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If that's true, it still doesn't mean anything because we'd be talking about what the acceptable level of selfishness is. I'd say it's not too hard to find folks who are selfish at low levels, or rarely make selfish decisions, or value generosity, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/26 07:37 PM

I think of it like, say someone is really into having their toes sucked. If it's because, for whatever reason, it just feels really good to them? Aok, I can do that. If it's because they want to see me in a subservient role licking their feet, then that's a hard* no. *I wouldn't be, you dirty dog
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/26 07:22 PM

Even without many hangups around sexuality, I have a bit of a Thing regarding BDSM in that I think the tendencies to B and M are understandable (though I don't share them) and the D and S can be disturbing. I'm willing to talk anything through, and I don't think it's necessarily reflective of their views on men/women, but the idea of getting off on someone's pain or your own control is creepy to me. At best. Women in the Dominant role could be explained in a non-creepy way due to socio-political…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/26 07:08 PM
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What do you think psychosis means?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/26 03:03 PM
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Yes to both of you, it's still trickier for some men to face this stuff. Even in the leftist/queer friendly circles I've always been in, you don't get a lot of dudes claiming bisexuality. I have some theories about why, but they're pretty obvious so why would I possibly bother typing them. I will say though in general it's more universally acceptable to find women attractive. Straight men do it, bi men, women in general, gay guys sometimes. Being attracted to men seems to be more complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 12:27 AM
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While maybe there are more people claiming queerness as a political act, I don't see how we would know rhe difference. I figure it's a combination of increasing acceptance and relaxing the definitions of LGBTQIAETC, with various outlying reasons adding a point or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 10:43 PM
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I won't make a habit of it, sir or ma'am.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 07:36 PM
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Yeah, I've been finding myself skipping the tedious shit. In this case I don't have much to say about women's virginity except "I don't know man it seems like a personal thing". I assume that for some women, they approach sex in general in different ways than men because being penetrated can probably feel more significant than the reverse, but also I figure without a survey or study I don't know if losing your virginity is a bigger deal for women than men overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 04:56 PM

This sub is full of potentially interesting questions that turn into the poster's personal hangups. You'd expect a little more self-awareness, but I guess it's more on us for not learning.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 03:48 PM
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I actually think the reverse is true. While there might be supposedly Masculine and Feminine traits, they don't have any prescriptive power in individual cases, so what's the point? Thinking of these things as Men And Women is a restrictive and inaccurate framework, where the only benefit is that a binary is simple, but to use a simplified model of actual life is always going to be less accurate than a complicated one, so it's always going to be more wrong. Where I'd see the flip side of this is…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 05:18 AM
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You are being clear, I'm saying you're wrong. I already gave an interpretation of this that explains why I think you're incorrect about the assumption, and how I think it makes sense without your assumption, in my first reply. You then went on to explain how your inferring was somehow an integral part of communication, which I also addressed and disagree with. This conversation is proving to be pointless, and continuing to reply is due to a flaw in my personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:07 PM
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I'm not going to continue to argue about argument structure or whatever though, it can only get more pointless from here, so for the record I'm out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:57 PM
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Bro. The inference isn't real. You're saying it has to be addressed, but you made it up. That she is inferring anything is the assumption. You took what she said, expanded it into this inference that she didn't intend and I can't even see, and now demand that it be corrected? Obviously the OP and I making a majority here doesn't mean we're right, but come on man. She and I aren't even saying the same things to get to our agreement. And again, we simply agree that what she said doesn't necessaril…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:55 PM
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From my perspective you're the one acting in bad faith because you're refusing to budge from an assumption. Inference can't be the basis of communication because, to use this situation as an example, if the speaker doesn't intend something and not every listener recognizes this supposed inference, then obviously even the existence of that inference isn't an accepted fact. You're just saying that your perception is more important than the words being used.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:47 PM
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She doesn't say that being a good person will get you laid, you're saying she's implying it, but she's not saying it. You're conflating pointing out a bad strategy with implying a good strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:35 PM
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It doesn't require the belief that being a good person will get you laid, it says that people seeing you being an asshole will prevent it. Generally, if Being An Asshole as a social strategy is successful, it's because they've hidden the asshole behaviour behind something else. In the case of getting laid, the idea is to use asshole behaviour to trick someone into thinking you're not an asshole, not to just be an asshole super hard. What you're pointing out is not an inconsistency in itself, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:19 PM
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To answer the question though, not applicable. I don't feel like any of that lines up with my experience. Date better women I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 01:50 AM
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Fuck me man, does everybody on the internet talk like this now?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 01:48 AM
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Maybe because when you ask men you get a lot of asking a fish how to fish type nonsense, and people talking about Cold Approaches or other PUA terms. That said, he probably read the room wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 01:37 AM
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Hell, now that I'm thinking about it, I approached dating like this too; every date was getting to know a person enough to determine whether we wanted to pursue more. I wanted to meet someone special or whatever, but you have to wait for that to happen. Human connection actually does happen by accident, because we don't know in advance who it's going to happen with. I personally didn't mind a date that didn't go anywhere because I like people, but a more objective way to look at it is that it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:54 PM
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I say that in terms of talking to people, because a person who can talk to whomever without appearing to see them as An Option or Not An Option is more attractive. So if your goal is ultimately dating/relationship, in my experience it's good advice, and is more about patience and not making every interaction about your singleness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:22 PM
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The thing is though, this is happening in online discussions. That's why people are demanding reasoning, because it's weird to engage in a conversation and then stop when asked to elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:41 PM
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All the same, I'd like to see what people would say. Saying it's "weird" was maybe a bit disingenuous of me as I suspect you're right, but I'm still curious. There might be a logical reason that I haven't considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:35 PM
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Your attempts to pull out any explanation is why I commented under you. I think you're right, and it's weird that so many people are refusing to engage on a topic they're choosing to reply to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:54 PM
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This "debate" is kind of strange because the OP and those that agree refuse to elaborate on their position, or really engage with people disagreeing beyond "I don't have to justify anything". I'm interested in people's thought processes! That's why I'm here!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:37 PM
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Oh yes sorry if I was unclear, we agree on this. Not arguing with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:50 PM
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It is being bigoted, because while culture and upbringing can be fair bases to decide whether you're compatible, someone's skin colour doesn't tell you what their parents or culture are like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:47 PM
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I'm not trying to control anyone, I'm just losing respect for their intelligence. It's like the race comparison, yes it is at best questionable to reject anyone based entirely on that one label. Like in the example of interest dying once someone finds out a person is black, because someone says they're "just not attracted to black people"; you don't find one black person attractive? None? There are maybe more typical "racial features", but not everybody has them. Not even every black person is p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:44 PM
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Yeah, nobody is trying to shame anybody into a relationship, they're trying to get you to interrogate your reasons for refusing to date [demographic group]. And frankly (though I'm a straight white man and have very little skin in this particular game), I've never seen someone give a logical reason as to why bi men are undateable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:28 PM
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Yeah, of course anything you can point to as self-destruction is worse than otherwise, I won't say all these things are always equal. More that they all have the potential to be self-destructive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 08:17 PM
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I come from the opposite direction (that's an assumption, but I won't apologize because I don't hold it against you), but I agree with you. Hypersexuality is absolutely a trauma response in most cases. What I want to add though, is almost every extreme behaviour or opinion is also a response to trauma, like sex aversion, or the people on this sub with obvious resentment toward gender business. Hatred of women and hatred of men is a trauma response, or alienation from women/men also to a lesser e…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:00 PM
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I don't know. Young people maybe need to be unhappy and uncomfortable, it teaches you the ways you don't want to live. But regarding casual physical contact, not everybody wants to have those dynamics, and not everybody can handle them (I've got some kind of mental problem so don't catch feelings outside of a relationship, for example). I mean, casualness was lionized in the community I was in but that fucked with a lot of people. We're not all built for it, and we don't all want it. One thing I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 04:12 PM
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Nerds in high school were seeing a lot more action than I was, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 11:01 PM
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These conversations are wild to me because my life went the opposite way: I saw a bunch of friends naked exactly because we were friends. Over years of platonic hanging out, being pals, sometimes you end up fooling around. Then you keep being friends, because you were always friends. I mention this just to say, so many people see this stuff backwards. Like, "I'll treat the opposite sex like people and act normal once my needs are met." But a lot of the complaints on this sub would be solved by b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 05:21 PM
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Totally, and I figure as a hairy guy, for example, I couldn't possibly care less if someone doesn't like that, the same way nobody should care if I don't like uh I'm struggling to think of another.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 09:06 PM

It's funny to not get a sentence about you not getting something. This is classic joke construction buddy, not much to explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 07:55 PM

I hope this is a joke because it is pretty funny
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:36 PM

I don't really have a lot to say about this, but yes. It's not fun for me otherwise. And the second question made me a little sad but the answer is yes to that one also.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:33 PM
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My question is, is this really something that doesn't apply to men? You guys don't have these? I don’t keep track of them but can rattle a few off the top of my head right now: -too many 'lol's -bad hats or sunglasses -calls themselves their pet's parent
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:10 PM
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While this is true, if I was to write out every weird hangup and boundary I had I would seem insane, so I can relate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:00 PM
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So that's a sort-of yes? I'm not building a Socratic case against you, I honestly find it interesting and, if common, explains some of why the idea of false accusations and legal specifics take precedence over the experience of the accuser. I still disagree, for the record, but it becomes a values question which can't be argued the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 09:23 PM
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To you, a person's reputation is worth more than their life? This might be an understanding breakthrough for me, regarding differing values between the sides of this argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 09:12 PM
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1) a cultural moment that opened a space for women to speak up about bad mostly-sexual experiences they've had with men, I guess? 2) the above, but also to hold people accountable for their actions, whether that was legal or social repercussions, or just for men as a group to know more about women's experiences. Not everybody who tagged in had a goal beyond talking about their own experiences, but as a whole I think the purpose was clear. 3) I'm good thanks 4) no I do not I can feel sympathy for…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:16 PM
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I agree, and in general I don't think edge cases should be used in reasoning in most situations. They seem to operate under the assumption that Accusations are often false, and can't have a conversation about actual victims (of which there are so, so many), but until we learn that there are more False Accusations than there are assaults (statistics would say there are more unreported assaults than false accusations, btw) it's deflection to bring them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:13 PM
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Just wanted to jump in and say the disconnect, or one of them maybe, between the two of you seems to be whether the "accusation" is true or not. I think to have a good-faith conversation about this one has to work from the position of speaking about actual incidents, and not factor in the false ones (which I believe are very rare, but some people have experienced so it's difficult to get them to move on from).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 06:37 PM

I mean, they could be said to have rejected society, they might even agree with that, but what's with your obsession with tech?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:09 PM

In the US, 61% of men over 15 are fathers (starting at 15 is crazy, but whatever). I can't immediately find information on how that number might have changed over the years, but point is the only evidence of what he's saying is that weird men say it online.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:39 PM

Haha, sorry, just a dumb joke. I agree, his Only The Top x% of Men thing is stupid and inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:33 PM

Okay but it's definitely the top more than half of men, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:19 PM
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I wonder what the reality of this is. It's accepted as How Things Are, but obviously it's not universal so I'd be interested to know what the percentages are. I'm more in your zone, personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:01 PM
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I think also it's best to remember that most relationships are happy until they're not (at least, I hope that's the common experience), as opposed to focusing on conditions at the end. I suppose if your goal is Happy Marriage, that's more difficult as it's supposed to last forever. If a good percentage of one's relationships have been "toxic", that's maybe a hint about how a person approaches relationships (not going to blame a victim, but would advise them to figure that out).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:54 PM
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I think this is correct, most of the observed gender differences come from socialization, learning to express the same emotions and drives differently due to culture or whatever. Hormones will alter people to some extent, but we can't know how in individuals by normal interactions, and most of what some people think are inherent differences are just different appearances of universal human reaction. For example, speaking of North America anyway, in subcultures where men and women have more socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 06:10 AM
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When I was dating, I recognized that women paying for themselves was based on any number of considerations, and if I accept this it doesn't mean I agree with any of the male dating behaviours they were mitigating either, it was simply that anything that makes a person more comfortable is a net good. It also didn't mean or even imply that I was a potential threat. All it communicates is that they're wary of what the whole Who Pays conversation could mean, either individually or culturally or what…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:06 PM

People could just go out to have fun, and not judge whether a night was successful based on sex being had. Even if you look at it kind of cynically, it's more attractive to be dancing and having a good time than lurking around trying to spot opportunities to Initiate. People say men should be confident in these conversations not to try to pick up women, but to attract women. The Feedback Loop starts with what you input. Maybe the first step, intention, is what's throwing off the result.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:02 PM
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Totally. I feel that way constantly about people of both genders when I read this sub, and both sets of Men Do X/Women Do Y are so contrary to my experience. Like, okay, most people who are embittered or feel resentment toward the groups they're attracted to are there because of trauma or bad experiences. Absolutely. But even if you have statistics that support how you feel about women, if you want a relationship with women then you have to find a statistical exception. And just like finding a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:30 PM
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Oh absolutely. What I meant was, ideally get out of there. Or tell them to stop asking, but of course this is just getting caught up in a hypothetical, because in real life you shouldn't have to say that. Or feel like you have to escape because someone doesn't accept No as definitive. If one is applying this to a relationship over a span of time as opposed to a date or whatever it's a little more nuanced, but not much.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:39 PM
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Even if I didn't think this was a consent problem, I'm not taking more than one No. What, to you, does "convincing" someone to have sex look like? Are you arguing? Pitching?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:01 AM
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I figured "asking" was sort of synecdoche, catch-all term for ease of conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:13 PM
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Also, for the record, I think it is reasonable for women to be afraid of how someone who is already exhibiting creepy behavior will react. A normal person would take the no, and either move forward or move on, and trying to appease aggressive people isn't a gendered trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:26 PM
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I think it's more complicated than that, and everyone is weak in some way, but basically we agree I guess? Even though we obviously have very different outlooks on stuff? Unheard of, can never happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:21 PM
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While this is technically true, why ask more than once? I think if a woman is asked for sex 9 times and said no every time, yeah she should have shut things down more definitively, not only to communicate clearly but because the man clearly doesn't give a shit about what she wants. It's creepy behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:09 PM
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Fair enough. Thanks, I was curious is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:47 AM
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Not arguing, wondering: isn't the initial chatting period the pre-vetting process?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:26 AM

Of course it is, they don't have to cover every angle to be responsible researchers. People research specific things, in order to publish papers. If you have problems with some specific that's fine, but not talking to women in the 'Men And Their Coercive Sex Strategies' survey is so obvious that I feel stupid finishing this sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:29 AM

I mean the survey and question were about men, so yeah it makes sense that nobody was talking about what women do. But I'm always interested in this kind of data personally, if someone does a lady one I'd love to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:24 AM
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I mostly agree with this, but would disagree with the severity of Personal Problems. I mean, that's a lot of people, but to include most it runs the risk of broadening the definition too far to be useful. That said, "weird about sex" to me also includes people who view sex as something they want and do, as opposed to something two people (uh, or more I guess) do together. That mindset is certainly the cause of a lot of bad sex, maybe most, and is probably one of the main drivers of casual sex fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:49 AM

As a man I can't really answer the topical questions, due to having no experience with how dudes act in sexual sitations other than myself, but: Dear lord, is it not looking good for men that "95.1% reported having recently used at least one of the strategies to force or coerce a woman to have sex". I would have guessed less than 10% are for real creeps and predators, but if this data holds up to the general population it's way higher than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:39 PM
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But why would women who are afraid or cautious of men talk about men who are abused at the same time? Those are two different things. And yes, some women would dismiss male victims of abuse, but that's wrong so I'm not sure what you're looking for there. As for "Whether you feel like you're being blamed or not doesn't change the fact you ARE being blamed when people say stuff like men rape women or men abuse women", you're just asserting something without backing it up at all. Why does your feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:36 PM
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Got to say man, I've never felt like I'm being blamed or held accountable for the bad men (except on rare occasions, but those are specific instances and not a larger pattern). The reason women put what you might see as disproportionate emphasis on the damage men do is because they are legitimately potential victims of that damage. It might be a small percentage (it's not really) but it's large enough to worry about. Like, "being careful around cars when you're on a bike" worry as opposed to "be…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:50 PM
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Anecdotally, I did fine on apps without ever being verified, and though I eventually paid (because the Likes that I can't see bother me) I didn't notice any increase in anything. There are two main factors involved in App Success, I think; a good profile (with clear pictures), and good banter after matching. Basically, being able to do well on the apps is a skill, and not everybody has it. I mention this only because there is undeniably a difference in how men and women experience online dating.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:57 AM
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