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Racially charged?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:37 AM
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…I didn’t actually my bad, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:14 PM
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Another “Nice guys are actually evil” post…great.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:04 PM
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Well that’s obviously not his experience, in my experience kindness HASN’T lead to opportunities. Luck and preparation has however.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:35 AM
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I wouldn’t say precisely that people do good deeds because they want stuff, but yes people participate in a structure and encourage others to do the same with the expectation that they too will be able to benefit from that structure. Its called reciprocity. Yes there are no altruists out there. But the idea i see pushed around by some people against the whole “nice guy” conversation. Is that a REAL good person does good and doesn’t expect anything in return. I call bullshit, NO one behaves that …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 08:32 AM
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No he wasn’t complaining that his good deeds weren’t rewarded, he was complaining that respect wasn’t reciprocated.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:54 PM
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…nice empathy there chick 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 12:41 PM
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The problem is... Most of what is actually abuse, is considered "normal" by society. I would largely agree with this statement. Which is why most of women’s abusive behavior is ignored, normalized, and invisible which leads to men’s abuse being magnified. IPV is a prime example, where 50-70% of aggression is bi-directional. Considering that studies show that in cases of uni directional violence, women are often more likely than men to be the aggressor. This would imply that it’s ACTUALLY men who…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:45 AM
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Considering that virtually ALL abusive behaviors have their progenitors, why is it that the term “reactive abuse” is always deployed as if to explain away women’s abusive behaviors, but rarely if ever deployed to explain away male abusive behaviors. It’s as if you believe that men are fully accountable for all of their behaviors no matter what, but women are not…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:27 AM
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How are you defining hierarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 01:06 PM
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Well the ways in which Capitalism is bad is that it is NOT a fair hierarchy, there seem to be a difference between the ways in which western capitalism is described and how it’s used by elites. There are ways to have a more fair human centered capitalism, notice I DID specify that a hierarchy needs to be both coherent and relatively fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:52 PM
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I agree capitalism ain’t doing so hot at the moment, but how does that relate to what we’re talking about right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:44 PM
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Its the feminist framing that “patriarchy harms men too”. I disagree, on the contrary having a coherent “fair” hierarchy is the ONLY way most societies are able to keep the peace. Because it ensures that every man has a chance at surviving and thriving (not that every man will, because historically not every man survived and or thrived and or reproduced), but it maintains order and participation of the most possible men (which typically is needed for a society to meep moving).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:34 PM
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Excuse my bluntness: There are several problems with the possibility of a men’s body positivity movement. There’s actually a very broad spectrum for men, of what an “attractive” or dateable or fuckable woman is. But there appears to be a much more narrow spectrum of what an attractive or dateable or fuckable man is for women. Also men dont control access to sex, so we have no real power to impose what attractive means to women. So if we want to extract attention, sex, relationships, self-esteem,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 11:38 AM
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I really don’t understand what you’re saying…too many generalities. But i see guys disagreeing in here all the time, just by the nature of all the factions in this space. But guys are also not inclined to agree with and trust the female perspective because of so much bad faith and shaming thrown at us A woman having a conversation and trying to get empathy in this space can be difficult, and even be perceived as a bit selfish as most of the men in this space are NOT given empathy and often seen …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:56 AM
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This is not “men are wonderful” syndrome. This is a triggered trauma reflex from decades of being bombarded by ubiquitous “men are terrible” “men are stupid” “men are violent” content. I’d also put money on it that the comment wasn’t carefully framed as “this specific instance” but was aimed more generally at men, or even some men. Men are people too Men need positive reinforcement Men need to feel respected and loved Can’t keep beating us up and expect us not to have a reaction
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:46 AM
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This whole post reads like cope…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 06:03 AM
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We’re not. We are surprised that average women are not attracted to average men, and annoyed that average women tend to rate themselves higher than their appropriate attractiveness level, and that average men tend to be either invisible, or treated as much less dateable than seems appropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:41 AM
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This is a really bad argument, this is more a cautionary tale of falling into the pits of debauchery, in Hollywood or amongst elite circles of wealth and power. Im not saying that everyone who called, visited, and/or partied with Epstein knew beforehand that he was running a child sex trafficking ring on his private island (all though I’m sure many did) But i can guarantee you they weren’t expecting a few rounds of pinochle.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:51 AM
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I still think that number will s fairly high…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 09:39 AM
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Getting your foot in the door is NOT 95% of the work. Getting your foot in the door is simply the opportunity to take a shot, you still need to take the shot and land it and close the deal, and keep in mind at ANY point you can say or do something weird that turns her off. Or you can be so awkward and anxious that you say nothing, hit her with the deer in the headlights look…that one use to be my favorite.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 09:07 AM
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As an attractive person who has also struggled with crippling anxiety, and has fumbled MANY opportunities, social skills are critical. Being attractive gets your foot in the door…thats it, you still need to be able to bring it home.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:24 AM
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I support this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 01:48 AM
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Are you disputing the idea that in order to receive protection you have to trust and respect the person giving it? Have you ever been in an actually dangerous situation before?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:12 AM
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You didn’t get here on your own, you cant survive on your own, you are a part of a community. Individualism is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:02 PM
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…men and women Jesus 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:45 PM
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How can two parts of the whole coexist when there is no empathy, i find your question utterly absurd…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 01:39 PM
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It absolutely boggles my mind that you think thats a “weird expectation” So if a child is playing in the street and a car is coming, do you need the child to listen to you immediately because their life is in imminent danger, or do you want to have an extended back and forth and convince the child to listen, explain to them about automobiles, and velocity, and car crashes, etc. And before you try to deflect with something like “are you saying a woman is a child” no I’m using a child as an exampl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:18 AM
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for every man like me there are 5 more to make her uncomfortable or SA her Thats just not true or statistically justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:46 PM
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What from what i said leads you to that assumption? Leadership is not necessarily about absolute authority. But if women want to complain about protection they need to be willing to accept leadership. A man cant be expected to protect if he can’t trust those who he is protecting will respect him enough to listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:54 PM
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…most guys wouldn’t at-least
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:19 AM
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So then you’re going to have to find a woman that agrees with your value system or at least won’t have to come in contact with your value system. I believe that’s the type of value conflict that would prevent a relationship progressing to the phase of marriage and beyond. In the same way a man that values loyalty and respect, but the woman he’s dating believes that he’s not entitled to loyalty and respect as a boyfriend, but only as a husband and father, that relationship SHOULD not progress to …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:12 AM
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So you didn’t answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:10 AM
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Yes and I would criticize women who don’t show the requisite empathy and responsibility towards their men. But would you leave your mom or your sister to die if she did something stupid like panic? Could you honestly live with yourself knowing that someone you claim to care about got stabbed beat to death murdered because you were too worried about your own personal safety? Is your own personal safety and comfort your top priority?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:04 AM
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Well ignoring the fact that i said even a good non romantic same gender friend shouldn’t leave a friend behind… Its my belief that a man’s job is to protect a woman physically, and a woman’s job to protect a man emotionally. Not that a woman CAN’T defend a man physically, but in most cases she will be at a disadvantage considering most attackers will be men, and because biology. So it is at minimum impractical to expect that a woman should be equally responsible as first line defense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:52 AM
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He absolutely SHOULD be shamed. If other men had to defend your women FOR YOU, because you high-tailed it out? You have failed… If you want to run because you’re scared don’t leave her GRAB HER! If my platonic MALE friend did that to me we wouldn’t be friends anymore…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:46 AM
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That’s always the response, but you pretend as if communities are full of altruists. Women regularly claim that they are abandoning dating and marriage because it no longer benefits them. It seems like women are allowed to have conditional participation, but men are not?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 03:07 PM
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Walking a woman to her car, and picking her up from her house are completely different things. Not wanting a stranger to know where you live is understandable… This is one of the discussions I’m always a little dumbfounded by. I don’t understand how women can simultaneously have such low empathy for men, see majority of men as threats, but also bemoan the lack of protection from men. How do you expect people to participate in a system (and ultimately risk their lives) where they don’t really ben…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 12:52 PM
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The way he moves, the way he looks, the way he talks, the way he carries himself, the way he smells. The women i hear speaking on the matter report an instant spark, not “well after dinner number 4 i started to like him”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:27 PM
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Yeah I don’t buy this argument and i really think this just helps perpetuate a culture where women can routinely get free stuff while men can have no expectations. If a woman is not already interested a guy, he wont be able to court his way i to her liking him, no amount of fancy dinners and drinks will change her mind either. Meanwhile if a woman is into a guy she breaks all her rules for him. If there’s chemistry will be there o. A coffee date or a walk or something more cost effective (it rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:46 PM
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I think there is a strong counter-intelligence narrative out there keeping men’s (in particular white men’s) ire trained on black and brown immigrants and liberal institutions, rather than corporate forces who are suppressing wages hoarding wealth and making EVERYONES lives difficult. That’s what i think is behind this global rightward political shift and this rise in religiosity. And the rise in white Christian nationalism here in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:37 PM
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You can argue that the extent to which anyone cares about anyone male or female is based on an understanding of their needs and what they are able to extract from the relationship(s). People aren’t a bunch of altruists walking around. They participate because it’s practical:
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:55 AM
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Not doing shit for free is a significant point of contention. Capitalism ingraines transactionalism and erodes selflessness. I don’t think men or women have ever acted out of selflessness. Thats actually in part my point. I think the breakdown in gender relations is a result of the deterioration of the social contract. Men are not able to extract what they feel they are entitled to from society, in some ways society has become quite hostile to men. Effectively incentive structure for men has bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:34 AM
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Who told you this? Who told you that being and man and attracting women and successfully attracting a partner was “effortless”. I would agree that if men experienced life as series of effortless victories then yes it WOULD be silly to ask for sympathy. But successful men are respected NOT because success is effortless, but BECAUSE it is difficult and rare. And men ask for sympathy because their experiences are difficult. People just don’t get it. Men don’t have a problem doing hard difficult eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:43 AM
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Men are not “competing” with women. Women and men are compliments to one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:56 PM
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Sure men and women can both display confidence, but it generally looks different and serves different purposes, especially within a dating context:
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:21 PM
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I think what we need is a male:female translator. After hearing the same arguments and responses over and over for so long, it cant just be that everyone is lying or everyone is a bot…🤨 I honestly think that many people mean what they say, but men and women are just operating on different definitions of words like “confidence” “nice” “entitlement” etc. That and people’s feelings keep them from being able to engage in certain topics reasonably.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:56 AM
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Right, knew exactly who the poster was soon as I read the title
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 08:21 AM
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I know you meant this as a “gotcha”, but i don’t actually believe in unconditional love so, …kinda missed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:57 AM
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If we all (including all the women) know men lie so much WHY does it work?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:20 AM
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People lie. Some lie to themselves, some lie to others, some do both at the same time. Its a game, in the same way a guy buys a fake gold chain and everyone knows its fake but his friends don’t call him out. They are all engaging in the lie, they are all engaging in the fantasy. Especially when you have a woman who seems to consistently date the same types of guys who tell the same types of lies. THOSE are the lies she WANTS to believe. The guys are giving her the RIGHT fantasy to indulge in.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:07 AM
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It’s not that men don’t want to hear from women, it’s that there is a disconnect between what most women say is true and what appears to be true based on their choices. And that signals either a lack of awareness or intent to deceive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 01:24 AM
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No thats not strange at all, my contention is that that guy was bad from the start. He didn’t TURN bad. Women want to pretend they were tricked. Guy friends know when their guy friends ain’t shit (to women).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 01:08 AM
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Don’t you think it’s strange that almost no women claim to like bad guys but practically every woman that ends up with a bad guy seems to feel like he changed into a bad guy behind her back just out of the blue. I mean are women just terrible judges of character? Are men just mega geniuses and super manipulators capable of continually pulling the wool over women’s eyes?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:38 AM
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I think men value women’s “appearance” is slightly more accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:26 AM
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Beauty is also a performance of a type, you can tell if you juxtapose a tomboy vs a really feminine girl. A lot of these are learned behaviors, ya know how someone sits, how they carry themself, how they talk even, how they dress. I once saw a video of a trans woman describe how she had to train herself to speak in a feminine way, then she spoke in her natural masculine voice and it was fairly jarring to hear. I think this is what a lot of guys in this space miss. They see what a woman is as “in…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:01 AM
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…Ok men and women are exactly the same believe what you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 03:46 PM
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Saying men and women have the same needs is not true the way you’re implying. For instance men and women both desire security from their partner, but providing “security” for a man and for a woman are different things. It is true that we don’t rely as much on individuals to provide some of our needs, because we live in an industrialized, technology filled world, that does a lot of the heavy lifting, but you’re not going to sterilize relationships by removing all the “nature” from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 12:45 PM
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The assumption being that men’s needs are provided by inherent traits. I wouldn’t use those words but yes women tend to have MORE external needs than men, thats a fact of nature. But what a “good man” is and what a “good woman” is tends to be defined by their ability to understand and provide the needs of the counterpart.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 11:35 AM
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No its not, men risk their lives for women because (as they understand it) it is their JOB to do so. It is the CONDITION under which they can receive what they want, respect and love. Men who don’t show a willingness to risk their lives for their women are NOT respected and generally are not loved.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:53 AM
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Worse, what many of these men believe is this principled respectable state of unconditional love is actually a sort of feckless desperation. Clinging to an ideal that doesn’t actually exist. “I love you even though you do nothing for me and treat me like shit” Well sir thats not love, thats you desperately needing to feel in love.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:17 AM
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…No one’s love is unconditional. Men and women just have different needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 03:46 AM
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I think that who women would prefer to pair with and who they are attracted to are two separate categories
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:06 AM
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Then date a blind man, only other option
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:30 AM
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Right
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:47 AM
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If he’s attracted to you he’s attracted to many women. Sexual attraction for men is a mechanical process, its about shapes and proportions. If you’re looking for a man who is attracted to only you you’re looking for a liar…fair warning
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 01:43 PM
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I’m sorry to inform you of this but sexual attraction doesn’t work like that. Despite the romance novels men don’t just have eyes for one woman. Now “addiction” is a specific thing but a man’s gaze will wonder that is just a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 01:37 PM
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Great hope it lasts forever. And hope its actually real
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:54 AM
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What type of love are you aspiring towards, and where did you get these ideas from?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:53 AM
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Welcome to the black pill. All are welcome regardless of race or creed. That’s to be debated. There’s always some weird racism creeping into these spaces
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:47 AM
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Why does it feel bad to know you’ve been “settled for“ is your man’s love and loyalty not enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:45 AM
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Considering that statistically the majority of people that engage in slut shaming are women, Im confused as to why you would be asking men this question, and also my guess would be NO, women would NOT be happier under sharia law.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 06:09 AM
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…No, it is not
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:11 PM
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Your assumption is that your level of envy is logically correlated to the amount of things others have. Someone with more can envy someone with less. Envy is an internal feeling of dissatisfaction. It is NOT a logical reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 10:55 AM
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…yes because women have NEVER done anything bad ever
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 10:52 AM
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Just because men want and ask for sex doesn’t men women have to give it to them. I think your post ignores female agency. You are not considering the female ability to deny sex and the female contribution to hookup culture. My opinion is that men have dual mating strategies. One strategy is the spray and pray strategy. To spread your seed as far and as wide as possible (this is usually the testosterone filled young man’s game) There is also the long strategy, long term relationship marriage fami…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:50 AM
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Some women OPENLY admit that nice guys/good guys/squares are boring. And that they PREFER thugs, scammers, drug dealers, and criminals…and their dating history proves that. Now the women that admit this are extreme cases but I believe most women exist closer to the middle. The idea that women start out dating good men and all of a sudden “incompatibilities just pop up” doesn’t make sense considering a lot of these women end up dating the same types of guys again and again and again. But bringing…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 10:42 AM
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Probably not, the male equivalent would be “strategically aggressive” but everyone would acknowledge that as abusive, manipulative, and dangerous. But because it’s a woman they are less inclined to see it as a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:43 PM
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No one said be a pushover…That’s a false dichotomy. Men actually DON’T like women who are pushovers. There is a healthy middle ground where a woman communicates her needs and desires without being a bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:46 AM
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You’re absolutely wrong in HOW you’re looking at the issue (or completely right depending on your goal) you speak as if the goal/end game is marriage. If that is ALL you want then yes you’d get best results by deploying tactical “bitchiness” and or manipulation tactics (or as men would consider these toxic femininity and or abuse) If your goal however is some semblance of a healthy relationship that may or may not include marriage, there is NO place for abuse, manipulation or deliberately deploy…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:28 AM
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Nah thats a tinkerer, most guys will tinker with and/or modify their appliances, cars, tools etc. an “inventor” is a pretty specific term.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 01:15 PM
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Yes I would say the majority of men are motivated to suffer through pain, boredom, and mindless soul sucking existences to be able to one day make a life for a woman and their kids. That’s most likely why divorce hits men so hard and suicide is highest amongst divorced men. Because they quite literally have nothing to live for once their family has been taken. They certainly aren’t motivated to keep going for some shitty corporate asshole company that couldn’t give 2 shits about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 10:32 PM
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Most men are not “inventors” they are just regular men, workers, 9-5ers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 10:25 PM
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Yeah just quit being human why don’t you…Stellar advice!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:00 PM
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Ok have I stated or endorsed any of those extremes? And if men were serious about actually violently uprising against women and not just blowing off steam on the internet, that would have happened by now. Women have been sounding the alarm about the epidemic of incel violence for damn near a decade and it just doesn’t seem to be happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 07:06 PM
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…and it’s on you and other women to decide how men seek counsel and counsel other men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 06:56 PM
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See there in lies the problem and hence the reason why spaces like these exist. The conflicting messaging men are receiving. Men have been told by women that what they want is a man who’s better at communicating, who is more emotionally intelligent and expressive. They want a man who doesn’t bottle his feelings up and can ask for help if he needs it. Then what happens when men show their emotions (except not how women imagine them to be) they get the ick and go fuck a chad, and then complain abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 12:48 PM
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You’re only considering the extreme on the option with the lack of passion…Now granted this is a completely unrealistic hypothetical and I don’t believe a woman can love you without respecting you, or have deep respect and appreciation for you without feeling a deep emotional connection…but which do you think is more Likely? A woman in a relationship with you for years who watches you endure her disrespect and abuse for years, eventually loves you MORE passionately for putting up with her abuse,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:50 PM
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Fair enough, I just tend to think from experience that a relationship where there is respect and appreciation, is much better and healthier longterm than one with passion. Emotions can be fleeting, strong bonds aren’t built on tumultuous temperamental emotions. Strong bonds are built on intention and deliberate action over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:32 PM
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Right so you would prefer an abusive relationship where your partner disrespects you often and you assume she loves you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:28 PM
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Well the example was “loves you deeply with passion and strong emotional connection” which implies much more than a bitchy date. This is an intimate relationship. And disrespect in the context of an intimate relationship is often much more biting and hurtful than some cute edgy new girl with an attitude you’ve got the hots for and really don’t care that much about yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:26 PM
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Yeah well that interpretation of the example is not the polar extreme of the other. “A few insensitive comments” is fairly mild in comparison. I think to properly answer the question you need to consider the extreme of BOTH examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:23 PM
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If someone loves you deeply but can’t figure out how to stop disrespecting and hurting you why would you stay? Either they DON’T care enough about you to figure out how to stop hurting you, or they’re too damaged to fix themselves. Also the longterm effects of staying in a relationship where you are constantly being disrespected, is that your partner may come to see you as a spineless doormat, and no one can sustain passion long term for someone they see as weak and spineless.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:16 PM
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How do you know she loves you then? If she’s always hurting you? And how is that NOT an abusive relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:06 PM
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Terrible choice really, but I would rather have respect than love. There’s no point in knowing (or believing) that someone loves you if they’re always disrespecting you and making you feel disrespected. If someone is incapable of treating you how you deserve to be treated, how they FEEL inside is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:05 PM
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Sure, but as it’s been said, some people (especially a lot of women) are already connected to RP truth, but they help create and maintain a false reality for OTHERS to live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:34 PM
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This post reads as a sort of refutation of Red Pill talking points, when in fact you are recapitulating Red Pill talking points. are you telling me you didn’t notice the women in your life constantly choosing the athletic guys or the bad boys All you’re doing here is paraphrasing the “look at what they DO, not what they say” concept which is straight out of the Red Pill handbook.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 05:57 PM
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Doubtful, most aren’t out here trying “get a bunch of bitches”. Just trying to find a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:35 PM
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Does anyone ACTUALLY think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:50 AM
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For me it’s usually a “good for him”. And then a “how’d you pull her bro? Any tips you can share”. In my experience guys are much more congratulatory than jealous on this matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 10:10 AM
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So it sounds like you have some experience with men experiencing trauma, so I don’t understand your post. Not to pry too much, but did your father get lots of support from men during his time of need?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 07:49 PM
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That’s the thing…there isn’t always a socially acceptable way for men to stand up for themselves (especially physically) against women, or often times even anything tangentially involving women or anything feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 07:11 PM
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Many people men AND women condone, excuse, or ignore bad behavior from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 06:52 PM
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This list is extra-ordinarily cherry picked. Men absolutely do NOT across the board support men. Men generally are committed to things like the group, the clan, the community, land, the kingdom, etc. There is far more class solidarity than solidarity generally amongst men. On top of that men will turn on the next man on a DIME if a woman is involved. There’s tons of videos from across the globe (different cultures different countries) where a woman slaps a man, and no one reacts, then the man sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 04:07 PM
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Let’s not pretend that the courts don’t generally rule heavily in the woman’s favor in terms of assets, custody, visitation, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:43 PM
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a lot of the men who are worried about 'losing half their shit' don't have much shit to lose in the first place. Why do people think this is actually a legitimate argument. It doesn’t matter how much you have losing half of it is a kick in the nuts to ANYone. I sware this feels less like an actual argument, and more of another passive aggressive way to say “a lot of y’all men ain’t shit and ain’t got nothing ANYway…”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:10 AM
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It’s the same rationale that compels men to seek out dangerous jobs. Just because something is dangerous doesn’t mean we won’t feel duty bound to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:05 AM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 02:34 PM
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…See white women can be racist too. I’ve heard many western men and women speaking about many of the things you’re attributing to non-western or foreign unassimilated men. This sounds like the same types of rantings coming from people afraid of “the great replacement”. Western dating has BEEN going downhill and that’s got nothing to do with foreign men. Now you may have had a few experiences of being grabbed by aggressive foreign men, but the idea that that is a main contributing factor that is …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:15 AM
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AI-rone? Racist much? Man ya’ll are really just terrified of big black dicks aren’t you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:09 AM
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See women talk about men and “systemic privilege” but when you talk about your own privilege you ALWAYS conveniently talk about it in terms of “common decency” “just being a neighbor” “just being a good person”. Being neighborly is maybe calling the police from the comfort of your window from behind the blinds. Risking your life for some trouble that someone quite possibly has gotten themSELF into goes waaaay beyond “being a good person”. People that can so easily devalue the amount of risk and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 10:30 PM
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I already did expand. Rights are granted in writing by constitution, bill of rights and legal systems and enforced by various types of officers. I don’t care how you feel about me but you will respect my rights. The protection that women expect from men is part of a social contract. It is NOT a free gift that women receive just because. Part of what men expect in return is respect and appreciation. Are modern men treated with respect or are they treated as inadequate, potential predators, creeps…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 10:10 PM
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Bullshit comparison…and you probably don’t even notice how entitled it sounds. You’re comparing me NOT wanting to risk my life to defend a random woman with a stank attitude, to people trying to actually REMOVE rights that everyone should be entitled to. Rights that people JUST recently received… A man risking his life to defend you on the street is NOT a right it’s a privilege maybe you seem to have forgotten that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 09:46 PM
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…You do realize people in real life go on the internet right? It’s too late in the game to be talking that “it’s just comments on the internet” crap. Besides most of us in the real world with real relationships prioritize those who have earned the right for us to risk our lives for them. And it ain’t random women on the street giving us the stank eye just for existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 09:22 PM
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Your value is what you can get? “No your value is what you can keep” would be a MORE true statement…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 03:09 AM
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It could be mandatory with an option to opt out of it, though I really don’t see why a man wouldn’t just want to have that certainty. Bringing up cost, as if 1. the cost couldn’t be reduced somehow, and 2. raising a child that isn’t biologically yours isn’t WAY more expensive, seems pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 12:46 AM
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Which is why the test should be mandatory at the hospital. No one has to ask, no one has to be offended…the end (leaves sub)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 12:28 AM
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I disagree with the classification of all women’s experiences as “oppressed”. Oppression implies the juxtaposition against the male experience. And at any given time in history men and women were simultaneously all enduring suffering. During the white feather campaign in WWI when women gave white feathers to men to shame them into joining the military, were women participating in the “oppression” of men? A lot of men endured a lot of trauma and suffering fighting against the central powers? No..…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 09:08 PM
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I agree, it’s anti ALL people who are perceived as rebelling against patriarchy. IMO some of the more homophobic/anti-queer/anti non-confirming male sentiments in patriarchy (which are normally interpreted as misogynistic in nature by women/feminists) are actually attempts to police non-conforming MALE behavior. In short is not that femininity and by extension women are not valued. It’s that femininity in MEN renders MEN useless. So again it’s a way that feminism reframes the experiences of men …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 08:01 PM
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I think the “men built civilization” argument is mainly used as a reply to the often used claim of men’s historical role as “oppressor of women”. I also see women use the historical oppression of women to justify any number of toxic beliefs directed at men as well as all forms of Misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:43 PM
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That’s STILL an unfair comparison. While most if not all men HAVE been necessary for the building and maintaining of civilization, most certainly all men have NOT oppressed and or raped women. The problem as I see it is not even than women are holding men accountable for what men did in the past. The problem is that women are misinterpreting the intentions behind the actions of men of the past, and holding men to account for their misinterpretation of men’s actions, rather than a more charitable…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:40 PM
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I think a big part of the problem also is that white feminists are loathe to admit any benefits they extract from patriarchy. And I’m specifically citing white feminists, because even though in my case black women/feminists have adopted a similar posture against black men (even though we have had no structural power or authority in modern western societies) they got those ideas from white feminism. But anyway, by framing themselves purely as victims of patriarchy (and NOT its co-beneficiaries), …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:09 PM
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Ok interesting point, let me try: (Clears throat) You women should probably start caring about and being attracted to weird, “creepy”, unattractive, neurodivergent, broke, short, inexperienced, emotionally immature, co-dependent, men… Have I changed your mind? No? Didn’t think so Sure I know my example is a bit more extreme, but telling people they ought to care about something they simply aren’t attracted to is not quite as simple as that. Even so, I would argue that men have been able to be at…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:06 PM
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In PPD? I personally haven’t seen that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 03:43 AM
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You say this as if goodness exists in a vacuum. Not even born psychopaths become violent unless they are subject to longterm abuse. People require empathy in order to be “good”. I suspect your husband loves you, and you love him, which is why he is able to listen to your complaints. If your entire relationship was nothing but your complaints about men with no relent, it might be a different story. But that’s a lot of modern boys and young men’s experience. Hearing nothing but bad things about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 09:35 PM
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While I agree with you that being mean online likely won’t have any impact on psychos who were going to be psychos anyway. But the men that care about women are the ones listening. And receiving a constant barrage of complaints about women’s “frustrations” (which by the way generally comes with a healthy dose of “[all]men are inherently dangerous, predatory, a threat, or at least a bit of “we can’t tell the good men from the bad men because they all look the same”). Will likely disenfranchise pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 01:06 PM
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So why are we assuming single parent households have none of that? Why are you assuming that I’m making that assumption? If both SPH and TPH are just as likely to have an extended family/village. The TPH is still the best possible environment as that is the environment the child tends to spend most time in. Why are you assuming they dont? Generally if someone doesn’t know about their partners abusive tendencies, it’s safe to say they haven’t sufficiently vetted them for the purposes of their own…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 11:42 AM
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Some of us more reluctant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 07:30 AM
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Congratz you’re a whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 05:32 AM
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The assumption is NOT a problem, acting on an unexamined assumption can be though. How are you defining prefer it? Because people can prefer not to be around in abusive person. And how are we defining single parent? Having a child is one of the single Most important decisions someone can make (especially for the child) if you don’t know enough about the person you are having a baby by (barring instances of rape and incest) You are doing it wrong, and likely are NOT acting in the best interests o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:50 PM
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So why not be more focused on whether or not the parents are a good quality instead of quantity? I think the assumption that, if someone is planning on single parenting because THEY prefer it, not considering what the child wants/needs, then they are planning a less than optimal quality of life for their child, is a safe default assumption to make. The larger your village the better the outcome for the child. And both male and female parents are essential to raising healthy children.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:19 PM
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I don’t think people assume that a two parent household is automatically a good home, but it is statistically true that a two parent household is more likely to be better than a single parent household for raising children. Bringing up the fact that a two parent household can ALSO be bad just seems like poor justification for single parenting. Championing two parenting households is not about a belief that they are ALL automatically good, but about providing the best possible environment for rai…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:34 PM
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Even if true, laws changing in favor of women can STILL be seen as the patriarchal need to protect and provide for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:21 PM
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The post is talking about people’s private opinions and who they choose to date. There’s no assumption that people are going out of their way to do anything to sex workers. And from what I can see there seems to be a fair amount of mutual disdain amongst sex workers and clients. There have been a few OF stars for instance that have spoken out negatively against their perverted male clientele. And honestly just how much respect are you gong to have for someone paying for your piss stained underwe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 12:12 PM
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Ok if your claim is that these reforms ARE the democratic solution to some of the issues men face then you HAVE to admit they have a TERRIBLE messaging problem. There is absolutely a reluctance by democrats to acknowledge that men need help in a way that they do NOT express for women. When women need help they SAY it directly, accusatorially even. The right also doesn’t seem to share the lefts reluctance to speak directly to men, which is why so many young men are being radicalized. I remember d…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:59 AM
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Why is it a given that men would do sex work if they could? I wouldn’t. Also why is it wrong to judge someone based on the choices they have made that MAY have a profound impact on them (or may be evidence of some issues they already have) and that may impact your relationship. Why is it that it seems that men can be easily disqualified and seen as unsafe or unsuitable sometimes even for things OTHER men have done, but for women? Nothing short of violence or infidelity can disqualify them. I thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 07:49 AM
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I would argue that “falling in love with someone” is NOT actually what loving them is. And “loving them” is a separate process even from “falling in love with someone”. I am however speaking from a man’s perspective and honestly can’t truly say what love “feels” like for a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 07:38 AM
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UTTERLY disagree. Saying that love had more meaning when we were teens is the same as saying Christmas had more meaning when we believed Santa Claus was real. While that may FEEL true, it’s ultimately bullshit based on lies. A lie that SOMEONE else decided was important to inject into our youthful experience to make it more “magical” Love is NOT idealistic. I would argue that teens don’t actually have the capacity to experience love. They experience a form of youthful immature lust and infatuati…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 07:34 AM
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In lesbian relationships BOTH women report feeling as if they do the lions share of the work, and that the distribution of labor seems unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:58 AM
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Being the man she settles for or even had to talk herself into DOES NOT necessarily imply that she is disgusted by him. Of course no one should date someone they think is repulsive or stupid, but this is a false dichotomy. The idea that if a woman dates a man who has only 45 qualities out of the 47 preferred qualities on her list, that she is disgusted by him is simply ridiculous. Why is it difficult for some women to admit that sone of their expectations are simply unrealistic. If a woman wants…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 11:58 AM
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The the foundation of Red Pill is the men are violent and rapey, and non-monogamous, and are always stealing other men’s women? Yeah I call bullshit. That may be how YOU see it but that is t what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 06:02 AM
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I think your interpretation is incredibly off, inaccurate, misandrist, and lacking in context. For instance saying men are “pushy with sex and often violate boundaries” is simply a consequence of WOMEN’S preference for men to initiate. And a “boundary” is a highly subject thing. And being the one required to initiate IMPLIES probing a woman’s individual boundaries. But that is a SOCIAL game and not men’s “starting nature”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 04:33 AM
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Yes and I’m challenging your claim. So far all you have is your interpretation of what some people have said…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 04:21 AM
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Yeah so then how do you explain that the majority of men aren’t doing those things?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 04:19 AM
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Where does “Red Pill” say ANY of those things…🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 04:13 AM
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Sure and it’s a womans responsibility to manage the amount of creepy stares and attention she invites by dressing provocatively
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 02:53 PM
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That’s not true, not every compliment is the beginning of a courtship ritual. But every compliment is potentially a demonstration of a woman’s “social value”. And if someone a woman perceives as beneath her in terms of social value/status compliments her (ie the ugly “creepy” guy, or the construction worker) she might get offended. Because being attractive to a man of perceived “low status” may lower her perceived value/status as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 01:19 PM
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You didn’t engage with a reasonable challenge to my argument. I presented a dilemma, and your response was “then have fun being called a creep” that’s the equivalent of throwing your hands in the air and saying “fuck it”,
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:34 PM
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Of course…women want all the freedom and men should have all the responsibility. 👍🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:09 PM
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Dresses usually don’t look “cool” though, they look nice, as in attractive, as in sexually attractive. Why would you wear something that makes you look sexually attractive and then expect a guy to feign neutrality? He should acknowledge that you look attractive without somehow letting himself experience it? You want men to be unfeeling robots until you want them to NOT be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 11:55 AM
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Arguably the entire multi-billion dollar beauty industry is women deceiving men. Only we don’t use words like “lying” about one’s appearance. We use euphemisms like “enhancements”.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 10:45 PM
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You should always be wary of “manosphere tactics”. The idea that there is some boilerplate strategy that works for every situation is just dumb. The Red Pill is good for helping to establish a ground level of truth from which to build your own strategies based on your own unique circumstances and needs. But imo listening to an admitted sex trafficker, pimp, ephebophile, and grifter like Andrew Tate is a huge red flag. Don’t lay the blame of this man’s failure on TRP of the Mansosphere. His inabi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 02:44 AM
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So only the blue haired feminists are calling every guy they jumped into a shitty relationship with a narcissist? …got it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:58 PM
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The idea that almost everyone is deeply flawed is absolutely NOT projection. My mother has told me often that a professional friend of hers once told her that close to 50% of the population has some form of mental illness. And this was long before social media became ubiquitous. And to the “not all flaws are created equally” idea, it’s true that any flaw in men is seen as potentially violent or life threatening to women, where as female flaws are generally dismissed and considered harmless, or i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:36 PM
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Not true, it’s usually non-red pill people, or RP critical people like you who conflate “sexual market place” or dating value with individual/general value. Why would an RP man view a married woman as having no value, when they strongly believe in marriage and family?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:21 PM
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I personally have never seen a guy turn violent after JUST being rejected. The way that women talk about how afraid they are of that you’d think it’d be happening all the time. I have, however seen a guy get hostile after a woman tries to publicly humiliate him for a corny pickup line or something. And the throwing a drink in a guys face trope has become so common it’s made its way to TV and entertainment…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 08:45 PM
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Hypergamy is possible for women because their mating choices are based on the principle of abundance. There are abundant men able and willing to procreate with her (or at least try), it’s logical and in her best interests to select the best possible option for her outcome. Male mating choices are based on the principle of scarcity. Females are NOT nearly as willing to procreate with men (on average), and for the best options there is steep competition, so hypergamy in men would actually further …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 11:49 PM
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…No
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 03:53 PM
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First off a government isn’t necessary for this example. Second your gripe seems to be with the services being voluntary vs forced. I would argue that the voluntary nature of the service is artificial. Even amongst conservatives who don’t believe in large government, they DO operate under a sort of social contract. And if an individual CHOOSES not to contribute to the collective, or breaks that social contract, they will be extricated from the group in some way. Whether that be literal exile or …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 01:04 PM
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…forget it some conversations are better had in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 12:34 PM
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Your framing of the liberal thought process of valuing the collective over the family vs the conservative thought process of valuing the family above the collective is false. A collective is just a bunch of families who come together to share resources to pool protective power for the good of a the maximum amount of people. They’re both doing the same thing the liberal strategy as you framed it is just more efficient and broader in scope, where as the conservative strategy as you framed it is si…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 12:15 PM
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Isn’t a collective just a bunch of people taking care of their families and coming together to maximize the benefit to all? Conservatives over estimate the whole “individuality” thing while STILL valuing community and the collective. No conservative Christian man reads the Bible quietly in his own home by himself on Sunday. They go to church with a community of like minded individuals. This myth of “independence” and “rugged individualism” and “I did it on my own” is just that…a myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 11:44 AM
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It’s really not that difficult to understand and isn’t a contradiction. When men say “they don’t care about how much money a woman makes” it means a woman’s financial success or lack there of doesn’t make her more or less attractive. And this is usually brought up in response to when women list off what they think makes them a good partner, and it’s usually a list of things that THEY think make them attractive NOT what men have reported they find attractive. The fact that men lose a lot in divor…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 12:24 AM
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Yes I’m a natural protector and provider, however I wouldn’t like what this woman is doing (especially if it were consistent) because it is extremely and obviously manipulative. Being a provider DOESN’T mean being a pushover or being a yes man. This woman doesn’t know the difference. She’s extremely selfish and only sees a man as something for her to use…no thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:38 AM
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Yes, all this is fine and understood. Just spread the message to women. They seem to go with the argument, that “nice guys” actually aren’t nice, and are liars with ulterior motives, argument. If they would just say they like bad boys because they’re fun that would be better than preferring bad boys, pretending they don’t and then punishing nice guys for the damage the bad boys did. And for the record you REALLY don’t know what you’re getting with a bad boy either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:33 AM
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But being independent doesn’t mean you like yourself either. I would agree. Thats probably why I didn’t say that 👍🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 11:27 AM
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I think people waiting till they achieve something before they date doesn’t often have to do with self love or lack their of. People who do that often want to “experience life” before they settle down or what have you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 11:16 AM
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2 things can be true at the same time. Yes finding a lover wont fix your issues. And Yes you DO have to be able to love yourself, before you can try and love someone else. And no loving yourself doesn’t mean you are perfect and problem free. But it does mean you are not toxically dependent on someone else to ride in and save you from yourself. If you don’t know what loving yourself feels like you won’t know if the other person you’re trying to love is treating you well or you’re being abused, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 11:14 AM
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🙄 Strawman. Just because you refuse to concede a point doesn’t make it untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:16 PM
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No it’s actually a subset of women’s obsession…thats the point. And it refutes the idea that women can’t be attracted to men behaving badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 02:36 PM
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This is not men’s obsession. This is only brought up as an extreme example for when women deny that bad boys get a lot of women, and when women try to pretend that it’s actually “good honest men with good values that women are ACTUALLY attracted to”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:53 PM
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When men speak about the “average woman” they’re generally talking about women of average attractiveness. If the actual average woman is an ugly overweight woman, that doesn’t necessarily affect what men consider a woman of “average attractiveness”. They just see a bunch of ugly women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 09:59 PM
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I ALMOST agree with you but there’s a lot of unnecessary bullshit and personal bias you’ve thrown on top, Just to ruffle some feathers I gather. You’re very good at it by the way…ruffling feathers. I feel like modern men yearn for this for the same reasons a broken fatherless women yearns for a father figure in the men she dates. I feel like this is a blind spot for RP guys. We can clearly identify this behavior as toxic, as it is not a potential boyfriend’s responsibility to be a father figure …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 06:51 PM
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It depends, abusive men are often victims of abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 12:00 AM
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Your OPENING statement is that “women subconsciously understand that less desirable men are more likely to harm them”. Which is false, you then go on to discuss the topic as if it is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:29 PM
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Well statistically women are far more at risk from men they willingly let into their lives than the weird random undesirable stranger, so that fear is misplaced and irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:23 PM
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What percentage of rapes do you think are actually carried out by these random sex crazed undesirable men. It’s my understanding that majority of rapes are by people the woman knows and is close to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:18 PM
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“Hurt people” and “less desireable men” are NOT necessarily the same group. Many of the “hurt people” hurting women happen to be VERY desired by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:16 PM
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Their allegiance is to what they THINK Trump stands for, which includes their Men’s issues. Don’t forgot not all men’s issues occupy an equal position on the hierarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:18 PM
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People can have multiple different allegiances simultaneously. My perception is that the people that support Trump support him for other identities than his Man-ness. Whether that be him as an American, and them believing with him trying to insure that Americans are the primary beneficiaries of the United States, or whether it’s him being a white man and them agreeing that white men should be entitled to the spoils of the United States, or whether it’s people no trusting liberals/democrats and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:01 PM
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…Trump isn’t “the manosphere” he’s an opportunist
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 03:44 PM
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The fact that PUAs ALSO use Red Pill info doesn’t mean that’s the reason WHY it exists. Thats like saying “the only reason why chemistry exists is so The US could drop Atomic bombs on Japan”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:08 PM
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Because men tend to be problem solvers, and if something isn’t working they want to know why so they can fix it, redirect their efforts. “🤷🏿‍♂️ Oh well” is generally NOT a good strategy for action.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:52 PM
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I think most people just want the connection to another person Agreed, now the only reason why The Red Pill Exists is because men have been running up against a brick wall with standard Blue Pill thinking. I personally am of the mind that it’s always better to walk down a treacherous path with both eyes open than with a blindfold on. So telling men “the Red Pill won’t help you” is basically telling men “Nothing will help you”, which might be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:46 PM
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What in your mind is the difference between a Red Pill Man’s vision of success and a Blue Pill Man’s vision of success?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:35 PM
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Even IF I were to accept your framing of the “Red Pill Foundation”, what does that have to do with manipulation and psychopaths and “success rates”. Success rates in what?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 07:53 PM
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…People don’t switch teams because the sex is bad. If my wife leaves me for a woman, then obviously she’s been wrestling with her entire identity and it isn’t really me that’s the problem but it her own internal struggle with her sexuality that she’s battling with. Thats not nearly as humiliating as her leaving for another man. Yeah I disagree with almost everything in your post. Even your item 3 makes no sense, why would your wife who leaves you, allow you to watch her have sex with her new par…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 07:46 PM
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I would disagree with this, for several reasons. As difficult as it is for women to have orgasms apparently, it’s even WORSE for random hookups, so the “basic physical need” is NOT a guarantee. Also from what In hear from women, sex is not as important for women as it is for most men outside of an intimate relationship. It’s equivalent to what the friend-zone feels like for men. A woman getting used for sex but not getting the intimacy she so desires, feels comparable to a guy getting used for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:06 PM
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Not even these caricaturized RPers really care about girls “having fun” unless that fun includes promiscuity. Of course that WAS your intended assumption otherwise you wouldn’t have mentioned the RP preference for “young chaste women”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:53 AM
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I think most of the problem is that the modern RP appeals to mostly younger men. And younger men are hopped up on testosterone and in the throes of puberty and mostly care about sex and female validation. The majority of the “true RP” message is going to be lost on them and will become basically PUA strategies, not because THATS what the Red Pill is, but because THAT’s where those men are in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 10:39 PM
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You keep saying “women do not need” and “do not require”. I’m not talking about a need, I’m talking about a feeling. And I have a hard time believing that here in America most women simply don’t mind paying on dates. I will agree that women tend to want someone who is comparable in terms of success to them. Comparable but preferably ahead of them, typically not less than them. Which is still distinct from men who generally don’t care if a woman is less than them in terms of success
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 01:47 AM
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I disagree, most women who become successful don’t simply abandon their hypergamy because they don’t “need” it. That’s why there is still such a visceral reaction to women paying on dates and or going Dutch.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 12:51 AM
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They don’t NEED to, this is true, but they often WANT to, that’s the point
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 12:16 AM
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Laying charges or talking about them are completely different things, with completely different consequences. Talking about someone serves NO protective value to the woman, and generally only serves to damage the reputation of the guy, and comes across as vindictive And let’s not pretend that every-time a woman gets out of a toxic relationship with an “abusive narcissist” that it is completely his fault and that women don’t also have mal-adapted relationship behaviors, and do things to be puniti…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 07:15 AM
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Well there IS big difference between exercising discernment and protecting yourself and being vindictive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 06:55 AM
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Two things can be true at the same time. Abusers are assholes and monsters, women (and people in general) should choose better. I don’t know WHY it seems more comfortable for some women to completely deny their own agency and instead act like a leaf being blown around by the wind. Or instead act as if the WORLD should change so that they can be safe. Well every victim of any crime WISHES we lived in the perfect world, but until humans crack the code and figure out how to generate perfect human b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:39 AM
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Yeah in your little thesis you didn’t specify if the women are ACTUALLY having orgasms or if they’re faking it. I can’t imagine women who are ACTUALLY enjoying the sex enough to climax, not being attracted to the man that’s giving them the orgasm… I mean your idea makes total sense though if they’re faking the orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 05:41 PM
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Her being in an abusive relationship is one thing, her breaking into tears whenever she suspects I might be mad is different. Means she has unresolved trauma and it really isn’t my job to fix my partner. Besides who knows what other trauma she’s bringing into the relationship. I might just pass on that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 04:40 AM
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I think this is largely true and it’s a fact that NOT just men will deny, but women too because sometimes women like to deny their own agency. Anyone who’s ever been to a club or bar and stepped through the door only to IMMEDIATELY notice several women strategically placed throughout, lock eyes with you as soon as you step in view, can attest to the intensity of the female hunt. Both men and women are hunters, just with different strategies and often different end goals. One thing I’ll disagree …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 09:50 AM
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What a dumb, “modern manosphere”, “modern red pill” idea. It’s this kind of “FreshnFitisms” that give The Red Pill a bad name… There’s NO world in which loving your wife is the source of marital problems. What you might be describing as “love” is this weak, spineless, no self-respect having, deeply insecure, desperate, anxious attachment style of “love”. The type of “love” where you feel incapable of expressing yourself for fear of upsetting your wife, the type of “love” where you constantly wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:07 PM
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On the contrary if you’re hunting and you’re so eager to catch your pray and you can’t relax long enough to let a dear get close or let the fish bite all the way on your line, and you’re moving desperately and anxiously? you will frighten away the pray…so STILL it’s good advice 🤨.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 03:30 PM
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The desire for pair bonding and family is an internal motivation
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 03:23 PM
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Bullshit. bullshit. Bullshit and more bullshit. What you’re saying inadvertently is “just sit at home all day and it will come to you”. …That’s not an accurate summation of what I said AT ALL. In fact my statement IMPLIES that you are NOT just sitting around and waiting. My statement was that if you are pursuing a relationship (not sex) but your want for a relationship is so powerful as to cause you mental health issues and depression and the like, you will seem desperate and will scare off wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 03:22 PM
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The assumption being the results will be the same if you use external motivation and if you are internally motivated (which they aren’t). Like the analogy implies, if you are using someone else as a crutch they will bear the weight of your “healing process”. This can have damaging effects on them. It’s also bad for YOU because if the relationship fails, you won’t be able to build your self back up because you require external motivation. And it’s not someone else’s responsibility to bear the wei…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 12:01 PM
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Even then, in my experience when the thing you REALLY WANT is a relationship, it’s least likely to come. The energy you put out is desperation which turns women off. Its in your best interests to come to peace with NOT having a relationship (even though you want one). Once you get to a place where you don’t REALLY care, or at least you have things that occupy your mind, and/or things that bring you contentment (if not happiness) then women will see you as more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:44 AM
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Hmm…either you edited your comment 🤨or I responded to the wrong one. I was responding to the mention of mental Health issues. Hmm well OP mentioned mental health issues and your comment was in agreement with hers, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:13 AM
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You shouldn’t require external motivation to fix yourself, that’s a crutch.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:06 AM
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But those are generally regarded as unhealthy/toxic relationships. The goal is NOT to get into a toxic relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:04 AM
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But if you have mental health issues and have become unstable for ANY reason shouldn’t people avoid getting into relationships with you for their own safety? Isn’t that in fact very common RP advice? To stay away from women who have relationship trauma to avoid being treated poorly? Even if her relationship trauma is (in part) caused by being with bad men and being with a good man may allow her to heal and allow her to trust again, a man who has NOT hurt her shouldn’t be made to suffer because o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:03 AM
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It sounds like you are at least purple pilled but don’t want to associate yourself with “The Red Pill Movement”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 02:52 AM
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I don’t think you are really disagreeing with her. Both of your comments are true
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 11:27 PM
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Well as long as men are being told lies and half truths about men and women and gender roles and dating and life and marriage and family, etc and their running up against a wall and failing to have success and unable to figure out why, The Red Pill will exist as an alternate source of knowledge. The only thing we can control is what version of the Red Pill people are pulling from. So the goal shouldn’t be to try to discourage men from “subscribing to” the Red Pill, which imo is extremely callous…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 12:48 AM
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Well the solution to bad science isn’t “you shouldn’t subscribe to science”. The solution is better science. Closing your eyes or not “subscribing to it” doesn’t make it go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 06:05 PM
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If something is true NOT “subscribing to it” doesn’t make it NOT true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 05:56 PM
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Yeah and people intentionally try to misunderstand a lot of the guys’ opinions in here. People come in here with a lot of unnecessary feelings and bad faith. I actually don’t mind a bit of an adversarial tone at times, I think it’s the bad faith that kills the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 07:03 AM
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This is not a forum optimized for dating. This place is like a venting/brainstorming session. This is people at their least dateable: Even when articulating an idea fairly accurately, hearing it described in its most sterile terms is NOT sexy. That’s like asking “would you watch this movie?”, but all you have is the spit-balling dry erase board phase of the film.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 05:35 PM
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Then I’m all in!!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:58 PM
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Honestly I think I would, I think if she looks human and acts human, my brain would fill in a lot of the blanks. And as I couldn’t tell the difference between her and a real person everything just seems like finding the “perfect relationship”, minus all the trial and error of dating which I’ve never really enjoyed. I guarantee most married men have incurred much more than 10-20k in expenses while dating. This also assumes I’m not interested in having children which I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 07:53 PM
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Yeah that’s just not true. Money is NOT the most important aspect of a healthy LTR. Didn’t they do a study that said that rich men get cheated on the MOST? Actually that was from a dating coach and psychologist Sadie Khan so take that with a grain of salt. https://medium.com/@unveiling9/rich-men-are-more-likely-to-be-cheated-on-sadia-khan-02fedafdf548 But yeah having a healthy LTR comes down to more than finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 02:14 PM
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Yeah I reject the idea that the ideologies people form around the knowledge are the same as the knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:59 AM
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TL DR. This is like saying “Science is inhumane, ineffective, and destructive” because some people believe in eugenics, flat-earthers exist, and the atom bomb is a thing. The Red Pill is just knowledge. What you choose to do with that knowledge or how you disseminate that knowledge is a reflection of the individual. The Red Pill is mainly descriptive NOT prescriptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:27 AM
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…Again, I don’t know If you are INTENTIONALLY leaving out the parts of the argument that makes men seem I dunno…reasonable…human…NOT complete assholes…or if you’re just an autist with terrible social instincts, but your argument (AS USUAL) is suspiciously inaccurate. I’m addressing your claim that “doing good things is its own reward” and or “a good person is one who is willing to do for others while not expecting anything in return”. Now that is TRUE but incomplete. And when you intentionally t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 03:59 PM
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…surprise, that’s a transaction 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:51 PM
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But why would you ever choose to invest emotionally when your mindset is “hey it’s just my turn”? That’s a waste of emotions, or only hollow surface emotions
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 11:43 PM
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Not really, your mindset coming into a relationship often will decide what you take from it. And if you come to the relationship thinking “she’s not mine, it’s just my turn” you’re going to be closed off emotionally, so IF there was a chance for a real connection, you won’t see it, trust it, or meaningfully engage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 10:48 PM
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~10 years and counting
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 09:06 PM
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Your take is also less accurate and more dispossessing. A woman isn’t just a thing that you “take your turn on”. A woman is an individual that makes choices. Understanding this places agency in your own hands. If you can find the right woman and get her to choose you, you have a better chance of securing her loyalty. On the other hand your frame of reference, will block you from certain types of experiences which will only serve to confirm your own biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:59 PM
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That says more about you than it does about women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:56 PM
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So you’d rather be a liar and consort with someone too shallow to respect what you do for a living?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:50 PM
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…Why would you even want to be with a woman that you have to lie to like that to be accepted?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:45 PM
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I actually agree, that statement always makes my face twitch a little bit. I think it’s often used as a kind of pro-active protective mindset for men who fear being abandoned by women. Honestly by women who many of which are not shy about letting their lack of loyalty be known.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 01:00 PM
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Do those Reddit atheists who reject unconditional love tend to reject love and or marriage entirely? Because I don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:54 PM
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This is why “she’s not yours, it’s just your turn” is something that men really need to internalize. That’s actually not the same sentiment. Love being transactional or conditional does not necessarily imply a lack of loyalty. It simply implies that a bond is built on reciprocal acts of service and or support.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:53 PM
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I mean is that a thing? I could see how that would be a thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:50 PM
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I actually disagree. I don’t think unconditional love is actually real love. It’s not based on anything rational or reciprocal. Unconditional love will actually remain when you are abandoned, being treated poorly, even being abused. I see unconditional love the same way I see an unfalsifiable belief in god. People will say that they believe god exists, but they have no, or terrible reasons for that belief. Also evidence against that belief will actually make them believe more, not less. So the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:26 PM
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🙄 I was being cheeky, I’m 42 so I was alive when those talk shows were on the air.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 06:19 PM
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…what 2 viral clips are you talking about, maybe I can include those into future arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 05:23 PM
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Awesome, I’m glad you have a safe bubble of protection for yourself…👍🏿 Why are you even here…(that’s a rhetorical question, answer is not really required)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 02:57 PM
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Have you never heard of professional sports? Sportsmen are treated like gods. Male entrepreneurs are close behind them. Yes you’ve stumbled right into the trap. So yes that’s great for 1% of men, but the other 99% of men are what? Useless, invisible, predators, more dangerous than a wild bear?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 02:07 PM
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Disagree. You describe these men like they are bands of vandals and criminals and predators roaming the streets snatching women into dark allies to have their way with them. On the contrary these were popular men, athletes, successful men, sought after men, men that women willingly and gleefully consorted with. Your negative bias towards men is obvious. The fact that you see these men as basically fascists predators and rapists AND also aspirational to other men is disgusting and wrong. The reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 11:45 AM
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Practically every day time talk show in the 90s and 00s was a referendum on the idea that men are terrible and women are the victims. Majority of mainstream news and entertainment has accepted and often pushes feminist framing of society/social issues. One of the foundational tenets of feminism is that men created and maintain our current patriarchal system, the purpose of which was to empower men and oppress women. There are a million micro examples of men in entertainment of being portrayed as…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 11:34 AM
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… and before the Red Pill no one did these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 11:08 AM
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Red pill is about selfishness and greed, …how exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 10:53 AM
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Partly agree, but EVERY one needs to hear positive messaging about themselves. If mainstream spaces do nothing but degenerate especially YOUNG men and tell them to shut up and that they’re toxic, they will move towards spaces that offer them a more positive identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 10:50 AM
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That’s not a gender specific issue
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 04:46 AM
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What’s ITT?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 03:28 AM
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You HAVE to care. It makes no sense not to. Thats like asking when you’re selling a car do you care about what the customer wants? Or better no one just applies for any job and expects to get an interview. You apply to the job which is at the nexus of, where the qualifications they are asking for match YOUR qualifications and where you would like to/wouldn’t mind working.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 02:00 AM
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Are you serious? How are those two situations even remotely similar?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 06:43 PM
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Lack of reciprocation is NOT explicit rejection. Explicit rejection is explicit rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 06:34 PM
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But you’re not talking solely about women’s experiences, you’re talking about men’s motives, and intentions and suspiciously leaving out the possibility of men’s feelings being involved in this picture. It might just be that finding yourself in the midst of the involuntary process of being sexually attracted to a woman, aka “having feelings for her” and not having those feelings returned, and worse feeling lead on by a woman who’s possibly made her lack of romantic interests known, but who’s sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 03:41 AM
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Yeah sometimes reading straw-man arguments puts me in a cheeky mood 🤷🏿‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 03:13 AM
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You’re making the assumption that women are dumb and can’t tell the difference between a platonic friends interest and sexual interest. Why is it that women always talk about their skill at communication and empathy, right up until that skill becomes inconvenient?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:34 AM
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Yes, tell women to stop all that dreaded Slut shaming. How misogynistic of you ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:25 AM
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That’s not a required provision, they can dispose of the data immediately upon completion of the test.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 12:23 PM
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…I’m married and my wife agrees with me that paternity testing should be mandatory…nice try 🙄. Ya’ll always go for the shaming attempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 12:09 PM
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So should men’s contribution to tax dollars not go to researching illnesses/disease/ailments that affect only women because men don’t benefit from that research? And the test is hardly “invasive” a buccal swab is sufficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 11:47 AM
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You’re not blindly trusting anyone. You’re trusting the person you’re forging a relationship with. But yes people can still lie, and people can be fooled. Anyone can lie to you but trying to live a life without trust is…difficult to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 11:40 AM
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We all already do that, we pay insurance premiums even when we are healthy and NOT using the services, same with car insurance, home owners insurance, and all forms of insurance, besides if they are able to bring down the cost of medicine why couldn’t they do the same for paternity testing. Would you reject the inclusion of any other treatment options simply because you may not at this time need those services?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 11:29 AM
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Healthcare is already expensive what’s one more test?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 11:21 AM
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Logic brained response, most women are not going to think that way
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 11:01 AM
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… that’s not how relationships and feelings actually work
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 10:31 AM
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This is a logic brain idea. Sure logically a woman should be able to submit to a paternity test if she has not been cheating. But relationships are founded on trust. And asking a woman for a paternity test is basically like saying “hey you know that thing that’s the most important thing in BOTH of our lives, the baby? Yeah I don’t trust you and thing you’re lying to me about him. Can you please prove to me that you are NOT a liar and a horrible person?” That kinda does some pretty severe damage …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 10:19 AM
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…yeah that doesn’t work. You can’t be a “real friend” when you are concealing unrequited affections. And you don’t act like a “real friend”. The nature of your feelings is such that you act more like a “super-friend”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 06:31 AM
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That’s NOT what she’s recommending though. Her steps are 1. See woman you are sexually attracted to 2. Make friends 3. If STILL sexually attracted after friends, make romantic interest known, Which is what men get accused of as being deceptive and/or making friends under false pretenses
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:37 PM
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This is bad advice for most people. In my experience (and let me tell you I’ve spent plenty of time in the “friendzone” 🤣, and also having various amounts of dating success) it’s important to establish romantic intentions early on. Romantic familiarity is a completely different energy than platonic familiarity. And once you’ve developed platonic familiarity it can be extremely difficult to convert that into romantic energy. Also if you don’t establish yourself as a romantic potential early on sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:24 PM
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But even under your recommendation, your attempt to befriend her was under false pretenses, which is what “friend-zoned” men get accused of all the time… bad advice
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:13 PM
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…This
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:18 AM
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Sounds good, god forbid you get a wrinkle or some crows feet, or your boobs start to sag little, … or it’s a Wednesday, because he might just up and leave for a “younger model” Congratulations your opinion is just as dumb as this one. 👍🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:40 AM
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Do I think a woman should marry a man that she is uncomfortable being touched by? No… People don’t do things (like touching) in a relationship because they feel “entitled” to do so, they do it because they EXPECT that that is what the other person either wants or is ok with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:31 AM
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There ya go, fickle loyalties. If my relationship isn’t EXACTLY like it was in the first 6 months I’ll leave and find someone else to recreate the most FLEETING, meaningless and short-lived period of our relationship. 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:25 AM
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…So a husband who’s attracted to his wife is seen as “a task” for a woman to deal with? How romantic 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:17 AM
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This is a prime example imo of the misuse of the concept of “entitlement”. Often times women speak in terms of “entitlement” when men are thinking in terms of expectation. If a woman CONSENTS to marriage with a man, CONSENTS to co-habitation with a man, CONSENTS to sex with a man, CONSENTS to a long term commitment with a man, the minimum he EXPECTS is that she is fine with him touching her, unless some thing is going on which is a break from the NORM.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 01:10 AM
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That’s also evidence of pre-existing trauma, and/or evidence of an irregular marriage that shouldn’t be super-imposed onto marriages in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 12:58 AM
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Ok first off let me just say that considering a HUSBAND rubbing his wife’s ARM as sexual assault greatly diminishes the gravity of sexual assault statistics. And everytime I hear a women using SA stats like the “1 in 3 women” or the “1 in 5 women” as a virtual cudgel to morally grandstand against some man in an argument, I’m rolling my eyes and thinking of this. Now there are several assumptions that go along with a man and a woman being MARRIED. That there is some mutual sexual attraction, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 12:56 AM
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Right…so basically hypergamy
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 11:53 AM
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I’m siding with the position that this issue seems trivial and inconsequential. Though i acknowledge that this seems to be a gender-biased response. I also disagree with many men in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:43 AM
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🙄 and women instantly side with the woman no matter how unreasonable she is being…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:38 AM
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Maybe they DID have a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:35 AM
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Maybe proposing marriage is important to him too, it is a lifelong commitment that you are making, maybe it made HIM happy to propose under a street light. One of the problems with women in relationships is their belief that it is the man’s job to “make them happy”.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:10 AM
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I agree, for him as well, if she declines, he dodged a bullet, good riddance…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:00 AM
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And telling a man WHERE you want him to propose to you isn’t a form of control?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:59 AM
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RUIN?! 🙄 is the proposal “RUINED” because it wasn’t in the right place? Is the point of the relationship the “perfect proposal”? Or a lifelong commitment with a man that treats you well. And “treating you well” does not mean catering to your every whim. It means providing for you what you NEED.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:31 AM
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If a woman declines marriage with a man because it’s “in the wrong place” she doesn’t love the man, she loves the idea of marriage, the wedding, and the proposal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:13 AM
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I think WHERE you want to be proposed to is a ridiculous detail irrelevant detail in the long run. If you’re so wrapped up in romanticism that the man you love and want to spend your life with asks you to marry him and because it’s in the “wrong place” you say no? Your relationship is doomed to fail anyway. Putting someone under the pressure to maintain the “perfect whatever” for a lifelong commitment is simply unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:09 AM
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I didn’t say it’s supposed to a safe space for women. Unfortunately men’s feelings and experiences don’t always come out in an “easily digestible for women” way. But it’s collisions with empathetic people with better ideas, or better conclusions that’s going to help men, not adversarial women with a bone to pick who wouldn’t give them the time of day in the real world but will chase them down to the depths of the internet to shame and berate them. That’s NOT helping.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 05:58 PM
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Here’s why I don’t believe your goal is ultimately respectable. The only reason a place like this forum exists is because it has become wholly impossible to have these types of attempted honest conversations in ANY public forum without hordes of women, feminists, and male white knights descending upon men making these complaints with the full force of “social judgment”. Any man who even appears to have any issue with anything involving women is called a misogynist and whatever popular shaming te…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:57 AM
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People are allowed to struggle with their decisions or talk them out with whomever wants to engage. If you don’t want to be a part of that sub simply don’t join.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:14 PM
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🤣 Do you honestly think people come here hoping to get trust, respect and support from women? 🤣😂 That’s a good one…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 01:28 PM
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lol, oh yes not being able to maintain the proper balance can be constantly infuriating 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 05:16 PM
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Yeah it’s helped us out a lot, now of course his competency level has to be within your personal spectrum of acceptability or else resentment sets in. But the key is as long as you’re both in the journey together you don’t care how things get done. A lot of women are so used to being “independent” they don’t trust anyone but themselves to get things done. Not being able to let that go can hurt a relationship over the long term
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 05:05 PM
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Here’s one from my personal relationship experience, not sure of your general dynamic in relationships but this might help. (Married 7 years, together 9) My wife is a bit of a control freak, and it stresses her out because she puts pressure on herself to take on too much. I basically had to tell her: look I can handle more things but I’m going to do them MY way, they’re not going to get done the way YOU would have done them, or in the same amount of time, but they’ll get done. Now. Once she adju…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 01:44 PM
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No…doing something unhealthy in an unhealthy situation doesn’t make it healthy. What kind of brain rot thinking is that? I guess the same kind of brain rot that leads you to believe you SHOULDNT resolve conflict in a relationship because, conflict is GOOD for the relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 02:00 AM
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You heard it here folks, cheating on your spouse is healthy for the relationship… BAM!! unresolvable conflict, all your problems solved 😎 …or NOT solved 😮
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 04:28 PM
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Andrew Tate?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 06:07 PM
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Andrew Tate has been a fad for what 2-3 years? Not to mention that he’s renounced the Red Pill/Manospehere, but Men Right’s Activism (the great granddaddy to the Red Pill) has been around for several decades. This just a classic case of scapegoating. If these men could just have been happy finding relationships, they would have done that already. Men find the Red Pill because there AREN’T acceptable alternatives. Thinking “if we could just stamp out this Red Pill then everything between men and …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 03:50 PM
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They’ve done experiments on video where a man is being ruff with a woman, fussing with her slapping her even and people (men and women) will step in to defend the woman, they do the opposite where the woman is shoving and hitting the man, fussing with him and people don’t do anything, many just pass by and laugh at him. People have an innate bias to ignore or downplay women as a threat and to over perceive male threats.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 04:24 PM
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Splitting house duties is completely reasonable. That doesn’t mean everything has to be a 50/50 split, but there’s literally no reason both should have to work outside the home and only one works once you get home.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:07 PM
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Which is why I pointed out non verbal communication, because I’ve heard and seen and can imagine some pretty brutal “no thank yous”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:52 PM
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Bull, there are plenty of people that can conceptually admit men can be victims but to actually understand it is something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:45 PM
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…congratulations, what’s your point
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:23 PM
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Acknowledging someone is treating you like shit is the same as claiming you are “victimized”?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:35 PM
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…Your misandry is showing So here I give you an example of how men sometimes feel taken advantage of and/or stretched thin emotionally, and you take that as an opportunity to accuse men of being terrible people for having feelings…Good Job👍🏿 I disagree with how you’re framing what a “decent person” is. Any dynamic where a person is giving and giving and giving and rarely if ever are their efforts being reciprocated, that is a stressful and toxic dynamic. Also to characterize the expectation of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:19 PM
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Ahh that makes much more sense, thanks for the added context.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 12:37 PM
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I gotta find it, but a short attractive woman was explaining that she doesnt owe short men a chance, because she’s happy with her boyfriend, and a guy here was using it as proof that women hate short men. The way that you’ve framed the argument makes your conclusion seem more justified but I’d have to see it for myself. That still doesn’t address the men feeling like their “rights” are being infringed upon comment. Being delusional and autistic are NOT the same thing. …Ok you know what words mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 12:20 PM
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Then they desperately try to frame it as those women mocking them or infringing on their rights. Need examples, don’t know if agree with this at all A woman can just say no thank you to a date but what a TRP man will hear is “Why is this 5’7 midget talking to me?! Fuck off loser I hate you! Now excuse me while I go fuck drug dealer Chad who beats me....” OK well considering that 75% of communication is portrayed non verbally, and RP men tend to be on the more socially awkward end of the spectrum…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 11:18 AM
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Men are not the ONLY ones who have sexist opinions. I fairly often have conversations with my wife where she admits that it wasn’t until she had a son that she was really able to empathize with men and see them as not just perpetrators and potential threats but also victims of violence and in particular sexual violence. Women have plenty of biases and sexist blind spots as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 11:02 AM
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I don’t like your framing at all. No guy in this sub expects to be “making friends” with women. We’re discussing contentions issues, and women often enter defensively and often showing no empathy for the male point of view. Also you need to understand that as men often feel like it’s their duty to cater to the emotions of the women around them, and who rarely have the opportunity to be emotionally taken care of themselves, to come in this sub (a place where men are trying to discuss issues, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 10:57 AM
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What? If Trump’s numbers were up in all demographics, that includes black men. So the black men that were going to vote for Harris anyway got a condescending finger wagging. The black men that were voting for Trump just weren’t listening. The black men that were on the fence, likely felt disrespected and decided to vote for the couch. Democrat turnout was down from 2020 by about 5-7 million. Who knows who sat out, those votes could have made a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 06:03 PM
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It didn’t affect couch voters, and Trumps numbers were still up with every demographic except for white men, so no…it didn’t work
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 05:09 PM
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Plenty of black women on social media prior to the election, Barack Obama came out finger wagging, Michelle Obama came out finger wagging, but like I said a lot of people (not all) shut up after the poll results came out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:58 PM
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Black men were blamed even before the vote, and black men were blamed after the vote even though polls showed we voted basically the same as black women. Granted there were some apologies, but there was still some blaming as well…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:12 PM
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Sounds like you’re conflating a lot of things, most right leaning men are proponents of marriage and family, don’t believe in abortion, and would support taking care of children: There ARE men (not necessarily right leaning) who believe that just because a woman is pregnant that doesn’t mean that the woman should have/keep the baby. But since they have so say in the matter why would they stick around for a child they did not consent to being born.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 12:39 PM
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…that checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 01:42 AM
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Both men and women use forms of aggression. Men’s aggression is more likely to be physical, women’s aggression is more likely to be social. Women (and men for that matter) don’t often see female aggression as toxic and as harmful as men’s but I bet if you allowed people to choose between social exile and a punch in the face, they would choose a punch in the face.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 01:17 AM
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I would generally agree, aggression + competence = dominance
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 01:12 AM
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I don’t know what to tell you, we come from different cultures, different countries. It could also be the culture within the discipline. I do notice that 70s and 80s western style karate/kickboxing and western boxing may not have the same culture of humility as say modern Muay Thai, or BJJ. That could be a factor 🤷🏿‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 12:26 AM
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Well even in the example you cited with the guy you knew that reveled in fighting. He was STILL more disciplined and less violent than the guys starting fights. In a culture where violence is fairly normal, the guys starting fights are necessarily more violent than the guys who WON’T start fights but WILL finish them. Guys who train are more likely to be disciplined, confident and more secure, and so less likely to start fights.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 12:10 AM
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You’re not confrontational, and in Muay Thai there isn’t the western culture of violent career criminals doing Thai boxing. Kick boxing in the west has more of a reputation for that. Ok so you’ve touched on something. There’s a surrounding culture of violent career criminality. If you were to drop a martial arts gym in the middle of that culture, would it likely attract a bunch of ruffians? Certainly. I’m advising (anyone reading at least) not to get a false perceptions of people who do combat s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 11:59 PM
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It sounds like your experiences have colored your opinions quite a bit. You’re in the UK I’m in the US, might be some cultural differences. But just because you can name half a dozen knuckleheads that were trouble makers and who also trained in fighting that doesn’t prove the point. I’ve trained at 3 separate Muay Thai gyms for years at each one. I’ve also trained TKD and Kung Fu (when I was a kid) and Capoeira, but since those aren’t really “combat sports” I’m excluding them. But out of the 3 M…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 11:10 PM
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I think we’re having a communication issue… What is it about ANYthing that I’ve said that implies temper tantrums or poor emotional control?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 06:05 PM
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The goal is to avoid a situation where you have to protect yourself from your partner. How do you find the right one if you don’t know the rules of engagement?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 06:01 PM
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Because knowing what to look for will allow you to protect yourself, and more easily navigate these situations, while walking into a situation blind (or with an erroneous ruleset) is a sure fire way to be blind sided and traumatized IF shit hits the fan.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:58 PM
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Capacity for violence/aggression is not the same as violence/aggression. The Capacity is there whether the aggression is there or not. Can someone have the capacity for romantic love while not currently being in a romantic relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:55 PM
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You realize there are men who are happily married or in relationships and consider themselves Red Pill, so the bad behavior is NOT implied…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:40 PM
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You really think these types of men are BETTER at de-escalating conflict, and LACK the capacity for aggression themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:39 PM
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The rules don’t hurt anyone, the rules simply ARE. What someone chooses to do with that information is THEIR choice. Red Pill is just the reality of the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:32 PM
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You DO realize that the men who are best able to de-escalate are often the men best trained at violence and aggression don’t you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:30 PM
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The very point of red pill is psychopathy — doing what (sexually) benefits you only and fuck everyone else — including other men What are you even talking about? The red pill is about relearning the rules of engagement, minus the BS, how does that equate to “psychopathy?”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:27 PM
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Why assume that someone who has the capacity for aggression is necessarily a confrontational dick?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:13 PM
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Sure but you also stated “aggression is not attractive or desirable”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:09 PM
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This isn’t just a feature of RP thinking. We are in a culture that worships money. The RP idea of “male:provider” intersects with that feature of our culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:08 PM
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You really think it’s “fringe” that fighters tend to be more attractive to women. One of the only times I’ve ever been approached by a woman was when I was really heavily training kick boxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:04 PM
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You actually think it’s the quiet shy nerds that are married and the brutes and bullies are the “incels” complaining about not being able to get laid? Are you actually serious?!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:02 PM
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Then why do serial killers get fan mail and marriage proposals even from jail?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:00 PM
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It’s not the aggression that is admirable. It’s the ability to confront your own aggression, the ability to wield your own aggression even, but your willingness NOT to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 04:56 PM
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First off 🙄… Second…There is nothing inherently “psychopathic” about wanting to train a fighting sport, or even wanting to test yourself in actual competition. And you completely misunderstand the context of JP’s claim. Having a capacity for violence or a capacity for aggression is NOT the same as making a HABIT of being violent or aggressive. Quite the opposite in fact, those who are trained in violence are often the LEAST aggressive in the room. It is inherently entitled AND delusional to comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 04:14 PM
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Well that’s good to hear
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 10:47 PM
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This girl gets it! Keep this up and I might have to turn in my misogyny card…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 10:30 PM
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Not necessarily, in poor black communities hyper-masculinity is often an over compensation for the LACK of a real patriarchal structure. A real patriarchal structure implies the successful ability to earn and manipulate capital (provide), and the ability to exercise some ownership and control of one’s environment (protection). Now average white men tend to have more access to capital than poor black men and also can more easily own property, and are more likely to come together and network which…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 11:38 AM
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Seems that might be the general rule, but at least in the poor black community there seem to be a lot of exceptions. Or at least, since there’s no legitimate patriarchal structure in the poor black community, hyper-masculinity is what usually wins out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 12:26 AM
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You absolutely ARE allowed to act on a threat by a man, that’s why there’s a special category of killing called “self defense”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 07:21 PM
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It is instinctual to answer the question as you naturally are. Are you naturally a woman? Judging by your tag…no. So you don’t need to make additional assumptions on top of the hypothetical that’s been established. Security thinking isn’t about averages. You have to consider the worst-case scenario and act upon it. That is literally the dumbest thing you could do. Especially when lethal force is involved you act on the threats as they present themselves not on the imaginary worse case scenario. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 07:07 PM
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You’re adding a lot extra to the Man vs Bear question than is stated in the original viral question. The original question was “would you rather be stuck in the woods with a man or a bear” …that’s it. There are no guns, no assumed threat. The misandristic problem with the question is that women hear “man” and THEY immediately assume “threat” “bad” “assault” “toxic” “danger” “fear”. When the fact of the matter is that the average man is NOT a threat to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:36 PM
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Hold yourself accountable…for sarcasm? Give me a break…🤣😂
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:32 PM
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SARCASM is aggressive? Geez…this is why liberals are losing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:25 PM
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Yeah I completely reject your claim that the 4B movement is “not about women trying to hurt men”. I think that’s exactly what women THINK they’re doing, which is seriously tone deaf considering the number of young men that are single and sexless. The idea that “this is about women feeling unsafe”. I call bullshit on that too. Women will regularly play the “I feel unsafe card” (whether deliberately or unintentionally) as a tactic to elicit men’s “rescue reflex”. This is a desperate shaming attemp…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:23 PM
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He specifically stated women’s lack of an “equal contribution”. The fact that men HAVE to compensate by producing more and earning more to match women’s innate reproductive ability could be perceived as evidence of men’s biological INferiority…which is why I think claims like “men are biologically superior” and “women are biologically superior” are stupid and inappropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:52 AM
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How are men biologically superior to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:34 AM
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That’s simply not true
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:31 AM
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lol right…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 06:13 PM
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…Again you present an argument that is framed in an extremely disingenuous way. It is EASY to see how a man walking up to a bunch of strange women half dressed on a beach with a camera phone trying to have conversations and requesting physical touch may seem inappropriate, uncomfortable, even “creepy”. It isn’t that guys can NEVER admit that behavior can be creepy and affect them socially. It’s that the concept of “creepy” when described by women and then observed by men is not at all an objecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 06:05 PM
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I would also submit to you that 52% of white women voted for the man that did all those things, which seems to support the argument that people will vote their interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 06:34 AM
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When someone cares about an issue, the tone won’t really matter to them. Well that’s not true. If enough apathy sets in people find it difficult to care about even the things they DO actually care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 06:24 AM
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I read some of what you linked about the study on incest, even though it was difficult for technical reasons. I have also read his book The Myth of Male Power, and have seen a few videos with him speaking, and. nothing from these quotes and what I’ve come to understand of his philosophical positions leads me to believe that there isn’t a much more charitable interpretation for these quotes than what YOU are presenting. I don’t see rape apologia, I see a failed attempt to relay men’s feelings/exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 08:58 AM
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I read his entire book, I don’t remember any of these quotes being in it. So excuse me if I don’t just believe anything that some rando posts on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 12:28 AM
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I’ll have to review these quotes for the full context of what his intentions were. For all i know these could be the equivalent of 13 year old twitter posts. But finding a few obscure quotes doesn’t change the fact that what got him boycotted by feminists was when he started to advocate for men and boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 11:50 PM
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What is my extremist view exactly? Are people who don’t like DV against women “extremist” as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 08:39 PM
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Makes sense, from what I heard he was more or less pushed out by feminists who boycotted and protested him because he tried to include men’s issues into his advocacy for equality (the same feminists that were fans of his when he was advocating for women).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 08:25 PM
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Didn’t fully address my argument but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 08:13 PM
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Evidence please…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 08:11 PM
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Well according to the judgement even the jury found her testimony unconvincing But yes I suppose I’m “polarizing” because I don’t accept the mainstream feminist narrative
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 07:55 PM
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Warren Farrell for example is regarded as a misogynist who turned away from feminism, even though the concerns he was raising were completely valid, and he is one of the most gentle almost effeminate speakers to ever take the microphone. People didn’t reject the crazies and listen to his concerns, people largely agreed he was likely just a reactionary misogynist and his complaints were basically invalid, or that the mere fact he was raising these concerns was a detriment to the women’s movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 07:52 PM
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But whenever a woman is the victim is “OH MY GOD THAT HORRIBLE CONTROLLING VIOLENT MAN BEAT THAT POOR INNOCENT WOMAN” clutching pearls But when it is a WOMAN that is the aggressor and is the violent one, and when JD was RUNNING from her and locking himself away in rooms to escape from her, and she was sending him to the hospital with severed body parts…it’s “they were a trashy toxic couple” “I have no empathy for either of them”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 07:37 PM
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They were “both toxic and trashy”. Though one was violent, shit in their bed, and lied about being assaulted, and lied about violent rape. I reject your first point because even when Warren Farrell switched from feminism and first started advocating for men he was MERCILESSLY attacked and boycotted by women. But “normal” people didn’t just ignore the crazy women and listen to Warren Farrell. They basically agreed that he was a misogynist and that he and the men’s movement were just a bunch of wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 07:16 PM
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The difference is basically all the ravings of the crackhead can be dismissed, whereas the blue-haired crazy feminist believes fundamentally the same things as the lukewarm “reasonable” feminists. Shes just loud and annoying. They call the crazy feminist out for being obnoxious when’s she’s supporting ideas they all agree with, not for spewing toxic, hateful, and false ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 06:36 PM
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You seem to often appeal to extremes to load your arguments, which seems a bit disingenuous. It isn’t that guys “care about blue haired feminists too much.” It’s that crazy blue haired feminists rarely get called crazy by anyone other than men who the rest of the lukewarm feminists have been convinced is an angry misogynist. But the reason he seems angry is because there’s a crazy blue haired feminist screaming in his ear non-contested, while the rest of the “reasonable feminists” are quiet. As …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 05:59 PM
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…She can still go after him for child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 06:06 PM
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How would the father know? If it was a one night stand and/or they hadn’t spoken or seen each other in a while and the mother gets pregnant all these options are still available to her and the father would be none the wiser.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 02:57 PM
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The reason why I used that term is because it is (usually) legally at the mother’s discretion whether she wants to abort, keep the child, give it up, raise the baby herself, or impose financial responsibility on the father. She also is given considerable influence in family court to engineer the type of situation she prefers in terms of custody/visitation. I stand by the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 11:34 AM
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Ahh I see, TLDR moment for me
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 11:19 AM
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That’s not really the best argument, taxes will always be spent on something you don’t agree with in a system with many people with competing political views and opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 11:14 AM
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Women also have the option (in most states) to abandon the child with NO financial penalty, by giving it up to a healthcare professional or emergency/first responder (police station/fire station) within 60 days. This also negates the “needs of the child after birth” argument. Seems like it’s always been about the needs (whims) of the mother, but gets framed as “women and children”.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 11:12 AM
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Women pick all the time. A man doesn’t choose a woman unless she’s decided she WANTS to be chosen by said man. This thread is strictly about a woman making the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 12:01 AM
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How is it bonkers? Women do it all the time. Most women’s hunting (dating) strategy is a passive one. They make themselves pretty and strategically place themselves where they can be picked by desirable men. Most women aren’t interested in driving the interaction, “picking up guys”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 11:58 PM
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How is a woman directly introducing herself emasculating? I didn’t say it was. What I said was emasculating would be if she had taken the lead in the interaction turning me into a passive participant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 11:04 PM
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I have no problem with women approaching first. Just depends on how they do it. I once had a girl approach and speak first, but she wasn’t aggressive at all, she was still very feminine. She kinda put herself close to me, and made an awkward comment that both signaled her interest, and also allowed me to lead the rest of the interaction. Now of course I fumbled it because “MUH ANXIETEEE!!!”, but thinking back it was the perfect way for a woman to introduce herself without taking the lead and ema…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 09:47 PM
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Yeah well he’s able to break a lot of norms, It’s kind of his thing. And people don’t seem to care, which makes him that much more scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 12:25 AM
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Most politicians are men, and women are 50% of the electorate, that’s still a bad argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 02:51 PM
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I mean you’re not entirely wrong, at THIS moment there are more people willing to criticize women and less consequences, except for the most toxic people on most platforms. But that’s not because there were NEVER any consequences. It’s because people are moving away from leftist and/or what’s considered “woke” ideologies. And even more women in the space lately are starting to speak out which takes a bit of the sting from the claims of misogyny. So I don’t know if that proves the point you were …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:05 PM
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So have I, but they’re not there only ones
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:38 PM
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We never agreed on where the goal posts are. I don’t imagine we would agree on where criticism ends and where misogyny begins.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 05:48 PM
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Really? Out of the 6 examples you’ve cited, (I don’t know all of them well) but at least 2 (asmongold being one, and I think I saw Ryan Kinel on a video with a list of critics) I’m sure have been called racist and/or misogynistic. One is Ryan George who’s “criticism” is SUPER soft ball at worst, one is a black woman (who are virtually immune to criticism), and one is an Indian man. People of color (except for black men) rarely come under much scrutiny from those hunting for misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 05:22 PM
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What guys “get away with insulting women”?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 05:04 PM
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So many men who say things like “You can’t criticize women without backlash” are experiencing backlash for saying things like “women are too stupid to vote.” Total Bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 05:01 PM
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People get “labeled” incels for any number of things. That doesn’t change the fact that an incel is a man that is unable to secure a romantic partner. People throw around the term “incel” for any number of undesirable behaviors they intend to shame. Just the other day I heard a stat that blamed incels for high rates of IPV in heterosexual relationships…now how exactly does THAT make any sense. If an incel is IN a relationship he’s NOT an incel…🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 02:07 PM
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I didn’t say obese and unattractive women are getting as much attention as attractive women, but they ARE getting disproportionate amounts of attention. They are NOT being ignored the way average men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:47 AM
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Not only are they getting attention, dates, and sex, they’re getting married. Have a female friend who is 6’0 has to be about 350-400lbs, she’s been with a guy for a LOOOONG time. They have 2 kids together. My wife is 5’4 240lbs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:40 AM
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Yeah not true at all. Haven’t they done surveys that disprove this? Women rate like 80% of men as unattractive or below average. Yet you consistently see average or below average women, even unattractive and obese women getting disproportionate amounts of attention from men. What I HAVE seen is women who are below average in terms of attractiveness AND who are poor at sexual signaling (frumpy appearance, poor posture, unappealing dress, unkempt appearance, no makeup, etc) being ignored by men (s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:20 AM
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You can re-define words all you like but if people don’t agree with your loosely defined terms then you’re basically having a conversation with yourself. Ritualistic is defined as: of, in accordance with, or characterized by the use of ritual: such as. a. : relating to or done as a ceremony or rite. Sacrifice is defined as: an act of slaughtering an animal or person or surrendering a possession as an offering to God or to a divine or supernatural figure. If you want to get really philosophical, …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:17 PM
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Most abortions are ritualistic killings of children to please a supernatural deity?! What an asinine and utterly unjustifiable statement… According to the CDC only 6% of abortions occur at or after the 15 week mark. There’s a debate on whether a pre 15 week old fetus is even physically developed enough to be considered a ”person” and by proxy a “child”. A pre 15 week old fetus imo, is not an “unborn child” but an undeveloped person, meaning it has not YET acquired what we consider “personhood” a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:56 PM
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This post is so dumb my instinct is to respond with sarcasm which may be interpreted as “encouraging violence” so I’ll just be silent…😑
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:33 AM
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There are plenty of broke black dudes who get sex all the time. There’s seems to be a correlation between a man’s perceived masculinity and his ability to subvert certain rules. So yes average white guys? Yeah you probably need money. Hyper-masculine black guys tend NOT to need money to get sex. I don’t know if there’s a category of white guy that’s able to subvert the rules, I’m not really in those circles. I know there are serial killers that still get fan mail and marriage proposals, so maybe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:47 AM
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Interesting that you’ve chosen one man that is on trial for about a dozen serious crimes in multiple countries and facing a lengthy prison sentence, and another who’s emotion filled (not very stoic, not very manly) temper tantrums, and racist rants has seen him banned, from several platforms where he is no longer able to make money, and has resorted to begging for help from fools. Seems like they’re both in very weak positions. These men may be the flag barriers for the modern monetization of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 09:15 AM
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Having followers? Who are you considering “leaders” content creators?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 08:33 AM
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Your premise is still faulty. Obviously according to you the originators of the Red Pill couldn’t have been strong successful men, because they didn’t change anything and resorted to complaining instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 08:09 AM
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The Red Pill is truth. Truth is sometimes bitter does that mean that truth is necessarily founded in bitterness and resentment? No. Red Pill Truth is not “women are evil”. Red Pill Truth is “women are people, responding to incentives”.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 07:00 AM
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So Red Pill is just pick-up artistry to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 06:56 AM
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Red Pill Truth is about more than simply interacting with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:38 AM
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Long term blue pillers DON’T make their rules. They are subject to them. Whether they decide to live a lie or learn the truth is their choice. (Guess that debunks your argument) Red Pill “ideology” isn’t based in resentment. Starting to learn the truth after living a lie can cause resentment, but that’s NOT the foundation of Red Pill “ideology”. The goal is not to stay in the resentment phase but to transition past it with a new plan and new knowledge. (Your argument is debunked some more)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 01:36 AM
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This why these types of hypotheticals don’t work, you can’t just change one variable and expect everything else to be the same, if men had babies they wouldn’t ALSO get conscripted into the military.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:30 PM
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The male Pro-Life position stems from traditional expectations, but also is enormously impacted by the fact that men are not subjected to the physical consequences of those expectations. The moment men have to get pregnant, carry the child to term, and birth the baby their entire opinions will change. I would put money on it that majority of men would sound like conservatives protecting their gun rights. Men would NOT like the government telling THEM what they could do with their bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:18 PM
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Doubtful
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:10 PM
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Then in that case if men were forced to deal with being pregnant, they would ALL vote for the right to an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:07 PM
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…If men could get pregnant then men would be the women and everything would be the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 03:52 PM
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The “Men don’t care about women’s degrees/job/income” line is referenced not because it’s not a consideration at all, it’s because women generally reference these things as to why men should find THEM attractive. this has NO bearing on how attractive a woman looks to a man. If a man is thinking of a marriage as a purely tactical matter they WOULD consider a woman’s education/career a benefit, but they usually aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 10:15 AM
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It’s really not that difficult to understand, and not at all contradictory. If a man is starving is he going to turn away food because it’s not prepared perfectly to his liking? No. It’s the same with men and sex. There is a difference between preference, and your lowest possible standard. Studies have shown that specifically surrounding sex men have a much higher disgust threshold than women. So yes while men may not find fat women to be all that attractive, they will fuck them from time to tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 10:11 AM
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Young people are dumb.:: Sorry I’m in my “get off my lawn!!” Phase of life
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:21 PM
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That’s not true, there are plenty of men who have lots of success with women, who either don’t care about them at all and/or resent them for how easy it is to get sex from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 07:24 PM
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Your claim is that their actions prove they DONT resent/hate these women. Now it DOESN’T matter that they resent them? Well most men’s view on marriage/love is not simply about romanticism. A man may feel duty, or indebted to his wife but still resent her for other reasons, while going to work everyday because her presence or “taking care of family“ gives him purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 06:06 PM
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They resent the OF model because they WANT a real relationship, and have to resort to paying some girl who they KNOW couldn’t ACTUALLY respect and love them to pretend that she cares about them so that they can get their fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:49 PM
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Yes the DRUG is what they care about. The price gouging drug dealer takes advantage of them and they resent them for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:47 PM
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Well no, men don’t just have physical needs. Part of the appeal of OF is the simulated personal relationship. But the men understand it’s not real. That’s why there’s such a rush of resentment when the immersion is suddenly broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:46 PM
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Not really. They do things because they have a need. Does the addict CARE about the price gouging drug dealer? No he needs him because he’s addicted to the product he’s selling.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:34 PM
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Apparently you’ve never heard of hatefucking
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:12 PM
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Not really true, also apples and oranges comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 05:51 PM
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Well I posted it several times in this thread, sorry I’ve been back and forth for a while in here and I’m kinda exhausted
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 05:07 PM
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I’ll watch them later, did you watch my video? It’s only like 4 minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 05:05 PM
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Sending the first message is not “closing the deal”, and showing red flags STILL implies that he is progressing the social interactions, just in a way that most normal people might consider “toxic”. And the guys not even that attractive which kinda flies in the face of your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 05:00 PM
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The fact that you state something as a rule doesn’t make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 02:20 PM
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Ok well I have another example I just thought up that may demonstrate my point of there being no direct link between actual attractiveness level and anxiety/confidence. It’s possible that a person can be attractive but be convinced they are ugly and can develop a negative mind state based on the belief that they are ugly. They then carry this belief and the corresponding low confidence/low self esteem into social situations. There are also people who are average or ugly, even deformed, who have …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 02:05 PM
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I modified my statement to basically “no direct link” I’ve had a couple back and forths with people in the comment section, don’t much care to re-hash my entire argument again.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:53 PM
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Yes but the “rolling out the red carpet” is just women being OPEN to the attractive guy. Women will still expect the attractive guy to lead, to progress the social interactions, and close the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 11:05 AM
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Right but anxiety is NOT always about a realistic appraisal of your circumstances and having an understanding of what can ACTUALLY happen. Anxiety can be an irrational emotional response as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:37 AM
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It all depends on WHY you have a goal. If your focus on say going to the gym is to attract women, the YES that will likely only make you resentful as you will feel that you are having to put in extra work JUST to attract a woman, or to heal some other social ill. Thats the wrong mind set The point of taking up working out or some other hobby that you like is to have fun and grow as a person, and prove to yourself that have the ability and the strength that you never before believed you had. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:35 AM
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I don’t think you understand attractiveness OR confidence. I think you have an outsiders perspective and you’ve drawn a bunch of conclusions without having actual experience and context. I think people who hold this opinion feel a certain level of comfort in blaming their failures on variables that they think are either unchangeable or difficult to change, in order to justify laziness, and/or a more nihilistic view. Fact is there are ugly men who have had low social anxiety, confidence, and have…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:29 AM
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Now address the other parts of my argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:18 AM
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None at all? I think there’s a very direct relationship. One of the main reasons guys work out is for the confidence boost that comes from getting fit (attractive). Was for me anyway. But the confidence you get from getting fit and getting more attractive is NOT “now I am attractive, now confidence magically appears”. That a classic perception of someone who is hyper focused on this ONE variable and attributes everything to that variable The confidence you get from getting fit is from working ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:10 AM
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This is a typical grass is greener perception, situation. Anxiety is not necessarily a rational response to experiences which is why I really think there is NO relation between attractiveness and anxiety. I think that is an outsider’s perception. I’ve been an attractive guy for 41 years. I would know. The next response when I say this is usually “well then you’re probably not as attractive as you think you are” which is also false.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:04 AM
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Handsome and awkward CAN be cute, but you still need to be able to progress the interaction and close the deal. Being attractive gets you more opportunities, but it’s not a free pass to the finish line. You still need to put in work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 09:45 AM
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I don’t think there is a relation between attractiveness and social anxiety. Or at least there are more than one way to develop social anxiety. A lot of more black pilled guys have this belief that being attractive is this magical thing that would solve all of their problems. Attractiveness is definitely a kind of social lubricant. But it’s NOT magic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 09:39 AM
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This is simply not true. Being attractive doesn’t preclude you from having anxiety and social awkwardness for instance
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 09:22 AM
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Is this actually a real question?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 03:15 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 02:51 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 02:48 PM
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Did you forget your own OP? Check the third item on your list…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 02:31 PM
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Yet YOU’RE the one talking about banning inanimate objects. (Just in case you missed it the last time)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 01:53 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 12:45 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 12:36 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 12:26 PM
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Yet YOU’RE the one talking about banning inanimate objects.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 09:57 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 07:31 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 06:27 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 06:02 AM
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…oh she’s a troll? I’ll ignore then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 04:26 AM
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Yet and still a fat undesirable woman can STILL get sex and relationships, and regularly do. You’re talking about men whose lives are already plagued by sexlessness and loneliness and you’re seeking to shame them for and even BAN the only tool that can provide them a bit of respite.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 04:05 AM
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The dudes that get sexbots are the dudes you never dated and would never date ANYWAYS so… The fact that women would NEVER show these men attention and/or date them means that women’s shaming tactics have NO effect on them. They are outside of the system. It’s ridiculous the level of selfishness and entitlement coursing through this OP. So these men that women at large regard as useless, disgusting, invisible, undateable, untouchable, unworthy…should they even TRY to eke out a LITTLE happiness by…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 03:52 AM
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Relax bro who’s “offended” My point is not “guys don’t pay attention, don’t be intuitive, don’t even try” My point is if it’s THAT hard for him to figure out how to please her, there just might be poor sexual chemistry between the two, she might not be attracted to him enough. I mean there is the possibility that he is just horribly awkward and/or uncoordinated, and missing every hint, but then again how would that guy have convinced a woman to sleep with him anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 04:35 PM
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I’m assuming “written instructions” is an exaggeration, but she shouldn’t have a problem guiding him with her words if necessary? Again expecting a man to be able to notice all of your subtleties while fighting with his own body can get a bit hectic at times. Or she can just get on top and do the work herself, stop expecting him to “please her” all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:15 PM
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So a man is required to be a mind reader and “figure out” every woman? I mean isn’t a woman’s pleasure in part her own personal issue? I mean I don’t have an EXTENSIVE sexual history, but I have basically the same set of moves and I’ve never really had a problem making a woman orgasm (except for a couple premature situations of course 😬) If a man is having to work that hard to get her off maybe she’s just not that into him? Or maybe she has some other unresolved issues surrounding sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:03 PM
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What’s so hard about it? Trying to remember and focus on all those things while ALSO fighting with the little head to convince him not to spit in 12 seconds flat 🤣😂. That’s what’s so hard about it. And really it just takes experience, patience, and an understanding and communicative partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:48 PM
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Well then it would stop being religion and start being a fact of reality. Part of the religious process involves faith, believing without evidence (sometimes believing in-spite of evidence to the contrary) but that’s for a different discussion thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:59 PM
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But it’s the environmental conditions that inform men that their tools are functional and good tools. Religion is just another tool after all
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:12 PM
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To be honest, I’m not even sure religion/god would he sufficient enough to convince men in mass.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 10:03 PM
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While there’s a certain logic to these sentiments, it also seems to be a fact that while some men will NOT get chosen, a fully functioning society henges on the even unchosen men’s belief that they can/will be chosen at some point. There have been studies where in polygamous societies where a few wealthy men are able to have many wives and too many regular men aren’t able to secure access to wives those men rebel, or as we see in our modern western society men begin giving up and turning away fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 04:48 PM
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That is ABSOLUTELY false…there are PLENTY of dummies on either side of the political spectrum. And studies show that MAJORITY of political engagement is driven by anger and fear. I would say both liberals and conservatives are capable of anger and fear no?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 12:45 PM
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You have a very idealistic view on things
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:14 AM
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Well world leaders sure seem to be worried about it. The new generation can’t build the tech if there are not enough young people working the factories, and if the economy can’t support the elderly population.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 12:16 AM
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Birth rates are already below the replacement rate for EVERY country (except for Africa)…so you know what…I change my mind this might be a great idea. Time for some new global leadership 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:04 PM
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See this just proves that religious people DO understand atheism. Their skepticism is just reserved for everybody ELSE’s god
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 09:58 PM
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You might break humanity if you do that…careful what you wish for 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 09:55 PM
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Dumb people are also delusional enough to believe that our system and this many people can be managed WITHOUT a little socialism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 05:45 PM
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The way I see it both liberal/democrat types and conservative/republican types enjoy elements of freedom and elements of restriction. They just draw their boundaries in slightly different places. However the conservative/republican types imo are more quick to proclaim how much they prefer “freedom” even while having a preference for more rigid, ideological, often religious political/social structures.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 03:04 PM
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You tell me, it’s you drawing the ideologically typical line in the sand between “smart people who enjoy freedom” and “dumb people who enjoy being taken care of” I’m surprised you didn’t also throw in “dumb people like big government and socialism”…🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 01:55 PM
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…tell me you’re conservative/republican without telling me you’re a conservative/republican
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 01:51 PM
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…Maybe affluent people are just assholes 🤷🏿‍♂️ My father has made more than my mother their entire marriage and he treats her just fine. In fact the only time they really had a rough patch is when he lost his job and my mother had to carry the weight a for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 01:45 PM
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So either you must believe that social legitimacy, social norms, access to sex, religious doctrine, legacy (and I would add, power, privilege, respect, duty amongst other things) no longer exist as social incentives for men, or that they are LESS powerful social incentives than the bitter rantings of men on the internet who have failed at relationships… Does THAT sound like it makes sense to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 11:17 PM
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In order to convince someone out of a position they’re holding you need either sufficient knowledge or sufficient empathy to understand their position. Reducing the rising male impulse to walk away down to selfishness (men just don’t care and probably have never cared about anyone but themselves) and propaganda (men are just being fed a bunch of BS and lies) demonstrates neither knowledge nor empathy. There ARE no altruists. Everyone (yes including women) is driven by incentives and self interes…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:46 PM
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Why are men walking away? And why should men care about any of those things you’ve listed?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 05:56 PM
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That might be your belief, but you’d be hard pressed to find a woman that agrees with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 07:21 AM
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Not talking about “a relationship”, You’re talking about a marriage. A marriage with built in barriers (literally) to prevent intimacy and closeness is a marriage destined for failure. You can’t want a relationship but not want closeness. Thats asking for all the benefit and none of the risk. And the other (usually female) person who also desires closeness and intimacy is continually unfulfilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:37 PM
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I think a relationship where you’re so separated as to be is separate bedrooms is a relationship that dies quickly. What is the point of being in a relationship if not for the closeness?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:07 PM
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She can also give the baby to the state
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:03 PM
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…Haven’t you ever heard of a Man Cave?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:54 PM
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…watch it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:06 PM
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I disagree with the idea that everything passed into law has to benefit some institution financially. But if capitalism gotta capitalism, some company could manufacture the tests and distribute them to hospitals and make a fortune. Besides I think men should proceed with discretion AND have the benefit of mandatory paternity testing as paternity fraud is a uniquely male issue. I think if enough men got behind it and voted for it the system would find a way to make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 02:58 PM
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So that’s an argument for why I won’t happen not why it shouldn’t. Also “return on investment” does not establish moral/ethical value.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 02:39 PM
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Why does that matter exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 02:10 PM
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Yeah it probably isn’t strictly “legal” but this shit is happening and if you don’t have the time, knowledge, resources to fight it to the father it’s a reality
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:56 PM
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The law and its “intention” is separate from how it’s applied by judges and court systems with biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:46 PM
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This is actually a different story than the one I had initially remembered: https://youtu.be/4dfIdXY2oZw?si=GYRKp4M6H7KcimIu
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:42 PM
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Well just in my own state from a quick search it says there is a Putative father registry that protects paternal rights. But if you don’t know about how could you register. If you are NOT registered a mother could give the child up without consent from or notification of the father.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:39 PM
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In this particular story (if I remember correctly) the father was willing to take the child, employed, and had a place to stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:33 PM
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If I find the news story I’ll link it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:32 PM
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Hold on so a mother can give a child up to the state without the father’s consent, but a dad getting a paternity test without asking mom is a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:18 PM
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No one should have to ask for a paternity test. It should be mandatory. That way there’s no implied lack of trust, no need to hurt anyone’s feelings by asking, and also it protects men who wouldn’t think to ask who are potential victims of paternity fraud. Making the test mandatory, makes it simply hospital policy. I have yet to see/hear a reasonable objection to mandatory paternity testing. What I HAVE heard is people trying to focus the conversation on ASKING for paternity tests which comes wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:14 PM
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Sometimes they do sometimes they don’t. But they definitely have all the power when it comes to having and keeping the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:18 AM
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The way the courts are biased marriage is MORE about security for the woman than the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 06:04 PM
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We are in partial agreement. Only when both parties fully agree to bring a child into the situation do I believe a woman is entitled to some type of “equality from the child’s father” as you put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 06:02 PM
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Sure, but that’s a very different answer than “because love and commitment”. You’re the first one that brought up children.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:55 PM
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I understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:29 PM
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Marriage is an old ritual, but it historically has NOT been about love, especially romantic notions of love as we modern folk understand them. Marriage has been more about tribal connections and tribal responsibility than it has been about “love”.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:25 PM
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Yes. Recognized by the law! A legally enforceable contract. You realize in this situation it’s not the man and his commitment that creates security/stability but the legal infrastructure in place that would force him to honor the contract if he had a change of heart?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:08 PM
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There’s nothing stopping you from re-reading my comment
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:03 PM
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I know why it’s important, but some people will refuse to admit WHY it is so important to them and it’s NOT because it’s a sign of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:02 PM
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That’s not what I asked. I can only assume that your refusal to answer the question means that the answer makes you sound bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:56 PM
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I understand that line of thinking but I’m trying to get you to communicate what about marriage signifies that commitment. Is it really impossible to commit to someone without marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:42 PM
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They are ALSO fidelity checks but primarily used for proof of parentage.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:40 PM
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But why is marriage important? Is marriage the goal or is love the goal? You can have love without marriage, you can have marriage without love, which would you prefer?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:33 PM
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Having a relationship where BOTH feel comfortable checking each other’s devices IS trust, setting a condition in which “if I do this DNA test, I get to check your devices” is NOT… I didn’t actually mention fidelity. I mentioned knowledge of parentage and the implied responsibility, but if you don’t want to address my actual arguments that’s fine… I am pro choice…actually. But the “my body my choice” crowd can expect men to stay out of women’s reproductive health issues when women decide to stay …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:29 PM
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The reason why the “solution” proposed by this post is a bad one is that the goal in a relationship should not be to set up regular checkpoints where both have to verify fidelity. That implies a general current of distrust that is completely catastrophic to a relationship. Both men and women should have no issue going through each other’s devices, and both should be able to trust that the other is not being abusive with the child. But mandatory paternity testing at birth (as I believe it should …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:09 PM
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Trust is not necessarily blind.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:16 PM
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That’s why paternity testing at birth should be mandatory. Removes the accusation and just becomes hospital policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 11:46 AM
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What a ridiculous post…So the father who DNA tested all three of his sons and came back with negative tests results for all of them should be thinking “chimerism, must be chimerism”? That’s a delusional man desperately trying to hold together a dead relationship. With the amount of infidelity, general lack of respect for marriage, and personal feel good-erism modern culture promotes its much more likely that cheating is the cause for most people in this situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 11:43 AM
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Well while you’re hacking the system, beware of the consequences you leave in your wake. Depending on how you conduct yourself, you will inevitably be the “narcissist” that causes her trauma that she will have to dump on every successive romantic potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 09:59 PM
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Shoes and dresses are inanimate objects that can be acquired. Sex is an act between two consenting adults often with their own separate plans, desires, motivations, wishes, etc do you see the difference? It’s not like going to aisle 6 at the grocery store and picking up 2 boxes of sex. It’s a negotiation between 2 individuals which usually implies some sort of relationship, either temporary or long term. Do you get it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 07:10 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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