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| 1 | What recent TV show (on Netflix or whatever) encapsulates some interesting PPD-relevant points/themes/ideas? (Please go into detail!)What is controversial about party-girls being...well...party-girls? Nothing, except they hide the truth about their past behavior when they get older and want to settle down with a man who is husband material. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 01:26 PM |
| 1 | What recent TV show (on Netflix or whatever) encapsulates some interesting PPD-relevant points/themes/ideas? (Please go into detail!)In which way? That's interesting. That they chase after players/assholes/alcoholics/druggies when they are young. Look at what he posts on Insta (he comes across as a huge jerk) and yet he still has beautiful young women begging for his attention. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 01:24 PM |
| 1 | What recent TV show (on Netflix or whatever) encapsulates some interesting PPD-relevant points/themes/ideas? (Please go into detail!)The American Meme. It follows the lives of social media influencers, and one of them is Kirill from Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/slutwhisperer Basically, he is a man in his 30's who lives a life where he gets paid to travel and party in clubs. His shtick is that he does over the top things like dousing women champagne, dresses in ridiculous costumes, and is politically incorrect. His success validates some of the stereotypes about party girls that are discussed on PPD. It was interesting… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 03:55 AM |
| 5 | Incels/MGTOW entering pop cultureWithin the next five to ten years, there'll be a TV show, movie, or play (maybe it'll manifest itself as all three) that features incels as the main characters. The movie will be honest in their depiction (they'll be disgusting, angry slobs) but it'll be intelligent and sympathetic to them as well, showing their human sides and explaining a bit as to why they've ended up this way. I actually agree with this. I think it will be similar to "13 Reasons Why", where there is was a supporting characte… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/18 02:56 AM |
| 1 | What would happen if men acted collectively?Well, like doesn't this already happen like with guy/bro codes and rules and maning up and acting like a man and taking it like a man etc? Yes, but I was asking what would happen if you could hypothetically get all the men in an entire country to agree to the same bro code. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/18 02:05 PM |
| 1 | What would be required to reconcile RP and the establishment? Could it happen?MGTOW involves not working? I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim that It involves not working to your potential. Like why climb the corporate ladder and make money when you can have a lower stress lower paying job. If you don't need the extra money, and the prestige won't help attract women there isn't an incentive to put nearly as much effort into your job. The only reason a MGTOW needs to pursue a harder job is because he personally feels like it, but many choose a lower stress route once… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/18 11:45 PM |
| 1 | What would be required to reconcile RP and the establishment? Could it happen?Why in the world would US culture/the US government care about individual men getting laid? Because those men can cause socioeconomic instability if the group is large enough. Like if they all go MGTOW and stop working hard that would probably create societal problems (shrinking population, lower tax collections) that the government would want to fix. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/18 03:54 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Online depictions of women and how women treat men online (especially in the manosphere) is not an accurate representation of how women feel or treat men in day to day life. These misconceptions are propagated by men whose main interaction with women is online.I mean what is it that’s being done rude? To give an example they might get a polite rejection if they ask a women out, but then that women turns around and tells her friends something like, "can you believe that loser thought I would go on a date with him". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/18 03:38 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Online depictions of women and how women treat men online (especially in the manosphere) is not an accurate representation of how women feel or treat men in day to day life. These misconceptions are propagated by men whose main interaction with women is online.How specifically do women "treat incels like garbage"? By what behavior other than ignoring them? By calling them losers behind their backs. For instance if they get asked out by one of them they will politely decline to their face but then they will tell their friends can you believe this guy really thought he was worthy of dating me. Basically, they treat them like second class citizens even though they use polite language to do so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/18 03:31 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Online depictions of women and how women treat men online (especially in the manosphere) is not an accurate representation of how women feel or treat men in day to day life. These misconceptions are propagated by men whose main interaction with women is online.It wasn't. You asked how women should treat men, so the response you quoted was referring to society, not to your OP. You are correctly representing reality in your OP claim 1. Society does things like fat acceptance and telling low value men to be themselves. That is what I was referring to by society should be more realistic about messaging. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/18 03:02 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Online depictions of women and how women treat men online (especially in the manosphere) is not an accurate representation of how women feel or treat men in day to day life. These misconceptions are propagated by men whose main interaction with women is online.In your opinion, how should women treat men they are not attracted to? How should men treat women they are not attracted to? I was making the point that society should talk about how we treat each other in a more realistic way. If you're a low value man most women will ignore you and treat you like you have no value. Men do the same thing to physically unattractive women. We shouldn't use language that pretends otherwise. In an ideal world people would look beyond SMV and treat people with more … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/18 02:35 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Online depictions of women and how women treat men online (especially in the manosphere) is not an accurate representation of how women feel or treat men in day to day life. These misconceptions are propagated by men whose main interaction with women is online.Wait your job analogy doesn’t make sense. Hiring an employee is putting a significant investment in them. What are you expecting women to do that is comparable, for incels? I'm not suggesting they do anything. I was pointing out how the OP statement "Unattractive men don’t get hate" is smuggling in an assumption that women are therefore treating these men in a "good way". The same way saying someone doesn't use racial slurs is smuggling in an assumption that they aren't racist. However, when you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/18 02:09 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Online depictions of women and how women treat men online (especially in the manosphere) is not an accurate representation of how women feel or treat men in day to day life. These misconceptions are propagated by men whose main interaction with women is online.Not wanting to date someone isn’t treating them like garbage. They treat them like they are not useful, like their life doesn't matter, they ignore them. That is what you do with garbage. I probably should not have use that word because the idiom also has a slightly different meaning, but I stand behind the general point as I clarified it to mean in this post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/18 02:04 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Online depictions of women and how women treat men online (especially in the manosphere) is not an accurate representation of how women feel or treat men in day to day life. These misconceptions are propagated by men whose main interaction with women is online.Claim #1: look at how women react to incels! This is how women treat unattractive men! Correction: Women are reacting to men who either promote (or associate with people that promote) some pretty hateful things. Unattractive men don’t get hate, they get ignored. Most unattractive men aren’t yelling about farms of women for their use for women to react to. This is not how women and unattractive men interact. Women treat incels like garbage. I agree with your semantics that they aren't outright me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/18 01:25 AM |
| – | Men - What's One Important Thing You Wished Women Knew About Male Gender and Sex Issues?I wish women knew more about the challenges men face if they have poor social skills. If you have poor social skills it creates a loop that is hard to escape - you need to practice social skills to get better, but most women (and many men) don't want to hang out with or help these men. Like everyone just assumes they will figure it out on their own, or someone else will help them. A severe lack of social skills effectively locks many men out of the SMP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/18 03:59 AM |
| 1 | Q4A: What does PPD think of the "#thotaudit"?Hahahahahahahaha. I'm sorry, are we supposed to feel bad for people getting audited to make sure they are paying their taxes? Because I don't. Saying you thought you didn't have to pay taxes on it doesn't make you sound innocent, it just makes you sound dumb. Ignorance of the law does not prevent you from being punished by the law. If you drive 100 mph and get pulled over saying, "I had no idea the speed limit was 55 mph" is not going to get you out of punishment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 01:17 AM |
| 8 | Q4A: What does PPD think of the "#thotaudit"?However if you tax something you are making a pretty big case for legalising it That is not correct, the tax law is such that most income you make (even illegally) is taxable. For instance, Al Capone was arrested on tax evasion. If you make money selling illegal drugs you are also committing tax evasion if you don't report that income. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 12:40 AM |
| 1 | Q4A: What does PPD think of the "#thotaudit"?Actually I was about to remove OPs because it seemed a bit lower quality than yours. But if your willing to remove yours and maybe repost it tomorrow or the next day I would appreciate it. I deleted mine. I won't repost it, I copied the points I wanted to make into my response to this OP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 12:35 AM |
| 1 | Q4A: What does PPD think of the "#thotaudit"?Lol, we both posted the same thing minutes apart. Should I delete my post? My thoughts were: It is unlikely these men could know if someone is reporting their income appropriately or not. The men are correct in principle that money received from sex work should be taxed and that there is nothing wrong with reporting tax evaders to the IRS (if you have actual proof of tax evasion). If women report their income correctly they have nothing to fear, the article makes it seem like the accused can get… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 12:27 AM |
| 1 | Why Are Young People Having So Little Sex? - The AtlanticAnd so women's reaction is to shun the betas and have more casual relationships. To clarify my OP point (the internet is causing women to be more cynical about dating/relationships) was explaining the cause of an observation made in the article, "quite a few people told me that they were taking a break from sex and dating". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/18 11:31 PM |
| 1 | Why Are Young People Having So Little Sex? - The AtlanticWhen was it ever not a common complaint? It was less of a complaint when women made men wait longer (several dates, weeks, etc.) for sex. This is because the longer dating process somewhat filters out fuckbois. That said I agree with your point that it was always an issue to some degree, the point I was making is that anecdotally it seems to be even more common today. When women adopt a strategy of "sleep with high SMV men on the first date and hope for the best", the obvious outcome is the fuck… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/18 11:25 PM |
| 1 | Why Are Young People Having So Little Sex? - The AtlanticIs that really more prevalent? Yes, they are called fuckbois now. It seems to be a very common complaint among women these days, there are all kinds of memes and anecdotes about the dangers of fuckbois. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/18 01:09 PM |
| 1 | Why Are Young People Having So Little Sex? - The AtlanticMy theories on why sex is declining: The availability of high quality distractions such as porn and video games The internet is debunking true love mysticism. Not just TRP but all kinds of anecdotes about relationships gone awry (frivorces, the Aziz story, etc.). It also causes women to be more cynical because the "he will say anything to get in your pants" message is a lot more prevalent. Women are increasing their standards of who they hook up with due to technology giving them access to a lar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/18 03:13 AM |
| 1 | Is there no way to tell blue pill men they're not being masculine that is PC?Speak in examples of masculine famous people. Say masculine celebrity X seems to be doing pretty well, why do you think that is? Help them connect the dots that the masculinity helped with his success. This way you won't induce an ego reaction where they filter out what you are saying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/18 04:15 AM |
| 2 | We should listen to opposite sex about what is attractive and not projections from our own genders.We should listen to what works in real life, Not what anyone says. who cares what anyone says when there actions contradict there words. Yep, people say some things solely as a means to avoid conflict, people please, increase their reputation, etc. The words don't reflect reality. Look at this way: corporations throw around all kinds of positive sounding jargon but at the end of the day they are usually just acting in their own profit-maximizing self interest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/18 01:27 AM |
| 1 | Does social media tarnish the getting-to-know-you process?now it's all about private groups and hidden event pages and group messages that are only visible to people who are invited to be part of them. so people who are out of the loop socially don't see any of that hidden private activity and Facebook and other social media seems dead to them. but in reality, it's just as active and popular as ever. Totally agree, but I have a follow-up question for you. What do you think about a deliberate strategy of just making everything public? Like I'm posting w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/18 01:19 AM |
| 1 | Off Topic Thread: Fun and Games with Banned Words (13 October 2018)Ban the word " This^ " IMO that is a violation of the "No Circlejerking" rule. Like it is cool to agree with a post but if you're going to respond with some variant of "I agree" at least tell us why you agree, or add more detail/insight to the discussion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/18 01:12 AM |
| 1 | How has PPD changed your views?Right, but you mentioned anger and misogyny. Misogyny is the hatred of women. Did you hate women? I wouldn't say that I ever hated women. It was more like I felt that their behavior was wrong (choosing jerks over NiceGuys) and I wanted them to be punished for it so they would learn their lesson and behave better in the future. Like how if a thief stole something I would want him to be punished by the law but I wouldn't hate him, I would just want him to learn a lesson and not do it again. In the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/18 12:29 PM |
| 1 | How has PPD changed your views?We do not have a doctor shortage. I'm not an expert on the subject but I've read that an aging population, increased lifespans, and Dr. retirements are contributing to a Dr. shortage. As you mention this is more of a problem in non-urban settings but it can impact certain specialists in urban settings too. There is also another argument to made about the Dr. shortage. If everyone got medical care at the same rate as people with good insurance then the Dr. shortage would be much larger. Some peop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/18 03:09 AM |
| 1 | How has PPD changed your views?Did you really hate women at the time of your red pill lite post? No, I changed that view as a lurker before I started making OPs. I don't remember the exact timeframe but I would say the angry at women phase lasted at least 6 months. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/18 02:33 AM |
| – | What is the best way to create an Instagram profile from scratch?Thanks for the reply! I've been in situations where I've met women and trading Insta would have been the lowest friction way to keep in touch. Like they have all this attention on Insta, I'm not going to try to get a phone number and try to out value the Insta guys with text message. Like there are some women where it is slightly weird if you're not on Insta but all her friends are. I don't care about fake followers but I just want to have a profile that makes me seem like I have an average soci… | /r/seduction | 07/10/18 10:04 PM |
| 1 | What is the best way to create an Instagram profile from scratch?Thanks for all the tips, this is great information! | /r/seduction | 07/10/18 09:57 PM |
| – | What is the best way to create an Instagram profile from scratch?Thanks! I know your advice sounds super obvious but I hadn't really considered doing that. I have way to much of a FB mentality: Never add randos, like if you haven't met them in person it would just be weird to try to friend them. By having interesting content on Insta I guess it would make sense that people would just want to follow you based on the merits of the content alone. | /r/seduction | 07/10/18 08:04 PM |
| – | What is the best way to create an Instagram profile from scratch?Thanks for your input! I actually think I would enjoy Insta, I enjoy creating interesting content as a way to exercise my mind. I'm mostly being self-conscious and worrying that even though I'll have decent content I'll have a hard time gaining more than a handful of followers. | /r/seduction | 07/10/18 08:01 PM |
| 1 | What is the best way to create an Instagram profile from scratch?Thanks for the advice, that gives a good direction to go! Yes, I have some fitness type hobbies and I'm also pretty good at writing motivating/witty things about self-improvement. | /r/seduction | 07/10/18 07:55 PM |
| 1 | The rape accusation conundrum and a theoretical solutionYou can't obtain objective proof based off of a party's character or past behavior. Dude, listen, the court of law isn't about vengeance for the person who was hurt, it's about determining if a person did something and if they should be punished. In criminal court, prosecution is required to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Beyond. Reasonable. Doubt. Do you know what that means? It is absolutely NOT reasonable to assume that a man committed rape because he said he had a "couple drinks" when he i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/18 11:15 PM |
| 1 | The rape accusation conundrum and a theoretical solutionWhy is it okay for you to risk causing damage to innocent men, but not okay with you to refuse vengeance for a woman who is unable to produce objective evidence against the person she accuses to have already hurt her? That is not my position at all. I'm saying we should do everything in our power to get to the objective truth. When no proof exists we should factor in both party's character and past behavior. It works both ways. If a women is caught lying about multiple small details and has a pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/18 09:30 PM |
| 1 | The rape accusation conundrum and a theoretical solutionIn what other crime does it boil down to "past behaviors"? In criminal court, a lawyer has to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt under the presumption of innocence. Why do you think that this should be any different? How would you feel if the cops arrested you for robbing a bank that you didn't rob, then the jury gave you the full punishment because there was evidence that you stole a piece of gum from a grocery store when you were 14? I'm saying that is the unfortunate reality of how the system w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/18 07:46 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Hookers make much sense for guys who stumble into redpill/seduction/self-improvement/manosphereIn what universe is approaching tonnes of women fun? Especially if you don't like them and only want them for sex. Sure if you like them in other ways too then yes it's not bad at all. Unless the woman you're talking to you actually like talking to why not just skip that shit? I see advice sometimes on redpill where they say you should talk to everyone and have tonnes of small-talk with every woman or man around . Two things wrong with that. If you deep down don't like either the small talk or t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/18 02:10 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Hookers make much sense for guys who stumble into redpill/seduction/self-improvement/manosphereIf you have to put all this hard work in to just achieve the sex life the average guy gets anyway by default. Why not just bang hookers? Because you derive self-satisfaction from successfully completing something that is hard. Look at people that assemble model cars, like they could just buy the completed model instead of assembling it themselves. They don't do that because they enjoy the process of actually doing the work. If you learn to enjoy the process instead of the end result it no longer… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/18 01:25 AM |
| 1 | The rape accusation conundrum and a theoretical solutionthe accusation of rape is so powerful that it has incentivized people to use it falsely for personal gain. Normal people don't have this incentive though. You're wasting your time (which you could use to make actual personal gains) doing something which you won't receive any money for. I get that occasionally someone has some weird justification for wanting to hurt someone else but it just seems so far outside the realm of normal behavior that I don't think very many people would think to do it.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/18 01:13 AM |
| 1 | The rape accusation conundrum and a theoretical solutionyour proposed solution would just make the problem worse. here is how it would work in real life: Yes, those are the problems I was alluding to when I said that it wasn't a practical solution. The point was it is theoretically possible for a system to exist that resulted in a more accurate evaluation of rape accusations (although it requires changing culturally acceptable behavior). Look at online dating at one point that was socially unacceptable among normal people but it no longer is. It is p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/18 01:06 AM |
| 0 | Could it Ever Become Prudent for Female Amoral Dating Strategy to Account for Male DisenfranchisementAny man a woman had to help create is a loser by definition. Not necessarily, the man could have gone from average SMV to high SMV all on his own, but she just helped him get there faster. Basically, the strategy is to look for the Bill Gates of the world and lock them down when they are young and at a low SMV. They are going to become a great marriage partner in the future so you might as well speed up the process by helping them become a more attractive partner to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/18 07:49 PM |
| 1 | Could it Ever Become Prudent for Female Amoral Dating Strategy to Account for Male Disenfranchisementwhat's the most prudent way for female mating strategy (romantic/sexual) to accommodate for male disenfranchisement if at all. If a women wants to get married to a decent guy and have the highest odds of avoiding players but still end up with a sold guy here is the strategy: Instead of dating players date men who are somewhat shy/nerdy today (like meet guys IRL in places where these men congregate) but have great potential to become really successful in the future. Then help this man reach his p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/18 07:37 PM |
| 1 | The rape accusation conundrum and a theoretical solutionI’m not even sure everyone agrees rapists should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I guess a better way to phrase is it: Rapists should face some form of punishment for their crime. People can disagree on what exactly the punishment is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/18 07:22 PM |
| 1 | The rape accusation conundrum and a theoretical solutionI contest your assertion that most rape claims are true. I mean I guess that's a fair point since we'll never have data that is 100% accurate. However, when you logically think about the effort required to make a false claim vs the payoff it just doesn't seem like something most people would do. I can see why people do it in certain cases (as I outlined in OP) but I just don't think that a majority of people are like that. If you leave your car unlocked someone might break into it but the majori… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/18 07:17 PM |
| 1 | The rape accusation conundrum and a theoretical solutionThat creates an environment where cops can't go to victims to help them solve crimes. Which is, you know, how cops usually solve crimes. Joe being interviewed and investigated will be a pain in the ass and embarrassing, but unless the cops fuck up, he won't suffer any consequences beyond losing a some hours to aiding an investigation. If anyone is responsible for false convictions, it's the law. I lost 2 days off work and was majorly inconvenienced because I happened to be an eyewitness to a cri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/18 05:03 PM |
| 1 | The rape accusation conundrum and a theoretical solutionthe amount of false accusatiosn is miniscule The impact a false accusation on an individual person is huge. There are obscure diseases that impact less than 1 in 1 million people but society still tries to solve them. You can't just accept false accusations as part of the system no matter how miniscule. If the system shrugs off false accusations then there is a moral hazard for someone dishonest to take advantage of the system. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/18 04:42 PM |
| 1 | The rape accusation conundrum and a theoretical solutionIf someone insists they were attacked by Joe, but it turns out they were actually attacked by Jim, punishing the victim for being wrong is not appropriate. But in that case Joe is out time and money through no fault of his own. I think it is fair that the victim should compensate Joe for putting him through that. Technically, not a "punishment" but more of a compensation to restore him to his original position. Like a car accident - you didn't intend to rear end someone, but you still have to pa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/18 04:35 PM |
| 1 | The rape accusation conundrum and a theoretical solutionimpossible, this is a waste of time. all human systems are fallible Sure, all human systems all fallible. That doesn't mean you can't come up with a less bad way of doing something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/18 04:29 PM |
| 1 | The rape accusation conundrum and a theoretical solutionyou seem like youre just reinventing the wheel here. knowingly filing false charges is criminal in almost every state. filing charges and LOSING the case, failing to convict or having the charges go no where doesnt mean "false" charges what exactly else do you want? a perfect system? I want a system where 100% of rapists face punishment and a system where a non-rapist never faces punishment for a false accusation. So yes, I want a perfect system. The point of this post is to discuss how you can … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/18 04:21 PM |
| 1 | The rape accusation conundrum and a theoretical solutionI would suspect this has to do with the cultural attitude towards sexual assault, and how both the victims and the perpetrators are perceived. Yes, I think it ultimately comes down to cultural attitude. So to kind of restate the question in those terms: What can a society do to encourage a cultural attitude of rape accusations are a very serious and important issue but they need to be critically examined before punishing someone for something they may not have actually done? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/18 04:15 PM |
| 1 | The rape accusation conundrum and a theoretical solutionWhen you say "false rape accusation", do you mean a woman knowingly going to the police and filing a factually false complaint to have criminal rape charges investigated, or some woman posting "omg Johnny totes raped me last night!" On social media, like they apparently do? Ultimately, I was talking more about cases that are reported to the police. But in the case of social media posts I think the default response should start with: "That is horrible please report it to the police so we can get … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/18 04:02 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: Biohacking (with supplements and drugs) and the SMPI'm not sure what you're getting at now. You just said that desperate guys with nothing to lose would use this stuff, and then gave a list of reasons why they wouldn't. There is a very small percentage of men who reach a point where they truly believe they have no hope. At the point they become willing to try anything because they are so frustrated. Like they might even try hard drugs just because life sucks that much and they are very depressed. The majority of low SMV men don't fall into that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/18 01:13 AM |
| 2 | Discussion: Biohacking (with supplements and drugs) and the SMPNootropics seem like snake oil to me. The level of evidence we have for most of this stuff just isn't there, and my imprerssion is (like vitamins before it) the experimentation going on will be useless or harmful. Yeah there is a lot of unverified data out there and bad actors (like those creating a magic pill that is a mix of multiple nootropics - that approach doesn't work because people have unique needs). That being said caffeine is a nootropic and most people agree that it works. So there s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/18 01:08 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: Biohacking (with supplements and drugs) and the SMPTest and steroids are readily available and cheap if you're willing to DIY it. Why aren't these desperate guys doing that? They don't think the benefits outweigh the effort and potential side effects. It is a hassle and there is no guarantee that they would personally see rewards. A lot of it is just anecdotal so they would have to research the benefits and also believe the anecdotes. They also need a reason to connect SMV to testosterone levels, like if you have a low SMV the first thought you … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/18 12:57 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: Biohacking (with supplements and drugs) and the SMPI looked into this issue and believe taking nootropics is a very effective way to gain an edge in the SMP(among other things) and should be a staple in a person's quest of self-improvement Great information in your post, thanks for sharing. I agree with everything you are saying even though I haven't done a DNA test (I always felt my social skills were below average so I just experimented with anxiolytics in the manner you describe). One point I would like to add to your post is IMO I think peop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/18 12:48 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: Biohacking (with supplements and drugs) and the SMPdo steroids count as a biohack? Typically, yes. If you are using them to increase performance to above average without having a valid medical reason then definitely. If you were prescribed them specifically for low testosterone and are using them only to fix that medical condition then it wouldn't count as a biohack. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/18 12:29 AM |
| 1 | How can someone honestly know their true, current SMV?How can someone honestly know their true, current SMV? Similar to the way you can know your value in the economic market place. Always apply to better jobs and see who hires you. You have to do things where you put people in a position to accept/reject your dating/sexual proposals and then analyze the feedback you get. Like the economic market place, value is subjective. Just because one employer hires you for $80k doesn't mean everyone will. Just because a 9 will sleep with you doesn't mean all… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/18 12:24 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: Biohacking (with supplements and drugs) and the SMPI don't think it'll ever be the norm though. Doctors aren't prescribing these levels to healthy young men, and most guys aren't game to inject themselves with some hormones they ordered from Boris in Russia. It's just men who were already adventure seeking risk takers enhancing that. Interesting points. I agree doctors typically won't help healthy patients with a performance enhancing experiment. As the article mentions you need to spend significant out of pocket money on a special doctor. In ot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/18 12:15 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: Biohacking (with supplements and drugs) and the SMPI dont think it helps with SMV Why wouldn't it? It could help your career (increasing RMV) or help you with being more confident in social situations (increasing SMV). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/18 12:06 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP : Why does RP shame single women for having cats, but not single men for having dogs or sex dolls?No way. You mean that a one-sentence "But I don't blame them, it's just in their nature, bro" disclaimer doesn't automatically make a post non-judgmental? The Red Pill is men's sexual strategy that describes what they observe to be reality. I view them as a scientist conducting a study. Say a scientist were to conduct a study and find Group X is more likely to cheat in a relationship under circumstance Y. Some people might moralize that Group X are bad people. However, at its core RP is observat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/18 01:43 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP : Why does RP shame single women for having cats, but not single men for having dogs or sex dolls?Both your examples come from envy. The point is you should or shouldn't do X because it will give you give the optimal result. Not you should or shouldn't do X because of envy. To put it another way you shouldn't steal because you could get arrested. It is also potentially immoral to steal, but I'm giving you a pragmatic reason not to steal regardless of your moral opinion of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/18 03:32 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP : Why does RP shame single women for having cats, but not single men for having dogs or sex dolls?I’m sure “men are dangerous” would go over well to amongst your group (hint: it would not) Men are dangerous and RP even says so in the parts about how to deal with angry men you might encounter while out meeting women. If RP says be cautious in situation X because reason Y someone could interpret that as women are dangerous but that isn't the actual RP message. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/18 03:24 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP : Why does RP shame single women for having cats, but not single men for having dogs or sex dolls?Ha. RP moralizes a shit ton. About women. The amoral shit is lip service because they don’t want to promote to moralizing of men. IMO when people say RP is moralizing they are misinterpreting the message. Example: RP says low n-count women make better LTRs. That is a pragmatic statement, not a moral position. It would be like an employer saying I'm going to only hire someone with a college degree. The employer isn't saying there is anything wrong with not having a college degree or the businesse… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/18 03:00 AM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: Putting aside pill affiliation, what is your elevator-pitch with your 3 key takeaways of actionable advice for a non-spergy man who already lifts/grooms/dresses well?Can you be more specific regarding the first and third? Look at it this way, most people know what they need to do to achieve a goal, but they make excuses to not do that thing. Like if your job sucks you need to work on applying to new jobs and building up skills/knowledge for the job you really want. The same thing applies to dating, if you're not happy with your situation do things to improve it. The core of PUA is not complicated and most people recognize what they need to do but rationalize… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/18 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Putting aside pill affiliation, what is your elevator-pitch with your 3 key takeaways of actionable advice for a non-spergy man who already lifts/grooms/dresses well?Stop making excuses, take action on the things you know you should be doing. Read Models by Mark Manson (assuming you have no knowledge of PUA). Honestly assess the areas you struggle with and make relevant efforts to improve at them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/18 01:16 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP : Why does RP shame single women for having cats, but not single men for having dogs or sex dolls?RP is amoral, it doesn't shame anything. It observes things that are relevant to the male dating strategy and explains how to use that information advantageously. The cat trope is meant as a descriptor, not as a moral judgement. Men are told to take action (which would mean not using dogs and sex dolls as a distraction from meeting women, but again that it is not a moral judgment, it is a pragmatic statement). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/18 01:10 AM |
| 1 | What advice would you recommend to college age men and women?That chart shows almost the exact same thing. Less than 2% post age 33 or so. A cumulative chart would be even clearer. You are not interpreting it correctly. It is saying the percentage of men getting married (first marriage) at each specific age is something like: age 34: ~2% age 35: ~2% age 36: ~2% age 37: ~2% age 38: ~2% age 39: ~1% age 40 ~1% ….. age 60: ~.1% You have to add up all of the data points of 34+ to get the amount past 33, it comes up to over 10%. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/18 01:16 AM |
| 1 | What advice would you recommend to college age men and women?Assuming the standard deviation is about correct in the source I cited: 99.7% of men are married between age 22.9 and 33.8 99.7% of women are married between age 20.3 and 31.3 The source is wrong then because that is just not reality. Here is a source that shows the age distribution (with gender) of first marriages: https://flowingdata.com/2016/03/03/marrying-age/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/18 12:37 AM |
| 1 | What advice would you recommend to college age men and women?I like how you missed the important part: that you meet your spouse years before you marry them (there is a courting / dating period). I understand your point, and I agree that it the courtship process takes time. I'm just disagreeing with the 99.7% number you reached. Think of the percentage of men that get married past say like 34, it is probably at least 10%. A substantial portion are going to marry someone they met after age 29.7 (if they met them earlier many would have already been married… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/18 11:10 PM |
| 2 | What advice would you recommend to college age men and women?Go to an affordable college. I mostly agree with the overall post but I want to expand on this point specifically. You need to choose an affordable college that also has a good social environment (from a social life perspective: a state school where you live on campus is a way better choice than a community college where most people commute). College is the one time where you can be surrounded by tons of attractive, single people in your demographic and you really need to capitalize on that inst… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/18 09:51 PM |
| 1 | What advice would you recommend to college age men and women?Therefore ~99.7% of men meet their spouses between the ages of 18.9 and 29.7 years of age. And 99.7% of women meet their spouses between the ages of 16.4 and 27.2 years of age. There is no way that is correct, something is off in your logic. If the median age of marriage is Male = 28.3 that means 50% are married after that, so there are a significant portion of men married in their 30s and beyond. I'm not buying that almost every single one of them is marrying someone they met before they turned… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/18 09:42 PM |
| 2 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Why do I say that? Because you demonstrate that you judge anyone and everyone who may do something you yourself would not do. Its probably the most pathetic of all places to be, making judgements based on what is popular at the time. Yeah, society's attitude should be "you be you" as long as what you're doing is legal and consensual. Throughout history society tries to cherry-pick this type of relationship is ok and this other type isn't ok. Then in the future attitudes change and they realize w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/18 01:39 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)What would you do with them outside of fucking? The same things that you would do if dating a woman that was your own age (like travel, thoughtful dates, etc.). You find a woman who appreciates those things at a younger age and both parties are happy in the relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 08:04 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)no, sweetie, women dont have to do shit. you dont like it? the door's right there. I never said women have to do anything, but I'm saying if a man can find a younger women who will have a relationship with him it is not societies place to judge them. I'm glad you responded to this point specifically because it points out a huge societal problem. Some men just don't have the skills to succeed in the SMP, they are given bad advice and nobody makes it a point to help them in a meaningful way. It is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 08:01 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Then why won't he date a woman his age instead? Someone who grew up watching and reading and doing the same things that he did? Someone who has more in common with than with someone who was raised entirely in the smartphones and facebook and snapchat generation? Personal preference. Each option has trade-offs that a man must subjectively weigh. The younger woman is more likely to have the advantages I listed in the OP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 04:37 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)It's perfectly fine to want to live a lower MC lifestyle. However your point rests on the presumption that women your own age won't want that (ie that as women age they will want a higher MC lifestyle and not settle for less), which means you are pursuing younger women with the knowledge that they only settle for your type of lifestyle due to age/naivety, and that as they mature and grow older they will want something else. Some would consider this manipulation as you are trying to sell a lifest… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 04:31 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)The majority of society is not racist. It was a hypothetical "if" scenario. I'm not claiming the majority of society is racist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 04:14 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Untrue. College hookup culture is a myth. Just because there are more women around doesn't necessarily mean you're going have more options - if you're an average, or God help you, below-average guy most of them won't give you the time of day anyway. Research (http://time.com/money/4072951/college-gender-ratios-dating-hook-up-culture/) shows: when men are in oversupply, the dating culture emphasizes courtship and monogamy. But when women are in oversupply—as they are today at most U.S. colleges a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 04:02 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)So basically, she's tired of being pumped and dumped by Chads who are her age and she is going to date a guy who is older than her because he can provide her what she wants. Basically... European legalized prostitution taken to the max. Basically, the older man is going to treat her the same way he would treat a women his age that he was dating. I wouldn't consider 2 people of the same age dating "legalized prostitution" and therefore an age gap that way either. I view it as people having prefer… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 03:58 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)There are no advantages for a young woman when it comes to date an older man, unless we are talking about financial advantages. NAWALT. Sure many of age gap relationships are like that but some people just have different preferences than the majority of people. Consider the weird sexual fetishes that exist, most people think they are weird but there is a small amount of people that are super in to them. A small portion of women are the same in that they just like older men more than men their ow… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 03:52 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)But why do you guys feel that men who are young and attractive are only having sex for fun? You know that guys develop emotional attachments too, right? Because research (http://time.com/money/4072951/college-gender-ratios-dating-hook-up-culture/) shows: when men are in oversupply, the dating culture emphasizes courtship and monogamy. But when women are in oversupply—as they are today at most U.S. colleges and universities—men play the field and women are more likely to be treated as sex objects… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 03:46 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)younger women who are interested in older men do care about that stuff, if not moreso, because they're expecting to be taken care of by you in exchange for their youth. NAWALT. Some women are just genuinely attracted to older men without requiring "a premium for their youth". They will treat the older man the same way they would treat a man their age. Like a scenario where a woman has a huge crush on a local celebrity or someone that has relative status in a specific environment she is in. That … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 02:08 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)The reason why a young woman doesn't care about any of that stuff is because at that age her only concern is getting stuffed with frat boy dick, so why would she want an old man to begin with if she's not interested in the guy's job or house or whatever? If guys her age are only using her for sex and playing games then the appeal of an older man might be that he is more stable and offers a deeper connection and companionship than the Chads she is having sex with. Ah ok, women in their 30s are hi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 02:00 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Yes, the younger woman has other advantages, but the old guy has a lot of disdvantages. It doesn't balance out. That is your subjective opinion. A small portion of women will reach the opposite conclusion that the advantages of an older man outweigh the disadvantages. Men there own age often play games and refuse commitment and sometimes the women get sick of those men and decide to date older men instead. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 01:51 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)What do you mean younger women are going to ask for less? Older women typically expect LTR material men to be ambitious in their careers, to own nice things, to live a certain MC/UMC lifestyle, etc. A younger woman is more likely to be cool about a man that wants to live a more chill and less structured lifestyle. Do you think young women are going to date older men in exchange of nothing? When they are in the prime of their beauty, and each girl has thousands of young, attractive, fit and muscu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 01:48 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Here, and in your title, you claim that age gap relationships are acceptable. Then you go on to say in the very next sentence that they should be acceptable. Well which is it? They are acceptable between 2 consenting adults, I was just laying out the criteria needed for 2 consenting adults. With the "should" language I was making the point that even though age gaps relationships are acceptable they shouldn't be subject to shaming from society. In a free society people are allowed to make choices… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 01:34 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)26F checking in--and someone who's legit into older dudes, always have been. First of all, what are we talking about when we say "age gaps"? Because I am often interested in guys 5-10 years older than me That is the upper limit of what I'm personally interested in but I realized from a theoretical standpoint that the line of thinking would really approve of any consensual age gap relationship (meeting the criteria in OP) because the justification is it is a free SMP and it is not right to critic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 01:18 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)By saying you're pursuing younger women because they're easier to impress you're letting everyone know that you most likely fall short of meeting basic relationship requirements that women your own age know are needed, and are using younger women's naivety about relationships and life to get them into a relationship with a man they aren't worldly enough to know is a subpar partner. Age gap relationships can be healthy but it's silly to overtly say you pursue women with naivety/lower standards an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 12:54 PM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Logical reasons to NOT date a younger woman: All fair points. The man has to weigh those reasons against the benefits. Like those things might be ok for a 25 year old man dating an 18 year old but the 35 year old man is more than likely to be dissuaded enough that he'll only pursue women past that phase (like mid-twenties women). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 04:29 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)What people do... especially the older people I'm talking about... is they stop inviting you. And then you're left without a normal social life. True, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'd view it as ignorant people left my life now I can make new friends that are more supportive. Yes, this is hard but it is highly rewarding when you are friends with people who like and support the person you truly are. Look at it this way if I was a corporate job type guy but I really wanted to live the h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 04:18 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)If she's extremely socially astute and not a minger, she can have a guy who is closer to her own age and doing well, a gap of five years at most, she doesn't have to marry older and put up with old man boobs, lack of energy from her husband, her husband's boring and jaded older friends, a retirement spending the lively parts of her old age looking after a man who is now frail, the increased likelyhood he will die first and she will die alone and unwanted once she is frail herself. I mean serious… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 04:04 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)I agree with most of the content of this post. I think the biggest disconnect is that you are saying "age-gap relationships don't work for the majority of people" but then you are presuming that I'm advocating that they are a good idea for a large number of people. My position is that they probably only work for a small number of people. I'm saying if people can make it work then it is not anybody's business to tell them they are wrong. To give an analogy a small number of people live "off the g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 03:55 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Dude, you LITERALLY mentioned sugar daddies in your post. And you said that's okay for both parties - which it is. Of course most young women who go for older dudes are in it for the money and luxury. Fantastical thinking to imagine they don't care. I know young women who see sugar daddies. Trust me, money talks. Sorry, I was still arguing the "easier to impress" point. I was saying if younger women are going to ask for less than an older women it is logical for a guy to pursue younger women. To… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 03:37 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)The only things that are controversial here about older men younger women are what men believe, not women: That younger women want them as a rule. Sorry, not true.That younger women should forgo their freedom in their early 20s to marry ugly 35 year old virgin programmersThat women become subhuman scum the day the turn 40 and only good for belitting by middle aged mgtows bitter that they were left out of the sexual revolution Here is my views on those points, we are in agreement: Younger women a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 03:19 AM |
| 0 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Old dude Trying to be young is cringe city though Yeah, I was more trying to say that he shouldn't try to differentiate himself as older, he shouldn't actively try to be young. Prioritize focusing on commonalities (like the hobby) and avoid the impulse of talking about how much greater everything is in your life and focus on being relatable (more as a human being, than as a young person specifically). Like to give an example you might tell a woman that you hang out with your friends and do norma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 02:52 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Most 20 year old women are not really adults yet. Society treats them adults in almost all other respects (able to live on their own, able to have any job, able to make legal agreements, punished in adult court for crimes). If society agreed a higher age than 18 was adult then I would amend my criteria to she must be that age before a relationship with an older man would be valid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 02:42 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Your theory is predicated on the idea that older men want LTRs. Many of them are perfectly happy to pump and dump younger women even unto the end of time. The woman still has to filter for the LTR seeking men specifically. I'm making a general statement that as men age the percentage that wants LTRs goes up. Most men eventually come to appreciate the benefits of LTRs as they age. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 02:37 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)You don't have to disapprove of the relationship to not want an 18 year old at your grown up dinner party. I feel like we've ventured too far into hyperbole territory. Most 40 year olds that want to date younger aren't going to date an 18 year old. The consequences you mentioned are just not worth the benefit. The 40 year old will most likely weigh the benefits and consequences and decide that a woman like age 25-30 is a much more sensible age gap. There are plenty of people that would not have … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 02:32 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Age-gap relationships used to be far more acceptable (although they were always a minority). This cultural shift is recent, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it shifted again in my lifetime. That's my theory too. Here's why - Fewer men (relative to women) are going to college these days. If a college woman only dates college men she artificially reduces the supply of men and it increases the SMP leverage of the college guys. Subsequently, the men use their leverage to get casual sex an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 02:08 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Where? Like prison? Like the gym, where they go to lift. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 02:03 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)HELLO QT!!! I am a dinohunter! (One who seeks a relationship with older men). I am so glad I got to you before my other hunters did ;). I can't wait to cause you to go extinct (if you know what I am talking about ;) ) Here is a few questions for you: Can your lose skin stretch across my forehead? How do you feel about role play situations, in which I pretend to be the end of social security? Do you know any more lose and wild baby boomers? Thanks for answering! Can't wait to sit down with you ov… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 02:01 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)So long as she's picking up half the tab (i.e has a 100K+ job of her own). Even if a man has all those and meets a woman who also has those things he might still prefer the younger woman. He already has enough money and nice things, if a woman can also bring those things he doesn't necessarily care. The younger woman has other advantages and it can be logical it for him to value those things over the money and nice things that women his age have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 01:55 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Don't expect to be treated the same though. Even if your friends are receptive to the general idea of the age gap and look at your particular age gap relationship and decide you're not a creepy manipulative jerk, an 18 year old just isn't the same sort of fun as other 40 year olds are. 18 year olds are pretty much kids who socialize best with other kids. There's a reason why I don't think "Oh I'll invite that teenager from across the road!" when I'm having a social event that my own teen kids wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 01:51 AM |
| 3 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Cause god knows so many hot 18 year olds hang out at the learning annex for the 6:45pm intro to Salsa class, and they absolutely wouldn't rather snapchat themselves getting smashed on natty ice and making out with frat bros. You have to adjust to your specific scenario, Salsa class might work fine for a 30s man looking for a 20s woman. I wouldn't know much about 18 yr olds because they are too young for me personally. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 01:40 AM |
| 0 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)You cannot make a younger woman who has zero interest in older men change her mind unless you're bringing some serious money or status to the stable. And in many cases, even that wouldn't be enough (I fall in this camp). So there's no point in going out of your way to act "fun and exciting" like a guy her age. It's best to cater to the ones who are attracted to older men and generally not to men their own age by keeping up the indicators they want (status, maturity, wisdom, the "amused mastery" … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 01:32 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Your point that “they’re easier to impress” says it all about where this justification actually springs from Why should men bother trying to impress women who demand s 100k+ job, house in suburbs, luxury car, etc. when a younger woman doesn't care about any of that stuff? It was really a commentary about older women being too demanding compared to what they bring to the SMP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 01:17 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)How about being pressured to drop out of high school to take care of a sick parent? That would be acceptable if she is over 18. It is really a judgment call given your particular society. The point was not to take advantage of women who lack the mental capacity to make adult decisions. I was just using high school degree as a proxy for that criteria but it obviously more complicated than age + degree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 01:12 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)None of this matters. What matters is that relationships with wide age gaps are frowned on by the vast majority of a young woman's peers. From a practical standpoint I agree. I am saying the fact that they frown on age gap relationships is something society gets wrong. Look at it this way if society frowned upon inter-racial dating the way they frown upon age-gap relationships it doesn't mean inter-racial dating isn't acceptable, it means the majority of that society is racist. In that society h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 01:08 AM |
| 1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Are you joking me rn? Like what? Be a baby sitter? This entire paragraph made me lol. Hilarious That was not a very charitable view of what I said. I mean community events like dancing classes or volunteering for something you care about. Obviously, baby sitter is not what I meant. I even specifically called that out as unacceptable. To quote my OP: The man must not abuse his position of power to induce the relationship. The woman is 18+ and has a high-school degree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 01:03 AM |
| 2 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)Seems reasonable, although I object to your statement that says the woman must have a high school degree That's fair, the point I was making was she must be considered and adult and have the mental capacity of an adult. I just picked a higher standard than is required by some societies. I was trying to succinctly come up with a rule about not taking advantage of someone with diminished mental capabilities (like the concept of someone not having legal capacity in contract law). As you pointed out… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 12:44 AM |
| -1 | CMVs on older men dating younger women (it is normally acceptable)no one has to agree with you and they aren’t wrong if they don’t. if you have an opinion and you want to stick to it, just do that and stop begging for approval. I don't care about their approval/validation. I want to understand specifically what their objections to this view are. That is why I made the post so long so they can pick specifics points where they disagree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/18 12:36 AM |
| 6 | Question about The WallWho cares about most men? If you're looking for love, numbers don't matter xD With y'all everything is 'most'. Because knowing how the SMP functions gives both parties an optimal strategy. If you're a women wanting marriage/children the sensible option is in your 20's to filter for high RMV men instead of players who won't commit. Another analogy: MOST jobs that pay over $100k/yr require a college degree. Therefore the optimal strategy if you want that type of job is to acquire a college degree.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/18 01:43 AM |
| 1 | Question about The WallNo sir. They'd pick the woman that's more attractive. If the 25 year old is average and the 35 year old is pretty, they'll take the 35 year old. But let's say that's not the case. Why should a woman of substance care about numbers? Only a shallow woman would be bothered that a man would choose a one night stand with a younger woman over her. I think you may have misread he response, he said the same woman. To rephrase his point imagine you can choose between: Option A - Your gf/wife will never p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/18 01:27 AM |
| 1 | How do i un-dig myself from trp hole.In trp they say stuff that im wired to cheat even if i never done that, they said if i can cheat i will cheat, they also say that i dont know how to love, that i dont know what is love. They also mention that i want to manipulate men bc im greedy and i cant change that no matter what that its scientific proven that its a fact that i am a bad person that my existance is only good for cum dumpster. TRP is advising men to be cautious so bad things don't happen to them. Basically, "to treat every gu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/18 03:32 AM |
| 1 | How does your pill/perspective explain “good on paper” men failing to find suitable relationships?If the paper is wrong or missing key qualities it's on whoever wrote it, not the pills duty to justify an incorrect list. It is the pills job to tell people what the correct qualities are, to tell people what the optimal strategy is. If BP/mainstream says here is a list of qualities that are attractive and then someone provides examples of men who have those qualities but can't find a RMV matching women then BP should be able to explain why women aren't finding that person attractive. Look at it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/18 03:21 AM |
| 1 | How does your pill/perspective explain “good on paper” men failing to find suitable relationships?men who fail usually fail for a reason - and no, it's not because they're good, as TRP would have you believe it. I'm not sure I follow. I don't think TRP claims men fail because they are good. It claims these men fail because society gave them an incorrect understanding of what is really attractive, society led them to cultivate the wrong skills. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/18 03:10 AM |
| 1 | How does your pill/perspective explain “good on paper” men failing to find suitable relationships?The third one is obviously fucking stupid because ridiculously flawed people get into lasting relationships all the time. It is like when a person with a job says the homeless deserve their fate because they don't work hard. In the employed person's mind they need to justify that the other person has some type of character flaw, because if bad outcomes aren't determined by character flaws then there is the possibility that they could suffer the same fate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/18 01:19 AM |
| 1 | How does your pill/perspective explain “good on paper” men failing to find suitable relationships?Why aren't these good answers? Because IMO it is the wrong answer and it doesn't help him become more successful. The correct answer is that what he thinks are attractive qualities is an incomplete list at best, and often the opposite of what he needs to do. He needs to follow TRP style advice about lifting, confidence, assertiveness, game, etc. in order to become more successful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/18 01:15 AM |
| 1 | How does your pill/perspective explain “good on paper” men failing to find suitable relationships?what does he look like, how dorky/nerdy/antisocial/uncool is he? where does he hang out? Usually it seems like they are men that spend most of their time at work/home, maybe they do some hobbies or meetups on the weekends. Social skills are slightly below average but they are fine with having normal conversations (although around new people they typically ask boring interview style questions - What do you do for work, what do you do for fun, how long have you lived in this town, where else have … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/18 01:07 AM |
| 1 | How does your pill/perspective explain “good on paper” men failing to find suitable relationships?Usually these guys complain about not being able to find casual sex and how Stacey won't bang programmers. There are not hordes of men crying about wanting relationships. I don't have any numbers but it seems the more common scenario is a programmer who can't get any dates. The man who can't get dates usually wants a relationship because dating is hard and frustrating for him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/18 11:07 PM |
| 3 | Another Online Dating Study on M/F DesirabilityThis study seems to provide a lot of evidence for TRP claims. I'm quoting the study: (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/8/eaap9815): The number of initial messages a user receives....is roughly consistent across cities, and although women receive more messages than men overall, the distributions for both display a classic “long-tailed” form—most people receive a handful of messages at most, but a small fraction of the population receive far more In other words: the 80/20 concept from TRP.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/18 12:39 PM |
| 1 | Another Online Dating Study on M/F Desirabilityhttp://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/8/eaap9815 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/18 12:16 PM |
| 2 | How does “losing” in the SMP impact other areas of life?That sounds similar to what I've seen IRL. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/18 12:38 AM |
| 1 | How does “losing” in the SMP impact other areas of life?I fail to understand why having a bunch of animals is a problem as long as you are not a weird hoarder person and they are properly cared for. It is not a problem. I was just interested in seeing if there were connections between SMP problems and any behavior (good, bad, or neutral). Kind of like how if a person buys product X at a store they are more likely to buy product Y too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/18 04:36 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPYou're implicitly discarding my proposition that women want "naturals" rather than people who had to make themselves hot. If they want the hottest genetics then it is naturals they would flock to. Ergo, if the program you proposed was a thing, they'd have an incentive to start digging through records. Or maybe demanding teenage-photos on dating profiles. Yes, a natural might be preferable but I think you're thinking about this too theoretically, it is not how normal people behave. Look you can f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/18 12:27 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPYou didn't say how, you just outlined how a program can be structured. This should be the crux of your CMV- sell the benefits of why you think this is a good idea. Thanks for the feedback, I should have focused more on this aspect. Unfortunately, the justification is based mostly on antecdotes, speculation, and intuition (but it isn't necessarly wrong, I just haven't seen the research): If men don't think they can succeed romantically some will avoid pursuing a career because it doesn't matter o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 11:34 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPYour response tackles this from an interesting perspective that I had not thought of. we end up with credential inflation and people getting educations they simply do not use on the job Anecdotely, I see this credential inflation commonly. In many fields you need a Master's degree where a lesser degree used to be sufficent in the past. Or employers that only need a high-school degree but hire people with college degrees just because there are so many people with college degrees these days. men w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 11:31 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPActually, your proposal in the OP would function better as a Non-profit Private Organization. That is a really good point, now that I think about it that would probably be a better approach. That way it could start small and the impacts could be measured before scaling it to a wider audience. It's more of a match making program that the government runs. The first problem with that approach is that arranging dates fails to correct the underlying problem for why a person can't get dates. Without f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 11:04 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMP...Your solution to the homeless, jobless, parentless, and mentally ill is... Pick-Up Artist Camp? No each group I listed is eligible for certain government funded services: Homeless = shelters Jobless = vocational training, resume/interview help Parentless = foster homes Mentally Ill = therapy My point was that maybe people with SMP problems should also be eligible for government funded help. The help would be available for both genders and for most people I don't think it would resemble PUA ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 10:55 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPOkay, do you think the government would provide mental care as well? Yes, most evidence seems to indicate that the universal coverage approach provides the better outcomes at a lower cost than the current system in the US. Furthermore, it is a much cleaner solution to address the problem of people that need coverage but can't afford it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 10:48 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPI don't think it's the government's job to do something like this for it's citizens. It's not necessarily the function of the government to assist it's citizens in order for them to live productive lives. Aside from that, a government program like this would cost a lot of money. Some of the cost would be made up by the people in the program becoming more happy and productive members of society (thus paying higher taxes). Furthermore, if some of those people would have become addicts without SMP … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 12:35 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPDo you know why there is public education at all? It is because people who have basic math and know how to read are way more productive, have netter wages and thus, pay more taxes. Yes, government programs are assumed to have a benefit greater than the cost. I'm saying that the benefit of helping people with thier SMP problems exceeds the cost. Many SMP losers check out of society and end up doing unproductive things, or even getting addictions. If they had more help they might instead end up ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 12:29 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPmost of society's problems are caused by rewarding the weak and unsuccessful at the expense of the strong and successful. it feels good to take care of the weak, but it incentivizes and encourages further weakness. To some extent yes. However, sometimes helping the weak also helps the strong. If you don't help the weak they band together and dismantle structures that support the strong. That is why they need some incentive to participate in the system instead of fighting to dismantle it. And in … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 12:16 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPSeriously? The government doesn't even pay for healthcare, which is something people actually need to live. I would support universal healthcare and this is really just an extension of it by providing additional services. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 12:12 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPWhat guarantees people will use the correct one in those tax paid courses? Most of those courses are lackluster to say the least and are always pushing some political agenda. The coaches would be rated on effectiveness by the students and new students would be funneled toward the highest rated ones. Like how establishments are ranked on Yelp or Google, for the most part that steers people toward the best options and away from bad options. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 12:10 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPGovernment programs are very well known for inefficiency. An ineffecient solution is better than no solution. For instance you could say public roads should never be built because the government is inefficient, but then we just wouldn't have roads because no individual has the incentive to fix the no public roads problems. If the government steps in with supposed solutions that do not work it may breed more resentment within the struggling population that needs the help. The SMV market place is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 02:34 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPWhat about them? I was just seeing if your position was that the government shouldn't help anyone, or that it just shouldn't help individuals with SMP problems. Everybody has opinions about how they want resources distributed and who they want to see given assistance. I think the needs of those groups outweigh incels. Fair point, I could make the argument that helping the incels would be resource neutral. By helping them in the SMP they would have more incentive to advance society (thus generati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 02:27 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPFinancially incentivise then. That is already common practice. Many health insurers offer discounts for doing healthy things and charge premiums for doing unhealthy things (such as smoking). Anyway, how would you apply financial incentives to help people in the SMP? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 02:21 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPif you're a complete failure in the sexual marketplace and life in general and can't figure out how to get laid despite having access to far more information than any of your ancestors, then you probably should be a sexual/reproductive dead end. What about other disenfranchised members of society (the homeless, the jobless, kids without proper parents, the mentally ill, etc.), should society not help them either? Fundamentally, I believe many free market systems are designed to cause certain ind… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 02:14 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPThe free market has a pretty strong track record of being better at getting shit accomplished than the government The free market does have its successes, but it also has a track record of creating problems that need government intervention. Without the government the world would be a lot more polluted, children would be exploited for labor, corporations would get people to work insane amounts of hours, etc. Just because the free market is generally more efficient than the government doesn't mea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 01:53 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPWhat about other disenfranchised members of society (the homeless, the jobless, kids without proper parents, the mentally ill, etc.)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 01:43 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPGovernment funded coaching would be available to both genders, not just men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 01:25 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Government funded coaching (dating and life) is a good way to help individuals struggling in the SMPThe government isn't compelling anyone to go to coaching, and they shouldn't. It is only for the people that make a choice that they want to improve. The government banning things or forcing people to do things is not what I talked about at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 01:25 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Hyper-individualism is the root cause of almost all SMP problemsI'll probably expand on the relationship school in a separate post later this week but briefly: Another problem is if people act on "lessons" who are gonna be the teachers? What are their approach? The system would be setup so the students would rate the performance of the coach after a certain number of lessons. Funding and referrals would be driven by those ratings. The approach would be assess the individual and first see if they were deficient in any of the basics - eye contact, posture, gro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/18 12:19 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Hyper-individualism is the root cause of almost all SMP problemsWhat would be the correct way then? Let government control our relationships like it did in the beginning of the 18th century? I find it quite disturbing. Give a more fair alternative to people deciding their own relationships like the adults they are, aka free market. I challenge you. The solution is definitely not the government controlling relationships. Just because I don't have a solution doesn't mean there isn't a better alternative that could eventually be found. The closest idea I have r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/18 03:06 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Hyper-individualism is the root cause of almost all SMP problemsI see none of them as negative things. Declining religion was merely an explanation for why hyper-individualistic behavior has increased. I was not asserting that it was a negative or positive thing. The other 2 are problems that I commonly hear people complain about. I'm saying whatever you subjectively see as SMP problems are probably caused by hyper-individualistic behavior. It doesn't have to be the problems I specifically listed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/18 02:57 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Hyper-individualism is the root cause of almost all SMP problemsThere are many economists who would disagree with you on this. The economists disagree on if those polices have a net benefit to society (which is a reasonable a nuanced argument). My point was that simply that those policies help the individuals at the bottom of the pyramid, not that they always have a net benefit to society. Instead of Marty McDonald (owner of McDonalds) paying Billy Burgerflipper $3/hr (which he would work for) he has to pay him $7.25/hr, that just means that Billy is better … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/18 02:53 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Hyper-individualism is the root cause of almost all SMP problemsOr most people just underthink it :) I disagree that the bottom can always fix themselves. Some can and some can't. Sometimes a system just creates people that will never be able to attain what the system values. Like not everyone can become a professional sports player through harder training, some of what is needed is genetic and unchangeable. In the SMP obviously self-improvement helps a lot but the SMP doesn't create a sitution where every man is guaranteed to succeed by self-improving to le… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/18 02:41 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Hyper-individualism is the root cause of almost all SMP problemsThose "problems" only exist because people are free to weight and change deals or partners. To cut those is to cut freedom and create a array of other problems. Your argument seem to based on the assumption that more individual freedom is better than less individual freedom. That is just not true because unlimited individual freedom would result in people interfering with other people's individual freedom (such as through the use of violence). An optimal system needs to balance individual freedo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/18 02:34 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Hyper-individualism is the root cause of almost all SMP problemsSince I don't believe that the ethical solution is to take choice away from women, the ethical solution is for men to put in as much work as they can to attract the type of woman who they want to attract, or to lower their standards when it comes to the women who they are willing to accept as sexual partners. I think it is far more complex than men needing to work harder. In a free choice individualistic society the average women desire men who are better than other men as opposed to wanting an … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/18 02:18 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Hyper-individualism is the root cause of almost all SMP problemsWho cares if hyper-individualism is bad when it comes to society? The problem is that if you create a system that is too vertical the people in the bottom become incentivized to opt out or to dismantle/change the system. Feminism (at least originally) was a response to fight back against a system that disenfranchized women, and look what happened: the system got changed. In the SMP if too many people are disenfranchized they will eventually cause the system to change, potentially to a system tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/18 05:52 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Hyper-individualism is the root cause of almost all SMP problemsI think these concepts are very interrelated. When you live in a small group you have more of a vested interested in helping your community (a subset of society) succeed. In mass urban situations you have less of a connection to strangers so there is a much greater tendency toward hyper-individualistic behavior because you don't care as much about what happens to other people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/18 05:25 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Hyper-individualism is the root cause of almost all SMP problemsCompetition in any marketplace will always have disadvantages to those that fail to succeed. The net benefit, however, is that society as a whole is progressed further by the competition. To a large extent I agree, but society can be harmed by the excesses of competition. For example it can lead to resource depletion or environmental destruction that puts society in worse off position than whatever was gained by using those resources. Furthermore, imagine a society eliminates all its labor laws … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/18 02:49 PM |
| 2 | (Discussion) What aspects or ideas of the ideology you support (Red Pill, Blue Pill, or something in-between) do you think are the most likely to backfire?are there any aspects of the ideology you guys believe in, Red, Blue, or Purple, that have similar potential for "backfiring"? To a certain degree TRP advocates doing what is best for you personally, don't worry about how your behavior impacts others in society. If a critical mass of men do that it destabilizes society. In free-market capitalism that attitude would result in people being paid below minimum wage, people polluting the Earth much more, etc.. That is why at some point even people th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/18 08:17 PM |
| 1 | How can a modern society incentivize monogamy?Are you somehow under the impression that most people don't chose monogamy? Because they do. Key word is CHOOSE. I’m asking how can you setup the system so more people would choose monogamy? Think of this way: some people choose to go to college (presumably because they have an incentive of ending up with better jobs). It would be like asking how could you design a system where more people choose to go to college (say only 40% of people go, how could you get it to 50%). Why does PPD seem to be o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/18 04:55 PM |
| 1 | Why don't wives just tell their husbands to lift and dress better?Some wives don’t want their husbands to improve too much because then those men will become more attractive to other woman and the wife is afraid of the competition. If a man improves too much he might just start getting offers from younger women and leave her. If the people in a marriage are in a scarcity paradigm they will also do other things due to their fear of their partner leaving. Men aren’t allowed to go to the bars as much, women aren’t allowed to hang out with their exes, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/18 04:12 PM |
| – | CMV: Red Pillers are red flags for LTRs, just as much if not moreso than high N womenTRP is a toolbox, it tries to tell you the optimal way to achieve various outcomes in the SMP. If you want to “spin plates” it tells you how, but it also tells you how to optimize the chances of a successful LTR. It is always up to the man to decide what they truly want from the SMP. Even in the PUA circle they advise that you don’t have to want only ONS, your end goal can be a LTR (or even marriage). Past a certain age the club/ONS lifestyle just doesn’t appeal to many men and they would rather… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/18 04:05 PM |
| 1 | Why is it acceptable for women to use deception to attract a higher quality man but not vice versa?Both genders do things to improve their looks. For example, men get hair implants, dye their grey hair, wear hats, get weight reduction surgery, use steroids, etc. It is more common for women to do things to improve their looks though because men aren’t as attracted to other traits nearly as much as women. Therefore, a man has other options to improve his SMV/RMV (building a career, building a social circle, learning game, eye contact, interesting/passionate hobbies, etc.). Since a man has other… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/18 12:30 PM |
| 5 | Q4ALL: Isn't life too short for anything other than "HELL YES?"1: Why should you settle for anyone other than a person who looks at you the way one looks at a celebrity or at one's food when it arrives at the restaurant? As you said in your opening sentence, life is short. Time is a limited resource. If you haven't met the person you describe by a certain age then it is reasonable to value settling for a similar option that you are less enthusiastic about instead of continuing to spend time pursuing something you may never get. Besides, nothing can guarante… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/18 02:16 AM |
| 1 | Question for red pills: in your opinion, what does a positive masculinity look like?Creative problem solver. Sets fair, but strict, boundaries for his own behavior and the behavior of others. Tries to find co-operative solutions to problems before resulting to a solution that ignores other people's needs. Independent and critical thinker. I think of it like a respectable businessman. He knows how to achieve success in life but his actions aren’t always about him. He makes reasonable attempts to improve the lives of people around them too. It is only when other people are being … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/18 03:42 AM |
| – | Q4ALL: What are your biggest complaints about the SMP?I was thinking that most people, even those successful in the SMP, would have things they don't like such as the communication being frustrating (ghosting, etc.) or how people have less loyalty and are willing to give up when they find a Bigger Better Deal. I feel like PPD isn't really the place where someone would hang out at if they were completely satisfied with the SMP, unless their interest was purely academic. I think the people on PPD without frustrations are a small part of the user base… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/18 01:27 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Technology has greatly increased the difficulty of dating for most younger men.Here are possible ways Insta could be leveraged: A woman you are not friends with sees you tagged with a mutual friend. She thinks you’re attractive and follows you or asks the mutual friend to introduce her to you. Or when a woman asks her female friends if they know any men they can set her up with - she might show them your Insta profile. It creates “warm approach” situations where she has already seen photos of you from friends, so the first time you meet you already have some social proof b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/18 01:40 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Technology has greatly increased the difficulty of dating for most younger men.I don't use Snapchat and Instagram and barely login to Facebook and this has never been an issue when meeting girls IRL. Why would it? You've still not actually explained that. This problem applies to a very specific demographic, when both the man and the women are under ~26. It is just odd (and a potential red flag) when someone does something differently than the rest of the group. It would be like telling someone you didn’t have a cell phone (potentially indicates you can’t afford one). Not h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/18 12:34 PM |
| 1 | Let's talk about Frame-control, a core TRP concept that Reds/Blues/Purples will have interesting views on.Your frame won't be anchored in reality PUA also teaches congruence - that you should say and do what you really believe. You can adopt a beneficial frame that is within your reality. Example 1: I go to the gym and devote a-lot of time of other self-improvement activities therefore I will stand out in a positive way from most men. If you don’t like your reality then TRP teaches you to actively change what you can about yourself to become better. Adopting the frame of who you are becoming is cong… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/18 12:31 PM |
| 1 | Let's talk about Frame-control, a core TRP concept that Reds/Blues/Purples will have interesting views on.1: What do you guys all think about Frame-control? Frame is mostly just a way of saying someone’s view of the world. They exist in every situation, not just the SMP. If you just fall into other people’s frame you are a pushover and not respected in most situation. Even monks have a frame about how they wish everyone in the world, including their enemies well. That frame helps them achieve their mindfulness goals. In every situation you should have a frame that is helpful to you but it is mostly … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/18 02:54 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Technology has greatly increased the difficulty of dating for most younger men.How many actual women are going to not consider you attractive just because you don't use Snapchat? This isn't a thing that I have ever seen happen IRL to anyone ever. I highly doubt not using social media actually limits your pool much if at all. Consider 2 restaurants. One has a promotional website and the other does not. The one with a website is at an advantage because they have access to more potential customers because they are using an additional platform. That is closer to the disadvanta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/18 12:54 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Technology has greatly increased the difficulty of dating for most younger men.Oh well that's it then if something requires practice it's not worth it. Everyone knows that anything worth doing is easy and requires zero effort, that's the saying right? I was just making the point that in learning cold approach men get actively discouraged by society in the beginning stages. College/gym/other things in life are hard, but when people struggle society encourages them to continue trying to achieve their goals. Less people would follow through on completing those things if socie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/18 12:17 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Technology has greatly increased the difficulty of dating for most younger men.That makes sense as practical advice. However, I think this is proving my view that technology is making dating harder for most younger men. You are basically saying men who don’t have social media skills should limit themselves to a smaller pool of women. That would put them at a disadvantage to other men who have access to a larger pool of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/18 02:31 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Technology has greatly increased the difficulty of dating for most younger men.Most of the people … dont actually approach Or they do approach and it doesn’t go well because it takes a lot of practice to make an interaction go well. The likely outcome of the first cold approach is the woman seeing you like a homeless person that is asking her for a dollar. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/18 01:40 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Technology has greatly increased the difficulty of dating for most younger men.Why not reject social media online bullshit if it's not effective for you and concentrate on cold approach or social circle dating like the old days? Yeah, that was kind of the unstated conclusion. Social circle and cold approach (if you can get past the initial barriers) are way better options for the average man. I feel like men just delude themselves by thoughts like, “online dating exists now so I don’t need to learn those skills”, they fail to account for the fact that they aren’t valued hi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/18 01:28 AM |
| 1 | What are your thoughts on the new Netflix documentary Liberated: The New Sexual Revolution?I think it really highlights how vastly different the SMP is for the top men (say 20%) than it is for the average man. They mostly focused on the top looking guys and showed how easy it was for them to get casual sex. It was anecdotal evidence of what TRP/PUA advocates – behaving in a confident DGAF way (being muscular helps too) is part of what makes women attracted to you. There was a part with a girl from a religious university not wanting to be on camera because she might get in trouble. It … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/18 10:58 PM |
| – | New to Reddit. 29Y.O. With virtually no experience with women. Looking for advice on how to change.basically go up to women and initiate with an opener Put yourself in situations where you are surrounded by strangers of both genders that you are "supposed" to be interacting with. Like hobbies or Meetup. When you have a legitimate non-PUA purpose to interact with a women it makes it much easier to have random conversations. This will help you feel better about interacting with strangers. Once you are comfortable doing this then you can transition into cold approach scenarios. A wingman would v… | /r/seduction | 06/03/18 01:18 AM |
| 3 | The fundamental thing that this sub gets wrong...A woman’s behavior towards a man is always going to being with respect how he makes her feel There is both a logical and emotional component to decision making in both genders. For instance, a man might get mad and act on emotions instead of relying on logic. Women probably place more emphasis on emotions than men but they also rely on logic when deciding how to behave around men. For instance, she is not going to just go home with a man she just met after 5 minutes just because he makes her fee… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/18 12:10 AM |
| 1 | [Science] Manospherian myths about male/female preference for n-counts debunked with scienceTRP probably increases the chances of settling with a high n-count woman. The behavior it promotes tends to be less attractive to women with lower n-counts. TRP is a toolbox that shows a man how to increase the number of women that are attracted to him. The man can choose to use that to find low or high n-count women. Social circle is more effective for finding low n-count while bars/clubs are more effective for ONS. Also, if he is concerned about his own n-count he could use bars/clubs as pract… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/18 11:37 PM |
| 2 | [Science] Manospherian myths about male/female preference for n-counts debunked with sciencewomen set the narrative Both men and women have the option to settle on the options available to them. Men say no to sex and LTRs with women who do meet the man’s standards. Men also sometimes choose to say no to all their options with women (MGTOW). And a woman with a low n count will not commit to a high n count man Some women get and stay in relationships with men that are criminals. Being with a criminal is not her ideal preference. He had enough other attractive qualities so she choose to b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/18 11:13 PM |
| 1 | [Science] Manospherian myths about male/female preference for n-counts debunked with scienceAll of society follows TRP principles. Let me rephrase the point I was making. Most people don’t actively put enough effort into building attractive qualities. They don’t lift. They don’t make it a point to build social skills. They don’t try or aspire to making a living outside of an office job. They don’t work on their unattractive qualities (like becoming less shy or playing less video games). People that do build attractive qualities are far more likely to be able to settle with lower n-coun… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/18 01:23 PM |
| 1 | [Science] Manospherian myths about male/female preference for n-counts debunked with scienceSign me up. People compromising their preferences isn’t just a SMP concept. You can also observe it in the job market. Say an employer posts saying the ideal preferably has skill x. They might end up hiring who doesn’t have skill x if that person has enough other value to the employer. There is obviously a limit to how much someone will compromise and TRP does not exactly do the best job of setting reasonable expectations. However, the underlying principle is sound – build general lifestyle valu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/18 03:39 AM |
| 3 | [Science] Manospherian myths about male/female preference for n-counts debunked with scienceDoesn't anyone ever just you know, fall in love? Falling in love is just subconsciously processing the same questions. You can love someone that doesn't match your ideal preferences. Like ideally he could make more money or be in better in shape, but that doesn't prevent you from falling in love with him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/18 03:00 AM |
| 1 | [Science] Manospherian myths about male/female preference for n-counts debunked with scienceYes, that is how the SMP works. Both parties have preferences and the final outcome is a result of the compromises each party makes. Women have preferences too (physical appearance, confidence, social status, successful career) but they end up compromising those preferences because they can’t all get the 10/10 millionaire. You can’t look at a woman with a 7/10 man and infer that is her ideal preference. The market forced her to settle on someone who didn’t meet her ideal preferences. Again, that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/18 02:25 AM |
| 1 | [Science] Manospherian myths about male/female preference for n-counts debunked with scienceIt is wildly believed that … men prefer low n-count women. Many men do prefer low n-count women. They state that preference all the time and then take actions to avoid committing to LTRs with high n-count women. It is irrelevant why they prefer low n-count, all that matters is that it is an actual preference they have. Beyond their statements the low n-count preference can be easily observed through actions (such as men asking about a woman’s relationship history) so there is no way a study can … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/18 01:16 AM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?I'm sure even if you work it like this, you have to accept that some of the largest group of truly, awfully disadvantaged people would clearly be men, irregardless of however loud some people complain to the contrary. Yes, I (OP) agree with this statement. What I'm saying is that those top men use privilege to gain advantages over both women and other men. The way privilege is framed is that the top men have a privilege therefore all men benefit. They don't all benefit, with some male privilege … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/18 12:46 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?If there was a group of 100 people that had annual income of 20,000 each except one person had a salary of over 100,000,000 the average salary is over 1,000,000 each. However, it would be erroneous to set policies based on the average salary of the group because the reality is that each person does not literally make over a 1,000,000. For instance, you wouldn’t set the tax policy to everyone paying 25,000 each. So really the conversation was about discussing the flaws of the privilege argument. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/18 07:21 PM |
| 1 | Sexual attraction =/= physical attractionWhen you say sexual attraction is not a choice what you really mean is that how you act on your impulse/feeling is not a choice. That is completely different than sexual attraction being a choice. For instance, let's say you're 18 and in your location the age of consent is 18. You might be attracted to a girl who is 16, you can't choose not to be attracted to her. You can choose to not act on the fact that you are attracted to her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/18 12:45 AM |
| 1 | Sexual attraction =/= physical attractionsexual attraction is a choice If sexual attraction was a choice then gay men could choose to be sexually attracted to women instead of men. Also, straight men could choose to be attracted to men instead of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/18 12:29 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: What are the side effects of TRP?Could you please elaborate? Side effects: Problems that occur when treatment goes beyond the desired effect. People initially go to TRP to treat dating/relationship problems, but it has effects on other areas of their life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/18 09:54 PM |
| 1 | The year is 2018. What's the status on the "three date rule"?There are exceptions to it such as if she is sexually inexperienced or has a conservative upbringing. In general if she doesn't put out by the third date it means she isn't very interested in you or she is only interested in you for the BB/provider role. It is going to be nearly impossible to get her to want you for the AF/lover role. Bottom line: If she is making you wait longer than she made other guys wait then you are not her top choice. There are women who will put out sooner so you shouldn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/18 09:43 PM |
| 1 | A new perspective on dating Beta nerdsalthough why they want to be with women who act like that is still a mystery. Because they can't attract the kind of women that appreciates them for who they are. So the logic is that they would rather have a "flawed" woman than no woman at all. TRP does push pretty hard that all woman are "flawed", so they may also decide that there isn't a better option anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/18 04:39 PM |
| 2 | A new perspective on dating Beta nerdsYes, I used to be like this before I found TRP. I have non-TRP beta friends and this is an accurate description of how they view relationships. I've recently noticed that more nerds are becoming less prone to random acts of chivalry … she can't count on the beta nerds she's dated to defend her in an argument There is actually several alternate explanations for why you are seeing this. Nerds often have a strategical and logical view of the world. Ideas are evaluated on the basis of “is the best s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/18 04:34 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?Those are fair points. I was just acknowledging the points about male privilege that I thought were reasonable. It is mostly irrelevant who had more privilege historically because it isn’t fair to punish an unrelated party for something an entirely different person did in an entirely different time. We should focus on making a fair and equitable world today but we shouldn’t use historical privilege as a justification to make policy. The justification for policy should be that this policy will ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/18 04:01 PM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?you still have a lot more women with privilege over a lot more men, despite having a few men with way more privilege than anyone else. That was exactly the point I was trying to make. Society views privilege as "net privilege", men (as an entire group) have something that women don't and that is all that matters. They don't consider that the average man receives no benefit from many of the privileges. It is usually framed as every man benefits from privilege just because he is a man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/18 12:23 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?Imagine 100 men with the following net worth: 1 man has 100M, the rest have an average of 10k each. Then imagine 100 women with the following net worth: 1 woman has 1M, the rest have an average of 15k each. Men in total have a higher net worth than women. However, the average man has less net worth than the average woman. Because the most net worth (analogous to the benefits of privilege) benefit a man the entire net worth is considered male privilege. The point is when women talk about privileg… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 11:17 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?Also remember that the 'average' person isn't really young, and even young 'average' people are going to get older. I picked a young example to highlight the fact that certain privileges that were available to older generations will never be available to anyone born after the older generation. You really think the average millennial woman can make money on YouTube or Instagram? If she picks her audience well the average women can make money. This is especially true in nerd culture where women th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 11:06 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?Women were not allowed to vote or have jobs at many points in history. It is obvious men had more privilege then. It is also obvious that today's top males have received a lot of benefits from privilege. What I wanted to talk about is if the average man still has more privilege than the average women in light of recent societal changes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 01:22 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?Your claims about videogames, male validation, and more are full of your assumptions on what it's like to be an AVERAGE woman. Where did you get that random number, 100k? Are you simply being hyperbolic? You seem to switch back and forth between literal and exaggerated claims, none of which are universally true or even true for most women. The videogames example is observational. Men with nerdy hobbies put the average women on a much higher pedestal than most of society. It is commonly accepted … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 01:16 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?The top 1% of males have way more privilege than anyone else in society. They can set laws and have enormous amounts of wealth that they can use to influence a number of outcomes. They use to their privilege to benefits themselves, not to benefit females, and not to benefit the 99% males. The average male no longer sees many benefits from his privilege. Hiring and wage policy no longer gives him an advantage if he is entering the workforce today. His strength doesn’t provide benefits because law… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 01:00 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?None of the OP's examples are "privileges". Privilege is to have easier time getting a high-paid job Monetizing social media can turn into a full time job. It is possible to make more money from YouTube than a typical office job. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 12:50 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?That has to be the most incredibly bizarre way of looking at the world I have ever heard of. So, even though 99% of men have less privilege, that the top 1% have a lot more means that, overall, men, as a group, have more privilege? Are you somehow under the impression that the top 1% has the interests of the other 99% of men at heart? I’m saying the top 1% (arbitrary number) receives most of the benefits from male privilege, while the other 99% does not. The concept of male privilege assumes eve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 04:12 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?no, the hottest women can make money off their looks. same as always. There are opportunities for average women to make money off their looks that aren’t available to average men. Among video game streamers this is happens a lot. A average looking women can have less skill at the game but make more money and get more viewers than a man with similar looks. women don't care about this You don’t care about this but many women enjoy the male validation. if he's acting like a whiny jerk, then yeah pe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 03:57 AM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?I’m viewing politics and the SMP as intertwined. For instance, changing the marriage laws is a political issue, but it would cause changes to the SMP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 03:03 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?Yeah, but the point was that if a woman made a list that was equally bad it would not receive the same warning. The point being that women have more privilege when it comes to discussing gender issues in the mainstream. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 02:55 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?why do you care what feminists say? I care because they are teaching women to view men as terrible people that do nothing but ruin society. While there are bad men out there I feel the way they frame privilege leads them to punish people who have done nothing wrong. The people that go to college are the ones who will help develop the policies and laws of the future. It will impact society negatively if they use that view of men to design policy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 02:30 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?That is the main issue I have with the privilege argument. Even if you don't use or personally benefit from something it is still held against you because someone else in your gender reaps the benefits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 02:22 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?I'm not endorsing the article by any means but if you're curious it is 18 Things Females Seem To Not Understand (Because, Female Privilege) on ThoughtCatalog. When you go in through a search engine it gives you the warning above. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 02:19 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?No I didn't. It is possible for men to have more privilege in total but for the average man to less privilege than the average woman. This is because the benefits of male privilege are distributed unevenly to the top. It is like how a society can be richer than another society in total but the average citizen in the richer society can be poorer than the average citizen in another country. That is because the wealth of the rich society is concentrated in the hands of a few individuals and not eve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 02:12 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?the average man can list grievances with women without being called feminazi One of the top search results listing examples of female privilege literally says, "The article you are trying to read has been reported by the community as hateful or abusive content." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 02:08 AM |
| 4 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?Exactly, I agree. People can admit male privilege exists but when it comes to female privilege it is much more common for people to deny that it can even exist. When I was researching this post one of the top search results says, "Does female privilege exist? Short answer: no." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 02:05 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?Having looks that can be used for personal monetary gain is a privilege available to the average woman. Men also have privileges. My point is privilege is an absurd concept because as your comment shows anytime you highlight a legitimate privilege it is just downplayed or denied by the person who holds it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 01:57 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?A privilege is an advantage available only to a particular person or group of people. Since male privilege is about advantages you get for being born a male I would think the advantages you get from being born female would also be considered privileges. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 01:49 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?I feel like the concept of male privilege is often used to invalidate legitimate concerns that men express in the mainstream. The way the privilege argument is used prevents certain SMP issues from being addressed constructively by the mainstream. Some of the SMP issues can’t be properly addressed unless people can move past the privilege way of thinking. I was making the point that the US is going in a direction where male privilege is diminishing and it may reach a point where the average man … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 01:41 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?Someone who is average at one point in time can easily fall onto hard times later in life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 01:25 AM |
| 1 | Q4Men (RP and PP): – Male co-worker asks for dating advice, do you…I intentionally left it open to the reader's interpretation. You can make his question be anything you want and you can also assume any facts about him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/18 12:50 AM |
| 1 | Q4Men (RP and PP): – Male co-worker asks for dating advice, do you…It is a purely hypothetical scenario, you can make his question be anything you want. If you want here are 2 examples: He is single and having a hard time approaching women IRL. He is in a marriage with deadbedroom problems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/18 12:46 AM |
| 1 | Imagine the generation of men born in the 2020s. What will their lives be like?Society is overwhelmingly Blue Pilled because society was built upon Blue Pill concepts. Society will NEVER BE RED PILLED because the Red Pill is not conducive to maintaining a society. Therefore, it is in the system's best interests to keep everyone Blue Pilled. I agree TRP does not lead to a cohesively functioning society. It is in system’s best interest to keep everyone Blue Pilled. Here’s the problem though people don’t act in the system’s best interest, they act in their own best interest. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/18 03:44 AM |
| 8 | Q4W: Why are you on redpill/manosphere?I'm a man but I've heard of women that read TRP so they can formulate a "Defense Against the Dark Arts". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/18 03:16 AM |
| 1 | Are women actively and consciously supporting anti-male policies in society?In general people act in their own self-interest. They just pursue things that benefit themselves and are apathetic about how it impacts other people and often don’t even bother to consider how something impacts other people. Society just doesn’t provide much incentive for them to think or care about the troubles that other people face. Unless someone is part of your family, or a friend, whatever happens to them is a non-issue to you. Therefore, decisions are based on what is in it for me becaus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/18 12:59 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Do you have any predictions for the SMP of the future?I didn't specify, you can make a prediction for any point in the future. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/18 12:24 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Do you have any predictions for the SMP of the future?I totally agree, you said what I was thinking but you phrased it much better. If you look at the growth of groups that go against the mainstream/BP it demonstrates that there is at least some truth to what they have to say. I think the catalyst that will uncover the truths is when society tries to legitimately research why men are having so many issues in society today. I think Canada has started funding this type of research at the university level. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/18 12:20 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Has the SMP increased in difficulty over time, or is it just perception?Who's claiming it's harder for a woman in her 30's now? What I'm trying to get at is did the reality of the SMP change given a specific scenario, or are we just perceiving it changed because we have more information available. If you see her position as easier or unchanged over time is that due to reality or has your perception changed due to having more information? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/18 11:30 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Is it maturity that makes older women look for beta providers instead of alphas or lack of options? Or maybe something else?It is a combination of both factors. Consider someone looking for a job: they have to pick from the jobs that will hire them. However, as they spend time in the workforce the type of jobs that they want can change (such as more concern about work/life balance). The lack of options is an interesting aspect to explore. In recent times the amount of 30+ men willing to marry a woman the same age has decreased. Here’s why: The internet has highlighted the AFBB strategy and the men who were mostly ign… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/18 08:35 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: U.S. Mass Shootings and expectations of masculinity in the dating marketplace.That is a glaring contradiction from what you previously said. You said the Army was a helpful environment where men can be masculine. Then in this comment you are suggesting bringing more women into that environment, which would make the environment much less masculine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/18 06:50 PM |
| 3 | Discussion: U.S. Mass Shootings and expectations of masculinity in the dating marketplace.There's enough space for allow masculine traits to flourish. They're called the Army The army creates more problem for men than it solves. It creates mentally and physically wounded people who have a hard time reintegrating in normal society due to issues such as PTSD. Secondly, women also serve in the armed forces and that has made the culture somewhat more politically correct. There is discipline for being too masculine in front of the female members. Finally, the army stresses rule-following … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/18 04:08 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: U.S. Mass Shootings and expectations of masculinity in the dating marketplace.What needs to happen is allowing space for masculine traits to flourish Yes, totally agree. Men need places where it is acceptable to be masculine. However, I think the solution is much more nuanced than masculinity is good 100% of the time. The masculine traits can go too far (especially outside of dating) when they manifest themselves in violent and ultra-competitive ways. There is a saying about how a woman can be a lady in the streets but a real freak in the bed. Men need to do something sim… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/18 04:57 AM |
| 1 | The butterfly effect on bad adviceSure, it was more a like "preponderance of evidence" than "beyond a reasonable doubt". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/18 03:22 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: U.S. Mass Shootings and expectations of masculinity in the dating marketplace.The reason this has become a problem recently is because there used to be more “boy’s only clubs” where boys and men could vent and act in a masculine way. Societal pressure has eliminated many of these outlets because they aren’t considered politically correct. The things that are gone or declining include: going to an office where men could act more masculine, having social clubs that were not open to females, or having a strong father figure to teach you the importance of masculine traits. To… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/18 03:11 AM |
| 1 | The butterfly effect on bad adviceIf a woman has a low n-count it has been my experience she will bring it up casually and indirectly because she is proud of it or because she is self-conscious about it. For instance, I was on a date and a woman asked me if I used online dating. I answered, then asked her if she tried online dating before and she said no, explained why, then went on to explain why her only dating experience was a few LTRs in college. Her answer was congruent with her personality and other information that I knew… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/18 10:57 PM |
| 2 | The butterfly effect on bad adviceThis helps people who want help but are too ashamed to seek it out, but it would do nothing to help the incels who actively despise the very idea they even can be helped and instead cling to their victim complex. True, but since it is a high school class it might be able to reach them before they adopt the incel way of thinking. I highly doubt this would have very much effect on high school kids at all. They've been trying to teach idiot teenagers to have empathy for a while now usually as part … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 11:51 PM |
| 1 | The butterfly effect on bad adviceIt is blazingly obvious to an outside observer, but not necessarily to the person facing the problem. Sometimes people just need a small push or reinforcement in an area they struggle with. It is obvious you shouldn’t smoke, yet many people still do. That is why society keeps reinforcing that message and provides help to people who smoke. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 11:38 PM |
| 1 | The butterfly effect on bad adviceSo the question is how do you help someone who does not accept help? Even a professional cannot do so. That's where the tricky bit comes in. This is quite a challenge but I think the answer is to create an environment where there is no stigma for asking for help. You have to remove the barriers for asking for help then put the person in a situation where they would ask for help. I think there might be a way to do this at high school by having a class about Empathy, Human Nature, and Critical Thi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 11:29 PM |
| 1 | The butterfly effect on bad adviceThis post wasn’t a justification for people to hide behind excuses. It was to show that just a small amount of help at a young age can have a profound impact. Instead of letting people just figure it out society should make an effort to reach out to the people who are frustrated they can’t find the solution. All the awkward guy might need is a small push in the right direction – relevant and specific advice to improve social skills and confidence. In your story the ADHD meds are the butterfly ef… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 01:14 PM |
| 1 | The butterfly effect on bad adviceIt's called going to high school and dealing with others. When a situation is hard and confusing that does not equate to all people will find a solution to their problems. Some people will just get frustrated that they can not figure out the solution. The point of the post is that we need to teach realistic models to reach the people that needs things explicitly spelled out. In another post I outline such a model for men: You should exercise/lift, learn about nutrition, and eat well. You should … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 01:02 PM |
| 1 | The butterfly effect on bad adviceSorry, my comment was worded like everything in dating is a methodical calculation, but I didn’t mean it that way. I meant that people should adopt a general strategy that will most likely help with their end goal. So, women that want to marry a high value man have a better chance of achieving that if they adopt a lower N count strategy (sex in LTRs only, no ONS/FWB). For men the strategy is to build attractive qualities (lift, social skills, personality, etc.) because that is more likely to ach… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 04:43 AM |
| 1 | The butterfly effect on bad adviceIt is not so much that I care what other people think. I care that the current SMP frustrates many people of both genders. I want to help people understand the realities of the SMP so they don’t set themselves up to fail based on a misunderstanding of how it works. Just because something doesn’t impact me doesn’t mean I’m not concerned about the well-being of others. I don’t personally do illegal drugs but I think society should try to mitigate the damage they cause to other individuals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 04:11 AM |
| 1 | The butterfly effect on bad adviceYes, that is actually a better example. You captured the crux of my argument that bad advice sets people down a path that will most likely fail. Only after they fail do they realize the mistake and it is often too late to fully correct it by then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 04:04 AM |
| 1 | The butterfly effect on bad adviceCorrect, but expected value illustrates the optimal course of action. In a situation without a guaranteed outcome you can evaluate your options based on the weighted average value of the possible outcomes. The correct action is the one that will most likely achieve the outcome you want. Just because chance/luck results in you not getting the desired result doesn’t mean you took the wrong action. It is better to have a plan than it is to act haphazardly and hope for the best. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 03:47 AM |
| 2 | The butterfly effect on bad adviceSure, the entire series of events is more than “small”, but the entire chain can be started by a tiny detail. Examples: A hashtag that goes viral started with a single post. A new year’s resolution leads someone to sign up for the gym, ultimately leading to an entirely different body. A small piece of advice changes the entire course of someone’s life (e.g. a parent talked you into going to a specific college, or trying a hobby, etc.). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 03:38 AM |
| 1 | The butterfly effect on bad advicePeople like to drink and do drugs because of the positive feelings it generates. However, as a society we warn them of the negative effects of overuse. If they choose to use alcohol or drugs they know the potential consequences of that choice before they make it. With high N count the negative effects of overdoing it aren’t always obvious at first because society has this message of you can have it all. The message is you can do whatever you want when you are young and pretty, there will be plen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 03:14 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Older women are generally higher value than older men.Sure, that's one way to look at it. A man can go AF or BB, but a woman typically just has looks + personality. Therefore, a 40+ man has a new strategy (BB) when looks fade that his female counterpart doesn't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 03:02 AM |
| 1 | The butterfly effect on bad adviceThanks. I was making an indirect point that advice and events in a young women’s life can have an influence on how her life turns out. The solution to the “where have all the good men gone” problem is to teach the realities of the SMP at a young age so if she wants a good man she knows what behaviors will attract one and how to strategize correctly in her early 20’s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 02:55 AM |
| 1 | The butterfly effect on bad adviceThe point was that a small event at a young age started her down a path that ultimately led to the high N count. Society feeds young women messages that they can do whatever they want with basically no consequence. Eventually, they realize that there were consequences but it is too late to go back and change earlier decisions they made. If society gave young women the message that most men consider high N count bad for relationships then perhaps she would have behaved differently (no casual sex,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 02:45 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Older women are generally higher value than older men.The club is not typically where high value 40+ men hang out because that is not an environment where they can showcase their value. The 40+ man’s value comes from accumulating status, experience, and wealth in the real world. His value is much easier to see when he is in an environment that relates to his business or his hobbies. The 40+ man can leverage his value to attract women in their 30’s, especially in environment where his status is showcased (such as the cliché about a man marrying a se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 02:32 AM |
| 1 | It seems to me like plating is just an excuse for men who can't manage being reasonably alpha 24/7To expand on some of the other comments, societal pressures have changed in a way that reduced the benefits of LTRs and some men choose other options in light of these changes. Specific societal changes that reduced the value of LTRs: Society used to do much more to encourage women to stay in LTRs instead of looking for better options (there was less of a “Leave him over some minor issue, you deserve better attitude”) Marriage/LTRs used to offer much more cachet to a man’s standing in society. L… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/18 02:00 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Becoming a doctor is not a slam dunk for your dating lifeIn society the general narrative is that men should become successful in their careers and that is what attracts women. OP just had a more specific view of that same concept. Obviously, there is much more to attraction than just having a career/money. When men lack attraction in those other areas (personality, looks, etc.) then those men eventually come to the realization that they were misled by the mainstream narrative. Usually they don't come to that realization until after they've started a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/18 12:03 AM |
| 1 | Why people choose TRP, and how you can change thatNo, I’m saying TRP and a new brand should exist independently. TRP is for people in the anger phase. The new brand is a way to legitimize TRP essentials to the mainstream. This opens up new audiences such as academic researchers and men who want an IRL support group without the social stigma of being associated with TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/18 01:20 PM |
| 5 | The Grey Area and CongruenceThe toolbox analogy is a great way to summarize the grey area concept you mention. tRP information is a set of tools and it is up to the user to determine which tool (advice) to use in each situation. A hammer isn’t the right tool for cutting wood, but that doesn’t mean the hammer is a useless tool in all situations. tRP concepts are not black and white, they highlight situational realties, judgment needs to be applied to determine when that concept in relevant to the user’s specific situation. … | /r/TheRedPill | 18/02/18 10:47 PM |
| 2 | Are women physically and sexually attracted to men based on socioeconomic statusMen are evaluated by women based on a variety of factors, including personality, as you mentioned. Each woman values each individual factor subjectively and evaluates men as a complete package. Some women place huge importance on individual SES traits while others do not. Think of each factor on a 1-10 scale, then each woman has a subjective rating of each factor (including a minimum value and how much attraction that specific factor generates). A woman evaluates the attractiveness of her option… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/18 03:58 AM |
| 1 | How much does going to the gym improve male attractiveness?The attractiveness payoff is proportional to the effort you put into it. Effort isn’t solely a function of time spent either, it means developing smart habits to optimize the gains in attractiveness. What you do at the gym will determine what happens to your body (like building muscle in visually attractive places, getting 6-pack abs, building a balanced body – so no chicken legs, etc.). Additionally, having a routine of how often you go and being mindful of nutrition is also a huge determinant … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/18 03:54 PM |
| 1 | Why people choose TRP, and how you can change thatBrand may have been a poor choice of words but I wanted to emphasize the image problem with TRP. TRP says they don’t care what society thinks, but that’s not true. If that was true they wouldn’t be afraid to discuss TRP IRL, or online when their identity was linked to their words. I think there is a benefit to the core TRP concepts being seen as a legitimate field of study, but the image problem is preventing that from happening. That is why I think the essence of the core concepts need to be pa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/18 11:53 PM |
| 1 | Why people choose TRP, and how you can change thatThere is a group of men that don’t like either message and want a 3rd alternative. I’m proposing that the 3rd alterative should be: Here are workable solutions to your dating problems. They are non-controversial and can be discussed and practiced freely in society. We don’t waste time complaining about being lied to, or society not working how we want it to. We’re just here to solve our dating problems so we can move on with our lives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/18 11:40 PM |
| 1 | Why people choose TRP, and how you can change thatAltruism - the belief of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others. People with that belief should want to create a better model because it would help solve a societal problem. People volunteer to help with causes that don’t personally impact them for that reason. Additionally, a new model presents opportunities for monetary gain. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/18 11:02 PM |
| 1 | Why people choose TRP, and how you can change thatThis is exactly my point. TRP was a good branding initially as it made the person who found it feel like they had secret information that gave them an advantage. Once TRP spread it became a target in politically correct society. So, my proposal is that the core concepts should be extracted and rebranded as conventional advice. TRP would stay exactly as is but a new brand would be created for the mainstream. The new brand needs a new name that has no connection to TRP. I don’t have a good suggest… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/18 05:46 AM |
| 1 | Why people choose TRP, and how you can change thatThose were just some quick examples, the point was the essence of the core TRP concepts can be presented in a “normal” way. The intro to the list of advice would be about how men should come up with dating goals that they personally want and are in alignment with their other life goals. This could be looking for ONS, relationships, open relationships, marriage, etc. Then the advice is presented in the context of making them more attractive to females to increase their chances of success at whate… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/18 05:39 AM |
| 1 | Why people choose TRP, and how you can change thatNone of those points are necessary to be successful in dating so the new brand would not include them. The point of the new brand is to get rid of controversial parts if they are unnecessary, or to present the relevant essence of the concept in a non-controversial way. That being said points 2 and 4 could be conveyed in a way less controversial way. It is possible for both men and women to cheat. Therefore, the best thing a man can do it maintain his attractive habits and lifestyle throughout th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/18 05:17 AM |
| 1 | Why people choose TRP, and how you can change thatThat is a good breakdown, I hadn’t thought of it in those terms before. I accept that TRP is needed but I still think it would be nice to have a mainstream acceptable model that you could transition to and openly discuss after you’ve completed the 5 stages. I think this also shows that there could be tremendous potential with a new model. The reason for the anger stage is that they were taught the wrong things. This stage could be avoided if there was an accurate mainstream model that we could t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/18 03:02 AM |
| 1 | Why people choose TRP, and how you can change thatYeah, that makes sense. I just wish it was possible to discuss TRP concepts IRL without fear of repercussion. I’d totally like to be part of a Meetup group or college class where TRP could be discussed and debated. In today’s world there is too much risk of professional backlash to make that possible. The backlash can come just because people don’t fully understand your very nuanced positions (for example, I’m trying to understand more about how the world works. I don’t hate women and I don’t re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/18 02:52 AM |
| 1 | Why people choose TRP, and how you can change thatMy impression of TRP is that it actually uses the short-sighted goals as a stepping stone to realizing their potential as humans. Basically, the progression is you came to TRP to fix your problems with women and we will help you do that. However, having goals and interests other than women will help you get women by making you more attractive. Furthermore, once you reach your goals with women you will often realize that your life is still incomplete and that is used to transition them to spiritu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/18 02:17 AM |
| 1 | Why people choose TRP, and how you can change thatHaving a place to vent frustrations definitely has value to someone in their position and I see how there needs to be some outlet for that frustration. However, I think an ideal pill needs to focus much less on that. Not only does the expression of frustration create resentment from outsiders, but it actually creates a more practical problem: some TRP get stuck on that phase and see it as a place to complain instead of taking action. Here is another way to think about it. Imagine you are having … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/18 02:04 AM |
| 1 | Why people choose TRP, and how you can change thatI totally agree – men need a group to belong to that will support them. I’m saying you would be able to create a much bigger group if you could create a group people could talk about without being ashamed of how it is viewed by others. Like people that go to Toastmasters or even a group like Alcoholics Anonymous. TRP core concepts could be spread much further and faster by repackaging them in a socially acceptable way. The harshness could definitely be part of the new model with a mantra about n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/18 01:43 AM |
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