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Bonig/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/13 11:54 PM
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did change a lot after I saw the stuff for a few other reasons. Which kind of reasons and what did you change? What are the qualities of a perfect RPW though? I want to know that before I answer. To my understanding a RPW is like a 50s housewife. (RPW chime in to correct me plz.) She is good at housekeeping, gardening and cooking, taking care of her looks and being a great mom. She doesn't have career plans but will work if the financial situation requires her to. She is educated, but not more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 04:30 PM
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When did you first encounter TRP online? Did you ever post in TRP? Did your expoure to TRP knowledge or TBP satire of TRP affect your real life in any way? Do you find a RWP, i.e. the supposed qualities of a perfect RPW attractive? Attractive as in "would hang out with" or "would fuck" or "would marry"? Why (not)? Do you know people in RL that follow TRP ideology, even if they might call it differently? Would you like to describe them and your relationship with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 04:05 PM
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I'm from Germany. Separation of church and state is not really done properly here. The government even collects taxes for the Catholic and Lutheran churches. Two of the parties that are represented in parliament call themselves "Christian" and promote the idea that certain values are particularly Christian and tied to religious belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/14 03:22 PM
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Because it is an counterexample against the notion that Christian values be perpetuated through Christianity only (with Christianity including the belief in God). In my country, Christian parties are a huge thing. The idea that Christianity as a religion is needed to have Christian values and morals is widespread. It would be even more interesting to hear how many of the atheist/agnostic people who pursue Christian values were raised Christian and later converted to atheism/agnosticism and how m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/14 08:32 AM
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There is nothing there that suggests that because they see someone as inferior that they are disliked. Someone or something that's seen as inferior is not necessarily disliked but always disrespected. Disrespecting someone because of their phenotype is a form of hatred, to my understanding. Depending on the particular body feature (complexion, genitals) we are talking about hatred in form of racism, or misandry, or misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/14 08:13 PM
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I don't think jealousy is acquired in another sense than compersion is acquired. I imagine it be like homosexuality. It's either in the genes or acquired very early, however it can't be changed once it's there. Some feel it, some don't. Those who are prone to compersion can be happy with a polyamorous partner, those who tend to feel jealous will possibly seek monogamous partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/14 03:03 PM
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Most dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive. OP asked for personal understandings, not for rewritings of dictionary entries.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/14 02:47 PM
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No matter how much responsibility you assign to her, it doesn't take the responsibility from him to not abuse her. Just because she may have taken the responsibility to leave earlier doesn't give you the right to say it was her fault. He did something wrong and she allowed it. Stilll it was him who did something wrong, so it was his fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 06:03 PM
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Yes, that's right in a way. It's your responsibility to protect others from a danger of which you know and the other person doesn't. Everything else would be reckless endangerment or negligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 05:03 PM
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You were coming up with the flame/abuser - hand/victim analogy. See the implications: You are right, when I put my hand beneath a flame and get burnt, that is purely my own fault. It's my fault because the flame can't think. It can't realize that burning hurts me and it can't stop burning me. A human abuser usually is able to think. They should realize that their behavior hurts other people and they should stop it. If they don't, it's purely the abuser's fault, never the victim's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 03:35 PM
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If I stick my finger by a flame and it burns, then continue to place my hand over the flame and watch my hand burn, is it the flames fault or my dumb ass? So you're edit: saying implying that an abuser is irresponsible for his actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 09:08 AM
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What do you mean by T?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/14 12:03 PM
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Medical screenings are not necessary because of lustful behavior, but because of failed protection. Anyway, medical screenings cost money. You pay for what you take.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/14 12:58 AM
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fucking everything with an erection and a pulse, You're saying as long as I just fuck all the women I'm fine? Great!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/14 03:37 AM
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Sex is not a need, Sexuality is a need. True freedom is the ability to control desire. Learn about stoicism. Two (or more) consenting adults need absolutely no knowledge in acient Greek philosophy to have fun with their genitals. They can and should fuck as much as they like as long as everybody likes it. As for eating disorders, again immoral or sinful is just another word for addictive, just an older word meaning the same thing: don't do it too often, there will be consequences. Hahahaha, no. …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/14 03:20 AM
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I assume that college students are consenting adults, therefore yes, they may fuck around as much as they want. To my understanding, the concept of sin doesn't apply here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/14 06:51 PM
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At least the part about lust is outdated. I can see nothing immoral about following your sexual needs. Also, gluttony. Eating disorders are not generally considered immoral or even sinful but rather unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/14 06:25 AM
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I generally second what you wrote, however I don't like how you only adressed the male perspective. You spoke of "some men", so you admit that your thoughts won't apply to any man, and your text with reversed genders works for "some women", too. So what's your point? People sometimes just want sex. Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/14 11:12 PM
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Why are some richer than others, if we're all equal value then that eould be reflected by income wouldn't it? So you are thinking a rich person is more valuable than a poor person? To me, human value is independent from money. Why are you more loyal to your family thab a stranger, dies your fsmily have more value to you then a stranger? Here we are getting to something. You are right. For every person there are different factors that make them value another person. As you said, your family membe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/14 10:54 PM
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Like any other type of body-modification it's not for me, however if consenting adults like it they should go for it. Also, if it's a necessary medical procedure it can be done early with a doctor's advice. Parents shouldn't neither circumcise their boys and girls nor should they tattoo them, pierce them, nor give them head bagels.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/14 08:51 PM
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The red pill is arguing what type of fish are in the fish tank and the blue pill is saying there is no fish tank. More like TRP is arguing whether there be 1 or 1000 gods and TBP saying that as long as there is no objective measure for the existence of any god it's no use debating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/14 10:29 PM
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But it still doesn't disprove the original statement that females are worth more than males. A 1:1 ratio of male/female is best to maintain a healthy gene pool, so it disproves the assumption that a human's worth can be measured based upon his fertility alone. As I already mentioned here fertility is a bad measure for a human's value.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/14 05:40 PM
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No, another limiting factor is genetics, see my post above. You do not only want to fertilize a female, but to produce healthy offspring. That little performance detail is not a valid reason for the assumed need of protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/14 04:38 PM
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One man could. Sorry, that's again a faulty assumption. The male and female genome contribute equally to to the child's genome. One male and ten females produce a generation of half-siblings whose offspring will be very prone to genetic diseases. We can also learn from projects to protect endangered species that a population of one male/ten females is to small to survive. You need at least several hundreds of individuals, males and females alike.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/14 04:35 PM
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In our society, every human is equally valuable. If that were true would we even be discussing it? The fact that you doubt something doesn't make it wrong. Actually, the opposite is true. If we wouldn't be allowed to question our beliefs and discuss our questions then our asumptions would turn into dogmas or axioms. A dogma can be true, but it doesn't become more true by not discussing it. It may be politically incorrect to say some people are less valuable but the fact is they are. simply how t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/14 04:22 PM
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What makes these assumptions incorrect? Women traditionally needed protection to ensure the continuation of all of us. Please follow me on a little thought experiment. Imagine we are on a mission to Mars to set up a prosper colony there. Once we were 100 brave men and 100 brave women. Since we left earth, 90 women have died from a strange disease. Now we are facing are famine. Yes, if I was the leader of the experiment, in this case I would advise to feed the women first and treat them in a spec…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/14 03:53 PM
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Why is this such a problem? Because it's a faulty reflection of reality with faulty premises based on incorrect assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/14 02:20 PM
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Your first argument is based on the assumption that it is the ability to have children that separates the human being from a valuable human being. That's not true. A man who is childless is equally valuable as a man with many children. Also, valuability is not dependent on the potential ability to have children. In our society, every human is equally valuable. Your second argument is a perfect example of redpill solipsism: A women will not love a man the way he wants to be loved. Only because yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/14 01:17 PM
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It was the opposition, in fact, that comes from the BDSM people. Not only the BPers who are BDSMers themselves differentiate between freely, consensually, and consciously chosen power imbalances and those that are somehow enforced. It's just that those BPers who aren't familiar with BDSM wouldn't chose the term D/s in the first place. See my edit from before: I reject power imbalances that are based on TRP strategy because I doubt that you can achieve consensual power imbalance purely based on m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 08:14 PM
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D/s means "dominance and submission" usually in relation to sexuality and relationships. (...) It's not the opposite, as "BDSM" was defined in the comment I was responding to as power exchange/difference. You can define it as you want, but in your OP you were clearly putting D/s in the context of BDSM, therefore I am going to respond to that without repeating it over and over again. I, BPers, RPW, and TRPers agree that TRP is not a variety of BDSM, so what are you still arguing about? Edit: I re…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 07:17 PM
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If you and /u/jacks1000 think his critizism of feminism is valid and worth a debate, you guys should consider x-posting to /r/feminism or a related subreddit. I am not critisizing TRP in terms of feminism or for the purpose of feminism. Also I think 24/7 D/s relationships are valid concepts, i just don't think that TRP lifestyle and 24/7 D/s relationships (in the style of BDSM) have much in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 07:11 PM
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power differences in a relationship - thus, according to you, makes you a BDSMer Absolutely not! D/s doesn't just mean power imbalance. It means freely, consensually, and consciously chosen power imbalance for the purpose of sexual pleasure. older man with a younger woman... everyone acknowledges that's a power difference, thus BDSM No, relationships with huge age differences are not automatically BDSM stuff. TRP supposedly use their superior power - "game" "manipulation" "age" etc. - over these…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 06:05 PM
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"BDSM" is a description of certain kinds of human sexual behavior, it has no ability to "disprove" anything. Let's not pick on wording. I meant the existence of BDSM and people who practice it, disproves... See my edit. don't think that dom/sub is a "sexual preference" on the level of homosexuality, I don't think it's "inborn." There is no proof that homosexuality is inborn, either. It is definitely not purely genetic, because identic twins with differing sexualities exist. Homosexuality either …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 05:28 PM
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feminists think that having a dom a woman just met tying her up and flogging her at a sex club is liberating, but a happily married submissive wife is being "oppressed." This is not feminism vs. BDSM. TBP isn't feminism and more importantly, RPW aren't a bunch of femsubbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 05:42 AM
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You're mistaken. The word stalker doesn't mean what you think it means. Stalking means seeking personal contact. I never did that and it's nothing that TBP supports. I understand where you are coming from because I started from a view point similar to yours. During the last few months I had to learn that TRP had no interest in being explained by sexual preferences like BDSM. As you said, TRP is a strategy, not a preference. Making fun of a (in my opinion shitty, because it's so limited) strategy…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 05:33 AM
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When I read "All women are like that" I understand "All women are like that" and when my experience doesn't fit into that claim, I will point it out. It won't get simpler. fascinating by their sexual interests If you're into D/s that's great, but you shouldn't try to find people who share your personal interest within a group that clearly distances itself from BDSM.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 04:40 AM
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TRP says to treat their wife like a child, ... it's obvious TRP is talking about their potential or current girlfriends and wives. No, it is far from obvious. That's just your personal interpretation. You can't just throw around generalisations and then suddenly claim they only apply to a small subset. Be concise and be specific. People will understand you better and you will encounter less "rage boners". I'm pretty sure many BPers will lose interest in harrassing TRP if TRP stops using generali…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 04:10 AM
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Relevant source: Here a mod of RPW makes clear that "RPW is not BDSM". Also in that thread, you can see a TRP mod agreeing with the statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 03:43 AM
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The expensive part is not the bag of sugar, salt, and water, but the part where they attach you to it in a way that you don't die from sepsis shortly after.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 01:53 AM
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Absolutely. What does this have to do with what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 03:53 PM
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How would you come to that conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 06:40 AM
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I know what you are talking about, but if your eye was better trained you'd realize that men and women alike show this kind of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/14 03:38 PM
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How would you tell apart real empathy and fake empathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/14 01:04 PM
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I really just don't see any benefit in a woman having sex. If she wants an orgasm there are vibrators for clitoral stimulation. Depending on your fetish, an orgasm shared with another person can be much more satisfying than an orgasm by a vibrator. A vibrator does exactly and only what you make it do. Another person might surprise or even guide you. Perhaps you are one of those who don't like surprises, which is absolutely fine to me, but please see that there are people who enjoy these things y…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/14 02:50 PM
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Did I get that right that they didn't really check on sex frequency, but only ask the participants? A possible interpretation of the given data could be that men who share housework brag less about their sex frequency, when asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 01:54 AM
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Napoleon without his army became a persecuted lonely loser sitting on St. Helena awaiting his death. the leader inherently has leader qualities. A person who fails to lead others obviously lacks these qualitites.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 11:20 AM
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How can someone be a leader without a group of peers to lead?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 12:54 AM
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It's not about time and energy. It's not about worthyness. It's just about boundaries. If your SO says no, you should respect that and not whine and question their decision. Imho neither "I want you to take me into the ice cream shop only once plz plz u did it before" nor "I want you to take me into the ass only once plz plz u did it before" suit a a healthy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/14 01:03 PM
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So you are saying that doing sexual favors to your SO is in any way comparable to saving someone's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/14 01:34 PM
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Bear fights are not a question of sexual taboos and dislikes. Why would you care if an ex was upset with you because you refused to apply a special sexual technique on her?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/14 08:22 AM
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Somehow that person was worth for those things but you aren't. My partners decisions depend on their willingness not on my worthyness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/14 03:48 PM
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If a partner doesn't meet one's desires one may always choose to find somebody new particularly if one can't accept the unfulfilled desires. This is independent from what the partner did or did not with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/14 10:44 AM
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That's a comprehensive definition. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/13 05:43 AM
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You are right, the moderate comments are a reason trp is mocked and you won't change this by removing the unbearable ones. However, these single unbearable comments are the reason why people think very bad of the whole subreddit and of all participants, so anyway you'd do yourselves a favour by dissociating yourselves more clearly from them. Edit: Adequacy of language.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/13 11:16 PM
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Ooooh, I thought your point was that TPE didn't have a sexual connotation. It for sure has, but some rare enthusiast don't get tired to emphasize that all sexual connotation has been lost and they just live the lifestyle for other reasons. I guess these are in fact trpers, as you suggested. Wat is this, peace and agreement in my ppd ;) Thx, buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/13 07:05 PM
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I don't think it's safe to say that a kink includes a political ideology within its framework Ok, I think we can come to an agreement. TPE = power exchange for kinky reasons TRP = power exchange for ideological reasons Also, apparently there is a considerable overlap between TPEers and TRPers as is between ssc-bdsmers and TPEers and in TRPers and ssc-bdsmers. But as you emphasized this should not be a reason to lump them together.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/13 04:55 PM
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I don't know about official definitions. I doubt that they exist. It's just that at our munch and several play parties I attended, TPEers were around and seemed to share interests with the regular bdsmers. From both groups many were into bondage or fetish. From both groups some were exhibitionists/voyeurs. And all shared the interest in power dynamics in relationships, even though they manifested on different levels. In my experience TPE is used to describe a power relation and not a purely sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/13 03:56 PM
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I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, but I think you are mixing up 24/7 bdsm and TPE bdsm. To my understanding TPE is different from 24/7 in that 24/7 is about the sexual connotation, TPE is about everything else. A TPE dom would choose for his bottom how to dress, what to eat and - within some couples - even whom to meet (friends or family), where and whether to go to work and how to spend the money. If you now add the belief that this kind of lifestyle is the best (the only functioning …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/13 02:29 PM
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Thank for clarifying, I must say I share your opinion on this. Personal question: What do you think about some trpers' assumption that this cheating and betrayal is a natural thing to do for women. For you it's not natural, but rather an abomination, yet still I saw you in other threads identifying as rp woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/13 03:33 PM
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I don't believe cheating is healthy, and it's absolutely unacceptable to use a man purely for his wallet. You put this into the context of men raising other men's children. Question on that: I slightly agree on the cheating part: I think it's not only unhealthy but betrayal to lie to men about their fatherhood. But what do you mean by "purely for his wallet". They betrayed non-bio father still raises a child - his child. He will act as a role model and will have much influence on his child. As y…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/13 05:49 PM
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What you say is true for ssc bdsm in the sense of "safe sane consensual". Others play rack bdsm in the sense of "risk aware consensual kinkyness". And again others live 24/7 tpe in the sense of "total power exchange". These three types are common bdsm varieties, none is more prototypical than the other. I see strong parallels between trp and tpe. I'd say tpe + ideological framework = trp
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/13 12:54 PM
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You're right. I used shy as a synonym for submissive which admittedly doesn't work here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/13 02:18 AM
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Other women are naturally more dominant ... they would never consider being submissive to a man unless they met a stronger and more dominant man. Absolutely true, and we should also mention the shyest girl who becomes dominant when she meets a sufficiently more submissive man. I'd assume, for you can be dominant and submissive you must be a switch. Would you agree to that? Or would you rather that dominant man turned out your true self? Accordingly, by the same type of reasoning, we could argue …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/13 06:28 PM
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He wasn't comparing trp to good, but he was drawing a connection between two ideologies that are based purely on belief. While I don't share the impression that following any of those could be helpful, at least not to me, I think the bare comparison is valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/13 07:19 AM
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I think that's generally an issue in science culture. Either you are a student and get everything for free or they charge you ridiculous fees that supposedly no-one would ever pay. Also, I'm confused by legal citation policies. Can't I cite complete paragraphs if I do it for science/education? Wouldn't this subreddit count as educational?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/13 10:27 AM
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I think that's what TRP calls 'blue pill behavior'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/13 06:26 PM
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Don't know what you want to say with this. Anyway, what I wanted to say is, if I always end up with women who prefer betas, this could be because I just am beta. Also I wasn't talking about myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/13 04:38 PM
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"I'm alpha, but the girls I hook up with say they prefer betas" yields at least two interpretations. Either all these girls are wrong and don't know what they want or... ... I need to adjust my self-awareness for a mismatch between internal and external perception of my greek letter status.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/13 04:29 PM
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no one notices or mentions scientology. Interesting. So perhaps my view of American culture was a bit Hollywood-biased/-distorted. In Germany we also don't talk much about Scientology, but when you are to be employed by the state, say as a teacher at university, you have to sign a sheet saying that you don't have and never had any affiliations with extremist groups, parties and organizations. Scientology is the only religious one of the ~200 groups listed there, among mostly Nazis, Communists an…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/13 04:16 PM
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Thanks for sharing your impression. What do you, as an American, think about my examples of extremism? Do you perceive them extremist? (ITT we're sharing personal experiences and stereotypes, so I don't want to argue much, but hear one snippet of thought: I think the size of a country plays a minor role when it comes to diversity. Russia is way bigger that the US, but their current legislation doesn't seem to be so friendly towards minorities and extreme positions.)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/13 05:48 AM
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Anecdotal evidence: I'm not from TRP (I can relate to some of TRP's topics but prefer to joke about those I reject) and I'm from Germany. Talking clichés, on the one hand I perceive Germans to be more rude and more direct than Americans. It's Americans who invented political correctness. On the other hand, I believe that Americans in general show more support/less rejection of extremist positions. Examples of positions that I as a German consider extremist. I allege that for Americans these are …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/13 04:40 PM
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OK, I see what you're aiming at, and I can understand this particularly well when I think about the recurring topics in this sub. ... the rapists is acting out of the delustion that the victim "likes it". The second case is what I'm getting at ... If you just get her really drunk, ignore her protests and... This wasn't exactly what I was talking about. Yours is an example of where the rapist ignores the victim as in: then the victim saying no or saying yes or doing nothing won't change anything.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/13 02:04 PM
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This is very important. Not sure why you are downvoted here. Also, I think a source from the 70s can still be valid nowadays if the subject is small enough that no newer research has been conducted in the mean time. But as you said, generally speaking, this is not the case for social sciences, psychology, biology and neuroscience and other fields relevant to our topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/13 01:04 PM
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If their position is "We can't draw a conclusion" then lack of data makes them in fact right. Also I still don't see what I should extract from these data.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 11:51 PM
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I don't have access here. Tomorrow I can try. I hope I won't forget about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 11:43 PM
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I don't think that voters have to back up their choices with science, but a politician can gain a lot of credibility if he backs up his claims with data.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 09:49 PM
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A joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 07:37 PM
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I choose not to. I'm neither oppressed. Again. Likes may vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 07:35 PM
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You see, I don't have a reason to feel offended. But I understand if others do. My point was and is that very often, when it comes to the debate of TRP topics, the boundary between personal likes and falsifiable claims becomes blurry. Therefore I advocate for a clearer expression of which of the two we want to convey. You may chose if this applies to you or not. Also, you lost me at dimorphic dynamic. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 07:34 PM
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Mh, I read it that way. Sorry, that you have to laugh at other people's sensitivity. You must be a fun person to hang out with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 07:26 PM
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If you make it clear in any way that you are talking about your personal likes and feelings (my example 2, your example 1) I'm fine. But as long as someone sounds as if they can't tell apart the two (which you apparently can), don't be disappointed if I have to assume they are not that intelligent. Edit: Also, TempestT complained that she was constantly misunderstood, so I gave her a recommendation how to change that. Yes I may do that. She doesn't have to follow it, but I think she knows that. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 07:09 PM
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It's ok. She wasn't that bad and actually I dumped her for other reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 06:59 PM
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Nah, this is not how it works. I can't promise you to not dismiss your data, should they turn out to be bad science. Anyway, let's just assume (in the sense of totally make up) 43% of women said they married for money, 23% of women said they married for looks and 29% of women marry for personality. 5% were like "dunno". Then one could say "the largest group of women claimed they married for money" but still this wouldn't prove anything because most women (100%-43%=57%) did not say they marry for…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 06:57 PM
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Thanks for the effort. Het. men surveyed want women within -13 to 5 years age difference etc. This appears to be an average value of the whole group? I don't believe all hetero men gave the exact same answer, so I don't think we can learn much from that. To do interesting statistics we need to know how many persons answered exactly what. To draw a valid conclusion we should also name how many subjects did not fit into our model. Het. Men rate importance of attraction at 7.5 etc. What was the sca…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 06:43 PM
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I understand. Do you agree with my example? (See my answer to his her post.)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 06:32 PM
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Does this happen to you on a regular basis? You can learn how to express yourself without upsetting people. This doesn't have to do anything with solipsism. Stick to your observations and no one will be offended. Examples: 1) Women stink, so you shouldn't have sex with them. Understand that this will offend women and also people who like sex with women. 2) My ex-girlfriend smelled bad, so I didn't want to have sex with her and left her. This is understandable to, I believe, everyone including wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 06:29 PM
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I know that at least one woman on this earth chose her man because he makes a lot of money. She's a friend of mine and told me so. They are happy and have a child. Vice versa I know at least one poor guy without any money who nonetheless lives a fulfilling relationship. He's a friend of mine and I was at his wedding. They married after 8 years. So both extremes exist and pretty sure any shade in between, but this doesn't lead me to accept or reject an abstract concept of which I don't even know …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 06:22 PM
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I don't have access from this computer. Would you mind to post the numbers and the methods? Like, which percentage of men preferred younger women and how was it investigated? Also, I don't see how this proves anything or rather, which message you want to convey with your (nonetheless informative) post.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 06:00 PM
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I haven't been around much A recurring point of criticism is that TRP overgeneralizes their ideas and observations. This leads to people feeling offended without necessarily being attacked in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 05:43 PM
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Nah, I think it's fun. Let's play.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 05:37 PM
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Non-TRPer here. I don't believe in the patriarchy either. For I am not exactly familiar with feminist terminology could you please elaborate which aspects of the patriarchy TRP rejects?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 05:36 PM
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My personal preferences. Sexual value good hygiene skinny appearance, not sporty or visible muscle bumps shares some of my kinks openness towards new experiences relationship value openness towards new things (activities, food, travel) shares my long term goals shares my daily routines able to state their opinion and desires doesn't nag, doesn't tattle If there are differences between what gives a man value and what gives a woman value, why? Nope. What do you think people who don't see as you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 03:44 PM
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So women are the gatekeepers of vagina and men are the keykeepers of penis. Now it makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 03:15 PM
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Thanks for your explanation. I've taken my time to think about it, so here's more questions. Do I get you right that the term rape culture is an umbrella term for certain behaviors/phenomena that are thought to be related to rape? (By "are thought to", do you mean pulled out of someone's buttocks? Whose thoughts are you referring to?) For example, if you are in a close-knit community that believes that something can't be rape unless a person explicitly says, "No", then obviously then the probabi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 12:56 PM
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I like to hear your story. You sound content. I CHOOSE to defer to his judgement. Would you agree that you do so because that's only natural for you as a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/13 01:05 AM
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Skim through his previous posts as he suggested to doublecheck your interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 10:49 PM
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You may think what you want. As long as you don't claim to know it or be able to prove it, that's ok for me. Also, I believe that you came to your opinion by a thorough observation of your environment. So perhaps there is a majority of submissive women in your environment. Let's accept that for the sake of the argument. To respond to your opening question: The few outliers are generally ... I care, because you are judging people who act differently by building up dichotomies like "us vs. them". …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 10:40 PM
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Some truely submissive persons are very happy when they can shift responsibilities to their partners, I agree to that, but you should acknowledge that this applies to persons of any gender. "1950s relationship" refers to the fact that a certain lifestyle was considered standard during these days. It does not mean that all relationships were led according to that standard. Also, yes, many women were miserable at that time. I guess the percentage of truly submissive women hasn't changed since then…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 02:17 PM
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Please respect my wishes to be identified by the genderless pronoun 'thon'. Thon is for third person singular only. You is for second person and genderless anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/13 02:30 AM
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I like the way you tell apart observations and (over-)generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/13 01:31 AM
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Except for the self-improvement stuff that apparently everyone likes I want to mention the following. Friendzone: I can relate to the concept. It means that a man who has (romantic or sexual) interest in a target woman offers her favours because of the misconception that this raised his chances. He does it over and over again until he ends up frustrated. Subtracting impolite terminology and nawalt first, trp's explanation of friendzone sounds plausible to me. It's the fault of the one who is fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/13 06:52 PM
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If someone said, "I really need to meet that guy" - you would not think that she was saying she was entitled to his attention or company. You are right, this would be a similar situation. Someone mixes up "wish to meet the guy" with "need for company". Given only this single sentence, I would interpret it as follows: The person who said it wanted to give their description of a desire an extra weight by putting it on the same level as a need. Perhaps the guy who was made fun of actually intended …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/13 03:37 PM
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I don't want to argue vocabulary here, my point is that I consider it polite for the other person to wait until I comment on the situtation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/13 10:21 AM
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I would want no part in the destruction of a relationship. Me neither. But I think there's a difference between on the one hand rejecting a certain type of behavior for myself and on the other hand declaring other peoples' actions amoral and thus judging them for not following my rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/13 08:36 AM
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Thanks for clarifying. So you want to discuss a guy hitting on a woman who has already said no? I think that's creepy, annoying and disrespectful, regardless what her reasons were to say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/13 08:31 AM
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Open rels are far less common. Doesn't matter. I reject nuclear family stereotyping as much as I reject other types of stereotyping, so I try to adjust my behavior as to not offend anyone, instead of simply assuming the most common. Therefore I'd wait for my hook-up to comment on their situation, and if they don't, I'd assume there's nothing to comment about. Vice versa, I'd expect my hook-up not to snoop into my relationship but wait for me to talk about it if I wish so.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/13 08:27 AM
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While I share your sense of morality in this case, you could contribute quality content to the discussion by explaining why you think it's wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/13 10:57 PM
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I wouldn't recommend enabling a cheater when they are clearly stating that they are about to cheat. Compare it with buying stolen goods. If you go to a store, asking whether the goods might be stolen is rude, but if you buy them knowing that they were stolen you're doing something wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/13 09:30 PM
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Not a native speaker... would you mind to paraphrase without sarcasm?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/13 08:58 PM
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Open relationships, my dearest friend, have you heard of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/13 08:56 PM
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Why is it that RP's say that women are incapable of traits such as honour fidelity etc etc yet find it totally acceptable to hit on married women. I don't see a contradiction here. When there is cheating, the cheater displays disloyalty, not the one they are cheating with. If someone whom you know to be married hooks up with you, you may legitimately assume that they discussed opening up their relationship with their spouse beforehand. Checking on that might even be perceived as rude because I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/13 08:48 PM
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Learn to tell apart feelings, needs and desires. Examples: "I'm feeling bad because I'm frustrated" is a feeling. "Intimacy is important to me" is a need. "I want to put my penis into her" is a desire. You are mixing up the former two, the guy who was made fun of mixed up the latter two.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/13 06:57 PM
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I've argued this a lot in bdsm contexts irl. The majority of power imbalancers or D/s-ers I met was maledom/femsub but there were some couples who lived a femdom/malesub lifestyle. One femdom couple had been married happily for 15 years. So yes, they exist, even though I can't speak in absolute numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 11:58 PM
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If I get you right you are unsure which of the two outcomes that TRP acknowledges you should choose: either you become "beta" and have yourself screwed over by her, or you become "alpha" by screwing her over. TRP gives advice from the perspective of frustrated men who suffered from the first type of a relationship. They don't know what it means to have a healthy relationship. Because they think that a relationship must be somehow abusive, they choose to be the abuser instead of being abused. Whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/13 11:34 AM
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Plot twist: So are most guys.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/13 03:51 AM
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You just mixed up women and feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/13 03:29 PM
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Plot twist: this also applies to TRP.
/r/TheRedPill04/11/13 02:07 PM
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Thanks for the link, but it doesn't help me see the supposed opposition between mra and trp. In that thread the OP is heavily downvoted and a +63 comment criticizes him. What's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/13 01:02 AM
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And again, TRP has absolutely nothing to do with the Men's right movement. Please elaborate on this. For those of us who are new to the topic this sounds contradictory because their subreddits link to one another trp links to mra and both link to avfm in their sidebars. Edit: Fixed wrong claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/13 11:02 PM
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You'd be surprised that tbp doesn't ridicule everything trp says. Recommended behavior from the perspective of /r/thebluepill is not just "do the opposite of what trp says". Many bpers share views with rpers, particularly on self-improvement. I once posted the following piece of advice in trp and received upvotes. Also a similar piece of advice was given in tbp by someone else where it was also upvoted: Find a hobby and excel in it. Most women like men who are passionate about something. (Fun fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/13 01:45 AM
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The problem is the hidden agenda. Most BP are feminist and advocate a very passive approach for men which basically amounts to speak when you are spoken to. What? You must have misunderstood something. I've never seen a feminist pick-up guide, but to my understanding, feminism is about equality. This means that regardless of your gender you can approach any person of any gender if you want. Moreover, bp, and I assume feminism as well, advocates a respectful behavior. This means that you ask befo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/13 09:51 PM
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The chief failure of the Blue Pill is its dishonesty. The Blue Pill has no honest or legitimate purpose. My impression as an observer is that many bpers just think that trp sucks. Many would even go as far as to state their opinion directly into trp's face, but they can't, because when they first did so in /r/theredpill, they were banned. I observe that people at /r/thebluepill express their dislikes openly and frankly, therefore I would like to characterize them as being particularly honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/13 02:03 PM
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for feminism "Not not for feminism" is different from "for feminism".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/13 11:56 AM
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Yes, but anyway there isn't an underlying coherent principle within the blue pill. You can't define it without using negations. The blue pill is just "not the red pill". OP's point is that blue pill philosophy doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/13 11:53 AM
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Let's stay with your example and let me illustrate how I perceive the common trp discourse. You are being helped with your problem: "Women are shorter than men." As soon as someone states "Not all women are shorter than men, my girl friend is as tall as I am and I've seen a woman even taller than me the other day" he is choked off with "Nawalt! Your argument it's invalid." You may understand that this pisses off not only tall women, but also those who know at least one tall woman, because you de…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/13 10:31 PM
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Men aren't hard wired to be monogamous at all. Most women are neither monogamous. TRP just teaches a strategy to pick those who are.
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 03:36 PM
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Do you want to imply that these are unscientific?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/13 09:37 AM
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I followed that thread. My polite questions for an explanation why laughing about that meme was so unacceptable have been deleted since, and meanwhile the mods haven't bothered to delete other posts that also clearly aimed to provoke a discussion.
/r/TheRedPill25/10/13 03:44 PM
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Wait... isn't the alpha the guy who fucks? Sheldon doesn't really know how to spin his plates, does he?
/r/TheRedPill25/10/13 02:23 PM
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How do you feel about what I said. Could you imagine that by the ongoing overgeneralisation of (undoubtedly unpleasant) single events and behavioral aspects of single individuals you are doing harm to the movement? "All men are rapists" is obviously feminism done wrong, and for a reason no one takes those who say so seriously. Would you agree that on the same basis of thought throwing nawalt and overgeneralizing anecdotal female behavior may distract listeners from what you really have to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/13 05:15 PM
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I like talking to you and I am really enjoying myself while rambling off-topic. Mods, forgive me for doing so. red pill leaning person I consider myself an observer, because I don't think I fit into rp very well. Russell Gray's "Evolutionary Psychology and the Challenge of Adaptive Explanation". I haven't read it by now, but it sounds very interesting, thank you very much! this is precisely the opposite position of feminism and effectively what they've described is the patriarchal norms that fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/13 04:52 PM
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[Deleted double post.]
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/13 04:08 AM
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First of all, thank you for your detailed answers, even though I am off-topic and my wording was unclear. I brought up feminism because rp thoughts seem to contradict or dismiss everything feminism stands for (as I understood it on the basis of those few courses and skimming through some issues of Emma, which admittedly could've been not enough), so I consider rp an anti-feminist movement. Agreed? RPers agree? It's easy to hate rp for other reasons than their anti-feminist thoughts so it's clear…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/13 04:08 AM
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It was a very religious response and it was just baffling given how into their STEM red pillers claim to be. I'm also from the STEM field. When I had the chance to take part in a few university courses covering feminist studies and queer theory, it annoyed me how cultural studies based their theoretical foundation on the assumption that biological differences only surfaced in phenotypical differences but from thereon be ignored for the following discourse. It appeared to me that writing essays b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/13 01:59 PM
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In this debate sub on a number of occasions now I have had red pillers tell me that it doesn't matter that scientific evidence contradicts them because when science and their beliefs conflict, they reject science. Sounds suspiciously religious to me. I don't know how a debate on this basis should look like. How did you react? Holy shit. Women Retain DNA from Previous lovers till death. Can infect other mans child :O At least this got heavily downvoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/13 11:24 AM
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They base it on the belief that having sex results in a woman's vagina becoming stretched, which cannot return to its normal state afterwards. Disappointing. I thought that rp valued biology. Reversibility of muscular movement is very basic biology. Also, muscles are trained by regular use. Everybody including rp should know that. I've so far seen no explanation for the "1 partner, many times vs many partners, 1 time" problem. Could a rp chime in and explain this and the aforementioned, please? …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/13 09:27 AM
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I didn't know that they think a human body can be altered by sex. Moreover I didn't know that they distinguish between effects from sex with one partner and from sex with many partners. Do you know on which basis they found their claim? To me this sounds absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/13 08:04 AM
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Exactly. The insulting behavior doesn't crystallize in "all bitches be bitches" but in "this woman stole my children (didn't sleep with me etc.), so that woman must be the same, so all women must be the same". This is the fallacy I'm talking about. It's not about whether they replace the word woman by bitch or slut. Edit: I do believe that some women are bitches and I believe that the average redpiller's observations are true and the corresponding negative feelings are valid. It's the over-gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/13 10:31 PM
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I can relate to some of rp's issues: I see how it is devastating in case of divorce to have your children taken away from you. I can understand the frustration of not getting laid and I think it's valid to build a place to vent and seek solutions. I can also relate to bp's pov: to generalise (nawalt) one's own problems by pretending to own a scientific explanation for the perceived injustice won't help as long as the proof is constructed from anecdotal evidence. Rp's tone expresses helplessness …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/13 10:09 PM
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I'm not denying it. In fact I'm not involved enough to prove or dismiss it. I simply said that the bare use of the term "slut" is not enough to verify an insulting behavior. There is a difference between "slut" (can be neutral) and "dumb slut" (for sure insulting). Accordingly, I don't see a difference in insultiveness between "riding the cock carousel" and "spinning the plates". Both describe slutty behavior and both use the image of going round and round. If you combine it with "stupid" it's o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/13 09:20 PM
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In a sexpositive environment the term "slut" is not necessarily a slur. See for example events which the participants refer to as "slut walks". RP generally encourages slutty behavior in males and females alike, so I wouldn't agree that they instantly insult women with the word "slut". But, I know that others, particularly some feminists, are feeling triggered by the word. (Honest question: Why?) RP know this for sure but nonetheless keep using the word, which is arguably insensitive towards tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/13 07:48 PM
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Protip: People can re-read what you said, so you don't have to repeat yourself. If you think that you haven't been understood properly, you could try using different words. My question is: why is it adequate from rp perspective to draw a conclusion from a small sample of personal experience (nawalt) but not adequate for bp (narpalt)? Please note that your aforementioned example was about academic papers. My question is about the generalization of personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/13 10:54 AM
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In other words, why is NAWALT okay, but NARPALT is fallacious? The fact that this remained unanswered speaks volumes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/13 05:09 PM
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So why not allow the $200,000 to not take maternity leave while or lesser earning husband stays at home? Well, that's the way it currently is, right? (Sorry I'm not as familiar with US law as you appear to be. At least that's the situation in my country.) I'm not saying it's wrong or bad as it is, but I'd nonetheless appreciate a change because it would improve the overall situation. With a glimpse on your country's situation I wouldn't even try to enforce it there soon (if I were in the positio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/13 06:27 PM
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Equality =|= liberty Tell me more.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/13 05:57 PM
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By demanding equality I demand it for men and women. Of course, maternity leave should also be split in half if the woman makes more money than the man. (And yes, also for same sex couples.) If equality is something you have to come to at the point of a gun then is it even worth having? Yes. Remember the abolishment of slavery? It needed a civil war to enforce it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/13 12:52 PM
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No, free choice isn't bad, we both agree that it is one of the highest values in a democratic society, and that was not my point. I consider equality a higher value than absolute personal freedom. The current situation leads to an overall inequality. Women are hired less into important positions because of maternity leave possibility, so they tend to get worse-paid jobs, so they tend to choose maternity leave instead of their husbands, which leads into a self-energizing circle. Maternity leave e…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/13 12:14 PM
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Do you live in a democracy? Then these laws would be issued by a government that is validated by election of a majority of the society you live in. I agree that this validation must take place.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/13 11:41 AM
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If a person's reason not to have children is the foreseeing knowledge that they do not want to care for the child anyway, it's a good choice not to have them. More people should be as thoughtful as you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/13 11:05 AM
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Talk to HR persons. You will presumably hear stuff like: "I prefer men over women for important jobs, because women will go on maternity leave anyway when I need them." By splitting maternity leave equally, you could rule out these stigmata and give more women the chance to work in more important positions. I admit that this would shift the disadvantage from the employees to the employers, but in my opinion this would be fairer than the current situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/13 10:51 AM
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It's both parents who choose to have children, not the woman alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/13 09:23 AM
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So do I and so should everybody who can do statistics 101.
/r/TheRedPill04/10/13 08:11 AM
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Technically speaking you are right, but you apparently failed to understand the purpose of this sub so you got downvoted.
/r/TheRedPill04/10/13 07:36 AM
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Yeah, gang members in prisons may be seemingly powerful losers when compared to the other failures around them, but still losers.
/r/TheRedPill01/10/13 02:26 PM
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From a biological standpoint, men are redundant, and therefore expendable. It only takes one man to sire a nation Biologically speaking, this will work for one generation, if you are lucky. The second generation will be (half-)siblings, and with a good chance from thereon produce retarded/disabled offspring. You could rephrase this more correctly by stating it takes significantly less males than females to sire a nation.
/r/TheRedPill01/10/13 06:44 AM
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Biologically speaking, sex is for procreation. Driving is not for dying.
/r/TheRedPill28/09/13 07:11 PM
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If you don't feel comfortable meeting girls in clubs or bars at night, you may try joining girlish leisure activities during daytime. These include: equestrian ball room style dancing ballet dancing yoga and fitness gardening and ikebana tupperware parties (and the similar) Not particularly girlish but still crowded with girls: running and work-outs painting class pottery class cooking class drama group photography (meet wannabe models) singing in a choir As always, fake it till you make it. Pic…
/r/askTRP28/09/13 08:22 AM
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This may be suitable for masochistic tops, but he is submissive.
/r/TheRedPill22/09/13 07:32 AM
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Here's a chart on mucus texture.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/13 07:43 PM
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Yes. Vulvas taste differently depending on the cycle. Also, the texture of the discharge changes. You can determine the day of the cycle amazingly precisely by just looking and touching.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 06:40 PM
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Just look at their ovulation. It's biologically evolved to mislead guys into not knowing when she's "ready" Nope. Just in case you ever wondered why on earth cunnilingus evolved: You can taste the difference easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 05:56 PM
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Ha, then we should demand more male midwives (midhusbands? midpersons?) and kindergarteners.
/r/TheRedPill16/09/13 05:27 PM
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I was being sarcastic, because it upsets me that "abstinence" is what you get as an honest answer when you ask a Catholic priest for birth control options.
/r/TheRedPill16/09/13 02:08 PM
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Catholics do believe in one method of birth control. The method is called not sleeping with anyone you wouldn't raise a child with.
/r/TheRedPill16/09/13 12:52 PM
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James Bond.
/r/TheRedPill15/09/13 12:21 AM
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It hasn't been proven that the fetus was from the suspect. So he caused a random woman to miscarry and should be treated accordingly.
/r/TheRedPill10/09/13 04:16 PM
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Never text a girl unless things are clear between the both of you, which in this case they aren't. Call her directly and say what you have to say.
/r/TheRedPill09/09/13 07:49 PM
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This. Is. Hilariously. Funny. You made my day.
/r/TheRedPill22/04/13 08:47 PM
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