Billsandasonom Archive

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2	Women’s preferences in men aren’t as unique as they think they are LOL there are definitely short women with a height complex who only go for men who are 6' plus but even these women aren't deluding themselves that 6' is just slightly taller.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/23 03:59 AM
–	The problem with a lot of the tropes that dominate this sub is that few here can separate results from lifestyle. It's also what a lot of men online seem to want anyway, more conservative traditional-minded women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/23 03:54 AM
2	Question for Redpill : Why do you care that women and society lied to you? Why do feminists and women care about the patriarchy, real or imagined?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/23 08:09 PM
-1	CMV: It’s not misogynistic or controlling for men to expect/ask the women they date or marry to not dress like they are still single BuT ThEyRe JuSt WeArInG iT FoR ThEmSelVeS!	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/23 08:07 PM
14	Studies show the higher the IQ a man has the less attractive he is to women One of the most inaccurate stereotypes is the one about the popular partying people or the greek life people being the dumb jocks and bimbos. Most of these people actually got decent to good grades because it was socially encouraged to keep up with everyone, get into a good prestigious school and career path, etc. Also, if you had the support system, resources and facilities to take care of yourself and be socially competent, you probably were well-adjusted in other areas as well. Obviously you …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 06:41 PM
0	Is it ethical to use AI face recognition to filter out women on dating apps? LOLL how is it an invasion of privacy if these nudes and videos are already online for everyone to see and presumably posted by the woman herself voluntarily?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 12:49 AM
–	When we talk about the "average" person - realize you're talking about a 50 year old The thing is, the reason why you hear a lot of "BMI doesn't tell the whole story" from people is to somehow infer that high BMI doesn't mean unhealthy, when almost every time it most certainly does. They usually don't play the BMI card b/c they have an interest in exploring or discussing public health. It does not surprise me that so many people with relatively low BMI have too much body fat and are at risk for the same chronic illnesses and metabolic issues as those with a high BMI bc of our se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 02:15 AM
–	When we talk about the "average" person - realize you're talking about a 50 year old ....right, so we agree. BMI technically is "not an accurate way" to measure health, but basically for 99% of the population a high BMI means too much fat. The "BMI doesn't tell the whole story" objection is thrown around constantly as if America is a nation of bodybuilders.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 01:41 AM
–	When we talk about the "average" person - realize you're talking about a 50 year old Oh this again. How many 5'9" guys over 170 are at that weight b/c of muscle? If you have a BMI of under 25 it's no guarantee of health or fitness since most people in the west are soft and out of shape, but if your BMI is over 25 it is extremely likely you have too much fat unless you're a bodybuilder or heavily muscled athlete.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 01:32 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread The most blue-pilled piece of dating advice I agree with is just how much social awareness and intelligence matter in harnessing attraction and chemistry. And it's a big one. Looks matters to men is common sense to the point that it never ever needs to be mentioned? LOL ok, let's assume that's the case. But you won't find very much specific or comprehensive advice on how to achieve or at least fake social competence in any variety of generic articles dispensing dating advice to men either - it's…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 04:43 PM
11	“Just Be Yourself” and other passive platitudes about dating "Not necessarily wrong, just useless or not enough" is the legacy of the blue-pill. Yeah, be yourself, be kind, take showers, be respectful, sensitive, listen to her. All technically good ideas. Are they enough or the most important pivotal factors in attraction? Absolutely not. Most men who struggle with dating and seeking advice aren't lacking in the hygiene area or in being nice or caring or sensitive, so why do people keep telling them the same old shit? Blue-pillers, also known as just ever…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 04:33 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Radfems are often man-hating butch ass lesbians. It's the garden variety purple-haired regular woke inclusive intersectional feminists who preach against gender norms but secretly, like most straight women, want the conventionally masculine hot dude. As I always say, it's fun to watch them duke it out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 04:14 PM
4	CMV: All women will aim for the absolute highest value male within reach first, then work their way down. Men don’t do this. There's also a type of conventional strategy or knowledge among men that if you want to get a woman, get to her friends or hit on them first to make her either jealous, curious, establish familiarity in her social circle, etc. Women do this too, but more subtly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 04:08 PM
13	We're going full circle, conservative sexual morality will become the norm again for heterosexuals Nobody who has read remotely any history would assume it moves in a straight line.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 02:07 PM
–	The "spark" is just nonsense that women say when a guy is attractive LOL I'm sorry, 99% of men would improve their success with women if they improved their looks, fashion, and athleticism. Where is the lie? Doesn't matter if you have a 3/10 face or 8/10 face, you will do [even] better relatively. Some men don't need to do anything to do well with women, some need to do more. Doesn't change the point. At all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 01:49 PM
6	I feel like the red pill teaches the right things for the wrong reasons They are doing it for themselves...b/c they want to get laid lol. But I also don't think it's too farfetched that some of them actually will come to enjoy sports or going to the gym or form friendships along the way. It's very similar to women and makeup or fashion. It can be a hobby or way to bond with other women but don't say it's all for yourself and you don't care what men think. But to paraphrase Chris Rock "if women were okay with fucking in boxes men wouldn't buy a house."	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 03:39 AM
7	I feel like the red pill teaches the right things for the wrong reasons Does getting rich and ripped not help most men become more successful with women? Assuming basic social skills, I honestly can't think of a single man this wouldn't help, unless they are already very rich and in shape.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 03:15 AM
1	Can we finally admit that men who find women unattractive, that they are openly mean to them, or simply don't think they exist? I'm not openly mean to anyone for the most part. Once in a while, IF I were to ever be kind of blunt or short with, or ignore someone, it'd probably be with an attractive woman I assume has a bunch of simps waiting hand and foot on her and I'm sensing an entitled snobby spoiled aura from her. I'm not saying I'm always right in doing this, I'm saying if I'm mean to a woman it's more likely going to be an attractive woman. The exception is if the person is just being mean or nasty and I'm returnin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 01:06 AM
3	Only men can solve the male loneliness epidemic (and most so called male issues) But then you hear feminists say male involvement is absolutely necessary for the feminist movement in all its iterations to succeed....literally shaming men for not caring or taking an interest in women's issues.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/23 10:40 PM
1	How would you feel about an "All men are handsome" campaign? Right, I have nothing but contempt for the shitty incels aiming for violence and drowning in their delusions. I was just saying on the whole there's no reason why a body image positive movement wouldn't help disenfranchised or marginalized men, perceived or real. In fact the body positive movement by default and in name is supposed to include men, but women haven't done a good job of making sure of it. Part of it is on the men for taking part, but part of it kinda isn't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/23 10:36 PM
3	How would you feel about an "All men are handsome" campaign? You don't think incels would aim to be okay in their own skin and feeling beautiful (or handsome) as they are? I still don't see the difference between these incel men starved of attention and fat women, even though overall fat women may still get more attention than incels.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/23 09:38 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread That's such a weird list. I mean not individually, but it's weird seeing them together.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/23 08:31 PM
3	How would you feel about an "All men are handsome" campaign? Why do fat women respond to a "fat is beautiful" campaign then when they watch all the thin girls get much more attention?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/23 08:09 PM
1	How would you feel about an "All men are handsome" campaign? I'm not sure how much it would work to convince women that all men are handsome no more than saying 'fat women are beautiful' convinces straight men, but maybe at least everyone would have healthier self esteem lol. Men on average won't have the options to validate any burgeoning entitlement though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/23 08:07 PM
3	Being with an average male is not special Speak for yourself? Sex is important but you give me the choice of sex once a month with someone I truly care about whom I know will always be by my side vs sex multiple times a day with someone I can't stand who might leave at any time I'll gladly take the former even if it isn't ideal. But here I just realize, you probably aren't a man in the first place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/23 01:26 AM
2	Being with an average male is not special The men who say "most average men are attracted to average women" are talking about women who are average in looks. As in the average man finds the average woman cute enough, and also there is the assumption the woman also has other qualities like being kind and caring, either with a good sense of humor or at least receptive to humor, loyal, etc. Most men will commit to a cute enough loyal woman over a hotter woman whom they believe is always in danger of cheating. The fact that she is average l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/23 01:19 AM
6	Is it true that almost every average couple has a dead bedroom? Women still voluntarily get with and stay with men they aren't really that attracted to, b/c women prefer to be in relationships, so whatever RP guys or women saying otherwise isn't accurate. Maybe many single women are just true shut-ins you rarely see or meet in public, but from observation remotely well-adjusted single women are rare. Women would rather be alone? Where? Re: dead bedrooms I haven't come across many couples who necessarily admit to not having sex anymore but it's hard to find p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 11:46 PM
4	Misandry doesn’t exist One of my favorite things to do is grabbing popcorn to watch radfems and terfs fight with the woke purple haired crowd.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 09:02 PM
1	Misandry doesn’t exist LOLOL are we though? Are you new here?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 09:02 PM
7	Women and Men screwed up dating... ...Men also want the best available to them. There's just a lot less available. On the flipside it's more confusing to women who is actually 'available' and who is just there to fuck despite having more options and attention.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 08:08 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Crunchwrap supreme	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 08:04 PM
9	Misandry doesn’t exist Some women believe that when men don't put them up on a pedestal and bow to their superiority that men "hate" them When you're privileged, equality feels like oppression.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 07:52 PM
1	The "spark" is just nonsense that women say when a guy is attractive Truly an olympic level mental gymnast. Are women brought up from a young age - by their parents, relatives, community leaders, peers, and media - to believe their physical attractiveness - esp in the eyes of men (or the male gaze, if you will) is of utmost importance or not? Are women inundated with advice from like the age of like 6 until forever on how to look better for men or not? Everything else is just fluff, but it seems like people like you are just absolutely intent on dying on this hil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 07:48 PM
1	The "spark" is just nonsense that women say when a guy is attractive I doubt very much that men are incapable of determining who is attractive since they have zero trouble developing crushes on attractive girls and women. The point is many men themselves don't believe their own attractiveness is a significant factor in dating success because they aren't taught that it is. Are they stupid for believing it? Irrelevant. It's also possible many straight men don't really concern themselves with appraising other men. Frankly a lot of people male or female are just bad …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 07:32 PM
–	Men should compete for women. Women should be selective. Change my mind. Point is whatever OP is saying is just the natural way of things since humans have ever existed. People may have "just married" but their nature caused women to remain deeply unsatisfied and men to cheat rampantly and have mistresses when they could get away with it. Modern society just gives people the ability to let it all hang out and no amount of sociopolitical rebranding or indoctrination is going to change it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 07:15 PM
–	Men should compete for women. Women should be selective. Change my mind. What I mean is just the way men and women are and how they act from a natural tendency standpoint. Men will always be naturally competing as the proactive initiators and women will be the picky ones doing the selecting. All of this has very little to do with the institution of marriage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 07:06 PM
–	Men should compete for women. Women should be selective. Change my mind. It's been the case for all of humanity and will continue to be the case forever. It's just recent trends dictating otherwise that somehow the way men and women are is due to socialization - Everything is a social construct! - and how we were raised. Thus men and women growing up esp the younger generations are unsurprisingly confused and going through shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 07:01 PM
1	The "spark" is just nonsense that women say when a guy is attractive Yeah no kidding, if you have a good face or good genetics you will always have that as an advantage and there are some things grooming or the gym won't fix. That doesn't mean lifting or improving style won't help the vast, vast majority of men. Also, I like how you somehow assume lifting means acquiring a roided out physique that repulses most women. If a 5/10 tries to improve his looks he will absolutely have more dating success even if he may not ever enjoy the success of a guy with a natural …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 06:38 PM
1	The "spark" is just nonsense that women say when a guy is attractive Obviously it isn't b/c so many men don't know it. If you want to take away the blame or responsibility from everyone who has socialized these men and just say the majority of men are just slow and stupid, that doesn't change the fact that we don't give looks advice to men who obviously need it, much less the mediocre ones who could still use it. We are dishonest and beating around the bush, and disingenuous when we say we want to help them, as a society. It's also not that obvious that women pre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 06:30 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread I'm thinking most people aren't on a fairly niche debate sub to make friends or socialize, in addition to people just naturally being more likely to comment when they have a complaint.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 06:04 PM
1	The "spark" is just nonsense that women say when a guy is attractive I don't see how you're disagreeing with me. Average men need to become above average physically and most men potentially can relatively because there are so many complacent men clueless about how much looks matter. The skinny-fat unremarkable dude with the yee-yee haircut and zero fashion sense needs looks advice too, not just fat basement-dwelling neckbeards. Honestly you guys keep saying "it's common sense it's common sense" but that shit isn't even relevant since it's obvious so many men are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 06:01 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Nobody feels the need to speak up when they're happy about something, esp on a debate sub.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 05:52 PM
6	CMV : As an average man comparison to exes and potential partners will always lead to the end of your relationship or ruin its quality Paraphrasing Chris Rock once again, women can't go back in terms of lifestyle. Whatever her ex(es) provided for her or spoiled her with, that's the bar you're going to be held to, or higher. If not, you'll be constantly resented for it and if for some reason she decides to stay with you trust you're just a temporary placeholder until she finds someone who can give her more than what her exes could. Or she can't find anyone and your relationship will just be tinged with this hanging over your hea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 05:33 PM
1	The "spark" is just nonsense that women say when a guy is attractive I'd say the spark is still necessary and a thing but you gotta have the looks first, and most women/people when dispensing dating advice or talking about dating basically talk like the looks threshold doesn't exist. I've gathered a lot of people will say "Yeah everybody knows looks matter" to counter RP or BP points. Then when you ask them why they don't ever bring up looks or looksmaxxing when giving advice to friends struggling with dating, they go "Well b/c you know it's so common sense, no n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 05:25 PM
1	What is behavioral masculinity? I would say a lot of women aren't necessarily completely in agreement with feminist ideology but it's mainstream enough that there's a good chance they agree or adopt some or a lot of it. What I've seen is online discussions and debate don't reflect real-life. Most people aren't nearly as opinionated or polarized or care as much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 12:25 AM
1	What is behavioral masculinity? Toxic masculinity has basically just become any masculine ideas or behavior - or basically any behavior from men - that feminists dislike.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/23 11:39 PM
1	CMV If you meet the looks threshold off a Women, having more game/personality is more important than having more looks. LOL if you need to meet a looks threshold first looks is more crucial by default. It's like saying in life after food and water aren't an issue, relationships and self-fulfillment are more important than food and water. Well yes, but no. I'll concede the looks bar isn't necessarily that high for most women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/23 08:51 PM
0	If dating is so broken, why don't women seemingly complain about it? I know single women exist from stats. Just personally, I haven't noticed many, if any, among those who are relatively socially well-adjusted. My guess is people who are having trouble with dating and complaining about it or the opp sex are going to be self-selected online. I know more women than men but I feel like most men aren't single either, although maybe there are slightly more single men than women in my pool. I don't know everyone but I'm not seeing this wave of "staying single" on the p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/23 10:56 PM
0	If dating is so broken, why don't women seemingly complain about it? I dunno, I'm trying to think of the older (over 30-35) women I know and most of them aren't single either - honestly can't think of one at the moment. I guess I just don't see this giant wave of women opting out because they think men are trash. Either they are finding what they want or they're willing to lower their standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/23 07:39 PM
1	If dating is so broken, why don't women seemingly complain about it? Chronically single women are rare as fuck...I don't really know where this "so many women are content to remain single" idea comes from. This isn't even in support of any pill or side, it's just a very obvious thing you can glean from observation. Maybe it's just my social network or demographic and region. Either women are settling or they fully embrace and like at least some of the men in their pool of options. Women actively want and desire relationships and the men don't have to be anything …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/23 07:27 PM
6	If dating is so broken, why don't women seemingly complain about it? I know a lot of women and I can count the number of single women on one hand, and out of these probably all of them but like 1 are single only temporarily. Women are obviously at least settling. Although it's true the weird and single people are going to be over-represented online and on reddit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/23 07:23 PM
2	Women with a lot of male friends are a instant 'red flag' To piggyback off this, is a woman with a lot of male friends the same (or similar) as a man with a lot of female friends?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/23 07:15 PM
1	If men want to even the dating field they should take better care of their appearance Aside from just the proactiveness of trying to look better for whatever reason a lot of men are also just delusional about what looks good. Men 20-30 lbs overweight look in the mirror and think they look fine or strong and are afraid to diet b/c they'll get 'too skinny' or that it's weak and unmanly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/23 08:24 AM
4	If men want to even the dating field they should take better care of their appearance I mean makeup and surgery actually does increase a woman's value b/c it's enough to trick more men into wanting to fuck, date or wife her up. Many men's lizard brains are so strong they literally don't care if she looks hot just b/c of war paint. You can call these men losers but there's enough of them that it's undeniable her SMV benefits greatly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/23 08:20 AM
-2	If men want to even the dating field they should take better care of their appearance No they wouldn't. There are some super shallow women out there who just need the absolute best man to show off to her friends, but if all men looked like Brad Pitt most women would just be happy it's raining hot guys every day and whomever they choose for a relationship they win b/c the guy's gonna be hot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/23 08:17 AM
0	If men want to even the dating field they should take better care of their appearance There are many ways to improve your looks for men, before you talk about drastic measures like surgery there's weight loss/cutting, lifting, grooming, skincare. It's not going to make EVERY guy into a straight up Chad but it improves his chances with women significantly. The vast majority of men I see walking around have not even tapped into a fraction of their looks potential.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/23 08:14 AM
–	CMV: Trans men will slowly become the bridge for women to take men's social issues more seriously. There are way more trans-men who pass well than trans-women. Because of the innate striking effect, good or bad, of masculine features, many trans-women just look off, and if somehow you get past that the voice is often a dead giveaway. For trans-men, worst-case scenario they just look soft and babyfaced.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/23 08:04 AM
–	CMV: Trans men will slowly become the bridge for women to take men's social issues more seriously. I've seen women disagree with women here. I wouldn't say it's very common but it's not rare at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/23 08:00 AM
1	Don't mistake a man's lack of options for better morals Despite the obvious that there are shitty people of all levels of attractiveness, the idea is that men with less options are more likely to treat women well because they know they can't easily find another one so they don't take things for granted. OP seems to have 2 trains of thought going...one is that a man's loyalty is worth little b/c his lack of options infer low value, and the other is that they are just as likely to mistreat women or be disloyal. So which one is it? Looks like OP just wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 08:07 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread I don't know why people keep bringing up this comparison. Yeah women are constantly on edge because of a very small percentage of potentially violent men, I get it. That doesn't mean men don't go through severe approach anxiety or crippling internal issues. The reflexive response to men saying they are afraid to approach and talking about how bad their dating lives are is "yeah but at least you don't have to worry about dying"? You might as well just use this as a response to anything then. "Wel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/23 09:01 PM
1	CMV: What I’ve Learned as an Average Guy Among Attractive Friends Whereabouts do you live man? Geebus I've heard jokes about how that is probably considered skinny in like a rural walmart area.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/23 08:52 PM
1	CMV: What I’ve Learned as an Average Guy Among Attractive Friends That's prob why so many esp american men think women are only going for the top 1%. They're chubby potatoes and somehow think they still need to gain weight in fears of being too scrawny. "Gotta get bigger, women must think I look like a beta"	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/23 08:46 PM
1	CMV: What I’ve Learned as an Average Guy Among Attractive Friends Hahaha oh mann	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/23 06:48 PM
2	CMV: What I’ve Learned as an Average Guy Among Attractive Friends I think especially in the west there's this fear among men not to get "too skinny", "bulk up get jacked" etc when in reality the ideal is leaner or slighter than they think. Obviously you don't want to be a twig but most chubby dad-bodded men won't ever have to worry about that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/23 03:56 AM
3	Many Women seem to not understand their own sexuality Looks obviously made it easier to be liked/accepted and popular but there were so many quiet awkward wallflowers with decent to good looks and so many popular people with mediocre looks that it's hard for me to ever conclude that looks was ever the #1 determining factor. Granted other things mattered too like style or dress. Some of the less popular people, even if 'goodlooking', often dressed like slobs or made questionable or unconventional fashion choices.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/23 12:24 AM
6	Many Women seem to not understand their own sexuality The guys most popular and successful with women in college or back in school were the most socially extroverted and uninhibited, but not to the point of being criminal or getting into major trouble like expulsion. Some of them were goodlooking sure, but that wasn't universal. Obviously women notice attractive men but it takes follow-through after a certain threshold is passed to yield meaningful results. A decently average dude with great networking will dance circles around a quiet awkward attr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 10:57 PM
0	Why do think so many single and childless women get hated on when they showcase their daily lives I feel like single women are fairly rare among healthier well-adjusted demographics. Most women are in relationships or are just temporarily and briefly in between them. Since most bfs are not Chads, on the one hand contrary to what a lot of men say here women may not be as picky as they say. But also a lot of this "we refuse to settle, we'd rather be cat women than date inferior men, sorry" we hear from women here is also false. Obviously women are settling and prefer to be in relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 10:50 PM
3	CMV: What I’ve Learned as an Average Guy Among Attractive Friends It absolutely does matter, since he would do much better with women than if he didn't get in shape or play the guitar. It's irrelevant that a talentless dirtbag Chad might do better. It may be disheartening and unfair, but if the goal is to increase success with women there's value in pursuing it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 10:45 PM
6	CMV: What I’ve Learned as an Average Guy Among Attractive Friends 5'9 168 is borderline chubby (unless you are obviously mostly muscle) and you may not be fat, but unless your face is an 8+ or you have something else extremely remarkable about you most women will find you invisible. Take this as encouragement that you have a lot of room to increase your physical attractiveness via fitness so if you do "ok" now you will probably do at least good later. Edit: Also this is both encouraging and depressing, but ofc if your friends are 'hotter' women will notice the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 10:16 PM
2	Men should be able to get someone at or near their level of attractiveness, and being told “it’s not a points/bartering system,” “you are what you can get” or that “no one is obligated to date you” are simply deflections and gaslighting nonsense. I get all that. It becomes hypocritical when people start to choose the parts of biological reality that work in their favor as okay and calling for change for the parts that are not, with some things being more understandable (eg making the murder of other fathers' offspring illegal).	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/23 10:51 PM
0	Men should be able to get someone at or near their level of attractiveness, and being told “it’s not a points/bartering system,” “you are what you can get” or that “no one is obligated to date you” are simply deflections and gaslighting nonsense. I think a lot of what people are attracted to is based on problematic ideals and views, myself included. To reiterate I don't see why dating preferences is somehow this sacred protected thing when we literally are out for blood when talking about how others think about so many other issues and things in the world. For the record and the rest of your comment, honestly I might even agree that women aren't as entitled as men complain, because I don't really see many women staying single. It also te…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/23 10:37 PM
1	Men should be able to get someone at or near their level of attractiveness, and being told “it’s not a points/bartering system,” “you are what you can get” or that “no one is obligated to date you” are simply deflections and gaslighting nonsense. Lol then comment about why the OP's argument isn't compelling. But you can always default to "sorry either they are attracted or they aren't" as your wild card, you've made that clear. I don't care as much about the specifics of the looksmatch argument as I do the hypocritical dismissiveness, but you do you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/23 10:20 PM
-1	Men should be able to get someone at or near their level of attractiveness, and being told “it’s not a points/bartering system,” “you are what you can get” or that “no one is obligated to date you” are simply deflections and gaslighting nonsense. Either they are racist misogynists or they aren't. That doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about racism or misogyny.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/23 10:07 PM
2	Men should be able to get someone at or near their level of attractiveness, and being told “it’s not a points/bartering system,” “you are what you can get” or that “no one is obligated to date you” are simply deflections and gaslighting nonsense. It's one thing to say "women's standards shouldn't change" and honestly believe it, and another to say "Women want what they want, that's it." Many of the people who say the latter, "you can't force women to want what they don't want" are the first ones trying to force men to want what they don't want. Advocates for women are the first to cite the power of socialization and environment in determining the problematic sexism, misogyny, and standards on the part of men. But somehow socialization an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/23 09:58 PM
-2	Men should be able to get someone at or near their level of attractiveness, and being told “it’s not a points/bartering system,” “you are what you can get” or that “no one is obligated to date you” are simply deflections and gaslighting nonsense. And I agree it's fine, even necessary, to talk about men who hurt or kill women due to their anger and entitlement. Just like it's fine for people to talk about it if they think women are entitled or that their standards are delusional and wrong (or not). This is different from simply saying 'you can't force attraction, what's there to talk about'. Because clearly, we are constantly trying to change what men want and are attracted to. There are articles and conversation everywhere talking about …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/23 09:50 PM
-4	Men should be able to get someone at or near their level of attractiveness, and being told “it’s not a points/bartering system,” “you are what you can get” or that “no one is obligated to date you” are simply deflections and gaslighting nonsense. Nobody is advocating that we FORCE anyone to do anything. LOL We aren't going to be locking people up who put "whites only" on their dating profiles. I'm just talking about this knee-jerk reaction of "people like what they like" when obviously it's not as simple as that. It's a self-serving dishonest reaction to men who complain about women's preferences in the modern age. As if dialogue about women's entitlement or preferences is off limits and is pointless or should be shut down. God knows dia…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/23 09:37 PM
-2	Men should be able to get someone at or near their level of attractiveness, and being told “it’s not a points/bartering system,” “you are what you can get” or that “no one is obligated to date you” are simply deflections and gaslighting nonsense. A lot of people dislike black people because of problematic ideas. The solution has been to do away with these ideas and change how people think about black people. Nobody bats an eye at this - rightfully, yet somehow we don't think that this should apply to dating preferences - including racial dating preferences - which are largely shaped by engrained societal ideals as well. We also seem to do a lot of policing on how entitled men are and how problematic their thinking is toward women, but so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/23 09:26 PM
1	Men should be able to get someone at or near their level of attractiveness, and being told “it’s not a points/bartering system,” “you are what you can get” or that “no one is obligated to date you” are simply deflections and gaslighting nonsense. I'm saying the argument that people are just going to think what they think and want what they want is lazy and disingenuous. If you don't think women are entitled or that their preferences are problematic, argue that. Preferences are largely shaped and dictated by society and exposure even if innate biology is also heavily involved. Society isn't okay with male entitlement or misogynistic perspectives, voices and dialogue criticizing men for what they think of women are basically ubiquitous, so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/23 09:21 PM
-6	Men should be able to get someone at or near their level of attractiveness, and being told “it’s not a points/bartering system,” “you are what you can get” or that “no one is obligated to date you” are simply deflections and gaslighting nonsense. Do you believe that in 1950, when very few white people wanted to date a black person b/c they were racist or had white supremacist standards, and were actually opposed to it legally, it was okay to say 'you can't force people to date or fuck who they don't want to date or fuck'?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/23 08:13 PM
-3	Men should be able to get someone at or near their level of attractiveness, and being told “it’s not a points/bartering system,” “you are what you can get” or that “no one is obligated to date you” are simply deflections and gaslighting nonsense. And we can't force people to not be sexist or racist pieces of shit right? So why try to start dialogue about problematic beliefs, bigoted narcissistic entitled attitudes, etc. People believe what they believe and want what they want, sorry. Again the supreme arrogance and delusion that somehow a woman's dating preferences and entitlement exist in a protected justified social vacuum while we try to change everything about how men think and what men want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/23 08:09 PM
1	If women are happier when single. Why do they push for commitment? Echoing the thoughts of a guy below, women are obviously not happier single when most women are in relationships or choosing to stay in them and most of the minority of women who are single are actively looking for a man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/23 04:48 PM
1	Are women socially embarrassed if they don't have a hot guy? It's more like women are more likely to shun men they secretly may find attractive in some ways but they don't fit the conventional mold or the type that their friends, cliques, or social circles would approve of. This combined with the sheer amount of options, and they just find it easy to automatically move on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/23 04:25 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread My friend said she likes watching it b/c it's almost like a train wreck where you are morbidly curious and can't look away. I personally feel guilty watching stuff like that...I know obviously they have given consent to be filmed but it's the idea of being entertained or at least purposefully preoccupied and distracted - by the drama of someone's suffering.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/23 10:07 PM
2	Are average men really desperate for sex? Modern society is set up in a way that keeps men (and people) numb and satiated but still deeply unsatisfied and unhappy. Especially the younger generations of men grow up terminally online with stunted social development, with little to no experience and confidence in talking to women. They desire women but it's too difficult to move out of the comfort zone because porn is just a click away. Add onto this a lot of undiagnosed mental illness and deviations men aren't socialized to accept much le…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/23 06:54 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread One day you're on top of the world and next day you aren't. But that's show business baby.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 11:51 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread It's weird that I don't get the same feeling with other actors, many of whom are also overrated and even the acclaimed ones known for good acting play just variations of the same character in every movie. Maybe with the exception of Gary Oldman, Philip Seymour Hoffman, or a younger guy, Tom Hardy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 11:39 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread I have a very hard time taking him seriously and I don't know why, it might be b/c he still kinda looks like a kid. He obviously tries pretty hard, but there's something about his acting that still feels like he's playing pretend.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 11:11 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Who took his spot?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 11:00 PM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread So basically you like the phenotype but you don't like how shallow and sleazy Leo is. I can't really comment as a straight guy...although Hoffman is a good actor (RIP) and Black is funny. I know nothing about Hirsch except that he exists.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 10:36 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread I think it's the round pinched faces and squinty eyes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 10:27 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Leonardo DiCaprio, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Jack Black, and Emile Hirsch all look the same look like the same person in different stages of life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 10:01 PM
1	As women earn higher income, they want an equal or higher earning partner. But as men earn higher, they want a more attractive partner. This will make women more and more single overtime. Again, this is why very successful men are fine with a no-name model he hopefully also genuinely likes. And why Beyonce can't quit Jay-Z. It's going to be hard if not impossible to replace someone of his status and level - especially in his genre and with his image - despite the fact that she could have harems of younger good-looking guys willing to commit in seconds. Apparently in her current situation she can't just "have another you in a minute".	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 09:49 PM
3	Q4W: What steps do you take to make men less afraid of you? Okay but I don't know why so many women are answering with "I look like _____________ so I'm not intimidating". Because physical appearance is not at all why men would be afraid of women as implied in the OP. It's not like the opposite where a man's physical appearance matters more with perception since the fear of men is a lot more related to potential physical violence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 08:39 AM
2	"You have to work 5x as hard as your grandfather for women 20x worse" It largely depends on why they are supposedly losers. Dorky white men do WAY better in Asia than they otherwise would in western countries. Many women there literally cannot tell the difference between a regular Joe Schmoe and a white movie star. Blame it on ignorance, different beauty standards (paleness, thin frames do well there), imperialism, or whatever. But the idea that the experience is the same over there for these men is ludicrous. The idea that a more traditionally-minded society woul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 12:09 AM
2	"You have to work 5x as hard as your grandfather for women 20x worse" Again, you talk about how the men you observe who travel to another country from the west to meet women are losers, and I'm saying even if you're absolutely right that doesn't mean passport bros are wrong in their reasons for looking abroad. I assume making a valid criticism of passport bros is your goal unless you're just randomly venting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 11:52 PM
4	"You have to work 5x as hard as your grandfather for women 20x worse" Even if all the things you say about men abroad are true - and I do believe you're accurate on a lot of it - you aren't making any valid points against looking for women overseas. If you're going to engage in debate you'll need to attack the passport bros' points of criticism against modern western culture, progressive ideology(s), feminism and the like. People who support passport bros would argue that even the successful well-adjusted men who do fine/well dating in their own respective western…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 11:21 PM
1	Would it be a dealbreaker to you if a man lied about his height by saying he is shorter than he is? Another way to think about it, there's only one reason why a man would ever lie and say he's shorter than he is, and that's to test if the woman likes him for what he wants to be appreciated for (maybe personality, accomplishments, etc.) like the billionaire who pretends to be poor and then gives the woman everything after she falls for him and treats him well despite thinking he's poor. There might be some women who don't like the fact that the man is testing them, but again, it's almost an abs…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 10:43 PM
2	Is a man's height only important nowadays because of social media and dating apps? Isn't it just relative? Granted society is different and social media has complicated things, but while the acceptable height is taller now than before, the average man is also taller.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 08:38 PM
10	Today society is PERFECT for men There was a study that showed women exhibited more empathy across the board than men...except when it comes to relationships and dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 02:27 AM
26	Is a man's height only important nowadays because of social media and dating apps? Social media and dating apps have made people pickier sure, but a man's height has always been important.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 06:31 PM
4	The claim that women settle in their 30s are true, but it's not fully due to being less attractive Sure, but how bad is the wall anyway if they still have it better opportunity-wise than most men in their prime lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 04:59 AM
1	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men Worse as in from an absolute standpoint divorce is more likely to happen to a man who marries vs a woman being likely to be raped in her lifetime. But sure, since 1 in 6 women will experience some form of rape I admit I used "worse" a bit too flippantly there. It is definitely not socially accepted for women to entirely reject men as even friendly acquaintances. The only rape it’s socially acceptable to protect yourself from is the stranger in a dark alley. Different observations then. For at le…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 04:35 AM
3	The claim that women settle in their 30s are true, but it's not fully due to being less attractive The SMV for women diminishes as they get older, but whether you can call this a 'wall' or not is moot. Because they will still have it easier than men out of their league (objectively speaking) well into their 40s, again assuming they are still putting in effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 04:16 AM
1	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men I didn't compare them side by side, comparing the trauma and fallout from rape vs a shitty marriage is moot here. I pointed out the double standard that women are encouraged in the context of social discourse to exercise caution to a statistically backed fear whereas men are not and instead are called paranoid or problematic misogynists. Whereas the surest way to not get raped is to not unnecessarily associate with men, since you’re at the highest risk from men you know. The surest way of not ge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 03:45 AM
7	The claim that women settle in their 30s are true, but it's not fully due to being less attractive Even if women are less attractive in their 30s or 40s they have it so much easier than men in dating that a 40 year old woman who takes good care of herself still has significantly more prospects than an average or even slightly above average guy in his 20s or 30s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 03:28 AM
1	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men Must be convenient to reduce marriage to 'splitting your wealth with a partner' with the best of assumptions. You compare an idealistic default of marriage with a universal evil (rape). How disingenuous is this? If marriage always - or even usually - resulted in wealth being evenly split forever alongside a partner equally invested in joint wealth and happiness men would not be scared of marriage. Sure thing, we can ignore the potential trauma, depression, conflict and resentment, court costs, c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 03:15 AM
2	Study : Women’s self-rated attraction to male faces does not correspond with physiological arousal Well I can only speak for myself but the thing I read was supposed to be true for anyone. It applies to me at least. Probably happens when we get too emotionally or psychologically invested in the biases or standards society tells us to follow.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 12:14 AM
4	Study : Women’s self-rated attraction to male faces does not correspond with physiological arousal I think more importantly people are bad at it even to themselves, so it's not out of anything like dishonesty. For example I've consciously "known" inside that I like smaller or straight noses on women but when I see head turners the nose has almost zero to do with anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 11:32 PM
5	Study : Women’s self-rated attraction to male faces does not correspond with physiological arousal I said this in another comment earlier but a very good point that was made in an article I read many years back is what we write down and consciously say we want (physically) in a partner is often very different from what actually catches our eye. And/or you may very well like the traits you say you do but you'd be surprised what else turns your head. This also can apply to the rest of the iceberg with the non-physical desired traits when looking for a LTR.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 10:03 PM
1	If a man struggles with dating, romance, or sex, why is the default assumption that he is misogynistic or at least has problematic views on women, and that he doesn't see women as people? The excuse of cognitive dissonance and still being vulnerable to social influence only goes so far. I see it in so many people, often the ones who are the most annoying and outspoken about pushing their political bs onto others. You can say the amount of religious leaders being outed as closeted gays, child molesters, abortion clients, and porn enthusiasts doesn't technically disprove or hurt their scripture-based arguments against gay marriage, abortion, and all sorts of depravity but somehow I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 09:43 PM
1	If a man struggles with dating, romance, or sex, why is the default assumption that he is misogynistic or at least has problematic views on women, and that he doesn't see women as people? Their hypocrisy confirms to those who already disagree with them that their beliefs are either untrue or a lie. For example, are gender or beauty norms really socially constructed to oppress when many women who constantly say they question these norms choose conventionally attractive and traditionally masculine men? Not to mention again condescension about how they are more tolerant and enlightened. It's a two for one, they are both wrong, and also hypocrites. I have my reasons for thinking prog…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 08:21 PM
2	Why is the sub have at least some men telling women what they are attracted to? B/c men hear what women say they are attracted to and see another. There's also the possibility a lot of women might just be unconsciously unsure of what they want but are just saying out loud what seems safe or acceptable. Saying men are trying to dictate to women what they like is oversimplifying if not disingenuous. I'll try to be fair and say it can be true of men too. There's a lot going on socially and internally with preferences, and we can write down on paper quickly things we are attrac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 05:28 PM
4	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men I'll just say once again that it's funny women are allowed to assume all men are shitty to be safe b/c a small percentage of men are potential creeps/rapists/murderers but men are gaslit and accused of being misogynistic or brainwashed by the manosphere when they worry about their life being ruined by marriage when the statistics are much higher and worse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 05:24 PM
20	If a man struggles with dating, romance, or sex, why is the default assumption that he is misogynistic or at least has problematic views on women, and that he doesn't see women as people? It's a progressive liberal thing. Blame the system and corporations, it's not the fault of the poor or homeless, it's not the fault of women, blame men. It's the fault of white people. All this usually from white people who only know white people, are all about helping the homeless or minorities until these homeless or minorities move into their precious neighborhoods, or they lecture people about gentrification as they move into lower income neighborhoods for lower rent. Also, progressive women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 12:15 AM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread Lol bc they are taught it works. By their mothers and teachers and friends and movies. Every guy struggling with dating needs to be told to looksmax, social network and at least fake like they don't give a fuck until they make it. Society will never be this blunt and instead will keep telling men to be more responsible and caring future husbands first and foremost b/c it needs well-behaved men to keep their head down and wage slave for it to keep running.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/23 09:54 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread There's always someone desperate or depraved enough.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/23 09:43 PM
–	The men here aren't advocating for free sex but for a greater chance and ability to get a relationship so they won't be alone, but somehow the people here have a hard to processing that. Those actually sound more like redpill talking points - ie social circle and networking game, be flirtatious and direct with what you want, act like you don't give a fuck [about approval or validation] etc. At the very least various RP sources have more detailed outlines of how to go about improving in the ways you described. The blue-pill is honestly just fairly dismissive with broad generalizations. "Well, maybe you just need to join a club. Just be confident bro."	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/23 09:34 PM
7	Women can easily find a yielding, nice guy if that's what they truly want. If women continuously date assholes it's because they have a preference for assholes Evolution. Women are drawn to the meanest toughest most respected and feared guys possible without putting their lives or social standing in danger.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/23 08:54 PM
2	The men are better looking at pool parties than women That's b/c goodlooking men are rarer than goodlooking women, but the goodlooking men are more physically impressive. The bar for what is considered an attractive woman is also just lower. It's mainly don't be fat, and hopefully she has some curves also. Men need to have the good face, sculpted body, height, and such. Masculine features are also risky and more striking than feminine ones, so sometimes they work against the guy but when they work for the guy they really work for him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/23 05:10 AM
1	"just be skinny" doesn't work Of course if you're really old or you have a very ugly face it's going to make it harder no matter what your body looks like. But as a general rule of thumb, for the average woman, or for most women (with at least regular faces and average age), being skinny makes them attractive enough to a lot of - if not most - men for sex as well as for dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/23 05:04 AM
12	Q4M: If “settling” is bad, why should women “lower their standards” and “be less selective/picky”? Knows some kind of plumbing/electrical/ auto repair (but doesn't actually work in those fields) LOL. The real-world benefits and utility without the low status association.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/23 10:43 PM
9	A lot of women are awfully entitled to male company and friendship The women at twoxchromosomes complain about this b/c they just love blaming and criticizing men and feel entitled to everything as OP implies, not b/c they actually care or want to spend time with these men even as friends. Or it's about moving up and getting promoted. "I should be invited out to the dinners with supervisors and higher-ups as well"	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/23 09:21 PM
1	Except for gym, i don't see TRP helping men get laid, at least honestly. Wouldn't you agree men have been trying to achieve methods to get into women's pants for as long as humans have existed though? Seems like TRP just packaged it into something marketable. At the very least, I would say that social intelligence is a huge part of game. When convincingly faked (rarely) or genuine, it is the primary strong point of game which is why so many men think it doesn't work. It's extremely hard to fake and if it ever becomes real there's no need to fake it anymore anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/23 09:29 PM
1	Except for gym, i don't see TRP helping men get laid, at least honestly. I feel the focus should not be on memorizing lines and behaviors. This is b/c different words and behaviors are appreciated by different people, and part of social intelligence is reading the type of person they are and correctly predicting what they would appreciate or latch onto. Also, how everything is said and done is more important than what is actually said and done. I think a good compromise is to use your own lines and behaviors that reflect who you are in a comfortable manner. There's a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/23 07:55 PM
1	Except for gym, i don't see TRP helping men get laid, at least honestly. Doesn't a lot of game involve trying to teach social intelligence, reading cues, interactive skills, body language and such? The concept being that ideally the skill set will become natural but until then do your best to fake it. The gist though is that most men who self-select themselves into these PUA camps will not be convincing or effective while faking it. It only works when you continue to improve up until almost the end. I don't think game is just negging or peacocking lines, but then aga…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/23 07:15 PM
1	Except for gym, i don't see TRP helping men get laid, at least honestly. Game isn't useless, it's just one of those things that's really hard to do well. In comparison, looksmaxxing is very easy and straightforward. The guys you describe who are less socially aware but do well with women are actually what RPers pedestalize because they come across as both comfortable, confident, and low inhibition. They talk and move with ease. Furthermore as you say, they may be "successful" just bc they just don't care about playing the numbers game. A lot of the women being cold a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/23 07:08 PM
1	Except for gym, i don't see TRP helping men get laid, at least honestly. The problem with TRP is the game aspect (versus just improving looks through lifting, fitness, grooming, dress etc.) is very difficult to fake or excel at unless you have become very natural at it. If you can fake being natural and convincing, you've basically already gotten to the point of being actually socially aware and competent anyway. The vast majority of men who look into game are the least likely to be able to pull it off, especially if they are looking for a quick solution with pre-wri…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/23 06:59 PM
0	Men who have sex with a lot of women are usually even more misogynistic than 'nice guys' Fuckboys and men who do well with women being misogynistic and shitty is actually the popular mainstream opinion. In recent years the reaction from some women online (many manhaters and femcels) has been the unpopular one OP says is popular: "The ugly guys aren't going to be actually nicer or better in personality than the hot ones, might as well go for the hot one." There are plenty of problems with this, but just saying that's the train of thought.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 05:16 PM
2	Self Improvement WEEKLY DISCUSSION TOPIC Not sure why you were downvoted by this. Man this place is filled with bitter mentally ill fucks. Men and women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 08:17 AM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread I don't hate sluts. I just won't commit to one. If I want casual sex I don't care if she's a slut.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 08:08 AM
1	Would you rather have sex with a fat 20yr old or a fit 50 yr old? lmao fit 50 year old easy. Youth is a benefit but not enough to make up for a fat shitty body (unless you're into that type of thing). And this is talking about just sex even, making the question even easier. A more fair question would be 20 year old not bad body vs 45 year old banging body.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 06:44 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread LOL there are literally women here verbatim agreeing that most men are invisible unless they make themselves visible or do something that catches their eye and attention. Don't pretend women - much less the loons here - are more courteous and forgiving about it than they actually are. Also, men finding random women on the street every day attractive enough is just that. You think it goes much more like we are imagining the dirtiest things b/c you assume the worst of men when for the most part it…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/23 02:47 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Women: It's bullshit society says men get to work on themselves in their 20s and be deemed more attractive in their 30s while women are just objectified and said to hit the wall when they hit 30. Also women: I'm sorry, it's just nature, women find most men invisible and men naturally find many women attractive. If men aren't immediately impressive or striking in some way they need to draw us in with actions, charisma, something solid. Deal with it. If you're going to argue against the idea that …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/23 01:45 AM
–	Race has an effect on finding a partner It's the arrogance and self-righteousness that comes along with constantly putting a bullhorn in your face about these social issues along with the hypocrisy. They won't stop telling people to take action, to take on the correct views of tolerance when their own lives are in a bubble, they are ignorant af, and they don't practice what they preach (eg challenging gender and racial norms while desiring traditional conventional norms in their partners). Just...STFU and stop what you're doing. Every…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/23 03:53 PM
4	Race has an effect on finding a partner I was thinking cognitive dissonance in the context of guilt. They know deep down they harbor racist beliefs and try to overcompensate by telling the world how tolerant and educated they are on race matters. With dating however, it becomes simply too inconvenient, of course they are going to go with their true deep-seated preferences. Which again I wouldn't have as much of a problem with if they didn't announce to the world the complete opposite, and with such arrogance and from a high horse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/23 08:58 AM
5	Race has an effect on finding a partner I don't think lack of contact has anything to do with it. It's just pure hypocrisy. They are quick to accuse other people of being ignorant of race issues and relations when they are the most ignorant. Nothing is stopping them from seeking black friends, visiting black neighborhoods, talking to more black people, but that's too inconvenient and uncomfortable vs virtue signal posting from their phone on social media. It's like the liberal feminist women who date conventionally attractive white gu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/23 08:44 AM
2	Race has an effect on finding a partner There are probably universal markers of attraction like symmetry or some degree of youth and health, sexual dimorphism etc but there is a lot of room for socialization to make a huge difference. Depending on media and environmental exposure and interaction, my own preferences have drastically shifted many times - along racial lines, body type and proportions, facial structure and features, style and so on. The [perceived] 9/10s that instantly draw my attention today would have been invisible to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/23 07:50 AM
8	Race has an effect on finding a partner It's always hilarious to me, the people spouting Black Lives Matter the loudest. You look at their social circles and they are fucking lily white. They hang out with white friends, date white people, and stay in white neighborhoods and communities. Like you don't know shit about fuck about black lives, don't pretend to care.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/23 07:37 AM
3	Race has an effect on finding a partner I'll die on this hill. It's funny we talk and debate all day about how societal indoctrination makes us carry prejudices and discriminate against people of different races, sexes, genders in all different types of contexts and circumstances. We condemn the exercise of these biases in multiple forms. But somehow dating and sexual preferences is untouchable territory. I'm not saying people aren't allowed to have preferences, but they are very much equally prone to exposure and indoctrination, ofte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/23 07:34 AM
1	I don’t understand the notion about men waiting until their thirties to be successful financially as well as at their “peak” and then date women in their upper teens or early twenties who are in their “peak” Lexapro	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/23 06:12 AM
0	I don’t understand the notion about men waiting until their thirties to be successful financially as well as at their “peak” and then date women in their upper teens or early twenties who are in their “peak” You sound like the typical misandrist nutcase and that was before I even saw your flair. I'd ask your doc to up your dose of SSRIs. I decided to stop engaging with people like you a while ago. Have a nice life lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/23 05:56 AM
2	I don’t understand the notion about men waiting until their thirties to be successful financially as well as at their “peak” and then date women in their upper teens or early twenties who are in their “peak” ...Literally nobody has said a schlubby guy in his 20s by default is a future upstanding potential partner. He's only a potential awesome partner if he fucking puts in the effort and self improves. Seems like you're looking for something to be mad at. Last time I checked the typical RP man who shames entitled slutty behavior in young women also very much shames young men with zero social skills who are fat or addicted to porn and gaming.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/23 12:28 AM
2	Self Improvement WEEKLY DISCUSSION TOPIC Even the Chads who do well in the west would do even better as passport bros, although they might not be as motivated and tend to be complacent because it is extra work and they may already be satisfied enough with their success.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/23 11:15 PM
5	I don’t understand the notion about men waiting until their thirties to be successful financially as well as at their “peak” and then date women in their upper teens or early twenties who are in their “peak” Men don't WANT to wait until their 30s to enjoy successful dating, but the way things naturally unfold, most men don't start really getting their shit together, start making money, developing a sense of style they're comfortable with, learn how to groom and feel comfortable in their own skin socializing etc. until they are in their late 20s or 30s - if they are to succeed at all. Is this ideal? No. But this is what happens to the majority of men even if it would have been "better" to have achiev…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/23 09:14 PM
5	The equivalent of a man being ghosted after paying for a fancy dinner and outing for a woman is a woman being ghosted after sex Time is infinitely more valuable than money and your most valuable asset. You should always be very stingy about who you're giving your time to. All the money in the world won't give you more time. All the time in the world, and you can always make more money.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/23 06:10 PM
10	Men's aversion to be seen as husband material is same as women's aversion to being seen as a sex object. My personal interpretation of what it means to be a husband is irrelevant. The point is men observe a lot of women behaving toward the men they label husband material (let's also throw in actual husbands as well) in unflattering, apathetic if not negative terms. Most men actually grow up with a very clean blue-pilled indoctrination assuming a husband is meant to provide a woman with all the needs she would want from a man. It's only when they observe the aforementioned behavior in women do they …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/23 05:59 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Conventional thought here on this sub from men goes: women want alpha fuxx for sex, betabuxx for relationships. The truth with nuance is women don't want betabuxx even for commitment. They don't want them at all, for anything. If they had their way the alpha would provide sex and all other relationship needs. But they are forced to because they need a wallet or emotional validation once they get jaded or the fun wears off and they know they won't be able to get that from chad. Don't be a wallet,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/23 05:47 AM
1	Isn't the "Red Pill" supposed to be a harsh truth, yet it seems incredibly easy to believe? People on this sub equate RP with basically any man they don't agree with, which is why they just assume RP means sitting on your fat ass and whining about everything, the type of person RP would condemn to the ends of the earth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/23 05:05 AM
19	Men's aversion to be seen as husband material is same as women's aversion to being seen as a sex object. Maybe from your own observations or personal use, but not from many men (or women). The bad connotation exists, again, for a reason. I still remember as early as h/s girls talking about the "hot" guys vs the guys whom "would be great to marry", realizing soon thereafter the latter was not a compliment. Guess to which group the girls actually flocked to and showed attention and which ones they completely friendzoned or ignored? If these "husband material" guys are remotely desirable - for sex, fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/23 03:05 AM
24	Men's aversion to be seen as husband material is same as women's aversion to being seen as a sex object. That is the objective textbook definition of husband material, but that is not how it's used in conversation [by women] the vast majority of the time. This isn't an uncommon observation, otherwise husband material wouldn't have such a negative association among men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/23 02:11 AM
54	Men's aversion to be seen as husband material is same as women's aversion to being seen as a sex object. Nothing wrong with being 'husband material' objectively on its face. The prob is that the context when a woman refers to a man as husband material is almost always when she's implying he's a safe, boring option once she's done having fun and ready to settle down.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/23 08:22 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Bc it's all a sham. They talk the talk about challenging beauty ideals, e.g. shaming men who don't date fat women or find fat women attractive, when really they just want people to see them as beautiful but really deep down their preferences are conventional just like everyone else's.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/23 08:03 PM
4	Daily Community Chat Megathread What with all the hubbub about Lizzo and me not really having listened to any of her music, a quick scan through her videos reveals something that will surprise no one. She's all about body positivity fat girl power etc but all the men in her videos are thin and/or fit. Unlike the transgressions outlined in the lawsuit, this hypocrisy is never hidden, just out in the world and no one bats an eye. Pretty sure this is the case with people like Meghan Trainor too. All the male love or sex symbols i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/23 05:52 AM
25	I often hear women say "I have attractive male friends with awesome personalities, but I don't like them that way." If they're attractive, why aren't they attracted to them? Yeah I'm a guy and OP's question just sounds like it comes from someone with zero life experience and a very oversimplified outlook. Plenty of female friends and associates I find technically "attractive" but would never date due to a shit-ton of reasons. Although I admit maybe I'm coming from the other side of the coin...I'm so jaded even when I see a super attractive person I can clinically strip them down mentally to the point that they just become another shitty smelly gross human. ONS is on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/23 03:01 AM
3	What do you think is at the root of the “Femcel” phenomenon? Women are just more prone to mental illness and modern society does not help with things. In online spaces, these types of man-hating bitter psychologically compromised women are especially common. Of course shitty ass men also exist, but all types of men spend more time online, and on Reddit. You get a much broader cross section of men and a much narrower section of weird women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/23 02:21 AM
2	Do you think marriage will die out completely once Women start out earning Men on average? Women are not more sensitive, men are less sensitive So...women are more sensitive. WTF this sub.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/23 01:55 AM
–	Female women, how would you feel if most men did not desire you at all? One thing I've noticed that people tend to overlook when they see an attractive woman with a tall fat guy is that there's a good chance when they first started dating he wasn't fat and was quite athletic, trimmer, and better looking. In my personal observations this often rings true and with the ubiquitous nature of social media it's never difficult to find photos to confirm this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/23 10:58 PM
14	Most problems in this subreddit are caused by people not knowing how men/women really are Men are not just frustrated by the "unfairness" of attraction dynamics. Many view modern society as gynocentric and hypocritical in how it treats men and women, to the benefit of women. Men feel undervalued, demonized, and when they bring up their issues they are gaslit and often given dismissive or pedantic garbage advice. Debate this if you will but there's simply more to it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/23 08:23 PM
1	How do you show men you are commitment-minded? Sorry I'm not a woman so feel free to delete but I really don't understand these types of posts and questions on here. Is there something wrong with just letting people know what your priorities and goals are up front? Is that old fashioned and weird now?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/23 07:38 PM
2	“Overwhelmed with messages” is NOT an excuse for women’s awful online dating behaviour Dating is easy enough for women IRL, it says a lot if a woman is resorting to dating apps. OLD is mostly men for a reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/23 03:52 PM
1	What is your attractiveness threshold and what are you willing to overlook? thx not reflexive with all the terminology yet lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/23 09:11 AM
2	What is your attractiveness threshold and what are you willing to overlook? There have been many catfishing experiments done where men with model looks still got tons of attention and messages despite it being made clear in his profile info that he had a very shady, criminal past alongside questionable prejudiced values. I know online dating isn't "representative" of real life but let's be real, a ton of people, perhaps an entire generation, absolutely participate if not even rely on online dating b/c their social skills suck otherwise. Then let's not forget the small b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/23 02:06 AM
1	if withholding sex is not a good way to secure commitment, then what is? Why not, I don't know, both parties just state your goals and priorities up front. Sounds weird I get it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/23 02:04 AM
4	There's no point for a man to get married in a western society Could it be that couples who choose to get married are simply more likely to be more committed to parenting? Or more likely to have the resources and capability to see their parenting goals through perhaps.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/23 09:42 PM
0	Educated Women’s arguments here against dating the working class make no sense You gonna keep editing and retyping b/c you weren't satisfied with your last word? LOL Hope the SSRIs are working.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/23 09:54 AM
1	Educated Women’s arguments here against dating the working class make no sense yada yada not worth discussing yada yada And yet here you are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/23 09:33 AM
1	Educated Women’s arguments here against dating the working class make no sense You missed the point(s) completely and predictably go for the "women are people" strawman. You're not different from the countless people who have tried to "explain things".	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/23 09:21 AM
1	Educated Women’s arguments here against dating the working class make no sense Thx for your input lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/23 09:02 AM
1	Educated Women’s arguments here against dating the working class make no sense Yeah, heard it before. Thx for your input lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/23 08:59 AM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Love exists and relationships can go well. For a time. It's the temporary-ness and fleeting quality, especially nowadays with social media and online dating encouraging ADD mindset and constantly looking for the next best thing. Personal experiences aside it's funny almost everyone I know, chad, stacy, becky, beta bob or otherwise, is in a relationship, and almost everyone seems lukewarm at best and not especially happy going by how they look and act when they're with their SO, and how they talk…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/23 07:23 AM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread It's common knowledge it's no good to be a betabuxx. But it's not much better if she's just with you for looks (not talking about ONS or flings). Your looks will fade or she will get bored of them, and if she's the shallow type to lock you down just for looks that means she is and will be looking at other goodlooking guys. Even women in relationships with chads get bored, need validation, and will flirt with other chads or even mediocre men. The same can be said for being attracted to personalit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/23 06:49 AM
0	Would you consider dating or even marrying an Average Joe or Plane Jane? The sheer amount of average couples and people not remaining single shows people can, do, and will settle. Easy to say "I'll never settle!" when you're 22. Most of my social circles are women and I of course don't know many single women, but of the men I know not many are single either and the age range is from like 20 to 50.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/23 06:42 AM
0	How often do you see relationships where the man is significantly more attractive than the woman? I'm...not attracted to men sexually. I just think men look better, doesn't mean I want to fuck them. I know a lot of straight women who feel the same way vice versa, they are attracted to men but think women are better looking. There are also straight women who agree with me that it's hard to find a woman who looks very good without makeup. For some reason it's harder to accept the other way around, not sure what the difficulty is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 02:32 PM
1	How often do you see relationships where the man is significantly more attractive than the woman? Nope. Not sure why you feel the need to keep telling me what I actually think looks good. Vast majority of women, even the supposed 10/10s, are absolutely unremarkable without the conventional enhancements afforded them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 02:13 PM
3	How often do you see relationships where the man is significantly more attractive than the woman? In that I have no urge to stick a dick inside men, yes. But I still find men nicer to look at. As in, if I'm not having sex or jerking off, I'd rather look at men because they are more impressive in the same way a beautiful painting or car would be. To be fair I'm comparing attractive men with attractive women, not necessarily fat men with fat women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 06:47 AM
1	Women, what makes you notice a guy? Confirmed ITT the importance of social proof and versatility. Women immediately notice when a man seems to naturally command every interactive dynamic and situation with ease.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 04:57 AM
33	Do men need to shame each other more for dating to improve? We need to shame simps more. The way women shame other women who give out sex like candy. Simps are just men who give out commitment (or commitment-like behavior) like candy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 04:54 AM
1	Question for Women - Is it true that you find the majority of Men unnatractive? Probably both.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 04:46 AM
1	Question for Women - Is it true that you find the majority of Men unnatractive? Can you rephrase that I'm not sure what you're trying to say. My bad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 04:42 AM
2	Question for Women - Is it true that you find the majority of Men unnatractive? Absolutely. The difference is the way men are wired many will still notice fat women because they would still fuck a fat woman. But it has nothing to do with women being inherently "more attractive" or whatever.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 04:36 AM
1	CMV: Theory: Women arent shallow like men in terms of looks: They instead are hyper-sensitive to neurotypicality Looks matter to women but neurotypicity is more important. The reason why game both works and why so many people think it doesn't is b/c when it works it conveys a very natural easygoing social competence and awareness. When it doesn't, it conveys the exact opposite and looks offputting, forced and desperate, and sometimes downright disturbing. It often matters fuck-all what you say or do, it's how you say and do it. Constantly. In all aspects of your life. The men who resort to advice and getti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 04:21 AM
1	Question for Women - Is it true that you find the majority of Men unnatractive? I had an image of a normal everyday man and assuming he takes relative care of himself and is healthy with relative youth, he is probably objectively meant to look decent (enough) to women. The difference between men and women is men are affected sexually even in the most mild or subtle ways when they see women whereas women are not when they see men. The "would" or "wouldn't" just subconsciously pops up every time a woman walks by a man. This is what is meant by men noticing women and men being…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 03:49 AM
0	The 'Chad Cck Carousel is a Myth Getting with the most attractive people possible with what you have...with some people realizing they won't be able to land their ideal permanently - or at all - and thus taking what they can get.....is that not all people? The difference is it's just a helluva lot easier for women to do so in this day and age.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 03:40 AM
12	How often do you see relationships where the man is significantly more attractive than the woman? If we're talking methhead skinny yeah, but men on the thin side, given decent grooming, dress, hygiene, etc. are pretty popular naturally with modern attractive women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 03:30 AM
1	How often do you see relationships where the man is significantly more attractive than the woman? So since a lot of people are saying Gen Z couples have the man as the more attractive partner, does that support the narrative about the 80/20 rule, female entitlement, blackpill, etc? I think for whatever reason a lot of people are just very bad at appraising looks and let things like clothing or fashion sense cloud their judgment. It's conventional to say the woman is more attractive in a relationship when really she just puts more effort into her appearance and the guy clearly has better faci…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 03:27 AM
3	How often do you see relationships where the man is significantly more attractive than the woman? I've always found men objectively better looking or more impressive to look at especially when you take away heels and makeup (raw featurewise, better musculature and athleticism), even though I'm only sexually drawn to women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 03:25 AM
3	How often do you see relationships where the man is significantly more attractive than the woman? The best looking people are men, and so are the ugliest, prob b/c some degree of masculinity is required to achieve something especially striking. Women lie in the middle. I feel like that also seems to be the case with almost everything like criminality, intelligence and so on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 03:22 AM
2	Why do conventionally attractive woman almost always date high status men? Because looks matter most to men and status matters most to women and the best looking women can afford to choose exactly what matters to them most. This will always ring true, no matter what you hear these days about things changing and all that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 05:27 PM
2	Educated Women’s arguments here against dating the working class make no sense Not sure discipline or academic pedigree are necessarily indicative of good genes, certainly not more than natural intelligence. The vast majority of people can be disciplined enough to do anything if they are motivated.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 05:15 PM
3	Educated Women’s arguments here against dating the working class make no sense If that was true there wouldn't be women wondering why they aren't meeting or getting the men they want while citing their academic accomplishments.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 07:04 AM
4	Educated Women’s arguments here against dating the working class make no sense Then why do many of them refuse to date less educated men? Why is there talk of this danger of women facing a lack of eligible men due to them being more educated than men in general? Why is it heavily implied that eligible equals a man of equal or higher education? Tbf I haven't seen the shaming on this sub that the OP is referencing well bc frankly I don't lurk the entire sub but I've definitely seen women with entitlement and an overinflated sense of worth [to men] b/c of their education. I'v…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 06:57 AM
9	Educated Women’s arguments here against dating the working class make no sense If there are women shaming men for showing interest in women in a "lower class" than them, I said my piece. But I'm not confused, modern women do somehow think they are hot shit because of their education. It opens doors for them to meet and date professional 'high class' men sure, but if these men pick them it will be because they have other qualities. And of course a lot of men meet their future wives in college. That's what's convenient and that's how people date and met at the time. Educatio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 06:37 AM
6	Educated Women’s arguments here against dating the working class make no sense I honestly have not observed this much in real life either b/c as you agree most people just date and mingle within their tax bracket, but I'm going by what the OP says of women on here shaming men for giving "lower class" women attention. In the event that it happens, it sure as hell isn't b/c of "low standards." Imagine you being a doctor and all the other male doctors just go right past you and pick a fast food worker or barista over you, in the face of pressure to date another doctor. And th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 06:18 AM
0	The 'Chad Cck Carousel is a Myth It honestly sounds like you haven't ever known or talked to any woman extensively. Or the only women you know of are sex workers and whores. Literally the stats are there. The upper percentiles for women are up to like 20 in a lifetime bar extreme outliers and that's way lower than what the average guy on here seems to think it is for the average woman LOL. You honestly think the typical woman is arriving at their 40th birthday with 40 dicks under her belt. Simply amazing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 06:13 AM
1	The 'Chad Cck Carousel is a Myth No, in the worst case scenario she's fucking a few dudes a year, for a few years. Not for 20 years, that's why the highest percentiles are a small percentage of women with total bodycount of over 15. If she's in relationships that's much less because she's just fucking one dude for the year or many years. The latter seems to be the norm but again maybe b/c I don't know a lot of party girls.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 04:55 AM
10	Educated Women’s arguments here against dating the working class make no sense It will open the door, because professionals often run in the same social circles. But if these professional men - many of whom already face pressure to commit to a professional woman - choose a bimbo or low-class woman over them there's a reason for it and it's not b/c of no standards or whatever cope they tell themselves. When this happens, it truly says a lot about these professional women in particular.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 04:13 AM
21	Educated Women’s arguments here against dating the working class make no sense A lot of women overestimate how much men care about education as long as she's attractive (enough), caring and loyal. These intellectual women were sold a lie and either think their degrees mean fuck all or try to tell themselves they do in the SM. There also is probably a lot of projection going on b/c many women themselves want high status professional educated men ('So why wouldn't any man want me?') and wouldn't dream of dating men less educated or lower on the ladder. So it baffles them whe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 03:55 AM
1	The 'Chad Cck Carousel is a Myth Agree with all that. Men and women aren't the same and it's society's fault for pretending we are. We are built differently and built to want different things, so different behaviors have different benefits and costs for each sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/23 09:40 PM
4	The 'Chad Cck Carousel is a Myth When I say it's a myth, I'm referring to the cock carousel in the way many redpilled men in the manosphere frame it, as a long period of time where most women, drowning in sluttiness and entitlement, sleep with countless guys until she realizes she's been wasting her time and hits the wall and tries to settle down later in life with a schlub provider she's not physically attracted to. A lot of the manosphere narrative(s) also paint any men below the top 20% as perpetual virgins until they are se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/23 09:37 PM
8	The 'Chad Cck Carousel is a Myth I can't believe I'm defending women in this sense here but ok here goes. The point is that at least in the context of this sub redpillers criticize women for riding the cock carousel when it's really just something many young people often do or try to do, men or women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/23 03:24 PM
16	The 'Chad Cck Carousel is a Myth If that's what you want to call being young and just having fun I suppose. Men would do the same thing if they could, and statistically they do. As it stands the implication of the cc is very much exaggerated if, excluding very extreme exceptions and sex workers, the bodycount of even the most slutty of women hits only 20 tops in a lifetime with the avg being well less than half that. I recall reading that close to 30% of men have over 15 partners whereas about 13% of women have that in a study …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/23 07:32 AM
7	The 'Chad Cck Carousel is a Myth I would say even the most promiscuous women I've encountered and known fairly well probably go through a few men a year for just a few years 5 max and not for 10 years so it's more like 20 as a top percentile high number. But I dunno, can't keep track of everything lol. Maybe I don't know enough crazy party girls...but most of the women I know regardless of age are in an LTR.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/23 03:34 AM
28	The 'Chad Cck Carousel is a Myth I lean redpill and am more sympathetic to the struggles of men but it's true from what I've seen the cock carousel is a myth. At most you get a few men per year for a few years from women when they are young, stupid and wild. I've heard men complain that it's common for women to regularly hit their 30s with a 100+ bodycount which is laughable. When all's said and done, women do have it easier in dating though; most women I know are either [very] temporarily single or in committed relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/23 02:16 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread I'm not really talking about those extreme cases, although I don't know where you live. Just run-of-the-mill people and couples you see hanging out together you see in areas with lots of fast food, walmarts, liquor stores, car dealerships etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 11:11 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread You never seen mediocre to ugly poor couples? They're the norm.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 10:53 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Statistically poor people have more sex than rich people and it's safe to assume objectively poor people on the whole are less attractive due to obesity or lack of access to resources (good food, grooming, gym memberships, beauty and skincare products and know-how). Even if they have knowledge and competence they have less time to worry or care about it because of work or stressing out about other shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 10:46 PM
5	CMV: TRP and the manosphere over-analyzes dating to the point that it’s detrimental A lot of people into the pills are definitely socially stunted, on the spectrum, or with other severe mental issues. However, on a micro level shitting on the data for being overly detached and logical and that real life is different is like saying "men are on average taller than women" is problematic bc there exist women who are taller than some men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 08:43 PM
2	CMV : Game is just harnessing the anxiety of insecure women to make them chase your for validation for a bit I feel like people just have different definitions of game. To me game isn't just negging so the woman wonders why you aren't simping for her like all other men. It's learning how to act and communicate in a manner that conveys that you are someone who is good with people, well connected, with high emotional and social intelligence. Of the men who see any success, some have to fake it forever and for some they actually become what they fake at first, which is the ideal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 07:55 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread The plumage is masculine physical characteristics including height and frame, body hair etc....on some men it either works poorly or not at all and on some it works extremely well hence masculinity being a risk. I feel like that's why the best looking people have masculinity in their face but so do the ugliest - both ends require something unconventional and striking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 07:34 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread I feel like if aesthetics matters more to women, then average or even below average women would not be deemed attractive enough for sex by many men despite men objectively acknowledging her mediocrity. It's more like men just naturally have lukewarm standards with whom they want to stick their dick into b/c they want to get their dicks wet constantly. The fact that women are more selective about everything including looks seems to mirror the peacock analogy. I suppose it can be kind of difficult…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 07:15 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Fair enough.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 07:08 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Are human male/female dynamics more like that of bees and flowers or like that of the peacock species? Flowers are the pretty ones and the bees are drawn to select and pollinate, implying it's the women who are meant to be pretty and passively attract with their beauty or chemicals, ergo the flowers have to look good, the bees rely on behavior, which is analogous to our behavior. On the other hand, male peacocks and other species are forced to impress females with their sexually dimorphic featur…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 07:05 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread I feel like a lot of unhappy or depressed people are actually very politically involved...or at least on Reddit they're just out there spouting their polarized opinions from whatever political hivemind they're from.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 06:53 PM
11	In 2023, should men still be expected to pay for dates? Why? Isn't the man paying for dinner b/c he's expecting sex in return a trope?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 05:08 PM
10	The average young man is objectively absolutely unappealing and it is a GOOD thing for the rest of men in general that he is not dating or having sex It's not gonna happen because that's just how it is biologically. Men are not programmed to be selective, women are. Society just keeps treating and pretending that men and women are the same and the only difference is socialization. How it currently stands in the modern era, this effect has largely hurt men although it may not have been exactly the case in the past.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 04:55 PM
1	Is it better to define average-looking by measuring how many people think you look cute vs. "scientifc set of physical traits"? I think an average person would just garner a general unenthusiastic 'meh' reaction from most people. Maybe at most a "maybe...kinda cute I dunno" or "...just not my type" for the most extreme responses.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 06:12 AM
2	Is it better to define average-looking by measuring how many people think you look cute vs. "scientifc set of physical traits"? To me, average people are not polarizing. They blend into the crowd, have very middle of the road features - but not in that perfect average type of way - and are instantly forgettable. One celebrity I find extremely average but somehow has female fans is Andrew Scott. His face might even seem a little scrunched and unpleasant to me, but overall I don't think I've seen a face that induces a more indifferent neutral reaction.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 02:26 AM
26	As a man you should not date if you are broke OP is the literal epitome of what the redpillers warn about...the modern woman who's all about empowerment but likes to cherrypick which traditional gender norms stay and which don't in accordance to her liking and convenience, which is why she thinks guys can't be broke but women can be fat. She's just more outspoken about it. 'Fat women are not deemed unattractive and have no trouble getting men' (so she says, no idea which trashy ass area or region of Walmart country she hails from), as if th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/23 10:39 PM
-1	I know this has been said a million times before: but the men who are feeling lonely and struggling in dating just have higher standards. It's actually very fitting, because a lot of the people on these blackpill forums are obsessed with looks so they spend a lot of time on their appearance, but what's holding them back is their shitty personality and absolute garbage social skills. Many are on the spectrum with severe mental disorders. On the flipside, the ones most invested in criticizing them don't care at all about taking care of themselves and are deluded and mentally compromised in the opposite direction or different ways. T…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 10:59 PM
2	People underestimate how circumstantial attraction is You haven't been to my DMV.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 08:19 PM
7	A guy spending a lot of money is a red flag. The reason for this is literally in your phrasing. It's not b/c they are immoral, it's because they can afford to. In other cases it just sounds like you're talking about people who are financially irresponsible or bad with impulse control. Morally questionable to me implies someone who gets rich through fraud, scams, market manipulation or mass exploitation; a lot of people who stupidly drop thousands of dollars on concerts (eg Taylor Swift fans) or other things are not even remotely close to b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 03:42 PM
9	A guy spending a lot of money is a red flag. There's quite a gap between throwing around money, even thousands of dollars, vs having gotten rich from unsavory methods. You don't need to be a millionaire to do the former.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 03:17 PM
5	CMv : Modern times are not raising women’s standards, it’s revealing standards that were always there Women are heavily influenced by trends and preselection and status. What brings groups of women to swarm around a man is often two things. He's the tallest of a group of men and the well-adjusted extrovert type, and/or he already has a woman high on the chain or women around him who clearly like him. On a different note, I know a lot of women - very few of them are perpetually single, and very few of the men are chads. If they are single, it's usually temporary. So either these women are settlin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 03:08 PM
–	I genuinely think dating for women is dangerous... but dont understand why women risk sleeping with men, why? B/c women are still attracted to men or still want a man despite the risks. Most men are aware of the dismal divorce rates and the risks of modern marriage but marry anyway because their biological desire to be with a woman supercedes their fear, along with the foolish confidence that they won't become a statistic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 07:30 AM
–	Asking your partner not to dress provocately in a serious relationship is not toxic. Are you a guy? That's why they say men date women hoping they won't change but they do. Women date men hoping they will change (eg the hot mysterious bad boy she can turn good), but they don't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 07:00 AM
5	Money 100% does help with dating and does compensate for shortcoming no matter what this sub says It's fine if you don't think there's anything wrong with trad gender roles. If the woman wants a rich man even when she's broke and wants a tall man even when short she shouldn't complain if the man looks like Shrek but needs her to be hot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 06:33 AM
10	Money 100% does help with dating and does compensate for shortcoming no matter what this sub says Money definitely helps. But I am always hesitant to suggest it's a good idea to try to increase success with women by increasing money b/c then the extra women you're attracting are just attracted to the money. Become the type of guy women are attracted to already through personality or social skills, so that money and looks are there to help and supplement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 06:31 AM
–	CMV: Women are incredibly entitled and take male providers for granted What did Bill Burr say, 'any job you can do in your pajamas is not the hardest job in the world'	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 03:52 AM
–	CMV: Women are incredibly entitled and take male providers for granted lolol	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 03:50 AM
1	Most discussions of overweight women are disingenuous because they reference women with desirable pear shaped bodies, but the vast majority of overweight women do not look like that. Perhaps. It's mindblowing because the original tweet said something like 'if you think this is too fat you're a loser' or something but honestly I can't even remember the last time I came across someone that fat so it's def a regional thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 09:18 PM
1	Most discussions of overweight women are disingenuous because they reference women with desirable pear shaped bodies, but the vast majority of overweight women do not look like that. I'm still surprised it's something men prefer. I mean in terms of a middle of the curve broad cross-section of men, not men who have a niche or exceptional preference for fat women. Must really just depend on where you live or the circles you run in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 09:12 PM
1	Most discussions of overweight women are disingenuous because they reference women with desirable pear shaped bodies, but the vast majority of overweight women do not look like that. Right, but the responses to the tweet and of many ITT were that she looks fine/isn't too fat/looks amazing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 08:46 PM
–	CMV beeing a smooth Talker / high charisma will improve you‘re smv more then most men today believe, this is backed by „every top salesman does well with women“ theory It's important in terms of grooming and dress. Obviously it helps if you're attractive physically but most salesmen are not models or even especially handsome. What you actually say and your charisma and social skills are the key players. As they say, learning how to talk to women is just learning how to sell yourself. It's a skill set that won't just help with women but basically your interactions and relationships with everyone in your life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 03:45 AM
4	CMV : I’m starting to see the effect of dating app filters translate into the real world Height beats all. Tall men are the first men to catch a woman's eyes. On a primal level the tallest man of a group of guys, provided he's not very ugly, skinny, or fat, gets first consideration and priority. They are wanted by the vast majority of women but especially are a common trait among those the highest-tier women date and marry. Obviously nothing is guaranteed even for tall men but the trait is the biggest inherent advantage I can think of.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/23 06:53 PM
2	Most discussions of overweight women are disingenuous because they reference women with desirable pear shaped bodies, but the vast majority of overweight women do not look like that. The standards are just often literally don't be fat. Which apparently has become a tall order these days in many parts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/23 06:37 PM
44	Men in western society should reject marriage I wonder if the people who think it's silly for men to worry about the statistical risk of their life falling apart from divorce also think it's illogical for women to be wary of men due to statistics of assault and violence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/23 06:52 AM
2	Most discussions of overweight women are disingenuous because they reference women with desirable pear shaped bodies, but the vast majority of overweight women do not look like that. Good news for women: Even if we all agree the ideal is unattainable for most women "eg very thin but with fat and thiccness in all the right areas", these proportions are not necessary at all for a woman to be deemed attractive enough to most men - for either casual sex or commitment - as long as she's relatively healthy and puts in some effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/23 01:44 AM
1	CMV: women want sex as much as men do, but with the right person. If women want to eat but won't settle for anything less than a $200 steak, whereas men want to eat and will jump on a piece of stale bread and more than appreciate a bowl of macaroni, men and women are not equally hungry.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/23 01:41 AM
6	What women like vs what men think they like B/c liberal women are often the ones challenging traditional gender norms and standards and the first to virtue-signal about their supposedly progressive preferences. The response they get is "No, actually, you just want a different kind of Chad, you aren't different or changing anything."	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 11:27 PM
6	What women like vs what men think they like When women say they love feminine guys they mean they love a slimmer Chad who takes pride in grooming himself and reads a book once in a while. The same way men say they like nerdy girls but they mean a porn star who found glasses and is okay with playing video games.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 10:30 PM
3	What women like vs what men think they like From my (often surprising) observations, thin men actually are quite popular with women as long as their faces have some definition and aren't potatoes or too baby-faced. Slightly chubbier men and above are invisible or get settled for unless they have especially good faces. But it might be the area and demographic. Thin is very much in in upper-middle class white areas. I see this with white women, even if they don't have curves or much of a body or face, they are popular as long as they're ski…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 10:27 PM
6	What women like vs what men think they like Even liberal well-to-do women with options still want masculine guys. As I said in another comment, a lot of these pretty boys or supposedly feminine men that women love so much still look and are masculine. They just don't resemble bearded lumberjacks on steroids - although...there is still absolutely a huge market for that type, even amongst the progressive-minded.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 09:45 PM
3	What women like vs what men think they like Your crush Chishiya actually has a very square jaw structurally as is typical with a lot of Asians. It just looks softer b/c his face isn't especially lean or skinny, which is maybe what you were referring to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 09:39 PM
2	What women like vs what men think they like Again with the pretty boy stuff. Pretty boys are just well-groomed men with chiseled masculine features, on the slimmer but still toned side. Youth, good hair, and style does not make a man feminine. Just because they aren't bearded or overly muscled doesn't mean they aren't masculine looking. This applies to all the most popular k-pop guys, e-boys, etc. It's just a different type of masculine and it's not new, as young women have been into the boy band type since the beginning of time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 09:32 PM
2	Most discussions of overweight women are disingenuous because they reference women with desirable pear shaped bodies, but the vast majority of overweight women do not look like that. Fair enough. I prefer slim fit women who still have curves but it's not like I haven't seen chubby women I find attractive. But I see it the way I see short hair. There are women out there who can still look good with short hair or extra pounds but they would be more attractive with longer hair and less pounds.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 07:55 AM
7	Most discussions of overweight women are disingenuous because they reference women with desirable pear shaped bodies, but the vast majority of overweight women do not look like that. Is that what they are actually into or is it b/c that's just what they have to choose from? In our modern times of excess for the first time the disadvantaged or poor are more likely to be overweight.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 07:46 AM
7	Most discussions of overweight women are disingenuous because they reference women with desirable pear shaped bodies, but the vast majority of overweight women do not look like that. Probably depends on the demographic. I rarely see men into overweight women but my social circles are pretty white upper middle class, so the skinny basic bottle blonde white woman with no T&A is still often the prize.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 07:36 AM
11	Most discussions of overweight women are disingenuous because they reference women with desirable pear shaped bodies, but the vast majority of overweight women do not look like that. I don't think there's a single man on this sub who would blame you for that. You're implying there's this need to even things out and be fair but there is no body positivity for men; the reason why threads like this even exist is because there's a push for men to find overweight women attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 07:23 AM
1	A very significant portion of women completely lack a proper understanding of sexual boundaries/consent, and they harass men, yet it is hardly ever discussed. Women harass men all the time. Society just doesn't care, and on an individual level a lot of men also don't care because women aren't perceived as a physical threat. I've been harassed, touched inappropriately, assaulted by women and honestly none of it takes up real estate in my head compared to all the trauma and shitty experiences that continue to bug me from other shitty parts of my past. It might be because as men a woman who harasses does not equate fear for our physical safety, and we ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 04:35 AM
12	Most discussions of overweight women are disingenuous because they reference women with desirable pear shaped bodies, but the vast majority of overweight women do not look like that. If you think anyone who isn't a bodybuilder or heavily muscled athlete with a BMI over 30 looks "fine", it's just b/c you're used to seeing fatasses and you probably just live in certain parts of America.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 04:09 AM
17	CMV: neurodivergent/guys on the spectrum should seek partners on the spectrum Many weird awkward women don't want weird awkward guys. Being shitty socially hurts men way way more because social awareness, prowess, and status are key traits women look for just like height (eg even if the woman is short).	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 02:18 AM
1	Women have total control of the dating market A large range in my observation, under 40. But that's only b/c I don't know many women above 40. I do know some but I don't think any of them are perpetually single either. Also, I don't think saying women over 40 are more likely to be single or prefer staying single has the same implications.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/23 09:35 PM
1	The modern dating world has been somewhat ruined by OLD, but it's mostly men's fault. but their role is passive rather than active. It's not passive when they open the gate for these fuckboys over men with decent moral frameworks lol. Doors are not passively opened and people are not passively let in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/23 09:33 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread I see a lot of women online say they are happily single, or that they would rather be single than settle...but honestly it's difficult to find real-life examples of single women to begin with. I know a lot of women and only like a couple who are single....and even then they just happen to be at this point in time. Honestly I don't think any woman comes to mind who is perpetually single IRL. Since it's safe to say most of the men women are with are not Chads or their ideal man, I can only conclud…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/23 07:17 AM
4	Women have total control of the dating market Somehow I doubt that women would rather be single than settle since I know very very few perpetually single women and most of the men they're with are not chads. So you can say maybe these women are just with these men because they make good beta providers vs real or strong attraction...but they ain't staying single, that's for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/23 06:54 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Some types and degrees of sociopathy and psychopathy, yes. But garden-variety depression and anxiety and autism or bipolar or bdd...then no.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/23 06:09 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Depends on how the mental illness affects you. If you're a man and it makes you come across as socially stunted and awkward, your success will be very limited. A lot of goodlooking awkward guys I know usually do get their foot in the door, but it's not long before they fuck it up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/23 06:08 AM
2	Are Romance Novels a Good Indicator of What Turns Women On? Thoughts on "It Ends With Us" The male real-life ideal is still a woman who looks like a porn star, but without the downsides like her sleeping with other men for a living, or the sluttiness plus having her options and potentially cheating on you, due to armies of men just waiting for you to fuck up. The female real-life ideal is still super hot and muscular, edgy, and dominant, but they want him to be faithful, and not to the point of social ostracization or personal endangerment. Basically the fantasy ideals are the same a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/23 06:02 AM
1	It’s hard to take what a lot of men say seriously about relationships/marriage Once again, pounding works because for men the mere visual and mechanic of sex is enough. It's no different from the female fantasy of a hot man treasuring her as the center of the universe. This excludes the fact that a lot of erotic literature also includes rough primal sex as well and it's not as cut and dry as "he loves her, she loves him". The lust, the taboo, the fear of getting caught, the ethical complexity of fucking the rebellious bad boy behind the scenes. It's all there. Both shallow…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/23 08:48 PM
5	It’s hard to take what a lot of men say seriously about relationships/marriage There's a lot of variety in porn. I do find the degrading stuff to be a turnoff tbh, and I don't think most porn involves that. Do you feel the same way about BDSM porn when the male gets off on being submissive? Again, you just think porn is disgusting because it's purely just visual shit that men can get off to depending on whatever their preferences or kink. To you, simply the act of sex or a woman consenting to sex without emotion or romance is degrading. And again, your example/excerpt real…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/23 07:05 AM
4	It’s hard to take what a lot of men say seriously about relationships/marriage It's still media designed to sexually arouse. The fact that the man needs to be in love or in a relationship with her is irrelevant really...erotic literature is still designed to turn you on, and as far as I know the men in most of this literature still need to be very physically attractive. Not to mention...this isn't necessarily true at all. Plenty of narration involves the man being some type of brash untameable rogue-type character in some type of iffy taboo lust-driven situationship with t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/23 06:53 AM
9	It’s hard to take what a lot of men say seriously about relationships/marriage 91% of men watch porn because men are much more visual. 60% of women is still fairly high, and a lot of women in my circles are avid fans of erotic literature, which is basically porn for women. To the point where it's a major common interest over which they bond when conversing or spending time together. Maybe it's bc it's more socially acceptable? Most men I know don't bond with their bros over porn. Everyone knows everyone watches it but it's a very much solo thing as far as I know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/23 03:32 AM
–	If you want women to give up on hypergamous attitude you need to give up on your polygamous attitude Society, at least currently, allows if not straight up encourages female hypergamy and shames general polygamy, which like you said is more of a male trait.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/23 08:39 PM
–	If you want women to give up on hypergamous attitude you need to give up on your polygamous attitude Is...female hypergamy a response or retaliation to male polygamy? B/c I don't think it is. That's just the way women are. We won't need to get into how society enables female hypergamy much more than male polygamy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/23 07:50 PM
6	CMV Face matters the most for your Physical SMV Yup. If you're tall (or even better tall with a good frame and build), your face just needs to be good enough, and there are also plenty of high value women who will overlook a meh or subpar face if the height is there. Once in a while I'll see a guy post something like "I'm 6'2 and in decent shape, 6/10 face, and I can't get women to save my life. This is evidence women want nothing but the best of the best." Bro it's 100% because you are probably awkward as fuck with zero social skills. Litera…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/23 07:40 PM
3	CMV Face matters the most for your Physical SMV I got no science behind this but the hottest highest-tier women I see are all with tall men. Not necessarily with the best face. Back in school it was with the bad-boy types or the most socially outgoing. Plain as day. The "most handsome" dudes were not necessarily with the hottest women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/23 07:38 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Then why would you say "I don't think there are many violent/physical crimes worse than rape" implying you think rape is one of the worst crimes ever and then go on to imply the complete opposite i.e. "rape isn't even as bad as getting your arm broken".	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/23 07:31 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Possibly flaming hot take but I don't think there are many violent/physical crimes worse than rape. If say, you had to choose between having sex with someone they don't want to, or having your arm broken, I think the vast majority would bite the bullet and choose the sex(rape). To me, that seems like a relatively straightforward test to gauge the relative severity of various crimes. Uhhhh doesn't that mean you think that rape isn't that bad? Since you think most people would rather be raped than…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/23 06:58 PM
5	Height is the most influencing factor to a man's SMV I agree with this, whether it's biological or socialized or both. This rings especially true with top tier women. Their guy is almost always tall first and foremost. Other things being optional but usually well-groomed with high status. They aren't necessarily especially goodlooking though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 10:51 PM
2	If you struggle with dating, you are BELOW average Depends on what you mean by "below average". The biggest and most common reason I see for men who struggle with dating is garbage social skills and extreme social awkwardness. This will kill any mood or vibe instantly, especially in this day and age where women have tons of options. I see this happen to goodlooking men all the time. There's no reason for most women to be okay with an awkward looker when there are plenty of lookers who are well-adjusted socially to choose from.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 10:48 PM
16	Do you prefer slim or curvy? You can be both slim with curves in the right places, in the same way a guy can be slim and have good muscle tone. I think this type of build is the general preference of most people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 12:03 AM
13	Why don’t short man and tall woman date each other Because tall women still want taller men, or at least...men who aren't short. The women who are insecure about being tall are going to feel even worse about being seen with a short guy because it will make themselves look even taller. Personally I love tall women, but on the flipside a lot of men in general are socialized to prefer shorter or more petite women. A lot of short men may not find tall women attractive or will find their insecurities exacerbated when with a tall woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 09:07 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread What if she just doesn't find black men attractive and subconsciously wants attractive offspring? You can use the excuse to justify any number of shallow decisions, I don't think preferring tall vs preferring non-black are that different. Ultimately, preferences are very determined by socialization and exposure, and you don't get to cherry-pick which preferences are okay and not. I always thought it's weird that personal dating preferences are some sacred untouchable thing we need to respect whe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 05:54 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread You might be giving women too much credit for being selfless and thinking of their future offspring, but who knows. I talked to a [white] girl a long time ago who said she would not date or marry a black guy because she didn't want her kids to endure racism or have a harder time in society. I was skeptical then and remain skeptical now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 05:19 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread It varies greatly due to one's circumstances how much control a man has over his wealth and social status, but sure. Women are valued much more for their beauty and in this it sounds constrained, but genetically and biologically speaking most women with relative youth and good health are going to be attractive enough for a great deal of the male population. Men have more wiggle room, but that's only b/c they have much less inherent value to begin with and must act to increase their value if they…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 05:02 AM
1	If "hypergamy" is women "dating up" when it comes to "masculine" traits in men that she might not have as much as he does, what is it called when men "date up" when it comes to "feminine" traits in women that he might not have as much as she has? Sure, there are women who end up with men in their league (or below). That's another discussion. I'm saying hypergamy and the sexual dimorphism of SMV traits and societal value thereof as per your OP are unrelated.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 04:45 AM
1	If "hypergamy" is women "dating up" when it comes to "masculine" traits in men that she might not have as much as he does, what is it called when men "date up" when it comes to "feminine" traits in women that he might not have as much as she has? The takeaway is that women are labeled hypergamous (and not men) because they have a hard time being okay with dating a man of equal SMV as herself - they won't settle for less than someone of a higher SMV and league. The actual SMV guidelines - what's masculine, what's feminine - for men and women aren't relevant. You can argue that women aren't hypergamous, or that men are also hypergamous, but I'm just addressing your OP post.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 04:33 AM
1	If "hypergamy" is women "dating up" when it comes to "masculine" traits in men that she might not have as much as he does, what is it called when men "date up" when it comes to "feminine" traits in women that he might not have as much as she has? No....how is achieving a postgraduate degree inherently masculine? Unless you somehow think women are naturally less intellectually capable. Hypergamy is women wanting men higher on the social ladder, no more no less. I'm sure hypergamous men exist, but the stereotype doesn't exist for men because while they do seek women with feminine traits (and obviously, these women will likely be more feminine than them, because they are women), they are content with women in their league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 04:18 AM
1	If "hypergamy" is women "dating up" when it comes to "masculine" traits in men that she might not have as much as he does, what is it called when men "date up" when it comes to "feminine" traits in women that he might not have as much as she has? I don't follow. My point is that it's not about male or female SMV traits. Hypergamy is conventionally tied to women because the idea is that women want a guy who is higher on the ladder than she is. For instance, if she has a bachelor's degree, she may refuse to date a man with the same, but instead wants a man with a Master's or PhD, or maybe holds a job title out of her reach in her current capacity. The specific masculine or feminine traits are moot. Am I missing something from what you're t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 04:12 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Women are hypergamous but not all is lost. A lot of women and men too have major insecurities and hangups and they'll show preference for guys who compensate for their own perceived flaws and fixations. That's why the women most obsessed with height, the ones who often want really tall guys, are often short. Women who hate their race because of dominant culture indoctrination will let it slide if a white guy isn't that goodlooking or well off or they may go for a skinny guy if they pathologicall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 04:08 AM
2	If "hypergamy" is women "dating up" when it comes to "masculine" traits in men that she might not have as much as he does, what is it called when men "date up" when it comes to "feminine" traits in women that he might not have as much as she has? My understanding of hypergamy in women isn't merely preferring masculine traits, bc men in turn prefer feminine traits - on average - and are not said to be hypergamous as a group. It more has to do with women chasing men they view as in higher standing or superiority to them, which means better looking, better off financially, smarter, more athletic, more well connected, with more knowledge and social versatility. If a woman settled for men she views as her equal or in her league, that's not hy…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 04:01 AM
2	Jonah Hills situation is proof why men cant win. He was insecure, they broke up due to his insecurity and somehow he still needs t be condemned It's possible to feel that Jonah Hill did the wrong thing by getting into a relationship with a woman expecting her to change and using manipulative tactics, while at the same time side-eying the fact that the gynocentric media and feminist public response is up in arms for something holy-shit-who-gives-a-fuck two years ago.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 03:49 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Don't care about the Jonah Hill thing. He's one of those arrogant tools who becomes utterly [even more] insufferable after he loses weight because he had so much pent up bitterness and entitlement when he was fat. Shows who he really is once he gets some gumption. His ex is an attention-whoring cunt too, why did she wait all this time before saying anything, and also for such a nothingburger?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 11:05 PM
1	Lauren Sanchez proves that having strong , amoral girl-game is more effective at getting a HVM than being demure and submissive I guess that's fair. There are plenty of HVM with plain faithful wives but are still HV. I guess I'm saying he's HV because potentially the world is his. I don't think he's with a cheating 5/10 because that's the best he can do. Without knowing the details or researching more I can't say why he's still with her. Like I said, a billionaire could be a deformed recluse and still have 10/10 prospects.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 09:38 PM
1	Lauren Sanchez proves that having strong , amoral girl-game is more effective at getting a HVM than being demure and submissive What's your point? If he wanted he could get multiple 10/10s every night for the rest of his life but settled down with her for other reasons unrelated to looks. You honestly think somehow Bezos can't do what these 70-80 year old grampas do because....reasons? The 2nd fucking richest man in the world gets a 5 because that's the best he can do? JFL This would apply to an extent even if he was hideously deformed with zero social skills, which is not the case.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 09:18 PM
1	Lauren Sanchez proves that having strong , amoral girl-game is more effective at getting a HVM than being demure and submissive It doesn't matter what we think about him. If a guy can pull 10/10 women with ease he's high value. Doesn't matter the reason. In this case money is the reason. It's like saying someone isn't high value because his personality sucks or he doesn't have an established respectable career. Doesn't matter if he does well in the sexual and dating market given any effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 07:13 PM
2	What are mens opinions on gym girls? Assuming we're talking high profile gym girls with robust profiles on OF or IG, you can value health and fitness and be disciplined with great results without making a living off of clicks, views, and donations from horny lonely men - or just men. It's basically the more socially acceptable way of selling your body vs prostitution or being a porn star. As a straight man, they are sexually appealing, but they aren't of the personality and psychological profile I'd commit to long term.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 05:32 PM
1	Lauren Sanchez proves that having strong , amoral girl-game is more effective at getting a HVM than being demure and submissive It is the money obviously. And the point being the money is enough to make him high value bc he has so much of it, and the money directly gives him S-tier status, power and influence. He isn't your garden variety millionaire or even billionaire.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 05:19 PM
2	Lauren Sanchez proves that having strong , amoral girl-game is more effective at getting a HVM than being demure and submissive Genuine desire can be felt by women if the man has other qualities besides being goodlooking. But in any case, if Bezos wanted a different 10/10 woman in bed every night, he could get it. Easily. Probably multiple 10/10s, easily. We were just talking about getting laid, not whether or not the women genuinely found him hot or sexy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 12:13 PM
2	Lauren Sanchez proves that having strong , amoral girl-game is more effective at getting a HVM than being demure and submissive He is top 1% in wealth and status and makes most other wealthy high status people look like peasants or broke beggars. He's not upper percentile in looks but he looks normal enough that it doesn't matter b/c his wealth and status is off the charts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 11:57 AM
1	Lauren Sanchez proves that having strong , amoral girl-game is more effective at getting a HVM than being demure and submissive Most rich men don't have trouble getting laid, even if many women may be just into them for their money. Even then, there are women who can come to love men genuinely if it's within the framework of him being a great and powerful provider. Bezos is the 2nd richest man in the world right behind Musk. Literally zero possibility he has trouble getting any - if he wants. If he decides to stay with an unfaithful wife who fucks other guys behind his back it's totally voluntary and on him for being a b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 11:54 AM
1	Lauren Sanchez proves that having strong , amoral girl-game is more effective at getting a HVM than being demure and submissive It's a matter of degree. Being well off usually isn't enough to make someone high value. But he's constantly either the richest or 2nd richest man in the world. So yes in this case, it's enough.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 11:51 AM
–	CMV Women arent more delusional today, they just can choose freely with no boundaries. Just b/c women now are free and unconstrained to exercise more options and opportunities and "be themselves" doesn't mean a lot of women aren't deluded as to their own value. Eg dating apps are mostly male so female hypergamy becomes more apparent with at least some version of the 80/20 rule, so since even subpar women may get DMs from Chads you get armies of women who think they are on his level and deserve nothing less in terms of commitment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 08:01 AM
6	Observation: girls are constantly baiting guys into destroying their own futures at every point in life I don't know about "control" but yes women do definitely have it easier than men in dating. But the title of the OP is loaded as if women are being malicious or trying to ruin men's lives when it's just reaching - and ultimately mate-seeking behavior in this sense goes both ways anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 04:05 AM
2	What dating advice would you give to women? Adhere to traditional feminine gender roles, stick to your own league in terms of looks, but be picky about personality and ethics/moral framework. Even if women don't stay with these guidelines, I honestly rarely see women struggling to secure commitment no matter their circumstances. I can count the number of perpetually single women I know on one hand, and who knows how much of this is actually voluntary.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 03:06 AM
30	Observation: girls are constantly baiting guys into destroying their own futures at every point in life I mean if guys are constantly trying to get sex from girls, aren't they baiting women to become used up whores and single mothers. I dunno.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/23 08:15 PM
–	Hire an escort isnt advice, its an insult. I agree socialization and exposure play a huge role in framing and influencing what people find desirable. There are still plenty of average looking men in commercials and movies and still plenty of average if not busted looking musicians though. Most of music is not kpop or boy bands - if that's what you're even into.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 10:35 PM
2	Do you guys even like women? Why? I don't understand questions like this and this one has obviously also been asked many times. Is it really that complex? Most straight men will always feel a deeply biological need and attraction toward women. This doesn't stop them from feeling frustration, hate, and resentment b/c they perceive that they are slighted or that the women in their lives and society are entitled, toxic, etc. For many men, success with women or a fulfilling relationship is not just a way to fulfill needs of sex, bon…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 03:39 AM
–	When women say they want "a little bit of muscle" on a guy they still mean a lot of muscle .....maybe I don't have a problem with people deciding what they like, as that's fucking obvious. In this thread, I'm talking about people saying they want one thing when they mean another, or people saying they want one thing because they don't want to appear shallow. The amount of women I've come across who've said they don't like or care about muscles only to fixate and gravitate toward fit muscular men (who aren't "muscular" in their eyes bc they aren't roided up) is insane. If you wanna deb…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 03:40 PM
1	When women say they want "a little bit of muscle" on a guy they still mean a lot of muscle The bottom line is when women say they don't like muscles and like slimmer guys, they still have a guy in mind with decent muscle tone and athleticism as her ideal - he doesn't need to be ripped or bulging. Perhaps you're an outlier, in which case it doesn't matter compared to the countless examples I've witnessed. Here's one thing I know for sure. I've heard of women rejecting men because they're too short, too tall (even), too skinny, too fat. Unless he's a roided freakshow, I have never heard…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 06:06 AM
1	When women say they want "a little bit of muscle" on a guy they still mean a lot of muscle ....yes...the very definition of athleticism requires a decent degree of toned high quality muscle. So you like leaner guys but you don't like abs even though lean guys are more likely to have visible abs than probably a lot of guys with more muscle. Like I said, a lot of you are just in the dark with how bodies work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 05:44 AM
0	When women say they want "a little bit of muscle" on a guy they still mean a lot of muscle .....this is exactly what I'm talking about. As if somehow liking muscles means the guy's muscles are too big...or that he's...not lean? LOL. The vast majority of women who tell me they like "leaner" or "skinny" guys always cite a body that is still very much athletic (definitely not soft or skinny fat) despite being obviously slimmer than someone who puts in serious time at the gym.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 03:58 AM
2	When women say they want "a little bit of muscle" on a guy they still mean a lot of muscle Maybe you're an outlier then. Most women look quite different with makeup especially the way it's applied as per the trends these days. But my point is more that the sexes take for granted the effort put in by the opposite sex and are unaware of the work required to keep presentable or attractive. Women take fit men for granted and think it's just an average body, men look at women with makeup and think it's just a normal fresh face, or complain about her taking too much time with hair and prepa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 03:35 AM
–	At the end it's the same Why do you think exposure and socialization is only available for the sake of women? What I mean is there is this purposeful exposure and socialization to equate fat or unconventional looking women as healthy and attractive, but no such thing exists for men. Honestly, I can't think of the last time I saw a man being represented whenever Health At Any Size popped up. Women seem to be more likely to change their minds about a guy after getting to know him a bit than the other way around. Ok so att…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 03:31 AM
–	At the end it's the same Attraction to an extent can be negotiated or is at least very malleable, because dating and sexual preferences have a large exposure and socialized component. Everyone is interested in policing and influencing how you think about politics, socio-economic issues, and everything else but somehow who you want to date and fuck was formed in a vacuum? Unsurprisingly, "it's just my preference" is used whenever convenient. Personally my own preferences have shifted many times, to the point where my ide…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 03:16 AM
5	When women say they want "a little bit of muscle" on a guy they still mean a lot of muscle Women be like "I don't like muscles, I like men on the slim side like Brad Pitt in Fight Club" and "I don't like fit men, I like dadbods like Jason Momoa when he's not preparing for a movie." It's a perfect analogy to when men say "I don't like women who wear makeup, I prefer the natural look" then point to a picture where the woman has full makeup on but just doesn't have contouring and eye shadow up the ass.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 02:24 AM
–	At the end it's the same Re: not being desired sexually, again the problem a lot of men have is society gaslighting them and telling them it's their own fault for not being sexually desirable. E.g. 'Just work on your personality' 'Don't be a creep' 'Get some hobbies' 'Join a club' 'Take a shower, get a haircut'. A little understanding would go a long way. Also, fat women not naturally being desired also can't be helped but you have again, campaigns and movements to normalize and glorify fat bodies, or at least, all type…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 01:59 AM
–	At the end it's the same I can't speak for all men here but I'm going to speak for men here lol and say the gist of it isn't that women don't have problems, it's that society gives a shit about their problems, they have campaigns, assistance programs, popular culture and zeitgeist and politics on their side, and tells men to go fuck themselves, if they can't hack it it's all on them and not anyone else's fault.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 11:56 PM
1	Q4M: an enthusiastic 3 or a starfish 10? I mean more like it's depressing to women (like the person I was responding to) when they realize how shallow men are in this sense. Women are shallow too obviously, but male shallowness is more likely to be the bane of female existence and vice versa.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 11:15 PM
2	Self Improvment Mega Thread WEEKLY DISCUSSION TOPIC "Niche is pronounced 'neesh' not 'nitch'" - Fredrik Neetchy	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 06:13 PM
1	Q4M: an enthusiastic 3 or a starfish 10? I think to rephrase it's not that self esteem isn't an issue if the woman is bored. It's that the hotness of the woman would override any self esteem issues at play. Which may still sound depressing but has a different nuance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 06:10 PM
2	Q4M: an enthusiastic 3 or a starfish 10? Guys jerk off regularly to pictures and videos of attractive women they will never meet in their lifetime, so I don't think boredom is as much of a deterrent for most men as one would think.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 06:06 PM
2	Q4M: an enthusiastic 3 or a starfish 10? I get your point about the averages thing yeah. Why not starfish 7 then lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 05:50 PM
0	Q4M: an enthusiastic 3 or a starfish 10? Not the most fair of questions. Should be more like a starfish 10 vs an enthusiastic 5.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 05:39 PM
3	Women have an hard problem knowing what they should put effort into to be more attractive as a long term partner. There's a reason why the trope of men being simple animals and women being complicated and impossible to please exists. Women initiate most breakups and divorces for a reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 05:32 PM
1	Girls aren't lying about their preferences, they just don't know guys can improve Women don't know that guys can get hotter? If they aren't being disingenuous and deceptive that's even worse. They're just straight up stupid then. I'm going to give women more credit than that and stick with b/c they don't want to sound shallow.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 05:04 PM
7	Who do the really attractive women end up with? Right, obviously, but the discussion is more about what these top-tier women actually want or decide on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 05:00 PM
7	Who do the really attractive women end up with? Common traits I see in the men the cream of the crop women select or end up with are tall, charismatic and well connected. They may not necessarily be the most fit, the smartest or the most handsome, but the first three seem to dominate. Basically people who fit that young CEO vibe, to make an exaggeration.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 04:59 PM
31	When women say they want "a little bit of muscle" on a guy they still mean a lot of muscle Women who say they don't like muscles are either lying, don't want to admit it, insecure so they try to put down fit men, or like OP says deluded and ignorant as to what they actually mean - with plenty of women I've talked to agreeing. When they say "eww I don't like muscular guys" and are serious about it, they are referring to roided out freakshow meatheads. Straight women as a group will always flock to and love naturally muscular fit men. In the same way again men go "I don't like women wit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 04:55 PM
4	Daily Community Chat Megathread I've heard more than a few women now IRL complain about their "situationships" implying it's the guy's fault for not stepping up or making it official lol. If it all started with just casual sex and he hasn't said anything related to LTR, it's not his obligation to do so and you're stupid for staying in contact with him if you actually want commitment confirmed but haven't brought it up. Something something about women tryin to lock down Chad while refusing to associate with guys on her level.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 09:49 PM
1	Only 4 things matter Ya there's def a middle ground. If you use it to the extreme she's gonna either lose any interest she had for you or assume you're not interested at all and you won't even be in her category of consideration.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 09:27 PM
1	Only 4 things matter It's true. Hot women also are used to all men giving them loads of attention so when you withhold attention from them it makes them curious and more open to you - like 'what does this guy have going on that he's not even looking my way?'. I'm not into that RP negging shit but passive tactics like strategically ignoring them absolutely work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 08:27 PM
4	Self Improvment Mega Thread WEEKLY DISCUSSION TOPIC So the self-improvement thread is mostly about diet or fitness. Was searching for posts about things like taking up the accordion at 30 but came up empty.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 08:03 PM
1	If you want to know the reality of a women's sex life watch Friends I don't know how shitty your life is, but even in terms of garbage hobbies that waste time there's more that you could be doing than watching Friends.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 07:46 PM
2	How do you guy stay centered? Now I'm pretty sure 15%-20% of both sex's if they disappeared the world would be a better place. That's a generous estimate lol. I'd say about half (probably more tbh) people are just stupid delusional braindead leeches who lack self awareness among other tools. And sure, I'm probably one of them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 07:44 PM
6	I think “shy / anxious / socially awkward” traits are common in society. I think they affect men’s dating prospects vastly more than women’s. With this in mind, are women too often dismissive of men’s dating struggles? Being socially awkward definitely hurts men wayyyy more than it hurts women in dating, because social competence, intelligence, status, and versatility are key traits women look for and are especially attracted to. It doesn't help that current generations are growing up perpetually online so their social skills development is either severely stunted to nonexistent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 04:44 PM
1	Men who don’t want to date overweight women know it has nothing to do with health Men are obviously shallow, but why the fuck would health not factor into many of their preferences, especially long-term preferences? Why wouldn't men with purposely healthy lifestyles want a partner with a healthy lifestyle?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 04:41 PM
1	Discussion: Men and women who say looks dont matter in the dating market are attractive themselves It's rough for autistic or socially awkward men for sure. Being socially awkward hurts men a lot more than it hurts women, and I have seen many many good looking guys who still struggle with dating because they give offputting or creepy vibes despite it being unintentional. Also just because looks get their foot in the door it's a constant battle to stay inside as there will be plenty of opportunities for them to be ghosted due to said reasons. It's proof that looks matter but social skills matt…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/23 04:37 PM
5	Truly how important is “masculinity” to women? Pretty boys (e.g. e-boys, boy band members) actually look very masculine with defined chiseled features. They are masculine looking guys (with maybe a feminine feature here and there like large eyes or full lips) with good grooming, hair, styling and skincare. Men with actual feminine features, soft unshaped faces and bodies, are ignored or invisible. Literally every example of a "pretty boy" in media that is popular among women fits the former description. They simply just aren't overly bearded…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/23 03:16 AM
2	How do you justify asking for a woman with a low body count, if yours is high? 2nd mistake is assuming men and women should have the same standards. Why do women hold men to higher standards regarding career and height? When's the last time you saw someone call a 5'5" woman a hypocrite for wanting a man who's at least 5'9"? Why do many women naturally seek a man who makes more and is of higher societal standing no matter where she currently is? Why does being socially awkward and quiet hurt men in dating so much more? Almost like there is some innate biology involved. Not …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/23 03:12 AM
1	Most dating advice directed at men is about being as generically attractive as possible. This has a lot to do with why many struggle. Absolutely not. Even with all this blackpill noise going around online most men are not putting in enough effort to be physically attractive and are still buying into bluepill prescriptions. Just take a look around at the men you see on the street or in random public establishments. How hard does it look like they are trying? Even in upper-middle class looks and status conscious areas. Genetics aside most men just look skinny fat or chubby with hair and dress like it was an afterthought. Men are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/23 12:18 PM
7	There is no hook up culture I agree, but I think OP may have meant there isn't a new burgeoning hookup culture that's bigger and more prevalent than what already exists in terms of people just having casual sex here and there. You do read a lot about how this is supposedly a new and problematic thing thanks to the convenience of online dating, social media trends, hedonism and such.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/23 12:13 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread From responses it seems like there are more women who would entertain the thought (or wouldn't mind) of being reborn a man than vice versa.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/23 12:04 PM
2	The Red Pill exists because entire generations of men are lied to about what women find attractive in men, and dismissing it as some angry hate group is simply a way to sweep all of these lies under the rug Sadly, being an asshole can help a lot of men because a lot of women, due to personal issues, trauma, or just the state of things, mistake assholery for confidence, proof of worth, excitement, drama, and such. But even when you exclude these examples, the point I've been hammering for so many responses now is that the majority of these men are already nice and already know how to "treat women right". It is useless because your statement does not help them. How does telling a typical genuinely ni…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/23 11:47 AM
1	Women DO LIKE nice guys who treat them right - but men don't understand female language - CMV Yeah that's the typical strawmen of assuming all these men are just toxic edgelord incels when there are many kind well-meaning men who just suck at dating b/c they don't have the right well-adjusted extroversion, conversational skills, or look. Most people will just tell these guys to try harder, be patient or maybe stop acting creepy, which is why TRP is necessary. It's also why a lot of men may feel bitter - because they've been given the wrong advice their entire lives, by their friends, fam…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/23 02:58 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Thx for the comprehensive answer, you've given this a bit of thought.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 10:03 PM
6	The Red Pill exists because entire generations of men are lied to about what women find attractive in men, and dismissing it as some angry hate group is simply a way to sweep all of these lies under the rug That's a useless statement since the nice boring guys can enjoy the plus of being nice all they want, they still aren't going to have any success versus assholes without this plus who have excelled in other areas. If these niceguys are to be helped, it's to tell these men to work on these areas, which is the entire purpose of the redpill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 10:00 PM
7	The Red Pill exists because entire generations of men are lied to about what women find attractive in men, and dismissing it as some angry hate group is simply a way to sweep all of these lies under the rug You say women don't want assholes, when it's more like there are many many women who would prefer an attractive masculine man who's also nice, but if he's attractive and masculine but not that nice it's good enough. Nice and knowing how to treat a woman right alone, however, is not good enough. The fact that the optimum is hot and nice is beside the point and disingenuous. Because clearly, it's not that women "don't want" assholes since they will still date them all day all night over a boring n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 09:46 PM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread Makes sense. I've heard similar things from men who say not having a dick would suck if they were reborn as a woman. 'fun to play with' et al Not just sexually, but like making circles and drawings when pissing in snow and such.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 09:31 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Why do you like having boobs? Is it b/c they attract men, or do you just think they look nice/cool. I've heard from a lot of women that pragmatically speaking on a daily basis they can be annoying (sweat, discomfort, ergonomics and such).	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 09:26 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread That applies to a lot of incels. Even if you're goodlooking the awful and awkward social skills and interactions that come with autism are instant death.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 09:22 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Or being a pig. With 30 minute orgasms.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 09:18 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread For purposes of discussion, what do you think you would enjoy about being a man?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 09:12 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread The thing that is weird to me is that if you're a top tier man sure I would understand loving it but a lot of these men who complain are presumably the ones saying they are getting passed over for Chad, but at the same time prefer being a man to being a woman. Like I said it's probably just b/c it's familiar but maybe they believe being a woman is easier on paper but secretly they wouldn't want to put up with all the bullshit (eg high beauty maintenance, periods, drama and navigating social situ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 09:10 PM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread I've seen a lot of men complain about how easy women have it and how society is gynocentric and making it hard for men (I don't necessarily disagree), but at the same time say they are glad they are born men and wouldn't want to be reborn as a woman. Do the women here feel the same way? Eg do a lot of you feel like men are babies, entitled, privileged, aren't burdened with as much but at the same time you wouldn't want to be reborn as a man either. If so what are your reasons? I think it's just …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 09:00 PM
14	The Red Pill exists because entire generations of men are lied to about what women find attractive in men, and dismissing it as some angry hate group is simply a way to sweep all of these lies under the rug A nice guy who is masculine will outperform a dickhead who is masculine. If we discard the traumatized or broken women who actively seek out toxic men, I generally agree with this. But whenever I hear "Women actually like nice guys" especially in the context of this sub it sounds extremely pointless because niceguys and men struggling with dating can't do anything with this information. If there are traits (masculinity, status, social and conversation skills, looks) required before a woman will …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 08:49 PM
1	Women DO LIKE nice guys who treat them right - but men don't understand female language - CMV Okay, so what use is this info of yours then? The vast majority of discussion on this sub is framed in the context of pill-based ideologies designed to function as a guide for dating and relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 08:40 PM
4	Women DO LIKE nice guys who treat them right - but men don't understand female language - CMV If you have to be attractive to her first before the niceness matters at all, the statement "women like nice guys who treat them right" is fairly worthless especially if you're trying to dispense dating advice to groups of men who are struggling to get their foot in the door. Literally all that bullshit should be replaced in mainstream dating advice with social skills, looks, and status maxxing. The nail in the coffin is that it literally takes zero skill set development to just be nice to someo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 08:23 PM
31	The Red Pill exists because entire generations of men are lied to about what women find attractive in men, and dismissing it as some angry hate group is simply a way to sweep all of these lies under the rug It's not that all women want assholes (some do), it's that if you're attractive enough, with good social skills, or have enough masculinity and confidence, it doesn't matter if you're nice or a dickhead. Being nice is just a bonus for a lot of women but if he doesn't have the masculine traits it doesn't matter how "right" he treats her; if he has the masc traits having a shitty personality won't hurt him. If we're going to be honest with men struggling in dating it makes sense to talk red pill p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 08:13 PM
1	Most beauty standards are enforced on women by other women As they say, there isn't a straight man in the world who gives a fuck if a woman wears the same dress twice to a formal event.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 04:55 AM
4	CMV: The reason that men "play games" when pursuing sex/relationships is primarily because women are more attracted to men who can hide their level of attraction If being a overly nice pushover attracted women, all men would do that. Playing games and being kind of a dickhead, but not really one to the point that it's problematic, are what works in today's shallow hedonistic dating culture, so that's what more men will increasingly be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 04:51 AM
0	Asking that women be with men they are not attracted to has never, is never, and will never be a remotely plausible solution to anything. I don't see men asking that women get with men they aren't attracted to. I do see complaints and diatribes about the state and trends of society that have caused women to become privileged and entitled to the point of not settling for men in their own league. I see complaints about how power structures have come to be gynocentric and empathetic to the struggles of women while assuming when men struggle (with dating or otherwise) it's due to a fault of character, ethics or drive. It's funny how w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 12:46 AM
5	You might as well go for the most attractive women possible. There's that idea going around that the hottest women also don't care as much about looks b/c they don't feel the need to be validated or 'seen with' a goodlooking hunk. Status and money however is another issue. However, one thing I've noticed from the 10/10 women and the men they date is that they are usually TALL. Faces ranging from 'ehh, whatever' to good. So I guess that's a part of looks. There's a similar thing some women have said online how it's not like the ugly guys are nicer or bette…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 12:34 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Shermannnn!.....What the fuck are you doing here??	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 04:39 AM
1	The idea that these countless men who are struggling to get their equivalent are somehow ALL overrating their own appearance is just disingenuous. There are some men who do, sure but as a whole the disproportionate number of attractive men who have voiced this same complaint cannot be ignored. What? LOL I mean they might in reality bring nothing but who's actually answering posts with "I bring nothing."	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 10:11 PM
1	There is a hypocrisy around overweight women aka “landwhales” ....Is it difficult to believe that fat men are shit on and ridiculed in society and also often in relationships. I'm the puzzled one here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 07:49 PM
1	There is a hypocrisy around overweight women aka “landwhales” Plenty of fat men in relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 07:44 PM
1	There is a hypocrisy around overweight women aka “landwhales” Ever been inside a Walmart?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 07:38 PM
1	There is a hypocrisy around overweight women aka “landwhales” They barely see them what?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 06:50 PM
1	There is a hypocrisy around overweight women aka “landwhales” The mainstream popularity of the 'dadbod' as often referenced originated from some article written by some sorority airhead pick-me trying to sound edgy and different by presenting herself as someone who liked men who had let themselves go a little bit despite not being entirely a lardass. Her reasons were something like feeling less intimidated or worried that he would be hit on by other women, and also that it meant he didn't mind having fun, didn't shun beers and pizza, and would pay more att…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 06:36 PM
1	There is a hypocrisy around overweight women aka “landwhales” Women shit on fat men all the time, what are you talking about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 06:33 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Yo-yo dieting is a myth. A quick google search brings up this random link: https://steven-m-kemp.medium.com/does-yo-yo-dieting-really-damage-your-metabolism-5068b26f130f Honestly if our bodies were so naturally great at conserving calories and energy starvation would hardly ever be an issue throughout most of human history; it's only in recent times that excess food is actually the problem, which is why rich people are more likely to be thin and poor people fat when in most of history it was obv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 06:02 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread It's natural for exercise to make you more hungry because your body needs the extra energy for recovery. You can still eat just enough for your body to fulfill those needs and not more. A good workout actually suppresses appetite for a couple hours or more afterward because your body is busy with post exercise-related metabolic processes and doesn't want you to concern yourself with digestion. Burning 500 calories in the gym and then eating 500 calories still nets you a positive because of the i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 05:57 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread What is this bullshit about 'working out' or 'exercising' being good for health but not actually helping weight loss. Exercise increases over basal metabolism, and burns calories (more than during the actual exercising) for hours afterward due to metabolic changes and recovery/growth, alters and improves mitochondric activity within cells, and so on. This goes doubly so if you lift weights, because weightlifting itself burns very little calories but requires a lot of energy (and food) afterward …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 03:18 PM
0	We'll never have true equality as long as some women want to be treated special just because they are women. That's why gender equality is bullshit, bc the genders aren't inherently biologically equal on average. Most women innately want a protector or provider in comparison to themselves, no matter how accomplished or financially successful they themselves are. Hence the wave of college educated women who are having problems finding men more educated than them; why would this be even an issue if women didn't care tremendously about dating men higher on the ladder and ignoring men otherwise? Gender rol…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 03:14 PM
-1	There is a hypocrisy around overweight women aka “landwhales” LOLLL and people seriously wonder why our modern society is so degenerate. How many hoops does your brain have to jump through to conclude that the average flabby American who can't jog an easy mile without passing out - the most likely profile of someone with a BMI of over 25 - is actually at the top of the heap in terms of health, JFL.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 08:29 PM
10	There is a hypocrisy around overweight women aka “landwhales” Ah yes the token BMI-isn't-an-accurate-measure-of-health response in every one of these posts. Unless you're a heavily muscled athlete with a very specific training plan in tow, in which case it would be obvious that you don't have a fat problem (unless you're one of those fat powerlifters), 99.9% of the time in our sedentary modern society if your BMI is higher than recommended you could stand to shed some pounds. Well over half of western society isn't walking around with high BMIs because of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 03:44 AM
1	Women insist that their “taste” or standards are instinctual and without any outside influence, and that they can’t be changed when the opposite has been proven when it comes to physical attraction. Their inflated standards are quite clearly the direct result of their abundance of options. I mean taste is always inherently significantly affected by outside influence or environmental factors and exposure, so the CMV is hardly unique to modern women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 03:33 AM
1	The modern dating dynamic is extremely uneven and it only seems to be getting worse Depends on who you ask. You hear a lot of men online say it's because women refuse to settle for men in their league and keep trying to lock down men better than them due to hypergamy even though those men won't commit. Others say entitlement, boss girl feminist culture and all that. If you ask me people will always be inherently dissatisfied no matter how good they have it or fortunate they are. Unhappiness comes from the gap between expectations and reality so maybe there's that as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/23 01:36 AM
5	Why don't low quality women just lower your standards comparable to where you actually are? I get the fear of being hurt. I'm just saying it's kinda weird to hear "I have no success in dating" from people who purposely isolate themselves, for whatever reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 07:59 PM
1	Maybe the issue is the extreme bitterness toward women My criteria is a woman who isn't really ugly, objectively speaking, isn't truly insane and isn't almost obssesed with money and certainly expecting me to solve all her finantial problems. This is the bit the person (with the deleted comment) was responding to...by just angrily rambling on about how looks aren't objective.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 07:57 PM
2	Maybe the issue is the extreme bitterness toward women ...I was talking about the person responding to your post and defending your post lol. You were simply stating your modest standards and they responded by just criticizing your "objectively not ugly" remark by rambling about how looks aren't objective.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 07:56 PM
1	Maybe the issue is the extreme bitterness toward women A very significant portion of beauty is subjective and from socialization and exposure, there's also another part that is objective or more innate, and while the post is deleted anyway it's just more like completely beside the point to harp on in a response to a guy just listing out his modest standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 07:28 PM
1	Why don't low quality women just lower your standards comparable to where you actually are? A lot of men don't care if the woman is "boring" or not that interesting but maybe those types of men don't appeal to you. But you said you hate dating and you're a shut-in so that factors in a lot - but it is weird to hear you say you shun dating and then talk about not having success in dating lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 07:10 PM
3	The modern dating dynamic is extremely uneven and it only seems to be getting worse Dating since the dawn of time has always been the onus on men to entertain or charm women like a court jester. Modern tech like OLD has just made it much more unbalanced due to women having access to way way more potential men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 07:03 PM
4	Why don't low quality women just lower your standards comparable to where you actually are? The reason why incels and femcels can't just date each other is b/c the main problem 99% of the time isn't their looks, it's their social incompetence, mental illness and deep-seated issues, hatred, and lack of trust toward the opposite sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 06:59 PM
24	Why don't low quality women just lower your standards comparable to where you actually are? Also, when there is no shortage of thirsty guys and simps, sometimes Chads, hooking up or associating with women it's pretty easy for low quality women to still think they have a chance. You hear about Chads refusing to commit but when Chad is still hitting you up in the DMs it's hard to be realistic about your potential.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 06:55 PM
4	Why don't low quality women just lower your standards comparable to where you actually are? If you're decent looking and haven't had success (and assuming you have been trying) you must come across as a complete spaz, creep, or crazy person. I would even say this if you were a man, but you're a woman, so that goes doubly so. In your defense you might just be painfully painfully awkward or shy and just run away at the slight hint of interaction but that goes against the premise of you actually wanting to date.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 06:49 PM
–	Women define being single as not in an official relationship, men define being single as not sexually active. This leads to an inherent lack of understanding. Yeah I mean the gist is it's easier for women to be "single" because it's easier for them to get FWB or casual sex and flings, but I would agree both men and women define single the same way for the most part.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 12:24 AM
6	I don't get why Western Women complain about Passport Bros They complain about it bc they don't want it to catch on and become popular among even the men they want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/23 03:35 AM
0	Maybe the issue is the extreme bitterness toward women This has to be one of the biggest baddest coolest magnanimousest raddest strawmen I've ever seen on Reddit and that's saying a lot lmao. And you typed all that out with a straight face too I bet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 05:16 PM
1	Women don’t cheat because they’re ‘emotionally unsatisfied’ I mean...technically those three real reasons OP listed still qualify as and amount to "emotional satisfaction" lol *welp A woman doesn't feel good emotionally or psychologically when she perceives her man is (or has become) a boring broke loser.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 05:09 PM
5	Describe the "modern man" That’s not really true. I think you’re just thinking of two different women. Most women who want men to earn more and have more status, and all that actually are more traditional. If it was really one way or the other, I don't think men would have as much of a problem with it. Problem is I don't think there is a shortage of women who like to cherrypick from both traditional and progressive role prescriptions to suit them as they wish. E.g. wanting their own money and spouting anti-traditionalist…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 05:05 PM
3	American women have the worst reputation for relationships / marriage in the entire world. This is not (so much) the case for American men. It's possible. But I won't bc I've thought about it enough and seen enough.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 02:15 AM
1	Nonverbal consent Keep going if you are reading their actions as willing and stop if this changes, like they start to physically resist or say no......or is this too logical and old fashioned in today's sociopolitically charged shitstorm?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 01:43 AM
6	American women have the worst reputation for relationships / marriage in the entire world. This is not (so much) the case for American men. Anything is possible. Is it possible I'm wrong, yes. Do I think I'm wrong, no. lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 01:40 AM
12	Describe the "modern man" This sounds fine on paper. I think a lot of men complain that there are so many women nowadays who want their own money, career, friends, life etc. as per in line with progressive ideals but at the same time also want a man to spend their money on her (my money is my money, your money is our money, etc). These women emphasize equality and rail against traditional gender roles then turn and give in to their biology by only liking men with higher paying or higher status careers and other metrics. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 01:34 AM
4	Any unusual flags/traits you look out for in women? If we're talking about long-term commitment rather than just ONS or short term FWB, any unnatural hair dye (eg blue, green, purple, pink), piercings beyond ear piercings, or tattoos. Not saying every woman who has any of these is going to be problematic. It's just, why take the risk? None of these probably qualify as unusual flags though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 07:37 PM
47	American women have the worst reputation for relationships / marriage in the entire world. This is not (so much) the case for American men. Postmodern western white women are the most coddled privileged demographic in the history of the world. The fact that there are women in this category sucking in life despite having the colossal overall backing of the media, social services and clout, government and political narrative says a lot. Aside from those born into excessively unfortunate individual circumstances, how do you lose, I don't get it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 04:29 PM
12	CMV : Women underestimate the sheer effort and time towards looking like a big muscular gym bro, which is why they say they don’t like gym/muscular guys They don't like it if it's taken to the extreme, and they like moderately muscular fit men but at the same time are oblivious to the effort or take it for granted. Much in the same way men express annoyance with women and time spent on makeup and hair and talk about liking the natural makeup free look. But once a woman neglects these things men say she looks tired and unattractive and are repulsed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 04:15 PM
1	Men are not a monolith, women are not a monolith. What’s the value in engaging in absolutism? I'm not necessarily of the opinion that if you have a choice it's more ok to be criticized (or that lack of choice makes one immune), but that's not the topic here and for what it's worth thx for clarifying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 04:10 PM
60	American women have the worst reputation for relationships / marriage in the entire world. This is not (so much) the case for American men. If anything media makes American men (and men in general) look stupid and shitty. In what movie or shows do you see women much less specifically American women being ridiculed?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 04:04 PM
1	Men are not a monolith, women are not a monolith. What’s the value in engaging in absolutism? I'm assuming bc from observation it's rampant to the point that it seems like everyone does it. Many people of all ideological types don't identify as idiots or radicals but speak in absolutes all the time, simply because they don't end everything they say with "Not all _____________ though." And they shouldn't have to as I said. It's not just guys saying AWALT, it's also men responding to feminists with "not all men", white people saying "not all white people". Usually when POC (e.g. non-radica…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 02:50 PM
–	Men are becoming more conservative, women are moving left. That's obvious, but then liberal women go on to criticize the ideology of loser men who strive to be chad and say it doesn't work and just to be nicer (and more liberal!).	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/23 05:18 PM
20	Men are not a monolith, women are not a monolith. What’s the value in engaging in absolutism? It's pretty damn hard to make arguments for your beliefs or ideology without speaking in some sort of absolutes, with the implication that exceptions obviously exist. That's why you have people saying "___________ aren't a moNoLiTh" and then going on to make generalizations about entire groups themselves - usually the groups they are against or criticizing. So the "not a monolith" thing is pointless basically and should be inherently understood for those above a room temp IQ or debating in good …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/23 04:17 PM
3	Are there any women in favor of the passport bro movement? Women don't care as long as it's just loser men going overseas. When it becomes more mainstream and even the men they want are doing it, the tune will change.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/23 04:16 PM
3	Stop making 1 to 1 comparisons between men and women. We are biologically different. Also stop looking at female attraction through a male lens. I'm saying almost every straight man would fuck an objectively 6/10 stranger. A significant percentage of women would not fuck an objectively 10/10 stranger. The most attractive men on dating apps still don't get as much attention as slightly above average women. These 10/10 men are obviously still more attractive than the 6/10 women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/23 09:12 PM
3	Stop making 1 to 1 comparisons between men and women. We are biologically different. Also stop looking at female attraction through a male lens. You can't compare men and women in this sense is what I'm saying. There are women out there who straight up won't fuck Henry Cavill given the chance because they don't feel any deeper connection with him or he's not their type despite acknowledging he's conventionally attractive. Can you say the same about a woman who's only a 6/10 but willing to have zero strings sex? How much digging would you need to do to find a sane straight man who would say no? Again, b/c men and women are different, not …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/23 08:23 PM
4	Stop making 1 to 1 comparisons between men and women. We are biologically different. Also stop looking at female attraction through a male lens. With neutral/zero context, many men will find a 4/10 (or lower) female stranger attractive enough to fuck no strings attached. Many women won't find a 6/10 (or higher) male stranger attractive enough to fuck no strings attached. There are even women who, if taken for their word, are incapable of feeling attraction toward men without knowing anything else about them no matter how good he looks. These are due to the biological differences in how men and women are affected by sexual desire. By your…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/23 08:02 PM
7	'Liberal Woman' Goes Viral On TikTok For Saying It's Hard To Find 'Masculine' Man Who's Not Conservative Masculine liberal men are basically conservative in terms of gender roles but liberal bc fuck the man fight the power and they wanna grow pot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/23 07:52 AM
1	Pretty much every advice targeted at men is to make them to wait until they are too old to do anything Pretty sure even if they say male SMV peaks later the solution isn't to just sit around and get fat and broke and do nothing until then. I don't know how anyone could read any RP material at all and come away with thinking that this is advice to stay idle and wait.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/23 07:34 AM
2	Most boys and girls were mostly raised by women who conditioned them to worship women. Or that it's not just the dad being away at work, there is often no dad at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 06:51 AM
-1	Why does having "issues" cause women to be promiscuous? I wasn't actually abused by my parents in the definitive sense, but there was plenty of less-than-ideal stuff that may have been well-intentioned but ultimately damaging. It's more subtle but nevertheless to me still apparent when looking back. I was also bullied (many kids were) and didn't get out especially much. But in the end, especially in this day and age with the media noise nonstop, how hard is it to realize as a young budding mind that abuse and bullying is bad? Honestly to the point th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 12:30 AM
4	Why does having "issues" cause women to be promiscuous? My rationale is you need an inner voice to ensure more complex cognitive processes like long-term planning and reasoning, reciting, and reinforcement of more in-depth material. If they can't or don't do that I don't have much faith in any of their decision-making, or the conclusions they've drawn about life, or anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 12:02 AM
2	Why does having "issues" cause women to be promiscuous? I wonder if that "fact" that's made the rounds on the internet is true, that 50% of people don't actually have an inner voice. If so no wonder the world is fucked and everyone seems very stupid. They're basically zombies or pond worms.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 11:57 PM
4	Why does having "issues" cause women to be promiscuous? I always wonder what is the difference between abuse victims who go on to serial date abusive people and in turn abuse their own kids (bc supposedly it's what they innately feel is normal or familiar) vs those who make it a point to avoid the abusive element for the rest of their lives - almost to a pathological degree - and try to raise their kids differently. Me personally, after my early teens it was apparent to me what was "good" and "bad" in my upbringing, including within my formative expe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 11:53 PM
1	When women have bad relationships they are told to “pick better” but when men are, we assign blame to women Telling women to pick better and blaming women is a reaction to what is actually more entrenched: the progressive mainstream notion that it's always the man's fault. The idea(s) OP are against are obviously more common in online manosphere or RP circles, both which are again reactionary to the zeitgeist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 06:41 PM
1	CMV: The biggest problem in this sub is people beginning with concepts that are based in truth then taking them to the point of absurdity. And as if that isn't bad enough they double, triple and quadruple down on the absurdity when called on it. People have different tastes obviously, but it's still hard to shake the fact that some people just have shitty taste and observation. If you visit the doppelgangers sub you'll realize just how blind and inobservant people are (you look like (insert celeb) because of your hairstyle!) Anyway, if someone with shitty taste is drawn to a ratfaced 3/10 and not into a 10/10, how valuable is the 10/10 in that scenario anyway. On the other end, if you aren't attracted to men it's pretty disingenuous and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 06:32 PM
1	Its hypocritical of men to criticize promiscious women, when those men want to engage in casual sex. That's why there's no such thing as double standards for this topic. Men and women are attracted to different criteria in each other, so therefore the standards are not the same anyway, and should not be the same.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 02:52 AM
–	Fashion and Models with morbid obesity I'm not saying both truths can't coexist but I've heard the thing about the fashion industry and gay men many times and can't help but feel surprised since studies and articles often show gay men as constantly wanting to fit a hypermasculine ideal. I also remember reading that the men gay men are attracted to are often more masculine than the men straight women like. I suppose it's also possible that gay men like hypermasculine men but want themselves to be skinny or waiflike as an opposite or c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 02:50 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread I figured but hard to tell with reddit	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 02:45 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread If you're 6'2 with a 6 face and having a hard time you must be very socially fucked up and incompetent. A 6'2 6/10 who has average to decent social skills does not struggle with women. The difference between a 5'8 6/10 and a 6'2 6/10 in dating success is gigantic. You're effectively an 8 with your height and should be able to regularly land commitment with at least 7/10s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 02:34 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Why wouldn't it be the reverse. Tough foods and playing outside are the opposite of what the younger generations are eating and doing. The technology and means are there but sloth and convenience rules all. Innate genetics aside chads aren't molded via comfort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 02:31 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread It's not cheating if she's from a different area code, and def not if it's a different galaxy code.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 02:28 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Weak troll effort that doesn't even make any sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 02:26 AM
3	The idea that we live in a “hookup culture” and that a significant number of women are having an abundance of casual sex is a myth. Most women have zero interest in casual sex and have a limited number of sexual partners in their lifetime. Maybe OP's point is that even the most promiscuous women out there sans a select few aren't racking up gigantic body counts by their 30s as per a popular manosphere narrative. I've known some slutty ass women and observed it to be somewhat true. It can get bad, but nowhere near as bad as they say, statistical anomalies aside.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 02:22 AM
1	CMV: The biggest problem in this sub is people beginning with concepts that are based in truth then taking them to the point of absurdity. And as if that isn't bad enough they double, triple and quadruple down on the absurdity when called on it. Even Henry Cavill isn't immune lol. I've heard quite a few women say they don't find him that attractive. I would chalk this up to denial but they turn and simp for other male celebs I would not expect. People can also be just inobservant, glib or stupid when assessing looks but regardless they like what they like. Sometimes when you hear a female friend look at a photo of Alain Delon in his prime and say he looks like "just a basic white man" you question just how much you should care about oth…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 02:14 AM
8	CMV: It makes sense that men (particularly ones who had a glow up) don't treat women with much respect. Many people nowadays have a very entitled individualistic approach to daily life and come across as either arrogant or stuck in their own bubble, treating people like they are invisible if not like shit - unless the person has something they want or is attractive to them. Things like courteous or polite smiles and gestures are a thing of the past, for either side. A lot of men might perceive or take this type of default treatment poorly from women who are mostly on average pickier than men when …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/23 03:28 PM
2	CMV: It makes sense that men (particularly ones who had a glow up) don't treat women with much respect. It's not really hard to have friends. You can be an ugly boring piece of shit and still have friends. If you're attractive it just makes it easier, but you can still fuck it up by being socially stunted and awkward. I know plenty of these men. Granted being socially awkward and weird is different from just being neutral or bland.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/23 03:24 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread shrug it's the same reason why people have things like pride in what they can't or didn't control (in sexual orientation, gender, race, culture). It's a reaction to what they perceive (real or imagined) as years of being told they suck for those uncontrollable reasons.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/23 07:31 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread The point though being it's a reactionary countermeasure to the years of postmodern progressivism shaming and holding men responsible for things they didn't do also.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/23 07:22 PM
1	Fashion and Models with morbid obesity But isn't the appeal of the modeling industry in great part due to its exclusivity? Being bony or rail thin and 6 feet tall were never the norm for women anyway and yet this was still marketed to them as the primary demographic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/23 05:55 PM
3	Fashion and Models with morbid obesity Then why is it either super thin models or [now, apparently] fat ones. You'd think you'd see a lot more normal size everyday looking people in magazines then. Even though personally I don't find a lot of rail thin models attractive, the appeal to many in the industry has always been the exclusive angle. In this sense thinness has been a thing to be worshipped specifically bc it's so uncommon, esp in the west. I don't think anyone today will ever see fatness as an exclusive goal bc it's easy to g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/23 05:51 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread The reality is neither the boss girl strong independent woman trope of the progressive west nor that of Russia. Career and money are a non-issue for straight men looking for a partner. There are a lot of women who like to say men are intimidated by a powerful smart woman but it's much more likely that she just emits a personality that is annoying, arrogant and insufferable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/23 09:39 PM
2	Why do so many men here want casual sex? You value what you struggle to get. Most people on reddit suck socially so it's not a surprise men on reddit struggle with getting sex, in addition to dating just being a lot harder for men. Being bad socially hurts men a lot more. You can suck socially as a woman but as long as you're attractive enough casual sex won't be hard to find.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/23 08:36 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread By them saying what they say and how they say it, it's implied that with those factors and traits they think it's a no-brainer for attracting men. It's different when men say it b/c career and finances matter a lot more to women when searching for a partner than vice versa.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/23 08:31 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread I'm sure that is the case, but I've also seen my fair share of women complain about men while touting what they view as strengths "well established financially, career-driven, independent, why wouldn't men want me"	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/23 08:24 PM
1	Why do you think (some) men are becoming attracted to this? There are many traits in women that I find attractive (I'm very straight) that are deemed masculine like height, broad shoulders, tanner skin, or squarer jaws. I think these traits are amazing when combined with conventionally feminine features like higher levels of bodyfat (athletic but not too ripped) and curves.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/23 07:08 PM
4	WHAT IS SOMETHING THE OPPOSITE SEX USUALLY HATES ABOUT THEIR BODIES THAT YOU ACTUALLY LOVE? Discussion Thread The meme of hunter eyes is weird. A lot of other criteria make sense like facial definition, jawline, height, muscles, and yes, race (still live in a very white-centric world) etc. but I don't think I've ever come across a woman who actually likes those squinty eyes. A lot of my female friends have gushed over men and that has never been a trait I've observed. It's always the bigger friendlier more feminine eyes they like.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/23 06:48 PM
6	WHAT IS SOMETHING THE OPPOSITE SEX USUALLY HATES ABOUT THEIR BODIES THAT YOU ACTUALLY LOVE? Discussion Thread A lot of tall women seem to dislike that they are tall. I see many conventionally attractive tall women who curiously walk with a slouch or bad posture, maybe from years of trying to look shorter like their peers while growing up. A lot of men also seem averse to tall women. More for me, I love the tall ones.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/23 06:37 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Game is more important than looks, if you consider game is just good social skills and awareness - and by extension social proof and implied status. Looks alone will always help to a degree but game will help more. There are plenty of goodlooking socially stunted men who struggle with women. There are no men with good game (aside from the extremely deformed) who struggle despite what they look like. Men who claim they struggle despite using game are either the unfortunately deformed or they actu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/23 06:25 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Lots of women project hard with the career/success/respect stuff and get triggered when they aren't taken seriously in authoritative positions. Men dgaf or at least care a lot less about a woman's career and power but women just assume it's important bc they themselves care a lot about that in a man long term. And why does every guy have that mirror phone selfie where they squint to try to look subtly tough and masculine but it just looks like they're holding in a fart or caught a whiff of a bad…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/23 06:22 PM
–	Women Cannot Detect a Red Pilled Man If He Knows What He's Doing This makes sense, as a big excuse a lot of women give for dating or getting locked down with shitty men is that they say they did not seem shitty at first or that he didn't show his true colors until later on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/23 08:45 PM
0	Women objectify themselves. My understanding of objectification is the appreciation and value of physical beauty separate or apart from, an above/over the actual person's personality. Physical attraction is inherently objectifying. I've talked to feminists who straight up agree that women objectify themselves as well as objectify men (because they are humans) but then go straight on talking about how women are objectified in society and how it needs to stop.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/23 06:14 PM
3	Painful Truth: most people (both men and women) think they're better than the average - and this leads to disappointment in dating tldr even ugly poor people want goodlooking rich people, and there's only so much that can change in terms of people being more realistic about their options.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 03:35 PM
-1	Why women claim they hate when a man cold approaches and why almost all men should cold approach. With the internet, many people grow up today with zero social skills so it's not a surprise a lot of women find the idea of a cold approach (or talking with any male stranger in public) to be intimidating or terrifying. In addition to this online dating has made it possible to vet men from the safety of their homes with zero social awkwardness, but it's like saying I hate the hassle of going to the store to shop now. I've come to dislike it bc online shopping has made it too convenient and easy …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 06:17 AM
–	It appears that women don't want men Lazy ass disingenuous argument about something everyone literally knows is true but doesn't want to talk about it lol. Smh go on now. BuT YoU HaVe No EvIDeNcE	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 05:30 AM
–	It appears that women don't want men My experiences and observations, the observations of countless other men (and women). No peer-reviewed journal citations, sorry.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 05:19 AM
6	It appears that women don't want men Or maybe in society women are more often observed to lie about what they want in order to look good, upstanding, or not shallow. Hence watch what they do, not what they say. Of course all people potentially do this, but with women the meme exists for a reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 09:23 PM
3	The mockery directed toward's peterson's crying on live Tv is proof of women's loathing of weak emotional men. They mock Peterson b/c they already dislike him for other reasons. Although it's common for say, women who identify as feminists to insult men they dislike by using emasculating insults like micro-dick or pussy, tell them to 'man up' etc that uphold the very toxic masculinity they say they are against.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 07:36 PM
9	CMV : For a woman to want to commit most of her mortal life to a man and grant him exclusive access, he SHOULD be pretty impressive, not just a guy who exists Since we're going the tradcon route, for a man to commit all his resources, provisions, and protection and labor to a woman for the rest of his mortal life, she should be pretty impressive, not just a woman who exists. This switcheroo feels a lot more relevant to discussion since biologically women are the ones given inherent value and men need to earn it. Why should women have inherent value no matter how mediocre she is if a man is agreeing to give all his time, money, and labor to her forever…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 06:51 PM
6	I think the biggest problem in dating is that women are simply not honest about what they are attracted to, and despite the fact that men have learned this they are simply told: “so you’re going to tell an actual woman what she wants?” When men say never take dating advice from women. Reminds me of those lists that get passed around about what women would love men to do. eg #4 Surprise her at work with flowers!!~ Lolll yeah....after she's already fucked you, otherwise it's restraining order time and ultimate creepo vibes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/23 05:10 AM
3	CMV : A big cause of confusion is that the male “average” is statistically above average, but women understandably perceive this above average guy as average Average to women means the average in a pool of guys she would ever consider dating or fucking. The actual average is the middle-aged invisible schlubby dude at the grocery store, if not Walmart.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/05/23 07:39 PM
19	No one ever seems to want to acknowledge that women consistently go for abusive, bad natured men. If you bring this up all they do is shame you to silence the discussion, and this is probably the most prominent example of gaslighting in dating/gender dynamics. The problem again is we tell men struggling with dating that they need to be nicer or respect women more, or that they aren't "truly nice" and we go down a rabbithole of highlighting all their potential problems. Meanwhile ex-con shitbags pull like no other but society is never ever comfortable with that conversation. I'm not saying being a shithead is a good thing objectively at all, but we aren't being honest with men in any sense, to serve the bullshit current sociopolitical narrative(s).	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/05/23 07:37 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread I interact with mostly young women or just women in general in my social circles but none of them are still in h/s or whatever. Being underweight is extremely uncommon even though not everyone is fat. I'm going to make the assumption you can't be anorexic but still at a normal weight unless you've only been anorexic for like a couple weeks and then go back to not being anorexic. This shit is for privileged white women (or those adjacent) because they don't have any other problems to worry about …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 09:29 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Then why are so many young women not only "not skinny", but actually chubby or fat? You know they aren't lacking in food intake. Being too skinny is not something I would ever label as a prevalent problem in America or the west. Furthermore, the loudest figureheads for things like body positivity or health at any size also seem to be the opposite of this phenotype and aesthetic. I don't buy that having life-threatening anorexia is the same as being a chubby woman with disordered fucked up eating…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 08:47 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread It is dangerous. It's also way way way less common in places where noise about body positivity is the loudest, and when it occurs in line with disordered eating it's an upper middle class white woman (or adjacently ie someone with a lot in common with this demographic) with the privilege and luxury of going to extreme lengths to control their weight. I'm more talking about prevalence of a problem versus the volume. Trans people are 1% of the population. Their issues are real but why does it some…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 08:14 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Unfortunate that the damage of these types of things is double pronged (the lives of the accused can be destroyed and also future victims can become more reluctant to step forward) but only the latter was mentioned by the judge. Can't expect anything less from misandrist wokery in this day and age but I'll be fine with it if more of these people are brought to justice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 08:07 AM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread The fact that body positivity, attention and fear toward eating disorders and 'being too skinny' and all related bullshit has actually been a thing while the west on average gets fatter and fatter is proof mainstream political zeitgeist is coming from a left-wing upper middle class deluded demographic. Even if you aren't some basic upper mid class white girl with disordered eating causing you to be underweight, you are likely to be associated or have many commonalities with them. Nevertheless, t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 08:04 AM
1	Not many women seek casual sex, but it takes just each of them having a on-and-off with the top % men for 20/80 rule to work. This is true. A lot of women I know aren't what I would label as sluts but they do have that one or two guys over a span of many years that they just slept with a couple times - in their defense as far as I know in between relationships for the most part so it wasn't cheating, but there you have it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/23 12:48 PM
2	Not only is jealousy a normal healthy part of dating; but mate-guarding is seen as attractive Again the answer is obvious. Too much jealousy infers insecurity amongst other issues and problems and hampers the entire relationship dynamic, too little jealousy or complete absence of it makes people feel like they aren't valued or that their partner is apathetic or cold. Women don't want a guy constantly raging whenever she comes within three feet of other men but they also don't want to say "Hey I'm going to be spending the weekend with my four guy friends at the lodge" and for their guy to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/23 12:44 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Weird you somehow think "all men are pigs" and "even bi women dislike other bi women" are on the same level. I suppose this is where you fall back on "but I said all people suck".	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/23 08:27 PM
1	TRP is not based on science, it's based on what intuitively sounds true Women are more empathetic in general - more likely to exercise empathy and care toward humanity, their communities, and re: for example social or environmental causes, but actually less so in the context of dating and any prospective or current men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/23 07:26 PM
1	Chivalry is not dead, it is just reserved a few very important women Nobody deserves chivalry or anything and deserve is a pointless trite word. I think OP was saying realistically speaking men exercise chivalry nowadays only to a select group of women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/23 07:25 PM
37	Theories on why Average and Underaverage women are harsher on men than actually Cute women I think this isn't rocket science and also isn't gender or sex specific. Average and underaverage people are treated less well by everyone, with less social privileges and over time it makes people bitter and angry and leads to defense mechanisms and shitty attitudes. Running contrary to societal blue-pill shit like "Personality matters most"...and ofc the gaslighting is worse for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/23 02:57 PM
5	TikTok gender swap pill: Women surprised that most of them look like unattractive men Compared to a 4/10 man, her prospects for an LTR or marriage are still much much better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/23 08:50 AM
2	TikTok gender swap pill: Women surprised that most of them look like unattractive men I didn't actually look at the video before commenting as it's not relevant to what I was responding/adding to. But in any case in addition facially speaking it's a lot easier for women to be attractive to men than vice versa. A 4/10 woman will still have a significant amount of men willing to date or wife her up if she puts in minimum effort. This doesn't even count all the possible social halos like being thin, being blonde or white, and such.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/23 05:34 AM
42	TikTok gender swap pill: Women surprised that most of them look like unattractive men Also why FtM trans people have a much easier time passing than vice versa. At worst FtM will just look like a soft dude...the sexual dimorphism in male skulls makes a lot of MtF look offputting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/23 03:52 PM
71	TikTok gender swap pill: Women surprised that most of them look like unattractive men Yeah...feminine looking faces (rounder, softer, lacking angularity or male sexual dimorphism), while not always ugly, aren't going to be "hot" to straight women. Before people say but what about those trendy e-boys and kpop guys...yeah, most of them actually have chiseled masculine features. They just also have good skin and hair and style, and specifically they are and look young, and younger women have been attracted to these boy band types since the beginning of time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/23 03:47 PM
1	TRP is a description of the world not an instruction on what to do about that reality. TRP does has no inherent aim other than to model and represent the truth of the dating market in a methodical, structured way. Your definition of cult is wrong. Look it up. Edit: Also, what do you think TRP is ultimately trying to get men to do that's different from advertised exactly? Come here and learn how women work, so that eventually we can get you in on this lizard people crypto gigapyramid scheme or what? Seeing as how people complain about how TRP is everwhere now with their misogyny seems pretty darn overt to me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 02:01 PM
2	This sub doesn't actually seem to be about discussing gender issues Most subs are echo chambers and even though PPD is self-styled a debate sub the people in it are no different. Nobody debates to learn or find solutions. They just debate to be right. Nobody (for the most part) starts CMV posts with the intention of ever changing their mind.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 07:29 AM
2	TRP is a description of the world not an instruction on what to do about that reality. TRP does has no inherent aim other than to model and represent the truth of the dating market in a methodical, structured way. One of the primary characteristics of most cults is exclusivity and secrecy. As far as I can tell from the views of most RPers, the more men know about it the better, and they won't stop talking about it. Regardless of how it started out, RP also doesn't just allow for but encourages personal freedom, agency and independence which also runs counter to the tendencies of most cults. If you're talking about the many shills and people trying to rope men in to make a buck or keep their channels going…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 07:17 AM
1	Now that we live in an era where women work and make their own money, why is a man's money/career still so important for women? Women will always desire men who are more successful and accomplished relative to where they are, that's why it's hurting men's chances in dating as women have become more educated and making equally or more money than men. Hence the trope of college educated women with bullshit degrees refusing to date blue-collar men or men less educated, even though a lot of it is illusionary. Modern society is great at ignoring the inherent biological predilections in men and women and likes to pretend we ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 07:12 AM
2	How do you think women respond to "pick-mes", and why do you think that is? Pick-me's are just female ass kissers and no one likes an ass kisser as it's annoying, cringe and radiates insecurity and self-righteousness, male or female.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 02:27 AM
-2	CMV: TRP romanticizes men and demonizes women Yeah ok.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/23 10:35 PM
1	The terms 'low value' and 'high value' Theoretically everyone has different opinions so everyone's values are different but there are undoubtedly a set of core values that are commonly held by everyone of each sex despite individual differences of degree. There are weird women out there who prefer nonwhite socially awkward short men who aren't too goodlooking due to self esteem and security reasons and either on the skinny or chubby side but they are in the minority. Hence a tall jacked white man is well on his way to being deemed hi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/23 01:44 PM
15	From my observation, the standard of beauty for men is a lot higher than the standard of beauty for women. And yet for the vast majority of men small boobs flat ass are plenty sufficiently attractive given bare minimum effort - as evidenced by the armies of basic white women. There are women out there with such bad faces and other disadvantages that even a lot of effort won't land them anyone, but that is pretty fuckin rare. I guess this is where you shift the blame and conversation to men for having low standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/23 01:24 PM
10	CMV: TRP romanticizes men and demonizes women At its core TRP is just supposed to open men's eyes to the true nature of women which is contrary to the blue-pilled sugar and spice and everything nice they've been spoonfed their entire lives. At its core TRP is supposed to just treat men as neutral, placing the responsibility of their success with women entirely on their shoulders; i.e. if you aren't succeeding with women, it's your fault or there's more you could be doing to improve yourself. In reality, a lot of TRP content creators and fig…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/23 01:11 PM
5	CMV Most men cant rate attractiveness of other Men properly, and that leads to delusion. Height is a huge factor. It matters even more than face as long as the face is good enough. The most eyecatching thing when women look into a group of guys at first sight is the tallest guy assuming he isn't a stringbean or obese. 6'5 may be reaching into the "too tall" category but if your face is 6/10 and you're 6'5 you're gigachad easy. Most women I've talked to say they want a combination between "pretty" and "masc" features..from observation I basically take this to mean a well groomed masc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/23 04:22 PM
1	Your own language/expressions betray you: "lower your standards" That's an easy way out disguised as an appeal to logic though. The general trend for men online for example who complain about women's high standards is that if they would just lower their standards and scrap the delusion and overinflated worth society would be better off, they would be happier with more realistic expectations and a man who genuinely cares for them vs a top tier Chad who will just pump and dump, there wouldn't be as many lonely men, and so on. I'm not saying I agree completely, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/23 04:25 PM
1	Women don't get that its not men complaining they can’t find a 10, but they can’t find 6 or 5 either The incels with crippling BDD need to fix their social skills and mental health. Autism makes it seem impossible at times, I get it. But re: gym it's honestly hard to find a guy in which hitting the gym wouldn't help. The fact that 8/10 Chad still has a massive head start and will do even better hitting the gym is irrelevant. Relatively speaking from any position a guy starts from, lifting will improve his dating prospects.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/23 04:14 PM
11	Men who don't have the desire/ability to financially provide, do you think you deserve a traditional, soft, and feminine woman? Deserve is such a stupid word that everyone throws around in this toxically positive culture we're soaked in that breeds armies of entitled deluded people. "You deserve a loving relationship, you deserve to be happy, you deserve the best" Doesn't matter if a broke guy deserves a beautiful woman or not. He's still gonna want one and it's up to him to see what he can do to improve his chances and be realistic about his expectations.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/23 04:04 PM
1	CMV : Its impossible to be such a dork or so ugly that Money and status cant save you, i am very curious what u think. A lot of attraction is mental so things like status actually create real tingles - especially coupled with charisma even if the man comes up short physically. I'm more inclined to agree with you though if it's just purely money.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/23 05:32 PM
1	CMV : Its impossible to be such a dork or so ugly that Money and status cant save you, i am very curious what u think. I don't know about "impossible", but I agree money and status will always help an ugly man. He may not be able to appeal to "all" or even most women, but there are way more than enough attractive eligible women who will be ok with it The question though is if the man is okay with knowing that it's the money and status his woman is primarily drawn to and chasing. Lack of social skills is actually a bigger hit, bc it's pretty hard to have shit social skills and high status, but I imagine there are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/23 05:31 PM
2	Are men genuinely worse potential partners these days? If every man was successful, would these problems still persist due to hypergamy? > Broke men are ruining dating > buTt ThE WaGe GaP!	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/23 05:42 PM
3	Apparently Women are joining the Passport Bros Crew jfl your femcel autistic ass still posts here?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/23 09:36 AM
0	Are men far more accepting to neurodivergence than women when it comes to dating? It's simply bc biologically speaking a man's social status, awareness and competence matter so much more to women than the reverse. That's why so many goodlooking men with shit social skills are potential virgins. An autistic woman who meets the low bar of cute enough will still have many suitors.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/23 09:08 AM
2	Another AF/BB example. Do women really think that the “BF” material is winning? It's projection. Women assume men would hate to be the one they take home for ONS and not commit to b/c they would hate to be in that position themselves when in reality it's the opposite for men. To men, being the one women go to for a night of fun shows a genuine validation of attraction and SMV vs someone she'll commit to even though she will merely tolerate him sexually b/c she needs a long term provider.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/23 02:48 AM
1	CMV:Passportbroism,not the BP,RP or BlkPl is the solution for men to become happy. What's your point though. If a fat ugly woman knew of an island full of rich charistmatic 10/10 men who would give them a chance at a LTR I wouldn't blame them for going there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/23 05:36 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread I don't know about them being more or less racist but it's just something viscerally repulsive and laughable about someone who shows you one thing and is someone completely different behind closed doors. It's this brand of liberal hypocrisy that tastes especially bad, even if you can argue that liberals on average are less racist or more tolerant than conservatives .	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/23 09:47 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Racism is everywhere, but it can taste worse coming from the left or liberals because they virtue signal constantly from a high horse pretending to be tolerant and free of prejudice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/23 09:16 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Lol I mean if she already likes you, finds you attractive, or is dating you, the smallest things mean everything. If not, the smallest things raise alarms and the creep radar goes insane.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/23 09:12 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Ofc I have. I also don't need to actually move around even within my own state to know there are fat people. It's just easy to forget or believe what you read and when you spend some time on polarized spaces online with some of these people you'd think it's impossible to see a nonfat person much less date one. Hence often times I'll see someone's post and wonder where the fuck they live.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/23 09:06 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread You never heard people talk about it in school? Because in my school and many others, we were forced to watch Supersize Me and taught how the vast majority of Americans are at an unhealthy weight. No I hear about it constantly. It's everywhere in the news and media. I just don't really see it. Maybe I just live in a pretty looks-conscious area.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/23 06:43 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread The more I'm on Reddit the more I'm suspecting it's not Reddit that's full of stupid people. Reddit is just where people go to talk, and people are stupid in general. I was just blessed previously for not actually having to listen to most people talk at length about things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/23 06:28 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Being white is a huge huge halo. It's not quite as bad as it was before, and not every Asian woman but enough of them will fuck ugly white dudes just b/c they're white and that's all these men need lol. People are also just incredibly imperceptive and stupid, like they are incapable of properly processing stimuli. I know older people who literally think that every white guy looks like Tom Cruise and every asian dude looks like Jackie Chan. It's kind of almost encouraging in a way because when yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/23 06:24 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Fair enough, I guess it's just less common where I am. It's not exactly rare here either I guess, but the way people talk about it on this sub it's like impossible to find a partner who isn't fat unless you're top 1% or something.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/23 06:20 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread So my suspicions are correct? LOL In any case, I could be wrong. Like I said, all I have are my biases as I've never been there. I do prefer the more conservative type of culture over there but from what I hear the drawbacks (racism, food deserts and obesity, resources, stupid politicians that make the stupid left politicians seem smart) aren't worth it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/23 06:17 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread I live in a fairly liberal pro-feminist area. I'm not seeing these women under 30 who are super fat. I know obesity is a problem in the US but if you're under 30 it's still rare here, or at least by no means a majority. I wonder if a lot of posters male or female just happen to live deep in Walmart country.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/23 06:11 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread No offense or hate, I see the way people here describe the opposite sex and truly wonder what type of shitholes or circumstances you are living in. Granted, mental illness, stupidity, delusion, arrogance all play a role because this is reddit, but apparently every man or woman around you is some fat entitled toxic low-class predatory POS. I mean, I would move lol. This is my bias talking but I keep thinking a lot of you are from the south or something (US).	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/23 06:05 PM
4	Daily Community Chat Megathread Women in the corporate workplace are actually more lenient toward men and harsher on other women. I hear and see this constantly. I imagine this might translate to the teacher - student dynamic as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/23 08:29 AM
1	Is there a net positive or negative to these discussions that we're having? Online communities invite all sorts of men, and mostly socially incompetent or mentally compromised women, as reflected here.. Although Reddit is particularly bad as is this sub with all the incel and femcel shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/23 08:26 AM
1	Looks will get your foot in the door, but these days the door is on the top floor Lol all the people in here saying "but all women have is looks". Yeah sure women's looks are definitely heavily weighted, but the thing is the bar is on the ground since most men find most women in reasonably good health attractive enough. There's a looks threshold to clear and almost any woman who gives a remote shit about taking care of herself clears it without thinking. Inb4 ItS MeNz FaUlT DeN 4 HaViN LoW StAnDaRdZ. This is like in a parallel universe men bitching about women being shallow f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/23 10:17 PM
12	Women get over breakups faster because they do less work to initiate relationships Maybe it's fake, maybe it's not. But I've seen this happen many times. The guy could genuinely be trying to make changes so that she'll be happy in the relationship again, he cares for her, and/or he doesn't want her to go, but by that time as someone else said, it's too late. She can't see the guy the same way again b/c there will always be something nagging at her that maybe he isn't the guy for her, he doesn't have the same value b/c he might not be inherently who she thought he was. I always…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/23 02:13 PM
2	The only reason the concept of the redpill is popular is because it actually gives tangible solutions. I don't think the presence of solutions is the key. There are tangible solutions for acquiring a better personality if you're talking about being more positive, upbeat, kinder, more respectful. Meditation, therapy, self-help books. But these solutions wouldn't lead to success with women nearly as much as tangible solutions to stack paper, get fit, gain status or acquire better social skills though....if at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/23 03:43 AM
3	So where exactly are these ugly women? Women's ability to get hookups lies squarely at the feet of men. The fact that average women are able to have casual sex and men aren't is 100% on indiscriminate men. I'm not sure again what your point is. Of course a woman's experiences in dating lie at the feet of men and vice versa, so I don't see how this is relevant. Doesn't change the fact that women have it easier, Going by this logic we can attribute any male circumstance in dating as the woman's responsibility e.g. ugly men can get wome…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/23 06:26 AM
2	So where exactly are these ugly women? ...Not sure how this counters what I said at all. You're basically saying a lot of men aren't as ugly as they think, as if femcels with severe BDD don't exist. That doesn't change the fact that as the dating game currently stands at every level of attractiveness men have it harder. Edit: You also implied average looking men aren't attractive enough to get hookups, which basically defeats your point as average women clearly are attractive enough to get hookups and even LTRs from at least 6s and 7…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/23 05:59 AM
2	So where exactly are these ugly women? A woman has it better than her looksmatch, whether she's a 3 or an 8. Ugly women have it bad but her male counterparts have it worse. The only exception is maybe people at the absolute very top, then the men may have it better. Men also don't have the socially accepted luxury (yet, at least) of heels or makeup which can make a several point difference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/23 04:04 AM
6	Men and women project their expectations of an ideal partner onto themselves Independence doesn't repel men...more like men just don't care about it. Things like education or status are a non-issue for the most part even though there are limits. That's why women in college refuse to date uneducated men or date down on the pecking order but men don't care if she's a waitress with a GED going to community college as long as she's hot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/23 02:32 PM
2	Weight Preferences in Dating - Most Comprehensive Dating App Study To Date Yes there's a difference, and they want both. They shame men for not liking fat women while being repulsed by fat men. What's your point? It's hilarious you think all this is about wanting to be "left alone".	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/23 04:21 AM
9	Weight Preferences in Dating - Most Comprehensive Dating App Study To Date I don't think you quite understand that these feminists also push for their own fat bodies to be seen as desireable and also criticize men who are not open to dating fat women as fatphobic, with some going as far to equate it to racism or sexism.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/23 03:58 AM
9	Weight Preferences in Dating - Most Comprehensive Dating App Study To Date Because feminists often talk about how all woman are beautiful and all bodies are healthy and beautiful while secretly preferring only non-obese men. If this wasn't the case, I may not agree with their feminist talking points but at least I would respect them for being genuine and sticking to their guns.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/23 03:20 AM
5	Weight Preferences in Dating - Most Comprehensive Dating App Study To Date good lord smh you're not ok	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/23 02:19 AM
4	Weight Preferences in Dating - Most Comprehensive Dating App Study To Date ........do you feel this is somehow a big gotcha, that fat purple haired feminist was actually something I inserted to make a point and not actually mentioned specifically in the study? lolol	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/23 01:53 AM
13	The idea that men's dating issues is merely the result of them having to treat women as an equal now is to reductive and dismissive of their actual dating issues. In a nutshell, men aren't complaining that they have to actually "do work" now to meet more stringent criteria since women can make their own money and no longer need men to support or protect them during peaceful modern times. I don't think any guy here is bitching that they have to work to stay in shape or dress decently and have regular hygiene and do their best to get all their shit together. I have not seen a single comment from a man here objecting to any of these standards. The consensus …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/23 10:12 PM
1	Weight Preferences in Dating - Most Comprehensive Dating App Study To Date ....nowhere...I was making a point about the commonly held belief amongst red-pilled or perhaps conservative men/people	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/23 09:34 PM
27	Weight Preferences in Dating - Most Comprehensive Dating App Study To Date Regardless the main takeaway no doubt for most (men at least) will be that fat guys give fat women more than a fair chance (they prefer them actually in general) whereas fat feminist women with purple hair are entitled and only want thin or fit guys while hypocritically spouting body positivity health at any size grr fatphobia ThIn PrIvIlEgE and such.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/23 08:35 PM
1	What is one night stand guy(criteria) From observation honestly after having worked nightlife for a long time the men whom women take home for one night stands actually encompasses a large variety of phenotypes, although the general rule is women prioritize physical appearance for ONS and less so for LTR, and men are the reverse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/23 02:12 AM
8	according to polls, young women are more ''sexless'' than young men in 2021. She sounds exactly like this other person on here who probably just stopped using her alt/prev account a while back. Autistic, delusional FDS femcel bullshit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/23 02:07 AM
3	A relationship in which the man is only a placeholder and the woman cheats on him (AF/BB) does have any downsides for the woman? I don't get it, it never ceases to amaze me how women just feign bewilderment to come across as better people. Are you seriously asking why men would be jealous of a guy who can sleep with many/any woman he wants based on his looks or game alone? Do you think women aren't jealous, often to a malicious extent, of a beautiful 10/10 supermodel in their workplace who attracts the stares and attention of any and all men within a 500 foot radius wherever she goes?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/23 06:08 PM
3	What would a Red Pill alternative from a leftist perspective look like? Are you as a gender gonna pretend the last 10 years didn't happen. It's been way way longer than 10 years and yes women will absolutely pretend whatever so they can avoid accountability, They do it without batting an eye and have zero issue with looking at you right in the eye as if everything is fine on their end and you are in the wrong lol. It's not just moms or sisters. It's female friends, teachers, community leaders, journalists, dating coaches, as well as girlfriends and wives. Men do thi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/23 05:07 PM
13	What would a Red Pill alternative from a leftist perspective look like? Men: We were lied to. You: False. Ok nice talking to you lol. And you wonder why a lot of guys are upset and debates get nowhere.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/23 02:12 AM
–	You can't expect women to care about "purity", as long as they keep getting inconsistent messages from men..... Because again there are no double standards here....low N women are valued for a reason and high N women shunned....high N men are not disqualified or hurt in the dating game the same way and in many ways women like men with more sexual experience or those who have been preselected by previous women. There is no hypocrisy, in the same way a short woman is not a hypocrite for choosing a taller man. Men and women want different things from each other, there is no double standard if the standards a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/23 02:03 AM
11	What would a Red Pill alternative from a leftist perspective look like? Again, there's a reason why men feel lied to...and it's bc it is NOT what they've always been told, by women, their female friends, or their male friends and people in their communities. Although I don't agree entirely with all the RP has to say, I see it too, especially with the cultural zeitgeist of telling men to support women, be less toxic, be an ally, alongside women not being shallow, women need to be empowered, women can do no wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/23 01:46 AM
13	What would a Red Pill alternative from a leftist perspective look like? A lot of men say it's a lie b/c in their personal experience it does not work; they don't believe it's possible to attract [the vast majority of] women with personality unless she is already attracted enough to him physically.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/23 01:38 AM
16	What would a Red Pill alternative from a leftist perspective look like? Men need to be reminded that b/c the bluepill screams at them their entire young life that if you are having problems attracting women it's because you need to be nicer, less toxic, more respectful, more sensitive. Men are upset after being lied to their entire lives - you would think it's common sense but it's not. They are gaslit constantly including the implication that if they were "better people" or would just "smile more" and "just take a shower" they wouldn't be struggling as they watch t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/23 01:23 AM
2	A relationship in which the man is only a placeholder and the woman cheats on him (AF/BB) does have any downsides for the woman? By modern (or PPD) definition, an alpha (or Chad) only needs to have the right look, height, build or even personality, social skills and attitude to be an alpha. Money helps but is not necessary. Honestly I always say if you need money to attract women you've already lost. Any more women you attract after getting money will just be those attracted to money or the long term provider aspect.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/23 01:08 AM
1	Red Pill is a Cult that is brainwashing young men to be misogynist. My point is the drugs are not being pushed and aggressively sold. They sell themselves, like the red pill. Men go to it because they already feel a lack of satisfaction and a void, they aren't happy and fine and then the red pill makes them unhappy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/23 12:48 AM
7	Red Pill is a Cult that is brainwashing young men to be misogynist. Lol a common phrase SJWs and feminists who have made a career out of being professionally outraged like to say is something like "it's not our job to make men comfortable". So expect the lecturing and arrogance to continue. Unfortunately for them as long as you go out of your way to make sure men "aren't comfortable" your cause will continue to decline and the redpill will continue to spread and solidify.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/23 10:27 PM
1	Red Pill is a Cult that is brainwashing young men to be misogynist. Women bring men to the red pill. The red pill is like most drugs. They don't need advertising, people readily flock to it out of perceived necessity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/23 10:24 PM
3	Question 4 Women: Has PPD and TRP made you less trustful of men or dislike them? I doubt this sub has had any effect on the people really. PPD attracts those who already hate or have major issues with the opp sex and people don't debate to learn, they debate to be right.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/23 10:12 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Telling someone to be more emotional and sensitive is moot and pointless as dating advice, because it may only help if she's already attracted to you (but maybe not, since a lot of women are fucked up and like shitheads). If she doesn't find you attractive to begin with, being emotional just makes the her even more repulsed. It might work as general advice for being a better person though, but people don't bother to make that distinction when lecturing men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/23 08:34 PM
5	What are some double standards you’ve noticed with men and women’s standards/preferences for one another A lot of these double standards talked about aren't actually double standards b/c men and women straight up prefer and expect different things from each other naturally. That's why it's not a double standard for short women to want tall men, or for women who are shit at sex to want experienced men - or why men are repulsed by women with high n count and 'experience' while high n count doesn't hurt men in the same way unless he's just a straight up disloyal cheater while in an LTR.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 11:44 PM
4	Men should stop trying to rationalize and justify their body count preferences. Honestly for me there is no innate or primal "ick" feeling. It is all rational. If I am looking for someone to commit to a woman with a high n count signals higher probability of mental illness and instability, poor decision making, lack of loyalty and moral framework, a shit-ton of baggage and daddy issues. I'm sure there are good women with high n-counts out there, but why take the risk? It's like companies hiring people with extensive criminal histories. There's a chance these people are well…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 11:37 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Lol but if you have a problem with it you're an insecure man coddled by the patriarchy and you're against her being a strong independent woman who knows her worth. I WeAR MaKeUp aNd ShOW mY AsS 4 MySeLf	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 11:26 PM
2	The Rise in Online and Bar/Club-scene Dating, and the Decrease in Social Circle Dating Explains Poor Outcomes, Due to Reduced Reputation Effects Women value other traits besides looks, sometimes moreso like status, reputation, social and emotional intelligence, but the normalization of OLD basically makes it so that men who excel in these areas don't often even get their foot in the door because OLD forces women to judge and make decisions based entirely on looks, and any other vague inferences made from photos. Taking bad pictures or bad photo choices lead women to make negative assumptions about the rest of a guy's life as well. Exampl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 07:34 PM
9	Obesity has absolutely nuked the chance to go on a date with even regular women The whole "BMI isn't an accurate measurement" argument is used by a lot of those body-positive fat women, and the argument is equally invalid when it comes from men. On a purely clinical level BMI tells you nothing about body composition but realistically speaking, unless you're a bodybuilder or very muscled athlete (in which case it would be obvious), a high(er) BMI indicates you could afford to lose some pudge. Western countries have shit-tons of people with high BMI and 99.9% of the time it's…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/23 08:47 PM
1	Obesity has absolutely nuked the chance to go on a date with even regular women I don't know where you all live, most people I've seen under 30, much less Gen Z, are not overweight.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/23 08:29 PM
3	Who should men be listening to? For advice, direction, understanding. It's amazing how accurate this stereotype is. When you resort to emotionally investing in an ideology that just blindlessly advocates without justification your own sex - often at the expense of the other sex or others - there's a good chance you've hit rock bottom and have nothing going on in your favor in your own life. I feel the same way about men deep into men's rights, MGTOW, incel shit, and so on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/23 06:09 PM
2	Who should men be listening to? For advice, direction, understanding. I've observed this to be true but the political zeitgeist leans hard left now and women just go with the flow so by default most young women (and people really) readily absorb and adopt feminist talking points.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/23 05:50 PM
1	Women's failed relationships and dating abhorrent men proves women's "intuition" is bullshit For the record I don't think it's a good thing if a guy is a cheater and breaking his trust with whatever woman he's committed to. I'm just saying there's a reason why a woman with a high n count is seen in a negative light by men looking for a woman to marry whereas it's not as much of an issue for women choosing men. There are women who straight up will refuse to sleep with, much less marry virgin men. Notice there is a difference between a very sexually experienced man and a dickhead who chea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/23 10:58 PM
2	Women's failed relationships and dating abhorrent men proves women's "intuition" is bullshit Men and women expect and want different things from each other and it's something deeper than just socialization or how we were raised. Many women straight up don't give a shit or even prefer that their man have a high n count bc it indicates preselection, experience and competence. Women care a lot about status whereas men don't give a fuck if she's just a waitress attending community college. It's like saying a woman is a hypocrite if she wants a tall man when she's short. No she isn't. That's…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/23 10:54 PM
1	Does the fact that a guy friend would bang his female friend if given the chance mean he's not really her friend? How bangable I find someone has little to do with how much I value and respect them as people or friends. I could hate your guts and still think you're hot, I could treasure you more than anything in the world and find you repulsive. When it comes to platonic relationships or friendships I'm pretty good at not letting physical attraction or lack thereof interfere with the friendship itself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/23 02:54 PM
1	Why isn't the plight of unattractive women ever talked about? Yep. Losing weight is, while not easy for everyone, absolutely possible. As a man you can't grow your height or change your face or build without major surgery with risks and resources and breaking major taboos, or change your race, all which women are much more critical toward. Not to mention men will find the vast majority of women attractive enough as long as she's in reasonably good health. The plain fact is that a woman at any level of attractiveness will have it wayyyyyyy easier in dating …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/23 02:50 PM
0	CMV: Complimenting a woman you're interested in on looks is dumb and almost always detrimental. It's unoriginal and does nothing at absolute best. At worst she either finds it repulsive or sees you as just another simp or orbiter - there's nothing there to set you apart in a good way from all the other men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/23 01:50 PM
2	The reason the manosphere is mad about AF/BB is because, while, even though the majority of women may not fit the archetype, it is a really smart stratergy I mean...in the same way women dislike a man's natural instinct to mate with plenty of different women despite society's prescription for monogamy? Like so many things on PPD not sure why an entire dumb ass thread is needed for this. The difference is...men being horndogs is well known and the general cultural zeitgeist projects criticism, suspicion and controls upon male promiscuity and behavior. Conversely, we still like to gaslight men and deny AFBB and other harsh truths about women because …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/23 06:40 AM
19	It’s in western men’s best interests to just go overseas versus trying to convince American women to change CMV You straight up underestimate the absolutely exceptional status attached to someone who's just plain white, much less goodlooking or a millionaire in SE Asia. There's a reason even fat ugly white guys can score there with women way way way out of their league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/23 01:14 AM
2	CMV: The female expectation of looking physically attractive is way, WAY more easier than the male expectation of being a provider. The main reason is basically bc men are biologically wired to find most women in reasonable decent health attractive. The bar is extremely low.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/03/23 08:42 PM
8	Why do you think male loneliness and decline in dating is finally getting mainstream coverage? As a single dude with simple pleasures I make okay money but I have minimal expenses and live reasonably well and happy. Things are "good". If I were to get married or have a family this would turn from good to disastrous and impossible, and it's not easy to get a job with a pay increase necessary for me to support a family. I also see the stress and bullshit men (and probably women too) put up with with their spouses and families, the way women act when their spouses or bfs are not around, the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/23 03:54 AM
17	Do men even enjoy dating women? My impression is that many of these men didn't start off hating women but bc of their experiences grew wary, hateful or jaded. This even applies to men who do well with women, but usually they are the ones who learned to do well later after failing or before they were "red pilled". Whether it's their own fault or the fault of the women they encountered is up to many things including individual circumstances and situation and society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/23 03:40 AM
1	CMV: Men and their issues must be recognised and highlighted on International Men's Day instead of being preached to be better . I don't think there's an actual equivalent for men in terms of the whole "every woman is beautiful" thing. Maybe the closest is saying all men (or at least the 'good chill' ones as you say) have inherent value and there is no need to examine what they "do" or how they provide and contribute to society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/23 02:20 AM
1	RP men don’t like women, they’re just attracted to them I'll trust my observations of countless women for years. It is what it is. If you're saying women don't want a guy with a long history of bedding women to be their long-term passive sexually unattractive provider option, then worded that way I might agree in some respects.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/23 11:25 PM
5	RP men don’t like women, they’re just attracted to them Women not only do not mind ran-thru mf'ers, many require and actively seek them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/23 11:17 PM
22	The 'Sexlessness Rise' is not specifically male-driven It's hilariously true. A lot of my 20-something female friends have told me or at least inferred they would find it weird, awkward or almost inappropriate for a guy to approach a them IRL to express interest, even in nightlife bar or club settings...as if that's not how many men met women for millennia before this OLD thing ever became a thing. Yea Yea ofc if it's Chad it's not as bad or even good, but that's beside the point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/23 10:02 PM
1	Q4Women, can you meet your own standards? There should be no need for women to meet a lot of the standards they hold for men b/c men and women SHOULD have different standards - there are no "double standards" here. Men and women naturally are wired to want and expect different things from the opposite sex. That's why being rich and educated helps a man way more than it helps a woman, if it helps women at all. That's why a tall man is in high demand and a tall woman...not so much or at least not remotely to the same extent. A short woman…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/23 09:44 PM
22	RP men don’t like women, they’re just attracted to them A lot of RP men or men who come to be successful with bedding or dating women have a low opinion of women b/c the whole process becomes very mechanical and almost routine even, making women seem shallow and easily manipulated. Many of these men despite their success can actually become pretty depressed and jaded. Before becoming redpilled, they had fairly positive and hopeful opinions of women b/c of mainstream indoctrination or would put them on pedestals, sugar and spice and everything nice an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/23 09:20 PM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread Makes sense. That's still a huge gap though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/23 06:08 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread So you think men are lying in what I assume are within anonymous contexts and saying they're single when they really aren't?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/23 05:36 PM
0	Daily Community Chat Megathread Came across this clip from CNN on YT.. was surprised they were covering this since I associate CNN with left-wing blue pilldom. The comments were also a breath of fresh air...it was like all the stuff men complain about here but from just normal dudes speaking frankly, and surprisingly not as toxic or filled with animosity as one would associate with most YouTube comment sections. To me this hints that the average blue-pilled man these days is thinking the same thing as the red or blackpiller va…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/23 11:38 AM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread I always say this when people love to cry "DoUBlE StAnDaRdS" re: expectations of men and women. The double standards argument only works when the expectations should be the same. Which....they shouldn't, and are not in the real world. Women want sexually experienced high status financially well off men for a reason, and men are okay dating pretty women for a reason even if they are broke, uneducated, and sexually inexperienced.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/23 02:01 AM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Most redditors and basically anyone fairly active online have major issues so their opinions need to be taken with a gigantic block of salt, if taken seriously at all. Dating subs especially.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/23 10:21 PM
0	Daily Community Chat Megathread It often just feels like most people are just very stupid and naturally unobservant. You don't even need to be a top tier man - they got eyes don't they - to stop being blue-pilled to shit because it's obvious taken women flirt with other men rampantly when their SOs aren't around.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/23 06:44 AM
5	Signals it's over It depends on how easy maintaining frame comes to the guy in question and how competent he is. But some men just have innate temperaments and personalities that diverge too far from the type of persona that naturally attracts women, and it's going to be harder for them b/c no matter how hard they practice it's going to often feel like a stressful act. In this sense, much easier to keep this up for one night or a week or months even rather than years.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/23 06:41 AM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread That's why a lot of guys these days are afraid of getting into relationships. They may be successful with women in the short-term even, but based on their own experiences and observations, they see how women are when their significant other is not around. Having women flirt with them (or seeing them flirt with other men) when these women have boyfriends and husbands makes these men scared of becoming boyfriends and husbands.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/23 04:56 AM
2	Signals it's over Game absolutely (and obviously) works even though it's not the end all be all, as long as it requires developing and strengthening social skills from the ground up and not just memorizing lines. If you say all the right words but your mannerisms and affect remain awkward as fuck you aren't going to get anywhere. But gaming a woman into bed is one thing. Doing it for an entire relationship is another and this shows the limits and pragmatism of game more than anything - or perhaps is an argument f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/23 04:45 AM
0	The widespread research declaring that women are happier single has long been retracted and refuted by experts as well as the original researcher. I honestly don't think men or women are wired to "want' to be single. If they actually do and aren't delusional, it's because they've found it easier to stay single for their situation and have developed the coping mechanisms and perspectives necessary to make it bearable, and even pleasant, after being disappointed repeatedly by the opposite sex along with potential mental issues and social stunting. This applies even in the best-case scenario for MGTOWs or cat women. Given the state of things.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/23 10:20 PM
–	Women and girls are reading the manosphere forums and subs, that makes them less likely to date. Hot take, you had a general disgust for most males to begin with lol. Either that or you just let yourself generalize the entire male population because of garbage people online. You know, how women accuse men of saying women are trash after viewing TikToks or watching FreshandFit interview airhead sluts into the nightlife.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/23 07:15 PM
–	It is OBVIOUS why there is not a body positivity movement for both genders Obvious OP is fat and extremely mentally ill. Give her a break lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/23 07:10 PM
1	Women’s idea of an “average” man This exactly. The whole entire point and origin of the dadbod meme was a body that is out of shape and aesthetically undesirable by conventional standards - yet somehow (as it goes) still supposedly liked by some women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/23 04:35 AM
1	AI is generating "hotties" at a rapid pace. Will there be a hottie renaissance or oversaturation? Yeah, but I mean filters are detectable and also are a psychological downer/turnoff, at least to me, and at least as the tech stands so far/currently.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/23 08:48 AM
1	AI is generating "hotties" at a rapid pace. Will there be a hottie renaissance or oversaturation? Those are good questions and things to think about. For the time being and for me personally knowing an image of a woman in porn is AI generated is almost an immediate turnoff due to it not being real, but also I can't get over the idea that it's probably the result of the brainstorming and work of weird ass dudes or other guys behind the scenes in porn. I suppose I can't or won't say that I "can't get off" to any of it, but just knowing that it's AI - and assuming I know it ofc - makes a huge d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/23 01:14 AM
1	Biggest hypocrisies of PPD I mean that's a good approach/attitude for you to take to people with issues. But that's not what I was referring to. People aren't trying to help these men improve themselves. It's "you can't do better, so if you don't want _______________ women you are shooting out of your league", which is different.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/23 04:49 PM
1	Biggest hypocrisies of PPD The point is a lot of people are saying this to incels, many who are on the young side, many who actually just look normal to even decent, who take care of themselves contrary to the "incels are gross neckbeards who don't shower" trope. They often can't do better or can't get anything due to their garbage attitudes and shit social skills, many of them are on the autism spectrum. I don't think it's fair to tell them that due to this they should settle for fat women bc "it seems like they can't do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/23 04:33 PM
1	Biggest hypocrisies of PPD I'm not gonna say there aren't fat entitled men wanting thin partners. But I've seen my fair share of posts on this sub alone saying men shouldn't complain about settling for women who are obese b/c the average woman is obese - I assume many of these are aimed at incel men with bad social skills desperate for sex or a gf. As if they are aiming out of their league if they don't want a woman who is 5'3 and 170 lbs. I don't have links to any scientific studies. Just been a lurker of this sub for a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/23 04:18 PM
1	If a straight man is (at least partially) unattracted to femininity, what does that mean? I wouldn't really call that a square jaw, it's just defined and bony b/c she's fairly skinny. But yeah I like hourglass figures and a peach-shaped ass is wonderful lol....I'm just talking about like pear shaped bodies where a lot of women carry a lot of fat in the lower half of their body and the top is just kind of undeveloped and skinny fat.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/23 07:35 AM
0	Older men like younger women but how true is it that younger woman actually like older men? LOLLLLL at your post history one of those batshit insane bitter cunts do you post regularly on FDS by chance? hehe	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/23 07:10 AM
1	Help me understand this enormous contradiction Blue pilled society tells men to just be decent caring responsible people and dating will go fine. In reality women are biologically programmed to be attracted to various physical, often uncontrollable traits. They are also attracted to high status, low inhibition, rebellious nature, and aggression. When you see the dating success evident in certain individuals it's clear men with these qualities were not slowed down or suffering even if they are shitty or assholes. It's not that being a "good" …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/23 05:53 AM
1	Biggest hypocrisies of PPD I'm going to go out on a limb and assume most if not all of these men complaining about being told to settle for average obese women are not obese themselves. The exchange often ends with women saying "welp if the average woman is obese, so be it deal with it." The real implication for a lot of women saying this to men is that it's irrelevant if the man is obese or not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/23 05:19 AM
4	AI is generating "hotties" at a rapid pace. Will there be a hottie renaissance or oversaturation? I get the feeling it still matters to a lot of men that the women are real actual women though, even if they are paid actresses. It's still important to them that while scripted, what is happening onscreen is actually happening and experienced by real people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/23 05:04 AM
1	If a straight man is (at least partially) unattracted to femininity, what does that mean? It means nothing. I'm a very straight guy who finds height, dominance, and broad shoulders in women sexy and attractive. I also think square jaws can look good on some women but they can look good on almost anyone, as some masculine features like the aforementioned I believe are universally attractive (e.g. height, athleticism, v-taper etc). For whatever reason these same traits don't make me sexually attracted to men, it's just the way it is and everyone is different. For whatever reason even t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/23 04:59 AM
1	The less physically attractive a man is, the better they have to be Yeah no shit?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/23 09:48 PM
1	Men being sexually lucky later in life could make them resentful or too skeptical for love Men who learned how to become sexually or romantically successful later in life become very jaded b/c they see how easily manipulated and shallow the entire game is (either looks/looking better and/or modifying behavior to seem like someone better). This leads to a dwindling of respect toward women and from a broader perspective humanity, since there's a good chance he has not only learned how to do better with women but also just in general get his way with people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/23 11:03 PM
2	Simps make women delusional Some men are just naturally submissive, a lot of men are just too weak and not strong enough to resist the temptation of the dopamine rush of being nice to or going out of their way for women even if realistically speaking they know the chances of any significant reciprocation or result is small - ie at least she is interacting with me! And then there are the really stupid ones who actually continue to think reciprocation and results are likely and continue to simp.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/23 11:00 PM
2	CMV: Men want women more then women want men, and that’s why we don’t care about your standards. Because it's female nature to want a man who has more than them or is more experienced than them. That just means the bar is higher now for men. The problem is people like to ignore female and male nature for the sake of feelings and push a progressive narrative like men and women are the same it's all socialization bs tOxIc mAsCuLiNiTy and yada yada.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/22 05:07 AM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread Yeah the left narrative says women are the victims of oppression, misogyny, somehow at the mercy of the patriarchy but also at the same time inherently able to do better than men in everything. The feminist aspect of leftist dogma is so prominent it's basically impossible to really be seen as left-leaning if you subscribe to red-pill views.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/22 11:49 PM
1	Most women on OLD are low quality. Point being it's much easier for women in dating so a man being on OLD long-term may not indicate cream of the crop but it's not a sign of failing despite already being at a huge advantage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/22 08:58 PM
1	Which celebrity is considered a sex symbol, but you just don't see it? WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD Ana de Armas has a weird ass mouth that actually works for me for whatever reason. Nice username though, I've been saying that shit forever.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/22 11:59 PM