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Your comment was literally about people’s looks, and that women “shouldn’t settle for ugly men”. That was the essence of the comment you made that I responded to, and now you’re pivoting to people’s values. I don’t think many people are disagreeing with you when you’re referring to “never settle” when it comes to your core values. I am talking about people who say this when it comes to completely superficial aspects about other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:33 PM
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I sort of disagree. People always say that we “can’t negotiate attraction”, maybe so, but it sure as hell can be influenced. There is a huge problem amongst both men and women where people’s standards become increasingly higher because of the extremely attractive people we see on social media. This can create biases in our heads that those people are the “average” since we’re seeing them far more than we do actually average people (attractive people are gonna appear a hell of a lot more). Believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 01:24 PM
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ATTRACTIVE women do not have this problem. Your problem lies in assuming all of these women are extremely attractive and not the male they’re dating’s equivalent. You’re just overrating their attractiveness. All they got to do is take a makeup wipe over their face and you’ll see what I mean. They’re probably just average, and that’s okay, just like these men probably aren’t ugly, just average.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 01:20 PM
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sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:36 PM
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Know what, I feel sort of bad for you hope you have a wonderful day god bless stay safe these streets crazy out here
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 05:26 PM
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Gotcha you’re just gonna prattle and ignore everything I say. Done with this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:34 PM
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I didn’t say men were “more important and useful”. Not sure where you got that from. I’m saying that men have societally expected duties from them, and that women do too. There should either be 0 expected duties, or both should live up to their duties. It shouldn’t be that one is expected to have duties while the other has none.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:33 PM
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You really just don’t want to acknowledge what I gave you, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:30 PM
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No, it doesn’t. Your links use the same stats that my source already proves are inaccurate given that they use a faulty definition of rape, and you also linked to an article about trafficking when we’re talking about rape as a whole, not just trafficking victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:25 PM
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Right for sure. I’m calling BS but no real way to prove that over the internet. Even if you are one of the few extreme exceptions, it is still societally expected for men to be both a provider and a protector, Given that most of society says men should be a provider and the majority don’t say the same from women (according to Pew), and given that we still have a draft and most women don’t exactly want to partake without their voting rights being taken away, I believe that’s evidence enough for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:24 PM
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That’s fine but why do you think the numbers are so different?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:21 PM
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And why do you think there’s such a huge discrepancy in the lifetime rates vs the 12 month period?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:12 PM
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No you didn’t respond to what I said. This directly says that the same amount of men were raped as women. ““For example, in 2011 the CDC reported results from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS), one of the most comprehensive surveys of sexual victimization conducted in the United States to date. The survey found that men and women had a similar prevalence of nonconsensual sex in the previous 12 months (1.270 million women and 1.267 million men).5 This remarkable fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:01 PM
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I’ve read the full study multiple times over the past year, and including today to double check. I can’t even access your post history to see your random comment. If you “didn’t want to argue” then why randomly assert something that you had no intention of proving or defending? It’s the equivalent of telling someone “you’re wrong” and refusing to elaborate. It’s pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:58 PM
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A hypothetical is not a “desperation move”. It’s an internal critique to test your own principles.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:17 PM
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Then make an actual argument instead of just asserting that “I’m wrong”.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:16 PM
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Here. I technically edited this on my last comment but you responded before I could finish. It’s got all of the relevant pieces from the study, and I even added titles for you to make it easier to see which claim I’m proving. Prevalence of rape many equal between men and women “For example, in 2011 the CDC reported results from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS), one of the most comprehensive surveys of sexual victimization conducted in the United States to date. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:15 PM
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I’m not advocating for violence, just social consequences like shame, we do the same for men (though people do tend to be violent with men).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:43 PM
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How about you stop avoiding my claim and address what I and the other person gave you 10 comments ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:39 PM
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How about you address the study that shows the opposite? I’ll relink it for you. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4062022/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:30 PM
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Women are objectively the primary victims of rape While many men are also victims of rape, these assaults are mostly committed by other men through physical coercion and brute force. Women can and do sexually assault men, but this is far less common statistically, and such cases often involve psychological coercion, manipulation, or abuse of authority rather than physical abuse These are all direct quotes from you that I just copy/pasted. So when you said “women are objectively the primary victi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:07 PM
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And should there be social consequences for these people? This behavior should be discouraged and unacceptable, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:04 PM
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Are people, in general, happier overall when they’re married than not, assuming it’s to a good partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 01:55 PM
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Entirely agree. It’s insane to me just going through dating apps and seeing so much about what people want and not what they bring. Completely selfish behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 01:49 PM
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What do you mean by “masculine”?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 01:48 PM
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Sure, I’d actually love to hear of more women that do. I actually had an interaction on here a week or two ago where a woman said that she did, and that society should call them out for this type of behavior, and I commended her and it made me happy to see. You said in your comment that we just “shouldn’t care” when women hate men. Do you wanna rephrase that to say that this type of behavior should be called out? I can accept an answer of “men shouldn’t date these women, and we should also socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 01:46 PM
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Uhh, did YOU read MY comment? You literally said “women sexually assault men far less”, and that “women are the primary victims of rape”. Why are you ignoring my comment where I directly disproved this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 01:43 PM
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It’s not the “suffering Olympics” to call out a double standard. It’s worse for society to have this behavior go unaddressed. This isn’t me looking at random red cars, you yourself are the red car because you said we should ignore it, nothing about calling it out. I mean how hard is it for you to just say that these women are being shitty and that they should have social consequences for shitty behavior? It’s really not hard for me to say that about men. This is the problem I have with many on h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 01:39 PM
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Uhuh and if someone busts into that room and your guy does absolutely nothing but scream and cry how are you gonna feel about him?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 01:33 PM
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It’s damn near 50/50 according to the statistics. I’m going to explain why since I think you’re conflating separate sources. The reason the perception that rape is something that happens far more often to women is because of definitions that obfuscate the actual numbers of rape. For instance, up until 2012, the FBI said rape was something that only occurred by a male done to a female. That was the language they used, many countries (and I believe many states) also used this definition in their a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 01:05 PM
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Because society would be better if there weren’t women that hate them? I mean do you guys ever say the same thing about men? I consistently hear here how bad misogyny is, and how men shouldn’t hate women and so on and so forth. Every time I see a guy that hates women, many here rightfully says it’s bad and that they shouldn’t hate women be shamed and face some sort of social consequence. Every time I see a woman that hates men (or just displays any bad behavior really), many here say “well idk j…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:58 PM
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If you hear a bump in the night, who should check it out? The man, or the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:54 PM
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Why are you ignoring his source where it explicitly showed that men are raped at rates similar to women, AND that it’s predominantly done by other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:36 PM
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I was gonna say that she understands exactly what you’re writing, and she’s avoiding because she doesn’t want to concede her point, but then I read her next comment where she claims that it’s mostly men that rape other men even though you literally said it like 2 comments ago that it’s woman with the source you linked. Also, I don’t even know if SA is predominantly women either. I think it’s more a reporting bias where women care more when something happens and consider them SA whereas men are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:35 PM
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Interestingly your data shows: - men place equal to higher importance on men being providers to be good partners It shows that men and women both, at equal rates, say that it's important for a man to be a provider. I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make here is. I'm assuming that's based on men being less likely than women to say that it's important for a wife to be a provider? That still doesn't change anything about my argument; only 39% of women say it's important for women to prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:28 PM
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Because women quite literally say they want men to provide while the opposite does not happen. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/20/americans-see-men-as-the-financial-providers-even-as-womens-contributions-grow/ "Roughly seven-in-ten adults (71%) say it is very important for a man to be able to support a family financially to be a good husband or partner. By comparison, 32% say it’s very important for a woman to do the same to be a good wife or partner, according to a new Pew Resea…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:14 PM
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That's not what I said. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/20/americans-see-men-as-the-financial-providers-even-as-womens-contributions-grow/ "Roughly seven-in-ten adults (71%) say it is very important for a man to be able to support a family financially to be a good husband or partner. By comparison, 32% say it’s very important for a woman to do the same to be a good wife or partner, according to a new Pew Research Center survey."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 07:23 PM
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Probably because any time we say that these women should be better and to start taking more duties and responsibilities we end up being called sexist and misogynistic? This is a cultural issue that needs a cultural solution, and it also takes our fellow women to call out shitty behavior from other women just as men should call out shitty behavior from other men. I am not sure why I see so many women here that absolutely refuse to call out their fellow peer's shitty behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:18 PM
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Out of curiosity, what makes a woman LTR material?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:15 PM
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And also women will only date men that make the same if not more money than them. They still expect us to fulfill our duties to both provide, and protect. OP is just making shit up, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:02 PM
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Okay and am I not allowed to influence people's opinions on things or believe that their views aren't good and try to change them to the ones I think are good? No one said that people can't have an opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 04:43 PM
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How is it not? Lmfao. A bunch of people thinking you’re a creep harassing someone isn’t a consequence? I mean what even is at that point?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 09:42 PM
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When people begin to assume that you were genuinely harassing her and not just saying hello, is that a consequence?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 07:01 PM
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I had a guy at my job get fired for asking a woman out, and another got reported for asking a woman to lunch (He didn't even have any intentions of a relationship!). I also have 3 sisters who have all told me how they berate men that come up to them but it's "for their safety", they and a friend have also said that they intentionally manipulate men at bars for free drinks with no intention of actually going out with them. One of them has also berated one of their good male friends because he ask…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:35 PM
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How about you answer my question instead of deflecting?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 03:06 PM
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If you have more of something compared to another, by definition, those are not equal, correct? Like if you have 6 apples vs 5, those are not equivalent, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 02:25 AM
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I'm not a red piller. Any guy who thinks blindly having sex with a bunch of random women is going to provide him fulfillment in life is a moron. It's self-destructive and results in far too many negative outcomes. I mean I'm pretty sure you and I agree on at least this, right? It is much better to be committed to your partners that you have sex with than it is to have sex with partners that you aren't committed with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 12:56 AM
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I don't think he should neglect the housework, I think she should raise her income. Now answer my question and stop avoiding it. Is it an equivalent exchange for them to both do the same amount of hours in work and the house, but the man makes more money?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 12:10 AM
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Show me what in his comment, specifically, makes him want a "walking sex doll".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 12:07 AM
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But they're not bringing in more income, lmfao. If I make 100k, and you make 40k, and you lose your job, we will be fine. If I lost my job, we'd be screwed, which makes the higher income person the provider. This really that hard for you to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 12:03 AM
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Nothing is going to be foolproof, nobody is saying otherwise. However, you have much better odds that a person is going to stay committed to you if they've already committed to you in the first place. For what it's worth, I still think waiting until marriage is best (Almost like Christians had that for a reason!), but no one realistically does that, so the next best thing is to wait until you're both in love. If you can't wait until you're both in love, then at least wait until you're both actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 11:59 PM
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Why are you distracting from the point with these strawmen? Just ask me this. In a scenario where domestic work and workhours are equal, but the man makes more money, is this an equivalent exchange, or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 11:07 PM
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What are you talking about? This is a hypothetical scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 10:03 PM
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Broken into two for reddit post limit And let’s not rewrite history: women literally couldn’t buy property, take out loans, or make big purchases without a husband’s signature. So no, “traditional marriage” wasn’t a paradise — it was legal dependency. The law was based on Christian ethics. The entire point of marriage in Christianity is to represent the union between Christ and the Church (Us as Christians). Christ frequently refers to himself as the bridegroom, and the Church as the bride. Marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 10:03 PM
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Women are statistically more likely to seek medical help than men, period. That’s not my opinion — there’s plenty of research on it. It doesn’t mean women are “unhappy” or “hate modern life.” It just means they’re more proactive about their health. Big difference. You are just making personal projections on how you feel our quality of life is. From outside in. Seeking health care regardless of what it is. Does not make us hate modern life. Well for one, I didn't even make the claim that women we…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 10:02 PM
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No, you're misunderstanding me. I'm not calling men lazy slobs, I'm calling the woman in this arrangement the lazy slobs because they, for some reason, can't get there money up while the man is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 09:08 PM
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What a strawman. Nobody said anything about not caring for your children or leaving your dirty laundry lying around. I simply do not understand why the man is expected to do an equal share of domestic work while the woman is not expected to make more money. If we truly want things to be equal, should they not both be expected to earn a similar income, and do a similar share of the domestic activities? Why are we placing a heavier burden on men to be a provider, yet an equal burden for the domest…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 06:42 PM
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Are women more unhappy or are they more likely to get help if they need it? Correlation does not equal causation. Women have always had higher levels of neuroticism. We can use basic logic here. If women are more prone to emotional instability (Because they score higher on neuroticism), it makes sense they'd have more mental health issues. There was male birth control that had some of the same side effects that female birth control had and men said No. Women should start saying "no" too, and bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 06:26 PM
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What are you talking about? I've never described men that way, you're the one saying that. Maybe I've made analogies to test someone's principles, but I never said men are lazy slobs. I think men work their ass off today for little gain. In terms of hours spent, it's about even between men and women when you take into account work and domestic work and childcare as a whole (Women do more domestic duties, but men tend to work more hours). I'm even skeptical of those studies, and I actually think …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 06:00 PM
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I am perfectly fine if women want to wait at the very least until a guy is committed to have sex so long as they apply this to every guy. No, it is not to your benefit to have casual sex with random men. Nor is it to men’s benefit to have casual sex with random women. Having random casual sex with strangers is just polygamy without the people being aware they’re partaking in it. I believe that, in part, is what is making the single motherhood rate shoot up, and it’s making our children worse and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 01:45 PM
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This is the fundamental difference between men and women’s expectations that I’m not sure you’re aware of. A man does not have the option to take the lower paying field that he’s very passionate about (like teaching, for instance), whereas the woman does. 70% of society says it’s important for a man to provide, only 30% say the same for women. This is a burden uniquely on men. We cannot choose what we’re passionate about, we cannot choose to work part time, nor stay at home and raise the childre…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 01:36 PM
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I’m not disagreeing with you, but the wife should be providing an equivalent income if she expects him to take on a similar amount of domestic work. Why is she free to choose the career that she’s passionate about, while he has to take a higher paying one to provide?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 01:31 PM
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Women were not any more oppressed than the average man was throughout history. This is a lie that feminist professors have proliferated using standpoint theory. Men and women and their own roles and duties, that is not the equivalent of oppression. 90% of the things these feminists like to bring up as “oppression” aren’t even true. Feminism was highly unpopular (I’m speaking for the US here, not necessarily other countries) amongst most men and women. It was not a grassroots movement where most …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 01:29 PM
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Naturally it isn't in every case, but in general, male dominated jobs tend to be higher in stress, more dangerous/risky, and require much more training and qualifications than female dominated jobs. Men tend to take these jobs because they pay higher, and they need higher pay because they need to support their families. Most women are in lower stress jobs like teaching, secretaries, accounting, clerical work. Not nursing, though I'll concede nursing is of course a popular option. In general, men…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:57 AM
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(Keep in mind women had always had to work. Women of color have always worked. There money just didn't belong to them. Just to their husbands) I'm well aware that women always worked, not sure where I said otherwise. It wasn't until the 70s and onward though that we saw a huge surge in numbers in comparison to what they previously were. In fact, it's often a myth of feminists themselves that assume women were not allowed to work, and that they were forced to be "domestic breeders". They could ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:49 AM
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Why? He wanted someone to be at home. Is it really too much to ask to get a thank you for a hard day's work? Hell, I'd expect the guy to thank his wife for dinner too in a traditional arrangement. The main point is to just not be obnoxious to someone though. I'd be looking at my housekeeping skills, and I'd be asking you about the suspiciously specific mention of the wet knife. I'm not married and haven't ever lived with my partners, I just wanted to give an example of something dumb someone mig…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:40 PM
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Uhuh, and did the man say anywhere that he wanted a walking sex doll as a wife? Did he state that anywhere in his comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:45 PM
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I’m going to explain this again since you didn’t read my comment. There is a conflation between SOLE BREADWINNER and PRIMARY BREADWINNER. Men are still the PRIMARY BREADWINNER in 31% of relationships, and the sole in 23%. This means men are the PRIMARY BREADWINNERS at minimum in the majority of relationships. Literally read what you’re responding to, Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:45 PM
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You literally just described them invading the Boy Scouts, lmfao. Instead of the Boy Scouts deciding to become more appealing to boys, they decided to appeal to girls instead. Lmfao. This is the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:42 PM
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What if the husband makes far more than the wife? Do you expect her to raise her income by taking on a more high stress job and working more hours? Do you expect her to acquire more skills/certifications to make those incomes equivalent?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:40 PM
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Did I ever disagree that it requires people to actually do things? I’ve already said there’s a line between being obnoxious and demanding, and being upset about someone doing literally nothing. One is justified, the other isn’t. The OP’s not saying he does absolutely nothing with the expectation that he be rewarded for it. He’s literally saying he’s working his ass of for their survival and then some. Yes, I think a little bit of gratitude is expected, and a little less demands. How would you fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:39 PM
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If she can draw the assumption that if a man doesn’t want a woman that’s rude and obnoxious to him that must mean he wants a “walking sex doll”, then I can just as easily draw the assumption that if a woman wants a man to provide, she must want a man to function as a slave for her. Both are bad logic, but I’m drawing a parallel to her example to show why it’s bad. It’s an internal critique of her position using an example that I know she wouldn’t agree with, but uses the same logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:33 PM
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Because they don’t provide nearly the same. I’ve already given the numbers in depth in another comment (for those reading, https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/ this is the source I used and do not be mislead by the title). Men are still the breadwinner in 55% of relationships, and even in “egalitarian” relationships men STILL make more money. Humor me for a second. If a man is making 100,000/year, and a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:30 PM
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Yeah that’s heavily misleading and you’re ignoring the that men can be a primary breadwinner without being the sole earner. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/ It’s about 55% of husbands that are the primary breadwinner in the household (31% primary breadwinner, 23% sole breadwinner). About 29% of relationships are “egalitarian”, but the man STILL makes more on average than women even in that category (o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:26 PM
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The majority of books published today are by female authors, the majority of readers today are women, and the most popular genre of books is romance, especially romantasy like Maas’ books. Stop trying to pretend like these are just random e-books online and not the vast majority of products pushed out today in the literature world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:20 PM
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The Boy Scouts. It’s no longer called the Boy Scouts, it’s now called the “scouts of america”. The Girl Scouts still exists, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:02 PM
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I’m not sure about the actual history, but I do think there is something to the idea of “harems”, the women just aren’t aware they’re in it, nor do they like it. The single motherhood rate (in the US at least) is extremely high, not so sure the mothers are happy about it, but it does suggest that there are men that go around pumping and dumping and then abandoning their children. This is just a hypothesis I have though, haven’t explored it enough, but I do think there’s merit to it. Obviously we…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:58 PM
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Neither men nor women supported feminism ever. It was a non grassroots movement right from the start by upper class women. Yes, this includes first wave feminists like Stanton and Anthony. They received massive inheritances, and tons of money from very wealthy business owners to do what they did. By the way, funnily enough, the majority of anti suffragist movements were comprised mostly of women. Later on, feminism grew more popular due to CIA propaganda and wealthy business owners who wanted to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:53 PM
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Yup. It’s crazy. Obligatory not all women, but I just had a conversation on this subreddit with a women who has a job that makes much less money than her man, refuses to do the majority of the childcare, is making him pay for EVERYTHING, but she bakes bread and cleans every now and then so that makes it equal to her. The entire point of the man being a provider has historically been because the woman needed to be protected during her pregnancy, and because she was vulnerable as she raised the ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:47 PM
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I can literally just reverse this on you and say that women only want men so they can have slaves that pay for their shit without complaint. No, no one wants a partner that’s going to constantly nag and pick fights and argue with them and come to them with a laundry list of demands. It’s exhausting. Men don’t want a “walking sex doll”, they want someone that’s in their corner. Someone to build a life with, and cherish, and love. That doesn’t mean women can’t talk and voice their concerns and so …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:43 PM
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I don't have to, you're already a living example.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 03:32 AM
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You're right, he doesn't provide everything, he just provides mostly everything. You should do the bulk of the childcare because you're not doing as much in other areas. He's literally funding your survival, lmao. Either step up your game and make more money and start contributing, raise the kids, or continue leeching and thank God every single day that you have a man willing to put up with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 11:35 PM
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And the bulk of that 45% is equal, lmfao. 84% of women are dating equal and up. That paints a far different picture than what you're implying.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 11:33 PM
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Do you have evidence to show that "lack of commitment" here means infidelity?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 11:31 PM
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No he did not. He specifically said equal or higher. Men date down a lot of times because they're forced to. If women only date equal or higher, then who the fuck are men going to date? That's his original comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:15 PM
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They still want men, lmfao. They just want men that make a bunch of money. It's not like all of these women going single prefer to be single, they just prefer being single than being with someone they deem beneath them (Usually based on their income or something superficial). They're still unhappy, lmao. No one's doing well in this arrangement, man or woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:13 PM
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Do you see the problem with these both being listed in separate categories (Infidelity and lack of commitment) and having differing numbers?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:11 PM
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I grew up with 3 older sisters you learn quickly what cuts lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:10 PM
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I personally like to hit at things that are more specific. My go tos are to make fun of them having a widows peak, telling them to wax their moustache, comment on arm flab, makeup looking ugly, split ends in hair, ugly dressing style, bushy eyebrows, big nose, shitty nails, etc. Guys can be a little harder since we’re used to insults (we shit talk each other all the time) so it’s difficult to find specific things without really knowing the person. If you call a woman fat she’ll probably care mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:24 PM
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So if 84% of men are AT LEAST EQUIVALENT contributors, is the statement that “women predominately date those who make the same or more income” true or false?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:17 PM
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You literally just gave a source that proves my point. The top reason cited is a lack of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:16 PM
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So the guys existence with his potential for sex and companionship is the equivalent of the women’s, and they should both either split the bill, or she should provide something equivalent in turn. I’m not sure why you’re acting as if the guy also has to pay for your date to be the equivalent of the woman just existing with a “potential for sex and companionship” as if the guy doesn’t also provide that to the woman already.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:01 PM
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Lmao so he’s providing everything for you, you’re not even going to do the bulk of the childcare because you’d rather work, don’t even live together, and you still expect him to pay for your shit? You expecting this guy to foot the bill for the majority of the rent too when you do live together?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:58 PM
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I do think it does. Now add that percentage to the percentage of male breadwinners, and what number do you get?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:56 PM
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Lmfao “giving themselves”. No, your existence is not something that you’re providing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 12:55 AM
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Yes, I’ve read that study again today and have read it multiple times over the past year. Now answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 12:54 AM
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So what all is this guy paying for? Like what’s the split in income and whatnot?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 12:50 AM
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I have 0 clue. I imagine there’s a lot of different opinions people have. I don’t have very much faith that many people’s standards are close though, because people in general are far more hedonistic and superficial, and they have far less awareness of what their values and core beliefs even are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:43 PM
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If it’s an egalitarian relationship, the women are making the SAME INCOME (meaning marginal differences in income levels) as men, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:42 PM
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Actually before I crown you, I assume you would be doing the majority of the childcare as well, right? Meaning, sacrificing time in work?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:39 PM
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An entitlement is literally just a reward absent a responsibility to acquire the reward. Stop redefining things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:59 PM
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Sooo… women are primarily in relationships with men who make the same or higher income?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:58 PM
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Well I can at least respect that if you’re actually having babies and so on and so forth. No issues with me there. If you’re being a traditional woman and actually living up to those duties (having children and doing the domestic work) then I don’t have a problem. I was wrong about you, you dropped this queen 👑
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:54 PM
2

Well I don’t really care because I got an answer anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:51 PM
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Probably 5. I need to be physically attracted to some degree. For example, I might not date a 2, but I can deal with maybe a 5+. Having similar core values and beliefs is extremely important to me though and a requirement. For example, I’d rather date a 6/10 that has similar beliefs than a 10/10 that has completely opposite values from me. Looks are great and important, but I can’t see myself being married to someone that wants to build a life diametrically opposed to mine. There’s a minimum thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:21 PM
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I need to wash my hands after typing that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:14 PM
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How long ago was it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:14 PM
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No it isn’t. The most cited reasons are things like irreconcilable differences, lack of commitment, and feeling “unfulfilled”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:13 PM
5

Hey girlie, you look sooo beautiful and your nails are GLOWING today queen! So you like know how you get your man to do his duties and pay for your meal? What else does your beautiful self give him in return that he doesn’t already do for you? 💅🫣
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:09 PM
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What are you talking about? I think men also have a duty to provide for and raise their children too, nor do I think men should be allowed to murder them. Not sure what that has to do with “public property” or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:06 PM
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Lmfao don’t avoid the question, answer it. What do you provide in the relationship that your man does not? I suspect the answer is “absolutely nothing”, and that’s why you’re afraid to answer. Everyone else here should look at her and see a living example of entitlement. She wants her man to provide for her while she gives nothing in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:56 PM
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This still shows that men are making more, including in egalitarian relationships. I’m honestly not even sure what you’re trying to prove. The vast majority of relationships in this source are still egalitarian (29%) or husband being the primary breadwinner (55%). That’s 84% of relationships being cases where the man makes the same if not higher, and it’s usually higher. You’re literally proving the exact opposite. This is also saying nothing about the women that just refuse to date men that mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:53 PM
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Maybe you wouldn’t feel this way, but how do you think many women would feel if their husbands start demanding they take a higher stress job like a software engineer, oil rigging, a trade, and so on so that she can be on a level equal to her husband in terms of her income? Fortunately, this isn’t something men tend to demand from their women. It does happen the other way around, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:42 PM
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Who’s responsible for the majority of divorce, and what is the most common reason that they cite?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:38 PM
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It’s fine to want those things from your man. What do you provide in return that your man also does not provide?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:31 PM
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What are you saying? Wanting something without giving anything in return is the definition of entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:27 PM
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That’s fine to want your man to pay. What do you bring to the table in return? What duty do you have to your man that he does not also have to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:26 PM
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I don’t support exceptions for rape victims. Now if someone proposed a law banning all abortions except in cases of rape/incest/mothers health, I’d accept it just because we’d never get a law similar in today’s culture, but it’s still preferable to have them banned in each case. My logic for banning abortion for rape victims is the same as it is for people who get abortions because they had frivolous sex. Being raped does not give you the moral ability to take a human life. Not sure why you thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:20 PM
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I can agree there’s a lot of guys that are hypocritical, I do my best to call them out on their hedonistic behavior too, I’ve done so in my personal life as well. That said, I don’t think it’s some sort of irrational insecurity or something. It’s not a bad thing to not want a partner who doesn’t see sex as a special act between two people who love each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:17 PM
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W for consistency and it is good to hear that there are people like you out there. I do not believe this is something that’s near as common in society as the other way around, but we’ll have to agree to disagree on that. We can at least agree that neither side should be entitled nor hypocritical, and that’s good enough for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:14 PM
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Edit: Before you guys read, just know that this guy blocked me and that he's a coward who can't defend his world view, lmfao. Calling oneself "pro-life" is trying to emotionally guilt people. It implies those who disagree are "pro-death." Goes both ways with pro-choice too. Abortion is a medical procedure. We do not ban amputation, even though it is grave and sad, because it is at times needed. The same is true for abortion. You may not like it, but the state has no right to make this private ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:39 PM
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And the only other “measure” you gave was violence, which isn’t even an emotion, and is typically associated with anger which falls under neuroticism in which women tend to display higher levels of overall. We all know and can see that you’re just willfully avoiding and dodging the argument. It is not a great sin to say women tend to be more emotional than men, just as men tend to be more violent than women. I am not sure why you’re so comfortable accepting the latter but cannot accept the forme…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:38 PM
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That’s not what I asked. Answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:41 PM
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Lmfao what a cop out answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:40 PM
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And we’re also in agreement that anger is a subcomponent of neuroticism, which displays a variety of other emotions, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:28 PM
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Why would women have the expectation that men pay for the first date? Where does that expectation come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:28 PM
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I literally just said in my comment that “anger is associated with violence”, it’s literally right there in the comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:13 PM
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I wouldn’t, but I’m getting to the crux of the argument. We can debate exceptions too if you want, but that is not the vast majority of abortions that are performed. It is not okay to take innocent human life except in cases where you yourself may die or are at severe risk, that is my stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:42 PM
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Right, and if you’re on a first date, what is the person typically looking for, and why might the expectation that men should pay on the first date exist in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:38 PM
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So all that laughing you were doing a single reply ago was just projection and you were the one who had no clue what it is or what it means? And no, violence is not an emotion. Emotions can bring about violence, but violence itself is not an emotion. The emotion it would be associated with is typically anger, which by most definitions I’ve seen, is already encompassed by neuroticism, and is included in the studies that measure neuroticism levels between genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:35 PM
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No you didn’t. Again, what is a provider providing, and to whom are they providing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:29 PM
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So let’s go back to the original post. And thus men should strive to change it. They should endure the ridicule or not getting laid or whatever other reaction to not fitting expectations. Just like women had some men who supported them, men also have some women who support them. Given that society is made up of men and women, and we agreed on the solution of how society should behave, doesn’t the responsibility also fall on women to do the same to women that advocate a similar circumstance to wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:28 PM
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Answer the question I asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:17 PM
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I know what neuroticism means, I’m asking to see if you know what it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:17 PM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/20/americans-see-men-as-the-financial-providers-even-as-womens-contributions-grow/ There’s the numbers for you. If someone wants somebody to pay for their food, what does that imply about the dynamic in the relationship? What is a provider providing, and to whom are they providing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:04 PM
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What is neuroticism?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:02 PM
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Okay, I’ll grant you exceptions in the cases of rape and incest as well. Do you want to ban abortion now, or are you just trying to emotionally guilt people into supporting your position by using rape victims (of which are about 1-2% of abortions)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:50 PM
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Go read the original context of the post with the first person. I chose you to respond with because you’re not smart enough to be as arrogant as you are. Being a provider means you can support a family financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:25 PM
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Stop avoiding my question. Neuroticism measures multiple emotions, including anger. Lower neuroticism = more emotional stability. Higher neuroticism = less emotional stability by definition. I’m going to ask you again. Do women have higher levels of neuroticism than men, or lower?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:20 PM
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That statement does not makes sense. One is an overall metric of emotions INCLUDING ANGER. Anger is simply a subcategory of neuroticism in this context. It is a component of neuroticism. For example, if men have a score (assume higher scores = higher level of emotion) of 5 in anger, but 1 in fear, shame, and anxiety, they have a total score of 8. If women have a score of 2 in anger, but a score of 3 in the other 3 categories, they have a total score of 11. People with lower levels of neuroticism…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:07 PM
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The original context of the argument was about the genders as a whole, not just feminists. Do women on average demand that their men be providers or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:01 PM
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Does a small portion of men displaying more violence mean that men are overall more emotional?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 04:55 PM
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I can butt in whenever I want, this is a public platform. Private chat the guy if you didn’t want someone else talking to you. I’ve already told you 70% of people (both men and women) say it’s important for a man to provide, I don’t see many feminists shouting from the rooftops to change that. They’re fine with eliminating their societal expectations, but not men’s. They’re interested in procuring power for themselves, not equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 04:50 PM
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No one said it’s bad to be with a partner who likes sex, I’m saying it’s bad to be someone who has a lot of sex with a bunch of different people. Have sex with your husband/boyfriend all you want. Yes, guys do want to feel a little bit special with the person they’re having sex with. So do women. That’s part of the whole point, you’re both exclusive with one another. It feels like shit when you’re not. Sex is a very special act that should, at the very least, be between two people committed to o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 04:48 PM
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I don’t care what he or a feminist subreddit says, I care how people actually operate. It’s easy to pay lip service when you know other people are reading what you’re saying, and the implications of saying that the man should pay to your worldview. They don’t operate on that principle in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 04:32 PM
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What other metrics would you use?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 04:26 PM
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I would define discourage as shaming the behavior. That said, I can grant you that a message that we as society should encourage that type of man to do better if we don’t want to shame people (though negative reinforcement is highly effective in discouraging behaviors, it can have its side effects) has its merits that I’d be willing to entertain. So as a society, we should encourage that man to not engage in that type of behavior, educate him on how he’s affecting his wife and those around him, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 03:56 PM
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Women can get a D&C in every state. The only reason people perpetuate this myth is because doctors guilty of medical malpractice try to make that claim, and people assume their claim (which is just them trying to slither out of a lawsuit) is true. Women are NOT overrepresented in poverty, lmfao. Men make up around 70-80% of the homeless population. The fact that you didn’t even know that speaks volumes. And we live in a society where our officials are elected by people that vote. Women are able …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:21 PM
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To hone in on point 3, is it better if society discourages men displaying this type of entitled and selfish behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:16 PM
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It does matter, and it isn’t insecurity. Promiscuity is not virtuous behavior, and I think it’s fair for men to want a virtuous women (so long as those men are also virtuous of course). I certainly don’t want a woman that acts solely on impulse and blind hedonism with little regard to anything else. That to me tells someone that they are controlled by their feelings and whims and simply do what feels good, instead of having mastery over their feelings and being able to control them instead. It d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:12 PM
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Your evidence was a feminist subreddit where they knew the implications of answering in a way that made them look hypocritical. About 70% of society say it’s important for a man to provide, about 30% say it’s important for a woman to provide. I cannot remember the source and I’m on mobile, but I can find it if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:04 PM
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It refutes what you said because women still display higher levels of neuroticism. Anger and frustration are included under neuroticism. If women display higher levels of neuroticism, that means they’re more emotional overall even if men display anger more than women, because women still display higher levels of emotions overall even if it’s not necessarily anger. I’m also not even sure it’s true that women display anger less, and that we just notice it in men more since we see angry men as dang…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:02 PM
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What? The justice system does not require that we feed random people. I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:56 PM
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I am curious what you’re providing to the man given that you’re hypergamous as you acknowledged. I am actually not even trying to be insulting or insinuate anything, I always ask this to many blue pillers and it’s hard for me to get any answer other than “I’m funny and know how to dance lol” or “well they don’t have to date me”. I’m curious from a woman who describes herself as a red piller since I don’t see many. What duty do you see yourself as having to your man?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:53 PM
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What? Can you not see the analogy I’m drawing here or something? Adopted child’s = unborn child, shooter = person getting abortion, me = me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:46 PM
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Well first and foremost I do, but I think that’s better handled at a local level and by the community than by the federal government. I think most people’s families, friends, and churches would do a far better job than the government ever could, which can end up with people gaming the system. Either way though, no, it is not hypocritical even if I supported no support systems. If I saw someone aiming a gun at an adopted child’s head, and I told them not to shoot them, am I all of a sudden hypocr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:42 PM
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Let’s say the man is not living up to his duties as a man, and isn’t being a breadwinner, and he’s just demanding his wife do the work of a traditional woman. Let’s take it a step further, and say that he demands that she also get a part time job, while also being the primary homemaker, doing chores, and having babies and caring for them. What would you say to him, and/or think of him? How do you think society should respond to that type of person?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:36 PM
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Yes I’m in agreement with you. I’m saying that should be the only exception in an ideal world, but we don’t live in one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:32 PM
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That’s kind of my point though. Society “breaking out of that belief” means that this double standard needs to be called out. Obviously in my personal life, I’d just refuse to be with a person like that, but it needs to be something the majority of people shun if we want to actually get rid of the double standard, it has to be called out instead of saying “well if you don’t like it just don’t do it lol”. Now in my mind, I’m traditional. I’m actually okay with each party having its own separate r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:32 PM
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Was this the Pew Research poll that you got the 63% from? My understanding was that that was an outlier, and other polls from a similar time showed much more even rates with women slightly more likely to be in a relationship, and that was mostly related to women dating men 1-5 years older. I do agree with the overall sentiment though, people need to get married and have children to have a successful society, and women are the ones opting out of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:18 PM
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How do you feel about men that want a housewife? Men that want to be the leader, have the final say, have his wife do the chores and homemaking and raising children, don’t want her to nag them, and so on? What do you think of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:13 PM
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I’m very much against abortion in all cases except where the mother may die. I’m also practical. There would be no way in hell we ever get a chance to ban it nationwide, and pushing it would more than likely have the opposite effect. It at least gives us a fighting chance to have it statewide for the moment. The actual change will come when the culture changes to start valuing human life and purpose, responsibility, and duty instead of blind hedonism. That will take a long while, so we do what w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:10 PM
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sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 10:29 PM
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Out of curiosity, what are your standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:47 AM
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Because men get sentenced higher for the same crime, have biased grading that grades them lower than their female counterparts for similar work, literally cannot be legally raped in many states due to definitions that feminists like Mary Koss have written and influenced policy/statistics with, women making up 60% of college degree holders and yet still receiving 92% of sex specific scholarships, I have an entire copypasta with all of the sources and more if you really care. Feminism has been ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:47 AM
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Well you guys are lining up to fuck "above average men" but you guys sure as hell spend a ton of time crying that he doesn't want to commit to you all. Stop pretending like you're better than the rest of us when you have to put a bunch of filters on your reddit PFP to look half decent. Time for you to smell the roses and acknowledge reality sweetheart, you're just as average as the rest of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:42 AM
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all those guys except Aziz did something and got consequences. And Aziz came out right away and told the truth and Is still around. Uhh, what? I don't know about the other guys, but Araiza literally did nothing wrong either you liar. The charges were dropped, and he wasn't even at the party when the girl said the rape happened. Her friends even confirmed she was "bragging about sex she'd just had" because she had a train ran on her from a separate group of guys. Stop lying, or learn the facts of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:35 AM
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It's "As much OR MORE". This also bears out statistically. I don't feel like grabbing the link but I could find it if you wish (It's pew research). 55% of relationships have the man as the primary breadwinner, 15% have women as the primary breadwinner, and the rest are "egalitarian", but the man STILL makes more money in those "egalitarian" relationships. Those egalitarian relationships also do not speak to whether or not one will make more money in the future, so I'd have to guess men end up ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:33 AM
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To add to what you're saying about the statistics (I believe it was Pew Research), about 55% of relationships have the man as a primary breadwinner as well. 15% female breadwinner as you said, and the rest of technically egalitarian, but the man STILL makes more money in those relationships too. I also expect there's an age factor there in egalitarian incomes where women just haven't had children yet since they're too young, so the income is closer to mens, but men would shift towards the primar…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:31 AM
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Kind of obnoxious that every time somebody here calls out an unreasonable standard that women have, the answer is "well just deal with it and find someone else lol", but whenever a guy has an unreasonable standard, all of society is okay with calling them out. Go talk to your average Wal Mart american and ask them two questions, and see how they respond. The first to ask is whether or not the man should pay on the first date. The majority will say yes, and that it's his duty as a man to do so. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:29 AM
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