to maintain than two salary income, it works only for really rich people OR in countries with great social support. Risk of sexual incompatibility already discussed, but there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:00 PM
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True, just as I said: being traditional is kinda hard and not that rewarding actually
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:51 PM
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Could be a solution. But it's... A)mostly very religious, so, you'll have to convert. If you already have faith or is a strict atheist it could be a problem. B) very culturally different from the west. Countries with trade lifestyle are poorer, also.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:50 PM
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Also, sexual comparability is important. Character' faults can be compromised about if there are some virtues, but sexual incompatibility is a dead end. So yeah, most women who value their sex life and want to start a family do sleep with men they are in relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:46 PM
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...well, asexual women, maybe, don't. And many women who try to be traditional don't. Alas, it works well only in areas with wide-spread traditional mindset. "They don't pick us": could be the problem here: men do not like to wait. And yes, when you see a couple who are with each other for some time, (far from a first date) you assume they sleep together and you highly likely correct. That's kinda the current norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:42 PM
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Superficial attraction is not enough. To actually know the person you need to stay with them for a while. To know sexual comparability - sleep with them. To learn about how reliable they are - have some mutual responsibility. Basically, have a relationship before marriage. Not really traditional. Especially when it comes to sex, "too high body count" is a very common complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:30 PM
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Thing is, you can't stay "traditional" if you scroll through men. You do that - you become "modern".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:24 PM
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It wasn't a norm in the same way being rich isn't a norm now. Technically, most of the people are not billionaires - but the culture of "big money" is widespread even amongst those who can't afford it. It wasn't exactly stigmatized, it was forbidden by law. Big difference. Also, western monogamy first-hand defined "economy" of relationships, not sexual behaviour: brothels were legal, and it was allowed for married men to visit. The only thing important enough was the role of the husband as a pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:12 PM
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Any ancient law, describing spousal relationship. Bible. Quaran. Whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 07:04 AM
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No. Women weren't happier. They were silenced. Men never respected women more than now, considering what kind of things they were allowed to do, to say and to write in laws. Slavery, torture and public executions worked for thousands of years too. Women weren't misandristic, because they and their lifes consisted of misogyny. They were gendered versions of Uncle Ruckus, so to speak. You are delusional... Or rather, self-centered.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 07:01 AM
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"Male promiscuity has traditionally been stigmatized" - my friend, polygyny is still a thing; harems was a thing, male promiscuity has been romanticised in fiction; "Stallion who mounts the world!", "Descendants of Chingiz Khan", Herculean myths, etc. Male promiscuity is encouraged in good chunk of our culture, not stigmatized.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 06:58 AM
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Again, what is "traditional values"? People do love this term, but they often mean by that something completely modern (such as love and commitment) or something completely misogynistic (freedom for me but not for thee)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 12:50 AM
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If not returning to the past, what is the alternative? The current state of relationships field is exactly a search for new solutions. Some try to avoid getting serious, some try polygamy, some fight for monogamy. The ones who will find out a way to raise their kids successful and willing to reproduce in the same way win. Divorce rates and single motherhood are our reality now. Is it a bad thing? Time will show.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 12:19 AM
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Damn, I do love when people idealise the past. "Modern XXX RUINED our society! It was better before that!" My friend, the past was at least as miserable as today, and even worse. "Sexual liberation" of women haven't changed anyone's sexual behaviour. It just stopped punishment for women for the same things (within consent) men did. Brothels existed for a reason, and no amount of religious beliefs were able to get rid of them. Such thing as "deep, meaningful relationship" thing as we are perceivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 11:59 PM
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Yes, it's still possible for him to have kids, but only with medical assistance and IVF. Mother of his future kids also will have to go through hormonal stimulation and invasive manipulations to get there, even if she's absolutely healthy.
/r/MensRights12/08/24 04:14 PM
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I didn't said that the man will 100% leave, I said it's gonna be a challenge for him and for his family. And a significant part of the people will fail it or will be dangerously close to failing it. Are you gonna be one of those people - that's up to you. But from woman perspective, alas, there's little to be made.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:40 AM
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Check "Pygmalion Effect"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:36 AM
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If kids are only concern, you are speaking about parenting and nurturing children, not about relationship between two adults. ...and as there's no obligation to f*ck your kids' school teacher, there's bo obligation to stay with the person who has nothing in common with you outside of children
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 06:38 AM
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See? "A big amount of options". The attitude "I have no other choice and I have to learn how to love the person I have ended up with" gonna be under siege the moment these options will introduce themselves. The sexual and romantic market value of a man grows with his age and status. If this man never were picky, this change will be a challenge for him one way or another. And if he already managed to create a family, for his wife and children too. I probably used the wrong term for what I called …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 02:01 PM
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Tell that to dozens of women who were left by their husbands when they realised they are finally became attractive to the people they actually like. Or worse: to women who were openly cheated and neglected by their spouses due to the same reasons. "But I did not left her!" Bruh. Like if it has a value in this case. There would be no such boomer jokes as "I hate my wife" if your words were true. It's a product of the situation on sexual market on my opinion. Most men have to settle with the woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 12:49 PM
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In the right way. Good amount of delusions of good quality can and will change your life for the better: just look at religious people! If you can't figure out how to live a life while accepting all of the harsh realities of the Universe, you probably should try your chances with some ephemeral ideas. Some of them, especially the ones that are dependent on your actions and perception, may even came out as true in a manner of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 12:28 PM
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"Tall" isn't a personality requirement, but anyway... Again, men probably should try it out. Even thinking of themselves as unique. Raise self-worth. Sink a bit in these tasty delusions. It's not like this doomer attitude makes them feel better anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 11:02 AM
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Counterpoint: men should enforce strict personality requirements. Otherwise they lose interest to their SO after some time, realising they actually don't like her as a person and never truly wanted to commit to her in the first place. Being just nice is not enough, and it works for both genders. Men just struggle more on the first stages of relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 10:16 AM
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...like, what? That it is possible to be so bad in relationship no one would want to have you by their side? Well, yes. If you cheat, lie, if you don't keep your hygiene in check, if you are an ignorant prick, if you whine without ever acknowledging the struggles of your partner in return, if you insult your partner and manipulate them in a wrong way, if you are narcissistic egoistical megalomaniac; finally, if you do drugs and drink too much alcohol - yes, you should be avoided at all cost as a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 09:24 PM
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How exactly "low" was the supposed husband value? Because yeah, I can imagine a few people whose value as a partner is so low it's better to be with anyone else but them. More than that, it's better to be completely alone than to be with them. They are not straight up criminals, but they are a mess. And yes, sometimes they still get married, leaving their spouses (of both sexes) in regret of their decision to commit to them. If things you saying are true, you probably just too redpill to see act…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 04:31 PM
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Go try to tell your mother that she was "creampied" for having you, she'll explain you what you got wrong here You do not telling us a story about happy marriage or even just a successful dating life here. You are telling a story about a dude who created several single mothers with unknown opinion on the fact that dad of their kids is a malewhore - and you put him as a good example. Honestly, I don't mind the idea of moving somewhere to find a love of your life, especially somewhere you more app…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 02:08 AM
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Dude. Problem here is not even the fact that you prefer Asian girls, or that you as a "white male" receive romantical attention from them. Problem is, how disrespectful you are about it. If you can't speak properly even about women who genuinely like you enough to create a whole new person with you, problem is NOT in the dating market situation Pls consider celibacy or something. It's too late for your friend I guess. Or, he's really good at lying. I hope for the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 01:55 AM
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That's why I sometimes find myself into the idea of governmental child support instead of parental. "Taxes for childless" are probably not really a bad thing, considering that every person actually wants their society to reproduce. Let's say you (doesn't matter, man or woman or whatever) are 20 now. For you, to meet with your 34 y.o. doctor at your 55 for heart surgery - someone, somewhere, right now has to look at the pregnancy test and say: "Alrighty, let's do it!" - for this Mr/Ms. Doctor to …
/r/MensRights04/06/24 07:35 AM
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See, it has nothing with instinct. It's just hate and disrespect of other human beings. Your warnings are pointless: no man who acts like this is husband material. It doesn't mean you have to fall in love with every person you hookup with, but you must keep things smooth and respectful. If you're incapable, well, go paint your flag red for us to see better...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:49 AM
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Yep, maybe that's true, but don't tie these feelings to the hookup culture and promiscuity discourse. A man can desperately fall in love with a sex-worker and be hateful towards his 100% loyal wife/virgin gf. I dunno what can be a true reason for these feelings, but it doesn't really work as "raise my kids only" protection, that's for sure I would bet on misogyny tho
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:37 AM
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Sooo, at very least one of the 500 men is a rapist? Eh. Yes, from point of the view of the man who never ever will commit such a crime it's not really a big number. But. Let's say someone works in services. Every day it's like, 25 customers. Let's say half of these customers are men. In two months, it's 500 men. (Plus the unreported cases, minus crimes committed by the same person - let's say the number will stay the same) Thus, this worker is left face to face with a rapist roughly for every tw…
/r/MensRights12/05/24 12:52 AM
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There's a big difference in what should happened and what will happened. Men can brag about how they are males and thus have a right for holding power and cheating, women can run for guys while dumping them for the most insane reasons just for fun and ego boost. Both will hope it won't be matter later in life. Both are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 12:35 PM
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Eh, regarding the term "power", it's still a mess. No, you didn't defined the term "power" in op, you fragmentally pictured it and everyone has to poke in different examples to figure out whether it's suits your definition or not. It's impossible to work with such thing, no philosopher would be able to do it that way. Do it correctly. Define power, especially the one you consider exclusively male. By your understanding, but in a form of the proper term. Like, "Botany is a science of plant life",…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 12:31 AM
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Power manifesting into reality without idea or thought is no human power, leave alone alive power. You doesn't liked the comparison with animals? The thought and idea are things that draw the line between animals and humans. Thus, by your own way of thought, sheer manifestation of power is not our subject. If I am wrong, you are welcome to bring examples. There are also no dysfunctional things that are actually exist if we are talking about sheer nature. Water won't go up in waterfall, snow will…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 06:16 PM
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My latest comment wasn't about gorillas at all. Without thought or idea, there is nothing to manifest into reality. Physical is useless in this case Existence without psychological processing has no meaning for humans, for we are social creatures. If you throw away such things, you'll get something completely out of touch with your main goal. Like, for example, gorilla. Seems like your intelligent lacks power to comprehend that. ...or probably you just really tired.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 05:08 PM
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Why not? You are here to find flaws in your thoughts? Comparative anthropology is a thing. If the main trait for a man is physical power, why apes aren't the better men than any of the actual humans? Especially gorillas. They are also not violent. I will help you here: it's because you actually can't throw away such things as psychological and intellectual power out of equation. You won't be able to define masculinity without them, in fact, you can throw away the physical power, but not psycholo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 04:40 PM
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If physical strength is the main source of power, does it make a silverback gorilla the best man possible? No "psychology" here. Gorillas don't have society (nO primatologists DON'T HURT ME i swear that's for the sake of discussion!) Only biology. Only extreme physical power. They are goddamn "able", and NO HUMAN on Earth can beat a silverback gorilla in hand-to-hand combat. The epitome of masculinity. RIP Harambe 🦍
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 04:12 PM
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Power (Cambridge Dictionary): - is ability to control people and events - the amount of political control a person (...) has in a country No gendered thing here. Power, you see, is one of the most wanted thing for all people, both men and women. They both entitled to that. Saying that power is an inherent trait of masculinity leads either to belittling femininity and further androcentrism (which was, and partially still a thing in culture. To understand why it is a problem, try to imagine saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 03:57 PM
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There are invalid reasons for rejecting a relationship for a person in general. Almost everyone deserves to find their Mr./Ms./Whatever Right. Statements like "no men shorter than 5'11 should procreate" or "no women with a bodycount higher than 3 can be considered a wife material" are hatespeech. But on your own personal level there's no such thing. No one is entitled to a romantical relationship with you, and you can reject people on dating market for any reason you find acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 03:02 PM
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Eh, not exactly. If a person acts shitty instead of just breaking up, it's on shitty person. There are some clear bad choices, but some of the worst case scenarios are not so obvious. Like, imagine telling a guy (let's say an attractive guy, the one who had options) who figured out his wife cheated on him and he has been raising a child who is not his for the last 10 years: "Well, you should've been more picky, no one forced you to choose her, it's on you for associating with her!" While it migh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 02:54 PM
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Nah, it is different. I didn't just"said" it's different, I explained why. It's not the same thing, for in some cases you can give birth AND opt out of parenthood. Surrogacy is a thing, in some states women can give a child away for adoption with no problems. There are precedents where giving birth ≠ establishing a parental duty. Using these cases, btw, you could go to one of the conclusion you mentioned: "both have the opportunity to opt out of parenthood" or "no one actually has a right to opt…
/r/MensRights10/04/24 01:57 PM
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Re-read again my comment. No one can opt out of parenthood, and maybe that should be changed. Everyone can opt out of pregnancy and childbirth, and it should remain so.
/r/MensRights10/04/24 01:24 PM
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An approach no better than "why should I care for men's problem if they are the ones to commit 80% of violent crimes, including the crimes against my kind"
/r/MensRights10/04/24 12:34 PM
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The general amount of people who suffer, and suffer greatly, increases, and it is no good thing. Again, right for abortion is not about "responsibility". It's about bodily autonomy. In my country if a child is born, parental duties cannot be thrown away, both parents have to pay child support, even sometimes if the child was given for adoption. Parental duties have economical nature: if you pay, you are considered an OK parent by the government. While this totally has a room for discrimination, …
/r/MensRights10/04/24 11:57 AM
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...bruh. A woman, lurking here with no commentary normally just to be aware of things I might be ignorant of. Get that you wrote it here to discuss it with someone who might share your feelings, but butthurt is too great to ignore, srry. Gonna get some downvoting here and probably no positive outcome. And maybe a ban on some mentally special subreddits because reading about men's rights is bad, lol A right for abortion is a right for physical integrity. It is NOT about parental rights, for there…
/r/MensRights10/04/24 01:25 AM
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Yeah, aand it resulted in? ...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 02:38 AM
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"6 times more!" is a common interpretation of this article. Need to check the data. Have you, maybe, analyzed the math there? You didn't just immediately catch the counter-argument and took it as 100% truth, right? Even in the correction there is no conclusion that divorce rates are actually equal between both scenarios and our whole research is a lie. It just says there was a mistake in calculations. They didn't pointed out actual percentages. Funny enough, I will hope authors of the refuting a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 02:07 AM
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Being a great husband = pathetic? No sir, we won't come to an agreement here. When you do the right thing and get cheated on, it doesn't make you pathetic or makes everything you ever done wrong. Saying otherwise is, I dunno, some kind of masochistic victimblaming Haven't heard of the news on this study. What's the current data? I'm ready to lose in the argument for good news tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 10:20 PM
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And who is your pathetic, pussy whipped beta finding to cheat with? I was talking about cheating from women' side, not men. Your take was: "No woman can actually rightfully be pissed about her husband's behaviour, because none of them are wifey enough!", right? I disagree , and to show you your fault I just switched the sides. And no, there's no way there are men who are great in marriage, but no such women. Y'know, there is one statistic that always strikes me every time I hear red/black pill t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 10:09 PM
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Have you ever met a man who does everything his wife wants, works, pays all of the bills, taking his chores seriously, is a great father for the kids deeply included in parenting, provides great emotional support, takes everything on his shoulders when wife gets sick, and gives her amazing orgasms every time in bed with no fault ever? Yeah, me neither. Does it means every post about how ungrateful women are makes no sense? Especially if we are talking about such vile thing as cheating? Don't thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 09:41 PM
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I guess because single life for a woman is better than a life with a guy to whom she has no feelings. The hierarchy of possible romantical life outcomes for a lot of women looks like this: 1) Family of Me and My Perfect Prince (whoever that is). 2) Me living my life on my own 3) ...everything else, really Add to this the facts that most women are introverted and it's not common for them to approach men romantically, and, boom. Also, our culture experience a shock - men nowadays have to look actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 08:57 PM
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No thx I would like to keep my value as a witnesser of a crime on the same level as if I would be a man, not the half of it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 07:33 AM
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... because single fathers are mostly parents who actually want to raise a child, and they do have an environment for it. They've challenged the court and won/had a healthy divorce from the start, which is a big deal. Single mother, on other hand, is a default situation. Thus, in the single motherhood statistics we get not only well provided households, but also all of the marginalised/low income/straight up violent scenarios, in which father is always out of the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:22 AM
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...but a good joke none the less, get triggered
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 08:37 PM
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It wouldn't change the truth y'know, you would just find out that all of female mathematicians were right and you just wasted your time to find an additional one
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 08:36 PM
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"Two plus two equals four." - all mathematician s. Does it make the statement incorrect?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 07:41 PM
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This whole theory is build on a hypothesis that exact genes determine exact types of behaviours (like, gene A determine behaviour Alpha, gene B behaviour Beta etc - thus, if we all have gene A, we all are doomed to behave in a way Alpha). Thing is, in reality it is not that simple. In the same gene can be coded a big variety of possible "behaviours". And who knows, maybe variability of behaviours was an exact thing that remained in favour of natural selection? We are, as a humankind, sharing cer…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 07:37 PM
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No one says we need to replace anyone. Have you ever had sex with toy use? Not masturbation, sex. Like, when it goes both ways. When your partner, y'know, interested in your pleasure, ready to go further than a simple handjob and give you an exquisit experience. How it isn't beneficial for "mental"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 06:37 PM
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Solution is simple: to start using sex toys on men as well. Balance shall be restored!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:48 PM
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Oh, it's something modern world incapable to give, no matter how much it wished to: cultural gynocentrism in history. Before you start argue, let me explain what I mean by it. We, women, don't have centuries of philosophical work. There are no female versions of Aristotle, there was no codex of gentlewoman - females weren't actors in history due to lack of physical strength and constant labour of childbearing. If you want to get actually educated, this problem will shine in a very specific chall…
/r/MensRights31/12/23 12:00 AM
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I wasn't talking about accounters. I was talking about scientists, doctors, veterinarians, dolphins trainers and horse-riding teachers, bakers of cool hand-made cakes, artists, writers of books for children. Stuff like that. The problem is, this thing you described is very hard to reach for most people. Or again, impossible. It is not just they don't want that. If you were born in a low-income family, in non-English speaking, developing country or in a family of immigrants, if you have to suppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 12:17 PM
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Sorry, my bad, I mean "chase"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 09:03 AM
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Seems like someone not exactly understands the reason why most women chase careers, even if it's not something that makes you a millionaire at 30. Starting with: becoming a SAHM at early age is really dangerous. Not dangerous "for X", just dangerous. Most of the people don't have rich caring parents to whom they can run if things will go the wrong way. If a woman wants to be secured in regard of financial freedom, she MUST build a career, no matter impressive or not, the one that covers needs of…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 04:08 AM
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Nope, sorry. There are many flaws of feminism or women in general, but this is not one of them. To your example, it's not "Dave's ingredients". Not even close. It's more like "Dave's half of the recipe". Crucial part of the "baking" process, of course, but it is really modest in comparison to "baker"'s contribution. The requirement to give a child a mother's last name is more than justified. Don't like it? Find a woman who don't mind to take your last name. And before you disagree with me, take …
/r/MensRights24/12/23 02:07 PM
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And I have a mixed opinion on this. From one perspective, yes, a husband has a right to know and should be given a chance to change the situation if possible, plus, if his opinion on aborting the pregnancy is the same, he might be of a great support during the whole story. From other point of view, if a woman made the decision and she is sure that nothing on Earth is capable to change her mind, why stress the husband/bf? Children, on other hand... When the couple wants to keep the pregnancy, sur…
/r/MensRights17/12/23 09:32 PM
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A babysitter or daycare costs money. And a lot of it, especially if you want quality. Not to mention your new kid gonna literally have to grow up without you... Not a lot of parents gonna agree on that. Btw, it's funny you don't mention the possibility of a father, the one who is so eager to have another child, staying home. I'd expect that. Anyway, the main streak of the abortion discussion is not the economy, but physiology. Nothing there diproves the fact of the burden of pregnancy. If we wou…
/r/MensRights17/12/23 05:51 PM
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... And, honestly, how it is insane? What's your version, what is happening with pregnant women's abdomen, and for what kind of reason doctors perform episiotomy on women in the process of childbirth?
/r/MensRights17/12/23 04:41 PM
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There is no more fittable description of the process of childbirth than "torture", sorry. Most types of anaesthetics are forbidden in the process of delivery. There is no escape. It's several hours of constant pain. To say that motherhood does not hurt quality of life or the career... Yep. Why would need for constant care of the newborn for several years, and also need to provide for this new child on the sane level as others, would affect the quality of life and career? C'mon. You are or trolli…
/r/MensRights17/12/23 04:30 PM
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That's the reality of the childbirth. Nothing I wrote is false. In fact, I might say, I was even soft on the description. I can add some. Inevitable bloodloss, morning sickness, great damage to the immune system, osteoporosis caused by embryo's intervention into mother's bone structure, risk of gestosis etc. Oh, and microchimerism, the one that implies embryo's cells injection to mother's body! And, of course, the process itself. The stretch of pelvises ligaments, hours of severe pain, "the ring…
/r/MensRights17/12/23 04:13 PM
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Eh, I'm about to get downvote so hard on this, but sorry, your take is too insane So, let's say I'm a wife and a mother of a one kid. Contraceptive failed/my husband was kinda clumsy and I got pregnant. I do not want to keep it. I know that if I'm keeping the pregnancy, my career will be in tatters and the quality of my life will be significantly dropped. And that's aside from the fact I am f*cking terrified of perspective to go through sickness of pregnancy and torture of birth, kinda were ther…
/r/MensRights17/12/23 08:25 AM
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> make a point where people deserve respect only if they do "male" jobs > devaluing any kind of traditional female contribution to society > OHHHHH, why are the birthrates dropping?! Why do those stupid females choose careers over children? Why can't I find a traditional woman? FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU If being serious, animal's births and human's births are NOT the same. The whole sapiency of the human race is built on women's sacrifice; we have one of the most dangerous and tormenting pregnancies an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:49 PM
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This even sounds f*cking good. A day in an apron means good meals; crying means a good level of oxytocine - and thus, great care for children; lifting a leg up is just adorable - as long as he will be accepting those features in himself. Add here the fact that he's hot, skinny and short for me being able to lift him up on my shoulders to a wall while giving him a blowjob, and I'm sold.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:24 PM
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Yep, there are such things as well. It is not a one-way problem when it comes to relationships with "true" subs, they have their own pack of issues. If you're taking the leading role, you need to be ready to make the approach - maybe even be ready to move outside your country for your beloved, - provide for the family, be able to resist the "vanilla" code - and above all, to understand that such basic things as self-reflection, genuine respect and empathy to your partner are even more crutial in…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:13 PM
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Men have no problem dating women who are submissive and inferior to them in almost every way. Women would rather die alone than do the same. And if men are mislead about this they'll waste their time trying to appeal to women in ineffective ways. The problem with "inferior" men is that they are almost never truly submissive. If they lack spine, the bare moment they will be given a chance to go up to the position of a "head of the family" with another woman they will dump you, being "grateful for…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 06:45 AM
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...One day, I will establish a strong matriarchal family by finding myself three or four submissive husbands. It will be my duty to let each and every of them continue their heritage in me; and thus, I will bring a child to each of them. To make sure these children are theirs, genetic tests will be required. I'm gonna present its results in a solemn atmosphere, in a decorated frame, like a diploma or something. I can make a party out of a firstborn's father revial, just like the ones they do wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:19 PM
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Yep, gonna be difficult to differentiate who or what is seen as a tool work there
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:40 PM
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Oh, that is great, then you do understand what I am talking about. Especially when it comes to comparison between vanilla and femdom approach. A wish for your partner to feel safe and delighted, search for "right" things to work on, keeping in mind all of the tabooes, prepare for aftercare... Can you be sure none of your "tool use" parts of the brain ever got used in the process?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:29 PM
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Good questions, alas again, not for me to answer. Social studies isn't exactly my field. I can figure something out of neuron activation, but that's it. My bet: even sexuality is not that different between men and women, and there is nothing to be worried about, at least in the case of biology. The only significant differences I know are attraction (men get attracted more easily) and post-coital reactions (male vasopressin VS female oxytocin). In the case of "its", I can only try to figure somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:02 PM
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...because the target participants in the experiment were heterosexual men, who are attracted to women? Like, for them, all of the humans they want a mutual (romantic, sexual) connection with are women. If my hypothesis is correct, if the participants in the study were gay men, with sexualised pictures of male bodies, their brains would work the same way. Alas, I'm not a social science researcher to give you a full review.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:39 PM
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You know, I have a strong sense that the "tool use" part of the brain there isn't going for "well, that's an object"; but for "how am I gonna make it work?". To get good things in sex, you need to think, and think a lot: like, where are the most sensitive parts? Where my touch is gonna be pleasant for a partner? How to avoid harm? What is the best positioning? Also, you have to think about your own pleasure... Men tend to take the leading role in sexual act, so, they have to process it all. More…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:04 PM
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Statistically speaking, the male lover (husband, boyfriend etc) is the most dangerous person for a woman. In most of the criminal cases including a woman who was assaulted/killed, the crime was commited by a man who wasn't a stranger to her. A single woman is risking far less. Don't get me wrong: I'm not one of the those who "gave up" on men, or don't "need" men (even if it is so, I guess, the "don't need men" approach is not exactly the most ethically correct way to say this, considering how ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:59 AM
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