Betelgeuzeflower Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
7	Women taunting after being interested before?	Outer Game	Betelgeuzeflower	/r/seduction	25/09/25 12:59 PM

Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
1	What should I do in this situation as I went on 2 dates with same girl but nothing happened ? Not easy? I have a bridge to sell to you..	/r/seduction	01/02/26 10:46 AM
3	Joining Salsa to Meet a Long-Term Partner Good Idea or Wishful Thinking? Just do it for the salsa. Whatever comes out of it is secondary. You might meet someone in a bar within a few years because she is impressed by your dancing skills, but do it for the dancing itself. Just have fun.	/r/seduction	14/11/25 09:49 AM
0	Emotionally immature men typically join the Manosphere. Heuristic, not hermeneutic..	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/25 04:02 AM
1	Women taunting after being interested before? How do I get more cognizant of these? I've been trying for years to get there.	/r/seduction	29/09/25 05:49 AM
1	Women taunting after being interested before? I'm a bit older and more accomplished than my classmates. They're bright people, only the current issue is somewhat of a letdown.	/r/seduction	25/09/25 08:01 PM
1	Women taunting after being interested before? I am at the point where what you say makes intuitive sense but also from experience. I'll make sure to ingrain it. Any other words of wisdom you may have I'll be grateful for	/r/seduction	25/09/25 08:00 PM
1	Women taunting after being interested before? Got it. So just move on?	/r/seduction	25/09/25 07:30 PM
2	Women taunting after being interested before? That's a pity.	/r/seduction	25/09/25 06:26 PM
2	Women taunting after being interested before? Gotcha. I do want to give them some attention though if they stop their shit.	/r/seduction	25/09/25 06:26 PM
1	Women taunting after being interested before? Thank you, I have done so before. So I'll just need to wait it out, or can I do something more proactive in this regard?	/r/seduction	25/09/25 06:25 PM
2	Women taunting after being interested before? Just for one night would be nice though. I'll just ignore otherwise.	/r/seduction	25/09/25 06:24 PM
3	On first dates that seem to go well, about how often are women inviting you back to their place? About 80%	/r/seduction	19/08/25 10:53 AM
2	How is it that I got most of my best girls while unemployed? I also got the most women when I used drugs on a daily or almost daily basis. Even rich preppy girls. It was fun to have multiple girls each week. Then I got sober and the well dried up a lot. I'm still handsome, and even more muscular than I was before. I'm still getting looks but less actual success. But serious me is too serious and rational apparently. Maybe I should do drugs again.	/r/seduction	19/08/25 10:49 AM
3	The hate on passport bros just proves that alot of women just dont want some men to be happy The logic still holds for them, though. If they are valued better elsewhere for whatever reason, why not go where you are wanted?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/25 02:33 PM
2	The hate on passport bros just proves that alot of women just dont want some men to be happy I think you are onto something. Buena suerte.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/25 02:31 PM
1	CMV: The reaction to the Tea App leak shows that western women don't like being held accountable It would be great if these whisper networks would exist vice versa too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/25 09:05 PM
–	Stop being emotionally vulnerable to women, your close male friends are the only ones who can actually handle it If you are acting like a weak crybaby, than people will get put off by that. It's disgusting, even though we all can have weak moments. It's up to you to navigate that and be strong. However, there are ways in which you can show emotional vulnerability. But it has to come from a position of strength. You need to show that you have conquered it, or that you can deal with it in grace. For example, I once heard a song which triggered some deep seated sorrow of losing my family. I was already in a t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/25 09:48 AM
0	The average woman has a lower libido than the average man This is just a social media trope. Women are actually way more and more often horny than men. It's just not socially acceptable to say it out loud.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/25 09:50 AM
2	The biggest problem in dating is not dating apps or generalizations, it’s that bad men get with good women and bad women get with good men. One of the normal replies, thank you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/25 10:04 PM
2	30s are perhaps the worst years to date (as a man) Van Wilder was right	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/25 05:39 PM
–	We need to improve urban planning and design to help mitigate (some of) the causes of the Male Loneliness Epidemic in America, Canada, and Australia. Another thing is that the internet has made information about what behaviour is abusive and toxic more available. There are many people who just don't find their family or so called friends acceptable anymore because they finally know they are being treated badly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/25 12:30 PM
5	Both genders would be happier if women did the approaching Which is why I talked about enforcement in the original comment. They just need to regulate it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/25 08:25 PM
5	Both genders would be happier if women did the approaching So they need to focus on better outcomes for society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/25 08:18 PM
7	Both genders would be happier if women did the approaching No, we just need to enforce better algorithms so there are less lopsided outcomes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/25 07:33 PM
2	Why Most Men Who "Give Up on Dating" Are Just Reacting, and not Thinking. Because a certain personality fits yours? Otherwise it's a random draw.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/25 02:24 PM
1	Why Most Men Who "Give Up on Dating" Are Just Reacting, and not Thinking. Most people are average and should just expect the average. A nice companion who fits.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/25 12:42 PM
1	What’s going on with the ‘older men mainly want younger women to manipulate them’ claim? It's the same self selection bias that happens for all those posts: almost every relation posted is awful, with age gap (in both directions) or without. That isn't saying a lot unless it is a sincere sample of the total population and if it's somewhat higher in incidence compared to other groups. With the amount of creative writing going on and as it's a wanted trope on reddit, I'd say it's not a meaningful sample.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/25 06:42 PM
1	Anyone getting more matches on Facebook Dating compared to Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, etc.? Oh, I can get the nerdy shy girls, they're amazing.	/r/seduction	17/03/25 08:53 PM
0	Anyone getting more matches on Facebook Dating compared to Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, etc.? Gutter quality	/r/seduction	17/03/25 12:36 PM
1	Many women are against men aged 30+ dating below 25 years old women because apparently the brain doesn't stop developing till you are 25. This is a total myth that has no scientific backing at all and it shows that only red pillars aren't the only ones to promote fake science. This is pretty much it. It is dating politics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 02:35 PM
2	Why game does not work for most people Yeah, I used to be a natural and learning 'game' fucked it up for a few years.	/r/seduction	07/02/25 07:44 PM
4	Madonna/Whore: the male dual mating strategy, and how women can protect themselves from male resentment It's about a value proposition. Many think that if a woman won't do the same sexual acts with you as with others, she thinks less of you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/25 03:10 PM
3	What’s the Point of Success If You’re Afraid of Women? There are levels to this. Some people are at the level they need a kick up the butt, others need a gentler approach. I think RSDJulian had a nice presentation about this.	/r/seduction	31/01/25 06:26 PM
4	Wasted 15 Years on Dating Apps With No Progress A year old by now. Nothing new?	/r/seduction	28/01/25 09:35 AM
17	Men are held to a higher/more rigid standard of masculinity than women are for femininity. As a whole, men need to shame those simps into oblivion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/24 11:23 AM
–	There is a Socially and Economically Oppressive Zeitgeist Against Young Gen Z Men. There is a lot of messaging in society that gets subconsciously integrated in the minds of men. That type of messaging is extremely damaging and needs to go. Then there are also a lot of systemic prejudices against men, such as in education. That further reduces opportunities for men and creates additional hurdles. The presence of individual responsibility does not negate a hostile environment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/24 02:21 PM
1	The issues with online dating could be solved with a better app The current business model incentivises the company to keep people as long as possible on the apps. It would be helpful if they had an incentive to actually pair up people. But at the moment the former seems to be more profitable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/24 09:44 PM
4	Women uphold “toxic masculinity” more than men do One of the most rational takes in this sub. How do you account for local optima and different sociatal strata?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 02:03 PM
6	The fact that the majority of blue pillers not only downplay but outright deny that women have become delusional in their standards or that there is a serious issue in dating is a huge red flag and tells you they are not interested in an honest debate At a certain point irrational actors in this market create a loss/loss situation for everyone, though. But yeah, agree that people should do whatever floats their boat.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/24 02:58 PM
1	“Watch what they do, not what they say” is just a tactic to paint women in a negative light. Exactly. It is warning and new for naive men though, who are overrepresented online.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/24 02:14 PM
1	The Reason Most People Don’t Enjoy Dating Is Women’s Unmanaged Expectations, and Top Men Who Exploit It Chasing the dragon	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/24 09:17 PM
-1	People should stop caring that some women want to fuck serial killers. That incel serial killer for example.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/10/24 08:20 PM
0	Why are there such different responses from telling men to have realistic standards vs women? That's not trauma bonding but bonding over trauma.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/10/24 12:28 PM
7	A case study into AITA’s gender bias (favouring women) and how it aligns with TBP And even if someone is able to do so, they can still act in bad faith to pursue some kind of goal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 04:18 PM
3	The attraction for age gap relationships seem one sided to me Do you want to raise me up as well? The last time I tried raising someone up she tried to put me down constantly. At the point where she thought I had raised her enough and she had put me down enough she left. My mistake obviously. But I have only met a minority of women that actually want to raise up their man. There are also those who want to fix someone, but that doesn't really count in that regard.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/24 06:48 PM
8	CMV: Males should stop walking away from marriage Cost/benefit analysis and risk management. It isn't worth it unless you're earning less than her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/24 06:12 PM
7	There is a difference between showing weakness and wallowing in self-pity all the time. With an ex of mine I once had a weak moment where I showed grief about missing my family (they are no longer around). She actually thought it was amazing, meanwhile I felt ashamed about feeling weak. After I regained composure she basically screwed my dick off. Idk, some forms of showing weakness might be strength. Being a whiny bitch isn't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/24 03:30 PM
5	Why do cheaters beg to keep the relationship? It can be a rational strategy, though. If you expect to get away with it you can get a higher value out of cheating and the relationship than with only the relationship. If you have morals that dictate it is wrong, that changes the equation a bit. Otherwise it is rational.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 12:49 PM
–	Hegemonic masculinity is criticized, except when it comes to a woman's dating preferences Is a woman's jouissance. They love to hate it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/24 10:43 AM
1	Q4W: Do you hold your female friends accountable for how they treat good men in a relationship? You are the company that you keep.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/24 01:34 PM
2	Not the apps, the people. No, the best thing would be an app that actually has an incentive to make people date successfully.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/24 04:14 AM
0	The real pill that explains modern dating in the West That substantial effort of labor in their families is always mentioned, but never substantiated. If the post war upper class is largely a myth, wouldn't the 'substantial effort' thrown around also not be worthy of scrutiny? Not saying that it is not a lot of effort, but quite maybe men also did more than is being said.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/24 02:50 PM
6	The real pill that explains modern dating in the West You don't seem to have read my short paragraph on the situation of men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/24 05:28 AM
5	The real pill that explains modern dating in the West No. I'll give you my graduate level napkin economics analysis of relationships. At this point, government and regulations have made it so that women don't need men as much as in the previous century. This is a process that is still progressing in favor of women. It is obvious that this ceteris paribus reduces the value of men. At the same time, women have increased in value compared to men. Women can be independent if they wish, can work and do whatever. This also diminishes the relative worth o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/09/24 09:32 PM
–	I think women could possibly be socialized to be more willing to date shy guys. 100%	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/24 03:10 PM
3	Blue pillers just don't want "unworthy" people to date or have relationships. You are projecting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/24 06:24 PM
7	If women are allowed to divorce their husbands for wanting paternity test, then this guy is justified in leaving his wife for wanting to look at his phone Some people do see it purely through a consumer lens.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/08/24 03:25 PM
–	It is worth sacrificing a marriage for a paternity test. Yes, exactly. Being wrongfully accused of such a thing is horrible. You're basically breaking down the basis of the relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 06:32 PM
1	The false idea that your spouse has to be your "best friend" makes many people prioritize finding an "interesting" spouse over other potentially good qualities and this likely leads to many broken marriages Sometimes you just have to find someone with whom you can make it work. That's all it is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 01:25 PM
7	CMV: (long) You'd see less guys flocking to the ''manosphere'' if people were honest about the unfairness of dating. How? Trp mainly says to man up, go to the gym, learn game and improve yourself. If you still fail that's shit but it is what it is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 11:34 AM
–	The problem with modern dating is that women are now in the driver seat but they don’t want to be there 10 years ago the apps were paradise. Still wondering what happened.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 11:30 AM
1	Why do i sometimes get asked if im gay? You should've fucked her. Because you didn't, she thinks you're gay. It's something women do if you're not showing them the interest they expect from you. Some even do so if you do not approach them.	/r/seduction	25/08/24 08:44 PM
3	Men are not disadvantaged by taxes This will be eye-opening to you, but many taxes or laws aim towards specific social groups in an indirect manner, not direct. You just need to see beyond the first layer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/24 01:33 PM
3	Declining birth rates can't be solved by government programs because beta males won't benefit from it In economic terms those other investments can still be regarded as opportunity costs. It's an umbrella term.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/24 11:45 AM
4	The Issue is Men This hits the nail on the head. Bravo.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 01:51 PM
1	Q4W: Would you be willing to receive no male attention at all, if it meant eliminating unwanted attention? That's a take I haven't seen before. Interesting. I'm wondering if you have any other unique takes that are related to that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/24 06:33 PM
5	Break down deadbeat/hobosexual game for me I wasn't even actively manipulating, I was just being a self-centered jackass.	/r/seduction	25/07/24 02:31 PM
3	Break down deadbeat/hobosexual game for me I don't know mate, I was plenty successful when I used drugs and alcohol. I Had upper class women paying everything for me and treated them somewhat like shit. I'm fairly attractive though. Now that I got my life together and treat people more nicely interest dropped off, though I lately see it picking up again.	/r/seduction	25/07/24 01:45 PM
1	The bar is on the ground for men is an incredibly toxic statement I am doing alright for rule 1 and 2 but dating is just depressing. I have my life in order and can do what I want. I just don't feel a partner would add anything, so why would I want to make an effort? The bar is on the floor goes both ways.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/24 05:58 PM
5	Red pillers see women as dishonest / out to get them / subhuman / only good for sex, because due to RPers own behavior / attitudes, they only attract bottom-tier, psychologically damaged women, which then reinforces their attitudes and causes them to attract even more of the same in an endless loop. I've found that many go to trp because they're hurt by one of those thrashy, damaged women and then generalize that experience towards dating and women. It is easy to stay stuck in that vicious circle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 06:43 PM
–	The Struggles of Gen Z Men: Facing Economic and Relationship Realities in the Modern World Exactly. This pill debate is a mind trap.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 01:54 PM
15	In order to really respect you, women need to see you as more terrifying and powerful than a bear. All those soft boys just have weak teddy energy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 10:47 PM
1	Do women often marry men that they don't passionately love? I'm honestly wondering if the Pareto principle would work on divorce stats. 20% of people are responsible for 80% of divorces as a rule of thumb, if it would.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/24 11:39 AM
1	Do women often marry men that they don't passionately love? There is a lot of "what things can I find that is wrong with this person", instead of "what do I like" or "what is the compatibility between us"? While ignoring red flags is always bad the first stance can be unconstructive and nitpicky, while the second stance promotes connection.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/24 11:36 AM
0	Deconstructing Dating: The Advantage of Men Calm down James	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/24 09:53 PM
–	Most men dropped out of dating pool, Testosterone Level dropping Only rational take	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/24 07:17 PM
2	But why is it kinda easy for girls to date girls? I wonder how those girls are behaving behind the scenes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 07:27 PM
–	Men are still expected to be the breadwinners in an age where young women out-earn young men [Resubmitted for wrong flare] In my druggy life I had a woman leave me some cash after a date and a lay. She was quite well off, upper class. I felt like a manwhore but somehow quite masculine. 😂 During that period I also dated women who had significant higher income, but didn't really mind paying for everything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 03:43 PM
2	If “your league is what you can get” then women are shooting too high for guys they can only get for casual sex I'll amuse myself whether it happens or not. :)	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/24 01:10 PM
7	If “your league is what you can get” then women are shooting too high for guys they can only get for casual sex Looking forward to the firesales when the bubble bursts!	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/24 10:00 AM
1	Humains might have courtship rituals, just like some birds. Fair enough. :)	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/24 12:06 PM
1	Humains might have courtship rituals, just like some birds. You're missing the /s	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/24 11:21 AM
1	The idea that women are naturally not attracted to most men or that they naturally have a weaker sex drive is nonsense. It's dating politics. Remember it is about what they do, not about the puritanical and victim image redditors want to paint.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/24 09:49 AM
–	"More women should make the first move" yeah, and it would still be like Tinder Yup. I even had some women tell me they want to have my children and still didn't get it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/24 09:03 AM
2	Truth be told, as delusional as women are a man’s greatest enemy is always going to be the desperation of other men. No matter how well your deck is stacked, if you have standards there is always going to be someone willing to work harder than you for less. You simply cannot compete with this. After several bad relationships at this point I'm not even sure if a partner would be anything but dead weight.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/24 08:38 PM
2	Late stage feminism leads to population collapse If you don't see force along economic and financial lines, yeah, we're not going to see eye to eye.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/24 07:47 PM
2	Late stage feminism leads to population collapse You're talking about taking away the reproductive rights of people but those economic and financial incentives will take it away in an indirect way. That defeats your first statement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/24 07:31 PM
2	Late stage feminism leads to population collapse Those thousands of years saw women have 10+ children in order to have them as a future retirement fund. Social welfare collectivized that. If you really think it will be that easy you will be in for a very rough awakening.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/24 07:15 PM
0	''You're a Creep Because The Brain Doesn't Develop Until 25'' Is A Myth They only say that because of dating politics. It's all just noise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/24 07:01 PM
7	Society looks the other way a lot more with women's toxic behavior in heterosexual relationships than with men's As someone who got raped at that age by someone in their 30/40s: the reality of it is fucking traumatic. It took years before I could feel some safety and intimacy during sex and it is still difficult sometimes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/24 10:53 AM
2	“women live life on easy mode” = men enabling women to live life ‘on easy mode’ Yep, many people fail to access the ROI of dating and I think for many it will be negative these days.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/24 09:51 AM
1	Men are not blindsided by breakups/divorce as much as they think Holding frame.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/24 09:08 PM
1	"Every woman is unique in their taste in men" no they aren't It's not encouragement, just a rational observation. The only way for men who have no chance is a war to reduce the number of men. Either that or they need to become like the Japanese men who are disengaged with society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/24 10:57 AM
2	A video of a group of girls dancing during Mardi Gras went viral on social media and provoked a strong reaction from some in manosphere. What are your thoughts on the controversy? Yeah, just a bunch of girls having fun. If people are outraged by this they seriously need to get back to reality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/24 08:06 PM
5	Late bloomer men should absolutely not date younger women Harsh and unhelpful describes 90% of posts in this sub.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/02/24 08:38 PM
1	Is it hypergamy or just inherent lower libido? Yep, forging alliances results in conservatism and patriarchy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/24 05:29 PM
2	Guys and watching porn It's the Madonna/whore complex. You can blame men for it but it is a real psychological complex which both sexes suffer from in their own particular idiosyncrasies. Other than that, porn as a habit is really shit. People should invest more in pleasing their partner than watch porn.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/24 11:15 PM
–	FEMTOW vs MGTOW..and the Decentering from men movement. Exactly. It's really sad how they're not what they say they are. If they're actually mgtow, they wouldn't even need the community, but would walk their own path in life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 10:05 PM
2	Is porn addiction a factor in how negatively women see the average man? Words aren't actions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/24 04:54 PM
3	Is porn addiction a factor in how negatively women see the average man? Yes, I was way more irresponsible and egocentric back then, somewhat a loveable asshole. I still have those traits somewhat, but now I'm more mature but stuck up. I'm still not certain this is the way regarding women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/24 12:40 AM
11	Is porn addiction a factor in how negatively women see the average man? Didn't have the money to share drugs back then. 😂 If anything, the girls paid for me a lot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/24 12:26 AM
33	Is porn addiction a factor in how negatively women see the average man? Idk, there were a lot of girls who liked me when I was addicted to drugs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/24 11:19 PM
1	Why do women really wait for dates? Does a woman making you wait longer for a date increase or decrease your interest? Facts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/24 12:29 PM