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DebateBetter_Librarian_494/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:24 AM
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It's like this because there's no corrective element for women's behavior except for other women. And once they're broadly on the same page about supporting each other vs judging one another, it's done. So long as most women love to see another woman thrive at a man's expense, it'll be like this. There's no meaningful number of women to simply say "Don't do that, that's wrong, that's unfair, that's rude, that's wasteful," etc. Scolds have their place in society because they keep impulsive and in…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:26 PM
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but I've never found that to justify then viewing men as a whole as subhuman. Many women do, is my point. You're right, but the world is full of wrong. That's all I'm saying to you. assuming that not dating a man = viewing him as subhuman. If you have seen the way women talk about short men, broke men, any kind of man they don't want, I think you should be able to understand that assumption. Men aren't going to be any better than women on this. I'm sorry you've been harassed and mistreated. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:11 PM
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I'm responding to your claim that men are conflating. Yet you agree it exists. You don't know what has been said or done to these men. All you know is what you've seen. And as a woman, you're not going to get a front row seat to what other men are dealing with. Many women aren't hateful, true. But there's plenty that are. And how they treat people is entirely dependent on how they feel about them. You don't know how much hate is in your friends or family if you've never seen them in a position t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:32 PM
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Women want men to compensate for the brokenness among them. As if we have the power to make all the bad men get out of their beds.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 01:30 PM
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It has nothing to do with cheating or the past. In the present, women only deal with the men they want to deal with. If you don't like the men you're talking to, cut them off. It's not other men's fault that you don't want loyalty enough to pick men that are going to be loyal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:46 PM
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Therefore it says a lot more about men that women have these sites It says a lot about the minority of men that dating women give their time to. I thought men “naturally” want to sleep around and aren’t faithful That's the men the women like. How is it a negative implication about women that men play the field and they seek to verify it? It's a negative implication that women speak to untrustworthy men, know it, and instead of going for the complete opposite types, they just try to create a veri…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:44 PM
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Ah, Hank Green, I didn't recognize you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:40 PM
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Women don't usually keep their opinions of men they don't want that mild. Women talk about unattractive men like they're trolls in a cave that need to be slain. They hate the men they don't want. They want them gone, they want them away, they want them to be handled so that they never have to deal with them again.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:40 PM
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Having female friends in your early adult life will really show you how inherently different your existence as people are. This part. I think the thing that really makes these conversations hard is that men are usually paying attention more and for longer than women/girls have. Women don't notice this stuff until it's thrown in their face and they have to deal with it. Until that point, most assume that everything with other people is fine if everything is fine with them. You see it in the way s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:37 PM
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Is that really why you're getting a mastectomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:32 PM
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And if we're not useful enough, then we're broken utilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:38 AM
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he's an incel redpill loser who has the lowest possible opinion of her for having sex The language you use to describe a man that just might have a mild judgment is very telling. But it supports my point about most women hating to feel judged, even slightly or by proxy. the chances she'll sleep with him again become much, much lower, If she's serious about herself, it'd just be a flat zero. I'm not touching someone that's judging me in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:34 AM
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Provided that you're speaking about the men "on here" like in the OP, there's not much I can really say. Because the perspective on women here is very bleak, and there's lot of nasty back and forth that reinforces the negative attitudes. That said, I'll give my two cents on the incels. And of course, their primary and often only desire from women is sex What else is there to desire from people that want nothing from or for them? For the ones here who have never had sex, women are a hostile myste…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:17 AM
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Women see men not arguing or disagreeing with men who shout these things as facts so it can be assumed y'all agree with them. It's assumed that there's no point arguing with them when it's women who decide who's right. If Mr. Chads-&-Staceys gets the time of day, then red pill is right. If Mr. Respect-Women-Juice gets the time of day, then that's what's right. If women want dumb men, then dumb is right. If women want smart, then smart is right. If women don't want any men, then no man is right. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:50 AM
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Though I guess if this were the case many men just wouldn't pursue anything with women anymore The "juice isn't worth the squeeze" talk isn't coming from nowhere. I think a lot of men (not on this sub) are politely sitting on a lot of baggage that there is no socially acceptable way for them to unpackage. Things they've seen, been done to them, had to endure, etc. blah blah blah. And they're learning that their outlooks on life, on love, on partnerships, are not shared by their counterparts. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:32 AM
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Neither behavior makes sense or should be encouraged. I agree, I just didn't want the opposite to go unmentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:27 AM
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Many seem to think of people as easily predictable biological machines. Well, if they keep doing predictable things and repeat the same ideas in the same ways, oftentimes unprompted, it's going to give a bad impression of how unique people are. No way in hell can somebody decide to do something more than what their instincts tell them to. In this space, that is all that the women ever tell them. And they're told to go stuff it if they don't like that. To me acknowledging humanity means acknowled…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:24 AM
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You're assuming she even like white dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:12 AM
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I think most young men are alienated from their humanity. I'm sure they see themselves as people, but that's just a word. It's the concepts behind it that you need to be more worried about. What does humanity mean to an isolated, largely unloved, untouched, undesired, unseen, person? Sounds like a burden or a curse. That's why you see so much stress and Blackpilled thinking. They feel stuck in something they can't get out of. And all the intellectualizing and game-ifying is them rattling their c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:10 AM
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Women are people. But it seems like women tend to think that that entails more positive feelings than it tends to. Just because someone recognizes your humanity doesn't mean they'll trust you, or like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:06 AM
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I listen to women all the time. And most men have to learn not to listen to women. I try to listen to whoever has the most reason to be honest and has the firmest grip on reality. That varies from situation to situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:50 AM
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It's only ironic if you think women actually care what the men they're sleeping with think of them. They just want to not have to think about it, it doesn't matter what the man really thinks. They're not asking a lot of questions. They don't want a man that honestly sees them as blameless, they don't need to, just one that wears the mask well enough for them to get their rocks off without feeling like they're gross for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:44 AM
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women didn't create the male sex drive. They created/create the modern dating culture. I had a friend who was dating this short hella autistic nerd not too long ago and she found out he was going to prostitutes on the side even though they were fucking regularly so yeah men will also just go pay for it if they can't find a willing cheating participant. This is on multiple levels not your problem. A cheating man going to a prostitute is actively removing himself from the dating pool. He's literal…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:41 AM
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men being bitter about some women sleeping around and then blaming all women for this behavior is similar to women having poor experience with some men and then hating all men for that.' They do that. It's not right, but it's not like being wrong ever stopped them. We do not hold responsibility for what other women are doing. True, but who is "we"? It's hardly a rare thing to find a woman that likes a hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:31 AM
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Men aren't the ones arguing that women don't like casual sex. Women are. Talk to your sisters, bro. Men know that women fuck around at their leisure and don't think hard about it. This isn't a revelation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:27 AM
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That's not completely true. It's largely true for the city girls, the socialites, the women who go to bars every weekend. But there are women who are both not in a relationship, and put off by anything that isn't a committed one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:15 AM
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men consistently tell us that they want to "spread their seed" and fuck as many women as possible by their nature Those men are sick. And they're making excuses for impulsive unevolved behavior. naturally monogamous This is an oxymoron. Nobody's naturally monogamous. Monogamy is a reflection of values and choices that human beings make consciously in order to prioritize romantic partners and commit to certain mutual expectations of each other. That's not nature. It's culture. women are simply tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:12 AM
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hot dirtbag is dicking her down well while she keeps him a secret Slumming it, is the term I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 01:59 AM
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They probably genuinely thought they was the only one Even if this is the case, and I would agree that it usually is, all it does it show that women aren't intentionally sharing men. They're still overlapping enough that they have to network with each other to avoid those men. Which carries its own negative implications about women. The kinds of men they want are predictable enough that they need dedicated spaces to keep track of who they're talking to is talking to. It's a bad look.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 01:58 AM
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I'm asking her what she gets out of it. The women I've been with had their own motivations. Most of which I don't look back on fondly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 10:42 PM
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Why are you like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 10:18 PM
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Thank you for sharing your deep introspection.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 10:14 PM
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What's the point of wanting more than looks if you're just going to toss them out afterward anyway? Like explain what else you're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 10:11 PM
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You just love him for his money
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 09:12 PM
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I mean, it's arguable how handsome Matt Smith is, but I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:30 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:28 PM
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I am honest about everything I say.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:27 PM
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What makes it so crappy?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 01:26 PM
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I get the feeling you don't like Marx for some reason
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 12:44 PM
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It's ironic that you're reacting like a Manchurian candidate to a book recommendation
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 11:55 AM
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Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 10:09 AM
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You're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:34 AM
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I asked her what the fuck was wrong with her. But she was like "Shhh, I don't want to hear it right now".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:22 AM
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I also don't really get why people wanting to sleep with you is seen as the ultimate goal. I've seen men here and heard men in real life say awful things about women they've slept with who they didn't even find attractive. For many people, it's genuinely preferable to be hated than to be invisible. For someone that goes through life feeling like the world barely registers their existence I can see the appeal of having a women feel strongly enough about them that they not only had sex with them, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:20 AM
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I don't think she's watched UFC, but she really likes other sports and I can imagine it's for similar reasons. Did she tell you it turned her on I think she said something like "Yum" when they started hitting each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:05 AM
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Women also like anime, there's nothing unique about its appeal. But that said, there is an argument for why anime isn't off-putting to men specifically. And I think it mostly comes down to not triggering insecurities. That's the real rub of engaging with any kind of media that centers a general ideal of what women are attracted to for men, it's being exposed to what women actually want them to be. Most men are not going to be any woman's fantasy, most men aren't ever going to come close. And man…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 01:09 AM
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First off, you're too damned young to be on here drinking this poison. You need to find something less mentally scarring to doomscroll over. Learn some history, read some Marx, go outside, do anything but be on here. As to your question. How likely/unlikely is it to find love as a man? It's not something that can be easily quantified, but I don't think it's the right approach to put the end outcome ahead of the process. The end outcome is a successful relationship that lasts a lifetime, that bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 12:53 AM
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There's a difference between saying "having a society with millions of dissatisfied people means problems" and "women have to fuck men or else". One is a reasonable prediction that's in line with history, regardless of the reason why they're dissatisfied. The other is a threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 02:18 PM
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They'll think you're one of them depending on the thread you're on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 01:49 PM
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I consider opening doors to also be good manners
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 01:05 PM
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You've got spicy opinions yourself, maybe you'll attract them at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 01:02 PM
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Because you spend your time arguing with the men who are told these things rather than with the women who are saying them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 12:30 PM
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Do you not sleep?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:25 AM
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“basic empathy to a woman and men can go fuck themselves nothing happens to them anyway” You're better than most on this issue, cause I do actually see opinions that amount to exactly that. The "misandry isn't real" people absolutely come out the gates with takes like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:17 AM
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They act as if they are called on to be pleasant to people that are hostile to them. It's not healthy to see women as hostile, but I'm not going to pretend like I don't understand the feeling of "I'm overextended for ungrateful strangers, I need to pull back". Because that's the general dynamic between men and women. Women expecting a lot of upfront with no reciprocity. I don't draw the line on basic manners, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:15 AM
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The entire debate is "I will hurt you because you won't date me". Where is this the debate? I don't see a "women need to fuck us or else" thread on this sub anywhere. If that's an implication you're feeling, that's one thing, but I don't see anyone making this pitch here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:10 AM
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It makes more sense that men are bad at sex than women are psychic or some how to blame for men's failings Having a disappointing sex life is on whoever's involved. If you're not having the sex you want, you need to work on finding a partner that works for you. But that wasn't my point, just that how women feel about sex is reflective of the partner's they choose. Do you think people walk about telegraphing hpw they are at sex? Nah, I personally like it to be a surprise. But there are character …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:02 AM
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Since when is asking a question a strong opinion?! You did it in a smarmy way which highlights your unstated opinion. How does arrogance immediately say they'll be bad in bed? Being uncompromising in a situation that involves at least two people is a recipe for someone getting deprioritized.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:58 PM
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Are they? Like what? Arrogance for one. But in general, they don't like men with any kind of anxiety or neuroticism. They like people that act on instinct. And instinct can lead to you and your needs getting steamrolled by someone that only cares about what they want and never cared to learn that other people had wants/needs that should be met. I dont have sex with lots of men. I dont have any bad sex. Then why the strong opinions about how bad men are at sex? You've never sampled the buffet, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:37 PM
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That analogy has always been a pet peeve of mine, it's an oversimplification of either the man or the woman's situation. I've been partial to a kind of "Men are in the forest, women are in a swamp" analogy. Neither really knows what's around the corner, but the guy generally knows that he has to look hard for anything he finds and it still might make him sick. The women are surrounded by bad water, but it's fresh and all they have to do is filter it and they'll never be thirsty. The guys have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:32 PM
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That guy's radio voice caught me off guard. And while I concede your point, I would never call that woman a natural beauty. She's paler than a vampire and her face barely moves. I won't lie and say that I'd be automatically put off by her looks though. Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:26 PM
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No. Lots of the men you have sex with are bad at sex. Women are attracted to a lot of selfish traits and habits that translate to being deprioritized in the bedroom. If you want to have good sex so bad, maybe talk to a guy who knows how to listen when you speak and gives a damn about how you feel about things. It's really that simple. But if you're not drawn to that, you're going to suffer. The guy who's worried about coming off wrong or is a little cautious about touching you is also the guy wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:22 PM
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and don't get me started on how free of charge are plastic surgeries, botox, facelifts, hialuronic acid, etc etc None of these are necessary, nor reasonably affordable for most people at all. Most men find these things highly unattractive. And unlike with make-up, they do know the difference between natural and "natural". really? you think someone hands us clothes, make up, skin care products, nails, hair removal sessions, monthly dye, haircuts Clothes make women attractive to other women. Almos…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:11 PM
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Not a literal couple, she treated a friend or two as well as herself. She was very generous. The drinks were still pricey (but I think all alcohol is expense, so I got a sprite), but not 30 bucks a glass. no they don't they pay rent and food as much as women do. Yes, but women don't need money to be attractive. Money is social currency for men to be accepted into spaces that they will otherwise not be welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:02 PM
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Are these woman complaining about a bad sexual encounter and then returning to the same man who was involved repeatedly? It's more the case that I see women having similar encounters with similar men. Men with similar builds, attitudes, hang-ups, prejudices, and then get similar results. They'll feel used, they'll feel ignored, then they'll generalize those feelings to men who are nothing like the ones they're inviting to their place. That's what I've seen in my own life. Online, it's more extre…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:59 PM
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Very true, and that goes for most dating discourse. The only thing that's ever worth talking about (as far as what gets attention) is dysfunction. And as far as dating dysfunction goes, that's what my impression is of the women's positions. If they weren't like that, they probably wouldn't be talking as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:53 PM
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I've seen men here complain about friendships being useless. I think this comes from the men who say this as either looking for a means to an end through their relationships and friendships don't ensure that they'll get anything else that they want. Friends are good for people who value the company of others and simply want to enjoy doing things with them. And for a lot of reasons, a lot of guys will come to mindsets where "if it's not about sex or money, it's not about me". Because their goals …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:48 PM
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Men don't understand that a lot of the sex available to women isn't worth having, and refuse to accept that bad sex can be worse than loneliness. I think the pushback to the idea is more about women talking out of both sides of their mouth on the subject. Women who repeatedly have hookups complaining about the sex they have with their hookups. And then simultaneously using the lackluster sex as a reason to discriminate against more men while continuing to have mediocre hookups with who they find…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:41 PM
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Stop cussing at me, it's rude. But you don't seem to have many manners anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:35 PM
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We're in the same space for a reason, hun.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:33 PM
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You're very brainwashed, and you're going to take whatever shortcut you can find to the opinion you already have. I have given you the answer you asked for, good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:31 PM
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You want to be ignorant and are frustrated that insight into how men lives their lives only disturbs you. You can't shake the discomfort because you can only accept a man who's as thoughtless about his place in the world as you are. That's my takeaway from this discussion. Because if you're offended at/judge men have to try, of all things, that's the only explanation I can come up with for how someone arrives at an opinion that twisted. It's like old money judging new money for having to work fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:22 PM
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Well then it sounds like you need to get to know people better before you cut them off.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:15 PM
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Capitalist society is structured to intentionally funnel wealth into more and more concentrated numbers of people. If you structure a different kind of society, with a different incentive structure and ways of organizing economic production, wealth will not concentrate into a minority but would be continuously spread out in the wider society in a loop. Workers get the money for what they make, they make what they spend on, ad infinitum. In capitalism workers do not get the money for what they ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:14 PM
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Princess Save-the-Incels. The amount of mental gymnastics you have to do to equivocate two very different things can't be healthy. "Incels" are whichever men women don't like, respect, and want to insult. and definitionally they aren't adapting to anything in their environment, they're just alone and sad. Red pill is about cultivating an image that is as far from the above as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:06 PM
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How do you even ask that question in response to mine? It's a non-sequitur. All men, who are interested in having romantic relationships with women, are under pressure to become attractive to women. How deliberate they are in becoming attractive is their own business, but making that a conscious choice is red-pill. Not everyone makes it a conscious choice, but it's what they're pushed to do regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:05 PM
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I'm talking about platonic socialization as well. You mean the idea that having female friends is useless?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:55 PM
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who thinks I'm basically a child unless I'm being paid to I'm going to assume that you didn't finish this sentence and ask you to finish the idea, cause I'm confused by what you mean. Also I think we both know TRP is more than that. I know that there's a messy mix of ideas that overlap in who thinks what and does what. That doesn't change that Red Pill is simply men adapting to dating norms that they aren't served by. So they adjust their behavior to get what they're looking for. If you have a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:54 PM
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You feed the beast you hate. But that's nothing new with women. Because you can't really tell which men are TRP. Well yeah, that's because the essence of "red pill" is "be attractive to women on your own terms to independently get what you want out of life". If you like independent minded men who are working on themselves, of course you can't tell the difference. Any woman looking for that is looking for men who fit the description.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:42 PM
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No that's not how wealth redistribution works.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:38 PM
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The mere existence of TRP has made me think less of the male gender as a whole. And why is that? Do you expect men to spend no time or thought on figuring out what they want in life and how to get it? I'm not red pill, but I don't walk around being offended it exists just because.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:34 PM
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If treating women worse actually made them change their priorities, we'd already be living in a utopia. I don't make evolutionary psychology based arguments, but there is a very real cultural experience that women have lived through for the last few thousands of years of organized society. Women have been sold. They have been beaten. They have been talked down to and taught that they are possessions. And this has happened in most places at some time to some degree. And there has never been this …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:28 PM
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There is nothing about being a good person that makes women attracted to you romantically. It makes them feel comfortable talking to you, makes them feel safe in your presence. But at the end of the day, it just meets those specific emotional needs and frees them up to look for less meaningful connections on the side to get their rocks off. Women generally don't try to get their needs met by one person. That's what many men do, it has its own drawbacks, but one thing it doesn't do is create plat…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:15 PM
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It's a thing, for whatever damn reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 10:43 PM
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You're a lucky pair then. Most of the bi women I've known haven't been nearly as intentional about how they think and engage with relationships. Good luck to you, and I hope I find someone who thinks like you on this. Your attitude is a nice change of pace. Good luck to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:42 PM
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The whole toxic attracts toxic is an empty platitude when it comes to the guys women choose to date. It's not empty, you just don't feel comfortable judging them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:39 PM
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Lmao, you're really invested in this
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:36 PM
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Straight women don't have that kind of reference point. This is making excuses for hypocrites. They don't need a girlfriend to know what they wouldn't accept being asked of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:35 PM
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Arielle Scarcella I forgot about her. I think she used to be a big atheist? Very familiar face. Milo Lol Edit: Milo always reminded me of Rotha Orman. Fascist, gay, and politically cannibalized by their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:28 PM
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I should hope so. And I'm not saying that bi women aren't queer at all, just that... I don't think they're any man's salvation from patriarchal expectations. Some of the most retrograde women I've ever met have been bisexual. I think people ascribe too much intention to the politics around sexuality. Women aren't usually bi or lesbians to make a statement, they just like other women. There's no ideology that necessarily comes with that, even if it should in most places.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:18 PM
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There's an argument that bisexuals aren't very queer in the grand scheme of things. Especially ones that date men. If they wanted to push the envelope that bad, they probably wouldn't have a boyfriend in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:11 PM
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Wanting someone to meet your standards isn’t more entitled than thinking, “I did the work, where’s my relationship?” It is though. You just sympathize more with one than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 01:22 PM
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Men liking women that "aren't like the other girls" is an age old trope. Women that stick out in a positive way get more attention. And you trying to argue about it just makes it seem like you're here in bad faith. Take the advice or leave it. I'm moving on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 12:24 PM
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You can't make men view you as special. Untrue. The first step is to individuate. You have to screen for men who do. You can't do that if your screening process is the same as every other woman in your area/space. Unless you are doing something special, odds are people aren't going to see you as special. Cookie cutter approaches to life get cookie cutter results. Trying to change men who don't think you are special and willing to half ass fuck you is a terrible strategy. Trying to make an impact…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 12:07 PM
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If you want to be seen as special, you have to do things that make you look special.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 11:57 AM
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Men have to learn what "normal" looks like, and that's hard without life experience. I just want to emphasize this. There is no cultural script for a good interpersonal relationship between a man and a woman. There is sometimes an outdated cultural script for a good romantic relationship, but even that's dying out. Without a blueprint, people do whatever until it either blows up in their faces or they come to their own conclusions. I used to spend a lot of time with two girls, and we were all yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:21 PM
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As you should.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:15 PM
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Funny how easy it is to slander somebody, huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:13 PM
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They try to reap without sowing and wonder why there's no crop to harvest.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:12 AM
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You're making the assumption that the woman is applying a reasonable standard and that her feelings are accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 05:32 PM
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Thank you for making my point quicker.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:07 PM
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They're overlooking them. they're ignoring a vast pool of “good guys” in favor of bad boys. They're ignoring a vast pool of all guys. many of the men who struggle with dating aren’t expressing a desire to be a great husband and father, to be emotionally present, generous, or committed. Men who are alone and ignored by you/other women aren't going to go on the internet and fantasize about making you happy. Instead, many posts focus on how other men have it easier, not that they themselves are gre…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:59 PM
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whether someone wants to be hit on by a guy who can’t take no for an answer. You're adding in details to the hypothetical to sane-wash the idea. Sometimes women don't like men talking to them regardless of whether they can take a no.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 12:55 PM
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You do realize not every woman goes to kink parties right? You seem to be very fixated on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 12:48 PM
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They’ll go to venue half naked then act like a man so much as looking in their direction is a violation of their sacred chastity. Some women have this kind of Diana Complex where they are simultaneously ambivalent to men in the abstract, but deeply punitive to their prescence in practice, mostly want the company of other women, and don't seem to care about the double bind they create for other people. If you didn't want someone to see you naked, bathing in the spring, don't be naked in the middl…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 12:43 PM
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No, because a public place is a shared space. A civil approach isn't harassment no matter how unwanted it is, so long as whatever boundaries established afterwards are respected. When women skip the establishing of boundaries and claim that they should be assumed or are unspoken, they're trying to force an unequal social contract between themselves and strangers which will inevitably be broken. Expecting people to treat you like a 17th century noble and assume they have no right to speak to you …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 12:40 PM
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You're welcome. And it sounds you two have something special. Wish you the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:14 AM
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a shorter relationship would result in less baggage, No. My whole point is that the whole idea is overly simplified because people can't deal with how varied and contextual the emotions involved in how people bond actually are. The baggage is worse, the more you cared. And the more you care about how much you cared. And the more you resent why you cared and the more you hate what you cared about. And all to the degree that you do these things in each individual case. Some people can have sex wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 01:20 AM
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but why does the baggage grow with sex, but not grow without sex? That's what I said in the last paragraph, I think it absolutely does. how can it simultaneously also not have any affect on how attractive the guy is to her? But I have no clue what you mean with this part.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 01:02 AM
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You say we and our a lot and I get that since you two are a unit now. But back then, how much of this was mutual and how much of this was you getting on a page he was already on? Edit: Or vice versa. I'm showing my bias here, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 12:52 AM
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I don't think the pair bonding idea is about having sex, it's about the emotional fall out of having sex with someone that you then go on to break up with/cut off/actively dislike/hate/are afraid of. It might not be explained that way, but I think that's because of the limitations of the people spreading the idea. It's basically an idea that baggage grows with each attempt at a relationship, each hookup that goes nowhere, each time you're vulnerable with a person that will ultimately not matter …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 12:41 AM
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What changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 12:32 AM
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Because in real life, most women do actually have some options. And there are many ways to be attractive. Options might not come up as often as is liked, they might need to go to different spaces to find or be found, but women have fair chance to find men that are into them. Whatever they look like, most normal women have a shot with a normal man. You don't need DDD's, a perfect face, and weigh 90 pounds to be noticed. Beauty is more relevant to being judged and valued outside of basic sexual de…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 12:18 AM
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Well some of them prove me wrong. I'd like to see more, thank you very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 11:53 PM
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Look, if it's that important to you, I can't take that away. I can't make anyone see this differently if they don't want to. I won't fight you about it. But seeing interactions like this is why I mentioned height in my earlier answer. Most women feel like this to some degree, and most women aren't budging on it. You can't be surprised if guys who don't clear that hurdle come into adulthood feeling trapped with no options. If women having to crane their necks up to see their partner's face makes …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 11:24 PM
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neutral and everyone should be with their equivalent lol That's not neutral, that's proportionate. Neutral is worrying about other traits entirely and rendering height as irrelevant to dating as the shape of your ears or nose or eyelashes. Most people are less than 7 feet tall and and most people are above or just short of 5 feet tall. This is the normal range of height in human beings. And discriminating within it is just primitive. I don't think people should be matched up according to height,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 11:11 PM
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Height is probably the one I see the biggest amount of agreement on with women. Even the mildest opinions on it are still some version of "I prefer a man that's taller than me" or "I don't care that much but tall is nice". Expectations around money are a bit more varied, but the majority opinion is still on the side of "have more than or as much as me". Which in an economy that's propped up on stilts, is not something that's going to inspire a lot of hope in men, especially young ones who do not…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 09:55 PM
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One thing that I notice and sympathize with is the convergence of opinion among women on certain topics. I think that's what does the most damage. When men feel that they don't have a lane, they're liable to lose their shit a little. That's what I think creates the siege mentality and draws them to the pseudoscience. The internet allows for trends to bubble up and spread in a way that's fast. (you can argue about how organic it is because we know that algorithms push certain types of content ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 09:46 PM
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Yeah, this Darwinian idea that just because what a guy does gets him laid means he's doing something "right" needs to die. Sometimes people don't do well in dating because of personal problems, sure, but sometimes the culture simply isn't in a place where you're going to do well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 12:12 PM
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Nah, arguing with women online is a bad use of my time and it's bad for my soul. Sorry for the inconvenience I've caused. I hope you have a good night.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 01:37 AM
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Make up a narrative? Do you even read what women say about men? How they respond to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 05:59 PM
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There is no official feminist position. There is only prevailing opinion. And the prevailing opinion on men is that they should give more, demand less, be contrite and defer to women in all things.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 05:54 PM
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If masculinity is defined as "anything a man does that women desire and benefit from" all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 05:46 PM
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It's the summation of many strains of discourse around what men's roles are supposed to be, as said by women who don't have to perform any of those roles or think about what effect they have on those that do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 05:44 PM
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And just to respond to that very interesting hypothetical. I think it would have been better for Afghanistan in the short term, but there's no telling what would happen if the Soviets still got dissolved. I think it would depend on which part of the Afghan Communists managed to stay in power. The more academic side of the movement would probably be better about corruption, but have a terrible time staying in power. The Parcham faction wasn't popular outside of the cities and even with Soviet sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 05:08 PM
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Wouldn't work. That's drama about how the world effects you. Just makes you look weak and affected.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 04:33 PM
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That is because projecting weakness and vulnerability is unattractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 04:28 PM
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I saw it. And my answer is that it has very little to do about protection. It's just a euphemism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 04:06 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 03:46 PM
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There is no preference regarding women that is acceptable to speak at length about. The idea of scrutinizing women at all is considered offensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 03:32 PM
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How did you two find each other? Cause I need this
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 03:30 PM
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I did not say the word protection. (one more point to the Bot hypothesis)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 03:29 PM
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Privacy is a big one. Women live for interconnection, no matter how toxic or unnecessary it might be. When men are self-contained, manage their problems internally and keep to themselves, it doesn't give them anything to bounce off of. They're entertained by drama, and if there's no drama, you may as well not be a person. A person that has no narrative for them to latch onto is basically a stage-prop. For people that lack curiosity into other's internal lives, minding one's business is a signal …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 03:27 PM
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What is a deep conversation to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 03:15 PM
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They want a man that's bigger than them so they can feel dainty and kept.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 02:48 PM
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And what do you think that means for men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:38 AM
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I need paint on the canvas, Leo. What did he say and was it different than what you're hearing here?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:38 AM
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What happens when half your group has no trust in you or what you say?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:29 AM
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And when you experienced this, what did you do? Did you ask your partner about it? Did you ask him the question in the post? Paint the picture for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:21 AM
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So even you are disconnected from your complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 12:56 AM
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Is someone choosing porn over you right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 12:32 AM
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Why do men (spare me the “men are not a monolith” rhetoric. I’m speaking in generalities) think these actions wouldn’t make the woman they’re with insecure? Because they're not entertaining actual women. Nobody has an affair with porn. Exes are another thing, and no man tells women that they're insecure about an ex being around unless they are playing defense. It's women who have their exes around and try to make it not a big deal. If you’re always pining for other women and novelty I'm pining f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 12:24 AM
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For love. But I doubt you'd understand the concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 12:20 AM
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It's the women that look for a protector. I just want to be a person. honestly don't think men should protect me I agree that it shouldn't be their job. like why would they? But I don't agree that there's no reason to protect women. Life is precious, human life especially. We should all have a higher stake in each other's wellbeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 07:41 PM
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You certainly feel safe enough to say that, so it can't be that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 07:33 PM
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It uses your phone's camera app, just us an ai picture of a 6/10 normal looking woman. I've got Faceapp, I'd just use a genderswap. But it's not a bad idea. And hey, if the people your area are as you describe - you could have a TON of content to post here. I'm not interested in making women look worse. But it'd be nice to know if they were actually using it to help each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:31 PM
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They are the excuse, or they would be in this hypothetical Egotistical women don't need to justify themselves to anyone because no one punishes them for overstepping. No one shuts women down when they're making themselves look bad. Maybe if it turned into a network for getting women contraceptives, it'd get shut down or criticized. Productive things get roadblocks. But not if they're just being awful people. If anything, it'd be an even more efficient content farm for rage-baiters.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:10 PM
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I think the idea with men is even if women didn't have those problems, they'd still make the app.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:49 PM
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For all the talk about "tops" and "bottoms" and the implied social scripts, it seems more like a joke or something strictly related to sex. I don't want to say that men compartmentalize more, but it seems like it sometimes. But overall, yeah it's superior masculinity because it can contain any and all parts of it. And it seems that most women do not understand how to relate to that at all, nor do they desire to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:37 PM
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It precludes from having approached with all the social baggage that's placed on men. It's not just going up to people and saying "You're cute, I like you, blah blah blah." Women think half of us want to kill them and stuff them in a trunk and the other half are scrum-ugly. No woman has approached a man with that kind of weight placed on their words and presence. It's simply not the way things are. I don't usually speak in absolutes, but this is probably the closest thing to 0% of the time. Most…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:32 PM
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True. But if the bait wasn't believable, it wouldn't catch on. There's something about the relationships between men and women where men find it more likely that women are collectively shit talking, belittling, dehumanizing, and basically appraisal-auctioning them than just trying to avoid ending up dead in a ditch. And women need to work on that. Cause it happens enough that I can't say that guys are making it up. The best defense I can ever give is that some women will use it in an honest way.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:23 PM
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Ah, the Commonwealth of Go-Fuck-Yourself-And-Be-Poor
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:20 PM
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You do mean the women as well, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:19 PM
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Can you explain more how you go from women are are in abusive relationships” to “it’s not a guy’s fault he is single I think the idea is two parts: First, that men can only have relationships if they are chosen by women, Second, that women generally do not choose men based on respectable criteria. The idea is that a man cannot be blamed for not being a bad person and that women are generally attracted to bad people. To succeed in one part of life, they must fail in another. To become attractive,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:13 PM
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As is yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:10 PM
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You have no grounds to say that. You're not a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:05 PM
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What area is this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 01:57 PM
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You should, transparency would be helpful
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 01:54 PM
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it's not really a great game Nope, but it scratches an itch. I've always enjoyed Victoria 2 and Crusader Kings more, personally. somewhat accurate tribes and local Deities. Any interesting inconsistencies that come to mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 10:08 PM
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That's a kinder answer than I expected. I agree wholeheartedly. For what it's worth, women shouldn't have to have their guards up the way they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:34 PM
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The word "single" is pulling a lot of weight in my comment. Men and women who are married are out of the discussion. Their needs are (presumably) met and don't have much of a voice in the dating online talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 03:42 PM
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Most women are ust going through the motions of what feels/looks/sounds like what they're used to. And that tends to look unfeminist. But that's not the same as patriarchal, as these women are exercising a lot of cultural power and authority, they're just not conscious actors in doing so. It's privilege without thought. And that leaves men pantomiming an ideal that doesn't fit their actual circumstances. We're expected to dress and act like we run the place when we're taking stage directions fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 03:34 PM
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The saddest
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 03:27 PM
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We'll see how long applying for grants lasts under this administration.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 03:23 PM
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I agree and I’m not sure how American men can change that culture in a way that makes them feel comfortable and thus willing. I don't think it can come about from a place of stress and lacking. I think guys with the healthiest relationships with the people around them can get their needs met more easily than the men who are cripplingly lonely. When you're already connected, a little more connection here and there is easy to ask for. But when these guys are alone, it's a bit like saving someone d…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:57 PM
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I don't think most guys actually know the ins and outs of how divorce law works. I certainly don't. It'd honestly be nice if there was a lawyer on the sub who could talk about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:52 PM
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The biggest problem in those relationships are the women waiting on men to make their lifegoals happen. If you feel you've been unmarried too long, propose. And if your proposal isn't agreed to, leave. It's a boundaries question.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:50 PM
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Most single women are single because they want to be, people that don't want to be married aren't marriage material.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:48 PM
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You ever play a game called Imperator Rome? They have an Iron Age Mod
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 08:24 AM
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Most men who are already in the RP or incel trap are neither reasonable nor respectful. That's fair. But they're not the only ones with problems. They're just the ones who are so far along the process that they don't care how it comes out or across. incel uprising Society is more complicated than "no pussy = rebellion", but seriously if you want more of those reasonable, respectful men, you have to take your weight off the scale. If you insist on taking your frustrations out on the men you see a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 12:42 AM
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A white man who would turn KKK just because a black dude called him a "cracker" was already racist. He's already dangerous. As a Black guy, allow me to work on your analogy. Cause women minimizing everything they don't go through personally is a stereotype that I should hope you don't want to fall into. It's more like if a white guy lost his to job to a Black Person, everywhere he looks he sees Black People getting a leg up, they're doing better than he is at every thing. The white guy is hopele…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 12:20 AM
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Given that the other guy called women evil, I'll take a crack at this. I'll keep it short. Can you give me an example of men wanting help from women, and women simply dismissing them or providing no empathy? There are routine deflections to most "acceptable" male issues like suicide or war that end up either centering the women's version of the problem (suicide is bad for everyone so it's extra tasteless for this one) or blaming men for being the source of their own issues. The first is narcissi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 12:08 AM
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Can I come there?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 11:56 PM
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How do you think men's lives should be better, I'm open to listening
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 11:55 PM
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Sex as a topic and a concern is perfectly valid. It's important, and it's important to people's quality of life. And women talk about sex as well. They want satisfying sex lives and partners that fulfill them. You really can't take away from anyone. And it's not fair to ask that. brainwashed by feminism to not want to be submissive to men (ignoring all the vulnerabilities and consequences that come with it)| shut up about taking women's rights away. But this is about respect, and that's more tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 11:24 PM
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“when women have money, men don’t get money” Men are expected to take care of those close to them and they are also expected (and generally don't have a problem with) date people who have less money than them. The position that men finds themselves in when they are successful is that they become a resource for their wider family, for their partners, and possibly even their friends. A man's money is never just his money unless he's completely cut off from a community. And that's a role that make …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 11:13 PM
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I can't take that away from you, but yielding space to them is how they take over. It's how they corrupt what we love in life and in other people into something ugly. I'm sure you know that. I hope that you find a way to get back to what you used to enjoy in that. Cause that's not fair to you. They're the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 10:59 PM
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I didn't say you were around them willingly. All the same, that sounds very scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 10:31 PM
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Sometimes I wish feminists and women might be open to talking about men’s issues. I’ve posted about that before. But I totally understand why they might be turned off by it when men don’t discuss women’s issues, Giving people who are ostensibly organized around gender equality a pass for not discussing gender equality because other people who aren't organized at all for anything don't is enabling. But I'll leave that alone. You can’t expect women to take men’s issues seriously, when you point ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 10:20 PM
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I agree, it's an idea that's rooted in magical thinking. The more women identify with it, the less they value their own conscious intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 02:35 PM
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So men have no right to be safe?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 11:34 AM
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The "You want it" - mindset and the absolute lack of bodily autonomy some guys give a woman once they find out she engages in casual sex is wild. It's a gold rush mentality, get it while it's still there. I don't imagine that's nice to be on the other end of.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 10:16 AM
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Oh, so you've been around fascists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 10:14 AM
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Is it your assertion that who cares about something dictates whether or not it’s a valid point? Normative thinkers have a hard time with applying base principles. Their filter for good/not good is its social acceptability, and women disrespecting privacy is very socially acceptable. I can't imagine that she really understands what's wrong with this. She's talking about it as if it's a "if you have nothing to hide, why complain" when that's hardly the concern. The idea that men should be protecte…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 10:10 AM
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You can't create a new standard if you allow saboteurs at the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 09:44 AM
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When the cat is this far out of the bag, it has to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 09:06 AM
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Can't do that when the bad people are the ones cutting the checks and hiring the police. It's either us or nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 09:50 PM
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You're supposed to choose people that treat you and other people well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 09:46 PM
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Free speech is already dead. It's just that censorship is not applied to right wing content. If they're unquestioningly listening to strangers on the Internet, be that Jordan Peterson or Fresh and Fit clowns, they're losers by definition and deserve whatever happens to them. The sad reality of life is that we're on the boat with impressionable people. There is no getting rid of them. You either do what's necessary for them to grow past it, or you allow them to be used by whoever doesn't dismiss …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 09:44 PM
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I try to give answers that speak for people than just myself, so thank you for the co-sign.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 09:10 PM
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Oh my bad. I thought there was a typo or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:58 PM
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Are you suggesting that police are good people?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:55 PM
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I've seen decent guys reward the biggest unreciprocating asshats with their undying friendship and loyalty because **s?**he met one of the above criteria This part. Treatment is something that people often need models to understand what's possible or acceptable. And I think a lot of men internalize in life that relationships work however women decide they do and that they don't have much of a say. Because they've never seen anything else modeled or they've found nothing different in their own li…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:53 PM
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Worked in France, worked in Russia, definitely worked in China.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:39 PM
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I think most men who end up in dynamics like that take for granted that no woman will actually treat them in a way that's reciprocal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:38 PM
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But what is a good person to you? Is it a general good or a self-serving one?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:35 PM
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The response to terrible people thriving is to tear them down and exact consequences on them. Not making excuses for them and shrugging your shoulders.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:35 PM
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It's the opposite, but go off.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:34 PM
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There's value in community.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:18 PM
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fwb? Where's the problem? This isn't something that I'd draw a red line against, but it does say a lot about a woman's attitude toward sex and commitment. Namely that they do not have a connection in her mind. And commitment isn't just exclusivity, it's emotional investment. A woman that doesn't even have to care that much about a man to have sex is kind of an emotional flight risk for any man that wants a more committed relationship because her threshold for engaging in sex is relatively low. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:53 PM
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This is a trade-off that cannot be negotiated around. The only way you can achieve the results you're looking is mass hormone therapy. And unless you give men enough Estrogen that they circle back around to going through feminine puberty, they'll just be depressed hormonally unbalanced people. Testosterone produces certain comorbid consequences in human beings. Positives come with the negatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:35 PM
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Men here regularly, tell women that their career, their finances, and their aspirations are irrelevant to the men as wives. If everything that women gravitate toward professionally creates less room for men to be their partners, then that makes sense to think. Women who don't make space for men in their lives are a bad fit for men that want women in their lives. Well, if you don’t give a shit about finances of who you’re marrying, then you don’t get to sit here and bitch and complain if you’re t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:54 PM
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So find a church woman with a moral compass and you'll be fine
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:08 PM
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My main takeaway is that if you have a business deal and one person holds the cards and says they're not interested, they have the right to make tough ultimatums. If you can't meet the ultimatum, then that's your problem. The saying that "Women are in business, men are in love" comes to mind. And while that isn't the exact case, I do think there's something to address between the two points. There is a balance of emotional investment and material investment that exists in all committed relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 01:02 PM
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Women didn't create the current dating market, if they were in charge it wouldn't work like this. And what is "this" to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:34 PM
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Obviously not, but one sex has to think about it constantly while the other doesn't. Boo boo, I don't pump my gas without looking over my shoulder at all times. Men have plenty of fear and plenty to fear. It's just understood that our safety is our own responsibility and we have to look out for ourselves. Sure lets just tell women to always keep a gun pointed at any man they're alone in a room with. It's better than yelling at men who've never hurt them and never would over what men that did hur…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:52 AM
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The thing about these women is, if it was as simple as giving them the answers, we wouldn't have the problem. Men do not want to see women fail, there's no reason for it. If they actually wanted to learn from men's experiences and input, it's right there, and it will be tailored to their needs and experience as best as men are able to advise. They don't want information. They want experiences, easy, unconscious, smooth and automatic. No thought required.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 08:16 PM
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You've gotta take it for granted that nothing you have experienced is applicable to straight dating. Unless you have tried dating women in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 08:04 PM
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Men can understand just fine. It's accepting and excusing it that is hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:58 PM
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Women do not adhere to everything men want in any society. Even under the threat of punishment, there are women who rebel against the rules that are placed on them. There is no place on this world where women are completely subjugated and don't have minds of their own and act on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:31 PM
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Women cultivate attitudes towards men that make the idea of being with men deeply off-putting, that combined with their sexual segregation (women mostly spend time around other women), their generally low libido, culturally reinforced ignorance (women are discouraged far more from curiosity toward the opposite sex at younger ages), dwindling social infrastructure to facilitate men and women meeting each other organically, lesbians, bisexuals, and the general apathy that women have toward men as …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:19 PM
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They should, and women should be more self-aware of their limits and learn how to compensate for it. Men get angry too, we're not enabled when we act on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:02 PM
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This is also why they so often view escalation as equal pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:01 PM
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Neither is red pill a strictly men's thing, the point is that there is a clear line drawn around what kind of ideas are welcome and what ideas aren't. Police your freaks and people will trust you more. That goes for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 04:35 PM
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Shame them, and cut them off. If the feminist subs (just for an example) had anti-FDS, anti-misandry policies, there would be much better intercommunication. Male subs already have rules like that. You can't even allude to pill ideology on menslib.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 04:14 PM
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Agreed. You can only treat people so badly before they leave. And putting young men into a position where they're either a scapegoat or a golden child to compare all the other men to is just an abusive dynamic. Wounded women have way too much leeway in playing out their baggage with broader society. It's not healthy, and it just reproduces the kinds of pain they ought to be trying to avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:52 PM
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One pet peeve that I have when it comes to people is when they embody stereotypes unironically. It shows a lack of self-awareness and social awareness. So many women are accused of only noticing the most impressive, richest, visible men. And then they go and do exactly that, and frame every argument around what "Men" do when it's really what "Millionaires get away with" and what any normal man would spend years in prison for. But normal men have no consideration. They're props on the stage. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:28 PM
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This place is a lighthouse for female narcissists. It's the only reason most of them would even engage with a conversation like this, to feel superior to an acceptable target that they can say whatever comes out of their twisted minds to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:20 PM
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Like yeah jail sucks, nobody’s gonna argue that, but wouldn’t you feel kind of ridiculous? Likening the experience of an American woman to that of a Holocaust survivor is definitely a take.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:15 PM
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The focus is usually on sexual crimes which aren't crimes of desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:09 PM
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If your truth is that "everyone who disagrees with me is a crybaby" that's not truth, you're just a bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:07 PM
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American Feminism isn't about Equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:05 PM
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The President has stolen every election he's won
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:38 AM
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No? Did I?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:31 AM
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Just because bad things happen to women doesn't mean that anyone thinks they're okay. It's a non-sequitur in a conversation about acceptability to bring up things that people are literally serving prison sentences over.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:21 AM
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ad homs You don't know the meaning of the words.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:44 AM
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As well as sexual violence, DV rates and the push against women's reproductive rights. Crimes and fascism are not acceptable. They simply exist and people have to deal with them. Preferably quickly or even pre-emptively.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:37 AM
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The starting point for your father was hostility. Whether it was the threat of it or the acting on it. The starting point for men (boys really, cause kids read these posts) is not hostility. It's confusion, it's fear, it's anxiety, it's sadness. These are not people in a position of power to hurt you, nor do they start out thinking about it. But if you continue to push people into a cultural corner, they're gonna stop feeling bad about what you say and just treat you like an enemy. You cannot bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:32 AM
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A performative hypothetical is the exact opposite of protecting yourself. It's feeding a cultural backlash that will certainly come back on women. I can see it now... President J.D Vance signing the B.E.A.R Bill. Some kind of fucked up "Reproduction Equity" law or some other Handmaid's Tale style madness. The hate starts in chatrooms and subreddits, then eventually the little 12 year olds who grow up reading the man-haters words they grow up into 18 year olds who vote for reactionaries, and then…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:24 AM
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Millions of muslim men that hate women... I'm not engaging with Islamophobia. It's a weak-minded critique of a caricature of people you don't know and don't live around enough to hold your tongue when generalizing nation's worth of people. Virtually all of the male school shooters openly hated women, and plenty of them had loving female family members. Family abuse or neglect is probably the single greatest throughline in all school shooters. Just because you have female family doesn't mean they…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:16 AM
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Sounds like you're catastrophizing and coming up with excuses. No one is entitled to complete safety. It does not exist. How you handle your fears and your own safety is reflection of yourself and your priorities. If you're not important enough to yourself to protect yourself then why should it be anyone else's priority? It's not men's jobs to fight every shadow on the wall that women are afraid of. If bad things happen, there are people who will be there to support that person. Not enough, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:10 AM
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I didn't know "women having opinions" was invented in the last few centuries. Misogyny exists because women exist and there's always a reason to hate or dislike something that exists. Especially something that is as close, intimately close, practically inescapable as the opposite sex. Every man and every woman had to live in a word where there was someone somewhere that did not like them for one reason or another and made that known. Misogyny is the name we give to the dislike of women for the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:05 AM
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Are you really using 7th century history to justify why being an asshole to men in 2025 is justified. Are you cracked?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:02 AM
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The idea that you shouldn't create more threats to yourself really shouldn't be that hard to wrap your head around. If you don't like snakes in your garden, don't leave them lots of mice to eat.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:00 AM
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Honestly, it does kind of feel like Starship Troopers in a way. You're kind of hoping that it's all one big elaborate joke, that it's some kind of allegory that you can learn from. But then you realize "oh, they really meant all this without a hint of irony."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:59 AM
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Their recourse is to learn how to use weapons and protect themselves. They're not rabbits running from wolves, they're people with two legs and two hands and a brain they can use. Haranguing strangers on life is equally pitiful and pathetic as anything else they judge men for. It's unproductive, stokes bad blood, and does nothing to actually address what real threats they face. women still have fear drilled into their heads in a way that men don't. Sounds like they need to go to therapy and stop…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:55 AM
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It gives off the vibes of "why do you make me so angry I have to hit you?" It's more of a "talk shit get hit" message. Part of living in society is exercising the restraint to not provoke other people needlessly. And that comes with the opposite expectation of others not to provoke you. You're not outside of this dynamic, you're in it. Because you're an adult. And you don't live in a world without consequences. If you make enemies, those enemies are going to want to hurt you. It's an A>B>C progr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:47 AM
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Practicality is a hurdle that many people struggle with nowadays. So long as people are stuck on the "I want to be heard" part of discourse and not the "acting on what we should have learned" part, we'll be stuck shouting at people to stop making their problems worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:41 AM
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First of all, "universally unacceptable" is a huge stretch. There's a real world outside of the internet and in that world, nearly nothing that is spoken by the men on this sub is remotely acceptable, and plenty of what the women say is basically lunchtime-at-work level conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:39 AM
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So is a campsite without a fire, would you want to freeze instead of being warm on the off-chance a forest fire starts?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:37 AM
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