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Bo_Gribbles/r/MensRights16/04/15 03:52 PM
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Exactly, those who adhere to the social needs of the educator succeed, those who don't fail. If that educator decides they want a quiet, orderly classroom then the children who oblige them will be better regarded by the educator than those who don't. I've seen boisterous girls who have been put in their place in exactly the same way as a boisterous boy. The fact of the matter is that everyone's loosing out, assertive, boisterous children are being stifled and more obligating children never learn…
/r/MensRights31/05/15 12:37 AM
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As someone who is actually in education the fact that you have no experience in it makes your opinion a little hard to take with credence. That being said, both sexes have issues of discrimination in schools, but they manifest in different ways. Children who are more boisterous and hands-on, often boys, are considered "problem children" by some educators who subscribe to the teacher centered model of classroom management. This is a popular model because it allows the educator to have a more firm…
/r/MensRights30/05/15 02:43 PM
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I think that if the parents are together then they have an equal right to be a parent. The male, nor the female, should drop the baby off anywhere if the other parent wants custody. If neither parent wants custody, then they should feel free to, if only one does, then they that should be taken on a case-by-case basis for what should be done.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 07:54 PM
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You're right, they are from the mouths of feminists, but if they're picked by a source that is actively seeking to soil the name of a group, then I call bias. It's not equal representation of the proportion of what is said, and prominent feminists generally mean the loudest, not the most influential.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 07:52 PM
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So I asked to know more. I went to the source. I don't see the problem with this.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 12:14 PM
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Alrighty, I've never said white men are a problem, I've never said that they have a raised status or that they perpetuate anything. You're not viewing me as an individual, you are slapping an image on me and justifying it because, "some feminists aren't nice, you must not be either." I've been nothing but obliging on this thread. From what I've seen you're just as hypocritical and bigoted as the feminists who you hate so much.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 12:14 PM
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Please stop helping us; you're harming us instead. Okay, I've mentioned a number of feminist driven movements that have actually made real change for men. Would you like those changes to be revoked if they make you so uncomfortable? Would you like them to stop supporting issues which effect men, or exclude men entirely? Because if you do, you seem to be out of line from a lot of what people are asking for on here. As far as I'm concerned, you're welcome to post here. Able to post and welcome are…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 12:12 PM
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Does their opinion matter? And I have, they deal, we move on.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 12:10 PM
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Britain is a first world country.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 12:09 PM
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Because there are gendered issues, issues that only men or women face, they need to be represented not just thrown into a mush. But hey, you're posting on a men's rights sub, why don't you tell me?
/r/MensRights17/04/15 12:09 PM
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Are you so sure about that? There are many contradictory beliefs within feminist theory and competing ideas. Maybe with the radfem movement, but in the feminist groups and circles I fall in I'm right in line. Maybe I've had the opportunity to delve deeper and find these groups, but really, there are plenty doing good work that do not get the credit they deserve because they're not "interesting" or "extreme".
/r/MensRights17/04/15 12:08 PM
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I guess that depends on who you are. Access to women's health is more important to me because I am a woman. Naturally I think to myself, "What if I need this?", but just as equally a man could say the same thing about their reproductive rights and be no less right or wrong for it. Please educate me on the reproductive rights we should be championing for.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 12:07 PM
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Only women have "repreductive rights". Men dont. I've been hearing this a lot and I'm coming to find I don't quite understand what you mean. What rights should men have? That's not a challenge, but a real question. Why dont you fight for men to have the equal right to abort parenthood? You mean for a man to choose not to accept parenthood of the child? That's tricky, because most women can't. I know it's been said that they can abort and drop the baby off somewhere, but the fact is that some men…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 12:06 PM
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Alright, the comparisons to the KKK need to stop. I don't care if you think feminism is a hate group or if you think it's not, but the fact of the matter is historically the KKK is much different than feminism is. We spent the civil rights movement supporting it, the KKK tried to stop it.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 12:03 PM
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I think we all need one another, but I don't think that a woman necessarily needs a man for the fact he's a man, she might need a man for the person he is. That person could be a father, a brother, a friend, a significant other, a role model, she would need his for what he brings into her life, not because of his maleness. As a society, we need everyone, men and women included equally.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 12:02 PM
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You are one-hundred percent right. Which makes it an important male issue, which I support.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 12:00 PM
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Nobody is "allowed" to join the draft, it's not a right, you are forced by law under threat of arrest/crippling financial penalties to do so. Women are still completely able to volunteer for military service. But even if a woman was willing to add her name to the draft for the sake of service to her country in the event of catastrophic war, she wouldn't have the ability to do so. Also, since every child has a father, I'd make the point that female fertility and childbirth are things we need to w…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 04:46 AM
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This is from a men's rights blog. Can you find me something from a less-biased source?
/r/MensRights17/04/15 04:46 AM
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Firstly, no one is paying for my food, medication, clothing, housing or anything else besides me. I pay taxes, I work hard, I am adding to those coffers you so jealously guard. I am offended that you would make such blatant claims without any prior knowledge of my financial situation, but only my ideological beliefs. Secondly, your opinions on welfare and mine are vastly different. So much so that I don't think it would be productive for either of us to discuss them over a Reddit post. You're en…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 04:44 AM
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That's plainly not true. Check out the Feminist Majority Foundation for one, they've done some good things for women, but also for men. I've mentioned other such movements in previous comments, please refer to those before you make broadly inaccurate assumptions about feminism.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 04:41 AM
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I'm not blaming the young men for what's happening down that. The cultural and moral implications there are too deep and I am too ignorant of them to know exactly that it is. However, the western media's perception of the culture of the area, and indeed how we view men (as inherently strong, aggressive, soldierly) warps their idea of what is important news.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 04:36 AM
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I can do my best to understand a man's perspective on reproduction, but I cannot force you to understand a woman's. You put words in my mouth by describing what a pro-choice feminist would say, regardless of the fact that I have never said anything to reflect those beliefs. Maybe men should have more outs in regards to parenthood, maybe they should have more options for birth control, these are all true things. Regardless, women still have reproductive issues, that is also a fact.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 04:14 AM
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But I can't say the atmosphere is terribly friendly...
/r/MensRights17/04/15 04:12 AM
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Please don't speak in a demeaning manner towards me. That Adolf was awfully sweet, but surely no feminist? No, he was not a feminist, but as someone who advocates for women's equality it is important for me to be aware of what that means. Not just the good, but just getting to play in the boy's club, but being included in things like war tribunals.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 04:12 AM
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Fringes are interesting, fringes get views and ratings. Rather than bang my head against the wall and harp on misandrists carrying the banner of feminism, I'd rather spend my time and effort on issues in need of advocation. I'm fairly certain that you all, with your experience with the radfems, understand how difficult, read impossible, they are to reason with. I'm not a fan of beating dead horses.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 04:10 AM
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Yes, more generalizations, that helps the situation.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 04:02 AM
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This has yet to happen to me, but you all with be the first to know if it does.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:59 AM
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And they should have reproductive rights, but that doesn't detract from the fact that women also have issues of reproductive rights. Why not both? Why can't we advocate for both?
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:58 AM
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There is a difference between legal rights which separate us (or don't) and social rights which are perpetuated by our culture. In the United States for the most part there are few rights that men have that women don't, by law. However, simply comparing us to one another does not cover the broad scope. Both genders have issued of reproductive rights, but they are different issues by design. Now, imagining that the US, and really the western world, aren't the only groups that matter, then we have…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:57 AM
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I'm saying be nice to women, because they are people, that's what men's groups should do. If your men's group is doing that, in addition to generally being chill with everyone else, then I have no problem with it.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:52 AM
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What is your take on Mary Daly and her view that the male population should be reduced to 20% of the size of the female population? That's a stupid, insane idea. What is your take on the attempt to shut down warren Farrell's talk at Toronto? I think it was a breach of respect for freedom of speech. What men's rights literature have you read? Not much, but to be honest I haven't really read anything that's blatantly feminist either. My most recent read on gender, more specifically women, was Hitl…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:49 AM
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We should be just as concerned about these boys, but comparing them to the girls won't solve the problem. That's the fault of western media and the opinion of young men and the culture of those societies. Feminism did not create this.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:47 AM
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BE NICE TO EVERYONE. That's the thing I'm trying to say. If a men's group can's be nice to women, then they are being mean. Does that satisfy you?
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:44 AM
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No, they shouldn't.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:43 AM
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I cannot change the mainstream view of feminism on my own. That's just a fact. What I do see is the deep structure of feminism, the movements that quietly do their work and make changes for men, women, and folks of all sorts. I see lots of support for victims of sexual violence regardless of gender, support for LGBTQ communities, and support of issues of race. Feminism is an old movement, we've got a lot of spread and a lot of different breeds, there are plenty who chug along, do the good work, …
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:42 AM
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I never said men didn't. You implied that, but saying that women's reproductive rights are less because of men is legitimately concerning.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:32 AM
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Oh, yeah, I forgot I totally don't follow logic and appreciate hard facts. My bad. I'll go back to living under my feminist rock now.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:31 AM
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But men do not exist in a vacuum, nor do women. Our problem are intertwined, which means to me that we should work together since we are both capable of seeing social injustice.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:30 AM
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I suggest looking at feminism in the real world, rather than feminism online. Yes, you're got the radfems flashing their tits at Putin, but you've also got a lot of really good, really purposeful movements headed by feminism.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:29 AM
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Errrr, no they wouldn't? Have you ever been on TwoX?
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:26 AM
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The fact is that the feminist community online is not a sole representation of the feminist community in real life. I've made mention of feminist movements to help men, who support LGBTQ issues, I'm not going to type them all out again.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:26 AM
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Well, feminism has a long history of political movements, if you'd like to educate yourself on that there are a number of websites and books that do the facts more justice than I can. Modernly they've done a considerable amount to advocate for both men and women. Feminist groups advocated to change the FBI definition of rape to include men, they've also championed for paternity leave in tandem with maternity leave. The same people who did the documentary, Miss.Representation, have started a new …
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:24 AM
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And a friendly good evening to you too.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:15 AM
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That's a broad statement that is not necessarily true.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:15 AM
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Or I support a different wave of feminism. I think you have a lack of understand of variations between groups.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:14 AM
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They suffer differently. It is not my place to say who suffers more or less, that's an issue on an individual basis. There is no "who" that sis at fault, but merely a system that puts men and women in boxes that they can't leave without social ramifications.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:14 AM
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We are not allowed to join the draft, for one. Men are required to do it, while women can't even volunteer. It's the opposite symptom stemming from the same problem. Next I'll just mention the reproductive rights men just don't have to worry about, things regarding childbirth and female fertility.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:13 AM
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So mens groups are Ok as long as they are in line with feminist dogma? They're OK so long as they do not act against women.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:10 AM
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Take over NOW or become a prestigious women's studies professor and I'll concede that area is there, too. Woah there. I'd like to get out of college, get a degree that will actually be relevant to my interests and talents, then prove myself to be an equal earning member of society. Part of the issue for MRM is that you're a relatively new movement, or at least you've moved out of obscurity relatively recently. You need to establish yourself as a voice, just like any other group, you do that by a…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:10 AM
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Sounds to me like this is a difference in personality more than anything. For that I have no explanation. I feel attached to this cause, that's just the way it is.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:07 AM
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And there can't be a worse way to get over that than to be hidden away with other people bitten by dogs. Yes, eventually one has to get over one's irrational fears. However, in the hours and days following the incident, it might be prudent not to agitate the individual any more than they already are. If a man was going through a similar situation I would also suggest perhaps he was not confronted with a woman so soon after the incident. No one should be left alone, though, no one should be turne…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:06 AM
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I believe it is because of a society that puts men in women in boxes. When they step out of these boxes then they are abnormal, they are unacceptable. If a man wants to dress in a skirt he must be wrong in the head, if a woman woman decides she'd rather be an auto mechanic than a teacher then she's stepping out of line. Some feminists might call this "the patriarchy", but I think you're right, it makes it sound as if the blame solely falls to men, when really it is our society as a whole which p…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:03 AM
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Regardless of what they usually mean, is has come across as very personal in a number of comments.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:00 AM
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Women might be, but not feminists. I believe women are welcome here, but being a woman is only part of who I am. why call yourself a feminist? Because I fall in line with the ideology. Because I feel that there is inequality across the world biased against women, more socially in the US, but politically/legally in other countries. I feel connected to this group because I am a woman, because I can not just sympathize but empathize. I feel strongly about feminism for what may be a selfish reason; …
/r/MensRights17/04/15 02:59 AM
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Dude, reproductive rights are a big issue for women right now. Research a little.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 02:57 AM
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1) I do not have the time to dedicate to these readings, I will not undermine you and pretend that I do. This is not something I can comment on. 2) Boys are falling behind in education, I am actually intimately familiar with that and I can tell you now that the education system as a whole is aware. The pedagogy as of late has begun to shift towards not just supporting boys, not just supporting girls, but recognizing the potential in both and avoiding expectations based on gender. 3) So are you s…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 02:57 AM
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It's exclusionary feminism that is a problem, and merely identifying as a feminist does nothing to make men feel safe and included in discussions with you... My only issue with this is the fact that feminists try to say the same thing about men in their spaces and they're accused of being hypocritical, misandrist, and all other kinds of hateful things. I'm not saying either is right, but more that both are wrong. If feminists are supposed to be openminded about those who oppose their opinions, a…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 02:46 AM
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You're putting words in my mouth. I get the distinct feeling that nothing I say to you will change your opinion of me. For the US, reproductive rights touch on something that, biologically, men and women don't share. The fact it's so hard to get to a clinic to for gynecological or pregnancy care in some states, often due to laws against such places in those states, is something that affects women considerably more than men. This isn't just about abortions, this is about STD care (for both gender…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 02:36 AM
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I'm picking my battles here, trying to do as little as I can to incite distain. I'd rather disagree with his point than harp on him for something we share. I did not create an account just to post here. I'm being well and truly honest when I say that I have been a lurker for the most past, this account has been around for a few months. Truthfully, I've always been curious about the MRM, I've always wanted to speak to folks like this who maybe disagree but who have a rational point to their disag…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 02:32 AM
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I did not say always, I said usually. Usually women have been subservient, usually men have been dominant. Of men and women of equal standing/class in a society, typically the male would have more clout over the female. That is history. Now on the subject of wars. Women were often not permitted to fight, but women were killed in wars. Civilian casualties have affected women. If women were perceived as equals, they would be permitted to engage in war as men did. Historically, even children were a…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 02:28 AM
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I've seen plenty of evidence of individuals int he feminist movement being supportive of men having equal (or even full) custody of their children. I think the real evil in that regard is not necessarily feminism, but the perception that women are inherently better at parenting than men are, which is not something that feminism spurred. To your point about the ERA, I don't know what exactly you're trying to say. Yes, some feminists opposed it, but it was also originally sent to congress in the 1…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 02:20 AM
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I am not familiar with every men's rights issue. Maybe you can enlighten me rather than having me do a Google search for a half hour to educate myself.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 02:14 AM
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To point 1: The victimization of women does us no favors. On a personal note it makes my job much harder to do when people view me as weak or a victim or circumstance rather than a capable human being. Those assumptions didn't just come out of feminism, though, when someone at work sees me lifting something heavy and chastises another employee for not helping, it briefly shows a perception of women that we are incapable. This unfounded assumption has been alive for decades. It hurts people like …
/r/MensRights17/04/15 02:12 AM
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Fuck if I care about /r/feminism. They don't like what I have to say then that's their problem, not mine.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 01:58 AM
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I don't know how that showed that I really do believe and support those things, but hey, to each their own interpretation.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 01:55 AM
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Please to not compare rape to what I am doing right now. Rape is not a good analogy, I am not raping you with my beliefs and to respect those who have dealt with rape (male, female, transgender, non-binary, whatever) I ask that you refrain from using that as a comparison. That being said, there are men's advocacy groups that do perpetuate women-hat under the guise of fighting for men. Take Return of Kings for example, I do not think that is a good example of men's rights activism and I don't thi…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 01:54 AM
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Jesus, even when I'm agreeing with you it's not enough. I'm saying that any issues women have now are not the doing of men as a whole. Maybe particular individuals are perpetuating them, but that's not because they are men but because of another issue altogether.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 01:46 AM
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I feel like no matter what I said here it wouldn't have been the right answer for you, judging by your reply. That was me being honest, because I see credibility from both and misunderstanding from both. It's a lack of solid belief in either one that makes me have no opinion, facts over feels, amirite?
/r/MensRights17/04/15 01:43 AM
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No, you're not oppressing me, you're just being a little rude and apparently quite well rooted in your dedication to ignorance.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 01:41 AM
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It's tricky, because the women in those shelters may be unsettled by men being there after having escaped an abusive situation if it was perpetuated by the hands of a man. However, that does not mean there can't be maybe separate spaces for those who need distance. This is more of an issue of "I was bitten by a dog, I'm scared of dogs now, I need time to remember that dogs are more often caring and affectionate." If the shelter does not have the funds for those spaces they should be ready and wi…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:39 PM
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Feminism has done things to earn its reputation, but I believe that means those that contradict it should be encouraged. There have been instances of destruction, but there are also instances of real change and good things happening. I see a lot of feminist spaces as being welcoming as of late, places where those who have experiences problems that they can relate to are brought into the fold. I'm not asking for sympathy for the feminist movement, but rather support for it where it does right to …
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:36 PM
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There have been plenty of societies across history where men have been oppressed, but historically that bottom run is usually reserved for women. This does not mean injustice didn't happen to men, but that women were typically in a subservient role, a role that is outdated in our modern society. I don't think men are oppressors, to oppress someone you have to be actively and consciously engaged in it. Men simply occupy a space that is typically more dominant. What I advocate for is a society tha…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:33 PM
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it's about picking your battles, my friend. I can't fight tooth and nail for every cause I believe in. I just wouldn't have time and I have a life that needs doing. That being said, if there were such a campaign I came across then I would certainly support it.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:30 PM
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Alright, I'm getting real tired of this "you and your feminism are the source of all problems". Bring me stats and we'll talk.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:29 PM
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Well, that's an interesting piece of insight, I will disagree with you but you're entitled to your opinion.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:28 PM
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Your analogy is poor. Why wouldn't a drowning person hold onto a life preserver? I am a feminist, I am an egalitarian, I am what I am. I support feminism like I support lung cancer research; I have personal reasons for one, but that doesn't mean I don't support cancer research as a whole.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:27 PM
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I don't see that, I don't see any evidence of that, so please stop generalizing me.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:26 PM
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Only if you do the same, my friend.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:25 PM
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The fringes of most movements are crazy and shit, that just seems to be the way of things.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:25 PM
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Because it isn't. You're cherrypicking and I refuse to do the same. MRA has its demons, so does feminism. I'm not blaming you for the stupid stuff people say in the name of men's rights, I expect you would do the same for me.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:25 PM
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Well, considering I do like feminism, there will be some hints of that in the way I communicate, but I am not here to convert anyone or tell anyone why they're "wrong". Your'e free to speak from an MRA perspective, just as I'm free to speak through a feminist perspective.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:23 PM
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Don't tell me what to do. I can call myself whatever I choose to and if you can't bring yourself to speak with someone who identifies as a feminist then I suppose we have nothing to say to one another. You can intemperate my movement as you like, I'll do the same, thank you.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:22 PM
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The world will never be perfect, I can accept that. I think there must be advocating for all genders to ensure that everyone is represented fairly. If one country is doing well in the world, you don't remove them from the UN because they no longer require support. There will be cases where helping someone will make someone else's life harder. Women will have to accept, just as men will, that some of the privileges they've gotten used to will no longer exist if they want equality. So long as thos…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:20 PM
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I am an egalitarian, I am also a feminist. I will not change who I am because some other people have done bad things in the name of it. What I do instead is hold onto the equal values I've held for some time and use that to do what I can to improve the movement. I'm not abandoning my ship, I'm going to pitch in and save her.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:17 PM
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We are changing for the better and that pleases me immensely. The whole point now is to keep it going forward, just like with any movement.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:15 PM
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There's no one to blame. No one alive right now. Blaming men for things that happened, things that they maybe even took advantage of in the past, is like blaming white people for slavery. Yes, they might have been the perpetuators for the most part, but modern people now have nothing to do with it. A man is no more to blame for the system than I am, unless he's proven himself to be very clearly sexist. In that case then we have a whole other issue on our hands, one we still can't blame solely on…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:14 PM
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Those are two separate issues and they should be regarded separately. Someone who can't do that should take a step back and look at the causes of these problems, if your friends can't do that then they have a problem.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:11 PM
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No. I do believe that there are times when people don't fully understand the implications of what they say and do, especially concerning rape and sexual-assault, but I wouldn't call it a "culture".
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:09 PM
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Nice to see a friendly greeting. I would accept your offer but sexist hearts give me indigestion. You're right, there are things that aren't compatible right now, but I've seen spaces especially like TwoX starting to make a dramatic shift towards real openness and equality. If things continue as they are do you think it would be possible for us to put are differences aside and work together. Or at the very least end the animosity.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:07 PM
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Por que no los dos? I can be a feminist and a humanist and a dozen different things. I've seen plenty of feminist leadership that does not show distain for men, not to mention the roots of the movement are something I believe in. You don't drop your flag just because it gets hard to hold, you throw your shoulders back and do what you can to make things right.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:05 PM
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Because there are different breeds in just about any movement. You guys have your RedPill issues, I don't believe that they're representative of your ideology as a whole, though. They're loud and radical and people like to talk about them, sounds like a similar problem feminist have.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:02 PM
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Honestly, I don't know what to say one way or the other. I have seen compelling arguments and studies for both, so at this current moment it exists in limbo for me. I could believe it exists, but I could also believe that the statistics are outdated or otherwise slanted. When I see something that well and truly roots me in one camp or another, then I will have an answer for you. Until then, I choose to have no opinion rather than one that is wrong and uninformed.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:01 PM
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I'm not trying to promote feminism, I don't care if each and every one of you is not a feminist, that's cool. What I'm trying to find out is how we can worth through the animosity between our two groups that seems petty at best.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:58 PM
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I've had issues on here regarding how many comments I've posted in the past (literally none) I didn't think I would be in any position to use the same issue against them. I appreciate the welcome, though, it is very encouraging.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:56 PM
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I don't understand why this is relevant. Feminists are not massacring an ethnic or religious group.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:54 PM
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Well, unfortunately I can't do anything about that right now, I would rather spend the time I have left today on the post I've already made. Do what you feel, maybe I'll post again on here sometime, our paths will cross, and at that point I'll have more to show.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:51 PM
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I'm not here to validate myself or anything else to you. I'm here to gain insight and start a discussion. If you do not intend to entertain that with me, then that's your choice and I will respect that.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:49 PM
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I also spend a lot of time there, r/TumblrInAction is always good for a laugh too. It is a bad image, I know exactly the one you're talking about, but I'd never leave the computer if I spent the whole time chasing after these people, trying to "fix" them.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:48 PM
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I consider myself a feminist because I believe in the equality of genders and in advocating for women's rights specifically, but not exclusively. Some of the most important issues that I've seen here in the United States would be those of social inequality and reproductive rights. Abroad, though, we see a myriad of injustices specifically towards women and I think it's important for women across the world to show support for one another.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:46 PM
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Then feminism needs a reformation. I've seen it start happening, there's places like TwoX and the groups I'm associated with in real life are welcoming and work in tandem with other sorts of equal rights groups. There are double standards for both men and women, we need to alleviate both.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:44 PM
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Because I don't view it as a hate group and in my personal experience it isn't one. I believe in feminism because I think it's important to advocate for women's rights, just as it's important to advocate for men's rights. We can have both.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:42 PM
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I don't believe it was taking advantage, I think it was perpetuating a system that had been in place for centuries. Men are no more at fault for it than anyone else, but now that we are aware of it, we have the opportunity to help both men and women while promoting equality for both. Those who believe men should be put down are no better than those who believe women should be kept down. But just like you all don't agree with the RedPill group, I'm free to disagree with feminist who exhibit those…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:41 PM
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Concern troll is concerned now.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:38 PM
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I think that it should still be a thing but that it should not be synonymous with "husband gives wife money". Each situation depends on the individuals, so I can't say one way or the other, but men are just as entitled to it as women, given the circumstances that it's appropriate at all.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:36 PM
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I don't have a history, I haven't posted before this point. Cool your jets, dude. There's nothing I can do for it, believe what you want, I'm just here to talk.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:34 PM
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Parts of it, but the patriarchy theory is often based on blaming men for these things, which I do not believe is appropriate.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:33 PM
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Oooh, so much bold. So easy to read. I've gotten a lot of calls to link to these posts, but there are none. I'm sorry. If that's where the validity of my discussion stand in your opinion, then I cannot fulfill your needs. I'm not here to advocate for feminism, nor tell you you're better or worse than feminists, I'm here to start a discussion.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:32 PM
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Well, I've been trying to prove it here, but as I've explained before I don't post much on Reddit. I'm more active in feminist activities in my real life, and in those I do advocate against misandry. I'm sorry you can't see that, I can't do anything to prove it, but I hope that my attitude here is enough to at least make you believe I support men's rights.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:31 PM
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I call myself a feminist because that's what I am, if other people interoperate that differently that's their discretion.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:30 PM
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Terrible feminist. Is this like the good witch versus the bad witch in the Wizard of Oz. No, Dorothy, I pinky promise I'm the good witch of the north, green is very much not my color.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:29 PM
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You make the claim that all feminists hate men, that they're misandrists, and when you have one among you who is make the very real attempt to understand and collaborate you still can't accept it. Isn't this what you want? Don't you want someone who believes in your cause and is willing to support it in tandem with their own? I'd like you to try and find anything I've said here that would even remotely suggest I dislike men. Indeed, ask me about anything if it's a tried and true fact that I mist…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:28 PM
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If you do, I ask that you link to this post (or one like it), mostly because I think it's a good example of real discussion happening.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:23 PM
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I will look into it when I have more time to read. I see it's linked on your sidebar here, I'll remember that.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:22 PM
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It's not a throwaway, until this point I've lurked a shit ton. I'm active in feminist communities in real life, and when belligerent misandry rears its ugly head, yes, I voice my disagreement. On the subject of this question, I already explained myself above and once I've gleaned enough here I could feasibly take the argument to them too. Not to mention, I wanted examples of good, thoughtful responses from the MRAs to link to. For the most part I've gotten that.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:22 PM
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That is also a stereotype we seem to carry, thanks for the reminder.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:20 PM
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One can subscribe to bother feminism and egalitarianism, just like the same can be said for egalitarianism and the MRM. I'm a little hurt by what you think of me, but I also understand that likely you and others on this sub have had similar experiences before. I honestly think that men have issues that are often overlooked because they are men and presumed to be in the position of power. Issues of family justice, social norms, unfair treatment in the justice system, all disproportionately weighe…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:16 PM
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Actually, this isn't a throwaway profile, I'm just a serial lurker until this point. I didn't say true feminism, I said the fundamentals of the movement. The fundamentals are based on equality, but it has been bastardized in a number of circles to mean something much, much different. I believe that needs to change, the only way to do that is to be a voice for equality to help drown out those who openly practice misandry.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:11 PM
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I don't believe in the patriarchy, nor in "rape culture". I understand where those ideas came from, but they encompass a much larger, much more intricate problem than they suggest. So, yes, I believe in the equality of both genders.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:10 PM
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Yeesh, you seem like a friendly sort. It seems you have already made up your mind about what feminism is, and frankly who and what I am. I am not here to change your mind, I am not here to hawk feminism. I'm here to talk to those willing to have a legitimate, mature discussion. Thank you for your opinion.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:05 PM
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Woah there buddy, ease up now. Anyone who infringes on the rights of someone else is not cool in my book, equally, anyone who supports the rights of individuals in need is squared away to me. No one should be threatened, harmed, or infringed upon for having an opinion, even if it is an unpopular one. As a woman, I think we should be included in the draft, I would sign up tomorrow if it became a law and I would advocate for it every day. We are just as capable of serving as men are, we should be …
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:03 PM
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Family court issues, for one. Women want to be represented equally, that means acknowledging they can be ill- and well-suited for parenthood as men can be. Social expectations for either gender. Women are expected to act a certain way, men are expected to act a certain way. Neither group is made better for these assumptions, let's make it something we can discuss together. Sexual Assault/Abuse/Rape. It happens to men too, we all know that. Let's support one another in our shared experience and a…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 05:56 PM
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I could, but I wanted to test the waters out here first. I understand this movement less than I do feminism, it seemed prudent to get your opinion before going to those communities.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 05:53 PM
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I understand your trepidations about the feminist movement, as someone who operated within it it makes me cringe whenever I see that kind of abuse of the ideology. A point of disagreement, though, I don't believe in the patriarchy theory, at least not as it is represented in general. I do believe that we have a system that has put men in a position of assumed power, but I also know that this is not the case for some individuals, and that often this "position of power" can be just as damaging for…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 05:52 PM
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Advocating for equality in family courts is exactly what we need. I can imagine why it isn't such a hot-button issue as it stands now, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be. Another reason why if feminist and MRA voices spoke together, especially on issues like this, then they would gain more traction as a collective.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 05:44 PM
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Hey now, this kind of broad stereotyping isn't serving anyone. There are at least enough good, rational individuals out there who support feminism that the camps I am active in do not actively engage in any of these activities. We can argue whether it's the majority of the minority until we're blue in the face, but it's at least enough that what you've said is questionable at best. Please be respectful.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 05:41 PM
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There are circlejerks on both sides of the coin, but I think there are also an equal amount of self-reflection and critical thinking. Let's take Tumblr for instance. Nine times out of ten is it a seething pit of SJW trash, self-proclaimed feminists who disregard the fundamentals of the movement, even blatant misandrists. Those people are awful, they require a good smack in the face with hard facts and reality. On that same idea, I frequent TwoX (no one is surprised) and I've seen on several occa…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 05:38 PM
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You're right, I think a stereotyping of both labels is close to the heart of the issue. Feminists elicit the image of the fat, lesbian bra-burner, and the MRA is a fedora-wearing neckbeard. Neither of these images appropriately and accurately describes the backbone of the movement, but it is what we use to sling mud at one another. Maybe it's the responsibility of those who perhaps respect both groups to promote community between both of them. A lot of Men's rights issues are tangled with women'…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 05:28 PM
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I think it's safe to say we have differences of opinion, but that goes without saying. I would imagine if you support equality then you, while understandably not being a feminist, would support many of the ideas and advocations of those who you'd call a minority, the equal-minded feminists. It is not your responsibility to reform feminism, but if you dislike the bastardized version of it then do you advocate for those who do promote equality while identifying with the feminist label?
/r/MensRights16/04/15 05:25 PM
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