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She’s not yours, it’s just your turn. Never forget that.
/r/ExRedPill08/05/22 12:04 AM
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You have to ask yourself - why does it matter? If she’s a STBX, then both of you are about to live whatever reality makes sense. NPD/BPD goes under diagnosed because it’s really difficult to discern who’s reality is “right” and by nature, those people are really good at protecting their version of reality at all costs. Something you don’t need during a divorce with an NPD/BPD. At this point, give up on being “right” and concentrate on what the law says you’re both entitled to.
/r/Divorce_Men28/10/21 09:12 AM
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Yeah. Freedom. It cost me 4 years, $250k, untold opportunities lost, sanity living out of my car or with room mates, plus another $500k over the next 15 years. But freedom from a terrible relationship is worth every ounce of sacrifice.
/r/Divorce_Men28/10/21 03:24 AM
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Anthrax’s song Finalé on State of Euphoria is the ultimate divorce song. https://youtu.be/s4-0JEPSrvk
/r/Divorce_Men27/10/21 08:08 AM
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After my pretty nasty (unnecessarily) divorce, I had to deal with an almost hatred (red pill rage) of women. But the more I did on myself and the more I practiced owning my own destiny, it's crazy but I started attracting better quality women, having more fun on dates, became a better lover, and now have multiple partners with the freedom to be myself with my own pursuits. I'm not looking towards the "next one" - ro looking for someone to make me anything. I also started to actually understand t…
/r/Divorce_Men25/10/21 04:03 PM
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+1 to Dr. Glover's very important book - No More Mr. Nice Guy. It's such an important resource for men going through any kind of internal self work. It has so many applications outside fo romantic relationships too.
/r/Divorce_Men25/10/21 03:56 PM
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You bet, brother. Just remember - all of this is a practice. That means you have to put it into practice, learn, research, try new things with new people. We're told by society that if you put yourself first, then you're selfish and that's somehow bad. However, when you really think about it, there's no one else who can or will lobby for your needs. Just you have to assume she's going to lobby for what she needs. Of course society, women, your boss, etc. want to insert their needs into yours. Bu…
/r/Divorce_Men25/10/21 03:18 PM
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Not sure what kind of encouragement you’re willing to hear in this state but a.) I’ve been through this and came out the other side 1000% better, more authentic, integral man and you will too and b.) IMO the only way to get through it is through the hard work of getting through it. What that means for different men can be different, but once you’re ready to truly move on, spend the time learning the true nature of human relationship dynamics and how to be an authentic man - not this fairytale so…
/r/Divorce_Men25/10/21 02:43 PM
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I’m living my best life after divorce and it only cost me a million dollars! What a steal!
/r/Divorce_Men09/09/21 09:49 AM
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“BuT yOu’Ll DiE aLoNe”
/r/Divorce_Men09/09/21 09:48 AM
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Good to hear! Same here. Every measure of life improved. Crazy how that works.
/r/Divorce_Men08/09/21 10:29 AM
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Nah, don’t bother. The only way to win an unwinnable game is to simply not play.
/r/MensRights20/08/21 10:28 AM
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Congratulations brother. Fwiw your kids will also look up to their dad who decided his boundaries/sanity and their safety are most important. Good luck on your new life.
/r/Divorce_Men16/08/21 02:27 AM
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Just a non-committal ass appointment once a week, on rotation. Some cuddles and sweet nothings on special occasions for the really good ones. No nagging or manipulation. Simple. Edit: required attributes - sexy, feminine, and witty. Politics, social causes, food choices, religion - don’t matter.
/r/MensRights09/08/21 06:57 AM
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I don’t agree with the poster who says look at the way your mom treated him. I’m as redpill as they come and know all too well about divorce and derelict parents, but nothing good will come from you essentially armchair quarterbacking their failed relationship in hindsight - especially as a 15 year old. Just remember you don’t owe him anything either. If you’re angry, be angry. If you’re disappointed, be that. If he sneezes the wrong way, you have the right to bail on that relationship. But if y…
/r/MensRights06/08/21 11:26 AM
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I mean it’s just a harmless question, right? I mean there has to be a good reason (that completely abdicates female responsibility) for the way men are pushing back on the notions their sheer existence is evil. This clown society can figure how to snake its own drains, hunt its own food, fight its own wars.
/r/MGTOW231/07/21 03:54 PM
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The only thing I learned from that article is the sweet irony of that psychiatrists hatred and resentment of men.
/r/MGTOW231/07/21 03:43 PM
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Men when are we going to start unplugging from these clown societies? Make your money and move. The legal system, “education” system, the deranged, entitled, narcissistic, professional victim industrial complex... let Rome burn.
/r/MensRights28/07/21 10:18 AM
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Hell I’d rather mentor and befriend a dude who actually wants to be a dude over a white Knight beta who wants to be a door mat and just happened to be born male.
/r/MGTOW227/07/21 12:46 AM
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You bet. I appreciate the art of it my man and no judgements from me. I just like to help my more morose brothers on here realize this shit isn’t all that serious and are what we think, speak and act. I even stopped (or catch myself) now thinking things like “I’m sick and tired of..” The universe is continuously conspiring with our thoughts, speech, actions and it only knows one answer. “Yes”. The practice is - don’t feed it something you don’t want it to agree with and deliver to you.
/r/MGTOW226/07/21 10:41 AM
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Brother, first ditch the flowery language. Seriously. Too many MGTOW are too serious, extreme, and choose to stay in a state of damaged - and it generally shows in our actions, words, thoughts. Especially in the beginning of the journey. Next, because you asked and it’s related, you have to practice, this stuff. Do first, confidence later. Practice working out to raise your testosterone and confidence. Practice meditation to allow mindfulness and quiet in. Practice getting a handle on your money…
/r/MGTOW226/07/21 08:19 AM
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What it sounds like you’re missing is that it’s an imperative that they at least pursue the opportunity because women do the subtle choosing, men do the approaching. That’s the dance. Now, granted, some guys don’t have the social skills to respond to “Hey, nice shirt!” or they might get caught off guard and lay it on thick. They usually don’t know what to do when women are more overt. At which point, you say “Oh I’m off the market, but I’m just a shirt appreciator and I don’t think guys get enou…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 12:01 PM
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If you look like George Clooney or have a yacht, we’ll then yes she absolutely is flirting 🤣 Seriously though it’s about your frame and confidence. If she strikes a conversation, yes I will assume it’s a choosing signal because it potentially is. If she shuts down or outright says “oh I was just making small talk..” then ok - that’s cool too. Rejection is your friend, hell it’s funny. Just converse like a normal human and have a slightly flirtatious/confident, outcome-independent frame in life e…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 11:52 AM
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That came up on a date? Damn. That’s why you just bang it out until she pulls that shit and then peace out.
/r/MGTOW219/07/21 08:49 PM
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You kidding? The 40’s women are the worst. I got booted from that sub for even asking (pretty cordially) why they still think they can have kids in their 40’s. That’s a bunch of grizzled, delusional, entitled, haggard, leathered, worn out, wall hit, motherfuckers right there.
/r/MGTOW212/07/21 11:25 PM
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I believe Herero men need male friends. It’s not toxic to learn from each other, be vulnerable, get into scuffs, sharpen your wit, build stuff, be a little competitive, teach you more about your male nature. Female friends on the other hand. What do you receive from the interaction if not sex, knowledge you can actually use, skills, competition that you can actually win, etc.? I’m not talking about casual female acquaintances, coworkers, the girlfriends of your buddies, or the like. It’s simple …
/r/MGTOW210/07/21 03:45 PM
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I pulled up to a bar last night solo for some ribs and a few beers, watch a game. Place was packed so another younger solo dude pulled up, order his drink and was sighing heavily. He engaged me to ask how the ribs were (they were amazing) - and proceeded to complain about how his girlfriend doesn’t let him eat food like that, doesn’t like when he goes to the bar afterwork, hates his truck, etc. His girls blowing up his phone at the bar. He asked what he should do and told him I lost everything d…
/r/MGTOW210/07/21 03:33 PM
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I didn’t hire her, but did “unprofessionally” cuddle with a professional cuddler a few times (our little inside joke). Contrary to what you might think, that is an actual skill and it doesn’t involve sex. That was apparently my job. She started as a hospice nurse, found it too depressing, said prostituting was too dangerous and preferred more intimacy, when she discovered the cuddling gig. It was kind of fascinating to learn about from her. She’s cuddle old ladies, people had lost loved ones, me…
/r/MGTOW210/07/21 03:15 PM
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It’s not even about false bravado or machismo. It’s an opportunity for us to take radical responsibility for our happiness, our decisions, mistakes. Not need to blame, shame or ruminate - just embrace the fact that happiness (and therefore unhappiness) generates from within. It’s actually YOURS! That’s worth rejoicing - you have the power to make yourself happy. It’s impossible and unfair to expect anyone else to do it for you. With that attitude, the only logical conclusion becomes clear - go s…
/r/Divorce_Men09/07/21 03:56 PM
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What is this garbage advice? I mean you can go this Mormon route or you could just bang out 50-100 fresh new poa’a straight out of your divorce to get your head on straight. You’re the freaking king here. Acting like that no wonder men get cheated on. Law of impermanence, fella - nothings forever. Get over whatever pain and hurt you have quickly because all that ass won’t slay itself. No one will ever reach their death bed saying “I really regret having so much sex after my divorce”..
/r/Divorce_Men09/07/21 12:03 AM
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I know you’re exaggerating for effect, but she didn’t say he was a sack of shit. My point is - I think as men we could stand to be a little less hyperbolic and more equanimous in these conversations too. Remember, no one in this life owes us anything. Not friendship, not kindness, not even cordiality. The golden rule (do onto others..) is a great aspiration for you to practice, but there’s no expectation that others will share it. That’s is, if you and another person walk the same path for a whi…
/r/MGTOW224/06/21 08:24 PM
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Sorry bud - the “royal you”... meant for the gen pop on here with the weird redpill rage / religious stuff.
/r/MGTOW222/06/21 10:27 PM
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I just don’t understand the Jesus and sin and the “pair binding” angle. Guys that ship has sailed. Here’s a secret - your grandma was no saint either. They hid promiscuity. Some of these guys aren’t paying attention here to what this Reddit’s about. Monogamy is about as natural as pink hair on these chicks. Stop expecting anything, from anyone. You pedestalize and worship these women and then when they inevitably disappoint you, you denigrate them. That’s YOUR problem. YOUR disappointment. Not t…
/r/MGTOW222/06/21 10:09 PM
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Without fornication you wouldn’t be here. The birds and bees wouldn’t be here. Trees wouldn’t be here. Jesus has nothing to do with formication or most of these guys insecurities. Just wrap it before you slap it... you know what I’m saying.
/r/MGTOW222/06/21 10:01 PM
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:popcorn: The only answer is go out there and slay as much ass as possible so that it’s no big deal. And and don’t ask / don’t tell. Oh and stop girlfriending/wifing up these women. Trust me, Jesus won’t mind.
/r/MGTOW222/06/21 11:01 AM
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ALL dating women between 21-60 know about this stuff. Do yourself a favor and read “Power to the Pussy”. This stuff has been out there since your grandma was covertly and demurely locking down your grandpa decades ago. They’re just more brazen and emboldened now. OP has come to grips with female nature like many of us monks. I’m actually amused by it these days - just this weekend I was hit on by a bride to be in her bachelorette party because she “left her wallet at the hotel but needs a drink”…
/r/MGTOW215/06/21 02:24 AM
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Just get into a rhythm, learn proper and safe form to your exercises, prioritize lower weights at higher reps so you can really connect the mind and the muscles being worked.
/r/MGTOW210/06/21 10:32 PM
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That’s funny because I see more guys on here actually talking about bettering themselves, driving towards their goals, and side stepping society rather than how to entrap/lockdown/manipulate a partner into giving up all their resources. So no, not like FDS.
/r/MGTOW208/06/21 12:05 PM
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I think critical X theories come from a deep insecurity, detachment from humanity, scarcity mindset, zero-sum thinking, narcissism, and self-loathing. They don’t want everyone to share in each other’s merits, they’re incapable of being congratulatory, self reflecting, self responsible, constructive or equanimous. It’s like crabs in a barrel or the thinking that a second candle next to theirs only diminishes it.
/r/MGTOW208/06/21 12:00 PM
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Nah, I wouldn’t. You don’t need any more confirmation that MGTOW is the way. The place will have you looking at your grandma like a who-er.
/r/MGTOW207/06/21 10:48 PM
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Don’t cold approach. Let them choose you. Learn the signals.
/r/seduction06/06/21 11:16 PM
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Nice word game. Very “manly”. As if I’d let an actual crime go on in front me.
/r/MensRights06/06/21 06:31 PM
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Side step this bullshit by not playing. Fine ladies, that’s what you want? A fish on a bicycle, you say? The good men will leave you perfectly alone and keep all their wealth, resources, sanity, integrity, productivity, focus, creativity, construction for themselves. Oh and won’t be protecting you from the actually extremely rare violent offenders in our society. Have fun out there.
/r/MensRights06/06/21 12:43 PM
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Crippling insecurity. I legit feel bad.
/r/MGTOW205/06/21 11:28 PM
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Don’t pick them up, let them pick you up. The twist - they don’t do it overtly. Learn the signals - the glances, hair flips, etc. Women like to choose you but coyly. They invite you to hit on them. If you’re just trying to pick up everything you see without those signals, you’re potentially wasting a lot of time and effort on women who may just not be available for that.
/r/seduction05/06/21 08:32 PM
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Grats!
/r/seduction05/06/21 02:09 AM
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Dare I ask OP, how old are you roughly? Teens? If your date is any older than her teens, she’s not going to play games and might actively get freaked out by a picnic as a first date. First dates are usually somewhere public, where either of you can bail if you’re not feeling it. Dating is about romantic discovery, a dynamic between a masculine and a feminine energy. (Doesn’t have to be man/woman) I’m not saying you have to be the terminator and I want to be careful here because I don’t know your…
/r/seduction04/06/21 05:49 PM
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And stuff like hitting the gym, self care, nice shoes, a car you’re proud of, meditation, quitting social media, finding a hobby, starting a side hustle, saying no to people when you need to, etc. are all accelerants. It’s never a big change that improves your life - it’s typically little continuous improvements. Pick something cheap and simple that would kickstart this. If you got up at 4:30am every day and worked on a business or did some art, in a year you’d be a badass at that thing. Stuff l…
/r/seduction02/06/21 08:03 PM
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Some good advice here - eg not needing to “perform” or be on. Also realize and appreciate it for what it is. You were just minding your business and they just gave you a compliment. You said thank you. Why does it need to be anything more? And what you’re doing now seems healthy - getting curious about your reaction. Nothing wrong or bad here at all! Besides, guys don’t usually get random compliments from strangers - some women are trying to change that but your reaction isn’t abnormal. What can…
/r/seduction02/06/21 07:49 PM
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Dude, glory years?! Man life gets BETTER after 30 for guys IF you have your priorities straight. If you take care of your mind, body, spirit, finances, and travel, invest in self, etc. - you should be a continuously improving version every day. I’m 45 and every aspect of life is better than in my 20’s.
/r/seduction02/06/21 03:37 PM
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Stop watching, buying, patronizing, supporting, and otherwise caring about this clown society that doesn’t give three shits and piss about you. Start doing something else constructive with your time, money and energy. These actors who let themselves get punched in the dick for laughs can continue to pander to the cheap seats while you build an empire and increase your worth as a constructive human. Then see who gets the laugh.
/r/MensRights01/06/21 03:57 AM
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First you have to realize the truth and take radical responsibility - happiness (and therefore unhappiness) generates from inside YOU. No one is able to make you happy or unhappy. They will inevitably do things to disappoint you or even actively hurt you - but your happiness is yours. No one else’s. The sooner you practice this simple universal truth, the sooner you will be able to truly know real happiness.
/r/Divorce_Men01/06/21 01:32 AM
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I’m pretty healthily red pilled, but if OP’s getting the results that make him feel good and keeps his boundaries/standards in tact, then no harm. If you are legitimately that busy running your empires that you can’t do something clever or special, it could mean the difference between pulling an easy 6 or 7 and an 8 or 9. So good for OP. I would just advise dudes to stay authentic but not too available/agreeable with stuff like this.
/r/seduction31/05/21 12:13 PM
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I have a possibly less conventional reason for this. I don’t think most women are able to take responsibility for their failures in a marriage and if it’s one thing Reddit is great for, it’s people holding up the mirror to one’s bullshit. Men on the other hand may not be ready for the feedback they get, but I think they’re more likely to seek it because they want to improve or avoid the same situations. Most divorce_men posts I see are pretty open and candid about what happened, even when it’s u…
/r/Divorce_Men31/05/21 01:50 AM
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Oh well in that case.. yeah many states if she has (and you can prove) she’s living with someone, you can have the court stop alimony. That’s just alimony, not child support.
/r/Divorce_Men29/05/21 05:47 PM
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Should certainly affect alimony if that’s a consideration.
/r/Divorce_Men29/05/21 02:36 PM
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This. Stay lean and simple. Get out as fast as you can. Offer mediation or court ordered consultation. Give up hope on anything feeling fair. None of will be fair. Money and stuff can be regained. Make out with your sanity and equanimity.
/r/Divorce_Men26/05/21 11:20 PM
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Or you could just go your own way. The only way to win a rigged game is not to play. The only way to counter crazy is walk away. There is nothing to gain and everything to lose by engaging and getting entangled with entitled, delusional, zero-sum, narcissistic, lack-mindset, professional-victim, woke emotional vampires.
/r/MensRights26/05/21 10:54 AM
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What benefits are there to having a female friend that twists your knickers like this? For all we know, she’s trying to get a rise out of OP. Regardless, most female “friends” are more hassle and distraction than benefit to a busy man.
/r/MensRights24/05/21 10:47 AM
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Slow down young buck. Why does this chick have any real estate in your head? Take her mental gymnastics, inconsistency and opportunistic feminism for what it is. You can’t argue crazy with sanity. Just nod and say “mmm that’s interesting”.. Guys need to stop listening to woman like it’s some shock that they inconsistently want preferential treatment, safety, security. I actually feel bad for many young women. They’re at war with themselves. They’re being taught by their harpy aunts and feminist …
/r/MensRights24/05/21 10:42 AM
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As others have said - Alimony is straight extortive theft, grift and wealth redistribution. But I think child or spousal support, the only real constructive path forward seems to be see it as a freedom tax and an opportunity to educate your kid about money matters (hopefully without demonizing your ex). Try to use this situation to pass a lesson on - setting boundaries, not getting entangled with the state, maybe an investment app that you “both” put money into for his future (since his moms pot…
/r/Divorce_Men20/05/21 05:06 PM
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In 2014, there was a movie, Divorce Corp. that stated the US family law industry was a $50 Billion a year. Do you mean to tell me that with the increase in divorces, the decline of retail businesses like Zales and David’s Bridal - that the marriage side nets $500 billion a year? That’s 10x. Sorry, but I’m gonna need to see some data on that one.
/r/Divorce_Men17/05/21 06:19 AM
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Congratulations! Hopefully I can help kickstart with my learnings.. What I did after I left my 22 year marriage (my choice too, same deal) - become a student of human interaction and use dating as a way to learn more about yourself rather with the pressure to find a mate. Dating is about discovery. So learn what your boundaries are, where you’re willing to stretch, and just have fun. Therapy is a good investment at this stage even if you’re not sad/depressed because talk therapy can help you wor…
/r/Divorce_Men16/05/21 11:11 PM
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Are you divorced? If not, marriage IS inherently bad for one of the litigants. It’s not about love and diamond rings. That’s the wedding. Marriage is a contract with the state. A business partnership with big brother. Has nothing to do with your or her success as a couple. In fact, the divorce industrial complex is a multi billion a year enterprise incentivized to extract as much time, money and energy from you as possible and keep one of you off the state’s welfare dole.
/r/Divorce_Men16/05/21 12:22 PM
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So there in lies your clue - super rich people have ways to make it less desirable to litigate. They hide assets in trusts, LLC’s, liens on their own properties - so when the gold diggers lawyer does discovery, they know you’ve gone through great lengths to hide or obfuscate your situation. They usually settle or not even take the case because the lawyer knows they’re not going to get paid. Most people are not super rich and have these protections in place. Hence most prenups aren’t worth the pa…
/r/Divorce_Men16/05/21 12:17 PM
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Why are you even married again? I don’t understand this at all. What benefits do you (or she) get from being married at this point? It’s still going to cost you thousands to even get amicably divorced; even if you were the one in a zillion lucky guys to figure out “the perfect way to get married”.
/r/Divorce_Men16/05/21 12:13 PM
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But marriage IS the problem. It’s a contract with the state - as one guy above puts it - rewards a woman for breaking it. It’s a business deal where your partner is incentivized to cheat, embezzle, lie, and litigate. It’s not a constructive union any longer. The person you marry is not the one you will divorce. You have no idea who that future person is.
/r/Divorce_Men16/05/21 12:07 PM
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Point taken. She could have also deleted as a “fuck you” if she really thought she was trying to help guys with some hope of a virtuous woman. Oh well, either way. I know my strategy doesn’t change. No marriage, no cohabitation, no kids, proceed with extreme caution.
/r/MGTOW216/05/21 12:01 PM
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This guy fucks. Listen to him young brothers.
/r/Divorce_Men15/05/21 06:06 PM
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So you would get a plane that had a near certainty of crashing?
/r/Divorce_Men15/05/21 10:55 AM
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You can have your head in clouds. Just remember that your feet are on the ground. Men suffer when we’re ignorant of our true nature, and the true nature of women. I’d say never let your standards and boundaries lower. But know that the biological imperatives that drive men, women and the dynamic between the two are right out in the open when we care to see. You need only to understand and navigate this nature - not try to change it or interfere.
/r/MGTOW215/05/21 10:49 AM
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Damn this is a first. A woman coming to a MGTOW Reddit to neg another woman. I’m about as crimson pilled as it gets, but she wasn’t trying to convince anyone here that she’s the ultimate partner. She was trying to “give us hope” (to which many of corrected with the laws the problem) and has seemed to take responses in stride.
/r/MGTOW215/05/21 10:43 AM
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I’m going to assume she is what she says and that she’s not “virtue signaling”. Her post seems authentic and and not like she’s trying to snag a MGTOW guy on this Reddit. But I take this guys point too - that does happen too. And NO PERSON is a unicorn. Everyone will eventually change, evolve, disappoint someone. No one deserves, nor should want to be pedestalized or worshipped. And I’m willing to give her the benefit of best intentions.
/r/MGTOW215/05/21 10:36 AM
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They call it “toxic” these days but the proof - “Not even sure how to feel about this whole ordeal” If you had take one or two of them out and even gotten your ass kicked, you’d feel damn accomplished and proud of yourself. A little sore by now and may need some dental work, but proud.
/r/MGTOW215/05/21 10:29 AM
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Comrade, welcome. Your purpose isn’t one thing that you find. It’s a continuous process that unfolds the next step. Just try things, follow your instincts (not what others tell you you should do), start creating the picture of what you like and what you’re good at (or not). But purpose is ongoing. Don’t look for an ending point, just start the journey with the trust that you’ll figure it out several times in your life.
/r/MGTOW215/05/21 03:23 AM
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I’m from the “a coward dies a thousand deaths, a man only dies once” school on this one. At this point, it’s not about the girl. These fucks tried to tuff you in your own car. Fuck that. You may not get al three of them but you throat punch one and the rest will think twice. Otherwise, you risk replaying this scene in your head a thousand times.
/r/MGTOW215/05/21 03:16 AM
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Fuck burn.
/r/MGTOW215/05/21 03:01 AM
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I remember a date taking me to brunch the morning after a hangout and dinner. When the check came, she nabbed it, put in her card and did a flirty smile and handed the bill back to the waitress. The waitress was about my dates age (15 years younger than me) and gave me a nasty look followed with an under breathe snark. My date said “this is payment for the dinner and absolute cocking he gave me last night” and everyone around us laughed the waitress back to her station.
/r/MGTOW215/05/21 02:59 AM
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I appreciate your list and you for coming onto this Reddit with positivity. The problem isn’t simply that women are flawed and should just do better by men. It’s that the laws around marriage and cohabitation are grossly corrupted, unfair and were created in a time when women couldn’t vote, work and didn’t have access to education so if they became single, they were “used goods” and usually relied on the state welfare for the rest of their lives. Society has arguably, thankfully gotten more equa…
/r/MGTOW215/05/21 02:41 AM
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Well you can be sad at the truth but we’ll see you back in this thread again if you get married again. Everyone thinks they’re going to be the lucky one. Lifelong bliss. Men need to stop seeking something they can’t give you. Women can’t love you the way you’re talking about. Sure, have relationships. Hell, I love love. But marriage ain’t about love. It’s a contract with the state. And in many insane states now, all it takes is for you to move in together for 3 months and you’re common law marri…
/r/Divorce_Men15/05/21 02:29 AM
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Wrong. I personally know if 3 people who’s “bullet proof” prenups were thrown out.
/r/Divorce_Men14/05/21 10:53 PM
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Would you take off in a plane that had a 75% chance of crashing? Yes. Never get married.
/r/Divorce_Men14/05/21 10:51 PM
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The men blaming women will hopefully progress from that and take responsibility for their part of the breakdown. YES AND - the message to never get married under any circumstances still stands. The multi-billion dollar per year divorce industrial complex is extremely adept at stealing resources from BOTH parties and destroying men’s financial and emotional lives especially all in service of even the potential of keeping the woman off the dole of the state via alimony. Alimony in the age of equal…
/r/Divorce_Men14/05/21 10:48 PM
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Prenups are NOT BULLETPROOF. Guys, get educated and quick. In most divorce courts are infiltrated by feminist judges and lawyers, and there’s enough precedent of prenups getting overruled, overturned or flat rejected due to the spouse claiming it was signed under “duress”. Until the industrial divorce complex changes materially, the ONLY way to not get burned is to NOT GET MARRIED, COHABITATE OR HAVE CHILDREN WITH WOMEN. Period. There are no unicorns, no princesses, no protections, no “my girls …
/r/Divorce_Men14/05/21 10:41 PM
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Yes just catalog and chronicle everything. Because if she’s a liar, then what else is she capable of in order to not take responsibility for her actions? Emptying your bank account? Ramming your car into a school bus? Framing you for domestic abuse? False allegations of impropriety? Document everything and get a lawyer to quietly get you out.
/r/Divorce_Men14/05/21 05:49 PM
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Dude. Record it clearly and gather your research on the side (quietly), TALK TO A FEW LAYWERS IMMEDIATELY, and then ask her CALMLY if she could explain that behavior. Don’t rise to anger - invite her to tell you the truth because lying would just insult your intelligence. Don’t tell her you talked to a lawyer but do calmly show her your research (minus the gps). If you suspect something and you’re not overly paranoid/insecure, then chances are good somethings going on. Don’t try to fight or cont…
/r/Divorce_Men14/05/21 04:25 PM
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More people need to understand this universal law. No one is responsible for, nor can MAKE you, happy or unhappy. Happiness and unhappiness are generated from within. My relationships are so much richer and fulfilling now that I don’t expect anything from women. They’re not your mother, your therapist, your buddy, your possession, your soothing blankie. They’re not heroes, goddesses, princesses, or worthy of worshiping or pedestalizing. They’re human, flawed, imperfect and can’t love you the way…
/r/Divorce_Men13/05/21 10:00 PM
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Yeah well she can fuck right off.
/r/Divorce_Men13/05/21 07:11 PM
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Four weeks away from finalizing. You said it all. I nothing her. No hate, no shame, no pain. My life has already drastically improved and I’m a man in the rise.
/r/Divorce_Men12/05/21 09:25 PM
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It’s just like our egos. The more you try to get rid of it, the more present it becomes. What would it look like if you integrated the want? Would you get curious about where it comes from? Would you be able to place a specific experience you’d hope to get? Where’s the desire come from? What actions will you take to get it? How might you get that need met consciously, mindfully so that you neither deprive nor get addicted? Look no doubt, women can be dangerous toys to play with. But there is alw…
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 10:29 PM
1

HAAAAAAA you had me goin there for a minute.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 07:56 PM
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You have to literally move out of the country, expatriate, and change your name. Which is always on the table, but ironically costs a lot of money.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 02:16 PM
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That’s because equality isn’t what they want.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 03:55 AM
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Dude not to be insulting but you’re really not paying attention. Even if she calmly signs the prenup, they can claim that it was done under duress and it’ll be deprecated. Anything to keep her from taking responsibility.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 03:49 AM
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And I’m happy a young brother is saved.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 03:45 AM
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Or just never get married and be a multimillionaire at 40.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 03:44 AM
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No kids or assets here either and I’m $100k in the hole AND will end up paying her $500k for the rest of her life in alimony. This thread is really bumming me out because it was the same shit I told myself 15 years ago to justify marriage. Consider this a scared straight intervention.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 03:43 AM
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Omg more bad advice. You guys are killing me here. The court sees this as you both improving each other’s living standards (even if you’re the earner) and the longer you’re married, the more alimony you owe for longer period. Please read this until it sinks in everyone - there is NO good case for marriage at ANY age under ANY circumstances. Period. There’s no trick door. No unicorns. No clever way around it. Not for the future kids sake. Not for the insurance premiums. Not for the sex. No. Good.…
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 03:39 AM
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Oh man. I don’t want to insult you, but you’re really not paying attention to reality. We’ll see you back here in 10 years and $200k later.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 03:32 AM
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Wrong dude. They’ve seen all of this before. During discovery they find EVERYTHING you own, owned, might own, should have owned, thought about owning... you’ve been warned.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 03:29 AM
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Sorry the risks are too great. Prenups and trusts are not bulletproof protection. Child support is not the same as alimony and don’t forget the incentives of this divorce and family court industrial complex. It’s to redistribute wealth from you to the lawyers, then the courts, then to your ex, then to your creditors, then to your kids if you have any. They would rather financially destroy you to ensure your ex (and children) don’t possibly take from the government dole. This is a system that’s r…
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 03:24 AM
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Nope they all seem to have the same thing in common. And that ain’t sense.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 03:06 AM
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Do you have proof that it’s fake? Outrageous, yes. But fake? Because there are several of the same stories that are also real and just as horrifying.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 03:04 AM
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Well don’t discount the fact that shit like this is a.) buried and b.) “glad I’m not THAT guy” Most Texans are too busy with their own shit to rise up against anything but an embargo on beef. This requires some celebrities, politicians, and a whole lot of grassroots activism - which smartly by the opposition, will paint them as a mob of misogynists.
/r/MGTOW205/05/21 08:00 PM
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Fuck labels and good on you. Go your own way OP. Free as a birrrrddd
/r/MGTOW205/05/21 07:56 PM
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Hey he can’t prove he WASNT in your guts
/r/MGTOW205/05/21 12:12 PM
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Bingo. Without the court industrial system, there would be no judges. When the law is unjust, then there isn’t any law.
/r/MGTOW205/05/21 12:08 PM
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We need celebrities and politicians to stop simping and join the fight. No shortage of those getting taken to the cleaners.
/r/MGTOW205/05/21 12:07 PM
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And no this sub, along all MGTIW, gets a “bad rap” because society would rather us stfu, keep producing and providing for them, while they take and exploit us. THATS why we get a bad rap.
/r/MGTOW205/05/21 02:58 AM
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Oh I’m aware of the sidebar and rules here. No rules were broken. This post is a warning to young men and they need to know what’s possible.
/r/MGTOW205/05/21 02:50 AM
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Disagree. Young men new to MGTOW need to know that there are truly vexatious, delusional, entitled, desperate, evil women on the planet and if they’ve never encountered one, they are lucky because the court system is profiting from and perpetuating this abuse as well.
/r/MGTOW205/05/21 12:39 AM
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Lol
/r/MGTOW204/05/21 08:57 PM
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The state will do everything, including steal a man’s future, in order to prevent a woman from taking any responsibility for her actions. Even without children, the divorce court industrial complex, a 90 billion a year, vexatious, unjust legacy (il)legal system is geared towards redistributing wealth from men to the lawyers, court itself, and finally the woman. Anything to keep woman off the dole and feeding the rapacious revenge machine. There’s your strong, independent, educated sisters.. oh y…
/r/PussyPass04/05/21 01:19 AM
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Just say thanks for the warm wishes dad... And then proceed to do whatever fuck you will. Your parents have no idea what marriage, cohabitation, divorce, narcissism, etc. have turned into in the western world. You know they’re really going to take comfort in? When you buy your huge ass mansion with the parents suite that you bought with all the money you smartly invested over the years. You might have many “partners” - but you’re not going to be a statistic as one of the 80% of relationships fai…
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 09:46 PM
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$150k spent just defending myself from vexatious divorce court abuse, 4 years of my life just trying to give her everything, 500k in alimony over the next 15 years if she doesn’t remarry, no kids and no assets. But guess what - I smile every fucking day now. Money is just money. It’s paper and you can always make more if you’re smart and capable. True wealth is in freedom and peace.
/r/MGTOW230/04/21 08:54 AM
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Time. Many of us are grinding. Hustles. Side hustles. Hobbies. And actually, if you hire a real professional, they will clean your shit so good you won’t want to fuck it up.
/r/MGTOW230/04/21 08:46 AM
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Please don’t do that. “Who hurt you?” is as patronizing as “hey little lady” at the car dealership. Of course he’s been hurt. We’ve all been there. As for brother OP. It’s your right to hate (feel disappointed, disgusted, etc.) in anyone you want, whenever you want and for as long as you want. No one can or should stop you. We’re all on different stretches of roughly the same journey. I think what you see from your Zen bullshitters, is that they’ve come to a place of choosing acceptance of natur…
/r/MGTOW229/04/21 11:32 AM
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Feminists should love us. Where does all this date rape happen? On dates. We don’t do that. Where does all this domestic violence happen? With cohabitation, kids and marriage. Nope, not doing that either. All that sexist treatment in the workforce? We’re investing (or should be) all that cash we save to become entrepreneurs, empire builders and producers out in the world instead of takers and professional victims. We’re the best thing to happen to feminism since the pants suit, Subaru foresters …
/r/MGTOW228/04/21 11:13 AM
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Well there’s inclusivity for you I guess.
/r/MGTOW228/04/21 11:06 AM
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That’s how distorted your reality is. You think it’s about attention-seeking. It’s the opposite. Most of us want peace, quiet, freedom, equanimity. We’re over ourselves and you too.
/r/MGTOW228/04/21 11:04 AM
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You are actually in a MGTOW sub, actually replying with unsolicited demands that we go our own way, in a sub where we are actually trying to go our own way. And here’s another rationality bomb that’s not going to work out well for those who like to use false equivalencies and logical fallacies. Contrary to popular belief, because men are actually going their own way, it’s not a “movement” where there are centralized leaders who control what their brothers do. As such, I don’t control, and won’t …
/r/MGTOW228/04/21 10:54 AM
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You have to u deter and that freshly hurt and angry guys still need support and care from us guys who have made it to the other side to radical acceptance of human nature. They’ll get there eventually, what may sound hateful to you right now is one guys building block. His stepping stone to sorting it all out and finding some peace.
/r/MGTOW227/04/21 11:49 PM
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We’re trying and yet you’re following. I mean stay as long as you like and say what you want. Most of us are actually trying to live in peace and help a fellow man out with support they’re not going to get from the rest of society. I don’t go into r/feminism or r/WGTOW and try to tell them how to think or feel. Most of us are actually trying to go our own way and we’re still getting chased down trying to walk on the other side of the sidewalk.
/r/MGTOW227/04/21 11:45 PM
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You have a whole segment of men who are figuratively trying to leave you alone. They don’t even know when they’ve won.
/r/MGTOW227/04/21 11:42 PM
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Fuck bro sorry to hear, you’d think they’d have a field day with gay MGTOWs. That’s some sun tzu level confuse your enemy shit right there.
/r/MGTOW227/04/21 03:07 AM
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Thanks for stopping by and being open to feedback. You sound very introspective, curious and self-responsible - the world needs more of. As for what brought you here, I would actually give you some WGTOW advice and say that part of the MGTOW (even WGTOW) philosophy is personal integrity, authenticity, and ultimately acceptance of the way male and female nature IS (not what we wish it to be). Generally, that sets you on a rare path away from the societal imperatives of everyone else’s idea of who…
/r/MGTOW226/04/21 04:32 PM
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Op - thanks for sharing this. It’s important to be self aware of this “RP Rage” stage because you can stay here and suffer or grow. What you’re going through right now is the beginning of liberating your ego from the way societal programming taught you to revere women, pedestalize them, and rely on them to fulfill needs. As an example - Not all but most women are insecure - as in they biologically are expecting protection, resources, and containment from the men in their lives. They can’t accept…
/r/MGTOW225/04/21 02:54 PM
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If she’ll be that surprised, then no why will make any sense to her anyway.
/r/Divorce_Men22/04/21 07:25 PM
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It’s the state I live and my exes “condition”. Don’t want to say too much more but Ali Only it is unfortunately a mandatory thing. Again, would she modify some years down the road? I don’t know. But the fact that it’s not only possible but encouraged by the court. It’s the possibility.
/r/Divorce_Men19/04/21 06:30 PM
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Nothing about this process has seemed fair or final - so I have no reason to feel like it will be. Add to that, I have to keep her on my insurance. I have to inform her and the courts if I move. If I make 10 million dollars on a best selling book “NEVER EVER FUCKING GET MARRIED”, she could modify the case because her needs would have miraculously changed. Again it’s not rational. But nothing about this has been either.
/r/Divorce_Men19/04/21 02:06 AM
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It should be.
/r/Divorce_Men18/04/21 11:44 PM
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Research and consult with as many lawyers in your area ASAP! (Many will do a free first consult) Also, move her out, separate your finances, and see a wealth protection lawyer who also has CPA/CFP abilities ASAP. Like NOW. Because when this “trial” turns into the real thing, her sisters, mom, friends, and the entire court system will be edging her to go nuclear. And even the sweetest angel, will start to see retribution, anger, vexation- and money. She won’t be able to resist the call for reveng…
/r/Divorce_Men18/04/21 08:10 PM
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I think it’s more the threat that my freedoms and privacy can be violated or re-litigated at any time in the future. The posturing of her lawyer - painting me as some kind of monster, deadbeat. How is it legal that one side can be delusional, entitled and use the courts to keep reopening the wound. I know alimony laws existed in the 1900’s because divorced women were generally considered useless and needed to be taken care of by someone - usually the state. But now, EO laws, education, birth con…
/r/Divorce_Men18/04/21 08:04 PM
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Yes. The boy would be co-responsible in the reverse scenario. However, I think we all know if a male sends a pic like that, he’s likely to get both shamed and external consequences. But you exemplify my point. Blame (fault, etc.) is not the same thing as taking responsibility. Blame is useless, non-constructive. Both of these kids are both responsible, and (I presume) have seen some consequences for their actions. After the initial shock and embarrassment wears off, they both could choose to con…
/r/MensRights15/04/21 12:54 PM
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I agree. On the rare occasion a woman offers to pay on one of our dates, I smile, heart fully say thanks, and allow her. That’s happened maybe half dozen times on first/second dates (I date a lot). 3 of those times (including one self proclaimed equal-rights advocate), the woman immediately got disgusted that I would allow her to pay. One told me verbatim “nothing makes a girl more dry than a guy who lets her pay because it show he wants to show his interest”. I immediately countered with “what …
/r/MensRights15/04/21 11:32 AM
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Ok I shot coffee through my nose reading this one.
/r/MensRights15/04/21 11:24 AM
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If there was no picture, there would be no leak. It’s that simple. So she is ACTUALLY, technically speaking co-responsible. At a minimum, she trusted the wrong guy. That does NOT absolve him and he has paid a price. Perhaps she has too with any negative attention she’s received. But to accept zero responsibility also does her a disservice for growth and learning. I’ll ask a very rhetorical question because I already know the answer, but what if the situation were reversed? He sends her a nude an…
/r/MensRights15/04/21 11:10 AM
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It’s not an either/or proposition. Yes, don’t do hurtful things to people. Sounds like he learned that lesson. Yes, AND... it would also be a huge wasted opportunity to not zoom out and look at how disproportionally he’s being treated and what lessons she’s being taught. Even though it was a shitty thing he did, she is actually still co-culpable (unless someone took that photo without her permission of course). Except it seems only he is paying the price. This problem is getting worse in our soc…
/r/MensRights15/04/21 10:54 AM
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He actually learned a very important lesson early. Don’t get entangled with women. It’s that simple. Think about it - if this girl took the picture, what lesson did she just learn? She’ll receive attention and “retribution” without needing to take responsibility. He doesn’t need to feel life long guilt - or shame, blame, embarrassment. That’s not constructive. Stay sharp, learn the red flags, date VERY carefully. If he doesn’t have positive male role models, get him set up with a big brothers cl…
/r/MensRights15/04/21 09:24 AM
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Fuck yeah little brother. The art is alive and well. I’m gonna goddamn cry.
/r/seduction05/04/21 08:45 PM
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Well I think we found his problem. The key is to not be a whiny bitch. Cast your net and forget about it.
/r/MGTOW205/04/21 07:09 PM
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This. It’s outcome independence. What do I care what some crazy, naggy, damaged, grizzled, old, bitter, bored, delusional, entitled, dependent, baggage-laden person REGARDLESS OF GENDER thinks about my lifestyle? Don’t get mad unless I’m talking about you.
/r/MGTOW201/04/21 09:31 PM
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We ain’t afraid. What are they going to do, bring logical arguments? No. No they’re not.
/r/MGTOW201/04/21 09:26 PM
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Notice how the ex-husband/father is the piece of shit. No co-responsibility for the failure of her marriage. With statements like “I’m worried he’ll become like his father”, she obviously resents the kid as well as the ex. And then wonders why he prefers the ex. Men are built to fuck. And you said he’s being safe, these girls feelings are theirs not his. He’s not responsible for the “feelings” of others. Your son’s a man. Go ruin someone else’s life. Sounds like he’s got his priorities straight.…
/r/MGTOW201/04/21 09:16 AM
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They can smell your wallet lol
/r/MGTOW231/03/21 07:18 PM
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Uh oh be careful sharing that portfolio. “Unicorn wifey material” will start launching itself at you left and right 😆
/r/MGTOW231/03/21 06:30 PM
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Depends what the man values. If freedom, sanity, self-sufficiency are more important than the occasional ass, then I’d say it’d be a net detriment to a man’s health.
/r/MGTOW230/03/21 07:00 PM
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You can’t fight crazy with crazy OR sanity. The only way to engage with delusional, irrational, entitled narcissism is... don’t.
/r/MGTOW229/03/21 04:31 PM
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Congratulations, dude. I know moving on sucks, but the more/earlier you practice advocating for what you want, the more authentic relationships you’ll have with the right people.
/r/MGTOW228/03/21 08:01 PM
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Dude think about it. And with your big head, not the trouser one. If she had wanted to, she would have already. Let’s say you DO somehow wait her out or coax her. Best case, she resents you for “making her” do something she doesn’t want to. Does that sound like a good time for either of you? Worst case - congrats my man, in her mind (and possibly societies and worse the law’s) you just coerced her into something she didn’t want. Women generally don’t want to take responsibility for their actions…
/r/MGTOW226/03/21 07:17 PM
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If you have to pull away to get your needs met, you’re already in damaged territory. That’s inauthentic and covertly manipulation - very bitch characteristics. You pull away (rather take space) because you’re busy with other shit. She knows the difference.
/r/MGTOW226/03/21 03:36 PM
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Wake up brother. When you’re sexually incompatible, that shit won’t get better over time. Cut bait.
/r/MGTOW226/03/21 03:33 PM
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Who cares? He wants it. He’ll resent her if he doesn’t get it. Needs to tell her honestly or that shit will eat up their marriage.
/r/MGTOW226/03/21 03:32 PM
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Usually the saying goes “you can’t turn a hoe into a housewife” not the other way around...
/r/MGTOW226/03/21 03:31 PM
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You’re an enlightened dude, man. Make your money, flirt with life, lift some weights, live authentically, don’t take shit and keep getting ass until your dick falls off. Once we understand men and women’s nature, we no longer have to fear it, hate it, be disappointed in it. Some toys are dangerous. Just gotta know when to play and when to put em away in their box.
/r/MGTOW225/03/21 02:32 AM
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Then don’t be old OR alone. The extreme removal from society is one form of mgtow. And it could be situational for each man. Things change, people change. No one can take that final trip with you, so when the time comes whether you’re alone, in a hospital bed, or post-coitus with your two 24 year olds slam-pieces, do the only thing you can do. Smile and enjoy the ride.
/r/MGTOW225/03/21 02:25 AM
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Learn and be curious and life’s journey becomes something you don’t need to cling to. I found meditation, psychology, ancient philosophy, Buddhism, self care, financial freedom, physical fitness, more fulfilling friendships and even female companions.. all like a bolt of lightening after my brutal divorce. That wisdom I believe leads to continuous improvement, confidence, and ultimately no regrets. And when you’ll feel the level of satisfaction with yourself, dying alone (which is the only way w…
/r/MGTOW225/03/21 02:17 AM
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Thanks for sharing, brother. And for being a force for good with the young men around you. I too had to learn the hard way about “the game” we play and wished I had a man in my early life lucid and free enough to teach these lessons.
/r/MGTOW225/03/21 02:11 AM
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So other than being heavily edited, I don’t see anything wrong per se in this snip or anti-mgtow/rp here. I’m not personally intimidated by smart (or successful, tall, beautiful, etc.) women and I’ll assume this group mostly isn’t either, but I could see a generalization that many men don’t want to compete with a female partner (unnecessarily) for dominance be it for intelligence, competence, confidence, etc. because it’s a lose-lose proposition. So I think “intimidation” is not a comprehensive …
/r/MGTOW224/03/21 04:37 PM
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Most are incapable of taking responsibility for their actions. It’s so much more convenient to blame something or someone else for her poor decisions. The people who think this way don’t realize that taking responsibility is taking your power (not ceding your power) and this practice actually erodes their sovereignty and agency. It’s ultimately disempowering to not take responsibility for your own actions. No one else can learn your lessons for you.
/r/MensRights22/03/21 11:11 PM
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I doubt you’re as ugly as you say bro. But it’s all about you anyway, not women. You’d be surprised what a disciplined attitude towards practicing excellence will do for your power of attraction AND happiness. Go to the gym, meditate, work on hobbies, side hustles, business ideas, practice charisma, outcome independence and equanimity (not giving a fuck). One chick’s ugly is another’s dreamboat.
/r/MGTOW221/03/21 08:19 PM
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I had a female coworker who thought her and her wife’s 2 year old son “should be gender-reassigned because he’s possibly trans and he shouldn’t have to endure being male”. 2 years old. Obviously that’s disgusting, illegal, immoral to any sane and rational, loving human, parent or would-be surgeon but my heart sinks for the abuse that kids going to endure on his path to adulthood.
/r/MensRights21/03/21 12:28 PM
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Lol op you’re gonna get skewered. I’m not even gonna read the comments. GL
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 05:30 AM
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Oh don’t you worry. Eventually you too will get a law or two lobbed at either keeping you or someone else nice and safe, no matter what your life situation is. The more rules we make, the more rule breakers we create. And that’s just good business.
/r/MGTOW219/03/21 03:02 AM
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What the actual fuck are you talking about. Most MGTOW are TRYING to literally go their own way. They’re literally walking in the other side of the street to stay away from this pervasive narrative and you people just keep goading them. And get our acts together? You mean stop committing suicide or being incarcerated for petty crimes at higher rates? You mean doing all of the dirty dangerous jobs and being told that you’re evil, inconsequential, a murderer, a rapist just for existing? You can’t …
/r/MGTOW219/03/21 02:52 AM
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Congrats! Was just going to say too. Be careful. Depends where you live of course but generally yes keep that on the DL.
/r/MGTOW218/03/21 03:10 AM
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Every man should read Dr. Glover’s No More Mr. Nice Guy. It is life changing.
/r/seduction18/03/21 01:18 AM
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Don’t.
/r/MGTOW216/03/21 09:19 PM
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I’m happy to see a man come to these concepts from a rational, lucid place. Many of us get here out of pain, hurt, and hopefully healing. But the best way to avoid a problem is to expect it. Of course it’s “transactional”. The trick is being aware, self-reflective, integral, authentic, and equanimous. And assume everyone else will be too (until they prove they’re not). I believe the secret is to keep approaching this from a place of growth, impermanence, and bemused detachment. Understand that w…
/r/MGTOW216/03/21 07:39 PM
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Posts like these clearly demonstrate people don’t understand the law of impermanence. Everything and everyone changes. People get restless, are at different stages of the journey at different times. People need to stop expecting and promising something that’s not your to give - forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 12:38 PM
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I think of a social role as the pressures put on a person from the people, environment, culture around them that may or may not be congruent with a persons authentic nature. You can draw your own examples. Biological traits to me would explain the unconscious behaviors, patterns, thoughts, actions, emotions that we exhibit that either had or still have some merit in our evolution and survival regardless of social norms. For example, men crave sex even if they have no desire to father children an…
/r/RedPillWomen13/03/21 07:06 PM
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Jesus fellas, some of you need to keep some composure. OP if you’re still lurking, it might be worth touching up on your signals. Many dudes are actively being taught/shown to NOT cold approach women on the metoo era we’re in. The shy brothers are more afraid than ever and the confident/sociable ones don’t want to get pepper sprayed, falsely accused of flirting without a license, or krav magra’ed to the throat. So try flipping your hair, coy eye contact, smile and slight wink, check your compact…
/r/seduction13/03/21 06:19 PM
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Congrats! If you ain’t failing you ain’t trying! If I may suggest an upgrade, don’t cold approach women. Especially in groups. It’s counter intuitive, but wait until one of them makes some obvious eye contact, “accidentally” brushes up against you, flips her hair in your direction, etc. BEFORE dropping in. Again, especially in a group, sometimes women don’t want to be bothered and then you’re just an awkward clinger (hence your crash n burn). Wait for the signals and then walk up with your charm…
/r/seduction13/03/21 06:12 PM
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I think “Biological” was the more operative word in that sentence. Like biologically/ evolutionarily speaking, our masculine traits serve our confidence, courage, protective, building, equanimity, sexual seeking etc. natures (as well as the relative negatives of course). Again, not every man spends 24/7/365 in some terminator mode. But if for example one partner doesn’t leave ample space for these to be necessary from the other (it’s the same for same-sex partnerships as well) then that’s when t…
/r/RedPillWomen12/03/21 04:50 PM
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This is such a complex, fascinating issue. As a fairly dominant man, I can tell you that the biological masculine drive for dominance is not the same as the sociological/political “entitled” dominance being taught/sought by a certain modern “ism”. And it’s subtle, not a matter of extremes either. We don’t need you to be demure, ignorant, helpless, dependent, barefoot and pregnant like many polarizing ideologies would have you believe. But we don’t want to constantly be in competition with you fo…
/r/RedPillWomen12/03/21 01:48 PM
4

Thanks but many women’s charity outlets exist and so men who actually need the help are underserved. I’m not blowing out anyone else’s candle, I’m trying to light another.
/r/MensRights08/03/21 05:31 PM
2

Knowing what you know now, can you truly form an “intimate relationship” with a woman? I remember when the circus had lion tamers. The exhilaration for the crowd and the tamer was in the dangerous integration of man and nature. And every so often in the news, you’d hear about a tamer getting his head chewed off. If you can’t integrate nature’s various dangers, you’ll lead a very bland, albeit safe life. With women, you can dabble but don’t live with them, marry them, give them children, share re…
/r/MGTOW208/03/21 02:57 PM
2

Why are some of you guys still pining for marriage? Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Stop lamenting and start living. If you’re a decent looking dude who’s taking care of himself, his finances, has some charisma, confidence, a plan in life, and can still get a boner (or pills for one if necessary) - you’re in luck! The market is ripe, gentlemen. There’s 4 billion of these mf’ers out in the world. I like your chances. You also get to reap the benefits of women’s liberation - bu…
/r/MGTOW207/03/21 10:37 PM
5

Well, that was rhetorical but I was married to one. Her friends were like that. Her sisters were like that. Her lawyer was like that. Our judge was like that. Her mom was like that. ~80% of the women I’ve dated are like that. Women on social media and dating sites are like that. My landlady is like that. Celebrities are like that. I can only conclude this is becoming more pervasive.
/r/MGTOW204/03/21 12:44 PM
3

Yeah well think about that too. Women are covert, resentful, vexatious and manipulative. A chick who even just “feels” under a man’s thumb will make your married (and divorced) life hell. And remember, they’re all taught to deserve/expect perfect lives and delusions of debutante queen-hood at all times so there is no pleasing them and their bottomless need for narcissistic supply. Ask me how I know.
/r/MGTOW204/03/21 06:08 AM
7

Oh definitely agree. No one likes or needs a weak, vacillating, useless, feckless, overly agreeable, inauthentic, disintegrated, incompetent, unconfident, sheepish, irrationally emotional, apologetic, defenseless, defensive, fake man. Especially other men. The good news is that anyone can strive to be more. And the more you strive, the more opportunities open up that you can pick and choose. No man is stuck with his lot in life. It just takes a little practice and the continuous pursuit. Forget …
/r/MGTOW204/03/21 05:49 AM
1

Honorable? What do you mean?
/r/MGTOW202/03/21 09:58 PM
3

You may not be wrong and whatever gets you through the next 3-4 years, but I’d propose that ALL men keep chasing excellence in themselves- their health, finances, spirit, self-love, competencies, confidence, charisma, etc. Continuously and without a care or expectation for some future relationship where women have to “settle”. Actually this is dangerous zero-sum thinking. Forget the fact that prenups aren’t worth the paper they’re written on in many courts. A woman who feels settled or trapped w…
/r/MGTOW201/03/21 08:06 AM
2

Bingo. Rather you can have your friends. Just never expect anything from them and enjoy them for who they are.
/r/MGTOW227/02/21 01:26 PM
2

If they’re true friends they’d be happy for you if you’re happy. It’s that simple.
/r/MGTOW226/02/21 05:26 PM
2

My issues: There’s no data whatsoever, just big words. There’s no clear advocacy or call to action. There’s an underlying implication that “serious relationships” are somehow the apex aspiration; a clear fallacy with proven marriage/birth rates declining and divorce rates rising. He just sounds petty, bitter, possibly jealous of the men he’s describing.
/r/MGTOW225/02/21 05:36 PM
5

You’re in the red pill rage stage dude. We’ve all been there. The key to emerging from that is confidence and security in the knowledge that they can try but they’re not going to find better than you. Once you feel that in your bones, the women you see will be wildly attracted to that quality and will probably be more worried about your affection than you are theirs.
/r/MGTOW225/02/21 06:09 AM
1

I’d offer an alternative. You don’t need to cut out physical shit or even love to go your own way. You can have it “all”. It just requires some rewiring of old expectations and some willful practice. Sorry dudes, getting thanked to hold doors and pedestalizing western women as virtuous is long gone. What you’re practicing is equanimity, outcome independence, bemused detachment, abundance, presence in the now. Monk mode isn’t necessarily about living a monastic life with no ass, affection, or eve…
/r/MGTOW225/02/21 06:00 AM
3

He makes his own argument. “What’s up with girls today” is they’re nothing like girls if the past (they are, they’re just amplified versions). If you treat them like you would girls from a certain time, they won’t just break your heart, they can ruin your whole life. Girls today don’t have the security to be pedestalized. “Nice guys” are actively suckers now if they come to this knowledge and continue. Calling each other simps maybe isn’t the best way, but most guys are trying to wake other guys…
/r/MGTOW224/02/21 07:46 PM
4

Was not aware the origins of that one, thanks. Related note, I was telling a woman “friend” about my multi-year, $200k divorce and she point blank said “well maybe if you guys would ALL stop raping and murdering women, we’d stop using the courts to take you to the cleaners”. That’s the zero-sum bullshit we have to deal with? For starters, rape/murder is still illegal whereas divorce rape / wallet murder is not only legal, there’s a multi billion dollar industrial complex that actively exists to …
/r/MensRights23/02/21 08:47 PM
5

I sent the OP a note of encouragement. We need to question more, blindly accept less.
/r/MensRights23/02/21 02:35 PM
20

Yeah the phrase has been horribly misapplied and commandeered by feminized academia over the decades. And because the inherent, covert female narcissistic nature of some women to manipulate men and eschew their own responsibility in creating whatever oppressive societal structure du jour, “toxic masculinity” is a shaming tactic meant to steer boys, men and even women away from otherwise healthy, “Devine” masculine traits that are necessary for the balance of our nature and survival as a species.…
/r/MensRights23/02/21 12:24 PM
20

Please read the actual origins of the phrase, and the men who coined it. They weren’t THE “men’s movement”. They originally felt men were pedestalizing women and the “toxic” part came from not respecting the more divine version of masculinity (confidence, competence, wisdom) in balance with the world around them. It’s since been co-opted and twisted way out of its original context by academia and modern day misandrists. Don’t feed into the misinformation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythopoe…
/r/MensRights23/02/21 12:11 PM
22

The next level, illuminated monk never moves them in, never gets married, no kids, no long term promises, no girlfriends, no two days in a row, no conditional relationships, keeps a rotation that doesn’t cost any money and just replaces them when they get old, needy, greedy, or show any red flags. No lying, cheating, apologizing necessary. This is the life.
/r/MGTOW223/02/21 04:18 AM
5

And welcome, another one has arrived. Next stop: accepting female nature for what it is, not what we wish it to be. A lot of great life can be lived when we choose not to suffer the tyranny of the ideal woman. They don’t exist.
/r/MGTOW223/02/21 03:51 AM
3

I hope you’re joking. It’s very possible. I’m going through a similar situation but without kids. 200k just to fend myself, pay her extortion fee, and go away money. An ex that claims she’s disabled, milks every system at her disposal and plays the courts and will never bring any value to this planet. This is happening to several other men I know too.
/r/MGTOW223/02/21 01:59 AM
6

Yeah brother I understand your spirit here and yes do stick up for yourself, but please be careful with this - especially if you’re doling out lingo like “there’s the door” while “sipping your Jack” (assuming Daniels?) Women can be made vexatious, legally dangerous too. Don’t underestimate the patience, resentment, covert plotting of a woman who feels trapped under a man’s thumb. And in western societies, the laws are stacked against YOU and will be executed at the slightest hint of impropriety.…
/r/MGTOW222/02/21 10:36 AM
8

I got banned for delivering some advice. I was even careful not to use trigger words. So much for both diversity and inclusion.
/r/MGTOW221/02/21 07:22 PM
3

Taoism is simply working with the nature of things. (Wu-Wei) And the nature of some people is to sow chaos. Some may say radical acceptance of the ways things are, not the way you wish they would be. So in that, Taoism is anything but passivity. It’s purposeful, mindful, diligent, disciplined control over your mind and actions. Stoicism, even Buddhism has this similar approach. It’s only incompatible with the situations and people you allow into your life who are challenging you to respond the w…
/r/MGTOW221/02/21 05:02 PM
2

Love and take care of yourself first. The rest of the universe will follow your lead.
/r/MGTOW221/02/21 04:51 PM
-9

So you’re PRO genital mutilation then? Cool cool.
/r/MensRights21/02/21 04:11 AM
-4

Biologically, the foreskin exists to literally “slurp” (rather shovel aside, or suction) out the semen from another male deposited into his mate as to assure any offspring is from his lineage. So given that it’s NOT 250,000 years ago, how often do think that service is necessary in 2021? If you primarily have protected sex, clean your genitals thoroughly and frequently like a modern man, and/or have a monogamous partner (if that exists), then there’s 0 health benefit.
/r/MensRights21/02/21 02:59 AM
5

You’re not stuck with any of this. Tell your dad you’re “working on it”, let go of the friends who no longer serve you, and hustle your balls off to get out of your fathers house. You physically, financially, spiritually actually get away from people who seem content to tell you who you are or what you’re about. Your gut knows best. But don’t ever EVER let other people live your life for you. When you don’t know who you are, people will flood in to tell you who they think you should be.
/r/MGTOW221/02/21 02:19 AM
9

That there are sick fucks out in the world that started this because they wanted to mutilate babies under the guise that it was somehow healthier for them. They were ignorant at best, sadistic at worst.
/r/MensRights20/02/21 09:21 PM
4

Oh I’m getting a firsthand, hard knock, motherfucking PhD in “feminist theories”. I’m fully educated and up to speed nowadays. Thankssssss
/r/MensRights19/02/21 02:31 AM
20

Thanks for sharing. What has always bothered me are the false dichotomies and zero-sum arguments AGAINST the backdrop that men are incompetent and unnecessary. Which is it - we’re ALL a bunch of cunning, psychopathic, apex predators or clueless, lazy, blubbering oafs who can’t “male” our way out of a wet paper bag? And as a guy who’s in a 4 year, $200k process of divorcing a clinically diagnosed, manipulative BPD woman with no kids or assets at stake, I’ve been told by both lawyers and judges ho…
/r/MensRights18/02/21 05:16 PM
15

Yeah I get where you’re going and you’re not wrong. I believe nearly every word you’ve written, OP. But this line of thinking/study ultimately has no utility and is intellectual masturbation. It’s like studying the morality of why water is wet. Will you be able to change female nature with this research? Convince females to behave otherwise? As if we even could. This line of thinking doesn’t even tell people how to navigate hypergamous nature. We like bigger tits, they like bigger boats and wall…
/r/MGTOW218/02/21 12:08 PM
1

What’s the difference between the two? And exactly what is high and low value? In relation to what or whom? Your question reasons itself out. Every man is in a state of change. Improving in some areas, declining in others. One could even argue “acting as-if” is just simply practicing being high value.
/r/seduction16/02/21 11:10 AM
0

So this is one that’s wrong, but for the right reasons. And not from a white knight / blue pill standpoint. In this life no one owes anyone anything. Sex, money, a job, affection, security, etc. And if you want something, gotta work on yourself, bring something of value to the table. But do it authentically - not because you expect a return. Continuous improvement is its own return. Here’s where men and women fuck up. None of this works the way we think it does because ultimately, this can’t wor…
/r/MGTOW216/02/21 03:27 AM
2

You can’t change anyone else. Just make sure you’re at this dumb asses wedding and you speak up when the priest asks “speak now or forever hold your peace”. Hell they may not even ask that anymore these days.
/r/MGTOW215/02/21 02:28 PM
4

Sure. They exist and they’re all I attract these days because I know what I want. I do believe most men want something close to this as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 08:39 AM
1

Bingo. Was married to a narcissistic ex. Can confirm. You can’t argue with crazy. All you can do is walk away.
/r/MensRights15/02/21 08:33 AM
1

Damn that’s effed
/r/MensRights15/02/21 08:31 AM
18

I’d say most men don’t want a docile, incapable, needy, damaged, regressive woman. I love a good capable, independent, but playfully demure woman who knows the feminine game, doesn’t shit test me or try to compete unnecessarily, and plays the part but would also be on my bug-out team in the zombie apocalypse. Contrary to what many are learning in university liberal arts, a human relationship requires space for masculine and feminine traits. It doesn’t have to be hetero male and female pairings e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 03:01 PM
2

This is so simple people. Stop putting people on a pedestal, learn to love yourself first and foremost because it’s no one else’s job to MAKE you happy (even if that were possible), and NEVER cohabitate, get married or spend more than 2-3 consecutive days with any one woman. This is a practice that will open your eyes to true nature of personal fulfillment and healthy human dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 02:53 PM
74

God she’s the worst human. I’d almost forgotten about her. Thanks for reopening that pantsuit sized wound.
/r/MensRights14/02/21 02:47 PM
11

Oh Jesus my dudes yeah. If you do bang out some single moms, don’t meet the kids and don’t move in together. That’s freedom 101 shit.
/r/MGTOW214/02/21 01:44 AM
1

Whoa if you actually heard “kill all men” you need to go to the superintendent or principle.
/r/MensRights11/02/21 11:39 PM
1

In that way, it’s reliable.
/r/seduction06/02/21 01:02 PM
3

Yeah don’t be in a rush to reframe anything. If they didn’t understand or don’t get you, just keep moving along. Reframing in masculinity is about clarity, not about scrambling to retrain her attention or whatever. Most people are dull, uninterested, uninteresting. Sometimes you can’t help them get on board with what you’re saying. Sometimes you gotta let them be confused.
/r/seduction06/02/21 01:01 PM
2

Yeah but I think OP is talking about actual flackery. Not showing up.
/r/seduction03/02/21 01:07 AM
1

Sales of condoms will skyrocket after lockdowns.
/r/seduction02/02/21 02:55 PM
1

Hah Just a fellow traveler.
/r/seduction31/01/21 02:43 PM
1

Well reasoned and sure, some people are cool about this but I just happen to disagree. She already gets to experience you today, at what is presumably the best version of yourself. To whatever degree you attribute your past experiences to who you are today, what is the merit in discussing what you’ve done, with whom, how many times, etc.?
/r/seduction31/01/21 01:47 PM
3

We seduce money all the damn time. It brushes up against us everyday, touches your hands, gets stuck in your brain, can’t wait to turn it into an experience. When I see a penny on the ground, login to my stock, portfolio or even pay a bill, I give it a playful, slightly devious smirk and say well hello there, I’m BTBX and I like ladies in green. What’s your name? Jackson? Washington? Oh I’m usually more of a Franklin man, but I can make exception tonight (wink). How’d you like to join me in my b…
/r/seduction31/01/21 12:54 PM
5

Absolutely don’t do that. SB’s are just unprofessional escorts. Except they’re just dipping their toes in the P2P world. They don’t have the customer hospitality relationship mentality - usually entitled, conniving, damaged, narcissistic, self serving helpless victim mentality. An escort (not a street walker) won’t try to get knocked up or falsely accuse you of impropriety because she wants your repeat business. An SB will use you until you’re broke or she’s bored and has every legal tool on the…
/r/seduction31/01/21 11:01 AM
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Yes to gym, fashion, diet, etc. BUT!!! Be very careful with sugar babies and the like. If OP doesn’t have the casual, authentic social skills to go with this approach and he flashes he has money, he WILL become a target eventually. True professions would be the way to go in this case because they don’t see an awkward encounter as a threat or morning after regret and will even have good advice for you. Like a style coach but on how to be a better man. The “unprofessionals” however, are where the …
/r/seduction31/01/21 10:48 AM
9

Never tell anyone about your sexual past. A none of their business. And aside from STD tests and safety precautions, you don’t want to know their either - none of your business.
/r/seduction31/01/21 10:06 AM
38

As long as there’s no moral hang up and you won’t get thrown in jail, money is just stored energy to provide you with an experience.. go for it. I’m all for legal sex work and maximum personal freedom. However.. I’d like to offer a counter point. I think men can do better. When you reach for easy gratification, you deprive yourself that volition to improve; to take risks, to evolve as the strong, capable, confident, competent man that is your birthright and frankly what society needs from you. T…
/r/seduction31/01/21 10:03 AM
1

Every date should be low pressure and fun. For the bratty, uninteresting but cute ones I usually get to the quick and ask if they want jelly legs for the next 24 hours. More often than not, that’s exactly it.
/r/seduction13/01/21 10:36 AM
1

TLDR: practice bemused detachment, outcome-independence, and being abundant in everything you endeavor.
/r/seduction09/01/21 12:18 PM
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