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I'm partial to a push/pull routine myself
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:54 PM
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That's true but anime is mainstream enough that you don't really get any benefit from trying to "nichemaxx," you're still competing league-wise in a sense
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 05:10 PM
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Teasing would be opening the jar and putting it on the top shelf
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:52 AM
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Lol well that was out of your control so it's not specifically your fault looking back At least you had high school?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:46 AM
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How do you think the generation that missed out on the in-person college experience during COVID must feel Mogged by a virus
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:36 AM
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Maybe so, I just think attraction fades later than you think And even after the initial passionate love/infatuation/attraction fades, people can still stay together out of companionate love and a lifelong commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:49 AM
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It doesn't matter how attractive a woman is, the minute she shows interest in a man, this man loses at least a percentage of his attraction to her. You're implying that the moment the chase is over the man loses "some" of his interest. So yes, a "morning of" analogy would be fair IMO. Plus you're also implying that this mythical pre-relationship period of time is even more exciting than the initial "honeymoon" stage of the actual relationship. Again I disagree, I would attribute that drop in "ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:32 AM
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Interesting theory but I disagree. If you've been waiting one year to go on your dream vacation or get a restaurant reservation or attend your favorite artist's concert, and then eventually that day arrives, would you suddenly change your mind the morning of and say "screw it I was looking forward to this but now I don't want to go"? That seems totally nonsensical to me. There's a cliche that "people want what they can't have" but there's also a saying that goes "a bird in the hand is worth two …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:56 PM
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Only if he cheated in her dream
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:49 PM
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It's a lot easier for people to overlook red flags in a partner during the honeymoon stage. If all you're thinking about when you meet up with your new boyfriend is how hot his smile is (dopamine rush) then you'll probably forgive a lot of other things you wouldn't if you weren't already love drunk. Once the infatuation is over and you start seeing how he lives then that's when you realize "what was I thinking"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:47 PM
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Dopamine
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:40 PM
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relevant username
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:34 PM
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How is your posture? Anterior pelvic tilt can exacerbate the appearance of a belly even if you have lower body fat
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:04 PM
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All the fake sugar soft drinks taste weird to me
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:38 PM
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Possibly but I doubt it, it seems to be more about coming of age (which is a common theme) and impostor syndrome (pretending to be a grown up). Also most of the comments are about the aesthetic and how beautiful and stylish and talented the members are, no real discussion about social issues if that was the point. That would be too risky a topic for a Japanese pop song IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:02 PM
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The purple pill is overlooked
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:36 PM
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resource gathering Life is an RTS game
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 05:33 PM
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Lol that's funny it's like the cow version of sneaking out her bedroom window And once again cows are back in my top 3 of cutest animals
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 05:15 PM
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I don't know about Vietnam, but the left (and feminism) in Japan has pretty much been a non-entity since the 70s. There's too much inertia from the ruling conservative party (LDP) enjoying a near-monopoly for any kind of opposition to coalesce, and people's lives are comparatively better than the rest of the developed world. And it's not just lack of political power, there's a lot of apathy towards the idea of modern feminism among Japanese women, to the extent that many actually say things like…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 04:49 PM
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They seem like a well-matched power couple Also I couldn't imagine Mr. "Smoking these meats" living any kind of wild playboy lifestyle. From what I've seen about him the guy cares about technology and probably like three other things a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 05:02 AM
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I was picturing a 5-cow mini traffic jam on a country road
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 04:38 AM
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Hotter and more pleasant are sexist stereotypes. Libido also depends on the individual. However, "More women that age who are still single (hot or otherwise)" does makes sense. That's just statistics. As does "less experience," if the guy also has less experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 04:29 AM
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Okay so I guess another takeaway is that there's more than one camp of people on the "pro" side of the debate. But mostly because they agree, for very different reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 04:16 AM
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Again I think the claim about being in the same life stage is a defensive reaction to a particular "age gaps bad" argument, it's too specific to be a gloat. Kind of like how women who push back against the "high n-count is a moral death sentence for females" narrative aren't necessarily trying to hide that they enjoy superficial pleasure. But yeah it would be cringey to just brag about young women and how much you hate older women out of the blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 04:06 AM
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I mean I get the feeling these guys would be skeptical of a 30 year old woman acting like she's still "spiritually 22". Well those guys are hypocrites then. Also if you didn't experience life until you are 30, isn't that kind of your own fault? Yeah but that's a practical issue, not a moral one. Plus it's their problem that they can still turn around, not a license for strangers to say well you shouldn't date this person because you're vanilla and she's chocolate. No need to create artificial ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 03:51 AM
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Being 30 does mean you have more life experience than a childless 22 year old. On average, I agree. Assuming two people with the same personality and socioeconomic status. But past college I'd say life experience has more to do with your willingness to go out and...experience life, which is independent of age. It's a good rough approximation for 80% of people, but since dating is obviously an individual thing and since the root of most arguments on PPD is that guys and women here will abuse AWAL…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 03:43 AM
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Eh I mean once you have your college degree and you're working full time then you're pretty much in the same life stage until you get married or have kids or some other major life event that's on the level of "tax return worthy." You don't magically advance to the next stage on the midnight of your 30th or 40th birthday. Hell, even a 22 year old parent is in a much more accelerated life stage than someone older who's never had the responsibility of raising a whole ass child. I'm sure that shit c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 03:30 AM
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Pretty sure the "same life stage" thing is a common criticism that's used against age gaps that OP is responding to. He's not making up the wonky logic out of thin air, the original reasoning of the whole life stages argument itself involves a lot of mental gymnastics and inconsistent application.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 03:19 AM
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I see, that's good to hear!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:52 AM
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I mean tbf that's probably easier for 18 yo you to say lol Or 25 yo you, for that matter. That's still before the age where mainstream society really starts hammering home to women the "get married or become an old spinster" narrative, sadly
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:07 AM
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Happy birthday! Do you subject yourself to PPD as an exercise in mindfulness and learning to drown out the craziness of the world, just curious lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:01 AM
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Nah 35 year old women are young and pretty
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:59 AM
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geriatrics Lol kinda ironic to see triggered women throw other 30+ yo women under the bus in order to prove a point about aging and desirability The one thing that keeps age gap discourse tolerable and kind of entertaining I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:50 AM
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Not everyone is searching throughout those 17 years And every failed relationship can potentially take up years too
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:49 AM
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Well considering that people always advise women to be financially independent from their husbands so they don't get trapped, it does make sense to prioritize your career when you still have the youth and energy to. Especially if you're really damn good at making money and enjoy your job.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:21 AM
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I don't see women being like "I can't believe people think that I, a childless woman, should have to date a single father". Yeah I don't see that much either. I think the reason why a lot of guys complain about having to date single mothers is because they're responding to gendered "woke" societal messaging about how it's body shaming if a man isn't attracted to certain body types, or how it's sexist if a man doesn't see a single mother as a viable option. Except the timing of their complaints i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:14 AM
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I meant to say women who eventually want to get married but are focused on their career so they put it off until later. I don't see a problem with a 40 year old woman in a high-powered career who decides she wants to start dating and get married. Who cares when everyone else does it? I agree men shouldn't bitch about women later as long as they're not expected to date those specific women later. ​ Especially when those men usually had the option to be asking out women the whole time without soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:06 AM
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Or you could settle down and have kids when all the other people do? Assuming they actually want kids. Even if they do though I think the idea of societally enforcing life milestones is a double-edged sword. Sure from a self-disciplinary POV it can be good to make sure you're on track by keeping up with the Joneses if that's your current life plan. But from a modern, progressive point of view I find it a bit problematic to tell a woman who wants a career, for example, that you gotta get married …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:52 AM
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Oh ok yeah if we're talking about 18-25 dudes then complaining about having to date single mothers is kind of odd, unless you live in some religious community where people get married and divorced real early lol Although I have seen guys get downvoted on like Tinder subs for making offhand remarks about not preferring single mothers, but then again the disapproval was probably coming from the more combative feminist types or understandably frustrated single mothers themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:37 AM
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I don't subscribe to that "wall/post wall" crap I'm just talking about women in general If single parents of any age want a childless partner then yeah you'd have to solve that differently. I'm not sure what kind of advice to give in that scenario except maybe make sure you project a really fun persona or highlight your best qualities to offset the other person's concerns about the having kids part
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:22 AM
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Frankly people do indirectly pressure men to date single mothers when they shame men by calling them "creepy" for not dating women their own age. The problem with the "stay in your age-lane" rhetoric is that by a certain age a lot of the single women already have children from previous relationships. To be clear this is is not a diss towards single mothers at all, I would not expect an older woman to have to date men her age either if she doesn't want to deal with step kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:09 AM
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Sorry to hear that... Luckily for you cats are very skilled at making biscuits!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:27 AM
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That's because friend groups are NOT random samples of the population (for either side in this debate), even if people think that they "randomly" make new friends. CS is pretty heavily male-dominated and tends to attract a certain personality type so it's possible there's a different dynamic there. Then again the people who claim "every 'average' guy in my friend group has no problems with women" might also be speaking from a bubble in the sense that charming/attractive people tend to congregate…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 08:35 PM
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In some alternate dimension where being mildly sexist against men would actually guarantee the end of extreme sexism against women? Sure I would pick mild sexism against men, from a utilitarian standpoint. But that's easier for my moral conscience to admit because I am volunteering as a man after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:58 PM
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Any kind of dance or fitness class? But you have to actually kind of enjoy doing the thing for it to be sustainable
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:33 PM
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Nursing
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:15 PM
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Brb going to the LSD store
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:10 PM
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Disagree, that's kind of a common logical fallacy. Just because you're the same age as someone doesn't mean you've had similar life experiences. Type or quantity wise. You gain life experience from actually going out and learning new things and experiencing life, not from celebrating birthdays or repeating the same home-work-home daily schedule with little change. To use a work analogy, it's the difference between 5 years of work experience versus one year of experience done five times over. Lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:00 PM
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Well a billionaire would probably outcompete the average guy 9 times out of 10, but they're still competing with each other a lot of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:53 PM
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We're not talking about a guy who could be a model You can't exclude "models" if you're trying to make the point that social skills are more important than looks. Because the reality is that different woman each have a different threshold for which a guy is hot enough to her that she doesn't care what comes out of his mouth. Looks are subjective to the individual so being "hot enough to get away with anything" is subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:17 PM
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I think both steams from the anger that somehow the Gender Traitor (the childless man marrying a mother, the young woman marrying 10+ older) is messing up their market by selling themselves for what they consider 'discount price'. Great point, the Gender Traitor phenomenon is the reason that terms like "pickmes" have proliferated in dating discourse. The politicization of our culture has really segregated people into opposing camps. Sure, dating has always been competitive in a way but not to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:11 PM
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There's a power dynamic ...if the 35 year old single mother is the boss at a company that the man works at ...if the 35 year old single mother has more money than the man ...if the 35 year old single mother has more relationship and life experience than the man (which you'd expect if the man has never had children) There's a lot of potential power dynamics, it's just easier for people to ignore the ones that aren't neatly quantifiable with a simple number
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 05:59 PM
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How to approach, what to say, how to sell yourself, etc. Again the point is that unexpected reactions are the most honest reactions from your POV, so your best window into his personality under pressure is to "catch" the guy unaware
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:00 AM
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Yeah I mean he might not ask right away, or he might regroup with his buddies to "strategize." It might sound weird to you but I am honestly speaking from a guy's POV lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 11:40 PM
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Of course there's a benefit, even in the optimal case I think you're hinting at where he notices you later and likely approaches you, it's in your best interest to prevent that outcome by making your move before he either notices or initiates, because then you'd still be giving him less time to rehearse and prepare. And being proactive makes sense in other areas in life. Why pick your life partner or your outfit or colleges to apply to or your career from a list given to you by a stranger, inste…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 11:31 PM
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Any short-term situation where you notice him but he doesn't notice you, then you have to initiate before he walks away Any longer-term situation like a party where you notice him but he doesn't notice you among a sea of people, you have to initiate in order to stand out Any situation where he notices you but is shy, him not making a movie doesn't mean he's not into you (disregard if you're not into shy guys)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 10:44 PM
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Also he'd have to be into you in the first place for that to even happen, so you're still relying on chance instead of going after what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 10:31 PM
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Then that would also work in your favor too I guess. But that's assuming he didn't actually notice you before you noticed him lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 10:28 PM
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If a guy notices you before you notice him at a party let's say, then he has time to "act" differently by fixing his posture and his appearance, sucking in his belly, faking a confident voice, telling embellished stories to make himself seem cool, etc. OTOH if you notice him first before he's onto you then you can observe him silently and find out the baseline of what he normally looks like and acts like. So he's already "locked in" and committed to the persona he's broadcast and the details of …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 10:21 PM
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A woman making the first move allows her to see the guy's honest self more easily because he wasn't expecting the interaction so he doesn't have time to "prepare" his appearance or his demeanor. It's harder for a guy to fake a persona when he's caught off guard and reacting in split-second real time, than if he had time to "rehearse" a witty pickup line and conversational topics beforehand by planning and making the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 10:05 PM
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You're shifting the goalposts from deception to lack of courage. If anything a woman making the first move allows her to see the guy's honest self because he wasn't expecting the interaction so he doesn't have time to "prepare" his appearance or his demeanor. It's harder for people to fake a persona when they're reacting in split-second real time, than if they had time to "rehearse" a witty pickup line beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 10:02 PM
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The main reason why women should never make the first move is even if the man is not interested in you in the slightest he will still most likely entertain you for an easy hook up If I'm not attracted to a woman then her making the first move is not going to change that Also the biggest logical flaw to your theory is that players are precisely the type of guys who are going to approach women. If you're going to generalize then that's the more reasonable assumption to make. What phone scammer wai…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 09:49 PM
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Purple pill is best pill
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:10 PM
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Jude Law:
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:02 PM
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Myron is actually fit though, if there's one thing you can't really criticize him on it's his physique
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:23 PM
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I mean it seems obvious that the point here is about her hypocrisy, not "attractive guys are attractive." Changing your mind is fine but when you complain about men only wanting superficial things then you pretty much open yourself up to criticism when you go against your principles after criticizing others
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:08 PM
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I guess that depends on what you'd consider average looking, and socially charming
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:03 PM
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Eh you might be oversimplifying it a bit, sure the office hot phenomenon is a thing but just because they work with you doesn't mean they'll significantly lower their standards for you, especially if there's constant turnover Otherwise if it were that easy then guys would have a "line cook phase" and people would stop talking about leagues like it's an extraordinary feat to shoot out of yours
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:59 PM
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Wouldn't average women be easier to deal with if they're not the ones "playing games" though?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 04:32 PM
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Not necessarily. A lot of attractive women who know they're attractive don't feel like they have as much to prove as average women, so they won't fixate on dating equally attractive men for the sake of showing off their status. And they've already been there and done that in terms of the hot guy experience, so there's no point in arm candy because it's not novel anymore. In fact even many average women prefer dating guys who are less attractive than they are so they don't get outshined in terms …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 04:13 PM
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I was trying to explain how adopting a perpetual attitude of vigilance towards a group of people is a net harm for society, but then again appealing to racial profiling as an analogy of the potential harms would probably be more meaningful to a politically left-leaning person Since we seem to fundamentally disagree there's not much else to say on this point
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 12:54 AM
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It feels like you're trying very hard to throw the existence of racial profiling under the bus...in order to defend the idea that being "vigilant" (or the idea of a "neighborhood watch") is somehow not a loaded word that can be easily misused to demonize an entire group that a particular criminal happens to belong to
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 12:23 AM
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Selective vigilance towards certain groups based on their immutable characteristics is a form of bigotry
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 12:13 AM
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Go racially profile. You were going to do that anyway. You clearly didn't read my responses, since you missed the part about me saying they're both bad... Let women be vigilant in peace. They’re not even killing or raping you. "Bigotry 'Vigilance' is cool as long as you're not being killed or raped." Good talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 11:56 PM
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You didn't actually read my comment or you chose to ignore the glaring point about racial and gender profiling. A woman discussing her experience of being harmed is fine as long as she doesn't misuse the opportunity to frame it as "why do men" or "all men." Just like a white person discussing their experience of being harmed is fine as long as they don't frame it as "why do minorities" or "all minorities." Being a victim is not carte blanche to encourage broad-brush negative stereotypes against …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 11:45 PM
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There's a difference between feeling understandably unnerved by a tragedy like that versus casting a narrative of suspicion onto all men. For people in a society to coexist peaceably there has to be a bright red line separating "reasonable concern for personal safety" from "justifying racial/gender profiling." The 18 wheeler analogy doesn't work because you can't be bigoted against 18 wheelers. Or any analogy involving lions, Russian roulette, or poisoned jelly beans.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 11:29 PM
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Yep they call it analysis paralysis and I also spend too much time dealing with it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 10:50 PM
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They're still different enough. It's hard to showcase your personality on a dating app, plus some people just look better in person than in a photo.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 10:44 PM
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Yeah I guess the idea of introducing your dates to your family would take some getting used to lol But on the flip side I'd imagine the benefit of involving your family's judgment would be higher trust and longer lasting relationships in general
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 08:45 PM
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Maybe so but typically you also need a nice face to be considered a sex icon
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 08:41 PM
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It probably also helps that he looks like Michael B Jordan as Killmonger
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 08:23 PM
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You'd never get a "north side boy" falling for a "south side girl". It's hard to explain but Japanese cities tend to be uniquely designed in that there's a lot of variety within city blocks (because of the way they're zoned) so they feel heterogeneous and interesting. But also different city blocks seem uniformly heterogeneous, so you don't feel like you're missing out on the south side experience because you can easily find a similar experience in the north side. Which makes the types of people…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 08:14 PM
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In pretty much every urbanized 1st world society we've watched birth rates plummet regardless of how much the culture might have been affected. Except Israel, interestingly. Even non-religious Israelis have high birth rates, so it's a cultural thing that I would imagine many world leaders would have wished they could study and emulate if they could only get it to work in their countries. But yeah that's mostly true. In Japan's case though the declining birth rates ended up with people funneling …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 07:58 PM
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Density = pathology only if the density is not managed well. Tokyo is a great counter-example to this. And I'm not sure that you can draw the same conclusion with respect to dating specifically. About dating though, dense urban settings do offer more options, then again in the wild you're also competing with more people. That said, dating in person still doesn't quite approach online dating dynamics because you're only effectively judged against your competition within specific limited environme…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 06:51 PM
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interacting with women was walking on egg shells Most of the time it isn't, EXCEPT in the workplace. I wouldn't try to prove that point by speaking a bit too soon about how making moves on a coworker hasn't backfired on you...yet. Then again IIRC you said you don't work in a formal office environment in a job you'd care about losing, so your advice would be too risky to be broadly applicable anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 06:32 PM
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sounds reasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 01:37 AM
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You're gonna need multiple elimination rounds for some of these categories
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:53 AM
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I don't need to demand individual names to know that fat shaming and slut shaming are societal stigmas that women suffer from. Same idea here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:51 AM
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Which one of these is going to go down better: It doesn't matter how nicely you verbalize your preferences, people are going to criticize you for them Also not all criticism is equally valid, so pushing back against criticism is necessary as well
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:45 AM
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Peer pressure and social shaming exist and inhibit people's behavior, it would be unreasonable to expect human beings to be completely stoic in the face of judgment
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:42 AM
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Seems like the other person is quite over-sensitive themselves lol I wouldn't worry too much about it, just make sure to check your blind spots next time
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:48 PM
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To be fair the idea that women by nature kill children more than men is easily confounded by the fact that there are more female nurses than male nurses, for example. But it does put to rest the idea that only men express frustration through externalizing violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:22 PM
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Sure, if you're in imminent danger. The point is one shouldn't make a habit out of lying or ghosting during peacetime just because they'd be mildly inconvenienced. And also that logic would have to apply to any "suspicious" variable aside from the approaching party's gender. After all the woman's safety is paramount right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:02 PM
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Because they're in the 5% of course
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:28 PM
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The majority committing the nuisance are men That doesn't mean the majority of men are committing the nuisance that doesn’t make the negative response to unwanted solicitation “bigotry” If you frame it online as a "need to be vigilant against men" then yes it's by definition bigotry
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:07 PM
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Unwanted solicitation can be annoying whether it’s men, Girlscouts, religious proselytizers, or men. The difference of course being that "men" is the only one in that list that is an immutable trait, but you probably knew that already given your hesitance to list more equivalent examples of groups it would be considered bigoted to "caution" against thousands of times more likely Sounds legit
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:04 PM
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In which case, the solicitor is in no position to demand or expect a response which suits them. Again, that depends on the nature of the response, there is such a societally recognized thing as overreacting or being a Karen. Bigotry, for instance, is rarely acceptable in response to a perceived nuisance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:33 PM
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Attraction doesn't just magically become voluntary just because someone is picky or has no options. Both people in your examples have 2 legs to stand on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:02 PM
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Whether the person being inconvenienced decides it's an imposition is not very meaningful morally speaking, because clearly there are instances where that person's subjective bias or bigotry can frame an innocent encounter as a threatening imposition based on the race or gender of the one approaching them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:57 PM
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Yep this is the nuance people aren't really grasping. Dishonesty (and even bigotry) are very unfortunate strategies that are unacceptable in normal life but sometimes understandably employed...but only if you reasonably believe you're in a life-or-death situation. It's not carte blanche for women to start lying to men or for people to start avoiding minorities out of a habit of pattern recognition just because "it's better to be safe than sorry."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:52 PM
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Until that risk goes away, women have every right to give out fake numbers and false hope. Sure, if you need to extract yourself from a dangerous situation and you're never gonna see the guy again then absolutely. But it's not carte blanche for women to encourage a habit of ghosting or leading guys on out of mild annoyance or a "someone better just came along" mentality. Also that wouldn't have helped in this situation because again the guy was her classmate and would likely have been even more …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:42 PM
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Because there's a fine line between self-protection and promoting defensive bigotry in the name of self-protection. All these arguments about men being "dangerous" as a class and therefore a monolith worthy of suspicion are perfectly morally analogous to arguments about minorities and immigrants being "dangerous" and promoting active vigilance against them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:28 PM
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If by objective you mean society's opinion then yes that's true, some guys overrate themselves. But it's not like "celebrity = model" (unless they're a model), there are a lot of ordinary looking celebrities.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:12 AM
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but we don’t talk about reddit men literally rating hot women and celebrities 4-6 Depends on the celebrity, some of them are overrated and some them are accurately rated from the guy's POV Attractiveness is subjective after all
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:43 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 11:34 PM
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Sure those are all concerns, and you can add in "life experience" too. But since we're talking about assumptions none of those factors are reliably correlated to age on an individual level, past adulthood at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 11:30 PM
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There's like 10 different subs with some variation of "Am I wrong" People really seem to like this stuff but at this point I consider it a creative writing sub just with more political outrage
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 11:24 PM
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Where's the melody :/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 11:07 PM
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Was also told that I know how to engage the right muscles "Nice mind-muscle connection brah!" Seriously though good job, the mental work is like half the battle
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 11:05 PM
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I was gonna say "Can't build a family without a woman" in defense of women But then I realized how problematically that statement could be interpreted nowadays So how about "Women help build families and fill up empty houses"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 10:45 PM
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You kind of hinted at it in your other comment, but replacing "level" with "age" is the reason why all the age gap discourse feels so comically meaningless to me lol Put aside all the assumptions about the dude being sexist or manipulative. And of course there's no hard age limit on beauty. But why are guys "supposed" to be attracted to and date women their age? Because some stranger feels offended that they're not staying within their lane?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 10:35 PM
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I don't think you have much of a choice once they start squealing and peeking their little noses over the edge of your bed
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 10:20 PM
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Unironically? Start a YouTube channel You can get a lot of attention from looking very unique and cultivating a niche fanbase, even if it's only 1 in 10000 you'll get 100 potential offers of interest from your million subscribers. If you have a marketable skill then even better. No guarantee on the goods not being odd though, but you gotta start from somewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 09:08 PM
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How convenient that you're a 10 and the ones you disagree with happen to be below average "Reality" indeed
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 05:38 PM
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With some people you actually can't tell though, as a stranger. Like women with very bubbly personalities who naturally talk "flirty" even with guys they aren't consciously flirting with. Even if you think she's into you you can't know for sure unless you've seen how she interacts with her platonic guy friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:36 PM
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Ok so I'd say there's a difference between knowing what your wife wants without her having to explicitly say it, versus assuming what a random woman you just met wants based on her giving signs that different women might use to convey different things. The first one is more understandable when you say men need to be more emotionally attuned in a marriage (but direct communication is still important). The second I disagree with because the guy would be making a huge assumption to interpret a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:21 PM
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How would you define emotionally incapable, because from just those words that sounds kind of easy to disprove
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:53 PM
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Eh sort of. To the extent that guys who are unfamiliar with MeToo type political narratives have an unhealthy fear of rejection or don't even try that's their fault, but realistically most people have heard of MeToo. In the age of cell phones and viral TikTok shaming it's also the very vocal and highly upvoted online voices from social media and dating advice/women's subs that is inhibiting a lot of these guys out of fear of causing offense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:48 PM
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Does the "objectively" modify all the adjectives or just the word tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:26 PM
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If you assume the traits that appeal to those women are changeable, sure you would better your odds in principle, I wouldn't say "whatever they want" though
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:22 PM
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Ok, problem is I don't think loyalty is the trait that most guys are complaining about being instantly disqualified by women on dating apps based on
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:07 PM
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The best advice for someone who's not photogenic is to stop using online dating. It's not the end all be all
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 04:55 PM
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Question for you: what are some of the highest standards a woman can have that you believe are still attainable for a guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 04:51 PM
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Lol yep how did you guess They should rename the daily thread to "potoricco's diary"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 04:07 AM
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Lmao the 300 gives it away instantly
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 01:07 AM
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RUSH B
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 12:53 AM
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For some reason I feel like the adjective is less insulting than the noun form Like "female"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 12:51 AM
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Ooh I know what нет means
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 12:42 AM
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I see, I'm not familiar with your stance on it to begin with I think I spend more time in the daily thread nowadays than the actual posts
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 12:33 AM
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To my knowledge you don't have a pattern of saying either raunchy things or overly combative things So no because you blend in, but being normal is cool too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 12:17 AM
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Embrace your brand
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 11:51 PM
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Congrats on being one of the few people in this sub I can instantly identify from your comments alone
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 11:46 PM
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Because you have a very convenient imagination
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 11:46 PM
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Yep CimZim was cool, she was always a respectful and good-faith debater
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 11:38 PM
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Yep gotta watch out for those height gaps
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 10:59 PM
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"6 ft tall guys are BAD NEWS. I had an ex who was 6 ft tall and he was toxic af NEVER AGAIN LADIES!"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 10:46 PM
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Some men, certainly not all and probably not a majority
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 07:04 PM
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F A K E C E P T I O N
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 06:45 PM
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Did you link the wrong picture? All I see are coconuts in Barbados
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:52 PM
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Different cultures can have different values so it's not entirely a superficial distinction
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:19 PM
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IME it's also easier to guess age when you're evaluating people the same race as you instead of a different race, at least within slim enough margins of accuracy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 10:16 PM
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I think you'd have an easier time convincing people if you chose a picture of a 30 year old black or Asian dude lol The age detection algorithm seems to falter across race and ethnicity, in my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 10:02 PM
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For sure, there's less pressure upfront to make a hard decision and it feels less like an audition in many ways
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 08:07 PM
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With regard to the pickiness aspect, matchmaking is kind of a twilight zone because it retains online dating dynamics except in real life. You're still treated more like "stats on paper" and there's a weird anticipation of perfection before meeting the other person, instead of running into them organically in a social situation and being more forgiving with flaws thanks to shared chemistry. So I'm not sure that the conclusions are broadly applicable to the average couple who meets offline in a "…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 07:56 PM
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OK you're talking about online dating which is an entirely different and gender-imbalanced dynamic than meeting people in, well, real life
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 07:50 PM
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Age gap relationships are incredibly common 39% of Americans have dated someone with an age gap of 10 years of more This from the 2022 Ipsos poll
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 07:43 PM
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"Women never hit the wall" is just as sweeping a generalization as "women hit the wall at 25"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 07:42 PM
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Physically we all know that youthfulness makes anyone look better, why would an unattractive man look better when he's older? Weight loss/fitness transformation perhaps. Also guys with baby faces look more masculine once they lose the fat. Most guys are average looking, not unattractive. And it's not like a huge difference between 20s and 30s where you suddenly start looking like a senior citizen the second you turn 30. That's what people who believe in "the Wall" like to think.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 07:16 PM
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They've both been historically disastrous, but communism is more insidious because everyone already knows "fascist" is a bad word
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 05:38 PM
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It's possible that their friends are much more attractive than they are and the posts are a slightly coded rant about looks jealousy. Especially the one where the friend married the "insanely successful" doctor at a young age.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 05:29 PM
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How much of "female money privilege" is just apex fallacy I wonder At least at the cushy 7 figure level
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 05:01 PM
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Grapes-of-Wrath-pilled
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 04:59 PM
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If you're approaching a woman who is already familiar with your social status then I'd say that's not really a cold approach. Unless you mean your friends are literally in the same room as you and they're gassing you up and she's witnessing all this, that would just be a typical cold approach with wingmen/wingwomen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 04:54 PM
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Probably because she is (currently) nuts "Or probably because I'm no match for even a criminal. I'm so low value..." Some people are more pessimistic when they're frustrated, it might not be rational but comparing yourself to your competition is an understandable impulse
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 01:38 AM
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"I got rejected so I'm gonna be single forever" comments we see daily. Sometimes people exaggerate out of frustration because that's a common thing to do to emotionally prepare yourself "I totally failed my test! I'm never getting into college at this rate! Brb becoming homeless"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 01:33 AM
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Most of the time sure It can also be a "learned my lesson real quick within a few years" type deal where the woman reforms and ends up forgoing bad boys by her mid twenties
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 01:27 AM
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do you want to be with these women? No salt here. But if a woman's past shouldn't matter, then why not? Or should they be "marked for life"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 01:14 AM
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Rule 1: Be Shazamo333 Rule 2: Don't not be Shazamo333
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 01:07 AM
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Stay in school Rodney
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 12:57 AM
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It's a two-sided coin. In principle you should be successful with at least your looksmatch, that would seem "fair" at least from a really crude analysis. Not on an individual level ("she's a 5 and so am I so I should be able to date her"), but on a population level you'd figure it should work out that way. The irony is that a lot of blue pillers will acknowledge that you're not entitled to or guaranteed to end up with your looksmatch, but then shame guys who have trouble attracting their looksma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 12:10 AM
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Whichever age having a high body count is considered a red flag
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 11:54 PM
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Yeah the love goggles thing is a separate scale I'd say. There's a looks scale for men but also an intangibles scale (money, status, confidence, humor, luck, niche appeal) that explains when women say things like "my ugly boyfriend was a 10 to me before we broke up and I realized he looks like a frog"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 08:51 PM
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The points aren't linear I don't think, even if it's only 2 points you can't just go from a 7 (decent looking) to a 9 (model level) by working out. It gets exponentially more difficult to move up, at least looks wise
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 08:38 PM
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Lying about yourself on an anonymous site for the purpose of bragging always seemed funny to me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 05:03 PM
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Yes I'm sure you personally know every interracial and gay couple and how "cool they are" with not needing social acceptance lol Which makes your little story quite funny, if they don't care then why did you intervene on behalf of those gay men if you're so confident that they're not bothered by social criticism? They should just "suck it up" right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 04:52 PM
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Your anecdote just demonstrates there are people out there who publicly hate gay couples, it doesn't prove that people who publicly hate age gaps don't exist. I can say I've never personally witnessed a public outburst against a gay couple, but of course that wouldn't mean much if I tried to use that to make a generic claim about the state of LGBTQ acceptance nationwide.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 04:49 PM
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He always told me if someone wasn’t making minimum 10k a month selling cars they have no business selling cars. Interesting philosophy. Although I guess you do need a very competitive mindset to thrive in that kind of environment
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 04:10 AM
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The really good ones maybe, not the norm though That was more a joke about their scummy reputation
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 03:56 AM
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"Hey at least I'm not a used car salesman, that's more man than you'll ever be" Pretty unprofessional of him, but the dude was probably pissed for losing out on a potential sale
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 03:23 AM
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Nah those two things are totally different lol It's like when dog moms say "I'm a mom too!"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 12:02 AM
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You can gain muscle on a caloric deficit if you lift and take care of #1
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:06 PM
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Not to legitimize a guy like Andrew Tate as an educator or a person but you can't look at his lifestyle and his status and say that he doesn't pull. In fact the problem is that it's too convincing to a lot of desperate guys who will look at his material success and believe that his brand of advice is the universally applicable, critical factor in turning loneliness to abundance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:26 PM
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Oh I see you're doing IF specifically
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:11 PM
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Why not just eat smaller portions per meal instead of skipping a meal entirely?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:03 PM
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I have agreed not all are bad in multiple comment responses on this very thread. Sure, but that just makes your "grow a thicker skin" victim blaming seem out of place. That’s a far cry from what people who criticize age gaps are talking about. Plenty of people criticize age gaps based on "I stopped reading at the ages, run girl!!!" level of critical thinking. Regardless if it's a positive or neutral post. And if OP describes it positively then they'll rarely believe them and say things like "You…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:29 PM
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You can’t take off the color of your skin or choose the gender you are attracted to. You also can't change your age or choose the age of the next person you happen to meet and connect with. This isn't a difficult concept, attraction is involuntary. There’s a reason the bigger the gap the rates for divorce are astronomical. Because of the confounding factor of people confusing cause and effect. Age gap divorces often happen because of the stress of friends and family members judging without reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 06:40 PM
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because fat people make the dating market less competitive. But obesity affects both men and women, so to the extent that one would prefer a non-obese partner the dating market would stay equally competitive
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 06:10 PM
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So by the same principle do you just stay silent when you encounter racist or homophobic people and instead tell their victims they should just grow a thicker skin when they do complain? I don't buy it Also age discrimination exists in the job market and in entertainment and generally in our culture, but I'm sure as a woman you already know full well about how ageism in society is real. Despite you seeming to downplay it for the sake of getting a "gotcha" in an age gap debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 06:01 PM
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The strength advantage alone should be concerning enough if one is consistent on the principle of minimizing risk. Physical danger is the number one fear that most women have universally, not some ambiguous fear of being mentally manipulated. The latter involves naivety that is more directly correlated with personality than age. And the "exacerbating" point would also work in my favor if I countered with "then it's fine for a woman to date a man twice her age as long as he's smaller than her. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:57 PM
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Ok yeah I guess it depends on how replaceable the job is for you then lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:52 PM
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There's a difference between "talking to" and "positioning yourself for a potential romantic relationship with" I don't think OP is going to bother asking Reddit whether it's a good idea for him to make small talk about the weather with a female work colleague
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:49 PM
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Are we talking about a "pre-career disposable fast food job that I couldn't care less about" type coworker or a "dream job white collar office environment" type coworker
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:46 PM
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You totally misunderstood my point. I'm saying you have no way to tell on sight whether guys your age prefer younger women than you So shaming age gaps is still beneficial for you because it makes your job of vetting men you find attractive easier
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:40 PM
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That's convenient justification after the fact. It's not like you can identify these guys on sight. Women often report that their biggest frustration is filtering and finding the right guy, so having to deal with guys your age who may or may not date younger women (without you knowing) is still a time sink for these women who may have had their hopes up at first that this guy was a keeper. So of course older women who claim they wouldn't date these guys anyway if they could read minds would stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:23 PM
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Ex-act-ly lol Which makes the hyper-focus on the age gap related power imbalance alone seem very calculated and self-serving, because people only seem to care about imbalances that don't align with their dating preferences. No one hyperbolizes about height and strength imbalances between women and men to claim that any straight couple where the man is taller and more muscular than his gf should be seen as a "creepy red flag." If safety and protecting women is such a paramount issue then deflecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:12 PM
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Do you feel the same about criticism of LGBTQ or interracial relationships? "They're not illegal so those couples should just get a thicker skin" It's a bit intellectually dishonest to simply reprimand the people being criticized and ignore the other half of the equation. The critics themselves also have a moral responsibility to be informed and nuanced in their criticism beyond "it's wrong because I think it's gross" type bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:06 PM
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"Ho ho! Then come as close as you like ... so I can PEPPER SPRAY THE SHIT OUTTA YOU!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 11:48 PM
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With celebrities it's possible you're looking at bad cosmetic surgery rather than natural aging Also you just reminded me of Ellie Goulding for the first time since she released Lights which you would hear literally everywhere all the time when it came out
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 11:17 PM
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That something could be a feeling of insecurity among her peers. For example, some people feel more comfortable interacting with kids or old people instead of their own age group, because they feel like they're less likely to be judged. Also there's a tendency for people to feel more carefree interacting with strangers on vacation abroad, as opposed to their "home environment" where others might recognize them. So perhaps psychologically it's possible she feels more at ease if there's some age d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 10:32 PM
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*militant feminist narcissism There are women who mean well when they say "be yourself" but they just don't understand the male perspective of having to deal with scarcity, in order to give specific and actionable advice in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:34 PM
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"Oh? You're approaching me?" ​ (Sorry, couldn't resist)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:24 PM
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I would say if you're not having success in dating then it doesn't hurt to try a different strategy. But because you're kind of approaching this from a mindset of loneliness you should be extra cautious not to interpret any sort of positive attention as earnest emotional connection. So my recommendation would be to ask a friend you trust to help you vet the guy. Make sure you understand the risks and complications of age gap relationships, but talk it over honestly and objectively, on a case by …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:15 PM
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Why is an age discrepancy the one kind of discrepancy where people assume the partner is only dating them for their age? Instead of all the other reasons people find other people attractive? If a woman prefers men with a beautiful thick head of hair, then are her potential boyfriends justified in worrying that she'll dump them the moment they start visibly balding?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:05 PM
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I think the general assumption based on her experience is that younger guys her age are more superficial in terms of physical standards and more likely to Stacy chase, whereas older people are more holistic in their evaluation of a partner once they've mellowed out
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:02 PM
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Honestly red pill content creators teach a lot of technical things that normies are either afraid to teach or look down upon as something you should "just be good at already," so until society can find an acceptable alternative for the good parts of RP we're kind of stuck with the more objectionable and sexist parts of RP. That's a large part of why I'm purple pilled, because there's a market demand that's not being addressed by more mainstream thinkers either out of shame or contempt or just in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 08:44 PM
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That's an interesting theory. So you're saying when these women give advice it's strategically tailored to help guys with the kinds of women they "should" be dating but not the advice giver themselves necessarily (who perceives themselves as being "above" them) I'm not sure that's universally the case as opposed to people just not caring enough to be specific, but I can see it applying in many situations
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 08:25 PM
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If you're not actually attracted to someone then it'd probably be better not to waste their time and give them false hope. Also it's possible to grow to like someone's personality over time, but if you're not the type of person for whom personality can trump looks then you'd be better off sticking to the worst-case expectation that the first time you meet someone is the best they're going to ever look. Unless they're in the middle of a workout regimen for the first time in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 07:37 PM
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Hookup culture is good for society, notice that now men care about self improvement more than anytime before Good observation about self-improvement, but wrong conclusion. That more suggests that marriage and wanting to find a life partner are good for society and the motivating force for young men. Hookup culture exacerbates single parenthood and family instability. Vs the alternative where monogamy is enforced and "everyone gets a wife/husband". Enforced monogamy is not arranged/forced marriag…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 05:14 PM
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Dude's playing life on easy and hard mode at the same time
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 05:02 PM
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I don't get how people practice on the homies, it's not the same lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 05:00 PM
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Sure but I don't think it's a guarantee either. It also requires you to leave the house (if you're good looking and socially anxious)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 04:50 PM
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Maybe some of those are the same men. But the reality is that men generally have to take risk and fight against small odds in order to achieve dating success. Having realistic expectations doesn't mean you should give up opportunities when you encounter them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 04:48 PM
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If being socially stunted or autistic is such a deal breaker according to PPD (more than your looks) then being a good looking guy and having no experience are not mutually exclusive, presumably
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 04:18 PM
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I thought we were fine with virgins wanting other virgins. That makes sense to me morally, you're talking about odds which is a different issue
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 04:12 PM
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Know your limits
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 01:21 AM
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The super great part of dating within social circle, is... you don't have to be as careful. You certainly still have to be careful. Except in different ways. When you date within a social circle you risk destroying the dynamic of that circle if your relationship goes badly, or if the rejection itself is awkward. With people you know there's no easy exit strategy for you or her (or your reputation) if things don't go smoothly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:35 PM
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Yep, you don't need to be pre-qualified to start practicing how to meditate!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 06:13 AM
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"Lost" is a good way to describe it, gotta learn to pick out the things that matter from all the noise
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:22 AM
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Yeah and there's also a danger in the other extreme, thinking that the impermanence of your thoughts and emotions somehow must lead to nihilism. Not letting things bother you is different from not caring about anything
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:01 AM
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The idea that you can't think of anything while you're meditating is a misconception. If you think of a cat, then focus on your thought and meditate on the cat objectively! The point is to train yourself so you disassociate thoughts that arise in your mind from the power that their accompanying (negatively or positively) distracting emotions can inflict on your mind. "So a cat is just a four-legged animal with fur, no more, no less. Yes I know that cats can be cute and I love squeezing them, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:01 AM
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No if you're claiming that every guy who approaches you has bad intentions then even if the assumption is true for guys on PPD it stops being true anywhere she steps foot outside of a Reddit meetup.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 07:54 PM
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Well it's dating advice, not "how to date someone from PPD" advice
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 07:46 PM
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Even if that assumption were true what good is giving advice that only applies to the members of a specific internet forum you also frequent, instead of a random sample of people you actually meet in real life? Makes no sense Beyond that it's just excusing bigotry and lack of critical thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 06:12 PM
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Mostly classical piano by training but also some bossa nova/jazz out of personal interest
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 02:57 AM
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Yeah I play music but I'm not a songwriter or anything lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 02:51 AM
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The war trauma thing is one factor, but it's likely also because being Jewish is a cultural thing as well as a religious thing, so even secular Jews are going to be influenced by customs. Apparently in Israel having 3 kids is seen the same way as having 2 kids in the US is seen as the perfect family size, so they stay just above replacement level.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 02:29 AM
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If I were I wouldn't be on PPD
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 02:06 AM
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That's like saying I'm a better artist than Billie Eilish because I'm older than her. Not everyone is a manipulator nor does everyone start learning how to manipulate at the same age.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 01:50 AM
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You don't like Android?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 10:45 PM
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Do you always post something and then barely respond to the comments? Anyway there's a middle range between attractive and unattractive called "average" The point is that many average guys are surprised at how average women will often pick attractive men over their looksmatch on dating apps and such
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 07:04 PM
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It's one of those default subs that shows up on the front page pretty regularly
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 06:20 PM
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How about shave and shower raises? I've heard those are an equally effective alternative
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 05:52 PM
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No but I did two sets of just be yourself crunches Incidentally people started giving me a lot of space in the gym
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 05:42 PM
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In terms of his political opinions? Not really In terms of his personality/fame/status? Very surprising, I suspect their knowledge of his politics are biasing that aspect of the question
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:12 AM
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No I meant judging and stereotyping people based on their immutable characteristics, not their ideas A lot of progressives are fine with stereotyping certain races or genders of people that they don't feel politically allied with, for instance
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 09:09 PM
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exceptions are necessary Yeah so to your point people will make exceptions to their principles regardless of their politics, so it's not unique to any one side
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:28 PM
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Yeah I agree it sucks but people tend to want to avoid discomfort, so they'll avoid giving feedback that might make things awkward
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 07:56 PM
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People don't want to hurt feelings. "I said no because you're a cool person and we get along except I think you're too fat" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 07:27 PM
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Yeah the domestic skills part makes sense. But are those other women motivated to pursue high powered careers to impress men, to the extent that men pursue high-earnings to impress women? If not then either the motivation is intrinsic or there's some other external pressure that's driving these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 07:21 PM
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What do you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 07:17 PM
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Well for all intents and purposes no does mean no, consent works in immediate time frames. If I'm unenthusiastic about someone that doesn't mean I won't change my mind years later, but that's irrelevant to the here and now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:57 PM
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Yeah I'm saying it's not always effective to waste your time hoping for one person to change their mind when you can use that mental energy to meet new people while you self-improve
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:51 PM
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Practically speaking it's not healthy to have a mentality of sticking around with someone who rejected you just so you can have a glow up and prove them wrong, what matters is broadening your horizons and adopting an abundance mentality instead of focusing too much on individual rejections and results. A lot of dating situations aren't going to involve the luxury of spending close to enough time with a woman where she will wait patiently for you to reach the finish line.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:46 PM
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From what you're saying self-improvement for women overly emphasizes attractiveness. I was thinking of a more well-rounded definition of self-improvement that includes learning life skills and independence, career success, personality, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:29 PM
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Don't judge or stereotype people based on their group identity Let people love who they love
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:25 PM
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Unfortunately Reddit has shown me that a lot of liberals also fail to practice what they preach on these topics. What can you do though, human beings gonna human being
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:59 PM
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That's not an unpopular opinion and also quite a capitalist one. There's some truth to it, because among other things, finding a partner is strong motivation for a lot of guys (who aren't naturally good looking) to self improve. What it doesn't address is the other side of the equation, what creates better women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:56 PM
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That makes no sense, of course you can consent to sex work
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:29 AM
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Aberrant behavior which makes people uncomfortable should be criticized, not endorsed for Pete’s sake What the fuck, no...if seeing two gay people kiss makes me uncomfortable that doesn't mean they deserve to be criticized. You're also being slippery with the word "aberrant," it might not be the norm to be gay but there's nothing morally wrong with a gay person (or anyone) approaching someone to ask them out and respectfully taking no for an answer. In no world, in no culture, in no society, in …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:16 PM
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I was responding to one of the top upvoted comments at the time, which was a generalization directed at men. There's no deflection because I already said it's wrong no matter which side does it. Also I've spoken up plenty of times in this sub against Red Pill generalizations about the Wall and certain RP content creators
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:22 PM
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What happens ad nauseum is people like you conflating "younger women shouldn't shame older men's age preferences" with "therefore those younger women are wrong to not date him." Just because I wouldn't date a gay man doesn't mean I have to complain about being hit on by a gay man. Saying "this gay guy approached me today and it was gross" serves no educational or corrective purpose except to display your own bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:18 PM
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"Most" is not "all," and dating is often a game of small odds because it involves individuals and chance NAWALT isn't just a handy comeback, it actually means something in this case. Maybe apply your reason and logic to other things beyond making broad surface-level assumptions
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:56 PM
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Okay, I never suggested that's a good mentality to have. Or that it's therefore somehow okay for women to generalize because "men do it too!" That's like a child asking their parent to break their sibling's toy because "it's not fair that they got to break mine!"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:48 PM
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You're being intellectually dishonest. You know full well that people can't know who's "mutually attracted" to them with certainty in every case unless they actually make a move. People can't read minds from afar nor are they a monolith...saying that you can "reason out" whether someone would be into you is blackpill fatalism. And "staying in your lane/league" would contradict your professed views on attraction. You care enough about men's age preferences for younger women that you call them dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:46 PM
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Or maybe you have nothing to say because you have no rebuttal
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:17 PM
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I would be more amenable to your point if you weren't also a massive hypocrite about refusing to be equally magnanimous and accepting towards men's age preferences for younger women Instead of compartmentalizing that in your mind as a distinctly manipulative and creepy phenomenon despite attraction being involuntary
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:58 PM
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Whining about men not having empathy for women but then turning around to call men's issues "issues" I guess women with internet access are just whining about nothing because there are starving kids in Africa...if we're going to play the "your problems aren't real problems" game of relative privation Real good faith participant you are lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:42 PM
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Most men are emotionally stunted have really shitty character Is there something about Reddit that encourages so many people to speak in generalities with unearned confidence
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:39 PM
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😺
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:14 AM
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"Meowhaus" ​ Ba dum tss
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:08 AM
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The best Bond film bar none
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:49 AM
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Oof, work is the last place I'd expect a feminist to recommend. This sounds more like boomer dating advice instead of something that Gen Z or the modern left would approve of lol It violates all the avoiding-creepiness-rules of "giving the woman an exit strategy" and "not hitting on women where they have to be nice to you." (Like hitting on cashiers, waitress, except much more awkward and the consequences are irreversible because you also work there.) Now if you're talking about a throwaway summ…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 01:37 AM
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"Aww man she already thinks I'm boring three dates in!"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 08:21 PM
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Well that's the thing, "hookup material" is considered a compliment to a lot of guys because it's the opposite where they think you're sexy and fun
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 08:03 PM
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"Husband material" kind of implies that you're dependable but boring, like half a step above "dad material"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 08:00 PM
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Yeah fair point about the test kits and stuff, even then there's some ambiguity. If only there were a more technologically advanced version of a lie detector so we'd have an easier time resolving cases like these
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:01 PM
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Yeah that's my biggest gripe with Red Pill content creator logic You can't preach about self-discipline in exhorting young men to better themselves. But then claim once you're successful that you should be allowed to screw around on your woman because "I'm just wired this way." Also the thing about high-value men providing stability but then endangering the stability of your family life by going out and cheating
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:58 PM
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She could pretend like she's talking to her boys, or presenting at a public seminar Anything besides speaking to a specific kind of audience in an environment like TikTok where being combative and edgy gets you more attention
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 12:33 AM
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I agree that toxic masculinity is harmful but she picked the worst way to express that message. She's trying to address male issues while still getting in a revenge jab at the same time, which just makes her appear petty and two-faced. If you're going to opine about male suicide then maybe don't make the tasteless joke and then double down on it without really apologizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 12:19 AM
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"A society that is created and run by men is not beneficial to you, it's not beneficial to me or anyone" If society is "run by men" then mothers can't possibly be truly responsible for encouraging toxic masculinity because they're only teaching what they've internalized from the patriarchy /s Her whole spiel is preachy, victim blamey, and sets up a clear dichotomy between feminine (empathy, compassion, love) and masculine (angry, horny). She frames those traits as societal stereotypes, but she k…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:59 PM
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Kinda ruined the sincerity of her message by leading with the snarky bitch energy and the "smile more" joke so her supporters wouldn't think she was being "too nice" to men. That said message-wise she offers no alternative to the "society run by men" which she believes is bad. Is she suggesting one run by women (exclusively or in collaboration with men) would be inherently less toxic? Which leads to my next point... She ignores the fact that there are also women responsible for encouraging toxic…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:40 PM
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Not an expert but he can and should do both at the same time Also exercise should ideally include cardio and strength training
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:21 PM
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Well we've gotta decide one way or the other, is social media worth worrying about? I mean Andrew Tate and the Red Pill is technically "not real life" right? Or is social media actually big enough by this point where it's not just a self-contained and isolated box that doesn't bleed into people's unspoken thoughts and public actions?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:07 PM
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Some say Barbie is a feminist movie but others say it's antifeminist I say the director is still a feminist but made the messaging as vague as possible to make money off of both sides
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:02 PM
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Was there any physical evidence against him?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:48 PM
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The entire point of inequality is that people are severely limited from "doing what they want" due to societal biases. Hence the historical need for feminism, anti-racism, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:43 PM
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The main point is not whether the creator endorses the message of the rage bait, the point is the message is still being spread. There are people in the audience who will support it and spread it unironically. Also it doesn't take "neurodivergence" to call out shitty trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:22 PM
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Also whenever you come up with new meals for variety you gotta calculate macronutrient ratios again Sometimes I imagine what it'd be like if human beings didn't store excess fat and just aesthetically starved to death looking sculpted
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:02 AM
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It always felt like I was burning more calories from counting calories than I was gaining from actually consuming them, that shit is tedious af
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:45 AM
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Thing is you're mostly comparing with single people your age, not with the entire adult/married population. So "people of Walmart" is going to give you a false sense of security with regard to your competition, who will probably not be riding around in mobility scooters.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:37 AM
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Lol plenty of Hollywood movies have roles for normal looking people, otherwise the cinematic world would look really odd because everyone would be equally hot Even Barbie has actors in it who aren't considered conventionally attractive at all
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:16 AM
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There are plenty of average looking and even unattractive Hollywood actors. Normal people exist in movies too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:08 AM
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Are you sure you're not the troll lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:04 AM
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Women who like a guy will make it VERY fucking obvious Loool no, that depends on the woman Some women have very shy personalities, if there are guys who are scared to approach then there are definitely women who are scared to reveal their interest
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 12:28 AM
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With the exception of the second one where it's more obvious he's in on the joke, these kinds of things just incentivize the toxic masculinity mindset that they would probably complain about at the same time Also you can tell they're trying to play the "I'm just joking but not really" ambiguity game, because if they didn't believe the jokes were like 50% true then 40K people wouldn't all find it funny by chance
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 12:07 AM
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"Forced" is kind of a meaningless term though. No one is holding anyone at gunpoint, but people do shame others for attempting to pursue people "out of their league" and not "staying in their lane." Which is where the objections understandably arise. Often they only begrudgingly retract their judgment after the couple in question has proven them wrong first, if at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:35 PM
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No one said you can't drink beer and eat food at the same time
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:42 PM
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Ok the Great Hanshin earthquake then. Or any national disaster. My point is that societies in a lot of other countries consider stuff like that off-limits for comedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:01 PM
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Well no you're thinking of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which were very tragic for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. 9/11 was clearly a lot worse for the people who died on 9/11 Also I've never seen a Japanese person make fun of Hiroshima on the internet, like ever. So I think that level of self-deprecating humor and political satire is largely a Western culture kind of thing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 06:50 PM
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I think the utter confusion on Japanese Twitter when Americans actually laughed along with them instead of getting offended by the revenge Bin Laden memes (payback for the Barbenheimer marketing fiasco) really put into perspective how weird it is to the rest of world that the US so casually makes fun of their own national tragedies
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:05 PM
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Depends on the woman, i's a personal preference as well as a cultural thing. There is also the phenomenon of beardfishing that some women on Reddit seem especially concerned about
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:52 PM
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Some people's loneliness is a problem of their own making Not exactly, social ostracism and bullying are disincentivizing and something you have no control over. Social skills are the one type of skill where improvement actually requires cooperation from an eager third party beyond the skill learner's own hard work
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:38 PM
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My personal theory is that preselection bias only works if the woman doing the observing considers the woman who did the preselecting equally or more attractive than herself. In other words, his woman's "league" matters. Also being married doesn't seem like anything special preselection-wise because it's so incredibly common, it's more about the quality of the married guy himself
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 10:35 PM
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Oh ok I didn't know my bad
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 07:16 PM
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Ever since you posted that food pic with the maggots(?) in it I've been kind of skeptical sorry lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 07:08 PM
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That one and the "first date gave me the ick the way he asked the waiter for the check" one crack me up
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 08:52 PM
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I love that SpongeBob is still culturally relevant and an endless wellspring of memes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 08:48 PM
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Cho just seems to me like he's naturally reserved and not very talkative, and all about the music But yeah with the uber virtuoso types there are some who really do give off that tortured genius thing where they'd rather just play you something impressive to get you to stop asking them questions
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 08:45 PM
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10/10 finger dexterity 10/10 musical sensitivity goes without saying
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 08:09 PM
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It's kinda funny how the popularity of being a musician depends on the specific instrument. You gotta play something modern and cool like drums and guitar for maximum mainstream appeal
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 08:06 PM
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Cool dude! Was pleasantly surprised to witness his progression from humble Youtube beginnings to just showing up at the Chopin Competition one day lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 08:03 PM
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You know that wasn't the point
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 06:18 PM
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Except according to OP her behavior had persisted for a week. So clearly his repeated "comfort and support" wasn't doing anything for her in lieu of an actual solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 05:21 PM
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How do males with tons of options still end up picking the wrong woman I like how you can instantly tell who said that just from the way they said it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 04:57 PM
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Hey Reddit is it toxic for a man to not ask his gf before...*checks notes*...brainstorming ideas? I swear that sub is full of women whose favorite pastime seems to be taking the least charitable interpretation of anything a man does
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 04:53 PM
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I'm sure he's also eagerly awaiting all the scritches he's gonna get when he returns back home :)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 06:35 AM
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Prayers for Derp!! 🙏💜😺
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 05:40 AM
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That's just the ideal though, in real life women tend to be more flexible. Obviously if you gave a woman the build-a-boyfriend option she's probably not gonna be opposed to maxing out all the stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 04:05 AM
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Peter Dinklage put little people back on the map again
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 03:56 AM
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You're drawing the wrong logical conclusions from your data. Just because successful men marry women with college degrees and white collar jobs doesn't mean they care about the career as a first priority. It could very well be that those women met their looks standards first and also happened to be professionals. Having a college degree isn't rare if you're a woman anyways so I wouldn't take that as evidence of prioritizing a woman's earning potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 11:59 PM
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I'm not referring to his open relationship, I'm talking about him ostensibly using his fame and his platform to hook up with younger and less well-known female content creators. Including Melina when they first met. Now that's not something I would personally jump to the conclusion of being "exploitative" without evidence, I have a pretty liberal stance on celebrities dating normies and age gaps. But according to some of his own criticisms of red pill it absolutely should make him suspicious of …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:48 PM
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On the topic of dating specifically, he talks about certain red pill strategies being exploitative by using power and influence to one's benefit, but ignores the power dynamics present in his own relationships (with Melina and his female "orbiters") that would lead an observer to make the same negative assumptions based on the terrible optics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:32 PM
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Destiny strikes me as being an opportunist and kind of hypocritical with his principles. That said his debates with his opponents are certainly interesting to watch
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:16 PM
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If looks are subjective then how can someone be delusional for underrating but not for overrating?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:15 PM
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Men and women both want a small percentage of the opposite gender as the ideal. But they're also happy with a partner who might not fit the ideal. Hence a rather generous range of 25 to 35. By analogy I'd have no problem with a woman my height saying that her preferred height range starts at a minimum that's already taller than me. I'd be disappointed, sure, but she's allowed her preference. You can't control attraction for the most part because it's involuntary.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 06:05 PM
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This I think is the real meaning behind the phrase "Ask the fisherman, not the fish." It's not so much that the fish don't know how to catch themselves, it's that they have no incentive to help you catch them more efficiently.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:57 PM
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In today's episode: women okay with their own height discrepancy preferences calling men with age discrepancy preferences neckbeards for not "staying in their lane" "Progressive" my ass lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:44 PM
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No problem!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 02:29 AM
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I believe you, Justwannaread3
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 02:12 AM
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That's the problem with a lot of overbroad feminist rhetoric on the internet IMO. On the one hand coming up with an inspirational slogan like "Women are just as capable as men" makes sense in a society where women were historically denied equality and are now struggling to catch up. But then that message changed over time into "Women don't need men!" And more recently the rhetoric has even distorted into something much more incendiary and controversial, with hypotheticals like "If men disappeare…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:14 AM
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I wonder how often actors use their acting skills in a personal relationship to their benefit
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 10:43 PM
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Face matters too, being a skinny woman isn't enough to guarantee that you're not considered ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 10:29 PM
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Yes that's why I say it depends on the type of advice. Professional advice about building a patio? Knowledge of structural engineering can be scientifically proven and statements are easily falsifiable. Professional person with moderate experience in dating's advice about what groups or types of men to avoid dating? Veers into bigotry and unfounded stereotyping based on over-valuing personal anecdotes and very little statistical evidence Sociological topics deal with human beings, who as we all …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 09:54 PM
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It would be wrong to assume that the majority of criticism comes from that one demographic without evidence, but it's absolutely the case that people will strategically shame certain couples that they feel are a competitive threat to their dating pool. You see this with racists who shame other men "stealing women of their race" like you do with older women (not all of them) who shame men their age and younger women for "not staying in their lane" by dating each other. That's just human nature, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 09:46 PM
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Bad example because living in africa isnt realistic wat
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 08:05 PM
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Fallacy of relative privation "As long as there are starving kids in Africa then 100% of people asking for advice on Reddit are just whiny first-worlders" Including guys with one leg, having both legs is not a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:57 PM
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Depends on the woman and the advice. Unfortunately there are women who can't resist projecting and overgeneralizing about entire groups of men when they give advice, because of a bad personal experience with individual men from said groups. There's a lot of profiling and anecdotal smugness that goes on in relationship advice threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:22 PM
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You can be vague and omit details without outright lying. Saying something like "I do pretty well for myself" is often interpreted as male bravado on a first date anyways so it lets you camouflage your net worth indirectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:17 PM
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Well that's the tradeoff, if you want to enjoy the dating benefits of signaling to women that "I'm rich" then you can't run your experiment at the same time because the "control" conditions are unacceptable to you. I guess the only way to know with more certainty while maintaining your outwardly wealthy lifestyle would be to date a woman who's equally rich or has more money than you, but even that's not a guarantee because people with money don't always stop wanting more.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:07 PM
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If you are a rich man, you cannot really know if she is there for the money. You can just not display your wealth lol At least in the early stages until you know she likes you for you It's easier for a rich guy to live a modest lifestyle or pretend to not be rich, than it is for an attractive woman to pretend to be ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:56 PM
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I'd say even if you're confident the average person will think you're cringe if your confidence is not expressed in a manner or in an interest that's considered socially "cool" and acceptable
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:26 PM
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You'd be surprised, attractive people can have low self-esteem, especially guys because they don't tend to get compliments as much as women do. (Hence the phenomenon of a "hot girl/guy who doesn't know they're hot.") Also some handsome guys used to be plain or ugly as kids and then became attractive later in life, those people can suffer from ugly duckling syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:59 AM
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Handsome guys can be incels too, it's about mindset as much as it is about looks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:43 AM
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Just providing some perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:36 AM
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Ok, because it's quite common for women to consider that a red flag
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:32 AM
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Would women assuming that male virgins have mental or personality flaws fall under the category of inventing stories as well? Caring about n-count and assuming red flag character flaws of people at either extreme (n = zero, n = big number) goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:20 AM
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It’s when you say “Women like that should be avoided as they will most likely not have a backbone or communication issues” that you get into shaming. That’s what’s wrong. By that logic then women are also shaming male virgins by saying they're red flags because they "most likely" have mental issues or personality flaws. The N count dilemma goes both directions (high and 0 count)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:17 AM
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Yep, it's one of those ideas that makes infinitely more sense during the daytime
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:10 AM
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OK fine but let's not forget that tone is a thing that can affect how people interpret what you write and what you leave unwritten. Also I'm working off of an edited comment so I'm taking your word that that's what you originally meant and not something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 09:29 PM
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It's because your comment didn't really address OP's concerns, even though it's a factual description. If a 5'4 guy posted about not having success with women his height then pointing out that "men who are 5'4 and women who are 5'4 are the same" ignores the obvious point that women tend to prefer taller guys, and that "being like me physically or financially" is not considered an attractive trait in men when you're broke. The other commenter wasn't disputing the factual accuracy of your literal …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 09:19 PM
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Well because social skills improvement is mostly about actual repeated practice and execution instead of just theory. And sometimes you need a "buddy" or a coach to keep you accountable and provide emotional support, like a gym buddy except with more feedback involved Same with learning an instrument or a sport, you can watch Youtube videos but having someone teach you is way more effective
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:31 PM
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Hold up. No one said anything about advantages OR disadvantages. OK so what's the specific context of you mentioning people in their 20s being broke and attractive in a discussion forum? Was that just an unprompted and neutral observation? Seems like you were taking issue with an opinion that someone else had regarding being young and having certain advantages/disadvantages depending on gender ("but that's different!")
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:28 PM
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Ok but that doesn’t diminish that typically a young person in their 20s is probably broke and likely at an attractive place in their life. The idea of being in your 20s as an advantage in dating all depends on whether your level of your attractiveness exceeds your level of broke. But yes, that's generally the case with regard to relative brokeness and relative attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:04 PM
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Yeah I agree, the criticism should be directed at the scammy business aspect but not the actual content necessarily. Or the guy for actually making an effort to seek the closest equivalent of professional dating help.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:01 PM
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The value of youth and attractiveness is probably true for both, but the general consensus is that women care more about stability and that men can more easily compensate for lack of youth or attractiveness by being financially stable. Or with other factors like sense of humor, confidence/leadership, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:51 PM
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To be clear I disagree with some of the more incendiary RP takes. That said, dating coaches get a lot of shit but as long as their critics keep criticizing without offering viable alternatives then these coaches are just fulfilling a market need. Incidentally I find it odd that a lot of the people who think men are weird for refusing to go to therapy to address mental health issues then turn around and mock them for taking initiative and enlisting the help of a dating coach to address dating iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:49 PM
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Is it that unbelievable that men and women might generally find different things attractive in the opposite sex? Average woman is around 5'4" "You know there are good guys who are also 5'4" Female height preference: "But that's different!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:37 PM
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Unfortunately human beings have a tendency to judge other people, men and women, differently based on how they look. Pretty privilege is real. One the one hand, it sucks to be young and beautiful and then lose your beauty in old age. On the other hand, it also sucks to have never been considered beautiful, young or old. Honestly I don't know which is worse, seems like the grass is always greener on the other side
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:11 PM
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By that logic if most women aren't actually promiscuous then RP slut shaming shouldn't be a big deal then Or to use a more mainstream example, transphobia involves a victim demographic that comprises an extremely small percentage of the population. But that doesn't stop people from realizing that fighting transphobia is somewhat worthwhile
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:05 AM
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"OJ Simpson brutally stabbed his white ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson to death And this is why interracial marriages are sus" - some dumb person, probably
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 11:46 PM
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Thanks. I haven't actually read through the 2021 GSS report, but skimming through this person's summary and analysis the data...I'm not gonna say the data is wrong because that would be too convenient and you have to start somewhere, but it does seem...interesting. Especially the gender ratios in the 0 partners/1 partner columns. Given that men tend to overreport their "number" and women tend to underreport it (for cultural reasons) that does stand out to me but again I'll hold off on whether I …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 09:19 PM
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I believe you but that still wouldn't say much about the experience of the majority of average guys. You'd be better off citing statistics instead of bringing up personal anecdotes anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:42 PM
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Isn't that just selection bias though? You're only going on dates with the guys who by definition are actually getting dates, and besides it's not like the men in your life are openly going to tell you if they're struggling with something embarrassing like not getting dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:16 PM
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My condolences then
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 08:03 PM
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I think those are the ones that get the most publicity because they're juiciest stories and people love juicy drama Healthy relationships are boring
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 08:00 PM
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There's two coexisting but contradictory narratives when it comes to age gap discourse "age gaps are just a male fantasy because only rich guys get to experience them" but also "every older guy I knew who dated young women was a broke loser"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 07:55 PM
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So women should not date men then, problem solved!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 07:33 PM
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Yeah it do be funny how the woman "getting her 💰" often excuses any concerns about power imbalance, male gaze, life stages, life experience, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 06:40 AM
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I agree with your point on true liberalism, technically speaking. But sadly you can't play the "No True Scotsman" game if you're trying to call out hypocrisy. Unless you're convinced it's a false flag. If they self identify as liberals/Democrats, support liberal/Democratic party views on all other issues, and use the political label as a badge of virtue in an online discussion, then I'd say their opinions on this topic are open to criticism as "liberals." Because if I addressed them as fake libe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 06:18 AM
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Yeah the people you're talking about are actually consistent, but I'm pointing out the ones who aren't lol So if the disconnect doesn't make sense then that's the point, they're being hypocritical
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 05:56 AM
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I disagree, on social media and Reddit especially, the overwhelming majority of criticism against age gap relationships comes from women's subs and relationship advice subs where, just like the overall site demographics, the membership is predominantly politically left leaning, feminist, and/or self described as "woke."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 05:47 AM
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Sure, and I would respect that argument a lot more if the people who actually believed it were equally passionate about 24 year olds with undeveloped prefrontal cortexes being too immature to vote responsibly. And not getting offended when a man calls a 24 year old woman a "girl."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 05:13 AM
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That's kinda my point, you can call yourself whatever political label you want but at the end of the day it's meaningless if you're going to selectively go against your principles anyway when it comes to that one pet peeve issue you hate with a passion. Leave it to the "let people love who they love" and "don't treat stereotypes like they're true for all individuals" tolerant left to do exactly the opposite of what they preach when they shriek about age gaps...in the same black and white manner …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 05:10 AM
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The whole "18 is a baby adult" thing just seems to me like liberals and progressives acting oddly selective about being morally conservative, but only on the age gap issue. Like you rarely see these people clutch their pearls or opine about the dangers of an 18 year old drinking in college with their buddies, in fact they might even make fun of you for choosing NOT to drink before 21 because "you're such a goody two shoes, like, live a little!" But then when the topic comes to dating or hooking …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 04:19 AM
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18-19 is a bit too early though. I say this because when their birthday comes around you gotta understand that they was just a kid like 20mins ago. People will still freak out when the younger one is anywhere < 25 so that argument just seems like a convenient excuse to shut down discussion a lot of the time (not saying you specifically). But like I've seen people unironically say shit like "22 year olds barely just graduated from high school!" Sure, if you were held back 4 years I guess lol Also…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 04:10 AM
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The rice might fill you up better if you're doing low cal But the chips are more fun to eat
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 01:48 AM
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A better analogy would be a situation where the people approaching you actually had something that you really wanted, but you had to sift through them to find that 1 in 20 who actually carried a version of the product to your exact liking and specifications. Also these people approach you politely and professionally, and you live in a society where for some reason it's frowned upon for you to approach them first or proactively go to a store to buy the product yourself .
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 11:48 PM
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Ah ok, I see
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 09:52 PM
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Is your rating affected at all by the knowledge that he's probably somewhat famous (even if you don't know what for)?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 09:48 PM
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Sure, but unlike child labor, sex work is legal in many developed countries. So clearly there's more agreement that consenting exchange of sex for money is morally acceptable in more liberal societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 09:44 PM
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Ok, well if you think being a sewage worker is unlike other jobs (or not "real work") then I guess I'll have to disagree. Work is work, some jobs are nice and respected while other jobs are gross and not respected but they're still jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 09:40 PM
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Not really a gotcha Just because you think being a sewage worker is gross and something you wouldn't do for free doesn't mean it's unlike any other job Also the gay analogy doesn't work because female sex workers are attracted to the gender of their customers. A better question would be "Would you do it if it meant you had to service unattractive women?" But even then the answer wouldn't mean anything because the person could just be more squeamish about things like, say, working with sewage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 09:32 PM
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Same reason as going to a nightclub before 25 I presume
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 07:02 PM
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So the rare woman who loves approaching men gets free admission lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 06:55 PM
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People's values and standards of living change after generations in America, an immigrant here will have higher expectations of a "high-earning spouse" than if they were still in their home country.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 06:36 PM
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Any negative side effects from all the injections?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 05:06 AM
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Oh I'm not saying they're less attractive because of it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:46 AM
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I don't know about the girl in the pic, but a lot of Korean celebrities have been known to get (really well done) plastic surgery. That said Asians do tend to age very well anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:33 AM
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CMV: Women who play the harp are literal angels
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 10:00 PM
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She might be able to find love if she were willing to sign an NDA with whatever guy she ends up dating next, pretty sure more dudes would be interested if they had assurances of not ending up in her next "Dear Firstname" hit song
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 09:00 PM
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Her name always reminds me of a kid trying to pronounce Halle Berry
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:27 PM
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Upvote for classical music which is awesome and shamefully underappreciated
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:22 PM
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Only if that other sub enforces conformity and engages in directed brigading. At that point though you might as well just report the sub. PPD by nature has a diversity of opinions so banning the entire sub seems lazy. Also if you're trying to fight brigading then people can just use throwaway accounts anyway. You're still going to have to moderate on a per-user level basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 07:54 PM
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POC are always gonna have it worse as a group in dating
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 07:48 PM
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You'd have a point if they actually made sure the individual users they banned were spreading that kind of rhetoric instead of deeming them guilty by association and punishing ANY participation in this sub (even if you disagreed with said rhetoric)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 07:45 PM
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Biker is a pretty broad category, you might be thinking of those Harley riding oldheads who are more obvious from the way they dress
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 11:14 PM
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To the extent that creepiness is often subjective, it will reduce the number of inexperienced/shy/awkward men without actual creep intentions from getting lumped into the "perceived creep" category due to skill issues. It takes the pressure of having to initiate off of those men, knowing that they live in a culture where the women are very forward and the roles reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 09:25 PM
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Agreed, my point was that telling someone to just switch to the opposite sexuality isn't an actual solution to their problems
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 08:29 PM
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OK but I'm not disputing that shyness has a genetic component. We're talking about whether it involves fear, and neither of your sources disputes that. In fact both your sources mention fear
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 08:24 PM
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like you can actually become gay or something to solve your problems Yeah it's a very conversion therapy-adjacent thing to say, just replace "gay" with "straight" in that sentence
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 08:06 PM
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Well the way it's typically summarized: Shy people may or may not want to socialize but can't (due to fear). Introverts don't want to socialize but they can (if they wanted to). If you have a source that claims shyness isn't fear-based then I'd be very interested to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 07:57 PM
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Wait but aren't you conflating shyness and introversion now lol I'd say those two are even more clearly not the same thing, because introversion is a preference and not a fear. Whereas shyness and social awkwardness can both involve fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 07:47 PM
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So then what do you believe is the reason why shy people are "uncomfortable initiating things with new people"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 07:34 PM
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Link "Shyness is a sense of awkwardness or apprehension that some people consistently feel when approaching or being approached by others. "Shyness emerges from a few key characteristics: self-consciousness, negative self-preoccupation, low self-esteem, and fear of judgment and rejection "Believing that others are constantly evaluating them poorly, shy people abandon new social opportunities which, in turn, prevents them from improving their social skills" Link "Shyness is a feeling of fear or d…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 07:13 PM
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It's not the only reason for being shy but it is a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:30 PM
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No I'm comparing your example of a not shy socially awkward person (first one) to a shy person (second one) to point out where the overlap exists and how they're both a detriment anyways if you're a guy. Hence the "versus"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:09 PM
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True, but typically comfortable silence is also culturally considered rare. People rejoice about finally finding that one special someone where "we didn't say anything to each other the whole time and it wasn't awkward at all!" Unfortunately being shy as a man is itself one of those generally unattractive traits as well. Saying the wrong things all the time versus not saying much at all (possibly to avoid saying the wrong thing) in a social situation are two easy ways of placing yourself out of …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:50 PM
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Yes that was my point, the numbers are wildly off
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:33 PM
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There's a lot of overlap between shy and socially awkward. If you're hanging out with people and just sitting there without talking then you can easily come off as weird and awkward. Also being a shy guy is not very compatible with having a lot of experience, unless you're attractive enough that women actually make the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:29 PM
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About time
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:38 AM
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I'm partial to Meowser for any kind of cat name
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 01:29 AM
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Either take the shot and have a 50% chance Lol that's not how it works, just because "can i get yo number" is a yes or no question doesn't mean you have a 50% chance of success "Just ask out Margot Robbie 4 times bro!"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 10:12 PM
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Aren’t we supposed to improve and keep the things we find useful? Yes but the nuance is that often the same traits that make men "heroically" masculine are also the ones that make them "toxically" masculine in situations that don't demand heroism. It's two sides of the same coin (personality), so it's not always as simple as just discarding the bad parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 07:57 PM
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Because it feels like selectively picking and choosing what parts of traditional masculinity you're fine with Yes the preferences are largely involuntary, and I only really take issue with it when it comes to the vocal feminists who get on their "men are trash" soapbox but then indulge in masculinity that benefits them behind the scenes
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 07:35 PM
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Yeah but the unspoken subtext seems to be that even many feminist, progressive women love a traditional man in that sense
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 07:23 PM
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I'm guessing it means they want their man to be the more talkative one at a party, the one interacting with the technicians who come over to fix your internet/check your meter, the one investigating weird sounds at night (traditional gender role)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 07:18 PM
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and is socially and physically dominant
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 06:52 PM
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The Pareto principle predates OLD and most of the statistical observations were made from adequately large and robust sample sizes 80/20 is applicable in most sociological domains where people shoot for the "best" and work their way down. The numbers might not always be exact but there's typically a huge imbalance where a small proportion of the population gets an outsize share of attention/resources/success.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 05:33 PM
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Lol I see you're finally admitting you're not "friendly"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 05:19 PM
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I mean what's the alternative "Wook at mai fwends, it must be twue because my fwends awe wike dat!" Actual data > anecdata
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 05:16 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks Dillon Danis is the one looking more cringe from all of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 03:46 AM
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Apparently pitbulls never got the memo, those bad bois be one time thinkers
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 03:43 AM
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Isn't Greta Gerwig a feminist? I don't see why she would willingly alienate her tribe unless she was making fun of radical feminism from her safe liberal feminist position
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 02:53 AM
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Sorry I meant approaching and interacting with strangers, not bothering them after they've already said no. You're not entitled to expect strangers to "never approach me."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 12:24 AM
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People from non-Western countries must be confused at how much Americans hate their own country
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:48 PM
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No you're not, we live in a society
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:45 PM
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You're not wrong, but those compensating factors muddy the discussion about comparing men and women's looks standards alone. For instance, your social capital theory doesn't apply in a lot of situations. Like online dating and casual hookup type situations where, naturally, immediate judgment of your looks determines like 95% of the equation for success. And where saying something like "Oh I'm kind of a big deal in my small town" to a woman in a bar doesn't really mean squat if they're not from …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:09 PM
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Mom's spaghetti/10
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:08 PM
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Because the average guy isn't Post Malone famous, so it's not really meaningful as an example to compare the genders. Women have the potential to look past your looks, but that's more of a "finish line" assessment that assumes that average guys start out with celebrity status.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:04 PM
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Those women are attracted to Post Malone because he's Post Malone though, not necessarily because of his looks. You're adding in the fame/status variable that shouldn't be a part of this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:18 PM
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They're only 6% of the US population but then 18-25 men are also 6% of the population. So you're still dealing with low percentages anyway, unless like you seem to suggest people go for a partner from a different age group. But i doubt you would condone age gaps?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 05:14 AM
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In conversation a lot of their comments start with "I". Brb, referring to self in third person like Smeagol from now on
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:53 PM
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Take the...GATTACA pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:44 PM
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The problem is that normal ("bluepill") dating advice is saturated with platitudes like "stop looking for love and it will find you" and already successful people speaking dismissively from hindsight and survivorship bias about how it's "not that hard" to find your person. (Imagine if a guitar teacher told you "stop thinking about playing the guitar and you'll get better at it.") Also blue pillers tend to impose too many rules and err on the side of "don't do it if there's a chance you'll be mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:34 PM
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Can you give an example of an academic term people use to try to "sound smart" and the actual term they should use instead? I think a debate sub is a perfectly reasonable context to use academic terms
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:09 PM
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Well since we are debating the meaning of a word I thought your word choice was interesting After all, synonyms can have different connotations. They're not perfectly interchangeable
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 05:40 PM
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Kind of interesting how even you used a different word instead of "nice" to describe your mutual guy friends in relationships lol For the average guy I'm guessing "nice guy" means "if women had to describe you in one word they would call you 'nice'" A big part of it is miscommunication between the genders and women being afraid to give constructive criticism about how they actually meant the word as a euphemism for "boring and/or physically unremarkable"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 05:02 PM
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"Stop looking for love and it will find you" is a common platitude in dating discussions
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:27 AM
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Oh I see, that makes sense too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:18 AM
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Honestly I would prefer a bum who could speak perfect English as long as they could read from a script or just transfer me to a manager lol Answering "I'm sorry I didn't understand what you just said" a thousand times is painfully aggravating
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:12 AM
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I feel like companies hire customer service reps who couldn't speak intelligible English to save their own lives, just so customers will give up and stop complaining because they're literally unable to
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 02:59 AM
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They're also both done by women, the point is that women are primarily the victims of the first and men the victims of the second.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 02:44 AM
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IME female virgin shaming mostly happens among women (different women comparing their sexual history), as opposed to the comparatively less common inter-gender phenomenon of men actually mocking a woman because she has no experience. Of course it exists along with male slut shaming, but on a societal level men and women generally shame the other for being too sexually liberal and too sexually inexperienced, respectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:36 AM
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Slut shaming is a double standard weaponized against women, but virgin shaming and lack of experience is a double standard weaponized against men. So from an eagle-eye view the double standards "cancel out" and neither gender is spared from judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:14 AM
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Yeah thinking that "autism = screwed" seems kind of oversimplistic and black-pilley to me
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 12:08 AM
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Also for people who say misogyny is more normalized on Reddit than the reverse, can you name an MRA adjacent default sub that has 13 million subscribers?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 09:18 PM
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I think they're saying he's high value because he has something that people want (drugs)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 09:06 PM
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Smart means having or showing a high degree of mental ability. Being smart doesn't guarantee you have social skills or charisma, at all. Also, high levels of self awareness are a sign of great intelligence, you’re dumb if you’re not very self aware and socially inept people are not very self aware: Self-awareness is often correlated with intelligence, but they're not the same and independent of each other. This is a huge generalization
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 07:24 PM
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Being socially inept or lacking charisma doesn't make you're dumb. "Smart" is a specific trait related to intelligence. There's a difference between knowing and executing. I could be smart and know all the rules and best strategies for excelling at football, but if I'm weak and a poor runner then I won't be any good at football. That would just make me unathletic, not dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 07:13 PM
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I mean, the question of whether there IS even a loneliness problem specific to men seems like it's very controversial here, so that's more than enough for debate IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 07:06 PM
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Are you suggesting it's wrong to point out a problem that exists without having a particular solution in mind? A vast number of problems exist in our world today that we don't have solutions for, but awareness is the first step
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:58 PM
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The last few years of politics and culture have demonstrated that horseshoe theory is actually more real than people want to believe
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:26 PM
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Starting to look more and more like Black Myth Wukong isn't just vaporware and might actually be released Fingers crossed cause dayum this game looks SICK
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:06 AM
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It's not really affection if they want something you have
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:44 AM
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It's not just about how big they look, but also about how strong you assume they are compared to you. Manny Pacquiao isn't very tall and doesn't look intimidating outside of a boxing ring, but I'm sure there are a lot of bigger guys who would be afraid to start a fight with him if they were untrained and knew who he was.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 07:15 PM
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They're trying to highlight the size difference/danger aspect, so a closer equivalent of women receiving unwanted attention from average men would be like short, skinny guys who are attracted to big women twice their size receiving unwanted attention from particular big women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 06:52 PM
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Just because you want something doesn't mean you're able to get that thing, people often make do to survive or until they're in a better position to acquire what they want
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 06:18 PM
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Take the mukbang pill
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 06:05 PM
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Well the voting thing is relevant, you have to consider all the ramifications. I just thing the semantic label is dumb because people are selective about it, if one honestly believes 18 year olds aren't real adults then they should be called "future adults in training" or just adolescents. And one shouldn't be offended by 18 year olds being called "girls" in a feminist or professional context. "Adult" is by definition supposed to describe the end state of being fully developed and old enough to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 06:01 PM
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Exactly, body shaming is dumb not least because you're also shaming decent people who happen to look like the bad person in question. Aside from the friendly fire aspect, you're basically telling your non-conventionally attractive friends that your good feelings towards them are hanging by a thread, and that it would merely take them making a single mistake to trigger you to open the floodgates of attacking their looks as well out of anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 05:47 PM
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I can respect that argument, at least you'd be consistent
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 05:36 PM
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People who believe this need to stick to their principles on the whole brain development thing and oppose the idea of giving the vote to new adults with no life experience until they turn 25. None of this picking and choosing business, barely legal 18 year olds should not be voting!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 05:26 PM
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Helps you understand the gay repression theme I was referring to
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 03:07 AM
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Lol it helps if you watch the episode
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 02:35 AM
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I'm making fun of straight guys who act out borderline gay shit and then vehemently affirm that they're straight dudebros while mocking the target of said homophobic act Ex: guy who falls asleep first and gets dicks drawn on his face by totally straight buddies, guy who happens to be eating a banana, guy who dies first in a game and gets teabagged
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 02:21 AM
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I agree, especially if that woman is your guy friend who you're totally platonic with and only does the teabag motion on your character's face because he's "bored"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 02:11 AM
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"Bro no homo, it's just a game"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 02:03 AM
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Yeah but that doesn't mean they don't recognize that they might be one Calling yourself alpha would be pretty immodest and cringe, so it's an L either way lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 01:39 AM
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Beta bux isn't always an insult, it's like a normie calling themselves "broke" in a half-humorous, self-aware kind of way
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 01:36 AM
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Just because the deception is easier to uncover doesn't mean the intent was less manipulative. That's like saying your spouse cheating on you is more forgivable if they're a bad liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 10:09 PM
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Angles that aren't too extreme are fine IMO because the camera lens distorts your face, and "old photos" is kind of subjective depending on how much you've actually visibly aged. But agreed on everything else in the list.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 09:48 PM
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There are countless "who needs men anyways" threads on the internet that I think the genders are about even at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 09:43 PM
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work. school. church. classes/clubs (like art classes or book clubs or some choir or orchestra group, etc.) the reason is that new people are risky. These places allow more time for people to get familiar with each other without committing. Familiar environments can be just as risky because you risk destroying the dynamic of the group or developing a reputation, plus on top of that there's no easy exit strategy. Especially work, that's a monumentally bad idea most of the time unless you're worki…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 06:27 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 12:58 AM
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I was being sarcastic but I guess it's not always easy to tell on the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 12:30 AM
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"But doctor, I am Pagliacci"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 12:28 AM
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Yeah I know, I was just making a lame joke
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:22 PM
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No that can't be right Destiny is a girl's name
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:16 PM
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There's nothing more dangerous than a weak man with power
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:04 PM
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It probably doesn't help that a lot of women give overly vague or snarky answers like "It's because you don't leave the house" or "It's because you don't talk to people" That's like someone asking how to shoot a 3 pointer and you saying "Maybe buy a basketball first"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 08:53 PM
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And if you don't have wealth, height/looks, status, you won't be getting any attention from modern women. I think they mean that you won't stand out or get positive attention just by existing, unlike an attractive or ostentatious man. You have to take risks and jump through hoops to step out of "NPC invisibility" and convince women of your value. That said Fresh and Fit tend to overgeneralize in a lot of the statements they make, but they do have a point in saying that the average guy is likely …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 07:51 PM
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I mean that average looking men with mild autism aren't necessarily shut out of the dating game, they might have a harder time with getting into and keeping an LTR though
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:50 PM
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Even autism is a scale though, it can be mild or debilitating
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:40 PM
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It's not where you are, it's who you are
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:18 PM
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So, moving shit? Which happens, how frequently? That man you hired must be tired from helping you move those goalposts
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:54 AM
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Right...so the obvious answer to your unserious question is that the benefit of a man in your life is not having to pay your bf to help move shit for you Ask for help or pay for a service A service that is overwhelmingly performed by men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:46 AM
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That was a half-joke, I'm just matching your energy Icy But I guess you're just gonna ignore the part about moving heavy things
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:35 AM
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Yeah sure it was good, from a certain point of view
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:09 AM
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somewhere around 6 facially The cheerleader effect is immediate so if even that doesn't work then they're probably not elite* \in my subjective opinion)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:59 AM
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What life tasks require physical strength that women don't have? Tasks like moving heavy things? I don't know why you're trying to argue physical equality on this point They can't carry rejection Lol good one, here's hoping you summon all your emotional strength to open a jar next time
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:41 AM
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What exactly are modern men bringing to the table? I'm guessing they're the ones bringing the table, like actually carrying it How are they biologically capable of bringing something different than I can bring myself? They can perform tasks requiring physical strength. Unless you happen to be an elite female weightlifter or something
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:19 AM
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Yes, her goal is to help him manage anxiety. You can't manage anxiety if you play it safe and avoid situations and actions that might trigger it, that's just masking the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:45 PM
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And again, they're not credentialed to give this kind of dating advice Unlike immunology, dating is not a science. You can't just tell your patient "don't do this" as a one-size-fits-all prescription. On top of telling them to avoid doing something because they're afraid of a negative reaction, that's unhelpful
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:29 PM
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And we've just circled back to the authority point again, so I'm just going to disagree and refer you to my previous comments
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:10 PM
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She's not giving dating advice, she's giving advice on how to manage his anxiety in common social situations Yes, common dating situations. And she's advising him to actually not do certain things in order to avoid anxiety, like not asking for the woman's number because you can come off as too demanding or direct. Which is bad advice because as someone with anxiety you're supposed to face your fears, not 1) mind read people's reception to you, 2) predict their future reactions, or 3) catastrophi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:06 PM
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Yes I said their current psychologist is giving uninformed and unhelpful dating advice and should stop giving dating advice. Because guess what, psychologists aren't trained to give dating advice either, at least not by prescribing rules or taking sides. So really you're just saying I'm less qualified than an expert on a topic neither of us have expertise in.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:40 PM
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Telling someone that their doctor might be giving unhelpful or harmful advice is not telling them to do the exact opposite of what the doctor suggests, it's telling them to consider a second opinion (professional or otherwise). By your logic no one could ever rate their doctors or report ethical violations or give a recommendation based on their experience (for or against) because they're not themselves a doctor, which goes against common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:26 PM
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That's just appeal to authority fallacy. Just because someone is trained to be a doctor, for instance, doesn't mean they're a good doctor. Any one with experience as a patient knows this, with or without a medical degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:07 PM
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It's almost like I'm leaving open the possibility of ignorance instead of malice. At best it's unhelpful, at worst it's strategic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:59 PM
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Your psychologist is giving you anti-anxiety advice and dating advice that are contradictory to each other. It seems like she has a conflict of interest because on the one hand she's supposed to help you overcome fear through exposure therapy and not care so much about what other people think, and yet on the other hand as a woman it seems like she wants you to do that on her terms and in a manner that's favorable to women in the dating game. She should not be giving dating advice, at least not w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:49 PM
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If your psychologist was giving you mechanisms to not be as anxious, or understand why you are anxious, and what is causing it, that would be valid. But it seems your psychologist is giving you dating advice, and not good advice either. Holy crap you're absolutely right That psychologist is giving OP anti-anxiety advice and dating advice that are contradictory to each other. It's almost like she has a conflict of interest because on the one hand she wants to help him not care so much about what …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:45 PM
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I'd say of your able to talk to someone for longer than 15 minutes without them wanting to leave, then they're probably pretty okay with you giving them your number. Don't Wait til the very last second of you're interaction to give someone your number. There's pros and cons to this. If they're stuck with you on a flight or some other environment without an immediate exit strategy then it's better to wait until the end instead of making things awkward 15 minutes into a potentially several hour in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:34 PM
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because ultimately it just makes things worse for kids who had no say in any of it and need looking after. You're not wrong, but I don't think this is an argument you can honestly defend if you also happen to be pro-choice
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:05 PM
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You can "just be yourself" but the further away from conventionally attractive and conventionally sociable you are then the more you have to compensate for your level of perceived quality on the dating market with quantity. Meaning you have to interact with a high enough volume of women, whether through warm or cold approaches, such that statistically you meet that small percentage of women who you're interested in and are interested in you back and where you don't screw up the interaction. So p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:54 AM
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Everyone knows the key to running a successful cult is to offer a promise of salvation that isn't easily falsifiable. Life after death, locking down that successful 7 figure man ("thanks to this subreddit"), etc. If you define a "high-value man" to only apply to <0.1% of the male population then you can guarantee an endless stream of content complaining about not being able to find one, while blaming the vast majority of men for not meeting your sky-high standards. The resulting constant drama p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:36 AM
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I don't think it's "life" just your logic lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:17 AM
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How can it be subjective and objective at the same time, that doesn't make sense
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:15 AM
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Just because a woman prefers a man with a full head of hair doesn't mean she'll divorce him when he starts going bald. Same with men and youthful looking women, even loyal people tend to choose the best they can get and hope they age well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:51 PM
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half open relationship That alone brings it down to a very small percentage, they make no bones about only successful men being able to pull this off. Also I doubt the RP personalities advocating for this kind of relationship are concerned about "intellectually stimulating conversations." They'd favor women who are seen but not heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:12 PM
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2.3 is an average based on a self-reported Facebook sample of 30,000 couples, taken to represent a population of 300+ million. So assuming there's no reporting bias (assuming people in large age gaps aren't embarrassed to make their relationship status public on Facebook, which is a big if), by rough approximation that's the age difference one might reasonably expect if they made average income, around $30,000 USD. Since you'd expect your potential age gap to increase the more income you earn, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:07 AM
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They get mad when people correct "all men" or "why do men" type statements. And typically side with OP over the man in the story by default, even when there are other reasonable explanations besides him being malicious (Occam's razor). And the women who offer heterodox opinions get downvoted. So yeah they're pretty damn close
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 05:13 PM
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"I noticed your height range doesn't also equally extend to guys 6 inches shorter than you, interesting..."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 05:03 PM
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Well of course, because there's more than one of them! *ba-dum-tss*
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 04:51 PM
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People make way too many exceptions for which age gaps they do or don't care about for me to take their arguments seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 04:49 PM
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Lol of course someone gets pissy when the man respectfully expresses an age preference (that's not even that extreme) "40 year old men who only date 30-35 year olds show who they REALLY are" tf outta here ya kooky Karen
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 04:37 PM
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Whatever age a feminist would be offended by a man calling her a "girl" in a non-dating context Or, alternatively, whatever age you think people are mature enough to vote
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:09 AM
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"Probably just sugar babies" is like the one age-related blackpill that a lot of women here are perfectly content with perpetuating, and totally blind to the fact that they perpetuate it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 11:12 PM
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Because there's a physical power imbalance that can be exploited by the taller and stronger man to abuse the woman Because men only prefer petite women since they know women their size won't put up with their BS
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 10:59 PM
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In theory if it's actually identical to how you look at your best then that's fine, but that's not always the case. Also why not just take a picture of yourself without makeup on a good day instead lol For transparency's sake I think one should post pics of themselves with and without makeup anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 06:43 PM
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Putting up your best photos is fine IMO because those are still you, but yeah what you suggested is a good strategy for finding people who are attracted to you at your "worst" so every other day will exceed expectations
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 06:27 PM
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You can groom yourself and pick your best picture without it being a misrepresentation, the difference with makeup is that it doesn't grow on your face naturally so it's quite literally an artificial layer that you wash off. Not saying that wearing makeup isn't motivated by social pressure or low self-esteem, that's understandable. But it is still a misrepresentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 06:10 PM
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Not showing a part of your body or using different angles isn't lying, it's more like an omission. But using makeup is misrepresenting yourself to a degree, at least as much as using a filter would be
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 05:29 PM
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Make sure he takes his shoes off too so he can't sneak that extra inch on you!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 03:18 AM
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Makes sense. Whenever I see a tall guy with a short girlfriend I always assume he specifically picked her so he could dominate her physically and that she had a measuring tape on her to make sure he was tall enough when they first met. Also whenever I see a mixed race couple I assume they have an unhealthy fetish for each other's race no matter what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 02:26 AM
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Thanks for reminding me I forgot about her! She was definitely one of the voices of reason on the most controversial topics here with her nuanced takes, and about as impartial a judge as I can think of.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:29 PM
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the middle number is actually her identity
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 08:20 PM
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Which still seems like a half-measure. The replacement rate is around 2.1 or 2.2
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 06:38 PM
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Agreed, assuming the man is following common sense (no dark alleys, stalking), asking respectfully and taking no for an answer. In fact it's entitlement to expect men to make the first move and then stigmatize them for awkwardly doing the thing that you neither have the social obligation nor the need to get better at yourself but still benefit from. That's trying to have your cake and eat it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 09:47 PM
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most of them just want a guy taller than them ...with heels on, and would still prefer the taller guy among two options, all other things being equal
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 09:32 PM
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"Therefore all short guys must have the same rate of success as my anecdotal examples"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 09:18 PM
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Most girls have height requirements so yeah I'd imagine that'd be fairly upsetting
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 09:16 PM
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Almost looks like odds vs. evens lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 08:52 PM
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Exactly, voluntarily redoing the same task beyond the point of diminishing returns shouldn't count as the other person "not wanting to do an equal amount of work"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 08:23 PM
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He’s 5‘6 and over, but still insist that his height is the reason why women don’t like him. That's not an unreasonable assumption, 5'6 is below average height. Change that to 5'10 and you might have a point. The thing is a lot of women would already consider him low-tier at first glance anyway regardless of what he thought lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 08:03 PM
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What gets ignored in the "calculate how many hours men and women do housework" conversation is that there are easier but more frequent chores and there are physically demanding, technical tasks that come up less often. The latter gets undervalued and contributes to the illusion that men don't pull their weight. Also if only one person is working then the chores shouldn't be divided 50/50
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 07:32 PM
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That's not how genetics works The woman is still short Also two tall people can have short kids
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 05:12 PM
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Well I say that because a lot of people will give guys advice like "fix yourself first" or "stop obsessing about dating," which easily leads to that mentality
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 04:56 PM
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True but you still have to actively be in the mindset of shooting your shot and taking chances during that time or else you're just letting opportunities pass you by and letting your skills turn stale. The whole "do it for yourself" and "stop looking for love and it will find you" mentality is kind of misleading for men because it can encourage passivity and give guys the wrong impression that women will somehow initiate and start making moves on you post-improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 04:47 PM
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How are conservative men stereotypically simpy? Conservatives believe the man is the head of the household and tradition dictates that the woman follow his lead
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:47 AM
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The wall rhetoric is dumb but it's probably guys with a specific preference for softer facial features noticing how a lot of female celebrities will lean into the buccal fat surgery/sunken cheeks look, or the short hair feminist girlboss look right around their mid to late 20s. A lot of times it seems like an intentional stylistic or political choice, but to the extent that they're just aging naturally that way it is unfortunate how they get looks shamed. It's like the female version of "twink d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 05:48 AM
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Yeah I think it's a combination of factors: personal taste, cultural messaging, biological tendencies, etc. Of course the proportional influence of each factor is going to differ depending on the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:36 AM
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I also hate that all of our politics is just based on votes. Me too but unfortunately that's the nature of democracy and modern politics, every issue is polarized and social media doesn't help. Maybe there will be a cooling off period when people get tired of the fighting, or they find an external enemy to unite against. Trust me when I say even the people who just got over here are mad conservative and are even trump supporters. Yeah I've heard about those trends
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:19 AM
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TRP's limitation is that it's fairly Western society-centric, so the details might differ in other countries' equivalent ideologies. But I'm sure if you look at the underlying behavioral principles they share a lot of commonalities. Guy makes first move, confidence is key, "bad boys" are more attractive, preselection can motivate women to try harder for your attention, etc. Even for K-pop guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:58 AM
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I think the reality that some people are afraid to say is at a certain point on the (un)attractiveness scale, the best advice is just to no longer expect to find a relationship and plan on a life alone. People tend to prescribe dating advice with the average person in mind. So the average guy who works on career, fitness, and confidence over time is going to be in a better position at the end of that period of improvement. That's just the nature of what it means to improve. For any skill you wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:50 AM
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Well because sincerely caring would go against your values and risk splintering your party Republicans don't support Hispanic people as much as they should because even though Hispanic immigrants tend to be religious they probably disagree on other issues
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:38 AM
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Nope The irony of politics is that nominally making yourself a "big tent" party and pretending to care about the issues that your opponent's supporters face takes wind out of their sails and can even grant you political longevity. If Democrats paid lip service to white men and Republicans pretended to support more immigration for Latinos (while doing the bare minimum) then they would probably capture a greater share of the electorate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:24 AM
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I don't think biological preferences are completely discounted though, women in those countries still prefer men who are taller and stronger than themselves, just maybe not at the same standards as Western countries. Even in East Asia evo psych is still operative in relative terms, if not absolute terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:55 AM
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Because sexual preferences have biological and cultural components to them. In countries like Japan most women hate beards on men because they look "unkempt" or "dirty." Also most Japanese women prefer thinner men with some definition instead of muscular guys who look like they work out. So Japanese men adapt by wearing stylish, fitted clothing and get layered anime haircuts that would seem like trying too hard in Western cultures. For K-pop it's similar except Korean women are fine with muscula…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:08 AM
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-Men no longer have to pay. In todays society men are not expected to pay for everything for women. Just because a society is equal on paper does not mean the the cultural conditions and traditional expectations that have existed for centuries don't favor one side or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 11:51 PM
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If there's no manipulative intent then having a physical preference is neither morally right or wrong, it's just superficial. As long as you don't insult people who don't fit your preferences, attraction is mostly involuntary. People shouldn't lower their standards just because strangers aren't okay with them. There aren't that many convincing moral arguments about why a 5 year age gap is cool but not a 10 or 20 year gap that doesn't rely on subjective markers of "what feels right" or cultural s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 11:40 PM
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I see, glad it worked out for you. But I think OP's main point about women not making the first move still stands, generally speaking. Since even in your case you were the one to initiate hanging out with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:41 PM
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I just had a woman pay for a date this weekend? Did she make the first move and approach you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:30 PM
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Public speaking is structured and prepared, while flirting is unstructured and on the spot. So ideally the class would also need to include some sort of judgment-free improv component where guys can practice being funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:24 PM
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It'd be like a more socially acceptable cross between a public speaking training and a pickup bootcamp, with lecture and practical application components. It'd probably work better in a community class setting with random people than a small high school environment though
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:07 PM
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Yeah they don't teach you directly though, you're kinda forced to experiment on your own time without guidance
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 09:51 PM
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Not dating skills though. General social skills are about getting along with people, dating and flirting involves taking risks and possibly offending people (because your goals might be at odds with one another).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 09:38 PM
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Exactly, the women who say don't approach are also expressing their personal opinions
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 09:32 PM
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To use an example from the other side, a lot of women don't want to date men their age with little relationship or sexual experience because they refuse to have to "teach" them. So it's not necessarily a moral condemnation but a lack of compatibility due to mismatch of experiential or developmental levels in the specific area of concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:40 PM
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Exactly, so in your example it would be unfair of your ex to assume he's doing 5 times the amount of work that you do performing the same task 5 times more efficiently. Of course that applies in the direction of the less competent person making an assumption about the more skilled person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:37 PM
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Sure, or level of experience generally
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:29 PM
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It's relevant in the sense that men fixing things around the house is often undervalued because they "take less time" or involve fewer tasks numerically (depending on how you define an independent task). For instance, if your husband takes an hour to fix the sink (vs. you taking 2 hours to clean the house) then it would be a mistake to assume that you did twice the amount of work that day. The actual value of his labor (to you) is the amount of time it would take you to fix the sink with your le…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:24 PM
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Maybe not right away on the first date, but compatibility in that regard is important for a lot of people. It's a question one might eventually ask along with something like relationship history. Besides, everything you ask on a date is potentially judgmental. Not in the sense of "oh you're a bad person," but in the sense that you're trying to weed out people who aren't compatible with you. It doesn't have to be about slut shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:16 PM
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Why not ask, "when was the last time you were tested for STIs?" Sure you can ask that as well, but if the answer isn't satisfactory then naturally you're going to wonder about the number. It's not wrong to ask these questions, just don't jump to moral conclusions. What? Having sex prior doesn't mean someone can't form an attachment. It's not a guarantee of course, but people's preferences are often subconsciously reinforced by statistical correlations, whether or not they're true for the individ…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:08 PM
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From a practical standpoint the most obvious reason would be likelihood of STIs From an emotional standpoint it would (arguably) be about likelihood of attachment to you compared to exes From a moral standpoint I personally don't care
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:59 PM
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The biggest flaw I see in the "hours spent" measurement is that the length of time you take to complete a task isn't very meaningful in indicating the importance of the task or the importance of your skill in that task. For example, it's a common illusion that the plumber who takes 20 minutes to fix your pipes is somehow ripping you off for charging you the same amount as a plumber who takes 3 hours of your time. In fact the first guy is more skilled because he can complete the task quicker.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:44 PM
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Pretty privilege
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:55 PM
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You're proving my point, plenty of women would disagree with you that approaching them in a grocery store or while she's trapped on a bus would somehow be acceptable. Especially Gen Z and especially the public transportation thing because you're not supposed to approach a woman where she has no exit strategy. And all that is just your opinion. You don't and can't speak for all women, that's the point. Taking risks and failing is pathologized as being creepy nowadays, instead of just the necessar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:46 PM
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The majority of men have to act exceptional in dating to get results, what that means is you have to risk breaking rules and causing offense to be successful
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:42 PM
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Approach women in safe public spaces that are appropriate. This isn't brain surgery. What also isn't brain surgery is that different women have different opinions on which spaces are "appropriate," so even if you wrote out a detailed list your advice is only meaningful to the extent that guys will be able to spot a random woman in public and somehow magically know that she's actually "Stunning-Potato-1984" in order to respect your personal preference in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:35 PM
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Normally you can kinda tell but I've definitely seen some transformations, like you can contour your jawline and stuff. Also beyond bone structure you can cover up blemishes. But yeah with average skill you're usually talking about maybe a 1-2 point improvement. Which isn't a huge deal at the extremes but still makes a difference in the middle range.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:06 PM
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Yeah the type thing can be about looks but also the niche hobby/talent thing I mentioned
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:58 PM
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Oh I forgot, it also makes a difference whether your concept of leagues is calibrated to how women look in public with makeup on
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:55 PM
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The strictest definition IMO is that a league is the best you can get just based on your looks alone. So generally your league is within a point of your own, except maybe at the 6/7 border where psychologically people who identify as 7s will tend to date up instead of down. But that's BEFORE taking into account everything besides looks. For guys it's not the whole picture because sense of humor + confidence is a huge part of success (or failure if you lack those things). As well as your niche en…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:49 PM
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Having a prestigious career like being a doctor can definitely assist your dating life, and doctors aren't filthy rich either. Even being an programmer sets you apart career-wise (assuming you make industry median), that gives you a 6-figure leg up on the average dude in the dating game.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:41 PM
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What do you mean by less common?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:31 PM
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I see, but it also sounds like it's not entirely that you got less attention necessarily, but that you raised your standards and perhaps shifted your focus away from the hookups in your 20s so that your new definition of "success" is more stringent. Naturally if you make more money then you're going to be more wary of "gold diggers" and risk interpreting enthusiasm as a false positive you wouldn't otherwise have when you were broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:23 PM
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If you have money then you'll probably be dressed nice, driving a nice car, hanging out in nice places. You'll talk about the nice places you vacation, your nice and well-paying career, and all the nice things you do. If you have a shit ton of money then the parties you and these women go to will be exclusive for rich people with shit tons of money and access. Obviously no one will "know" unless you willingly advertise it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:15 PM
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You had better luck when you weren't making MID 6 figures? Unless you were a male model in your 20s that seems almost incredible to me that you're having less success now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:02 PM
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I never understood that logic. If your partner loves you for your looks then it's equally shallow because you'll eventually lose your looks
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 04:49 PM
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How can women be real if our eyes aren't real?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:11 AM
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He's IShowMeat now, apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 02:11 AM
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Yeah but at least that's a public environment. Obviously we can't just segregate every public venue that's mixed gender
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:42 AM
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Those photos should be an encouragement to the men on here to wear tighter shirts work out and then wear tighter shirts Tight clothing on a skinny fat body can backfire pretty easily
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:38 AM
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The bathroom thing is actual risk of physical danger though Segregating chess would be like segregating STEM classes in university
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:30 AM
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It's not "old" but it's definitely older if you're college age
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:28 AM
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I meant she hates older guys so for her it'd be like dating a 100 year old
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:21 AM
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Right that makes it even worse for her
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:12 AM
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The internet
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 12:57 AM
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You know he's like twice your age right lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 12:52 AM
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They did mention other studies suggested you could decrease spatial ability differences between the sexes with practice, which is what you'd expect (since it's different from physical ability where you're limited by muscle mass). But then again they did note that SA differences persisted even at the expert level, so I dunno. Those experimental results are gonna be really controversial if they're replicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:58 PM
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Sure but is it necessary? Like we don't segregate college just to encourage more women to go to college, plus it's a mental game
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:32 PM
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Are they really though? That seems like a very extraordinary claim
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:30 PM
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Why is chess even sex-segregated
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:12 PM
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The Lord is my Homie
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 10:39 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/15s80d4/comment/jwgmh88/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:53 PM
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Whatever else you think o f the generalization, IS IT TRUE? For some people yes, for others no. That's why they're less helpful the closer you get to a technical majority (51% true). Nowhere did I say anything about drawing moral conclusions about anyone. I wasn't accusing you or anything, just expounding on my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:42 PM
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Generalities can save you time but the problem with them is that they're a double edged sword and walk the line between innocuous statements and bigoted ones. Talking about preferences leans more on the innocuous side, but once you start making unqualified moral conclusions about people (based on their preferences let's say) that's where it gets dicey.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:31 PM
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There's definitely more than a few women here who seem to believe they're experts on men. Otherwise they wouldn't make universal claims with the confidence of having met every man or even the majority of men said claims are directed towards.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:28 PM
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It's because it's a response that doesn't add anything to the conversation. If there's an incident of a black or Muslim person committing a crime then saying "not all black people"/"not all Muslim people" is almost the necessary thing to do to fight back against a generalization that can lead people to bigoted thinking. Same with men. It's like "All lives matter!" as a response to "black lives matter", it's pedantry over semantics that doesn't add anything. This analogy makes absolutely no sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:06 PM
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That's a good one
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 04:23 AM
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Like smoking a skunk that makes you feel funny
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 04:22 AM
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Lol that guy's not "average" though, he's a minor celebrity with money I'm sure. He probably wouldn't be pulling Ariana Grande with his personality if he were a nobody.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 03:59 AM
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You mean God?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 11:08 PM
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But those responses come afterwards, they don't justify the inaccurate answers made beforehand. If you suspect that men won't believe you then why would you attempt to give an incomplete answer, either be truthful or just refuse to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 10:59 PM
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Try going to suburban Dallas or rural Indiana and claiming that liberals are "effectively conservative" and you'll get a lot of weird looks at best... Sure but people in rural Indiana aren't the ones dominating social media and entertainment industry discourse, they happen to be the ones mocked in cinema and on sites like Twitter and TikTok.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 10:54 PM
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Because people would rather blame individuals for their own problems/assume people have some moral deficit that causes their problems But that doesn't explain why many people who are specifically left-leaning and recognize that poor minorities are screwed over by the system (and not because they're lazy or bad people) will then turn around and tell men to "pull themselves up by the bootstraps" when it comes to the topic of dating specifically. I think there's an additional element of prejudice a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 10:51 PM
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"Q4W: What do you find attractive in a man?"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:14 PM
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Is it any surprise that the rise of online dating as the most common way that couples meet coincides with reported rising levels of loneliness among both sexes?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 07:56 PM
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How is asking a person what they find attractive an irrational or illogical question? That's the most straightforward thing you can ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 07:54 PM
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Free market, free speech, fiscally conservative, socially liberal?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:59 PM
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Right so people should just be honest and say "we want to protect <25 year olds from predators and our dating competition," instead of making universal claims about power dynamics that are in principle supposed to apply consistently regardless of age.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:52 PM
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I actually think a better litmus test is if it works for the statistical "average" person, or slightly above/below, since that's where most people actually fall. What I mean by universally helpful is that even an ugly person can follow the advice and not have to say "Thanks for nothing, this hasn't helped at all" But yeah, advice for average people is going to reach a broader audience than advice that already assumes you're their physical type
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:49 PM
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The Overton window has shifted such that being a moderate or a centrist just means you're "embarrassed to admit you're a conservative." Because it's often framed in relation to the most ideologically pure leftist position. Hell, even liberals are considered conservatives by progressives a lot of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:46 PM
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Nobody cares about a 7-year gap at 40. Which kind of makes all the "anti-" arguments seem insincere. So suddenly power dynamics and different life stages don't exist after 30 or whatever? If you're 40 and dating a 55 year old man then he was already in high school when you were just a baby!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:43 PM
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In fact the opposite might be true, since young men are the most violent group of the population. Yeah no one mentions the fact that crime rates are disproportionately high among young men below 25 when it comes to "potential for abuse" in the age gap discussion. Also that makes the strength/height gap between men and women in heterosexual couples even more relevant, but that cognitive dissonance is so strong and people love their height/size preferences so much that no one is ready to have that…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:38 PM
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Nah, female beauty standards are also unrealistic in terms of mutability and affect women more fundamentally. Being thin is easier than being muscular, but women aren't solely expected to be thin to be pretty. Women are also expected to age well (which you can't always control), not to mention they're judged on fewer variables other than looks so there's less alternatives to compensate for being considered less than a 7 in terms of physical attractiveness. Whereas men can make up for looking unr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:29 PM
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Yep the short answer is apex fallacy. A good litmus test for whether a piece of advice is actually universal enough to be helpful, is to imagine you're about to give the advice to the ugliest person of the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:23 PM
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The OP isn't about women not knowing what they want, it's about women not accurately articulating what they want. If the idea is that women aren't obligated to instruct men, then why even answer those questions in the first place? Just don't respond instead of giving a wrong or deceptive answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:19 PM
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This is why filters in online dating apps are counter-productive a lot of the time: because they don't take into account how someone could potentially make you feel outside of numbers and stats on paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:17 PM
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He's talking about individual women being consistent with their own preferences and describing them accurately, rather than different women obviously having different preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:14 PM
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The unspoken subtext being that taller, more handsome men are by an alternate definition "better men" in her mind so she's speaking the truth based on a technicality that's impossible to achieve On a related note, I'm starting to think that e-thots virtue signaling about gender issues isn't them being hypocritical, but rather them shamelessly promoting their content on a platform like Twitter in the most effective way possible: wokebaiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:47 PM
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"Don't approach anywhere there are no witnesses or satellite imagery" seems like the common sense consensus. Anywhere else is probably going to be subjective and dependent on personal boundaries you can't really predict.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:20 PM
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Lmao that's perfect how has no one thought of incelles before
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:01 PM
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You can actually meditate in your sleep. It's hard to tell when you've done it right but apparently you know you're doing it wrong if you dream
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 08:15 PM
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Sure I'm not saying the stats are numerically wrong. Just that the correlation isn't really saying much IMO. Again that seems to me more like a consequence of defining the 18-29 time frame. Also what proportion of people are actually getting married at 18 for that age cohort's statistics to be equally meaningful? The average age of marriage is at least late 20s for most industrialized countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 06:04 PM
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Men cheat more, the only age group with the opposite numbers are people between 18-29, but the difference is 1% while for older age groups it can almost double with men cheating more than women. I'm not sure that that's a very instructive statistic on men somehow being more disloyal by nature. In fact the numbers and the timelines make sense, women have more power in the dating market between 18-29 when they're young generally speaking so they have more "extramarital options" during that time, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:50 PM
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In theory sure, but this would work a lot better with example pictures. Your description is way too subjective
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:43 PM
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That's not really the point though. There's a misconception that being skinny is enough for women to be considered desirable. Saying that women need only be pretty and are born with value (as opposed to men who must create value) is a moot point if you're a woman who doesn't happen to be genetically lucky, and a lot of dating conversations that reference "women" are just apex fallacy arguments with "attractive women" in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:38 PM
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It's no secret that Asian men are discriminated against in the culture and in dating in terms of emasculating stereotypes. So while OP's wording is kind of weird they do have a point about the perception of hyper competitiveness and the odds that Asian guys face in the dating game against societal bigotry. It's the reverse of what a lot of black women face when they complain about white women "taking all our good black men." The bitterness often comes from actually being victimized by cultural s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:26 PM
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Yeah the terrible dynamic range in a lot of movies doesn't help either, like you'll have super loud action sequences followed by whisper quiet dialogue
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 01:18 AM
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Not all mullets are created equal There's the textured and layered style that isn't too bad and then there's the dead raccoon look
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:36 AM
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Insects are often the best wingmen (heh)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:19 AM
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Feels like I've been spoiled by subtitles because now anytime I'm watching a movie without them I miss a lot of words here and there
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 11:56 PM
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They're eager to impart knowledge and share their interests with you, but are often uninterested in receiving any of that from you. Not in my experience, older people are more likely to be interested in youth culture than vice versa, because youth culture is cool culture and always relevant. Sports is about watching young athletes perform, social media, fashion, and cultural trends are dominated by young people, entertainment features mostly young people. Also someone younger than you might have…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 11:33 PM
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Depends on your definition of cold approach, there's not really an overwhelming consensus on where it's fine to approach
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 11:27 PM
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Do you mean they literally stop you on the street and open with a remark about your looks? Or do they start a conversation more organically like you're both waiting at some place and he says something relevant to the environment? The first one is kind of odd and the second is more normal
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 11:03 PM
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Tfw your plate is a wheel of cheese
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 07:21 PM
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Yeah I can see the appeal for both sides Shared cultural references? The fun is in the relatability Different cultural references? The fun is in discovering new things But shared values is most important IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:58 PM
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That specific argument is meaningless though. I dated a foreign girl my age once and despite us both speaking English I knew next to nothing about pop culture in her country lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:55 PM
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I mean Mexican music is dope, so it's probably just that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:46 PM
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"Fellas, you ever catch your woman just lookin at ya, but not saying nothin?"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:40 PM
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"Fellas, you ever catch your woman just lookin at ya, but not saying nothin?"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:38 PM
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Lol nah one of the most common "arguments" people bring up against age gaps is "but muh pop culture references!!!1" I say "argument" in quotes because it's like, yeah sometimes that's the case, but do you not realize you're also shitting on...same age inter-cultural and interracial relationships as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:33 PM
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The difference beetween male standards for beauty and female standards is mutability almost all women can become sex goddesses to like 40% of men That's just an exaggeration, there are plenty of women with unfortunate facial structure. Framing the dating conversation as though "women" = attractive women must be endlessly frustrating for the ones who aren't genetically lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:05 PM
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If you're asking why as in the logical reason, then obviously people treat attractive people better because they're visually pleasant to be around. If you're asking philosophically "Do attractive people deserve to be treated better just because the person finds them attractive" then obviously not. I’m not a 19 year old Instagram model I'm curious why you specified the age in setting up the female version of Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 05:54 PM
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I changed the wording before you replied, that's my personal expectation and the expectation of most guys who at most might get frustrated at dating when it's hard (as is expected) but don't funnel their frustration into exclusively blaming women. While there is something to be said about bias in media representation, peer pressure, as well as online dating algorithms artificially influencing women's preferences, as long as people keep an open mind with flexible standards and recognize that some…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 04:36 AM
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There is no reason for a woman to settle for someone she's not attracted to. Just don't be a hypocrite and shame or moralize about men having preferences they're attracted to, that's all we really ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 04:16 AM
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Like agoraphobic shut-ins?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:20 AM
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Sure, but there's a pretty big gap between "a lot harder" and "basically impossible"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:12 AM
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Are you saying it's basically impossible to make new friends outside of school? Definitely not true IME and kind of hyperbolic. Also the internet makes it somewhat easier. Platforms like Discord offer real-time text and voice chat centered around shared hobbies and communities. It's like an intermediate between regular social media and real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:02 AM
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You're making the assumption that women with a certain trait prefer men who share the same trait, instead of men who have the opposite of that trait (because human beings and opposite sex attraction triggers are largely dimorphic). That's like thinking short women generally prefer men their height because they're more "compatible" that way. There are many introverted women who prefer an outgoing man who can take charge in social situations and compensate for the deficiency, rather than date a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 07:06 PM
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The beer is supposed to help with the shyness
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:36 AM
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So go for the 40% of women who don't? Again the 40% figure breaks down into the 25% who actually want guys close to 6 feet. And the remaining 15% who would actually accept 5'8" guys says nothing about the percent who are happy with 5'6" guys, etc etc. Why focus on a small percentage of women? Agreed, that's the one attitude that won't spiral you into depression. But my point was that women have physical standards beyond "cook and be nice"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 06:29 PM
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"Taller than me" is a height requirement. A relative height requirement is still a minimum standard. Even if we're talking about absolute height requirements, there's enough women who filter out guys < 6 ft on dating apps for it to be a common phenomenon. On Bumble it's something like 60% of women want 6 feet tall guys, and only 15% of women want men < 5'9". Not just preference, they're completely excluding them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:57 PM
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Most women want a taller guy, in fact most women want a guy tall enough for her in heels
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:29 PM
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"6 feet" is a stand-in for height requirements. Most women have height requirements for a partner, which you forgot to include in your summary
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:19 PM
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Women's standards: be a nice adult Preferably 6 feet nice
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:07 PM
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Apes together strong
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:16 AM
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Looks like the sub is back up again lol
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 12:55 AM
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😢
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 12:26 AM
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Fellow refugee, reporting in
/r/AllPillDebate10/08/23 11:25 PM
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Pets are great icebreakers
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:10 PM
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Depends on the hobby Having a socially attractive hobby make you more attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:00 PM
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Boooo
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:55 PM
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Running of the Bulls
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:54 PM
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You'll be back with a new username "BigVolvoEnergy"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:52 PM
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Yeah I know I just thought the suggestion was funny in a naively endearing way
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:31 PM
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Yeah it's too selective to work, also tfw you see a woman's red bracelet turn green out of the corner of your eye the moment she walks past you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:28 PM
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It'd be kinda funny seeing people putting on and taking off their fake rings repeatedly whenever they see a hot person they're attracted to lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:25 PM
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Also the whole idea is that people especially women don't usually want to make their interest super obvious It's a feature, not a bug
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:23 PM
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I've seen people on Reddit say things like "women should wear some sort of color-coded bracelet so guys can identify whether they're cool with being approached." Do you not realize that a lack of technology is not the obstacle here?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:16 PM
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Lol I see
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:06 PM
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But women only care when some young twat ends up with an older, handsome, rich guy which belongs to them. "Stay in your lane! (age-wise)" is just the language of people feeling entitled to other people their age. Or when an rich, handsome guy marries some Taiwanese beauty. Oddly specific lol Is Taiwan considered a "passport bro" country? It's like South Korea level rich
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:01 PM
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Yeah age gaps are a very emotionally controversial topic that make a lot of otherwise smart people volunteer some really dumb and illogical arguments. There's a lot of compartmentalizing going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 05:56 PM
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You know how women say that age gaps in relationships create unequal power balances? Hell, even height gaps and strength gaps create unequal power imbalances. Most heterosexual relationships are inherently power imbalanced, but apparently that's not a red flag for these women because the "desire to feel smaller than my bf" happens to align with their sexual preferences. So it's one of the "GOOD" power imbalances. Also an individual's comparative level of life experience may be correlated with ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 05:34 PM
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She's a sturdy woman
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:35 AM
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At first I thought the question would be a "which button do I press" meme type situation for you, but then I thought "they're probably not fat enough for him"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 03:04 AM
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you give them a way out. Yeah that actually works sometimes. Making sure you're giving the woman an exit strategy through body language and situational awareness is a passive rule of thumb that guys should already be following, but explicitly bringing up an exit strategy can be an effective way of getting a more direct hint from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:44 PM
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Even two straight men in prison. The prison gay thing seems kind of problematic in that it's basically a "reverse conversion therapy" scenario that could be used by homophobes to argue that you can force gay people to become straight given the right conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:37 PM
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if you flirt with someone and you start feeling they are not giving that positive feedback but you do it anyway bc you think she might change her mind, that's crossing the line to creepiness Makes sense, but do you think there's a difference between clearly negative feedback and lack of positive feedback/neutral feedback? I think the "not sure how she feels" scenario seems like a moral gray area.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:25 PM
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Q4W: When it comes to men trying to date, at what point does the idea of a man intentionally doing something to increase his odds of success (like following the idea of "going where you're wanted/appreciated") start to become "manipulative" in your opinion? Assuming he's honest when asked about his intentions and there's mutual consent, is there a clear rule or principle IYO that if broken makes his efforts objectively creepy and manipulative?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:13 PM
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Sadly true, but that was meant specifically for particular individuals who love to generalize and imagine themselves as the only reasonable gender on PPD
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:56 PM
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"Why are men on PPD such bad-faith debaters?"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:49 PM
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The conventional definition of hypergamy outside of Wikipedia is typically "marriage into an equal or higher socioeconomic status (for stability)." Something historically confined to women and often described as a consequence of patriarchal society. Guys tend to have a "version" of that where they prize physical attractiveness, but then again you would need to use a different term to describe that to avoid confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:34 PM
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Reddit advice: "Go places where you genuinely share interests with women and interact with them there" Male gym lover: "Challenge accepted!"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:24 PM
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There are pros and cons to both sides. Sometimes it's better to learn life lessons earlier on instead of later when the stakes are higher and you've had less time to mentally adjust. "Ignorance is bliss" just means you get to avoid feeling bad in the short-term while possibly screwing yourself over even worse in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:20 PM
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Maybe they just really like dark circles
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:59 PM
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The rumor is that Ariana Grande was a huge gossip and talked about the size of his unit, so after they broke up he pretty much coasted on word-of-mouth referrals
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:45 PM
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I just realized the Insidious movies were rated PG-13, now it makes sense why they're so highly acclaimed for a horror franchise where the monster looks like a dude wearing Darth Maul face paint
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:31 PM
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"Pete Davidson ain't got nuthin on me!"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:17 PM
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When I say This level of Good Samaritan concern for strangers whose dating choices supposedly "don't affect you personally" I mean in terms of dating choices or preferences that are morally neutral, and where women are injecting their assumptions about a guy's character "unsolicited" in online discussions like these. Where the only interesting information in the post is their ages and then women "stop reading at the ages" and go on a spiel about serial killers exploiting younger women or some ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:24 PM
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I'm guessing you don't understand what "morally convincing" is. Obviously a lot of people are biased in real life and give dating advice colored from their own experiences. But that doesn't mean the other people receiving their advice don't recognize that they're projecting their bitterness onto all men (or women) who match their exes' physical descriptions. People rarely use statistics and data to convince someone about relationship advice Thanks for making my point. There's a lot of shitty adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:22 PM
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At least in my understanding "douchebag" has long been associated with the frat boy type who's definitely physically attractive but acts or dresses in an obnoxious way. So they do certainly get sexual attention, including from a very specific demographic (sorority girls) that most men would agree are also quite physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:15 PM
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Fuckboy the opposite of in*l Bingo, you hit the nail on the head To the extent that "inc3l" is the favorite go-to argument of angry misandrists trying to shut down debate and the worst possible insult in their minds, you'd imagine that the exact opposite term would imply that you have quite favorable qualities as a man
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:11 PM
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Culturally that's kind of true lol To the extent that "incel" is the favorite go-to argument of angry misandrists and the worst possible insult, you'd imagine that the exact opposite term would imply that you have quite favorable qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:08 PM
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Because it is fetishised That explains some of the hate, not all of it. I would agree if not for the fact that a lot of the men who get flak for their age preferences have never actually expressed hateful opinions against older women, but present their preferences neutrally. Then again that could just be the nature of the internet like you said. For the same reason that the Asian female - white male gets some pretty judgemental stares from just about everyone. That's an interesting analogy, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:59 AM
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While true, that negates the whole point of this sub. All the threads are by definition founded on generalisation. PPD veers into giving dating advice sometimes, and personally I think any dating advice that's overly generic and overly prohibitive is counter-productive if it results in artificially limiting your options based on a generalization. Is there any evidence for this? I'm well aware of correlation vs causation. But confounding variables are by definition confounding Sadly I haven't enc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:46 AM
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It’s not always jealousy though sometimes it’s concern. Oh yeah for sure, I'm not claiming that's always the case. I'm just addressing the very defensive claim from some women that it's somehow never because of jealousy. Some age gap relationships are ok but I just get alarm bells going off for young girls in relationships where men list things like inexperience in the world as a good trait I think listing "inferior" traits can seem suspicious sometimes, especially when it's worded in a gross or…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:16 AM
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How is it an unfounded generalisation? Age gap relationshios are more likely to fail than non-age gap ones. And the pitfalls are pretty well documented by just about everyone. "Unfounded generalization" was kind of redundant on my part, the point is that generalizations and stereotypes by nature are inaccurate and morally unjustifiable when applied to individuals. Statistics don't justify character assumptions about individuals. Age gap relationshios are more likely to fail than non-age gap ones…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:46 PM
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So between one good age gap relationship and every example of terrible older men in sight my bias is obviously against age gaps. Anecdotal evidence is not morally convincing evidence. That applies equally to the reverse situation of a younger woman who advises other women to date older guys because "every dude I dated my age was immature and ambition-less." As well as a white woman who advises others not to date [insert minority] men because "all my toxic exes were [minority] and look what happe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:23 PM
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But the leap of logic that "men who fetishise younger women" means older women are against age gaps because of jealousy. As opposed to there are so many examples of how damaging and bad these relationships tend to be. That's because the arguments against age gaps tend to defy logic and rely instead on using personal anecdotes and small sample sizes to project universal moral claims. And these people love to forget about nuance and the dangers of stereotyping when it comes to age specifically. Ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:14 PM
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It's not about being jealous of that specific woman, it's about being jealous (and anxious) in a general sense at the prospect of your dating pool shrinking, because subconsciously you might have a fear that men your age are open to younger women while you're fighting against time pressure and social expectations to settle down by a certain age. (Which I sympathize with, just saying though.) Claiming "I wouldn't have dated a guy like that anyway so it doesn't matter" is kind of a meaningless jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:48 PM
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True but even if you have the means to get an abortion and or are fine with the idea of getting one it's still a huge source of anxiety to get pregnant when you least expect it and with the "wrong" person
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:37 PM
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don’t have sex with someone you wouldn’t be okay having children with This is why "women making guys they really like wait for sex" always seemed like backwards logic to me, from a practical point of view
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 09:38 PM
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Preferences are allowed. It's more that online dating forces you to arbitrarily quantify your preferences in what basically amounts to a split-second decision influenced by broad group-level stereotypes. When you're forced to list what you like on paper you end up excluding a lot of people you would have really good chemistry with if you had met organically in real life. In other words, people don't always "know" their exact preferences when you put them on the spot. The fact that people's onlin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 09:19 PM
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If the only thing you are considering as shady is the race, then that's racist and your fear is not necessary By the same logic, if the only thing you are considering as shady is the person being a man then that's sexist. But you also did say yourself that "you don't get to dictate what women are or aren't allowed to be scared of," which again I agree with (in life-or-death situations) except I believe it applies consistently. Fear is not "unnecessary," but it is irrational to an extent. That's …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:51 PM
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because you can hire someone for house improvements I mean you can also hire someone to clean your house and wash your dishes...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:33 PM
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Depends on the task, women don't usually volunteer to fix broken appliances IME. Especially physically demanding tasks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:31 PM
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you can't tell people to not be afraid obviously, that's not how fear works Right but societally being afraid of certain groups is more "acceptable" than others, that's my point you have to somehow prove that the stereotypes are false Stereotypes by definition can't be true for any individual, regardless of whether the variable is sex or race or ethnicity For the record I think being afraid is acceptable if you believe your life is in danger at the moment, but it becomes sexist and racist when y…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:28 PM
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If the guy is doing the house improvement tasks alone then why are everyday chores split 50/50, that's my point
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:22 PM
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Yeah it does seem like there's fewer men capable of doing those things than before, but you'd figure that wanting to save money and learning a useful task would be incentive enough for most guys lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:21 PM
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also you don't get to dictate what women are or aren't allowed to be scared of If this is true then the racist label makes no sense in the first place lol Either they're both problematic or they're both understandable in the interest of self-preservation
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:20 PM
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Only racist, women are allowed to be afraid of men for ANY reason /s
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:53 PM
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Women do more tasks around the house but men do the more difficult home improvement tasks in general. It's just that the harder tasks like fixing the sink happen less often
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:49 PM
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Women are shallow too, just in multiple areas (salary, social status, height) as opposed to just one primarily (looks).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:47 PM
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Yeah see at least you're honest
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:47 AM
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if Tinder could, they would want everyone to have success when it comes to casual sex. That's what you'd expect, you'd expect their business model to facilitate short-term hookups because that would ensure repeat customers. But there's another variable in action which is the "night club" effect, your number 1 priority is keeping attractive women satisfied with your product. If Tinder actually wanted success for everyone, then they wouldn't penalize users for swiping too often. They're willing to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:27 AM
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Granted you'd have an easier time arguing the life experience thing for the average 20 yo vs. the average 30 yo, but keep in mind that the age taboo extends to 40 yos dating 25 yos as well, in which case the "life experience" argument quickly devolves into a lot of flimsy assumptions after college. A single, childless 25 year old with a full-time job would be closer in life stage to a single, childless 40 yo with a full-time job than another 25 year old with kids and an ex-spouse. Completely dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:05 AM
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There is the maturity and wisdom as well You could say the same thing about the height vs. maturity variables, why go for the fun taller guy instead of the shorter more mature guy? People prioritize different things even after considering multiple variables. Not everyone dates for the same reasons, some want marriage, some enjoy intellectual discussions, some just want to have fun with another person they share values and interests with. If you agree that your looks aren't perfectly correlated w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:56 AM
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No one is saying that all you need to do is wait
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:24 AM
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Who knew that commodifying the dating process and taking advantage of desperate men was maybe a scummy thing to do? "Learning to code to save the world" is some of the most sanctimonious, self-congratulatory BS ever. No, you probably learned to code so you could get a cushy job at Tinder and take advantage of the higher salary for less time spent in school.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:21 AM
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"Why date 20 year olds when 30 year olds are also attractive?" is an odd question that doesn't make much sense. "Why do women date 6 foot tall guys when there are also attractive 5'9" guys?" Because that's what they prefer? I don't agree with Myron that ALL women lose their value over time, but why on Earth are you trying to deconstruct and pathologize sexual preferences like they're some great mystery when everyone agrees: looks matter attractive people are generally more desirable the odds of …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:46 AM
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Good thing not everyone's family has narrow-minded, conservative views about who people are "allowed" to date
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:39 AM
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You're missing the point that being in the same stage of life is more dependent on when you accomplish or experience certain things than your literal age
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:26 AM
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It's almost like you stop hating an entire group when you meet a decent person from that group
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 10:42 PM
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Totally forgot about poppyblu, wonder if she still spends time here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 08:46 PM
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Isn't it obvious? The difference is that you can't systematize improvement at social activities because you can't control someone else's opinion of you with comparable efficiency simply by "practicing" Consent is independent of how skilled you are at socializing
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 08:44 PM
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At least Lillth is more equal opportunity and bashes on feminist hypocrisy (sometimes) as well as male hypocrisy The worst types are ordinarily left-leaning types who suddenly think like conservatives when it suits them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 08:40 PM
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This isn't any better, if it's about the specific objectifying language they're using then focus on the language and not their age. Seems like you have a problem with the age gap fundamentally. Why do women in their 50s still love tall men with broad shoulders? Shouldn't they have grown out of these...[checks notes] perfectly natural preferences already? They're practically grandmas with no capacity for sexual attraction, hOw sTrAnGe! To counter your point though I've heard middle-aged women say…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:11 PM
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This post is a charcuterie board of bad logical reasoning and bad data
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:35 PM
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And yet countries where murder is illegal still have murder. Checkmate!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:13 PM
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I see, well as long as you're fine with the risks then go for it I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 03:23 AM
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I feel like the bigger issue here is mixing your business life with your personal life
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:44 AM
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OK in terms of government then, the patriarchy ended the moment that the last remaining law prohibiting women from voting or holding public office was rescinded. Unless there's some local or municipal law in some podunk town that says the women of that town can't vote. For all intents and purposes the US government and most Western countries are not patriarchies anymore. You can argue that socially men are still considered the "head of household," but social attitudes are democratic in that both…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:41 AM
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Only statistically, not by design. Men and women are equal under the law. It's nearly impossible to meaningfully and quantitatively determine that a government is a patriarchy based solely on a percentage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:34 AM
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I guess, we'll see
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:30 PM
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There's still a pending trial, he's not quite home free (heh) yet
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:11 PM
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Don't forget Chuck Norris
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:31 AM
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Besides the three conservatives in Hollywood I'm sure they can always blame it on the liberal white men who need to sit their white asses down and LISTEN
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:05 AM
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Yeah also risks getting their communities shut down
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 12:07 AM
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That's because they're afraid there's not enough public support for their movement so it would destroy their progress to take ownership for the more hateful and extreme elements within their group. For incels that fear is even more extreme, because the original movement involving the meaning of the label without the "hating women" part almost doesn't exist anymore thanks to the way the public has perceived and redefined the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 11:44 PM
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I doesn't help the discussion that people are often just working with a bunch of different definitions of incel to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 11:27 PM
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Men have very different issues in dating and it's best to take advice from someone who understands your problems. Exactly, why would you expect the best advice on something to come from someone who's never done that thing before? There are certain areas where it's helpful to get feedback from women as a man. But how to make the first move and approach women is probably not one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 06:59 PM
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Asking other men for advice and asking women aren't mutually exclusive. It makes sense to ask people who have been in your specific position and can think from your POV, especially since advice on how to do certain things like "making the first move" is obviously gendered. So another man can give you advice on performing the "male role" (generally speaking) in the interaction much more effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 06:53 PM
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I'm talking about approaching specifically, most women don't have experience approaching women as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 06:47 PM
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Of course it does, do you ask a chef at a popular restaurant how to cook a meal they prepared or do you ask a customer of the restaurant how to cook the meal?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 06:38 PM
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It makes more sense to ask the person actually doing a thing how to do said thing. Asking women how to approach women isn't very useful beyond because different women have different opinions on approaching. So if one woman says "don't approach" then obviously it would be dumb to just take her (biased towards her own interests) opinion as gospel and just give up lol Asking men who share your looks and personality their experience on approaching women makes much more sense because they can actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 06:27 PM
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I dunno, based on his interesting history of orbiter drama it feels like Destiny puts on a "liberal male feminist ally" facade in order to hook up with e-girls and then discard them
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 10:56 PM
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There are plenty of 23 yo women who are fine with dating 31 yo guys, even if you go by the age formula that particular 8 year gap is not even considered taboo at that age lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 10:46 PM
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Like telling men it's better to have multiple wives/women around so they'll act right and respect you more
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 06:41 PM
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The average woman's opinion doesn't differ much from that from the girls on those podcasts. I'm not so sure about that, the average woman is not a content creator/Miami club girl. As for Myron, you must remember the world moves on generalisations not exceptions, that's how statistics work. But most of their advice is predicated on the assumption that you must become an exceptional man first
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:49 PM
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Yeah that makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:19 PM
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Neither of them interviews the average demographic of women, that's an obvious untapped market. It's like they're all content creators and IG models just to get clicks. Whatever seems more palatable to me mostly because the guy doesn't generalize as much as Myron does, but it's still mostly just entertainment value. It'd be better if they offered more insight into the opinions of more representative women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:15 PM
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Wow ok didn't know that backstory Still that means they're like any other rating sub in that they'll compromise just to be polite. Which I'm fine with, in his case
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:08 PM
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Being nice to him defeats the purpose of the sub though
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:02 PM
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Never mind you just contradicted yourself again and undid all that hard work lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:50 AM
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Sure, that's a lot more reasonable and nuanced than something like "guys who want low n-count women are gross"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:43 AM
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Ok but clearly not everyone is diligent about getting tested or even using protection, so theory aside people are allowed to have a neutral preference based on wanting to minimize risk. Wanting to protect yourself is a perfectly valid dating preference
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:40 PM
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Lower likelihood of STIs, I mean that's pretty self-explanatory
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:30 PM
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It’s always with the insults and/or rooted in the gross reasons. That's still not true, you even admit it yourself: The one exception is men who think sex is sacred/special Ofc in reality that's not the only "non-gross" reason but it seems like you're starting to get the point
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:59 PM
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It’s never just “we don’t like high n count [women].” You just said it's "never" a certain way. I'm saying obviously there are times where it is a certain way. You're claiming that no guy has EVER expressed an n-count preference without insulting women, which is a ridiculous overgeneralization and easily disproven. Get real.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:20 PM
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It’s never just “we don’t like high n count [women].” It’s a bunch of derogatory name calling This is just patently untrue. Women shame men for expressing preferences neutrally very often
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:12 PM
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Whenever someone on Reddit says "I'm fine with people having preferences, as long as they don't insult those who don't fit their preferences!" I wait for them to add the disclaimer "but not these preferences" They never do though
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:09 PM
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Cursed comment
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 01:22 AM
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Nah I'd rather not associate juicy fruits with stanky underarms ( ′～‵)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 01:16 AM
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I wonder what happens if you ask ChatGPT to write something ChatGPT would write
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 01:09 AM
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Also ripe should be reserved for describing peaches and other edible things :/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 01:03 AM
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This is about as convincing as a dude saying "I love me some super-tall Amazonian snoo snoo, petite women are trash!" It's not common enough a sentiment to feel threatening lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:53 AM
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I mean a non-pharmacist could easily use rat poison instead
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 11:23 PM
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"Why do women love tall strong men with broad shoulders so much? Do they love being physically abused? Sexual preferences are so weird amirite" Galaxy-brain level argument "No one says men aren't allowed to have preferences, it's totally fine as long as they don't insult women who don't fit those preferences" Bull fucking shit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 11:13 PM
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Without getting political, sheltering your kids and demonstrating that there will be no serious consequences to their actions thanks to your influence is doing them a huge disservice as a parent. Loving your son and support him doesn't mean coddling and being overly permissive of bad behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:52 PM
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I think both of those statements are overstated. It's kind of weird trying to debunk the wall by reversing it and upholding it for men. There are attractive older women who get attention from younger men, and vice versa. This isn't a competition. Ironically in your quest to fight back against against male fantasy you created your own revenge fantasy and overstate how much people hate age gaps based on...personal anecdotes and tiktok. Social media doesn't represent real life opinions of the avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:16 PM
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Perhaps a lack of self-esteem holds back these individuals even more than simply being autistic would
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:11 PM
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Like most things there's nuance, and being autistic isn't necessarily a blackpill death sentence like "short guys are screwed!"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:09 PM
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But when looking at the high intelligent competitive fields Science,mathematics,engineering,technical stuff You'll find most are men The concession to feminists is that the gender disparity is not necessarily because of aptitude. The retort to feminists is that the pay disparity is largely because of personal choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:00 PM
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Good news, the PDD EXAGGERATOR is gender neutral! Man dating woman under 25 = mustache twirling evil schemer/creepy predator who actually secretly wants women his age but can't have them or handle them (because age preferences don't exist after 30)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 04:55 PM
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Standard just means normal, average, or not exceptional
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 04:40 PM
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Why are anonymous social media platforms like twitch You mean Twitter? Twitch is a very public facing platform
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 01:23 AM
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"Wow how objectifying, so you think men are fish instead of human beings? Way to tell on yourself Jesus"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 01:10 AM
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No I agree obviously these tendencies aren't universal
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 01:06 AM
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Yeah it's kind of like the dating version of a restaurant getting 5 star reviews or having long lines every day. At minimum a person would be curious and take a second look wondering why it's so popular, even if they ultimately decide not to eat there.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 12:50 AM
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No they're saying that being a man and having other women fawn over you is it's own type. As in, if a woman sees you hanging out with other beautiful women then she's more likely to find you attractive, regardless of whether you'd be her physical type if you were standing by yourself instead. Same with married men and taken men getting an attractiveness "boost," because supposedly they've been vetted already by other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 12:44 AM
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Not if they don't know how you rate yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 12:31 AM
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"I hate it when men mistake my friendliness as flirting" is a common refrain from women online. So I guess you could call that a conscious choice not to rock the boat or cause discomfort, which may be fear but isn't always fear of rejection. Either way you end up with guys who take risk and get it wrong sometimes, and guys who overthink and miss out on opportunities sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:22 PM
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Generally I think modern gender politics has scared a lot of men into playing it safe than sorry It's not exactly wrong to say social media isn't real life, but then again a LOT of people use social media so that's not very reassuring
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:16 PM
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It only becomes relevant if the person doesn't understand what kind of guy they are and what kind of women would be attracted to him. Someone else's judgment of your looks is largely independent of your own perception of where you are in the attractiveness scale. Whether you secretly have an inflated opinion of yourself or you have low self-esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:10 PM
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Why would looks be irrelevant if looksmatching exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:01 PM
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For the early stage of attraction looks are equally important if not more so in some cases. Also in general the less time you have to interact with/impress the other person the more your looks matter, for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:45 PM
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Yeah not a fan of the cheating part of the hypothetical nor can I imagine him doing that. She could probably get a younger hotter dude, but I don't know if he would actually successfully "replace" her current man in her mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 07:15 PM
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That's good to hear no one knows who the hell we are and they just assume we must be Chinese for the most part lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 07:11 PM
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Ok yeah that's quite an interesting perspective and sorry about your childhood experience. Hopefully things are a lot better for you now
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 07:04 PM
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Lol I see, for some reason when someone says the phrase "I like X features" I imagine them to be a member of a different race observing X from the outside
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 06:56 PM
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Replaceable in this context means finding a guy who can provide you the same or better lifestyle and status and connections. And chemistry, if you're a romantic (they've been together since they were teenagers). The pool of eligible men who potentially can replace him materially is top <1% small, and probably like single digits small if we're talking materially and emotionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 06:53 PM
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men here say that Asian guys are undesirable Tbf that was more true before K-pop but also still kind of true to a lot of Asian women for some reason
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 06:43 PM
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Lol if no one cared about basketball he wouldn't be paid 50 mil to "play a game" You get one Steph Curry maybe once in a generation
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 06:36 PM
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JA is a necessary force for balancing out Lillth's tireless efforts in the "calling out opposite gender hypocrisy" competition. Although I'd say he's ahead of her in the "logically coherent" category
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:47 AM
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The point is that safety is not their primary concern, and shouldn't be used as an excuse for why a dating preference is "immoral" if they disagree with the reward but "acceptable" if they desire the reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 02:49 AM
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Right but the bare minimum for success is that you have to first win the competition with her before you even get to worry about hypergamy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:39 PM
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Yes but you're also competing with her. It becomes more obvious with an example where you both work in the same industry (like you're both lawyers, let's say). Since women with that preference are more likely to be attracted to superstars in their industry as opposed to their subordinates, you making partner would put you in an advantage over a scenario where you were both associates.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:25 PM
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In terms of romance, men and women aren't competing with each other since they look for different things in their partner If the woman you're interested in prefers a man who makes more money than she does then logically speaking you are indirectly competing with her salary for her attention. Any dating preference that's comparative and changeable (more successful, more fit than me, etc) involves inter-sexual competition
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:08 PM
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What makes the entire rest of the country unlivable trash?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 09:15 PM
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I'd say sky-high rents in places next to the pacific ocean make them unlivable as well for the average person
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:10 PM
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Money gives you confidence to not care as much about failing. And confidence = DGAS attitude
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 06:05 PM
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Also idk what you mean by they don’t want to be creepy literal rich and famous guys have been publicly accused of being creeps That's exactly my point though. All the more reason for a rich guy to minimize his risk of being MeToo'ed by waiting for women to approach him and be the ones to initiate interaction instead. He can still get the caliber of women he desires, because once you have options at that level it's not as big a loss to miss out on any one particular woman who expects you to appro…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 07:52 PM
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EVIDENCE that HEIGHT is not the #1 factor in a woman's attraction: Huh? No one's saying that height is linearly correlated to attractiveness to infinity There's a sweet spot of not too tall and not too short around the 6'0" to 6'4" range
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 07:39 PM
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A rich attractive man is still a man at the end of the day. He will still pursue the women he finds attractive especially if he is the type of man to be successful. I wouldn't say that, men aren't all the same. Also rich men aren't necessarily good-looking or extroverted. The point is that a guy with wealth and status doesn't have to pursue women anymore, because even passively he'll likely be able to attract women who he deems "good enough" for him. That's a win-win for a lot of guys, why risk …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:30 PM
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Actually when the guy is rich and famous (or incredibly attractive) I think the dynamic reverses, the woman is much more likely to make the first move. Because a rich man is more rare than a beautiful woman. It's like being a male celebrity surrounded by female fans, they're the ones chasing him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:04 PM
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People often transfer the ridicule they receive from those "socially superior" to themselves and unleash their frustration on targets that they perceive to be lesser than themselves. "The bullied becomes the bully" is an unfortunate quirk of human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:40 AM
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People often transfer the ridicule they receive from those socially superior to themselves and unleash that frustration on targets that they perceive to be lesser than themselves. "The bullied becomes the bully" is an unfortunate quirk of human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:34 AM
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I'm convinced they make post title really clickbaity and make themselves look bad to draw engagement and clicks, and once there's enough people they add the edit that totally changes the scenario in their favor to convert the attention to up votes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:26 AM
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The difference is that you know you'll see your friend again, so there's a good chance he'll pay you back if he's a decent guy. With a first date they're a stranger, so that assurance doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:08 AM
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What are you rolling your eyes drinking wine about?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 11:33 PM
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"Anyone who puts in effort to make a good point I disagree with is a nerd"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 11:30 PM
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Yep it's a winning attitude and a good one to teach your kids. Especially Olympic and other high level athletes. Not only do they have to compete to win gold, they also have to compete against every other athlete before them in history to break the world record. That takes insane focus that you can only get from a play to win mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 04:17 AM
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Second place = first loser
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 03:10 AM
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Yes some of the men asking for advice lack social awareness, but I mean can you really blame them? That's the whole point of asking for advice lol I think the women giving advice have the easier responsibility of not speaking for all women and clearly stating that it depends on the individual
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 06:37 PM
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Those men are probably taking advice from the women on Reddit who hyperventilate when a guy talks to them at the grocery store and complain about it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 06:27 PM
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There are subs like r/truerateme and r/FaceRatings that hit the front page more often than before. What are the odds that the person complaining about this is also from a front page sub that everyone hates lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:02 PM
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On the contrary, men who aren't physically attractive in university don't encounter a wall to begin with, because the traits and accomplishments that will make them a catch in the future are still "under development" so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 04:56 PM
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Yep, broad shoulders are probably the most important item on the checklist for attaining the masculine physique. Once you've gotten sufficiently wide then you can start worrying about looking good in three dimensions by focusing on chest and back for thickness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:05 AM
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That's true, but the cashier at the grocery store also recognizes me and makes conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:36 PM
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If someone uses a hand gesture that's offensive in their own culture, it's not bigoted to think there was an offensive intent, even though you would've found it inoffensive in a different culture. But in that case you know that it's considered offensive, so you're not making an assumption based on how they look. Meanwhile OP seems to be referring to instances where people in certain subs might judge men and women of the same culture (or assumed to be American by default) differently. It's more a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:35 PM
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I disagree, except in one specific context. Probabilistic statements (especially ones that attempt to predict someone's character or intentions) are not accurate when applied to individuals, and certainly not considered morally acceptable. I don't see how the concept of assigning group blame based on shared physical characteristics is either logically or morally defensible. The only time it's kind of understandable is when you believe your life is literally in danger at that moment, in which cas…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:31 PM
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They already have something in common (friends with wedding party) and they both already have demonstrated social proof because they have friends and family who like them and want their company. Sort of, but being a wedding guest isn't social proof if you were invited by family out of obligation and not because they normally enjoy your company. Man at the grocery store or Target who appears to be hunting lone women to hit on? No social proof, no common interests. There's no social proof at the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:28 PM
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Excellent point
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:07 PM
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In terms of motion and different angles, yes. But some people who are actually attractive in person might not be "videogenic," so you can appear to look or sound worse than you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:37 PM
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Video suffers from some of the same problems as photos, the camera lens can distort how you look
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:25 PM
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Well men and women aren't the same Exactly, not all men are the same as other men and not all women are the same as other women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:20 PM
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Calling out a double standard is not "autism" What you're doing is called "gaslighting"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:18 PM
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And I'm referring to the normie women like the 25 yo in 4ssh01e's comment, following the context of the next reply to that comment It's still sugar dynamic if you change the currency from money to raising their own clout/fame/status by being romantically/sexually with a guy that is adored/known by hundreds of millions I'd imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 04:23 PM
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Yes, that's not even a hypothetical lol They've already said they find him hot There are plenty of normal non celebrity men who women find attractive. Even... Older men! Gasp
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 04:07 PM
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You do know attractiveness is subjective right Why are you trying so hard to claim that some girl you don't know who thinks Leo is hot must be lying
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 04:00 PM
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The point is that you don't actually know if the woman is going to say no "for sure" without asking first. Unless she's already married or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 03:57 PM
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It means the more you say the more opportunities you have to say something stupid and eliminate yourself. Also it's about keeping yourself mysterious, if you tell all your funny and interesting stories within the first date then you might run out of steam.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 03:31 AM
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It depends when you start counting. Does not prioritizing or not bothering to try make you a loser or does trying but failing after deciding it matters make you a loser?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 03:28 AM
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"Women should stop whining about not having female spaces, have they never heard of something called...the women's restroom? Hyuk hyuk hyuk hyuk"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 10:31 PM
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It's funny because if you go on a lot of women's subs they're very unapologetic about making negative generalizations about men and banning users for saying even slightly sympathetic things like "now hold on now, not all men are like that." Meanwhile if you ask a question in the AskMen sub like "describe a time when you got turned off after you saw a girl naked" the highest upvoted responses are white-knighty feel good stories like "I once got turned off by a skinny girl with slightly visible ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 10:22 PM
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It's funny because if you go on a lot of women's subs they're very unapologetic about making negative generalizations about men and banning users for saying "now hold on now, not all men are like that." Meanwhile if you ask a question like "describe a time when you got turned off after you saw a girl naked" the highest upvoted responses are feel good stories like "I once got turned off by an anorexic girl because the sight of her emaciated body suffering under the crushing weight of patriarchal …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 10:21 PM
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Nah I think any online platform makes it easier to catfish someone and waste their time. Also the user base tends to self-select more easily for certain undesirable demographics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:55 PM
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Dating apps work for women Quantity? Sure. Quality? Jury's still out on that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:44 PM
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but I’m wondering if all these TikTok’s about women telling men not to approach is finally gonna kill off that dating route. I highly doubt it, simply because the demand is still there. Online dating apps simply don't work for a lot of guys. Also I think people implicitly recognize that this kind of "terminally online" discourse is kinda insane and not representative of real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:35 PM
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Salary negotiations also require "mutual choice" but normally there's one side that has much more power in the negotiation
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:15 PM
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Reminds me of end credits in movies where they list the names of actors playing background characters like "Ugly Man #1" Imagine putting that one on your demo reel
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 05:49 PM
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Ah yes, the elusive baby deer-cow
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 05:32 PM
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"It's fine if you want to have this preference, just don't insult people who don't fit your preference" This sentiment is largely insincere and used by people to defend their own preferences in the heat of the discussion. Mostly because these people, when confronted with a preference they disagree with, will then twist the definition of "it's fine" to allow themselves the privilege of insulting others: "well ackshually...no one's literally stopping you from dating XYZ, so ignore me trying to sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 05:26 PM
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I would expect gay men to have learned to be very socially observant and careful for obvious reasons, but I also haven't heard of a social epidemic of straight men with anger management problems going postal on another dude for flamboyantly complimenting them. Then again cities with higher LGBTQ populations tend to be liberal so there's that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 07:07 AM
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You can blame Japan for that one
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 03:09 AM
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They say that Gen Z is the first generation that's actually less cool than their parents
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 03:00 AM
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Sounds shady
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:27 AM
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Nah Scrappy Doo is actually endearing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 12:41 AM
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More batshit than guano I wish people used this one more often lol In college it would always be after class, getting pulled down a hallway to talk privately. Yeah there are plenty of non-creepy situations like that in real life. Doesn't even take that much imagination to come up with, just a little good faith
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 12:19 AM
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If you say so
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 12:07 AM
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feeling compromised during gland-to-gland combat men with hair systems 🤝 women with weaves
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 12:00 AM
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That's interesting seeing how most parents supposedly pick the youngest child as their "favorite child"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:48 PM
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Don't you mean "men are more likely to get divorced BY women than vice versa"? As in, women are usually the ones initiating the divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:43 PM
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I never said "following" (or suggested "stalking") either, you're tripping lol Have you never walked (while talking) with someone and waited until there were fewer people around to say something sensitive or potentially embarrassing for either of you? C'mon use your life experience here
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:39 PM
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Gay men have better manners and are savvy enough not to proposition strangers if they aren’t certain their attention is wanted. Lol on the contrary, I'd say gay men generally have thicker skin and a sense of humor about realizing that people are just lonely and want to hook up Tell me more about isolating women from everyone so she has no escape and so a man can proposition her without repercussions Never said that at all, you must have overlooked the earlier thing I said about "not trapping the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:28 PM
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Cornering someone because a man wants attention is rude as hell. "Cornering" is painting men with a broad brush based on a rude minority, most guys are aware of avoiding doing things that might creep out the woman in obvious ways like standing between her and an exit. They don’t do that to men. Gay men exist. But if he is a man who follows women around to ensure there is no one around and no “white knights” to save her from an uncomfortable situation, Again the framing is kind of inaccurate. Yes…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:01 PM
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People have a right to privacy and autonomy I don't think you know what either of those words mean Making small talk with a stranger in a public space does not violate privacy or autonomy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:48 PM
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My bad I thought this was a debate sub and not an "agree blindly with every smooth-brained opinion" sub
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 09:56 PM
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"Feminism cannot survive without men willingly protecting it" is probably the more accurate statement. Of course the idea of feminism can exist within the minds of oppressed women. A despot can't stop people from thinking thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:52 PM
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I think you misspelled "creepier" and "more predatory"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 02:04 AM
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I see
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 01:13 AM
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Don't they ever ask you? What do you say then
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:45 AM
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Honestly, no woman ever wants you talking to her I have not wanted to talk to the overwhelming majority of the men who have tried to talk to me "No woman wants a man to talk to her...unless he's one of the small minority of men she wants to talk to And he should know that by somehow reading her mind without approaching her to find out in the first place"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 08:20 PM
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Perhaps women thinking baggy clothes aren't feminine is the reason why women's clothing doesn't have pockets
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:12 PM
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Women can be funny but as a whole they probably don't feel nearly as much pressure to be funny, so I'd imagine it's not a skill that women are generally forced to develop.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:52 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:52 AM
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I would still disagree because a broad statement like that can't possibly apply to 100% of unsuccessful men. Also there's no guarantee of success for any activity that involves the consent of another party, no matter how hard you "try." You can be a catch and still not meet the right person due to your location or your priorities or whatever. I believe this for single men as well as single women over a certain age, it's not necessarily their fault. "Bad luck" is an actual thing that exists. Sinc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:55 AM
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Disagree because dating apps are fundamentally designed to exploit gender imbalance and desperate users, and mixing profit with an artificial substitute for healthy social interaction (like social media apps or dating apps) means that whoever designs the system designs it so the house always wins. Even if you had said "dating" instead of "dating apps" your point would have been somewhat more arguable, but there's no question OLD is an imbalanced and undemocratic system statistically and intentio…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:45 AM
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Maybe, but there are communities of women on Reddit who actually think like this Either way it's entertaining because the really ridiculous posts make the movement look bad
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:34 AM
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"Women's only value is offering sex and children" I like this post because as a representative of your gender you took this great opportunity to raise up womanhood and yet still managed to shit on yourselves in the final act of your anti-male diabtribe
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:56 AM
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Probably not, celebrity and constant outside attention isn't an ideal formula for stable relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:47 AM
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However, if NT guys are willing to date ND women more, are they just willing to put up with their indiscretion more, or don't care as much? Yes, on two levels. Being awkward or shy itself is already generally considered an endearing trait in women but a very unattractive one for men. But also, men tend to be more willing to forgive personality quirks as long as he's physically attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 09:28 PM
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Short women also "understand" what short men have to deal with in life on an intellectual level, but when you're talking specifically about dating that understanding doesn't necessarily translate to romantic interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 09:25 PM
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Why did you start talking to her? Who starts talking to strangers in a Wendy's? This is literally the time for a sir this is a Wendy's meme. I don't think it's weird to make small talk with strangers, especially if you're both waiting for something and that thing is taking a long time. Human beings are social animals. It's pretty apparent that most people often "want" to socialize but are afraid to because they don't want to "look weird." You can test this by observing how people act whenever so…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 06:59 PM
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I'd would be able to stay professional but it would absolutely suck to be surrounded by people who it'd be a terrible idea to date
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 04:01 AM
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Yeah that particular detail is kinda bad optics and an easy target for criticism lol But seems like the commenters mostly agreed with the gist of his message
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:31 PM
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I guess you'd disagree with the majority opinions in that thread then. Also I wouldn't call an unmarried woman without kids in her 40s or 50s a "loser," that is what you're suggesting indirectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:27 PM
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Depends on what 50 year old you're talking about. It's not statistically likely, but it's possible. Dating is about individuals so talking in "All X are like that"-type generalities doesn't seem very relevant for addressing the concerns of an exceptional case asking for advice. Also you don't even have to go that far, people already criticize 32 year olds dating 22 year olds. Even when it's considerably easier to argue they could be in the same life stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:25 PM
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I don't believe late bloomer is the same as someone going through the natural developmental stage. Late bloomer is typically used to mean someone who hits their social developmental milestones at a later stage than the average person. First kiss, first date, moving out, etc. At least that's how I'm using it, but you can substitute "late bloomer" with whatever term you think more appropriately describes what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:58 PM
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Well those particular men do
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:42 PM
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it’s often a guy who is like 50 dating women who are like 22 and writing unhinged and angry rants about how he finds women his age gross and unattractive. Yeah but that's not always the case, it's equal opportunity in terms of criticizing even guys who don't even express those misogynistic views. Usually the comments begin with "I stopped reading at their ages this is wrong." I'm including relationship advice subs where the OP hasn't said anything sexist against older women. A lot of guys who ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:38 PM
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When I was in college, there were very few "natural" avenues where a 10+ older person to enter our own social group. from 2-5 years older, sure, but 10.... no way, True, but I mean once you leave college. "Real life" isn't structured by age groups in the same way that school is
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:33 PM
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So I believe once people move out of their parents' place, and are able to experience the world without the influence of their parents, they start to become their own person. So much of one's growth should happen at that time. I agree with this, but I'm sure you have an idea what the natural follow-up to this point might be. Different people end up moving out and grow up at different ages. Being a late bloomer might not be common but it does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:31 PM
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Yeah that's a fair assessment, although I wouldn't characterize it as "99% chance of failing" like most people tend to hyperbolize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:26 PM
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that crowd is already self-sorted so it's not a good example. Sure but it's common for most people to look for partners in self-sorted fashion to maximize their odds of meeting those who share their interests anyways. Also sports fandom isn't a niche so self-selection doesn't randomize the demographic by that much, it's one of the few common "small talk" topics and something that can unite two people just based on them being from the same city.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:22 PM
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Why would anyone think it's difficult for two people of different ages to like the same things though? Like no intersection at all? That's genuinely hard to comprehend. Two people of different ages, different races, different genders, etc. can like the same sports teams or hobbies or whatever. Just look at the crowd in a sports arena. Also it's not like dating someone who likes different TV shows than you is a sign of impending marital instability or something lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:08 PM
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Q4W: If women here generally seem to agree that people go through life at their own pace (and that it's immature and unimaginative to expect everyone to adhere to the same rigid timeline), then why do so many people claim with certainty that age gaps must be fundamentally incompatible because the two people are totally "in different life stages"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:59 PM
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That depends on a lot of factors. Are you using a shotgun method or are you more intentional in only approaching women who you think would be "in your league"? Also how old are the women you're approaching? The taboo against cold approaches seems to be more of a Gen Z thing, so a lot of younger guys get scared away from talking to random women in real life because of all the rhetoric about "being hit on by creepy dudes" on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:36 AM
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You're not wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:02 PM
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Male streamers promote Islam as a vehicle for imparting traditional values, likely because it's more immune to criticism than Christianity is
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 09:26 PM
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Putting aside the possibility that the (very forward) women who told you you were too short may not have given an entirely straight answer because they were hesitant to give the real reason... ...it does depend on how you frame it I guess. You see it as wasted time but I'd see it as creating an opportunity. If she rejects you upon meeting you because of your height then you get to save that hour or so you would have spent on the date. But at least you took the shot. If instead she rejects you af…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:25 PM
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1) Either pick a photo where it's obvious which one you are or have someone else take a photo of you. 2) I think listing your height is counterproductive if it doesn't differentiate you in a good way, if she asks then tell her but don't volunteer the information outright. Let her reject you instead of rejecting yourself on paper. If she cares then it'll probably be one of her early questions anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:10 PM
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There is no need for drama or awkwardness if you're polite and friendly. If you get rejected and lash out in rage, well yes, that's is going to be awkward for the person being reheated. Sure you can control how you approach, but you can't control how the woman will react. Some women are uncomfortable with being approached in a class where they're trying to focus and learn. In a closed environment where women doesn't have a good exit strategy and might find it hard to say "no" without being stuck…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 07:08 PM
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Women whom you already have something in common with through a class or whatever that you both attend regularly Only if neither of you cares much about the class or the event you attend regularly (to avoid potential awkwardness or drama). It's not great to put women you see on a daily or weekly basis in the position of having to navigate an uncomfortable situation she didn't ask for. Cold approaches are better for this reason because the discomfort is temporary and one-time. The exception would …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 06:48 PM
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Depends on how you define cold approach. A "cool approach" where you actually have a relevant and interesting conversation with a stranger based on environmental context is more effective than just giving a compliment and asking for their number right away
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 06:40 PM
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You are violating rule #1: who cares what women say. More generally, who cares what other people say? You can't please everyone and not everybody you meet in life is going to like you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 06:38 PM
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I mean personally I don't lose too much sleep worrying about lack of compliments, but that something that matters to a lot of people struggling with self-esteem. Thinking that the vast majority of problems aren't worth worrying about or addressing just because there are starving children in Africa is an unproductive way of thinking and a logical fallacy. Odds are you'd probably find issue with it yourself if you applied the same mindset to problems you've struggled with in your own life despite …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 04:51 AM
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I mean, yeah men don’t get a lot of sexual compliments from random women because it’s the man’s job to lead when it comes to dating. Also because women tend to be more hesitant about their compliments being misconstrued
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 04:40 AM
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I meant single men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 03:54 AM
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I think by compliments people usually mean in a romantic context. Since guys get compliments from other guys, as well as platonic compliments from family and coworkers fairly easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 03:40 AM
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In order to pass a law, you would need to define it clearly. Define creepy for us please? You triggered my TRAP CARD!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 01:03 AM
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Sounds like a fun experience lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:30 PM
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There are a lot of neckbeards who give up because they believe they are too ugly to be redeemable
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:45 PM
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Average people have flaws so a neckbeard thinking they're average wouldn't prevent them from accepting that they have flaws
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:58 PM
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On the contrary, thinking of yourself as "not even average" is often an excuse for people not to self-improve because they're convinced they're unchangeably low on the totem pole so why even try
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:57 PM
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She either is or ain’t interested from the get go. You'd be surprised, the first impression is not always the lasting one. Especially if it's a behavioral thing or a nerves thing. "At first I thought he was a jerk/kinda lame when he approached me at the party, but then..." is not an uncommon how-did-you-two-meet story IME.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:26 PM
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Self-esteem is a gradual process not something you get over after a magic number of therapy sessions Any lasting progress you've made so far is thanks to your own dedication and hard work, not simply because of a prescription or even a therapist's words (give yourself more credit)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:21 PM
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If you can't even think of yourself as average then your self-esteem must be below the floor
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:13 PM
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Unless you're being sarcastic I would probably temper my expectations
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:11 PM
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"I live in rural Ohio and I never see mixed race couples. It simply aint happening! CMV"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:07 PM
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A lot of women do at least. It's like those relationship posts where someone in the comments figures out that OP's story is completely fake, and then you see some women go "well it doesn't matter if it's fake, these things happen in real life so OP's made up story confirms my narrative."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:04 PM
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If I had to guess it's because of what happened after they divorced
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 01:55 AM
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I like this image because you can just rotate it counterclockwise to tell a different story
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 11:07 PM
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The first question you have to ask is whether it's likely for that guy to attract the neurotypical woman in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 10:43 PM
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Eh that depends. If things go well then sure, but you're really not giving them much of an exit strategy if the rejection goes awkwardly and now you're both stuck in the same social group. Unless it's a circle that neither of you would care too much about having to leave, that'd be the exception. Also even if it's not all at once it's easy to develop a reputation. People gossip and have long memories, there are still strings attached. "Don't shit where you eat" applies here too IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 07:51 PM
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Yep, or any other type of "same room" environment. Also why I dislike the idea of dating women in your social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 07:40 PM
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Some guys will indiscriminately hit on everybody they meet, which can offputting because it makes you look like you have no standards. Well yeah, just don't hit on multiple girls in the same room where they can all see you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 07:19 PM
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The benefit of giving very vague, long-term advice is that people can't immediately call you out on the advice being ineffective.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 07:05 PM
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I think they're referring to the kind of advice that says actively looking for romance makes you look desperate. "Stop looking for love and it will find you" or some other such useless platitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 07:04 PM
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Gold digging is relative, a guy with less than half a mil net worth can still be gold dug by a woman from a poor country. Or even a poor woman from the same country. By analogy, scammers don't care if you're rich they only care if you're gullible.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 06:50 PM
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Apparently the average age of first marriage in Ireland is like 37 for men and 35 for women. I don't know if that's a cultural thing or a developed country thing but I thought that was interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 05:23 PM
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I think you should be prepared to lose both of them. If the more attractive friend is a decent friend then I'm pretty sure it'd be really awkward and assholeish for her to potentially get with you after you made her friend feel like second choice. But maybe I'm wrong in this case, who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 05:01 PM
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Yeah that's a good point. Otherwise middle age (and also infancy, adolescence, etc.) would be different in developing countries where they die at 55.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 07:20 PM
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I think most people with life experience past high school would agree that it's possible for a group of women to be ruthlessly competitive with each other just as a group of men can be. After all the "Mean Girl" archetype didn't just materialize out of thin air. As for the idea that if women had institutional power and ruled the world they would be benevolent this is clearly not a given at all, we know full well that female racists and criminals exist. The only thing you can say with statistical…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 06:55 AM
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The part which would be controversial would be if one were to draw conclusions on the white race, such as "Being of the caucasian race creates a tendency in an individual to promote racial oppression". That certainly would be a controversial statement that would be not acceptable in modern public discourse, I disagree that the controversial statement would be unacceptable in modern discourse when applied to non-marginalized groups. Sentiments like "only white people can be racist" and "every whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 06:39 AM
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"Stupid" is just a stand-in for negative stereotypes and statements of generalization "White people are complicit in racial oppression" "Why are men so toxic" "White feminists don't care about black women" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:48 AM
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Any group that isn't considered a marginalized group
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:39 AM
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I'd say the difference is that advertising acts on market research (instead of blind assumptions) to make a product appeal to a certain subset of a demographic. I doubt that beer companies would claim that all men love big boobies, just that enough do for them to capture a large enough market share of attention. In fact the idea of overgeneralizing would seem like bad marketing in principle actually. (Bud Light, as a recent example.) Most importantly though, ad-based generalizations used to targ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:10 AM
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Generalizing an entire group of people based on their immutable traits is bad even if you've been victimized by members of said group. As smart as a lot of individuals on Reddit claim to be it still feels these so-called principled victims are just mentally incapable of grasping this point. And the fact that even a small majority of a default sub with 13 million members doesn't have the courage to be intellectually honest about this is really depressing as a barometer of the state of social medi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 02:55 AM
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Yes a lot of older women are attractive, but having to go to the gym and use skincare by definition means that you're not "automatically" staying hot after 30, precisely because you have to spend more effort actively fighting to stay looking young in a way that came naturally without intervention when you were 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:36 AM
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Jeff Bezos being rich doesn't make him an HVM. Dude's a cheater and probably a ruthless business manager and romantic partner. I feel like even FDS women would be silently screaming at the fact you're making them look bad lol Also celebrity rules don't apply to average people, by the same token TRP could easily point to certain rich men to prove their own points that would conflict with yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 05:26 PM
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Nujabes isn't even mainstream rap, so that's probably not a great example Now take a song like "Right Thurr" by Chingy which came out around the same time: Look at her hips Look at her legs, aint she stacked? I sure wouldn't mind hittin that from the back I like it when I touch it cause she moan a lil bit Jeans saggin so I can see her thong a lil bit Very beautiful and pro-woman lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 02:55 AM
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Would you stop buying produce because a particular batch was found to be contaminated? Even the people who answer yes wouldn't necessarily stop forever. Either way that's entirely irrelevant to the main point that you're not morally liable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 07:33 PM
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Officer, I thought the thing I was doing was legal you can’t arrest me!!! You're being obtuse. Let's say you bought CBD gummies from a store where marijuana is legal and then found out afterwards there were illegal drugs in them (real life example), you're saying it's perfectly fair for the cops to arrest you for heroin and fentanyl possession? C'mon now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 07:28 PM
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Obviously if you knew they were a victim beforehand then you should be arrested. I'm talking about services that are advertised as legal. There's no moral standard for criminal liability that could possibly make the customer culpable for the seller lying about their services in this scenario or any other. Are you supposed to assume anyone you buy anything from is always lying? Again, that would be insane, like arresting any customer who buys a pair of Nike shoes for "enabling forced/child labor"…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 07:18 PM
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The problem is that the people calling for voter ID aren't necessarily up for making them completely free or minimizing the discrepancies. Thus the question of bias and motivations.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 02:52 AM
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The spirit of the law here isn’t “let’s punish men for buying sex” it’s “let’s stop people from engaging in prostitution but in a way that still allows trafficked people to seek help.” That rationale doesn't make sense though, because the solution to trafficking is to target the pimps, not to target the customers who may not even be aware of the situation. Also voluntary, victimless sex work exists. So they're effectively punishing the wrong men in a move that doesn't even address the problem. L…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 02:48 AM
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It's about the letter of the law vs. the spirit of the law, I'm addressing your point about neutrality and not so much the morality of prostitution itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 02:24 AM
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Yes the two issues aren't exactly the same, but the analogy still holds though. It's about the letter of the law vs. the spirit of the law, I'm addressing your point about neutrality and not so much the morality of prostitution itself. To use another example, it'd be like passing a law making it illegal to pray more than 3 times a day. On its face there's no language explicitly targeting Islam or Muslims, so you could claim it's faith neutral. But clearly it has a disproportionate effect on Musl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 02:00 AM
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In the same way that enforcing voter ID is supposedly race neutral? On paper it might be but that might just be a way of covering up biased intentions by latching on to convenient statistical trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 01:41 AM
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Yeah arresting pimps makes more sense than arresting the johns. In the case of trafficking victims, the pimps are the ones knowingly exploiting the women. The johns have no knowledge of this (if they do then that's when you actually have a reason for arresting them). In the case of escort services where everything is by-the-book and voluntary then the moral question doesn't even come into play. It'd be like arresting the customer for buying sneakers made by overseas sweatshop labor instead of ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 01:36 AM
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For sure
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 10:44 PM
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Couldn't have said it better. Clearly what should be obvious to you without having to ask anyone on Reddit is that you've got a winning attitude. Be proud of that!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:44 PM
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OK I think I see what you mean So the discrepancy between men and women in the statistics is because the guy is lying about it being a relationship to the woman but answering "single" in the study?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:35 PM
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Preferably in that order lol But again unless you've got an absolutely burning desire to know and think it can change things then I don't really see the benefit
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:34 PM
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I'm not sure if that's common though, that almost sounds like the female version of guys wanting to escape the friendzone. Do women often go into FWBs hoping for more?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:15 PM
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but if it’s an average man more often than not he’s doing more than FWB things to maintain the woman’s interest You don't think the women can tell he's doing that? If he's average then it's less likely she's "starstruck" by his looks and can think more clearly to see what his intentions are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 08:05 PM
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Yeah I'm aware of how things are, just pointing out what you'd expect things to be like if online discourse about age gaps actually matched real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 08:02 PM
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but a lot of them probably believe their FWB makes them “in a relationship” while the guy does not think of it as such. That's an interesting theory, but do you actually think it's because these women in FWB arrangements aren't emotionally intelligent enough to realize they only do FWB things whenever they hang out? I would have given them more credit than that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 07:08 PM
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I'm not sure your analogies work because with age gaps there's a very specific logic where larger = more concerning and age = life experience. And people bring up that logic like gospel in their arguments. So there's no reason to think that a small age gap is somehow an exception to the theory. Why would you date a guy 3-5 years older than you if another guy your exact age is also available (and therefore the risk of your relationship being power-imbalanced is reduced to zero)? If you believe th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 06:59 PM
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It's not confusing because it's clearly a self-serving and conveniently calibrated scale If every year matters in increasing the life experience gap then small gaps should not be immune from suspicion just because they're more common and happen to align with women's preferences for slightly older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 06:35 PM
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Right, which goes to my point that the vast majority of the 63% self-reporting as single aren't seeing any action at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 06:27 PM
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OK, so that means the women in your social sphere are generally less superficial about height than the average woman on OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 06:24 PM
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And the truly average guy is statistically a stranger to both those things. Most men have to go through the serious relationship route
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 06:11 PM
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If it were actually treated like a spectrum (and not an arbitrary line) then it wouldn't make sense for so many people to call a small gap like 3 years "not a gap at all."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:51 PM
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If it's actually a spectrum it should be: "Small gap small creepy, big gap big creepy" In real life though: "Small gap not creepy, big gap big creepy"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:46 PM
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Yeah that's a fair point. I figured people would be worried about data privacy and trusting personal photos with a nameless AI program, but then again that ship sailed a while ago when FB started using facial recognition.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:44 PM
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How would the AI be more accurate than an aggregate of human ratings? Because of scale? I'd imagine the way they train the AI would be by feeding them human scores anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:38 PM
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The fact that it's a spectrum makes it kinda suspicious how no one cares enough about a 4-5 year age gap to call it "kinda creepy" by default. Almost as if the 28 year olds dating 24 year olds want to have their cake and eat it too, by conveniently drawing the creepy line right above whatever their personal age gap happens to be. Like if people care so much about the math that there's even a formula for it, then a 20 year age gap being creepy would make a 5 year age gap "25% creepy" if they were…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:30 PM
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I see. But to properly test your theory the obvious next question you'd have to ask would be, did the guys < 6 ft actually reveal their height to the woman before or even after they dated? Like a 5'10" or 5'11" dude could easily get away with saying "I'm pretty sure I'm 6 feet" to a much shorter woman, and feign ignorance or blame it on a bad measurement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:21 PM
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Like after they meet them in person with no way of knowing how tall they actually are, or on a dating app where they have the option of filtering by height beforehand? Because women are much more likely to pick 6 ft as the minimum threshold on OLD. There was a chart that showed a 5'11" guy was twice as likely to be filtered out than a 6 ft guy on Bumble. If you look at the chart that's the one place where the curve changes most unnaturally, which strongly suggests its a preference shaped by peer…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:13 PM
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If you still want to go down that road, then the most accurate sub for "rating" is still roastme, because that's the only one where people are actually incentivized to be brutally honest about how you look. In the most organic way people judge others (by pointing out facial oddities instead of forcing a number rating). It does require a thick skin and a certain sense of humor, so I'm not sure if the knowledge is worth the potential hit to self-esteem regardless of whether you're just being hard …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 04:53 PM
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Drilling down into the differences between the negative outcomes wasn't my point, it was correcting your original statement Men lie about being virgins, or purposely fail to disclose their virginity, in order to get sex. Also, not revealing personal info is an entirely separate issue from one's preferences in other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 07:14 PM
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It was kinda weird to see him laugh it off though, but then again he's pretty new to this level of media attention so that could have just been a deer in the headlights situation
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 06:52 PM
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the worst that happens when a man reveals that he’s a virgin is a verbal insult So again the point is that much like women, men also lie to avoid a negative outcome like being shamed. Which you didn't mention and instead framed as men solely having harmful intentions
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 06:47 PM
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Lol you missed the most obvious reason: both genders (defensively) lie about it to avoid embarrassment and being shamed. Especially men, because the term is mostly a gendered insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 06:22 PM
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No, it's the person's name! Why else would dating sites have it on the first line in bold letters?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 06:12 PM
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A trait being a necessary-but-not-sufficient dealbreaker still doesn't necessarily mean it's the most valued one. There could be another even bigger dealbreaker than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 06:09 PM
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The responses to that AITAH post were so unreal I'm almost starting to think they're contrived or something "You're an asshole for getting mad at your gf for flashing strangers at Mardi Gras even though she explicitly agreed not to. Women have bodily autonomy they can do what they want." What the flying fuck kinda logic is that lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 08:54 AM
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There's also a possibility that negging him is going to turn him off if he has options. I don't know anything about this guy but I'd suggest bringing up a topic or a hobby that you know you're more knowledgeable about than he is, to see how he deals with you being more competent. That might humble him and give you some insight on who he is as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 01:30 AM
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If you want him to "prove you wrong" then naturally that would imply challenging him on things he can actually change about himself or reasonably accomplish
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 01:17 AM
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Ultimate stealth and secrecy is no joke
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:12 PM
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people start dressing like ninjas
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:00 PM
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I have way too many pixels
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:58 PM
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Right but I'm saying don't those terms literally mean "masculine" and "feminine" by definition?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:48 PM
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Idk what super short hair cut you're referring to. Like Jamie Lee Curtis? Yeah that kind of hairstyle The butch lesbians I know are feminine af Then wouldn't that make them more femme and less butch than they think they are, almost by definition?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:40 PM
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Long hair has an absolutely huge effect IMO, that super short cut that a lot of women get when they hit their 40s/50s doesn't do them any favors I guess in general just look at how butch lesbians intentionally act/dress and do the opposite of that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:25 PM
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Also makes it hard to play certain instruments
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:42 PM
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Guaranteeing a resource that costs money like "free healthcare" also involves mandating that someone other than the recipient (healthcare providers) provide a service based on certain conditions. No individual doctor owes you free service in the same way that no individual person owes you friendship or a relationship on your terms. But health and relationships are both important resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 12:50 AM
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What's the term for a figure of speech that's been applied to the exact opposite of the thing it would otherwise literally describe An anti-metaphor? An ironic metaphor?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 11:15 PM
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"What's so bad about Stormfront?" "White people have opinions /s"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 10:59 PM
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It's an echo chamber where they ban you for having different opinions or pushing back against stereotypes You can't expect to benefit from front page publicity without putting up with front page criticism, that's trying to have it both ways
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 10:53 PM
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How would you be able to tell? If you see a man and a woman talking to each other it wouldn't necessarily register in your mind that he approached her with romantic intentions. It would just look like small talk from your POV. The only difference is that he might politely ask for her number at the end of the interaction before one of them leaves. Personally I'd be discreet about it and not do it in a situation where there are nosy people within earshot, but that's just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 08:44 PM
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Saying you know it's not all men is even worse IMO because that makes it a conscious choice to offend and not just actual ignorance. You could easily add one word to make the statement much less morally objectionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:13 PM
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Stereotypes aren't less harmful just because your motivation is "defensive" rather than offensive In fact even white supremacists and xenophobes use the self-defense/crime statistics rationale to make their views appear more palatable, and justify hating on immigration and foreigners by appealing to the need to protect their physical well-being among other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:11 PM
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Even worse is the ones where they just sit there with a blank expression while the person on the other side of the split screen is actually doing the thing
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:04 PM
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What's even weirder is reaction streamers who make their money from people watching people watch people eat
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 10:54 PM
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Sometimes standing still is better than either one "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 10:33 PM
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Obviously those environments are different from each other in principle, the point is that not every woman shares your opinion. In practice a lot of women will make exceptions for the right guy, such that "inappropriate" locations become "appropriate" temporarily. Hence the "is it OK or not OK?" confusion from inexperienced guys. There's a reason why so many couples meet at work, even though the #1 rule is "don't dip your pen in company ink." (Although I agree that the workplace specifically is …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 10:17 PM
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Lol fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 10:03 PM
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Right? I'm curious what OP was expecting to do with the information from all the comments from different individuals. If one woman had said "location A is fine but not location B," while another woman said "I prefer location B but not location A"...then were they just going to give up on both options forever? Or is this just a survey?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 09:14 PM
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The only good thing about that sub is that they don't outright ban people for pointing out bias or having heterodox opinions, unlike some other popular subs. At least not yet. Then again they do have a seemingly sneaky habit of locking posts at just the right time instead of deleting them, so that the top upvoted comments that align with mod opinions are set in stone for everyone to see but unable to respond to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 08:56 PM
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I feel like the first atom bomb might have been the Roe decision
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 08:47 PM
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Always is veering into AWALT territory. If those are her only two options, then giving up money and good looks (and even compatibility, to strengthen your hypothetical) in exchange for simply a more optimal age on paper seems too self-sacrificing just to prove a political point. Most people past 25 don't obsess about age gaps to that degree in real life like you see on the internet. Now if she found another 30 year old who could compete with the 40 year old in every area? Then yeah she'd be stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 09:53 PM
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You can it's just more difficult because having every option at your disposal is the ultimate test of self-control. People who win the lottery can also donate their money to charity and live the exact same lifestyle as before. But obviously that's not easy to accomplish nor is it easy to imagine as someone not in that position.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 09:40 PM
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It's just a motivational attitude. People often say "I want to become the best [insert job] in my industry." Like how competitive athletes say "I want to become the best basketball player in the league." Except even saying you want to become top 0.5% is more realistic than saying you want to become literally the top person. If you don't believe in yourself then how can you expect others to?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 09:34 PM
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If there's any "sacrificing" of social skills I'd say it's being willing to break social rules and take risks in order to land the date. Sometimes you gotta be "that guy" and come across as "creepy" to five people in order to meet the one person who likes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 06:52 PM
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There are small window up until adolescence where your social skills can be permanently impaired by you spending your time doing other things besides socializing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 06:50 PM
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How can you tell if he's never thrown a ball? From watching him throw something?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 12:40 AM
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Maybe not in your case, but a guy who can't catch or looks like he's never thrown a ball is a turn off for a lot of women. Even women who aren't athletic themselves. It's just a primal thing like having a square jaw or broad shoulders.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 12:34 AM
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In this situation the women who also watch or play the particular sport you play will be impressed (as long as you're better than they are). That's your niche. But I think most people in general think this way, certain sports are more popular and enjoy higher status than others (and therefore make you more money if you're good). It's like how playing the guitar makes you a bad ass but playing the recorder makes you look like a panhandler.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 12:29 AM
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I feel like there must be some kind of disconnect between my IRL friends and these terminally online people. People tend to hang out with other people like them with similar interests and values. (Attractive people tend to have attractive friends, athletes hang out with other athletes, etc.) Usually the odd ones out get made fun of or hide their deficiencies to fit in. So it's not especially surprising that all your IRL friends are a certain way in terms of dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 12:12 AM
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Western women who have lived in Japan or native Japanese women? I think you'll find there's a notable difference in their motivations for being single that wouldn't adequately explain the phenomenon in the former case.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 07:28 PM
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It does happen but it's not the norm, typically you have to be VERY outstanding in another area to make up for your looks
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 06:14 AM
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Normally that seems to be the case. But if they're both sitting at the same table at a dinner party, let's say, then she has no choice but to listen to his story and may even be impressed by him or realize he's an interesting/funny guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 06:00 AM
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But people focus on the actual Age as a sneaky way to imply that this behavior is inherent to people this age. You know, the same way they say “I don’t like group X because of Y” That's my biggest pet peeve with woke discourse, the idea that group stereotypes and -isms are only acceptable in one direction and not consistently. It's like OK, if we're going to be that pedantic about intersectionality, then there's literally no criticism you can weaponize against a 40 year old black man dating a 20…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:48 AM
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I don't see how it's a faulty comparison, every common argument used against age gaps can also be used against different race relationships. Some of the arguments even work against height gap relationships. There's nothing uniquely more dangerous about age difference compared to other variables like race, height, size, extroversion, level of fame, salary, etc. that result in power dynamics. People just exaggerate age difference for cultural and political reasons that don't stand up to the easies…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:00 AM
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If you believe that age gap friendships aren't that weird then age gap relationships shouldn't be either. Since you've already established that people of different ages can have things in common and relate, the only additional step that's required is the physical attraction. And we all know people are attracted to different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 04:47 AM
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A man with stories is usually interesting Some women are attracted to men just based on them being interesting alone So it depends If you mean platonically then being a good storyteller is never a bad thing
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 03:32 AM
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Well yeah it's bad when either gender does it, that's my point lol Also there's a difference between stating your preference and shitting on people who aren't your preference
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:51 AM
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It's comically easy to have a health (19-21) BMI as a woman Being skinny isn't always enough for a woman to be attractive though, you can't work out your face. Bone structure and body frame are also a thing. And women tend to be more judged on their physical attractiveness as a percentage of the "total package."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:49 AM
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That's kinda weird, like a dude bragging about not dating fat girls It's fine to have preferences, just don't be obnoxious about them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:41 AM
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Men rate on bodies more than the face (which is why butterface is a thing) Isn't it the opposite? I thought the point of butterface ("BUT her face...") was to highlight how having a nice body doesn't make up for an unfortunate face.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:55 AM
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Yeah the ratio does depend a lot on the specific activity
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 10:29 PM
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If you are are single with no kids, what’s really stopping you from doing basically anything you want? It’s not like this stuff has an age limit on it. There is kind of an unspoken "social age limit" on a lot of activities. People will think you're weird if you're "that old guy at the club/yoga class/arcade" for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 10:21 PM
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Yes that's true. But surely marrying a super rich man will put you in a considerably better position of privilege to make your own money, if you so desired. The social connections you potentially gain from that are just as life changing as the tangibles.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 04:46 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 04:41 AM
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Why would I marry someone rich when I could just get rich on my own? Because it's not easy to just become rich? Because if wealth is what we want, it’s far better to make it on our own than depend on someone else for it Under ideal conditions, sure. But then you're also lumping in personal ambition with wealth. If wealth alone is what you want, then it's better to have someone's wealth than none at all after trying and failing. It wouldn't matter how you got it, if we interpret that statement li…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 04:34 AM
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