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I also think that women care less about muscles than other men do. I see men getting way more invested in another man 'bulking up/getting jacked' than women. Just look at the average 'men's health magazine' against 'glamour'. The men's magazine has some muscly guy on a strict diet and workout regimen. The Woman's magazine has Harry Styles, KPop Boys, Cillian Murphy and Timothee Chalamet
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 01:02 AM
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I agree with everything you have written. But I think the jig is up. Men know how little women are interested on the whole now. They just have to force the narrative/maintain the pretence, because for 1000s of years it benefited them so much to the point that there a bit rudderless without it. If you look back at old male writers/lawmakers, men knew exactly how much women wanted independence. It's why they made things so strict.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:31 PM
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They absolutely are. A recent post on redpill was about an average man complaining that women are entitled because a woman at a bar bumped her drink up to a double when he was ordering. The men commiserated with him, which is precisely what he went in there for. Men on redpill absolutely complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:28 PM
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Why are so many men agreeing? Are they 'spiritually female'?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:26 PM
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What I find sad is how many men will use women using anti-depressants/going to therapy as a 'gotcha' to mock or insult women with, but at the same time feel very entitled to superficially female empathy over the male suicide rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:23 PM
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When a man rapes a woman, it's 'not all men' or 'that's not a real man', but when a man invents something, it's 'look what We Men do for society'. Lol that's not how it works. You can't disavow the bad and try to muscle in on the noble/good.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:21 PM
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Men used to like to scoff at 'women's pictures' (romance films) and 'chick-lit', acting as if they were above such things and that women were silly for liking these things, yet deep down, many were very comforted by how much a Woman's life was conditioned to center around men, marriage and children. Because they used to run more - esp in media - they could have their cake and eat it. Get marriage, but also get to act aloof about it, as if they were begrudgingly doing the woman a favour by 'final…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:15 PM
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If men want women so much younger, and women want men an average of 6 years older, why is the average age gap in marriage and cohabitation and children just 2 years (man older)?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:58 PM
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I thought men held the 'key' to commitment/marriage. No one had a gun to their head.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:57 PM
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'Women having rights takes away from my rights as a man. Women having autonomy makes me feel powerless. Women having independence and equality means that they can't be forced to pretend men know better (submission) and depend on egotistical men.' Women here, let's continue to thrive in education, maintain our financial independence/not having to rely on someone who wants to subjugate us(our grandmothers and great-aunts are often our biggest supporters on this particular point), speak up and havi…
/r/MensRights28/11/23 12:11 AM
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Heterosexual relationships
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 02:27 AM
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Average age gap is 2 years.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 01:33 AM
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I'm not telling you. I want you to maintain your innocence.
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 09:50 PM
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This is so accurate. Sometimes young women speak about their grandmothers having more conservative attitudes about certain things, but what I see and have experienced far more often is old women being some of our biggest supporters.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:30 PM
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That was all they knew because they had far less of a choice. So it's not 'nature'. It was 'nurture'.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:28 PM
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So you basically acknowledge that all of this 'true femininity/women were happier' tripe that redpill men say is basically manipulation to push women back into positions that left women vulnerable and often trapped but artificially propped men up?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:09 PM
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I find it strange to be agreeing with you because I've seen comments from you in the past that said things quite different to this. Iirc, a correction between 'femininity' and 'submissiveness/docility/the desire to be a housewife' as if these things were 'natural' to women. But I agree completely here. The rigid definition of 'feminine' was designed and maintained in a culture (laws, church and society/media) where men had most of the tangible power, and so it is 'nurture', the complete opposite…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 08:49 PM
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But I thought men didn't care about a Woman's wealth/status? Isn't that what redpill men usually claim?
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 08:45 PM
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Yet if I had experience on an intimate/romantic level and was saying the same thing you would call me jaded/damaged lol. If I marry, I want a relationship with mutual effort, respect and appreciation, but I am not obsessed with the idea of marriage. I see enough of it around me to know that it is possible to have faith in it if I go down that route? How is that a fairy tale? I said women are wary.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:45 PM
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Classic confused redpiller response. 90% of redpillers: 'Women are such sluts nowadays. It's disgusting. There are hardly any virgins. Women have too high body counts for any """high value man""" to want to commit to. I might go to a Filipino village to find a pure woman. ... Interacts with a female virgin: mocks her 😂 Never change!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 04:43 PM
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Ah, then barely any are then
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:29 PM
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I don't know. I'm a virgin, but I'm definitely wary of men/would be careful to vet one. I have healthy relationships with my male friends/dad/family members, but still I will be careful. If a woman or a man has had at least a handful of sexual/romantic experiences with the opposite sex that they had entered into open to the fact that it might develop, then there is going to be a certain amount of jadedness toward either the opposite sex or how they themselves were (men here who hate their past '…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:18 PM
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So basically anyone who says anything about it or identifies with it, then. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. Who who are the genuine redpillers, then? The ones who have adoring wives yet behind their backs are saying to their friends, 'yeah, she was a bitch last night so I had to neg her', 'I spin plates. I think she knows, but Where's she going to find higher value etc?' I don't doubt that misogynistic men have sex, gfs and wives sometimes, but depending on what you truly mean by redpill, I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:14 PM
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Not the 1800s. A woman couldn't open up her own credit card until the 1970s without a male 'guardian'. It was not until the 60s/70s that various Anglosphere/western European countries made things equal for women in terms of pay/marital dissolution and employment opportunities. Women are more likely (sometimes significantly) to go into medicine, veterinary degrees, law and teaching. These are vocational degrees and necessary for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:10 PM
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Bingo! The benefits of being a traditional man (having a more prestigious job, the power that comes from being the 'main' breadwinner, even if the difference is small, being a leader) and the benefits of being a modern man (sex before marriage, not having to make all the money, the fantasy of getting 'chased' by women). They are irritated that women don't want this, as it leads to women getting the short end of the stick of both 'dynamics' without any of the benefits. This is why the 'women want…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:01 PM
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Good point about fathers. My dad is the most encouraging (to the point of being pushy) person in my life when it comes to education/having a stable job I like/financial independence. He really drummed it into me. My mum is very much pro this stuff as well, but she just assumed that I would do it. My dad spoke to me about it often. Outside of really religious conversative fathers, I think most are like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 12:55 PM
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Why can't you speak for yourself and stop a) parroting Kevin Samuels (you could at least use synonyms/change up the order of the words a bit to sound less sheeplike b) stand alone in your own preferences (courageous) rather than having to hide behind the claim that all men secretely have your preferences, whether they admit it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 11:11 AM
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How many men here who are accused of being misogynists, respond with 'I don't hate women.. I just understand them/have been around many of them/have had my fill of them.' Repeated experiences with the opposite sex that for one reason or another ended tends to leas to a certain loss of innocence/jadedness when it comes to dating. I just find it funny how men here spin it as a woman 'having baggage', but a man 'grows wisdom/learns what he likes.'
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 11:08 AM
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If you say so. In reality, most of the redpillers who show their face are single. Tinder and inceltears/sadcringe is rife with women joking/being disturbed with a manosphere 'alpha's' bio/messages, and you can find tons of TikToks/tweets about women dumping their bfs/dates as soon as they started spouting/enacting 'redpill dynamics'. As for casual sex, who knows? Many women (not as many as men, but still) do enjoy NSA casual sex/ONS, and if the circumstances are right, the man who looks decent e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 10:57 AM
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Your experience is your experience. I won't attempt to undermine it, esp if so many men feel the same way. From a woman, I think women are fine with a bit of vulnerability, even in some scenarios quite a lot. The problem is that some men are very black and white/all or nothing. They either reveal absolutely nothing/are like stone, with their romantic partners and often with everyone else, and are a bit repressed (which can cause problems), or they see their romantic partners as the one person th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:36 AM
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That if you are actually a misogynist, then I doubt she is having a good time. Sooner or later the contempt will show and she might not be safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:30 AM
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Because if it's not something to be ashamed of they wouldn't need to hide it around others. It would just naturally be part of their dynamic. These guys I see who are desirable to women, are confident but also fairly laid back (aside from making money - then they are quite 'on top of things'). They don't need to resort to toxic mate-retaining strategies. They're confident that the woman likes them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:31 AM
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Because I see them. I know some of them. I've spoken to some of them. I see how they interact with their gfs/wives, and how they interact with women more broadly. There is no 'pushing the little ladies down to feel big'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:27 AM
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Again. I don't understand the glee at fooling a woman who is just trying to look out for herself. Even if she's 'cocky' about it, being weaker physically means that we hope to be able to see the signs in a self-identified redpiller/misogynist. It's like a man here doing everything he can to marry a good woman and be a great father, and the woman is secretely laughing about the fact that the child is the result of an affair and the man will never know. It's cruel to get so giddy off of something …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:16 AM
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Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:12 AM
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'Why are women so hostile toward/wary of men? They're so dramatic.'
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:10 AM
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No, because they say most relationships/marriages today are pathetic because the husbands are bluepilled/betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:09 AM
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Even just see how he responds to a fat woman, or a conventially unattractive woman who has no use to him
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:07 AM
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We need each other societally, but women need and want men less for personal relationships. Once the educational and financial oppression was lifted from women, that quite quickly became glaringly obvious. It's a large part of why so much was denied to us outside of marriage. They knew that if we had other options we'd be way less inclined to prioritise it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:05 AM
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I know redpill men are desperate to identify with chads/alphas/successful men whatever, but it's just not true. There are tons of handsome guys/rich guys/popular guys (with women and men), who don't need to be dominant/dread a woman/neg her, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:03 AM
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God forbid she wants to avoid a misogynist, and hopes that she has intuition.. one of the main things to protect a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:47 AM
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It doesn't matter if they speak about it. There are tells in their general attitudes/treatment of men/dynamic they want to establish with the woman that will stand out to a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:41 AM
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Yeah, but it's also about being 'a leader', which many men in the manopshere say is quite rare among a lot of men nowadays. So a woman will notice if a man is trying to 'lead' her. Redpillers claim she will be attracted and stay with him, but he will still stand out against other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:38 AM
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Even quite calm aloof guys who are secretely redpill will slip the mask if you speak out about bad female experiences at the hands of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:36 AM
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If a man tries to convince me on how I should think/what I should want based on generalised 'truths' about women. E.g. A (less attractive) man who needs to explain to me that, unlike men, women don't especially care about looks. They go for... (insert thing any man can work to achieve/is holistic). Or man much older than me speaking about how women deep down don't care about age gaps due to biology and how it's woke culture convincing us to only want men our own age
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:33 AM
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I agree with the general idea that both value the other/put the effort in. I just find it weird that the onus is on women (in your original post) to focus on men, secure men and Maintain men. I hadn't seen the post until now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:07 PM
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It's weird how you speak of a woman 'obtaining and maintaining a husband' as if he's the prize/she's the one who's going to have to put the work in to make things work Women dump and divorce more than men do. If men are being left more, shouldn't some reflection occur on their end as to how they can stay married?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:38 PM
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I think there's a middle ground between marrying at 19 and having meaningless casual sex and failed relationships. Many people just refrain from focusing on the opposite sex much while getting educated/starting their career, etc. They might date, etc, but it's not a priority so they're not as hurt if things end. The truth is, early marriages (20-24 and esp 16-20) have a higher rate of failure than ones where both are late 20s, as is the average age of marriage now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:36 PM
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Girls actually rarely married at 14. This is a common misconception about history. Royal/aristocratic families sometimes did, but it was because the marriage was based on time sensitive political alliances between countries/noble houses. There's also nuance. Often the 14yo girls were married to 14/15yo boys. And a lot of the time they were kept with their parents until older as early pregnancy was seen as risky. Needless to say, the girl's desire rarely came into it. This is the 1%, though. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:32 PM
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Right, and there are videos that shame single mothers and women who divorce, yet still these things are pretty common. We live in one of the most sexually free times we have ever lived in. Casual sex, break ups, divorce, illegitimate children, polyamory, kink, etc etc. Are accepted far more than they have been for the past 1000 years in Western society. Women have more sexual autonomy than they ever have. If they still aren't gravitating much toward much older men (which, if you look at history,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:16 PM
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Right, so women are being pressured to not like older men? The 50s is a popular era for redpillers. Do you know what the average age gap was back then? 2 years. Women married young compared to now, but so did men. Men were around 22. This idea that 'woke idealogy' is taking women away from what many 'secretly want' makes little sense because historically, outside of royal/political matches, most couples weren't far apart in age at all. Absolutely some women like/don't mind much older men, but if…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:00 PM
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It's weird how men on here will criticise women for viewing men as 'options' and keeping 'orbiters' around while at the same time boast of having 'a rotation/a good selection, etc'. Women can't be dismissive and objectify men but men can with women? If you say so. There will be some men here who claim to be an anomaly. I'm just speaking about generalities/the average/what's likely. The rule rather than the exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:27 PM
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Such a reasonable reply. Wow lol. All the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:27 AM
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You are so correct in how redpillers project. I see so many redpillers/manosphere men in YT comments, saying things like, 'what women need to realise is that men want/gravitate toward/will not put up with .. (insert specific dom/sub 1950s type rhetoric), and then get annoyed when men speak up and say 'don't speak for me.' They lack the courage to stand by their personal preferences (because they know how off they are to women), so they force a narrative that 'all men want this', so that women wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:23 AM
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It's not just that. It's a lack of actual attraction. I got flirted with/asked out by older guys when I was 18/19/20, and though I felt that it was creepy, I just wasn't attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:17 AM
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I've seen men write this sort of thing online. Never overheard it irl. Think I would be sick if I did. Yeah, it's really grim. It's predatory. It's abusive. It's sadistic. I'll never understand the mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:15 AM
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Okay, but ultimately the age gap in Brazil is still 2/3 years. There might be more people at the extremes, but the average is still the same as it is elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:13 AM
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There are literally numerous men online who post that the exact reason they want to date young women/teenagers is because they are easier to groom/mold/shape/'will believe whatever I tell them'. This has been repeated by some vocal redpill guys (Zherka, Myron from F&F etc). That sounds vile to any woman, young or old. We don't need to infer anything, or even need to have had experience. The men are explaining things in black and white for is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:11 AM
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Most dads I know would bristle at a big age gap, especially if the daughter was a teenager. Regardless, women choose mostly based on who they want, and the average age gap is 2-3 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:07 AM
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Also, average age gap in the 50s was 2 years, just as it is now. Women married younger, but so did men. This idea that the norm of 17yo girls marrying 33yo men was ever the norm is a myth. Outside of royalty/aristocracy (based on time-sensitive political alliances), most age gaps were modest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:05 AM
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Literally 1% of marriages have the man 20+ years older. It's incredibly rare. And, just checked, only 18.8% have the man 6+ years older.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:03 AM
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And men can want that. But they should know that women typically want men not much older than themselves, and few want many children (the number that would require starting in your early 20s, for example), so rather than browbeating more women into changing our standards, the men who want this should seek out the women who are on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:58 AM
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It's easy to say that as a man when you know that the burden of childcare (as with housework) rests with women more than men, even if the women work just as much as the men. Many women want children, but they put it off or decide to only have one or two because they know that men do less, and women don't want to be stressed/overburdened/resenting their child as a result of being left with the lionshare. I genuinely believe that if women could be fathers, we would happily have 5 children, we woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:56 AM
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But.. but... Leonardo Di Caprio /s
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:50 AM
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Yet we still only end up with men 2/3 years older than us. Look it up. The average age difference for cohabitating and married couples is just four years (man older), and that's including African/Middle East countries obv. In Western countries/countries where women have the most choice, the gap is pretty consistently 2 years (USA, UK, Canada, Russia, Japan, Brazil, Scandinavia, France, Spain, Ukraine, Argentina, New Zealand etc etc etc). If we genuinely wanted men 10/15 years older and they want…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:47 AM
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This
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:26 AM
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I just don't agree. I mean, where are the cut offs. Is a man approaching 100 women, getting turned down, approaching 100 more and then sleeping with 2 proof that 'game is King'? Even if he's chubby, older, average looking, ugly, etc? And what about the women? Is a 45yo short average looking man going to women on his level with game? Or beautiful women decades younger consistently?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:07 AM
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The global age gap between men and women in marriages/cohabitation relationships is 4 years (man older). This is massively skewed by all the MENA countries where women have less choice and so the age gaps are 7/9 years etc. In a great many countries, however, Inc. Brazil, Argentina, Russia, Japan, etc, the average age gap is 2/3 years(man older).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:18 AM
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I don't believe that looks have ever 'barely mattered' for men. That an average/ugly man could 'spit game/have confidence' and easily have beautiful women interested in him. Outside of situations (historically) where the woman had no choice, or where the man was very rich/had a title, it just wasn't the norm. Marriage/dating/courting was often more pragmatic than it is today, but women have always cared about looks. I look at wedding photos of my grandparents' generation married in the 50s) and …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:13 AM
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It doesn't really matter anyway. People who like age gap relationships (men and women/older and younger either way) go for it and sometimes find them. Most don't. The average age gap is 2/3 years. I find it weird how much debate there is over something that doesn't happen much. If you want a big age gap relationship, try to go for it (legal, ofc). People very well may have their opinions. A big thing People object to when it comes to age gap relationships, as the push to make them more common wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:21 PM
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We resemble children.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 05:46 PM
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Using Catherine of Aragon is such a strange example. Their marriage meant much more than just what she thought of Henry. It was an important alliance between two countries. Queens/Princesses who, for whatever reason, ended up returning to their countries after marriage were seen as failures. She considered it her job as Queen to love him/stay with him. And part of the reason she didn't want to split up was because he was calling her a liar/casting her reputation into scandal, by saying he had sl…
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/23 10:54 PM
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So you're against fornication?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:06 PM
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I see. No, from who? Are the women afraid? Or the men? The men, I assume? But older men still hit on younger women a lot. It's the women who seem to say no, or else we would see more couples. Leonardo is fine as a stereotype, but in his case specifically, it's pretty clear the women are in it for money/exposure. He might not care at all (he seems not to), and only cares about sex/having a pretty woman next to him, but for the man one day looking for something deeper from a woman, Leo's not the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:38 PM
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Absolutely. The 'women-aren't-choosing-me-therefore-women-don't-deserve-choice' and 'my-wife-divorced-me-11-years-ago-so-women-shouldn't-vote' mindsets are strong with manosphere types. Along with going to a third world country where patriarchy is stronger to find a woman who is 'naturally' more 'feminine' (which is a dogwhistle for a doormat). A redpiller Tate fan murdered his Colombian gf at the beginning of the year. Before travelling to South America, he had been tweeting a lot of bitterness…
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/23 05:31 PM
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70% last I heard. No, listen. The studies show that men struggle more emotionally and regret it more. I understand that this interferes with the comeuppance you want women to face, but it's men who disproportionate struggle (apart from finances). You're projecting what men want onto women. Men get more out of being with women than vice versa. So a man always wants to know he has/can get a woman. Things are so much worse for him single. For women, being single is often the better option. Being fr…
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/23 05:20 PM
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So few men hit their peak when they're supposed to? Isn't it rather meaningless, then? Desire to avoid stigma from who? The woman or the man? Women are far less stigmatised now for any romantic/sexual choice than we have ever been. It's a lack of desire on our part for older men. If you look through history, most couples were around the same age (or the man was at most 5 years older).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:17 PM
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Financially we are. You can look it up. But not emotionally. There are studies. Women are less likely to a) regret their divorce b) want to remarry or even live with a man (burnt the first time) and c) find it easier to be single due to it (despite less money) being an upgrade from the marriage they wanted out of and having more of a social support network than men. Why don't you research things, or simply look at the divorced men/lonely older men around you? Even online, divorced men are wayyyy…
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/23 05:15 PM
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Feminism is literally about making it easier for women to survive Economically, legally, physically and socially without a husband. If anything it's about getting away from men and their exploitation/abuses. Redpill/PUA/Incels are all about getting near women and trying to continue to do those things.
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/23 05:11 PM
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Is anything you say based in reality, or is it just an attempt to project onto woman and scare them into settling? Let's look at the statistics. Women dump and divorce x3 as much as men. Women who are single are less likely to want to change that than men (a recent study puts it as 49% of single women are looking to meet someone, compared to 61% of men). Women are leaving dating sites, clubs and are more wary of being approached in the street. Even though women are on average worse off financial…
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/23 05:08 PM
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How is he nearly peak SMV? What does that mean in the real world? Are you going by Rollo's little chart? The one that puts men at their top at 37 and women at their top at 23? If that were the case? Why don't more 23yo women choose to be with 37yo men? What good is a man's 'peak' if he cannot get with a woman at her 'peak'. 14year age gaps are really pretty rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:03 PM
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Well, they have stats on having children, and the gaps are pretty similar. The facts are that the men who women see the most potential in to commit to (marriage and children) seem to be around the same age. I can't see why long-term relationships/stable cohabitation would differ much from other forms of commitment. I'm leaving out sugar-dating, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:01 PM
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So would the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 04:58 PM
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Completely disagree if he's making average money. If what you believe in is based in reality, why do you think the average age gap is only 2 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 04:58 PM
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In that specific scenario, I would say the man. But if we speak generally, the facts remain that women and men who marry are similar in age (and looks and background, etc.) I thought a big part of redpill was speaking about the rule and not the exceptions. As a woman who's only in my 20s, there's not a chance I would marry a 40yo man, regardless of his earnings. I am in the large majority, as 10yp age gaps are pretty rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 04:51 PM
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Wow. How unfeeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 03:19 PM
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It's probably the fact that despite being told the generic 'put in the work/lift/make money/be successful', so many redpillers (the vast majority) appear not to. Men who have been in the community for a decade and are considered authorities bemoan this fact too, before you say that I don't know what I'm speaking about. The redpill is the most basic common sense self-improvement advice, mixed with bitter hatred, and so many whiners leave the first part to dwell on the second.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 03:02 PM
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Only for men. For women it's painful and violating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:57 PM
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How is it applicable?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:55 PM
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The 'wall' doesn't really mean anything. It's just a revenge fantasy for lonely/bitter men who froth at the mouth at the idea of women 'getting her comuppance' for the terrible crime of.... living her life, being single and not settling for someone she didn't want to settle with. Ultimately, women marry on average at around 30 to men about 2 years older. Those are the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:54 PM
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Because often the 'feminine'/'pleasant' are dogwhistle words to mean 'submissive', 'passive', 'self-sacrificing' and 'modest'. Take gender out of it. And consider two human beings.. person A and person B. Person A is submissive, passive, self-sacrificing and modest. Person B is confident, independent and determined. Which person do you think is more vulnerable to being taken for granted/hurt as they journey through life? The fact is, that acting in the artificial ways that were imposed on women …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:45 PM
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Go for it. It seems quite a defeatist mindset, to capitulate and act according to what attracts a portion of women. Men who enter the dating mindset can't claim that men are the 'natural leaders' of society/relationships, though. Because they're basically molding their behaviour around what women want, following her lead and then holding up their hands and saying 'she wanted it. I'm just responding.'
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:32 PM
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Yeah, and many men have 'my ex was crazy/a bitch'. So what's your point? People typically don't look upon the exes that well
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 01:10 PM
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If the woman enjoys the sex and didn't want to commit to the man, it is. You seem to view sex as something that women don't really want or enjoy, but merely let a man 'do to them' as a means of 'keeping' him for commitment. Women can get a lot out of sex, and it's 2023. Women aren't the ones eager for commitment. If we were, we wouldn't be the ones dumping and divorcing 75% of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 01:01 PM
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I don't really care what men like you prefer. I'm referring to women being safer and having more options now than in the past, which is best to anyone who isn't a sociopath. You can call women 'masculine' for standing up for ourselves, not being pressured to 'submit' and be a man's doormat. We're safer now. We are no longer as trapped in miserable conditions, and that's better for us, despite what you and men like you prefer. And single women's 'body count' is none of your business. If you want …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 12:59 PM
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Or you're taking a small portion of (damaged) Women and spinning that out to represent women as an entire sex. This sounds very much like, 'I don't want to hit you. You make me this way. Yikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 12:56 PM
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I agree. 80% of couples I know are people I look at individually and think, 'yeah, that makes sense'. They are almost always within 5 years of one another too. Of the other 20%, 15% of the time the man is notably better looking than the woman, and 5% the man is notably better looking.
/r/AllPillDebate31/08/23 05:42 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 05:30 PM
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Am I wrong? Why is it okay for you to state that you don't want a feminist, but bad for me to say that women stay away from manosphere guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:43 PM
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There is a difference between being a silent, repressed man who never cries, keeps everything bottled up and then explodes in rage twice a year .. And a man who burdens his wife/gf with emotional labour by being so constrained by gender roles that she's the only one he can open up to, making her feel like a therapist. Women open up to their bfs/husbands, but they also open up to their friends/families/coworkers, etc more than men do, so it's often unbalanced to the Woman's detriment when the man…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:29 PM
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How would you describe traditional masculinity? And if you conflate the two, do you understand why women leave men like this? (We can talk about 'assholes attracting chicks', but most complaints from manosphere men is about how they can't be themselves because women are set on feminising them.)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:26 PM
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And don't whine if women do the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:24 PM
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We wouldn't want a manosphere man so why worry about us. Go after all the docile 'feminine' women who no doubt want you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:24 PM
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Women are becoming more low quality because we don't want to endure toxic masculinity. Reminds me of the men here who speak of the 'good women' of the 50s who stuck with men 'through thick and thin'.. and very often thick and thin includes infidelity, massive flaws on the man's part, disrespect and even mistreatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:23 PM
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Why are the men here so obsessed with the idea of 'putting a woman in her place/humbling her'? You all seem to get a bigger thrill out of that than the idea of sex or managing to get a gf. It indicates resentment/bitterness and abusive tendencies,.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:21 PM
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A lock down process? But men are more eager for relationships than women. Women ghost and dump. Women dump 75% of the time. If a woman has had a lot of partner, chances are she's dumped the majority of them. I know it doesn't fit into your fantasy, but it's true. But women and men who have slept around generally have no issues settling down. I have friends who range from being close to a virgin to having slept with a lot of men, who have chosen to settle down and have done so easily. She and the…
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 09:29 AM
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Eh? You've experienced over 1500 female friends? What does that even mean? Yes, a man knows far more about what goes on in women's heads...🙄
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 03:37 AM
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A man posted this topic trying to rile up women, then when some women respond, we're gaslit as being 'mad' and 'bothered'. Carry on looking out for young women. As a young woman, I have always appreciated older women looking out for me. I had no interest in the older men bothering me, but still, it was good to know I had older women looking out for me.
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 11:06 PM
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I'm a 'girl' in my 20s and I've always disliked older men pestering me. My friends are the same. 95% of them are coupled up with men a couple of years older (and the other 5% are within 10years either way of their spouse. I've had older women (and men) warn me away from predators and I was appreciative of their concern. Thankfully I was always switched on in that respect, and older men were unattractive to me, but I still appreciated older people not wanting me to be vulnerable. Most women/'girl…
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 11:03 PM
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You've written a lot here and all I'll say is... you overestimate how much the average woman thinks about/considers men. Perhaps it's solipsism. Perhaps it's projection. I'd imagine it's a bit of both.
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 10:48 PM
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The male and female 65+ stats are simple. Men die on average about 5 years before women (depending on the country). So if women die on average at 80, and men die on average at 75, there are obv going to be a lot of single women compared to single men because there are simply a lot more old women than old men. Age gaps of 3/4 years will affect things a little too. (63yo woman married to 67yo man), but the main thing is the difference in lifespan between genders.
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 10:42 PM
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If a woman doesn't want to settle, she shouldn't have to. (Same for men, before I get attacked). Why would you want to pressure women to go out with someone they don't want. It's no longer 1723; the options aren't 'take what you're given or starve.'
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 10:36 PM
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Women in general get married around the age of 29/30, regardless of looks. This weird 'wisdom of Chad' stuff is in your head. Typically women who get married pre-23 are either a) Christian and conservative, along with the groom or b) poor and uneducated.
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 10:30 PM
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Women and men shouldn't have to be talked into marriage if they don't want it. Live and let live. Don't try to pressure others into things they don't want.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 02:05 PM
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I don't know what that means. I know it's redpill/incel speak.. but beyond that? You find women over 35 less attractive? Alright? Good for you. Are they just supposed to live in a cave for the remaining 45 years of their lives?
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 02:02 PM
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And it leads to higher divorce rates. (2nd/3rd marriages and Ave gaps). Like I said, for a married woman, being free/single is the reward, but divorced men are often eager to get remarried. That should tell you about the relative benefits for men and women. Hint: men get more out of it. Yeah, I agree that women are less likely to settle now for men they don't want. But surely that's a good thing? Who, other than an abuser, wants a wife who is only with you out of necessity/desperation?
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 01:59 PM
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I'm speaking generally. Look up the stats. Women stress out less about being single than men do.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 01:39 PM
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'Make it past 35'.. don't look attractive to you? Is that what that means? I'm sure they're crying into their pillows every night lol. Big age gaps are rare. The stats show this. It might disappoint some men's fantasies here. But the truth is often what you don't want to hear.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 01:37 PM
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I don't need to shame 'young girls'. I am one. I am friends with many early 20s women. Most don't want men in their 30s. And the minority who do, go for it. They need convinced of nothing.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 01:35 PM
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Again, good for you. But you are the exception. Most of us young women don't want much older men. We speak about generalities here. Rare exceptions don't mean much.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 01:32 PM
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Good for you. Do you know what an outlier is? An exception? It means outside the norm/not what commonly happens. The average age gap is 2/3 years (man older) and large age gaps are rare.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 01:30 PM
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I've seen the adverts/TV programmes from the 70s/80s (put out by men) about women crying into ice cream after not getting phoned back/men not wanting to 'give up their freedom' and walk down the aisle with a 'ball and chain', but it's propaganda. It didn't really match reality then and it certainly doesn't now. Yeah, because men get more out of marriage, so they are more eager to remarry. We are in agreement. Men are more likely to marry a 2nd/3rd/4th time, or to enter into a rebound marriage (w…
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 01:29 PM
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That's true. Tons of men do too. There are ways of having children without marrying at 25 to a man you don't really want/won't make you happy. And most women want 2, maybe 3 children, so things are nearly as pressurised/time sensitive as the manosphere likes to make out.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 01:24 PM
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Where have I stated that a dozen Henry Cavill-lookalikes are knocking my door down? I'm happy enough in my personal life, but you'll never see me bragging about anything to a bunch of anons on Reddit
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 01:22 PM
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For one it can't be proven. And anon can say whatever they like on the Internet. And 2. It hits so many of the redpill fantasty talking points. If it's true, it's an exception to the rule. On average, women overwhelmingly prefer to couple up* (marriage/children) with men about 2/3 years older. Age gaps over 8-10 years are rare. *Harder to get data on ONS/FWBs/Sugar dating. I'm speaking about real desire/commitment.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 01:21 PM
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Why would a 'handsome can-get-any-young-girl-I-want, winning in life' (looked at your comment history) guy care about this? If you're wanting to LARP as a desirable, worthwhile man, you need to lay off the bitterness/incel talk.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 09:04 AM
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Men want both sex and relationships more than women. Women are happier with zero interaction with the opposite sex than vice versa. Hope that helps. Men here: don't just go to the gym. Work on having the sort of personality that will add value to a Woman's life/be worthwhile to her. Then she might choose to commit to you, but don't be petulant if she doesn't. Women should never have to settle.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 09:02 AM
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Men like this hate accountability.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 09:00 AM
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You're on allpill/purple pill a lot. Doubt it.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 08:59 AM
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But men are more eager for commitment than women in 2023 (women can make our own money more easily), so men are working for sex and commitment. Women who are single desire to change it less than men do. Women dump and divorce at x3 the rate men do. And notoriously men fall apart after being widowed/divorced more than women do. Women hold the cards in terms of sex and commitment.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 08:58 AM
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Revenge fantasy cope.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 08:56 AM
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Ultimately it doesn't really matter, as most women don't want to be with men significantly older than them (you can point to yourself or 'this guy you know', but exceptions don't make the rule), and consistently, in many countries for centuries the average age gap is 2/3 years for marriage (man older). So men can find what they like attractive, but if they unlikely to be wanted back by that age demographic, it's a bit of a moot point.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 08:55 AM
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Not really. Most younger women don't like big age gaps (I'm speaking based on marriage/babies, etc, - it's harder fo get a metric on ONS/FWBS/sugar dating). Older men think of younger women as malleable, but we're not that malleable, or age gap dating would be way more common. Our preferences are just as valid, and for the most part we dislike Big age gaps.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 08:49 AM
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I'm a woman in my 20s, and I have an issue with older men pestering me, as do my friends. Most younger women do (which is why the vast majority of us like to be with guys our age or 2/3 years older), but men who go for very young women think that very young women's opinions/preferences can be ignored or shaped. It's part of the appeal.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 08:44 AM
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An American man who's a 5 can actually date a 5+ in So, you admit you're equivalent is the lowest end of the range you would settle for. Women are superficial, but you would only want yourself or better? Is this not hypergamy but for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:58 AM
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in western countries social pressure has been applied to make women go outside of their natural feminine nature. This is pure conjecture on your part. Don't you find it convenient that the most patriarchal countries are the ones where women act most 'according to their true feminine natures'? In many non-Western countries, femicide, DV, SA and forced gender roles (being made to pick up after their brothers) are pushed on girls from childhood? How can you say that women are the most free to be th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:57 AM
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If you say so. You really overestimate how many women know/care about this niche online phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:52 AM
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There's definitely a stereotype of chad jock-types being idiots/sexists/arseholes, etc. Sack, for example, from Wedding Crashers. But I see some of this as manipulation. It's like the men here are saying 'all handsome, successful men are terrible misogynists, so women ought to stay awaym'
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:52 PM
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PUA who have stuck at it have said stuff along these lines. They say that they managed to get a lot of sex over the years, but it altered their view of women. Half of their notches came from women who were cheating on a husband/fiance/bf or from a ONS where the woman ghosted after. Plenty fizzled out soon. PUAs come out quite bitter and misogynistic, but in a way I think it's good, because it shatters this, 'we men make mistakes and lie, cheat and hurt others, but women are angels who would neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:50 PM
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I think what some people forget here is that some women just... like casual sex. Fewer women are into casual sex than men, absolutely, for a variety of reasons (pregnancy/STD risk, sexual violence/violence/not orgasming, lower libido, etc). But still, there's an idea here (and more broadly with men who don't understand female sexuality), that if a woman agrees/is eager to have sex with a man, then he essentially has her if he wants commitment, and that the misogynist has her on a string. I know …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:45 PM
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Lol so you basically show why feminism is a thing. You describe the old 'wife' role can all too easily lead to a woman being bossed around and threatened when she dares to express an incompatible opinion or attempts to defend herself from abuse.
/r/MensRights05/08/23 10:01 PM
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I wouldn't date a man more than 4 years older man me (or 4 years younger). I am only in my 20s, but I doubt it will change as I get older. I am only really attracted to guys my own age, for a multitude of reasons. 80% of couples I know are within 5 or 6 years of each other (either way). 95% are within a 10tyear gap. It's what most people gravitate to, and statistically, the smaller the age gap, the more likely things will last.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:00 AM
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The women in your social circle are outliers. If what you say is true, they are skewing your perception. In reality, most women in their 20s don't end up with guys 'from their mid-30s to late 40s (lol such a big range), so I wouldn't get complacent about waiting until 43 and having a 26yo interested in you, because a 17year age gap is actually really rare. Average age gap is 2-3 years (man older).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 12:56 AM
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If smoking weed was a deal breaker (it is for me), I wouldn't ever go out with the man to begin with. Being okay with something and then gradually changing (perhaps once he thought he had 'hooked' her enough) is sneaky and manipulative. They are better off apart, and hopefully Jonah's matured and his current wife/gf isn't slowly having things complained about regarding her life that he seemingly had no issue with at the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:00 PM
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Where does it say that Arab men are desired?
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 06:25 PM
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I'm not sure they are especially. Depends on what group of women you're speaking about.
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 06:21 PM
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It really exposes how BS the whole 'Women shouldn't have a political voice because they vote too much from emotional/subjectivity, rather than objective rationality like we men.' Studies have been done on this. Men categorised as unhappy in their own lives (single, sexless, poor, etc) are more likely to vote against pro women/democracy/society type policies. There's a real, 'I'm miserable and so should everyone else be' vibe. Women, on the other hand, have been judged to be the ones more likely …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:10 PM
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Yet so many Redpillers are still on Twitter/Youtube/Reddit saying the same things ad nauseum. And I see very few men who could be described as objectively successful or happy. Obv success is different to each person, but can you point me to a RP man who shows his face who you see as admirable at all? TrollX isn't a dating strategy sub, though, or a self-improvement one. It's one talking about general social/political occurrences e.g domestic violence/revenge porn etc. It's male equivalent would …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 10:52 PM
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So similarly I can point out that a lot of 'western men' are fat/playing video games all day/whiny on Reddit if We're going for generalisations of the opposite sex? How are we undateable if we can still get dates? Women are the ones leaving dating sites. Clubs are struggling to get women to attend and mingle with guys. Women reject cold approaches on the street. Women dump and divorce at x3 the rate men do. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that women are the ones being neglected. Perha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 08:13 PM
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Great. I agree. The majority of the problems women on this sub have is the lack of reciprocation implied in some of the comments/posts by men. Love, devotion/loyalty/faithfulness, respect, investment and even admiration for a spouse/gf/bf are all fine things to look for, but it should be mutual. Sometimes there is a 'men want/need' vibe to these posts that implies that only men should feel entitled to respect, devotion, loyalty, etc. Reciprocation and mutual investment is key.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 08:02 PM
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So if a woman said that a priority for her was that her bf/must admire her, you'd accept that, rather than seeing her as arrogant/wanting princess/queen treatment?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 06:44 PM
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So men like this think a woman's sexuality should be centered around appealing to a man's ego/men's egos, rather than her own preferences/boundaries?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:32 PM
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So does a prostitute seem more into him because she's pretty and 'better in the bedroom' lol? What a weird standard to throw in there?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:06 PM
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Typically men want beautiful women, and typically women want handsome men. What's your point? Feminine is extremely vague. Some use it to describe a Woman's style of dress/hobbies; some use it as a dog whistle for more nefarious descriptors like subservient and passive. So, no, to say that most men want 'feminine' women isn't as obvious as you think it is. If what you say is true about yourself, you are still just talking about one man - yourself. I personally doubt that a well-adjusted, happily…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:05 PM
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I guess. It comes from a scarcity mindset. I would never go somewhere where ten men are eager to be with me purely because there are few other men around/I am white/I am wealthy/other reason nothing to do with me as a person, but everyone's different. It's still exploitative a lot of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 04:59 PM
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'I need a woman to make my life easier not harder.' - Women feel the same way; if you acknowledged women as humans, rather than merely the chattel of men, designed to help, please and praise, regardless of her own wants/needs/dreams, you would know that. Looking at your other responses, you seem to be a troll/provocateur, so let's leave it there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 04:57 PM
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I can point to numerous micro examples of men encouraging other men to be 'difficult' to women/their wives as well. So what? Framing yourself as 'the customer' implies that you see women as the property of men/passive non-sentient objects be picked up if valuable/dropped if not. Unless you agree that you are also a potential product for female customers? That way, it still is quite a distasteful way of describing relationships, but at least you don't sound like you want to own a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 04:55 PM
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Are the women independently wealthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 04:49 PM
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Because it doesn't come from a genuine place of authenticity/desire/wanting to treat the men that. It comes from circumstances/desperation. If the men are content with that than fine. But don't brag about women abroad genuinely being more into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:55 PM
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You don't speak on behalf of all men. There are tons of men who would hate to be lumped in with your broad statements of 'what we men want'. Leave them alone. Gosh, 'failed, unfeminine, and opinionated.' Your red flags really are just flying all over the place. I hope you don't find the doormat/servant/fawner who would complement you. She'd be miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:43 PM
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More men are NEETS (not in education, employment or training) than women. More women have and see friends than men. And men have more free time. I thought that was well-known.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:41 PM
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Men work less, are in education less and volunteer less than women. They also have fewer friends and social circle ties. So what are they busier doing? Playing video games and posting on Reddit? You are too busy and independent to deal with anyone other than a dependent woman who will cater to you? How sad that sounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:28 PM
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What is difficult? Leaving when we are mistreated? Thinking we deserve an education and our own finances if we want them? Having boundaries? Telling men 'no'?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:27 PM
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How old are you? How tall are you? What would you rate yourself out of ten? (I am asking because I want to know if an entitled, delusional man is criticising women for being entitled and delusional.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:25 PM
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10/10 parody of an insignificant/screen-addicted guy thinking he's one of the magnificent warlords he's played on Xbox.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:24 PM
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I notice that. I know some men who struggle with dating, and are a bit down about it (though from what I can tell, not bitter), but they would never consider moving abroad because they have strong ties with family and friends, are fond of their country and want to make the most of things here. I imagine that a lot of people who just pack up 30 or 40 years into their life must be quite solitary men, men who don't have strong ties/memories linking them with their country.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:21 PM
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Pillars of the community/responsible men/men who are not bottom of the barrel don't cheat on their wives (who do nothing but cook and clean for them, to quote you) and speak cheerfully about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:18 PM
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Ahh, so this is an example where a woman can be listened to about dating/issues for men/relationships? None of the I wouldn't ask a fish how to catch fish/ignore what women say, watch what they do' I'd imagine it has something to do with her agreeing with your stance/saying nice things about passport bros? Are you a big fan of JustPearlyThings?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:17 PM
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'For example, foreign women haven't bought into this combative / competitive "I must prove I'm just like a man" mindset that western women have bought in to.' How much is that individual choice on the woman's part, as opposed to poverty/corruption and the patriarchy in the church conditioning her to act a certain way? Women don't do certain things once held from us (go to university, earn a lot of money, enter certain careers) because we want to prove we are as 'good as men'; we do it to free us…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:12 PM
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Women (a small minority of women in society) respond because the men can never just compliment women abroad/speak about how happy they are. They always have to compare local women negatively and insult them. Almost as if that was the goal all along. You already know this though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:58 PM
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We aren't competing, though. Most women haven't noticed any difference. They go on dates with men they are interested in, and don't notice what's going on with the ones they aren't interested in. I'm sorry, but the revenge-fantasy is no closer to becoming reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:56 PM
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So your self-worth hinges on validation from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:54 PM
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'This is what people gloss over about passport bros and somehow think every country is as wealthy as the USA is . Total delusion.' Nobody thinks that, wtf? People point out constantly that American (and British/Canadian, I guess) Passport Bros go to poorer countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:52 PM
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Admiration for what? I love how men will just slip in casually that most men here expect 'admiration from their women', yet call women entitled and delusional/arrogant constantly. Admiration usually requires being great at something. A lot of men here seem to want to just strut into a poorer country and be treated like a coddled prince/mini-God for nothing other than their gender and nationality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:51 PM
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So what do the men here actually want? The wholesome angel who is a virgin on her wedding day, or the receptive 22yo who will 'give up the pussy'? I see the the same accounts tweet this and other contradictions daily. An indication that the men here don't actually know what they want/what they are talking about and just want to whine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:49 PM
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'Strong masculine men' wouldn't need to go to a place where women are deliberately disadvantaged so that they are dependent on men. They would see that as the weak man's route.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:32 PM
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It's not just that. The surveys/facts/statistics that come out about marriages in India are shocking. Also marital rape is condoned. These are not Stereotypes.
/r/AllPillDebate29/06/23 11:59 AM
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Imagine not going to Iceland or New Zealand, but instead going to countries more associated with poverty/corruption and where rates of violence against women and femicide is higher. If such strong social conditioning needs to be pushed onto women to be 'feminine', then you can't really call it women's true nature. The places where women have the most wealth/opportunities and freedom/autonomy are the places where women exhibit their nature their true nature the most. I wish the men here would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 11:15 AM
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Yes, typing quickly and making a mistake or not having English as a first language is completely on the same level as leveraging your wealth in a country where you believe women are disadvantaged socially and therefore more likely to act in a way that you think they should naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:12 AM
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As a European woman from a country where there are quite a few Indian immigrants, Indian men don't have a good reputation for how they treat Indian women/view women in general. We hear all sorts about marriages/women's lives in India and we don't want it for ourselves.
/r/AllPillDebate29/06/23 12:54 AM
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What about Eastern Europe? South America?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 12:09 AM
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Of course it does. It's very demeaning. Do you serve your male or female boss? Would you prefer to say you just work there? Men deliberately use servile, humiliating language and then act baffled when women are irritated by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 11:32 PM
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Apart from sensible women staying away?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 11:31 PM
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Yes! I hate this idea that married women barely worked before 1960. It is a very time and place (1950s America) sliver of history. For the vast majority of history, the majority of women had to work in some capacity outside the home. They couldn't afford not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 11:29 PM
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Also, people criticise women in the west for 'not having enough children' and speak of going to Eastern Europe, South America and Japan/Thailand to have more of a 'family-oriented woman', but the fertility rate is as low in Eastern Europe is as low as it is in Western Europe. South America isn't far off replacement rate and Japanese and Thai women don't have too many children either. So it seems that, when given the choice, women from all countries gravitate in the same direction. Divorce rates …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 11:27 PM
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How? When 50% of women earn and contribute as much or more to the household than men? And still do more housework? If anyone's benefiting from wanting their cake and having it, it's men lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 11:23 PM
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I agree. When you log off and speak to your friends and family, all of this online rhetoric just seems stranger and stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 08:37 PM
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Passport Bros are the outliers to most men. Most men (not just in the US) marry women from their own country. Passport Bros have spiritual ancestors, though they are mostly white (Louis Theroux Thai Bride doc - same talking points of 'femininity' by the men that I see here). There is a a big stigma against men needing to go abroad to get someone interested in them. They are either seen as pathetic (as no woman wants them) or potentially abusive (as an entire country of women isn't subservient en…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 07:23 AM
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Are you joking? Vietnam is big for sexpats, and there is a disgustingly big child sex work 'business'.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 07:18 AM
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The funniest thing is that the men most likely to spout the 'no baggage/no damaged women/no trauma' line are manosphere men, many of whom got cheated on/left in 2014 and are still trolling the subs, speaking about how Japanese women are more 'feminine' and how women shouldn't have the vote. Talk about trauma/baggage. So many men here have been badly hurt by one woman *years ago and continue to project that onto all women. Ask yourself why any woman would want that? they *say they don't want dama…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:30 AM
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Are you being serious? No one's forcing you to interact with women, certainly not women. You're the ones mostly whining about being neglected by women because you're not in the top 20/10/1% or whatever, and how all women want Chads. In most other subs this would immediately be branded as satire of an out-of-touch entitled man. It says a lot about the quality of this sub that this is said freely and seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:24 AM
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This is so wrong. Twitter and YouTube are a cesspit of Misogyny. There are dozens and dozens, hundreds even accounts entitled 'women posting their Ls', 'feminists being schooled', 'women being humbled', 'delusional women', etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:19 AM
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Women who are more 'carefree'/open to cheating/chaos for the sake of it might prefer seeing a guy with a wife/gf/women. The rest of steer clear, if we were even interested to begin with. Hope that clears things up!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 11:11 PM
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Ditch Western Women a few days ago, by GayLubeOil (who seems to be looked up to in that community and has been posting for years and years). Someone a year ago posted about Colombia (specifically saying he at one point wanted to settle down). It got quite a lot of upvotes for a redpill post and some people chimed in saying they had high hopes for the Philippines/Thailand, etc UncleVasley posted a couple about 90% of men on the subreddit still 'having bluepill hopes (marriage)" bluepill oreas/des…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:16 AM
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Most young men in the manosphere are of a 'tradish' mindset, or in general? Those two things are quite different to me. I know plenty of young men who are in a relationship/engaged/married with kids, etc, yet their wife works and the man isn't foaming for 'submission/reverence'. It seems men have their own preferences and problems and project that onto all young men/all men. Don't you have a varied social life? There are normal/happy couples everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:13 AM
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'Also, this divorce rate increase with age is mostly a Western thing. In a lot of other countries a 10+ age gap is normal and divorce can be incredibly rare in that culture.' Are you speaking about Northern Africa/the Middle East? The largest age gap is just over 9 years in Afghanistan, where girls, actual girls, are being married on average at the age of 15. Large age gaps are very big in very poor countries where child/forced marriage is common and women have low autonomy. This obviously facto…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:09 AM
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In whose mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:58 AM
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Right, we don't know for sure. What it does prove is that money isn't everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/23 02:14 AM
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You can't be assured a wife for life. Wives aren't possessions. If women are unhappy/mistreated, naturally we should be able to leave. What, in case you end up being one of the 9% of divorces that result in men paying alimony? There's a higher risk of a wife experiencing domestic violence than a man having to pay out alimony. Just don't insist that she's a housewife and you won't have to pay it unless you're a millionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/23 02:13 AM
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You're quite harsh toward women in this comment.. 'ugly femcels', 'bimbos', 'beautiful women "too picky" to put out for the average man'. I point it that because it's regularly a talking point that ugly and average men are ignored treated terribly by women/broader society. Yet here we are talking about the entitlement of an average looking non-virgin older male desiring a beautiful young virgin (or close to it) who will 'put out', but who is also not a bimbo. If I follow your narrative, men here…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/23 01:16 AM
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The fact that you list millionaires/famous actors getting divorced as some sort of 'women are impossible to please' gotcha is very telling. For all we know, these men may be terrible partners. It's as if the men here want to buy a wife and dislike that there is more to a lasting marriage than simply the man having money.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/23 01:05 AM
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It's 40% if both the woman and the man are marrying for the first time. People on their 2nd and 3rd marriages drag the average up as subsequent marriages are less likely to work. I see this '50%' stat thrown around a lot but a lot of people haven't examined it to see the full statistic (or choose to misrepresent it).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/23 01:03 AM
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The dying wives one? It's a known phenomenon. Doctors and nurses have reported on it. Women who get diagnosed with MS/Cancer are specifically asked 'who else do you have as a strong support?' even when they say they are married, whereas for men, saying they have a wife is enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/23 12:49 AM
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That same study says that the fewer sexual partners there are for the man the better too for sexual satisfaction/relationship longevity. A young virgin woman still doesn't want to marry 'and be submissive' to an old man though. Either it is completely transactional and she will leave him as soon as a richer man comes along, or she has effectively even sold to him and it is against her will. What is the appeal for the woman in this situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 05:31 PM
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No way. Men will marry at around 30ish to 30ish yo women, as they have been doing. These pairings are good (both in terms of small age gap and ages married) as they are the least likely to divorce. Not all men under 30 want a child. Same as a lot of women under 30 do not want a child. Most men (who have heard of it) consider the manosphere to be a joke. Successful men and even many average men are just living their lives happily, changing what needs to be changed to make themselves happy on an i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 04:24 PM
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No, there aren't. This is a redpill delusion. The ones who are okay with men cheating either a) are cheating themselves or b) see that be earns a lot and are staying for the money/lifestyle. Either way, there is no wholesome genuine desire or whatever else. Women with self-respect who want proper relationships/families wouldn't entertain this kind of degeneracy, and the men who genuinely care about making society better wouldn't want them to. I said that the stereotypical ideal wifey type of you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 04:20 PM
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I'm not saying they don't choose to be virgins. I am saying that they have less choice over who they marry and that if the man turns out to be a bad choice/they have less opportunity to leave him/divorce. Why would a 20yo Muslim virgin pick Myron, a man who sleeps around, brags about it, encourages other men to, all the while decrying modern degeneracy? Will she overlook all of this stuff for no other reason other than that he has money (from this business)? I am not saying there are not excepti…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 03:52 PM
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You put 'men love idealistically' as if this is some kind of good point/well-meaning but naive blindspot that men have. In reality, the men who speak about this seem to be frustrated that they were unable to mould a woman they met into the perfect beautiful/adoring/devoted/maid/second mother/porn star in bed doll that would have suited them best. They seem disappointed that they have to deal with another human being, with her own failings, mistakes, dreams and priorities. The fact that men aband…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 03:35 PM
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Yet plenty of men are still getting married/have it as a life goal. How sociopathic that you need 'authority over women'/the knowledge that no matter how difficult things are for her it will be difficult for her to leave. I am speaking about the most well-known ones. Can you give me an example of a man you genuinely admire who considers himself RP? Why would they need a specific subreddit then if it was just along the same lines as the usual board's 'live life on your terms and Maintain frame, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:58 PM
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That will never happen. All or even most men will never become redpilled. It will remain a minority. You are trying to force women to change their preferences. If a woman doesn't want to get married at 22, she doesn't want to get married at 22. Why would you want to push a person into a situation they do not want? Many women are open to or even want marriage in their future. But we don't care about it enough to change their goals/entire life plan just to fit into the role you propose.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:52 PM
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I don't think Brian from Whatever has multiple gfs. He seems like a massive dork who is in this for the money. Chase (the other vocal one) is a Christian and supposedly a born again virgin saving himself for marriage. Stirling Cooper is on there but he says he mainly gets with porn stars. Fresh from F&F was getting scammed by a woman who wanted his money, and Myron is rich and it seems pretty transactional.. The women who go on the podcasts aren't representative of all or even many women. No wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:38 PM
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Yes, but the marriage with a young Muslim woman lasting is due to ber having relatively little choice/autonomy, even if she was desperately unhappy. If we're speaking about happy healthy enduring marriages or just relationships that based on free will on both sides, we need to throw out Myron's 'I'm going to do my thing, go and meet some middle Eastern father and get what I want because I have money."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:31 PM
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They have definitely said it. LTRelationships, marriage, children, 'wifey material' debates/videos etc come up often, far beyond the scope of the casual sex and that's it image that the redpill projects. Also, do you believe them about the gf thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 01:11 PM
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How does that contradict what I've said?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 01:08 PM
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But even going back to the early days, marriage was brought up (even in the form of '90% of you still want marriage/go abroad for 'wife material'/a benefit of a younger woman is that you can supposedly 'train' her to become a unicorn). PUAs from years ago spoke of their eventual desire to settle down. I am not an expert, but it seems there were only about half a dozen contributers who were in the 'no marriage' camp, and even some of them wandered over to redpillwomen and said that if they met a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 01:07 PM
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I bring up marriage because redpillers bring it up so much. I disagree. I can't think of redpill tactics leading to a healthy and enduring relationship/marriage. Perhaps it does happen, but I think it's far more likely to push things in the other direction. Some of the recognisable redpill faces are single/have never had a serious relationship/are with women that are ordinarily demonised by the redpill. Most people on MRP seem on the brink of divorce, and even redpill women (the most vocal subse…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 01:01 PM
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There are posts about going abroad (not as sexpats, but for finding traditional wives). There have been posts telling men not to use redpill tactics for bluepill goals (marriage), there have been 'endgame" type posts where when still say they want to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 10:52 AM
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Many women outearn men in their 20s when they are single and childless. Men earn more when they get in relationships, and women earn less. This is because men typically work harder/more when they have a family to support, and having a fiance/wife/family has been proven as a benefit in terms of getting promoted/a pay rise, etc. Women often cut back on hours/have career breaks when they have children. Without getting married, women have the possibility of earning a lot. And even within marriage, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 10:50 AM
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yes, but if a woman is less likely to be on psych meds, that doesn't mean that she is necessarily more happy/less in need of help. There are countries where basic physical health care is lacking. People don't have the luxury to go and get help for being depressed. There are also countries where seeking help for mental health is stigmatised (much how things were here in the 50s) as 'crazy'. So again, women aren't necessarily happier/better off. Toward the middle of the 20th century, they noticed …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:16 AM
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Rates of the man not doing housework/cheating and being violent increase when the woman is the breadwinner/earns considerably more than the man. Some men feel emasculated, and take it out in the most basic way possible. It's not purely down to women being snobs, but men being actively detrimental to women's lives when women are high earners. Divorce rates also increase men men have slept with a lot of women (not to the same extent), yet that is always played down. Men are often more likely to ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:06 AM
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You do understand that what women want is relevant to discussions regarding dating/relationships, right? There was quite a bit of solipsism in your response, as if women must cater to men's preferences, regardless of our own. My point is that the manosphere tries to pressure women to cater to their preferences (don't sleep around, stay as close to being a virgin as possible), yet doesn't take our views into account when we say (and prove with evidence) that by and large we aren't reciprocating t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 01:59 AM
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First off, please don't project 'submission, low n count' as what men want. Manosphere men do not represent all men thankfully. That really is a bad habit a lot of you have, trying to project your desires as the narrative of 'how things are when it comes to men.' You're basically highlighting why redpillers are seen as predatory. You want to target women not long out of their teens (if that) because you think that they will be more biddable/easier to mold. Men racking up notches doesn't correlat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 01:51 AM
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'Obtain'
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 01:39 AM
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You massively overplay how many men are dedicated to that redpill goal. Also, plenty of women would just say, 'fine'. I'm going to continue to live my life. Women don't need marriage anymore. We earn our own money. It has to be something made appealing for us to want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 12:52 AM
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Right, but why are they promoting big age gaps, which are more likely to lead to divorce/breaking up of the family? If they truly cared, they would suggest marrying someone around your age, but they ignore things they don't want to acknowledge while clinging to virgin statistics to back up their preferences. I can't take any west/east comparisons seriously from people who don't recognise how much low divorce rates in certain countries are contingent on the woman being poor and oppressed by the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 12:50 AM
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Yes, they instead prefer to speak about going to places where there is still injustice, but toward women. That's the redpill way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 12:15 AM
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But what's all of the 'the matrix is out to get you/we are on the outskirts of the mainstream' society stuff then? That does sound reasonable/basic. Hardly the ugly truth/opposite of the Disney dream? Who is out there telling men that women prefer them flabby/poor/awkward? The controversial stuff is the 'dread women/women are children teenagers/women should share a high value man stuff'.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 11:41 PM
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So you think most of these men online are fake? Some of this thinking/cherrypicking goes back years though, when things were far more underground.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 11:16 PM
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Then why are multiple people still on this sub making posts every day, as well as redpill women? Why are dating profiles being posted on Tinder/niceguys/creepy PMs with guys using lingo/stances directly lifted from the redpill sidebar/the tenets.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 11:04 PM
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For young men, you specified.. so perhaps for older men? But these redpill older men still claim to want young women? So ghe cherrypicking of risk still applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:57 PM
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But it's still alive today and many proclaimed redpillers make these points/cherry pick.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:55 PM
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Even going back to the 'heyday' of when the 'quality posts' were being made and the manosphere was it its rawest/truest form (the subreddit and a few select blogs) marriage was still discussed frequently and a few men scolded what they described as 'most' of the redpillers still trying to use 'redpill tactics for bluepill goals (marriage). Hell, the subreddit redpillwomen was started and mainly ran by redpill men and much of the advice was how to get women to be appealing for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:54 PM
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Yes, absolutely. But why is it that in manosphere spaces, women are told to aim for what's likely, and men are told to reach for merely what's possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:51 PM
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Do you not understand percentages? It's not a light argument. Age gaps are rare, and they have a higher risk of failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:50 PM
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Then why do so many girls and women have accounts of being mistreated? bad sexual experiences because a man/boy's pornsick brain didn't realise that you ask a woman/girl before you slap her/spit in her face, and that just because the porn star seemed to like it doesn't mean she will? why is domestic abuse the biggest risk at early ages? why do women often an account of being harassed at school/having a rumour spread by guys? why is revenge porn such a thing? why do women first report being leere…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:47 PM
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There have been multiple posts from endorsed contributers (some going back years) where they state 'most of you are clearly still trying to use redpill tactics to achieve bluepill goals (marriage'). On Twitter and YouTube, many men who say they are redpill/part of the manosphere spend a lot of time talking about wifey material/traditional women 'trained to be wives' who can be found abroad, 'career women not understanding that men don't "select" based on that', etc. If most redpillers genuinely …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:40 PM
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I acknowledged that. What about my second paragraph?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:36 PM
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The 'reading the sidebar'/redpill must reads stuff all mention.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:25 PM
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I am speaking about Andrew Tate/Myron Gaines from F&F, pick up artistists, men who are very far from traditional themselves but still speak of their requirements for a wife and cherry pick to suit their preferences. Many consider those guys grifters, but even on redpill twitter/the reddit posts (some going back years), many men still have that ultimate goal of marriage. In fact, I've seen posts from endorsed contributers chiding the followers for still 'using redpill for a bluepill goal (marriag…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:24 PM
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It's not just trad men. There are many PUA types who speak about ultimately wanting to marry, hoping to find their wife on the streets through day game, etc. Yes, I know what they say, but I'm looking at what they do. Many posts/comments/videos, etc feature marriage/wife material discourse, even from the men who don't seem at all traditional themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:21 PM
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How is it focused on the outcome? There isn't a defined outcome (beyond 'live the life you want to live') and even in redpill spaces they admit that they believe most of the guys are arguing and theorising.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:19 PM
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The reason I choose marriage is because it's the best way of working out age gaps in women and men (along with age when first becoming parents). I understand that there are people in relationships who are unmarried/uninterested in marriage, but this is the best way of showing data when it comes to seriousness/commitment. I agree that there is probably data available about sugar dating age gaps, but that seems a bit pointless as it's transactional and not based on desire/love. I did use first mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:16 PM
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Choosy beggars.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:02 PM
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This seems like quite an unrealistic plan to me. I would say 'live and let live' if they weren't so critical of women's 'delusions/fantasies/entitlement'.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:00 PM
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But all the material that people work from is on the Internet. That seems like a bit of a cop-out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 09:59 PM
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I agree about female fertility. But you're 'men no matter what age will be attracted to young fertile women' point has been met with my point that this is largely useless if young women don't reciprocate. Men here act as if men's desires are innate/biological/rigid, yet women's are malleable and must adjust to men's. That's not how things work. If anything, if we look at the ages women and men first get married/have babies, men are catering more to women's preferences, as age gaps are quite smal…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 09:58 PM
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But, despite TRP being anti-marriage or claiming to be, a lot of conversation does revolve around marriage/lowering chance of divorce/finding a wifey-type, so it's relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 09:55 PM
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Men should marry young themselves if they want a young virgin wife. Virgin women prefer virgin men though if they are religious. Though, like I said, both the woman and the man marrying at age 28-32 have the best chance of success. TRP are a bunch of hypocrites. You can't sleep around (or try to) until you are 32 and then complain that there aren't enough marriageable women (I'll guess obedient, young, virginal and housewife-ish?) to marry. For those women who exist, why would they want a Redpil…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 09:54 PM
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The college one is really bad. It's an attempt to pain educated women as terrible/even discourage women from education, when, as you say, couples where both the woman and the man have been to university are the most likely to last. This also puts the argument to bed that 'men couldn't care less about a woman's education when it comes to marriage.' They either a) are too incompetent to interpret data properly or b) are deliberately misrepresenting it. The horrible Christian Chase on the Whatever …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 09:49 PM
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Wow, it's even higher than I thought. It's almost half. 'In almost half of opposite-sex marriages in the US, women now earn at least as much or more than their husbands. Nearly one-third of wives earn roughly the same amount as their husbands, while the woman is the primary or sole breadwinner in 16% of marriages, according to a Pew Research Center report released Thursday.' - Bloomberg, 2023, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-13/women-earn-the-same-or-more-than-their-husbands-in-n…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 09:42 PM
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Face the facts. Women by and large don't like older men. The average age gap in marriage is two years. Many men can prefer 20yo fertile women all they like until they are 100, but it doesn't mean anything is going to be done about it, because it is rarely reciprocated. Women don't feel pressured to settle before you are ready (if at all).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 09:02 PM
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40% of women earn as much as or more than their husbands. Why is the average age gap in marriage only 2 years (man older) then? I can't speak to sugar dating statistics, but in terms of who women commit to (marriage/children) we by and large stick to men our age. Which is great, because those relationships last the longest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 08:58 PM
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Henry Cavill didn't have a glow up. Look up early 20s Henry Cavill in the Tudors. He was always very handsome..n Yes, I know that's what Rollo said in his little graph, but how many 23yo women do you actually see committing to/marrying 38yo men? Out there in the real world? 2.6% of marriages have the man 15+ years older, and many of those will be involving women much older than 23. Generalising what 'men want' as beautiful and 'agreeable' is wrong. Most men Wouldn't want to be tarred with the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 08:57 PM
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I don't think this is necessarily a tradcon belief. If you look at couples of the past/conservative couples who have been married for decades, they are pretty close in age, because both married quite young. I would say in the past it was a general sexist belief and it has been taken over by the redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 08:50 PM
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This seems to be going off the redpill 'women gatekeepers sex/men gatekeep relationships' binary point. It makes little sense, though, because women want relationships less than men, and can easily get one if they want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 08:48 PM
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Yes, I will never be put down for having 'masculine' traits, especially since so many of them seem to be linked with what a human needs to protect themselves/get things out of life e.g self-confidence, boundaries, the ability to speak up/assertiveness, etc. I am surrounded by people who love me for who I am, and would not want to be anywhere near someone who would demonise me for having the qualities needed to get by/not be vulnerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 08:47 PM
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Most women work (many full time) and 40% earn as much or more than their husbands/bfs, yet they are still lumbered with more of the housework/childcare load? Men really shouldn't be barking up the 'you want traditional but aren't prepared to be traditional yourself' tree, because, all in all, it seems there are more men wanting a housewife type yet happy to share the burden of providing than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 08:44 PM
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I find it very interesting that redpillers state how much they dislike divorce and use 'trying to reduce the risk of it' as an excuse to go for virgins (as there is a lower chance), but ignore the fact that one of the biggest predictors of divorce is a large age gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 08:32 PM
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I barely know any, so I wouldn't know. They're pretty rare, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 08:27 PM
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They go after women because they believe we're more malleable/biddable, so they think that if they state their narrative with enough authority we young women will magically change our preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 08:26 PM
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Some redpillers go abroad to do their pick up. And if they're in a country where the age of consent is 17/16/15, they'll research it and try to get a girl that young. they'd go lower if they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 08:25 PM
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Agreed. I'm younger too, and there's a lot of effort going into this argument. If younger women really did like older men, then we would see it more in the world around us, and men wouldn't need to come online and make posts everyday of what we are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 08:24 PM
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Great point! The redpillers list exactly what draws them to younger women outside of looks and it's creepy (malleable, eager to please, easily pleased, submissive). Redpillers do more by speaking their truth than 'bitter feminists' could ever hope to do with propaganda if they were so inclined. And young women are paying attention. Though it's a bit of a non-issue, as young women don't really like much older (8+ years) men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 08:21 PM
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So younger women are wrong, older men who are fathers are wrong and older women are bitter and wrong? The only group that are right are the men who want to date women much younger than them? How convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 08:18 PM
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Young women are on Twitter, Tiktok, YouTube and Reddit speaking constantly about their revulsion to older men hitting on them. Also in real life I have heard it multiple times from my friends and female family members. I have also felt it myself. But part of the appeal of younger women for older men is the belief that young women have a 'malleability/willingness to believe what the man says', so men can ignore what they say/pressure them to date above their age. Regardless, women marry men on av…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 08:11 PM
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So, by that logic, redpillwomen only having 70,000 followers means that even fewer women are interested in having male-led relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 05:21 PM
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Also often submissive = lazy. A submissive person isn't that way because they're just so devoted to the other person. It's because they can't be bothered and would rather put things onto the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 05:17 PM
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And if you ask the majority of redpillers what their past experience is, they either were cheated on/left by their wives or have never had a proper relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 05:15 PM
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I don't know any male-led relationships. I live in the UK, and I see plenty of long-lasting happy marriages, but they're equals. The man takes the lead in areas where he knows more. The woman does in areas that she knows more about. It's based on skillset, not gender, and is flexible. I see men who are more outgoing/type A than their wives, but the wives are still not submissive. I also know plenty of marriages where the woman is the more 'together/type A' one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 05:12 PM
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It's an insidious tactic to create a narrative where their personal preference is normalised, in the hopes that they will get what they want. For example, manosphere podcasters will say, 'men want..', or 'men don't care about' and then proceed to give an opinion that is entirely their own, or, at most, common in the manosphere. When they are met with, 'don't tarnish all men with the same brush. They aren't all like you. Most don't think like you.', they have a common response: *'Yeah, well, they…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 05:09 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 01:58 AM
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Sure. That's why you're on here so much debating semantics with incels. Women are lining up and you've got just the sex/romantic life you crave. I'm sorry, but there's too much juvenile crass bragging that I associate with the manosphere for me to believe you're impressive in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 12:55 AM
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😂😂 random anecdotes don't negate the fact that a random woman agreeing to sleep with a random man (sometimes after barely knowing him) doesn't mean she's dying to walk down the aisle.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 11:25 PM
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Yes, it can work. To a desperate man, I suppose that's something.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 10:41 PM
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Also ignore the 50 women thing. That's something Myron from F&F said, so now they're saying it. 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 10:09 PM
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No, I think it might get them ONS/a short FWB with low self esteem women/women they otherwise would consider low value/sluts (their viewpoint), but a longlasting happy healthy relationship? Not a chance in Hell. The redpill ring would be a complete detriment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 10:08 PM
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If you saw woman you liked talking about 'keeping you in check' by having one foot out of the door and keeping 'other more handsome' men around, would you feel well-treated/respected by her? And before you say, men and women respond to different things because we are different, women don't like being made to feel insecure, despite what Fresh and Fit say. What you are describing is a toxic mate-retaining strategy (not something a genuinely at ease confident man would need to do), which may make a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 09:58 PM
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Wow, it's strange to see men believe this. You really have grabbed onto the 'she is the gatekeeper to sex, men are the gatekeepers to relationships.'. But in 2023, women aren't as interested in relationships as men. It's why we dump and divorce x3 more than men do. And rush less into remarriage after divorce/widowhood etc. If you look at PUAs, one of the points where I believe they are not exaggerating is when they acknowledge how quickly women drop off after sex once or twice. How many married …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 09:48 PM
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Emotional abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 09:41 PM
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'Whine about equality' yes, imagine not wanting to be second-class citizens. How 'whiny' we are. And pp men wonder why they're not where they wanted to be in life. They're resentful unfeeling arseholes. Also 55% of men have had a fantasy of being sexually dominated. Does that mean that women should rule men as over half of men 'seem to be up for it'? Or is the sexual not always political?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 09:35 PM
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Do you understand how disturbing it is for you to say 'this is why we shouldn't take women on their word' when we are talking about something that makes women as vulnerable as sex and violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 09:32 PM
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We'll always attack men for spitting/choking/slapping/trying anal (anal rape) without consent from the woman. Unsolicited porn-induced aggression is a problem. Saying that some (even a lot of) women have certain fantasies mean nothing if men here can't tell the difference between a private fantasy and men subjecting things onto women without consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 09:29 PM
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I thought most men, especially here, were sexually-deprived victims being put in the shadow by 20% shadow. Get your story straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 09:26 PM
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Regardless of how many women you claim to have slept with, each woman is an individual who should not have things assumed of her, just because in a guy's experience 3/4 women have liked a certain thing. We are not buying toothpaste that dentists recommend. This is a sensitive issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 09:25 PM
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Yes, I dislike how many men here are using the blanket statement of, 'yes, women want to be dominated whether they admit it or not'. If there's one topic where generalising women and ignoring what we say is especially bad, it's when it comes to sex. Conversations, respect, should always be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 09:22 PM
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It's the same as how young women are the most likely to listen to true crime documentaries where women are hurt/killed. There's an element of 'this happens a lot - how can I deal with it?'
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 09:19 PM
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Yes, bodice-rippers from the 80s were mostly written by women and overwhelmingly read by women. There was a lot of 'ravishing going on' (rape by a barbarian/viking/King etc where the woman secretly had an attraction to him). There was evidence that a lot of Christian/otherwise very Conservative women were reading these books as a way to get around their fantasies that they otherwise had been conditioned to be ashamed off. There was an element of 'well, the woman can't be blamed for cheating/quic…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 09:17 PM
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Something important to point out is how violence and degradation toward women has been normalised to the point that it's not extreme enough for either men not women to search out. A man could search 'big-boobed redhead and teacher' and still there is a chance that she will be slapped, spat on, choked due to the prevalence of these acts in porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 09:13 PM
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She also won't want to sleep with you again if she is giving bjs and not having it reciprocated. Unless you scout for low-self esteem women who don't care about their own pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 10:44 PM
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If he still expects a bj and doesn't prioritise other ways to help me cum, then yes, it would cause problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 10:42 PM
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I think you know the answer. 💀
/r/AllPillDebate28/05/23 10:05 PM
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A lot of men who end up at RP can't even attract a woman, let alone get to the position of possible marriage. Alimony only occurs in 10% of divorces. And with first marriages only 40% divorce. So men are complaining about a 4% of having to pay alimony as if it occurs to all men. If women were doing this, we'd be called dramatic. Also, marrying a woman who is a similar age reduces the chance of divorce by quite a bit. Marrying a woman who works/has a career reduces the chance of paying alimony by…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 10:46 AM
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We weren't especially talking about 'good women'. The topic is whether men should cold-approach. And just as a man needs to like a woman, a woman needs to like the man. A lot of male commenters here seem to have a problem grasping that second part. If she is 'acting like an insufferable bitch' when he approaches, then he doesn't need to filter her away. She isn't interested. You can't 'next' someone who wants nothing to do with you and has made that clear. You doubt many of which women are as in…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:24 AM
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For men it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 09:42 PM
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Who's to say women who are approached want a relationship/the man to like them? And what do men like you have to offer women? We hear your expectations/demands/wants/frustrations, etc, but what do you bring to a woman's life?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 03:48 PM
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I'm in my 20s?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 01:27 PM
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There are a few things that are happening that make it seem young people are getting more conservative. Women and men are losing their virginities later than before. We are also having less sex, especially casual sex. Between 1992 and 2012, a study revealed that more young men wanted a housewife in 2012 than 1992, which the experts put down to insecurity about their standing in the world at the later date, but it hasn't really translated in any meaningful way with women, outside of the TikTok Tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 01:08 PM
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Known Tate fans (schoolboys) were grabbing girlfriend's phones, pushing them against walls at school, ignoring and insulting their female teachers and speaking to their gfs/dates about both their fondness for Tate and their belief that women are all golddiggers and sometimes 'need a beating'. These things have been happening. To ignore this/play it down, is to do a disservice to women and girls. Redpill doesn't work. It's why so many of it's biggest voices are resentful, contradictory men who se…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 01:04 PM
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How did the man look back in the day? How loyal was the man? Or are you annoyed that mediocre looking somewhat loyal men have to settle with mediocre looking somewhat loyal men? Plenty of women didn't respect men back in the day. Read about history. Plenty pretended to (some kind of convincingly) because women had fewer options back then, but the man didn't get genuine respect unless he earned it, same as he wasn't genuinely desired unless he was desirable. Isn't the manosphere all about genuine…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 12:58 PM
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Men and women need each other on a societal level. Men need and want women more on an interpersonal level. Every study points to this, as well as just observing married men and women verses single men and women in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 10:46 AM
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Isn't it convenient that the best women are always the ones who cater to entitled men's preferences the most?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 10:10 AM
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The creepiness complaints come from the women who have been pestered. And forget the 'women ought to be suspicious of one another' narrative. It's a favourite of controlling abusive men who can operate better when there's less female Solidarity. We're not buying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 10:08 AM
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Such saltiness. She at 57 has more options (even if they are bad) than you probably ever will, and you hate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 10:04 AM
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My mother is a little younger than you, and she felt the same way about online dating (absolute dregs were on there). She deleted her profile and a month later an old local acquaintance asked her out and they have been going together happily for 6 months. The point is, the ones with the best intentions tend to do things the traditional way. And obviously most women know that no man is better than a subpar man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 10:03 AM
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Women on purplepill are to be insulted. Men on purplepill get a pass?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 09:58 AM
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Why do you put busy schedule in inverted commas? Even when trying to sound slick, your contempt (not surprisingly seeing your handle) for women is clear. Women work more, volunteer more, are in education more and have stronger bonds with family and friends. Why wouldn't she be busy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 09:57 AM
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This is the problem. You have no empathy for women. Seduction techniques/game encourages you to have no empathy for women. We are merely toys for you to try to push and prod for your own ends. You should care about what women think about dating apps, and why we're less likely to be on them, just as you should care why we are not open to cold-approach. Why can't you just listen to women, and stop treating us as another species?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 09:51 AM
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The fact that you so nonchalantly threw out that pua men/cold approach men (who are very often not lookers themselves) approach 'mid' women as practise and then work themselves up to the attractive women they presumably think they deserve is one of the many reasons puas/Street approachers are seen as such creeps. No man can simultaneously see no problem with what the OP has said and also talk about women having no empathy for men/looking down on men/men feeling lonely, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 09:44 AM
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If almost all men cold-approached, women would never get anywhere. It would be awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 09:41 AM
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Would you prefer an African country where the average age women get married is 16, or Afghanistan?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:45 PM
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Because some men value a connection, better chances at the marriage/relationship staying together? You're making men look bad by tarring them all with the same red brush. Relationships and marriages are much more likely to split the bigger the age gap. Since you all complain so much about divorce (and specifically women divorcing) you would think this would be recognised more by redpill men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:44 PM
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Not at least. 3 years tops (average age gap is two years is toonns of countries - man older).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:41 PM
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Average age gap is 2 years (man older).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:40 PM
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Ahh, sort of figured. Why does it matter if women are femcels eager for commitment they're not getting? Isn't a big part of redpill that women don't care much about committing to/commitment from men anyway since we dump and divorce 75% of the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 10:28 PM
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I'm a woman, or was that 'dude' general? I work long shifts and have downtime? And a fast typer. Hahaha.. hate subs. Nothowgirlswork? Nah, we're protecting ourselves against manosphere types. 😇😊
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:29 PM
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Plenty of women still got raped/tortured in the Ukraine-Russia conflict that was started by men. Plenty of men tried to run as well. Why are you so against women being feminists and having independence. It's warped. We're people. Female adults. Why shouldn't we have independence. Dependence leads to power trips and abuse. 'Metabolism leave their body after age 30'.. is that some weird 'wall' jibe. Bit of bad taste among all the war talk. We don't worry about ourselves in our 30s. Why don't you m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:04 AM
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So transactional relationships/beta bux is what is going on here, you think. I mean, I agree, but a woman suggesting that gets shot down as bitter and trying to put a negative spin on things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:26 AM
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Well she should not put her desires lower than his. What a bad life. Thankfully more and more women have the option to avoid that, as opposed to the past when it was forced on them. Traditionally it was because women were barred from high-paying professions, earned less for the same job, and our money wasn't our own when we married. Protection doesn't mean much. Domestic violence was widespread. And even today, women run the most risk of hospitalisation and femicide from partners/former partners…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:25 AM
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A woman who gives up her earning potential to take care of the house/children/support the husband is absolutely entitled to money if the marriage goes south. If you don't like the idea of that, you shouldn't be so against a working woman. You can't have it both ways. A woman who does not earn her own living but has 'no right' to any of your money. That's just slavery.
/r/AllPillDebate27/04/23 01:25 AM
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Fair enough. It that makes you happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:22 AM
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So passport bros are abandoning their country/family/friends and culture for the sole reason of meeting a particular type of woman? Not for any other reason? Even better weather, cheaper, etc? How.. sad
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:20 AM
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How are you defining 'high-status men'? Because remember: how manosphere men define high-status/high value men is different to how women define those things, and unless you're wanting to attract men, it's women's preferences that count, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:17 AM
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Western refugees? How insulting to actual refugees? And you call women dramatic and perpetual victims! My God! Divorce rape? (gross term) Do you mean when in in 9% of divorces men pay alimony, typically because the woman is a housewife and needs something until she gets back on her feet. After all, she has no money to show for sacrificing a paying job and taking care of the house/family (which he benefited from)? Or when the man is very rich (which is something very few men have to worry about)?…
/r/AllPillDebate27/04/23 01:14 AM
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Isn't it sick that so many men here lionise/romanticise how things are done in non-western countries when they know that the reason women are so sweet/'non-combatent' is because they are being treated brutally?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:08 AM
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Love at first sight doesn't exist. Love is too strong/nuanced an emotion to feel without knowing a person at all. Lust is different, but again, the virgin/chaste type would probably restrain herself/as would the man if he was really committed to waiting until marriage or deeper commitment, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:06 AM
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You referenced that they were immigrants so I assumed knowledge of their homeland was playing a big part of their struggles/entitlement. Perhaps they watched their parents' dynamic even in the US. I've got to say, outside of strict Christians (not a massive thing in my country), the successful popular men (with women and guys as friends) aren't struggling. They don't need a woman to humble herself/be financially dependent/do as he says. They get with fun, intelligent, well-rounded women they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:01 AM
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I'm in my 20s... and I hate the idea of exploiting people. It's nothing to do with competition. Women are dumping/divorcing 75% of the time. Women are leaving dating apps. You are the ones being rejected/left and instead of having a little humility and adjusting to our desires/needs, you are crossing your arms and saying 'better shape up, ladies!" Why would we shape up for the men we are leaving in droves lol? You aren't going to Iceland. You aren't going to New Zealand. You aren't going to Ital…
/r/AllPillDebate27/04/23 12:49 AM
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I'm in the UK and treated well on a day-to-day basis by women and men. I am fascinated, as a scientist is with a new species of insect, about the manosphere movement though - the entitlement, fragile egos, hypocrisy, misogyny and fear that there's no place where they can achieve anything if 50% of the population isn't being subordinated.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 12:44 AM
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Yeah, but a Woman's sexuality is based on her own desires/needs/safety concerns. Why would a virgin/'chaste' woman sleep with man early on? It goes against her instincts/way of doing things. Or is this all about men's egos getting stroked? They don't want 'potential property' having been 'used' by too many other men, but they want her to throw safety concerns out of the window because he is just so damn desirable? 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 12:39 AM
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They could always go back to the country they came from. If you move to a country because it offers better opportunities, then you acclimatise to it. You don't expect it to mold to your preferences/what you're used to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 12:25 AM
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Are you toddlers? Why should you be taken care of? You're not wanting to act like adults, let alone 'leaders'?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 12:20 AM
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Sick! Act exactly as I want or you may end up getting beaten. And for the many men to are lacklustre, disrespectful to women, should women next them quickly to shut down the men's bad behaviour? Or would that make women flaky, entitled, disloyal? Or should men get to act exactly as they like, even beating women up, and have nothing done about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 12:19 AM
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They do. That's why some men are talking about staying in the Woman's country so she won't 'get corrupted'. If all women can so easily get corrupted by feminism/freedom, then it's not truly their nature to be submissive humble homemakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 12:05 AM
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Are women typically going for submissive humble men 20 years their junior who they want to stay and home and be financially dependent on them?
/r/AllPillDebate27/04/23 12:03 AM
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So you admit he needs economic leverage over the woman to get the dynamic he wants.. so it's not natural at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:59 PM
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Why do you want to force women to be submissive? Submissive means sheeplike? So abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:57 PM
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But passport bros are the ones no one wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:56 PM
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Desperate to push your views into a narrative. 'Successful men'. Most successful men are married to women with similar backgrounds (family wealth, education, etc). These marriages tend to last the longest.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:55 PM
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It's not natural 'submissiveness'. It's conditioned. Nurture is the opposite of nature. You know this. Which is why so many men are scared to bring the woman to the US in case she leaves him/doesn't treat him as 'deferentially'. It's a shame that men would want a woman acting in an unnatural manner merely because it flatters his ego, but it's common among the passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:51 PM
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Do you think the passport bros is tipping the scales in any meaningful way? Half of the time it won't be noticed that they left. They weren't wanted in the US. They say this themselves. And it's still a tiny movement when you think about the male population of the US. Most men have family/friends/community ties in the US, regardless of if they struggle a little dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:49 PM
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Are you handsome? If not why do you deserve beautiful women? By cooperative do you mean will do whatever I say because I feel powerful bossing women around? If things are so great, why not leave PPD and the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:45 PM
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Why do you frame things as if a man's commitment is some great prize/something women are eager for? Men give it out easily and women dump and divorce 75% of the time. It's not especially sought after. We don't want to be in your film. Don't worry! 😇 Try and lure a poor and naive woman, though, Mr Weinstein!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:43 PM
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Passport bros have been getting attacked and chased out of Brazil and Colombia so.. yeah. Colombian women pretending to be interested, then walking away so her male friends can rob the guy is not uncommon
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:39 PM
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What does the average American man look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:38 PM
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They are. More men enter the US every year than leave it. It may not necessarily be specifically for a wife, but they are leaving their old country behind for where they think things will be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:37 PM
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Are western men disrespectful towards women, do you think? Have they ever been? Are they now? Is disrespect only something that women should endure? Rape and dv are still two of the most underreported crimes. 2% of rapists will ever see the inside of a jail cell. The average rapist has raped 9 women before be is caught. For most of human history, men got even less justice for being a rapist, as the woman feared being blamed (and of course it was perfectly legal if it was her husband doing it). W…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:33 PM
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Are you also someone who shames promiscuity in women/says women should have a low body count? If so, how do you square these two ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:21 PM
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Why are you so obsessed with women being submissive, humble grateful and praising of the man? Is that why you go to traditional (poor) countries? You need to push her down (or have her already pushed down) to feel big. 2/3 of men are overweight or obese. Too many are stuck snacking, playing video games and watching porn most days. Most can't afford to support a family (even if they find a woman who wants that), yet feel entitled to her doing more housework (without nagging). Any leverage you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:18 PM
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Foreign men travel to the US and UK and end up dating women there all the time; they've been doing it for a while. The difference is, they don't see the point in making a movement over it/documenting it on YT, criticising the women from their own countries. If you look at the data about which different races' dating preferences. White women are always rated as higher to Asian men, Hispanic men and black men than white women rate the men from each of these categories. Now obviously you can be bla…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:14 PM
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What's a femcel?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 10:41 PM
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For being so obsessed with the 'truth', you always get that fact wrong. It's 'in the last year', not 'ever'. Why did you pick the one country that divorce isn't allowed? Do you want women to have absolutely no escape route if the marriage turns ugly for her?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:21 PM
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Do you really believe that? I genuinely do think they want to date women and commit to them. They just can't (either at all or to the woman they want), hence the rage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:17 PM
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Feminists want equalities. Redpillers want virgin whores or matrimonial subordination. Never compare the true. You're mixing in mud with something genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:15 PM
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Even the men who say that aren't currently married/with a known gf. For all that Myron for F&F drones on about this, we are yet to say (or even hear from him) that any serious gf/fiance would agree to that with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:13 PM
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Because marrying doesn't entitle you to a servant/punching bag for life? Poor oppressed men. Also, most redpill men don't get laid. They even admit that in more sober moments. So they don't have the option to have sex and perhaps give her the 'gift' of his commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:11 PM
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Men should do it because it's their fucking house as well, and their meals, and their clothes. Why do you need an incentive to do 50%? What incentive are women getting for doing 80%? And you say women are solipsistic users...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:04 PM
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Who are you referring to? None of the men I know in real life speak/act in ways that could be considered redpill. There are just your general abusers/cheaters/liars obviously as well as worthwhile guys, but the redpill rhetoric isn't a well-known thing in the real world. So who are you referring to? The redpill gurus?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:01 PM
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Men (and young ones) still have it. I feel for any women they are sleeping with. A third of women say they want it. So you're trying to shame the ones who don't. If a man doesn't want to be pegged/dressed up as a rabbit, the woman should respect his boundaries. Don't try to shame women for not wanting to be hurt/degraded and expressing those boundaries. Also, the woman needs to let the man know she wants that. He does not do it unsolicited. You do know what consent is, don't you? Not acting like…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 12:22 PM
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Penetration alone provides orgasms just 25% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 08:18 AM
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Why did you ignore everything I wrote just to focus on men again?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 02:15 AM
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Very real side effects for women from men watching a lot of porn erectile dysfunction (which he then may, instead of taking accountability, try to blame her for not looking good enough/being open enough/having a good enough technique) unsolicited violence/degradation (there are far too many accounts of women and girls being spat on/choked/slapped without being asked permission by men who are so obsessed with porn that he 'just did it without thinking and thought she'd be fine with it.' an obsess…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:52 AM
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When it comes to porn, men need to up their game. Women orgasm less than men and receive oral sex less than men (which most need to orgasm). Women (and men) and having less sex as some men are useless and women prefer a vibrator. It's not that we feel the need to compete with porn. Only abusive men would frame it that way. It's that we aren't objects and don't want to be pressured to participate in violent/degrading (for us) acts because porn stars are paid to perform these acts so that men can …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:38 AM
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So by that logic, passports bros are hit by the 'predators' insult because it's kinda true. A good man would hear 'passport bros are sleazy exploiters', say 'okay' and move along.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:34 AM
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The naturals I know don't put women down in any way (all these manosphere buzzwords like 'negging', 'disqualifying', 'push-pull', 'give an emotional rollercoastsr', etc). They banter back and forth with women, but it's light, fun and reciprocal. They are happy within themselves, so there's no obsessive attempt to 'elevate' themselves above the woman/make her insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:29 PM
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It's spoken about all the time on here and all the dating site subs? It's on Twitter, YouTube. If you care to look, it takes 2 seconds. Is that what you call a woman who holds a different opinion to you? 'A cryer and a bitcher'? Are you crying then, too, or is that somehow different?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 10:16 AM
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What do you call women leaving dating apps, leaving other places they once met men (nightclubs), being more hostile to being approached on the street and being more likely to say they're single but not looking? What is this if not apathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 08:10 AM
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Nah, we just want our equivalents. There is more risk/hassle for women. Men hospitalise/severely abuse more than vice versa, cheat more, have porn addictions, want to hurt/degrade women in bed to feel 'dominant', have a damaging addiction, do less around the house even if they both work etc Women want someone who will make them happier than they are single. And with friends/family/career/hobbies, etc, a lot of us are pretty happy single. Not ruling anything out, but not stressing out either. 🤷‍♀…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 08:20 PM
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Don't do anything nice for us. Just don't hurt us.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 02:07 PM
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Are you joking? Look it up. When Tinder first started, it was almost equal (I think male:female 60:40%) but now it's 80/20%. There are articles and videos about it if you care to look. Again, you have no tangible proof of this. Whereas with women being apathetic, there is proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 02:06 PM
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We just want you to stop hurting us, harassing us, trying to dominate us and otherwise mistreat us. Otherwise leave us alone. It's less, do nice things for us, and more, stop doing horrible things to us. Yet men expect so much empathy and self-sacrifice from women, even in the face of much harm and hostility from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 11:25 AM
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Kit Harington is from a privileged family, as is Emilia. Weird thing to narrow in on. My point is they are pretty similar, but he is a man and she is a woman, so she is criticised for having laugh lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 10:40 AM
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Look at what I wrote. Dating apps are quickly losing female users, not male. The rates of male:female users are 4:1 a lot of the time. Nightclubs and social events since covid are introducing more and more 'women get in for free' deals because they're becoming really man-heavy. Women are working more, in education more and with their friends more. Men may be dropping out if they can't find anyone. Women don't want to find anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 10:27 AM
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Men who apply for split custody get it 50% of the time. Most don't apply, because most don't want it. 100% of care 50% of the time is a lot more than a lot of fathers are doing pre-divorce. Women only get alimony in 9% of divorces. Tate, when he's not pimping teenagers out online, says that women should be housewives. Housewives are most likely to get alimony, because all the childcare/housework/supporting husband was done in lieu of making their own money. Women rarely go to prison, as we commi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 01:04 AM
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Women do dump and divorce men more than vice versa, but some also hang on to long/give too many chances and compromise their values/happiness in the process e.g. a woman taking a man back once he cheats, believing him when he says he will do more around the house/for her in bed, etc for years, and of course abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:45 PM
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How you describe it is not how I've seen others describe it. They describe is more like 'here are ways to make your frame her reality', which seems quite manipulative/like brainwashing. I'm a woman, so I don't think redpill will benefit me at all. But isn't the physical advice just 'lift'. Half of the stuff seems so surface-level/generic. Where so many really seem to obsess/get the most traction is when talking about dominating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:24 PM
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I specifically don't need advice. Of course women use men for sex. There are plenty of women who sleep with men for 'a fun night'/rebound/etc. There are also women who like the man to begin with but things sour if he is unskilled in bed/reveals bad things about his personality or they simply don't gel. I am against men saying, 'I am looking for something serious, just as you are. I care about you deeply and really want a future.' When he just wants sex. Honesty is the best policy for women and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 10:55 PM
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You said most, so I thought we were speaking generally. If a woman has a ONS, or has a shallow (but fun) hook up thing going on with a guy, she isn't expecting commitment. There's a good chance she doesn't want to commit herself. But if a man speaks about how he wants to settle down for a month, speaks about how much he likes her, and then disappears after they have sex one month in, she's got a right to be disappointment. It isn't entitlement. It's not wanting to be lied to/led on. Of course th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:27 PM
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Then shouldn't women have frame too. Or should women roll over and be spineless. I don't mean what do redpill men prefer (I can guess, unfortunately); I mean, in life it's good to have things you believe in/will stand for.. for everyone. So it essentially is 'my way or the high way' on everything you do, she does, and the general way of the relationship. That sounds like a dictatorship, not like someone in a relationship with another person. So would you say redpill is for former doormats who do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:01 PM
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First two are great if true. Frame? Isn't that just teaching guys not to compromise/take a 'my way or the high way' approach? Women often don't like that. Many women dump/divorce based on a man being too inflexible/rigid. Understand female nature? Can you describe our nature for me a little, in your own words?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 03:00 PM
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I am a woman. I am talking on behalf of me (20s), my friends (20s) and my female family members (20s, 30s, 40s). It's also why women are leaving dating apps but men aren't, why women aren't going to nightclubs as much since covids and why women who are single are less likely to say they are looking (for sex and for relationships.)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:30 PM
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My paternal grandparents had a traditional relationship. He worked 50 hours a week as a labourer. She was a housewife raising the 4 children. There was give and take. She never took him for granted and he never took her for granted. He handed over his paycheck to her and told her go take all she needed and leave him with what was extra. He did this because he knew she had a better understanding of what needed to be paid and because he considered it their money, not just his. He, I suppose, was t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:27 PM
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I agree. But the idea that the woman is as eager for marriage as the man is for sex is flawed. It's not quite so cut-and-dried.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:15 PM
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Even with that explanation, the relationships I see have equal influence. There are some guys out there who call themselves leaders but leave the wife to actually have the responsibility of most things. But that's just lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 01:41 PM
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You are so far gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:32 AM
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Do you have any substance to what you say, or do you just prefer to insult and focus on semantics?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:31 AM
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By saying you don't care about the past. For 99% of human record, things have been extremely bad for women, yet guys here speak only of modern times being awful. I understand you are going to care more about a time that you live in and are affected by, but I see so much desire for the pendulum to swing back to when things were unfair, but in men's favour.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:30 AM
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Women were second class citizens (and still are disadvantaged in certain ways, but we're working on it). And yeah, women can really struggle in the non-western world, which makes it weird that men here speak about non-western women being the only ones worth anything. You only like women when they're hobbled.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:28 AM
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But I thought the point of redpill was that these are 'universal biological truths' rather than 'adapting to the truth.' Isn't a big claim of the redpill that they act as masculine respected men would have acted 100 years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 09:23 AM
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The average guy is not generally the head of household. Women do not generally defer to male leadership. What a strange idea. I don't know where you're from (deep south religious community) or if this is a fantasy you're trying to push as a narrative. But I live in Western Europe and most happy enduring relationships with deserving men do not consist of a 'lead' and 'defer' dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 09:20 AM
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Feminism is about elevating women from the position of 2nd class citizens. It doesn't need to do anything for men. You can do things for yourself. We're not your mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:44 AM
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No, men need to improve how they treat women. She needs to be happier with a man than she would be single. He must add value to her life. Otherwise, she will remain happy and fine, while men are stressing out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:41 AM
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More in their favour - women are struggling and desperate
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:39 AM
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And women married historically because it was harder for her to make a living on her own (the way society was set up to push women into marriage), not out of an obsession for the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:38 AM
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Women dump men x3 as much as men dump women, women turn down offers to move in, marriage all time. Women divorce men x3 as much as the reverse. Technically, the man is the gatekeeper in the sense that he tends to be the one to initiate things, to act like he has the power and women are dancing on his string is ludicrous when you look at the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:37 AM
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They've done numerous studies on this. Men want more of any kind of interaction with women. Women want less of any kind of interaction with men. There are many women who have never had casual sex. For other reasons (focus on themselves, not wanting to settle down) they want to stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:33 AM
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You care no doubt about the 'unjust gynocentric court system', yet don't care when it's unfair but to the woman, which explains all the guys in saying they'd not get married... in the west. You only care about injustice when it affects you. Otherwise you don't care, but seem to expect empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:14 AM
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I was basing this on the UK. The US's laws were originally based on William Blackstone's 'Commentaries on tne laws of England. In it he describes 'coverture', where a woman was under her husband's 'wing of protection', but in reality it gave him the authority to do what I listed above with little fear of genuine repercussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 01:02 AM
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Twitter, YouTube, conservative figures, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:30 AM
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Then why is there so much bitterness on this sub about women only chasing 6ft 2 square-jawed Chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:22 AM
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Nah, a tall handsome man is more attractive to me than a rich man with random women beside him, but I am basing this on biological attraction, not redpill status fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:17 AM
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Correcting a typo - how petty! Yes, whereas you are objective and rational. Call the OP stupid again, why don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:15 AM
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I wish that were true. If it were, the many women who are apathetic about dating/marriage, and who are focusing on themselves, wouldn't be getting attacked as 'secretly miserable careering cat-ladies who will miss men when they turn 45.' There wouldn't be talks all over the Internet about how women should go back to being dependent as we are ruining society by remaining single.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:13 AM
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Why does that only apply to women? I am sexually attracted to tall handsome fit men. Are they designed for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:10 AM
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All these power games are just draining the fun out of dating. No wonder so many women are dropping out of dating sites/becoming apathetic/focusing on careers/hobbies/friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 11:54 PM
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I am a woman. 'Polarity', 'I am the prize'... why can't you just speak authentically instead of using manosphere buzzwords. If a woman is 'itching' to be 'part' of your awesome life yet you are centred in here, this is not two people coming together, but a man seeking an 'appendage'. Men are egotists who want to be seen as 'the prize', and delusional considering men get more out of interactions with women than vice versa. But yes, F&F told you you were the prize for no other reason than being a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 11:53 PM
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Those of us who know about the manosphere care because we don't want to be hurt, and learning of the tactics/manipulative techniques can help us to stop ourselves from being hurt. If a man was handsome to me, I might have chatted to him/given him a chance if he 'cold-approached' me on the street. Today, knowing what I know about the people most likely to try that? Zero chance I would stop walking. Alone with the cats? Projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 11:23 PM
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Good point!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 11:19 PM
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Men need to work on being more appealing to women. Beyond just 'I am a plumber and I do good for society'. Something that will bring actual value to the woman's wife that will make her want to be with him. Unless you think women should be handed out to men in return for their work?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 11:18 PM
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Women could be raped, beaten (so long as he did not kill or maim her), imprisoned, starved, committed to an asylum, be removed from her children and forced to hand over her earnings to a husband who could choose to spend them on prostitutes/drink. Women were punished more severely for murdering their husbands than vice versa. You don't consider this oppression? All of this could be done with much impunity until 200 years ago in Western countries
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:41 PM
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How do you describe the system where men had complete control over the children and earnings of a wife? This was how things were until mid 19th century.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:36 PM
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Superior biological status?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:35 PM
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Men want commitment more than women do, though. Where have you been? Women are more apathetic to interaction with men (sex and relationships) in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:34 PM
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Men didn't prioritise men for most of recorded history?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:32 PM
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When pillers talk about how things are better when men lead and that women are happier too because with a man's authority comes an urge to protect, women need to remember just how much female suffering there was when men had more power.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:31 PM
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Before we get so weary we admit defeat?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:28 PM
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...according to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:27 PM
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And what are men doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:26 PM
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Many of you still do feel entitled to interaction/attention, sex, relationships, marriage and children from a woman, even the most hateful among you - in fact, I would say that the most hateful among you are the ones who still want to demand an allotted woman for whatever you want in the particular moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:23 PM
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Why should a woman have to 'enter a man's life' as a 'complement'. Relationships should be about two self-actualised people coming together and sharing their already-developed lives. A woman is not a trophy, appendage or prop/orbiter. How can you believe things like this and turn around and call women solipsistic/narcissistic/delusional?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:03 PM
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Because what is an oft repeated sentiment on this sub alone about men defending ppbros and talking about western women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 06:50 PM
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Nope, just read his comment history. (It's something that can be done on Reddit to gauge someone's overall stance on something. 😊)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 06:37 PM
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LBH
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 11:22 PM
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Yeah, honestly!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:26 PM
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How does that actually play out in real life though? It sounds like a weird little bitter roleplay that gets redpillers in knots.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:22 PM
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Why do they care about their mother's looks? How strange! I do not think of how well or not my dad has aged at all. Are manosphere men that hypersexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:17 PM
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It doesn't seem healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:17 PM
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Men have always given women a hard time over aging and being single/financially independent. It's what the witch trials was driven by: fear of women not needing men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:14 PM
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Nah, we leave men alone. We don't post bitter comments when an actor looks happy - whether he's single or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:13 PM
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Because it shows the bitterness that oozed from every manosphere man. The idea of a happy single woman drives them crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:11 PM
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Are they saying the same thing about Jon Snow/Kit Harington (private school background/same age/similar acting range/both had big roles on GoT)? Why is it only women who must be punished for being conventionally attractive and aging?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:10 PM
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He's a nutcase.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:08 PM
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Emma Watson is a noted feminist. They hate her for that. They also hate her for being a feminist but dating a tall muscular rugby guy at one point? Because feminists aren't allowed to do that for some reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:08 PM
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Emilia Clarke seems like an extremely warm/cheerful woman. Anyone worthwhile would focus on that - not that a 36yo has crows' feet when they are grinning from ear to ear? Would they rather she had surgery so they could mock her like they did Madonna? Or are they just noticing that she's single and so she must be punished.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:06 PM
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They also try to get women to be wary of one another. They speak about the importance of having an older mentor/father figure to help a man out in life, but whenever an older women says anything to a younger woman relating to men based on her own experiences, the men try to tell the young women, 'she's just jealous and bitter.' Yes, when 28yo women speak to 17yo girls about 41yo men approaching them, it's not about of concern, or an acknowledgement of the discomfort/fear based on experiences, in…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:04 PM
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Whereas traditional femininity (which men claim to love) being thrust onto women for millennia made women vulnerable, weak, dependent and caused an untold amount of suffering. This is so many people struggle with the masculinity/men's rights movement, because so many men seem unable to divorce Progress for men from oppression for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 08:58 PM
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LBH
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 07:22 PM
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So I'm not a criminal. If I went on a dating site, should I list that as one of my best qualities? You can't have much going for you if not breaking the law is a positive trait? I am from the UK. The average citizen has been to multiple countries. Culture/wealth/education doesn't come into it that much. What could a life challenge be for a woman? That she would need protection from you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 06:38 PM
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Why are you telling a woman what women like? Are you trying to sell me a narrative? Are you saying that holistic things (kindness, 'femininity', nurturing abilities) don't count when it comes to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:00 PM
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So it's transactional?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 04:45 PM
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Why is non-criminal pointed out as a good point? I would never list that as a plus about me. How strange! I don't deserve a gold star for not getting in trouble with the law. Can you point me to some of the notable ones known for their intelligence? Protection from what? Protection from who?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 04:44 PM
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And non western women call you saddos/wallets.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 04:25 PM
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Right so elsewhere they're equal. You said yourself that better looking women than you were approaching you, and you commended that as if it should be the standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 03:53 PM
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Men like you call western women entitled constantly though. You must have seen it a lot in the passport bros threads you frequent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 03:49 PM
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So it's a problem if western women wanting higher value men, but not a problem if western men want higher value women? I think this is a fake post to put down American women, as many of them are, but let's believe it for a second: why are women having high standards wrong but men can have the standards they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 03:20 PM
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Such a pity the women are getting some of the worst of western men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 03:17 PM
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Feminists standards are fucked up? A woman approaching a less attractive man should be the standard. Well isn't that convenient for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 03:16 PM
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Why is so much of men's depression, loneliness and suicide linked with being single, then? Are you telling me it's because their desperate for kids but just kind find a womb go fit the bill? You need and want us more than vice versa. The extreme resentment of the manosphere would fail to exist if this were not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 02:27 PM
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If I didn't care about their values and aspirations after spending time with them, that would indicate to me that I wasn't all that fussed about them as a person and didn't want to continue to see them. The point OP is making is, can you like a person outside of what they potentially do for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 02:13 PM
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Because women exist out of the value they provide for men. If you can't see - and like - her as a complete person, chances are you'll just drain the life out of her, only expecting sex, free therapy, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 02:11 PM
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'Women are misadrist' 'Women are obviously stupid laughing-stocks'. Though I suppose you could argue you're not a misogynist, just a chauvinist pig. 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 02:10 PM
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I want respect rather than to be seen as a second class citizen. You want the kind of deferential respect that comes from a person being below you, it seems. But you do you. The dregs are going. I'm happy with the ones who remain. Win win. 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:42 PM
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Yes, so you go because you want the special treatment men get in these countries? Deference from a point of inferiority? Is that what you're saying? Japan has a pretty low birth rate and there's a lot of talk about the women focusing on their careers and the men either being shut ins and getting robots or looking elsewhere if they're wealthy. Not saying it is that way, but it's hardly a utopia if people are saying (even on this sub) that the US/Western Europe is going the way of Japan when it co…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:38 PM
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There are a few contradictions in your post. You are 'above average' looking, yet see 7s as slumming it (if they were with you how did they view you as a 'nobody'?). You are rich, yet the women are buying you meals? Are you one of the ones who want 'traditional' women who cook and clean? If women are doing all of this, what are you doing exactly? 'They are poor or struggling' is a valid point because the these men are rarely going to first world/prosperous countries. They admit themselves they g…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:08 PM
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This just isn't true. Women don't willingly share men. Some redpillers have this a fantasy and want to create a narrative out of it, but it's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:27 AM
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What do Fresh and Fit and Kevin Samuels know about history? Are they talking about Kings and Sultans (where attraction didn't come into it, and in the case of Sultans, the women/girls' consent didn't come into it), or when men cheated and women couldn't divorce because laws were against them and they were financially dependent? Do you blindly believe what manosphere grifters tell you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:26 AM
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I don't believe that guy's story. It sounds way too close to a fantasy, with all the little cherries on top. Also chauvinistic 'trust a woman to raise my child' as if most women are bad mothers/the child is not also hers but mostly his/she is going to be doing all of the raising. Weird that this was written in MensLib. They have a reputation for more healthy/beneficial discussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:12 AM
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Women financially. depend on men less and less. She can just leave a lot of the time, thank goodness. And Tate followers usually reveal themselves pretty quickly, in one way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:33 AM
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Being trad is bad (to push at a societal level) if most women don't want it. Many things happened since the beginning of time, doesn't mean we should choose to go along with it now. Women employing choice involves some men not being picked/stayed with. The idea that some men looking at women getting basic rights/not being treated like chattel and think, 'but I'm not getting sex' so we should get rid of women's autonomy is entitled and shows how little you see women as people. But yes, go to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:27 AM
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Where is the proof that simps are going down? OF is still booming with male membership, IG influencers still get the same comments from men. Sugar dating/cash app is still thriving. The ones most likely to be hostile to female behaviour (and just women in general) are less likely to be getting into relationships; they're watching podcasts about women on a Sat night instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:26 AM
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How did it 'work' if so much was done to change it? The violence, depression, hostility, etc existed in the past. It just was pushed down and people pretended it wasn't happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:22 AM
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Redpill is a male-first look at things, I understand, but so much of what you wrote completely discards the wants/needs/views of women in any capacity. It's as if you all see it as, 'what is best for men is best for society and the women can just like it or lump it.' Have you seen the number of posts by women on dating site reddits/relationship reddit that are based around 'this man starting saying/doing this.. so off-putting.. blocked/dumped him' .. and the replies saying, 'yeah, those are redp…
/r/ExRedPill09/03/23 12:50 PM
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'Perhaps he (like most men nowadays) would be on-board with some kind of patriarchal traditionalist culture that would have more parity.' When feminists push equality/representation in various areas of society, redpill men say that women are just handed things and do not achieve based on merit. They seem, if anything, against democracy/socialism. ... Unless it pertains to men being allotted women in a Patriarchal traditionalist society.
/r/ExRedPill09/03/23 11:59 AM
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Redpill crowd overlaps with conservatism (while promoting no-strings-attached sex with multiple women, so the hook up culture that conservatives claim to despise, as well as redpillers seeing a one side open for him relationship as an ideal) is the definition of hypocrisy. Also, redpill advocates for learning how to manipulate (dread, push-pull, emotional rollercoaster, amused mastery) women and says to go as young as possible (so 18 or whatever the age of consent is) so you'll get the most of a…
/r/ExRedPill09/03/23 11:56 AM
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Interesting how little I am seeing this brought up by the men here. We are scared of the potential life-altering consequences of having sex, yet still they'll cling to, 'yeah, because they can't find someone who is 6ft 2.'
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 10:34 AM
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Women aren't as fussed about relationships anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 10:30 AM
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If a woman was on here saying this she'd be torn to shreds. People would be telling her, 'if all you can get is much less attractive guys, that's what you are too.'
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 10:30 AM
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What an asinine thing to say. People can reveal bad things about themselves on a first date, things the dater doesn't like but didn't know.. it is a first date after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 10:28 AM
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I find it very telling how abortion has been such a contentious issue lately, it is a well-known phenomena that some guys get a thrill from stealthing, which of course is making women wary and more likely to walk away. Yet that is not considered at all. It's merely that we're 'picky'.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 10:25 AM
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Focusing on the other areas of their life that are struggling would require introspection, accountability and a desire to self-improve; focusing on their lacklustre dating life enables them to point the finger entirely at the 'flake, demanding, superficial bitches.'
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 10:23 AM
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That last part makes little sense. You deride women for supposedly riding the cock carousel, yet get annoyed when they don't want to ride it? What?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 10:19 AM
2

They have a reputation for being violent and thinking they're invincible.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 10:36 PM
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Everything here is spot on.
/r/ExRedPill03/03/23 01:09 PM
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Men don't only want sex. Men want relationships more than women do too. Women are less interested in any kind of interaction. I thought this was commonly accepted at this point. The propaganda of women pushing men for marriage more is not realistic. We see all the podcasts/blogs/twitter accounts, YouTube videos from men about dating and relationships and relatively few from women. Every other week I see an article about how lonely, listless and depressed men are, and how much being single is lin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 11:26 AM
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It's also down to alcoholism/violence and women earning more and more.
/r/ExRedPill01/03/23 04:42 PM
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But I'm saying they clearly don't work. Russia does have more rigid gender roles, but how can it be said that it's working out - for women and for men - if it ultimately leads to divorce so much? I still think it's shocking how oppressed/in danger women need to be for men to 'not encounter the same problems dating'. It's as if you see men not getting dates/not getting dates with women they like, as being more important than very high rates of domestic violence against women/femicide?
/r/ExRedPill01/03/23 04:02 PM
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The rate of divorce in Russia is very high. Colombia has one of the highest femicide rates in the world and Saudi Arabia is extremely oppressive towards women. Weird that you chose these countries.
/r/ExRedPill01/03/23 11:11 AM
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He's mid-30s, over 6ft, full of hair and looks nice enough (though his personality is grim). But he says he only ends up sleeping with 5% of the women he approaches (and after that many drop off)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 03:43 AM
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100%
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:50 PM
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Divorce rates are divorce rates. They exist in high rates for beautiful people too ex. Hollywood. It's only grimy if you treat her as if you are doing her a favour by gracing her with your presence. If you know from self-perception and experience with other women that you're not great looking, you shouldn't feel 'above' her. It's been said a lot here. People are uncomfortable with the idea of leagues, but I think if there was some kind of framework people would be less agitated/get less disappoi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:27 AM
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Because she has fewer options, and knows that she isn"/ great looking, but has other good qualities, so perhaps he does too, even if he isn't the best looking. This is how many people couple up, not through cold approach, but looking quite similar. If you go out, there are tooonnns of average/below average couples, yet they seem happy enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:19 AM
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Not necessarily, but an average/slightly below average woman is more likely to accept an average/slightly below average man, yet those who talk about cold approach and game always talk about hot 7/8/9/10 and act as if a 6 would be slumming it, even if he admits he isn't great looking himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:16 AM
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You're unhinged.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 06:30 AM
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Afghanistan has the highest rate of domestic violence against women in the world. Do you think the man is honouring his vows to love and cherish? What does that do to children, to see their mother subjected to that? Why did you pick a country where The Taliban controls every aspect of women's lives and dare to speak about fairness? Or does that not compare to 10% of divorced husbands having to pay alimony (mostly if they wanted a housewife)? This is bonkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 05:57 AM
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In the west, women were picking their husbands pre-1960 for the most part. Completely wrong there. It's mostly lonely depressed listless men we hear about daily. So maybe there's a bit of projection going on. You say all this as you parrot Tate. You've been well-led, little sheep. He will thank you personally if he gets out, I am sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 05:53 AM
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'Women all secretly hate each other..bitchy Women.. not like us men.' This is just divide and conquer. The more suspicious Women are of each other, the less we'll rely on each other, and instead look elsewhere for love/humour/support. I hate this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 05:42 AM
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Do you ever see that as proof that TRP doesn't work on a large scale? People speak about how some of the biggest tradcon proponents are men who aren't benefiting at all from the current system (casual hookups/women can easily hook onto you/woman can easily leave) and that they want everything and everyone to revert back to the perceived benefits of the old system (women depends on men financially, so more likely to pick for pragmatic reasons, not cheat, not leave). So many of the modern redpill …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:37 AM
2

Isn't he MGTOW?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:27 AM
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Totally agree. I think the reason women are more wary/'hostile' to men since covid is being exposed to it as it grew to YouTube/Tiktok.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:26 AM
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Where women are treated brutally and can't get away? So you don't care about fairness in marriage/divorce? You just want the leverage to go back to the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:23 AM
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Have you seen James Tusk on YouTube. He is one of the few pua/dating coaches who a) shows his face b) is handsome, yet he often gets rejected and sometimes it's very clear the women are uncomfortable with him, because they can sense from his lines and how close he stands to them that something is 'off'.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:22 AM
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Women have no issues with conversing with people they know and female strangers, but there are so many 'pick up/cold approach/game' social media accounts that show women who care to look just what the men using these methods think of women and how they think it's acceptable to treat them. Women are right to be wary of being approached in public, especially if it's from a man spitting '100% guaranteed number-getting' lines at her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:20 AM
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Unnattractive men can go for unnattractive women. This 'I have Trp "game" and will get my pretty, devoted gf/wife or "bad things will happen"' is astonishingly entitled. PUA and TRP encourages the men - regardless of how they look - to go for 'hotties'. Why are men baffled that hot women want hot men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:16 AM
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Then what's the problem? Right wing chauvinist men are getting some women but still wound up because they can't express their views and make the women regress? Is that it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:10 AM
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How is 'getting wifed up' being lucky? I hope the woman above is happy, but merely 'getting wifed up' isn't some great achievement for a woman. A lot of the time the woman is burdened, and it is the MAN who is happier. If anything, men should be competing to be 'husbanded up' (they are, but it's not verbally acknowledged), as they gain so much compared to women..😀
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 09:56 PM
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Oh well. These men can stay 'not so keen' on how women want to be treated better and remain alone. Women aren't going to adapt to men and denigrate themselves so that men can feel more manly. Better to go for someone better or stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 06:51 PM
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No, women who make their own money just have standards. Being online inflates men's standards too. You think constant porn/ig exposure doesn't elevate what men need to find women attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:50 PM
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I know. When women have more opportunities, they want more of an equal; when women are more desperate, they'll content themselves. Stupid western women wanting less violence/femicide and oppression. Stupid upside-down world. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:47 PM
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Are you switching your Tinder location to Iceland, New Zealand, the Netherlands? Or the Philippines, Thailand, Moldova? We need more information.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:44 PM
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What are you talking about young hot guys get plenty of attention, unless they have some massive character defect?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:38 PM
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Then why are you on here constantly arguing with 'modern women' who's opinions you allegedly don't give a shit about? Some men can choose to go and do this and be happy. Women and other men can choose to find it weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:35 PM
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Interesting how insulting/looking down on a man's looks is wrong, but a that same man seeing women on his level as 'slumming' it and beautiful women as being what he should get is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:32 PM
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There probably wasn't as much of a stigma in the past (50+ years ago), but women still stuck mostly to their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:24 PM
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Women are attracted to looks. Stop denying that. Stop telling us what we're attracted to in such binary terms. It's like you're trying to convince us (or yourselves). Most pretty young women would rather a handsome man around their age, who is not in debt and has a decent job, that a 40yo 'strong' man with status. Status and riches matter less as women make more and more money and stand alone more (apart from to goldddiggers).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:09 PM
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It's 'not all men/I'm nothing to do with him' when a man has done something terrible. But when a man/men have done something great, the unrelated mediocre/subpar men are eager to have a portion of the glory-pie. Totally agree with everything you've written here, badger
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 05:02 PM
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Did you mean physically unnattractive? That just seems like a weird attempt of shaming. 'Oh, well, pretty women like to be belittled so you must not know any pretty women.' I'm speaking generally based on inherent self-worth. I am. Hard disagree with that. Europe has more than forty countries so it can't be generalised, but many countries in western Europe are more secular than the US, so if anything, have fewer qualms when it comes to casual sex. There are many women everywhere though who do no…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 04:37 PM
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Have you slept with most women? You have indicated else where your experience is mainly hook ups? Maybe women don't care/look into the guy as much when it comes to hook ups. If that's what you're after then go ahead. No problem. I am telling you that well-adjusted women with a healthy self-esteem would not want to be in a relationship with a man who puts her down/disrespects her. It's why Abusers have more success with women who are already traumatised/vulnerable. Other women would have walked a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 04:28 PM
1

Tonsss of women aren't into casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 04:24 PM
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No, you're completely wrong. Women respect men who respect women. Women who are drawn to men who, in some way, show that they don't respect women, have very low self-worth/are traumatised/broken. These are the women redpill men attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 04:11 PM
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You're brainwashed. You've already spouted one of the 'lines'. No, redpill sorts aren't nearly as subtle as they think they are. The resentment they have for women is notable in everything they say online; it wouldn't take too long for them to appear 'off' in public. Women like in shape guys with confidence. It's strange that any man needed to go somewhere to be told that. Women don't like men who mess about with their emotions, humiliate her by trying to make her jealous, treat her like a child…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:21 PM
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Yeah, that's one of the reasons I compared them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:14 PM
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They do. Priyanka got Backlash. Hugh Jackman's wife gets hate. It's not as common so it's not as much as a cliche. Studies show that people think big age gaps are weird either way, but it's only perceived as a big power balance with the man older, probably due to physical strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:10 PM
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Being redpill instantly blocks someone being high value in any meaningful way for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:07 PM
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You do realise all of this is part of the reason more and more men aren't getting sex or any interactions with women? And that women are way more likely to 'drag a man along/flake'. We see men support a man who promotes harmful behaviour to women/girls. This is why we're leaving dating apps, not going to clubs so much/not wanting to be stop on the street. The spilling out of this toxic brand of humbling women/being a man turns us away.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 04:12 AM
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When you point out that you like/are drawn to a specific person, because he is a misogynist, it can be assumed that you are one too, no? Why would like a woman purely because she hates black people if I am actually against racism? Makes no sense. Casual woman-hating has been around for millennia, as well as straight up mistreatment that often didn't receive consequences. Now that men are getting some jokes/belittling back as well as accountability and repercussions (or, at least, more than in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 04:09 AM
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Much of what we see online is a mirage.. propaganda. Plenty of decent kind otherwise average men are coupling up with decent kind otherwise average women quietly and happily. The alpha caricatures shout the loudest, but where's the proof? Where's Fresh or Fit or Richard Cooper or any of the other's amazing feminine wifeys? Most women are repulsed by that sort of thing, and those who aren't are not likely to be going in anyone's amazing wholesome woman tier.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:51 AM
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It does. We're talking about men who are struggling with their looks/the opposite sex. You references your own experiences, and I replied that this isn't unique to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:36 AM
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It wasn't rich men per se; it was royal and aristocratic men, and that was because more was down to political alliances between countries and houses/heirs, rather than desire/love. The other 99% stuck to their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:34 AM
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This isn't unique to men, though. There are women who were bullied mercilessly at school for being fat/ugly/having acne, whatever. They aren't sitting around expecting society to hand them a man on a plate for sex and relationships. They still realise it's on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:29 AM
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No, that's what Myron Gaines and Andrew Tate told you. You've observed nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:27 AM
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You can't complain about systemic misandry and then declare yourself a 'misogynist woman-hater' (redundant), silly. That makes you a hypocrite! Whatever. Ultimately, as well as making women/girls more wary, it's setting men up for failure, which will only make them more lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:26 AM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:21 AM
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My point was that every man is different. People shouldn't be spoken of in absolutes ('Leo speaks for every man's wildest dream') There's nuance. By 15/20 years? By 2/3? I've said that about 50 times on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:05 AM
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I don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 03:00 AM
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No. Look it up or don't believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:51 AM
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Young soy boy, 1000%
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:49 AM
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Big age gap marriages (on average more than 5 years) are mostly a thing in Africa, because forced child marriage is more of a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:49 AM
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I agree, and I think Leo probably knows that. It seems to be a no-bad-feelings arrangement. I just find it strange when he's touted by guys saying, 'don't worry about getting rejected right now. Think about marriage at 35/40 and then the 20yos will come. Look at Leo.!'
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:47 AM
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Nah, we form it from getting the ick when crusty old men approach us. A silent reflexive ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:44 AM
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Women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:39 AM
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That was convoluted. Normal stems from what is the norm. So, what is common.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:38 AM
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I mean, Steve Buscemi could do the same thing. I think at some point the confidence is eroded by the realisation of how much of it is down to money. There are so many really famous people who talk about not knowing who to trust, because they feel like everyone is just with them for money/fame. For men who literally don't care and just want a pretty woman on his arm and sex, I could imagine it seeming great. Quite a few women wouldn't, genuinely. She's feel too 'bought' and, believe it or not, ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:08 AM
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The bulk of women would side-eye it the same way that environmentalists side-eye him taking a private jet to give an hour speech on respecting nature. Well, if you want to emulate him, best get to work on making those millions, earning those awards.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:03 AM
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No because a lot of them are first marriages, and in quite a few the gap isn't big.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:01 AM
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Because it's a stupid question. I don't know, is the answer. How could I? How can I know if men with much younger wives aren't sleeping around? Not sure how this is linked to my original post, but whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 02:00 AM
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ASSUMPTION: These rich famous men ARE also living that 'dream life' on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 12:53 AM
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Essentially, or how things were 200 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 12:53 AM
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Yeah, with 2nd and 3rd marriages etc. Those are also statistically more and more likely to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 12:50 AM
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They think that women's right to vote/not be raped/own property/keep control of earnings/go to uni, etc should be stripped.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 12:49 AM
2

Leo has the potential to be handsome, but there are so many photos lately where he just looks like a younger Jack Nicholson. I agree that things are different than for Bill Gates, but I definitely think the boost in profile has had a big appeal for Leo's last few gfs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 12:22 AM
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I agree with the purely physical justification. But, often, especially if the man wants marriage, other things come into it than just looks. If, for example he has children and especially daughters. My dad dated around in his late 40s/50s, and he never wanted anyone younger than 5 years younger. He didn't want more children so that wasn't an issue. But he felt uncomfortable thinking about 20s women. He associated it too much with me and my friends who he had watched grow up. People have told my …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 12:20 AM
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I disagree. But that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 12:10 AM
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Do you think these women would be anywhere as eager for Leo (him today) if he was an accountant. Many of the women are models/aspiring actresses. There's already quite a transactional undercurrent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 12:09 AM
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Yes, I'm criticising the idea of solely Leo as the representation of a 'top man'
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 12:07 AM
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Men do it for women. It's only fair we should do it for ourselves. Last comment from me. You're too far gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 11:44 PM
2

How was the Mistress better? If she was, wouldn't he still be with her? Jgarner supported him when had alcoholism- what many men here would call the elusive unicorn/ride or die? You being so superficial only reveals your own biases. As far as I know, Jlo, Megan etc weren't nuns, so what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 11:42 PM
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I think the healthy role model thing is huge too. Young men and boys are looking up to Andrew Tate because he seems to them to be 'in control and masculine' to the point of parody. He tells these young men - who are struggling to get attention from any woman - that to be a proper man you must have multiple beautiful women enthusiastically sleep with you and agree to share you or they don't properly love/desire/respect you. This coupled with the misconception that most women are sleeping with sma…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 11:38 PM
1

Are you dim? Because. I. See. Women. Being. Fed. A. Narrative. Online. And. I. Want. To. Counter. It. Why do you care so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 11:14 PM
2

Why do you care what I say to women about men? Do you care as much about what men spew to other men about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 11:08 PM
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They could look to role models who don't promote hookups as the route to being a man, who instead focus on self improvement and actualisation as being paramount, with possible attention from a woman being a nice addition. They could become that role model themselves. They could expand their friend group/reconnect with family, etc, have passions. They should work out whether they want just sex or a relationship from a woman. If the former they should focus as much as they can on their looks; if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 11:06 PM
1

To remind them that their preferences aren't abnormal/too demanding, yes. Why the vitriol towards me? And not the male members of this space who tell women that they'll have to settle every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:54 PM
1

I find it bad that he - and he acknowledged this - truly found his audience from 'humbling women' rather than from his 'male self-improvement/accountability' stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:52 PM
1

Creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:50 PM
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Meek shy programmers aren't 'demonised' for not getting sex; they're 'demonised' for using it as a cause to call for extreme violence/rolling back of rights in order to obtain sex. Plenty of shy guys without much experience. No one hates them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:47 PM
3

It's 2-3 in US and UK
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:37 PM
1

To remind women to remember the stats and not feel pressured to go along with a narrative that something is much more common and natural than it is. Why do you care what I tell women? Men can tell men things, give them stats, but I shouldn't be able to do the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:36 PM
2

Why do manosphere men try to convince women to go along with these preferences ('if you date a high value man he will cheat'/'if you are over [insert age] you will not meet a great man/if you focus on a career, etc). Why can men of your ilk be found eeveerrywhere droning on, trying to convince women to go along with certain things. You've got a nerve speaking about women bleating. It's men everywhere online criticising women for being demanding/calling women entitled for having standards. Etc I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:19 PM
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Can you admit that wide age gaps are less common than what is parroted around here?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:07 PM
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Average age gap in 17th/18th/19th century had the man on average 2-3 years older in England, France, Sweden, etc. Things haven't suddenly become 'woke'. Women prefer men older, but still very close to their age, on average. It's not women being sheep and brainwashed by society. We like men our age by and large. 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:04 PM
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👍
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:52 PM
1

Are you friends with either of them? I didn't know you knew Florence Pugh's thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:50 PM
1

I'm not in with the elite/celebs, so I wouldn't know. I certainly know it's something that manospherd guys say a 'high-value man' might demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:49 PM
1

Or it could be that they were 20 years apart. Even with normal couples, marriages with age gaps like that have a much higher rate of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:44 PM
1

We care when men try to get us to think it's more normal/widespread than it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:43 PM
0

Jessica Rabbit pillow or (insert Hentai character) pillow?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:41 PM
1

Hold out for it, champ!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:39 PM
3

So they're having children with women they don't want rather than stay single or marry younger? Get a grip.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:38 PM
0

Never argued that more men are older. Why did you use the 4% figure at first for older women? Did you not look at the stats before? 2-3 year average age gap with the man older. These are the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:33 PM
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I brought up that some rich famous men have older wives, which goes against the Leo speaks for us all manosphere message. You brought up open marriages randomly. I asked why that only applies when the woman is older .. ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:32 PM
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I've heard that phrase. I often hear it said along with, 'only women and children are loved unconditionally'. These two phrases seem to contradict one another, unless the man is staying with his wife because he loves her but cheating on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:28 PM
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My example is not to use one famous man to speak for all men. Yes, around 2-3 is a lot of western countries. You're welcome to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:27 PM
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That's nice. A lot won't get them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:15 PM
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*7.9% of women are +4 years in US
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:10 PM
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My point is why is the open relationship thing relevant when I am talking about men married to older women? I do, and I am encouraging others to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:03 PM
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Muuuch more common at the 3 end than the 9 though, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:53 PM
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The percentage of men marrying women 10+ years younger is much smaller than the manosphere would have you believe (larger than vice versa, but still rare).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:45 PM
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How common is men marrying women 10-15 years younger, which would be right on track with Rollo's respective peak value claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:43 PM
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How do you know that the men with significantly younger women aren't in open relationships? How do we know that any woman and any man anywhere aren't in an open relationship. Most people prefer seem to strive for monogamy, on the whole. But I realise for manosphere men they will tie themselves in knots rather than acknowledge that a handsome rich famous man might genuinely love and be attracted to an older woman? There are soo many manosphere type baits for women saying... 'see, ladies, what hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:42 PM
3

Which part is scandalous?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:27 PM
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I can't work out whether they deliberately play dense to exhaust us or if it's genuine? You can hit them around the head with real life statistics, but they'll cling to the fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:21 PM
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And Leo?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:18 PM
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How's that related to my point about marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:16 PM
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No, but I'm from the UK, just more exposed to all of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:11 PM
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Well, let's get rid of any data; 'igotthechinesevirus' has the truth of everything. And Hollywood men have never cheated on younger lovers?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:04 PM
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Maybe he has a more laid-back personality? Harry's always struck me as a bit dim, personally. It doesn't mean he's being terrorised? Doesn't this speak against the redpill 'truth' that men are natural leaders? Shouldn't we see things as more nuanced?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:00 PM
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The same thing is alleged of Leo.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:58 PM
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Because it should be the reverse? She should be the second-in-command? Is that what you mean? He's almost 40, has dealt with the paparazzi since he was born and fought in Afghanistan. He's not quite the weak little boy being led around.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:57 PM
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'Most attracted to' does not equal 'Most committed to staying with and having a family with.' No need to link the OKCupid study. Men here use it every chance they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:55 PM
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My point isn't that these women don't receive criticism. That doesn't change the fact that these 'top-notch' men married them, and even if it was when they were less famous, it's not as if divorce isn't very common in Hollywood. My point is that using Leo Dicaprio as the model of 'what handsome, rich, famous, man-with-options' do is flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:48 PM
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You should tell all the guys who bring him up that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:26 PM
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What do you mean about Harry?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:20 PM
2

How is Leo 'proof'?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:18 PM
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This is getting a little tiring, but I'll bite - how have I contradicted myself?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 12:32 AM
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I would think someone who positions himself as an 'authority/elder' in a certain community would have something to say when his stance on things is clearly contradicted by hard data. Isn't redpill about facing the truth, no matter how far it veers away from the pretty fantasy? Perhaps letting me know you're not prissy has more weight in your mind, though. I wouldn't go as far as to say I have a self-righteous rage; I float between concern and bemusement. Admittedly, I do get a certain satisfacti…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 10:19 PM
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I notice you skip passed the points that offer proof backing up what I say (women marry on average at the age that results in less chance of divorce/small age gaps best suited for success, etc, etc). Quite slippery of you. Why should women care what you think, though? Why should any young woman care what a single childless man old enough to be her dad has to say about the joy of young motherhood and marriage for women? You proclaim yourself an authority on manosphere matters. I merely checked ty…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 08:49 PM
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I am in my 20s, so not quite feeling the flames yet. I wouldn't say it's personal, more a broad resentment against men attempting to condition women into walking down a path (that serves men well) or else experience hell/untold misery, etc. I understand that 'you're taking this personally' is a well-used weapon in the chauvinist's arsenal against 'sensitive, erratic' women, though. I've done a little bit of research, since I see you (a single older man) giving advice to impressionable young wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 07:34 PM
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20s, UK: I'd say about 80% of couples I see are well matched in looks (and age). 15% have the woman better looking, 5% have the man better looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 05:52 PM
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It's about whether the woman wants it or not. Marriage age gap trends are more influenced by what the woman's preferences, not the man's, which is why the gap hovers around 'man-2 years-older' in a lot of countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 05:22 PM
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Did a 50yo woman run over your dog or something? Why do you seem so giddy and smug at the idea of a woman suffering for the last half of her life? It's curious, and hardly something I'd associate with the 'suave, unjaded, killing-it older gent who lives life on his terms' jibe that I believe you're eager to give off. Secondly, it's not even true. Men struggle more with being single, and fall apart more emotionally after getting dumped, divorced (even though the woman is generally left worse off …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 05:11 PM
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Do well with women in their 20s into his 40s? Is this with a view of marriage? A very small percentage of women marry men 15+ years their senior?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 04:37 PM
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Thai/Filipina women with Swedish guys. There are also more. Chinese or South Korean men are marrying Vietnamese women (government set up wife schools) and there was a lot of abuse so they had to do stricter vetting/set things up more. Near military bases Japanese women in the past five decades are seen often at women's shelters. The soldiers had previously spoken about the appeal of perceived Japanese subservience compared to American women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 01:54 AM
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I'm not really talking about education or even intelligence. I'm talking about poverty and naivety. A 19yo student at a top uni being approached by a rich 45yo man will, even with her degree, not earn as much as she could have somewhere else, and a lack of experience (not sex, just of the world/being an adult) may make her naive/more gullible.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 01:08 AM
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I don't really see problems with anything you've said. The ones who go on about women being subservient/not speaking out, etc are the ones who are disturbing to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 12:33 AM
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Real
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 12:15 AM
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Ah, yeah makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 12:00 AM
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How do you mean as a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:33 PM
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I didn't bring in the original 75% link. Someone else did. Why should I have to trawl through responses? I'm not here to help you out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:32 PM
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You can't speak for every man out there. If you are the upstanding non-sleazy man you claim, then the sleazy ones would have kept their distance. The sleazy ones are focusing on poor teenagers. I've travelled around/stayed in hostels, and I know how creepy/invincible some men feel when not in their home country. I'm not struggling/poor and was always with friends so nothing awful happened, but still my own experience and other women's experiences should be the benchmark, not one guy saying, 'we'…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:28 PM
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Well, gosh, think for yourself Type 75% Thai women abuse into Google and it'll probably be the first link
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:22 PM
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Poverty. Young age. Lack of education. Cultural norms that make pushy foreigners take an advantage Something in the nature of the culture/gender dynamics that leads to such a high percentage of women to experience abuse from men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:20 PM
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Not you, perhaps, but there is hatred spewed every day online/in the manosphere for modern women who don't want to fit into 'what ought to be their role.' If they are pleasant then what is wrong with marrying one? Them serving a purpose for sex sounds like how a user would justify their actions, which is bizarre when women are criticised for using men for resources
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:18 PM
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No, I think it's weird when any man has submissive as a desired trait, but this is purple pill and leans male, so I'm more in the minority. Men can find a way, and women and other men can comment if it seems sleazy and comments from foreign women and stats back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:15 PM
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The link someone else posted. A survey was done. Women answered. You could always click on it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:12 PM
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Look at the abuse statistic just above your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:11 PM
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Not to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:10 PM
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I'll leave the guys to get back to you. Mainly what I see is them complaining about no woman on their level wanting them, but then they describe "their level' and there are describing a woman who sounds like their ideal woman/admittedly above them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:10 PM
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I am concerned based on stats/research/what foreign women say, not on whether you have given me leave to be concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:05 PM
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Age gaps being more common than they really are Age gaps being the best dynamic, even though it leads to greater risk of divorce. Women are hypergamous, even though plenty are married to men exactly on their level in looks/age/income and stay married. Inexperienced women, even religious virgins prefer sexually experienced men Okay, but why such vitriol generally towards 'modern women' for not wanting that for themselves? You wouldn't want to push hundreds of millions into that, would you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:04 PM
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Power imbalance exists. You felt a need to a submissive gf (making you feel superior) even when ugly. How is that different than an ugly woman wanted to be treated like a queen? Men here absolutely expect sympathy. There's a post almost every day about how women don't care about/see the bottom 80% of men and how awful that it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 10:58 PM
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Why is there a rate of 75% violence in Thailand where most women don't bother reporting it? Doesn't that speak to a lack of confidence in being helped on her part?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 10:54 PM
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Stop talking for all men. There are plenty of men who are in happy enduring relationships where no one leads/they lead depending on issue/personality type. There are also plenty of single men online and in person who never indicate that desire/or speak to the contrary. I don't even feel like I'm talking to a real person, just a robot spitting out redpill lines on autopilot. We don't need to see man as above us (and for him to see us as below him). We don't need to feel grateful. This isn't biolo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 10:48 PM
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I think for some the second option is true, but there are too many men who talk about being ignored ('due to women's insane standards') who also talk about wanting a very beautiful woman/gorgeous young girl/to discount the first
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 10:42 PM
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Yes, but when you see so many redpill talking points proved false by real life people, do you ever rethink your position, or do you dig your heels in deeper and conclude that most people are simply living their lives incorrectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 10:31 PM
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Extreme difference in class is one many things that can lead to a power imbalance. With men scouting run-down foreign towns, it's often to do with more than just class.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 10:25 PM
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Why do you act as if unnattractive men who want hot women are going through hell? They would consider someone on their level as 'slumming it', yet you're surprised when we lean towards mockery rather than sympathy. Incels were mentioned. The idea of the girl being a consenting adult often is fought against in incel discussions. I'll say this for the 50th time. Anytime a considerably younger, poorer, (sometimes), more ignorant woman (also physically weaker) from a less developed/more corrupt coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 10:23 PM
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When you say more attractive, less overweight (Americsn men aren't a healthy weight either) etc, do you really think women won't see it as a dig when this is a forum for men and women? You could have easily posted in Redpill/married redpill. You knew what you were doing. You didn't just praise foreign women. You put Americans down in the process. Do you think if a woman posted here encouraging American women to go to Scandinavia because the men there are more handsome, taller and less dorky, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 09:05 PM
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Good thing they don't wake up with the mission of pleasing you
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 09:01 PM
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Why would Americans miss a select few men, many who admit they aren't wanted? Most men remain the US. Most men marry domestically. If the fish are eager for the rusty bikes, then why is it so often the men online bemoaning their singleness.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 09:00 PM
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How would you know? Do you believe everything you hear at face value?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 08:57 PM
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Ewww. Are you a Fresh and Fit watcher by any chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 08:56 PM
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I take it you mean Eastern European. Europe has a lot of countries. In a lot of ways women in Western Europe (live here) are even more 'modern' because a lot of countries are more secular than the US; there's a complete separation of church and state. Each country has its problems. Russia, Belarus, etc have very high divorce rates. Thailand and Colombia have high rates of cheating for women and men. Many guys say that Latinas/Eastern European women are quite into appearances/materialistic. I'm n…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 08:55 PM
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But can they stop you? Are they protesting at airports against the awful passport bros? Why do you care so much, unless you're stung by their beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 08:36 PM
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So it is about riling American women, then? Why's that such an important part of it for you. Btw, you have a serious chip on your shoulder about black women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 08:33 PM
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A) Often it's not that the Western are good in any way, but the foreign women may be bitter about their own men so certain things (isn't an alcoholic, isn't violent) count for more than they would for financiall6ly independent women with more opportunities. B) Would the men here be happy with a homely but nice foreign women? Goes against a lot of what I see here. A lot of expectations of being inundated with slim, young gorgeous women. Why is it that women shouldn't focus on money or looks, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 08:31 PM
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I know my audience. Redpillers are notorious for black and white thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 08:11 PM
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I post this because when asked what makes a feminine woman, this is what most MEN here point to first. I am believing what the men say and working backwards as to why. Perhaps that's because many men literally insult another man by saying, 'pathetic, femininine, weak'. We don't hate being women/being feminine. But it's for us to decide. What we hate is men definining Femininity (in self-serving ways, often at the expense to the Woman's dignity, happiness and even safety) and then using it as an …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 07:53 PM
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Not personally, but why is it such a common mindset with the guys here/in manosphere?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 07:43 PM
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So the natural way of things is the man being put first and his benefits being maximised? No compromise? No wonder so many guys struggle with relationships. Not everything is a fight for domination.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 07:41 PM
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This is gross. Why do you need gratitude? Why are the men here so obsessed with the idea of a woman being below him/in debt to him? Have the hypergamy posts rotted your mind, or are you just so insecure that a woman wanting to be with you isn't enough. She has to need to be with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 07:39 PM
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Giant leap in the second sentence. I'm not for banning immigration (that seems to be more of something PPmen here would like than women, apart from when it comes to importing a bride). My point is that it's right that there is concern. There should be more support/assistance for foreign wives and awareness of the potential dangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 07:22 PM
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Thought I was dealing with someone rational. I've learned my lesson from this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 07:16 PM
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Indian people have arranged marriages a lot. So perhaps western men think they wouldn't be wanted/accepted? Or maybe it's because submissive Indian girl porn isn't much of a genre in porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 07:06 PM
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Go ahead! Nothing you could say would put me up or down. Knock yourself out? Which one?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 07:04 PM
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People couple up all the time. And 85% of men are under 6ft, so this isn't as much of a big deal as some guys make out. To be honest, I think many just have shit views of women/bad personalities/resentment and don't want to work on those things so it's easier to blame it on something unfixable like his height. A fat woman who wants a fit man is just as likely to be shamed online as a fat man wanting a slim woman. A few women might say, 'you go girl', same as a few men might say, 'you go, king!' …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 07:03 PM
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Never been on that website. Heard it's a bunch of teenagers who post edgy content. No idea, though. More up your alley, perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:58 PM
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Which is it? Are lonely men doing what they can as no western woman wants them, or are the western men not losers and are actually in a position to be choosy? I see both points being argued here. Why do those women remain feminine (often described by these men in quite self-serving terms to men)? If it in natural to them, then surely even the most liberated women would still embrace it as it's such a fundamental part of her? Or it she conditioned to be that way through desperation, violence and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:55 PM
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What sort of weak reply is that? If the men here state that 22yo women are secretly attracted to 40yo redpill men with 'gravitas' but the matrix is convincing them that they're not, then it must be true, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:48 PM
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I don't know or care about the details of one relationship, but in general, when one person is richer, older (and, if a man, physically stronger) then that person tends to hold a lot of power. They may not choose to use it, but it's there. And many do. It's strange that this even needs to be argued.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:46 PM
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So what's the conclusion? That unless the woman 'serves with a smile', relationships are doomed?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:44 PM
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In many of the cases, it may turn out well. There is still a squeamishness about a man targeting a country that will make this a selling point against him I.e. a positive trait I have is that I will be less likely to beat you than a man from your own country (but still more likely than a man from my country who goes for a woman from my country.) It's not just about the Thai Woman's odds. It's the knowledge that the sort of man drawn to this is more likely to mistreat a woman that his peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:41 PM
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Look anywhere online. I am saying it based on collective knowledge/experience etc. That's what people say when they have a point to share but don't feel like giving fifteen links. I never quotes it, as if it was from that particular study.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:37 PM
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You didn't, but other men are on this thread (and have posted links). If he genuinely is a kind compassionate guy just wanting love and playing his odds then who am I to stop him? How many men (not just here, but guys who try to internationally date) rant about female impossible standards/entitlement, but then go to a specific country because he 'requires' a 'top tier gorgeous girl', even tough he is lacklustre himself. Men and women each try to date up in different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:36 PM
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It depends how you define redpill in this context. Many people didn't raise their sons to embrace redpill as it didn't exist as an easy to reference thing. I'd say a lot of boys are raised to try not to think of women as children, and to not emotionally abuse them so that they won't leave. which are redpill beliefs, I believe. I see 90% as a huge majority. I used 90% because I've seen it used frequently by redpill men when they complain about how they're the stalwarts in a sea of plugged in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:30 PM
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Nah, incels fight for Power imbalance. The women here try to decrease it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:25 PM
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I did specifically address the women here, but obviously anyone can contribute. Why do I care about your relationship lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:24 PM
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The men specifically go to poorer countries. A stat has been posted here that 75% of Thai women experience violence. They're vulnerable. Not all, but for men seeking them out, that seems to be the selling point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:23 PM
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Yeah, it happens. Absolutely. Would you say it happens as often as the reverse? Would you say that these men are more at risk of violence/death than the women from third world countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:14 PM
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Also, I'm not telling Thai women anything. They have their own voices, and often speak about this stuff online (if you care to look). I'm talking to PPD women, suggesting they don't bow to being shamed for seeing it as sleazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:12 PM
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I don't think anyone needs information about how bad certain countries are when it comes to violence against women. Most women (and men) feel squeamish about the idea that men view women from countries where abuse is rife as being 'more of how a woman should be/more of what I like.' Almost as if 'their ideal feminine woman' is conditioned into submission by poor treatment. That doesn't sit right with a lot of people. In sheer numbers, women may very well have a better chance than they would with…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:11 PM
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That was me. That was why there are no quote marks. Look online anywhere where the police/psychologists, etc are talking about the increased chance of abuse. It's what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:05 PM
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But I thought a bunch of women were going to Africa and sleeping with poor men? Which is it? Of course. But deliberately going to a certain country (always poorer/always less developed) for women raises questions, and it makes sense that it does. Vulnerable women are more likely to be in danger and non-vulnerable women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:04 PM
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If most women are blue-pilled (or against redpill, whatever), and most men (I see 90% touted a lot), do redpillers ever sit back for a second and think that they could be wrong? Or is the huge majority wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 06:02 PM
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First, Passport Bros has maybe been a 'phenomenon' (not really, but a thing) for 2-3 years. I heard about it a month ago, on here. Before that women just thought of it as fat men in sandals going to Thailand. The passport bros can't get them. It's like MGTOW. They're being sent on their way. You don't uproot your entire life just to go to a country where a woman of your choosing may be more amenable to you if you are a winner in your own country. These passport bros are doing it to rile women. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 05:51 PM
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They did. I can't remember exactly what it was. It was something like 6% of Swedish women reported abuse and 26% of Thai/Filipina women. The study is somewhere online.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 05:41 PM
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It depends how you define progressive. If you're talking about a woman who has progressive views towards her own rights (fighting to not be raped/beaten by her husband/retain control over own money/work, etc) then these men don't need any shaming from women. They're exposing themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 05:39 PM
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Because you can read minds?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 05:37 PM
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Is that your line of defence? That because the women (as a whole) from these countries are so exposed to abuse, that they should be happy there's less chance of it (still a lot, still coming from the more abusive men from the west), but less chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 05:37 PM
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Are the guys here aware that in the grand scheme of things veeery few American women actually know about the passport bros trend? It's fairly niche. Some women like to debate this stuff, but it's still less probs less than 1% of the adult female population of Western countries. For most women, they might have heard of fat rich 60yos going to Thailand, but that's where it ends for them. This fantasy that all women are suddenly going to turn around and say, 'no please stay, we'll compete. We'll ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 04:12 PM
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Surely you can see a difference between Berlin, the UK and Melbourne, and Bogota, Mexico City and Belgrade (and often smaller rural less prosperous towns) that the men frequent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 04:09 PM
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Why is it that when a man speaks on here with an opposing opinion, he is simply speaking his mind, but a woman is 'crying'. She doesn't need to imply that you generalise all women in a negative way. You do that yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 04:08 PM
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Why do you have such a problem with women smearing passport bros, when you clearly have no issue at all smearing women? Domestic abuse complaints are higher for Western men and non-western women than they are for western men and western women pairings. The danger signs are there. You don't think it speaks badly to men leaving? Good for you. Go, then. But you can't force women and other men to not view something as slimy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 04:05 PM
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Countries women focus on when choosing a trip: France Spain, Italy, UK, Australia, etc. Countries Passport Bros focus on: Ukraine, Colombia, Romania, Belarus, etc. There's a difference in level of wealth between the man visiting and the local woman. This will always lead to accusations of exploitation
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 03:59 PM
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Lol, Stella get your groove back. You must be older. Tell us about the witty Andy Capp cartoon you perused today.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 03:55 PM
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So if a feminine woman is agreeable, and a masculine man is disagreeable, and the OP wants a feminine woman and to be seen as a masculine man, then that means he expects that when they see differently on an issue, she will give way/yield/bend to his will/however you want to phrase it, for no other reason than he is a man and she is a woman. You can see why people just think manosphere men want a submissive / head nodder. Why not own it, rather than arguing over semantics? Age: 'Attraction is non…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 03:53 PM
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Still? I disagree. The more women are earning, the more they want someone they are physically attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 12:32 AM
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I don't know what to say other than in real life I see couples of all looks levels and sizes getting together all the time. That said, there are more and more women who just want to he single/or are in a position where if they meet a guy they meet a guy but it's not a priority. This is down to things other than looks. Women mostly work, yet are still left doing more of the housework, childcare, etc. There are things like this that just make women not especially fussed about marriage/dating unles…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 03:12 PM
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Thanks! I instinctively cringe when I see men speak of their desire for a 'respectful' wife, and I don't at all when I see a woman say this about a man/husband. Because I know that women will generally mean... respects my boundaries, doesn't talk down to me, doesn't take me for granted, etc But with the men here it's often used in the way a schoolteacher might talk about children. It's just.. ughh
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 11:29 AM
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Which 40yo female influences are jealous that 22yo female influences are 'poaching' 40yo male influences?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 10:06 AM
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I think, for some, it's an attempt to plant a seed inside a woman's head of, 'this is common.. this is normal.' in the hopes that women will start to believe it's normal and magically all become attracted to considerably older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 10:05 AM
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I agree in both cases. If two people enter into the situation with eyes wide open and see potential happiness/benefits, then who are random internet people to judge how things should be? I do still find it a little odd that so many men will frame the 'man who is a 4 with the woman who is an 8' as the 'natural' way things ought to be and that poor American men ought to experience this as their own country has dating dynamics that are so out of whack.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:04 AM
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The OP says it in his third paragraph, when talking about the excellent options most men are missing out on when it comes to older/other cultures. My point isn't about how doable it is for the woman. My point was why would a purple pill man's view of ideal woman not go for a man who was above what he describes as average?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 08:28 AM
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If I were to say, feminists make themselves/other women their no.1 priority, whereas feminine women put a man/men in general as the top priority, would you view that as accurate? So many complaints about women seem to be about not being warm and supportive to men, but is it necessary for a woman to put herself in an subordinate position in order to do so?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 08:23 AM
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They then go down the whole, 'women are sex objects/men are success objects.. women are liked for their beauty/men are liked for their ability to provide resources ', but whenever there's a hint that a woman is drawn to a man for his resources she is branded a golddigger/is settling for him and will cheat/leave before long. A lot of it boils down to men asking why they can't just be liked for themselves by women, but only by kind, nurturing, beautiful, Slender women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 08:19 AM
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I think some men on here really overestimate how many women are dating/interacting with men online. The gender ratio for dating apps is like 5/1 (or even worse) male/female. If women were so spoiled, and dating apps were so great for us, why do apps keep hemorrhaging women (but not men) as time passes? I don't live in a city, which perhaps changes things, but none of my female acquaintances/friends/family members met their husbands/bfs online. They met through going to school together/being mutu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:26 AM
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Yes, you've seen it too. For so many women who are asked, 'why do you see a problem with men dating foreign women?', all they need to do is point to forums where the men, in black and white, speak about women in very disturbing ways, especially relating to what a woman may have suffered in a certain country and why she should be grateful to the point of worshipping him in comparison to what she may be used to. We are the opposite sex, from different countries and decades apart. I am not going to…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:13 AM
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Fair enough!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:33 AM
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Women who have a low body count as a result of religious views tend to want men who are similar. In which way should they care for their family. Most women nowadays help to provide for their families financially (traditional male role) while doing more than their fair share of the housework/childcare/admin/social calendar planning for family (traditional female role). They're doing a lot. Are you thinking more of a woman eager to be a housewife, or one who's less inclined to divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:28 AM
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There are videos of 'passport bros' walking up to American women, saying 'we're going abroad to because the women suit our tastes better there.' The American women will look at them blankly as if to say, 'right? Why are you telling me this?' and the men will then say, 'so what do you think of that? Are you willing to compete?' And the women say 'no. Good luck, though!' Men here may try to deny it, but a massive part of the movement is trying to get their country's women to 'convince' them to sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:24 AM
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'I want a woman who is religious enough to act in the restrained/modest/submissive manner that suits me best, but not so religious that she will make judgements about me/my past or expect me to act in a way that I find restrictive.'
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:20 AM
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Are the rates of marital satisfaction recorded for the woman too, or just the man? I would hope no one here judged a happy/successful/healthy relationship solely on whether the man is content with it? The lower divorce rates doesn't exclude the chance of exploitation. On the contrary, if a man marries a woman from a culture that is a) incredibly poor b) very corrupt c) women are harmed and are not taught to do much about it, then mistreatment/exploitation could still easily occur without it resu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:17 AM
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Do they adore 'their girls'? Men and women on here seem to have a different view of respect. When women talk about wanting a man who treats them with respect, they speak about basic civility and acknowledgement that one human pays to another. When men talk about respect, it often seems to mean 'respects me as an authority figure/superior to her.' More linked to a need for deference/reverence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:11 AM
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Women weren't so completely desperate. They had fewer options, yes, as there were fewer ways to meet a variety of men, and there were also financial/societal pressures. But women didn't simply blindly accept the first man who walked up to her. There are many examples (real life and fictional) of young women deciding which 'beau' to pay attention to and counting her valentine's cards, etc. Strangely, redpill men in some ways make life sound worse for women pre-1960 than feminism does. Yeah, and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:08 AM
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Yes, that's a point. And it follows for these men, that they would be more invested/committed to the relationship working if they had sacrificed a lot/made major alterations to their life, to get there. But I still don't see the full appeal from the woman's point of view. He is kind and genuine, yes. But she is kind, genuine (and beautiful and slim and often younger etc etc). Unless the state of the men in a particular country is particularly bad in the woman's view, or she is impoverished and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:02 AM
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There is a stigma against it for good reason. In Sweden, they even have a government department for it. 6% of Swedish men married to Swedish/other Scandi women were on the books for domestic violence complaints. With Swedish men who had Thai/Filipina brides, the rate was 20 something. They believe the gap is even bigger, as a lot of foreign women wouldn't be as quick to report it as a Swedish woman would (Language problems/lack of understanding of Swedish laws/customs/fear due to isolation/no mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 05:57 AM
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I'd like to point out that in many countries, for centuries, the age gap has been pretty small. This idea of 35yo men marrying 15yo women is skewed by focusing overly on royalty/aristocracy who a) have their own rules b) made up no more than 1% of the population. In 17th century France, women got married for the first time at 25 and men were 27. In 18th century England it was 26 for women and 28 for men. As we come down the years, the ages will go down and up but the gap of 2-3 years is consiste…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 05:40 AM
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Why is it that an average Joe (who's non-abusive, healthy and nice enough) is normal for wanting a 'beautiful, feminine' woman, yet American women are entitled for not wanting average Joe? You are an average guy who, though without any major flaws does not have any big points of attraction, yet you think it natural that you should get a beautiful, 'feminine' and traditional (so kind, submissive and nurturing/catering), which is many men here's idea of an ideal women. I find it strange how men ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 05:32 AM
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