BarneyBent Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
0	Men being friends with women	Red Pill Theory	BarneyBent	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 07:45 AM

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3	TIL in 1968 a feminist wrote a public manifesto proposing that "all men must be exterminated". Then she shot several times Andy Warhol almost killing him. She was freed after only 3 years and continued to stalk and threaten Andy Warhol. Feminist organizations praise her even today Ti-Grace Atkinson lost her position as head of NOW and was rejected from the organisation because of her support for Solanas. The other points are what I'm talking about previously. She's recognised as an important figure in the history and development of feminism. A particularly angry and unhinged one, but one that enabled more moderate voices to pick through the relevant concepts she touches upon. It's like a paranoid schizophrenic version of Malcolm X, to the others' Martin Luther King Jnr. N…	/r/MensRights	10/03/17 09:20 PM
39	TIL in 1968 a feminist wrote a public manifesto proposing that "all men must be exterminated". Then she shot several times Andy Warhol almost killing him. She was freed after only 3 years and continued to stalk and threaten Andy Warhol. Feminist organizations praise her even today You realise that most feminists do reject her, right? She was disowned by the NOW, she's an incredibly controversial figure and your average feminist doesn't know who she is, and those that do generally reject absolutely her actions. Some use her mental illness as an excuse, but that's shitty for a number of reasons. That some feminists tried to claw out some spotlight for themselves by offering (qualified) support for her actions is a reflection on those people, not on feminists in general. To …	/r/MensRights	10/03/17 08:58 AM
0	People are outraged over the public shaming of Mackay dad, Damien Leeson, who was called “disgusting” for taking his seven-week-old baby into a parents’ room at Mackay’s Caneland Central on Sunday. What do you think the "everyday" part of "everyday sexism" means?	/r/MensRights	14/02/17 01:29 AM
-12	People are outraged over the public shaming of Mackay dad, Damien Leeson, who was called “disgusting” for taking his seven-week-old baby into a parents’ room at Mackay’s Caneland Central on Sunday. Come on, one person makes a terrible comment, entire community condemns it and supports the man, and this is evidence of systemic misandry?	/r/MensRights	13/02/17 07:20 AM
20	My letter to my future daughter who will never be born. Believe it or not, most people have more in their lives than acronyms.	/r/MGTOW	19/12/16 09:35 PM
1	How to get banned from r/Feminism I'm an ardent feminist and had the same. Some of the moderators are just ban-happy control freaks who take their shitty moods/lives out on anybody who dares disagree (in my case not even that).	/r/MensRights	18/12/16 10:04 PM
2	Feminist Claims All Men that Think About Having Sex Should Be Jailed Are you sure it was unironic? I'm a feminist. I would say at least 90% of my friends, male and female, identify as feminist. Not a single one has ever said or otherwise expressed anything like this. The only time I ever see rhetoric like this user's is in satire or trolls.	/r/MensRights	09/11/15 09:06 AM
1	Porn produced by men is bad, porn produced by woman is good! Honestly, I reckon if a guy was producing this it would be an even bigger deal, since it would be so contrary to mainstream expectations.	/r/MensRights	09/11/15 08:56 AM
0	Feminist research fellow: Put all men 'in some kind of camp' Yeah, she's a piece of work. Trans-exclusive, sex-negative as well. As a feminist myself, she does not represent me, and is frankly (thankfully) a dying breed.	/r/MensRights	13/09/15 11:06 PM
-3	Woman given 'strong words of advice' after false rape claim - but will not be charged - Gazette Live Keep in mind, there's a difficult balance at play here. You don't want women who make false claims, or even good faith claims who later realise they were wrong/misguided/whatever, to feel like they can't back out without going to jail, so instead see the case through to the end. You need to dissuade false accusations, but you can't dissuade recanting. In this example, the guy was arrested, then released, nothing more. Without further details you can't really judge, but if she said, "wait, no, it…	/r/MensRights	10/09/15 12:22 AM
1	Feminist Karen DeCrow on Male Reproductive Rights In the comment you first replied to, I mentioned the example of the boy paying child support to his rapist as ridiculous, and added that the rapist should not have custody of the child. I would have thought it was clear that logic applied to all males (child or adult) who were raped.	/r/MensRights	26/08/15 09:33 AM
2	Feminist Karen DeCrow on Male Reproductive Rights Did you not read the part of my post where I state that a woman who conceived a child through rape should not have custody of the child? Seriously? I literally said that. In other cases, in fact the vast, vast majority, the man has accidentally impregnated a woman while having consensual sex, and my argument applies.	/r/MensRights	26/08/15 09:16 AM
4	Feminist Karen DeCrow on Male Reproductive Rights I was not talking about the child raped by the 35 year old woman and paying child support. Such a scenario is ridiculous and should never, ever happen. The woman should not have custody of the child in the first place, and no element of blame would be placed on the child. This also goes for men who were raped.	/r/MensRights	26/08/15 08:11 AM
-1	Feminist Karen DeCrow on Male Reproductive Rights 1st point: irrelevant. Are you suggesting women who carry a child to term but can't afford it should have the child forcibly taken and put up for adoption? This would be incredibly expensive and difficult to enforce, and set an horrific precedent. It would get ugly very, very, VERY fast. 2nd point. Rubbish. There are people in society who can afford to pay the taxes necessary to support such a system. And it's in their interests to do so, since children growing up in poverty hurts the economy ov…	/r/MensRights	26/08/15 04:23 AM
-1	Feminist Karen DeCrow on Male Reproductive Rights So you're tarring the whole of feminism with a single brush based on two feminists saying it's not feasible/a priority? Edit: that's not to say it's a core feminist issue by any stretch. But feminism certainly doesn't (broadly speaking, I'm sure there are one or two nutjobs who call themselves feminists who do) OPPOSE male control over their parental status (I mean, condoms and vasectomies aren't demonised by feminism, again perhaps excluding one or two nutjobs).	/r/MensRights	26/08/15 03:38 AM
1	Feminist Karen DeCrow on Male Reproductive Rights Actually, most feminists do think that in an ideal world, men would be able to surrender parental rights. The issue is that can leave the child without sufficient support. It's a prioritisation of the child's rights over the adult father's. If, however, the child and mother could qualify for benefits from a well-funded welfare system, then there would be no problem with the father surrendering parental rights. Feminists (at least the vast, vast majority) certainly doesn't oppose it on an ideolog…	/r/MensRights	26/08/15 02:08 AM
-5	Emma Watson Accuses Fashion World Of 'Racism' & 'Sexism' against Women when they make 148.8% more than Men in the Modeling Industry Yeah, yeah. If you look through my post history I actually spend a lot of time explaining feminist perspectives on men's rights issues, when I feel I might actually make some progress, when it's talking points that most of the men's rights movement hasn't been so fundamentally poisoned against. But this issue has been covered extensively in the past with no success, so I just don't see what trying again will achieve. Plus I'm kinda in the middle of a different argument. But I understand your cyn…	/r/MensRights	11/08/15 08:52 AM
-7	Emma Watson Accuses Fashion World Of 'Racism' & 'Sexism' against Women when they make 148.8% more than Men in the Modeling Industry Umm, the standards that fashion models have to adhere to are NOT healthy. They are extremely underweight. And yes, it's "because reasons". Reasons which are complicated. Reasons which I've taken the time to explain in the past, in various places. Reasons which, if you've no interest in actually having your mind changed, will go in one ear and out the other and change dick all about your beliefs.	/r/MensRights	11/08/15 08:11 AM
-12	Emma Watson Accuses Fashion World Of 'Racism' & 'Sexism' against Women when they make 148.8% more than Men in the Modeling Industry Pay difference is down to demand. It's other stuff she's talking about, the way that there is still a big tendency to objectify women in the industry, hold them to ridiculous physical standards (men too, and she does mention us, but I'd argue the idealised male body is much healthier and more natural than that of women, with more room for variation), and there's also just the fact that, for such a female-dominated industry, there's STILL a fair bit of sexism against women on a cultural level, so…	/r/MensRights	11/08/15 04:39 AM
5	6 Male Strippers On What Really Happens At ‘Hen Parties’ (NSFW) - #YesAllWomen Absolutely. You're kidding yourself if you think this is something unique to women though. Men have been groping strippers and other sex workers without their consent since sex work was a thing (only very recently has it become unacceptable), and cheating on your buck's night has been a cultural meme for long enough that it's now the best man's "job" to make sure it doesn't happen. Equally sexually raucous hen's nights have been a very recent thing, and the rules, the standards, the expectations…	/r/MensRights	09/08/15 10:30 PM
7	6 Male Strippers On What Really Happens At ‘Hen Parties’ (NSFW) - #YesAllWomen Less "woke up bloody in the street" and more "locked up", but yeah, I agree. But it took a long, loooooong time for female strippers to get that sort of protection. It's not hard to see why male strippers haven't "caught up", so to speak. But it needs to happen, and articles like this are good exposure for the issue. Needs to come from the strippers themselves though, if they think they make more money or have more fun with the rules as they are, well... not much can be done.	/r/MensRights	09/08/15 01:41 PM
47	6 Male Strippers On What Really Happens At ‘Hen Parties’ (NSFW) - #YesAllWomen Pretty easy to imagine how something like this comes about. There's a long history of female strippers, male customers, and as such there are rules, etiquette, expectations deeply ingrained. As guys, we KNOW not to just assume we can touch, sexually or otherwise, female strippers. Male strippers, female customers, has a far less substantial history and culture. Women don't tend to know what's appropriate and what's not, so they just go all out. Throw in the "all men want sex all the time" bullsh…	/r/MensRights	09/08/15 01:08 PM
-4	What we are all aiming for (X-post from TrollXChromosomes) Your ex-wife is a horrible person because she's a maniac, not because she's a feminist. How much time do you spend on Tumblr? Where do you see these comments? I'm gonna take a stab and say it's mostly screenshots upvoted here, or on TiA, or cringepics, etc. Judging feminists (Tumblr or otherwise) based on that would be like judging reddit based on the stuff that makes it to ShitRedditSays; it's almost always either a joke (perhaps in poor taste, but still a joke), taken way out of context, or th…	/r/MensRights	07/08/15 02:50 AM
-3	What we are all aiming for (X-post from TrollXChromosomes) Dude. I know feminists are fallible. Trust me. And maybe "all" was a touch sweeping. How about "almost all", is that better? Keeping in mind I was talking about the arguments against feminism on this sub, not all criticisms in general. Every time I come here, I just cannot reconcile the image you guys have of feminism with my own experiences... and I know some pretty radical feminists!	/r/MensRights	07/08/15 01:49 AM
-5	What we are all aiming for (X-post from TrollXChromosomes) Mostly because MRAs spend so much time denying the necessity of feminism. There have been attempts to develop cohesive movements for men's issues that are compatible with feminism, a recent, minor example on reddit is the start of the r/menslib subreddit, but this has dated all the way back to the start of 2nd wave feminism. But most formal attempts have tended to attract anti-feminists, which is why it's been so difficult. I'm a man, and a feminist, and I'd love for there to be a men's rights m…	/r/MensRights	07/08/15 01:20 AM
-4	Feminists doxx Sargon of Akkad, now harassing his wife Do you really think the majority of feminists hate trans people?	/r/MensRights	06/08/15 03:09 AM
-3	Feminists doxx Sargon of Akkad, now harassing his wife This is so incredibly wrong. Where do you get these ideas? TERFs exist, and they're shitty. They're also a minority. Modern feminism is extremely open to trans men and women, and have been one of the single strongest proponents for trans rights.	/r/MensRights	06/08/15 01:23 AM
-2	The Guardian continues to infantalize women: "There can be no amnesty for those who buy sex – not even if women ‘consent' " As a feminist, I'm all for legalisation. The only really salient point in that article is that a lot of the sex-workers speaking up in favour of legalisation are privileged white women; many who are considerably less empowered than they are truly are forced into the industry against their will, even when things appear to be above board. That's something to be kept in mind when enacting legalisation policies. It's an industry that will require very heavy regulation. I do understand people being c…	/r/MensRights	02/08/15 03:51 PM
3	Women more Violent and Controlling than Men: Various Studies find Sure, but what percentage of those IPV stats do you think that makes up? Answer is, we don't know, because this article is shit.	/r/MensRights	29/07/15 03:18 AM
3	Women more Violent and Controlling than Men: Various Studies find Women tend to be smaller and weaker. I thought that was obvious.	/r/MensRights	29/07/15 01:06 AM
25	Women more Violent and Controlling than Men: Various Studies find Without reading the study itself, if they're looking at that graph at the top and coming to the conclusion that women are more likely to be perpetrators, then that's not very sound. They only show the gender breakdown for non-reciprocal IPV, and it should be no surprise that in that category, women dominate. Men rarely retaliate against women, the two likely reasons being fear of being branded a spouse abuser, and that violence inflicted by women tends to be less severe, with less impetus for re…	/r/MensRights	28/07/15 03:12 PM
1	I hate that I love to grill It's pretty clear he's being tongue in cheek in the first bit. He doesn't ACTUALLY feel ashamed of grilling. That would be like a feminist woman being ashamed of enjoying baking. That shit doesn't have a place in modern feminism. The article takes a more serious turn when actually lokKing at the history and context of men and grills, but you are not supposed to leave this article thinking men should be ashamed of grilling. He was poking fun at himself.	/r/MensRights	24/07/15 02:52 AM
-14	Feminists go bonkers over Minions being boys I'm a guy. A guy who happens to be unemployed right now, by the way. Not super long-term, my prospects are relatively good, but still, I'm totally struggling with the shame of not being able to support myself (ok, I've got savings, but how long will that last?). I get it. But that's a social pressure that gives us, as men, financial power. Also, being exclusively a stay-at-home parent can get really, really fucking depressing. Especially once the kids are grown and you've got literally nothing e…	/r/MensRights	20/07/15 02:33 AM
-18	Feminists go bonkers over Minions being boys They aren't literally forced to, but there are huge social pressures, especially once children become involved, and even in simply planning for kids. Expectations of what it means to be a "good mother", bosses hesitating to hire or promote because they're worried they'll "just get pregnant and leave", and so on. Workplaces can really be quite hostile to women, particularly when married with children, and it forces a lot of them out. It's not really visible to most men, because like most things, …	/r/MensRights	20/07/15 02:15 AM
-24	Feminists go bonkers over Minions being boys What do you think complaints about the wage gap are about? Feminists want women to stop being pressured into giving up their careers when they marry. Alimony exists because that's what happens, leading to women being financially dependant. Fix the wage gap, then there'll be no need for alimony.	/r/MensRights	20/07/15 01:59 AM
39	Woman bartender refuses to serve male patron because of what he's wearing and/or beliefs. So can he sue for $135,000 like the gay couple did because the baker refused to bake them a cake or...? Not a protected class (neither is feminism), so unlikely.	/r/MensRights	18/07/15 01:34 AM
-2	For 29 out of 83 countries (~35%) where homosexuality is illegal, it's illegal only for men. There are no countries where only lesbianism is illegal. I fundamentally disagree that there is ANY perception with any significant school of feminism that perceives men as "stealing the female identity". Certainly not amongst intersectional feminists (the vast majority these days). To even think that shows you have a severe misunderstanding of contemporary feminist approaches to sexuality and gender identity. Gay men are arguably one of the best embodiments of the contemporary feminist cause, taking and shedding various elements of masculinity as it …	/r/MensRights	16/07/15 05:18 PM
-1	For 29 out of 83 countries (~35%) where homosexuality is illegal, it's illegal only for men. There are no countries where only lesbianism is illegal. Sorry, but this screams "No True Scotsman". No true feminist would be inclusive! Right? Even though inclusivity is exactly how intersectional feminism defines itself. By all means, criticise feminism on real issues, but to deny the work feminism has done for LGBT rights is disingenuous at best.	/r/MensRights	16/07/15 05:02 PM
-4	For 29 out of 83 countries (~35%) where homosexuality is illegal, it's illegal only for men. There are no countries where only lesbianism is illegal. How does that factor into feminism being the single most powerful force for LGBT rights?	/r/MensRights	16/07/15 04:12 PM
17	For 29 out of 83 countries (~35%) where homosexuality is illegal, it's illegal only for men. There are no countries where only lesbianism is illegal. Would say it's partially an aversion to anal sex, partially a general denial of female sexuality (two women having sex without men? That doesn't make sense, women don't like sex!), partially a greater willingness to punish men for breaking gender roles.	/r/MensRights	16/07/15 03:55 PM
-6	Debunking the wage gap in 30 seconds Feminist (male) here! As has been explained many times over, this completely misses the point. It's not about women being serially underpaid for equal work. It's about women not having the same financial independence as men, due to expectations that men are breadwinners, women are nurturers (and therefore working fewer hours, less pay). It is argued that this is not a healthy state for society to be in, and ought to be changed, as it's very easy for a woman to become financially dependent on a m…	/r/MensRights	15/07/15 05:49 AM
5	Sickening lack of compassion by the media for a young man who flew overseas to find love, was rejected, and nearly ended up dead in his grief. "...found unconscious and suffering from hypothermia after falling into the Xu River — presumably to find other fish." Sorry, I actually misread the post, I thought it was being sympathetic to the girl in the actual story, not a gender reversal. In my defense, I was drunk and it was 4am in my part of the world.	/r/MensRights	10/07/15 01:09 AM
-18	Sickening lack of compassion by the media for a young man who flew overseas to find love, was rejected, and nearly ended up dead in his grief. "...found unconscious and suffering from hypothermia after falling into the Xu River — presumably to find other fish." Yeah, making totally unrealistic stuff up as an attempt at satire does far more damage than good.	/r/MensRights	09/07/15 06:12 PM
-8	Australian state to introduce "guilty until proven innocent" definition of consent in rape cases: "an offender must prove that if they believed a victim was consenting, that belief was not unreasonable". So if you are accused, you are already an offender! "Not unreasonable" isn't exactly a high standard of proof. It seems like this is just an attempt to prevent people saying "I honestly thought she consented, Your Honour" when that's clearly not the case.	/r/MensRights	29/06/15 03:27 PM
3	Suicide rate of female military veterans is called 'staggering' Guys, it was talking about the difference between the military and civilian figures, which for women is much greater than men.	/r/MensRights	09/06/15 12:34 AM
-12	Cyclist removed from nude race after 'getting an erection' I don't have extensive experience with nude events, but from what I've heard this would be EXTREMELY unusual, if it indeed happened as described. I would be surprised if he wasn't also "showing it off" and making people uncomfortable. Like, a simple election is part and parcel of nude events, there has to be more to this story.	/r/MensRights	04/06/15 02:14 PM
-2	Made an image for you guys, use it as much as you want It didn't drive the point home well because the point isn't a very strong one. Believe it or not, "male on male" violence is a recognised issue amongst feminists. What do you think "toxic masculinity" refers to? It's not "men are toxic", it's "cultural expectations of men are toxic". The whole "might is right", "be a man", "boys don't cry" bullshit that perpetuates anger and violence.	/r/MensRights	01/06/15 08:29 AM
-5	ISIS kills EVERY male over the age of 14. But the REAL problem is that they also rape some women sometimes! Article devotes half of a sentence for the male victims of ISIS. But I don't disagree with any of the assertions you've cited. I disagree with YOUR assertion that these feminists are in any way suggesting it's as bad as what we see in the IS. Women dying is bad, and it is partially as a result of a culture in which men are perceived to have/deserve power over women. We should recognise it. It is bad. That is the feminist position. The feminist position is NOT that it is as bad as what we see in IS. Just TRY to provide a source from a reputable feminist that s…	/r/MensRights	28/05/15 11:08 AM
-3	ISIS kills EVERY male over the age of 14. But the REAL problem is that they also rape some women sometimes! Article devotes half of a sentence for the male victims of ISIS. How the fuck does any of that compare to the literal, wide-scale enslavement, rape and murder of women? You keep pointing out these things, which I agree happen, but that's nowhere near IS. Nowhere. And she's not claiming it is. She's saying there's a pattern. She's saying it's a problem. She's not saying it's IS-level.	/r/MensRights	28/05/15 10:27 AM
-4	ISIS kills EVERY male over the age of 14. But the REAL problem is that they also rape some women sometimes! Article devotes half of a sentence for the male victims of ISIS. Yes, they are related. The point is, there isn't a feminist alive that would claim women in western society are treated anywhere nearly as bad as women in the Islamic State, which is what was implied by the original post I responded to. In western society, we have made huge strides forward in the way we think about and treat women. We are at one point on the scale, IS is way, way further back. But yes, it's the same scale. The same bullshit notions about femininity, female sexual agency, the dif…	/r/MensRights	28/05/15 09:33 AM
-6	ISIS kills EVERY male over the age of 14. But the REAL problem is that they also rape some women sometimes! Article devotes half of a sentence for the male victims of ISIS. "Rape culture" does not imply Islamic State-style capturing, raping and selling of women. Granted, that is an extraordinarily extreme example. But in a western context, rape culture refers to our tendency to ignore female sexual agency in favour of male sexual agency. Which, by the way, is exactly why female-on-male rape tends to be overlooked... because we always assume men are the agents, with women playing the passive role! It's an affirmation of masculinity to get laid, whereas it's an affir…	/r/MensRights	28/05/15 09:01 AM
-11	ISIS kills EVERY male over the age of 14. But the REAL problem is that they also rape some women sometimes! Article devotes half of a sentence for the male victims of ISIS. Actually, it's 1/5 max, and that figure is accepted as pertaining to sexual assault, not rape (there has been some confusion over the issue in the past, I agree).	/r/MensRights	28/05/15 03:41 AM
-31	ISIS kills EVERY male over the age of 14. But the REAL problem is that they also rape some women sometimes! Article devotes half of a sentence for the male victims of ISIS. That's actually not at all what patriarchy means. I mean, yes, IS is patriarchal, obviously, but way more so than feminists suggest Western society is, and also significantly more destructively so. Patriarchy just refers to a culture in which we expect men to be powerful and women to be submissive. This can be realised in a variety of different ways, and also result in things like men being shamed for their failures (e.g. unable to financially support their children), because they aren't living …	/r/MensRights	28/05/15 01:37 AM
45	ARMY SUED OVER PLAN TO PUT WOMEN ON FRONT LINES OF COMBAT Would face 'brutal and violent death, injury, horror and fear' That's a horribly misleading headline. It's an FOI lawsuit, filed by people concerned that standards may be dropped in order to accommodate women on the front line.	/r/MensRights	05/04/15 02:24 AM
6	Studies show that "in households where the husband earns more money, both spouses share in the financial decision making. But in marriages where the wife brings home a bigger paycheck, the woman is twice as likely as her husband to make all the financial decisions." So, just looking at those stats, "financial decisions" seems pretty broadly defined. When it comes to paying bills, 62% of women who earn more money pay bills compared to 43% who earn less money. But when deciding on purchases and investment (arguably far more important elements of financial decision-making) you have 26% to 19% and 44% to 27% respectively. All this study seems to confirm is that the person who earns more money takes more responsibility for financial decisions than if they earned…	/r/MensRights	04/04/15 01:01 AM
1	Two Teens Have Sex. Neither Could Legally Consent, But Only the Boy Gets a Felony Charge. It's reported that he initiated and pressured her. Whether that should be relevant or not is another matter, but the disparity isn't TOTALLY arbitrary.	/r/MensRights	11/03/15 01:25 AM
0	"Men cannot be raped". A story about 9 yo boy raped by his 13 yo cousin. She killed herself a few years after, he feels personally responsible for her suicide. "Men cannot be raped" is literally in the title of this post. Also, 13 is an age that sits right on that borderline. I would say there's an experimental aspect to it, but I'd say it of a 13 year old boy too. That doesn't make the actions any less wrong, nor damaging to the victim, just gives it some context. It is quite a lot different from a 17 year old doing the same to a 13 year old.	/r/MensRights	05/03/15 03:38 AM
0	"Men cannot be raped". A story about 9 yo boy raped by his 13 yo cousin. She killed herself a few years after, he feels personally responsible for her suicide. I don't see many people defending her actions. At least none with any significant amount of upvotes. There ARE a lot suggesting she was abused herself, which is likely, and also sad, and is an indication of just how fucked up everyone in the thread thinks it is. Were it a 13 year old boy raping his 9 year old girl, there would probably be a bit more outrage, true, but people would also talk about how he was likely abused as well. I don't see anybody suggesting "boys cannot be raped" though.	/r/MensRights	05/03/15 02:50 AM
1	'She has no right to be supported for life': Judge tells ex-wife of millionaire racehorse vet to get a job in landmark divorce case. Wow. Your username is surprisingly accurate.	/r/MensRights	24/02/15 01:23 AM
1	'She has no right to be supported for life': Judge tells ex-wife of millionaire racehorse vet to get a job in landmark divorce case. Lol, what? Source for that? Source for any of that? Most feminists are egalitarians. They aren't mutually exclusive. Feminism isn't constrained to promoting women and women's issues to the exclusion of all others. It's the recognition that systemic inequality is the result of cultural gender expectations and biases which are at best an exaggeration of natural tendencies and at worst a complete fabrication. Women's liberation obviously ties into this dramatically. However, the issues men face are…	/r/MensRights	24/02/15 01:01 AM
2	'She has no right to be supported for life': Judge tells ex-wife of millionaire racehorse vet to get a job in landmark divorce case. I promise you, I'm a feminist. I promise you, the perception of what feminism is in this ridiculous echo-chamber is drastically wrong.	/r/MensRights	24/02/15 12:11 AM
0	'She has no right to be supported for life': Judge tells ex-wife of millionaire racehorse vet to get a job in landmark divorce case. I'm a feminist. I think it's a good thing.	/r/MensRights	23/02/15 09:37 PM
1	TIL that if a 35 year old woman has sex with a 14 year old boy and gets pregnant, he despite being a minor will have to pay her child support. Start 3:42 I haven't heard anybody seriously argue that in years.	/r/MensRights	11/02/15 01:50 AM
2	A new ad campaign paints heart disease as a women's issue. Men die of it at about 1.5x the rate women do Misleading stat aside, heart disease has been traditionally thought of as a men's disease, as is appropriate. In the media, it's always men dying from heart attacks, etc. As such, female heart disease has tended to fly under the radar. Nothing wrong with trying to remedy that.	/r/MensRights	08/02/15 09:26 PM
-4	Dad by default: Man could face jail time for not paying child support for boy that isn’t his. Has DNA evidence, airtight alibi, government malfeasance, and admission by the woman of deliberately defrauding the state. State still wants 30K from him or else. Same song different tune. I've never suggested I'm ok with this. All I suggested is thatt a major problem is that, from the perspective of the state, so long as somebody is paying for the child then there isn't a problem. They don't give a shit about the mother, or the non-father, this isn't a men versus women issue, they just don't want another delinquent growing up. That's not OK, it just makes it a very different problem from what most other people here seem to think it is. I absolutely agree, responsibility needs to …	/r/MensRights	31/01/15 01:44 PM
-4	Dad by default: Man could face jail time for not paying child support for boy that isn’t his. Has DNA evidence, airtight alibi, government malfeasance, and admission by the woman of deliberately defrauding the state. State still wants 30K from him or else. Same song different tune. No, I don't think the situation is ok. Why is everybody saying that? Are you actually reading what I'm saying? I'm saying the situation sucks, and we need a solution. Now. No waiting. No mean time. Now. It's just that achieving that solution requires recognising that the problem is a result of the needs of a child being put over the rights of the non-father, rather than it being a women versus men issue. And that changes the approach drastically.	/r/MensRights	31/01/15 01:31 PM
-7	Dad by default: Man could face jail time for not paying child support for boy that isn’t his. Has DNA evidence, airtight alibi, government malfeasance, and admission by the woman of deliberately defrauding the state. State still wants 30K from him or else. Same song different tune. "You're giving the impression" obviously means I'm giving that impression to you. I'm saying it's fucking stupid you think that's the impression I'm giving. I'm saying that you're only getting that impression because you see one person questioning one of your assumptions and automatically assume that I must be totally in favour of taking money from men who had nothing to do with the child's existence. It's this black and white thinking that drives me absolutely crazy, and is a large reason why t…	/r/MensRights	31/01/15 01:06 PM
-6	Dad by default: Man could face jail time for not paying child support for boy that isn’t his. Has DNA evidence, airtight alibi, government malfeasance, and admission by the woman of deliberately defrauding the state. State still wants 30K from him or else. Same song different tune. I'm not advocating that at all! Where does it say I advocate that? I'm just pointing out the problem is more complicated than punishing a man and rewarding a woman for the woman's poor choices and/or dishonesty, and as such, requires a more complex solution than anybody here seems to think.	/r/MensRights	31/01/15 12:56 PM
-11	Dad by default: Man could face jail time for not paying child support for boy that isn’t his. Has DNA evidence, airtight alibi, government malfeasance, and admission by the woman of deliberately defrauding the state. State still wants 30K from him or else. Same song different tune. And have the child raised in poverty? More likely to turn to crime? Less likely to contribute to the economy? It is in the long-term interest of society to give these children (who aren't to blame for the circumstances of their birth) the best chance of developing into productive members of society. Not all children of single parents turn to crime, of course. I was one such child, and my mum is quite an extraordinary woman who worked her arse off, is intelligent, and was lucky enough to have me …	/r/MensRights	31/01/15 12:24 PM
-8	Dad by default: Man could face jail time for not paying child support for boy that isn’t his. Has DNA evidence, airtight alibi, government malfeasance, and admission by the woman of deliberately defrauding the state. State still wants 30K from him or else. Same song different tune. No, you see a person who doesn't see this as a systematic attack on all men and masculinity, but a sadly all-too-common case of legislative laziness, and because I don't agree 100% with the echo chamber here, you assume I must approve. I don't. I just think the issue is far more complicated than most people on this subreddit like to believe. But of course, there's a huge conservative/neo-liberal streak running through this subreddit, so maybe the idea of taxpayer-funded social support for single…	/r/MensRights	31/01/15 12:13 PM
-5	Dad by default: Man could face jail time for not paying child support for boy that isn’t his. Has DNA evidence, airtight alibi, government malfeasance, and admission by the woman of deliberately defrauding the state. State still wants 30K from him or else. Same song different tune. Where the hell are you getting that? Where have I said it's good? All I've said is that somebody needs to pay, ideally that's a burden that should be carried by a well funded public childcare service of some description, but it's not, and in the absence of that, the state has a tendency to pick a likely candidate for child support and go with that. Because it's easy. And simple. And lazy. That does not mean it's not terrible. It's a very bad system. But it's important to realize it's not about g…	/r/MensRights	31/01/15 11:55 AM
-14	Dad by default: Man could face jail time for not paying child support for boy that isn’t his. Has DNA evidence, airtight alibi, government malfeasance, and admission by the woman of deliberately defrauding the state. State still wants 30K from him or else. Same song different tune. Of course it's a blatant lie. But it's not a result of malice. It's a difficult situation made harder by a reluctance to offer adequate social services for single parents. Ultimately, somebody has to pay for the child. Ideally, it would be a load carried by the community. At present, it's not. So, what's to be done? It's not fair. It's not right. The system needs to change, drastically. But it's not malice, or even a lack of empathy. It's just seen as too difficult to change by legislators who a…	/r/MensRights	31/01/15 11:44 AM
-2	Dad by default: Man could face jail time for not paying child support for boy that isn’t his. Has DNA evidence, airtight alibi, government malfeasance, and admission by the woman of deliberately defrauding the state. State still wants 30K from him or else. Same song different tune. I agree completely. But that requires effort. And taxes. And "socialism".	/r/MensRights	31/01/15 11:33 AM
-21	Dad by default: Man could face jail time for not paying child support for boy that isn’t his. Has DNA evidence, airtight alibi, government malfeasance, and admission by the woman of deliberately defrauding the state. State still wants 30K from him or else. Same song different tune. I never said the ends justify the means. I'm saying that it's important to know the true rationale if you're actually going to change it. Orphaned kids? Depending on where you live, they may receive other forms of support, but in the end, that situation is difficult. Situation like this? It's not a big leap for the state to say "don't care, pay up". It's not right, it's just laziness, because what they want is to make sure somebody pays for the kid, preferably not them. And it's much easier to g…	/r/MensRights	31/01/15 10:54 AM
-63	Dad by default: Man could face jail time for not paying child support for boy that isn’t his. Has DNA evidence, airtight alibi, government malfeasance, and admission by the woman of deliberately defrauding the state. State still wants 30K from him or else. Same song different tune. One thing you have to remember is that this money isn't for the mother, it's for the child. That doesn't make it any easier for the "father", of course. But to the state, it's a matter of making sure SOMEBODY supports the child. Greater good, etc. Problem won't be solved until there's a decent safety net for low income single parents, at which point the government can safely tell people who defraud them to fuck off without worrying they're leaving a child destitute.	/r/MensRights	31/01/15 10:19 AM
5	Men rate women's beauty on a bell curve - deemed "abnormal"; Women rate most men as "unattractive", article says it's because "looks... matter far less to women than to men" Knowing how a rating scale works and actually responding in accordance are two very different things. To me, this study says two things: one, perceptions of male physical attractiveness are unfairly influences by their social standing; and two, men are worse at taking photos of themselves than women, thereby dropping their median quality photo significantly below the actual, real life average that women are basing their ratings on. At least, those seem to be the most obvious conclusions.	/r/MensRights	30/01/15 12:09 PM
1	A couple divorce in 1992, the wife has 2 children with another man. The first husband is poor and lives in a van for 3 years. In 1995 he starts a wind turbine business and it ends up worth £57 million Because she never made any claim previously, and they had a child together, so it adds up.	/r/MensRights	09/12/14 11:48 AM
-1	A couple divorce in 1992, the wife has 2 children with another man. The first husband is poor and lives in a van for 3 years. In 1995 he starts a wind turbine business and it ends up worth £57 million She's not hoping to actually get £2m though. It's pretty standard to ask for as much as possible, basically claiming everything you can think of no matter how ridiculous, and then have the judge go through and decide what's actually worth awarding. That said, I'm not sure exactly what her motivations, reasoning, etc are. I don't know this woman from a bar of soap, and the article isn't particularly informative. So yeah. She could be playing the victim card to exploit a legal loophole to grab som…	/r/MensRights	09/12/14 08:55 AM
1	A couple divorce in 1992, the wife has 2 children with another man. The first husband is poor and lives in a van for 3 years. In 1995 he starts a wind turbine business and it ends up worth £57 million She said she was left destitute trying to raise HIS son without any help. There's a difference. If she's claiming child support for all the children then yeah, that's ridiculous. But claiming unpaid child support is not unusual. The only thing that makes this unusual is the fact he made so much money after they divorced.	/r/MensRights	09/12/14 04:49 AM
6	A couple divorce in 1992, the wife has 2 children with another man. The first husband is poor and lives in a van for 3 years. In 1995 he starts a wind turbine business and it ends up worth £57 million It's not totally clear from the article, but it seems possible she's hoping for child support money. If he's not spent a cent on his own son that's a bit rough. Obviously what she's reportedly asking for is way beyond what he should pay, but most people ask for the highest amount they possibly can, with no expectation of getting anything close to that. If she's purely and simply staking a claim on his business, well then yeah, that's obviously bullshit. But that doesn't seem to be the case.	/r/MensRights	09/12/14 01:45 AM
-2	Piers Morgan on rape of Shia Labeouf Speaking as a feminist, I do nothing of the sort. The calls for killing most of the male population are ENTIRELY satirical takes on the view of guys like Elliot Roger. They are in poor taste, definitely, but they are not meant to be taken seriously. Male victims of rape and domestic violence are actually a feminist issue, believe it or not! Of course, what dominates discussion in this particular subreddit are those examples of feminists who don't actually care about this sort of thing and ignore…	/r/MensRights	29/11/14 01:40 PM
6	Piers Morgan on rape of Shia Labeouf Exactly. As I said, everybody hates him. Except for the people who like him, but I've never actually met those people and I'm not convinced they exist. If they do, I've got no idea what they believe.	/r/MensRights	29/11/14 09:41 AM
11	Piers Morgan on rape of Shia Labeouf Feminist here. Piers Morgan is an absolute joke and should never, ever be taken seriously. I don't think I know of a single media personality so widely abhorred by all sides of politics.	/r/MensRights	29/11/14 06:38 AM
4	We need to talk about Laci Greens call to censor Youtube and Sam Peppers 'Ass Grab Prank' I'm saying, don't assume it's all a feminist conspiracy straight off the bat. There's not a huge amount of evidence available right at this minute, but even Green says there's stuff she can't mention yet, so that doesn't mean there won't be in future. And that goes both ways. Also, the heat was being turned up on Pepper well before Green's video. Him going into damage control wasn't dependant on Green's video being released, just him knowing (as he almost certainly did) that one would be release…	/r/MensRights	03/10/14 12:36 AM
1	We need to talk about Laci Greens call to censor Youtube and Sam Peppers 'Ass Grab Prank' There are plenty of other people attacking Pepper who DON'T support child porn. It's just not relevant to the issue, it is the definition of an ad hominem attack. And I'm not defending Green's claims, they simply aren't substantiated. She implies there's more she could have talked about but can't yet, but if that's the case the she should have waited. No questions there. That doesn't make Pepper innocent of being kinda creepy though. His videos really aren't a good look (EVEN WITH consent; it's …	/r/MensRights	03/10/14 12:24 AM
-5	We need to talk about Laci Greens call to censor Youtube and Sam Peppers 'Ass Grab Prank' That entire thing is an ad hominem attack based on one horrible individual joining the condemnation.	/r/MensRights	03/10/14 12:13 AM
13	We need to talk about Laci Greens call to censor Youtube and Sam Peppers 'Ass Grab Prank' "Facebook User" is what is shown when you've blocked someone, as far as I'm aware. So that the explanation for that. While the "social experiment" angle is plausible, he's had plenty of other videos that aren't covered by that explanation that are still pretty objectionable...so, yeah. It seems more likely to me that he's highlighting the discrepancy between how men and women are treated in this issue purely to distract from the criticism he was beginning to garner from his past videos, plus acc…	/r/MensRights	03/10/14 12:01 AM
2	Are You a Good Feminist or a Bad Feminist? Good question. Fact is, we do whatever we can to get by. The argument against allowing people to take money for sex is similar to the argument against allowing people to take money for participation in experimental drug trials. Personally, I think both should be legalised and regulated. Others disagree. But it's less an issue of gender discrimination and more an issue of the extent to which you're willing to regulate the market to prevent people from doing things they regret out of desperation.	/r/MensRights	26/09/14 08:02 AM
-33	Emma Watson's blatant feminist hypocrisy Except that the expectation that men be assertive and not shy is traditionalist, not feminist. Emma Watson was being decidedly non-feminist when she said that. But then, nobody is perfect. The problem with traditionalist gender roles is that they are culturally ingrained, and we often perpetuate them without realising it. So yes, she is a hypocrite, but that doesn't undermine feminism itself. If anything, it stresses the importance of it. An ideal society under feminism would have shy men gettin…	/r/MensRights	26/09/14 07:51 AM
1	Where do you draw the line between cultural masculinity and inherent masculinity? How do you then explain frustrations over "the friendzone" and other such things?	/r/MensRights	26/09/14 07:35 AM
4	Are You a Good Feminist or a Bad Feminist? Mostly a good video. However, there are a couple of points I take issue with. First, prostitution. While I'm pro-legalization, there are arguments that making prostitution a legitimate industry will only encourage women in desperate circumstances to turn to it when they otherwise wouldn't. However, this is more an issue of economics than feminism. It's just a little bit disingenuous to characterise the "against" argument as "sex for money is rape". Secondly, when he mentions male rape, divorce l…	/r/MensRights	26/09/14 06:57 AM
2	An Open Letter to Emma Watson, by Rachel Marie Edwards (naughtynerdess.tumblr.com) Off the top of my head: Evidence that gendered double-standards don't exist, OR Evidence that gendered double-standards do exist, but that these do not afford women greater protection, at the cost of personal agency/power/credibility/etc (the reverse being true of men), OR Evidence that gendered double-standards do exist, and do afford women greater protection at the cost of personal agency/power/credibility/etc, but these are entirely due to biological differences and have nothing to do with se…	/r/MensRights	26/09/14 03:18 AM
-19	"Raped by a pack of five men," but it was consensual. Betrayed by a 'selfie' The reason we say "we believe you" to women as the default is because there is a history of rape victims (both men and women) not being believed, and as a result being unwilling to press charges, allowing rapists to continue raping. On the other hand, an innocent accused rapist is hardly going to just put his hands up and say "whatever", he's going to fight tooth and nail. In this case, justice was served. People on both sides are going to lie, it's just better to believe the accuser and have th…	/r/MensRights	25/09/14 05:27 AM
4	An Open Letter to Emma Watson, by Rachel Marie Edwards (naughtynerdess.tumblr.com) Fark. So, I had a full reply typed out, but apparently I never sent it, and closed my tabs a while ago. So, I'll give you a quick TL;DR: I hold many of the same beliefs that many SJWs hold - my issue with them is that they're inconsistent in how they apply these beliefs. Patriarchy has many flipsides that hurt men, in fact every major talking point in the men's rights movement can be understood as a function of patriarchal double standards (in short, men are assumed to be powerful, tough, breadw…	/r/MensRights	25/09/14 05:12 AM
5	An Open Letter to Emma Watson, by Rachel Marie Edwards (naughtynerdess.tumblr.com) OK, I hesitate to "speak for feminism", but this is my take, which from my experience has been fairly well received by other feminists: within our society, men are generally bestowed more power and credibility, but with power comes responsibility, and a constant expectation to live up to the masculine ideal. When men fail to live up to this expectation, they are punished by society This is seen when men are expected to pay alimony and child support, when men are actively discouraged from "being …	/r/MensRights	25/09/14 04:58 AM
2	An Open Letter to Emma Watson, by Rachel Marie Edwards (naughtynerdess.tumblr.com) Out of curiosity, what do you think feminists mean by "patriarchy" and "rape culture"?	/r/MensRights	25/09/14 04:35 AM
-4	An Open Letter to Emma Watson, by Rachel Marie Edwards (naughtynerdess.tumblr.com) You probably disagree, but I don't think Jessica Valenti is bad (not actually familiar with Amanda Marcottes, I'm Australian which may have something to do with it). It seems that every phrase uttered by these writers is interpreted in the WORST POSSIBLE WAY, probably because of previous bad experiences with feminism. Throw in the echo-chamber nature of subreddits which magnifies these bad experiences and feeds into the narrative of feminists being man-hating, man-blaming, hypocritical professio…	/r/MensRights	24/09/14 11:39 PM
-5	An Open Letter to Emma Watson, by Rachel Marie Edwards (naughtynerdess.tumblr.com) It was, for the most part, great. However, I feel like she (and most of the people on here) have been exposed to particularly skewed version of feminism. There is a difference between feminism the ideology, and the people (often very flawed, as we all are) who practice it. Perpetual victimhood is really destructive to the aims of feminism, yet there are some feminists (NOT "most"), who are often particularly outspoken, who are. However, I will say that navigating the waters between "victim" and …	/r/MensRights	24/09/14 11:23 PM
1	Feminists call for the end of heterosexual masculinity, don't seem to know what heterosexuality is. I'm a feminist, and a man who cares about men's rights. I'm saying feminism doesn't demonize masculinity. That Paul Elam demonstration of demonizing men is pretty on the mark (though the stuff he says beyond that is full of problems). I agree, it is far more acceptable to say men are shitty than it is to say women are. It's comparable to the double-standard around being racist about white people, but not black people. And guess what? It's acceptable to be racist about white people because white …	/r/MensRights	24/09/14 06:52 AM
1	Feminists call for the end of heterosexual masculinity, don't seem to know what heterosexuality is. Please, enlighten me.	/r/MensRights	23/09/14 07:39 AM
1	Feminists call for the end of heterosexual masculinity, don't seem to know what heterosexuality is. Yet you still haven't pointed out exactly what's wrong with it.	/r/MensRights	23/09/14 06:32 AM
1	Feminists call for the end of heterosexual masculinity, don't seem to know what heterosexuality is. Why you think something is unacceptable to men just by virtue of being a feminist argument is beyond me. You don't have to agree with everything feminism asserts, but completely dismissing something just because you associate it with feminism is bullshit.	/r/MensRights	23/09/14 05:40 AM
1	The Rape Epidemic Is a Fiction \| Sexual assaults today are a third of what they were twenty years ago. Replace "rape" with "sexual assault" and that's pretty much exactly what I described.	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 11:11 PM
2	Feminists call for the end of heterosexual masculinity, don't seem to know what heterosexuality is. What a constructive comment. Care to point out which parts you disagree with, and why?	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 01:38 PM
1	Ray Rice has no right to defend himself because he's "strong". Have any of these people ever said the same thing about a woman? Ok, too many replies to address them all, so I'll just go with the bottom one: I would say the exact same thing if it was a male who posed the same level of threat. As for his actions, they were passive, until they weren't. She was the "aggressor" in the sense that she was slapping him, but she posed literally no physical threat to him. None. All he had to do was grab her arms and she would have been powerless. Or put her in a bear hug. Point is, for all her aggression, he, being a large, well c…	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 01:26 PM
0	Ray Rice has no right to defend himself because he's "strong". Have any of these people ever said the same thing about a woman? I don't think she was "poor, drunk, skinny woman", I think she was "stupid, aggressive, drunk, skinny woman". She should not have been acting aggressively. However, he should not have responded aggressively, especially when he has such a huge physical power advantage. She did wrong. He did EXTREMELY wrong. And you can have a momentary snap of anger, you know. It happens a lot. He looked frustrated, annoyed, tired of her bullshit. Eventually he snapped. He's paying the consequences for that.	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 10:05 AM
1	Ray Rice has no right to defend himself because he's "strong". Have any of these people ever said the same thing about a woman? OK, I don't know for 100% certainty that he wasn't in fight or flight. However, if he WAS in fight or flight because of a skinny drunk girl flailing her arms at him, then frankly he is a danger to society. He was angry (or has hair-trigger fight instinct, either way not good), so instead of restraining her, which would be the reasonable course of action, he punched her. Not acceptable.	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 09:34 AM
1	Ray Rice has no right to defend himself because he's "strong". Have any of these people ever said the same thing about a woman? That wasn't an emergency situation though! She was flailing her arms around! She didn't pose the slightest danger to him. If she came at him with a weapon, then yes, knocking her out would be reasonable. But he wasn't in fight or flight, he was angry, and he let the anger get the better of him.	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 09:13 AM
0	Ray Rice has no right to defend himself because he's "strong". Have any of these people ever said the same thing about a woman? That is such complete bullshit. It's not like his life was in danger. I see so much pardoning of violence because "it was the heat of the moment", well guess what, being a well-adjusted member of society means being able to control yourself.	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 08:31 AM
0	Oregon woman used box cutter and pliers to circumcise son at home One doesn't need to be worse than the other. I was mentioning that one is worse as an acknowledgement that that argument exists, before dismissing it. This sub gets WAY too titchy at any mention of women having it worse than men in any context. It's a bit weird.	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 08:08 AM
-2	Oregon woman used box cutter and pliers to circumcise son at home Yes, and I was making a comment on circumcision in general.	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 07:53 AM
-5	Oregon woman used box cutter and pliers to circumcise son at home Of course. The reason I acknowledged that one is worse than the other is that a common argument for male circumcision is "oh, female circumcision is totally different, male is not nearly as bad!". An effective counter to that argument has to acknowledge that one is worse than the other, while emphasising that the lesser one is still wrong.	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 06:35 AM
-7	Oregon woman used box cutter and pliers to circumcise son at home Equivalent to removal of the clitoral hood or labia, sure, but worse? On what basis?	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 06:10 AM
-7	Oregon woman used box cutter and pliers to circumcise son at home Incorrect. Removal of the clitoral hood is rarely performed alone. Type I circumcision is usually both clitoral hood and at least part of, if not all of, the clitoris. http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2008/9789241596442_eng.pdf Relevant quote: "Almost all known forms of female genital mutilation that remove tissue from the clitoris also cut all or part of the clitoral glans itself."(WHO, 2008) And yes, I did mean the glans, thanks for the correction. The point still stands though. Male circ…	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 05:43 AM
1	13 year old boy has sexual contact with older sister. Reddit sees no problem with this and goes on to peg the boy as the responsible party. Three things: firstly, the thread was on creepy, WTF things, so it's fair to say any potential abusiveness in the situation is implied; secondly, there's absolutely no mention of the ages of the boy or girl (just that the OP is 13); thirdly, nobody talks about responsibility either way. There are plenty of double standards to be found around reddit without making them up.	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 05:33 AM
-6	Oregon woman used box cutter and pliers to circumcise son at home Oh come on. Removing the foreskin is vastly different to sewing the vagina shut, for instance. Or completely removing the clitoris. I mean really, there is no comparison there. I'm totally against male circumcision, but you're insane if you think all but the most minor female circumcision practices aren't worse than the routine male circumcision. To deny that just makes you look silly.	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 05:16 AM
2	13 year old boy has sexual contact with older sister. Reddit sees no problem with this and goes on to peg the boy as the responsible party. I think it's pretty widely accepted to be abusive, isn't it?	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 04:48 AM
2	Feminists call for the end of heterosexual masculinity, don't seem to know what heterosexuality is. Eh, it's sorta both. Orientation is a thing, definitely, but it's also quite fluid. Much like gender, there are biological elements and there are socially constructed elements. The strict emphasis on "gay vs straight" is quite a recent one in western society, and that is important to recognise. On the broader topic of masculinity, it's no more demonised than femininity. What's demonised, really, is the EXPECTATION of masculinity (in men) and femininity (in women). You can be as masculine or as f…	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 04:29 AM
1	The Rape Epidemic Is a Fiction \| Sexual assaults today are a third of what they were twenty years ago. On the one hand, yes, "sexual assault" is defined horribly, horribly loosely. On the other hand, that is kinda what feminists mean when they talk about "rape culture". What constitutes sexual assault is extremely murky from both a legal and cultural perspective. A person doesn't have to "intend" harm to cause it, to violate somebody's personal and sexual sovereignty, so to speak - on the contrary, our culture encourages this. As men, we are taught to "chase". Women are taught to be coy (because …	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 04:15 AM
2	Ray Rice has no right to defend himself because he's "strong". Have any of these people ever said the same thing about a woman? The point they're trying to not-so-eloquently make is that, being stronger, an equivalent response in terms of the action (e.g. hitting back) will be non-equivalent in terms of outcome (her hit is far less powerful than his). With this in mind, the argument is Rice has a right to defend himself only so far as his much greater strength doesn't lead to disproportionate damage. He was entirely capable of subduing that situation by grabbing her arms and preventing her from hitting him. While a polic…	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 03:55 AM
-2	Here are five reasons why feminists should try to eliminate meat: 1. Eating meat is associated with male power in its most vile and repugnant forms. Eh. I mean, the wording of the first point is over-the-top, but the underlying point is kinda true: men are held to a standard of masculinity that can be both difficult and damaging for us to try to live up to. Eating meat is a small but associated part of that. The rest is bullshit though. Holy shit. I mean, I identify as a feminist but still...	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 03:43 AM
7	Oregon woman used box cutter and pliers to circumcise son at home Obviously this example is much worse by virtue of the DIY nature, but male circumcision is genital mutilation, plain and simple. It might not be as extreme as MOST forms of female circumcision (there are so many types it's a bit silly grouping them all into one category), but it's still bizarre how many people simply fail to see the equivalence.	/r/MensRights	22/09/14 03:33 AM
-24	Exposed: The Secret Mailing List of the Gaming Journalism Elite that suppressed news reporting on the Zoe Quinn scandal, causing #Gamergate Whatever you think of Zoe Quinn (personally she seems like a pretty rubbish person), this isn't evidence of some kind of conspiracy to whitewash away her wrongdoings. The attacks she's received have been horrible, they were debating the very real issue of whether to cover these attacks or respect her privacy.	/r/MensRights	18/09/14 05:48 AM
0	Why get worked up over men dying, when women are learning less money? What makes you think they're even comparable? The crucial difference is that men's value as human beings is defined by their performance. This is just not the case with women. Men don't view women without children as less attractive. The contrary is more likely actually. And a woman's value as a human being is defined by their physical appearance. And as a sexual object, women without children are more attractive, but in all other aspects, women without a husband and children are dismissed as sp…	/r/MensRights	14/09/14 08:18 AM
-5	Why get worked up over men dying, when women are learning less money? You got it backwards. It's not that women aren't "encouraged" to go prioritize earning, it's that men are pressured to earn more than women. Men are valued by their capacity to perform and support others (women in particular). Women are not. So they don't have the same incentive to earn a lot. That's all there's to it. And that's why women prioritize other things (like a comfortable working environments) - because they have the luxury to think about those things first. It's both. Women are press…	/r/MensRights	14/09/14 07:10 AM
1	Why get worked up over men dying, when women are learning less money? Exactly. Men and women are different, no question, but the differences are broad. The way these differences are expressed differs greatly from culture to culture.	/r/MensRights	14/09/14 07:06 AM
-4	Why get worked up over men dying, when women are learning less money? There's plenty of evidence that this is the case though. The brain is hugely plastic, massively influenced by concepts of gender conformity (preferences for pink in women versus blue in men is a perfect example; before the turn of the century it was the opposite). Don't get me wrong, there are differences between men and women, but how these differences are manifested is hugely influenced by how children are raised. For example, there are a greater proportion of female STEM graduates in Iran, In…	/r/MensRights	14/09/14 05:58 AM
-10	Why get worked up over men dying, when women are learning less money? Well, the point of the "wage gap" isn't that women aren't earning the same money for the exact same job, it's that women aren't being encouraged into the same jobs (including the more dangerous ones). Genetic differences don't account for this difference, it is largely a product of gender roles (e.g. being a long-haul truck driver is considered a man's job, sitting at reception is considered a woman's job). The focus has been on the earning differential between men and women because for most of …	/r/MensRights	14/09/14 05:29 AM
2	The stats indicate it's safer for a woman to walk down a dark alley than it is for a man. Anyone else find this surprising given the stranger danger we always hear about? The "stranger danger" stuff regarding rape is bullshit. It's been well established for a while now that women are usually raped by people they know (to at least some degree). The "ambushed in a dark alley" trope simply isn't true.	/r/MensRights	12/09/14 07:15 AM
3	Is it possible for humanity to care about male victimhood the way it cares about female victimhood? Biological hard wiring is nowhere near as concrete as you seem to think. Most of that "hardwiring" comes from how we raise our children. Breaking down the gender stereotypes is the best way of ensuring equality between genders.	/r/MensRights	11/09/14 12:43 AM
-3	Men being friends with women You can be attracted to someone while knowing that sex would be a long-term bad idea. I feel like people in this community really struggle with the idea of compartmentalisation.	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 10:26 AM
1	Men being friends with women Oh absolutely! And the first two years or so were fantastic. But I think I gradually fell out of love, I was far from a perfect boyfriend, she did what she could not to lose me. There was some pretty serious co-dependency issues as well. There are tons of things I'd do very differently. And I haven't sworn off LTRs. I'm just irrationally terrified of them atm. I have my own anxiety issues. The point of this was not to question why I'm getting laid regularly, it was to point out that you can trea…	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 10:24 AM
0	Men being friends with women Four years. First relationship, wasn't really in touch with my emotions. She had serious insecurity issues, and I think was worried about me leaving. I was very much an emotional crutch, but it was wearing on me. Abuse was pretty standard stuff, "you'll end up all alone without me", "you'll never find someone who loves you as much as I do", accusations that I was emotionally abusing her (typical gaslighting), "test" breakups, threats of suicide if I didn't come back to her after we broke up, eve…	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 09:41 AM
0	Men being friends with women The women I sleep with are mostly separate, though they know of each other and stuff. Jealousies would certainly occur if we were regularly hanging out together and then I was like "OK, I'm sleeping with X tonight, sorry Y". But no issue mixing them with platonic friends. And there have been some girls (polyamorous, sex-positive types) who've been fine with it. With commitment, I actually came out of an emotionally abusive relationship last year. So I'm pretty much completely anti-commitment rig…	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 09:24 AM
0	Men being friends with women I have worked. I'm currently unemployed because I'm focusing on study (in Australia students are eligible to claim Youth Allowance which is enough to live on, just), but I've worked in workplaces dominated both by men and women. I've found that in workplaces dominated by women, women are every bit as rational and effective as men. In workplaces dominated by men, women took a subservient role, because that's what the dynamics dictated, and this was to the overall detriment of the workplace.	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 09:17 AM
-3	Men being friends with women Yet it's a claim I've seen, both in titles and in discussions, countless times when lurking here, with little-to-no rebuttal. What else am I to make of that?	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 09:07 AM
-1	Men being friends with women I'm pretty sure there are instances of mutual attraction in various friendships I have and have had in the past. TRP just has this really simplistic view of attraction. Attraction is complicated. You can be attracted to somebody and not want to have sex with them.	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 09:05 AM
1	Men being friends with women Or I'm just capable of taking an emotionally mature approach to sex. Have I questioned whether I'm attracted to any of my female friends? Absolutely! Have I thought about if there was potential for a relationship there? Almost without exception! And often the answer is (for any of a number of reasons) "no", in which case I'm perfectly happy compartmentalising any attraction.	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 09:03 AM
-1	Men being friends with women I'm really not that much of an anomaly. I'd love to give you a snapshot of my life, but yeah. WRT not being in good shape, I'm naturally athletic build, not fat at all, I just haven't set foot in a gym since high school.	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 08:58 AM
-3	Men being friends with women I don't disagree that being friends with women increases my attractiveness. It immediately tells women that I am capable of being interested in them for more than their genitals, for one thing. However, I'm curious about how that fits into TRP theory, when so much of it is based on elevating oneself above women?	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 08:50 AM
-1	Men being friends with women I don't doubt I am. I don't mean that in an arrogant way, I mean it in the sense that for whatever reason I developed in such a way that it's just not an issue. Women are people first, potential sexual partners second. What I'm saying is that if I can do it, so can anybody else, in theory. It's something fundamental about the way many men approach relationships with women that makes it difficult, and this is worth identifying and eliminating.	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 08:48 AM
-1	Men being friends with women Why? I'm not saying I dislike any of the men I know, I have plenty of male friends, but I just tend to become closer to women.	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 08:20 AM
1	Men being friends with women But I am friends with girls I am attracted to. Some of them I have a sexual relationship with, others I don't. One of the most physically attractive girls I know is also one of my closest friends. We are totally not romantically or sexually compatible (very different philosophies when it comes to sex), but we are great friends.	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 08:20 AM
3	Men being friends with women I just find this idea that crossing a sexual barrier is inevitable bizarre. It's just not been my experience, and I've been maintaining friendships with women (even women I find sexually attractive!) without that ever being an issue. I find it slightly disturbing that so many men think this way.	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 08:17 AM
-2	Men being friends with women I write, play music, enjoy Australian football and cricket (I'm Australian). Unemployed, completing my honours year in psychology. I am reasonably attractive, though not in great shape. And yes, I'd say they are. Maybe the reason for this is that most guys who genuinely enjoy the company of women don't tend to boast about how much they get laid? The only reason I brought it up in this post is to show it's not simply a case of being friendzoned. With regard to their actions being governed by emot…	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 08:16 AM
0	Men being friends with women Varies depending on my energy, but average maybe 5 times a week? Have a couple of regular FWBs going, plus tend to go on at least 2 dates a week, most of which end in sex. As for the link, I simply completely disagree. That hasn't been my experience at all. The most interesting people in my life are women. It's a huge generalisation, but I tend to find women better company, I have more in common with them, and find they tend to have better conversational skills. Now, it's totally reasonable that…	/r/TheRedPill	31/08/14 08:01 AM