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I dunno, I think you need to already be a cool and fun dude for drugs to make you even cooler and more fun. I'd probably the kind of rock star who gets fucked up on heroin alone in his hotel room.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 12:33 PM
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Damn, that's a tough one. I'd undoubtfully live a more worthwhile life as a rock star and it'd be a lot more fun too. I just cannot see myself enjoying it unless a lot more about me would change as well. I'd need to be a completely different person to enjoy all the drugs, fame and pussy. So as is, I'd probably enjoy living out my current miserable life to its natural end.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 12:02 PM
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Most men end up on the red pill because they had little success with women. From what I've seen, a lot of them don't really seem to improve their success-rate. So I think red pillers are naturally less successful than blue pillers. A lot more blue pillers are average or above-average guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 05:50 AM
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I've actually found that alpha men are more willing to make other people the butt of a joke. Maybe it's just that they can get away with it but alpha guys often joke about others in a way that's not just your typical roasting. It displays their dominance and status in the group. I'm personally considered to be pretty funny by my friends and a lot of my humor is a combination of roasting others/myself. It hasn't helped with women in any way. Women often claim to find humor one of the most importa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 05:44 AM
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The lonelier the better. Mid-twenties, black pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/17 07:39 PM
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Having any friends at all is a huge red flag. Indicates that we're not going to be compatible at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/17 07:38 PM
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I didn't say devaluing others is the only way to raise your value. Just one of the ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 04:29 PM
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Devaluing women/your partner can raise your value in return. It's a way of fighting the inherent power imbalance in relationships and easing the mind. I'm not much of a red piller or a relationship-haver so I have no idea if it's worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 04:05 PM
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Some men have a tendency to get hung up on specific women. They naively believe in "true love", the one or love on first sight. "She's not yours, it's just your turn" helps dispell those ideas. Plus, it's a way of reminding yourself of the way of the world. It helps reinforce the notion that women always have the upper hand when it comes to dating. Men compete for women. So when a man "wins" and gets a relationship it's best not to feel like a winner for too long. Because somebody else will be m…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:15 PM
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I'm not attracted to anything that goes against my belief system but in terms of personal tastes that go against conventional standards: I'm attracted to overweight and some obese women I'm attracted to short hair, even buzz cuts I'm attracted to very dark skin and natural afro hair I'm attracted to assertive, confident and outspoken women Maybe I do have some turn-ons that go against my belief system because while I'm very family-oriented I can't help but relate and be attracted to lonely women…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 12:02 AM
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Is pedophilia only about being attracted to childlike bodies? If so, then he isn't a pedophile (but he would still be a rapist and child molester). Also, if pedophilia is only about being attracted to childlike bodies you could argue that people whacking off to Piper Perri are also borderline pedophiles. If pedophilia is about more than just looks, if it's also about a desire to have sex with someone with a child mind then the man would still be a pedophile. I honestly don't think it really matt…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 05:41 PM
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No. I can get a hard-on from drawings of women but somehow it's strange when I get turned on by a person who looks exactly like a hot chick but was born a man? What kind of dumbass fucking logic is that? Anyway, if wanting to go to town on Bailey Jay's ass makes me gay then wrap me in a rainbow flag and call me fabulous because goddammit I'm gay as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 05:03 PM
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Kinda weird to see the term involuntary celibacy be used by actual scientists. Anyway, it seems obvious to me that being "involuntary celibate" is the result of missing out early and having those missed experiences build on one another until the prospect of ever having that first kiss or first date becomes inconceivable. It's also why there's such shame involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:59 PM
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Yeah, the people she meets are definitely not living very easy lives but it's always incredibly interesting. A family who lives in a boat on the arctic, people herding sheep on the Faroe Islands, people living in the middle of nowhere Australia, that kind of thing. Travelling around and meeting people like that for a job sounds like a dream come true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:50 PM
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Haven't been to Budapest yet but I have visited Prague. I wouldn't know about the women or the beer but the architecture was definitely very beautiful. But both places are a bit too landlocked for me. I prefer living close to a coast. And being multicultural is always a plus. Prague and Budapest are too white for me. There's this Dutch woman whose job it basically is to travel around the globe and visit people living in the most remote areas of the planet. Now that sounds like a great life to me…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 02:23 PM
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I'd rather get paid to travel the world. But porn star seems like a pretty sweet gig too. I'd love to live in LA, Vegas or Miami. And who wouldn't enjoy making money by fucking beautiful women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 01:26 PM
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No. It's like taking the life of the most stereotypically successful jock and pretending it represents what life's like for all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 02:52 PM
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My only red flag is if she's actually interested back. Major dealbreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 02:16 PM
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Because they're hypocrites just like everybody else. I think some justify it to themselves by basically going "well they started it".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 12:13 PM
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How are you better off on your own when being with someone in a long-term relationship is one of your most important desires? Most people prefer being in a relationship over being alone and I think there are more than enough success stories all around us that it's worth trying to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 09:17 AM
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You're never going to find another person with whom you'll agree 100% of the time and who wants/needs everything the same as you do or is completely compatible with you. Compromise is always necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 09:15 AM
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Chad is basically men's perfect male. So based on women's reaction to that, their ideal male would be less gay looking and more interested in long-term dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 12:33 PM
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Unless the woman is just terrible at hiding her real feelings or doesn't care enough to hide it, I can't tell. I might have some suspicions, like when the woman is very attractive while the man is ugly or if there's a noticeable age difference but overall I have no idea when a woman is truly in love with her man or when she has settled.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 03:33 PM
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I consider myself to be a low libido person but it's not like I don't want sex. Maybe that means I don't have a low libido after all. What it means to me is that I am never driven by sex. Physically, I could have sex all the time. I am always up for an erection. But sex has never seen like it's worth any effort. Even though I hate my virginity and loneliness I have never desired sex enough to go chase either. So my libido wouldn't really impact a relationship I think but it is one of the reasons…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 05:18 AM
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These are the unchanging aspects of my body. Yes, even the moobs. I had them even when I was slightly underweight. Besides, I watch my diet and go running to stay healthy and lower my fat percentage. I'm also thinking of boxing again. I do those things for myself because I enjoy it. It doesn't matter otherwise. My body looks fit with clothes on. Someone actually thought I had a sixpack already. If I want a body that looks significantly better with clothes on I'll have to put in an insane amount …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 05:09 AM
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Mankind has finally realized that ass is the source of life. Boobs are just a pale imitation and their popularity was simply a short-lived anomaly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 07:36 PM
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Overall I think it's stupid to think someone's political beliefs have anything to do with their sexual tastes. I do think it's rather annoying that people are so much quicker to judge and analyze uncommon male desires (like cuckolding, femdom, humiliation) than they are with rape fantasies and other female kinks/fetishes. I also think some women talk about enthusiastic consent and how to make sure you get it in a way that's completely out of touch with how those same women get turned on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 02:55 PM
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It's a joke. I'm starting to get why people put /joke and /s behind their joke comments now. I always thought my jokes were obvious enough but I guess not. I mean, for all I know some people may actually believe my last name is Barrel.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 02:12 PM
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I only watch porn featuring women directly humiliating and insulting the viewer. That way I even swallow the black pill when I masturbate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 12:05 PM
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Attraction has nothing to do with whether someone is morally good or not and certain traits that are attractive to women (confidence/cockiness, aggressiveness, assertiveness) are very common among selfish and abusive men. So it's only natural that a lot of women have had experiences with abusive partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 05:25 PM
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There isn't just a mega version of anal, there's also a giga version? Jesus, I suspected I didn't know much but I'm even more out of the loop than I thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 05:23 PM
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Attractive men are men with options and having options (i.e. being liked by lots of women) in turn makes you even more attractive. It's not about the possibility of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 05:21 PM
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My username actually doesn't have anything to do with that stuff. My last name is Barrel and I'm the youngest of 4 so my family and I always joked that I sat at the bottom of the barrel. That's why I was born last. It's become a bit of a thing. I'm the only one of my siblings who always goes by our last name and when I get introduced to people it's always "and here's the bottom of the Barrel".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 05:03 PM
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I also have zero ambition. I have zero desires in general, sexual or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 04:03 PM
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Youth undoubtedly plays a bigger role in determining a woman's attractiveness than it does for men Add to that the fact there's a time limit to women's fertility and the wall is kinda real. However, men are so desperate that the consequences of hitting the wall aren't nearly as bad as some men want to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 03:27 PM
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I have zero sex drive and I'm still unhappy. I think it would perhaps help some people, prisoners for example, but on the whole I really don't think it'd make all that much of a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 03:15 PM
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It's on you to make sure the person you're with is on the same page w.r.t. relationships. If you end up with your feelings hurt because you thought it would turn serious that's your own damn fault. Even if he's misleading them it's not that bad. Sure, a bit dickish but the women will get over it. Getting dumped/rejected isn't the end of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 07:45 AM
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Financial abortion doesn't make any sense. I mean, nobody is getting aborted. The only way I could support it is if there was welfare state so big and supportive that the child was not harmed by the "abortion". That isn't the case and I don't see it happen in the near-future either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 07:36 AM
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I'm not concerned with female nature. What people might call female nature to me just means "men are more desperate for women than women are for men. That's why you'll always compete for them instead of the other way around. They'll always have more options and they'll always be able to get better." Honestly, I can live with that knowledge and love women just like I can love men. It just sucks being at the bottom of the hierarchy in a system based on competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 08:07 PM
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I can understand being vulnerable with your wife or the mother of your children but why would anyone be vulnerable with someone they're seeing more casually? Men don't sleep around and keep things casual just to avoid being vulnerable. Lots of men do those things because they enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 04:05 PM
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Most black pillers are whiners, myself included. People have a natural disgust towards people who whine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 02:56 PM
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Damn, this is a great and succinct explanation for why men feel more insecure and are more afraid of getting settled for nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/17 11:00 AM
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I care about the struggles of people other than myself because I'm an empathic person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/17 06:16 AM
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I'm basically a walking square. Wide shoulders, wide hips, short torso, slight moobs. My body is just an ugly mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 09:28 PM
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Nope, I am solidly below average. I'm 5'10 and I'm lighter than 183 pounds (that honestly seems a bit high for average) but my face is really asymmetrical and I have an ugly disproportional build. I'm also still a virgin in my mid-twenties, have yet to get my bachelor's degree and still live at home. Besides, looking at some general average isn't really helpful. You have to compare yourself to your peers to see if you're really average.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 09:13 PM
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I'm with you on most of this but I think having a high SMV and trying to sleep with as many women as possible isn't just about getting validated for out-competing other men. Sleeping with hot women/lots of women is also a need in and of itself. Even the most religious men I know care about the hotness of their partner and have a begrudging respect for men with high N-counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 07:21 PM
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Boredom and loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 03:52 PM
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Chad is the dude your crush has a crush on. It's the guy who can do the things you can't do. It's the guy who beats you at everything you try. Chad's the guy who is just better. Most times, Chad is simply the popular and desirable guy that has no trouble getting laid whenever he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 07:58 AM
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I agree that personality and status are more important than looks but I think having a handsome masculine face and masculine features do also play a large role in being the kind of guy that's easily getting casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 07:55 AM
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I dunno, I know quite a few somalis so I've probably already met a few pirates without even knowing about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 07:01 AM
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Being educated keeps you from having hot buttsex and talking about vulgarly with friends? Sounds to me like wasting a good vocabulary.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 06:59 AM
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That has literally nothing to do with the sentence you quoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 06:57 AM
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Yeah, that's exactly what that eye hole is going to look like when I'm done with it. I really shouldn't be redditing this late.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 11:55 PM
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Depends. Is there still an eye in there? 'Cause I'd skullfuck the shit out of a saucy one-eyed pirate if she was up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 11:52 PM
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Are you really trying to spin a guy being proud of his dick game into something bad? One day it's all "guys don't even care whether the girl is into it, he just wants to get his and that's it. No wonder girls don't just jump into bed" and the next day it's "guys get validated when the girl they're with is really into it. So weird and needy". Sex is a performance for men. No shit guys are proud when the girl is really into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 11:48 PM
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How is it dehumanizing? Humans got assholes and sometimes you just wanna pound that shit. Nothing weird or derogatory about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 11:40 PM
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For most men, getting a girl to come back to your place and have sex with you is quite the accomplishment. It's seen as a win. You've conquered something. No man is going to say a ONS was one thing leading to another because that shit didn't just happen. He made that happen and he's proud of it. So it's no surprise that he talks about it like a conqueror talking about his prize. Besides, talking about pounding ass and pulling hair is hot. I don't see what's wrong with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 11:08 PM
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Men have a much larger variety of tastes and are more desperate than women but looks are still more important for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 07:31 PM
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Getting sex has gotten insanely easier for a lot of men, especially the hottest ones, but is still very hard to get for those below average and at the bottom. All that's changed is that the disparity has grown and has become more apparent. And like with all apparent inequality this has lead to a rise in anger among the have-nots.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 07:30 PM
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Of course it is. Women can go online and order dick like it's pizza.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 07:23 PM
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Why the fuck does it have a bunch of billiard balls on there instead of an elephant? Anyway, no I don't think women find this sexy. The body is good I guess but a body alone is not enough for women, especially not one just posing and overly groomed like this. An objectified body like this is appealing to men, not to women. If you want to arouse women you're probably better off showing pictures of attractive men actively doing something masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 07:22 PM
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Eh, I think a lot of guys claim to be oblivious or to have missed advances when they actually just don't get flirted with all that often/ever. Women aren't that subtle.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 05:12 PM
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Women flirting is more often about creating opportunities for the man to flirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 03:37 PM
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I'm always surprised when I see straight men complain about this or about not getting enough compliments. It's seen as incredibly unattractive and pathetic when men express a desire to be objectified. As a straight man, you have to come to terms with the fact that the male body is rarely sexualized by straight women and when it is, it's usually only a select few male physiques. You also have to accept that women don't just want you. They want you wanting them. You are always the subject and neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 03:15 PM
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I'd probably take famous fictional people and try to model the androids on that. I don't think perfection is really a thing with people so it's best to just let people go "I'd love to date X from book/movie/game Y" and go from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 01:01 PM
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It's the enthusiastic consent part that's actually most important. The disgust and criticism come from the fact that a lot of people feel like sex is something that should happen between people who actually really want to do each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 12:59 PM
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Most men who go see prostitutes are middle-aged and pretty successful. A lot of them are actually married. They don't need or want empathy or sympathy because they're not doing anything sad or pathetic. The whole "I pay them to leave" thing. The men who go see prostitutes because they can't get sex any other way are paying for something the vast majority can get for free. Hell, a lot of people can get it free and with the enthusiastic consent of the person giving it. So they can't relate at all.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 12:44 PM
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Women could share the same few top men and at the same time share the housework and childcare with the other wives. Women would be able to have their ideal man but also have a career and more free time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 11:21 AM
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It's possible to have wishes that can't be granted. Yes, men complain about women's standards but that doesn't mean getting settled for suddenly answers their complaints. It's possible to still be unsatisfied even if getting settled for is the best you can get, And yes, let. What's so weird about that? If all you can get is a relationship where you get settled for then you are still letting it happen by agreeing to the relationship. You can avoid it by not dating at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 02:12 PM
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When those men complain they're wishing for a hypothetical alternative universe where women didn't have such high standards and felt sexual attraction for a larger amount of men. They are not wishing to get settled for. Some men might still let women begrudgingly go out with them because they're just that desperate but that's unrelated to their complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 12:39 PM
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I don't think this is true in all cases but it is at least true when it comes to being a man in today's world. I also don't think losers "often" become winners and winners "easily" become losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 06:04 AM
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You can complain about things while accepting the fact that they cannot be changed. When men complain about women's standards they wish those standards were never that high in the first place, they're not actually hoping for women to begrudgingly go out with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 05:33 AM
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Getting settled for is a big fear of mine and an important reason for why I'm not even trying to date. If I found myself in a situation where I was settled for I'd leave immediately. I'd obviously be very hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 05:28 AM
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He was a white supremacist and there are a few of those over on TRP and the rest of the manosphere. I'm not sure that means we can now associate red pillers with this fucked up nutjob tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/17 09:04 PM
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I've been around kids. What, they keep kids separated from adults where you live or something? I've got nieces and nephews, have helped my mom who works at a preschool, that sorta thing. Kids love me. Gimme 10 minutes and I'm their favorite uncle.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/17 09:03 PM
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I dunno, I'm not the one making up the stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/17 05:18 PM
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I love reading and writing. I also prefer fiction over non-fiction. I am very empathetic. I am great with kids. I am usually not very competitive. I don't really care about cars or sports.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/17 04:06 PM
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Not many. This is that bullshit along the lines of "the only reason you got hurt by a woman is 'cause RP-techniques attract insecure/shitty women". It's tantamount to victim-blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/17 07:12 AM
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So your husband doesn't show any interest in the hobby that has you doing all kinds of sexy poses in tight clothes but he does show interest in your knitting...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 09:20 PM
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Why the hell would you be proud of not being able to cook for yourself and cleaning your own shit? Your husband isn't supporting your feminine hobbies, he's just happy you've finally become an adult. No, men do not find traditional female hobbies or skills like sewing or knitting especially attractive. He's just happy you're doing new stuff and being supportive. If you had been knitting your whole life and just know started lifting weights he'd be more supportive of your fitness too, just becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 09:05 PM
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What a nice pretty girl, of course I don't mind if you don't want to hang out You goddamn fucking whore, how dare you reject me! Fucking bitch Whew, I don't know what got over me. Who knew a simple top had that much power over my feeble male brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 08:54 PM
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Women wear makeup to look good because who the hell doesn't like to look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 05:32 PM
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There are plenty of things I'm inept at and I'm cool with that too. I don't think that for me personally there's all that much to gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 04:21 PM
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I think that's generally been true but it's changing now that women are getting as career-oriented as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 04:10 PM
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I'm cool with being a man without game.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 04:06 PM
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Sounds like it wouldn't be worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 03:08 PM
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Game is largely something you just have. It cannot be taught. And no, I obviously don't have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 02:04 PM
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It's true. Male sexuality is often demonized. It gets called desperate or egotistical. Men get accused of only caring about their own pleasure. Men get called fuckboys for just wanting to keep things casual. Anything to paint male desire and sexual behaviour in a bad light. There's a thread on r/askreddit about the difference between gay and straight dating. All those comments about dating as a gay man show just how wonderful male sexuality really is. Sounds like the dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 07:54 AM
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If you're unattractive it's generally a good idea to not approach/flirt with women because it'll be unwanted. Keep touching to a minimum too, people usually get uncomfortable when they get touched by an unattractive person. The whole "look-and-smile" routine also isn't for you unless you like getting a grimace in return. And yeah, obviously hookups, threesomes and orgies are completely out of the question. The only thing you can really do is keep trying until some woman settles for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 07:27 AM
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I honestly don't get why you'd think anyone would care. Unless you're in a relationship with them a person's sex drive is of no interest whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 07:07 AM
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Morality got nothing to do with having kids. I think most people want to leave something lasting in this world and a family is the easiest way of going about that. It's not an extension of the self but it does represent a legacy. It takes sacrifices but then again, I think living for yourself gets old quick. I think a lot of childless people are unprepared for just how long life can feel when you're only trying to please yourself. If I'm ever ready to be a husband and a dad I'll definitely have …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 06:54 PM
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This is one area where I have a hard time believing the women saying they're turned off. Success with other women almost always makes a man more attractive, not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 03:02 PM
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It's different for every couple. Some women agree to open relationships because they know they can't keep their high quality man from fucking other women anyway. In other cases, the woman gets to fuck other men and the guy is not really fucking anyone. It all depends on the value of the people involved. Because women on average have more value than men I think women are likelier to benefit from polyamory.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 06:49 AM
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Happened to me in middle school. I was pretty quick to realize it though. One of my younger brothers is in a bit of a friendzone situation. I told him as much. He doesn't listen but then again, dating is a lot more complicated for him on account of a cognitive impairment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 07:10 PM
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As someone who goes to a very white university, I can assure you that being a minority can really suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 07:06 PM
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Whatever helps you sleep at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 05:32 PM
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So you think western civilization and western ideas are superior and you think white people are best at living that superior civilization and those superior ideas. How the hell is that not white supremacy. And let's not pretend you don't believe those things are a part of your identity as well, Ashkenazi jew or not. Technicalities about ethnicity have never stopped a lot of white-passing Jews from claiming to be part of "western" civilization. White supremacy isn't some made up bullshit you have…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 05:29 PM
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You're really going to pretend that you're not a white supremacist? Come on, at least have the balls to stand for what you believe in. I mean, nevermind the fact that I've seen you call white women who date black men "mud sharks" and the fact that you've felt the need to let us know that you only find white men attractive. You clearly believe that white people are the magical Goldilocks pick of humanity who have the best mix of traits and are on the best places on whatever spectrums you want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 04:12 PM
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Because execution squads are a favourite topic of discussion for leftist everywhere. Also, that talk of racial and ethnic differences doesn't happen in some vacuum. It happens in a world where people of certain races and ethnicities get targeted by the authorities and are disproportionally hurt by policies on policing, incarceration, poverty, foreign intervention, ghettoization and voter disenfranchisement. Does it honestly fascinate you that being a white supremacist makes you evil in the eyes …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 08:36 AM
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Most women have no idea what being strong or weak actually means. It's just words they use to rationalise their attraction. Most women think strength is aggression, that strength is bluster, that strength is violence, that strength is being a loudmouth, that strength is being egotistical, that strength is being domineering. You're just lying to yourself if you think abusive men are actually "weak". No, those men fit most women's definition of strength alright. You can't suddenly pretend that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 07:32 AM
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Aren't you a Jewish lawyer or something? Sounds like you did exactly what you were told. I agree that people who aren't afraid to carve out a pad of their own are more likely to be successful. I also agree that people who whine aren't likely to be successful no matter what gets thrown into their lap. But the narratives we're told growing up definitely play a huge role in where we end up in life. Criticizing those narratives is not whining or crying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 09:56 PM
1

No, the women are the jelly. The guys are just mad that a lot of people love themselves some nice thick jiggly jelly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 07:20 AM
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Some people get salty seeing fat women who can still easily get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 06:13 AM
7

The only thing being friends with women will do for you is potentially get you into contact with more women. If you're unattractive that might mean a higher chance of finally meeting a woman who thinks you'll do. It has nothing to do with being normal or abnormal or anything. Plenty of attractive men have few or no female friends but still date successfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/17 02:30 PM
1

Obviously. But they're wrong about that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/17 02:24 PM
3

Who goes around looking at strangers while smiling and nodding? That's like breaking the first rule of big city living: "we all pretend the other people aren't there".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/17 12:02 PM
1

Because they're wrong. Otherwise, they obviously wouldn't be disagreeing with me. I can't help myself, I just get harsh when I let people know that they're wrong and they don't have to common decency to change their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/17 09:39 AM
1

You can still judge the act of cheating. I just dislike the whole once a cheater, always a cheater thing. Or the immediate namecalling towards people who've cheated. As if they've done some unspeakable act that only terrible people do instead of the most common reason for breaking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 09:15 PM
1

I treat them like people. That is, I'm generally not an asshole but I'm not above getting harsh with them if I dislike what they're saying or strongly disagree. That said, I keep this black pill shit purely for online.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 08:39 PM
3

How much the CC benefits men is determined by their worth. The top men benefit the most. They get more pussy than the rest of men combined. Above-average men benefit too but not to such an extreme extent. Average men only get a chance on the CC every so often. It doesn't benefit them that much. Below-average men have to get very lucky to try it even once and the bottom men get nothing. So saying "men" benefit from the CC isn't really accurate. And women benefit the most because they get access t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 08:36 PM
1

There are no bad people, just bad actions. And cheating, like most bad actions, can be done by anyone. Wrong place at the wrong time and you suddenly find yourself sleeping with someone else. Thinking of people in terms of cheaters and non-cheaters is childish and naive. Everybody can cheat, that's why it happens so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 08:31 PM
7

That there's such a thing as love at first sight or special connections. That's just lust. That "love" is enough to make a relationship work. That cheating is something only "bad people" do. That getting settled for isn't that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 06:36 PM
2

I'd rather not be born as a human again. Let me be a whale or an elephant or some shit. But if I have to be a human again I'd go for a woman. Become a gold digger or housewife and just live that easy life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 02:13 PM
2

Neither of those things is about being important to anyone but yourself. If anyone goes their own way they should do it for themselves because no one else is going to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 06:44 AM
3

Approaching isn't harassment and many women non-verbally show approval of an approach before it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 07:14 PM
2

I don't think all women are into being dominated but it's certainly one of the most widespread sexual desires among straight women. And I do think most women enjoy feeling "owned" by their partner. I don't see what strippers have to do with it though. Strippers are women you don't own. You don't even rent them. Everything that happens is on their terms and you're little more than a walking wallet to them. Strippers are the dominant person in that equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 06:08 PM
2

I think I'd like it if my partner had other people to share their deepest thoughts and feelings with and with whom they could be vulnerable. It would take a lot of pressure off.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 06:02 PM
4

I sound thirsty because I don't find emotional exclusivity important? We just differ in our values.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 04:56 PM
2

What even is emotional exclusivity? I wouldn't mind a partner sharing their feelings with others or loving others. As long as nothing physical happens I couldn't care less.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 04:51 PM
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Porn is just something you watch when you want to jerk off. It doesn't have to be this complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 04:45 PM
3

Blue pillers and women in general have no reason to sympathize or empathize with low-value men. Our loss is their win so why shouldn't they make fun of us. Besides, the shaming keeps those men who don't have the masculine energy to disregard it at the bottom. In that way, it helps women too. Of course, none of them see it as bad behaviour to mock and ridicule low-value men because those "losers" must always have it coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 04:43 PM
2

Letting fear and anxiety keep them from ever really trying. Or, pushing people away either consciously or unconsciously but pretending to hold out for the one/someone deserving of their love.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 04:38 PM
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You don't have to justify anything to anyone and besides, this kind of misogyny is entirely harmless. I think that for some men, disassociating from women and segregating yourself can be good. You're not harming anyone and just looking out for yourself. You're not doing anything wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 09:00 AM
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Most people do. I don't on account of being an enlightened black pill swallower. Agreed. Disagree. There is no such thing as emotional unengagement. The best you can do is be aware of your emotions so you can better understand why you think what you think. The people who think they're not emotionally engaged but are objective have their heads furthest up their asses and don't even know it. Agree. Agree. Most times it can. How can one not believe in racial diversity? If you mean believe it's good…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 09:42 PM
3

Excuse us for wanting to be humans to the fullest extend around our loved ones instead of always acting as a rock for your insecure emotional whiny asses.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 06:03 PM
2

All women die at 33 as Jesus intended.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 06:00 PM
1

Yes, a lot of red pillers are low-value. Hell, a lot of Redditors are low-value. A disproportionate amount of Redditors are low-value people. That doesn't really impact the content of a lot of TRP though. It does influence the tone and what gets fixated on but a lot of the actual content of TRP has little to do with its users being low-value. Also, you do realize that the idea that women threaten the status and position of low-value men supports RP, right? I know you're eager to mock the "losers…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 05:57 PM
2

Google can do as it sees fit. If they think this guy doesn't fit in their corporate culture they have the right to fire him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 07:31 AM
1

Women have no idea that masculinity is a performance for most men. Not all of it and for some men, it's more of a performance than for others but it's still a performance nonetheless. I think that's where their simplistic view of man's interior life comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 07:28 AM
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Some people just suck. Their "selves" aren't worth being. Because they lack the traits that make a person successful or attractive or popular. And it isn't surprising that these same people don't love themselves. Because some things are just not loveable. Be yourself is useless advice unless you already think you're a great person but have just not been applying yourself right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 07:24 AM
2

Reddit has a disproportionate amount of low-value men. Low-value men tend to have very low standards and be happy with whatever they can get. You probably already know this and this thread is little more than an excuse to mock low-value men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 07:06 PM
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BP= two equal partners who support one another and aren't afraid to be vulnerable. The roles in the relationship are not clearly defined and open to change. RP= a relationship with very clearly defined roles for the man and the woman. Both feel the need to act according to their traditional gender role at all times. The man leads and the woman follows, this is not subject to change. PP= two fence sitters who have absolutely no idea what they want out of life. Still call each other boyfriend and …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 06:20 PM
3

How do men treat strippers? I'm no expert but from what I've seen and heard it isn't really all that attractive. I think men often act awkwardly, thirsty and weird around strippers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 06:11 PM
2

Okay, I just read your TL;DR so it might be that I'll repeat something you've already stated in your post. I honestly think men more often think about what they like instead of thinking about what "they deserve". Now, this is actually a good thing because in reality deserve's got nothing to do with dating. But it's a mentality I completely lack so it always stands out when I see it in other men. For example, David Lynch loves hot young women, both in the real world and in his role as Gordon on T…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:49 AM
3

Don't you only go for the alpha-est of alpha men? That would imply that you do think most men aren't good/alpha enough for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:38 AM
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Nope, but there has to be some baseline respect for the opinion for me to engage with it. A lot of opinions are held purely out of ignorance or prejudice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:19 AM
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Ah, I completely missed the quotation marks around it. I mostly see people use the word asshole in a straightforward manner. It's only online that I see men use the word like Atlas described it. As a word for more successful men who you're envious about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:17 AM
2

You're crazy if you think Melania is hotter than Michelle. Anyway, it's fine if you don't want her. Just means more of that delicious chocolate goodness for me. As soon as I get past the 'Bammers of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 10:08 PM
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Assholes are people who treat others badly. Seems pretty straightforward.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 07:06 PM
3

Michelle Obama post-wall? Well damn, I'll climb that wall any day of the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:58 PM
2

BP officially wins if the Obamas are BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:51 PM
2

Leaving the room is the exact opposite of needing to be coddled. Just cause I don't want to hear some person's shit doesn't mean I want to be coddled or treated like some special snowflake. Complaining about people not wanting to listen to your racist/sexist/transphobic/homophobic/etc bullshit, now that's wanting to be coddled.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:18 PM
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We'll all sit at home and alternate between our VR porn and sexbots.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 04:09 PM
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The assholes women go for are usually confident, aggressive, assertive, domineering and enjoy high status. Those are all attractive traits to women even if they result in negative behaviour. For some women, the negative behaviour might even be a boon.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 01:16 PM
3

That's about right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 01:04 PM
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Brother, it's got absolutely nothing to do with being thin-skinned or with having little faith in my beliefs. It has everything to do with having more productive uses for my time than wasting it on dumbasses who will never change their mind anyway. You think that every time a video comes out of a police officer shooting an unarmed black man my first, second or even 100th reaction is "I better discuss this with my shitty Trump supporting neighbour who supports the police at every turn until it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 12:19 PM
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Because I don't want. I don't want to discuss why my life matters or why my family isn't threatening society with their religion or why gays and lesbians aren't a threat to traditional marriage. I find those ideas offensive and insulting, to begin with, and arguing against them very quickly exhausts me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 11:51 AM
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I really think it depends on what's being brought up. That was my point. American conservatism has some talking points that are straight up "walk out of the room" worthy. The left has that a lot less. Obviously, this is heavily influenced by my own political opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 11:45 AM
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I was responding to the claim that leaving the room makes the left no better than the right. I explained why someone might want to leave the room when someone starts bringing up conservative talking points. And while he didn't talk about the ones I mentioned I still wouldn't be surprised if women and feminist/progressive men left the room as soon as he started talking about women being more anxious or biologically predisposed to people-oriented jobs. Besides, he does mention that he feels conser…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 08:33 AM
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I'm not sure you understand how goddamn tiring it is to get dragged into discussions about things core to your being just because you're a minority. You're fucking right I'll leave the room when people start talking about all lives matter or how Muslims are a dangerous subversive group or how gays and lesbians are threatening traditional values or how Mexicans are bringing crime over the border, etc. It's not the debating strategies that make the left better than the right. It's the things actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 08:17 AM
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Google isn't a state, it's a private company. Besides, the manifesto itself says that what's so stifling about Google is it's culture, not that it actually punishes speech. You shouldn't be surprised when everybody leaves the room as soon as you start talking to about biological gender differences or the idea that ideological diversity is more important than racial/gender/religious diversity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 07:57 AM
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Are you telling me that the nice guy phenomena, whining on the internet w.r.t dating and foreveralone-ness aren't primarily seen as male things? And as has been pointed out in this thread multiple times, the thought that men are the ones who think most women are beneath them is downright comical seeing as that women are the choosier sex by far. We aren't just talking about narcissism here but about a specific belief that is, in fact, more seen in women than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 07:45 AM
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Would you have felt the need to point that out if we were discussing something primarily done by men? Do you talk about "nice girls" existing when people are talking about nice guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:37 AM
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Fuck stupid conservatives and their need to get coddled. I'm not sure if the author is TRP but I'm sure he's a man. I don't know what's going to happen to him but he should probably just leave if Google's "monoculture" is so constricting to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:25 AM
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Why is it that pointing out men do something more often than women is totally fine (whining about being alone, being nice guys, unsolicited sexting, etc.) but when we do the reverse it's suddenly not "a man or woman thing" and it's all about the bad apples and both do it, all that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:20 AM
3

"He doesn't deserve you" and "I deserve better" are both far more likely to be heard from women than from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:18 AM
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LOL as a low-value man I am well-aware that I am alone because I don't deserve to be with most/almost all women. I don't think I have ever thought a woman didn't deserve me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:55 AM
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Well, you gotta meet all those men somewhere right. That indicates a busy social life. Not something I share. Or do you meet men while planting flowers and cooking meals? I was also talking about a person's past. I don't think I could relate to a woman who had a fun past or who is used to being popular and having her shit together.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 08:10 PM
5

Constant companionship. That's something you're unlikely to get through friends and family as an adult. Also, the ability to start your own family.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 05:47 PM
5

They do in all the documentaries I've watched about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 11:39 AM
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No. Chances are she'd be settling for me and besides, our lifestyles would be too different for us too fit together. Even if she was settling I'd resent her for all the fun she had had.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 07:42 AM
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She looks a little like Cara Delevingne and she is a skinny blonde. So I think her SMV is like a solid 7. Her RMV is probably a 6 or so. Nobody's gonna give a shit that she talked a guy into killing himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 07:39 AM
2

For most men a woman who will reliably and consistently have sex with you is a step up from what they're usually getting. It is simply too unrealistic for most men to live the Chad lifestyle so while they might fantasize over it only the delusional ones feel like they're settling when they don't get it. However, It is not unrealistic for women to sleep with Chad, i.e. men more sexually attractive than her bf. She probably has multiple times in her past through hooking up or FwBs. So women pine a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 07:30 AM
2

The manosphere isn't really about men's rights. It is primarily low-value men lamenting their position in the social hierarchy. Also, I don't really get being all vocal with your support for a group you're not a part of. I mean, support that shit silently if you want but leave the actual talking and activism to the people directly involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:59 PM
2

TRP should purely be descriptive. It should be "this is what female sexuality and female behaviour look like". Moral judgments shouldn't even be a part of it. And when it comes to making a high n-count a deal breaker while having one yourself, that isn't hypocritical at all. There is no such thing as hypocritical when it comes to personal preferences. If you have a high n-count but only date women who don't you are not being hypocritical, you're simply winning.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 07:08 AM
2

I don't even get what your point is. Yes, single moms can be in relationships with great and attractive men. Doesn't suddenly mean that being a single mom doesn't make dating significantly harder when compared to childless women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 07:05 AM
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When they crawl out of the TV without even saying anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:58 PM
3

On average, women lean more liberal than men. So if only one gender gets to vote I say let it be the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:57 PM
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Yup. I've got some pretty poor relatives but they will still pull out all the stops and slaughter a small herd of animals just to make sure they can throw a huge wedding lasting for days on end. And a friend of mine is still working off the debt he made trying to get a huge wedding off the ground in Morocco. The bride had like 5 costume changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 02:48 PM
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The whole Bridezilla thing doesn't even really exist in other cultures. In a lot of other cultures, both parties feel obligated to spend huge amounts of money because the families expect it and it's a good way to flaunt your status.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 02:37 PM
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Not any guy they want. Just that they can get a lot of guys without much effort. They might not want any of them but that doesn't mean the offer isn't there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:45 AM
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That quote does not make any sense. If the females in every species of mammal are more powerful that would mean that women throughout history were more powerful than men. That is quite clearly not true. I do think that the fact that pregnancy has become preventable, we have a state that ensuers the protection and well-being of its subjects and we constantly work towards more equality means that women are going to continue to become more powerful, especially in the SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:42 AM
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I think the most obvious example is feminists who claim that feminism is good for men and helps men but who then go on to use emasculating language and shaming tactics and who dismiss or ridicule men's problems. Like, I never expected them to care about men but at least not pretend to care
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 09:38 PM
3

I expect people to understand other viewpoints, at least if they want to be taken seriously, but I don't get expecting others to also care. The only time caring can come up is when the other person pretends to care but shows in their actions that they don't actually care. But even in those cases, I'm annoyed by the hypocrisy, not the lack of caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 09:33 PM
1

I think a voice can be a serious turn on and a serious turn-off. It's pretty important.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 09:30 PM
2

I think any man expects regular and satisfying sex in their relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 09:28 PM
4

God do I hate this argument. If I were attracted to men I would be all over the free sex I could get from gay men. Alas, I'm straight so it isn't appealing to me. Are you saying that straight women are as unattracted to most men as straight men are to gay men?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:48 PM
1

Yeah, that's probably true but I still think there's something validating about getting a woman to have sex with you not long after meeting her and for no other reason than that wants to. Lots of guys might not be all that impressed by that and therefore don't think it's all that satisfying but for low-value men, that kind of thing looks incredibly appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:17 PM
1

For me, the appeal of fucking a lot of different girls would be the constant novelty, the ability to satisfy my attraction towards a large variety of women, the validation of getting someone in bed quickly, the lack of expectations and burdens that come with relationships, the possibility of doing a larger variety of sexual behaviour (after all, if you're with one person they will probably have their own turn offs and kinks). I think that about covers it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:14 PM
3

I think sexual attractiveness is more than just looks but yes, right now I would rather have the one-time validation of my sexual attractiveness through casual sex than a long term and more holistic validation of me as a person through an LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:41 PM
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I don't care whether a woman is doing something for herself, for all men or just for her partner. I'm personally of the belief that people should primarily make personal decisions like working on their looks for themselves, not others. So that's what I respect most.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:47 PM
2

I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 12:18 PM
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I disagree with your statement about casual sex. There are plenty of men who have zero success at getting casual sex but who do have relationships. I think that shows that women value sexually attractiveness a lot more when it comes to casual sex than in relationships. So I think it's more likely that you're getting settled for in a relationship than in an ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 10:12 AM
2

Okay, I can see where you're coming from. I do think Southern countries are often more traditional than Northern countries and that does benefit the sexual market.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 09:21 AM
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You say in the OP that picking up women in Catholic countries was like shooting fish in a barrel. So that would imply that it's the women in Catholic countries who make the difference according to you, not the men. Why would Catholicism make women easier to pick up?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 09:05 AM
4

Unless Catholicism makes women wanna fuck low-value men I don't think the different denominations of Christianity have anything to do with the complaints about the sexual market.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 08:51 AM
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The appeal of casual sex is getting to fuck a lot of different girls. That's the main benefit over an LTR. On top of that, having casual sex usually means being with women who are actively sexually attracted to you while LTRs carry the risk of getting settled for or for the sexual attraction to dwindle over time. Unless I wanted kids I don't see the appeal of an LTR over a series of short term relationships and casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 07:36 AM
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Dude, we're just talking sex, right? I agree that women put a lot of effort into their appearance. I'm just saying that even without that they could get sex through craigslist or Tinder or a host of other avenues. The same goes for gay men. Yes, the gay community can be very superficial at times, with a lot of focus on muscularity or youth, but that doesn't mean it's not also possible to have anonymous sex in public bathrooms or other secluded public spaces. Besides, gay men can also get laid ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 07:32 AM
10

Most women, doesn't matter what they look like, can make a tinder account and get sex easy as pie. That's basically getting it for free. Gay men can go to specific parking spots at night or certain clubs and get some dick without doing much for it. Again, unless you count basic hygiene and the ability to talk (not even really necessary if you're going to be manning a glory hole) as working for it, that shit is basically free. If what you want is sex with men it's easy as fuck to get. Everybody c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:34 AM
1

People are unconsciously influenced by preconceived notions and while those might not change anything about the data it does influence how someone is going to interpret that data. More importantly, it determines in large part what someone is going to look for in the first place. Also, maybe people living in large agricultural based societies instead of primitive tribes are like wolves living in captivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:27 AM
1

As someone who's not all that mentally healthy, I can totally see why dating someone with a mental illness would be incredibly unpleasant. I'd consider it a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 10:08 PM
5

The reason Mech was so quick to observe alphas among wolves was because it felt logical to him for them to be there. Probably because he recognized similar patterns among humans. That is also why the term caught on like it did. Who gives a fuck whether it's actually true when it comes to wolves? That doesn't have to mean it's not true for people. Also, at the end, Adam named a few beta traits as being good for relationships but quantity is more of an indicator of alphaness than quality. I still …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 10:06 PM
1

Where did you get that impression from? I think most low-value men here admit that they are worth less than most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 10:43 AM
8

It's true to an extent. Attractive men are still capable of acting creepy but the truth is that attractive men can get away with a hell of a lot more than unattractive men. Often, the unattractive man's biggest mistake was not being mindful of how out of his league the girl is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 11:31 PM
1

Hard to imagine a woman noticeably lower than me but if I were on a date with such a girl I'd feel less anxious and insecure about my chances. I would never go out with a girl noticeably higher than me. I wouldn't believe she'd be actually attracted to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 11:30 PM
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As backwards as it is, I do think men have higher self-esteem and more positive self-perception overall. That being said, I don't think many women ever get as down on themselves as low-value men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 11:27 PM
2

Pound it into your thick skull that she's not into you and that you never had a chance. You'll lose those lovey-dovey feelings quick enough after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 11:25 PM
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I am here to explain things from a low-value man's pov. The snarkers among you will probably counter this place has more than enough of those but I think I still have some interesting insights to give. Tbh, I am not looking to have my mind changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 06:52 PM
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I agree that wealth isn't as important as it used to be but it certainly plays a role. Not many women are willing to date men from a lower economic/social class while men don't really have a problem with it. And wealth will always be a plus in the eyes of women. Status mostly refers to someone's social standing. How are they seen by their peers and how well do they do socially. That kind of thing. High-status males are those males who have markers of success (certain jobs, clothes, cars, hangout…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 01:02 PM
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Yup, this is basically it. A famous male tennis player could easily fall for some cute Redditor who posts on /r/gonewild. A famous female tennis player can only really fall for the guy who literally founded Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 12:45 PM
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Men care mostly about looks and personality, unlike women who also care about status and wealth. Because looks and personality are more open to taste than status and wealth it's harder to talk about best. Especially since men have a more diverse taste when it comes to looks. On top of that, men don't really compare when it comes to dating. Women do. So all in all, men aren't hypergamous in the same way women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 12:42 PM
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Well, I'm the last person who should speak with authority on what a relationship looks like but I think it would be indicated by sex that is both plentiful and very satisfying. A partner who is open to experiment and eager to please you. That would indicate to me that I might actually be her best. I'm also just talking from my own experience so I don't know how many other men think like this but I could definitely imagine that if you weren't very popular or successful in your youth you'd start q…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 10:30 AM
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I wouldn't just go by her words. I'd need to see it in her actions as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 10:10 AM
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And the point of my comment was that no man measures "best" like that for the reasons I outlined above.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 05:49 AM
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It is not evil. Just nature. Those of us at the bottom would get absolutely fucked (by never getting fucked) but that's to be expected. Hell, you could even argue that it's a just system because it would be better for humanity if all women reproduced with the top few alphas.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 05:35 AM
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The fear of not being her best and not measuring up (literally with regards to dick size) to her past lovers is what drives the dislike of high N-counts. And that obviously also fuels the fear that she might cheat. After all, if you're not her best she might go out looking for it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 05:32 AM
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Women have no problem marrying despite not feeling much sexual attraction for their man. It's because the best you can get to commit is lesser than the best you can get for a hookup. And once you're married a woman's biological clock determines whether she wants to get pregnant. The man plays no role in that decision. So no, neither of those things indicate a man is a woman's best.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 05:28 AM
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Men would never pair off. Poly relationships would be the standard. I think most men would have a couple of FwBs, including their baby mommas, alongside their constant string of ONS. Men would probably be more selective but I think men would still feel motivated to have the biggest harems and fuck the most women. I mean, Tinder would be even more of an hookup app than it already is. That's also why I don't think men would suddenly let themselves become ugly. Because they'd still be competing wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 05:17 AM
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There is nothing to fix. Complete sexual agency for both genders is all you can ask for and I think we're already heading in that direction. The problems that arise from that are unfixable. Just something we'll have to live with.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 09:39 PM
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What is all this harem having harems bullshit? The "harems" of the women would all be the same few harem-having men. So it'd be less harems having harems and more women being part of multiple harems.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 09:33 PM
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Sure but on the other hand, you'd get makeup orgies instead of makeup sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 01:06 PM
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It's not that women lie but that female sexuality has only recently been "unchained" and so people haven't really internalized what that means and what it is telling us yet. For the entirety of human history, women got into relationships with men they felt no attraction towards. They did this because they were forced or because they needed a man to provide for them. It's only recently that the idea that woman needs to feel sexually attracted to their partner is all that commonplace. That's why w…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 12:42 PM
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The world would be a better place if the gender ratio favored with women. Like 3 or 4 women for every man.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 08:29 AM
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I don't think those two things should get compared. I feel like we as a society have a responsibility to combat poverty and eliminate the often systemic causes behind it. There is no such collective responsibility for men who can't get laid. I don't think those at the bottom are solely to blame for their position but we do ourselves no favors by comparing ourselves to poor people. Besides, a lot of the more vitriolic criticism of incels is in response to the guys praising Elliot Rodgers, going o…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 08:19 AM
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It's been said already but women dating up means women going for the best man they know. Women constantly compare men against each other to see who's the best and therefore worthy of her attention. It's the same reason that seeing your partner lose at something is unlikely to affect a man's perception of his wife but is enough for a woman to lose all attraction or at least be turned off sexually for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 06:18 AM
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Because a few men are nice to women and are their friend until they get rejected, at which point they react with scorn and anger, women now feel like they can insult and dismiss any man who expresses dismay that their decency and good behaviour isn't attractive to women. Some naive men think that being a good and pleasant person around women is enough and feel disappointed when they find out that isn't the case. The absolute worst part is that being a good and pleasant person around men is enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 06:14 AM
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1) Of course it's unattractive because of conditioning. Why would body-hair be inherently unattractive? 2) Depends on the amount and the placement. Too much hair on the legs and around the vagina would be a serious turn off. Armpit hair is always a turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 12:04 PM
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Yup, unless you're very overweight, lifting is useless if you weren't already attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 06:30 AM
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People will assume they and their surroundings represent the average. That's why neither of those beliefs are actually true. The truth is in the middle. The average man can get into relationships but it's not super easy. He also has a hard time getting casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 06:24 AM
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It encompasses everything. The shame of being so unattractive, the stigma of lacking in any and all experiences, the self-hatred for being nothing compared to others, the constant reminders of your inadequacies. It all adds up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 09:05 PM
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You may be able to say that about the ones that keep going on about Disney but it's a little dismissive to say that the only reason some guy might feel at loss for why his relationship failed or why he's not doing well with women is that his parents failed him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 04:04 PM
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Men go to the TRP and the rest of the manosphere because they've failed with women or gotten hurt in a relationship. Women go to RPW because they want to feel special and like one of the "good" girls because they treasure their femininity. Or because they want to become traditional housewives but don't want to feel like lazy bums. Is it really a surprise that one of these groups has an anger phase and the other doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 12:26 PM
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People only see their sexually successful friends and think they represent everybody. If you are not attractive to women no amount of friends is going to get you somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 08:16 AM
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Not only is it impossible to fake it without obvious flaws but adopting a personality or attitude that isn't truly yours can be exhausting and you'll only end up feeling worse about yourself. Fake it till you make it is not good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 08:14 AM
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Absolutely agree. Same goes for getting pumped-and-dumped versus getting settled for. One is recognized as a real problem (women only being wanted for sex), the other is ridiculed if brought up as a real problem (men in relationships with women who aren't attracted to them).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 08:12 AM
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A combination of genetics, upbringing/environment and personal choices. All three determine whether you have an attractive personality and whether you look attractive. I don't believe that there's nothing for me to improve about myself and I also don't think it is out of the question that someone might settle for me in the future but I do doubt that simply changing some words and actions are going to make me attractive. Unless I'm changing so much that I'm basically performing a whole other pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 11:14 PM
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I don't think there was ever a time when men protected random women in public any more than they do now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 11:04 PM
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What people want is other people they're attracted to. Kinda hard to offer that when you're not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 11:04 PM
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I'm not really sure what this is supposed to mean when it comes to interacting with other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 10:46 PM
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Sounds like saying I should trick someone into believing someone I'm not by maintaining a fake persona. One I'll then have to keep for as long as we're together. That doesn't sound appealing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 08:10 PM
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At least Jesus will always have our back.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 06:30 PM
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Living by your own virtues can be a struggle even when divorced from the concepts of masculinity and femininity. Most people feel some reluctance at times to step up to the plate and do their part. The performance comes in when you're always expected to step up to the plate. When you can't even express your worries and fears about not being brave enough because you know people will judge you for it. When you know you can't tell people that maybe the sacrifices have taken a toll on you because yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 05:54 PM
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Being social is just another word for having certain personality traits that are considered to be very attractive. A lot of extroversion, a lot of projected confidence, a certain kind of charisma, low inhibition, lack of self-consciousness, etc. Sexual attractiveness is more than just looks. Personality plays a large role too. Sadly, a large part of someone's personality is determined by birth. Even more so than with someone's looks. Even when I was social I never had those traits. They didn't c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 04:44 PM
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The wall bullshit is a cope and a TRP revenge-fantasy. The worst that can happen to a post-wall woman is being forced to settle for a man she's not attracted to and she can easily remedy that with cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 04:27 PM
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I'm not going to pretend that I'm currently some popular social animal but I used to be. Had my own crew of friends, hung out with men and women alike, was well-liked by just about everyone. It mattered fuck all. I was still not attractive to women in the slightest. The reason you don't know many men like the men on reddit in real life is that eventually, they drop out. They stop becoming all that social. Because being around others just reminds you of how inadequate you are compared to the rest…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 04:25 PM
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Of course, our complaints are amplified by the underlying inadequacy in fulfilling social expectations. There isn't a part of manhood that's not a performance. There isn't a part of manhood that is not something you can fail at. And unlike women who have a movement going back over a century fighting for their right to buck society's expectations men have nowhere to hide from the expectations hoisted on them. Even the examples of feminist men fit most male expectations. "Oh, men can still be a fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 04:17 PM
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I mean, this place shits on unattractive and low-value men a lot too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 04:01 PM
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A lot of men obsess over their imperfections too. But if this was a thread aimed at unattractive men you'd have about a 100 responses by now from guys with no trouble calling themselves ugly or low-value. Instead, so far there has been literally one woman going as far as to call herself ugly and a couple of others calling themselves average. Like I said, women are less likely to admit to being low-value/ugly than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 12:46 PM
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Great post. One thing every man struggling with insecurities or being low-value has to realize is that women will never be there for you. They will never be on your side. Even the most feminist of women, who are absolutely dedicated to tearing down traditional gender roles, are only doing so with women in mind. None of them seriously believe men should be as free from gender conformity as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 11:13 AM
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Like any woman is going to call herself unattractive. Women are far less likely to admit to being low-value than men are. Besides, it's a lot harder for women to reach true levels of low-value like men can. With online dating, almost any straight woman can find herself someone to date and/or hook up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 09:05 AM
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Casual sex has become an important part of growing up. In order to not feel like you missed out later, it is good to focus on getting a high n-count before you try for a relationship. Having a high n-count can also help improve your confidence and protect yourself from insecurity and dependence on a partner. Besides, n-count and access to casual sex are the most important signifiers of a man's worth. Now there is nothing inherently wrong with long term relationships but it is incredibly easy as …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 06:43 AM
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A man's options generally increase as he ages and becomes worth more materially. However, the chances of getting settled for also increases. So "better" is determined by how important you find a woman's desire and attraction towards you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 09:40 PM
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This seems like bizarro world to me. Attractive people always seem to have lots and lots of friends. I think beautiful people have an easier time making friends even if they have bad personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 05:09 PM
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Value is determined by far more than just looks. Besides, outside of the weird beard, this guy looks just about average.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 11:09 AM
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Giving a birthday gift to someone you barely know is very weird IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 11:05 AM
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People with high smv have more fun in life. Because women have a higher smv on average it looks like they have more fun than men. Besides, manhood can be burdensome to some of us. Some men are naturals at performing masculinity but for those of us that don't it can be crushing to feel like you're failing at it. So I can certainly see the appeal of being a woman getting rid of that burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 05:28 AM
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Depends on who you are. For some people dating is easier than ever while for others it is close to impossible. In general I'd say that hook ups have never been easier for women and hot men. Like ordering a pizza. For average men hook ups are possible but depending on the avenue (tinder vs bars) the competition can be terrible. Hook ups are impossible for low-value men. The same holds true for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 05:22 AM
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All the good women are out enjoying life and sleeping with/getting into relationships with the best men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 06:32 PM
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Look at the comment I was responding to. Fucking with us meant having sex with us in this context. It wasn't about playing mind games.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 06:11 PM
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I don't do sexy things. I try to keep healthy and clean and keep myself well-dressed and groomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 05:18 PM
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Why are people pretending this is a hard question to answer? Chads are very sexually attractive men who are popular with women. It's as simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 03:21 PM
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Ah yes, because growing increasingly agreeable and conscientious makes men sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 03:17 PM
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The fact that there is no longer anywhere to hide from the constant bombardment about the importance of sexual success and sex in general does indeed hurt those men at the bottom of the social hierarchy. I think the main problem isn't that low-value men are tormented by the presence of women but that their presence, without them having to do anything to cause it, always introduces competition and a more strongly visible hierarchy for the men. I think that's what torments the men at the bottom. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 03:10 PM
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I pity whoever's dumb enough to marry her desperate ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 02:01 PM
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Roasting people is a large part of my sense of humour but I have a harder time roasting women. I can get comfortable enough to make jokes about men within a minute of meeting them but I really need to get to know a woman before I can start roasting here. I also have more patience for women during discussions. Probably because it feels validating in a way when they agree with me or when the discussion goes well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 01:56 PM
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Of course it's a huge red flag. Because women are capable of dating/having sex with and without sexual attraction, every man has to ask himself if he is getting settled for. Now, if it is an ONS it is very unlikely that you are getting settled for. And if you look like a "borderline Ralph Lauren model" you probably don't have to worry all that much about physical attractiveness either. If her past sexual partners all had personality traits you lack you might still be getting settled for though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 07:42 AM
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With sexual attraction I mean the presence of actual desire. An erection is about actively desiring someone, opening your legs doesn't require any attraction or desire whatsoever. And I agree with you that many women want to be loved and that there are women who question whether the men they are with truly love them. I imagine that must feel terrible. But that doesn't have anything to do with low-value men not getting sexually desired. It's an entirely different problem. And while both men and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 11:08 PM
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I don't. Besides, I was responding to your very insightful "lol".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 09:53 PM
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Make stupid comments, get stupid responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 09:46 PM
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I get where you are coming from but this is honestly so ignorant of the experience of low-value men. In almost all cases a straight woman can be sure that her partner, whether he's there for the night or for the rest of his life, feels sexual attraction towards her. That sexual attraction might not be as immediate or as visceral as for the hottest women but it's still there. And when it comes down to it, when a man is about to sleep with a woman he usually just really wants and desires her. To a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 09:44 PM
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Congratulations... buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 09:24 PM
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I think that's more than 0.1% of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 07:06 PM
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A combination of looks and personality. I think personality plays a larger role in making someone low-value.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:53 PM
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Well, sure. Most people talking about dating and pills are wrong in at least some ways. A lot of incels generalize too much and take things too extremes. But that doesn't mean that low-value men, incel or otherwise, don't have valuable information to share. I don't think being at the bottom makes everything you say meaningless, wrong or lesser than the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:52 PM
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I don't think being low-value is all about looks. Some incels might look okay but they still have sexually unattractive personalities. I think it is a combination of both those things that make a person low-value or a part of the bottom of the social hierarchy. And I actually think personality plays a larger role than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:50 PM
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In another response to you, a clarified what I mean by the bottom 20%. I agree that they're not all incels but I do think the bottom 20% usually gets settled for and doesn't get into relationships based on mutual sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:47 PM
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Plenty of people are attractive and therefore successful with dating without truly knowing what makes them attractive. It might actually help to be unattractive to really know what it takes to be attractive. Just an example, Rob Kardashian couldn't see that Black Chyna was only with him for his money. Now he's got a lot more experience than me with women but I'm pretty sure I know better what made him attractive than he does.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:45 PM
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We're not talking about teenagers. Some traits and physical features are unlikely to change if you still got them in your 20s. I believe some men just don't have what it takes to turn on women. They might improve themselves and eventually make a fine companion to settle for but it'll never get any better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:41 PM
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Tell that to the blue pill sub. They think anyone who looks at a hot 16 year old is a weirdo Don't you have a high school you need to peep at from the bushes or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:39 PM
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They definitely have whiners among them who just want to be Chad and won't lower their standards but especially among the incels there are quite a few who understand that they cannot afford standards and that even becoming average is incredibly unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:16 PM
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I agree, though I think that minority is bigger than you think. The incels are just the ones too young or just too unattractive, including personality-wise, to even get settled for. But there's a portion of men who might not be incels but who will still only ever get settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:14 PM
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I agree that women have less need to settle on sexual attraction. It used to be forced on women, either by the men in their lives or simply by the material circumstances. That's no longer the case and that's good but I do think that's why there's no longer a place for certain men in society. I'm not talking about most men or the average man. Just the bottom 20% or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:13 PM
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I'm not a real believer in that kind of mobility. Not just in terms of looks but especially when it comes to personality. People who are unattractive, inside and out, usually stay that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:10 PM
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There is a huge difference between those at the top and those at the bottom but that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of men in between. That's where the majority of men are. I was simply illustrating what it's like to be at the bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 03:51 PM
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Everybody is motivated by their own goals. It doesn't make you incapable of seeing the state of what's going on. In fact, being at the bottom allows you to see shit most people miss.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 02:50 PM
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It's fine if that's what you want to believe. I'm never going to convince you otherwise anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 02:45 PM
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Yeah, okay. Look, there are men for whom going out to parties and hanging out with people isn't enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 02:40 PM
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38 is young in that it's considered normal for 30-somethings to go "maybe I'll freeze my eggs/wait a while before having kids because I'm just not ready yet". I wasn't talking about 30-somethings hanging around college kids. They're behaving similarly and taking longer to acquire what we'd normally consider signifiers of adulthood. A house, marriage, kids, that kind of thing. These days you can deliberate on that stuff until you're in your forties.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 02:36 PM
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It might be a recent concept but it has quickly become the default basis for relationships, at least in the west. And our popular media is saturated with it. So is it all that weird that people desire relationships based on strong mutual attraction? Besides, nearly all women can find men who are strongly sexually attracted to them. Straight women are far less likely to have to question whether the person they are seeing is actually attracted to them. Every low-value man can decide for himself wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 02:25 PM
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If you're having fun enthusiastic sex with women you are obviously not who I'm talking about. Why would you even think that you're the type of men I'm describing? I am talking about the men who can't have fun enthusiastic sex with women. Any women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 02:19 PM
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Yeah but this place isn't incels. Besides, red pillers are just as bad with their generalities. For fuck's sake, AWALT is one of their main doctrines.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 02:07 PM
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No women are fucking with us breh. And if they someday will they'll do it begrudgingly because why the fuck would their tastes suddenly change. I don't consider some woman settling for me because she's afraid of being lonely and reluctantly sleeping with me out of a feeling of obligation "winning".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 01:59 PM
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For the people at the bottom of the hierarchy sexual success translates into getting settled for by a woman who's not attracted to you. Standards don't have anything to do with it. In fact, it is the average men who get settled for who are fucking themselves over with their own standards. They could probably get into a more sexually fulfilling relationship if they lowered their standards. That's not an option for the bottom portion of men. And life at the bottom is miserable anyway. I'd rather b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 01:54 PM
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It's not about wanting to be like the hottest guy in school or getting treated like the captain of the football team. Low-value men aren't sitting around crying about not being able to bang the hottest girl. It's about struggling to live with the fact that there isn't any woman at all that feels even a little bit for you what most women feel for the hottest guys. It's about constantly seeing what it is like to be extremely sexually attractive to women while you yourself go completely without.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 01:49 PM
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Everybody speaks from their own experience in generalities. It only requires a little reading comprehension to understand that they are talking about their own situation. I never see people complaining when others talk about their experience in America or among white well-off suburban people as if it represents the average person. Or when people talk about their own tastes and experiences as if it counts for the average person as well. Of course the low-value men are talking about their situatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 01:46 PM
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Sounds like you just don't know any low-value men. Sexual inequality doesn't mean the complete erasure of average men. The men I'm talking about are at the bottom of the social hierarchy. There will always be average men living average lives. I just think that the bottom will grow in the future and their lives will continue becoming shittier.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 01:15 PM
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True or not this is a black pill I have no interest in swallowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 12:39 PM
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It is only a guess but I think relationships where the woman settled for the man (at least sexually, I am not saying women can't feel genuine affection in these relationships) make up the vast majority of all relationships low-value men have. And I think low-value men make up about 20-25% of all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 12:36 PM
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Getting settled for happens all the time to low-value men. A lot of women are okay with sacrificing sexual attractiveness if they think it's the only way to get companionship or to hook themselves a provider, though that last one is becoming less common.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 12:21 PM
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It has ruined it by revealing the cavernous gap between relationships, casual or otherwise, where both people are sexually attracted to each other and the relationships where the woman has settled for a man she's not really attracted to at all. It goes a lot further than individuals treating attractive people differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 12:04 PM
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This is the only comment in here that I'd consider jerking off. Why the fuck would being at the bottom mean you are blinder than someone in the middle or at the top. All of those positions have their own blind spots. The low-value men here aren't telling you how the world really works, they are showing you the things you are not seeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 12:01 PM
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If we were all in it for love and companionship from the very beginning and if men and women held about the same worth to each other than you'd be right. But that isn't the case. Most people are not dating because they are looking for lifelong companionship. People start off looking for casual and short-term relationships and only go looking for genuine partners later. And because we keep delaying adulthood that "later" keeps getting, well, later. On top of that, men are not worth the same as wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 11:57 AM
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How about making society more equal, so that women can date you because they love you, and how about you love them in return, so that you have that to offer? All a woman has to offer to be attractive, to have "something" to offer men, is her love and sex. That will never be enough for men. There will always need to be more. And because hetero dating is a competition between males there will always be losers. I'm all for a more equal society but the truth is that a more equal society will undoubt…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 10:14 AM
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The ideal western lifestyle these days is young people participating in hookup culture. And it's not just the ideal for actual young people between the ages of 18 and 25. Nowadays "young" can mean up to thirty-fucking-eight and older. It is only reasonable that people should want to live the ideal lifestyle. Especially since I only see that lifestyle getting more popularized and made aspirational in the future. Besides, even if less well-off women still "need" men hookup culture has ruined that …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 08:03 AM
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Good for you for getting out. Don't let that trick you into thinking there aren't any other losers out there or that some men won't stay losers for the rest of their rotten lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 09:49 PM
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Mentoring requires pupils. Teams require leaders. Heroes need victims. Guess who women want in all those cases. Why would you want to fuck those women? Like I have a choice. Low-status men don't get to pick who they fuck. Depending on their level of self-respect they either take whatever they can get or begrudgingly go without. For hetero men competition is the be all and end all of our existence. And the sad fact is that some men will never be winners. Doesn't matter what kind of winner a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 09:30 PM
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Sure that's reasonable. The thing is, where you sit on the alpha-beta spectrum is not something you can change so desiring to change it is all you can really do. The low betas who lack sufficient alpha qualities don't have any manageable steps to get out of being low betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 08:27 PM
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Not if who you are now sucks. Duh. Would you ask the same thing to a broke dude desiring to be a billionaire?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 08:21 PM
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I mentioned high betas. But what makes them sexually attractive are the alpha qualities they possess. And besides, that still leaves a lot of lower betas who don't possess enough alpha qualities to be sexually attractive. Of course those men are going to desire to become a true alpha becomes it contrasts so strongly with their current situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 08:15 PM
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The more alpha you are the more attractive you are to women. I think you are underestimating how important sexual success is to men. Life as a very sexually attractive man is completely different from life as a man who's not very sexually attractive. Now there are beta men with enough alpha qualities to still be sexually attractive but there will always be a bottom who is not sexually attractive at all. Nothing can ever make up for that lack of sexual attractiveness. I think it's those bottom me…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 08:09 PM
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Becoming a transwoman or serving women and alphas is going a bit far. There's no need for that now that we have video games and porn. But I do agree that in the future a large portion of men won't be needed anymore. But just like all the people no longer needed on the workplace will be placated with a universal basic income so too will the unnecessary men be placated with empty entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 07:53 PM
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That obsession is not unhealthy at all. As men we are constantly bombarded with images of life as an alpha male. Life as a non-alpha male is meaningless in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 07:46 PM
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Schools with popular bullies does not mean schools where dysfunctional assholes run the place. That's the point, bullies are not dysfunctional people. The fact is that part of being at the top of a social hierarchy, especially when that hierarchy is made out of immature kids working towards adulthood, is putting the people at the bottom down. The popular men put down the unpopular men as a show of strength and to cement their position and they get rewarded for it with sex by women. That's just h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 07:44 PM
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Not these days. These days we retreat into porn and video games. The modern man is not something to be afraid of.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 06:12 PM
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So your personal experience was exactly like I described but you still felt the need to argue that I got my ideas from comic books or attending a shitty school... Like I said, the open bullying you see in school doesn't really continue into adulthood. There are still bullying adults but they are no longer very successful or popular. Instead, it's the men who have changed their bullying behaviour into other more subtle ways of expressing their dominance over others. It is different aggressive and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 06:09 PM
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Sure but it still sucks to be that guy. Women should stop being stupid and realize they need men who are sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 05:52 PM
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That's just my gut feeling. I think girls will be preferred because girls are worth more in society these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 05:50 PM
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Despite increased conduct problems, bullies were psychologically strongest and enjoyed high social standing among their classmates. If you went to a school where the bullies didn't belong to the popular kids it's you who had an unusual high school experience, not me. And after school the open bullying makes way for other domineering, controlling and aggressive behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 05:49 PM
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Bullies are routinely the most popular and sexually successful boys in high school. That's a dynamic that stays the same after high school as well. The behaviour changes but women will always gravitate to domineering men who put others down and are aggressive and intimidating. It's why female sexuality is ten times more disgusting than male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 03:35 PM
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I might have put it wrong at first. Men can feel affection for someone but won't date her purely based on that. Men date and fuck people based on sexual attraction. Women also date and fuck men based on sexual attraction but are just as likely to date and reluctantly fuck men based on affection. That is the difference between men's attraction to famous hot girls and women's attraction to Chads. Men feel sexual attraction to those women but you can also be sure that they feel sexual attraction to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 01:40 PM
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Men can not feel romantically attracted to women they are not sexually attracted to. Men cannot date women they can't fuck. Women can feel romantically attracted to men they are not sexually attracted to. Women can date men they don't enjoy fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 10:46 AM
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Genuine enthusiastic desire isn't going to make you attractive to a woman but it is necessary to really turn one on who is already attracted to you. Just one more way in which men are always forced to perform.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 07:27 AM
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No because men have only one type of attraction, a sexual one, while women have more. So men might feel sexually attracted to famous hot girls but they also feel sexually attracted to the women they actually date. Women on the other hand have a natural tendency to only be sexually attracted to the best men around. Women only feel sexual attraction to Chad and are not really sexually attracted to the lesser men they date. The difference comes down to this: men are sexually attracted to more women…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 07:25 AM
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Designer babies will simultaneously bring sex-selective abortions with them and I think girls will now be prefered over boys. So unless some dumb science-hating assholes try to stop it I think we will see a better male/female birth ratio in the near future.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 07:21 AM
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I don't think casual sex is bad for society. I think a society with lots of casual sex is the best kind. But I do think casual sex is bad for low SMV men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 06:23 PM
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Because dating multiple women at once is the male ideal. Besides, even if you're looking for an LTR women's ideal man is the type of man who has, or is at least capable of having, multiple partners. So even if you're commitment minded dating multiple women should still be your goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 06:22 PM
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Unless you live outside of the West it doesn't really matter. Hell, even middle-class urban youths in Third World countries probably have a similar dating experience to people living in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 06:17 PM
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Foreveralone might go a bit far but 18 is when the reality of someone's worth sets in. Only natural that some men react with despair.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 06:15 PM
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When people use low SMV as an insult or as a way to shut others up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 04:35 PM
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Low-value men are disposable in both so I don't really care.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 08:48 PM
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