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Just keep seeing her and if she doesn’t have sex that’s when you stop seeing her lol
/r/seduction16/07/26 05:27 PM
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Hypergamy + Feminism + Globalization led the deregulation of the sexual marketplace so these are the conditions it created
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:34 PM
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That’s the joke
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:29 PM
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I remember seeing a thread years ago where someone said feminism is basically one big shit test and I chuckled because it’s lowkey true lol. For the right guy a lot of women will get in line with his beliefs assuming he checks the boxes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:06 AM
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They hate capitalism but love the benefits of it . Similar to patriarchy when they pick and choose which parts to upkeep like chivalry and traditional masculine roles like providing etc
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:05 AM
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lol the person above you proves why men gravitate towards the manosphere. Instead of offering a logical solution the first thing they do is shame, insults and guilt their way because even they know there’s an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:10 AM
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If it’s casual why are you taking her out to dinner. Sounds like you’re the one funding her while the other guy doesn’t have to invest
/r/seduction18/06/26 03:23 PM
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Yup women always swing from one branch to the next directly or indirectly whether she’s good or bad. Always orbiters in her vicinity
/r/seduction28/05/26 03:59 PM
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Yup. If she’s not a virgin she’s just subconsciously telling you she doesn’t find you attractive enough or has that primal desire to have sex with you without commitment . If you’re a woman’s type the intimacy will be there
/r/seduction13/05/26 11:10 PM
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Most men aren’t getting consistent sex without a relationship so that’s definitely a driving factor for a lot of men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 04:43 PM
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Yeah I don’t believe in couples counseling or relationship therapy. Some things can’t be fixed
/r/seduction23/04/26 05:31 PM
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The “my truth” thing is so hilarious lol they’ll omit the truth and not tell you objectively what happened
/r/seduction23/04/26 01:46 PM
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Ppl like to virtue signal oh well she’s toxic too . Which could be true. But I would say that’s a very small percentage I’ve dealt with women who come from good backgrounds and shitty backgrounds and there’s still overlap as to what women are attracted to. Whether she’s a lawyer/NP or stripper/bartender. Women are women at the end of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:10 AM
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You can do anything to a woman but be boring/weak Obviously not as black and white but it’s pretty true. Especially if she finds you relatively attractive. Better to be polarizing than a ghost
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:43 AM
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Yup metabolism doesn’t “slow down” Your base maintenance calories depends on your physical activity
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:54 PM
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You can’t control that. You only control access to sex
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 12:49 PM
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You can’t control other people’s actions. You can only control yours lol. Accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 12:49 PM
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Nothing is wrong with authenticity but if you’re not attractive it doesn’t matter how authentic you are. TRP is all about making yourself desirable/attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:50 PM
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People think red pill ideology red pill’s men . It’s really women who red pill men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:08 AM
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Everyone’s a feminist until there’s a house fire
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 03:40 PM
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Not really. If we look at things objectively both the average man and woman are overweight , make about 40-50k per year and fall somewhere between a 4-6 SMV (assuming a bell curve ) The reason why there are more men struggling today is that it is a deregulated sexual market with no social constraints or social contract to offset hypergamy . Everyone is sexually liberated now on paper but the only people benefitting are average women who now have sexual access to higher SMV men via social media a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 02:39 PM
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I consider head a body. It’s literally oral sex . When I think of a “virgin” I’m thinking absolute purity and no sexual encounters. But that’s just me. But I’d say the dealbreaker is the rappers and athlete access. Once she enters that domain hypergamy won’t allow her to be happy and content with anything under that status wise
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:43 AM
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Another thing I’ve learned as I’ve dealt with more women is an actual 7 is rare. Most people use 7 as default to sound average but most people are 4-6. 7-8s are rare. 9’s and 10s you won’t have access to unless you’re extremely wealthy, a celebrity, an athlete or you work in modeling spaces
/r/seduction21/03/26 09:57 PM
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I prefer coffee as a first date . Drinks lead into gray area and I want consent if anything happens
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 07:04 PM
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Yup nature isn’t fair . I always say attraction isn’t based on morality. It’s based on being attractive regardless on if you’re moral or immoral or good or bad. There’s prison guards getting pregnant by inmates lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:47 PM
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Either way idc honestly I’m not sticking around to find out lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 05:05 PM
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Why is it sabotaging ? I hate when people frame it like it’s the guys loss for having his standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 05:04 PM
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If all you can do is ad homonyms then you’re being disingenuous
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:09 PM
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You literally just proved my point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:05 PM
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She doesn’t owe him that but he doesn’t owe her commitment if he thinks he’s getting a bad deal. The issue is men get demonized for having that precedent and standard set when they voice it . It gets labeled as insecurity . Whereas a woman can demand something and its empowerment
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:54 PM
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It was never hate to begin with. Men in general do not want single moms for LTR’s. It’s not just a manosphere thing Men don’t say wow I can’t wait to raise another man’s kids as my own . Edit: I checked who posted this lol. You always have one of the worst takes in this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 01:10 PM
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Idk about that. I think for men they’re not getting hookups for the most part unless they’re at least above average Average men and below average men need to leverage a relationship for sex. For women though it’s different. They can get hookups
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:52 PM
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I think for most people it’s a matter of proximity and relative SMV. It’s not quite as black and white as people make it seem. Not every man a woman hooks up with is a 9-10. Sometimes it’s just a 6 that’s in her proximity when she was “feeling” up for it. For men we have to make it happen. But it’s also proximity. You could choose to only go after 8s but if your proximity is a 6 that’s DTF well there’s your supply
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:01 PM
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Red Pill is the adaptation to the new sexual marketplace . The social contract has been broken and men need to move like it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:12 PM
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If you track your macros decently you’ll be fine. “Healthy” doesn’t matter if you’re overeating . You can buy “healthy” foods and still get fat because you’re in a caloric surplus. You can also lose weight eating an occasional Twinkie because you’re tuned in to your calories. I say that to say that women get so caught up in finding Mr. right (healthy) that they overlook the work on her end it takes to hit her goals (tracking calories/maintaining/accountability in her relationships) It’s like a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:36 PM
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a lot arent That’s not how statistics work. Most people are between a 4-6. 7’s up are deviations from the mean and rare. 68.2% are in that 4-6 range because of one standard deviation from the mean. Then there’s 27.2% (13.6% each direction) for another standard deviation (3’s and 7’s) then 4.2% (2.1% for each direction ) for another deviation (2’s and 8’s) In reality 8/9/10 and 0/1/2 are rare
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:26 PM
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The average woman is above the average man in the mating market but a top tier guy has a longer window and more optionality for his endeavors whether casual or relationship wise Women have more access to men but are naturally pickier and have a shorter window to get their endeavors met (LTR/Marriage/Kids) As women get older with more baggage and haven’t kept up their beauty they get priced out the relationship market for the man they really desire As men stay average and don’t self improve their…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:25 PM
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I agree that guys should have optionality to avoid oneitis but I don’t think OP was necessarily wrong for inviting her out in the middle of the week. She said she’s not ready which was a litmus test in womanese to show she wasn’t feeling OP as much as she claimed she did after the first date . What women say and what they respond to are different. Her actions will show you. Only thing OP did wrong was keep inviting her out after she shot him down in the middle of the week . He should’ve just fel…
/r/seduction03/03/26 03:39 PM
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Women always have orbiters in their vicinity. They may or may not be entertaining them but they’re there
/r/seduction03/03/26 03:37 PM
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Who cares what they think. Go after whoever is reciprocating
/r/seduction26/02/26 11:39 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 08:39 PM
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I don’t believe men should be entitled to sex from women just because she had casual sex before. I just don’t want to deal with a woman who’s placing higher standards for me now. I’m free to not entertain and invest in someone that’s not giving a good return . Men aren’t entitled to sex, women aren’t entitled to men who court them and wait . Find who desires you the way you want
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 08:39 PM
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If a woman calls nurturing babying she’s not attracted enough to her man
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:11 PM
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Household labor isn’t emotional labor though. Those are 2 different things. And I’d argue a woman who genuinely is attracted to her man actually enjoys doing household labor for the guy she’s with because she’s earning her keeps
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:42 PM
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Women who say this aren’t genuinely attracted to the man they’re with so they use that term to covertly let out their frustration that they “settled” . They don’t want to overtly say “hey I’m losing attraction to you”. Once a woman starts saying stuff like that she’s looking for a way out and is using that to justify it. Next it’s the “I love you, but I’m not in love with you” speech. When a woman actually desires you she’ll do anything to be of use to you. Even if that means “emotional labor” b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:40 PM
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Men and women are different. Double standards will never go away no matter how much egalitarian/equality is pushed. You can’t change thousands of years of hardwiring . The hardware changed but the not the software. At least not in our lifetime or the next few generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:51 PM
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Best thing to be
/r/seduction15/02/26 05:51 AM
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I’m not doing 3-5 dates without sex honestly and even then that doesn’t guarantee her being my GF. Commitment is serious so I would vet pretty long
/r/seduction11/02/26 02:37 PM
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Yeah even after sex that doesn’t guarantee my commitment . She has to earn that title. Sex is just part of it.
/r/seduction11/02/26 02:36 PM
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Those guys would have options if they were single
/r/seduction25/01/26 05:40 PM
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every girl I know says that they don’t like guys who are players Yet those are the same guys they complain about who “use” them. Don’t listen to what they say. Watch what they respond to
/r/seduction25/01/26 05:27 PM
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I wouldn’t but to each his own. My expectations are different than others .
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 06:24 PM
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Yup you can always back door your way into a relationship via sex You can’t do that as the husband material guy. You’re designated a provider from jump
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:59 PM
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😂😂
/r/TheRedPill19/01/26 05:25 AM
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Tbh idc what she would think. I’m pretty open with my beliefs online and in person with ppl in my social circle. I had an open phone policy both ways with former women . They knew exactly the type of content I was into. My philosophy is if you don’t like it the door is there
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:57 AM
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All that is nice and dandy but none of it is predatory and saying it’s predatory is a dangerous precedent to set . Women have more freedom than ever no one is pressuring them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:34 PM
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Women want to have their cake and eat it. They want freedom, autonomy and empowerment without responsibility, accountability and should be able to be a victim. At what point do women take accountability for a decision they make? A red pill man isn’t putting a gun to your head you choose to accept the terms
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:32 PM
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The woman has free will to not accept it. No one is putting a gun to her head. Y’all put women in a state of perpetual victimhood yet y’all are so independent
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:29 PM
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human nature can be kind of messed up. These women will choose an abusive red pill man who turns her on over a kind gentle man who is a better long term partner How is that predatory if the woman has full autonomy and is exercising her free will? The man is simply doing what women respond to. Women reward this and the deregulated sexual market place and thousands of years of biology have made it this way. We can’t infantilize women and make men this boogeyman
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:20 PM
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Bingo. Tell her to link you after golf
/r/seduction14/01/26 03:45 AM
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Only about 10-15% of men make 6 figures (18-21% of Americans make 6 figures or more) There’s only so many high earning men to go around for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 12:55 AM
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That’s not the point lol… The point I’m making is there are guys who can get sexual access to her without even needing to take her on a Date
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 03:32 AM
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This is a fair take . I still advise guys to do a very light first date though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:28 AM
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You can’t have it both ways though Women want the freedom to deal with multiple men but expect men to court them. That’s a losing deal for men. Why invest and pay a higher price than a guy who’s gets it for less?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 09:36 PM
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Simp doesn’t get picked. That’s why he’s a simp
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:22 PM
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Lmfaooooo there’s so many stories on Reddit of guys in a relationship who find out their GF was sleeping with and entertaining other men while they were in the dating stage and he’s upset because he really thought there was a genuine connection and he was trying to be a “gentleman” and court her
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:17 PM
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for women, they generally need to already be having fun before they want to have sex. A woman knows if she wants to have sex with you within the first 30 seconds Not to mention there’s a definitely a guy who got to have sexual access with no courting involved. Why should I pay a higher price? Clearly means she doesn’t see me as that guy
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:11 PM
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Sexually ? Never . Especially if the woman is attractive and in shape. Marriage/LTR’s : early to mid 30’s . Get more leeway the more attractive you are. If you’re attractive enough maybe even late 30s . But most attractive women are off the market by their mid 20s the latest. Average age of first marriage for women is 28.6 and 30.1 for men I believe. This means women usually find their husband around 23-25 assuming dating to engagement to marriage timeline which is about 3-5 years. But expire is…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:16 PM
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He still fucked though.. that’s the point
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 12:16 AM
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That’s what I was referring to by socio-economic level
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 06:26 AM
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Smaller is a relative term. Smaller than a FAANG can still be a billion dollar company. But the point still stands that company size still matters in regards to salary bands
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 09:22 PM
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Where you work definitely matters . A small or mid sized company isn’t going to be paying ppl $250k unless you’re a VP or C suite or owner
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 09:17 PM
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Yea def forgot to mention software engineers but like you mentioned it’s mostly FAANG ppl who make that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 08:58 PM
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I needed to see this comment.
/r/askMRP27/12/25 05:40 AM
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Lmfao if anything the average woman isn’t going to qualify for better .
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 01:09 AM
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It hasn’t women generally still marry up and due to their perceived higher SMV (key word is perceived because they assume men care about their money and education as high as their looks) they think they deserve men they don’t qualify for commitment wise
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 01:04 AM
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A man who earns $75k is in the top 1/3rd of male earners in the US
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 01:01 AM
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That’s your anecdotal experience. That’s not reality
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 01:01 AM
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but feminism made it less important That’s what they virtue signal but in reality feminism has created hypergamy on steroids because of a deregulated sexual market. Women can’t go against their biology. In general women prefer men who are taller, stronger and earn more than them. New Haven CT has the highest rate of female breadwinners in the US and it’s still a shade under 30% of married households . And out of that 30% there could def be friction long-term
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 12:52 AM
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Crazy thing is most ppl will never make $250k even if they attain higher education and “work hard” $250k is like the top 1-5% of individual earners. Unless you’re a doctor, mid-high level management or executive in a company, a big law lawyer, IB or a travel nurse or NP you’ll never see those numbers
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:23 PM
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so many women are earning elite incomes That is a lie. Only 18% of US adults (man + women) earn 6 figures or higher. Men earn a higher median salary than women across all races . Women only focus on people at the top because of hypergamy . They also tend to focus on anecdotal experiences or their circle as opposed to the reality . Most of these think pieces are by UMC white liberal women obviously to them $150k would seem meh but when you use actual numbers their argument holds no weight. Your p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:13 PM
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Funny to frame it that way . Doubt a guy would even put that in his rotation
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:38 PM
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She’s allowed to have her standards but realistically no man who has all of that would even look at her. It’s delusion to expect a guy who’s in that .0001% will even take her on . Only about 4% of men are 6’2. If you want one that’s fit and dark triad that def gonna be under 1%
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:11 PM
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That’s not even a 5. That’s a 3-4. I wouldn’t want to be seen in public with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:09 PM
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How can someone be a fuckboy if they’re not fucking? A guy who can’t get any is an incel
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:06 PM
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What women virtue signal they’re attracted to and who they fuck are 2 different things Can’t be a “fuckboy” if you’re not letting me fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 07:49 PM
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Who cares if it’s her pet peeve. She’s not giving you what you want. Why should you accommodate yourself to her? Deal with the women who have desire for you
/r/seduction25/12/25 11:47 PM
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He’s putting her pussy on some magical pedestal. I would just be straight up. If you don’t wanna fuck me let’s just end this.
/r/seduction25/12/25 11:28 PM
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Exactly always be willing to take the L to get your point across. You don’t wanna fuck? Fine I’m removing attention and access to me
/r/seduction25/12/25 11:26 PM
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you’re allowing this. Just go nuclear and be willing to take the L. She’s playing games with your head. She likes the attention she’s getting from you but odds are she’s not fucking you because she could possibly be getting it elsewhere but it using you for intimacy and emotional closeness. Tell her she’s being a tease and just tell her to leave the next time she does this . You have to be willing to blow everything up. Otherwise you’re playing in her frame as she’s dangling a piece of pussy tha…
/r/seduction25/12/25 11:25 PM
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Yeah he’s def lifting 4-5x a week
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 02:23 AM
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I think 9/10 women who say that just haven’t met a guy who’s high SMV+RMV enough. Eva Mendez never wanted kids until she ran into Ryan gosling.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 02:19 AM
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Where is the accountability lol. You control your actions. Good or bad. Past or present.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:14 PM
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In the past you had control of that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:11 PM
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a man who has 1 eye Women don’t objectively like deformed men so that’s a strawman. I specifically listed qualifiers such as height and income because that’s what women generally look for and filter for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:10 PM
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You can literally control who you give your pussy to
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 08:45 PM
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People don’t like to admit there’s a level of objectivity with attractiveness . It’s not as subjective as ppl think
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 08:44 PM
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There’s still a level of objectivity with looks. And the question wasn’t only about looks it was Leagues. Hence the reason why I included the percentiles. Yall comprehension skills are lacking
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 08:41 PM
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That’s why I mentioned the facial features that plays a role
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:18 PM
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Statistically y’all do. Women generally date men at least 4-5 inches taller than them . Average woman is 5’3-5’4 average man is 5’9-5’10
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 12:41 PM
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I gave you numbers I don’t care about what your 8 is. So solipsistic and arrogant to just interject yourself like that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 12:40 PM
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Use math A man who’s 6’ feet or taller and makes 6 figures is under 2-3% . Including fitness and social skills he’s probably an 8-9 assuming there’s an objective face card
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:04 AM
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You can increase your SMV and max out your feasible stats but that doesn’t change delusional in the opposite sex
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:29 PM
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No one said anything about getting the top women on earth lol the problem is hoeflation. Men know they’re not getting model 8,9 and 10s. The problem is the women who are 5-6 on the same SMV as them think they deserve 7-8s
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 08:29 PM
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$500k income will not be achieved by 99% of ppl for a reason. The people who touch those salaries are partners at law firms, seasoned doctors, surgeons, VP or higher level executive at F500 firms That’s just not feasible for most people even if you “put your mind to it” for 5 years or 25 years. 6 figures is achievable but the cap is usually around $150-$250k for most jobs and careers unless you’re what I mentioned above Fitness is most achievable
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 05:56 PM
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Yeah I was just using 1% across the board you’re right In reality a man who makes 6 figures and is 6’ or taller is top 2-3%.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 05:39 PM
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most guys just don’t meet the criteria Most men acknowledge this and accept where they are on the totem pole or try to improve It’s women who usually virtue signal that it doesn’t exist
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:25 PM
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become the top 1% Top 1% man based on statistics would be a 6’4/6’5 guy with a individual net worth of 3-10 Million dollars and he would be in great shape on top of that and be a model tier in looks. Some of that you can control but some of that will never happen get a basic girlfriend The deregulated sexual market has 4’s , 5’s and 6’s thinking they deserve commitment from 8’s , 9s and 10s because they can get casual sex from them
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:24 PM
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The argument has never been women aren’t into men. Women aren’t into a majority of men. Women are willing to be side chicks to the top % of men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:03 PM
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If she’s not with the shits so be it .
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 05:20 AM
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How can you put someone into the fuck zone if you never fucked or won’t have the opportunity to fuck ? A woman can put a orbiter into friend zone category because she’s still reaping a benefit. A guy can’t fuck zone a woman he’s not getting physical benefits from . That’s like a job rejecting my application then me saying well I’m withdrawing my candidacy after the fact
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 09:45 PM
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Idk why they’re not understanding it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 09:07 PM
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And what I’m saying is fuck zoning is from FWB/situationships. You can’t fuck zone someone you’re not fucking
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:41 PM
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Most fuck zone’s are from FWB/situationships. The guy doesn’t see LTR qualities but he’s still physically attracted so he keeps it just causal You can’t fuck zone a woman that didn’t want to fuck you in the first place. You wouldn’t have been just friends if that was the case
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:39 PM
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This is one of those things where I kind of side with the woman . As a man you’re better off stating your intentions from jump than sticking around as a friend or orbiter. Even if that wasn’t your intention and developed feelings later on if she really desired you she wouldn’t just be friends. I think you’re also misusing what fuck zone is. Fuck zone is a guy that’s getting sexual access to a woman but doesn’t want to commit . It’s the women version of friend zone where she’s getting benefits fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:35 PM
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Feminism created the deregulated sexual marketplace we have today
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:56 PM
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Which ironically is another red pill tenet of don’t listen to what women say watch what they do/who they fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:41 AM
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How is it controlling if you’re allowing them to walk away? You’re either on my program or see your way out
/r/seduction13/12/25 03:57 PM
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I wouldn’t even entertain her a second time around she showed him she doesn’t desire him
/r/seduction13/12/25 03:54 PM
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What were your intentions ? Tbh talking for 2 months without no sex or title (should be both honestly depending on goals) is a red flag. Means she’s not interested in you like that and is playing the field Which leads me to my next point which is her putting herself around other guys on a trip and deactivating her social then getting emotional before the trip. Just sounds like she’s subconsciously guilty because she knows she will be doing something inappropriate. Quite frankly the things I ment…
/r/seduction13/12/25 03:53 PM
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Yes. Respect and all the other trinkets matter more imo. Love to me is all in the actions. Not a fleeting emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 01:34 PM
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If I ever had a daughter I’d tell her the truth about the dating market and be realistic with her. What she does after that is on her but I would be real with her the same way if I had a son. If you want xyz outcomes you need to put in xyz work in these areas
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 04:59 PM
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From my experience a woman that actually loves you will respect you and provide you peace. There won’t be many shit tests. If anything more comfort tests. The one who is peaceful I wouldn’t be able to deal with because from my experience a woman who’s aloof and distant isn’t a woman who desires you. I need both respect and desire in a relationship from a woman so I would opt out
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:45 PM
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I think they do but everyone is free to do what works best for them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:10 AM
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also you don’t need to be toxic to be “exciting” I agree with that and so do men. It’s usually women who don’t subscribe to that. Hence their sexual selectivity
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:11 AM
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They did it was the purity culture back then . Men and women are different pair bonding wise. That ties back to biology. Men don’t attach feelings to sex in the same capacity women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:46 AM
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That’s basically AF/BB sexual strategy. Get their rocks off from “toxic” guy then “settle” for mediocre husband who provides stability but no tingles
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:42 AM
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That’s thousands of years of biology mixed with deregulation of the sexual marketplace speaking. Women choose sexually attractive high SMV men that they perceive but that doesn’t mean he will be a husband or commit or be healthy and non toxic. There were factors in place so women wouldn’t have these experiences so they could still pair bond properly but today that baggage gets dumped on the husband material betabux who’s sex won’t ever measure up
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:41 AM
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Didn’t necessarily say more partners. Reps can come from a LTR as well or long term situationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:28 AM
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I think this comment on the second link you provided should make things clearer for men : “The best sex I’ve ever had came from emotionally manipulative narcissists. Completely toxic and unstable situationships. Never again. The man I’m marrying came from a similar relationship past and now we meet each other in the middle ensuring we have a healthy relationship first and sex life we desire together. Not the standards of anyone else but us.” I think comments like this is why many men today hate …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:23 AM
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I’m not disagreeing with you . Just adding in . It’s the cold reality men have to accept
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:21 AM
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I try to explain to guys that sexual strategy or performance isn’t moral. I think too many guys grow up thinking everything is a meritocracy and being “nice” or whatever that means trickles into the sexual aspect of life and it doesn’t. Being good at sex means being good at sex. If you want to get better you need more reps and understanding female anatomy. I think many guys today are sexually stunted but more emotionally in tuned and that doesn’t work to pleasuring a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:18 AM
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I stopped caring what women think. I say and think what I want. Most women I find virtue signal . I stand for my own beliefs regardless of social media or women
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 06:53 PM
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It’s higher than self reported. Men usually inflate their number.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:54 AM
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Literally like I just stated. I’m looking for something casual vs something serious
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:21 PM
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I just be upfront. Idc about getting rejected. There’s millions of women in the US. I either say I’m not looking for anything serious/commitment wise or I am looking for something serious. Leave the ball in her court. Let her choose
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:42 PM
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Rule number 1 & 2 Has nothing to do with being bad or good. If you’re attractive the rules are different
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:52 PM
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Akash wasn’t a manosphere guy though he was literally the poster child white knight blue pilled caricature. That’s what made it hilarious 😂 Akash literally spoke against TRP and the irony is TRP would’ve kept him away from this embarrassing wife
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:59 PM
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You’d let your wife joke about having an orgy with another man and talking about his penis size? And blow what out of proportion she’s the one that said she was “popping pussy “ and “hooking up” then she talks about getting ass fucked from a guy off tinder. How are you saying that then the husband is claiming you’re a virgin. Do you not see the incongruity wtf lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:56 PM
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I thought it was too but it was just way too many random clips off old videos to be fake . She’s literally on her podcast asking to have an orgy with her friend and the friends husband right in front of akash comparing dong sizes and he’s just quiet like a mouse
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:53 PM
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Yup that akash situation will be the perfect gold standard example of AF/BB. Look at the lack of respect she has towards him. She literally lied to the guy about being a virgin and he himself held out until marriage. She was his first and she was getting ran through in frat houses lol. Now all of a sudden we’re supposed to believe she “matured” . Matured usually means higher n count and couldn’t secure commitment from the guys she really desired. The “my money is my money and his money is our mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:03 PM
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Yup he has to leverage commitment for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:01 PM
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Tbh this whole post mostly applies to betabux guys. If you’re AF or AB you just existing in her presence means something .
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:48 AM
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You literally just proved my point LMFAOOOO
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 01:52 AM
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Women generally prefer men who are taller, stronger, and are on their economic level or higher . They also prefer a V taper Men prefer women who have wide hips a small waist, healthy weight, lower body count etc It’s just how it is . You can’t change thousands of years of biology . At least not in a generation
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:32 PM
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And we see it from rich women their dating pool is a lot smaller and they usually complain they can’t find a man that suits them because a man at that level has a much wider pool . A king can make a woman a queen . A queen can’t make a man a king
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:30 PM
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Even if women have money they want a man who is either on their socio economic status or higher. Doesn’t matter if she’s a teacher or a doctor . She generally wants her level or higher Only way you can offset a large difference in socio economic status is if your physical stats are basically maxxed out as a man which very few man have. And even then it’s not a guarantee it works long term because women still want a man that fits all the boxes they can
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:28 PM
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The 80/20 would then become 95/5 or 99/1 because there’s not many men who would be able to fulfill their hypergamous needs both from an attraction and provider perspective For reference only 15% of men are 6’0 or taller and only about 15% of individuals make 6 figures so only about 2% of men check both boxes It would basically be a lot more BM’s and women accepting a position in a man’s rotation. Can’t change biology
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:49 PM
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They already do this lol. Shame, insults, guilt has always been their Arsenal when a man wants to enforce boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 11:35 PM
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That’s the difference between men and women. Men will suck it up and commit to duty because it gets the bills paid. They don’t take up useless degrees and complain about consumer debt . I have 2 masters degrees and I’m white collar and I will always give respect to my blue collar brothers. The world doesn’t run without them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 04:22 PM
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Men aren’t doing it for altruistic reasons but in a world where ppl talk about free choice and equality men still take these jobs disproportionately more than women who chose careers in the humanities . Even in a free society women don’t want the jobs alot of men have
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 04:08 PM
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If men don’t do those dangerous jobs society would collapse very quickly. I think a lot of women don’t understand how much men have civilized the world that they can make statements like that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 03:38 PM
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It’s good to be well rounded. Casts a bigger net
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:50 AM
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Yup As a man you have to take control and make things happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:49 AM
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Because men eventually learn even if she’s “high maintenance” there’s usually a guy who gets to smash for little to no investment if she’s attracted. Doesn’t hurt to feel the waters out .
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:37 PM
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Pick Me’s can still get sexual access from the opposite sex. Simps get friendzoned generally. Women say they want a simp but in reality that behavior is counterintuitive to attracting women sexually
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 04:21 AM
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That’s the irony . Women pick and choose when they’re strong and independent with their autonomy but want to infantilize an adult making decisions
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 02:29 PM
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All men want to have sex. But not all men ONLY want to have sex. Sex is the base regardless . Romance is dependent on who you choose and how they perceive you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:19 PM
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You know there are ways to get sex without making everyone else’s lives miserable right? You can either increase your SMV + social skills and circle Or go passport bro or pay for it But making everyone’s lives miserable for your shortcomings is pathetic and not becoming of a grown man . Do the work, or pay for it. Simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:06 PM
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Pining for sex not LTR/marriage. And your anecdotal experiences don’t change the data
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 02:52 AM
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Your social circle doesn’t represent the norm. We know what the average age of marriage is. Most people don’t meet their spouse at 28-32 that would mean average age of marriage is closer to 32-35
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 08:16 PM
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The proof is the numbers. The average age of first marriage is 28-29 for women. If a woman is 35 and never been married how are her odds suddenly better? Wouldn’t the average age of marriage be higher if being older was better ?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 07:47 PM
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Exactly I don’t know why they’re not getting it lol. The older you get the pool shrinks because those guys aren’t going to commit or have younger options
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 07:44 PM
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That makes no sense. I guess a better way to phrase it is their 23 year old self qualifies for a better quality guy than their 30 year old self on average
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 07:43 PM
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I said it’s mostly true for women. Obviously there’s a subset of fit attractive 30+ year old women but that’s a very small group. The average American adult male and woman are overweight. Most 30 year old women aren’t as fit and at the peak of their beauty like they were at 23. They’re usually 30 pounds heavier than college and more baggage
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:51 PM
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The older a woman gets and she’s still unmarried the lower her odds of ever getting married. This isn’t ground breaking news
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:22 PM
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Again, I am not responsible for people misinterpreting or not using critical thinking skills. I’ll just use my voice where I see fit . Like right now. If you don’t like being wrong maybe stop being on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:22 PM
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Lmfaoooooooooooooooooooo I’ll correct whoever I want. You can’t stop me
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:20 PM
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It’s pretty common sense idk why some guys don’t get it lol. If you’re attractive you can get away with shit
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:15 PM
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Women will always have sexual options. This isn’t new information. We’re speaking in the content of LTR’s / marriage Sexual attention and commitment aren’t the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:10 PM
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then tell redpillers to stop acting like it does I am not responsible for how people interpret information. Red pillers are not a monolith Hell a 23 -year old is more likely to have a lot of dudes wanting situationships Women have the most amount of sexual and relationship options from 18-25. The average age of first marriage for women is 28-29 which means they’re meeting their husband around 23-25 . This is where discernment comes in and dating with intention if you know marriage and a family i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:10 PM
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if women are not going to mate with much older men That’s the thing though. The older a woman gets the smaller her pool gets because she’ll prefer a guy at least her age or a couple years older. But those guys could just skip them for someone a few years younger, on his program, less baggage etc
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:06 PM
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Because most women complaining about age gap relationship benefitted from it at the peak of their SMV in their early to mid 20s but now have competition and have become obsolete for a relationship from the kind of men they want
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:04 PM
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The wall doesn’t mean you magically become ugly overnight once you hit 30. It simply means you have less viable options for what you’re looking for. And that’s mostly true for women. Most women don’t have the same options they do at 23 than they do at 30. Add in the fact that their standards have risen that also shrinks the pool of men she wants but that doesn’t mean they want her for long term
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 04:55 PM
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I like that men are waking up to the nature of women and we can “compare notes”. Whether it be good or bad traits we see. However, with gaining this knowledge, there comes a level of responsibility now and not rage or hate. You can either understand women or love them. But you shouldn’t hate women for what they are naturally. I think some guys get too caught in that red pill rage rather than adjusting or deciding what they want to do
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:49 PM
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Yeah lol it’s an exact response to free sexual market place dynamics. Women are free to do what they want which means inflated sense of SMV Just AF/BB on steroids now
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:45 PM
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Who said I’m 35? Lmfao deflection much Men control access to marriages . Women control access to sex
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:45 PM
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Yup plus there’s a reason why she’s still never been married by 35
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:32 PM
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Who cares what ppl think of you. You’re a man. Live your life on your terms
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:21 PM
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Most men cannot spin plates. Average Women can get FWB just by existing
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:37 AM
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Sex can’t be used up the woman could be
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 03:40 AM
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Most women will never outright admit it but the traits they select and desire the most are conducive to high n count men. It’s why when you look at n count studies the top 1% is like triple digits for men and like 30 for women. It’s 80/20
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:50 AM
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This is common sense but there will always be ppl virtue signaling
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:38 AM
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Single women keep women single .
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:33 AM
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Just because more men want constant hookups doesn’t mean they can get it lol. Women have the choice in sex at the end of the day. Only power men have is commitment and that’s if their SMV/RMV is high enough . Then he can have the woman leverage her sex for that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:28 AM
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It’s the whole husband material joke we talk about on this sub. No guy wants to be a consolation prize for a woman that used up the prize that men value . Women try to act dense about it but the same way you can’t force women to want a fat 5’2 jobless man you can’t biologically make men want older women with a higher body count more baggage and weight gain
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:26 AM
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Your last paragraph basically shows the disconnect . Only the top 10-20% have access to hookup culture that 80% of women have access to. Most men get sex via relationships. Only a woman could give that advice to other women. For men it’s more build your SMV and look out for those same women who come spinning back around after they wasted their prime SMV years
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:25 AM
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Personality is the sprinkles or fudge or cherry on top. Looks are the actual ice cream
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 08:22 PM
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I always ask upfront if she’s seeing other guys to gauge my level of investment. If she’s seeing other guys I simply keep it more casual and light. If she’s looking for the same thing I am exclusivity wise I know I can put more thought into it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 06:20 PM
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Yes chemistry starts the relationship but LTR and marriage is about duty first. Chemistry and love is fleeting
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 02:30 PM
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150k salary is top 5-10% of individual male earners 5’9 is a average male height Being fit puts you way above average. Most American adults are fat
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 01:16 PM
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he should be trying to make a connection with chemistry with a women not making a tick box shopping list Why is it a problem when a man has a list of standards . Especially someone who would theoretically be above average himself . You can’t build a relationship solely on chemistry and feels. There has to be compatibility . This is where men and women differ. Women care about feels and disregard compatibility .
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 01:15 PM
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$150k a year would put that guy in the top 5-10% of individual earners for men in the US. I think a better example would be a 5’10-5’11 , 65-75k a year guy with a bachelors degree . He’s above average but not necessarily top 10% in all boxes. A guy that’s in good shape is probably closer to top 10% as well. 2/5 American adults are obese
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 01:08 PM
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It’s not even about them knowing each other or not . There’s a reason he has able to attract multiple women . They selected those traits
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 12:51 AM
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If women’s dating choices were individualistic there wouldn’t be women sharing the same men. Women want what other women want. And women have baseline traits they seek in males
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 10:11 PM
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The bigger your social circle gets and the more women you know you’ll realize this is more common than you think . It’s like women who flirt with guys in the club who have a bottle section just to be there . There’s women who leverage pussy for accommodations, trips, dinners you name it. They’ll try to rationalize it but they’re basically modern day escorts
/r/seduction16/10/25 04:24 PM
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A win is a win
/r/seduction16/10/25 04:22 PM
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I’m interested to see how much halo effect will go away as social media, technology and ideologies similar to the red pill spread .
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 10:40 PM
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Men take what they can sexually get based on their SMV. Doesn’t mean they want that from a LTR. Who men want for a LTR isn’t necessarily what they want to just have sex with
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:04 PM
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I’m usually upfront with my intentions or flirting so if she’s not reciprocating I fall back . With women it’s easy to know if she’s not attracted to you because it’s all about her actions. I don’t listen to what she says I watch what she does
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 01:07 PM
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To play devils advocate you’re only using the nightclub as an example. Only the top 5% will really stand out in those settings. In regular social circles you can be top 20-33% and stand out. It’s about relativity . Putting effort into your apparences should be for you anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 08:57 PM
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Basically guys who cope themselves into monk mode thinking all their problems will go away once they turn 30. Their ceiling will probably be betabux because they didn’t improve their situation or themselves and didn’t learn about seducing women or relationships . A lot of guys think working on themselves is all it takes to get women but you have to understand the nuances of communication and people . No better way than having experiences. Whether good or bad
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 08:09 PM
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Attraction isn’t based in morality that’s just reality Attraction is a combination of status, looks, personality etc. Some women prefer all 3 or more of one than the other
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:42 PM
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As long as you keep yourself attractive you can pull in either direction
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:38 PM
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things get better in your 30’s because you’re more confident and knowledge Womanese for you make more money (if she sees you as a betabux) or you started working out, dressing better, grew into a higher SMV than her as her one declines slowly (artificially alphafux)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:32 PM
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Nope. A woman’s match is who she can get commitment from. A man’s match is who he has to use LTR/commitment to secure the woman to stick around. If a woman gets sex from a 7 but only the 5s and below want to commit. She’s a 5 If a man can get casual sex from a 5 but needs to use LTR/commitment to keep a 7 around . More likely than not he’s a 7
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 06:38 PM
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my divorced friends with kids has men literally begging to take her out Yeah to have sex. Women conflate sexual attention with actual suitors for marriage. What a woman can pull for commitment (LTR/marriage) is where she stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 01:15 PM
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What results have flat earth presented ?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 11:54 PM
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Can’t be outdated if the pill gets you results. The pill was a response to the deregulated sexual market. If it didn’t work it wouldn’t have a following
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 11:32 PM
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The results as to who they can get commitment from will tell you everything lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 11:23 PM
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Match just means that’s what you qualify for. No one is forcing you to accept that. It’s just giving you objective reality
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 07:06 PM
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No according to the dating market average women have more sexual options than average men. Doesn’t mean more LTR options
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 07:06 PM
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No one is telling you who to be attracted to lol . You can’t negotiate desire. But there’s a difference between looking at your looksmatch with contempt vs not being attracted
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:44 PM
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Ofc not . You can’t negotiate desire . I think the issue is women look at men at their level with contempt . Where a man knows his standing
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:42 PM
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It’s not what I alone think is valuable. It’s what the dating market thinks is valuable. People are drawn to looks, height, weight, status etc I didn’t make it that way. We’re just reporting what it is. Your problem is you want things to be an ideal of how things should be rather than what it is
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:29 PM
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That’s exactly how it should be. The marketplace determines your results or lack thereof. People gotta assess themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:25 PM
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By your logic the same could be said for the blanket statement “men want women to settle for them” . According to who? You?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:23 PM
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The problem isn’t men wanting women to settle The problem is women thinking their SMV match is settling when that’s literally their match lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:18 PM
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Yup . Average age of first marriage is 28-29 for women. So that first child probably comes by 30-32 for the average woman now. That means only a couple more fertile years to get 1 more healthy child. Which is why the birth rate has dropped to 1.7 children per family now Edit: Just checked the stats . Average age of first time mothers is 27.5 which aligns with the rise of single motherhood. Women are becoming mothers first then might get married or not but marriage rates have declined . So for mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:47 AM
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A 7 is like a top 80-85th percentile guy A 8 is like top 90th percentile guy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 04:00 AM
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There’s more childless men than childless women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:59 PM
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Anomalies don’t speak for the norm. You having to cherry pick mass shooters as your example goes to show how ridiculous what you’re insinuating is
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:24 PM
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Marriage rates are lower and coparenting rates are higher aka more single moms than ever
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:06 PM
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I See this all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:05 PM
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Not necessarily . There’s women who still pine for an ex they describe as an “asshole” Attraction and morality aren’t necessarily directly correlated
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:51 PM
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That’s the thing the dating pool is just as small for these women. They just think they have real long term options because of instant gratification via social media. Women back then understood their dating pool was small which forced them to make a decision about what trajectory they want their life to go. Women today think they have options but don’t . It’s just sexual options. This makes them prolong their decision until they’re out of time (speaking for women specifically who want marriage a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:41 PM
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Being a good man has nothing to do with having sexual access.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:32 PM
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Chris rock said it best Women don’t go backwards lifestyle wise Men don’t go backwards sexual wise Difference is today with women aren’t going back either sexually or lifestyle wise because they artificially risen their standards
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:31 PM
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Those guys had optionality so higher SMV. Height, Physique, face card etc
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:03 PM
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It’s the same message
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:03 PM
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Did you miss my last paragraph? That’s the point . They are yearning over the past
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:51 PM
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You’re choosing to focus on semantics instead of the message
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:50 PM
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Yes because of the deregulated marketplace causing hypergamy on steroids Let’s just use hypothetical SMV numbers A woman who’s a 5-6 becomes a constant hookup for a guy who’s a 7-8. He didn’t have to jump through hoops for sex and he puts in no effort nor does he ever give her commitment. This is a situationship as the woman eventually catches feelings and can’t secure said guy. Once that guy is out the picture that same woman thinks she deserves a 7-8 because of that encounter and any guy below…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:28 PM
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There’s two kinds of alpha widows The ones that got left or cheated on by the best guy by all metrics that they could get and no other guy measures up The situationship they could never get long term commitment from and again no other guy after that matches up . They both have the commonality of a woman not being able to secure long term commitment from said guy. Hence the melancholy like a widow would feel. It’s not literally her being a widow
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:21 PM
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Your last paragraph is wrong a alpha widow never got the long term commitment from the guy she wanted hence the widow aspect . This is where the whole situationship thing comes into play
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:19 PM
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Nah women do want commitment from the best they can get. The problem is they have to leverage sex for the top guy because they know their looks don’t match that top guy. So they’d rather be one of many to the top guy than be in something monogamous for a guy they FEEL they’re “settling” for (more likely than not that guy is actually in their range) What women fail to realize is what you can pull for commitment/relationships is where you stand on the market. For guys it’s what you can pull withou…
/r/seduction28/09/25 07:44 PM
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Basically virtue signalers
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 08:04 PM
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And the joke amongst all of that is most women don’t even know what misogyny means lol. They just use the term whenever a man says something they don’t like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:34 PM
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If 50% of marriages end in divorce wouldn’t you think it’s safe to say there’s a decent chance of divorce if you get married
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:13 PM
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What mini me’s are running around when the birth rate has declined ? Men aren’t looking forward to something that hasn’t even been happening
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 03:53 PM
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The average length of first marriages ending in divorce is 7 years hence the 7 year itch
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 03:52 PM
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How is that the case when birth rates have declined lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 03:33 PM
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I think this holds up to be true anecdotally. Many women just want the wedding, not actually being a wife or what comes with marriage. It’s why they initiate 70-80% of divorces. They think marriage is supposed to be about being happy all the time and grandiose gestures aka man monkey dances forever. Marriage is about duty even when you’re not happy. Only person responsible for your happiness is you. You can only add to someone’s happiness not be their happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 03:32 PM
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It was validating pre feminism and deregulated sexual marketplace . Now it’s an insult most of the time .
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 02:25 AM
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Your whole story sounds like you’re an alcoholic. You use alcohol to cope and your productivity revolves around it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 08:03 PM
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Dont
/r/seduction17/09/25 05:52 PM
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I’m talking about average men waking up to marriage laws
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 06:10 PM
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It’s not settling if it’s your looksmatch lol The market dictates what you get. For men your level is what you can get casual sex from. For women it’s what you can get for long term commitment. The problem is women over inflate what they think they deserve
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 12:37 AM
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Women want the whole package but most never get it lol . They take their frustration out on the average guy they “settled” for that’s the whole point
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 12:16 AM
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If it were that easy red pill wouldn’t exist and the average man wouldn’t be sexless
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 12:07 AM
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I get that and I agree you should leave when your needs as a man aren’t being fulfilled but a lot of guys don’t realize that until they’re married or legally/financially invested unfortunately . The average guy is just happy he’s getting female attention and occasional duty sex
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:15 PM
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Ideally you’d hope that in a relationship it’s like that but if she’s making you jump through hoops in the dating stage it’s only going to get worse as commitment and investment keeps going. Just a fast track to dead bedroom, infidelity , etc
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:02 PM
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Whenever women talk about men they only focus on the top % to make assumptions off of because that’s what they inherently go after. Whether it’s feminists complaining about CEO representation and not focusing on average workers or women thinking every guy has a harem when the average guy gets no play. They just project their solipsism
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:00 PM
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Yup the men complaining are upset that their female counterpart looksmatch on the SMV + RMV market looks at them with contempt because her standards have artificially “risen” because she had experience with a guy with a higher SMV (alpha/chad all these terms are just relative) keeping her as a FWB/never committed and feels that’s what she “deserves”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 06:59 PM
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I don’t think men deserve to be treated like chad. They just don’t want to be looked at with contempt and dissatisfaction . Like the woman who they got feels unfulfilled when she’s average herself . Because for some men the juice isn’t worth the squeeze . Basically have to monkey dance just for a woman to act like she “settled” when in reality that’s more likely than not her SMV match. I think some guys get jaded off the fact that a woman that is in their league looks at them at contempt when sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 06:55 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 08:45 PM
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Yup and they just need OP for the attention. They don’t want to be sexual with more than 1 guy at once but the guy they’re with probably doesn’t want to commit to them so they want to extend the branch with OP in case they need to monkey branch
/r/seduction09/09/25 07:41 PM
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Women do try to date the hottest men. Once they can’t get his commitment they “settle” for their looksmatch begrudgingly
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 06:39 PM
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If that makes you sleep better at night
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 06:29 PM
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Sapiosexual is a virtue signaling term . Attractiveness comes first. Knowledge second
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 06:28 PM
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I didn’t delete it lol Mods removed my comment <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 06:25 PM
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I’ve said this in a couple threads this past week but this particular discourse shows how solipsistic women are . It’s like they expect men to be grateful for the opportunity to monkey dance .
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:46 PM
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Lmfaoooooooooo this whole comment is a Red Pill
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 02:58 AM
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Yup I always tell women this. All men want to fuck. But not all men ONLY want to fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 02:57 AM
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I always put sexual interest/flirting out there to show attraction whether i view her as relationship material or casual. If you don’t lead with intentions you’ll just become an orbiter
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:25 PM
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You have SMV and RMV SMV is based on physical looks RMV are qualities that make her a good choice for a LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 06:43 AM
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This is just a long way of saying alpha widow lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:29 AM
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Women use terms like this to gaslight men . It’s always insecure, immature etc when it doesn’t benefit the woman lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:29 AM
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is this all just about competition That’s what happens when feminism led to the deregulation of the sexual market . It’s a free for all now
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:29 AM
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find someone with lower standards and less hoops That’s not the issue. Most guys that know game and their worth won’t do it because they know via experience if a woman is attracted she won’t make you jump through any hoops. Every woman has had at least 1-2 guys who didn’t need to invest to get her. The only people suffering are guys who aren’t experienced enough to acknowledge this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 01:54 AM
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whilst the top 20% can literally just choose and pick the woman they want I would say only the top 5-10% can really do that. I think top 20%-33% get choosing signals but they still have to do some pursuing. If you’re not in the top third you’ll probably have to carry more and “court” with very little reciprocation . If you see an average guy with his looksmatch or higher SMV wise it’s usually a woman past her prime or she has baggage like a kid or something
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:55 AM
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Women will date a man who’s not in the top 20% that guy will just have to jump through more hoops. Only autists think it’s absolute. When we say 80/20 it’s an oversimplification. 20% have more better access to casual sex and just a generally easier dating experience . Doesn’t mean only 20% get dates. The average simp can eventually get a GF. He’ll just be monkey dancing the whole relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:09 AM
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No woman is ever 100% single . She’s entertaining a man in some capacity . Women thrive off male attention. Even if she’s not sleeping with anyone she def has a couple orbiters . What I tend to notice is women generally sleep with one guy at a time but when things aren’t exclusive she’ll still get attention elsewhere while trying to secure that guys commitment in case things don’t work out she can monkey branch. It’s usually why if a girl isn’t intimate/sexual with me early on I just walk away .…
/r/seduction06/09/25 04:18 PM
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No because the woman feels entitled to a man outside of that 1% monkey dancing Whereas the guy who could literally be her looksmatch SMV wise is looked at with disdain. It’s rooted in delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:41 AM
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This isn’t revelational news everyone knows only a small percentage of men get access to hookups. The average guy has to get consistent sex via a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:39 PM
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Hookups are only available to a small portion of men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:05 PM
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That’s what most guys mean. It’s just women try to manipulate it to fit your description because they know they’re giving the relationship guy the raw end of the deal compared to men from their past
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 05:58 PM
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It’s really as simple as this response but women will gaslight men for having standards on women’s desire and attraction levels towards them. It’s like men are supposed to be happy to even have the opportunity to monkey dance . It’s solipsistic
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 05:55 PM
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people get more when they’re older Not when you’re attractive. When you’re attractive all those rules and standards go out the window. If you’re considered settled for you’ll have to jump through hoops aka monkey dance
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 05:53 PM
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More likely than not a guy who’s preselected is already attractive to begin with. If you’re naturally attractive you’ll have preselection just off assumption .
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:31 AM
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It’s a little bit of both. Undesirables wouldn’t get married regardless because they can’t but there’s definitely guys who are checking out of LTR’s or marriage . It could be the Beta Bux who doesn’t want to do the monkey dance or the alpha fucks who has more options than ever in the dating market
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 02:56 AM
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A woman being viscerally attracted to a man comes down to raw attraction. A guy with a naturally high SMV will have more sexual options which means preselection . I’m not really arguing against that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 02:55 AM
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Eh I think men are more objective than women when it comes to attraction and looks. All women call themselves 10 and be delusional about it. Men will know he’s with a 6 and be content with it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:36 PM
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How do you know that all successful guys don’t know about TRP? That’s a solipsistic statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:53 PM
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That’s literally why I said it’s only a threat from men they want…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:32 PM
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I mean you don’t have to tell me that lol we know this already. Preselection
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:12 PM
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With no fault divorce, marriage being used as leverage went out the window for the average man. Social media and the deregulated sexual market place means average men can only really use security as a bargaining chip because women have unlimited sexual attention. It’s a weird conundrum
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:12 PM
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It’s only threatening when it’s from men they want. Always have to add from men they’re attracted to at the end of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:51 PM
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Men will sleep with women who have kids but generally aren’t prioritizing marrying women with kids for obvious reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:42 PM
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If you mean 10% across the board? Probably not. Genetics play a factor there 10% in some categories like income, fitness ? Sure Once you average out all the categories a guy can probably break the top 1/3rd if he does everything . Height, face etc is out of his control.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:28 AM
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schrodinger's feminist. They’re both empowered and victims simultaneously. Have all the agency in the world with none of the accountability because Man bad
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 01:54 AM
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Yup it’s the same with the whole body count argument lol. Men and women’s attraction aren’t parallel. Same way you can’t convince a man to be with a woman with a known high n count you can’t convince women to want a 5’2, fat, broke, bald man
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 01:33 AM
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Ironic how the same women who complain about age gap dating used to be the same women who participated and benefited from age gap “dating” when their SMV was at their peak (21-25). Soon as their SMV starts dipping around 28+ all of a sudden the new set of women on the block that benefit are their competition on the deregulated sexual market place they want. Guys were told when we were younger that women prefer more “mature” older men so now that it’s our turn in the candy store we get gaslit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 01:26 AM
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people have different definitions of red pill People interpret ideas differently but the core ideas of red pill are clearly laid out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 09:12 PM
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Red pill is literally the opposite of running from your problems. It preaches self improvement and confronting modern dating problems head on
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 08:13 PM
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Very few men ever take the pill or get the epiphany .
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:40 PM
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I think you got it mixed up. Most nice guys lack boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:22 PM
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I think society raises men to be blue pilled but life eventually makes a man red pilled
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:17 PM
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I think there’s some truth to what you’re saying. Women are not a monolith. There could very well be women who hold out for everyone. But that’s so far and few that you have to just assume based on actions that the attraction isn’t there which is why she’s not putting out. Because once you’ve become more experienced and seasoned with women and they even let you in on their past you’ll realize if she’s genuinely attracted there’s no wait, no games, no ambiguity. So yeah, a woman could genuinely b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:16 PM
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😂😂😂😂😂 so true. Nothing red pills a man more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:13 PM
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Most men will never get to experience being a whore. Very few men experience much casual sex. The only men that are whores are the top 10-20%
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:06 PM
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Even a handjob or fingering is a sexual act. You’re stimulating genitals for sexual satisfaction . I had a home girl I would scoff at cause she used to claim she was a virgin until 22/23 but when I actually asked the right questions she had already received oral from 4 guys and gave 2 guys oral so yeah technically you’re a virgin in theory but men see it as a purity thing. You still sexually satisfied 4 guys or received pleasure from them. Even if it wasn’t penetrative
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:50 PM
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Not sure what you’re arguing here? Most men accept that women generally want a man taller than them that also has his life in order. It’s women that want to argue what morally should be right for women to accept instead of accepting that men and women don’t think the same
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:45 PM
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if you think it’s unfair then women collectively need to come together and stop dating slutty men Which will never happen because what women generally respond to sexually is not what they virtue signal. For there to be men with high body counts, women had to consent . The attributes the man developed to get that high body count attracts women. Women are generally attracted to the top tier of men and those men have sexual selectivity . The top % of men don’t have to settle for a woman who’s their…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:42 PM
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The argument is simple: Men don’t want women who have had past men because biologically men can’t determine paternity the way women can. Societal constructs have also made the consequences for men choosing the wrong long term partner to be very high so finding a woman who upholds values to his benefit long term and for raising a family is imperative. That’s the Politically correct answer
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:38 PM
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Again, men and women are allowed to have those general attitudes. The deregulated sexual marketplace is not moral. Women can reserve their thoughts about those same short men or broke men the same way men can hold their reservations too. It just seems to be an issue when these reservations don’t benefit the women in question
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:23 PM
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Honestly I used to subscribe to the median counts until I started dealing with more women and anecdotally what I’ve noticed is many seem to not count things as a sexual partner For instance, a woman will say her body count is 4 (PIV) but she sucked 10 dicks and probably got head from like 15 guys. Is that not 15 sexual partners ? But they won’t “technically count” it because it doesn’t fit their narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:21 PM
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So are women insecure for wanting taller, more successful men on average ? Women just use terms like insecure to gaslight choices they made that don’t benefit them on the market
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:15 PM
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Men and women attraction aren’t parallel Same way you can’t overwhelmingly convince women to date men that are 5’2, bald, fat and broke is the same way you can’t overwhelmingly convince men to date women who have a high body count. Our preferences and sexual dichotomy means we value different things. Not about what’s fair. And if we’re staying on that moral paradigm, women judge men for things they can’t control so men should be allowed to judge women for things they can control (weight, body co…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:14 PM
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People need to understand the dating market is not moral and biology isn’t moral. It’s the ugly truth and society has civilized us not to think about it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 06:24 PM
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Being nice isn’t a precursor to getting laid. If you’re attractive you can basically do whatever . Most men aren’t getting laid in general. They just take cues from what is working . It’s like seeing a trust fund child get a D in school but still get the job and people gaslight the guy who went above and beyond in extracurriculars and grades to just keep applying and putting himself out there. The game was over from the inception. The first guy already had his spot secured with no effort. Just n…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:21 AM
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Yup it’s putting the cart before the horse to be kind . Be attractive first
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 12:13 AM
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The stats prove it too. Average age of marriage for women is 28-29 and 30-31 for men . Assuming they dated for a few years they probably met around 23-26 for the woman and 27-29 for the man
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:59 PM
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It’s not that you don’t mean cuddling . It’s that cuddling is an intimate act that’s usually a precursor to sex for most heterosexual adults. It’s setting the stage for it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 10:15 PM
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Only time I hear this is if someone is trying to trickle truth the fact that they cheated with the opposite sex “We just cuddled” keep digging and you find out they fucked lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 04:21 PM
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Sure but men are still held to that societal standard no matter what any of us on Reddit can say. A woman can opt out of her duties and there will always be an excuse made for her by society
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 03:46 PM
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Difference is men are still expected to provide for the woman they chose to wife and are sexually attracted to her . Men are still expected to hold up their end of the social contract in relationships/marriage A man who gets beta buxxed by a woman gets looked at with contempt and he can’t have any sexual expectations because it’s her body her choice so she doesn’t have to hold up her end . She could say she doesn’t want to do domestic duties either and go nuclear and there’s no repercussions. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 03:28 PM
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You articulated it perfectly it’s almost the same as the whole age gap argument . I saw a video earlier on IG with these men and women on the podcast and the guy basically encapsulated the same argument. Feminism lied to women or rather created this deregulated sexual market and when men take it into their own hands to adapt it’s an issue (men at a certain level in their 30s and 40s not wanting to date women in that age bracket) . Women don’t like losing optionality but are perfectly fine with m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 03:10 AM
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Who said that? Sounds like projection
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 09:01 PM
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Status alone will make you betabux You need looks too or there won’t be genuine desire. Just utility
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:40 PM
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Who men fuck and who men LTR are 2 different things. “Dating” is a loose term. Some people consider FWB/sitiauationships dating when it’s not
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 05:20 AM
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Nope. She’ll never respect him subconsciously. It’s like an ultimate shit test to have an ex who cheated try to come back in your life. Her ceiling is a fuck buddy after she cheats. Can’t even FWB her cause she’s not really that good of a person to be considered a friend
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 02:25 AM
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If you trust a car with 7 different owners you deserve the headaches that come with it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 01:06 AM
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If given the option would you trust a car with one previous owner or 7 previous owners? Ideally, would you buy a new car off the lot instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 12:37 AM
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It’s funny when I read titles like this because women are the ones engaging the most in hookup culture and have perpetuated it the most. Men are simply adapting to the new rules women rewarded a small pool of men by. Men always adapt to what works.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 12:31 AM
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So are women insecure for generally wanting men more taller and stronger than them? Same way you can’t convince a woman to date a 5’2 guy you can’t convince men to date a known high n count woman
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 11:15 PM
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Rich Chad = Alpha Bucks He’s basically a guy who’s both physically attractive and has resources. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s sharing it with women. He has his looks to leverage that. He can pull a woman off the first link Beta bucks is a guy who has to lead with his resources to get a woman . He can’t leverage his looks to get a woman. He’s the guy that has to wait 90 days for sex and take her on extravagant dates for months .
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 07:38 PM
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Idealistically that’s what women want but they don’t have the SMV to lock that kind of guy down so they have to settle for short term encounters while they get security from their looksmatch but the problem is women consider their looksmatch settling
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 07:35 PM
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No it literally confirms AF/BB lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 07:34 PM
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It’s still better to be fit and short than short and fat
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 06:28 AM
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You literally worded it perfectly. The whole point of virginity is tied into the purity aspect. Just because you weren’t penetrated doesn’t mean you’re pure. There’s other ways men get access and that’s a turn off
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 10:42 PM
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I thought in the movie the rich guy was very much into her. He did the initial pursuing and courting . He kind of even chased because she wasn’t initially interested . She chose the very poor man at the end too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:47 PM
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You can hold money but the other person may not reciprocate. When you have sex you both are experiencing it simultaneously
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 03:51 PM
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women often exaggerating their relationship status with the men they’re interested in This is a big one. My ex was with 2 guys before me who didn’t believe in titles but basically wanted the benefits of a relationship (situationship essentially) and she even let one move in with her for a year and change and whenever she said ex’s or guys she dated I always clarified that for her. Those guys weren’t relationships or dating lol they were just basically a step up from FWB. You kept asking for comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:59 PM
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The average woman is 5’4 180 and size 16-18 in dresses. That’s borderline obese .
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:55 PM
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This is so true lol. Especially the “I never had a boyfriend” types. But they conveniently never mention the multiple situationships because they aimed too high SMV wise . There’s also the technical virgins but sucked multiple dicks types . Like just cause you never got penetrated doesn’t mean you’re a virgin . Like at what point do we draw the line with sexual encounters
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:48 PM
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Sex is a tangible exchange. You can’t fuck resources or time that you gave up
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:43 PM
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Sex is a mutual exchange . Resources and time are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:37 PM
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Anyone can be an asshole regardless of looks. The more attractive you are, the more you can get away with it because of the halo effect
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:37 PM
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From my real life anecdotal experience most women try to use casual sex as a back door entry way into a LTR by the guy she finds most sexually desirebale in her vicinity . The guy most of the time rarely commits and it becomes a long term situationship. Most women want LTR’s and maybe once in a while they’ll have a fling or two but they’ll try to leverage something casual into something long term if they can. They’ll even accept being in a harem hoping for commitment if he’s really her type.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:05 AM
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I think people make it a monolith instead of using a more nuanced lens I think it comes down to proximity, timing and looks. If a woman is looking for FWB she’ll take the best looking guy she gets at that moment for it. There’s even women who do a parallel to the “nice guy” thing and try to FWB their way into a LTR. I think the reason so many guys try to use the whole Chad thing is because being attractive is the barrier to entry . If you always on top of your fitness, wardrobe and game you’ll a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 10:31 PM
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IG/FB/Snap still exists and I’d argue it’s more effective than dating apps The world is more globalized than ever. People just have to adapt by 2025 rules. You can’t use 1950’s grandparents advice in today’s deregulated sexual market . You’ll never get laid or you’ll be a simp/cuck in the making
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:57 AM
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I’m not pushing her boundaries. I’m simply walking away. I don’t deal with women who suddenly have rules for me but not other men
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:59 PM
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Even if a woman told me this I’d walk away because from experience most of the time she’ll break her “rules” if she likes you. She’ll make rules if she’s lukewarm. If it’s not a fuck yes it’s a fuck no
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:29 PM
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It’s already been proven. Men across all age groups find women around the ages of 18-24 most attractive . It’s always been the premise a woman’s highest SMV will usually be around her early 20’s Even on a regular citizen level, the average woman gets married around 28-29 and the average man gets married around 30-31. They more than likely started dating around mid 20’s the latest
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:05 AM
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This lol. Relationship or not I’m always in the gym and still dress well and groom myself (weekly haircuts)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 12:41 AM
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The bar is very high. They don’t call it the 80/20 rule for nothing. I think being a top 20% guy gets you in the door with some choosing signals but in reality unless you’re top 5% or higher across the board you will not be drowning in sexual options specifically . As for relationships you’ll have an easier time than average men who are basically invisible to women who are 6 or higher
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 04:16 AM
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Honestly I used to think there’s women that are “different” but from what I’ve found all women are capable of what I’m describing under the right circumstances. Just takes the right guy or scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:06 AM
5

She still wants someone better than her across metrics
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:21 PM
16

Exactly lmfao don’t listen to what they say watch what they do
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:20 PM
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It could if the guy decides he wants it to be long term
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:18 PM
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I think guys who have experience already know this. Once a woman isn’t putting out sexually she lost desire and is checking out or has even started an affair whether emotional or physical. Only inexperienced men can’t grasp it. There are women who weaponize sex as well but that’s a different category
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:02 PM
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Yup the worst thing you could be to a woman is boring/invisible. There’s amazing > Toxic > boring/inisible/mid
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:30 PM
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If you’re attractive to a woman she’ll delusion her way into believing you’re a good partner
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 07:51 PM
4

Well yeah but it’s obvious women have more sexual options than men. It’s always going to be that way . The average woman has as many sexual options as a male b list celebrity at least
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 04:19 AM
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I think women move on faster because most women will emotionally check out prior and or monkey branch to the next guy to secure something before things end
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 04:10 AM
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I don’t think anyone is really saying women should give anyone a chance. I think the complaints from some ppl are that women think they’re settling for guys who are at their SMV level. I think social media and instant gratification has made 4-6’s think they deserve the top pool of men when they’re just hookup material for men at that level and would be better suited with a guy who’s also a 4-6 for their LTR goals (if they want that) Because once the late 20s early 30s come those same women compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 03:07 PM
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Ppl don’t realize that being fit enhances your face though . Lower body fat means less fat and more of your facial structure being revealed via cheekbones and jawline . So in essence being fit does matter . Most guys aren’t going to look their best at 25-30% BF
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 07:56 PM
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Guys who have a work out routine and are fit, dress well, have high paying careers, lots of hobbies, take care of their appearance, an exciting social media presence, and are well educated are doing just fine . Well duh lol. That’s like the top 10% you just listed if we go by statistics. I’ll be generous and say top 15-20% but it’s probably less. This just proved the 80/20 rule. Only about 1/3 Americans have a bachelors degree, the average American man is borderline obese and definitely overweig…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:23 PM
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Microsoft outlook autocorrects lol touch grass
/r/seduction15/07/25 03:57 PM
6

White knights to be specific
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 03:46 PM
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some are pretty fit( and they’re all at or over 6 feet tall The average man is borderline obese and 5’9. Only 15% of men are 6 feet or taller. Add in pretty fit and you’re looking at top 5% bare minimum. Maybe closer to top 1%
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 02:25 PM
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I mean I’m not denying your claim. But to a guy that just sounds crazy lol “Yeah I let him fuck off rip while I made you wait 3-5 dates but trust me I like you wayyyy more”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 12:53 PM
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Men can compartmentalize sex vs commitment . It’s usually women that catch feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:37 PM
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The guy with the hookup wins more times than not . He gets to have sex without investing and if he’s attractive enough she’ll pine for commitment and get delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:26 PM
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They still got to smash with less investment
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:25 PM
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A lot of times the guy who’s dating for LTR has to invest more than the hookup guy who’s gets sexual access with less investment because she has more innate desire for him
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:09 PM
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You proved my point lol. The guy y’all hookup with is the one you desire and break those rules for because of that desire. The “husband material” guy who’s your SMV match is what y’all consider “settling”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:08 PM
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That could never exist for women because women will still fuck a man they hate but still gives them tingles. You can’t negotiate attraction or desire or respect
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:51 PM
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It’s not us denigrating it. Rather, us men have observed the lack of congruency in what women have told us
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:48 PM
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Men will still fuck and respect their wives though. For women they look at the husband material guy with slight contempt depending on her past .
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:39 PM
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I think for all intents and purposes we all assign husband material to the beta bucks simp who may have gotten lucky 1 or 2 times but mostly was just a relationship guy who couldn’t really garner attraction from women and got “settled for” (his wife is actually the same SMV but women consider that settling) The fact that we can even imagine this scenario when someone mentions husband material just goes to show how much of an insult being husband material has become in society due to the deregula…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:37 PM
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Nope because the guy who gets to fuck can still tingle his way into marry. A lot of times the guy who gets killed isn’t fucking or getting a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:34 PM
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If that’s the case why are grown people engaging in it lol .
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:32 PM
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If it’s nothing why have one
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:29 PM
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You can be confidently self assured still want to be desired. Men logically found out that the guy in the past got access for less investment so logically that makes a man question his standing. Feelings aside, it’s only logical someone would think that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:28 PM
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Actually for married men they’ve reported a decline in weekly sex by 14% from 2000 to 2018 https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psymon-says/202303/how-often-do-couples-really-have-sex/amp
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:26 PM
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What women say and what they do are two different things. A lot of women will say FWB is fine but deep down have an ulterior motive to eventually get the guy to be monogamous. Leads to a situationship
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:08 PM
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guys that are hook-up material are immediately not considered for marriage You mean women can’t keep those guys around to commit during her prime years so she has to marry a guy in her league. FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:02 PM
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Your dildo still gets to fuck you with no other prerequisite for sexual access.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:00 PM
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That’s not true at all lol. There’s a lot of guys who weren’t hookup material who became husbands . Most guys body count is 6-8. A majority of those came via a relationship. Betabux and deadbedrooms wouldn’t be a thing if husbands had the hookup qualities
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:44 PM
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This honestly sounds like projection
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:40 PM
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Getting sex via authentic desire as the hookup guy is literally the epitome of being loved for you. If anything the husband material betabux is the one that’s being loved off what he can provide
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:30 PM
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That’s anecdotal though 10-15% of marriages are dead bedroom and the average married couple only has sex once a week
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:17 PM
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I always say this Most women want the hookup guy to be the husband guy eventually. He can push for a relationship later on if he wants most of the time. That’s how women have a couple situationships in the past they grieved over because they couldn’t secure commitment But the husband guy might not necessarily have incited that same authentic desire. Hookup guy gets the best of both worlds
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:15 PM
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If he’s getting sex does it really matter whether or not he’s obsessed ? Lol that just sounds like virtue signaling . If it ain’t broke don’t fix what’s working
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:13 PM
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Attractive people can get away with double standards Sexual market isn’t about what’s fair
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 03:55 PM
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Well a lot of my ideal traits in LTR’s are non-negotiable . I see LTR/Marriage more in terms of practicality and compatibility whereas short term is more SMV/looks focused . If a woman fits 80% of my looks/non negotiables that’s fine . As long as she fits my non negotiables. I’m not getting into a monogamous relationship unless she comes the way I need her to be on my program
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 09:03 PM
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Have you ever taken a statistics class and seen a bell curve?
/r/seduction28/06/25 04:19 PM
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I try to tell most guys this. People use 8,9, and 10 way too sparingly . Most women you see everyday are 5 maybe a cute one is 6. 7 is probably the most attractive woman you’ll see for a minute. 8’s and up are basically model tier
/r/seduction27/06/25 09:55 PM
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I make it known from jump my basic expectations as to what I’m looking for : Casual, something serious etc. if she’s dealing with other men she’ll never be in the serious box for me . But when it comes to getting into a relationship and outlining boundaries I do that too. For instance I’m not committing myself to a woman who still keeps in touch with ex’s , entertains convos with other men, close male friends etc. Those are my standards. Take it or leave it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:35 PM
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Those were my sentiments too. He should be passively implementing dread based on stats alone . I think communicating these issues could work. Once he puts it out there and then starts implementing some early level dread she might pick up on it But to your point a woman that’s not putting out is either checked out , cheating or isn’t attracted . If I gotta give an ultimatum to see change that just means she isn’t right for me to begin with. Being that she’s just a GF I would just tell her i don’t…
/r/askMRP24/06/25 03:12 AM
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Never ashamed to have your standards. You always have to match a woman’s audacity with your honesty . You have to be willing to take the L to get your point across. I peeped your lifts. Good stuff dude. Keep putting in the work. You’re not even in your prime
/r/askMRP24/06/25 12:36 AM
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If you can’t change the woman, change the woman. Especially if you’re putting in the work like OP. If he’s really that guy he should have options
/r/askMRP24/06/25 12:26 AM
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I mean she’s just a girlfriend if she’s not giving you as much sex as you want and isn’t willing to change that just find someone more on your program assuming you’re doing everything as outlined I’m assuming you’re doing all this because you want to and not because you’re her dancing monkey on her terms. The point I’m getting at is she entitled to not give you pussy, but you’re entitled to not be in a relationship with a woman not putting out to your liking. Especially considering how much you …
/r/askMRP24/06/25 12:25 AM
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It’s more emphasized now due to the 80/20 gap. You have to stand out more
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:53 PM
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Men adapt to what society promotes. Women reward it despite what feminists will say. If societal norms didn’t work men would adapt
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 01:13 AM
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A reasonable take
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 10:42 PM
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Even if she does rebound you charge it to the game. Once the relationship isn’t on your terms and she dips that’s a win for you anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 06:37 PM
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She def can replace sex and attention easily but those guys aren’t going to commit and the ones below a certain SMV are just going to be orbiters anyway. Either way my boundaries get respected and upheld and she ends up in a catch 22 because she lost my time, attention , commitment and sex
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 06:36 PM
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I mean that’s the whole point . Like Patrice O neal said “if your girl left you today what would you really miss about her?” I totally agree the average guy doesn’t have much leeway but that’s why you self improve and build your life to the point that even if she leaves you still have a life of your own . I’m a firm believer that the woman has to be on my timing . It’s my way or the highway and if she leaves so be it. Relationships (primarily LTR) need to be on the guys terms to be successful
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 06:34 PM
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In 2025 as a man your best bet is to build an ever engulfing social circle that’ll put you in position to meet new women on a consistent basis. The more social circles you have, the more known you are . Sometimes your name gets thrown around passively . Doesn’t even have to be in the club either although you can start there . Just be social with all walks of ppl. Best analogy I give is when I was in high school I never believed in cliques . I blended in and touched base with almost all types of …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 07:40 AM
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Women are allowed to have their preferences in men . Men are allowed to have their preferences in women. You don’t question why women prefer taller, broad shouldered, deep voiced men with facial hair on average Same way women need to understand men generally have a look they gravitate towards on average as well. Are there exceptions ? Sure. But that’s for the individual to search
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 08:35 PM
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I personally find septum piercings unattractive. I wouldn’t LTR a woman with one. It’s purely anecdotal but no woman I’ve met with that or a lot of tattoos ever displayed LTR qualities. It’s almost like they filter themselves out of my dating pool. I put them in the short term category .
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 02:40 PM
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You can think strategically about every aspect of your life but at some point you actually have to go through with whatever plans you have then reassess as you go along and see if it’s benefitting you and fitting your timeline
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:08 PM
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Once you have a child and sign your name to confirm paternity you’re paying child support regardless . That’s why DNA tests need to be mandatory but that’s a whole different discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:19 PM
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I don’t agree with no fault divorce because it takes accountability away. You could wake up tomorrow and say you’re not feeling it and cite no fault divorce It’s a lazy cop out
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:13 PM
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That’s the risk. Once that starts happening you could lose a lot. That’s why you have some guys who feel the only way to win is to not play
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:10 PM
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I think big weddings are a waste of money . Any woman I’m with I tell them from jump I don’t believe in a big wedding so if they want that they need to go somewhere else. Rather use that money towards a house or investments
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 07:42 PM
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As a man I’m kind of split 50/50 on the discussion of marriage There’s part of me that wholly stands for a strong nuclear family and marriage promotes the best outcomes for raising children but my issue is that in today’s day and age men have the responsibility in marriage with no authority . Because of no fault divorce it gives too much leverage to women. There’s no accountability. Dead bedroom (women don’t owe you sex which is true but sex is a big part of marriage and relationships), infideli…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 07:40 PM
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In todays day and age women are having more consistent sex than men. Most men go on droughts so they don’t get experience. By the time they get into an LTR the woman is more experienced than him
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 07:16 PM
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My theory on the orgasm gap is that due to the fact that only a small percentage of men get a majority of the casual sex (80/20, 90/10 etc) the majority don’t really have much practice and learn how to pleasure a woman and learn a woman’s body. Not even just PIV sex either but learning multiple ways to make a woman orgasm Most men’s sexual experiences are from 1-2 LTRs and even then there’s no guarantee he was giving mind blowing orgasms because the woman he was with was probably incentivized vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 11:16 PM
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Damn it’s 56% now ? That’s 5/9 marriages
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 01:07 AM
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Elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:41 AM
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The market determines your value. Whatever your results are will tell you your standing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:47 AM
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Women are more red pill than men they just don’t realize it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 12:18 AM
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This too. What women say they want vs who is getting to smash is different
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:34 PM
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The guy on the left still has a good amount of muscle on him. He’s just more lax with his diet . Plus bad lighting made him look unflattering to over emphasize the results on the right in better lighting . Anyone who’s into bodybuilding and fitness knows how it goes with posing and angles
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:34 PM
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My whole issue is in the left and right pic the guy is probably working out the same amount the only difference is on the right he’s dieting and tracking his macros better. Maybe extra cardio. Guy on the left probably took a couple years to develop that base of muscle to cut down to. The women who are saying they don’t want the guy on the right cause he’d live in the gym don’t understand as a natty that guy on the left probably works out the same amount as he did in the after pic. He’s just lax …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:32 PM
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Men aren’t intimidated by success generally. That’s just women copium as to why they can’t attract men while not understanding men and women are attracted to different things (SMV/RMV) Men care about physical looks first and foremost and whether or not you’re peaceful or insufferable. A lot of women who lead with only their success usually lack in the looks department or are not worth being around
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:01 PM
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And I’m saying what I think is irrelevant because the market will determine whether or not whats she’s looking for is attainable for her or not
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:56 PM
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The market will determine if her standards are reasonable based on who’s willing to give her commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:47 PM
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When you’re attractive it doesn’t matter what ppl think. The market determines your value regardless. So you’ll see the results or lack thereof. Internet is just an echo chamber
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:16 PM
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Yup that’s something a lot of guys need to understand. Having a boundary is one thing but if you don’t actually enforce it and stand on it that boundary is just words. Words mean nothing with no action behind it
/r/TheRedPill23/04/25 07:10 AM
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I always tell a woman these are my standards. If you don’t like it there’s the door. You wanna be with me? You need to be on my program idc how it sounds. My ex used to say I was too controlling and I reminded her of her father (she was always rebellious growing up) . I always said the door is there. I can’t control your actions but I can leave a woman who isn’t on my timing. I ended up leaving her cause she cheated on a failed branch swing attempt when we were in a rough patch but so be it. Can…
/r/TheRedPill23/04/25 06:15 AM
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If your SMV is high enough you don’t have to bring anything to the table lol. It’s just AF/BB on steroids now
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 05:44 PM
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How do you quantify love lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 11:14 PM
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Lmfao no worries I was so confused
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:33 PM
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Its not. You can love someone and not tolerate their behavior so you walk away. Inversely you can tolerate behavior you don’t like and be in a relationship but you’ll be miserable
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:30 PM
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Men have unconditional love but not unconditional tolerance Women have unconditional tolerance but not unconditional love. A man can love a woman and put his life on the line to protect her but more than likely walk away if his respect is compromised. A woman can tolerate a lot but check out emotionally from the relationship and not be “in love”. A woman won’t sacrifice her life for her man. Only a child will get that type of love from a woman. It’s why a lot of women will give you the “I love y…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:25 PM
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Yes those are RMV qualities not SMV qualities
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:18 PM
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Outside of your preselected filters are you going to acknowledge the numbers I provided?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:54 PM
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Do you know what the word average means? And what it encompasses?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:51 PM
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It does down the line but upfront it’s looks first
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:50 PM
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SMV- Sexual market value (physical looks) RMV- Relationship market value (relationship LTR qualities)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:50 PM
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Dude even if we filter by demographics she’s still above average lol. I don’t think you understand how fat most Americans are Even for the average 30-39 year old woman she’s above average. The average in that demographic weighs 175 pounds.. that’s like a size 12 dress
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:44 PM
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That’s your belief though . We don’t know what he looked like. If he had the options to cheat he probably couldn’t have been that unattractive SMV wise. Most average guys get no play
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:32 PM
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Wym? By definition average would include all women in the US. A woman who has her measurements would objectively be above average
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:27 PM
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What’s phenibut? I’ve literally never posted such a thing if you’d care to elaborate what post that is. Lmfao if you’re talking about the natty or juice sub that’s people who claim they’re natural but take PEDs to achieve their desired physique I’m pretty clean cut . I don’t smoke and I rarely drink unless it’s a vacation. I wouldn’t date a woman that smokes (weed, cig’s, hookah etc) and drinking would have to be at a minimum . So I agree it’s all lifestyle
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:22 PM
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OP could very well be all of what you said but again, the market determines what you qualify for. Not a bunch of ppl on Reddit lol. Results are results . Game is game.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:20 PM
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Over 6 feet, 6 figures, over 200 pounds with a fit body. Facially 7-8
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:18 PM
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Being physically attractive isn’t enough to get commitment from men. SMV + RMV
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:17 PM
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If a guy isn’t your first choice and you have to force yourself to like him there won’t be any raw desire and the most he’ll be is the provider male
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:16 PM
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Having a high IQ doesn’t mean anything SMV wise And having a high libido doesn’t mean you’ll get commitment from said men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:07 PM
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Tbh if OP is truly a 25” waist she would be above average. The average woman is overweight and 30-35% Body fat . Average American woman dress size is 14
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:03 PM
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my advice is to get on tinder This type of advice is why women keep women single lol. Most men on tinder are there to just smash . And yeah you could theoretically bail at every red flag but who’s to say that OP qualifies for men at that caliber anyways? Even if she matches with those aforementioned guys only if they offer commitment will she know where she stands .
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:59 PM
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She could but then that guy would just have his ceiling stuck at BB forever lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:56 PM
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ideally average looking Yeah I agree a lot of ppl don’t know what average means objectively vs subjectively. The average man is 5’9 198 with a 40 inch waist. That’s a 5 basically. Most ppl’s real average is actually more like a 7 which is pretty above average . Just being 6’ tall as a man puts you in the top 15%
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:55 PM
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You’ll know what you qualify for when you put yourself out there. I’m speaking more so to the quality of men from an SMV perspective. In regards to RMV those are things you learn about through dating and getting to know someone . But in regards to raw looks you’ll know based on the market
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:53 PM
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The market determines that. If you’re not getting the kind of man you want to commit to you that’ll give you your answer . And for men if you’re not getting the kind of woman you want to sleep with you that’ll give you your answer
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:46 PM
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Tbh I’m pretty direct with what I want from women. And if a woman is giving me mixed signals I just move on. Women make it easy when they want to fuck with you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:40 AM
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Women being attracted to experienced men and men not being attracted to experience women for LTR’s is sexual dimorphism
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:12 AM
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No. I actually prefer educated women. Most men will be with a woman in their socio economic class Most men just don’t use a woman’s education as their basis for attraction. It’s a nice cherry on top but physical attraction is first
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:58 AM
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It’s not desireable behavior . I don’t see it as good or bad. I don’t want that in someone I would make a wife and mother
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:41 AM
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If you want to go down that route lesbian relationships have the highest rate of divorce and Domestic violence . Stop moving the goalposts
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:40 AM
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No. The higher the body counts the more fried her dopamine receptors are to pair bonding with a man. Instant gratification with different partners on the more emotional gender means she won’t know to last with one guy long term. Or she won’t be a good bet at least. And for most men and the way marriage laws are set up we need to be sure we cover all bases
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:39 AM
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No one said bad behavior. You’re being defensive. The same way women are allowed to have standards rooted in biology so are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:37 AM
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Facts lol SIGN language is so annoying
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:35 AM
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Never said it was universal. Nothing is universal. It’s just a majority of ppl
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:31 AM
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Past behavior gives a good indication of future behavior. There was a study that shows when a woman has higher n counts the divorce rate increases
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:30 AM
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Maybe not to you but to a majority of men it matters to who we give our commitment to. Key word commitment. If it’s a FWB no one cares
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:26 AM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:25 AM
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It’s a feature not a bug. Men needed to know that the kid is their kid. A promiscuous woman makes that hard to know without a DNA test. Height and muscle mass is self explanatory. Men protect
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:24 AM
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Women are attracted to men who are attractive . That’s indisputable. Attractive men have higher n counts. Preselection is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:23 AM
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Men care about body counts biologically the same reasons why women prefer taller men with more muscle mass and wider shoulders. I think the problem is everyone goes straight into shaming mode instead of accepting men and women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:09 AM
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Again , you’re projecting your own feelings on other guys instead of watching their actions. Why do you think dead bedrooms exist for guys in relationships ? The woman loses respect and attraction for a guy. If a woman doesn’t respect you you’re not going to be in a position to fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 02:53 AM
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Women’s actions will tell you if they respect you or not. Fucking them is a part of that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 02:37 AM
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Women will fuck a guy they “hate” as long as she respects him and is attracted to him physically .
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 02:22 AM
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So keep her as a plate
/r/TheRedPill06/04/25 10:08 PM
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Honestly I’d be annoyed with a woman like this . Why do you keep entertaining it
/r/TheRedPill06/04/25 10:01 PM
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Don’t listen to what women say, watch who they fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 05:05 PM
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I put it as simple as this : Men have higher ceilings than women. Women have higher floors than men. Majority of men will never reach their ceiling .
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:10 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 06:21 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 06:21 PM
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I think ppl in general try to be neutral in work settings . Work is a PC space
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:29 AM
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This just sounds like projection all I’m saying is men don’t want to be step fathers. You’re moving this way out to left field
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 01:36 AM
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It’s a self fulfilling prophecy for those types lol . Those are the type of women who men don’t keep around to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 01:04 AM
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Children aren’t baggage. Another man’s children are baggage. There I fixed it :) Signed most men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 11:24 PM
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Anecdotal experiences don’t represent the norm. Most single mothers don’t get married compared to women without kids. No one is saying it’s impossible but realistically being a single mom lowers your chances of finding a man to wife it up
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 10:39 PM
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I get that but if you’re going to only focus on beauty for low RMV material then don’t be upset when you get low RMV results which will affect all aspects of your life
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 10:38 PM
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So you’d sacrifice your principles just for the sake of looks? That’s how simps have messed up the dating market
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 10:26 PM
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Combativeness and politics are two different things. I wouldn’t wife up a woman who wasn’t on my program and not seeing things in a similar way
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 10:19 PM
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If you don’t have kids and you get with a woman with kids you are settling in terms of RMV not SMV. Her SMV could be higher than yours but your RMV is much higher than hers just off the fact that you’re not bringing living baggage
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 10:05 PM
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Living with a partner isn’t marriage. How many of that half are actually married? The average age of marriage in the US is between 28-31 and like you mentioned from first date to marriage is almost 5 years which proves my point that women have to leverage their peak SMV years to secure a LTR aka early to mid 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 10:03 PM
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Men are waking up to women’s BS in general. Part of that is the rhetoric is being the clean up man for a woman with baggage
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 10:01 PM
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This should be the pinned comment on this whole thread. A woman with kids can still get sex. Assuming she’s even relatively attractive. She just plummeted her odds at a LTR though. Men will fuck single mothers. We just won’t wife them for the most part
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 10:00 PM
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I’m not saying it benefits women or they should remain virgin or low n counts. We are all adults with free choice. The problem is most women want to have their cake and eat it until they hit their late 20s/early 30s and complain that no one wants to wife them up when they wasted their prime SMV years. Men are starting to wake up . And women don’t seem to understand or conflate the difference between sexual attention and men who genuinely want to make them a wife. In some communities only 1/4 or …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:47 PM
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Trust me I know lol. I used to watch his videos nightly . Women calling in were so lost and delusional. He leaned more trad but his overall talking points really highlighted how delusional women today are when it comes to what men want out of women
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:42 PM
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The whole process of dating, relationship, engagement and finally marriage can range from 2-5 years . I believe the average is 2.5 years of dating. But that didn’t specify if that was from the initial first date to marriage or from when they were officially monogamous. Some report 3.5 years. eharmony reported that the individuals “knew each other” for an average of 6.5 years . If you’re getting married by your late 20s early 30s odds are you met around early to mid 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:41 PM
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Same with men who’d rather be single than play step dad lol. Men are waking up
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:39 PM
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9/10 can accept a woman who’s not a virgin . We understand that based on today’s society women past a certain age had sexual experiences. A kid however, we can not. It’s living proof . And having a kid has a thought process behind it. If you’re a single mom it just says bad decision making. Women control access to sex and choose to keep a baby. You chose to do that under the context that you weren’t a wife and this man wouldn’t wife you. So why should the next guy “step up”? It’s a bad deal
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:36 PM
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Literally I’ve given the same speech to so many of my single female acquaintances. If you hit the gym, lose the combative attitude, and subscribe to marry before you carry you will have a pool of men willing to at least entertain you . From there you need to have skills to secure the LTR, but you’ll have a shot at least. The average American is overweight. Just being fit and childless at a certain age will set you apart
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:34 PM
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Men would rather be single than be step fathers. Same way women are choosing to be single because they can’t secure a man of higher SMV for an LTR no matter how unrealistic. I don’t think a lot of women understand or empathize with why a man doesn’t want single moms
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:32 PM
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And tbh I’ll even go as far to say that for women that are 5-6 or higher even if they don’t have kids but are still single past 30 she fucked up somewhere along the way because if you were looking for marriage during your prime years there were plenty of suitable guys in your SMV range or even slightly higher but you did something or didn’t have the skills to get commitment . Or you have flaws that’s not conducive to an LTR that a guy can scope out. Statistically speaking most Americans get marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:11 PM
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No because there’s more childless men than there are childless women. Most men don’t want to raise another man’s legacy. Most men want the woman they get in a LTR with to also not have kids. More men would rather be single than have to play step dad There’s just too much baggage associated with single mothers and honestly there’s literally no benefit to being a step parent . At least if you’re going to be screwed over as a guy in the modern dating world you can be screwed over on your terms. Dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:02 PM
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^ this
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:59 PM
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If we’re not compatible we can go our separate ways. Part of compatibility includes sexual compatibility .
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:36 AM
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Yeah that’s nice and all but as a guy whos experienced you’re not going to blue ball yourself when you’ve dealt with women who gave it up without having to jump through hoops before. You’ll just walk away
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:27 AM
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I make every guy jump through hoops There’s def nuance to things. A woman who’s only slept with guys she’s been in a relationship with will get some leeway but that’s far and few . And honestly it’s hard to gauge how attracted a woman is to you without sex. Same way you don’t know how invested a man is until after sex
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:02 AM
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Yes a lot of men lie and aren’t authentic about their intentions when they literally don’t need to
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:58 AM
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Most women claim to be healthy but end up doing it. I don’t listen to what women say, I watch what they do and respond to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:57 AM
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No doubt about it. Everything in life revolves around relative proximity. But to even get that unadulterated sexual access which will result in more time being spent together is due to him being the desireable partner. The BB guy has to court her and jump through hoops
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:55 AM
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I mean more power to you but if a guy just wanted casual sex it just sounds like y’all both got what y’all wanted
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:54 AM
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Huh? I’m saying you don’t need to lie to women to get consensual casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:53 AM
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No what I’m saying is the guy that’s already seen as hookup material can get the relationship if he wants that. The husband material guy is already viewed as the provider upfront most of the time with little desire. He had to jump through the hoops of “courting” and leveraging commitment to get sexual access
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:52 AM
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That’s fine that you don’t hook up but my point still stands that as a man it’s better to be the guy that doesn’t need to jump through the hoops. Essentially be the guy she makes it as easy as possible for .
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:51 AM
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You don’t need to lie to get pussy . I just think most guys do it to play it safe . Even if it results in less success you know she was on your program
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:51 AM
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It does and I empathize from that regards because women have more to lose with causually sleeping around biologically but it’s the reason why I’m upfront and set boundaries. My mentality is the door is there if you want to leave if you don’t like it. And very rarely do they leave lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:48 AM
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Your story just goes to show why a lot of guys want to get to hookup material rather than be default husband material. Having the raw desire of a woman to get her hooked and imprinted essentially means he can get the best of both worlds. The hookup guy can transition her to a relationship but the guys she required relationships out of got cheated on cause they were placeholders she probably used for stability. I don’t condone cheating but it’s an extreme example of how far imprinting goes for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:46 AM
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Always been honest. When a woman is attracted to you she’ll be delusional and lie to herself . Even before I discovered TRP I was always blunt about it. I think TRP only exacerbated what I noticed in regards to AF/BB dichotomy where they’ll make the guy they don’t really like jump through hoops for the pussy or make that guy use the leverage of a LTR to get play whereas a guy who she’s genuinely attracted to can do whatever he wants on his parameters . Once you’ve been with enough women though y…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:33 AM
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Your last paragraph basically encapsulates the fallacy in the OP 1:1 argument . A man is sexually attracted to both the Madonna and the whore. And for your average schmuck he probably couldn’t get whores to begin with. He probably needed to leverage commitment to even have access to sex. Whereas with AF/BB a woman who’s a 5-6 still has sexual options regardless. She just couldn’t secure commitment from the man she really sexually desires and will inevitably dead bedroom the Betabux. Essentially …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 04:20 AM
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I think for a lot of guys part of it is their halo effect towards women in general that they were raised to have so it’s almost an existential crisis seeing everything you’ve been told is a lie. Then you have anecdotal cases of women who look like they have their head on right (educated, decent career, 2 parent household) choose that consistently which ultimately leads a lot of men to realize there has to be some consistent trait they’re missing. The reality is women are attracted to certain tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 08:03 PM
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Best comment here. You don’t have to keep a roster or lie to anyone if you know you genuinely are loooking for something serious. If I want to just smash and keep it at that I say that. If I want something serious I say that. I’m always willing to take my ball and go home if she’s not up for what I’m up for
/r/seduction26/01/25 10:22 PM
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Tbh when I was younger with more free time I used to be on this timing but I’m always upfront with my intentions. If I see a woman with qualities I like I let her know upfront I’m looking for something serious or not. And I always ask if she’s dealing with anyone else too so I keep my expectations in check accordingly . If she’s lying I wouldn’t commit to her anyways and cut things off. Juggling women is too much of a chore these days for me personally unless they’re all just FWB/fuck buddies . …
/r/seduction26/01/25 10:20 PM
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This should be the first thing people point out . With men we are looks first, personality later. It’s different to varying degrees for each guy but speaking in generalities physical attraction comes first I think women tend to conflate things and don’t look at the context to cope. Men don’t dislike smart and confident women. We just want to make sure she’s attractive and pleasant to be around first. The other stuff is the icing on the cake. It’s like when women say they have options but it’s re…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 02:59 PM
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The average age of marriage is 28-29 for women in the US. Assuming you date for 3-5 years it’s pretty reasonable to assume she didn’t have the skills to get that ring. Let’s assume those 4 relationships were 18-22, 23-27, 28-32, then 32-now you’re telling me you didn’t have 1 guy propose? Accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:06 PM
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4 LTR’s during your prime years and you couldn’t secure the highest form of commitment (marriage) from a man says a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:04 PM
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If marriage wasn’t the goal it wouldn’t be a LTR those parameters would be defined. Cope harder
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:03 PM
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college fling A fling and LTR are 2 different things . That’s womanese talk for situationship they couldn’t get commitment from lol I think 4 LTR’s and no guy wanted to wife it is a reddish flag. Especially during prime SMV years for women. Could signal they’re too stuck in their ways or have flaws not conducive to a marriage and starting a family with. Not even an engagement
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:45 PM
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Yeah there’s some context to all of this . This is relatively fair
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:34 PM
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Yup it’s about patterns and consistency. I don’t listen to what people say. I just watch their actions and patterns
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:06 PM
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Agreed. That 3% are usually anaomlies like she has a low n count, is new to dating or having casual sex or she’s only had sex with men she’s been exclusive with on her end. But those behaviors tend to go hand in hand but are far and few. If a woman isn’t intimate with me early on I just fall back. I’d rather someone who sees me as that guy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:04 PM
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It’s reality. Many men have accepted that. It’s usually women that don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 10:33 PM
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If they don’t improve their SMV they face the consequences of being alone . It’s accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 09:31 PM
5

Getting a partner means you’re desirebale enough on the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 08:46 PM
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At the end of the day the market determines what you deserve
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 06:36 PM
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Seduction isn’t only about hooking up. If you’re in a relationship you have to continuously seduce your woman . Seduction is a lifestyle and mindset not a tool on the belt
/r/seduction09/01/25 11:45 PM
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This is why being in a relationship is like hard mode for some guys. You gotta be able to check shit and stand your ground with boundaries or the woman will lose respect for you
/r/seduction09/01/25 11:25 PM
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I wouldn’t necessarily say be toxic or women are attracted to toxicity per se. I just think women throw all the standards they have out the window when they find a guy who they’re genuinely desired/attracted to and they have sex with. Then they get delusional . Hence situationships . My ex always used to refer to her two past situationships as relationships and she painted it as a victim but once we were talking about the situations I had to correct her that she willingly agreed to entertain guy…
/r/seduction09/01/25 11:23 PM
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Exactly. A relationship with a woman without genuine desire sounds miserable. Once you’ve had a woman genuinely desire you you’ll never tolerate anything less
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 02:25 AM
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You’ll never fully know that for sure man .
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 02:23 AM
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Risky choice. You can always become the husband later on but you can’t teach genuine desire that the “risky choice” has And honestly it’s not a black and white archetype like you wrote it out. You can be stable in your career and life but make yourself attractive by grooming, hitting the gym, having a good wardrobe + game. As a man once a woman knows you won’t tolerate her bullshit and can righteously walk away from her that’s what makes you “risky” . Most of the safe choice guys don’t rock the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 02:22 AM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 08:52 PM
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Happy wife happy life Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 08:51 PM
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A lot of people conflate college degrees and earnings. As someone with 2 graduate degrees I’ve seen peers who are women get degrees in majors that are useless from a ROI perspective and their partners who went into trades make double what they do College degrees in STEM related fields are the game changer but most women don’t gravitate towards STEM/Accounting or High Finance. Most gravitate towards liberal arts
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 08:50 PM
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Definitely 1. My happiness is paramount. I’m only getting in a LTR/marriage if she’s fully on my program. Not to say she can’t have an opinion or raise her concerns. But ultimately I get the final say or the relationship just wouldn’t seem worth it to me. What’s the point of responsibility without authority
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 08:48 PM
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In regards to your last paragraph that in itself is boundary/ultimatum in a way. If you don’t correct xyz I will have to leave this relationship that no longer serves me. I agree you don’t have to act butthurt while communicating it but you have to be willing to walk away regardless. Otherwise it’s an empty threat .
/r/TheRedPill02/01/25 08:45 PM
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At some point though having boundaries will ultimately lead to an ultimatum in which you have to remove yourself from behavior you deem unacceptable. You can be invested without having a scarcity mindset cause you have outcome independence
/r/TheRedPill02/01/25 08:42 PM
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Soy boy is their BB. You’re the AF
/r/TheRedPill01/01/25 02:02 AM
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Good answer
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 10:04 PM
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Why does he need to propose at the beach is the bigger issue for me . Sounds like she cares more about the ring than the relationship. Women makes rules for the guys they don’t really desire. If this was the guy she really desired he could propose to her anywhere she’d just be happy she’s being chosen for marriage and lifetime commitment which men ultimately control
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 11:12 PM
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Men are loyal to duties . Women are loyal to their feelings. Unfortunately many men were also raised “happy wife happy life” so they don’t prioritize their own happiness. Women instinctually do what “feels” right to them. It’s why so many men get the “I love you but I’m not in love with you” speech
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:22 AM
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It’s because the hookup guy has the qualities that would probably get him the closest to conditional loyalty as possible. The “husband guy” is usually looked at with slight contempt subconsciously . Women feel they settled for their looksmatch instead of securing commitment from the hookup guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 07:45 PM
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Women can choose the partners they qualify for. The problem is the de-regulated sexual marketplace has given women an over inflated sense of where they rank. Men control commitment. Women control sex. Marriage rates have declined . Single motherhood has went up
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:40 AM
5

Highest divorce and domestic violence rates
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 07:15 PM
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Just because a woman is married to a guy doesn’t mean he was her ideal choice . It’s usually woman could get commitment from her ideal so she went to Betabux guy for commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:24 AM
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That’s great? Idk what you’re getting at
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 02:38 AM
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That’s such a strawman I never said that lol. Both men and women are dishonest. It’s just that when it comes to dating men are more likely to say what we actually want AND respond to. Women usually give you a gift wrapped answer from the frame of a guy she already desires. The key is they don’t say what’s desirebale. You have to make yourself desirable as a man
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 02:37 AM
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It’s SMV dependent. An 8 can say things a 5 won’t. Again it goes back to what actions are conducive to getting your desired outcome
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 02:36 AM
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I think it’s the opposite. Men are finally learning about female nature and have combatted that by going for results rather than feelz
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 02:34 AM
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Don’t listen to what women say. Watch what they respond to .
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 02:33 AM
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That’s what happens when women say one thing then fuck another lol. Lack of congruency
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 02:32 AM
3

The deregulated sexual market ruined marriage and relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 03:30 PM
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Just because men are daring doesn’t mean men are delusional to where they stand on the dating market. A 5/10 guy can get with a 8/10 tonight but that’s not his new baseline to what he expects he deserves . He chalks that up to a lucky night. A 5/10 woman will get pumped n dumped by someone who’s a 7/10 guy and now that 7/10 guy is her new baseline as to what she expects from the next guy not understanding the first guy didn’t even want a LTR with her
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 02:57 PM
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I would say men are more realistic with where they fall on that totem pole . Men also don’t consider their looksmatch or SMV match to be “settling” It’s usually a woman who considers her match to be “settling” cause she feels she deserves higher
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 02:23 PM
1

Only acceptable answer. If you don’t like it you can go but don’t let her bitch you up
/r/askMRP21/11/24 10:31 PM
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Women have safety nets in society that allow them to always be taken care of. Whether it be the government, women’s shelter, simps, beta buxx men there’s always someone that will come save a woman. Men have higher ceilings because the most powerful people in a majority of fields is men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 06:05 AM
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I think this is the key point. If you both earn good money but she just happens to make more than you it doesn’t really matter. Especially when from anecdotal experience I would say we as men know how to manage our finances better. My ex made 15% more than me but I had way more savings and made better financial decisions. I think the key for any man is to make sure you have all your shit on point regardless (finances, physique, frame, sex game) when dealing with a woman so that she doesn’t take …
/r/TheRedPill20/11/24 09:33 PM
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Women have higher floor men have higher ceilings . But pound for pound the average woman has more advantages than the average guy today
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 07:57 PM
1

I don’t buy that. Cheating never just happens. There were a series of actions that puts you in a compromised position to cheat. She may not have wanted to cheat subconsciously but putting yourself in position to is more than enough to dump her. Texting other people, hiding things, meeting up with them 1 on 1 it’s always a series of actions not just an accident
/r/seduction20/11/24 06:12 PM
11

Women are naturally red pill they don’t even realize it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 01:19 AM
5

LMFAOOOOOOOOO
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 01:18 AM
2

Agreed on that end. But that’s where spaces like TRP actually talks about self improvement to put yourself at the top compared to other guys. It’s all a competition at the end of the day
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 11:31 PM
2

That’s the thing. A lot of women were delusional during those years thinking they qualify for a certain guy when she was just a situationship. In reality she really qualified for a bob. It’s not about passing on chad it’s about being realistic because now Bob gets a jaded lesser version of the girl while that girl wanted to have her cake and eat it . Those average guys suffer in that regard
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 09:26 PM
1

Sexual attention vs attention for a LTR is different
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 09:24 PM
1

I’m not disagreeing with your premise because that is what happens to most BB guys. The point I’m making is women don’t like that choice . They consider that “settling” when in reality that’s what they qualified for. And subconsciously they treat that guy like that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:51 PM
7

The strawman goes crazy lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:42 AM
7

And attention from men doesn’t mean commitment. A lot of women conflate sexual attention for willingness to LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:37 AM
1

Anecdotal experiences don’t represent the norm. And you said it yourself you didn’t put yourself out there. Can’t get attention if you’re locked away
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:34 AM
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Most women misuse the word dad bod. You ask a woman what she thinks a dad bod is and it’s basically a guy who still has to work out 3-5x a week but is more lax with his diet so he stays around 18-22% Body Fat. It still requires a lot of hard work and discipline a lot won’t be able to comprehend. Especially if he’s natty. A lot of women will say they hate gym rats but don’t understand how much work men need to put in to actually achieve and MAINTAIN a half decent physique lol. Just goes back to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 04:32 AM
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It’s not about not dating much at all. If you knew being a wife was a goal you should’ve approached that like any other goal. You should’ve leveraged your peak SMV years on securing a man who wanted to be a husband and start a family . But for a woman who’s 30 with little baggage you just have to market yourself to men in that age range looking for marriage but you have to be realistic and understand that you may not qualify for the top tier men as you’ll be competing with women younger and or h…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:53 AM
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They aren’t “less powerful” in the sense that they have no value . They just don’t have the same pull they did in their early to mid 20s to pull the kind of man they want. They consider their looks match to be settling
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:01 AM
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Men and women peak differently. Men gatekeep marriage + LTR women gatekeep sex
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:37 PM
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Yes but that is assuming you meet your partner around 23-26 and get started on that journey which is when most women try to over leverage their peak SMV. Next thing you know they’re 28-30 with nothing but situationships
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 10:38 PM
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people normally date for 2-4 years before getting married This is the key point I try to explain to so many of my female acquaintances approaching 30 who don’t quite understand the logistic of marriage and the life they want to live . And I’ve seen it first hand. The same options they had in college they took for granted and now at 26-30 all they have are cyclical situationships .No one is looking to wife it . Some ran up the N count, gained weight, became more jaded and combative . Some just ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 10:05 PM
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Based on self reported numbers they’re about the same . I know people can lie on surveys but I don’t want to use anecdotal experience
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 01:13 PM
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Handjobs and fingering are sexual acts as it results in sexually pleasuring someone else until climaxing. Technically she wasn’t penetrated vaginally by a penis hence the term “technical virgin” but they’re still sexual acts nonetheless. For me when I think virginity I’m assuming someone who hasn’t done any sexual acts of that nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 05:34 AM
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Is she a real virgin or a technical virgin? Most women I know that were virgins (no type of sexual activity) until 30 did so out of religious reasons until they found a husband . Then there’s girls who sucked dick, got head etc way past 21 but claimed virgin status cause of no penetration but wanted to “wait for the right guy” . In the first case I can respect that more. The second case is whatever too but I just side eye more because it just seems disingenuous. If you did sexual acts you did se…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 03:53 AM
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I’m not saying women cheat more than men. I’m saying men are more loyal to the duties associated with the relationship. Meaning even if a guy cheats he isn’t leaving the relationship. He cheats out of gluttony or the wife not fulfilling her sexual duties as a wife because emotionally she’s not feeling it. When a woman cheats most of the time it’s to monkey branch to the affair partner. Men don’t do that. Once women check out emotionally so does their loyalty and the relationship is done . For me…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 03:40 AM
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One of the most upvoted posts on this sub ever was from a woman who became bi and started dated women and began sympathizing with men for what she experienced . Women require more emotional connection. They’re more loyal to their emotions. Men are loyal to their duties of being present in the relationship. The thing is emotions fluctuate. You can’t live your life off a woman’s emotional frame. You have to lead . Can’t pander to her ever changing whims.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 06:31 PM
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This mindset will get you betabuxxed. You should aim to be successful and build wealth but it should be for you. Using it as a means to get women will get you used. Looksmaxxing should be just as important. Leading with your wallet without genuine desire attached is a recipe for disaster in todays sexual marketplace
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 06:40 AM
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Women constitute more college graduates but tend to graduate in majors that don’t pay as high as men. Hence the reason why the gender pay gap is a myth. Men dominate STEM related fields which naturally pay more. Women gravitate more to liberal arts and social sciences which don’t pay as much. Men still earn more than women on average
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 04:09 AM
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If I saw this post 10 years ago I would’ve said you’re paranoid After living life this is one of the best posts I’ve seen in a minute.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 06:10 PM
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These are the kind of women that are only good for casual fun. Women like this have an underlying attachment problem which leads to them craving male validation. When they don’t get it they either jump to the nearest guy giving it or go on chase mode. You don’t want someone who only wants you out of their ego feeling bruised. There should be authentic desire . If you have to play mind games there isn’t raw desire
/r/seduction02/11/24 12:08 AM
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Those traits are usually correlated with a higher n count for a man
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 10:44 PM
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I promise you those same guys who were successful in those endeavors you mentioned translated to success with women. Pretty high correlation actually
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 07:55 PM
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It’s a subconscious praise. For a man to be able to get sex from many women he has to have a lot of factors going for himself that displays attractiveness. Could be looks, competence, charisma, muscularity, good career/power. It’s basically proof that other women deem him a viable product. It’s like HR seeing a candidate with a PhD vs a high school diploma. The high school diploma person may have 30 years of experience but the PhD shows a level of competence they had to achieve and was bestowed …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 07:52 PM
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Beautifully put. Probably the best comment I’ve ever read here. Ties back to Patrice O’Neal. Your happiness is most important and it trickles down to her. Don’t try to negotiate or nice your way out of your happiness
/r/askMRP31/10/24 06:18 PM
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I stick to my policy of being direct and upfront with my attraction and intentions. I’m not trying to friendship my way with a woman knowing I’m sexually attracted. I’m always willing to take the L and go our separate ways. She’s free not to want me but if I get rejected I’m doing it on my terms
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 07:12 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 12:28 AM
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Dating vs exclusivity is different. If we’re casual idc what you do. If you want my commitment this is what comes with it. If you don’t like that cool I wish you all the best. If you’re on board great. I’m always willing to walk away so should you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 07:19 PM
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I find it funny how this question was for men but it’s flooded with women lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 07:07 PM
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There’s a difference between a woman you’d just smash vs a woman you’d be in a relationship with. Women conflate the two
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:36 PM
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No external male attention/validation at home
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:15 PM
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Subconsciously most of the things women do is for male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:08 PM
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It’s not control it’s boundaries. Every relationship fundamentally should have that. Boundaries are for you not the other person. You’re free to do what you want but being in a committed relationship with me requires xyz. If you don’t want that you’re free to go. No one is putting a gun to your head
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:07 PM
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Agreed. People need to look at both SMV + RMV when looking at LTR’s. Pure SMV is just for short term
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 05:08 AM
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She hates how much she loves him . Love and hate are a fine line. For women respect is love. They’d rather fuck a guy they hate but respect than fuck a guy they see as a spineless orbiter and she “likes”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 04:06 AM
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Rollo talks about this as an evolutionary trait that women had to basically rewire themselves for the next guy . Basically your track record means nothing she’ll make you the villain and focus on the next guy that pillages
/r/TheRedPill27/09/24 07:43 PM
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This is exactly why I don’t believe in being friends first. There needs to be raw attraction first
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 07:14 PM
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That’s the whole joke with feminism and independent women out there lmfao. They want selective equality but when push comes to shove their biology doesn’t change the fact that they like traditionally masculine men There’s no feminists in a house fire or war
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:47 AM
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Just a couple of tibbits : it’s a good feeling when you’re the only guy who’s ever broken up with her when she’s used to doing the dumping . Clearly conveys value and abundance on your end that you’re fine without her. Women’s drug is attention and emotional validation. When you’re the best she could do and you remove that from her it creates this override on hamster mode. Her ingrained biology literally can’t take rejection. So they overcompensate isn’t it ironic that the ones that always want …
/r/TheRedPill15/08/24 05:49 PM
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Average age of marriage in the US is 29-30 I think so I would imagine most people dating their life partner from 25-26 the latest
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 12:16 AM
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Difference is men still desire women more than women desire men. Women find most men unattractive that’s how some BB end up getting dead bedroomed. Men will still desire his wife . Maybe not in the way he would a supermodel but men are more realistic and understand 80/20 more than women
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 04:18 PM
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Demisexual is just hamstering they use to justify guys they actually lust for. Most “demisexuals” I know will fuck a guy just based solely on looks. All the other factors are just the cherry on top . It’s the inverse for average joes they gotta show all those intangibles upfront so she can say his looks don’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:44 PM
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Even if you want a LTR that doesn’t mean you let yourself go . And in this case the guy in question is basically a betabux but he doesn’t see it because he’s “comfortable” . Had he worked on himself in terms of looksmaxxing and gaining dating skills through a RP lens the same way he was able to attain a MD he would be able to leverage himself to get someone who genuinely desires him . Not a post-wall CC chick who made him wait 7 dates to finally smash
/r/TheRedPill26/07/24 03:27 AM
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Sarcasm dude lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 06:15 PM
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How do you confirm body count lol they could just lie
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 02:23 PM
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Better to be the guy that’s lusted over when it comes to women. Can’t negotiate desire. Women will fall in love based on emotions anyway which are voliatile For women it’s better to be loved because men already lust women at a baseline level. With love comes commitment from men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 02:03 PM
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Anecdotal experiences doesn’t reflect reality
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:17 PM
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Most women literally do. You ask most women what they perceive as average and they’ll give a high percentile number .
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:08 PM
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Being 6ft alone is top 15% if you add in conventionally attractive that’s more like <5%
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:02 PM
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women have never been pursued by “elite men” such as athletes, actors I agree with this premise but I think overall women have more delusional standards than men based on the fact that they don’t understand numbers. Simply put a guy who’s 6’0 or taller is only 14-15% of the population. Add in 6 figures and that’s only 1% of men who fit the criteria and we aren’t adding other filters like facial aesthetics, physique, racial preference etc. Most women assume the average guy is that of above. When …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 05:49 PM
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Because women aren’t attracted to average men. Women want the top 20%. Men like most women. Women aren’t attracted to the majority of men so they’re either orbiters or ghosted
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 04:27 PM
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Not every scenario was a guy planning to weasel his way into romance via friendship. It’s usually a case of proximity and familiarity. Over time people develop bonds which can lead to that .
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 03:01 PM
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It goes both ways. No one is entitled to reciprocate romance. And no one is entitled to your friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 02:40 PM
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Why do I have to care about what other people want at my expense?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:32 PM
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If a guy is betabux he probably isn’t attractive enough to get casual sex easily hence the reason why he’s in a relationship with a woman who doesn’t desire him to begin with. Most men can not get casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 12:19 AM
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The wall for women is more so for men they really desire committing to them long term. At the end of the day women can always snag a betabux or have access to sex relatively easily if they really wanted to. Only issue is the betabux will get dead bedroomed or just not get the desire of past guys or if she decides to go the single life she’ll probably feel lonely because women in general don’t crave casual sex the way men do because of testosterone. The wall isn’t some magical forecfield. The ave…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 03:08 PM
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It’s not rules it’s generalities . If you can get FWB but can’t get commitment you need to look in the mirror . Vice versa for men if you keep getting friend zone instead of FWB or relationships you need to look in the mirror
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:54 PM
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why isn’t that guy calling a 7-8 woman for a booty call Because when it comes to people around the same SMV more investment is required. When you’re a couple notches higher you don’t have to do much investing hence booty call
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:53 PM
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Numbers are subjective but you can generally tell who’s more attractive out of a pairing. Being within 1 level SMV wise is pretty common. Once you reach 2 levels and above you know someone just wants what’s easy and convenient . For guys it’s getting the easy FWB for women it’s getting the betabux simp
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:50 PM
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No it’s not lmfao. By that logic the average woman who’s the 3AM booty call for a 7-8 should be able to get commitment but she isn’t Just because a guy will fuck you doesn’t mean he’ll wife you. This is why so many modern women end up in situationships. They think they deserve higher than what they qualify for. Men will fuck someone with a lower SMV because it’s easier . But who he goes for long term will be more closer to his SMV. If you’re the poster child for FWB and situationships as a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:44 PM
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women don’t want to hang out with people who believe women are lesser humans . Hypergamy says otherwise. But nice strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:21 PM
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What you can get for commitment . A guy will smash 1-2 levels lower because it doesn’t require as much investment
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:20 PM
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For sex yes. Commitment no
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:19 PM
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No. For men your league is who you can consistently get for FWB/short term stuff without investing or commitment. Getting sex as a man is harder than for a woman. Men gatekeep commitment For women their league is who they can get to commit to them long term. Getting sex as a woman is easy . A guy can smash below his SMV. But who’s willing to commit that’s different. The issue is that women conflate who’s giving sexual attention only vs who wants to give them commitment. A guy can get lucky and g…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:19 PM
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We have adapted to 21st century rules it’s called TRP. Y’all just don’t like that once adapted it means men catch on to the game
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:14 PM
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Well women and men reportedly cheat at the same rate but women file for divorces at a 80/20 rate so there’s more to it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 01:19 PM
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considering how many women divorce and break up with their husbands if they’re caught cheating Tbh for some guys they wouldn’t mind a divorce for a miserable dead bedroom marriage so it’s a win win. Worst case scenario they get a divorce and don’t have to deal with that anymore . Best case scenario it’s dread game on steroids.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:51 PM
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Because mens currency is our time, attention, and resources. Women’s currency is sex. If you’re investing in a woman giving her all 3 and you’re not getting anything you’re her time hoe. Odds are She’s giving her currency to a guy who probably doesn’t even need to do that investing
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 09:34 PM
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It was plausible deniability . She was telling you that to see if you’d stop but she was allowing you to get physical. You shouldn’t have told her you were going to make out. You should’ve simply done it. Actions matter most as a guy
/r/TheRedPill28/06/24 08:46 PM
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Will Smith’s marriage is what happens when you don’t put your foot down to shit tests early
/r/seduction13/06/24 04:07 AM
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Single women keep women single
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 04:02 AM
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The real question is how much of a gap does someone have from their floor to ceiling in terms of SMV?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 06:52 AM
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They still want that even after they “mature” . But they want the security of a guy as well so that’s how AF/BB happens
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 07:38 PM
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lol you’d be surprised plenty of college educated baby mothers in NYC who grew up middle to UMC
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 07:19 PM
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And this is the problem . What’s average to your proximity is anecdotal. That does not reflect statistical reality. Your “average” is top 20% that skews your perception
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 04:37 PM
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If you’re getting hookups and dates this is just you choosing to be single
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 09:28 PM
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You probably lack game/social skills/experience
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 09:05 PM
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You could have all the top 10% qualities on paper but if you have no game or social skills it’ll be like a Ferrari parked up in a garage or a Ferrari in the hands of a 16 year old with only a permit You need game + looks + status + experience to unlock your full potential otherwise you’ll have to use what you have and over rely on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:42 PM
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Game + Looks + Status
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:37 PM
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Yup I made that exact point. It’s hard to quantify car vs percentile . Most millionaires drive Toyota and Honda and then there’s those that could afford Germans
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:36 PM
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Np bro
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:33 PM
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I put salary . About 90-95k
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:32 PM
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Way less than that. 1/3 men between 18-30 are sexless the past year and average men only have 7-8 lifetime partners so that doesn’t average out to many partners a year
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:31 PM
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80th percentile male height in US : 181 CM or 5’11.25 Income: ~90-95k Weight/BF: Sub 20% BF probably 180-190 pounds if adjusting for height . Average male (50th percentile) is 5’9.3 198 pounds and 40” waist so basically overweight and 30%-35% BF Approximate physical appearance: probably a 7-7.5/10 . Not a model but objectively attractive to all races. Body Count: 10-15 . Average guy only has 7-8 lifetime partners . Value of his car: either higher end Japanese car (Lexus, Infiniti) or entry level…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:28 PM
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Their beliefs went out the window when they ran into a guy they were attracted to like most women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:11 PM
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They treated the men who were left leaning feminists like beta bux and treated the conservative guys like alpha fux
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 06:37 PM
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Women want the LTR with the guy they’re fucking too it isn’t mutually exclusive . The problem is they make the relationship guy wait because she doesn’t desire him A guy will desire both the LTR and the FWB girl. Only difference is that he won’t make her wait
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 06:36 PM
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The physique part isn’t that hard tbh bro. The average guy is overweight/skinny fat. Even being relatively fit puts you in the top 20-25% Income gotta get those degrees and job hop
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 06:33 PM
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Bingo
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 04:55 PM
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Women will fuck men they hate but respect . Respect and good looks keeps the pussy wet
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 04:55 PM
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This LMFAOOOOO. I’ve had FWBs in the past who were super liberal feminist BS agenda but all that went out the window cause I’m attractive. Regardless If I lean more conservative
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 04:54 PM
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So what other means of evidence could a guy use? At that point it’s just he said she said
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 10:57 PM
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Text messages showing the girl invited you to her place, or she said she wanted to come over and do it and if she’s texting you afterwards fawning over you telling you she’s feeling you and she wants more that wouldn’t be congruent with any allegation
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 10:39 PM
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Yup and always keep text messages + receipts
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 09:34 PM
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Not options for commitment. Women always have more sexual options but not relationship options
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 03:48 AM
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How is it far from the truth? Most men are not lining up to date single mothers or obese women past 30
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 03:37 AM
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Your argument literally proves the point lol. Men understand that chad will fuck the girl with the lower SMV easier than he would. A girl who’s a 5 feels she’s settling for a 5 but will give it up easy to a 7-8
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 12:46 AM
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Not imposing sexuality is the reason why he won’t get pussy. You need to create sexual attraction to get women. Full stop. It’s not about being a creep and it’s not about winning over feminists . Who cares what people think
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 09:17 PM
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That whole scenario you described was betabux lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 05:31 PM
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Men actually understand what they qualify for on the SMV market women don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 05:30 PM
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That’s funny because there’s Chads that don’t want high n count women for LTRs either lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 05:07 PM
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Yup. Biology trumps feel good PC statements everytime
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 05:05 PM
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Women are biologically attracted to men who show competence and are capable of having options on the sexual market (Pre-Selection) . It’s why women are usually sleeping with the same guys casually. Men are territorial and don’t want to secure someone that doesn’t show traits of infidelity later on. There were studies done that show women with higher n counts are more likely to cheat. And biologically speaking, when women cheat there’s always the risk the kid isn’t yours which is a primal fear fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 05:04 PM
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Feminism is basically Selective equality lol Feminism doesn’t trump biology at the end of the day
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 03:18 AM
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His whole point is this is a “first world problem” so to speak on the SMV scale. The fact that he was able to get casual sex so easily means he probably has a baseline level of attractiveness The first girl could’ve rejected him for a relationship because maybe she feels she could hold out on a higher up branch then she realize she’s slipping from her current branch with no backup now she’s mad
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 04:58 PM
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Preselection is a helluva drug Women want men that are capable of having multiple women. She was probably lukewarm about him then seeing him smash her friend raised his SMV in her eyes and now it’s FOMO hamstering
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 04:55 PM
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There is no solution but to work on yourself and make yourself the most desirable guy possible in all facets of your life. Women who are delusional with their standards will screw themselves out of the market because they’ll forever be FWB to guys at the top and feel look their SMV + RMV match is settling. At that point the only person who will suffer is the BB who wifes it and doesn’t understand she doesn’t desire him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:24 PM
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Makes too much sense. Once a woman has that many bodies she’s bound to get imprinted . Not worth the trouble of wifing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:41 PM
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None of them would be viable options. The most they would be is FWB/booty call status. The first one is automatically disqualified for being a sex worker The second one has too many bodies and is probably short circuited alpha widowed . Plus she doesn’t have a real career. The third one is disqualified because women with kids are out of the question. I hate these scenario games because all of the choices have fatal flaws .
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:33 PM
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A lot of men who are at the top financially think conservatively. Even in the corporate world the higher up you go on the ladder the more conservative it gets. It’s only liberal on the surface
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 09:55 PM
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You’re not getting it. Even in your hypothetical Annie before the glow up would’ve still had better odds than Bernie pre glow up It’s not two sides of the same coin
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 04:09 PM
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The point is it’s not two sides of the same coin because women inherently have more access than men in the sexual or relationship market
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 03:21 PM
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It’s just a fact. Even the average girl who was getting overlooked will still have more attention than the average guy . A guy who gets women is exceptional and ticks a lot of boxes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 03:08 PM
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Difference is the average woman has exponentially more sexual access than a average guy. Even an attractive guy .
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 02:57 PM
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Reddit dating advice leans pretty gynocentric If you want to learn how to catch fish ask a fisherman. And don’t listen to what they say, watch who they fucking
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 02:28 PM
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You always have a choice . If she’s not willing to be on your terms that’s not someone you want anyway. If I don’t believe in befriending a woman I’m attracted to I’m not going to force myself to fit into her world. Id rather just find someone who has that innate desire for me too
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 01:32 PM
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I say it every day because she earns it every day
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 01:22 PM
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You don’t have to befriend someone you’re attracted to. I told my current LTR upfront I’m attracted and I’m looking for a relationship down the line. I’m not trying to be your friend. I’d rather end things than fake a friendship
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 01:20 PM
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This isn’t about reading between the lines though that’s how women communicate . You should have directly communicated your desires and be upfront about your expectations early on in the relationship. I get people can switch up but if you directly communicated you wanted kids I think you could’ve got your answers earlier and avoid what’s happening now. Either way you need to make that decision for you
/r/askMRP18/04/24 01:35 PM
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My question to you is did you meet her wanting to have kids or was she opposed to having kids? This is a huge fundamental difference in beliefs. If you knew she had reservations about having kids you shouldn’t have wifed her. Can’t change the past but now you have to ask yourself is this the hill you’re willing to die on boundary wise? If so be prepared to walk away and contact a divorce lawyer.
/r/askMRP18/04/24 12:15 AM
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He’s not trying to get your respect or fuck you lol . He just asked a question
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 09:56 PM
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He doesn’t need to remain friends with the girl either. He should be allowed to walk away. The same way she’s allowed to not reciprocate his feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 09:51 PM
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No one deserves anyone’s friendship and no one deserves sexual access. Goes both ways. Who gives af about what anyone thinks. You don’t owe anyone an explanation for what makes you happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 09:50 PM
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How? He literally confirms it cause women only see him as betabux
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:45 PM
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TRP literally talks about owning your shit and self improvement which is accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 08:37 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 04:15 AM
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If we’re being literal in every category Top 20% of height is 5’11.25 for males Top 20% of income is approximately 90-100k Top 20% of fitness is basically anything under 25% Body Fat So basically if you’re at least a 5’11-6’0 male making close to 6 figures and you workout moderately (at least 1-2 years of seriously lifting) you’re basically ahead of 8/10 guys. Obviously you can factor is things like face and all that but there’s a level of subjectivity to it. There’s also the age factor . You co…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 03:46 AM
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Are you upset your vocabulary is basic
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 08:55 PM
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I absolutely do interrogate for any piece of important information that can affect my decisions in life. You just don’t like the semantics
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 08:38 PM
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Would you not do your due diligence before getting in an LTR captain white knight?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 08:20 PM
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I don’t think disclosing you were in a relationship is a bad thing Disclosing you were pumped n dumped and have a high n count will obviously set you back
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 07:04 PM
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It’s a weird conundrum because women say they don’t engage in casual sex but once you interrogate them thoroughly they were basically in situationships for most of their 20’s which is basically FWB on steroids lol They may not have been pump n dump material because they were relatively attractive enough to be seen in public or they have some good relationship qualities (high RMV) , but they were basically placeholders for whatever flaw they may have had but their floor was high (high floor low c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 06:20 PM
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Yup a lot of them will claim they were in relationships until you actually ask them questions and they literally admit it was a situationship (guy said he didn’t want commitment but she stuck around hoping he’d change his mind)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 06:16 PM
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You’d be surprised how all those standards gets thrown out the window when they run into someone they really desire
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 01:06 PM
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I’m not judging if a woman has those standards we just aren’t compatible . She can find that guy and I can find someone on my program
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:22 AM
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I’m speaking about different cultures living in America . For instance first or second Gen Where I live it’s a huge metropolitan city with a lot of ethnic groups where people are first or second Gen so plenty of 20 something’s are still living with their parents
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 07:03 PM
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It’s a cultural thing too. Most cultures it’s pretty regular to live with your parents until it’s time to marry . Only WASP Americans care about “independence” by 18 I’d rather stack my bread than be broke claiming I’m independent . Granted I do have a lot of qualities going for me I’ve never really had a situation where someone tried to shame me for still living with my parents . The ones that did never had the savings, credit score or achievements i cultivated in my early to mid 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:51 PM
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Honestly if she’s really into you it doesn’t even matter she’ll be down for whatever I’ve been stacking my bread and I’m grateful for my parents. Why waste money on rent when I can have a down payment on a house ? As long as you’re attractive she doesn’t care . Women fuck hobosexuals all the time. You living with your parents wouldn’t matter. She’ll see the bigger picture
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:47 PM
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If you’re 6’0 and over 100k you’re 1% I have almost all 5 of what the guy listed above but he’s right some of that you’re just born with
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 01:31 AM
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I don’t see how that’s an issue. He has unapologetic standards the same way women do about height
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:53 PM
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Red pill is a set of information not a circlejerk This information holds accountability for men (self improvement) and women (the ugly truth they never taught you growing up)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:52 PM
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Funny thing is there’s only a small percentage of men who can financially handle a woman’s bills and his bills. Assuming you take a guy who makes as much as the average man and the average woman combined that guy would be in the top 10% of earners for his age roughly That doesn’t factor in height, looks, body and if he’s even single to begin with lol That’s where things like the female delusion calculator exist to statistically show how delusional a lot of women are
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:47 PM
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Oh yes the simple “there wasn’t any chemistry” All those things you listed factor in .
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:47 PM
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Don’t listen to what they say watch who they fuck Feminism doesn’t change their biology
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 01:49 PM
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Women don’t fuckzone guys . They casually fuck the high SMV guy and delude themselves into believing he will commit .
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:35 AM
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I have the same thought process as you People willingly place themselves in these zones
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:23 AM
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Again it is no one’s fault. For every action there’s a reaction
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:19 AM
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I agree with the premise that men should just outright state their attraction to women and just go straight to asking her on a date. I told my current LTR within 5 minutes of meeting her I found her attractive and I wanted to take her out. I’m not looking for a friendship. The problem is most guys were fed lies growing up and thought they can organically build that chemistry over time when in reality a woman will know whether or not she’s attracted. Their intentions weren’t malicious but it’s to…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:18 AM
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I never said it’s anyone’s fault. That’s a pathetic strawman used to make it the guys fault. All I’m saying is a woman is free to not escalate things with her guy friend and a guy doesn’t have to be ok with that. The problem with women is that y’all operate from a solipsistic POV. You can’t compare benefits from a male friendship to a friendship with a female. A hetero guy and hetero woman spending more time together 1 on 1 and building a bond will obviously cause someone to catch feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:14 AM
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Yup when the woman’s SMV is higher than the guy’s he is friendzoned and will end up as future BB material when his RMV matches or supersedes her SMV When the guy’s SMV is higher he either pumps and dumps or keeps her as FWB until she asks what are we and if he feels her RMV is up there he’ll put a title on it/lock it down. If her RMV is low he’ll just keep her in the sex only box
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:10 AM
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Women friendzone Men fuckzone I don’t feel sorry for either. Most people willingly place themselves there expecting things to change when it really doesn’t. And if it does it’s more so the chasee feeling they settled
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:38 AM
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Women aren’t entitled to men’s friendship same way men aren’t entitled to a woman’s body or desire . If a guy goes from friend to catching feelings and it being unrequited that’s unfair to expect him to magically throw all that away just to keep up a facade while the woman keeps all the prior benefits . Just best to cut losses
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:36 AM
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Jesus Christ that’s terrible. Sorry man
/r/askMRP29/03/24 02:54 PM
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All the time . I lay out everything and tell her if you don’t like it the door is there I can’t control your actions but you can’t control the consequences I will follow through with You’d be surprised how many women have never dealt with a guy who isn’t scared of walking out
/r/askMRP29/03/24 04:49 AM
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How did she try avoiding accountability? Or what did she try to say to delude herself?
/r/askMRP29/03/24 04:47 AM
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Contrary to what a lot of people are saying You’re entitled to your boundaries . Even if it’s a hoodie with another man’s name and that’s your prerogative great. You have to die on that hill if it means so much to you. She crossed that boundary . Now you have to enforce consequences. I kind of get where you’re coming from . Not as much the hoodie aspect but the fact that she still did something you weren’t cool with. At the end of the day it’s your life, your rules, your happiness. Do what makes…
/r/askMRP17/03/24 11:23 PM
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Except most women don’t get commitment from guys on that level and the pool of men who will wife it decreases with an increase in age There are exceptions but most women who qualified for a 6-7 bro (in RMV + SMV) in her 20s will only be lucky to able to secure a 5-6 by her 30s . Especially if she has baggage.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:50 PM
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Depends I’d say overall yeah but only because most guys remain average and don’t self improve . Once a woman reaches 30s she has kids and has gained a lot of weight so her SMV + RMV drops significantly . Women are judged by looks first For a guy he can raise both his SMV + RMV in his 30s if he actually stays disciplined . Men are judged by a plethora of factors not simply looks
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:46 PM
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Oh gotcha I misinterpreted
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 04:29 AM
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That’s not true there’s situationships where the guy is fucking multiple women and the girl wants commitment but he won’t give it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 04:15 AM
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No in the chart could range from friendzone to use for money (tricking) or the ick Fuck no is a creep lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 04:14 AM
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I love his videos and illustrations. This is his best one . His breakdowns are solid
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 04:13 AM
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I communicate what I won’t tolerate and when the line is crossed I administer the consequence .
/r/askMRP08/03/24 02:11 PM
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Your problem is that you have an idealized view on love instead of seeing women for what they are instead of what you wish they would be. Red pill is a set of ideas. You can draw your own conclusions from them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 05:29 PM
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I think my greatest realization from adolescence to adulthood was how love is a fleeting volatile emotion . The older I got the less I cared about being loved but rather respected. For me it’s about actions and behavior . I see things more pragmatically and with a lens of being dutiful. My parents marriage and the culture I’m from kind of enhanced that transition too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 05:00 AM
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I was actually expecting something crazy when I clicked on the link They’re just having fun here lol some guys get too neurotic with the red pill stuff . None of them get topless or were doing something provocative. And even if they were just avoid them. You can’t control women but you can choose which ones you want to deal with. Her actions will speak for itself
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 10:06 PM
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This is where I tell alot of guys that they need to understand that red pill is info and what you do with that info is up to you in terms of application Me personally I make my intentions known upfront and directly what I’m looking for . That ways there’s no wiggle room for ambiguity . If I want a relationship I’ll say it. If she’s not ready or is a maybe I’m out
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 01:58 PM
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Yes. TRP is information. Implementing that information can lead to results .
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 08:52 PM
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Everyone has sexual thoughts and fantasies. The fact she has self restraint is the green flag
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:40 PM
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No just get a divorce wtf lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 05:10 PM
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That’s fine but if it’s going to be a dead bedroom I’ll be upfront and state my needs need to be met and I won’t be in a dead bedroom relationship. If you can’t meet those standards it’s best we cut ties because we aren’t compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 05:00 PM
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Yes she will only have sex with you under the conditions of commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 08:45 AM
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Getting the commitment would be easier than getting casual sex Same way it’s easier for women to get sex rather than commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 08:19 AM
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They’ll marry the doctor because he’s beta bux but fuck Chad on the side
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 07:13 AM
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Exactly lmfao idk why they’ll never get it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 07:10 AM
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A woman’s league is who she can pull for commitment A man’s league is who he can pull for casual sex If your results aren’t what you like maybe you need to reassess and look in the mirror
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 07:07 AM
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I just straight up say I’m attracted I don’t beat around the bush
/r/seduction13/02/24 11:58 PM
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She should have boundaries for other people in regards to our relationship but she has to fit herself into my frame and boundaries or the door is there .
/r/askMRP09/02/24 05:36 PM
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I literally said so be a winner lmfao I’m not complaining
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 06:10 AM
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Sex is a mutual exchange
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:47 AM
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They don’t care about men’s struggles they just wait at the finish line and fuck the winners so be a winner
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:44 AM
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End thread
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:43 AM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 03:44 PM
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I told my girl if you want to be with me you can’t have male friends. You’re free to do what you want but these are my rules and parameters. If you don’t like it then the door is there. Someone always ends up catching feelings. So for me it’s about not putting yourself in a compromised position. And this goes for all of my stances. If she doesn’t like it she’s free to leave but I stand firm on what I want
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 03:24 PM
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It’s only exploitative for men who allow themselves to be exploited . People will only do what you allow them to do to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 03:08 PM
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Women should be allowed to wear what they want it’s their body their choice The Relationship/Dating marketplace will determine their results doing that . And if they don’t care about that then it shouldn’t matter what other people think anyway. Let people do what they want. What they value and their actions will let you determine your own conclusions and what you’ll allow in your life . You’d rather someone on your program anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 03:06 PM
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I wish this could be pinned in most posts regarding settling Most people end up with someone around the same SMV/RMV as them. If you’re a guy and can’t get dates or the women you’re talking to aren’t putting out or trying to beta bux/orbiter/friend zone you odds are you’re aiming too high . Their SMV is higher than yours If you’re a woman and you can get guys to fuck you but not commit or be seen in public with you you are aiming too high SMV wise and those guys knew they could bang someone a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 05:51 AM
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Hookup culture exists but only for the top 10-20% of men they leave that part out
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 08:09 PM
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Wide hips will have the capacity to carry a bigger ass. Same way wide shoulders allow men to carry more mass up top And scientifically wider hips have innately been attractive because it signaled fertility and safer childbirth because of a wider birth canal
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 02:49 AM
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Wide hips have always been attractive biologically for men . Small waist big hips golden ratio is real
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 01:49 AM
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Women have always been biologically attracted to certain traits : Height, muscles , facial hair, deep voice No matter how much trends change guys who line up with those basics wouldve slayed in any era
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 01:48 AM
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SMV or RMV women still prefer a guy with a higher N count. It shows pre selection
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 01:57 AM
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a high n count for either sex lowers your SMV for either sex No it only lowers for women. Men and women are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 01:49 AM
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They choose not to get laid that’s the difference. It’s voluntary
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 01:38 AM
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When they don’t want to commit after sex they’re fuck boys. It’s just their cope to look like victims they had full agency in
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 01:35 AM
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If that’s the case men with high n counts wouldn’t exist because women wouldn’t want to fuck them . The reality is most women don’t care
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 01:34 AM
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men should be asking other men who are successful at attracting women I generally agree with this premise but the issue lies in that women change the rules depending on guys. You can’t ask a 6’5 225 chiseled guy how to get women and expect his advice to be the same as an average guy who probably struggles to get any attention. I think TRP generally levels things but explaining women on a general landscape and it acknowledges the reality of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 08:41 PM
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Don’t listen to what they say. Watch who they fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 03:34 AM
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Where are the statistics on that? Anecdotes don’t represent reality
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 09:38 PM
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Women do it all the time. Hence hypergamy lol Women want men who are taller, stronger, usually makes at least what they make or more.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 09:16 PM
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what does this look like Them remaining single, unmarried, or can’t pull men of a certain caliber never in my wildest dreams have I thought about kids this way You’re saying this through the lens of a woman. Women and men are different
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 09:15 PM
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I mean statistically children who grow up with single mothers usually end up the worst compared to single fathers and the most ideal which is a 2 parent household. That’s just reality . As for dating prospects what do you expect? What benefit does another man’s kid bring into a man’s life. You ask a single mom if they’d want her son to wife a single mom. Most would say no
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 09:12 PM
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Men with high body counts are usually the men most sought after by women on the dating market as they are successful for a reason. Therefore they control that market and can dictate what they are looking for out of a partner. Is it a double standard? Absolutely. But the market is ruthless for a reason. Women usually don’t care much about a man’s body count. If anything they’d be more turned off by inexperience Whereas for men it’s the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 09:10 PM
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Her SMV is going to peak in a few years and she doesn’t respect him anymore He might as well cut ties now. She’s too hooked on attention, dopamine and instant gratification from other men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 07:14 AM
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He’s not fencing her in. He’s giving her an option
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 07:12 AM
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It’s one thing to issue a warning or boundary. It’s another thing to enforce the boundary. Hope you stand on business and don’t cave in
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 07:11 AM
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You’re giving her full agency of her choices. All choices have consequences
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 07:10 AM
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Bro your Problem is you care what people think . These are your standards and boundaries. If other people don’t like it that’s not your problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 07:08 AM
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Bingo . She is free to do as much clubbing as she wants. And you are free to leave her and end the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 07:07 AM
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Yeah people think it’s irrational but I think it’s efficient. If you can’t meet my standards I require in a partner then we are incompatible and don’t need to be together. I tell guys all the time: get someone aligned with your program
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 07:05 AM
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Those are your standards. If she doesn’t like it she is free to leave or you remove yourself. You can’t control anyone but yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 07:04 AM
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Not me but say a woman was 1 way with multiple guys and now wants to be another way with me it just simply means she’s not congruent
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 10:38 PM
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Sure but most of the time it’s never 1 guy that makes her not want it no more. It’s usually after the n count goes up significantly she wants to bait and switch
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 09:12 PM
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Yup. It’s funny reading that post. She wants to take it slow with the guy while exploring other options Meanwhile he probably has no other options
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 06:57 PM
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A lot of friends aren’t really friends. If the girl offered sex the guy would take it if given the opportunity
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:12 PM
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I agree kind of. There’s being nice vs being a doormat with no boundaries. I think all the “nice guys” ppl refer to fall in the latter category. You can be nice but be firm that you won’t tolerate bullshit. I think that’s healthy . All men want sex . Not all men want only sex though Whether he’s “nice” or an “asshole” they all want sex subconsciously. That’s what sexual attraction is and you need that for any romantic relationship you’re pursuing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:05 PM
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Sounds like you’re doing this for her and not you. You’re literally in her frame. If you do something it should be because you want to do it
/r/askMRP23/01/24 03:09 PM
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For a fact but a lot of times they put themselves in that compromised position. It didn’t happen by magic
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:05 PM
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Making yourself attractive isn’t bad. Doing it to get opposite sex attention in a relationship is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 06:02 AM
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If she mentions that she already did it and doesn’t want to feel guilty or she’s planning on branch swinging and wants to do it without being labeled a cheater
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 02:22 AM
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So you’re ok with your partner seeking attention from the opposite sex? Sounds like loose boundaries
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 02:20 AM
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Here comes captain strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 02:19 AM
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Even passively . I think looking for opposite sex attention subliminally is crossing that boundary
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 11:59 PM
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Yeah that last paragraph is it. That’s basically how affairs start: 1 on 1 time and intimacy. A lot of people don’t see the signs until it’s too late to put their foot down and enforce a boundary. Can’t enforce a boundary and leave after they done fucked. You just got cheated on and gotta leave to preserve your self respect
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 11:59 PM
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What is green pill
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 11:57 PM
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Yup. Why court if someone else is getting it for free
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 11:57 PM
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Yeah i think the lying and omitting the truth is what gets ppl upset and understandably . You’re deceiving someone and they’re basically wasting time investing in that person If you’re really about it just lay it all out there and if they can’t accept it on your terms just take your ball and go
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 11:56 PM
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Cheating isn’t just physical it’s emotional too. And like you mentioned there’s almost always actions that led up to it. People don’t slip and fall into sex, kissing, etc I think most people share the same sentiments as to what cheating is but for things that are grey area where it’s ambiguous such as flirting, texting other guys, keeping orbiters, still friends with ex’s/past sexual partners, it’s always good to discuss boundaries as to what you will not tolerate as well. As a guy I will say yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 11:54 PM
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Anecdotal experiences means your experiences but that doesn’t mean that reflects the reality of the data as a whole. You can get win the lotto 5 times that doesn’t mean that everyone else will. As a matter of fact 99.9% of people will never win once.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 03:32 PM
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TRP is not about being coached. Any “coach” is a grifter trying to make monetary gain off an ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 01:21 AM
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so where does all this ideology come from that women after 25 have no value That ideology was a strawman cope by people who are opposed to TRP. People misinterpret an ideology they don’t like or use extreme examples instead of data and field reports to make misinformed stances
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 01:20 AM
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TRP never said that TRP always said a woman’s peak SMV is 18-25.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 01:19 AM
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TRP is just information I feel like everyday I’m on this sub telling people this . TRP is just info. It’s not a guide . You guide yourself and pick and choose how you want to apply ideas in your life
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 01:18 AM
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most women who leave relationships do so to be single You don’t say? I bought a car so I can drive to places . I eat so I can survive. Literally stating the obvious lol No one here can refute the fact that men don’t discard women. Women discard men in LTR’s .
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 05:20 PM
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All that dancing around with semantics but the same point: Women are the ones that leave most relationships not men Most men don’t have the options/high enough SMV to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 04:26 PM
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Women initiate 80% of divorces Women discard aka monkey branch not men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:49 PM
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Doesn’t matter. Another man’s kid is a burden .
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 11:59 PM
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Anecdotal experiences don’t reflect reality
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 04:40 PM
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Lmfaoooooooooo this
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 04:28 AM
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why do so many men stay with cheaters If we’re talking about marriage more men stay in a marriage because of divorce laws not favoring men (which I think is a poor excuse) . Other than that I’m not quite sure where you’re gathering your data from . And for men respect is number 1. Sex is just a byproduct . Women only fuck guys they respect
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:43 PM
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No. A BB is a guy who leads only with his resources and wallet because he doesn’t have the physical traits or mindset to garner sexual attraction from a woman. It’s not that they catch feelings for a whore who rode the CC, it’s what they qualify for on the Dating market
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 07:28 PM
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Obviously not. We all know that. But the men women want do so I’m just sharing the thought process .
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 07:25 PM
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Sex and desire is one component but for men RESPECT is love for us
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 04:49 PM
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Men don’t attach sex with love. Women do. Love for us is about actions and commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 04:41 PM
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We never did. Women do that
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 04:27 PM
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The crazy girl is the one that got imprinted not the guy. He’s just fucking
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 04:02 PM
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Sexually attracted but he wouldn’t wife it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:23 PM
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Yup the difference too is men know she has red flags and refuse to commit and give her anything long term. Women will try to fit a square into a circle thinking she can change a guy who isn’t fit to be a long term partner
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:23 PM
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Men compartmentalize women as those they would wife up vs those they just want to only be casual with. The difference between men and women is that we don’t get imprinted and catch feelings from sex generally so the “whore” doesn’t imprint us or get us potentially pregnant like women can. Plus on the woman side with AF/BB they usually feel like they settled with the BB guy. For guys going for someone below our SMV doesn’t mean we treat them less. It’s just logical. Women get emotional and feel t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:21 PM
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There’s a reason why he’s community dick. Y’all allow it and reward it lol hence the name
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 07:54 AM
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Men don’t want women who have a roster or a high n count But women will still mess with a guy who has a roster + high n count . Women aim for the top percentage of men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 04:43 AM
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Men and women aren’t the same . A guy who has options is still attractive to women but a woman with other men aren’t
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:38 AM
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Yup that’s life
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 12:44 AM
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Men and women aren’t the same
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 12:03 AM
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why are you defending manipulation Why are you defending a lack of accountability from grown adults
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:57 PM
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Lmfaoooo wish this could be pinned
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:57 PM
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She said she was in multiple situationships. Girl lingo for fucking with no commitment . That doesn’t include guys she got sexual with after the first date
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:44 PM
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Adults don’t situate; adults fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:41 PM
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they know, they just don’t give a fuck Whenever people ask why I move the way I do I say this .
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:34 PM
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Men and women aren’t the same. Men can compartmentalize sex from emotions. Women can’t If she’s fucking another guy that’s the guy she desires and wants . The emotional tampon guy is the consolation prize. A guy can be pursuing a woman for something serious and have a roster and not have any emotional attachments to them. Furthermore, the average guy doesn’t get play so the girl in his SMV or higher is running circles around him
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:25 PM
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In an ideal world that would be great if a woman would be that honest but most times she won’t be which is why you need to pay attention to her actions. If she mentions she broke up with her bf recently be wary especially if they’re friendly they still could be fucking If she hasn’t had sex with you after a few dates odds are she’s sleeping with someone else or emotionally involved heavily with someone else and doesn’t want to feel like she dipping in and out. She’ll use you for attention like a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:21 PM
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I never get mad . No one is entitled to fuck you. If anything appreciate the ones that tell you outright they don’t want you. Saves you from wasting time
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:25 PM
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Yeah I tell guys all the time do not lead with your wallet Having money is for you not the woman. When you know you got it like that your confidence is always sky high . And a byproduct of that is not tolerating the BS that comes with them. If a girl is really feeling you only looks and dick game matter. I’ve seen women take in a FWB to live with her who told them outright he’s not trying to commit yet she insists they “dated” A majority of my encounters never even involved extravagant spending …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 04:51 PM
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Good relationship >> single >>>> Bad relationship This is why you vet wisely and accordingly to proper SMV
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 03:17 AM
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The problem is you care what women think. Do what makes you happy .
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 08:38 PM
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I’m tired of the strawmans ppl come up with
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 05:32 PM
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Love that song. West end girls
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 07:36 AM
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Ultimate imprint is a kid. She desired him enough to give her womb and raw sex . That guy is probably going to have to jump through hoops the first guy didn’t have to . Plus what women say isn’t usually congruent to their actions. She’ll say all that crap about BD but if given the chance some will go back and have another kid with him lol. With women you have to watch their actions. And the actions being the kid show it all
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 04:53 AM
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Yup. Ultimate imprint is a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 04:52 AM
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For many men today they finally understand the game When you work out the math these women are getting pregnant by the same men. Not much of a consolation prize knowing you’re with someone who gave up her womb to either a lesser man or someone she desired more. Especially if you want your own legacy. A lot of said guys are just checking out of dating because they’d rather be single than playing clean up man. 1/3 men between 18-30 are sexless Plus if he ends up wifing her and has kids with her he…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 04:50 AM
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Correcting other ppl is not my responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:19 PM
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Women have higher floors than most men (safety nets in society; someone can always save them; they can monetize their bodies/looks) Men have higher ceilings than women (usually hold more positions of money and power at the top) but very few men realize that ceiling . That’s where the whole fallacy arises that women feel like men are more privileged than them when on a pound for pound basis the average woman is more privileged than the average man
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:31 PM
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60% of young men can’t get casual sex . Sex is controlled by women. But men across the board eventually control commitment. The top 20% will always control it because they are most desired and women want them so supply and demand. The rest of the field controls commitment when a woman starts to lose her SMV and her biological clock is ticking. Then those guys can do what they want
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:09 PM
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That’s a strawman . You have extremists for every ideology . Not all red pill ppl are super conservative tradcons
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:46 AM
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For the 100th time, TRP is just information about how the world is and what sexually attracts women via their biological imperative . What one decides to do about that is their business. You either adapt or mope.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:35 AM
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You summarized it perfectly
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 02:24 AM
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Yeah it’s the reason why a lot of guys feel lied to. Growing up they were told one thing but that doesn’t generate sexual attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 10:04 PM
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There’s no feminists in a house fire People talk a good game about Progressiveness but their actions say otherwise. They gravitate towards traditionalism in the opposite sex. It’s biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 03:09 PM
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Supply and demand Men control commitment Women control sex Only gonna get worse
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 09:06 PM
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Testosterone makes it a need for us
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 08:49 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 08:49 PM
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No one is entitled to anything but if I am not receiving sex I am either going to divorce and get it elsewhere and I make that known upfront . I’m not entitled to your body, you are not entitled to my time, attention, validation, and resources. Especially because I am an attractive man who is the whole package from a physical and life standpoint
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 08:48 PM
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You’re not getting it though. She can act on that fantasy and make that a reality. A guy can’t dive into his screen and fuck the pornstar
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 07:04 AM
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“Checked out” = she got physical and now got feelings and has found her new branch. It’s plausible deniability to avoid the accountability of being labeled a cheater
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 07:02 AM
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And when women cheat most of the times she has caught feelings for the affair partner commencing the branch swing or “checked out of relationship”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 07:00 AM
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Sure porn is accessible but it’s a fantasy. The girl being able to fuck 10 guys in 5 mile radius is reality
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:29 AM
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You can’t compare the two lol You can’t fuck a computer screen; a woman could fuck as many guys as she wants within that radius all she has to say is wyd come over. One is a fantasy land the other is just reality on steroids because of the digitalized society we live in today. Women always pick who fucks
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 05:53 AM
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I’ll go even further to say a guy with a higher SMV can wife a girl with a lower SMV but it’s rare for a guy to fuck a girl with a higher SMV unless he fulfills some fetish or niche that artificially increases his SMV
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 04:55 AM
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She mentioned situationships . Situationships involve sex and the guy not committing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 01:58 PM
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Only an inexperienced guy wouldn’t catch on. The behaviors and mannerisms will show. If you let someone talk long enough they’ll reveal it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:23 PM
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World is getting more globalized than ever. It’s only going to get more deregulated on the market
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:52 PM
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In theory the 90 day rule sounds good until you realize she’ll make rules for one guy and break them for someone she really wants It’s a deregulated sexual market. Either play the game or get played I do agree that women need to be more wary about their N count because at the end of the day men control access to commitment and marriage and men on average don’t want a woman with baggage. The higher the quality of the guy (who controls the market) the less baggage he will accept . Simple supply an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:44 PM
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She probably had a higher body count and lost the ability to pair bond or she didn’t deem your SMV high enough to commit to
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:25 PM
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Most women have a guy or guy(s) that would reserve those sentiments for if he is attractive enough. When a woman authentically desires you youll literally get those exact words.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 02:32 PM
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Some guys will do anything for consistent sex .
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 02:30 PM
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Yeah too many guys try to hamster their way into thinking all women are special snowflakes who don’t want the same things their biology wants them to do. We’re all humans and have carnal desires. But from experience I usually find women attach sex to a relationship whether they want to admit it or not. 90% of women who agree to FWB will generally do so under the premise that they can eventually get a relationship whether they want to admit it or not. Assuming a woman doesn’t have a high n count …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 02:26 PM
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Yes that is a situationship. My point is if you had 100-200 different suitors and couldn’t secure 1 to commit to you then you have to do some self reflection
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 02:08 PM
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That’s an extreme strawman example. We all know that is a drug and its effects will ruin your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 01:35 PM
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No such thing as toxic masculinity. If it was so “toxic” women wouldn’t be rewarding it It’s just male nature and female nature. People just don’t like the truth because it shatters everything they grew up knowing was a lie
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:10 AM
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Yup complexion is a cop out. Beauty is beauty. Getting 100 first dates alone means something
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:53 AM
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Her N count is probably so high that she’s alpha widowed and can’t pair bond Properly. She rode the CC in her 20s and has hit the wall
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:51 AM
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She probably goes after guys with much higher SMVs hence the situationships A guy with the same SMV probably didn’t make it past the first date with her
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:48 AM
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LMFAOOOOOO
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:47 AM
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Glad someone made this comment
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:46 AM
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Most men don’t even go on 20 first dates their whole lifetime if we’re being Frank . Average guy has 6-8 bodies their whole life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:46 AM
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If you went on 200 first dates and couldn’t secure commitment from someone you considered remotely attractive that means you’re the problem. Especially cause women can basically go on multiple dates a day if they desired. She’s probably using the halo effect and not stating the full story
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:44 AM
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Yup. She talks about only getting situationships that’s basically prime alpha windowing but with tenacity 200 first dates even 100 first dates when you exclude the speed dating she mentioned probably means a N count higher than 25 and that’s being on the conservative end. I’m sure she probably went on a date with a guy she didn’t find that “spark” with but got in the situationship with the guy who did give her sparks hoping she could change his mind and now she’s 32 with a N count probably equiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:42 AM
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Feminist and red pilled doesn’t even make sense lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 10:47 PM
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I am red pill and I think having a career + education is a must and qualifier . For social mobility purposes . The problem would be if this is someone who is putting their career before the relationship or make it their personality. But most important is looks, fitness and attitude/cooperativeness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 04:11 AM
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The thing with RP is that it was never about positive or negative. It’s info. What you do with that info and interpret and apply it is on you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 04:07 AM
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I think with the dating market getting more and more deregulated the red pill info will be taken more.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 03:47 AM
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The guy who’s doing all the investing and no play is basically the woman’s time hoe
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 03:51 PM
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Time and attention hoe
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 11:49 PM
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They want the authority without the accountability . That way they can play victim and have plausible deniability
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 09:11 PM
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This goes back to Dave Chappelle’s standup when he talked about how old is x age really?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 09:10 PM
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Same older women complaining about this dynamic are the same ones who dated older men in their prime lol Now the guys their age are peaking and don’t want them
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 04:19 AM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 01:27 AM
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Being intelligent doesn’t necessarily mean you are attractive. Physical traits precede that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:49 AM
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Girl math is thinking 6’0, 6 pack and 6 figures is average when in reality it’s the 1-3% of all men in the US. I’m 6’1, just hit 6 figures and I’m in good shape and I bet there are people would see that as “average” when it really isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:26 PM
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they’re just trying to find someone they’re attracted to Their attraction is predicated in finding the most suitable partner with the most suitable qualities (height, fitness, face, status, salary). On a biological level it’s to ensure the most best outcomes for her offspring. It’s not outright eugenics but based on OP’s logic it would
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:22 PM
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Hypergamy is basically eugenics lol Women are naturally red pilled but don’t even know it . They get mad when men employ the same tactics they are naturally hardwired to do. That’s the biggest self revelation
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:16 PM
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No they’re not. They actually get picked unlike beta men who aren’t desired. Just settled for .
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:51 PM
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Want for the night vs want for the rest of your life are two different things . Y’all just don’t get it lol. Too tied into emotions
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:43 PM
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There are red pilled women… there’s a whole sub for red pilled women and they all subscribe to TRP ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:42 PM
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Yeah man I don’t agree with 100% everything red pill spouts but I know more likely than not there’s a lot of truth to their messages. Understanding the gray area in life is essential. Everything isn’t black and white. If you can’t read the signals you’re Fucked
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:19 PM
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You’re not getting it. Men aren’t finding those women disgusting they just know they aren’t suitable long term
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:17 PM
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This is the difference between men and women. Men can compartmentalize who to mess around with vs who to commit to. Women conflate the two
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:21 PM
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TRP is just information. What you do to maximize your success is on you. You control your destiny and put as many twists as you want on it. What works for you may not work for someone else. And the first example you described about the 7 and 8 wouldn’t work because the girl is alpha widowed
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:16 PM
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Yeah and those relationships are always the beta guy being a spineless cuck
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:21 PM
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What is white pill
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:23 AM
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I need to hear this story 😂 parents tryna Beta Bux you wtf lmfaoo
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:22 AM
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Facts lmfao . Good doesn’t mean attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:21 AM
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Oh well
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 11:06 PM
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Again that’s not my problem
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:21 PM
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Yup and from anecdotal experience . If you want to get scientific evolutionary psychology shows it too
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 10:47 PM
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Never said it was moral . Whatever breeds the best results is all I’m concerned with
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 10:47 PM
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That’s only 1-3% of men in the US. 14% of men are 6’ or taller alone . When you factor in salary and fitness that’s a smaller pool
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 10:46 PM
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He needs to be the whole package. This is why 80/20 exists. Men are the whole package can pump and dump monopolizing the field while average women hold out thinking he’ll commit
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 10:45 PM
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Yup said this in a previous post . Relationships work best when the woman loves the guy more
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 04:52 AM
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Same
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:11 PM
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There’s always a chaser and chasee Depends on who has the higher SMV. That’s why there’s no such thing as both people loving 50/50. Someone has to do the loving more
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:04 PM
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Curious. What’s dark purple pill
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:44 PM
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I’m not saying it’s right or wrong. We’re allowed to do what we want. I just think a lot of people can’t rationalize it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:54 PM
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Anomalies don’t represent the norm. Hence “fairytale”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:05 PM
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The problem is men and women’s attraction is not linear. A guy who makes $100k is more attractive to a woman than a woman making $100k is to a guy initially. Contrary to many trad-con and red pill ppl I actually care about a woman’s income but like most men the first entry way into my peripheral is looks first and foremost. Looks matter first then everything else . For women things like salary, status and other qualifiers are used to garner attraction. For men it’s simple physical attraction. Bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:04 PM
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Agreeable men are often taken False. Agreebleness is a desirable trait in women not men. Men who are agreeable are usually friendzoned or get no play. Most men who are desired have a backbone and can be their own individual
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:58 PM
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Flirting with someone for years and finally being settled for is pathetic. Feel sorry for the guy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:57 PM
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these women won’t find a man No. They can find a man . Women always have sexual options. They just won’t find the man they truly desire (aka a guy with higher SMV) . They’ll feel like they settled for a guy with the same SMV or lower . This leads to lack of desire and disrespect
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:56 PM
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Bingo
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:54 PM
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Honestly my mentality is who cares what they think. My happiness comes first
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:44 PM
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Sounds like a BF who’s too scared to say what he feels . Trying to tip toe around to avoid drama is weak af
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:43 PM
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And no one is entitled to honesty
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:42 PM
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Best comment here and best example flipping it. Most of the time a woman who says she’s ok with FWB or NSA sex holds out hoping he will eventually commit
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:33 PM
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I think it’s manipulative to withhold and weaponize sex . The guy can’t magically know you’re catching feelings. If you tell him straight up and he says he doesn’t want that he’s within his rights to say leave
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:32 PM
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A boundary is for you not the person He didn’t force the girl into anything he said if we are not having sex you have to go. That’s his boundary
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:31 PM
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Most women who agree to FWB actually do so with intentions of hoping to change the guys mind eventually so they hold out hoping he’ll commit. 90% of the time that’s the motive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:28 PM
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This is kind of out of left field but this is why it’s better to be the FWB material than the boyfriend material guy. FWB guy gets sex and if he wants he can get the relationship from the girl at whim because women aren’t going to sleep with a guy they don’t like and would be with If he was boyfriend material he would’ve had to play the cat and mouse game and would’ve had to deal with nonsense while she’s sleeping with someone else
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:27 PM
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And he reserves the right to kick her out his place if that agreement wasn’t met
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:24 PM
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First dates should never be expensive I agree . Do things that make you happy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:15 PM
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They’ll do all that filtering just to fuck their ex or the FWB who doesn’t take her out after the date while the guy who invested gets ghosted
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:14 PM
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Because he is allowing her to ruin it. He is in control of himself and his emotions and actions
/r/askMRP13/12/23 06:13 PM
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Her emotions are not your responsibility/problem . You control your happiness. Stop tolerating this behavior and put your foot down. If she wants to be with you she needs to act right or you will be getting a divorce . And you need to go through with it too. Can’t half ass an ultimatum. Has to be action and intention behind it. If you don’t she will ruin your life and happiness . A man’s happiness is #1 in a relationship. Quite frankly I wouldn’t be in a marriage with someone who has all these p…
/r/askMRP12/12/23 08:14 PM
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You’re using a subsection of single mothers to base your claims to negate OPs statistical fact. Not all single mothers were “abandoned” That’s just playing victim now. No child is born in this country unwillingly which means if you decided to carry a child for a man who couldn’t wife you that’s poor judgement on your part. Marry before you carry if you wanna bring up being abandoned . If a man is married he gets presumable paternity
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:20 PM
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Single fathers actually do better than single mothers statistically lol . Single fathers are less likely to be in poverty or be divorced https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2013/07/02/the-rise-of-single-fathers/ https://medium.com/the-knowledge-of-freedom/single-father-households-do-vastly-better-than-single-mother-heres-the-real-reason-why-8a7fd7c5611d https://ifstudies.org/blog/five-facts-about-todays-single-fathers
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:13 PM
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Indeed
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:11 PM
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Lmfao he be sliding in IG thots DMs he definitely gets some side. But savannah confirms what we already know. They’ll share a HVM and cuck a guy they deem beneath them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:01 PM
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OP made a general statement that can statistically be supported by data on average. Not once did OP say every single mother is doing this. It sounds like you’re projecting
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:45 PM
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The person used Lebron James as his example of a man overcoming his circumstances . Lebron is a billionaire NBA athlete + mogul. Most people in lebrons circumstances would not achieve 1% of what he has and that’s a statistical fact
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:38 PM
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shitty people come from all backgrounds That in itself is an absolute statement. You’re literally moving the goalpost and using emotions now lol . Women can never stay on topic . No one said shitty people don’t come from all backgrounds. What we are saying is statistically single mothers create environments that aren’t conducive to successful children . Could someone break that mold? Absolutely, but is it the most ideal situation? Statistically not
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:36 PM
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No one said it’s absolute. But statistically single women produce the worst results on average. That doesn’t mean there aren’t successful stories regarding single mothers . Those are anomalies and anomalies do not represent the norm . I swear y’all have the comprehension skills of a 9 year old
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:29 PM
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How can someone be alpha widowed by their parent lmfao do you even know what the definition of alpha widow is ?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:28 PM
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There’s literal research done that shows single mothers raising children produce bad results . That’s not anecdotal ..
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:24 PM
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Yes they are but the person used Lebron James who is a literal anomaly as a reference point hence the reason I mentioned his billionaire status . For every Lebron there’s also guys who are at the bottom of the rung due to their upbringing Here’s some stats but I’m sure you can Google more https://www.fixfamilycourts.com/single-mother-home-statistics/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:22 PM
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Statistics . The research on children (specifically male children growing up with a single mother) show it breeds the worst possible outcomes on average Most billionaires don’t grow up in single parent households and that’s just an irrefutable fact
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:14 PM
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Anomalies don’t represent the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:50 PM
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:18 AM
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Fuck her space . It’s your space. You shouldn’t be catering and tip toeing to appease her feelings.
/r/askMRP11/12/23 03:36 PM
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Why do you have to go to your parents house if you break up? It’s your place lol.
/r/askMRP11/12/23 02:06 PM
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Most men don’t have those kind of options . 2/3 men between 18-30 have been sexless for 2023. Hence guys with no abundance mentality and oneitis
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 12:16 AM
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a variety of traits in men Traits that represent masculinity ingrained in our DNA: Hence the height and status lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:54 AM
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6’3 , status . Has access to pool of women average guy doesn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:47 AM
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Based answer . Women will fuck a guy they hate but respect . What is magenta pill btw
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 02:14 AM
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No one’s even angry … Typical blue pilled response . Trying to deflect
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 02:12 AM
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I’ve seen so many videos where they ask women what they definition of misogyny is and they don’t even know what It means lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:36 AM
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This
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:36 AM
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Don’t listen to what women say, watch who they fuck. That’ll give you all your answers
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:55 PM
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But women are allowing men to have raw sex with them as well. Women have the power at every stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 06:43 PM
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No child in the USA is born involuntarily or unwillingly. The woman has the agency and final say as to who gets born. If you get the ultimate say you need to take ultimate accountability for your actions or lack thereof
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 06:42 PM
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I’d argue if a woman kept the mentality of trying to maintain/improve her looks while in a relationship she’ll have better results than waiting until things blow up to better herself. Maintaining attraction in a relationship matters
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 12:40 AM
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Lol what?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:12 PM
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If a girl is attracted to you that shit don’t matter lol I’ve seen Uber “feminists” fuck with ultra conservative guys and request the most degrading sex acts
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 04:46 AM
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Because you didn’t initiate physical attraction and make your intentions known. Always let a woman know you are attracted to her first and foremost Don’t friendship your way into pussy. Be her friend by extension of the fact that she wants you
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 10:53 PM
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My happiness is paramount
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 02:27 PM
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I am invested but I am willing to walk away. A relationship works on my terms and she knows that and is on board 100% And no I don’t usually do LTR’s I wouldn’t be “on to the next LTR” just enjoying life m8
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 01:47 AM
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I think you’re misinterpreting what I’m saying. I’m not saying care less like he’s apathetic . I’m saying he chooses himself first at the end of the day. I absolutely love my LTR but I’m always more willing to walk away from it if things aren’t on my terms. I think people hear care less and assume something abusive for me it just means whoever is more willing to walk away if push comes to shove
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:26 AM
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Nope . I’m not saying men don’t have to care either. But the best relationships is when the girl loves the guy more. Women are emotional they change like the seasons almost neurotically . So they have to be more invested and feel more on their toes with a guy. Men are logical and creatures of habit. A guy can do the same routine today until he dies and be happy by himself but a woman needs constant stimulation. This can lead to wandering off or doing disloyal shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:53 PM
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Ofc I know what I’m doing . Dating market isn’t fair to me so I don’t need to play fair hence my hypocrisy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:39 PM
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I don’t hate on women who have casual sex but I just wouldn’t wife someone who has done that because I want what’s advantageous to me and my life. It’s hypocritical but I worked hard to make myself a desirable partner in all facets so I deserve the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:31 PM
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Not really I compartmentalize love and sex. I’m in a monogamous LTR but when I was single I had tons of causal sex yet I strategically picked a partner who fit what I was looking for in a potential wife and mother. It’s how humans were able to evolve and be better than the last generation . This is basically mens dual mating strategy flipped on what women do to us. The only difference is women usually (just being general here) catch feelings after sex and need to be emotionally invested whereas …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:26 PM
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Absolutely. It’s a double standard but society is filled with double standards. And biologically the Madonna whore complex is something that is ingrained into men and women as is AF/BB to an extent . Just gotta leverage yourself on the unregulated market .
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:23 PM
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Amazing mother. Works full time, handles all domestic duties and was always on the same page as my father so they thrived . Her mindset is old school and I’m a first generation American. Mom was your tradition virgin married to my dad in her early 20s so she always instilled certain qualities I should look for in a woman and she actually gave me some red pill advice growing up to be wary of women 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:21 PM
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I’d favor her because her actions are showing me she is attracted . That’s how I decided the person I got into a LTR with. Women have to care more to make it work
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:19 PM
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Myron Gaines never said he wants a traditional relationship. He said if he were to ever do marriage the woman he is with needs to conform to what he wants. And if you’re a guy that has value you can make your rules . He’s upfront that he messes around with bimbos
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:14 PM
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Bingo . Not knocking anyone’s choices. Just be honest with who you are
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:13 PM
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Eh idk I think men are more honest . We say we will wife the good girl but we would fuck the promiscuous girl . We accept the double standard Madonna-whore complex. Women are the ones who can’t rationalize why they get pumped n dumped with no commitment . And most women crave commitment from a guy they truly desire on a general level anyway. Women will outright lie and say they would never sleep with insert whoever but their actions will literally say the opposite. With men we’re ok with or with…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:12 PM
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someone you’re not fully attracted to Why would you be in a relationship with someone you’re not fully attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 07:27 PM
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The issue is that the “nice guy” aka doormat will turn them off in the long run. In the short term the validation is nice but eventually they will get repulsed by a yes man The “bad boy” gives qualities and tingles that turn women on and they love it subconsciously based on actions. They’ll say they hate but stay and do what he wants. That’s where watch their actions not words comes from Either way I always hated the bad boy nice guy archetype thing. The reality is just be a person who stands on…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:54 PM
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Ah the old “young and dumb” argument lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:57 PM
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Most of the women who complain about older guys dating younger women are the same women who used to date older guys when they were younger lol. Theyre just older now with more baggage and less SMV so they can’t pull a high SMV guy in their age bracket so they use shaming tactics to mate guard guys that don’t even want them long-term. Are there predatory guys out there? For sure I am not denying that. But a 18-24 old has agency and autonomy over her body and decisions like the same women complain…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:05 PM
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I read a stat that when household income crosses $250k plus the divorce rate drops from 50 percent to sub 20%. It didn’t specify who was making more just overall house income . I think if a guy makes 100 and his wife makes 150 it’s not a huge problem to the woman but I think a woman making 200and her man makes 50 will def be an issue to her . Just my 2 cents . I think it’s a lifestyle thing + hypergamy . But hypergamy isn’t black and white income wise. The guy could have a higher SMV in pure loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 02:05 AM
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Keep cutting and lifting . Get down to like 220-225. 27% body fat means you’re average to below average even if you’re face maxxed and 6’4 . You need to get to 15-20% BF bare minimum (the more muscle you have the more body fat you can get away with to an extent) Odds are if you’re asking this question you probably know the answer. If you know you look good it’ll trickle down
/r/askMRP06/11/23 07:08 PM
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Wide hips + small waist . Hourglass/pear shape
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 02:45 PM
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Tell her you will not be in a marriage where you do not know your wife’s whereabouts so if she wants to act single you will enforce consequences . And you have to actually go through with it . Don’t be spineless Not telling you where she is going is a red flag . Shows lack of respect and poor communication. She’s free to do what she wants but you’re free to remove yourself from someone who is not on your program
/r/askMRP01/11/23 05:29 PM
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she started calling me names and saying completely disrespectful things Should’ve told her outright you will not be tolerating such disrespect in a marriage and if she continues you will remove yourself. Then you should’ve removed attention and affection . Never let her feel comfortable talking to you crazy The fact that you feel bad for punishing her tells me you have poor boundaries
/r/askMRP01/11/23 05:23 PM
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Women are shamed for being single Men are shamed for not getting sex All in all though a man will be more likely to be with a woman who can’t get commitment/never been in a relationship as opposed to a woman going for a guy who is sexually inexperienced or just an incel
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 08:07 PM
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Just be upfront with your intentions. If she says no walk away. It’s really that simple . Like the late great Patrice o neal always said: stop tryna friendship your way into pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 08:18 PM
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The #2 is def cultural. Moving out at 18 is a multiple generation American thing . First and second gens who’s family came from other parts of the world are encouraged to live at home and save up after college until they can afford a house. Both for the men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:01 PM
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This lol. I live in a VHCOL why would I waste 2500-3000 on rent when that can go straight to my savings. Going out to rent just because is the quickest way to fuck up potential savings and cash flow. There’s no shame when in 5-10 years you’ve acquired a good amount of wealth and have no outstanding debt
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:59 PM
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It’s not only dating up it’s also women holding out for the very slim possibility of a alpha bux/alpha fucks giving them commitment but they’ll never get it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 07:45 PM
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I mean you can say the same for an average man who has to deal with an entitled average woman who has been alpha widowed and pumped and dumped to the point where he’s not even getting authentic desire by the time he comes into the picture
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 01:49 AM
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Good looks have always been important Women are just more open about wanting it now because the sexual market is deregulated
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 12:54 AM
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Everyone’s a “queen” and a 10 lol At least men know their deficiencies
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:43 AM
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Bro you took back a cheating wife ofc there’s never going to be respect or authentic desire from her. You’re her BB
/r/MarriedRedPill15/09/23 11:31 PM
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Yeah after the first affair he should’ve got a DNA test + consulted a lawyer about a divorce
/r/MarriedRedPill15/09/23 11:29 PM
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Me either man . I always tell guys once in their life to experience a woman who truly authentically desires him. Watch how horny she gets . You’ll never settle for less again
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:19 PM
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Yeah I always tell guys to date the woman that loves you more. Even my mom and grandma told me this. When a woman is invested in a guy there’s no limits to what she’ll do. For men we are already expected to do all these things but when a woman is truly invested she matches and sometimes exceeds the great treatment . This is why every guy needs to experience that once in his life so he’ll never tolerate BS in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 03:26 PM
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This is basically AF/BB lol wtf Dead bedroom providing husband getting cucked by a more sexually attractive affair partner who’s getting more sexual access than he ever got .
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 03:24 PM
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I think the problem with chivalry whether done from a place of confidence or not is just from an efficiency standpoint it’s just a waste of time, effort and resources. I love doing nice things for my girlfriend or someone I’m attracted to and I’m very much free handed and I put thought into gestures but I reserve that treatment once the woman has shown me she is worth that The dating market is deregulated so women today are carrying more trauma and baggage. Some can’t pair bond or are alpha wido…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:43 PM
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Are you sure most men don’t meet bare minimum or the men you don’t qualify for won’t give you in particular the bare minimum? I think the issue is the guys who you may be more on the same SMV with can give you that you just may not be giving them a shot
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:36 PM
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Half of the things you listed are valid things to require out of a partner man or woman . Loyal, respectful, cutting off exs or any flings and not being inappropriate, no baggage, good communication. That’s all bare minimum
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:39 PM
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Men who don’t have experience with women suffer more than the inverse. Women subconsciously want men who are wanted
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:03 PM
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This is the most logical answer but obviously they’re going to change the narrative from being honest to bullying. Any type of criticism is bullying these days lol You’re overweight/obese = Fat shaming You’re promiscuous and men don’t like that = slut shaming You’re average in looks = You think they’re ugly They need to tap into their emotional hamster and rationalize things by making you the bad guy . Hence no accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:27 AM
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Women do the same with their preferences it’s even worse because they actually even feel entitled when they’re not qualified
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:12 AM
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If anything women bully men more as they use shaming language Men tell women the truth
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:32 AM
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Yes they do lol. It’s shaming language : “You’re not a real man if” “You must hate your mom, sister, grandma, etc” “Little dick energy” “Incel”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:31 AM
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I’m saying women in general will look past it compared to men because men and women’s attraction isn’t symmetrical . At the end of the day an experienced guy will have more success than an experienced woman in securing the kind of partner they desire . A woman in general can secure a guy but it’s mostly a guy she’ll settle for that will tolerate a high body count . The kind of men she’s attracted to won’t like it. She could lie about it but an experienced guy will know
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 02:24 PM
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Eh women don’t want to admit it but a majority of the guys they have had sex with most likely had a lot of sexual experiences to begin with because women seek the best partners. The best men available usually have some form of experience with women and are usually desired by some. Women are subconsciously attracted to males who are desired by other women Men are attracted to women they know haven’t had many partners because biologically we want to ensure our kids are ours. Women are the gatekeep…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:04 AM
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