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This is a very surface level analysis of bitches. They still people. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:46 PM
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LOL there are definitely short women with a height complex who only go for men who are 6' plus but even these women aren't deluding themselves that 6' is just slightly taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:59 AM
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It's also what a lot of men online seem to want anyway, more conservative traditional-minded women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:54 AM
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His height and frame obviously helps...I've just obviously noticed his face a lot everywhere. To me he looks everyday and forgettable, but yes also has a pleasant and warm demeanor - at least when it comes to how he looks and his smile.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 06:55 PM
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Regarding older famous men I remember wondering what people saw in like Mel Gibson, Sean Connery, Harrison Ford, John F Kennedy, John Edwards, etc and sure enough when my preferences became more conventional I kinda saw it...that middle-of-the-road blandness like "yeah they are handsome because there's nothing wrong with them".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 06:15 PM
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I don't think I'm cherrypicking because the hot ones were not hot to me or even noticeable when I was younger and less exposed to media. I would literally look at the ones who are supposedly hot and be very perplexed, like "this" is who all my classmates are drooling over? Now though I've found my preferences and what I deem "hot" fall in line with everyone else's.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 05:53 PM
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That was the type male or female I grew up perceiving as attractive...kind of the skinny pale emo type, but even before I listened to any emo or even knew what it was. Things are different now, and I wouldn't be so critical of it if they didn't just reflect exactly what the mainstream promotes now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:32 PM
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You can't look at a guy and say objectively you think he's goodlooking, like a nice car or painting, just b/c you don't wanna fuck him?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:29 PM
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I mean there are certain things also that remain unchanged like overall I still prefer someone who's fit and slim, but in terms of facial features, race, hair color, even texture, things have changed so much for me. If we're talking celebs I definitely would have naturally gravitated toward someone like Shailene Woodley and would not have noticed Megan Fox, Margot Robbie, or Blake Lively. For men definitely noticed Johnny Depp and Paul Rudd (yeah I know they're still conventional) but never Jame…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:27 PM
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Are there people here who can self introspect and see how their tastes in the opposite (or same) sex have changed due to media coverage and exposure? My own tastes have changed drastically multiple times but I grew up relatively sheltered and free from magazines or popular movies and entertainment. So in a way, even though everyone has inherent bias and predilections, I feel like I consider the preferences I had back then to be more naturally occurring and true. For example, growing up (I'm stra…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:02 PM
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Based on your post, as a specific woman with your sentiments and attitude, you definitely shouldn't get married. Men have it rough enough these days and every man spared is a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 07:22 AM
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There's a pretty big ass gray area between the conventionally attractive and unattractive, and also between neurodivergent and neurotypical.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 06:30 AM
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Hot take here it's gonna be superficial no matter what. She likes you for your looks, money, status, personality, whatever, it's all conditional on what you provide for her. And with her options she's tempted and available to cheat way way more than men ever are today. It's just a shitty risk men have to take in the modern day if they want to date. Men are equally shallow but without nearly the means and opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 06:27 AM
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This matches my observations and conversations with women. Most if not all women still want a relationship as I see very few single women, but many also say they don't want kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 06:27 AM
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Why do feminists and women care about the patriarchy, real or imagined?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 08:09 PM
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BuT ThEyRe JuSt WeArInG iT FoR ThEmSelVeS!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 08:07 PM
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I have adopted very much a "fuck everyone" introverted lifestyle over the years that I definitely wouldn't want my kid to follow. A big part of me knows it's not healthy mentally but it's hard to get past my dislike of humanity in general the more I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 04:45 PM
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Brain fog and concentration issues are very common in times of stress. During the pandemic my hypochondriac ass kept thinking i had COVID bc i read brain fog was a symptom when it was just stress. Not saying in your case that's all it is just to be safe, and I would make sure to eat enough but the body and brain's reaction to stress accounts for a lot of the symptoms many are experiencing in the modern day and it's why they are frustrated when they go to the doctor and the tests find nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 03:44 PM
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Would you do the same thing looking back and think more long-term while in school? I suppose your answer is valid but I was looking more along the lines of things you actively follow that you wouldn't want your kids to follow growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 03:35 PM
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Yes. Honestly anytime you do anything extreme your body can give you all sorts of symptoms, physical and mental. Dizziness, headaches, weakness in muscles, trouble concentrating or maintaining attention span, memory issues, brain fog, fatigue, sensitivity to sound or light, the list doesn't end really.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 03:29 PM
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I know there are people here with kids already, some with even adult children, but anyway assuming you have a child that you care for and want the best for, is there anything you would teach/tell/advise them about the opposite sex that you yourself don't follow - or you follow certain rules you wouldn't want your children to follow? Some of us I'm sure have adopted unhealthy attitudes and procedure when dating or with gender dynamics and I wonder if there are any honest people here who would sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 03:27 PM
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One of the most inaccurate stereotypes is the one about the popular partying people or the greek life people being the dumb jocks and bimbos. Most of these people actually got decent to good grades because it was socially encouraged to keep up with everyone, get into a good prestigious school and career path, etc. Also, if you had the support system, resources and facilities to take care of yourself and be socially competent, you probably were well-adjusted in other areas as well. Obviously you …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 06:41 PM
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Alright so where are the studies that say high iq means lower attraction, b/c that's not the same as saying high iq means higher probability of being a virgin or not having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 06:39 PM
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LOLL how is it an invasion of privacy if these nudes and videos are already online for everyone to see and presumably posted by the woman herself voluntarily?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 12:49 AM
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So...why isn't there any talk about leveling the playing field and evening out the privilege since so many women and everyone else likes to talk about making things fair? Because god knows they don't stfu when it's men with the privilege or advantage in any category.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:36 PM
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A lot of guys have talked about it and also it works from experience as women feel more comfortable if you're socially preselected by other women. Not speakin for everyone though ofc shrug. I don't do it much anymore as I've felt it's kind of shitty to be deceptive or disingenuous to women you have no intent of pursuing anything with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 06:49 PM
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That's extremely lazy, but the bigger issue is that too many doctors do not consider education to be a part of their duty to patients. That includes the ones that do actively listen. They see their job as to diagnose, treat medically, and send them on their way. I always thought that was a terrible idea. It doesn't feel like too many doctors feel personally invested in their patients having the best quality of life and that's a real problem. We complain about webMD and Google, but I think this p…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 06:31 AM
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You also weren't actually underweight according to formula. Maybe you had lost weight that you weren't aware of and your doctor was saying this isn't where you normally sit and it's concerning? That's a strange one. Not to sound arrogant but again I think it's b/c a lot of doctors including mine just automatically think oh hey a person with a BMI actually under 20, must be underweight. I've been slim all my life and there was no drastic weight loss. It was also kind of dismissive, like "Well, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 06:23 AM
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6'0 and 160 sounds ideal, although many would say it's too low (which it isn't). I have a fair amount of muscle and not many bones showing but in any case their consensus was I'm underweight but I'm in good condition and health, which just confused me. The fact that they just pulled out a food pyramid that was from a 20 year old textbook confirms they aren't very good at emphasizing or instructing you on a healthy preventative lifestyle. In fact I used to have a bad diet but I don't think they e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:40 AM
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I'm not saying your health is necessarily in danger I'm just saying according to the charts anything below 18.5 is underweight and you are 2 lbs away from being underweight when you said you aren't close. Obviously 2 lbs makes little difference for overall health assuming absolutely nothing else changes overall like lifestyle or body composition.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:00 AM
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Ok so not knockin on you or nuthin but since you're a doctor, where are your sources that say 18.5 is nowhere near underweight? Everywhere I search they put 18.5 as the lower limit even by international and I assume Asian standards. In a way I get it though. I've been a lot weight relatively my entire life and I've always felt fine or great.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 03:06 AM
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Do you also have a small or narrow frame? Damn I thought I was skinny I'm 5'10 135 but I'm a dude lol. Totally true lmao at our height in america anything below 150 and people be like "get this guy a burger".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 02:45 AM
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The thing is, the reason why you hear a lot of "BMI doesn't tell the whole story" from people is to somehow infer that high BMI doesn't mean unhealthy, when almost every time it most certainly does. They usually don't play the BMI card b/c they have an interest in exploring or discussing public health. It does not surprise me that so many people with relatively low BMI have too much body fat and are at risk for the same chronic illnesses and metabolic issues as those with a high BMI bc of our se…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 02:15 AM
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....right, so we agree. BMI technically is "not an accurate way" to measure health, but basically for 99% of the population a high BMI means too much fat. The "BMI doesn't tell the whole story" objection is thrown around constantly as if America is a nation of bodybuilders.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 01:41 AM
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Oh this again. How many 5'9" guys over 170 are at that weight b/c of muscle? If you have a BMI of under 25 it's no guarantee of health or fitness since most people in the west are soft and out of shape, but if your BMI is over 25 it is extremely likely you have too much fat unless you're a bodybuilder or heavily muscled athlete.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 01:32 AM
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The most blue-pilled piece of dating advice I agree with is just how much social awareness and intelligence matter in harnessing attraction and chemistry. And it's a big one. Looks matters to men is common sense to the point that it never ever needs to be mentioned? LOL ok, let's assume that's the case. But you won't find very much specific or comprehensive advice on how to achieve or at least fake social competence in any variety of generic articles dispensing dating advice to men either - it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 04:43 PM
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"Not necessarily wrong, just useless or not enough" is the legacy of the blue-pill. Yeah, be yourself, be kind, take showers, be respectful, sensitive, listen to her. All technically good ideas. Are they enough or the most important pivotal factors in attraction? Absolutely not. Most men who struggle with dating and seeking advice aren't lacking in the hygiene area or in being nice or caring or sensitive, so why do people keep telling them the same old shit? Blue-pillers, also known as just ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 04:33 PM
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Radfems are often man-hating butch ass lesbians. It's the garden variety purple-haired regular woke inclusive intersectional feminists who preach against gender norms but secretly, like most straight women, want the conventionally masculine hot dude. As I always say, it's fun to watch them duke it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 04:14 PM
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There's also a type of conventional strategy or knowledge among men that if you want to get a woman, get to her friends or hit on them first to make her either jealous, curious, establish familiarity in her social circle, etc. Women do this too, but more subtly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 04:08 PM
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Nobody who has read remotely any history would assume it moves in a straight line.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 02:07 PM
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LOL I'm sorry, 99% of men would improve their success with women if they improved their looks, fashion, and athleticism. Where is the lie? Doesn't matter if you have a 3/10 face or 8/10 face, you will do [even] better relatively. Some men don't need to do anything to do well with women, some need to do more. Doesn't change the point. At all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 01:49 PM
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They are doing it for themselves...b/c they want to get laid lol. But I also don't think it's too farfetched that some of them actually will come to enjoy sports or going to the gym or form friendships along the way. It's very similar to women and makeup or fashion. It can be a hobby or way to bond with other women but don't say it's all for yourself and you don't care what men think. But to paraphrase Chris Rock "if women were okay with fucking in boxes men wouldn't buy a house."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 03:39 AM
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Does getting rich and ripped not help most men become more successful with women? Assuming basic social skills, I honestly can't think of a single man this wouldn't help, unless they are already very rich and in shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 03:15 AM
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I'm not openly mean to anyone for the most part. Once in a while, IF I were to ever be kind of blunt or short with, or ignore someone, it'd probably be with an attractive woman I assume has a bunch of simps waiting hand and foot on her and I'm sensing an entitled snobby spoiled aura from her. I'm not saying I'm always right in doing this, I'm saying if I'm mean to a woman it's more likely going to be an attractive woman. The exception is if the person is just being mean or nasty and I'm returnin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 01:06 AM
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But then you hear feminists say male involvement is absolutely necessary for the feminist movement in all its iterations to succeed....literally shaming men for not caring or taking an interest in women's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 10:40 PM
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Right, I have nothing but contempt for the shitty incels aiming for violence and drowning in their delusions. I was just saying on the whole there's no reason why a body image positive movement wouldn't help disenfranchised or marginalized men, perceived or real. In fact the body positive movement by default and in name is supposed to include men, but women haven't done a good job of making sure of it. Part of it is on the men for taking part, but part of it kinda isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 10:36 PM
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Just internalized stereotypes I guess. I don't associate someone who owns an AK-47 with someone who can even locate Korea on a map, or someone who's a social butterfly who is well networked, though I do get that he prob owns an older car lol. I also picture such a person as being white, and my mind finds it easy to associate black hair with nonwhite even though obvi there are shit-tons of white people with dark hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 10:04 PM
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You don't think incels would aim to be okay in their own skin and feeling beautiful (or handsome) as they are? I still don't see the difference between these incel men starved of attention and fat women, even though overall fat women may still get more attention than incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:38 PM
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That's such a weird list. I mean not individually, but it's weird seeing them together.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 08:31 PM
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Why do fat women respond to a "fat is beautiful" campaign then when they watch all the thin girls get much more attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 08:09 PM
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I'm not sure how much it would work to convince women that all men are handsome no more than saying 'fat women are beautiful' convinces straight men, but maybe at least everyone would have healthier self esteem lol. Men on average won't have the options to validate any burgeoning entitlement though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 08:07 PM
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Speak for yourself? Sex is important but you give me the choice of sex once a month with someone I truly care about whom I know will always be by my side vs sex multiple times a day with someone I can't stand who might leave at any time I'll gladly take the former even if it isn't ideal. But here I just realize, you probably aren't a man in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 01:26 AM
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The men who say "most average men are attracted to average women" are talking about women who are average in looks. As in the average man finds the average woman cute enough, and also there is the assumption the woman also has other qualities like being kind and caring, either with a good sense of humor or at least receptive to humor, loyal, etc. Most men will commit to a cute enough loyal woman over a hotter woman whom they believe is always in danger of cheating. The fact that she is average l…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 01:19 AM
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Women still voluntarily get with and stay with men they aren't really that attracted to, b/c women prefer to be in relationships, so whatever RP guys or women saying otherwise isn't accurate. Maybe many single women are just true shut-ins you rarely see or meet in public, but from observation remotely well-adjusted single women are rare. Women would rather be alone? Where? Re: dead bedrooms I haven't come across many couples who necessarily admit to not having sex anymore but it's hard to find p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 11:46 PM
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Lolol honest question, when was the last time you argued in good faith here? Or by extension, anywhere else?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 10:00 PM
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One of my favorite things to do is grabbing popcorn to watch radfems and terfs fight with the woke purple haired crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 09:02 PM
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LOLOL are we though? Are you new here?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 09:02 PM
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...Men also want the best available to them. There's just a lot less available. On the flipside it's more confusing to women who is actually 'available' and who is just there to fuck despite having more options and attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 08:08 PM
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Crunchwrap supreme
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 08:04 PM
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Some women believe that when men don't put them up on a pedestal and bow to their superiority that men "hate" them When you're privileged, equality feels like oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 07:52 PM
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Truly an olympic level mental gymnast. Are women brought up from a young age - by their parents, relatives, community leaders, peers, and media - to believe their physical attractiveness - esp in the eyes of men (or the male gaze, if you will) is of utmost importance or not? Are women inundated with advice from like the age of like 6 until forever on how to look better for men or not? Everything else is just fluff, but it seems like people like you are just absolutely intent on dying on this hil…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 07:48 PM
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I doubt very much that men are incapable of determining who is attractive since they have zero trouble developing crushes on attractive girls and women. The point is many men themselves don't believe their own attractiveness is a significant factor in dating success because they aren't taught that it is. Are they stupid for believing it? Irrelevant. It's also possible many straight men don't really concern themselves with appraising other men. Frankly a lot of people male or female are just bad …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 07:32 PM
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Point is whatever OP is saying is just the natural way of things since humans have ever existed. People may have "just married" but their nature caused women to remain deeply unsatisfied and men to cheat rampantly and have mistresses when they could get away with it. Modern society just gives people the ability to let it all hang out and no amount of sociopolitical rebranding or indoctrination is going to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 07:15 PM
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What I mean is just the way men and women are and how they act from a natural tendency standpoint. Men will always be naturally competing as the proactive initiators and women will be the picky ones doing the selecting. All of this has very little to do with the institution of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 07:06 PM
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It's been the case for all of humanity and will continue to be the case forever. It's just recent trends dictating otherwise that somehow the way men and women are is due to socialization - Everything is a social construct! - and how we were raised. Thus men and women growing up esp the younger generations are unsurprisingly confused and going through shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 07:01 PM
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Yeah no kidding, if you have a good face or good genetics you will always have that as an advantage and there are some things grooming or the gym won't fix. That doesn't mean lifting or improving style won't help the vast, vast majority of men. Also, I like how you somehow assume lifting means acquiring a roided out physique that repulses most women. If a 5/10 tries to improve his looks he will absolutely have more dating success even if he may not ever enjoy the success of a guy with a natural …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 06:38 PM
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Obviously it isn't b/c so many men don't know it. If you want to take away the blame or responsibility from everyone who has socialized these men and just say the majority of men are just slow and stupid, that doesn't change the fact that we don't give looks advice to men who obviously need it, much less the mediocre ones who could still use it. We are dishonest and beating around the bush, and disingenuous when we say we want to help them, as a society. It's also not that obvious that women pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 06:30 PM
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I'm thinking most people aren't on a fairly niche debate sub to make friends or socialize, in addition to people just naturally being more likely to comment when they have a complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 06:04 PM
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I don't see how you're disagreeing with me. Average men need to become above average physically and most men potentially can relatively because there are so many complacent men clueless about how much looks matter. The skinny-fat unremarkable dude with the yee-yee haircut and zero fashion sense needs looks advice too, not just fat basement-dwelling neckbeards. Honestly you guys keep saying "it's common sense it's common sense" but that shit isn't even relevant since it's obvious so many men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 06:01 PM
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Nobody feels the need to speak up when they're happy about something, esp on a debate sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 05:52 PM
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Paraphrasing Chris Rock once again, women can't go back in terms of lifestyle. Whatever her ex(es) provided for her or spoiled her with, that's the bar you're going to be held to, or higher. If not, you'll be constantly resented for it and if for some reason she decides to stay with you trust you're just a temporary placeholder until she finds someone who can give her more than what her exes could. Or she can't find anyone and your relationship will just be tinged with this hanging over your hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 05:33 PM
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I'd say the spark is still necessary and a thing but you gotta have the looks first, and most women/people when dispensing dating advice or talking about dating basically talk like the looks threshold doesn't exist. I've gathered a lot of people will say "Yeah everybody knows looks matter" to counter RP or BP points. Then when you ask them why they don't ever bring up looks or looksmaxxing when giving advice to friends struggling with dating, they go "Well b/c you know it's so common sense, no n…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 05:25 PM
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I would say a lot of women aren't necessarily completely in agreement with feminist ideology but it's mainstream enough that there's a good chance they agree or adopt some or a lot of it. What I've seen is online discussions and debate don't reflect real-life. Most people aren't nearly as opinionated or polarized or care as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 12:25 AM
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Toxic masculinity has basically just become any masculine ideas or behavior - or basically any behavior from men - that feminists dislike.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 11:39 PM
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There are definitely Redpillers who believe a lifelong wife is possible as many are traditionally minded - often to the disdain of other RP guys who label them as tradcucks. The problem is according to RP if you aren't naturally the type of guy who maintains attractiveness to women (or you practice RP enough that it becomes you) you're basically just working to maintain frame your entire life. It's up to the man then whether it's worth it for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 11:20 PM
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LOL if you need to meet a looks threshold first looks is more crucial by default. It's like saying in life after food and water aren't an issue, relationships and self-fulfillment are more important than food and water. Well yes, but no. I'll concede the looks bar isn't necessarily that high for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 08:51 PM
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Toxic masculinity works to get women and is only 2nd to normal or positive masculinity, assuming the women aren't fucked up and actively seeking toxic men. As long as this is the case, alongside women going "We like what we like, sorry", there will be an abundance of toxically masculine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 07:25 PM
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I know single women exist from stats. Just personally, I haven't noticed many, if any, among those who are relatively socially well-adjusted. My guess is people who are having trouble with dating and complaining about it or the opp sex are going to be self-selected online. I know more women than men but I feel like most men aren't single either, although maybe there are slightly more single men than women in my pool. I don't know everyone but I'm not seeing this wave of "staying single" on the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 10:56 PM
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I dunno, I'm trying to think of the older (over 30-35) women I know and most of them aren't single either - honestly can't think of one at the moment. I guess I just don't see this giant wave of women opting out because they think men are trash. Either they are finding what they want or they're willing to lower their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 07:39 PM
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Chronically single women are rare as fuck...I don't really know where this "so many women are content to remain single" idea comes from. This isn't even in support of any pill or side, it's just a very obvious thing you can glean from observation. Maybe it's just my social network or demographic and region. Either women are settling or they fully embrace and like at least some of the men in their pool of options. Women actively want and desire relationships and the men don't have to be anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 07:27 PM
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I know a lot of women and I can count the number of single women on one hand, and out of these probably all of them but like 1 are single only temporarily. Women are obviously at least settling. Although it's true the weird and single people are going to be over-represented online and on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 07:23 PM
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To piggyback off this, is a woman with a lot of male friends the same (or similar) as a man with a lot of female friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 07:15 PM
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Aside from just the proactiveness of trying to look better for whatever reason a lot of men are also just delusional about what looks good. Men 20-30 lbs overweight look in the mirror and think they look fine or strong and are afraid to diet b/c they'll get 'too skinny' or that it's weak and unmanly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:24 AM
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I mean makeup and surgery actually does increase a woman's value b/c it's enough to trick more men into wanting to fuck, date or wife her up. Many men's lizard brains are so strong they literally don't care if she looks hot just b/c of war paint. You can call these men losers but there's enough of them that it's undeniable her SMV benefits greatly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:20 AM
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No they wouldn't. There are some super shallow women out there who just need the absolute best man to show off to her friends, but if all men looked like Brad Pitt most women would just be happy it's raining hot guys every day and whomever they choose for a relationship they win b/c the guy's gonna be hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:17 AM
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There are many ways to improve your looks for men, before you talk about drastic measures like surgery there's weight loss/cutting, lifting, grooming, skincare. It's not going to make EVERY guy into a straight up Chad but it improves his chances with women significantly. The vast majority of men I see walking around have not even tapped into a fraction of their looks potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:14 AM
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There are way more trans-men who pass well than trans-women. Because of the innate striking effect, good or bad, of masculine features, many trans-women just look off, and if somehow you get past that the voice is often a dead giveaway. For trans-men, worst-case scenario they just look soft and babyfaced.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:04 AM
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I've seen women disagree with women here. I wouldn't say it's very common but it's not rare at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:00 AM
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Despite the obvious that there are shitty people of all levels of attractiveness, the idea is that men with less options are more likely to treat women well because they know they can't easily find another one so they don't take things for granted. OP seems to have 2 trains of thought going...one is that a man's loyalty is worth little b/c his lack of options infer low value, and the other is that they are just as likely to mistreat women or be disloyal. So which one is it? Looks like OP just wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 08:07 PM
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Actually, depending on the woman, I might agree. But less than 1% of men who are 5'11-6 and 185 lbs are going to have his body composition in Troy. 99% of men at that ht/wt proportion are chubby and soft. In contrast these same men would be a lot more appealing to women if they were lighter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 12:20 AM
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They might go for one if he's masculine esp in more rural country areas b/c they are still drawn to more masculine men and it's not hard to be more masculine than a skinny hipster sissy, but compared to a guy with Brad Pitt Fight Club's dimensions (5'11' 155 but very toned), nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 10:48 PM
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Yeah but that's not what I'm talking about or promoting. White skinny hipsters have usually little muscle tone and look terrible. You can be 5'9" and only 150 or even less and look good and athletic. That's the type women go for, not chubby men who spend a couple days in the gym a week and think they need to get even bigger and not pale stringbeans in skinny jeans.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 10:11 PM
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big american city, upper middle class whitebread af annoying hipster area
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:53 PM
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I don't know why people keep bringing up this comparison. Yeah women are constantly on edge because of a very small percentage of potentially violent men, I get it. That doesn't mean men don't go through severe approach anxiety or crippling internal issues. The reflexive response to men saying they are afraid to approach and talking about how bad their dating lives are is "yeah but at least you don't have to worry about dying"? You might as well just use this as a response to anything then. "Wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:01 PM
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Whereabouts do you live man? Geebus I've heard jokes about how that is probably considered skinny in like a rural walmart area.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 08:52 PM
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That's prob why so many esp american men think women are only going for the top 1%. They're chubby potatoes and somehow think they still need to gain weight in fears of being too scrawny. "Gotta get bigger, women must think I look like a beta"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 08:46 PM
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Hahaha oh mann
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:48 PM
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What's wrong with the lower half of your face?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 07:23 AM
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I think especially in the west there's this fear among men not to get "too skinny", "bulk up get jacked" etc when in reality the ideal is leaner or slighter than they think. Obviously you don't want to be a twig but most chubby dad-bodded men won't ever have to worry about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 03:56 AM
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Looks obviously made it easier to be liked/accepted and popular but there were so many quiet awkward wallflowers with decent to good looks and so many popular people with mediocre looks that it's hard for me to ever conclude that looks was ever the #1 determining factor. Granted other things mattered too like style or dress. Some of the less popular people, even if 'goodlooking', often dressed like slobs or made questionable or unconventional fashion choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 12:24 AM
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There are countless examples of skinny dirty looking men getting women from playing the guitar or from being in a band. It still works, even if bulking up works better, and having a goodlooking face even moreso. But the lesson here is if women want you for any of these reasons it's still going to be fleeting and shallow. There's always more goodlooking guys, more talented guys, more jacked guys, and people nowadays have zero attention span and are always lookin for the next best thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:13 PM
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The guys most popular and successful with women in college or back in school were the most socially extroverted and uninhibited, but not to the point of being criminal or getting into major trouble like expulsion. Some of them were goodlooking sure, but that wasn't universal. Obviously women notice attractive men but it takes follow-through after a certain threshold is passed to yield meaningful results. A decently average dude with great networking will dance circles around a quiet awkward attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:57 PM
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I feel like single women are fairly rare among healthier well-adjusted demographics. Most women are in relationships or are just temporarily and briefly in between them. Since most bfs are not Chads, on the one hand contrary to what a lot of men say here women may not be as picky as they say. But also a lot of this "we refuse to settle, we'd rather be cat women than date inferior men, sorry" we hear from women here is also false. Obviously women are settling and prefer to be in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:50 PM
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It absolutely does matter, since he would do much better with women than if he didn't get in shape or play the guitar. It's irrelevant that a talentless dirtbag Chad might do better. It may be disheartening and unfair, but if the goal is to increase success with women there's value in pursuing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:45 PM
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5'9 168 is borderline chubby (unless you are obviously mostly muscle) and you may not be fat, but unless your face is an 8+ or you have something else extremely remarkable about you most women will find you invisible. Take this as encouragement that you have a lot of room to increase your physical attractiveness via fitness so if you do "ok" now you will probably do at least good later. Edit: Also this is both encouraging and depressing, but ofc if your friends are 'hotter' women will notice the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:16 PM
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Judging from the women in my life and social circles not every guy to them is either a Danny Devito (0/10) or a Chris Hemsworth (10/10, according to your standards). People are capable of finding attractive things about 5s and 6s, male or female. Non-physical traits and other factors can also make someone 'hotter', unless every woman who has ever said this is lying. OP is saying by extension women who are 5s should find male 5s and learn to appreciate their physical qualities, and not get wrappe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 04:53 AM
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Pretty disingenuous to use those two polar opposites as examples, yeah? There was never a time when even as an impressionable straight man looking to emulate examples did I find Danny DeVito to be goodlooking, but I will say I would have never looked twice at these muscular white celebrities deemed attractive by the western public until all my peers and all the articles I read started pushing me that way. This includes Chris Hemsworth, Brad Pitt, Matt Bomer, Henry Cavill, Jon Hamm. Jason Momoa, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 04:21 AM
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The women who caught my eye a few years back barely do now and the women I didn't notice at all I notice a lot more now, because my tastes have changed. They've changed many times. I'm talking facial features, hair color, body type, proportions, and race. It also goes without saying my "ideal" is also very different. I've noticed my preferences often align with what is familiar and the social circles and demographics I am constantly around during different phases of life. I'd like to think that …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 04:08 AM
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I get all that. It becomes hypocritical when people start to choose the parts of biological reality that work in their favor as okay and calling for change for the parts that are not, with some things being more understandable (eg making the murder of other fathers' offspring illegal).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:51 PM
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I have to admit for all that men complain about how easy women have it, outside of very mentally ill incel circles it's hard to find a man who honestly would choose to be born a woman if given the choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:46 PM
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Speaking only for myself but also from what I've read and heard, preferences are absolutely subject to change based on exposure and many other factors. My idea of a perfect 10 many years ago would be invisible now and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:39 PM
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I think a lot of what people are attracted to is based on problematic ideals and views, myself included. To reiterate I don't see why dating preferences is somehow this sacred protected thing when we literally are out for blood when talking about how others think about so many other issues and things in the world. For the record and the rest of your comment, honestly I might even agree that women aren't as entitled as men complain, because I don't really see many women staying single. It also te…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:37 PM
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What people find attractive and hot is based on a lot of things that aren't entirely biological. There's a lot of discussion about politics, media, socialization, cultural trends. It's inaccurate to deny the significance of these factors so why do people have a problem when some men want to talk about how it works against them? I don't know how else to put it. "If you hot you hot if you not you not" is dismissive oversimplification.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:28 PM
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Lol then comment about why the OP's argument isn't compelling. But you can always default to "sorry either they are attracted or they aren't" as your wild card, you've made that clear. I don't care as much about the specifics of the looksmatch argument as I do the hypocritical dismissiveness, but you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:20 PM
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Either they are racist misogynists or they aren't. That doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about racism or misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:07 PM
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It's one thing to say "women's standards shouldn't change" and honestly believe it, and another to say "Women want what they want, that's it." Many of the people who say the latter, "you can't force women to want what they don't want" are the first ones trying to force men to want what they don't want. Advocates for women are the first to cite the power of socialization and environment in determining the problematic sexism, misogyny, and standards on the part of men. But somehow socialization an…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:58 PM
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And I agree it's fine, even necessary, to talk about men who hurt or kill women due to their anger and entitlement. Just like it's fine for people to talk about it if they think women are entitled or that their standards are delusional and wrong (or not). This is different from simply saying 'you can't force attraction, what's there to talk about'. Because clearly, we are constantly trying to change what men want and are attracted to. There are articles and conversation everywhere talking about …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:50 PM
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Nobody is advocating that we FORCE anyone to do anything. LOL We aren't going to be locking people up who put "whites only" on their dating profiles. I'm just talking about this knee-jerk reaction of "people like what they like" when obviously it's not as simple as that. It's a self-serving dishonest reaction to men who complain about women's preferences in the modern age. As if dialogue about women's entitlement or preferences is off limits and is pointless or should be shut down. God knows dia…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:37 PM
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A lot of people dislike black people because of problematic ideas. The solution has been to do away with these ideas and change how people think about black people. Nobody bats an eye at this - rightfully, yet somehow we don't think that this should apply to dating preferences - including racial dating preferences - which are largely shaped by engrained societal ideals as well. We also seem to do a lot of policing on how entitled men are and how problematic their thinking is toward women, but so…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:26 PM
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I'm saying the argument that people are just going to think what they think and want what they want is lazy and disingenuous. If you don't think women are entitled or that their preferences are problematic, argue that. Preferences are largely shaped and dictated by society and exposure even if innate biology is also heavily involved. Society isn't okay with male entitlement or misogynistic perspectives, voices and dialogue criticizing men for what they think of women are basically ubiquitous, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:21 PM
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Do you believe that in 1950, when very few white people wanted to date a black person b/c they were racist or had white supremacist standards, and were actually opposed to it legally, it was okay to say 'you can't force people to date or fuck who they don't want to date or fuck'?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:13 PM
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And we can't force people to not be sexist or racist pieces of shit right? So why try to start dialogue about problematic beliefs, bigoted narcissistic entitled attitudes, etc. People believe what they believe and want what they want, sorry. Again the supreme arrogance and delusion that somehow a woman's dating preferences and entitlement exist in a protected justified social vacuum while we try to change everything about how men think and what men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:09 PM
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I read a pretty good post a long time ago in another sub making the case that it's not really that simple or cut and dry that the trigger happy rednecks and conservatives in the south would simply be obliterated by the US military with their comparative peashooters. The OP cited the sheer amount of social connections and associations of those in law enforcement, the military, and other echelons of government with the families and social fabric of the aforementioned family and communities leading…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:47 PM
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Being fat is merely one of the most visible manifestations of inner turmoil or failure, so it gets a lot of judgment and hate. When we see someone who's fat and often entitled or mentally ill acting we say "look at all these entitled fat fucks" when really it's the reverse they were fucked up to begin with with major issues, which is why they let themselves go. At the very least, they have a lot going on in their lives so going to the gym or watching what they eat is low on their list of priorit…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:42 PM
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Yes, it's always a good idea to do your best to ngaf and focus on self-improvement. That doesn't mean cultural prescriptions and movements that shit on or shame men (or any group) indiscriminately should be tolerated, especially when hypocrisy is heavily involved, as these things have real legal and cultural ramifications in the long term. It's possible to be concerned with individual responsibility and health as well as sociopolitical trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 08:02 PM
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Chris Pratt is the go-to guy when people want to dig for an example of a fat guy who is deemed attractive. First of all, he aint that fat even though he is/was overweight. He's also tall, white, and famous with a conventionally attractive face.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:32 PM
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....not sure you got the point. I wasn't keeping score, merely saying most people advocating body positivity don't extend the same to men, which is hypocritical. My personal honest opinion is that body positivity is harmful to both men and women healthwise, aside from the basic adage of treating everyone with a baseline level of respect. Otherwise, being overweight should not be praised or encouraged.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:24 PM
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You'd think then that men would be the ones needing the body positivity movement more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 05:58 PM
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It is obvious but the point is it's not acknowledged by society at large because people who spout body positivity constantly shame men and only men for not finding fat women attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 05:56 PM
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What has the one to do with the other? Those women can also be predatory. So when was the last time you heard someone complain or bring up predatory women when the Passport Bro discussion comes up?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:53 PM
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Echoing the thoughts of a guy below, women are obviously not happier single when most women are in relationships or choosing to stay in them and most of the minority of women who are single are actively looking for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:48 PM
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It's more like women are more likely to shun men they secretly may find attractive in some ways but they don't fit the conventional mold or the type that their friends, cliques, or social circles would approve of. This combined with the sheer amount of options, and they just find it easy to automatically move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:25 PM
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It's true. Height and build/frame matter the most. I see a lot of top-tier women with guys who are just tall but with meh faces. If she happens to be both very picky and also with high SMV, she'll place more weight on the face too, but only if he's tall and well connected first.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 08:09 PM
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Common skincare advice everywhere says on sunny days you need at least SPF30 ideally with UVA broad spectrum protection. They also say a t-shirt provides SPF5 protection at most. I've always found this hard to believe since I have never ever worn sunscreen/block on an area of skin that was already under clothing even as thin or flimsy as a t-shirt and I've never gotten burned in those areas, and I am light skinned.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:37 AM
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Just more feral low-class femcel/FDS/twoxchromosomes logic due to mental illness : "Get your game up, billionaires are incredibly sexy and where it's at. If you aren't at least making 7 figures you aint it" but "LOL these ugly billionaires think a woman will like them when they just want their money. 10/10 model gigachad or death" "Women are naturally drawn to providers, providers and rich men are sexy af, too bad for the rest of you peasant moids" but "Men who date younger women are predators"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:12 AM
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My friend said she likes watching it b/c it's almost like a train wreck where you are morbidly curious and can't look away. I personally feel guilty watching stuff like that...I know obviously they have given consent to be filmed but it's the idea of being entertained or at least purposefully preoccupied and distracted - by the drama of someone's suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 10:07 PM
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Modern society is set up in a way that keeps men (and people) numb and satiated but still deeply unsatisfied and unhappy. Especially the younger generations of men grow up terminally online with stunted social development, with little to no experience and confidence in talking to women. They desire women but it's too difficult to move out of the comfort zone because porn is just a click away. Add onto this a lot of undiagnosed mental illness and deviations men aren't socialized to accept much le…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:54 PM
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One day you're on top of the world and next day you aren't. But that's show business baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 11:51 PM
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It's weird that I don't get the same feeling with other actors, many of whom are also overrated and even the acclaimed ones known for good acting play just variations of the same character in every movie. Maybe with the exception of Gary Oldman, Philip Seymour Hoffman, or a younger guy, Tom Hardy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 11:39 PM
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I have a very hard time taking him seriously and I don't know why, it might be b/c he still kinda looks like a kid. He obviously tries pretty hard, but there's something about his acting that still feels like he's playing pretend.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 11:11 PM
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Who took his spot?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 11:00 PM
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So basically you like the phenotype but you don't like how shallow and sleazy Leo is. I can't really comment as a straight guy...although Hoffman is a good actor (RIP) and Black is funny. I know nothing about Hirsch except that he exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 10:36 PM
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I think it's the round pinched faces and squinty eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 10:27 PM
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Leonardo DiCaprio, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Jack Black, and Emile Hirsch all look the same look like the same person in different stages of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 10:01 PM
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Again, this is why very successful men are fine with a no-name model he hopefully also genuinely likes. And why Beyonce can't quit Jay-Z. It's going to be hard if not impossible to replace someone of his status and level - especially in his genre and with his image - despite the fact that she could have harems of younger good-looking guys willing to commit in seconds. Apparently in her current situation she can't just "have another you in a minute".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 09:49 PM
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Okay but I don't know why so many women are answering with "I look like _____________ so I'm not intimidating". Because physical appearance is not at all why men would be afraid of women as implied in the OP. It's not like the opposite where a man's physical appearance matters more with perception since the fear of men is a lot more related to potential physical violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 08:39 AM
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It largely depends on why they are supposedly losers. Dorky white men do WAY better in Asia than they otherwise would in western countries. Many women there literally cannot tell the difference between a regular Joe Schmoe and a white movie star. Blame it on ignorance, different beauty standards (paleness, thin frames do well there), imperialism, or whatever. But the idea that the experience is the same over there for these men is ludicrous. The idea that a more traditionally-minded society woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 12:09 AM
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Again, you talk about how the men you observe who travel to another country from the west to meet women are losers, and I'm saying even if you're absolutely right that doesn't mean passport bros are wrong in their reasons for looking abroad. I assume making a valid criticism of passport bros is your goal unless you're just randomly venting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 11:52 PM
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Even if all the things you say about men abroad are true - and I do believe you're accurate on a lot of it - you aren't making any valid points against looking for women overseas. If you're going to engage in debate you'll need to attack the passport bros' points of criticism against modern western culture, progressive ideology(s), feminism and the like. People who support passport bros would argue that even the successful well-adjusted men who do fine/well dating in their own respective western…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 11:21 PM
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Another way to think about it, there's only one reason why a man would ever lie and say he's shorter than he is, and that's to test if the woman likes him for what he wants to be appreciated for (maybe personality, accomplishments, etc.) like the billionaire who pretends to be poor and then gives the woman everything after she falls for him and treats him well despite thinking he's poor. There might be some women who don't like the fact that the man is testing them, but again, it's almost an abs…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:43 PM
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Isn't it just relative? Granted society is different and social media has complicated things, but while the acceptable height is taller now than before, the average man is also taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 08:38 PM
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you will never make more than 60-70k a year Slightly hyperbolic but that's basically minimum wage in a major city. Not sure why you think most men won't surpass this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 08:32 PM
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You can negotiate attraction as biology is only part of the equation. That's why a lot of women say they didn't find their SOs attractive until later. Also over time standards can change if there is enough social push for them to change. People are always trying to market certain things as attractive over others (race, body type, features) for a reason, and that's b/c if you're successful in the long run it works. Whether you agree with it or not it's possible also to engineer society to not onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:14 AM
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There was a study that showed women exhibited more empathy across the board than men...except when it comes to relationships and dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:27 AM
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Social media and dating apps have made people pickier sure, but a man's height has always been important.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:31 PM
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Aside from looks, many other things contribute to attraction or lack thereof in a relationship. Stress levels from work, family or friends, dividing of chores or childcare, attitude, financial issues, communication, mental health or addiction, schedule conflicts, to name a few. When everything influences attraction the entire discussion becomes moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:49 PM
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I'd say status comes first even though money is often tied to status. A comment I read a long time ago made a lot of sense. There's a reason why Beyonce is still with Jay Z, even after he cheated on her. Because status-wise he's unparalleled and at the very top in his category. A woman who leaves Jay Z has very limited desirable options in her eyes unless she wants to date down comparatively, which is unthinkable for them. Beyonce could easily find a younger better looking man in a heartbeat, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 04:59 PM
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Sure, but how bad is the wall anyway if they still have it better opportunity-wise than most men in their prime lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 04:59 AM
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Worse as in from an absolute standpoint divorce is more likely to happen to a man who marries vs a woman being likely to be raped in her lifetime. But sure, since 1 in 6 women will experience some form of rape I admit I used "worse" a bit too flippantly there. It is definitely not socially accepted for women to entirely reject men as even friendly acquaintances. The only rape it’s socially acceptable to protect yourself from is the stranger in a dark alley. Different observations then. For at le…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 04:35 AM
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The SMV for women diminishes as they get older, but whether you can call this a 'wall' or not is moot. Because they will still have it easier than men out of their league (objectively speaking) well into their 40s, again assuming they are still putting in effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 04:16 AM
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I didn't compare them side by side, comparing the trauma and fallout from rape vs a shitty marriage is moot here. I pointed out the double standard that women are encouraged in the context of social discourse to exercise caution to a statistically backed fear whereas men are not and instead are called paranoid or problematic misogynists. Whereas the surest way to not get raped is to not unnecessarily associate with men, since you’re at the highest risk from men you know. The surest way of not ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:45 AM
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Even if women are less attractive in their 30s or 40s they have it so much easier than men in dating that a 40 year old woman who takes good care of herself still has significantly more prospects than an average or even slightly above average guy in his 20s or 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:28 AM
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Must be convenient to reduce marriage to 'splitting your wealth with a partner' with the best of assumptions. You compare an idealistic default of marriage with a universal evil (rape). How disingenuous is this? If marriage always - or even usually - resulted in wealth being evenly split forever alongside a partner equally invested in joint wealth and happiness men would not be scared of marriage. Sure thing, we can ignore the potential trauma, depression, conflict and resentment, court costs, c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:15 AM
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Well I can only speak for myself but the thing I read was supposed to be true for anyone. It applies to me at least. Probably happens when we get too emotionally or psychologically invested in the biases or standards society tells us to follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 12:14 AM
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I think more importantly people are bad at it even to themselves, so it's not out of anything like dishonesty. For example I've consciously "known" inside that I like smaller or straight noses on women but when I see head turners the nose has almost zero to do with anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:32 PM
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I said this in another comment earlier but a very good point that was made in an article I read many years back is what we write down and consciously say we want (physically) in a partner is often very different from what actually catches our eye. And/or you may very well like the traits you say you do but you'd be surprised what else turns your head. This also can apply to the rest of the iceberg with the non-physical desired traits when looking for a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 10:03 PM
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So long as you're willing to admit that therefore truth is irrelevant to you and what matters most is having your feelings validated Hmm. No. But whatever puts you at ease.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 09:58 PM
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The excuse of cognitive dissonance and still being vulnerable to social influence only goes so far. I see it in so many people, often the ones who are the most annoying and outspoken about pushing their political bs onto others. You can say the amount of religious leaders being outed as closeted gays, child molesters, abortion clients, and porn enthusiasts doesn't technically disprove or hurt their scripture-based arguments against gay marriage, abortion, and all sorts of depravity but somehow I…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 09:43 PM
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Their hypocrisy confirms to those who already disagree with them that their beliefs are either untrue or a lie. For example, are gender or beauty norms really socially constructed to oppress when many women who constantly say they question these norms choose conventionally attractive and traditionally masculine men? Not to mention again condescension about how they are more tolerant and enlightened. It's a two for one, they are both wrong, and also hypocrites. I have my reasons for thinking prog…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:21 PM
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LOL all the women again talking about "well actually a lot of thin women don't have the natural genetics for thiccness or big boobs". Again it doesn't matter, because the basic ass skinny white woman is attractive and fuckable enough for most men. Doesn't even need to be skinny at all and can even be flabby or a little chubby depending on the area/neighborhood and the standards. Maybe this is on the men, who are also biologically programmed to have low standards? But don't act like it's an equal…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:36 PM
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B/c men hear what women say they are attracted to and see another. There's also the possibility a lot of women might just be unconsciously unsure of what they want but are just saying out loud what seems safe or acceptable. Saying men are trying to dictate to women what they like is oversimplifying if not disingenuous. I'll try to be fair and say it can be true of men too. There's a lot going on socially and internally with preferences, and we can write down on paper quickly things we are attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:28 PM
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I'll just say once again that it's funny women are allowed to assume all men are shitty to be safe b/c a small percentage of men are potential creeps/rapists/murderers but men are gaslit and accused of being misogynistic or brainwashed by the manosphere when they worry about their life being ruined by marriage when the statistics are much higher and worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:24 PM
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It's a progressive liberal thing. Blame the system and corporations, it's not the fault of the poor or homeless, it's not the fault of women, blame men. It's the fault of white people. All this usually from white people who only know white people, are all about helping the homeless or minorities until these homeless or minorities move into their precious neighborhoods, or they lecture people about gentrification as they move into lower income neighborhoods for lower rent. Also, progressive women…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 12:15 AM
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Not sure if trolling. Even the blackest of blackpillers believe looksmaxxing works to a degree. Especially if you're starting as a fat dirty neckbeard.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 02:15 AM
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It doesn't work for most men because most men who try RP are the type to fail and fail hard. They are the socially awkward or neurotic types who will never pull off RP prescriptions convincingly. It's not even about looks necessarily since improving looks is relatively simple in comparison to acquiring natural social proficiency.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 11:04 PM
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In all seriousness I don't know why mainstream news outlets have to tiptoe around the fact that women like men who look good. You and me both. But my point is that the do tiptoe around it. All of them. Young men go out of their way to seek out things like the RP or find shitty toxic male role models in some corner of the internet for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:52 PM
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LOL forget it hope you're ok
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:49 PM
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Except that I imagine these articles dispensing advice are written by a lot of people, both male or female. It's simply taboo to be blunt and shallow when giving men dating advice. The result is lists of things like "have empathy" "make her feel safe" "be more caring". For the record it's not that these are bad, it's that for most men struggling, these aren't the things they need to worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:44 PM
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Then why don't these articles speculate on this? That maybe they don't even have the looks to get in the door? Plenty of area to cover there including grooming or styling advice, fitness advice. Instead it goes to things that will not take a man remotely as far, like being kind or having empathy - unless you get in the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:41 PM
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....I'm not following. Explain why mediocre to subpar looking men wouldn't be in need of looks advice again? As in if looks is a main reason they are struggling with dating why wouldn't articles be addressing this first and foremost?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:39 PM
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Right.....which makes advice on improving looks all the more valuable, wouldn't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:32 PM
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first result that popped up re: dating advice, with others on the same page being similar https://www.telegraph.co.uk/online-dating/dating-tips/dating-advice-for-men/ Looks not even mentioned once. Again, show me literally any bluepilled source that says looks are #1.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:27 PM
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It's funny you mention "Be attractive, don't be unattractive". It's literally a very common retort by red or blackpilled men in response to any bluepilled narrative that tries to overcomplicate dating and attraction. I have never ever heard bluepillers or people in real life say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:15 PM
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Is it mainstream and common sense that looks matter a lot in dating? Here is the first google result for "dating advice for men". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/online-dating/dating-tips/dating-advice-for-men/ And here is one for "advice for men struggling with dating" https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/a-must-read-for-men-who-have-struggled-with-dating/ I don't even see a single reference to looks. And literally the first bullet point for the 2nd link for "men struggling with dating" is "…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:12 PM
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I don't know how fucked up or low your standards are to think the apex members of society are necessarily attractive. Billionaires, politicians, olympic athletes? It's laughable you think bluepill knows that looks matter most. Find me one single piece of bluepill dating advice literally anywhere that tells men to improve and prioritize their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:58 PM
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Lol bc they are taught it works. By their mothers and teachers and friends and movies. Every guy struggling with dating needs to be told to looksmax, social network and at least fake like they don't give a fuck until they make it. Society will never be this blunt and instead will keep telling men to be more responsible and caring future husbands first and foremost b/c it needs well-behaved men to keep their head down and wage slave for it to keep running.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:54 PM
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The sheer amount of men who remain blue-pilled and still think looks don't matter in their 20s disproves your point. Either that or being stupid, slow, and bluepilled is normal. Doesn't change the fact they were lied to and continue to be lied to, and are blamed and ridiculed by the people who did the lying. My honest experience is that the kids most popular in school or got the most girls were the most rebellious or athletic ones. I'm sure being fashionable or better looking helped but there wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:48 PM
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There's always someone desperate or depraved enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:43 PM
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If society (mothers, sisters, female friends, male friends, teachers) teaches men one thing they shouldn't blame men for believing what they are taught. On a side note it's obvious that women have much lower looks requirements for commitment or marriage otherwise you wouldn't see so many fat schlubby married guys (even young ones).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:41 PM
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Those actually sound more like redpill talking points - ie social circle and networking game, be flirtatious and direct with what you want, act like you don't give a fuck [about approval or validation] etc. At the very least various RP sources have more detailed outlines of how to go about improving in the ways you described. The blue-pill is honestly just fairly dismissive with broad generalizations. "Well, maybe you just need to join a club. Just be confident bro."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:34 PM
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Another thing men complain about is being shamed for not wanting Chad's leftovers looking for a wallet to settle down. "Real men date single moms" "Real men don't care about body count"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:30 PM
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Becauuuuuse for the 92879705th time we tell men that if they aren't as successful as Chad they're doing something wrong and give bullshit advice like get a haircut dress better start respecting women more. If society were more honest and like "Yeah you ain't Chad, that's why, but it's not your fault, you a good dude" instead of "tOxIc MaScUlInIty" and feminist platitudes then guaranteed you'd have a lot less men complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:10 PM
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B/c frankly regardless of what anyone says, porn is a visual medium geared mainly toward men - especially straight sex scenes. The average man wants to see himself portrayed in these movies. On the flipside there's a reason why most men would rather watch porn than read literotica.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 08:57 PM
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Evolution. Women are drawn to the meanest toughest most respected and feared guys possible without putting their lives or social standing in danger.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 08:54 PM
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That's b/c goodlooking men are rarer than goodlooking women, but the goodlooking men are more physically impressive. The bar for what is considered an attractive woman is also just lower. It's mainly don't be fat, and hopefully she has some curves also. Men need to have the good face, sculpted body, height, and such. Masculine features are also risky and more striking than feminine ones, so sometimes they work against the guy but when they work for the guy they really work for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:10 AM
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Of course if you're really old or you have a very ugly face it's going to make it harder no matter what your body looks like. But as a general rule of thumb, for the average woman, or for most women (with at least regular faces and average age), being skinny makes them attractive enough to a lot of - if not most - men for sex as well as for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:04 AM
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Musk is only slow and compared to a fridge b/c he's fat and out of shape. Zuckerberg seems all maxed out and Musk hasn't even started to train. If there's any advantage it's b/c Musk is lazy or overconfident. No reason for Musk not to get much much faster and stronger if he devotes himself. He has 6 inches and 50 pounds on Zuckerberg and he's nowhere near the point where his inherent size would actually hinder him if he applied himself long-term. Maybe Zuckerberg would come out on top, I dunno, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 07:56 PM
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I'd say probably not, but people have been talking in theoreticals about it for a while now.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 03:12 AM
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Musk looks to me like someone who gains strength easily given he devotes himself to a regimen. Not sure how long it would take to get strong enough to matter though. Where is this assumption that Musk is this hopeless weakling coming from, I don't get it. I don't think Zuckerberg is young enough (or Musk old enough) for the age to make that much of a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 03:12 AM
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Ok good to know. I don't know much about bjj.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:48 AM
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So would you say that skill would severely override any innate physical disadvantages, at least with respect to bjj? From what I understand it's a pretty big difference...Zuck is like 5'7" despite having obtained a decent amount of mass just by training and being fit, but Musk is 6'1" and naturally built like a tank.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:44 AM
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Has anyone been following or caring about the whole Elon Musk vs Mark Zuckerberg thing? I feel like Elon is the popular guy to hate because of probably a lot of reasons but I'm not buying that he's just some weak fat fuck who will be easy pickings for Zuckerberg. Genetically seems like Musk has natural height, size and frame. Even being fat it wouldn't be that surprising that he also has a good amount of muscle underneath and has a higher bar for potential than Zuckerberg, who is naturally small…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:38 AM
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Different experiences and observations for me, but that's fucked up too then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 03:39 AM
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And you'd still have a lot more value than your male counterpart. Bruh.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 03:38 AM
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My friends value me, sure. That's what I mean by 'society at large'. Society at large won't value you as a woman unless you're pretty (enough). It won't value me as a man unless I provide or am useful (enough). Not everyone is like this, but enough that, as you say, is a societal problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 03:36 AM
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Are they? I think only after you have proven yourself as a man to be a good protector and provider will people come to like you. If a man hasn't proven himself, or comes across as someone who isn't shit with zero accomplishments, he is invisible at best if not ridiculed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 03:19 AM
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The difference is they don't need to provide sex before they are valued. Nobody values men for their hypothetical accomplishments and utility. The same way we value children. B/c we see them as the future of humanity. We value children before they start paying taxes and inventing things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 03:14 AM
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Well no, because the man still has to actually become a leader and lead. A woman can just go out in public and her beauty is on display. I think both of the ways we tend to value women and men are fucked up. If you're a man for example, you'd be respected if you become a leader, but why can't you just be respected for being you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 03:09 AM
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Pretty women have more female privilege than regular women. Regular women still have privilege b/c they are regarded as pretty enough by many men. It's not an all or nothing. That's why regular to slightly above average women have basically as many dating opportunities as top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 03:01 AM
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That's what I mean when I say perhaps at least leadership is something that our society respects, whereas beauty is not as respected. But b/c of the grass is greener thing a lot of men crave for that inherent value and women would like to be seen and respected for their leadership skills instead of, as you say, being labeled bossy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:57 AM
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The bar to be "attractive enough" to be valued inherently by society for women is low. People are just going "Okayyy but a woman isn't going to be loved unconditionally if she doesn't shower, snarls at people and weighs 500 pounds". Honestly it doesn't even matter if a woman is conventionally pretty at all. If she's just a normal member of society she's still given priority, people are automatically more trusting of her, more willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, willing to open doors or…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:55 AM
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Since you agree women are frequently objectified and that it's a societal problem, why do you take such issues with me saying "society at large objectifies women, society at large overvalues women for their looks over everything else they have to offer"? Are you just splitting hairs for the sake of arguing? Requiring that I add a "not everyone though" disclaimer after every sentence? And yes, my experience of society differs from yours. I’d actually go so far as to say that society in my view se…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:46 AM
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Many people all ideologies trying to bring about social change would disagree, but fair enough I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:39 AM
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I disagree, but at least you're consistent. My point is speaking of societal attitudes in general. According to most feminists, "society at large" definitely objectifies women and they would definitely agree that "men in general" harbor some degree of this or other problematic attitudes even if # notallmen. I'm not ascribing my own beliefs to a broader anything since I personally don't value people based solely on things like beauty or utility, but I still acknowledge and believe that's how soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:36 AM
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......I don't really get your point. So your response is basically, yeah, and that's the way it is. Thanks for your input I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:30 AM
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Hmm ok. So are you saying and agreeing that feminists or women don't really have a case or reason to complain about women being objectified? Because as you say, this claim is just a reductive one from my own experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:25 AM
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But perhaps we can slowly shift public opinion so that people are valued for more than just things like physical beauty or utility. I never implied that people should be valued for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:23 AM
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How I see value or value others is not the point. I'm speaking in generalities, how society at large sees people. Women complain about being valued for their look alone constantly, and men at least online complain about being valued only for their utility. This is b/c it's true, in general. Never said I was okay with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:20 AM
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Women complain about being valued just for their looks or youth. But they along with children have inherent value and are loved unconditionally. Men are loved only for what they can provide, and when they are useful. Maybe the difference is society seems to hold reverence and respect for useful men, even if ultimately they are just tools as women are pretty objects. The men on here want the inherent value women possess and women want the respect from actions and accomplishments men possess.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:01 AM
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ELI5 since I don't know things. How was this thread possible if the sub was banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:49 PM
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Knows some kind of plumbing/electrical/ auto repair (but doesn't actually work in those fields) LOL. The real-world benefits and utility without the low status association.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:43 PM
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Many men hear that women like sensitivity, expression of emotions in men, kindness, but are rewarded with attention, affection, etc from women when they do the opposite eg exhibit aggression, selfishness, be stoic and direct.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:14 PM
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Imagine making 40k/yr and wanting a man who makes 140k.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:10 PM
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The women at twoxchromosomes complain about this b/c they just love blaming and criticizing men and feel entitled to everything as OP implies, not b/c they actually care or want to spend time with these men even as friends. Or it's about moving up and getting promoted. "I should be invited out to the dinners with supervisors and higher-ups as well"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:21 PM
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Wouldn't you agree men have been trying to achieve methods to get into women's pants for as long as humans have existed though? Seems like TRP just packaged it into something marketable. At the very least, I would say that social intelligence is a huge part of game. When convincingly faked (rarely) or genuine, it is the primary strong point of game which is why so many men think it doesn't work. It's extremely hard to fake and if it ever becomes real there's no need to fake it anymore anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:29 PM
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I feel the focus should not be on memorizing lines and behaviors. This is b/c different words and behaviors are appreciated by different people, and part of social intelligence is reading the type of person they are and correctly predicting what they would appreciate or latch onto. Also, how everything is said and done is more important than what is actually said and done. I think a good compromise is to use your own lines and behaviors that reflect who you are in a comfortable manner. There's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:55 PM
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Doesn't a lot of game involve trying to teach social intelligence, reading cues, interactive skills, body language and such? The concept being that ideally the skill set will become natural but until then do your best to fake it. The gist though is that most men who self-select themselves into these PUA camps will not be convincing or effective while faking it. It only works when you continue to improve up until almost the end. I don't think game is just negging or peacocking lines, but then aga…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:15 PM
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Game isn't useless, it's just one of those things that's really hard to do well. In comparison, looksmaxxing is very easy and straightforward. The guys you describe who are less socially aware but do well with women are actually what RPers pedestalize because they come across as both comfortable, confident, and low inhibition. They talk and move with ease. Furthermore as you say, they may be "successful" just bc they just don't care about playing the numbers game. A lot of the women being cold a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:08 PM
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The problem with TRP is the game aspect (versus just improving looks through lifting, fitness, grooming, dress etc.) is very difficult to fake or excel at unless you have become very natural at it. If you can fake being natural and convincing, you've basically already gotten to the point of being actually socially aware and competent anyway. The vast majority of men who look into game are the least likely to be able to pull it off, especially if they are looking for a quick solution with pre-wri…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:59 PM
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Not all women, but enough women. Just like the feminists say not all men, but enough men, 'so stop saying #notallmen'.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 10:35 PM
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There are. But the women I talk about exist, and there are quite a bit of them, and people here seem to be in denial of that and oscillate between women having no agency but still being amazing but also somehow not needing to take responsibility (social media addiction, beauty standards!). When talking about shitty male behavior, you discuss how culture has shaped the attitudes and actions of men but I'm pretty sure you still hold men responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 10:04 PM
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I don't know much about him. I watched a few of his bits and he seems to trash on men and women equally....actually probably trashes men a bit more. I watch a lot of standup in general so it's hard to follow one person continuously for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:57 PM
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Nope. Just everyday women. Friends, associates, coworkers, people in my social circles. Some private, some not, but none of them are private to me since we're linked. Not all women, but enough. And a lot of them say the same thing. That women should be valued for more than their beauty. But I don't see any posts showing their thoughts or stories, once in a while I'll see a photo of nice scenery or some social issue post. It's all of them just wearing nice or revealing outfits, made up to the nin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:44 PM
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In a long term relationship context it's true ofc the ideal is to be valued for many of your other qualities aside from looks, that's why on dates the aim of conversation is to find out about common hobbies or interests and such. But the way in general some women display themselves on social media, why wouldn't I think your looks are all that you want to show people? Someone brought up addiction to social media likes yesterday. That excuse only goes so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:36 PM
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You try to sell your car and all you talk about in the description is how good the AC is, don't be surprised all you got are potential buyers interested in the AC. It doesn't matter in this context if your car has other cool features.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:24 PM
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Well you're Exhibit A then proving my point. I care about your character. It's the only thing that matters between strangers on a shitty reddit sub lol. Won't ever know or care about what you look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:19 PM
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Some women do, some women don't. But this "no one likes to be valued for their looks alone" is garbage. I'll concede it's not ideal for most. But some people simply don't prioritize anything else when marketing themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:13 PM
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Lol true. My comment was just a throwback to a previous convo about someone insisting no woman is okay with being valued for just their looks. You put your looks forward as your best if not only quality when you meet men and you're upset that's all they see? Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:04 PM
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Paraphrasing standup comic Mark Normand. "Women say they don't like to be valued for only their looks. But that's all you brought." Talking about socialization and beauty standards and pressures can only excuse so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:01 PM
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Fuckboys and men who do well with women being misogynistic and shitty is actually the popular mainstream opinion. In recent years the reaction from some women online (many manhaters and femcels) has been the unpopular one OP says is popular: "The ugly guys aren't going to be actually nicer or better in personality than the hot ones, might as well go for the hot one." There are plenty of problems with this, but just saying that's the train of thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 05:16 PM
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Not sure why you were downvoted by this. Man this place is filled with bitter mentally ill fucks. Men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:17 AM
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I don't hate sluts. I just won't commit to one. If I want casual sex I don't care if she's a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:08 AM
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lmao fit 50 year old easy. Youth is a benefit but not enough to make up for a fat shitty body (unless you're into that type of thing). And this is talking about just sex even, making the question even easier. A more fair question would be 20 year old not bad body vs 45 year old banging body.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:44 AM
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There might be similarities, but to what degree? Social media is widely available to almost everyone, and not everyone is addicted to likes, not every woman is like the women I describe. In fact most women are not. Comparing social media to hard drugs is ludicrous. Also, there is a difference between being addicted to the internet or social media and again, putting up revealing pictures literally with every single post.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:07 PM
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I'm gonna be honest. It's very very difficult for me to extend sympathy to people addicted to social media likes. Social media is not crack or heroin or fentanyl. I really want to give people who post sexy pics 24/7 the benefit of the doubt and say they aren't shallow they're just victims of addiction, but I can't. But I appreciate the discussion and passionate input.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:58 PM
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I mean again I can see your point but it really comes down to where you draw the line or split the hair. Ideally, they may want to be valued for more than their looks, but they are chasing likes, and they know the likes are bc of their looks, so they are...simply put, okay with being valued primarily for it. That doesn't necessarily mean they are trying to manipulate or trap men, just that they know what they are doing, and they know why they are getting views, and they keep doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:49 PM
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You're free to share poetry, thoughts, ideas, take pictures of literally anything else, including scenery, animals, your favorite places, setups and paraphernalia for your hobbies and such. And to be clear, there are obviously women who do this. But there are also women with little hobbies besides dressing up and looking sexy or good on Instagram. The person I was responding to actually made a statement that it was ridiculous that any woman would be like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:32 PM
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It's very simple. These women spend their entire time preening on social media and finding the right clothes and makeup. Every single picture is of them in a revealing outfit, fashionable outfit, or a glamorous pose or expression. If literally all they show the world is their looks, they are okay with being valued for just their looks. If personality matters so much why are they not sharing their thoughts or writing? It's again a matter of ratio as well. How much of that they show is pretty outf…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:08 PM
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What? I already described them, and what they said. I don't remember or take note of usernames. These women would definitely disagree with you in that they would believe you are way too forgiving and charitable to men. Sometimes I do forget that Reddit and this sub especially are full of people, teenagers sometimes with zero life experience and mental instability so I might be guilty of taking these comments seriously and attributing them to women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:54 PM
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Let me rephrase then. They aren't okay with being valued only for their looks. But they sure seem okay, from the amount of effort they put into their looks and social media image vs anything else, with being valued for mostly their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:47 PM
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The potential is there for men to get better with age. Many men squander it. Anyway, I agree with a lot of what you've said but you aren't the women I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:42 PM
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no, women are never ok with being valued only by their looks, never ever, believe me You really really really gotta be kidding me. Maybe not you (if you're a woman), maybe not some women. But there are plenty, armies of shallow women just in my social circles alone who won't ever stop posting selfies or feeling themselves, literally just living off of the validation of their looks from men or followers in general. So either you're straight up wrong or these women are actually mining for attentio…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:35 PM
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Honestly there isn't too much I'd disagree with here. However just that the sentiment I get from most of these "anti age-gap" posts from women is men ain't shit, they ain't shit at 20 and they are even more aint shit after 30, men getting better with age is a lie, and so on lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:22 PM
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So the biological law thrown around is supposedly that women are meant to be valued for their looks and men for their actions and by extension status. I'm not arguing for or against this, I am saying women are okay with this when it suits them and not okay with it when it doesn't. E.g. "Men just find us more attractive than we find men attractive, men have to hold our attention in other ways" and then "Look at that manipulative creepy 30 year old trying to get into that young woman's pants, just…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:12 PM
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Would women prefer men value them more than for just their looks? Absolutely. I think it's easy though for women to answer with 'intelligence and other qualities ofc' because by default they know they are already valued for their looks. Ask them if they'd be okay if a man thought they were hideous or plain and it's a different story. But ultimately I am not saying that women like to be objectified. I'm saying women say "I can't help it if men find us attractive and we don't find them attractive"…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:08 PM
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Welp, tbf the opinions from both men and women are not a monolith here. It's possible I'm zero'ing in on the more outspoken ones or the opinions I dislike the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:00 PM
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A pretty 20 year old is going to be valued and admired for being pretty regardless of how old the admirer is. It might be manipulative and morally wrong for someone a lot older to pursue a relationship with them, but that doesn't change the existence of the value. That doesn't change the hypocrisy that women are okay with women having inherent value but aren't okay with men making value later in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:55 PM
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And my point is a lot of women are "okay" with that because the other side of the coin is women not being attracted to men at all unless they are something amazing or able to show value in other ways. It is, again, the way a lot of women here dismiss the grievances of men. Again, "That's the way it is, women simply don't find men as attractive as vice versa. Deal with it."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:49 PM
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Not worth engaging as you don't seem to have read any of the comments some of the women have posted on this sub. If genuine, I envy your ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:47 PM
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It has nothing to do with revenge or flexing, talking about this would be a waste of time. It's about being okay with 'the way things are' when it suits you and being not okay when it doesn't. For what it's worth, women have it so much easier than men in the modern day, even after 30 or 40 their SMV is still much higher than even higher value men and they will still have an easier time dating and finding mates. On OLD, slightly above average women get way more messages than the top men. Theoreti…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:41 PM
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The nuance being women being against the idea of a man working on himself in his 20s to succeed with women while in his 30s and a woman hitting the wall or depreciating in value at 30. Many women on this sub rage against this biological concept. But they are okay with the idea that women are just naturally more attractive and men have to create their value. But suddenly, specify that this value depreciates quickly and that men work on themselves to have value later. Oh no, can't have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:29 PM
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Not sure why you would expect change in 30 days. This place hasn't changed in years.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:25 PM
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To the women who were like "We also find women invisible, not just men", that's not the point. When I mean invisible I mean women don't readily consider the vast majority of men as potential mates unless he does something to reveal himself to be worthy or of value. Men on the other hand do just based off of low standards (comparatively) for looks; many women are sufficiently attractive for many men. Many women on this sub will say "that's the way it is, tough shit" to this imbalance and then tur…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:21 PM
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Not sure if serious. I live in a very liberal area and even the most progressive and uptight of women here use the words bitch and cunt freely with abandon.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:33 AM
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LOL there are literally women here verbatim agreeing that most men are invisible unless they make themselves visible or do something that catches their eye and attention. Don't pretend women - much less the loons here - are more courteous and forgiving about it than they actually are. Also, men finding random women on the street every day attractive enough is just that. You think it goes much more like we are imagining the dirtiest things b/c you assume the worst of men when for the most part it…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:47 AM
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Women: It's bullshit society says men get to work on themselves in their 20s and be deemed more attractive in their 30s while women are just objectified and said to hit the wall when they hit 30. Also women: I'm sorry, it's just nature, women find most men invisible and men naturally find many women attractive. If men aren't immediately impressive or striking in some way they need to draw us in with actions, charisma, something solid. Deal with it. If you're going to argue against the idea that …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:45 AM
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It's the arrogance and self-righteousness that comes along with constantly putting a bullhorn in your face about these social issues along with the hypocrisy. They won't stop telling people to take action, to take on the correct views of tolerance when their own lives are in a bubble, they are ignorant af, and they don't practice what they preach (eg challenging gender and racial norms while desiring traditional conventional norms in their partners). Just...STFU and stop what you're doing. Every…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:53 PM
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Agreed. But there are a lot of garbage people out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:51 PM
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I was thinking cognitive dissonance in the context of guilt. They know deep down they harbor racist beliefs and try to overcompensate by telling the world how tolerant and educated they are on race matters. With dating however, it becomes simply too inconvenient, of course they are going to go with their true deep-seated preferences. Which again I wouldn't have as much of a problem with if they didn't announce to the world the complete opposite, and with such arrogance and from a high horse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:58 AM
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I don't think lack of contact has anything to do with it. It's just pure hypocrisy. They are quick to accuse other people of being ignorant of race issues and relations when they are the most ignorant. Nothing is stopping them from seeking black friends, visiting black neighborhoods, talking to more black people, but that's too inconvenient and uncomfortable vs virtue signal posting from their phone on social media. It's like the liberal feminist women who date conventionally attractive white gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:44 AM
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There are probably universal markers of attraction like symmetry or some degree of youth and health, sexual dimorphism etc but there is a lot of room for socialization to make a huge difference. Depending on media and environmental exposure and interaction, my own preferences have drastically shifted many times - along racial lines, body type and proportions, facial structure and features, style and so on. The [perceived] 9/10s that instantly draw my attention today would have been invisible to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:50 AM
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It's always hilarious to me, the people spouting Black Lives Matter the loudest. You look at their social circles and they are fucking lily white. They hang out with white friends, date white people, and stay in white neighborhoods and communities. Like you don't know shit about fuck about black lives, don't pretend to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:37 AM
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I'll die on this hill. It's funny we talk and debate all day about how societal indoctrination makes us carry prejudices and discriminate against people of different races, sexes, genders in all different types of contexts and circumstances. We condemn the exercise of these biases in multiple forms. But somehow dating and sexual preferences is untouchable territory. I'm not saying people aren't allowed to have preferences, but they are very much equally prone to exposure and indoctrination, ofte…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:34 AM
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Because a lot of men don't know how to dress, groom, talk or act, and frankly a lot of their faces aren't necessarily at their peak either at a young age b/c of the extra baby fat. It doesn't matter if you somehow argue that biologically somehow a man's biggest looks potential is at 22 or whatever. In reality most men in current society don't know how to make themselves look and act in ways that are the most appealing (and yes, arousing) to women until later, for better or worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:27 AM
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Or also being shallow and pretending and lying that you aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:20 AM
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Lexapro
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:12 AM
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You sound like the typical misandrist nutcase and that was before I even saw your flair. I'd ask your doc to up your dose of SSRIs. I decided to stop engaging with people like you a while ago. Have a nice life lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:56 AM
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...Literally nobody has said a schlubby guy in his 20s by default is a future upstanding potential partner. He's only a potential awesome partner if he fucking puts in the effort and self improves. Seems like you're looking for something to be mad at. Last time I checked the typical RP man who shames entitled slutty behavior in young women also very much shames young men with zero social skills who are fat or addicted to porn and gaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:28 AM
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Even the Chads who do well in the west would do even better as passport bros, although they might not be as motivated and tend to be complacent because it is extra work and they may already be satisfied enough with their success.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 11:15 PM
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Men don't WANT to wait until their 30s to enjoy successful dating, but the way things naturally unfold, most men don't start really getting their shit together, start making money, developing a sense of style they're comfortable with, learn how to groom and feel comfortable in their own skin socializing etc. until they are in their late 20s or 30s - if they are to succeed at all. Is this ideal? No. But this is what happens to the majority of men even if it would have been "better" to have achiev…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 09:14 PM
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Time is infinitely more valuable than money and your most valuable asset. You should always be very stingy about who you're giving your time to. All the money in the world won't give you more time. All the time in the world, and you can always make more money.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:10 PM
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My personal interpretation of what it means to be a husband is irrelevant. The point is men observe a lot of women behaving toward the men they label husband material (let's also throw in actual husbands as well) in unflattering, apathetic if not negative terms. Most men actually grow up with a very clean blue-pilled indoctrination assuming a husband is meant to provide a woman with all the needs she would want from a man. It's only when they observe the aforementioned behavior in women do they …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:59 AM
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Conventional thought here on this sub from men goes: women want alpha fuxx for sex, betabuxx for relationships. The truth with nuance is women don't want betabuxx even for commitment. They don't want them at all, for anything. If they had their way the alpha would provide sex and all other relationship needs. But they are forced to because they need a wallet or emotional validation once they get jaded or the fun wears off and they know they won't be able to get that from chad. Don't be a wallet,…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:47 AM
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People on this sub equate RP with basically any man they don't agree with, which is why they just assume RP means sitting on your fat ass and whining about everything, the type of person RP would condemn to the ends of the earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:05 AM
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Maybe from your own observations or personal use, but not from many men (or women). The bad connotation exists, again, for a reason. I still remember as early as h/s girls talking about the "hot" guys vs the guys whom "would be great to marry", realizing soon thereafter the latter was not a compliment. Guess to which group the girls actually flocked to and showed attention and which ones they completely friendzoned or ignored? If these "husband material" guys are remotely desirable - for sex, fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 03:05 AM
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That is the objective textbook definition of husband material, but that is not how it's used in conversation [by women] the vast majority of the time. This isn't an uncommon observation, otherwise husband material wouldn't have such a negative association among men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:11 AM
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...Not sure where you got the idea that RP involves blaming the world around you. RP holds men responsible first and foremost for their own success with women and in life and doubles down hard on self improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 08:45 PM
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Nothing wrong with being 'husband material' objectively on its face. The prob is that the context when a woman refers to a man as husband material is almost always when she's implying he's a safe, boring option once she's done having fun and ready to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 08:22 PM
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Bc it's all a sham. They talk the talk about challenging beauty ideals, e.g. shaming men who don't date fat women or find fat women attractive, when really they just want people to see them as beautiful but really deep down their preferences are conventional just like everyone else's.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 08:03 PM
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What with all the hubbub about Lizzo and me not really having listened to any of her music, a quick scan through her videos reveals something that will surprise no one. She's all about body positivity fat girl power etc but all the men in her videos are thin and/or fit. Unlike the transgressions outlined in the lawsuit, this hypocrisy is never hidden, just out in the world and no one bats an eye. Pretty sure this is the case with people like Meghan Trainor too. All the male love or sex symbols i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:52 AM
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Yeah I'm a guy and OP's question just sounds like it comes from someone with zero life experience and a very oversimplified outlook. Plenty of female friends and associates I find technically "attractive" but would never date due to a shit-ton of reasons. Although I admit maybe I'm coming from the other side of the coin...I'm so jaded even when I see a super attractive person I can clinically strip them down mentally to the point that they just become another shitty smelly gross human. ONS is on…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 03:01 AM
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Women are just more prone to mental illness and modern society does not help with things. In online spaces, these types of man-hating bitter psychologically compromised women are especially common. Of course shitty ass men also exist, but all types of men spend more time online, and on Reddit. You get a much broader cross section of men and a much narrower section of weird women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 02:21 AM
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Women are not more sensitive, men are less sensitive So...women are more sensitive. WTF this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 01:55 AM
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One thing I've noticed that people tend to overlook when they see an attractive woman with a tall fat guy is that there's a good chance when they first started dating he wasn't fat and was quite athletic, trimmer, and better looking. In my personal observations this often rings true and with the ubiquitous nature of social media it's never difficult to find photos to confirm this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 10:58 PM
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Men are not just frustrated by the "unfairness" of attraction dynamics. Many view modern society as gynocentric and hypocritical in how it treats men and women, to the benefit of women. Men feel undervalued, demonized, and when they bring up their issues they are gaslit and often given dismissive or pedantic garbage advice. Debate this if you will but there's simply more to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 08:23 PM
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There are men with feminine traits, women with masculine traits. Just on average some traits are expressed and manifested stronger in one sex over the other which is why they are labeled as such. Your other premise is that people think a woman with any masculine traits is deemed bad. Tbh that might be the case for women with many masculine traits but it really depends on degree. Conversely there are a lot of women who find overly feminine men repulsive or unattractive for a reason, but no woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 08:12 PM
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Again, each individual ladyboy just sounds like they have either chosen to identify as the female gender or are just on the spectrum of the 2 genders. Doesn't really matter how they look as it's an internal thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 08:04 PM
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I was just responding to your comment earlier. There are a lot of broad traits we associate as "masculine" and "feminine", like being kind and nurturing or more empethetic as feminine and desiring dominance and being quicker to aggression being masculine. How much of this is nature or nurture is often up for debate but your implication/premise that a woman isn't masculine just b/c she doesn't fight for a living is absurd and what I was addressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 07:58 PM
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Any woman with traits that fall under a list describing a traditionally masculine gender role, including leadership, independence, a degree of selfishness, aggression, single-mindedness, assertiveness and being outspoken, risk-taking. Being a UFC fighter is perhaps an extreme manifestation of physical aggression and assertiveness, but surprisingly not a requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 07:45 PM
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Sorry I'm not a woman so feel free to delete but I really don't understand these types of posts and questions on here. Is there something wrong with just letting people know what your priorities and goals are up front? Is that old fashioned and weird now?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 07:38 PM
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Because...you don't need to fight for a living to be a masculine woman? Sounds weird I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 07:17 PM
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Dating is easy enough for women IRL, it says a lot if a woman is resorting to dating apps. OLD is mostly men for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:52 PM
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thx not reflexive with all the terminology yet lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 09:11 AM
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It's just one gender, the female gender, because they no longer identify as a man, they identify as a woman as you say. Going by your logic all trans people would be a 3rd gender, when they oft identify as just one or the other. Also, a mix of both doesn't imply a 3rd gender, it just implies exactly that it sounds like, a mix of the 2 genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 02:09 AM
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There have been many catfishing experiments done where men with model looks still got tons of attention and messages despite it being made clear in his profile info that he had a very shady, criminal past alongside questionable prejudiced values. I know online dating isn't "representative" of real life but let's be real, a ton of people, perhaps an entire generation, absolutely participate if not even rely on online dating b/c their social skills suck otherwise. Then let's not forget the small b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 02:06 AM
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Why not, I don't know, both parties just state your goals and priorities up front. Sounds weird I get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 02:04 AM
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Ok so where's the third gender. Looks like they were born male (gender #1) but transitioned to being female (gender #2).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:53 AM
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Could it be that couples who choose to get married are simply more likely to be more committed to parenting? Or more likely to have the resources and capability to see their parenting goals through perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:42 PM
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Many women I know actually decided to keep sleeping with their exes just because it doesn't increase their bodycount. It is something we are mindful of. Haha. Life hack
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:14 PM
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What are ladyboys. My impression is it's just men with feminine tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:13 PM
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It's similar and analogous to everyone in society telling men to increase their success with and attract women by just doing nice things and being a respectful doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:30 PM
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Ok then yeah, he a simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:25 PM
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Right. So I mean maybe disgusting to you b/c of his thirst or recklessness, but he's not a simp as long as he's not catching feelings or trying to lock her down. If he was, then yeah I'd agree he's a major simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:18 PM
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So if it's oscillating between overly masculine and very feminine, doesn't that really mean there are 2? Even if there are shades of gray and it's a spectrum, I don't see how that means there are more than 2 genders. Like when a lot of people say they are transgender they identify as transitioning from 1 of 2 genders to the other remaining one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:14 PM
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I'd say it will help. And it doesn't matter how good you get either. Obviously the better you are or the more status you acquire the greater your success, but anything helps. Women are attracted to men involved in manly pursuits.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:09 PM
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He's not a simp unless he's trying to lock her down long term. I don't especially support rampant casual sex, even for red-pilled men, but if it's just a ONS he's just trying to hit and quit. Maybe disgusting to some, but not simp behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:07 PM
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It's my understanding gender dysphoria is real, but it's less than 1% of the population. As gender transition is a progressive trend these days, it does seem to invite everyone to entertain the idea of being nonbinary or different...eg a woman saying she identifies as nonbinary or a man now just b/c she's tomboyish.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:02 PM
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If there are more than 2 genders, why do many with gender dysphoria either state a preference or feeling toward one of two genders (man or woman), and the rest simply say they don't prefer either of the two genders (nonbinary)?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 05:56 PM
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How can gender be fluid and a social construct at the same time? I understand people have gender dysphoria but doesn't that mean they feel a distinction between the gender they were assigned and the gender they feel like? And if this distinction is just socially constructed, why go through the trouble of surgery, hormones, things to alter yourself physically?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 05:53 PM
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They wanna be b/c that's natural. It's progressive society trying to label and reinforce that men and women are the same, gender is fluid, a social construct, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 05:49 PM
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Physical transgressions or those infringing on property will always have more legal implications. That's why it's illegal to steal a pack of gum from a store or slap someone in the face but not illegal to lie to someone or traumatize them with bad behavior in a relationship, leaving them with a broken heart and years of needed counseling. Forcing a relationship is always a lot more subtle than forcing physical contact like sex (rape), so even if the former is also emotionally and psychologically…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 02:25 AM
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If you don't like the one you're on you can ask the doc to switch like different side effects or some shit
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 09:57 AM
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You gonna keep editing and retyping b/c you weren't satisfied with your last word? LOL Hope the SSRIs are working.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 09:54 AM
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yada yada not worth discussing yada yada And yet here you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 09:33 AM
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You missed the point(s) completely and predictably go for the "women are people" strawman. You're not different from the countless people who have tried to "explain things".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 09:21 AM
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Thx for your input lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 09:02 AM
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Yeah, heard it before. Thx for your input lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 08:59 AM
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Love exists and relationships can go well. For a time. It's the temporary-ness and fleeting quality, especially nowadays with social media and online dating encouraging ADD mindset and constantly looking for the next best thing. Personal experiences aside it's funny almost everyone I know, chad, stacy, becky, beta bob or otherwise, is in a relationship, and almost everyone seems lukewarm at best and not especially happy going by how they look and act when they're with their SO, and how they talk…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 07:23 AM
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It's common knowledge it's no good to be a betabuxx. But it's not much better if she's just with you for looks (not talking about ONS or flings). Your looks will fade or she will get bored of them, and if she's the shallow type to lock you down just for looks that means she is and will be looking at other goodlooking guys. Even women in relationships with chads get bored, need validation, and will flirt with other chads or even mediocre men. The same can be said for being attracted to personalit…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 06:49 AM
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The sheer amount of average couples and people not remaining single shows people can, do, and will settle. Easy to say "I'll never settle!" when you're 22. Most of my social circles are women and I of course don't know many single women, but of the men I know not many are single either and the age range is from like 20 to 50.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 06:42 AM
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I'm...not attracted to men sexually. I just think men look better, doesn't mean I want to fuck them. I know a lot of straight women who feel the same way vice versa, they are attracted to men but think women are better looking. There are also straight women who agree with me that it's hard to find a woman who looks very good without makeup. For some reason it's harder to accept the other way around, not sure what the difficulty is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 02:32 PM
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Nope. Not sure why you feel the need to keep telling me what I actually think looks good. Vast majority of women, even the supposed 10/10s, are absolutely unremarkable without the conventional enhancements afforded them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 02:13 PM
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Drunk comment time. It's popular both IRL and online to hear that women are simply on average more attractive than men. A acting duo I've seen talked about a few times is Henry Cavill and Anya Chalotra on The Witcher. People love to shit on Cavill and say he's actually not that hot etc. and that the real looker is Chalotra. Take the glitz and glam off of Chalotra and she's just another kinda above average woman, as she gets points for being young, thin, probably in shape and puts in effort. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:13 AM
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This is unrelated, but it's interesting how women on this sub are either like "Most men are invisible to me" or "Attractive men are everywhere".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 06:55 AM
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In that I have no urge to stick a dick inside men, yes. But I still find men nicer to look at. As in, if I'm not having sex or jerking off, I'd rather look at men because they are more impressive in the same way a beautiful painting or car would be. To be fair I'm comparing attractive men with attractive women, not necessarily fat men with fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 06:47 AM
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Confirmed ITT the importance of social proof and versatility. Women immediately notice when a man seems to naturally command every interactive dynamic and situation with ease.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:57 AM
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We need to shame simps more. The way women shame other women who give out sex like candy. Simps are just men who give out commitment (or commitment-like behavior) like candy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:54 AM
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Probably both.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:46 AM
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Can you rephrase that I'm not sure what you're trying to say. My bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:42 AM
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Absolutely. The difference is the way men are wired many will still notice fat women because they would still fuck a fat woman. But it has nothing to do with women being inherently "more attractive" or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:36 AM
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Looks matter to women but neurotypicity is more important. The reason why game both works and why so many people think it doesn't is b/c when it works it conveys a very natural easygoing social competence and awareness. When it doesn't, it conveys the exact opposite and looks offputting, forced and desperate, and sometimes downright disturbing. It often matters fuck-all what you say or do, it's how you say and do it. Constantly. In all aspects of your life. The men who resort to advice and getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:21 AM
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No need to gas your boy up dude. It was a joke about how fat asians are fairly rare. But not really anymore, as I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:09 AM
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Because the whole concept of sex is inherently dirty to a lot of people. For a lot of women it's also just still taboo even because they are raised to link their value with sexual purity and selectiveness .Even if they aren't religious, it's just something that's very intimate that nobody wants to think about or associate with someone whom they aren't attracted to. Unfortunately sex is also involved in a lot of people's trauma via abuse, assault, shaming, bullying, etc. so it encourages even mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:03 AM
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My friend is obsessed with fat women. Specifically fat asians. Must be slim pickings lol. Well maybe not in this day and age, esp in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:00 AM
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I had an image of a normal everyday man and assuming he takes relative care of himself and is healthy with relative youth, he is probably objectively meant to look decent (enough) to women. The difference between men and women is men are affected sexually even in the most mild or subtle ways when they see women whereas women are not when they see men. The "would" or "wouldn't" just subconsciously pops up every time a woman walks by a man. This is what is meant by men noticing women and men being…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:49 AM
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Getting with the most attractive people possible with what you have...with some people realizing they won't be able to land their ideal permanently - or at all - and thus taking what they can get.....is that not all people? The difference is it's just a helluva lot easier for women to do so in this day and age.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:40 AM
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If we're talking methhead skinny yeah, but men on the thin side, given decent grooming, dress, hygiene, etc. are pretty popular naturally with modern attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:30 AM
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So since a lot of people are saying Gen Z couples have the man as the more attractive partner, does that support the narrative about the 80/20 rule, female entitlement, blackpill, etc? I think for whatever reason a lot of people are just very bad at appraising looks and let things like clothing or fashion sense cloud their judgment. It's conventional to say the woman is more attractive in a relationship when really she just puts more effort into her appearance and the guy clearly has better faci…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:27 AM
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I've always found men objectively better looking or more impressive to look at especially when you take away heels and makeup (raw featurewise, better musculature and athleticism), even though I'm only sexually drawn to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:25 AM
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The best looking people are men, and so are the ugliest, prob b/c some degree of masculinity is required to achieve something especially striking. Women lie in the middle. I feel like that also seems to be the case with almost everything like criminality, intelligence and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:22 AM
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Because looks matter most to men and status matters most to women and the best looking women can afford to choose exactly what matters to them most. This will always ring true, no matter what you hear these days about things changing and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 05:27 PM
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Not sure discipline or academic pedigree are necessarily indicative of good genes, certainly not more than natural intelligence. The vast majority of people can be disciplined enough to do anything if they are motivated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 05:15 PM
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I would agree with that, but my impression is these women aren't complaining about not getting men who are on the same page academically. It's getting men they find attractive or men who turn them on, and they are confused why they can't draw these men in despite their credentials, as they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 07:20 AM
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If that was true there wouldn't be women wondering why they aren't meeting or getting the men they want while citing their academic accomplishments.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 07:04 AM
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Then why do many of them refuse to date less educated men? Why is there talk of this danger of women facing a lack of eligible men due to them being more educated than men in general? Why is it heavily implied that eligible equals a man of equal or higher education? Tbf I haven't seen the shaming on this sub that the OP is referencing well bc frankly I don't lurk the entire sub but I've definitely seen women with entitlement and an overinflated sense of worth [to men] b/c of their education. I'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:57 AM
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If there are women shaming men for showing interest in women in a "lower class" than them, I said my piece. But I'm not confused, modern women do somehow think they are hot shit because of their education. It opens doors for them to meet and date professional 'high class' men sure, but if these men pick them it will be because they have other qualities. And of course a lot of men meet their future wives in college. That's what's convenient and that's how people date and met at the time. Educatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:37 AM
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I honestly have not observed this much in real life either b/c as you agree most people just date and mingle within their tax bracket, but I'm going by what the OP says of women on here shaming men for giving "lower class" women attention. In the event that it happens, it sure as hell isn't b/c of "low standards." Imagine you being a doctor and all the other male doctors just go right past you and pick a fast food worker or barista over you, in the face of pressure to date another doctor. And th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:18 AM
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It honestly sounds like you haven't ever known or talked to any woman extensively. Or the only women you know of are sex workers and whores. Literally the stats are there. The upper percentiles for women are up to like 20 in a lifetime bar extreme outliers and that's way lower than what the average guy on here seems to think it is for the average woman LOL. You honestly think the typical woman is arriving at their 40th birthday with 40 dicks under her belt. Simply amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:13 AM
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No, in the worst case scenario she's fucking a few dudes a year, for a few years. Not for 20 years, that's why the highest percentiles are a small percentage of women with total bodycount of over 15. If she's in relationships that's much less because she's just fucking one dude for the year or many years. The latter seems to be the norm but again maybe b/c I don't know a lot of party girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:55 AM
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It will open the door, because professionals often run in the same social circles. But if these professional men - many of whom already face pressure to commit to a professional woman - choose a bimbo or low-class woman over them there's a reason for it and it's not b/c of no standards or whatever cope they tell themselves. When this happens, it truly says a lot about these professional women in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:13 AM
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A lot of women overestimate how much men care about education as long as she's attractive (enough), caring and loyal. These intellectual women were sold a lie and either think their degrees mean fuck all or try to tell themselves they do in the SM. There also is probably a lot of projection going on b/c many women themselves want high status professional educated men ('So why wouldn't any man want me?') and wouldn't dream of dating men less educated or lower on the ladder. So it baffles them whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:55 AM
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The reason why game both works and also so many people think it doesn't work is b/c social proficiency and value are both of utmost importance to women and also difficult to fake. It's not the specific things you do or say but that you need to say and do everything naturally. Most of the men who find themselves with the desire to learn game are the ones least likely to be able to pull this off due to social awkwardness, being on the spectrum and such. As a result they come across as offputting o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:47 AM
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LOL the guy you are responding to sure has a weird fixation. Or projection fixation. I dunno what it is...but something's wrong lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 10:12 PM
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Women get bored no matter who the guy is. I've had women flirt with me shamelessly with touching and overt body language when I used to work nightlife when their boyfriends and husbands were way above me in leagues. When men experience things like this, it makes them afraid to become boyfriends and husbands when they see how women act when their SOs aren't around. To account for the possibility that the flirting is just part of their personality or if the men are just reading too much into it, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 09:57 PM
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Agree with all that. Men and women aren't the same and it's society's fault for pretending we are. We are built differently and built to want different things, so different behaviors have different benefits and costs for each sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 09:40 PM
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When I say it's a myth, I'm referring to the cock carousel in the way many redpilled men in the manosphere frame it, as a long period of time where most women, drowning in sluttiness and entitlement, sleep with countless guys until she realizes she's been wasting her time and hits the wall and tries to settle down later in life with a schlub provider she's not physically attracted to. A lot of the manosphere narrative(s) also paint any men below the top 20% as perpetual virgins until they are se…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 09:37 PM
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I can't believe I'm defending women in this sense here but ok here goes. The point is that at least in the context of this sub redpillers criticize women for riding the cock carousel when it's really just something many young people often do or try to do, men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:24 PM
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If that's what you want to call being young and just having fun I suppose. Men would do the same thing if they could, and statistically they do. As it stands the implication of the cc is very much exaggerated if, excluding very extreme exceptions and sex workers, the bodycount of even the most slutty of women hits only 20 tops in a lifetime with the avg being well less than half that. I recall reading that close to 30% of men have over 15 partners whereas about 13% of women have that in a study …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 07:32 AM
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I would say even the most promiscuous women I've encountered and known fairly well probably go through a few men a year for just a few years 5 max and not for 10 years so it's more like 20 as a top percentile high number. But I dunno, can't keep track of everything lol. Maybe I don't know enough crazy party girls...but most of the women I know regardless of age are in an LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:34 AM
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I lean redpill and am more sympathetic to the struggles of men but it's true from what I've seen the cock carousel is a myth. At most you get a few men per year for a few years from women when they are young, stupid and wild. I've heard men complain that it's common for women to regularly hit their 30s with a 100+ bodycount which is laughable. When all's said and done, women do have it easier in dating though; most women I know are either [very] temporarily single or in committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 02:16 AM
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I'm not really talking about those extreme cases, although I don't know where you live. Just run-of-the-mill people and couples you see hanging out together you see in areas with lots of fast food, walmarts, liquor stores, car dealerships etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 11:11 PM
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Why would anyone say you're wrong. Obviously the better you look and the more money and prestige the more women will want you. Nobody will debate that. They might instead debate if it's morally ok or worth the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 10:59 PM
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You never seen mediocre to ugly poor couples? They're the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 10:53 PM
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Statistically poor people have more sex than rich people and it's safe to assume objectively poor people on the whole are less attractive due to obesity or lack of access to resources (good food, grooming, gym memberships, beauty and skincare products and know-how). Even if they have knowledge and competence they have less time to worry or care about it because of work or stressing out about other shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 10:46 PM
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Men on the whole are still blue-pilled as fuck. Every day there's a new post here about how the red pill or the blackpill is spreading and I don't see it at all. Just a bunch of schlubby men out there winging it taking advice about being nice and respectful and politically correct. The men who are just naturally handsome will do better given they are fairly normal and then they attribute it to personality and tell the unlucky men their personality sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 10:36 PM
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A lot of people into the pills are definitely socially stunted, on the spectrum, or with other severe mental issues. However, on a micro level shitting on the data for being overly detached and logical and that real life is different is like saying "men are on average taller than women" is problematic bc there exist women who are taller than some men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 08:43 PM
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I feel like people just have different definitions of game. To me game isn't just negging so the woman wonders why you aren't simping for her like all other men. It's learning how to act and communicate in a manner that conveys that you are someone who is good with people, well connected, with high emotional and social intelligence. Of the men who see any success, some have to fake it forever and for some they actually become what they fake at first, which is the ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:55 PM
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The plumage is masculine physical characteristics including height and frame, body hair etc....on some men it either works poorly or not at all and on some it works extremely well hence masculinity being a risk. I feel like that's why the best looking people have masculinity in their face but so do the ugliest - both ends require something unconventional and striking.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:34 PM
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I feel like if aesthetics matters more to women, then average or even below average women would not be deemed attractive enough for sex by many men despite men objectively acknowledging her mediocrity. It's more like men just naturally have lukewarm standards with whom they want to stick their dick into b/c they want to get their dicks wet constantly. The fact that women are more selective about everything including looks seems to mirror the peacock analogy. I suppose it can be kind of difficult…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:15 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:08 PM
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Are human male/female dynamics more like that of bees and flowers or like that of the peacock species? Flowers are the pretty ones and the bees are drawn to select and pollinate, implying it's the women who are meant to be pretty and passively attract with their beauty or chemicals, ergo the flowers have to look good, the bees rely on behavior, which is analogous to our behavior. On the other hand, male peacocks and other species are forced to impress females with their sexually dimorphic featur…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:05 PM
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I feel like a lot of unhappy or depressed people are actually very politically involved...or at least on Reddit they're just out there spouting their polarized opinions from whatever political hivemind they're from.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:53 PM
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Isn't the man paying for dinner b/c he's expecting sex in return a trope?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 05:08 PM
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The hypocrisy is the point. I think a lot of people in society don't question marriage and tell men not to be scared or sexist, but are very reflexively and immediately understanding of women who say they are scared of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 05:05 PM
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Yet women can do very little of those things on the list (except for hygiene and hair) and get tons of suitors. That's bc masculinity relies on action to communicate attractiveness and femininity and feminine attractiveness is a lot more passive as nature intended. It's inherently unfair, but also inherently natural. I think the problem is again society treats men and women as the same and holds each sex to the same standards - in the modern age this hurts men and puts them at a disadvantage
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 05:00 PM
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It's not gonna happen because that's just how it is biologically. Men are not programmed to be selective, women are. Society just keeps treating and pretending that men and women are the same and the only difference is socialization. How it currently stands in the modern era, this effect has largely hurt men although it may not have been exactly the case in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 04:55 PM
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This is a no-brainer. As much as we'd like to think otherwise, people are just products of their environment. That's also why a lot of FDS women think the way they do. Somehow they think they are high value but there is an explanation for that. They come from a low-class area and upbringing, where just not being super fat makes them think they're a 10, every man in their life is either nonexistent, abusive, a deadbeat or a druggie hence the "men are trash, men ain't shit."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 04:50 PM
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I'm not sure you're understanding what I was saying and it's the 2nd time this has happened....it wasn't that difficult to grasp. My point is that a lot of women and people in general talk about how it's okay or understandable to constantly be on guard with men b/c of rape or assault statistics but then turn around and shame and gaslight men for not wanting to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:47 AM
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By giving the eye I also mean like sneaking stares and glances and purposely positioning themselves close to the person. But if you're just talking detached attractiveness (like how as a straight man I find attractive guys appealing in the way I find a nice painting or a cool car appealing), then yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:39 AM
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I dunno. I used to work around a lot of attractive women. I didn't see a lot of other women giving them the eye or flirtation the same way they would do to men (who weren't necessarily 9s or 10s), and this was not a conservative work environment by any means. For what it's worth it's true if the guy is just average he'll get little to nothing unless he initiates, and women in general do have this type of "flirtatious" dynamic going with each other a lot eg commenting on each other's instagrams a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:30 AM
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too many dicks?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:25 AM
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I guess from observing body language and human behavior for a long time in nightlife settings, I simply don't see hot women having the same effect on straight women as hot men, although you can argue maybe it's taboo so women may try to hide it, but who knows. I didn't read the linked article but maybe it's more like straight women are much more sexually fluid than straight men and more open to being attracted to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:19 AM
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I think an average person would just garner a general unenthusiastic 'meh' reaction from most people. Maybe at most a "maybe...kinda cute I dunno" or "...just not my type" for the most extreme responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:12 AM
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Yea but the OP of that thread didn't think fat or ugly women should have the same applied to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 02:43 AM
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And yet a very common complaint of men is that women will fuck and get with all sorts of broke losers as long as they have dark triad traits and are physically attractive. These men are right. Also, in a different vein, if the man is funny and charismatic or if the woman straight up just likes him for other reasons, so all the more that premise is laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 02:41 AM
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To me, average people are not polarizing. They blend into the crowd, have very middle of the road features - but not in that perfect average type of way - and are instantly forgettable. One celebrity I find extremely average but somehow has female fans is Andrew Scott. His face might even seem a little scrunched and unpleasant to me, but overall I don't think I've seen a face that induces a more indifferent neutral reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 02:26 AM
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OP is the literal epitome of what the redpillers warn about...the modern woman who's all about empowerment but likes to cherrypick which traditional gender norms stay and which don't in accordance to her liking and convenience, which is why she thinks guys can't be broke but women can be fat. She's just more outspoken about it. 'Fat women are not deemed unattractive and have no trouble getting men' (so she says, no idea which trashy ass area or region of Walmart country she hails from), as if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 10:39 PM
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Maybe the question should be rephrased. Should ugly women date? You're holding men to the traditional gender norm of being a provider so are you holding women to the norm of providing eye candy?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 09:27 PM
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It's actually very fitting, because a lot of the people on these blackpill forums are obsessed with looks so they spend a lot of time on their appearance, but what's holding them back is their shitty personality and absolute garbage social skills. Many are on the spectrum with severe mental disorders. On the flipside, the ones most invested in criticizing them don't care at all about taking care of themselves and are deluded and mentally compromised in the opposite direction or different ways. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 10:59 PM
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You haven't been to my DMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:19 PM
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The reason for this is literally in your phrasing. It's not b/c they are immoral, it's because they can afford to. In other cases it just sounds like you're talking about people who are financially irresponsible or bad with impulse control. Morally questionable to me implies someone who gets rich through fraud, scams, market manipulation or mass exploitation; a lot of people who stupidly drop thousands of dollars on concerts (eg Taylor Swift fans) or other things are not even remotely close to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:42 PM
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There's quite a gap between throwing around money, even thousands of dollars, vs having gotten rich from unsavory methods. You don't need to be a millionaire to do the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:17 PM
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Women are heavily influenced by trends and preselection and status. What brings groups of women to swarm around a man is often two things. He's the tallest of a group of men and the well-adjusted extrovert type, and/or he already has a woman high on the chain or women around him who clearly like him. On a different note, I know a lot of women - very few of them are perpetually single, and very few of the men are chads. If they are single, it's usually temporary. So either these women are settlin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:08 PM
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You have a point there. A lot of men upgrade their looks and game and end up doing better with women but it's also easy to get jaded because it's depressing to see that what works with women comes down to an equation. Many just lose respect for women and probably humanity because previously they had a type of romanticized idea of dating, fuzzy feelings and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:04 PM
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B/c women are still attracted to men or still want a man despite the risks. Most men are aware of the dismal divorce rates and the risks of modern marriage but marry anyway because their biological desire to be with a woman supercedes their fear, along with the foolish confidence that they won't become a statistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:30 AM
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Are you a guy? That's why they say men date women hoping they won't change but they do. Women date men hoping they will change (eg the hot mysterious bad boy she can turn good), but they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:00 AM
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Status might be the most important factor in attraction for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:57 AM
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I don't see many single women IRL (reddit echo chambers are not real life) so it seems like women are settling left and right.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:56 AM
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Honestly surprised it took a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:48 AM
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Yup. I also think a lot of what people like to label as double standards for men and women are just normal expectations for men and women since men and women are inherently different. There's a reason women prefer tall rich high status men and men hyperfocus on looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:46 AM
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Why did you wear a bikini under pajamas
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:35 AM
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It's fine if you don't think there's anything wrong with trad gender roles. If the woman wants a rich man even when she's broke and wants a tall man even when short she shouldn't complain if the man looks like Shrek but needs her to be hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:33 AM
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Money definitely helps. But I am always hesitant to suggest it's a good idea to try to increase success with women by increasing money b/c then the extra women you're attracting are just attracted to the money. Become the type of guy women are attracted to already through personality or social skills, so that money and looks are there to help and supplement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:31 AM
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What did Bill Burr say, 'any job you can do in your pajamas is not the hardest job in the world'
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:52 AM
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lolol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:50 AM
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Looks-conscious area, highly gentrified with bike lanes, IPAs craft beer hipster scum central, no Walmarts here, also I don't go to fast food places, but I dunno.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 09:26 PM
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Perhaps. It's mindblowing because the original tweet said something like 'if you think this is too fat you're a loser' or something but honestly I can't even remember the last time I came across someone that fat so it's def a regional thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 09:18 PM
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I'm still surprised it's something men prefer. I mean in terms of a middle of the curve broad cross-section of men, not men who have a niche or exceptional preference for fat women. Must really just depend on where you live or the circles you run in.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 09:12 PM
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Right, but the responses to the tweet and of many ITT were that she looks fine/isn't too fat/looks amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 08:46 PM
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That's the thing, when you ban subs the people just go to other subs. There are a lot more subs for femcels or shitty women to go to so if it's not FDS they can go to nothowgirlswork or twoxchromosomes or wherever, or probably AITA lolol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 02:31 PM
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Yeahhh I feel like people who post or comment frequently on subs like that probably aren't the most savory of individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 07:56 AM
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I mean yea but it's similar. She cheats, it's probably something he did wrong or wasn't doing enough of. She's a prostitute. Well he shouldn't be so judgmental...yaas go girl empowerment and all that yada yada.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 05:47 AM
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Yeah that's a tale as old as time. If the guy cheats or sleeps around he's a complete sleazebag who deserves the firing squad but if the woman does it it's the guy's fault for not doing enough or giving her enough attention, driving her to cheat and stray.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 05:35 AM
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Does it? I'm not familiar with the sub extensively. If you're talking about an overall left-wing feminist bias against men...that seems to be most of Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 05:28 AM
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Obviously you know if a woman posts on a sub like FDS (or similar) or a man posts on an incel sub that they are probably problematic failures, but what are some seemingly innocent subs that serve as dog whistles? What subs are they for men...memes or wallstreetbets? I've for some reason noticed a significant overlap between man-hating weirdo women and heavy participation in AmITheAsshole and anti-male sentiment commented elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 05:24 AM
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It's important in terms of grooming and dress. Obviously it helps if you're attractive physically but most salesmen are not models or even especially handsome. What you actually say and your charisma and social skills are the key players. As they say, learning how to talk to women is just learning how to sell yourself. It's a skill set that won't just help with women but basically your interactions and relationships with everyone in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 03:45 AM
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Height beats all. Tall men are the first men to catch a woman's eyes. On a primal level the tallest man of a group of guys, provided he's not very ugly, skinny, or fat, gets first consideration and priority. They are wanted by the vast majority of women but especially are a common trait among those the highest-tier women date and marry. Obviously nothing is guaranteed even for tall men but the trait is the biggest inherent advantage I can think of.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:53 PM
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The standards are just often literally don't be fat. Which apparently has become a tall order these days in many parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:37 PM
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...I agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:35 PM
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And this has to do with this conversation how now? Smh
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:34 PM
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I wonder if the people who think it's silly for men to worry about the statistical risk of their life falling apart from divorce also think it's illogical for women to be wary of men due to statistics of assault and violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:52 AM
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Good news for women: Even if we all agree the ideal is unattainable for most women "eg very thin but with fat and thiccness in all the right areas", these proportions are not necessary at all for a woman to be deemed attractive enough to most men - for either casual sex or commitment - as long as she's relatively healthy and puts in some effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:44 AM
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If women want to eat but won't settle for anything less than a $200 steak, whereas men want to eat and will jump on a piece of stale bread and more than appreciate a bowl of macaroni, men and women are not equally hungry.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:41 AM
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B/c liberal women are often the ones challenging traditional gender norms and standards and the first to virtue-signal about their supposedly progressive preferences. The response they get is "No, actually, you just want a different kind of Chad, you aren't different or changing anything."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:27 PM
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When women say they love feminine guys they mean they love a slimmer Chad who takes pride in grooming himself and reads a book once in a while. The same way men say they like nerdy girls but they mean a porn star who found glasses and is okay with playing video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:30 PM
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From my (often surprising) observations, thin men actually are quite popular with women as long as their faces have some definition and aren't potatoes or too baby-faced. Slightly chubbier men and above are invisible or get settled for unless they have especially good faces. But it might be the area and demographic. Thin is very much in in upper-middle class white areas. I see this with white women, even if they don't have curves or much of a body or face, they are popular as long as they're ski…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:27 PM
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Even liberal well-to-do women with options still want masculine guys. As I said in another comment, a lot of these pretty boys or supposedly feminine men that women love so much still look and are masculine. They just don't resemble bearded lumberjacks on steroids - although...there is still absolutely a huge market for that type, even amongst the progressive-minded.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 09:45 PM
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Your crush Chishiya actually has a very square jaw structurally as is typical with a lot of Asians. It just looks softer b/c his face isn't especially lean or skinny, which is maybe what you were referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 09:39 PM
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Again with the pretty boy stuff. Pretty boys are just well-groomed men with chiseled masculine features, on the slimmer but still toned side. Youth, good hair, and style does not make a man feminine. Just because they aren't bearded or overly muscled doesn't mean they aren't masculine looking. This applies to all the most popular k-pop guys, e-boys, etc. It's just a different type of masculine and it's not new, as young women have been into the boy band type since the beginning of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 09:32 PM
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Fair enough. I prefer slim fit women who still have curves but it's not like I haven't seen chubby women I find attractive. But I see it the way I see short hair. There are women out there who can still look good with short hair or extra pounds but they would be more attractive with longer hair and less pounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:55 AM
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Is that what they are actually into or is it b/c that's just what they have to choose from? In our modern times of excess for the first time the disadvantaged or poor are more likely to be overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:46 AM
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Probably depends on the demographic. I rarely see men into overweight women but my social circles are pretty white upper middle class, so the skinny basic bottle blonde white woman with no T&A is still often the prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:36 AM
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I don't think there's a single man on this sub who would blame you for that. You're implying there's this need to even things out and be fair but there is no body positivity for men; the reason why threads like this even exist is because there's a push for men to find overweight women attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:23 AM
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Women harass men all the time. Society just doesn't care, and on an individual level a lot of men also don't care because women aren't perceived as a physical threat. I've been harassed, touched inappropriately, assaulted by women and honestly none of it takes up real estate in my head compared to all the trauma and shitty experiences that continue to bug me from other shitty parts of my past. It might be because as men a woman who harasses does not equate fear for our physical safety, and we ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 04:35 AM
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If you think anyone who isn't a bodybuilder or heavily muscled athlete with a BMI over 30 looks "fine", it's just b/c you're used to seeing fatasses and you probably just live in certain parts of America.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 04:09 AM
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The woman in the viral tweet is also obviously too fat LOL either standards have gone down a fuck-ton or this new upcoming generation just different. She's just not as bad as the ones who carry fat poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 04:05 AM
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I can't imagine it to be that great tbh. I'm guessing it's a lot of satirical preachy lecturing about how awful gender roles are and the objectification of women and all that - nothing we aren't exposed to constantly 24/7 already. In the unlikely event I'll someday happen to watch it or be forced to watch it when friends are around, I wouldn't mind being proven wrong but won't hold my breath.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 08:44 PM
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As you say, it's a business, but like all businesses as consumers we'd like to assume in good faith the purpose is not solely or entirely money - that people still care about putting out a good product.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 08:09 PM
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I hear a lot about how the strike is mainly for the extras, and non-famous actors who need to make ends meet by waiting tables and such. I suppose I get that. But are the writers themselves not responsible for most of the movies? Or are we talking the writers for more obscure films? B/c I'm just assuming their scripts are the ones for all the movies that have come out in theaters in Hollywood for the past 10 years that I despise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 08:01 PM
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Fuck Hollywood I don't give a shit about the writers or actors if these dogshit movies they are churning out are any indication. We never fucking needed 10928454 marvel or superhero movies. To the point now where if anything remotely different comes out - like fucking Barbie? lol - people are actually excited and think it's novel and refreshing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:52 PM
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The extremely few single women I know are temporarily single (like between relationships), not single because they are chronically unsuccessful in romance or dating. Nevertheless I agree, to the rare cases of women who fit this category or choose to stay single judging from what I've read online, it's b/c they don't like their options which comparatively speaking are significant compared to their male counterparts. But I really don't get how OP can somehow say there are a similar number of singl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:32 AM
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By good I think most people just mean you could afford to support a whole family with the salary which is increasingly uncommon in modern times.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:27 AM
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Many weird awkward women don't want weird awkward guys. Being shitty socially hurts men way way more because social awareness, prowess, and status are key traits women look for just like height (eg even if the woman is short).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:18 AM
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I wouldn't say it's necessarily supposed to be a contest or clean equation. A woman can "benefit" from feeling more free and at ease to behave as she pleases even if you objectively calculate that there are more men benefitting. But as it goes, sex is the woman's bargaining chip and provisions and commitment are a man's. For many it's possible they are just giving away their most valuable resource with gain that's comparatively small, or in the case of simps, often nil...i.e. simping for sex and…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:17 PM
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The saying goes that you should be with someone because you want them, not b/c you need them. They are someone who adds great value to your life but their presence and existence is not required because your life already has value.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:52 PM
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People sure love to be selective with schrodinger's nature or nurture to whenever it suits them. Dating preferences? Oh, they're natural, I can't help it, it's not b/c of societal norms or environment. If women don't find you attractive, tough luck, that's life. Oh but those beauty standards need to change, they are oppressive for sure, they are misogynistic, unrealistic and unattainable for most, even though I think my own dating and physical preferences exist in a vacuum. Oh but I'm obese b/c …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:40 PM
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A large range in my observation, under 40. But that's only b/c I don't know many women above 40. I do know some but I don't think any of them are perpetually single either. Also, I don't think saying women over 40 are more likely to be single or prefer staying single has the same implications.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:35 PM
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but their role is passive rather than active. It's not passive when they open the gate for these fuckboys over men with decent moral frameworks lol. Doors are not passively opened and people are not passively let in.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:33 PM
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Yeah no kidding obviously single women exist. I've just been at least acquainted with what I see as a pretty decent pool of representation of women, even though for the most part they are fairly neurotypical, under 40, etc. so it doesn't include everyone. Online forums and places like Reddit obviously select for the perpetual loners and weirdos with extreme opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:16 PM
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I'm not just talking about my friends, but also people I know of, have dated, slept with, worked with, gone to school with, networked with. It's a large group of people with many subgroups. Suffice to say I am merely fond of some of them, adore and love some of them, am indifferent to some, and dislike some.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:13 PM
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I'm not trying to prove or push any narrative, but ultimately I think it's hard to really wonder if this is true (in my experience) about women being happy single since I know so few single women to begin with. It's only online that I see these women who say 'men are trash, stay single'.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:11 PM
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I see a lot of women online say they are happily single, or that they would rather be single than settle...but honestly it's difficult to find real-life examples of single women to begin with. I know a lot of women and only like a couple who are single....and even then they just happen to be at this point in time. Honestly I don't think any woman comes to mind who is perpetually single IRL. Since it's safe to say most of the men women are with are not Chads or their ideal man, I can only conclud…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:17 AM
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Somehow I doubt that women would rather be single than settle since I know very very few perpetually single women and most of the men they're with are not chads. So you can say maybe these women are just with these men because they make good beta providers vs real or strong attraction...but they ain't staying single, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:54 AM
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Some types and degrees of sociopathy and psychopathy, yes. But garden-variety depression and anxiety and autism or bipolar or bdd...then no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:09 AM
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Depends on how the mental illness affects you. If you're a man and it makes you come across as socially stunted and awkward, your success will be very limited. A lot of goodlooking awkward guys I know usually do get their foot in the door, but it's not long before they fuck it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:08 AM
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The male real-life ideal is still a woman who looks like a porn star, but without the downsides like her sleeping with other men for a living, or the sluttiness plus having her options and potentially cheating on you, due to armies of men just waiting for you to fuck up. The female real-life ideal is still super hot and muscular, edgy, and dominant, but they want him to be faithful, and not to the point of social ostracization or personal endangerment. Basically the fantasy ideals are the same a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:02 AM
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It's a tv show, so it really doesn't matter if he's actually a Chad...in a tv show. Sitcoms of yore are full of fat clumsy dads with beautiful wives on their arms, so technically all these sitcom dads are also Chads, as well as all schlubby men in media with women chasing after them. It's not real life though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 08:32 AM
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Once again, pounding works because for men the mere visual and mechanic of sex is enough. It's no different from the female fantasy of a hot man treasuring her as the center of the universe. This excludes the fact that a lot of erotic literature also includes rough primal sex as well and it's not as cut and dry as "he loves her, she loves him". The lust, the taboo, the fear of getting caught, the ethical complexity of fucking the rebellious bad boy behind the scenes. It's all there. Both shallow…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:48 PM
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I always bring the following up because it seems like it will stay valid for the unforeseeable future. Men see what women are like to them (or other men) when they have boyfriends or husbands. They see the difference in their behavior when their SOs are around vs when they aren't around. These men in turn become afraid of becoming boyfriends and husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:44 AM
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No, loyal and caring honestly are probably the only two most men need and want. In terms of feminine or cute, that can just be easily achieved by adhering to conventional attractiveness standards "cute enough" for men, which the vast majority of women easily meet with little effort (eg not being fat).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:30 AM
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I feel that's basically how biology works. But yes, in that case it's like both sides aren't making much of an effort to appreciate anything beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:05 AM
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There's a lot of variety in porn. I do find the degrading stuff to be a turnoff tbh, and I don't think most porn involves that. Do you feel the same way about BDSM porn when the male gets off on being submissive? Again, you just think porn is disgusting because it's purely just visual shit that men can get off to depending on whatever their preferences or kink. To you, simply the act of sex or a woman consenting to sex without emotion or romance is degrading. And again, your example/excerpt real…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 07:05 AM
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It's still media designed to sexually arouse. The fact that the man needs to be in love or in a relationship with her is irrelevant really...erotic literature is still designed to turn you on, and as far as I know the men in most of this literature still need to be very physically attractive. Not to mention...this isn't necessarily true at all. Plenty of narration involves the man being some type of brash untameable rogue-type character in some type of iffy taboo lust-driven situationship with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:53 AM
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From your experience or observations, do you feel women have higher standards for men than vice versa in terms of character? Do you think men's standards for women are insufficient character-wise e.g. 'all she needs to do is be sweet and caring and loyal'?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:48 AM
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91% of men watch porn because men are much more visual. 60% of women is still fairly high, and a lot of women in my circles are avid fans of erotic literature, which is basically porn for women. To the point where it's a major common interest over which they bond when conversing or spending time together. Maybe it's bc it's more socially acceptable? Most men I know don't bond with their bros over porn. Everyone knows everyone watches it but it's a very much solo thing as far as I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:32 AM
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Earlier in the older chat megathread I got a few responses from women basically agreeing that it's hard to find a long-term partner that's both attractive and long-term material. I don't think men are the same way. Men just want someone who's loyal and feminine and cute enough is sufficient. I feel this would be the case even if men didn't have it harder in dating. Not just in terms of looks but also with compatibility, as long as she has a caring demeanor and he thinks she will stand by his sid…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:26 AM
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Interesting. Why does the average man where you're from live in a small town and the average woman live in a bigger city? That's quite the dichotomy. Are men encouraged to stay where they are to take care of family or the family business and women encouraged to move out of small towns (to more metropolitan areas)?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 10:56 PM
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I think a lot of this is b/c men don't put as much effort into their looks. If you take away the variable of makeup I find a lot of men as more impressive physically (facially and bodywise) and goodlooking than women. But since I'm straight, this admiration of the male form is more like how I would see a cool car or piece of art, and it's only with women that I naturally feel sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 10:39 PM
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Why would you say it's hard? Obviously humans have been breeding for many millennia. Do you think it's just the default that it's difficult to find an attractive plus caring compatible partner, or do you think it's due to emerging factors specific to the modern era?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 10:34 PM
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Right, I'm not saying women should raise children alone. I'm just asking if it's difficult to find a man she both finds attractive and also would like to raise a child with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 10:30 PM
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Are the standards rising, or are men just getting worse, in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 10:29 PM
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I read a comment earlier on about women marrying men they are kinda attracted to re: dead bedrooms and then things just getting worse after marriage. If the woman isn't in dire straits or in need of a provider, like many educated women of today who pay their own way, why are they settling? Is it hard to find a man who is both attractive (instead of just 'eh he'll do, he has his moments) and marriage material?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 08:09 AM
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For women in the modern day who have their own careers and pay their own way, what incentive do they have of getting into relationships with beta men they aren't really attracted to (as a manosphere narrative goes)? Either the biology to settle down with a provider is really that strong, or there is actual real attraction going on, even if he isn't Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 03:49 AM
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The 'ick' is just kind of a nudge that creeps you out. A lot of what makes someone 'creepy' seeming is the unknown, the idea that someone is potentially a threat but you just don't know. In today's society of victim politics most women are likely to be "creeped" out by men fairly easily by wondering about the most innocuous of things - eg a mannerism that is somewhat unsettling. That's why you can seem creepy by being quiet, because it gives people little to go off of so minds can run wild with …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 02:53 AM
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Society, at least currently, allows if not straight up encourages female hypergamy and shames general polygamy, which like you said is more of a male trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:39 PM
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Is...female hypergamy a response or retaliation to male polygamy? B/c I don't think it is. That's just the way women are. We won't need to get into how society enables female hypergamy much more than male polygamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:50 PM
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Yup. If you're tall (or even better tall with a good frame and build), your face just needs to be good enough, and there are also plenty of high value women who will overlook a meh or subpar face if the height is there. Once in a while I'll see a guy post something like "I'm 6'2 and in decent shape, 6/10 face, and I can't get women to save my life. This is evidence women want nothing but the best of the best." Bro it's 100% because you are probably awkward as fuck with zero social skills. Litera…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:40 PM
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I got no science behind this but the hottest highest-tier women I see are all with tall men. Not necessarily with the best face. Back in school it was with the bad-boy types or the most socially outgoing. Plain as day. The "most handsome" dudes were not necessarily with the hottest women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:38 PM
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Then why would you say "I don't think there are many violent/physical crimes worse than rape" implying you think rape is one of the worst crimes ever and then go on to imply the complete opposite i.e. "rape isn't even as bad as getting your arm broken".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:31 PM
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Possibly flaming hot take but I don't think there are many violent/physical crimes worse than rape. If say, you had to choose between having sex with someone they don't want to, or having your arm broken, I think the vast majority would bite the bullet and choose the sex(rape). To me, that seems like a relatively straightforward test to gauge the relative severity of various crimes. Uhhhh doesn't that mean you think that rape isn't that bad? Since you think most people would rather be raped than…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:58 PM
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Putting aside the original purpose of Tinder, Women complain that men are just on Tinder for short-term fucking, yet so many women I know are in what I assume are stable long-term relationships, started through Tinder. And these aren't women I would call promiscuous in any way. When I ask them about it they say Tinder can be used to look for long-term partners as well. I guess the women who complain and warn other women to stay away from OLD because of sleazy ass men are in a different category …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:55 PM
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I agree with this, whether it's biological or socialized or both. This rings especially true with top tier women. Their guy is almost always tall first and foremost. Other things being optional but usually well-groomed with high status. They aren't necessarily especially goodlooking though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 10:51 PM
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Depends on what you mean by "below average". The biggest and most common reason I see for men who struggle with dating is garbage social skills and extreme social awkwardness. This will kill any mood or vibe instantly, especially in this day and age where women have tons of options. I see this happen to goodlooking men all the time. There's no reason for most women to be okay with an awkward looker when there are plenty of lookers who are well-adjusted socially to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 10:48 PM
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You can be both slim with curves in the right places, in the same way a guy can be slim and have good muscle tone. I think this type of build is the general preference of most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 12:03 AM
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Because tall women still want taller men, or at least...men who aren't short. The women who are insecure about being tall are going to feel even worse about being seen with a short guy because it will make themselves look even taller. Personally I love tall women, but on the flipside a lot of men in general are socialized to prefer shorter or more petite women. A lot of short men may not find tall women attractive or will find their insecurities exacerbated when with a tall woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 09:07 PM
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I feel this is obvious and shouldn't be unpopular but it is. People always protect the concept of personal dating preferences and say attraction can't be negotiated. They do this in response to, for example, men complaining that women don't find them attractive. Then they'll create a strawman and post something like "It's not a good idea to force women to date men they aren't attracted to." It's clear that dating and sexual preferences are influenced by factors of exposure and socialization. My …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 08:31 PM
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What if she just doesn't find black men attractive and subconsciously wants attractive offspring? You can use the excuse to justify any number of shallow decisions, I don't think preferring tall vs preferring non-black are that different. Ultimately, preferences are very determined by socialization and exposure, and you don't get to cherry-pick which preferences are okay and not. I always thought it's weird that personal dating preferences are some sacred untouchable thing we need to respect whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:54 PM
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You might be giving women too much credit for being selfless and thinking of their future offspring, but who knows. I talked to a [white] girl a long time ago who said she would not date or marry a black guy because she didn't want her kids to endure racism or have a harder time in society. I was skeptical then and remain skeptical now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:19 PM
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It varies greatly due to one's circumstances how much control a man has over his wealth and social status, but sure. Women are valued much more for their beauty and in this it sounds constrained, but genetically and biologically speaking most women with relative youth and good health are going to be attractive enough for a great deal of the male population. Men have more wiggle room, but that's only b/c they have much less inherent value to begin with and must act to increase their value if they…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:02 AM
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Sure, there are women who end up with men in their league (or below). That's another discussion. I'm saying hypergamy and the sexual dimorphism of SMV traits and societal value thereof as per your OP are unrelated.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:45 AM
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The takeaway is that women are labeled hypergamous (and not men) because they have a hard time being okay with dating a man of equal SMV as herself - they won't settle for less than someone of a higher SMV and league. The actual SMV guidelines - what's masculine, what's feminine - for men and women aren't relevant. You can argue that women aren't hypergamous, or that men are also hypergamous, but I'm just addressing your OP post.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:33 AM
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No....how is achieving a postgraduate degree inherently masculine? Unless you somehow think women are naturally less intellectually capable. Hypergamy is women wanting men higher on the social ladder, no more no less. I'm sure hypergamous men exist, but the stereotype doesn't exist for men because while they do seek women with feminine traits (and obviously, these women will likely be more feminine than them, because they are women), they are content with women in their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:18 AM
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I don't follow. My point is that it's not about male or female SMV traits. Hypergamy is conventionally tied to women because the idea is that women want a guy who is higher on the ladder than she is. For instance, if she has a bachelor's degree, she may refuse to date a man with the same, but instead wants a man with a Master's or PhD, or maybe holds a job title out of her reach in her current capacity. The specific masculine or feminine traits are moot. Am I missing something from what you're t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:12 AM
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Women are hypergamous but not all is lost. A lot of women and men too have major insecurities and hangups and they'll show preference for guys who compensate for their own perceived flaws and fixations. That's why the women most obsessed with height, the ones who often want really tall guys, are often short. Women who hate their race because of dominant culture indoctrination will let it slide if a white guy isn't that goodlooking or well off or they may go for a skinny guy if they pathologicall…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:08 AM
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My understanding of hypergamy in women isn't merely preferring masculine traits, bc men in turn prefer feminine traits - on average - and are not said to be hypergamous as a group. It more has to do with women chasing men they view as in higher standing or superiority to them, which means better looking, better off financially, smarter, more athletic, more well connected, with more knowledge and social versatility. If a woman settled for men she views as her equal or in her league, that's not hy…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:01 AM
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Am I missing something or is OP just making everything way more complicated than it is? On average women are drawn to masculine traits and men are drawn to feminine traits - on average. It's as simple as that. Feminine traits men are drawn to include markers of youth and fertility, sometimes a petite frame or sometimes ones with more curves depending on the man. Submissiveness, loyalty. There are variations, for example I'm very straight but I also like tall women and shy away from petite or sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 03:56 AM
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It's possible to feel that Jonah Hill did the wrong thing by getting into a relationship with a woman expecting her to change and using manipulative tactics, while at the same time side-eying the fact that the gynocentric media and feminist public response is up in arms for something holy-shit-who-gives-a-fuck two years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 03:49 AM
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Don't care about the Jonah Hill thing. He's one of those arrogant tools who becomes utterly [even more] insufferable after he loses weight because he had so much pent up bitterness and entitlement when he was fat. Shows who he really is once he gets some gumption. His ex is an attention-whoring cunt too, why did she wait all this time before saying anything, and also for such a nothingburger?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:05 PM
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I guess that's fair. There are plenty of HVM with plain faithful wives but are still HV. I guess I'm saying he's HV because potentially the world is his. I don't think he's with a cheating 5/10 because that's the best he can do. Without knowing the details or researching more I can't say why he's still with her. Like I said, a billionaire could be a deformed recluse and still have 10/10 prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:38 PM
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What's your point? If he wanted he could get multiple 10/10s every night for the rest of his life but settled down with her for other reasons unrelated to looks. You honestly think somehow Bezos can't do what these 70-80 year old grampas do because....reasons? The 2nd fucking richest man in the world gets a 5 because that's the best he can do? JFL This would apply to an extent even if he was hideously deformed with zero social skills, which is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:18 PM
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It doesn't matter what we think about him. If a guy can pull 10/10 women with ease he's high value. Doesn't matter the reason. In this case money is the reason. It's like saying someone isn't high value because his personality sucks or he doesn't have an established respectable career. Doesn't matter if he does well in the sexual and dating market given any effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 07:13 PM
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Assuming we're talking high profile gym girls with robust profiles on OF or IG, you can value health and fitness and be disciplined with great results without making a living off of clicks, views, and donations from horny lonely men - or just men. It's basically the more socially acceptable way of selling your body vs prostitution or being a porn star. As a straight man, they are sexually appealing, but they aren't of the personality and psychological profile I'd commit to long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 05:32 PM
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For the record I'm referring to girls who monetize their looks through social media at the gym, not just women who stay in shape and go to the gym regularly. The former are ONS and FWB material but not relationship material. There are exceptions but given today's culture you won't be able to shake the fact that she's a straight up attention whore who will constantly have the attention of many men and be tempted to cheat. Sure sure, "if you love someone you should trust them", but why roll the di…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 05:28 PM
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It is the money obviously. And the point being the money is enough to make him high value bc he has so much of it, and the money directly gives him S-tier status, power and influence. He isn't your garden variety millionaire or even billionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 05:19 PM
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Some women just get wet for rich, powerful high status men. These men don't have to really "do" anything except be who they are. Those traits alone are sufficient provided he's not hideous, and even then that doesn't stop many. Not every woman, of course, and maybe not even most women. But enough 10/10 women that people like Bezos would never have to suffer a single night alone for many lifetimes - again assuming he wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 12:19 PM
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Genuine desire can be felt by women if the man has other qualities besides being goodlooking. But in any case, if Bezos wanted a different 10/10 woman in bed every night, he could get it. Easily. Probably multiple 10/10s, easily. We were just talking about getting laid, not whether or not the women genuinely found him hot or sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 12:13 PM
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He is top 1% in wealth and status and makes most other wealthy high status people look like peasants or broke beggars. He's not upper percentile in looks but he looks normal enough that it doesn't matter b/c his wealth and status is off the charts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:57 AM
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Most rich men don't have trouble getting laid, even if many women may be just into them for their money. Even then, there are women who can come to love men genuinely if it's within the framework of him being a great and powerful provider. Bezos is the 2nd richest man in the world right behind Musk. Literally zero possibility he has trouble getting any - if he wants. If he decides to stay with an unfaithful wife who fucks other guys behind his back it's totally voluntary and on him for being a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:54 AM
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It's a matter of degree. Being well off usually isn't enough to make someone high value. But he's constantly either the richest or 2nd richest man in the world. So yes in this case, it's enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:51 AM
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Just b/c women now are free and unconstrained to exercise more options and opportunities and "be themselves" doesn't mean a lot of women aren't deluded as to their own value. Eg dating apps are mostly male so female hypergamy becomes more apparent with at least some version of the 80/20 rule, so since even subpar women may get DMs from Chads you get armies of women who think they are on his level and deserve nothing less in terms of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:01 AM
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I'm literally almost always arguing in favor of men on here dumbass. LItErAlLy sTaHp So CrInGe! 40+ gfs sure thing bud doesn't count if they're inflatable or you can flip them over to the cool side.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:20 AM
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I don't know about "control" but yes women do definitely have it easier than men in dating. But the title of the OP is loaded as if women are being malicious or trying to ruin men's lives when it's just reaching - and ultimately mate-seeking behavior in this sense goes both ways anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 04:05 AM
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Adhere to traditional feminine gender roles, stick to your own league in terms of looks, but be picky about personality and ethics/moral framework. Even if women don't stay with these guidelines, I honestly rarely see women struggling to secure commitment no matter their circumstances. I can count the number of perpetually single women I know on one hand, and who knows how much of this is actually voluntary.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:06 AM
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I mean if guys are constantly trying to get sex from girls, aren't they baiting women to become used up whores and single mothers. I dunno.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 08:15 PM
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I agree socialization and exposure play a huge role in framing and influencing what people find desirable. There are still plenty of average looking men in commercials and movies and still plenty of average if not busted looking musicians though. Most of music is not kpop or boy bands - if that's what you're even into.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 10:35 PM
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This is a disingenuous answer because it's clear that people won't talk or respond to these men while bringing up issues of self esteem or self-worth - the real problems and voids in these men's lives and hearts. By saying "just get an escort", you literally are just assuming the premise that sex will solve their problem and also you are disregarding the bigger problem(s).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 10:30 PM
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At the core men who struggle with dating, including incels, obviously do want sex but ultimately want the validation of their very damaged sense of self-worth - a sense that they are worthy of being loved and valued. Aside from a temporary delusionary high escorts will not provide this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 10:27 PM
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With the pill ideology(s) becoming more mainstream, who would disagree with this? The male counterpart to the slut is the simp. The difference being at least so far simps are not shamed nearly as much because society needs men to wife up and give their money to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 03:49 AM
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I don't understand questions like this and this one has obviously also been asked many times. Is it really that complex? Most straight men will always feel a deeply biological need and attraction toward women. This doesn't stop them from feeling frustration, hate, and resentment b/c they perceive that they are slighted or that the women in their lives and society are entitled, toxic, etc. For many men, success with women or a fulfilling relationship is not just a way to fulfill needs of sex, bon…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 03:39 AM
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.....maybe I don't have a problem with people deciding what they like, as that's fucking obvious. In this thread, I'm talking about people saying they want one thing when they mean another, or people saying they want one thing because they don't want to appear shallow. The amount of women I've come across who've said they don't like or care about muscles only to fixate and gravitate toward fit muscular men (who aren't "muscular" in their eyes bc they aren't roided up) is insane. If you wanna deb…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:40 PM
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The bottom line is when women say they don't like muscles and like slimmer guys, they still have a guy in mind with decent muscle tone and athleticism as her ideal - he doesn't need to be ripped or bulging. Perhaps you're an outlier, in which case it doesn't matter compared to the countless examples I've witnessed. Here's one thing I know for sure. I've heard of women rejecting men because they're too short, too tall (even), too skinny, too fat. Unless he's a roided freakshow, I have never heard…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:06 AM
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....yes...the very definition of athleticism requires a decent degree of toned high quality muscle. So you like leaner guys but you don't like abs even though lean guys are more likely to have visible abs than probably a lot of guys with more muscle. Like I said, a lot of you are just in the dark with how bodies work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 05:44 AM
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.....this is exactly what I'm talking about. As if somehow liking muscles means the guy's muscles are too big...or that he's...not lean? LOL. The vast majority of women who tell me they like "leaner" or "skinny" guys always cite a body that is still very much athletic (definitely not soft or skinny fat) despite being obviously slimmer than someone who puts in serious time at the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:58 AM
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Maybe you're an outlier then. Most women look quite different with makeup especially the way it's applied as per the trends these days. But my point is more that the sexes take for granted the effort put in by the opposite sex and are unaware of the work required to keep presentable or attractive. Women take fit men for granted and think it's just an average body, men look at women with makeup and think it's just a normal fresh face, or complain about her taking too much time with hair and prepa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:35 AM
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Why do you think exposure and socialization is only available for the sake of women? What I mean is there is this purposeful exposure and socialization to equate fat or unconventional looking women as healthy and attractive, but no such thing exists for men. Honestly, I can't think of the last time I saw a man being represented whenever Health At Any Size popped up. Women seem to be more likely to change their minds about a guy after getting to know him a bit than the other way around. Ok so att…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:31 AM
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Attraction to an extent can be negotiated or is at least very malleable, because dating and sexual preferences have a large exposure and socialized component. Everyone is interested in policing and influencing how you think about politics, socio-economic issues, and everything else but somehow who you want to date and fuck was formed in a vacuum? Unsurprisingly, "it's just my preference" is used whenever convenient. Personally my own preferences have shifted many times, to the point where my ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:16 AM
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Women be like "I don't like muscles, I like men on the slim side like Brad Pitt in Fight Club" and "I don't like fit men, I like dadbods like Jason Momoa when he's not preparing for a movie." It's a perfect analogy to when men say "I don't like women who wear makeup, I prefer the natural look" then point to a picture where the woman has full makeup on but just doesn't have contouring and eye shadow up the ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:24 AM
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Re: not being desired sexually, again the problem a lot of men have is society gaslighting them and telling them it's their own fault for not being sexually desirable. E.g. 'Just work on your personality' 'Don't be a creep' 'Get some hobbies' 'Join a club' 'Take a shower, get a haircut'. A little understanding would go a long way. Also, fat women not naturally being desired also can't be helped but you have again, campaigns and movements to normalize and glorify fat bodies, or at least, all type…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:59 AM
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I can't speak for all men here but I'm going to speak for men here lol and say the gist of it isn't that women don't have problems, it's that society gives a shit about their problems, they have campaigns, assistance programs, popular culture and zeitgeist and politics on their side, and tells men to go fuck themselves, if they can't hack it it's all on them and not anyone else's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 11:56 PM
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I mean more like it's depressing to women (like the person I was responding to) when they realize how shallow men are in this sense. Women are shallow too obviously, but male shallowness is more likely to be the bane of female existence and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 11:15 PM
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"Niche is pronounced 'neesh' not 'nitch'" - Fredrik Neetchy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:13 PM
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I think to rephrase it's not that self esteem isn't an issue if the woman is bored. It's that the hotness of the woman would override any self esteem issues at play. Which may still sound depressing but has a different nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:10 PM
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Guys jerk off regularly to pictures and videos of attractive women they will never meet in their lifetime, so I don't think boredom is as much of a deterrent for most men as one would think.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:06 PM
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I wouldn't say he's a 4 but he fits right into that category of men who aren't ugly but aren't anything to look at either thus invisible. Statistically speaking if you're comparing him to all men he's probably higher b/c he's relatively young and not fat, but you know that's not how women see men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:00 PM
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I only see a picture of one dude. And that's a much more normal expected preference since he actually looks like a grown ass adult man. I was going off of a previous post in your history with all the pictures of men who were technically of age but looked like they had just started high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:54 PM
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I get your point about the averages thing yeah. Why not starfish 7 then lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:50 PM
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LOL no. A guy has to look like he's in middle school again according to your post history. Don't justify it by saying you just have 'high standards' and must resort to settling. Your standards are not normal or respectable or 'high'.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:42 PM
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Not the most fair of questions. Should be more like a starfish 10 vs an enthusiastic 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:39 PM
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Then it's not the men's fault for not meeting your standards, it's that you have mental issues and your standards are abnormal and messed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:35 PM
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There's a reason why the trope of men being simple animals and women being complicated and impossible to please exists. Women initiate most breakups and divorces for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:32 PM
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That's bc judging from your post history your type is guys who look like they're 13. It's only going to get worse for you as you get older lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:24 PM
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If you're 20 and in a relationship with him it's fine to get married at 27 but you need to figure out if he's on board well before that if that's what you want. Like when you're 22.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:14 PM
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Women don't know that guys can get hotter? If they aren't being disingenuous and deceptive that's even worse. They're just straight up stupid then. I'm going to give women more credit than that and stick with b/c they don't want to sound shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:04 PM
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Right, obviously, but the discussion is more about what these top-tier women actually want or decide on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:00 PM
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Common traits I see in the men the cream of the crop women select or end up with are tall, charismatic and well connected. They may not necessarily be the most fit, the smartest or the most handsome, but the first three seem to dominate. Basically people who fit that young CEO vibe, to make an exaggeration.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 04:59 PM
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Women who say they don't like muscles are either lying, don't want to admit it, insecure so they try to put down fit men, or like OP says deluded and ignorant as to what they actually mean - with plenty of women I've talked to agreeing. When they say "eww I don't like muscular guys" and are serious about it, they are referring to roided out freakshow meatheads. Straight women as a group will always flock to and love naturally muscular fit men. In the same way again men go "I don't like women wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 04:55 PM
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The point is that in this day and age women overestimate their worth and think they can gain commitment from men in higher leagues when a lot of these men will only use these women for sex and nothing more. Even while knowing this in the back of their heads, because it's in their biology women cannot help but continue to chase higher level men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:37 PM
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Well if you ask a lot of men who subscribe to pill ideology they would say the sexual market is in such a state where most men, even self-respecting men of higher value, are forced to date or commit downward. Not saying I agree completely, but that's what many would say.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:31 PM
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I don't follow. There are women who enjoy keeping it casual and men looking for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:09 PM
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I've heard more than a few women now IRL complain about their "situationships" implying it's the guy's fault for not stepping up or making it official lol. If it all started with just casual sex and he hasn't said anything related to LTR, it's not his obligation to do so and you're stupid for staying in contact with him if you actually want commitment confirmed but haven't brought it up. Something something about women tryin to lock down Chad while refusing to associate with guys on her level.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 09:49 PM
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Ya there's def a middle ground. If you use it to the extreme she's gonna either lose any interest she had for you or assume you're not interested at all and you won't even be in her category of consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 09:27 PM
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It's true. Hot women also are used to all men giving them loads of attention so when you withhold attention from them it makes them curious and more open to you - like 'what does this guy have going on that he's not even looking my way?'. I'm not into that RP negging shit but passive tactics like strategically ignoring them absolutely work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 08:27 PM
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So the self-improvement thread is mostly about diet or fitness. Was searching for posts about things like taking up the accordion at 30 but came up empty.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 08:03 PM
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I don't know how shitty your life is, but even in terms of garbage hobbies that waste time there's more that you could be doing than watching Friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:46 PM
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Now I'm pretty sure 15%-20% of both sex's if they disappeared the world would be a better place. That's a generous estimate lol. I'd say about half (probably more tbh) people are just stupid delusional braindead leeches who lack self awareness among other tools. And sure, I'm probably one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:44 PM
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Being socially awkward definitely hurts men wayyyy more than it hurts women in dating, because social competence, intelligence, status, and versatility are key traits women look for and are especially attracted to. It doesn't help that current generations are growing up perpetually online so their social skills development is either severely stunted to nonexistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:44 PM
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Men are obviously shallow, but why the fuck would health not factor into many of their preferences, especially long-term preferences? Why wouldn't men with purposely healthy lifestyles want a partner with a healthy lifestyle?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:41 PM
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It's rough for autistic or socially awkward men for sure. Being socially awkward hurts men a lot more than it hurts women, and I have seen many many good looking guys who still struggle with dating because they give offputting or creepy vibes despite it being unintentional. Also just because looks get their foot in the door it's a constant battle to stay inside as there will be plenty of opportunities for them to be ghosted due to said reasons. It's proof that looks matter but social skills matt…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:37 PM
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Have yet to see a blue haired feminist who's actually hot. They dye their hair and do all that "look at me I'm so different" attention-getting BS for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:32 AM
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If you're ugly, that's gonna hurt your chances a lot, but that's not why the vast majority of men who struggle in dating are struggling. That's where all the comments about being socially inept come in. The incels are a perfect example, many of them are autistic and lack any social networks or support, and may come from broken families. They also have super toxic attitudes and fixate on things like looks and the blackpill, so you know they are putting effort into looking good or normal. I've als…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:17 AM
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Pretty boys (e.g. e-boys, boy band members) actually look very masculine with defined chiseled features. They are masculine looking guys (with maybe a feminine feature here and there like large eyes or full lips) with good grooming, hair, styling and skincare. Men with actual feminine features, soft unshaped faces and bodies, are ignored or invisible. Literally every example of a "pretty boy" in media that is popular among women fits the former description. They simply just aren't overly bearded…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 03:16 AM
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2nd mistake is assuming men and women should have the same standards. Why do women hold men to higher standards regarding career and height? When's the last time you saw someone call a 5'5" woman a hypocrite for wanting a man who's at least 5'9"? Why do many women naturally seek a man who makes more and is of higher societal standing no matter where she currently is? Why does being socially awkward and quiet hurt men in dating so much more? Almost like there is some innate biology involved. Not …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 03:12 AM
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It's not as common sense to impressional young boys or men as everyone seems to like to think (Looks matter, duh). I don't know why it's so hard to understand. Guys - aside from a very small minority of men who are just incelly POS - struggling with women aren't struggling because they aren't nice enough. It's more likely to do with their looks or lack of social skills and awareness. Instead, we give them empty platitudes like 'be kind, be respectful", which is to me a good thing to be objective…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 04:02 PM
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Absolutely not. Even with all this blackpill noise going around online most men are not putting in enough effort to be physically attractive and are still buying into bluepill prescriptions. Just take a look around at the men you see on the street or in random public establishments. How hard does it look like they are trying? Even in upper-middle class looks and status conscious areas. Genetics aside most men just look skinny fat or chubby with hair and dress like it was an afterthought. Men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 12:18 PM
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I mean yeah, men who have few options have few options for a reason, and it's bc they suck with women or people so ofc they are more likely to screw up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 12:16 PM
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I agree, but I think OP may have meant there isn't a new burgeoning hookup culture that's bigger and more prevalent than what already exists in terms of people just having casual sex here and there. You do read a lot about how this is supposedly a new and problematic thing thanks to the convenience of online dating, social media trends, hedonism and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 12:13 PM
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From responses it seems like there are more women who would entertain the thought (or wouldn't mind) of being reborn a man than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 12:04 PM
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Sadly, being an asshole can help a lot of men because a lot of women, due to personal issues, trauma, or just the state of things, mistake assholery for confidence, proof of worth, excitement, drama, and such. But even when you exclude these examples, the point I've been hammering for so many responses now is that the majority of these men are already nice and already know how to "treat women right". It is useless because your statement does not help them. How does telling a typical genuinely ni…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 11:47 AM
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Yeah that's the typical strawmen of assuming all these men are just toxic edgelord incels when there are many kind well-meaning men who just suck at dating b/c they don't have the right well-adjusted extroversion, conversational skills, or look. Most people will just tell these guys to try harder, be patient or maybe stop acting creepy, which is why TRP is necessary. It's also why a lot of men may feel bitter - because they've been given the wrong advice their entire lives, by their friends, fam…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 02:58 AM
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Thx for the comprehensive answer, you've given this a bit of thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 10:03 PM
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That's a useless statement since the nice boring guys can enjoy the plus of being nice all they want, they still aren't going to have any success versus assholes without this plus who have excelled in other areas. If these niceguys are to be helped, it's to tell these men to work on these areas, which is the entire purpose of the redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 10:00 PM
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You say women don't want assholes, when it's more like there are many many women who would prefer an attractive masculine man who's also nice, but if he's attractive and masculine but not that nice it's good enough. Nice and knowing how to treat a woman right alone, however, is not good enough. The fact that the optimum is hot and nice is beside the point and disingenuous. Because clearly, it's not that women "don't want" assholes since they will still date them all day all night over a boring n…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:46 PM
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Makes sense. I've heard similar things from men who say not having a dick would suck if they were reborn as a woman. 'fun to play with' et al Not just sexually, but like making circles and drawings when pissing in snow and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:31 PM
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Why do you like having boobs? Is it b/c they attract men, or do you just think they look nice/cool. I've heard from a lot of women that pragmatically speaking on a daily basis they can be annoying (sweat, discomfort, ergonomics and such).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:26 PM
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That applies to a lot of incels. Even if you're goodlooking the awful and awkward social skills and interactions that come with autism are instant death.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:22 PM
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Or being a pig. With 30 minute orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:18 PM
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For purposes of discussion, what do you think you would enjoy about being a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:12 PM
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The thing that is weird to me is that if you're a top tier man sure I would understand loving it but a lot of these men who complain are presumably the ones saying they are getting passed over for Chad, but at the same time prefer being a man to being a woman. Like I said it's probably just b/c it's familiar but maybe they believe being a woman is easier on paper but secretly they wouldn't want to put up with all the bullshit (eg high beauty maintenance, periods, drama and navigating social situ…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:10 PM
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I've seen a lot of men complain about how easy women have it and how society is gynocentric and making it hard for men (I don't necessarily disagree), but at the same time say they are glad they are born men and wouldn't want to be reborn as a woman. Do the women here feel the same way? Eg do a lot of you feel like men are babies, entitled, privileged, aren't burdened with as much but at the same time you wouldn't want to be reborn as a man either. If so what are your reasons? I think it's just …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:00 PM
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A nice guy who is masculine will outperform a dickhead who is masculine. If we discard the traumatized or broken women who actively seek out toxic men, I generally agree with this. But whenever I hear "Women actually like nice guys" especially in the context of this sub it sounds extremely pointless because niceguys and men struggling with dating can't do anything with this information. If there are traits (masculinity, status, social and conversation skills, looks) required before a woman will …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 08:49 PM
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Okay, so what use is this info of yours then? The vast majority of discussion on this sub is framed in the context of pill-based ideologies designed to function as a guide for dating and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 08:40 PM
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If you have to be attractive to her first before the niceness matters at all, the statement "women like nice guys who treat them right" is fairly worthless especially if you're trying to dispense dating advice to groups of men who are struggling to get their foot in the door. Literally all that bullshit should be replaced in mainstream dating advice with social skills, looks, and status maxxing. The nail in the coffin is that it literally takes zero skill set development to just be nice to someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 08:23 PM
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It's not that all women want assholes (some do), it's that if you're attractive enough, with good social skills, or have enough masculinity and confidence, it doesn't matter if you're nice or a dickhead. Being nice is just a bonus for a lot of women but if he doesn't have the masculine traits it doesn't matter how "right" he treats her; if he has the masc traits having a shitty personality won't hurt him. If we're going to be honest with men struggling in dating it makes sense to talk red pill p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 08:13 PM
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As they say, there isn't a straight man in the world who gives a fuck if a woman wears the same dress twice to a formal event.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 04:55 AM
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If being a overly nice pushover attracted women, all men would do that. Playing games and being kind of a dickhead, but not really one to the point that it's problematic, are what works in today's shallow hedonistic dating culture, so that's what more men will increasingly be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 04:51 AM
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I don't see men asking that women get with men they aren't attracted to. I do see complaints and diatribes about the state and trends of society that have caused women to become privileged and entitled to the point of not settling for men in their own league. I see complaints about how power structures have come to be gynocentric and empathetic to the struggles of women while assuming when men struggle (with dating or otherwise) it's due to a fault of character, ethics or drive. It's funny how w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 12:46 AM
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There's that idea going around that the hottest women also don't care as much about looks b/c they don't feel the need to be validated or 'seen with' a goodlooking hunk. Status and money however is another issue. However, one thing I've noticed from the 10/10 women and the men they date is that they are usually TALL. Faces ranging from 'ehh, whatever' to good. So I guess that's a part of looks. There's a similar thing some women have said online how it's not like the ugly guys are nicer or bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 12:34 AM
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Shermannnn!.....What the fuck are you doing here??
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 04:39 AM
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What? LOL I mean they might in reality bring nothing but who's actually answering posts with "I bring nothing."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 10:11 PM
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So we aren't allowed to bring up issues about race now which are inherently tied to issues about dating and gender dynamics? Too uncomfortable I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 09:49 PM
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Regardless of what the reality is, it's hard to take arguments seriously that just say something dismissive like "It works for them/they can do it, so what's the problem?" B/c the underlying premise is that surrounding problems and societal factors exist that need to change. If you don't think the problems are real, then argue/explain why you think that is - like you kind of did with the wage gap issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 09:42 PM
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If white men can get what they want, what's wrong with that? Yeah that's what you sound like operating on the premise that nothing is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 08:59 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 08:59 PM
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lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 08:05 PM
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Since you're probably 5 years old, I don't blame you. Your cerebral cortex will increase in size with time, have a good summer and hope you enjoy 1st grade.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 07:53 PM
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....Is it difficult to believe that fat men are shit on and ridiculed in society and also often in relationships. I'm the puzzled one here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 07:49 PM
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Plenty of fat men in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 07:44 PM
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Ever been inside a Walmart?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 07:38 PM
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All this talk of "the market dictates how attractive you are". Just sweeps all of the actual problems ripe for discussion under the rug, like female entitlement and delusion. It's not even hyperbole in this analogy to give examples of people saying "It's not wrong or messed up to see (insert race or sex) as lesser and inferior beings. Regardless of reality and objective metrics, that's their taste and how they think."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 07:16 PM
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They barely see them what?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:50 PM
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The mainstream popularity of the 'dadbod' as often referenced originated from some article written by some sorority airhead pick-me trying to sound edgy and different by presenting herself as someone who liked men who had let themselves go a little bit despite not being entirely a lardass. Her reasons were something like feeling less intimidated or worried that he would be hit on by other women, and also that it meant he didn't mind having fun, didn't shun beers and pizza, and would pay more att…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:36 PM
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Women shit on fat men all the time, what are you talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:33 PM
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Yo-yo dieting is a myth. A quick google search brings up this random link: https://steven-m-kemp.medium.com/does-yo-yo-dieting-really-damage-your-metabolism-5068b26f130f Honestly if our bodies were so naturally great at conserving calories and energy starvation would hardly ever be an issue throughout most of human history; it's only in recent times that excess food is actually the problem, which is why rich people are more likely to be thin and poor people fat when in most of history it was obv…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:02 PM
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It's natural for exercise to make you more hungry because your body needs the extra energy for recovery. You can still eat just enough for your body to fulfill those needs and not more. A good workout actually suppresses appetite for a couple hours or more afterward because your body is busy with post exercise-related metabolic processes and doesn't want you to concern yourself with digestion. Burning 500 calories in the gym and then eating 500 calories still nets you a positive because of the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:57 PM
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What is this bullshit about 'working out' or 'exercising' being good for health but not actually helping weight loss. Exercise increases over basal metabolism, and burns calories (more than during the actual exercising) for hours afterward due to metabolic changes and recovery/growth, alters and improves mitochondric activity within cells, and so on. This goes doubly so if you lift weights, because weightlifting itself burns very little calories but requires a lot of energy (and food) afterward …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 03:18 PM
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That's why gender equality is bullshit, bc the genders aren't inherently biologically equal on average. Most women innately want a protector or provider in comparison to themselves, no matter how accomplished or financially successful they themselves are. Hence the wave of college educated women who are having problems finding men more educated than them; why would this be even an issue if women didn't care tremendously about dating men higher on the ladder and ignoring men otherwise? Gender rol…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 03:14 PM
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LOLLL and people seriously wonder why our modern society is so degenerate. How many hoops does your brain have to jump through to conclude that the average flabby American who can't jog an easy mile without passing out - the most likely profile of someone with a BMI of over 25 - is actually at the top of the heap in terms of health, JFL.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 08:29 PM
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Ah yes the token BMI-isn't-an-accurate-measure-of-health response in every one of these posts. Unless you're a heavily muscled athlete with a very specific training plan in tow, in which case it would be obvious that you don't have a fat problem (unless you're one of those fat powerlifters), 99.9% of the time in our sedentary modern society if your BMI is higher than recommended you could stand to shed some pounds. Well over half of western society isn't walking around with high BMIs because of …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 03:44 AM
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I mean taste is always inherently significantly affected by outside influence or environmental factors and exposure, so the CMV is hardly unique to modern women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 03:33 AM
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Depends on who you ask. You hear a lot of men online say it's because women refuse to settle for men in their league and keep trying to lock down men better than them due to hypergamy even though those men won't commit. Others say entitlement, boss girl feminist culture and all that. If you ask me people will always be inherently dissatisfied no matter how good they have it or fortunate they are. Unhappiness comes from the gap between expectations and reality so maybe there's that as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 01:36 AM
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I get the fear of being hurt. I'm just saying it's kinda weird to hear "I have no success in dating" from people who purposely isolate themselves, for whatever reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 07:59 PM
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My criteria is a woman who isn't really ugly, objectively speaking, isn't truly insane and isn't almost obssesed with money and certainly expecting me to solve all her finantial problems. This is the bit the person (with the deleted comment) was responding to...by just angrily rambling on about how looks aren't objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 07:57 PM
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...I was talking about the person responding to your post and defending your post lol. You were simply stating your modest standards and they responded by just criticizing your "objectively not ugly" remark by rambling about how looks aren't objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 07:56 PM
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A very significant portion of beauty is subjective and from socialization and exposure, there's also another part that is objective or more innate, and while the post is deleted anyway it's just more like completely beside the point to harp on in a response to a guy just listing out his modest standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 07:28 PM
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A lot of men don't care if the woman is "boring" or not that interesting but maybe those types of men don't appeal to you. But you said you hate dating and you're a shut-in so that factors in a lot - but it is weird to hear you say you shun dating and then talk about not having success in dating lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 07:10 PM
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Dating since the dawn of time has always been the onus on men to entertain or charm women like a court jester. Modern tech like OLD has just made it much more unbalanced due to women having access to way way more potential men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 07:03 PM
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The reason why incels and femcels can't just date each other is b/c the main problem 99% of the time isn't their looks, it's their social incompetence, mental illness and deep-seated issues, hatred, and lack of trust toward the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 06:59 PM
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Also, when there is no shortage of thirsty guys and simps, sometimes Chads, hooking up or associating with women it's pretty easy for low quality women to still think they have a chance. You hear about Chads refusing to commit but when Chad is still hitting you up in the DMs it's hard to be realistic about your potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 06:55 PM
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If you're decent looking and haven't had success (and assuming you have been trying) you must come across as a complete spaz, creep, or crazy person. I would even say this if you were a man, but you're a woman, so that goes doubly so. In your defense you might just be painfully painfully awkward or shy and just run away at the slight hint of interaction but that goes against the premise of you actually wanting to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 06:49 PM
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Yeah I mean the gist is it's easier for women to be "single" because it's easier for them to get FWB or casual sex and flings, but I would agree both men and women define single the same way for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 12:24 AM
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They complain about it bc they don't want it to catch on and become popular among even the men they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:35 AM
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This has to be one of the biggest baddest coolest magnanimousest raddest strawmen I've ever seen on Reddit and that's saying a lot lmao. And you typed all that out with a straight face too I bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 05:16 PM
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I mean...technically those three real reasons OP listed still qualify as and amount to "emotional satisfaction" lol *welp A woman doesn't feel good emotionally or psychologically when she perceives her man is (or has become) a boring broke loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 05:09 PM
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That’s not really true. I think you’re just thinking of two different women. Most women who want men to earn more and have more status, and all that actually are more traditional. If it was really one way or the other, I don't think men would have as much of a problem with it. Problem is I don't think there is a shortage of women who like to cherrypick from both traditional and progressive role prescriptions to suit them as they wish. E.g. wanting their own money and spouting anti-traditionalist…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 05:05 PM
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I was not being hyperbolic though. I really believe white women living in western progressive liberal countries are the most privileged group in the world. I don't want to go as far to say it's like playing on tutorial mode because regardless of what group you're in it's possible to be very unlucky and lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 04:59 PM
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Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 04:54 PM
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I feel you should think about your beliefs some more as well and try to be more analytical you know you might find something important or revealing it's always good to think outside the box critical thinking so important!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 02:56 AM
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It's possible. But I won't bc I've thought about it enough and seen enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 02:15 AM
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Keep going if you are reading their actions as willing and stop if this changes, like they start to physically resist or say no......or is this too logical and old fashioned in today's sociopolitically charged shitstorm?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 01:43 AM
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Anything is possible. Is it possible I'm wrong, yes. Do I think I'm wrong, no. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 01:40 AM
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This sounds fine on paper. I think a lot of men complain that there are so many women nowadays who want their own money, career, friends, life etc. as per in line with progressive ideals but at the same time also want a man to spend their money on her (my money is my money, your money is our money, etc). These women emphasize equality and rail against traditional gender roles then turn and give in to their biology by only liking men with higher paying or higher status careers and other metrics. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 01:34 AM
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If we're talking about long-term commitment rather than just ONS or short term FWB, any unnatural hair dye (eg blue, green, purple, pink), piercings beyond ear piercings, or tattoos. Not saying every woman who has any of these is going to be problematic. It's just, why take the risk? None of these probably qualify as unusual flags though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 07:37 PM
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Postmodern western white women are the most coddled privileged demographic in the history of the world. The fact that there are women in this category sucking in life despite having the colossal overall backing of the media, social services and clout, government and political narrative says a lot. Aside from those born into excessively unfortunate individual circumstances, how do you lose, I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 04:29 PM
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They don't like it if it's taken to the extreme, and they like moderately muscular fit men but at the same time are oblivious to the effort or take it for granted. Much in the same way men express annoyance with women and time spent on makeup and hair and talk about liking the natural makeup free look. But once a woman neglects these things men say she looks tired and unattractive and are repulsed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 04:15 PM
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I'm not necessarily of the opinion that if you have a choice it's more ok to be criticized (or that lack of choice makes one immune), but that's not the topic here and for what it's worth thx for clarifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 04:10 PM
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If anything media makes American men (and men in general) look stupid and shitty. In what movie or shows do you see women much less specifically American women being ridiculed?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 04:04 PM
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I'm assuming bc from observation it's rampant to the point that it seems like everyone does it. Many people of all ideological types don't identify as idiots or radicals but speak in absolutes all the time, simply because they don't end everything they say with "Not all _____________ though." And they shouldn't have to as I said. It's not just guys saying AWALT, it's also men responding to feminists with "not all men", white people saying "not all white people". Usually when POC (e.g. non-radica…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 02:50 PM
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That's obvious, but then liberal women go on to criticize the ideology of loser men who strive to be chad and say it doesn't work and just to be nicer (and more liberal!).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 05:18 PM
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It's pretty damn hard to make arguments for your beliefs or ideology without speaking in some sort of absolutes, with the implication that exceptions obviously exist. That's why you have people saying "___________ aren't a moNoLiTh" and then going on to make generalizations about entire groups themselves - usually the groups they are against or criticizing. So the "not a monolith" thing is pointless basically and should be inherently understood for those above a room temp IQ or debating in good …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 04:17 PM
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Women don't care as long as it's just loser men going overseas. When it becomes more mainstream and even the men they want are doing it, the tune will change.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 04:16 PM
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I'm saying almost every straight man would fuck an objectively 6/10 stranger. A significant percentage of women would not fuck an objectively 10/10 stranger. The most attractive men on dating apps still don't get as much attention as slightly above average women. These 10/10 men are obviously still more attractive than the 6/10 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 09:12 PM
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You can't compare men and women in this sense is what I'm saying. There are women out there who straight up won't fuck Henry Cavill given the chance because they don't feel any deeper connection with him or he's not their type despite acknowledging he's conventionally attractive. Can you say the same about a woman who's only a 6/10 but willing to have zero strings sex? How much digging would you need to do to find a sane straight man who would say no? Again, b/c men and women are different, not …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 08:23 PM
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With neutral/zero context, many men will find a 4/10 (or lower) female stranger attractive enough to fuck no strings attached. Many women won't find a 6/10 (or higher) male stranger attractive enough to fuck no strings attached. There are even women who, if taken for their word, are incapable of feeling attraction toward men without knowing anything else about them no matter how good he looks. These are due to the biological differences in how men and women are affected by sexual desire. By your…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 08:02 PM
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Masculine liberal men are basically conservative in terms of gender roles but liberal bc fuck the man fight the power and they wanna grow pot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 07:52 AM
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Pretty sure even if they say male SMV peaks later the solution isn't to just sit around and get fat and broke and do nothing until then. I don't know how anyone could read any RP material at all and come away with thinking that this is advice to stay idle and wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 07:34 AM
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Or that it's not just the dad being away at work, there is often no dad at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:51 AM
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I wasn't actually abused by my parents in the definitive sense, but there was plenty of less-than-ideal stuff that may have been well-intentioned but ultimately damaging. It's more subtle but nevertheless to me still apparent when looking back. I was also bullied (many kids were) and didn't get out especially much. But in the end, especially in this day and age with the media noise nonstop, how hard is it to realize as a young budding mind that abuse and bullying is bad? Honestly to the point th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:30 AM
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My rationale is you need an inner voice to ensure more complex cognitive processes like long-term planning and reasoning, reciting, and reinforcement of more in-depth material. If they can't or don't do that I don't have much faith in any of their decision-making, or the conclusions they've drawn about life, or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:02 AM
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I wonder if that "fact" that's made the rounds on the internet is true, that 50% of people don't actually have an inner voice. If so no wonder the world is fucked and everyone seems very stupid. They're basically zombies or pond worms.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 11:57 PM
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I always wonder what is the difference between abuse victims who go on to serial date abusive people and in turn abuse their own kids (bc supposedly it's what they innately feel is normal or familiar) vs those who make it a point to avoid the abusive element for the rest of their lives - almost to a pathological degree - and try to raise their kids differently. Me personally, after my early teens it was apparent to me what was "good" and "bad" in my upbringing, including within my formative expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 11:53 PM
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Telling women to pick better and blaming women is a reaction to what is actually more entrenched: the progressive mainstream notion that it's always the man's fault. The idea(s) OP are against are obviously more common in online manosphere or RP circles, both which are again reactionary to the zeitgeist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 06:41 PM
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People have different tastes obviously, but it's still hard to shake the fact that some people just have shitty taste and observation. If you visit the doppelgangers sub you'll realize just how blind and inobservant people are (you look like (insert celeb) because of your hairstyle!) Anyway, if someone with shitty taste is drawn to a ratfaced 3/10 and not into a 10/10, how valuable is the 10/10 in that scenario anyway. On the other end, if you aren't attracted to men it's pretty disingenuous and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 06:32 PM
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Honestly fair enough. Being white is a huge bullshit halo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 06:24 PM
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That's why there's no such thing as double standards for this topic. Men and women are attracted to different criteria in each other, so therefore the standards are not the same anyway, and should not be the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:52 AM
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I'm not saying both truths can't coexist but I've heard the thing about the fashion industry and gay men many times and can't help but feel surprised since studies and articles often show gay men as constantly wanting to fit a hypermasculine ideal. I also remember reading that the men gay men are attracted to are often more masculine than the men straight women like. I suppose it's also possible that gay men like hypermasculine men but want themselves to be skinny or waiflike as an opposite or c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:50 AM
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I figured but hard to tell with reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:45 AM
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If you're 6'2 with a 6 face and having a hard time you must be very socially fucked up and incompetent. A 6'2 6/10 who has average to decent social skills does not struggle with women. The difference between a 5'8 6/10 and a 6'2 6/10 in dating success is gigantic. You're effectively an 8 with your height and should be able to regularly land commitment with at least 7/10s.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:34 AM
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Why wouldn't it be the reverse. Tough foods and playing outside are the opposite of what the younger generations are eating and doing. The technology and means are there but sloth and convenience rules all. Innate genetics aside chads aren't molded via comfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:31 AM
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It's not cheating if she's from a different area code, and def not if it's a different galaxy code.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:28 AM
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Weak troll effort that doesn't even make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:26 AM
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Maybe OP's point is that even the most promiscuous women out there sans a select few aren't racking up gigantic body counts by their 30s as per a popular manosphere narrative. I've known some slutty ass women and observed it to be somewhat true. It can get bad, but nowhere near as bad as they say, statistical anomalies aside.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:22 AM
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Even Henry Cavill isn't immune lol. I've heard quite a few women say they don't find him that attractive. I would chalk this up to denial but they turn and simp for other male celebs I would not expect. People can also be just inobservant, glib or stupid when assessing looks but regardless they like what they like. Sometimes when you hear a female friend look at a photo of Alain Delon in his prime and say he looks like "just a basic white man" you question just how much you should care about oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:14 AM
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Many people nowadays have a very entitled individualistic approach to daily life and come across as either arrogant or stuck in their own bubble, treating people like they are invisible if not like shit - unless the person has something they want or is attractive to them. Things like courteous or polite smiles and gestures are a thing of the past, for either side. A lot of men might perceive or take this type of default treatment poorly from women who are mostly on average pickier than men when …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 03:28 PM
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It's not really hard to have friends. You can be an ugly boring piece of shit and still have friends. If you're attractive it just makes it easier, but you can still fuck it up by being socially stunted and awkward. I know plenty of these men. Granted being socially awkward and weird is different from just being neutral or bland.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 03:24 PM
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They might be physically attractive, they might not be. But as you imply it's moot. Back in school you remember the guys with the most attractive women were not necessarily the most attractive themselves, but they all possessed high social proof, versatility, and status. The rebellious trouble makers didn't struggle either, even if that was all they were although there was probably a lot of overlap. This was plain as day.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:33 AM
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shrug it's the same reason why people have things like pride in what they can't or didn't control (in sexual orientation, gender, race, culture). It's a reaction to what they perceive (real or imagined) as years of being told they suck for those uncontrollable reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:31 PM
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The point though being it's a reactionary countermeasure to the years of postmodern progressivism shaming and holding men responsible for things they didn't do also.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:22 PM
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But isn't the appeal of the modeling industry in great part due to its exclusivity? Being bony or rail thin and 6 feet tall were never the norm for women anyway and yet this was still marketed to them as the primary demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:55 PM
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Then why is it either super thin models or [now, apparently] fat ones. You'd think you'd see a lot more normal size everyday looking people in magazines then. Even though personally I don't find a lot of rail thin models attractive, the appeal to many in the industry has always been the exclusive angle. In this sense thinness has been a thing to be worshipped specifically bc it's so uncommon, esp in the west. I don't think anyone today will ever see fatness as an exclusive goal bc it's easy to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:51 PM
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The reality is neither the boss girl strong independent woman trope of the progressive west nor that of Russia. Career and money are a non-issue for straight men looking for a partner. There are a lot of women who like to say men are intimidated by a powerful smart woman but it's much more likely that she just emits a personality that is annoying, arrogant and insufferable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 09:39 PM
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You value what you struggle to get. Most people on reddit suck socially so it's not a surprise men on reddit struggle with getting sex, in addition to dating just being a lot harder for men. Being bad socially hurts men a lot more. You can suck socially as a woman but as long as you're attractive enough casual sex won't be hard to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 08:36 PM
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By them saying what they say and how they say it, it's implied that with those factors and traits they think it's a no-brainer for attracting men. It's different when men say it b/c career and finances matter a lot more to women when searching for a partner than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 08:31 PM
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I'm sure that is the case, but I've also seen my fair share of women complain about men while touting what they view as strengths "well established financially, career-driven, independent, why wouldn't men want me"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 08:24 PM
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There are many traits in women that I find attractive (I'm very straight) that are deemed masculine like height, broad shoulders, tanner skin, or squarer jaws. I think these traits are amazing when combined with conventionally feminine features like higher levels of bodyfat (athletic but not too ripped) and curves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 07:08 PM
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The meme of hunter eyes is weird. A lot of other criteria make sense like facial definition, jawline, height, muscles, and yes, race (still live in a very white-centric world) etc. but I don't think I've ever come across a woman who actually likes those squinty eyes. A lot of my female friends have gushed over men and that has never been a trait I've observed. It's always the bigger friendlier more feminine eyes they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:48 PM
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A lot of tall women seem to dislike that they are tall. I see many conventionally attractive tall women who curiously walk with a slouch or bad posture, maybe from years of trying to look shorter like their peers while growing up. A lot of men also seem averse to tall women. More for me, I love the tall ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:37 PM
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Game is more important than looks, if you consider game is just good social skills and awareness - and by extension social proof and implied status. Looks alone will always help to a degree but game will help more. There are plenty of goodlooking socially stunted men who struggle with women. There are no men with good game (aside from the extremely deformed) who struggle despite what they look like. Men who claim they struggle despite using game are either the unfortunately deformed or they actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:25 PM
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Lots of women project hard with the career/success/respect stuff and get triggered when they aren't taken seriously in authoritative positions. Men dgaf or at least care a lot less about a woman's career and power but women just assume it's important bc they themselves care a lot about that in a man long term. And why does every guy have that mirror phone selfie where they squint to try to look subtly tough and masculine but it just looks like they're holding in a fart or caught a whiff of a bad…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:22 PM
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This makes sense, as a big excuse a lot of women give for dating or getting locked down with shitty men is that they say they did not seem shitty at first or that he didn't show his true colors until later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:45 PM
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Quick google search just yields "degrade to the status of a mere object." Seems broad enough. Happens every single time someone appreciates one person [sometimes over another] purely on physical attributes, which everyone does, especially when initially choosing or vetting potential mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 06:20 PM
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My understanding of objectification is the appreciation and value of physical beauty separate or apart from, an above/over the actual person's personality. Physical attraction is inherently objectifying. I've talked to feminists who straight up agree that women objectify themselves as well as objectify men (because they are humans) but then go straight on talking about how women are objectified in society and how it needs to stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 06:14 PM
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tldr even ugly poor people want goodlooking rich people, and there's only so much that can change in terms of people being more realistic about their options.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 03:35 PM
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With the internet, many people grow up today with zero social skills so it's not a surprise a lot of women find the idea of a cold approach (or talking with any male stranger in public) to be intimidating or terrifying. In addition to this online dating has made it possible to vet men from the safety of their homes with zero social awkwardness, but it's like saying I hate the hassle of going to the store to shop now. I've come to dislike it bc online shopping has made it too convenient and easy …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:17 AM
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Seems like the anecdotes would be self explanatory. Surely you could imagine what they might be? You're right though I am not really motivated to engage you in depth and it matters not that you disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 05:46 AM
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Honestly it doesn't surprise me that men lie more in general or do more bad things (at least in terms of violence or outward actions). I'm talking specifically about women lying about what they want in men in order to appear like good people or because it's the socially acceptable thing to say. Versus men, who are more upfront about what they want. The fact that you googled lying in men vs women from a general standpoint shows how disingenuous you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 05:38 AM
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Lazy ass disingenuous argument about something everyone literally knows is true but doesn't want to talk about it lol. Smh go on now. BuT YoU HaVe No EvIDeNcE
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 05:30 AM
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I don't remember specifics but a quick google search yields widely known tidbits here and there. It was little things that added up like him doing a nazi salute during a show or laughing on a podcast or radio show when the host was doing offensive accents or making fun of japanese people in internment camps, making fun of Ice Spice by making black and asian jokes, as well as a lot of supposedly misogynistic comments about and to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 05:25 AM
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My experiences and observations, the observations of countless other men (and women). No peer-reviewed journal citations, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 05:19 AM
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He's also said and laughed at a lot of problematic shit like japanese people in internment camps and racist jokes about black and jewish people. Would not have such an issue of him being a shitty edgelord if Taylor Swift didn't make such a big deal about her own squeaky clean woke image - and her clueless insufferable left-leaning fans being surprised that she wasn't above it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 05:17 AM
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Which is weird since facially his bastard son looks a lot more like him too and the OP is saying Arnold was never considered a sex symbol bc he is facially ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 02:34 AM
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Bc of algorithms YouTube comments are actually nowadays almost always just positive circle-jerking and actually very little insults or trolling. Depending on your views the comments are either on the mark or despicable, but it's everyone clicking on and watching videos to confirm and reinforce their beliefs. It can be as innocent as people flocking to praise and gush over an obscure celebrity or performer, or as sinister as an extremist ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 02:29 AM
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Or maybe in society women are more often observed to lie about what they want in order to look good, upstanding, or not shallow. Hence watch what they do, not what they say. Of course all people potentially do this, but with women the meme exists for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 09:23 PM
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They mock Peterson b/c they already dislike him for other reasons. Although it's common for say, women who identify as feminists to insult men they dislike by using emasculating insults like micro-dick or pussy, tell them to 'man up' etc that uphold the very toxic masculinity they say they are against.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 07:36 PM
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Since we're going the tradcon route, for a man to commit all his resources, provisions, and protection and labor to a woman for the rest of his mortal life, she should be pretty impressive, not just a woman who exists. This switcheroo feels a lot more relevant to discussion since biologically women are the ones given inherent value and men need to earn it. Why should women have inherent value no matter how mediocre she is if a man is agreeing to give all his time, money, and labor to her forever…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 06:51 PM
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Reminds me of those lists that get passed around about what women would love men to do. eg #4 Surprise her at work with flowers!!~ Lolll yeah....after she's already fucked you, otherwise it's restraining order time and ultimate creepo vibes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 05:10 AM
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There's always a lot of blackpill talk around these parts. From observations re: looks there is one common thing about all the men high-class/status beautiful women choose and it's that they are tall with a good frame. Facially they can be handsome or just whatever but the height and frame is a must. They may not need to be in the best of shape and may even be a little "dad-boddy", but the genetic potential for 6 foot plus, broad shoulders and v-taper needs to be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 01:23 AM
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Average to women means the average in a pool of guys she would ever consider dating or fucking. The actual average is the middle-aged invisible schlubby dude at the grocery store, if not Walmart.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 07:39 PM
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The problem again is we tell men struggling with dating that they need to be nicer or respect women more, or that they aren't "truly nice" and we go down a rabbithole of highlighting all their potential problems. Meanwhile ex-con shitbags pull like no other but society is never ever comfortable with that conversation. I'm not saying being a shithead is a good thing objectively at all, but we aren't being honest with men in any sense, to serve the bullshit current sociopolitical narrative(s).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 07:37 PM
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I interact with mostly young women or just women in general in my social circles but none of them are still in h/s or whatever. Being underweight is extremely uncommon even though not everyone is fat. I'm going to make the assumption you can't be anorexic but still at a normal weight unless you've only been anorexic for like a couple weeks and then go back to not being anorexic. This shit is for privileged white women (or those adjacent) because they don't have any other problems to worry about …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 09:29 AM
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Then why are so many young women not only "not skinny", but actually chubby or fat? You know they aren't lacking in food intake. Being too skinny is not something I would ever label as a prevalent problem in America or the west. Furthermore, the loudest figureheads for things like body positivity or health at any size also seem to be the opposite of this phenotype and aesthetic. I don't buy that having life-threatening anorexia is the same as being a chubby woman with disordered fucked up eating…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 08:47 AM
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It is dangerous. It's also way way way less common in places where noise about body positivity is the loudest, and when it occurs in line with disordered eating it's an upper middle class white woman (or adjacently ie someone with a lot in common with this demographic) with the privilege and luxury of going to extreme lengths to control their weight. I'm more talking about prevalence of a problem versus the volume. Trans people are 1% of the population. Their issues are real but why does it some…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 08:14 AM
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Unfortunate that the damage of these types of things is double pronged (the lives of the accused can be destroyed and also future victims can become more reluctant to step forward) but only the latter was mentioned by the judge. Can't expect anything less from misandrist wokery in this day and age but I'll be fine with it if more of these people are brought to justice.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 08:07 AM
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The fact that body positivity, attention and fear toward eating disorders and 'being too skinny' and all related bullshit has actually been a thing while the west on average gets fatter and fatter is proof mainstream political zeitgeist is coming from a left-wing upper middle class deluded demographic. Even if you aren't some basic upper mid class white girl with disordered eating causing you to be underweight, you are likely to be associated or have many commonalities with them. Nevertheless, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 08:04 AM
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Men and women are held to different standards and gender roles for a reason so it's not a double standard to hold men and women to different criteria. Even if you personally don't believe in them many people, men or women, do and carry these standards when assessing others. It's like saying a 5'4" woman calling a 5'7" man short is doing it out of jealousy lol. Height isn't looked at the same for both sexes, and neither is n count.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 08:57 PM
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This is true. A lot of women I know aren't what I would label as sluts but they do have that one or two guys over a span of many years that they just slept with a couple times - in their defense as far as I know in between relationships for the most part so it wasn't cheating, but there you have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 12:48 PM
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Again the answer is obvious. Too much jealousy infers insecurity amongst other issues and problems and hampers the entire relationship dynamic, too little jealousy or complete absence of it makes people feel like they aren't valued or that their partner is apathetic or cold. Women don't want a guy constantly raging whenever she comes within three feet of other men but they also don't want to say "Hey I'm going to be spending the weekend with my four guy friends at the lodge" and for their guy to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 12:44 PM
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Weird you somehow think "all men are pigs" and "even bi women dislike other bi women" are on the same level. I suppose this is where you fall back on "but I said all people suck".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:27 PM
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Women are more empathetic in general - more likely to exercise empathy and care toward humanity, their communities, and re: for example social or environmental causes, but actually less so in the context of dating and any prospective or current men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:26 PM
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Nobody deserves chivalry or anything and deserve is a pointless trite word. I think OP was saying realistically speaking men exercise chivalry nowadays only to a select group of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:25 PM
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I think this isn't rocket science and also isn't gender or sex specific. Average and underaverage people are treated less well by everyone, with less social privileges and over time it makes people bitter and angry and leads to defense mechanisms and shitty attitudes. Running contrary to societal blue-pill shit like "Personality matters most"...and ofc the gaslighting is worse for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:57 PM
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Compared to a 4/10 man, her prospects for an LTR or marriage are still much much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:50 AM
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I didn't actually look at the video before commenting as it's not relevant to what I was responding/adding to. But in any case in addition facially speaking it's a lot easier for women to be attractive to men than vice versa. A 4/10 woman will still have a significant amount of men willing to date or wife her up if she puts in minimum effort. This doesn't even count all the possible social halos like being thin, being blonde or white, and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:34 AM
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Also why FtM trans people have a much easier time passing than vice versa. At worst FtM will just look like a soft dude...the sexual dimorphism in male skulls makes a lot of MtF look offputting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:52 PM
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Yeah...feminine looking faces (rounder, softer, lacking angularity or male sexual dimorphism), while not always ugly, aren't going to be "hot" to straight women. Before people say but what about those trendy e-boys and kpop guys...yeah, most of them actually have chiseled masculine features. They just also have good skin and hair and style, and specifically they are and look young, and younger women have been attracted to these boy band types since the beginning of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:47 PM
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Your definition of cult is wrong. Look it up. Edit: Also, what do you think TRP is ultimately trying to get men to do that's different from advertised exactly? Come here and learn how women work, so that eventually we can get you in on this lizard people crypto gigapyramid scheme or what? Seeing as how people complain about how TRP is everwhere now with their misogyny seems pretty darn overt to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 02:01 PM
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Most subs are echo chambers and even though PPD is self-styled a debate sub the people in it are no different. Nobody debates to learn or find solutions. They just debate to be right. Nobody (for the most part) starts CMV posts with the intention of ever changing their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:29 AM
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One of the primary characteristics of most cults is exclusivity and secrecy. As far as I can tell from the views of most RPers, the more men know about it the better, and they won't stop talking about it. Regardless of how it started out, RP also doesn't just allow for but encourages personal freedom, agency and independence which also runs counter to the tendencies of most cults. If you're talking about the many shills and people trying to rope men in to make a buck or keep their channels going…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:17 AM
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Women will always desire men who are more successful and accomplished relative to where they are, that's why it's hurting men's chances in dating as women have become more educated and making equally or more money than men. Hence the trope of college educated women with bullshit degrees refusing to date blue-collar men or men less educated, even though a lot of it is illusionary. Modern society is great at ignoring the inherent biological predilections in men and women and likes to pretend we ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:12 AM
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Pick-me's are just female ass kissers and no one likes an ass kisser as it's annoying, cringe and radiates insecurity and self-righteousness, male or female.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 02:27 AM
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Yeah ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 10:35 PM
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Theoretically everyone has different opinions so everyone's values are different but there are undoubtedly a set of core values that are commonly held by everyone of each sex despite individual differences of degree. There are weird women out there who prefer nonwhite socially awkward short men who aren't too goodlooking due to self esteem and security reasons and either on the skinny or chubby side but they are in the minority. Hence a tall jacked white man is well on his way to being deemed hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 01:44 PM
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And yet for the vast majority of men small boobs flat ass are plenty sufficiently attractive given bare minimum effort - as evidenced by the armies of basic white women. There are women out there with such bad faces and other disadvantages that even a lot of effort won't land them anyone, but that is pretty fuckin rare. I guess this is where you shift the blame and conversation to men for having low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 01:24 PM
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At its core TRP is just supposed to open men's eyes to the true nature of women which is contrary to the blue-pilled sugar and spice and everything nice they've been spoonfed their entire lives. At its core TRP is supposed to just treat men as neutral, placing the responsibility of their success with women entirely on their shoulders; i.e. if you aren't succeeding with women, it's your fault or there's more you could be doing to improve yourself. In reality, a lot of TRP content creators and fig…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 01:11 PM
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That's why people are saying it should be normalized to the extent of being required just like how ID checks for a variety of things are normalized for safety, liability, and legal reasons; nobody is talking about being insulted with background checks before purchasing guns, job hiring or showing your driver's license for alcohol. The same should happen with prenups. Prenups and paternity tests need to be normalized and required as a necessity because of the legal binding and implications.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 09:25 PM
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Contrary to popular belief most YouTube comments - at least nowadays - are largely positive I've noticed. Not a good thing...it just reflects how everyone is just tuning in to channels that continue to polarize their views and give them what they already agree with and want to hear. Whether it's politics, nutrition or skincare, fitness, philosophy or other type of social commentary (I'd give the niche hobbyists a pass), it's always shit like "Spoken with undefeatable logic and integrity, we need…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 05:26 PM
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Height is a huge factor. It matters even more than face as long as the face is good enough. The most eyecatching thing when women look into a group of guys at first sight is the tallest guy assuming he isn't a stringbean or obese. 6'5 may be reaching into the "too tall" category but if your face is 6/10 and you're 6'5 you're gigachad easy. Most women I've talked to say they want a combination between "pretty" and "masc" features..from observation I basically take this to mean a well groomed masc…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 04:22 PM
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That's an easy way out disguised as an appeal to logic though. The general trend for men online for example who complain about women's high standards is that if they would just lower their standards and scrap the delusion and overinflated worth society would be better off, they would be happier with more realistic expectations and a man who genuinely cares for them vs a top tier Chad who will just pump and dump, there wouldn't be as many lonely men, and so on. I'm not saying I agree completely, …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 04:25 PM
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The incels with crippling BDD need to fix their social skills and mental health. Autism makes it seem impossible at times, I get it. But re: gym it's honestly hard to find a guy in which hitting the gym wouldn't help. The fact that 8/10 Chad still has a massive head start and will do even better hitting the gym is irrelevant. Relatively speaking from any position a guy starts from, lifting will improve his dating prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 04:14 PM
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Deserve is such a stupid word that everyone throws around in this toxically positive culture we're soaked in that breeds armies of entitled deluded people. "You deserve a loving relationship, you deserve to be happy, you deserve the best" Doesn't matter if a broke guy deserves a beautiful woman or not. He's still gonna want one and it's up to him to see what he can do to improve his chances and be realistic about his expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 04:04 PM
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If you're looking for anything long-term you don't want women who club anyway. I do get there are good women who club occasionally but why take the chance lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 05:53 PM
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A lot of attraction is mental so things like status actually create real tingles - especially coupled with charisma even if the man comes up short physically. I'm more inclined to agree with you though if it's just purely money.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 05:32 PM
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I don't know about "impossible", but I agree money and status will always help an ugly man. He may not be able to appeal to "all" or even most women, but there are way more than enough attractive eligible women who will be ok with it The question though is if the man is okay with knowing that it's the money and status his woman is primarily drawn to and chasing. Lack of social skills is actually a bigger hit, bc it's pretty hard to have shit social skills and high status, but I imagine there are…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 05:31 PM
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> Broke men are ruining dating > buTt ThE WaGe GaP!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 05:42 PM
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In theory there are many potential problems. In practice, wikipedia is pretty stringently checked aside from obvious trolling like typing in dirty words for names. From my experience Wiki has explained concepts such as those in STEM, history or politics way more clearly and thoroughly than many if not most professors at least in terms of undergrad coursework where straight memorization is key. When you get to postgrad a lot of it is more details and specifics in niche subject matter and you are …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 05:23 PM
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jfl your femcel autistic ass still posts here?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:36 AM
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It's simply bc biologically speaking a man's social status, awareness and competence matter so much more to women than the reverse. That's why so many goodlooking men with shit social skills are potential virgins. An autistic woman who meets the low bar of cute enough will still have many suitors.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:08 AM
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It's projection. Women assume men would hate to be the one they take home for ONS and not commit to b/c they would hate to be in that position themselves when in reality it's the opposite for men. To men, being the one women go to for a night of fun shows a genuine validation of attraction and SMV vs someone she'll commit to even though she will merely tolerate him sexually b/c she needs a long term provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:48 AM
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What's your point though. If a fat ugly woman knew of an island full of rich charistmatic 10/10 men who would give them a chance at a LTR I wouldn't blame them for going there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:36 PM
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The funny thing to reiterate again is unless the guy explicitly lied or said he was looking for something serious, he isn't even doing anything morally questionable. If she on the other hand normally is more reluctant to have sex in specific circumstances or earlier than preferable but decides to in order to get him to commit to her, she's actually the sketchy manipulative one, but most of society isn't read for that conversation - as you say, that narrative is still 'that guy used her'.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:48 PM
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Loss of virginity is a possible context, but it isn't the one I was referring to. It's a more general context; women having sex with the hope of a relationship eventually aren't giving it up any more than a guy paying for dinner is giving it up. As it goes without saying, neither action obligates the other to commit or agree to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:21 PM
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It always annoys me to hear women talk about how they "gave it up" in terms of having sex with a guy. If they don't use that phrase directly there is always heavy implication it was a sacrifice or favor. If it's consensual you didn't give it up. Your pussy isn't some special sacred prize. If you had sex with him earlier than you would have otherwise liked - bc you weren't feelin it, because of morals, or bc you didn't want to be seen a certain way - in order to secure commitment, you didn't give…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:05 PM
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I don't know about them being more or less racist but it's just something viscerally repulsive and laughable about someone who shows you one thing and is someone completely different behind closed doors. It's this brand of liberal hypocrisy that tastes especially bad, even if you can argue that liberals on average are less racist or more tolerant than conservatives .
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:47 PM
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Racism is everywhere, but it can taste worse coming from the left or liberals because they virtue signal constantly from a high horse pretending to be tolerant and free of prejudice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:16 PM
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Lol I mean if she already likes you, finds you attractive, or is dating you, the smallest things mean everything. If not, the smallest things raise alarms and the creep radar goes insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:12 PM
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Ofc I have. I also don't need to actually move around even within my own state to know there are fat people. It's just easy to forget or believe what you read and when you spend some time on polarized spaces online with some of these people you'd think it's impossible to see a nonfat person much less date one. Hence often times I'll see someone's post and wonder where the fuck they live.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:06 PM
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You never heard people talk about it in school? Because in my school and many others, we were forced to watch Supersize Me and taught how the vast majority of Americans are at an unhealthy weight. No I hear about it constantly. It's everywhere in the news and media. I just don't really see it. Maybe I just live in a pretty looks-conscious area.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:43 PM
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The more I'm on Reddit the more I'm suspecting it's not Reddit that's full of stupid people. Reddit is just where people go to talk, and people are stupid in general. I was just blessed previously for not actually having to listen to most people talk at length about things.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:28 PM
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Being white is a huge huge halo. It's not quite as bad as it was before, and not every Asian woman but enough of them will fuck ugly white dudes just b/c they're white and that's all these men need lol. People are also just incredibly imperceptive and stupid, like they are incapable of properly processing stimuli. I know older people who literally think that every white guy looks like Tom Cruise and every asian dude looks like Jackie Chan. It's kind of almost encouraging in a way because when yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:24 PM
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Fair enough, I guess it's just less common where I am. It's not exactly rare here either I guess, but the way people talk about it on this sub it's like impossible to find a partner who isn't fat unless you're top 1% or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:20 PM
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So my suspicions are correct? LOL In any case, I could be wrong. Like I said, all I have are my biases as I've never been there. I do prefer the more conservative type of culture over there but from what I hear the drawbacks (racism, food deserts and obesity, resources, stupid politicians that make the stupid left politicians seem smart) aren't worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:17 PM
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I live in a fairly liberal pro-feminist area. I'm not seeing these women under 30 who are super fat. I know obesity is a problem in the US but if you're under 30 it's still rare here, or at least by no means a majority. I wonder if a lot of posters male or female just happen to live deep in Walmart country.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:11 PM
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No offense or hate, I see the way people here describe the opposite sex and truly wonder what type of shitholes or circumstances you are living in. Granted, mental illness, stupidity, delusion, arrogance all play a role because this is reddit, but apparently every man or woman around you is some fat entitled toxic low-class predatory POS. I mean, I would move lol. This is my bias talking but I keep thinking a lot of you are from the south or something (US).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 06:05 PM
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Women in the corporate workplace are actually more lenient toward men and harsher on other women. I hear and see this constantly. I imagine this might translate to the teacher - student dynamic as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 08:29 AM
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Online communities invite all sorts of men, and mostly socially incompetent or mentally compromised women, as reflected here.. Although Reddit is particularly bad as is this sub with all the incel and femcel shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 08:26 AM
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Lol all the people in here saying "but all women have is looks". Yeah sure women's looks are definitely heavily weighted, but the thing is the bar is on the ground since most men find most women in reasonably good health attractive enough. There's a looks threshold to clear and almost any woman who gives a remote shit about taking care of herself clears it without thinking. Inb4 ItS MeNz FaUlT DeN 4 HaViN LoW StAnDaRdZ. This is like in a parallel universe men bitching about women being shallow f…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:17 PM
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Maybe it's fake, maybe it's not. But I've seen this happen many times. The guy could genuinely be trying to make changes so that she'll be happy in the relationship again, he cares for her, and/or he doesn't want her to go, but by that time as someone else said, it's too late. She can't see the guy the same way again b/c there will always be something nagging at her that maybe he isn't the guy for her, he doesn't have the same value b/c he might not be inherently who she thought he was. I always…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 02:13 PM
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I don't think the presence of solutions is the key. There are tangible solutions for acquiring a better personality if you're talking about being more positive, upbeat, kinder, more respectful. Meditation, therapy, self-help books. But these solutions wouldn't lead to success with women nearly as much as tangible solutions to stack paper, get fit, gain status or acquire better social skills though....if at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:43 AM
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It comes down to mostly social awareness and competence, which most of Reddit lacks. The thing being it matters a lot less in women in terms of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:10 PM
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So am I, what's your point. Women are biologically driven to choose powerful aggressive men and the reason why they choose abusive men able to provide is also biology even though he's not "nice" or "respectful". The more I post here the more I truly realize what men are talking about when they bring up female solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:03 PM
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Don't berate old creepy men or abusers who get women through manipulation and money then. Berate the gold-digger or desperate women with daddy issues and low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:56 PM
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Women's ability to get hookups lies squarely at the feet of men. The fact that average women are able to have casual sex and men aren't is 100% on indiscriminate men. I'm not sure again what your point is. Of course a woman's experiences in dating lie at the feet of men and vice versa, so I don't see how this is relevant. Doesn't change the fact that women have it easier, Going by this logic we can attribute any male circumstance in dating as the woman's responsibility e.g. ugly men can get wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:26 AM
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...Not sure how this counters what I said at all. You're basically saying a lot of men aren't as ugly as they think, as if femcels with severe BDD don't exist. That doesn't change the fact that as the dating game currently stands at every level of attractiveness men have it harder. Edit: You also implied average looking men aren't attractive enough to get hookups, which basically defeats your point as average women clearly are attractive enough to get hookups and even LTRs from at least 6s and 7…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:59 AM
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A woman has it better than her looksmatch, whether she's a 3 or an 8. Ugly women have it bad but her male counterparts have it worse. The only exception is maybe people at the absolute very top, then the men may have it better. Men also don't have the socially accepted luxury (yet, at least) of heels or makeup which can make a several point difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:04 AM
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Independence doesn't repel men...more like men just don't care about it. Things like education or status are a non-issue for the most part even though there are limits. That's why women in college refuse to date uneducated men or date down on the pecking order but men don't care if she's a waitress with a GED going to community college as long as she's hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 02:32 PM
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Lol the women here are mostly very damaged, femcels or have a bitter femcel mentality straight from 2x chromosomes after their mother sub FDS went down and are in dire need of mental help themselves so take comfort in that they aren't representative of women, and there's no need to take literally anything they say seriously. Gaslighting, lapses in logic, redirecting from accountability, low intelligence and shitty reading comprehension, you name it. There are plenty of men like that here also, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 02:17 PM
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Do you know what a strawman is?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 05:26 AM
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My original comment is not strictly talking about the study or the specifics. My comment was the takeaway many men here would receive from the findings...and I'm right. People like you and others somehow thought I was commenting in the capacity of like an academic peer review board member or some shit JFL. TLDR The hypocrisy of entitled women is a burden real or perceived, for many men on PPD and this is how the results will be interpreted by many.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 05:08 AM
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......shaming fat women for shaming fat men for not wanting them and then preferring thin/fit men. In this case fat women are being shamed not for being fat, but for their hypocrisy. Otherwise fat men would be shamed as well, but fat men are, from the results of the study, not hypocrites on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:34 AM
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Yes there's a difference, and they want both. They shame men for not liking fat women while being repulsed by fat men. What's your point? It's hilarious you think all this is about wanting to be "left alone".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:21 AM
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I don't think you quite understand that these feminists also push for their own fat bodies to be seen as desireable and also criticize men who are not open to dating fat women as fatphobic, with some going as far to equate it to racism or sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:58 AM
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Because feminists often talk about how all woman are beautiful and all bodies are healthy and beautiful while secretly preferring only non-obese men. If this wasn't the case, I may not agree with their feminist talking points but at least I would respect them for being genuine and sticking to their guns.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:20 AM
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good lord smh you're not ok
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 02:19 AM
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........do you feel this is somehow a big gotcha, that fat purple haired feminist was actually something I inserted to make a point and not actually mentioned specifically in the study? lolol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:53 AM
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In a nutshell, men aren't complaining that they have to actually "do work" now to meet more stringent criteria since women can make their own money and no longer need men to support or protect them during peaceful modern times. I don't think any guy here is bitching that they have to work to stay in shape or dress decently and have regular hygiene and do their best to get all their shit together. I have not seen a single comment from a man here objecting to any of these standards. The consensus …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 10:12 PM
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....nowhere...I was making a point about the commonly held belief amongst red-pilled or perhaps conservative men/people
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 09:34 PM
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Regardless the main takeaway no doubt for most (men at least) will be that fat guys give fat women more than a fair chance (they prefer them actually in general) whereas fat feminist women with purple hair are entitled and only want thin or fit guys while hypocritically spouting body positivity health at any size grr fatphobia ThIn PrIvIlEgE and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 08:35 PM
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From observation honestly after having worked nightlife for a long time the men whom women take home for one night stands actually encompasses a large variety of phenotypes, although the general rule is women prioritize physical appearance for ONS and less so for LTR, and men are the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:12 AM
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She sounds exactly like this other person on here who probably just stopped using her alt/prev account a while back. Autistic, delusional FDS femcel bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:07 AM
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I don't get it, it never ceases to amaze me how women just feign bewilderment to come across as better people. Are you seriously asking why men would be jealous of a guy who can sleep with many/any woman he wants based on his looks or game alone? Do you think women aren't jealous, often to a malicious extent, of a beautiful 10/10 supermodel in their workplace who attracts the stares and attention of any and all men within a 500 foot radius wherever she goes?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:08 PM
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Are you as a gender gonna pretend the last 10 years didn't happen. It's been way way longer than 10 years and yes women will absolutely pretend whatever so they can avoid accountability, They do it without batting an eye and have zero issue with looking at you right in the eye as if everything is fine on their end and you are in the wrong lol. It's not just moms or sisters. It's female friends, teachers, community leaders, journalists, dating coaches, as well as girlfriends and wives. Men do thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:07 PM
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Literally the only reason I began to respond to you was b/c you expressed confusion as to why men are upset the way they are. My bad I guess you just like being rhetorical lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:20 AM
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Men: We were lied to. You: False. Ok nice talking to you lol. And you wonder why a lot of guys are upset and debates get nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:12 AM
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Because again there are no double standards here....low N women are valued for a reason and high N women shunned....high N men are not disqualified or hurt in the dating game the same way and in many ways women like men with more sexual experience or those who have been preselected by previous women. There is no hypocrisy, in the same way a short woman is not a hypocrite for choosing a taller man. Men and women want different things from each other, there is no double standard if the standards a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:03 AM
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Again, there's a reason why men feel lied to...and it's bc it is NOT what they've always been told, by women, their female friends, or their male friends and people in their communities. Although I don't agree entirely with all the RP has to say, I see it too, especially with the cultural zeitgeist of telling men to support women, be less toxic, be an ally, alongside women not being shallow, women need to be empowered, women can do no wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:46 AM
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A lot of men say it's a lie b/c in their personal experience it does not work; they don't believe it's possible to attract [the vast majority of] women with personality unless she is already attracted enough to him physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:38 AM
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Men need to be reminded that b/c the bluepill screams at them their entire young life that if you are having problems attracting women it's because you need to be nicer, less toxic, more respectful, more sensitive. Men are upset after being lied to their entire lives - you would think it's common sense but it's not. They are gaslit constantly including the implication that if they were "better people" or would just "smile more" and "just take a shower" they wouldn't be struggling as they watch t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:23 AM
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By modern (or PPD) definition, an alpha (or Chad) only needs to have the right look, height, build or even personality, social skills and attitude to be an alpha. Money helps but is not necessary. Honestly I always say if you need money to attract women you've already lost. Any more women you attract after getting money will just be those attracted to money or the long term provider aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:08 AM
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My point is the drugs are not being pushed and aggressively sold. They sell themselves, like the red pill. Men go to it because they already feel a lack of satisfaction and a void, they aren't happy and fine and then the red pill makes them unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 12:48 AM
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Lol a common phrase SJWs and feminists who have made a career out of being professionally outraged like to say is something like "it's not our job to make men comfortable". So expect the lecturing and arrogance to continue. Unfortunately for them as long as you go out of your way to make sure men "aren't comfortable" your cause will continue to decline and the redpill will continue to spread and solidify.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:27 PM
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Women bring men to the red pill. The red pill is like most drugs. They don't need advertising, people readily flock to it out of perceived necessity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:24 PM
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Good lord the fucking mental gymnastics of women on full display here. I mean it's a tale as old as time but it's still amazing to see it in action when it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:22 PM
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I doubt this sub has had any effect on the people really. PPD attracts those who already hate or have major issues with the opp sex and people don't debate to learn, they debate to be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:12 PM
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Telling someone to be more emotional and sensitive is moot and pointless as dating advice, because it may only help if she's already attracted to you (but maybe not, since a lot of women are fucked up and like shitheads). If she doesn't find you attractive to begin with, being emotional just makes the her even more repulsed. It might work as general advice for being a better person though, but people don't bother to make that distinction when lecturing men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:34 PM
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A lot of these double standards talked about aren't actually double standards b/c men and women straight up prefer and expect different things from each other naturally. That's why it's not a double standard for short women to want tall men, or for women who are shit at sex to want experienced men - or why men are repulsed by women with high n count and 'experience' while high n count doesn't hurt men in the same way unless he's just a straight up disloyal cheater while in an LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 11:44 PM
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Honestly for me there is no innate or primal "ick" feeling. It is all rational. If I am looking for someone to commit to a woman with a high n count signals higher probability of mental illness and instability, poor decision making, lack of loyalty and moral framework, a shit-ton of baggage and daddy issues. I'm sure there are good women with high n-counts out there, but why take the risk? It's like companies hiring people with extensive criminal histories. There's a chance these people are well…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 11:37 PM
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Lol but if you have a problem with it you're an insecure man coddled by the patriarchy and you're against her being a strong independent woman who knows her worth. I WeAR MaKeUp aNd ShOW mY AsS 4 MySeLf
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 11:26 PM
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Women value other traits besides looks, sometimes moreso like status, reputation, social and emotional intelligence, but the normalization of OLD basically makes it so that men who excel in these areas don't often even get their foot in the door because OLD forces women to judge and make decisions based entirely on looks, and any other vague inferences made from photos. Taking bad pictures or bad photo choices lead women to make negative assumptions about the rest of a guy's life as well. Exampl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 07:34 PM
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The whole "BMI isn't an accurate measurement" argument is used by a lot of those body-positive fat women, and the argument is equally invalid when it comes from men. On a purely clinical level BMI tells you nothing about body composition but realistically speaking, unless you're a bodybuilder or very muscled athlete (in which case it would be obvious), a high(er) BMI indicates you could afford to lose some pudge. Western countries have shit-tons of people with high BMI and 99.9% of the time it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:47 PM
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I don't know where you all live, most people I've seen under 30, much less Gen Z, are not overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:29 PM
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It's amazing how accurate this stereotype is. When you resort to emotionally investing in an ideology that just blindlessly advocates without justification your own sex - often at the expense of the other sex or others - there's a good chance you've hit rock bottom and have nothing going on in your favor in your own life. I feel the same way about men deep into men's rights, MGTOW, incel shit, and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:09 PM
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I've observed this to be true but the political zeitgeist leans hard left now and women just go with the flow so by default most young women (and people really) readily absorb and adopt feminist talking points.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:50 PM
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For the record I don't think it's a good thing if a guy is a cheater and breaking his trust with whatever woman he's committed to. I'm just saying there's a reason why a woman with a high n count is seen in a negative light by men looking for a woman to marry whereas it's not as much of an issue for women choosing men. There are women who straight up will refuse to sleep with, much less marry virgin men. Notice there is a difference between a very sexually experienced man and a dickhead who chea…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 10:58 PM
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Men and women expect and want different things from each other and it's something deeper than just socialization or how we were raised. Many women straight up don't give a shit or even prefer that their man have a high n count bc it indicates preselection, experience and competence. Women care a lot about status whereas men don't give a fuck if she's just a waitress attending community college. It's like saying a woman is a hypocrite if she wants a tall man when she's short. No she isn't. That's…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 10:54 PM
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How bangable I find someone has little to do with how much I value and respect them as people or friends. I could hate your guts and still think you're hot, I could treasure you more than anything in the world and find you repulsive. When it comes to platonic relationships or friendships I'm pretty good at not letting physical attraction or lack thereof interfere with the friendship itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:54 PM
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Yep. Losing weight is, while not easy for everyone, absolutely possible. As a man you can't grow your height or change your face or build without major surgery with risks and resources and breaking major taboos, or change your race, all which women are much more critical toward. Not to mention men will find the vast majority of women attractive enough as long as she's in reasonably good health. The plain fact is that a woman at any level of attractiveness will have it wayyyyyyy easier in dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:50 PM
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It's unoriginal and does nothing at absolute best. At worst she either finds it repulsive or sees you as just another simp or orbiter - there's nothing there to set you apart in a good way from all the other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:50 PM
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I mean...in the same way women dislike a man's natural instinct to mate with plenty of different women despite society's prescription for monogamy? Like so many things on PPD not sure why an entire dumb ass thread is needed for this. The difference is...men being horndogs is well known and the general cultural zeitgeist projects criticism, suspicion and controls upon male promiscuity and behavior. Conversely, we still like to gaslight men and deny AFBB and other harsh truths about women because …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 06:40 AM
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You straight up underestimate the absolutely exceptional status attached to someone who's just plain white, much less goodlooking or a millionaire in SE Asia. There's a reason even fat ugly white guys can score there with women way way way out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 01:14 AM
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The main reason is basically bc men are biologically wired to find most women in reasonable decent health attractive. The bar is extremely low.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 08:42 PM
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As a single dude with simple pleasures I make okay money but I have minimal expenses and live reasonably well and happy. Things are "good". If I were to get married or have a family this would turn from good to disastrous and impossible, and it's not easy to get a job with a pay increase necessary for me to support a family. I also see the stress and bullshit men (and probably women too) put up with with their spouses and families, the way women act when their spouses or bfs are not around, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 03:54 AM
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My impression is that many of these men didn't start off hating women but bc of their experiences grew wary, hateful or jaded. This even applies to men who do well with women, but usually they are the ones who learned to do well later after failing or before they were "red pilled". Whether it's their own fault or the fault of the women they encountered is up to many things including individual circumstances and situation and society.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 03:40 AM
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I don't think there's an actual equivalent for men in terms of the whole "every woman is beautiful" thing. Maybe the closest is saying all men (or at least the 'good chill' ones as you say) have inherent value and there is no need to examine what they "do" or how they provide and contribute to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 02:20 AM
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I'll trust my observations of countless women for years. It is what it is. If you're saying women don't want a guy with a long history of bedding women to be their long-term passive sexually unattractive provider option, then worded that way I might agree in some respects.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:25 PM
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Women not only do not mind ran-thru mf'ers, many require and actively seek them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:17 PM
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It's hilariously true. A lot of my 20-something female friends have told me or at least inferred they would find it weird, awkward or almost inappropriate for a guy to approach a them IRL to express interest, even in nightlife bar or club settings...as if that's not how many men met women for millennia before this OLD thing ever became a thing. Yea Yea ofc if it's Chad it's not as bad or even good, but that's beside the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:02 PM
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There should be no need for women to meet a lot of the standards they hold for men b/c men and women SHOULD have different standards - there are no "double standards" here. Men and women naturally are wired to want and expect different things from the opposite sex. That's why being rich and educated helps a man way more than it helps a woman, if it helps women at all. That's why a tall man is in high demand and a tall woman...not so much or at least not remotely to the same extent. A short woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 09:44 PM
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A lot of RP men or men who come to be successful with bedding or dating women have a low opinion of women b/c the whole process becomes very mechanical and almost routine even, making women seem shallow and easily manipulated. Many of these men despite their success can actually become pretty depressed and jaded. Before becoming redpilled, they had fairly positive and hopeful opinions of women b/c of mainstream indoctrination or would put them on pedestals, sugar and spice and everything nice an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 09:20 PM
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Makes sense. That's still a huge gap though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 06:08 PM
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So you think men are lying in what I assume are within anonymous contexts and saying they're single when they really aren't?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 05:36 PM
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Came across this clip from CNN on YT.. was surprised they were covering this since I associate CNN with left-wing blue pilldom. The comments were also a breath of fresh air...it was like all the stuff men complain about here but from just normal dudes speaking frankly, and surprisingly not as toxic or filled with animosity as one would associate with most YouTube comment sections. To me this hints that the average blue-pilled man these days is thinking the same thing as the red or blackpiller va…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 11:38 AM
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I always say this when people love to cry "DoUBlE StAnDaRdS" re: expectations of men and women. The double standards argument only works when the expectations should be the same. Which....they shouldn't, and are not in the real world. Women want sexually experienced high status financially well off men for a reason, and men are okay dating pretty women for a reason even if they are broke, uneducated, and sexually inexperienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:01 AM
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Most redditors and basically anyone fairly active online have major issues so their opinions need to be taken with a gigantic block of salt, if taken seriously at all. Dating subs especially.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 10:21 PM
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It often just feels like most people are just very stupid and naturally unobservant. You don't even need to be a top tier man - they got eyes don't they - to stop being blue-pilled to shit because it's obvious taken women flirt with other men rampantly when their SOs aren't around.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 06:44 AM
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It depends on how easy maintaining frame comes to the guy in question and how competent he is. But some men just have innate temperaments and personalities that diverge too far from the type of persona that naturally attracts women, and it's going to be harder for them b/c no matter how hard they practice it's going to often feel like a stressful act. In this sense, much easier to keep this up for one night or a week or months even rather than years.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 06:41 AM
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That's why a lot of guys these days are afraid of getting into relationships. They may be successful with women in the short-term even, but based on their own experiences and observations, they see how women are when their significant other is not around. Having women flirt with them (or seeing them flirt with other men) when these women have boyfriends and husbands makes these men scared of becoming boyfriends and husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:56 AM
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Game absolutely (and obviously) works even though it's not the end all be all, as long as it requires developing and strengthening social skills from the ground up and not just memorizing lines. If you say all the right words but your mannerisms and affect remain awkward as fuck you aren't going to get anywhere. But gaming a woman into bed is one thing. Doing it for an entire relationship is another and this shows the limits and pragmatism of game more than anything - or perhaps is an argument f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:45 AM
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I honestly don't think men or women are wired to "want' to be single. If they actually do and aren't delusional, it's because they've found it easier to stay single for their situation and have developed the coping mechanisms and perspectives necessary to make it bearable, and even pleasant, after being disappointed repeatedly by the opposite sex along with potential mental issues and social stunting. This applies even in the best-case scenario for MGTOWs or cat women. Given the state of things.…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 10:20 PM
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Hot take, you had a general disgust for most males to begin with lol. Either that or you just let yourself generalize the entire male population because of garbage people online. You know, how women accuse men of saying women are trash after viewing TikToks or watching FreshandFit interview airhead sluts into the nightlife.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 07:15 PM
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Obvious OP is fat and extremely mentally ill. Give her a break lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 07:10 PM
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This exactly. The whole entire point and origin of the dadbod meme was a body that is out of shape and aesthetically undesirable by conventional standards - yet somehow (as it goes) still supposedly liked by some women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:35 AM
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Yeah, but I mean filters are detectable and also are a psychological downer/turnoff, at least to me, and at least as the tech stands so far/currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 08:48 AM
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Those are good questions and things to think about. For the time being and for me personally knowing an image of a woman in porn is AI generated is almost an immediate turnoff due to it not being real, but also I can't get over the idea that it's probably the result of the brainstorming and work of weird ass dudes or other guys behind the scenes in porn. I suppose I can't or won't say that I "can't get off" to any of it, but just knowing that it's AI - and assuming I know it ofc - makes a huge d…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 01:14 AM
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I mean that's a good approach/attitude for you to take to people with issues. But that's not what I was referring to. People aren't trying to help these men improve themselves. It's "you can't do better, so if you don't want _______________ women you are shooting out of your league", which is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 04:49 PM
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The point is a lot of people are saying this to incels, many who are on the young side, many who actually just look normal to even decent, who take care of themselves contrary to the "incels are gross neckbeards who don't shower" trope. They often can't do better or can't get anything due to their garbage attitudes and shit social skills, many of them are on the autism spectrum. I don't think it's fair to tell them that due to this they should settle for fat women bc "it seems like they can't do…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 04:33 PM
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I'm not gonna say there aren't fat entitled men wanting thin partners. But I've seen my fair share of posts on this sub alone saying men shouldn't complain about settling for women who are obese b/c the average woman is obese - I assume many of these are aimed at incel men with bad social skills desperate for sex or a gf. As if they are aiming out of their league if they don't want a woman who is 5'3 and 170 lbs. I don't have links to any scientific studies. Just been a lurker of this sub for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 04:18 PM
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I wouldn't really call that a square jaw, it's just defined and bony b/c she's fairly skinny. But yeah I like hourglass figures and a peach-shaped ass is wonderful lol....I'm just talking about like pear shaped bodies where a lot of women carry a lot of fat in the lower half of their body and the top is just kind of undeveloped and skinny fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 07:35 AM
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LOLLLLL at your post history one of those batshit insane bitter cunts do you post regularly on FDS by chance? hehe
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 07:10 AM
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Blue pilled society tells men to just be decent caring responsible people and dating will go fine. In reality women are biologically programmed to be attracted to various physical, often uncontrollable traits. They are also attracted to high status, low inhibition, rebellious nature, and aggression. When you see the dating success evident in certain individuals it's clear men with these qualities were not slowed down or suffering even if they are shitty or assholes. It's not that being a "good" …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 05:53 AM
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I'm going to go out on a limb and assume most if not all of these men complaining about being told to settle for average obese women are not obese themselves. The exchange often ends with women saying "welp if the average woman is obese, so be it deal with it." The real implication for a lot of women saying this to men is that it's irrelevant if the man is obese or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 05:19 AM
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I get the feeling it still matters to a lot of men that the women are real actual women though, even if they are paid actresses. It's still important to them that while scripted, what is happening onscreen is actually happening and experienced by real people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 05:04 AM
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It means nothing. I'm a very straight guy who finds height, dominance, and broad shoulders in women sexy and attractive. I also think square jaws can look good on some women but they can look good on almost anyone, as some masculine features like the aforementioned I believe are universally attractive (e.g. height, athleticism, v-taper etc). For whatever reason these same traits don't make me sexually attracted to men, it's just the way it is and everyone is different. For whatever reason even t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 04:59 AM
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Yeah no shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 09:48 PM
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Men who learned how to become sexually or romantically successful later in life become very jaded b/c they see how easily manipulated and shallow the entire game is (either looks/looking better and/or modifying behavior to seem like someone better). This leads to a dwindling of respect toward women and from a broader perspective humanity, since there's a good chance he has not only learned how to do better with women but also just in general get his way with people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 11:03 PM
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Some men are just naturally submissive, a lot of men are just too weak and not strong enough to resist the temptation of the dopamine rush of being nice to or going out of their way for women even if realistically speaking they know the chances of any significant reciprocation or result is small - ie at least she is interacting with me! And then there are the really stupid ones who actually continue to think reciprocation and results are likely and continue to simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 11:00 PM
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Because it's female nature to want a man who has more than them or is more experienced than them. That just means the bar is higher now for men. The problem is people like to ignore female and male nature for the sake of feelings and push a progressive narrative like men and women are the same it's all socialization bs tOxIc mAsCuLiNiTy and yada yada.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:07 AM
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Yeah the left narrative says women are the victims of oppression, misogyny, somehow at the mercy of the patriarchy but also at the same time inherently able to do better than men in everything. The feminist aspect of leftist dogma is so prominent it's basically impossible to really be seen as left-leaning if you subscribe to red-pill views.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 11:49 PM
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Point being it's much easier for women in dating so a man being on OLD long-term may not indicate cream of the crop but it's not a sign of failing despite already being at a huge advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 08:58 PM
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Ana de Armas has a weird ass mouth that actually works for me for whatever reason. Nice username though, I've been saying that shit forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:59 PM
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