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RantBeetleTross/r/AllPillDebate27/05/23 03:44 PM
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BeetleTross/r/AllPillDebate08/06/23 11:29 PM
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Reading through some of the responses, I feel like the unsaid part here is that men can't complain because it's still commonly assumed that men are performing the mating dance and women are simply tasked with choosing to be receptive or not, the former of which is understood as a skill, and the latter of which is understood as a very morally uncomplicated position to be in. Really, this whole belief structure is a type of essentialism (usually of biological origin when questioned) that just plai…
/r/AllPillDebate11/06/23 07:29 PM
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Almost everything in psychology seems to come down to a 50/50 nature/nurture split, so I'm going to go with that. I don't think anyone has made a realistic attempt to explain boobs outside of Fisherian Runaway, our collective obsession with them is probably entirely genetic. Examining beauty standards from past cultures, hell, even current ones suggests that significant portions of our beauty standards are socially constructed. I think it's also worth considering multiple types of attraction. I …
/r/AllPillDebate11/06/23 06:36 PM
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I mildly support mandatory paternity testing at birth for this reason. If it were mandatory, then all parties can consider their affairs (double meaning) with better knowledge about the future, and improving the quality of information allows for a higher level of consent. The main insecurity invoked by this article is clearly that of a person's wife cheating with a man who gets her pregnant. If paternity testing is mandated, then the wife and affair partner will know that, should a child be born…
/r/AllPillDebate11/06/23 05:30 PM
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You could do like me and get yourself caught in a never-ending analysis loop of trying to understand it. What other passions do you have in life? What else do you really care about?
/r/AllPillDebate11/06/23 11:33 AM
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Nope! I'm saying that if we're going to value asking people nicely, then there isn't an easy way to solve the inkwell problem. I'm hoping that somebody can challenge me and show that there is a way, or that readers will hopefully be inclined to think about inkwells and our situation in a much bigger way than they did before
/r/AllPillDebate09/06/23 08:30 PM
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I don't understand this post at all could someone break down this post so I can understand. I think it's interesting but it's too much for my brain to process Sure. As a society, we generally agree that it's a good idea to ask people nicely to do things, rather than hold a gun to their head and force them to do it. The problem is that sometimes, even if you ask nicely, nobody will do the thing. Usually we can deal with it, but when it comes to love, we don't have any solutions, and that's the pr…
/r/AllPillDebate09/06/23 04:19 PM
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Doesn’t the existence of prostitutes submarine this entire argument? Sex workers certainly can consent to their actions, but while consent is necessary for love to exist, it also isn't sufficient and can't be equated. I think it would be fair to compare the actions of a sex worker to those of an actress. An actress may agree to appear to be the love interest of another actor, but they aren't agreeing to actually be the love interest.
/r/AllPillDebate09/06/23 04:14 PM
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I'm more curious about your thoughts on homosexuality. Do you think it's a bad thing? Why?
/r/AllPillDebate04/06/23 05:19 PM
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Asking the real questions here. I wanna hear you think /u/getgud35
/r/AllPillDebate04/06/23 05:16 PM
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What I find interesting about this post is that you jump straight past bisexuality to homosexuality. Do you think that being homosexual is a bad thing for a man?
/r/AllPillDebate04/06/23 03:33 PM
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I agree within the bounds of "guys who are very sex-motivated", but I've found that listening to stories from sex workers has been kind of interesting on that front. A lot of stories revolve around this idea that sex workers are often moonlighting as therapists once they're alone with clients, that a lot more dudes than one might think will hire an escort, have sex with her, then spend the next 30 minutes talking about his feelings and so on. It has really done a lot to move my needle on how I u…
/r/AllPillDebate04/06/23 12:22 PM
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I broadly agree with the titular statement. IMO, there's a shitty interpretation of feminism that's been in existence since the second wave that completely misunderstands the theory, but is very bumper-sticker-able that creates these kinds of effects. It's rotten and way too common imo.
/r/AllPillDebate04/06/23 12:17 AM
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Agreed. The company I work for is growing fast enough that we're still experiencing growing pains, despite already having a few thousand employees. We've had something like 40% growth YOY for 4-5 years straight lately, it's been painful. When I joined my team, a very business-critical operations-oriented team, I was the only man. Since then we've brought on two more men, but we're still quite outnumbered, and doing awesome. Seeing people come and go, gender doesn't stand out for worker compatibi…
/r/AllPillDebate03/06/23 10:12 PM
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Cause men still want pussy at the end of the day Well, that's the thing about it, isn't it? I don't believe anyone thinks that "having an exciting sex life" is necessarily a bad thing (although many differ on what that means, exactly), but the axiomatic belief that men are highly sex-driven is narrowing quite a bit. I would compare it to smoking. When cigarette taxes were first suggested, there was a lot of popular opinion that smokers wouldn't quit, they would just become poorer, because it was…
/r/AllPillDebate03/06/23 09:44 PM
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Yeah, I mean, I'm willing to accept that it happens sometimes, but it gets trotted to point out that it's "all in our heads" or w/e. No, it's not all in our heads, and some sparing few exceptions do not deny the nature of the problem.
/r/AllPillDebate03/06/23 11:48 AM
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Dang, that's a nice chart to show the effect. I definitely would have agreed that the effect is coming a few years ago. Tbh, it's developing slower than I expected. Whenever the subject of falling birth rates comes up, I always see people parrot things like income inequality, working conditions, etc. as causes, and while I think those things do have some relevancy, the herbivore trend is almost totally unaccounted for in these conversations. I would love to see a little bit of media freakout ove…
/r/AllPillDebate03/06/23 11:00 AM
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Removing those who aren't attracted to men, we would have to interview women on the street or through surveys to basically say "would you rather fuck this guy or this dog" to get a more accurate description. Yes, exactly, and it wasn't until recently that this was possible. For good surgery design, we have to eliminate a false dichotomy by introducing a third option: woukd you rather fuck this dog, BeetleTross, or neither. One can take dating app usage to be a sort of survey, and include the fac…
/r/AllPillDebate02/06/23 12:35 PM
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The weak form of the dogpill: "Hurr women are fucking dogs blargh" - no, this is objectively unreal and it's just a dumb insult disguised as lazy discourse The strong form of the dogpill: "There is a nonzero number of women in the world who are sexually interested in dogs, and there are zero women sexually interested in me. Ergo, I am less attractive to the average woman than a dog." - This one is true for many of us, and normies get mad when you phrase it this way because the logic works.
/r/AllPillDebate02/06/23 09:49 AM
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What I hate about the dick size conversation is that it always turns into such a BSfest, but I don't really think women are actually lying. I think the bigger problem, the real problem, is that there's just very little language discussing men's desirability from a feminine point of view, and a LOT of it from a masculine point of view. Like, as a guy, I 100% understand the male appeal for big dicks. They project strength & power, they're intimidating, they're awesome in the literal meaning of the…
/r/AllPillDebate02/06/23 12:38 AM
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Women attempt suicide more often; I'd assume this paradox can be attributed to seeking sympathy & attention vs actually wanting to kill yourself. Part of it is that men are more often successful on the first try, which prevents repeat attempts. I haven't dug into the research, but I wonder if they're just pooling the total # of attempts without examining if it's relatively fewer people who attempt it 3-4 times before they catch the bus. That would certainly explain a lot of the difference.
/r/AllPillDebate01/06/23 11:58 PM
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I just plain disagree with the presented fact, namely that it's always someone unattractive. I've seen plenty of conventionally attractive (at least as far as profile pics are concerned) women calling undesirable men incels for one reason or another. I think the perceived preponderance of people who aren't conventionally attractive is just because most people aren't. Nothing unites a coven like calling out perceived misogyny, and the witches come from all backgrounds.
/r/AllPillDebate01/06/23 11:23 PM
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Scott Alexander (a psychiatrist) summed up this problem really nicely in the opening to his article Radicalizing the Romanceless. Fixing the drudgery of modern society is a politician's job, a culture leader's job, an executive's job, but not a psychiatrist's. And yet, psychiatrist's are the ones who end up having to do something about it because all of the former won't. It's all screwy.
/r/AllPillDebate28/05/23 09:36 AM
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I don't care for debate that much. Some back and forth is helpful to clarify ideas, but trying to win an argument can lead people into some weird discursive terrain. The way I see it, if you have a valid argument, then the debate is very quickly going to go straight down to values, but people rarely express them or even have the specific language to describe them. For example, the chief value I hold dearest is social welfare, and the way I try to achieve that is through the principal that social…
/r/AllPillDebate28/05/23 09:30 AM
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Enforced monogamy patriarchy, the basis of any functional mass society Would you want to be in a relationship that only exists because of enforced monogamy? I.e., she doesn't really like you, but she thinks that you're the least of the bad choices that have been forced on her
/r/AllPillDebate28/05/23 08:10 AM
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I think the idea of a nice guy has been bogged down with stereotypes of guys who say they are nice while actually not being that nice. I think it's kind of inevitable. Social norms affect everyone, as much as I rejected my conception of my father's masculinity, I still behave in a fairly masculine way. I was informed by society at large. Perhaps I picked and chose instead of swallowing the whole pill, but it remains I have not lived life as a male but your description of how you became a "nice g…
/r/AllPillDebate28/05/23 02:49 AM
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There's a lotta truth to this. The more handsome you are, the more you can get away with. People complain that "oh the relationships won't last if you're an asshole", but tall and attractive dudes can always find the next, they have the opportunity to learn from mistakes and improve. Those who are permanent bachelors never get that chance.
/r/AllPillDebate27/05/23 11:11 PM
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Well, it should be noted that I still picked up a lot of masculine traits. I'm very stoic, very self-reliant, I'm a decent leader (although I hate doing it any more than absolutely necessary), and so on. It's not like I decided to transition, haha. I suppose one trait that I've picked up is being very stubborn about certain opinions, which brings me to this: One thing nice guys don't get is its not the worst crime in the world to upset someone On one hand, I see where you're coming from, but I f…
/r/AllPillDebate27/05/23 10:58 PM
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I certainly agree with the idea of dissonance, as you've presented it in your last sentence, but I'm not sure about the connection with Nietzsche. I mean, I can see the Master-Slave Morality concept as being analogous in a way, but I don't think that the stereotypical Nice Guy is engaging with slave morality. At least not any more than someone taking a stand for their own moral beliefs are. There's definitely a strong case to be made about the strength of the analogy, though.
/r/AllPillDebate27/05/23 10:49 PM
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Being an asshole in a not-stereotypical way doesn’t make you a nice guy. It makes you an alternative asshole. That's fair, but the point is that the nice guy maps "jerk" onto a specific presentation of masculinity, and "nice" into a different presentation. Or at least, I certainly did, and maybe others do too. I'm half posting this because I'm curious if this is more broadly shared, half because I see it as something that should be understood, if masculinity is going to be discussed here by prox…
/r/AllPillDebate27/05/23 08:56 PM
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I agree. The real issue is that society as a whole is racist, and that is going to be reflected in people's individual judgments. It ain't right, but it is what it is.
/r/AllPillDebate27/05/23 01:06 PM
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I wouldn't blame feminism, rather, there's a deeper movement causing the issue: the push towards greater individualism. Feminism is a very visible current, but it isn't the totality of the overall trend. As culture becomes more individualistic, people invest more in themselves, which means fewer children, rockier relationships, etc., but also improved technological growth and economic efficiency. Resisting it is pointless, what would be better is to try to dream up new systems that will allow pe…
/r/AllPillDebate24/05/23 09:17 PM
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To answer your titular question - I agree with everything you said, but I have a burning need to figure out why. I think it's a way that I deal with pain - if I can at least understand why I'm experiencing the pain, then I can put it in context and appreciate it as an experience of the world, and not some cruel joke by the Fates. So far I haven't found any philosophy that addresses that question to my satisfaction. I feel you on the sense of circling around in negativity, though. I don't share o…
/r/AllPillDebate22/05/23 12:32 PM
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I googled this question and found this study which found that although people said that they preferred blue eyes, they didn't actually rate blue eyes as being more attractive. Rather, people rates mostly on scleral color, a sign of age and health. Frankly, I'm surprised. Perhaps there's more literature that found different results. I don't have access to the details of the study, but I'm curious if they used pictures of people with differing skin colors, or if everybody had the same.
/r/AllPillDebate22/05/23 07:07 AM
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Redpillers who believe women after 25 and they become single mothers after college/prime years are stupid when in-fact it does not happen at all I've always been of the opinion that "the wall" was massive cope. Redpillers who are always on about it are, imo, trying to justify why their red pill PUA shit doesn't work. "It's because I'm too young, and men age like wine, and women are going to hit the wall and then my PUA bullshit will work." Yeah no the PUA bullshit isn't going to do anything if s…
/r/AllPillDebate22/05/23 12:41 AM
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Many men lack structures that grant motivation and purpose in life, and relationships, we're told, are such a structure. It's a common refrain to hear from people who are in love - "they are my reason to wake up", "I do it all for them", etc., and a lot of men hear that and internalize that. Worsening this disconnect, there's a lot of activities that are typically done in parties, or pairs at least. Friends don't have the same level of commitment as a romantic partner, so even if someone has fri…
/r/AllPillDebate21/05/23 10:21 PM
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I think it's generally true, but I also don't think it's necessarily true - rather, I see it as the consequence of the male sex drive and our conditioning around it relative to women's sex drive and their conditioning around it. Right now we are definitely, 100% in a situation where men have to perform a mating dance, even if it's subtle, but I don't think it's necessary under all social configurations.
/r/AllPillDebate21/05/23 09:41 PM
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I don't have an opinion on your relationship specifically, but you pushed back against the other poster who said that women don't really care for men that much. I'm wondering if your objection comes from hearing so many stories about the suffering wife and thinking that that constitutes caring for their men. I mean, maybe it does, I guess I'm just curious about how you define "caring for"?
/r/AllPillDebate21/05/23 09:11 PM
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Do you consider enabling patriarchal men to be a form of caring for them?
/r/AllPillDebate21/05/23 08:08 PM
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I think a lot of men realize this, red & blackpill communities have a lot of people talking bad about "simps" and the like, but the philosophy isn't complete and so they don't see male abstinence as a strategy - they just want other dudes to get out of the way. I do believe that the awareness is inevitable and forthcoming, though. Nothing I can say or do to change the inevitable.
/r/AllPillDebate21/05/23 08:06 PM
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The model in my brain asserts that the primary perceived benefit of a relationship has more to do with a sense of purpose, and functions as a sort of check on whether or not you're winning at whatever lane of society you're in. In the individualist culture that we're transitioning into, though, that seems less relevant than ever before. Reading about relationships nowadays, there's usually some kind of scoreboard about who is providing what, and the benefits of a relationship are supposed to be …
/r/AllPillDebate21/05/23 06:27 PM
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To answer your titular question directly, I don't care about not being a Chad. I just lack a sense of meaning in life, and decades of cultural programming has taught me that romantic love is The Most Important Thing. Intellectually, I can observe that plenty of people who claims to be in love don't seem to care much about their partners, but that just motivates me to be resentful towards people who don't care enough for their partners. Also intellectually, I know that I probably wouldn't be any …
/r/AllPillDebate20/05/23 09:59 PM
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I'll match your poker analogy and raise. Chad has a royal flush, but the table was full before I even got there. Or, alternatively, Chad got a royal flush. I looked at my hand and realized I don't even know how to play poker.
/r/AllPillDebate20/05/23 09:32 PM
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Thank you for your kind words. I'm really inspired by this seeming contradiction in some portion of women, say, 10-20%, who just find themselves unapologetically attracted to the worst guys. I've seen other women consider it a sign of immaturity, but I'm inclined to think that it's a matter of socialization, that the story behind the suffering woman is just too virtuous to be ignored. The suffering woman story is as patriarchal as it gets, though, which gets me thinking about what other patriarc…
/r/AllPillDebate20/05/23 09:26 PM
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Food analogies never seem to go over well, so I salute you for trying. The analogy I've always liked is that men are dying of thirst in the desert while women are adrift in an ocean of salt water. The analogy extends pretty well, I think.
/r/AllPillDebate20/05/23 02:29 PM
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I don't think women's preferences are totally biologically hardwired, probably more like a 50/50 nature/nurture split like is seen in most aspects of human psychology. I do think that there is very little, very insufficient socialization regarding desire for men in society, so the 50% nurture ends up being really fucking weird and only the biologically hardwired bit can be relied upon. What I mean by "really fucking weird" is the incredible litany of pop songs about how much women love their abu…
/r/AllPillDebate20/05/23 02:20 PM
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I just finished reading Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl, the latter half of which is about his therapeutic approach called Logotherapy. One of the principal strategies that came out of Logotherapy was this idea called Paradoxical Intention, which I think you should study, Candid, as it seems right up your alley. The problem with applying paradoxical intention in this case, though, is that there's an assumption that one is acting "out of the norm" and that one only needs to relieve the …
/r/AllPillDebate19/05/23 08:58 PM
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I would agree if we're talking about a society that doesn't have a historically extreme belief in individualist values, which is where we're at now. The trend is only looking more socially libertarian as time goes on, so I don't think there's any putting the genie back in the bottle. To explain more - individualism and patriarchy are fundamentally at odds with each other. Patriarchies can only function by using pressure (social, legal, etc.) to force people into acting certain ways, but individu…
/r/AllPillDebate19/05/23 01:00 AM
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I definitely agree that women, broadly speaking, care more about looks than blue/redpillers are going to let on. There's always some degree of variation in humanity, so it seems excessively fatalistic to argue that chadsexuality is a lock across all women, but I also despise arguments asserting that "women totally don't care about looks teehee". Nah y'all are animals too, just like men, and our brains are really not that different, despite what some people may try to tell us.
/r/AllPillDebate19/05/23 12:20 AM
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It's absolutely possible, but I disagree with convicting people before they've had a chance to commit the crime. Do you have anything other than intuition and past experience regarding other people to think that's true? After all, if you can accept intuition and past experience regarding other people as being sufficient evidence, then we would have to accept everything bluepillers say about us.
/r/AllPillDebate19/05/23 12:11 AM
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Totally agree. Under a patriarchy, women are only allowed to say no to sex, so a woman who says yes sometimes is perceived as a failure of a woman. Yet, because men are only allowed to say yes to sex under the same regime, there's an obvious tension that results in this goofy mindgame stuff. Men who aren't fulfilling their dictate to say yes to sex (either literally declining, or not trying hard enough/failing to get it) are seen as less than, which is not an enviable position. It would do well …
/r/AllPillDebate18/05/23 11:47 PM
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I trust the studies on this. People are more honest than one might think when they're filling out anonymous surveys, and to the degree that they may under/over-report things, those are usually based on self-deceptions that are retained across generations. I'm not too well connected with Gen Z, but there seems to be a lot more suspicion of men's motives and more of an appreciation for sexual abstinence, tracking well with a decrease in overall sexual activity.
/r/AllPillDebate18/05/23 11:12 PM
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Not sure why you're taking so many shots at the woman here - she looks pretty attractive and I'm pretty sure that, were she truly disgusted by him, she isn't getting nearly enough clout to justify being with him. I'm under the impression that she's just one of the rare types who genuinely isn't lookist. My complaint about the article is that its posting on r/IncelExit was clearly meant to communicate to users that "If he can do it, you can do it too!" which isn't really understanding the deeper …
/r/AllPillDebate18/05/23 10:56 PM
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How do you ever come back from thinking women are only valuable because sex? That's some KKK-level thinking right there. Funny you should say that... I'm of the opinion that there is a way to do this reliably, but I certainly don't know what it is. I do think that people usually try yelling, then debate bro stuff, and then seem to give up after that. I rarely see people try compassion and understanding, but I do know that that's a difficult path, since you can't really drive-by-deliver it, rappo…
/r/AllPillDebate17/05/23 01:07 AM
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Right, that's exactly how the model is supposed to work. It's fantastic if you're extroverted, attractive, and neurotypical, and a total roll of the dice if you aren't.
/r/AllPillDebate17/05/23 12:50 AM
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To improve on that opinion requires intervention FAR in advance of them reaching that point. What makes you think that a person who would say something like that is too far gone? I actually have a subreddit no one looks at that actually takes this effort seriously. I'll take a look at it. You're referring to the HealthyDating subreddit?
/r/AllPillDebate17/05/23 12:04 AM
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I made a point to add the following line specifically because I was trying to avoid this extremely uncharitable reading. They certainly don't deserve a partner, The point is that my disagreement with you is on whether I think people I don't even know deserve pain because I disagree with a clipped statement of opinion. I would say that if we want a more just society, it's better to ask how their opinion can be improved rather than jeering and asserting that they deserve pain.
/r/AllPillDebate16/05/23 01:06 PM
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I have to disagree with the facts that you've provided, namely that less attractive men & women seek power and have the ability to strongly influence standards. In my experience, the drive to achieve societal beauty standards is part of the desire for power more generally.
/r/AllPillDebate16/05/23 08:58 AM
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Sure! It's subtle, but it's right here: This will always be an issue for as long as I date men. The implication is that too many men are morally inferior, ergo it's better to leave the scene. It should be noted that I don't think this post is particularly egregious, and I sympathize with her quite a bit. I wouldn't be the one attacking her. I don't think she's above resentment, though - she's fully human and trying to deal with her pain.
/r/AllPillDebate16/05/23 01:20 AM
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Second wave feminism started with the philosophical advancement that gender is just bigger than chromosomes, but the philosophy wasn't advanced enough to deflect the oppressor-oppressed dynamic. Third wave feminism took advantage of this to unite feminism with other civil rights movements via the philosophical addition of intersectionality, but the oppressor-oppressed dynamic still runs strong and deep. So long as any philosophy relies on this distinction, adherents are going to be very motivate…
/r/AllPillDebate16/05/23 01:02 AM
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I know what you mean, throwaway. I used to listen to a local top 40 station on the radio to try to keep up with what the children are listening to, but some rapper broke it for me. I can't even remember who, maybe Cardi B or Nicki Minaj? All I remember was just being disgusted about how her sexuality was being represented in the song, like her hoo hah was The Primary Thing. It's just degrading to herself, to her listeners, to women, and to men. I get that she's just making that money, and sexy s…
/r/AllPillDebate16/05/23 12:53 AM
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That's true, and it stings to see it, right? Sort of makes one a little angry? If you're arguing that neither the linked post nor the people who do the same but in reverse have the moral high ground, I would agree.
/r/AllPillDebate16/05/23 12:34 AM
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I think what takes it from a disagreement to anger is the stereotyping. The part of myself that wants to be angry reads what she wrote and thinks "But she hasn't dated ME!! how could she say that about me when she hasn't even tried?" (as though I would be any different lol), and that sense of being rejected without even being given a shot feels fundamentally unfair. That rage coalesces into an ideology when one starts to feel these individual droplets form into a puddle - a cohesive narrative ar…
/r/AllPillDebate16/05/23 12:27 AM
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OK, I'll bite. Someone who thinks about that way doesn't deserve to be lonely, imo. They certainly don't deserve a partner, but in a society that genuinely values social welfare and human dignity, he should be taught to have a more holistic view of other people. OK, maybe holistic isn't the right word :P I don't think loneliness is a light sentence to pass on anyone, especially without at least some systems in place to help people get to a place of being worthy of love, rather than the "fuck you…
/r/AllPillDebate16/05/23 12:10 AM
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Let's pose some reasons why some parents want to have sons: Many people believe that raising sons is easier because they can just sort of let them do whatever and let the boys figure stuff out on their own. This leads to broken men. This worked in the past because wives would have to essentially finish raising their husbands. Many men want to have a son because they idolize their childhood (back when things were better for them, personally) and want to choose that for their child. Some men drift…
/r/AllPillDebate16/05/23 12:01 AM
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Tons of this stuff being posted in TwoX. It's mostly fueled by resentment, a response to very real pain, but the resentment twists it into something else. One takes the moral high ground, asserts that whoever they perceive to be causing the pain must be evil, and any chance at compassion or understanding dies, a sacrifice to appease the pain. My reaction to this is always to blame it on myself (even though I have no idea who she is), to shrink, and to think about how I could make myself lesser t…
/r/AllPillDebate15/05/23 11:58 PM
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I pick both. Crime is a choice. Nobody is forcing them to be so violent. A feminist who doesn't believe that people are socialized into behavior patterns that can have unintended consequences?
/r/AllPillDebate15/05/23 10:42 PM
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Are you abandoning your retirement? Yes. I do not plan to retire. My labor is the only thing from me that's valued, and I don't want to live in a state where I'm not valued. if so, how will you support yourself when you are old?. I won't grow old, so this isn't something I worry about. I know you said you dont think you will live long, but we dont know how long we will live. An individual is always free to set their own expiration date. What if you have an accident or a disease? is there a free …
/r/AllPillDebate15/05/23 10:51 AM
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That's certainly how I interpret the white pill, and is the philosophy that I follow in my own personal life. It's over, so just try to eke out what pleasure remains and be a decent person along the way.
/r/AllPillDebate14/05/23 11:36 PM
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I stopped developing in my mid 20s after more or less blackpilling myself. I have a decent job, make enough to pay rent and go on vacations from time to time, but I do know that inflation is going to overcome it eventually, my raises haven't been keeping up. I stopped contributing to retirement savings and health insurance, which makes a big difference. Healthwise, I'm not planning on living long enough for that to be an issue. I figure I can run into my late 40s, early 50s and that ought to be …
/r/AllPillDebate14/05/23 01:17 PM
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Agreed. I don't subscribe to any OFs, but that's cause I'm tight on spending (usually) and not really thirsty for that kind of content anyways. But I wouldn't even consider the argument here since there is no "being the man she wants to initiate with" for me - due to my life circumstances, there are no paths leading to that destination. I guess winning the lottery could do it, ha. Once you realize you can't win, the game gets a lot easier.
/r/AllPillDebate14/05/23 01:04 PM
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It sounds like you're on a good track. I'm 100% speculating here, but some women take it personally when their guy can't get it up, it can make them feel "less than" since they may interpret it as them not being sexy enough. So maybe in the morning she was just feeling low and not in the mood for it really. It's hard to guess what battles someone is fighting inside. Anyways, you can't change the past. There isn't really a process for forgiveness either, I think you've just gotta take your lumps,…
/r/AllPillDebate14/05/23 12:47 PM
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IMO, the motivational model has changed and that's the root problem. The rhetoric I've been reading from women's spaces lately frames relationships as being "nice, but not something to be desired". From that model, "sitting on one's ass" is just a person living their life and not trying to make any snap crackle pop happen. Maybe if a man approaches and does his little mating dance thing she might be down to see how it goes, but there's no cause for proactivity. I've found that when there's a sor…
/r/AllPillDebate14/05/23 12:36 PM
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From what you said it sounds pretty innocuous but they say there's always three sides to a story. I guess the real question is what are you going to do differently in the future? Or, alternatively, what could you have done differently to protect yourself and your companion?
/r/AllPillDebate14/05/23 12:08 PM
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There is no paradise, just different types of hell. I genuinely think that SEA has something to offer some men who are into that. I'm not. Course I'm also fucked in the head, so there you go.
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 10:57 PM
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Because incels are also looked down on in the gynocentric hypersexual society we live in today already. Sure, but IMO, it's always been that way and it just hasn't changed. Going back to a system that has the same constraints doesn't make things better on that end. There's definitely an argument to be made that some men who are incels now wouldn't be an incel under a family values framework, but I think people longing for that are neglecting what it's like to live with a resentful wife. So much …
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 10:35 PM
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Yep, exactly. It's a really clumsy analogy, but people hate food analogies so let's do it. Imagine that I started BeetleButter, a peanut butter brand, and I didn't get any sales because it's already a full market and I didn't get a lucky break early on with my branding, so I shut down. Then, there's Chad's P-Butter. Chad's dad owns a grocery store and got his product placed on the shelf, even though it's objectively worse than BeetleButter. Once there's an income, though, Chad's P-Butter is able…
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 07:16 PM
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I can generally agree with this. Browsing around women's spaces, there's a common story around women getting a ton of harassment from men when they're in the 11-16 range, which is gross, but also speaks to how they're being received by the world during formative years. I don't think the harassment is beneficial in any way, but other people who aren't creeps are probably also swayed by the same factors into being more decent more kind, etc., than they would be towards young men of the same age. I…
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 06:05 PM
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Ah yes, the paradise of Saudi Arabia, perfect place to go girlfriend-hunting lol. That same structure keeping them a virgin is the same structure ensuring that I would never have a chance.
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 05:51 PM
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"Family values" rhetoric only fully enfranchises men who are, or will become, fathers, be it a father of a family, a business, a church, etc. If you don't become a father, you're worthless and disenfranchised. They preach supportive rhetoric about ideas like eliminating no-fault divorce to list a current one in the context of the US, but that just means you get to keep a resentful wife who is going to hate you for existing and create a dead bedroom type situation. IMO, the real matter is human d…
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 05:45 PM
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IMO, they're right to cry and seethe about unfair generalizations. The problem is that feminist philosophy, as it's practically understood outside of the ivory tower, simply does not understand men. It's a very incomplete philosophy in that sense, and people who don't have a good understanding (i.e. most people) fill that hole with bad takes. As an example, many leftists still assign a sense of hyperagency to men. People use the term "internalized misogyny" when a woman doesn't have the correct …
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 04:55 PM
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the vast majority of incel groups are based around hate I strongly disagree. There is a lot of resentment within incel communities, and that leads to a lot of moral high ground grandstanding, but I don't think incels are notably more hateful than the background population. I mean, look at figures like Gov Abbott, Trump, David Duke, etc. None of them are incels by any sensible definition. In the US, probably around a third of people subscribe to hateful ideologies, and incels are no different. In…
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 03:55 PM
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The biggest ethical battle, imo, is that the rich are going to get first dibs and they're going to make sure that every one of their children is literally superhuman. There's gonna be some holdouts, too, even when it becomes cheap enough for most people to do it. I suppose we can imagine what that will be like, to be a child of a holdout.
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 12:07 PM
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I'd like to think that I would be OK with being an orbiter in a polyship. I have been keeping my eye out for a high quality study of poly groups to see what the gender breakdown looks like, though - I'm very worried about the threat of polygamy rising up again. Bluepilled ignorance about the nature of human relationships makes it seem possible for polygamy to sneak back in.
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 04:10 AM
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Men's sexuality is terrifying, and dangerous. Women's sexuality is pixie dust and sprinkles. Or at least that seems to be the opinion of an awful lot of people who haven't had to be disabused of that notion. This is yet another example of that kind of thinking.
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 03:15 AM
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I'm not sure women get impactful compliments all that often, though. From reviewing what women generally say on this subject, they'll typically say that they receive few compliments if they aren't Stacy. My interpretation of this data is that they don't really register compliments if they don't already trust the person giving them. My explanation of this phenomenon is that no compliments are required to produce this. Most women are using a "dutch auction" algorithm to find partners, where they'r…
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 03:05 AM
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it is very taboo to even suggest that there is any actual motive for maternal infanticide and so it is commonly written off as if the woman was just experiencing psychosis or something. This is a great point! I can't imagine how one could even broach that subject without making someone very upset. It's hard to think that there could be a motive to be understood, but there really ought to be one, right? I do recall reading some articles in the past regarding indigenous amazonian tribes and their …
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 02:51 AM
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I see it similarly to how something like 40% of incels are autistic and then incels will claim only looks matter. It's technically true - if any given incel suddenly became a 10/10 lookswise, they probably wouldn't be an incel for much longer, but it's an oversimplification of a complex problem.
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 02:44 AM
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When it comes to discussing social concepts of desire with normies, I find that racism is usually the only piece that they are afraid to reject. I know it's of no comfort, but at least you have that going for you. Even the normies will admit that nonwhite people get kinda fucked over in the meat market.
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 02:41 AM
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Meh, we're a century away (at max) from unlocking embryo gene editing, assuming humanity doesn't end itself first. The practical way to go now is to just party it up before the massive ethical battles start being waged. Shame we aren't invited.
/r/AllPillDebate13/05/23 02:39 AM
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