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Interesting little tidbit from the message success by attractiveness for men chart: The guys deemed most attractive have just about the same chance of hearing back from both the least and most attractive women on the site (40% batting average). Any thoughts as to whether something is going on there, or just a coincidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 07:47 PM
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The ideal setup for me is LAT I fixed it for you. Not everyone wants that. It seems like the majority neither expect nor aspire to that in a functioning relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 09:39 PM
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Just because someone doesn’t meet one’s exact standards doesn’t mean they’re falling short. Much of what this sub seems to forget is compromise, which is often conducive to extra benefits that were not initially conceived in one’s standards. Red pill loves to present relationships and requirements as though they’re this strict list that must be followed lest one be the loser in this scenario, forgetting that relationships almost never follow such a neatly-drafted script.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 09:38 PM
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Pull them up to his level, or be complementary to one another’s lifestyles? There are some very entitled women who do expect to be taken care of, I’m not going to pretend they don’t exist. However, I can’t help but think a lot of the opposition to the user’s list for compatibility as quoted by the OP is mostly the result of pessimism that’s very pervasive with red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 08:21 PM
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Wait, in all seriousness what’s the problem with her standards? She’s asking for some very basic compatibility here. If he’s talking about “settling” for someone based on a completely subjective number rank, then I think he’s the one who’s probably going to die alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 08:15 PM
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Yeah this is exactly it, I’m not going to pretend it’s nearly so calculated and ideal as what the poster above is claiming. Empowerment narratives such as that often fall apart in reality, when you realize just how many people lack the critical thinking and self-awareness to pull them off.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 02:56 PM
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We as humans tend to be attracted to risky, novel scenarios. I think that’s part of the big picture threads like this are missing out on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 02:38 PM
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I’m pretty sure he came here to brag about how he apparently looks so much better than his friends lol. But yes, this sub generally has difficulty accepting that neither attraction nor love are rational and don’t fit into such neat categories as “Chad” “Stacy” “pick me’s” “6/10.” None of these meme metrics determine chemistry, shared values, the experiences you’ve shared with someone that turn into cherished memories, how compatible the two of you are in bed, etc. Trying to predict and quantify …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 08:13 PM
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They don’t fall in love with an appearance, they fall in love with a pastiche, a lifestyle, an embodiment of values in that appearance. I think you’re conflating love with infatuation or even limerence, which are largely based on appearance to the point of illusion in the latter. This is why therapists, advice columnists, and coaches always make an appealing lifestyle the number one point to hammer in if one wants to be more attractive to their desired sex. Looking hot as a man may get you more …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 07:27 PM
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This is entirely the issue. Even coming from the more promiscuous women it’s “lol loser you don’t understand how flirting works” or the more sexually successful men “that virgin chick will just me mine when she’s bored with you and discovers the cock carousel because AWALT.” Much of this sub consists of airing dirty laundry as opposed to any real substantive debate. I don’t even mind that so much of the evidence here is anecdotal (it’s not like self-report “studies” are really that much better t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 10:32 PM
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Yep. It’s usually something learned through trial and error with different people. Some people have different reasons for having sex, just like how there are men out there who are interested in sex because they want to explore certain bodily sensations and bring pleasure to others, or because they want dominance and to flex their numbers to others. The bonding rhetoric only makes sense if that person is emotionally damaged and sees sex as an outlet for temporary validation, social clout, trauma …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 09:47 PM
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I don’t think it’s the number of partners that makes one more or less apt for bonding, it’s the mindset behind why they have so many partners to begin with. Someone who’s had a lot of sex because they’re curious about all the sensations their body has to offer and want to find that in another person is much different from someone who’s slept around because of recklessness, impulsivity, substance abuse, trauma, and commitment/intimacy issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 01:33 PM
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“Promiscuous” is a different standard from “has had sex.” Promiscuity implies far more frequency and quantity. I’ll agree that would require some extra vetting, but many here seem to think that if she’s not a virgin period she’s unable to commit. Also, social psych studies based on self-reports should not be considered prescriptive of an individual’s behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 01:06 PM
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Because I’m not a prude? So what, she becomes completely undateable the second she’s had sex with one other person? And what about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 01:06 PM
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If you project that much insecurity, you won’t even get close. Sounds like the typical “sex is only good when a guy’s going for it” stance that a lot of the men have here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 04:50 AM
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I guess you’d also best like a lot of sex then.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 04:46 AM
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Slutty doesn’t have to be a bad thing. Nothing inherently wrong with enjoying and pursuing sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 04:36 AM
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I’m not gonna lie, I’ve only seen virgins idolized in third world countries. Even in my own culture, which ain’t exactly first world, they don’t really care so much if a woman isn’t a virgin. I wonder how much of this is just a red pill/tradcon circle jerk meme. Could just be that I’m in a big city and that’s the way things are here, but men tend to like women who signal that they like sex. Also older women, if they’re attractive/take care of themselves, still have little problem seeking out sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 04:14 AM
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Though mechanic isn’t typically up there with some other more money-making occupations typically associated with wealthy playboys, I highly doubt a woman is going to turn down a free car tuneup. And yeah, definitely helps if that talent offers all sorts of glitz, glam, and glory.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 12:54 AM
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Again, because they were rockstars. It’s the “cute in a weird way” + catapulted into fame and wealth through talent. They’d have just been considered strange-looking emasculated avant garde weirdos if it weren’t for all that. Women find “strange-looking emasculated avant garde weirdo” hot if they’re worth millions and others seem to love them too, though. Gaydar is completely tangential to my point. I meant they’d be dismissed as “gay” in the regressive, pejorative sense because again, without a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 07:31 PM
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I think you’re imposing a lot of your own attraction standards here lol. Stripped of their status, men who look like them would be written off as “gay” by most and discarded. For us average Joes down here status-wise, masculine features really do tend to matter a lot more in terms of looks and the rockstar allure of very feminine-looking celebrities is impossible to divorce from the package there. I think for someone of more “normal” social class/income and zero celebrity, it’d pay off to look m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 05:22 PM
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I’d argue it’s less because they’re conventionally attractive dreamboats and more because they’re provocative. They are not admired for by virtue of their looks, they’re admired for everything else in spite of their looks. Record labels know how to hack this. Neither David Bowie nor Prince fit the attraction of the day. David Bowie was a closet homosexual having affairs with Iggy Pop among others, and Prince was emaciated and androgynous. It wasn’t sexy to see these people half naked on stage be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 04:59 PM
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Exactly. I get that the OP is just throwing b8, but actor/rockstar comparisons that are frequently mentioned here always miss the point. It’s not that someone like David Bowie or Prince got by on their looks, it’s that they’re really, really good at something. If they were average Joes regarding financial status and reputation for their craft, they probably wouldn’t be swooned over. The takeaway here should be not only their immensely lavish estates, but also that they’re talented and have a rep…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 02:36 PM
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She’s more likely to stick around with the second guy. Mind blowing sex definitely helps longevity. I don’t think you want to have a genuine discussion about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 01:41 AM
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No, even outside of the context of relationships. Let’s say you’ve had sex on the first date, before a relationship even starts, or just a hookup. A hypothetical woman has slept with two different men in one of these contexts, do you think she’s more likely to remember: A really hunky guy who would be considered a Chad here who just jackhammered the entire time and couldn’t eat her out right, or A guy who looked cute enough/a little above average who really paid attention to her needs, was very …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 01:04 AM
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This is b8
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 12:57 AM
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The point being that just because she had sex with him doesn’t mean she enjoyed it. A lot of women have had bad sex with mediocre dudes and this colors their impression of men being generally non-communicative and inconsiderate of their needs, especially sexually. She probably does not necessarily lust after those men in the ways that OP is mentioning. A guy who addresses her needs there however (ie, orgasm) is more likely to be the one she really lusts after.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 12:53 AM
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This is completely tangential to the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 12:32 AM
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I agreed with what you were saying until the second to last paragraph. The guy who fits the Chad meme narrative in terms of looks, status, etc. may get her initial attention more, but that doesn’t mean he knows how to satisfy her sexually, much less rock her world in that way that commands the animalistic lust you see people craving and expressing with their most desired sexual partners. Looks are not at all indicative of sexual prowess. There are hot women who are absolute dead fish in bed, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 07:30 PM
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I’m really not sure what you’re getting at here. Generally it’s considered attractive if someone has a life with hobbies and passions that they actively pursue, and some hobbies are considered more widely socially acceptable and attractive than others. That much isn’t really up for debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 03:13 PM
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I’m not saying it’s reasonable or even effective, but it’s seen as a display of fitness. “Look at how much of a man I am, I have conquered this animal and have friends who watch as I have done it!” You’re preaching to the choir here, I think it’s silly and wouldn’t go about advertising myself this way but that’s what’s running through most guys’ heads. Furthermore, it’s a hobby - generally, women on apps want to see that you have an active life filled with things to do rather than sit around at …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 02:38 PM
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It communicates he’s physically active, and if it’s a group shot then he has friends who are physically active. There is social status in physical fitness. Too bad for him though, this particular gesture is seen as very played-out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 12:18 PM
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Again, I think the key here is that someone attractive enough has to be the one doing all those things. They can help for sure, but let’s stop pretending looks don’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 06:12 AM
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Bars/clubs are a massive contextual piece here. Like seriously massive, given how much people find partners there, be they someone temporarily sexual or longterm. To just take that out of the picture is leaving out a crucial part of the story here; to go along with what you’ve been saying it’s like leaving Hannibal out of the Punic Wars. I generally agree with what you’re saying; physical attraction isn’t everything but this thread is about online and yes, online dating is mostly about physical …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 02:21 AM
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Except men flex their power, status, clout, and inklings of their character as much as possible on OLD to get noticed. It’s why the common guy pics are gym selfies, holding fish they presumably just caught, with their other snazzy-dressed guy friends attempting to look like high rollers, etc. It’s all about flexing status to be noticeable. Women on the other hand just have to make themselves available on OLD and they’ll get matches by virtue of showing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 02:01 AM
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I had to explain Pet Rocks to a foreigner I went on a date with. She’s probably going to go back to Europe hating Americans even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 01:58 AM
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I’m glad people have finally noticed this. Rollo was compelling for about 15 minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 10:14 PM
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I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to be arrogant or condescending. I’m browsing this stuff too, I can admit when I’ve been had. Usually people find this because the traditional narrative doesn’t work for them. It’s often due to an initial lack of success, many will attest to that. I’m all for people finding alternative routes so long as it doesn’t harm anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 10:13 PM
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inb4 the old way is always better While never fully taking the red pill with regards to gender/sexuality norms, I do remember browsing it about 2014-2015 and gaining quite a bit of insight about self-improvement and how to project more masculinity. There really was a culture of self-help and emphasis on resilience and better socialization, and as a very awkward/angry kid who didn’t quite buy the traditional sex/courtship narratives once I started university I really needed some of that. The guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 08:24 PM
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If you’re in one of the pill subs, you’ve been burnt. A lot of people resort to these new outlooks and strategies to reconcile what went wrong in their lives where the normie narrative route didn’t work, but make the mistake of thinking that their chosen way is superior and everyone else now ought to see it their way. Ironically these pills are much like the horseshoe theory nega-inverse of poly in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 08:02 PM
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My point exactly. Scientism is often mistaken for science. There’s nothing even remotely rigorous nor adherent to any data-driven about this tier list, it’s purely speculative. Many of the women posting here seem to object to it. A priori isn’t inherently bad, but at least be honest about the fact that it’s a priori.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 05:56 PM
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Yeah I wouldn’t want to find that out personally, I’m neurotic enough as is lol. Props for putting it out there though! I can sort of agree with that. I don’t think there are many differences with each of these categories within about two tiers, the differences between 8.0 and 9.0 aren’t very apparent, but 5.0 is noticeable from 3.0. I think that speaks to how there’s quite a bit of fluidity within these ranges, it’s hardly a damming indictment if you’re on the 6.0 like many people here would sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 03:32 PM
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According to science This sounds more like an argument for scientism over the scientific method. A numerical tier list to gauge attractiveness is always going to be subjective. There is no sort of academic rigor nor statistical bearing here. What you’re listing is a possible trend in what some women might consider attractive, ranked according to subjective standards based on the internal logic of your chosen belief set. The fact that a list like this will always incite all sorts of objection fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 03:27 PM
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Accurate according to whom? The first 3-4 rows look like chiseled plastic figurines, with one major outlier who looks youthful (he’s the most attractive one IMO) and things don’t start to get better until about the 6.0-7.0 range. This Avan Jogia guy is only a 6.5? What?? And Charles Melton looks like he’d rape and strangle you if you talked to him outside the bar after close but he’s way up with the 8.5’s. Attraction is so subjective, guys. Tiers are dumb, leave that shit for anime.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 02:32 PM
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Yup, this is it. I’d argue that women are generally much more conscious of their appearance as it’s heavily socially enforced for them to care a lot about what others think of them. To them, attention = validation. Men are often much less socialized period, don’t pick up on social cues as much, and women rarely make any moves. I’m not surprised at all this guy had no idea he was attractive. Tbh, he also comes off slightly on the spectrum so that’s a big factor to consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 10:11 PM
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Absolutely. It’s basically the typical masculine traits ratcheted up to a point where they’re antisocial and harmful to others, and/or maladaptive to the individual man with said traits. Ex: If “competition” is typically a masculine trait, the toxic version of that would be “dominance.” If “focusing on individual needs” is typically masculine, the toxic version would be “greed.” “Rational” becomes spun into “willfulness.” “Assertiveness” becomes “narcissism.” And so on. The problem with determin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 01:37 PM
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A lot of it is dependent on personality and how you carry yourself. Do you give off that masculine, confident vibe in spite of your appearance, or do you live up to it fully? I won’t sugar coat it, a lot will write you off in your college years if you look young (I remember often being accused of being a high schooler who snuck into the party), but it helps when you age. I don’t want to jinx it, but while a lot of the other guys I’ve known are already balding and getting wrinkles, I still look l…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 12:40 PM
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I dunno, a lot of men will get fucked in the ass and still think they’re the one on top. Topping from the bottom/power bottoming are a thing for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 01:49 PM
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Some of these scenarios are downright silly, and not going against a maniac with a Ruger to protect some stranger while unarmed is more stupid than heroic. These are strawmen towards a point being made. If you’re out and about and a woman feels unsafe, and you not only have vetted the situation to show that she is not only genuinely in danger but also you reasonably can help out without escalating the situation then yes, I think it’s your duty as a man to help out someone who may be physically w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 12:29 PM
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The very nature of where they’re posting makes the argument flawed. I hate making personal attacks, but something to consider for context: I’ve seen that OP in quite a few subs make posts and threads about how she’s a sex worker who’s pissed that men won’t date her seriously because of her chosen career. It’s pretty easy to understand why she’d come up with the conclusion that men don’t actually like being around women when her very occupation is to help men get a quick nut. She’s probably not e…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:14 PM
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Because men are expected to be providers and take charge of/lead sexual interactions. The reasoning isn’t too complicated, but it’s definitely something I wish was more egalitarian. This could be addressed via open/honest communication between both partners regarding likes/dislikes, guiding your partner through certain acts, and vetting who you have sex with in terms of proper chemistry and interactions rather than impulse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 09:03 PM
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Well first way I know you’re on PPD too much and think in terms of stereotypes: No, fitness is not relative to income. Have you seriously never seen a jacked working class dude? Construction workers? Anyone in a trade that requires manual labor? And as if lower income men don’t go to the gym? You think they don’t flex athleticism and physique as a status symbol in the hood? Come on. The amount of creativity required to spin this bullshit narrative could be spent on so much more than Reddit shitp…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 01:47 AM
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Generally off the internet, it’s women throwing a fit about social standards. Men either don’t give a shit or don’t vocalize it publicly. On the internet, well, different story. The discussion here will be skewed by anonymity and echo chambers. But in general, this stuff is usually more socially acceptable to be spoken by women in real life so that’s who’s putting out these narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 06:57 PM
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No. Not even sure what you’re talking about. This is yet another moment where PPD does not match reality and relies solely on stereotypes. Guys of any height can pick a fight. Have you really never seen tall dudes throw down?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 04:07 PM
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Yes. Body dysmorphia and eating disorders are a perfect example of this in women. Suicide and substance abuse are perfect examples of this in men. I’ll also throw a hot take in there: violent crimes also probably have some degree of trying to maintain the appearance of physical attractiveness (“if I demonstrate I can beat the shit out of this guy I am now the dominant male, here here ladies”). Not sure who’s got higher rates of depression but I’ll wager it’s men at this point given how underrepo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 12:14 PM
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This is hardly a revelation. Men will readily put up with substandard women for sex, and women will put up with horny men they don’t really connect with for attention. That’s not a grand awakening so much as the status quo.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 11:30 AM
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I’d probably projected my own meaning as to what he was saying, which is basically your last point. I tend to think many (if not most) men don’t really screen their options thoroughly and are largely influenced by being horny, at least initially. Could also be a difference in personal philosophies here, as I think if you’re able to cohabitate and be in a relationship with most people presented to you, you might just be far too agreeable (hypothetical “you,” not you specifically).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 08:12 PM
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I half disagree with this. A lot of men will continually enforce women being low and boring because they will put up with all manner of low and boring in order to get laid. Not saying it’s entirely men’s fault (there’s two sides here), but that’s definitely a contributing factor. Men’s response in general is only “I’m going to work on improving myself” if your media feed or echo chamber is one of self-improvement and dating strategies. If you think this for men generally, it’ll blow your mind ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 08:09 PM
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I get what he’s saying though, if you find that you’re interested in and compatible for partnership with the majority of your options, you might’ve failed to differentiate yourself in some meaningful way or established a solid set of standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 08:03 PM
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He’s sleeping with the fishes, so pretty low.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 02:50 AM
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Hot chick syndrome Go to a bar on a Saturday night for about 2 minutes and you will notice this in spades. I’ve seen outright horror stories unfold relating to this. There are some things that you just know intuitively that a less attractive woman or a guy wouldn’t get away with. Don’t need to get too creative with it to figure out why.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 06:09 PM
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The halo effect is a pretty strong motivator. People will give someone attractive a pass on quite a bit more than someone average or straight-up homely would get for the same acts. It’s not particularly gendered, as I guarantee we’ve all seen the hot girl at the bar get away with some downright incorrigible shit that a less attractive girl would’ve been thrown out for, much worse if it were a guy. To answer your question though I wouldn’t say they’re any inherently less creepy. We’ve all heard a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 06:01 PM
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None whatsoever. I cannot get it up if she doesn’t love Type O Negative almost as much as she hates herself :(
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:24 AM
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Ahegao is pretty cringey tbh but if someone did that for me after being blown I wouldn’t be opposed 🤷🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:46 PM
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Underrated point. E-girls bite off goths hard, goth was originally much more subdued and demure in terms of sex appeal. There was definitely a hint of it, but it wasn’t overt. E-girls took a lot of the tropes from it and jacked them up to 11. Nowadays it’s probably safe to assume someone who dresses like that ain’t gonna want to jam to Depeche Mode or Siouxsie and the Banshees with you. It’s the “into bondage” kinda look without any of the music.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 06:50 PM
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Yes. For me it’s indicative of possibly shared music taste and putting effort into their looks. I don’t specifically seek it out as a necessity for attraction but if it’s there, I’m going to notice. Regarding the “anti-girly” comments, goth is girly as fuck tbh. It’s more so “not like other girls” than tomboy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 06:42 PM
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babebux Yeah this sounds like the most cynical shit ever. Deliberately date someone you don’t find attractive with the hope she’ll put you on a pedestal? I’m not looking for a maid. I said in the middle of the post I never jived with the red pill. This is why.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:48 PM
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Saw that thread and unfortunately, I identify with that post in leaps and bounds. Just about every relationship or dating scenario I’ve had, I was the one planning stuff outside the bedroom. I don’t know if it’s a universal experience or just who I’ve wound up with, but in general my experience with women is that they assume “happy sex life = happy man.” Everything else hinges on me, and I’m expected to be some mindreader for their approval. By nature I’m just not a people pleaser and I don’t ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:36 PM
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No. It just proves that celebrities are on a whole other level of fucking crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 06:56 PM
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In my immediate friend group, I’ve got one close lady friend who’s been a cheater. She’s cheated on two partners, one a woman she was with for a couple of months, and another a man whose family she lived with for about 3-4 years. Those relationships were pretty dysfunctional and she was out of town for work a lot; those aren’t excuses but just providing background. Being the close guy friend from back home who would drink with her often, I knew quite a bit of shenanigans and confronted her a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 01:39 PM
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Feeling used is hardly exclusive to women. As long has sex has existed, women who realize they’re better at getting it than others have capitalized on this fact to get what they want. Of course that’s not to say all attractive women do this, but it happens. Some people are just varying degrees of callous and know how to exploit their way to their goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:34 PM
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Weird but not uncommon. Tends to be a cultural thing from what I’ve noticed. It’s also the caveat to having a unisex group of friends in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 04:27 PM
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I didn’t luck out with that growing up, we came from a shitty neighborhood so we were kind of all overprotective. I don’t like being told what to do so it bugged me in later years and I’ve drifted from them. Didn’t really start making friends I connect with my more spontaneous vibe a lot better until I started going to bars and concerts alone. Having needy friends is a major block.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 03:58 PM
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Tbh a lot of guys feel that way, they just don’t really open up about it because we’re the ones who are supposed to expect sex and then “stumble” into a relationship. Being emotionally open is not our strong suit. We all know the guy who hooks up with a girl once and then crushes hard on her only for her to not really be into it by the next morning.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 03:33 PM
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Feeling used after a one-night stand? I’ve never been a one-night kinda guy for that reason (that and I don’t want to make her feel used), so it’s something to consider. I know I’ve felt used before in a hookup scenario personally, and quite a few guys I’ve known have wound up trying to go after a girl they had hooked up with only for her to still be pursuing other guys. So it’s not something that never happens, just something no one really talks about (we’re not supposed to have feelings, accor…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 03:19 PM
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Jesus Christ, story of my life. I had to ditch my friend group to start going out and meeting women. If you have the type of friend group who isn’t okay with you splintering off and doing your own thing for the rest of the night, everyone has to be together at all times and no mischief whatsoever, then you’re not going to meet anyone interested in sex. Simple as. You have to hang out with the kind of people who embrace that your night may take a weird direction you’d never planned, that you may …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 02:13 PM
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Normiepilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 09:10 PM
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So it’s this, but scaled x10 as our world has become much smaller due to the constant potential for communication and the illusion of infinite options. I think you’re tacitly admitting the problem is worse by saying it’s the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 07:25 PM
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I think it’s something people need to discuss more. God forbid a man isn’t interested in having sex with or dating someone, must be a character flaw because we always have to be on board when sex might be involved. Men do a piss job of reinforcing this double standard too by the way, not wanting to go home with someone that night is often met with some jab at your sexuality (“what are you, gay?”) by one of the bros. I’ve seen women do that plenty too, but I noticed they tend to get more triggere…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 07:20 PM
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Except that probably isn’t too common if you hang out with men in real life. I think you’re making snap judgments here based on what you’ve seen online. I could also be self-selecting here because I hang out in bars and music venues a lot and that’s where people are usually looking to get laid, but in my experience no, her ever engaging in casual sex before isn’t a red flag in and of itself and for most men that can actually be a turn-on, but there’s a certain quantity (and this differs for ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 01:41 PM
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I don’t really see this playing out in real life. In my experience, men don’t usually write off women for having had an occasional bout with casual sex. For him, that’s often a signifier that she’s at least explored herself a bit and is open to the possibility of sex rather than being a choir girl (“awesome she likes sex, I’ll probably get laid soon!”). Usually the ones men are writing off as relationship potential are the ones who either currently make a habit out of casual sex (“yeah she’s pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 01:23 PM
2

I don’t care about the survival of TRP, I want it to die along with the rest of these stupid pills. I’m not sure why you’re bringing that up when I’m clearly not invested in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 12:22 PM
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There’s a grain of truth there but of course masked by a very internet level of sweeping generalizations, quite possibly because of who you’ve interacted with here. A lot of women really aren’t into casual sex. After the usual night out here, if anything it’s probably a shocker how many women aren’t going home with a stranger that night given how commonly it’s portrayed. Stats usually show that casual sex is something women usually engage in once or twice, and are then done with. On the the othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 11:42 AM
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So the solution is to be just as shitty and toxic right back at them? Doesn’t sound like it’s going to get us anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 01:42 AM
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Like that Th Simpsons hasn’t been good in 20+ years and it was time to call it quits a while ago? (Sorry, had to) Anyways, to get back on topic: This isn’t true though. A lot of what the “pill” ideologies teach is counterintuitive for someone who wants to be in a functioning, mutually loving relationship. Red pill and pickup teach men to be an idealized version of an “alpha” only to appeal to the most superficial women for maximum short-term gain without realizing that these behaviors are a feed…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 01:41 AM
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Basically, a man has to be responsible for and in control of every single aspect of his life lest he be labeled a failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 02:48 PM
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Except it doesn’t always line up so neatly like that. What you put into the world isn’t always what you get and vice versa, there are constantly disproportionate and unpredictable outcomes in all aspects of society. This is where the pill stuff just gets it all wrong, the whims of attraction are too difficult and dicey to quantify in the rigid ways they put forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 06:38 PM
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First off, I have to point out this double standard after the uptick in FDS-focused threads that have been popping up here as of late: Why is it that when men determine attraction standards based on arbitrary bullshit they come under scrutiny, but if women do the same it’s “whatever, she can do what she wants”? I’ve seen normal non-FDS women pull off shit like this too, especially when it comes to the height argument (“I won’t date a man under 5’10”, but men are stupid if they write me off for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 02:24 PM
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You really don’t though. If you two happened to have a really strong friendship but one party is really just not feeling any chemistry beyond that, then you can still remain friends if the two of you have both decided it was worth maintaining after the rejection settles down. It’ll require some space for a bit and there may be some things that can be awkward to bring up (like future dates/relationships), but if your friendship was valuable enough before that, then why cut it off entirely? I’m no…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 08:55 PM
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Eh, consider me a counter-example then. I’m really good friends with someone I knew had feelings for me and I never once thought about using her for sex. We just never had chemistry like that. Sometimes you kinda just realize that it’s best to value what you do have, you swallow your pride after the sting of rejection and maintain what brought you two together in the first place. If you two are great friends and you’re able to handle possibly seeing one another date other people when it comes up…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 08:51 PM
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The vast majority? Women get inundated with matches though, did you really interact with everyone? And you’re just one person, this is clearly not everyone’s experience with Tinder. I don’t really know where to begin dissecting this claim, it’s pretty sensational and sweeping. Again this is not really a defense of dating apps (Hinge fucking sucks too IME), but your experience alone is not the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:45 PM
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“A lot” is not “most.” I get that you were being hyperbolic now, but that’s still a pretty flagrant misrepresentation. You made it out to seem like Tinder is Ashley Madison. This isn’t to defend Tinder, it’s a grimy place, but it’s mostly just normal singles looking for a hookup, date, or relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:29 PM
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...what? Tinder is mostly college-aged guys, who statistically are very unlikely to be married in the United States. Where are you getting this from?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:15 PM
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I don’t have a criminal record, but given how these companies have mishandled private information in the past, I can see how there would be many, many concerns about this. It does seem a little dystopian. All I can say is sure, it may help the ladies vet away from men with assault charges, but in my experience on the other side of the dating pool many ladies out there will be dismayed to have their drunk-and-disorderlies, DUI’s, drug possession, breaking-and-entering, etc. charges exposed (yeah,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:10 PM
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One can pretty clearly make the point that it’s evolved into something more than a hookup app though, despite how much its reputation precedes it. To younger Millennials and Zoomers, Tinder is just called “dating.” Many people are on it expecting dates and not just quick sex. Many couples meet via Tinder now. Yeah the hooking up is definitely still going strong there, but it’s also used for platonic friends, Instagram ads, and “real dates” for lack of better terms. Tinder at this point is more a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 05:02 PM
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I might be in the outlier for men here, but due to a lot of factors I can’t just up and be attracted to someone like that. I have to like something about a person before thinking about sex, it’s a trust thing for me. I’ve drunkenly slept in the same bed with women and not even felt anything close to arousal despite her nudging. I don’t want a stranger all up on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 12:08 PM
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Tomato, tomato logic It’s not. A man who is a virgin because he was raised very religious and thinks sex is sacred but still lives an active life, versus a man who is a virgin because he refuses to socialize and prefers to play video games/watch anime all day will be seen differently by women. Granted, women will talk a lot of shit and will still find a reason to make fun of a man for virginity because of the perception that with men everything is their fault to a detriment, and women certainly …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 11:57 AM
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The first point really hits the nail on the head. In my experience, this is what people often use to justify fucking around behind peoples’ backs, leading on, cheating, etc. Rationality may have logic behind it, but does that make it the right thing to do? Your second point is an uncomfortable truth I’ve had to learn to accept. People want to look like a desired in-group. I think we should fight against that as much as possible, I’d hate to see eugenics implemented and the second they try is whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 11:49 AM
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It’s a very known idiosyncrasy that a lot of men secretly want to be “cared for” in bed, despite the image they tend to flex as being competitive/protective. They go on about this in kink a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 11:36 AM
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A lot of it depends on what you can pull off. You’d be surprised at how much just something so simple as a denim jacket and a tee can work for you if you feel like you’re in that element in your outfit. You can be in a sharp outfit and still look nervous. Dress in what you feel confident in.
/r/seduction04/03/21 01:35 AM
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Exactly, I just wish more men could figure this out instead of putting their self-worth into pining after women. A lot of men struggle with that, especially when young.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 10:42 PM
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The men who do this function differently. They genuinely don’t give a shit about the individual woman, they’re your players, your typical pump and dump kinda guys. If he’s really that much of an emotional brick and doesn’t give a fuck she’ll find him irresistible, but he does not care and considers her “just another plate to spin.” This all sounds like TRP logic but I’d like to point out that they fuck up by assuming all women are like this, and that all men ought to be like this to counter it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 09:23 PM
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My man, women are confusing. I’ve really only just been able to reconcile that as I got a little older and started dating again, and after I graduated university, an institution where we’re constantly fed messages that women are the same as us in a cynical ploy to get them into the workforce. They come in with the baggage of how men have treated them before, plus a host of other emotional issues that you’ll find afflict people in professional managerial-obsessed UMC society. Women have all sorts…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 07:06 PM
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I could’ve really used this advice for the last person I dated haha! She was very much of the type OP is describing, very cocky and arrogant but severe body image and trust issues. Even though she was very talkative and seemingly open, even spilling her feelings out to me at some point, she did a complete 180 and bailed when it became clear I had developed the same for her. Really confusing shit. Hit the nail on the head, pointing out that women with low self-esteem will resent you for liking th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 05:21 PM
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Because if they’re self-aware that they’re sexually sought after, they’re tired of men kissing their asses. And yet, the guys who are going to kick them to the curb and don’t give a shit, well, will not give a shit, leaving said girls with a bad impression of men despite the fact that it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 05:15 PM
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Honestly? No idea, and we’ll probably never actually know. There are men who believe college is the only time to be fucking as many women as possible, and will either hook up with as many girls as possible or wildly inflate their body count to reflect this. Regardless of their number, certainly more men were participating in hookup culture than women. There are girls with demented body image, self-esteem, and ego issues who crack under the stress of now having the same societal/economic expectat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 10:09 PM
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Of course society tells women they are to bear most of the emotional labor. Women are constantly seen as caregivers, nurturers, and that comes along with it. This is done irrespective of men. And you’re right, I don’t think either one of us really knows how to go about it. Men infodump their problems, and women sit on their hands not knowing what to do with another three-dimensional human being instead of this cardboard cutout they’d expected in front of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 12:11 PM
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So are you just never going to tell the woman you’re with about your life? Be an enigma forever? Gee, that works out great for emotional connection and mutual value.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 04:55 AM
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Not everything requires an immediate solution, sometimes people just want to vent. This is the classic conundrum that like every therapist, advice columnist, married person, etc. raises about men and women. Men have a tendency of not listening just to listen, they try to solve it when sometimes she just wants to vent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 08:28 PM
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No. You sit there and listen. He’s not always asking her to do his shit for him. It’s part of being in a relationship, just like how women vent. Not always a big underlying meaning to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 07:26 PM
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”men should learn to listen more and take on the emotional labor.” That’s what I’m understanding. “Vulnerability” is a bad way to describe it, because the dictionary and colloquial definition allude to one thing about fear and weakness, while the dating columnist version alludes to another about being self-assured, and yet the way you’ve phrased it here is what the latter party actually intends to communicate. Women don’t actually want men to open up to them though. I don’t know about this, I fl…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 12:30 PM
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I completely get that! It’s something to consider for sure. Unfortunately, even if it’s the latter they still often don’t want to hear it. I don’t want to get too personal about my own life, but one way in which I’ve noticed emotional vulnerability really backfires is when dating women who have been through a fair amount of hardship, trauma, and emotional instability. Twice it’s happened where I finally open up about a difficult past of my own, with a “how I’ve improved, you got this” sort of ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 05:36 PM
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Some women definitely aren’t used to it, and they’re not actually ready to handle another person’s baggage despite what they say. I tend to be pretty emotional for a man, and I’m very, very honest. Keeping quiet and holding things in is not my strong suit. It’s definitely fucked over relationships, but ironically in my last serious relationship I wasn’t like that, but specifically because I didn’t trust her with that information and I wasn’t comfortable opening up with her. It wasn’t manipulativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 04:21 PM
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I never knew why this was, and I don’t like making vast sweeping claims about the other sex, but empirically it is very much true at some point. I’ve been told it’s because many women misinterpret venting about emotional issues as him wanting his problems solved, which adds pressure on her. Fine, I get that, but then if that’s the case why claim that men should be more open if it adds pressure? It’s why dating isn’t really all that fun for me, I hate being subjected to someone else’s mental gymn…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 04:05 PM
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“Be more open and vulnerable.” should actually be “Be more open and vulnerable with the right person.” Many women will see emotional availability as a turnoff. It’s a weird idiosyncrasy us guys have all had to deal with at some point. Her unpacking her baggage is not the point to discuss yours, just shut up and listen. Playing it cool, confident, and like you aren’t afraid to lose her is a better way to alleviate pressure/burden on her end than opening up. Open up with the right woman, not just …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 03:01 PM
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Yeah, and that’s patently incorrect and whatever dumb shit you’re saying about race is tangential. Incels act like it’s oppression. PUA, TRP, and MGTOW acknowledge that women have certain advantages in dating because they are the sought after group whereas men are the ones who put in the effort, and therefore it’s time to change the amount and type of effort you make (pickup/red pill) or just don’t even bother and get into something else (MGTOW). You don’t have to like these ideologies, I’m not …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 03:24 PM
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I mean, you are making shit up at this point. You’re conflating them with incels if you think they’re making this about systemic oppression. You don’t even know what you’re talking about and just want to virtue signal about racism for some reason, which isn’t even relevant to the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 05:50 AM
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Yeah, it’s not really about entitlement, just with the incels. The whole point of pickup and RP is that you need to do something to change your circumstance rather than sit around passively, that is the opposite of entitlement. This isn’t an endorsement of those world views, I’m not an avowed member of either but the rhetoric is more one of desire than entitlement. That word is so common now though that its meaning has been distorted.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 06:16 PM
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I think the other key difference here between manosphere and SJW rhetoric is that the former takes these observations on a certain group and applies them to actions the reader can take to improve their perceived success with them. Hell, it’s called “game” for a reason, the very notion here is that attraction is a game everyone is playing. SJW’s on the other hand are nothing more than gadflies. They critique, critique, critique, but never propose any solutions for themselves. It’s all about how “…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 05:29 PM
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Nah, don’t hype yourself up like that. I just think you’re too ignorant to humor. I never said racism isn’t real, where the fuck did you deduce that from? I’m an ethnic minority, I know very well that it exists, and it’s a lot more than just “whitey hates us.” If you’re going to pop off with stupid shit like this, that’s why I don’t want to humor what you’re saying. Because it’s a waste of time if you’re not even going to engage what I’m saying and just put words in my mouth to further your own …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 05:14 PM
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Well your first sentence outed you as not worth discussing this with lol And your second statement confirms. It’s about time to come up with a better argument against this shit than “REEEEEEEEEE entitlement.” They don’t care, especially because the women they’re going after are entitled as fuck too. I’m not even into red pill but stupid shit like this makes it yet more possible and easy to game.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 05:47 AM
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Yeah cool, tell that to the large rural swathes of the country. That’s not exactly a small population of people who would on paper be considered underprivileged despite their skin tone. Really, don’t go down that route, it’s a losing argument to try to say Appalachia is privileged. I’m not here to have the almost wholly misguided, navel-gazing, and uniformly stupid argument of who has it worse in dating. Go complain about how you have it like sooooo much riskier teehee somewhere else, to someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 12:05 AM
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I understand what you’re saying, but there’s a huge difference. When SJW’s say “x group is privileged” they often have to bend themselves into knots trying to explain why they have a magically easier life for a given characteristic and construct elaborate narratives and fantasies for such. Don’t get me wrong, red pill and incel guys are no strangers to constructing elaborate fantasies about female social matrix and sexual market value and such. However, life as an attractive and/or upper middle …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 09:39 PM
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Putting sex and what women think of you on a pedestal is a great recipe for bitterness, depression, and resentment when you inevitably do not cross the distorted hurdle of success that you’re constructing. Build yourself up, be compelling in other ways, then pursue sex. Self-worth and personal power cannot come from something so fleeting.
/r/seduction24/02/21 08:28 PM
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Not anymore. I won’t lie, when I was younger it really did. It seemed like getting girls was a lot easier for other guys, especially when I went into university coming from a small, sleepy town and had no fucking clue what to do there regarding hookups. Couple that with all the bullshit that short men take and it was pretty disastrous for my self-esteem. Men like to be seen as capable, the problem-solver who can just get up and do things, and being able to pursue women is one of them. It’s very …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 12:35 PM
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Well, they say the last stages of an empire always resemble a weird degenerate version of itself, and the Soviet Union was no different when it became the Russian Federation. The adjustment to capitalism was initially very, very poor - goods flooded the market for either wildly inflated or undercut prices, jobs were scarce, and many turned to crime and the black market to get necessities and cash. With that came all the vices that the poster above was referring to. Combined with the Russian cult…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 12:15 PM
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Tell that to Russia in the 90’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 04:24 AM
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You can have sex when the two of you are ready to have sex. Don’t follow some BS pressure because it seems like society expects you to. Your body, your rules.
/r/seduction22/02/21 07:31 PM
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...at the expense of aggressing on other people. They were about as self-organizing as the Mongols (I don’t want to give them the credit of being as cool as the largest empire in history though). The point is to self-organize on your own accord and not aggress on others in order for it to work. A better example would’ve been if they formed a commune out somewhere where they weren’t bothering anyone, which people do all the time. Hell, Leftists have done that since like the 19th century. It wasn’…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 04:41 PM
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But you’re making an argument against self-organization using something that isn’t self-organization. It’s a moot point. I get what you’re saying, but bad example.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 04:28 PM
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Didn’t they just show up en masse with weapons and tell small businesses they can’t operate because they are now no longer in the US and they have to vacate or face consequences if they’ve got a problem with it? It’s not self-organizing if someone is rolling up and taking your shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 03:32 PM
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Which is why the closest I can come up with is split up, fuck big government, and self-organize. Never going to get it all right, but if people can move freely to an alternative better for them then sure, that’s a remedy. Might be a fantasy though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 03:13 PM
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It’s the implementation of that third party that worries me though. I don’t think any one group should approve and instate cultural interests, I’d rather they arise organically. Self-organization is the better way to go or else we’re just going to run into the same old shit again when the next generation doesn’t seem to agree nearly as much with those values, and that party begins to enforce its norms rather aggressively.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 02:19 PM
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Shit, I understand that as well. This is why it’s a dicey issue. Tbh it’s why I can read as much anarchist literature as can be, and yet I still don’t want fully legalized hard drugs or psychedelics, prostitution, gambling, etc. Like this isn’t the precedent one wants to set for a functioning society. There are countries where these things are either decriminalized (Portugal) or basically legal because they just aren’t really prosecuted (-insert corrupt Southeast Asian autocracy here-) and contr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 01:19 PM
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Gen X came from intact families, which is why they were the latchkey generation that was plagued by drug problems and AIDS and violent crime spiked to all time highs in the US with them. Hm.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 12:21 PM
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Honestly, willing to take downvotes for this but it’s cases like this where I really do wonder what crime is being committed. Sex is incredibly difficult for some men to obtain, but it’s a physical urge for men that puts it up there as something of a need. It really, really doesn’t sit well with me how many women are sold/exploited into sex work. This is the reason I’d never hire a prostitute myself (that, and my own personal pride) but honestly in the golden situation where everything checks ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 02:04 AM
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It’s hardly the forbidden topic. I’ve regularly called out a lot of the stupid double standards that women have in other threads. Frankly I just don’t really want to hear your whining and cope, it’s not really a debate if all you’re going to use is personal stories of how you’ve felt slighted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 01:41 AM
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This gets covered like every other thread and tbh it seems like you’re just going to use it to debate why you personally have trouble scoring dates. It seems like a waste of time commiserating with someone that’s responding to like all of my posts just to whine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 01:27 AM
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That’s great but this is a debate forum, it’s not really for moping about your alleged personal status.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 01:01 AM
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Dude if you’ve actually maxed your stats in every other way and still can’t get a date, then you either haven’t actually maxed your stats or you have some deeper problems with communication. I dunno what to tell you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 12:46 AM
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You’re right, they’re like super dumb and judgmental. So why does it matter what stupid shit they come up with? Is your goal really to appeal to every single woman, or even the majority? This is some self-defeating cope nonsense up in this thread lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 12:30 AM
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Nah I was only using it as an example lol. Serbian women are mad tall, I think Serbians and the Dutch are the tallest people on Earth so it was the first thing that came to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 11:31 PM
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Yeah and then people grow up and grow out of stupid bullshit like that (sometimes). The thing is, it’s not really about being tall, even, just taller than her. That really isn’t hard considering the average woman here is like 5’4”.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 10:35 PM
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Because there’s more to life than what women may or may not think of you...?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 09:50 PM
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Yeah great. And then you get off the internet and out into the real world and see short guys getting laid, dating, and building relationships just like everyone else. Most men are too into themselves to really care about something so stupid as height; when that drags them down they just get another thing to make them attractive and keep going anyway. That’s the positive side of male belligerence right there. Now what’s your excuse? Yes, some women are extra judgy and dumb. Why mope about it when…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 06:30 PM
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Sure, but then those men have no self-esteem or resolve if they’re going to pine after a woman who treats them like trash for a physical feature they can’t help.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 06:18 PM
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It sounds like you’re describing only the most entitled, petty, stunted bitches among 20-somethings. I get that that isn’t exactly a small contingent (believe me, I run into them often as a 20-something guy dating around), but why would anyone even want to be with a woman so trifling and judgmental? That would be horrid. We can’t deny that these women exist, but to go on FDS and mull about, fixating on it and using them as examples for how women feel is pretty useless, especially when you consid…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 05:59 PM
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Would you date a woman taller than you? Yup. I’m 5’6” and women here tend to really run the gamut in terms of height. It’s a pretty shallow characteristic to fixate on; oddly enough I had long thought I had a preference for petite women, but apparently looking at my dating/sexual history most of them tended to have been taller than me. Is there a cutoff limit? Not really. If I run into it I’ll tell you, but there aren’t many 6’3” women in existence outside of maybe a small remote village in Serb…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 05:54 PM
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The last paragraph is something I always stress lol. Women who expect tall men also tend to have tall expectations I’ve noticed. They’re too stuck on convention, and it’s not worth someone’s time to fixate on them if they just aren’t even interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 05:37 PM
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Happy men aren’t going to forums? Someone’s never been to r/AskMen or r/seduction lol, you’re pretty off there. Many of those men are seemingly happy and adjusted, with quite a few even reaching smug self-satisfaction. It’s not only lonely sad men frequenting forums. Maybe they’re coming here or TRP to vent, but come on, that’s a pretty baseless claim that reeks of the old “only maladjusted dorks use the internet” stereotype. Again, you’re not a man, I don’t think you’ve ever experienced the sor…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 11:52 PM
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I think you’re forgetting that in the grand scheme of things, only a minority of dating/relationships are even successful in the first place. I’m also not really sure what your metric for success is. It’s also not exactly the minority of men saying they’ve been ditched because they dared to be emotional. Maybe it’s an age thing, maybe it’s a maturity thing, but clearly not every woman is at the level where she’s ready to handle a man’s emotions despite what she may say. This is hardly an uncommo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 10:57 PM
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It appears we’re talking past each other, or you were talking past the OP and now you’re misrepresenting my point. Approaching strangers in class, at concerts, conventions, something hobby related, etc. is still “in the wild.” They’re still strangers. Of course it’s different from the ridiculous scenario at the gas station you’ve proposed. There’s no need to continue if you’re going to be disingenuous from your original rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 08:39 PM
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I mean, I hate saying it but if dating/sex are your intention then the average guy has zero benefit in that regard from going “monk mode.” As a guy, women heavily value your public persona and social status, and the way to get that out there is through social media. They’ve got to know that you exist out there in the world and people are comfortable around you, and social media is a form of such social proof. I’m merely the messenger here, frankly I fucking loathe that fact and it makes women so…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 07:06 PM
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Lol painting us all with a very broad brush. Yes, these are all extended social circle activities that the OP had mentioned endorsing, but had taken flak for. And I’ve seen it as well, a lot of the bitchy, whiny posts and articles from a certain highly vocal contingent of particularly entitled women complaining about how they don’t want to be approached at conventions, concerts, etc. Why the rebuttal against the OP if you seem to be agreeing with him? These fit very well into the random public a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 06:58 PM
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If we all took up your perspective here, then we’d never ask anyone out and people would stop dating/having sex because we’re all too shy and/or prudish to approach anyone outside of highly curated spaces of “comfort” where such awful, predatory behavior as striking up a conversation with a stranger is seen as permissible. You could almost frame this as an environmentalist argument, because at least it’ll keep our population in check when we’re all too nervous to pursue sex and relationships! Da…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 06:37 PM
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This man gets it lol. It’s always “listen babe, I want you to be open and honest with how you feel, but like in a time and place where I’m ready to hear it, which you’re going to totally have to guess and take a shot in the dark as to when that will be. If it’s at the wrong time and I’m not ready, then I’ll lose all attraction for you and will slowly become more distant until we inevitably break up. Can you handle that, babe?” It’s a pretty tall order to just ask us to “be mature about it” when …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 05:46 PM
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If the sex sucked, then sure. The lack of sexual compatibility from that point on can kill it. What a lot of women who do this don’t realize is that they’ve put sex on a pedestal. Forcibly making him wait as a test of commitment makes sex seem like this material goal to reach that the man she’s seeing ought to strive for. Paradoxically, she doesn’t realize that making him wait so long places so much pressure on the outcome of the sex. So yes, if it’s lame after waiting that long, then mentally h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 05:39 PM
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Women in 2021 love a man who can show their true emotional palette and not fear it, it’s a sign of luxury. I’m going to call bullshit. This is a great example of bestowing false virtue unto women. Most women aren’t ready to handle someone else’s emotional baggage. Oftentimes, they have to go through the trial-and-error process of shedding their prejudices that men have to be emotionally repressed, disciplined bricks at all times, because that’s how most of us men were raised to be and how so man…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 04:32 PM
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Obfuscate the truth? My whole point is this doesn’t have to be super complicated, it’s more about how you make women feel than how attractive you are. An attractive guy can be that, but he sucks at conversation or creating a generally comforting vibe. It doesn’t always go in his favor. Think about how many failed approaches attractive guys have to make before they’re successful too. It sounds like you’ve pedestalized both women and attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 03:00 PM
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Yes, but these are still the places that people are approaching one another to meet anyway. Forget the whole “approaching women” angle for a bit - if you, as a human being, are out in public, you are going to be talked to by someone. It is almost inevitable, it’s just what people do. We’re social animals. When women post rebuttals like this against being approached, they’re flashing back to a shitty experience with a creepy guy who put them in an awkward situation in said place. If someone appro…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 02:32 PM
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But it’s not always about approaching for sex though. Many, many guys doing this just want to strike up a conversation and ask them out for a date. It often seems like a Sisyphean feat when you have all these dumb rebuttals online like what OP is saying, where it seems like there’s a conflicting narrative of “women like confident men who approach, and yet no place is a good place to approach.” You seem to be neglecting that in favor of being snarky. Physical attractiveness and social ability are…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 02:14 PM
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Raw number of views does not translate to agreement on the part of the viewer, nor endorsement of the perspectives addressed in the content. Look I’m gonna call it here, because we’re not discussing anything productive. You’re doing the incel schtick where your goal when refuted is to find self-affirming examples, whataboutisms, refer to circular logic, and be incessantly passive-aggressive to come off as insufferable as possible in a bid to bait the other person into inevitably insulting you, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 08:37 PM
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You realize if I browse an echo chamber shithole like the “where are the good men at” sub, I can also find examples of crap like this that women do? I don’t though, because I refuse to let the actions of a select obnoxious few define all women. Some women are piss, some men are trash. This is not news. You are purposely looking for extreme examples, and blaming all men. Men are not telling other men to do this, that guy is. This is a flaw on your part if you get your impressions of the world fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 08:15 PM
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I don’t think you go outside and talk to regular people if you haven’t noticed this at all. Either that, or you’re selectively not noticing it. This shit happens without an argument all the time lol, people frequently vent about the flaws of the other sex as a whole. With men though, depending on the space you’re in it’s somewhat taboo to take the piss out of women as a whole and people clutch their pearls about sexism (for instance I’m in a bougie blue state suburb, and I work in STEM, so you’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 08:12 PM
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It gets said decently often. TRP stuff is upvoted the most, but if you go down comment spirals it’s often people refuting that stuff. Uh, what do you mean? Civil society generally is fine with women ranting and raving about how men are trash. Have you really never heard women talk shit about their lackluster boyfriends/husbands and how men are all slobs? Maybe the degree to which you do it makes it uncomfortable if you’re coming in with FDS stuff about “pickmeishas” and “scrotes,” but society is…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 07:48 PM
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When did I ever say “PPD isn’t so bad” regarding hateful content? Where are you getting this information about me? Regarding PPD I regularly bite the hand, I know that much of what you find here is misogynistic incel cope trash and dick-swinging TRP stupidity, but I begrudgingly accept its existence because it’s the only place where you can discuss these sorts of issues without it really being an echo chamber since there are so many opinions put out here (that, and every so often some poster her…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 06:01 PM
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...how am I blaming women for anything? Maybe because I typed that up rather quickly some of the point got muddled: I don’t mean women have accountability for the actions of a particularly heinous man committing rape, that is clearly wrong and it’s a crime against them. However, women do have accountability for their actions regarding how they view the world after. If you are going to view the world entirely within the lens of a traumatic incident, then that’s no way to live and you will never m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 05:51 PM
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All that salt’s bad for your blood pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 05:32 PM
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It flew over your head, no need to be salty.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 04:49 PM
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Took me out of context. Use the rest of the quote because that’s where the point is. You are not addressing the argument, you’re cherrypicking. I am not at all disagreeing with what you’ve said here but that is not the crux of my argument and you ought to at least address what I’m saying if you’re going to comment. It’s tangential at best otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 04:40 PM
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PPD typically has something in the realm of a sense of humor, and yet here I am trying to explain sarcasm to a loveless machine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 04:39 PM
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No, I’m suggesting to stop living in fear and that maybe going to an online echo chamber where you’re just going to be told that all men are trash probably isn’t the best coping strategy for women who’ve felt wronged. It’s just going to reaffirm your biases. Ironically it’s pretty low value for a group who are obsessed with netting “high value men.” Shitposting may not be as bad as raping somebody or whatever dumb false equivalence you’re going to come up with, but “not as bad” =/= healthy. Seem…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 03:42 PM
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Yay, let’s just spread more hate! You should take that pitch to the UN, I’m sure they’d love your “give hate a chance” message. What you’re saying here essentially teaches individual women they ought to blame men and the world for their piss circumstances rather than take any real power for themselves. Congrats, you’re proving my point. Exhibit A, everyone. Here’s a pro-tip: If what you’re prescribing flies in the face of what modern psychotherapy/counseling would tell a patient what to do, then…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 03:22 PM
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More valuable to help women realize they don’t need to settle for someone shitty because they can live their life in a fulfilling way without a man. Except they do it by being the most obnoxious, shaming, petty bitches possible with wildly inflated egos. All that sub is about is trashing anything and everything about men, to a point where they unironically microanalyze memes and try to apply them to real life (a la redpill), teaching the unfortunate women there that men suck and you have to spit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 02:51 PM
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The manosphere is generally a toxic cesspit of an echo chamber that typically attracts men more interested in trading self-affirming beliefs about how all women are terrible, so you’re going to get a lot of that there. However, as a man who doesn’t live an extremely online life and is pretty distanced from all that I can tell you for sure that women are just as guilty of doing the exact same shit. Women are quite often lacking in that inherent virtue that culture at large and much of the interne…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 11:10 PM
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I mean, I’m not going to pretend that there aren’t women who don’t revel in seeing men lonely due to a combination of spite from a man/men plural having wronged them, and general human pettiness. It’s not just confined to Reddit, I’ve had female friends who straight up call men “virgin losers,” tell them to “man up,” or even homosexual slurs because he complains about being single at age ___ or isn’t getting laid to the degree he’d like. A few years ago, I pretty fondly remember spilling my dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 09:16 PM
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Eh. Many of the posts you see here tend to be more respectful than this, it’s not like the usual “yo how do I spin more plates” pickup. There’s just as much here about self-help/improvement than there is about sex. I’m not going to pretend we’re all of the finer gentry but there is something of a standard here I’ve noticed, it’s why I like this sub. It ain’t just the typical “yo here’s how you spin more plates and fuck bitches.” I see what you mean, but this reads like some creepy neckbearded wh…
/r/seduction17/02/21 06:31 PM
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...I’m imagining Jon from Garfield wrote this after the one time he got lucky with a drunk girl at 4 AM in Old San Juan or Little Havana. I rarely ever pull the race card, but I hate the perspective that the women of my people all have low standards and will just go for any white guy with basic Taco Bell menu Spanish and rudimentary salsa steps after two shots of tequila. Fuck outta here with this corny shit, Latina women aren’t all disposable dancing whores for your entertainment.
/r/seduction17/02/21 05:51 PM
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This one really runs the gamut. I have guy friends who are players, and I have guy friends who really struggled for years before finding “the one” and they seem happy with her. My girl friends also really vary - my best friend growing up is now a scumfuck degenerate who has sex for drugs; she has no problem finding FWB’s but has had only one relationship (to her credit it was longterm, but also very abusive). My other female friends have zero issue getting into LTR’s, but one has a bad habit of …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 05:42 PM
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My dad wasn’t really like that, he was more so bummed that I wasn’t into sports but begrudgingly accepting. The others on my dad’s side of the family though, they were aggressively pushed into getting into lacrosse, wrestling, women’s soccer, football, all those douchebag scholarship sports. My cousins (their dads) are the ones I specifically had in mind about getting drunk and pissed at the TV over sports. This is the bougie side of my family if you could imagine that, they were all pushed craz…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 05:03 PM
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I’m remembering this as someone who was an athlete growing up, and there were parents who would get fucking pissed at their kids if they lost. That can’t be good for their self-esteem. The milder version of this is the dad that gets drunk and yells at the TV when his favorite sports team loses.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 11:58 AM
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I don’t know the conversations you two have, but me personally, I’d wonder why she’s already so keen on bringing up her ex. The first few dates should be about getting a feel between you two, not dwelling on the past like you’re one of her girlfriends. It sounds like she hasn’t exactly come to terms with this guy yet, hence the projecting such treatment onto you. Just keep playing it smooth, act a little aloof when she brings him up (ie, don’t let it be known that your guard is up here), and be …
/r/seduction17/02/21 04:17 AM
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You’re overthinking it. Don’t just go diagnosing people with personality disorders because you’re nervous, it’ll be the death of what you have with her. Frankly I perk up my ears whenever a girl I’m with mentions “oh my ex was such an asshole/idiot,” because in my experience when they say that about another ex to a point where I see a pattern, I can’t help but wonder which of those two I’m going to be. It can be a red flag, depending on the frequency that she mentions it, or it can be that she’s…
/r/seduction17/02/21 03:50 AM
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Boom, there’s your answer. She’s being cautious. There’s no real playbook here other than just keep being you, and don’t rely so much on texting to get to know her (ie, text mostly for logistics as opposed to conversation). I know it sounds dopey and counterintuitive, but there’s a point where you just have to let her come to you. If she’s not over the defense mechanisms that her toxic ex might’ve brought about in her then that’s on her to get through, it’s not in your control.
/r/seduction17/02/21 03:39 AM
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It sounds like she has attachment issues. Maybe she’s nervous that she’s interested because she was hurt before. I think by about the 4th or 5th date you two could start talking about some deeper things about yourselves, but don’t start praying about trying to figure this out, let it come out naturally. My suggestion is stop trying to get to know her so well over text. I hate doing the “fake ignoring texts” thing because it feels like a game, but sometimes you’re genuinely busy with work or scho…
/r/seduction17/02/21 03:11 AM
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Your last sentence is the only thing that matters, frankly. Drugs are wildly different in terms of experience for people, the only thing that can be accounted for are whatever physical effects, side effects, and that you’re probably going to feel like shit at some point, be it nausea during or a hangover after. They aren’t a hack for social success, and they can actively be detrimental in other ways. I wouldn’t recommend psychedelics especially so generally as OP does because they can change som…
/r/seduction15/02/21 11:54 PM
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...eh, I’ve got some issues with that line of reasoning. Sure, you can turn that bad trip around, but that is entirely dependent on the person, the substance used, etc. Too many variables there. The bad trip I mentioned wound up being productive, but holy shit I would never recommend anyone do what I did to realize what I eventually came away with. When I came back to Earth I was lost in the middle of the woods, crying on the forest floor and covered in mud while it was raining in rapidly declin…
/r/seduction15/02/21 10:09 PM
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Listen bud, you’ve got hope. If there’s anything I learned from Terminator 2 it’s that killer cyborgs can turn around and make a decent dad. You just might be what every single mom needs for her latchkey son.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 09:00 PM
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The statistics nerd in me is wondering what the sample for that looks like. What’s the age of your sample? We all know that as people age, their metabolism slows down, they exercise less, they may develop arthritis or some ailment that affects physical activity, if women they’ve often had children, and consequently this can cause them to pack on a few pounds. This matters because the majority of people who are on the dating market or looking for new sexual partners are younger, but you may be pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 05:54 PM
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Upvoting for the most part, but why the last sentence? Psychedelics aren’t something to be toyed around with nilly-willy. Been down that route, have friends that are/were into them, and they are very, very intense - you can either wind up having a life-reaffirming experience that restores your faith in love, or you can have a traumatic experience involving a conversation with the bloodied corpse of a dead relative telling you the Vietcong is after you. They really aren’t for everybody, especiall…
/r/seduction15/02/21 04:04 PM
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Generally giving, nurturing demeanor. Keeps vices in check (no issues with alcohol/substance abuse, gambling, porn, etc., ie if he engages in these they don’t consume him). Able to maintain a steady friend group. Has a productive hobby he really loves. Level-headed, keeps his cool in most situations. Doesn’t badmouth women. Has a sense of humor, realizes that life doesn’t always need to be dire serious. Can keep competition friendly. Is okay with failure. Knows how to be himself in any social si…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 03:11 PM
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I call bullshit. Again, purely anecdotal but in my suburban area here a ton of people use public transportation or Uber. It’s not like none of them get laid, matter of fact I’ve got some real player friends who don’t have cars. Not having a car may limit options in some ways, but again, refer to OP. Being comfortable in your own skin is really what matters the most, and a guy who’s comfortable with himself probably doesn’t sweat that he doesn’t have a car. Owning a car is not the know-all-and-be…
/r/seduction15/02/21 02:01 AM
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I don’t have to acknowledge jack shit in that regard. I don’t know what rhetorical corner you’re trying to back me into here. Both of those points can be true. Who’s “most of you?” Awful things happen all the time that the police either willfully don’t respond to or take forever to get to. Their effectiveness at preventing crime is hotly debatable. Some of the highest crime areas are also the most policed (inb4 dEFuNd, no, I’m not suggesting that). Yes, and those people are twice the morons for …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 01:55 AM
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One can criticize the police and not be one of those CHAZ assholes. They are hardly mutually exclusive. The force that claims to protect and serve us routinely engages in bribery, civil asset forfeiture, abuses the very drugs they confiscate from criminals, and reduces our ability to protect ourselves and our property with arbitrary bans and regulations on firearms. You needn’t be a violent anarcho-communist LARPing “the revolution” to notice the idiosyncrasies of the police force. The BLM riots…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 01:27 AM
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All you ever say to everything is “they’re not entitled to sex” like it’s a mantra lol. Do you have this tattooed on you anywhere? The intelligence apparatus is the enemy of the people, and police often overstep their boundaries to flex authority over individuals. Boosting their power in any way fucks all of us. Surveillance and wars of imperialism are horrifying. Why would you want them to get involved? Do you not see how granting a power mad group of men further power actually goes against you…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 01:05 AM
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I generally agree that affirmative/enthusiastic consent, “it’s either fuck yes or fuck no” are dumb concepts put forth by people who either aren’t having sex, or aren’t aware of some deeper sexual psychology concepts. However: No one in a real life sexual situation is stopping and verbally asking if “X is OK” Disagree. More conscious people do ask about this, and it’s not always the awkward showstopper that people typically arguing against affirmative consent tend to make it out to be. There’s a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 12:31 AM
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...so enforce the status quo of discontent men using the police state? Wouldn’t it just be easier to address the problem in a way that makes people happier? Did you really just suggest the CIA as an option for men who aren’t getting laid enough? Because that’s what it looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/21 11:50 PM
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I’m not claiming it’s all of society, though I think we can at least acknowledge that there are some societal expectations from both sexes that have changed for the worse with the advent of widely available porn and dating apps. We both have fantastical and unreasonable expectations of one another, and communication/commitment standards have dropped. Women are not immune to this and perpetuate it too, don’t do the inverse of what you’re claiming and blame men for this. But they’re not all callin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 09:15 PM
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But this isn’t all about blame. This is where your resentment shows. Not everyone who has a lackluster sex life is an incel. You’re not actually talking about all men, just a particularly bitter subset. Men aren’t making their blue balls your problem. It’s not always about “getting blown by Stacy” or whatever stupid memes you’re about to invoke because you can’t be honest and stop speaking in generalizations for even a second. Men are voicing their discontent with their sex lives, and there are …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 07:23 PM
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This has nothing to do with simps and incels. Not all men who are displeased with their sex lives are simps and incels. This is why sex therapists and dating coaches exist. It’s a normal thing to seek help for this especially because it’s increasingly common for men to be isolated from the dating scene. Eh, part of it is societal though. Dating apps fuck up women’s expectations of men and inflate their value just as much as they distort men’s expectations of women and sex. You are dodging it. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 06:47 PM
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They have voiced that it is a problem. You have no point there, you’re merely trying to play with semantics. Vapid. So you’ve just revealed your outlook and distaste for men, as if that wasn’t apparent lol. If you think sex is inherently violating and distrust men, then that’s your own problem. You’re dodging my question though. I didn’t say “if he makes it a societal issue,” I’m asking what you would tell him if he very plainly told you about his dating woes and that he wants to have sex, but h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 05:58 PM
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There you go again. You have like no substantive arguments so you just repeat dogma lol. Who is saying that they’re “giving sex at someone else’s expense?” This is very much of the Dworkin/MacKinnon outlook, where sex is inherently violating and a zero-sum game for women. It’s pretty cynical. Of course sexlessness is part of the issue, did you not see when I mentioned they’re all virgins? So let me ask you this: If a male friend told you he wishes he could date more or have more sex, would you j…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 05:40 PM
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The vetting thing is a complete non-sequitur and I don’t know what you’re getting at there. I’ll interpret it charitably: Maybe you’re misinterpreting what I meant by “condition,” thinking I’m using it to refer to a disease/mental illness? I’m using condition in the statistical lingo, which just means a generic descriptor for a category. You can fill in the blank there for what the condition is because that’s not important to what my argument is, my argument is that if 40% of a population has an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 05:19 PM
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There you go again with circular logic. At that point, it’s basically just as easy to find people who do have X condition. I would understand your argument if the difference were more apparent, say between 1/5th and 4/5ths, but you’re talking a much more narrow margin here. 1/3rd of any population is not negligible. I don’t think you understand statistics very well. If you ate 1/3rd of a pie, would you not say you’ve eaten a considerable amount of the pie?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 05:06 PM
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I think you’re simply very callous and ignorant. You just spout these almost propagandistic epithets that you seem to think are far more substantive than they really are, and mostly amount to circular logic and a wanton lack of empathy. Masturbation is hardly an apt substitute for sex and companionship, otherwise you wouldn’t see men going on about how lonely they are despite the frequency of masturbation. I agree with lowering expectations. Put more effort into being attractive “Put more effort…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 04:59 PM
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“Men are not entitled to sex” seems to be your go-to default line of script anytime something you say is refuted. Are you a broken record player? Wtf, 40% is almost half. “2 in every 5 people have X condition” means a lot of people have that condition. What are you not getting here? What is your obsession with entitlement?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 04:42 PM
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“You’re not entitled to sex” is nothing but a callous deflection of the issue. Imagine confiding in someone with a problem, and instead of giving them pointers how they can alleviate that problem, you just tell them they’re not entitled to a solution and call it a day. Now what’s the point of that? There’s no issue with men wanting to have more sex; contact comfort is a survival need in primates. That rebuttal is so shaming towards male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:41 PM
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One third of men under 30 being virgins is hardly an insignificant number, that’s a pretty sizable demographic there. Women are just as complicit in perpetuating awful expectations for sex, they’re not all off the hook here. Hell, many of them gleefully participated in the hookup culture and continue to do so. The problems of both sexes could be alleviated via a cultural shift away from hookup culture and towards more holistic representations of attraction away from just physique and resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 12:37 PM
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...which is why I built on that by stating friendships and relationships as well, which require respect. You’re preaching to the choir here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 06:34 PM
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Been there, I unfortunately know what it’s like to start making bad decisions and wallow in self-perpetuating misery. This is often what’s running through the heads of people who do that, “why does this moron stick around for someone so damaged as me?” Part of knocking women off the pedestal is realizing those things you mentioned (I’d also like to add “commitment, integrity, and boundaries” to that list) simply don’t mean the same things to everyone. Knowing when to walk away, realizing this pe…
/r/seduction11/02/21 04:37 PM
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You’re only thinking about all this in terms of yourself, not big picture enough. It’s not exactly a TRP idea to think that men often strive for power and influence via achieving greatness, because authority is often a way to achieve sexual success. That idea has long preceded TRP. Before you make any other claims there, I think red pill is pretty stupid so let’s get that out of the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 04:32 PM
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That sort of competitiveness is often motivated by sex, especially in men. I know it sounds pretty Freudian, but it’s not like we all stick our necks out there to work ourselves to death, devote our lives to niche professions, and shoot for greatness not expecting to get laid for it. Sexuality is definitely a motivator for performance in the workplace. This of course benefits women in terms of the attention and validation they receive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 04:28 PM
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I mean, I personally dislike it too, but unfortunately sex is everywhere and it’s a caveat of having men and women together. There’s always sexual tension in some way when you pit men and women together in the same room. Sexual dynamics often influence us to compete for performance. I would never, ever advocate saying such slobbish things to women, so don’t misinterpret this as such, but you’re never going to neuter society. You don’t have to jump in on the bandwagon, but understand that sex is …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 04:22 PM
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It took me years of fucking this up before I got it, so just trying to spread the wisdom if I can spare some people the confusion. Really guys, it’s not always about us or something we did. We often walk into situations with our hands tied, with women who have a ton of baggage they’ve never navigated and it screws the relationship. We can’t help that, sometimes the red flags are barely visible and we didn’t know this going in. We’re not mind readers, and interpreting women’s psychological drama …
/r/seduction11/02/21 04:05 PM
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Your flair is really showing. Talk to your fellow men It’s not my responsibility to lecture them so. Plenty of women benefit from and are very willingly complicit in society being hypersexual. Nasty comments are merely a caveat. Being pumped and dumped isn’t exclusive to women. Plenty of women adapt to the hypersexual environment by turning sex into meaningless recreation and don’t realize that they’re often just as bad as men in this regard. When did I ever say I was comfortable with this behav…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 03:47 PM
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Okay? It almost sounds like you’re lecturing me on common sense. Plenty of men do those things, and plenty of men don’t. In my life, I could never imagine making any sort of comments like what you’ve stated here and many men would agree there. It’s not all bad out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:40 PM
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It’s not so coordinated in the way that your last paragraph implies, more so a byproduct of two important factors: Most women are unaware of what they actually want in a man, they simply go with their emotions and what other people think of their choices. Most people are generally not self-aware enough to call out their own double standards or understand how their biases may shun them out of certain opportunities. Due to a combination of the feminist movement and rising living costs of the 1980’…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:21 PM
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Go cry in front of your girl and see how much longer it lasts. I’m being facetious there, but seriously, most women aren’t ready to handle men’s emotions. They have shit impressions of us having to be strong, stoic, competitive problem solvers all the time to a point that they’re surprised we’ve got baggage of our own. Most women are completely fine dumping their problems on men, but the second he brings up that he’s afraid to do a certain thing because of something terrible that happened years …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 01:30 PM
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That’s really stupid. Have they never seen men have pleasant interactions, friendships, and relationships with women? It sounds like a sweeping claim based on something totally bogus. I’ll have to read that thread but it sorta sounds like a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 01:08 PM
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“Respect” is one of those pesky loaded terms like “vulnerability.” I give everyone the same basic level of default decency, but there’s no way you’re earning my respect if I haven’t seen you even do anything of merit yet. I have the exact same default basic decency for men that I do for women. It’s rarely been my experience that people diminish women for their achievements on the basis of them being women, but I realize that because I work in the hyper culturally/politically progressive STEM fie…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 12:36 PM
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She’s too busy protecting herself to realize that she’s playing herself. Shit, that hit hard. Not enough people are ever really willing to admit that women get crap messages about dating/sex too, and often feed them to each other in a never-ending cycle. It’s only ever about how men often have distorted expectations for sex and relationships, and women seem to get off the hook here. I say this not because I’m about getting even, but because I used to be the dreaded nice guy OP’s discussing and p…
/r/seduction11/02/21 01:53 AM
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Absolutely. There are female coomers for sure. If there’s one thing the internet has taught us, it’s that women masturbate and have crazy sexual fantasies/fetishes just like men. Is frequent porn use and masturbation a red flag? I’d say so. I wouldn’t want to be with someone who has a fucked-up impression of sex. We’re constantly taught that men simply don’t know how to make women orgasm, that our own physical sensitivity and expectations of sex are ruined by porn use, so why would we expect a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 01:27 PM
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I’m sorry, I rarely agree with the general consensus here but if we’re being honest the “dating advice” version of vulnerability (“don’t be afraid to be yourself and put yourself out there!”) is a bit of a semantic game. Vulnerability absolutely includes being emotional in front of women. It’s something most men are afraid of being judged for, so it certainly counts. It’s just a matter of not doing that all the time, or even anytime depending on the woman. Yes, I agree that you shouldn’t be with…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:57 AM
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A great way to have social proof in person is by showing up to whatever outing you are attending with a group. Talk to your friends, make banter with other regulars. This gives the impression that you’re social and people like having you around. I’d like to add to this - frankly, how necessary is social proof via social media for finding dates, FWB, SO’s, etc.? Aside from Reddit (which I don’t discuss I use in person), I don’t have social media. I have an Instagram that I made on a whim while hu…
/r/seduction08/02/21 04:39 PM
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Jordan Peterson isn’t expressly red pill, followers of red pill have given that title to him by proxy. To my knowledge, he hasn’t really collaborated with manosphere personalities. Hell, he did a long ass segment with Camille Paglia, does that sound TRP to you? TRP runs counter to much of his argument, it blames women for all their problems when he says you should look within first. That’s not censorship, that’s the rules of individual subreddits. Your analogy is effectively like saying it’s cen…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 12:29 AM
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I’ll agree that Reddit has some dumb rules about what subs are allowed and what gets banned, but red pill subs are generally such fucking cesspits that defending them is hardly a free speech issue. The fact that some pickup subs (r/seduction being a major one) are still around well after that style fell out of the public eye, but red pill ones get banned probably points more to the conduct of TRP’s demographic more than censorship. It’s an openly misogynist and hateful community where users are …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 11:03 PM
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No one finds TRP relevant enough to censor it en masse, dude. That’s pure fantasy. I’ve noticed TRP views/posters tend to get banned from forums and most publications won’t humor it, but this is often because its followers can’t help but be antagonistic and argue in piss poor faith using botched stats and deliberate obfuscations of psychology, very similar to the reason why incels often get banned from subs. The misogyny and encouragement of abusive/manipulative behavior are pretty blaring and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 10:36 PM
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Disagreement is not always a sign of being threatened. You’re navel-gazing. TRP may irritate the average feminist activist who’s aware of its existence, but the Cathedral ultimately doesn’t give a damn about it. Most people have either never heard of it or think it’s wacky, even those who aren’t avowed feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 10:09 PM
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You are completely deluded if you think feminism is actually threatened by TRP. They have the universities and Hollywood, who the fuck cares what Rollo Tomassi thinks?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 09:22 PM
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My man. I’m going to be very real here: Red pill doesn’t even make a dent on feminism. Feminism is the status quo in education, history class, current politics, universities/academia, the professional workplace, STEM, Hollywood, corporate news media, etc. Basically every elite institution has co-opted and preaches feminism. A couple of shitposters jerking off to field reports on a subreddit cannot hope to threaten the elite institutions anytime soon. The individual feminist activist may be agita…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 08:57 PM
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Eh, tbh men with Dark Triad traits are often more sexually successful in terms of raw numbers. There’s no disputing that, you’ll find a million studies backing that up. Used to work in the psych field, that was touted constantly. I’d argue for personal fulfillment though, and just to be a better, more empathetic human being not on the wrong side of karma and who doesn’t want to make a ton of enemies, stop treating women like objects to be conquered. Treating others as expendable resources for eg…
/r/seduction07/02/21 03:58 PM
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There’s an inkling of self-help in there in the vein of pickup, I do agree that if you scratch the very surface of it, it can help a man understand that modern women aren’t so quick to value or understand commitment as in times past, so yes it can help you have some fun when you’re young. But the end result is becoming the polar opposite flipped universe male version of the same unstable high-N women that TRP claims a man should never even touch. It’s much like FDS in that it throws the baby out…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 07:30 PM
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No, it’s not an argument for TRP. The fact that not being a “nice guy” gets men laid may well be an argument that women don’t like nice guys, I’d agree with you there, but TRP has so much other shit packed into it aside from merely “don’t be a nice guy” that it’s hardly an argument for the broader belief set. What gets you laid often and what brings sustained happiness are often two different things. TRP is just like pickup in that it may teach you how to achieve temporary happiness through sex,…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 06:52 PM
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And who says he’s a sorry slob? Maybe she stayed because she likes him better than someone who was obviously just there to hit and quit. You’re already stigmatizing relationships, already showing the disdain that red pill has for women and commitment. That was hardly in disguise. Red pill is entirely a philosophy of “who hurt you?” Men don’t go to it unless they’ve been spurned or felt slighted in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 03:35 PM
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Are women actually “threatened” by red pill or more so repulsed? I think it’s the latter. Believe it or not, there are women looking for long term companionship and fulfilling romantic relationships. Many women see through TRP the same way they see through pickup, it’s all smoke and mirrors and sophistry to get a guy laid and that’s it. TRP more than pickup though because it stakes a blatantly adversarial stance against women, comparing them to gold-digging children and a resource to be conquere…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 02:25 PM
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I think we’re just going to have to agree to disagree there, because it’s my experience that a lot more people are boring than that but if a woman likes you and is feeling it in the moment then sure, she’ll try it out. It’s also my experience that a lot of women find BDSM fucking traumatizing. No, I don’t think they differ that much. Again, it’s chicken or the egg - how many of them would have done it before they had that meme planted in their heads by a wildly popular novel? You’re discounting …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 12:29 AM
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I mean, I personally have done it with feminists too. You’re not unique here. I would still not go ballpark assuming all women enjoy it, that’s a recipe for really traumatizing someone. Don’t mistake me for taking the 1990’s position on that matter. I don’t think it actually makes kids violent. If anything you’re interpreting what I’m saying in piss poor faith, it lines up directly with my argument towards what you’ve said about porn and 50 Shades of Gray - most people consume/engage in these fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 11:58 PM
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Good luck extrapolating all women based on 30 of them lol. Plenty of women find BDSM disgusting, violent, and misogynistic. That’s not entirely my take on it, but I’m not going to discount that. Hell, quite a few of them are in this very thread. It’s not uncommon to be repulsed by kink, try tying up a woman who thinks kink simulates abuse and see how that goes. “Fantasy” and “alternative reality” aren’t the same? Now you’re really talking shit lol. Of course violent media is a fantasy. What happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 11:34 PM
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Tbh I’m not really taking your anecdote as indicative of what all women like, but nice flex there. Especially given how many women will be pressured into sex in their day, wouldn’t put it past them to engage in it for the time being and just never bring it up again. What people seek out in porn is largely fantasy though. Lots of people play violent video games, are they into actual acts of violence? One can seek out a fantasy medium without actually wanting to engage in it. BDSM is still a curio…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 10:41 PM
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Provided she’s even into it in the first place. BDSM is a fantasy that a lot of people wouldn’t actually do. I’m more on the side here that everyone’s newfound obsession with kink is largely because of how widely-available porn has distorted views of sex. Try doing that shit with the average woman and it’ll probably just freak her out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 07:13 PM
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Meh. I find most BDSM to be hilarious if I’m being honest. My sex life doesn’t need to look like a Judas Priest album cover. I understand this is purely a matter of personal taste, but men can certainly learn some values of BDSM without fully committing to it. It’s possible to be domineering and assertive without strictly committing to the “dominant” role that BDSM casts, and that tension of flipping back and forth between someone domineering and catering/caring is what drives women nuts in bed …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 04:53 PM
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I mean, I see it as part of the hypergamous framework if looks are the status indicator in question. Personally I think hypergamy is BS and that’s the part where I disagree with OP, women judging friends about who they’re dating is not about hypergamy so much as a combination of safety vetting (passing the friend test), and for particularly toxic women, breaking them up to gain influence over the woman in this hypothetical scenario. You’re correct there, of course it’s wrong. I’m saying this lar…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 01:31 PM
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Oh no, I’m not saying men have more valid criticisms! We’ve got our own brand of pettiness, it’s just a lot more direct and brash. A lot of men will shit talk a guy’s girlfriend if they think she’s ugly, boring, controlling, etc. but the criticisms are often more so levied at her than to get under the guy’s skin. Frankly, plenty of us judge who our friends are dating, but specifically when it gets toxic in the way the OP is describing, that’s something you more often find in women. That’s not to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 12:36 AM
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Then you’ve gotten lucky. Most women are pretty coy about it, or it never comes up. I don’t know your dating scenario personally, but frankly I can’t imagine a situation in our current year where if a girl has a nice date, she doesn’t tell her friends about it, and they don’t ask to look you up to see who their girl is with. Yes, they’re making judgement calls about you. Women gossiping about who their friends date isn’t something exclusive to the 1% Blair Waldorf types, you’re creating a straw …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 12:07 AM
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Some people age out of it, others don’t. Conviction and honesty are often things that people most often give lip service to without actually following for themselves. The unfortunate fact is that many people will care what others think throughout their lives. The behavior I’ve been describing is often considered “teenage,” but that’s because it ought to be in high school, not because it stays in high school. I’m well into my 20’s and I’ve seen/dated women who do this. Hell, last one I was with, …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 11:41 PM
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Do you actually think they’ll tell you if it’s happening? “I’m sorry, we can’t date, my friends think you’re a loser.” Most people aren’t that blunt and direct, especially not most women. Her friends are totally judging you without you even knowing dude. At the very least, they’re vetting you to make sure you’re not a creep and their friend is safe, and there’s often a fair amount of judgement there. A particularly toxic member of the group will try to get in her head and turn her against you. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 11:35 PM
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This is exactly my point. I’ve never met a guy who actually cares if you think his girlfriend/FWB is ugly, he’ll just tell you to go fuck yourself and keep throwing jabs with the rest of the guys. Women on the other hand tend to get up in arms about what female friends say about who they’re dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 11:32 PM
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Thinking she’s ugly very much constitutes a “direct aversion.” I’m hardly sugarcoating it, that’s actually perfectly in line with my point. That’s not really for any manipulative reason on the part of the guy who’s doing the roasting, it’s more just because he straight up finds her unattractive and wants to be a dick. Oftentimes, when particularly toxic women get into their friends’ heads about who they’re dating, it’s for insecure and jealous reasons. Guys aren’t typically that catty and conniv…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 11:29 PM
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With men it’s a lot more direct though and there’s none of that facade of being concerned, it’s not so manipulative. In a casual friend group it’s more likely to go something along the lines of, “your girlfriend is a bitch and she’s really annoying” or “she whips you man, there’s so much more out there, ditch her.” I’d argue it’s more often out of some direct aversion to the woman on the male friend’s part, because toxic men don’t often manipulate in such catty ways (they’re more likely to see w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 05:08 PM
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I would argue that the flip side, where a group of male friends engage in such gossip to try to break up their guy friend and a woman, only occurs in the more extreme cases. The petty gossip vetting process (“the friend test”) is probably rooted in some survival instinct, as women risk quite a lot in more visceral ways when they get into new relationships (possible child-rearing, being abused by someone physically stronger) than men do. I’ve seen this happen for both sexes, but it’s more endemic…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 04:38 PM
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This is hardly worst case scenario fear-mongering. I’m not saying that women will always dump and cheat on you no matter what and that they always branch swing so take what you can before skipping town, a la the red pill argument. What I am saying though is that girl groups are very often catty, and women tend to care what their friends think of them so the “friend test” is particularly important to them. If her friends hate you then the odds are very much stacked against you, and it’s something…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 04:17 PM
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Gossip can and often will be weaponized as a head game though. It’s very easily hijacked; girl groups are notorious for this. “Women are petty” is hardly news. Great, either sex can have bad actors, but that’s beside the point because this post is about a specific type of toxic behavior largely endemic to women, and such behavior is unfortunately quite common.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 04:09 PM
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It’s more than a kernel though, plenty of women play shitty toxic head games like this with their friends out of jealousy and insecurity. I don’t want to say such ill intentions are the norm, as it’s not true of all of them, but frankly if you’re a guy who’s actively dating then be very, very ready for the other girls in her little friend group to stalk your social media and make petty judgements about you to her face. They will comment on your physical attributes and sense of style, interrogate…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 03:57 PM
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the amount of time they reasonably have left to find a good relationship. This will not be a popular stance on PPD, but there isn’t exactly a set time limit here. For plenty of men, this takes quite a while. Even people who have seemingly fucked their lives manage to turn it all around and can successfully find relationships that way. No fixed outcomes here. I’ll wager though that learning to value mutual vulnerability is the key to that though rather than the mistake that many make, where it’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 03:35 PM
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I don’t really think that’s meeting the argument though, you’re commenting more so on the peripheral characteristics of people who would do this whereas the crux of OP‘s argument is whether or not this happens, which it does. I don’t disagree with you at all, I hate seeing women do this and I’d always advise that those are shit friends they should ditch ASAP. Unfortunately though, it’s common feminine behavior because one of the shittier sides of femininity is that it often manifests as jealous …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 02:33 PM
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Whether or not they’re “good friends” is sort of irrelevant if everyone or a few highly influential people in their social circle are pushing them to act a certain way. I’ve seen this a million times, we all know those girls who will trash one of the group’s boyfriends because they don’t like some arbitrary characteristic about him or are insecure about their own inability to attract stable relationships, and encourage her to sleep around more. OP’s point still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 02:16 PM
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So you just base your actions on how some women may react to them? How is that not the same neediness that you’re supposedly railing against here? That’s borne out of a need for women’s approval. Some women are just shit tier people who are selfish and neither understand nor value the idea of commitment and character development, be it in a platonic or romantic sense. Quite a few will leave at the drop of a dime when things get real, either with friends or romantic partners, because they’re self…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 01:20 PM
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Only if you mistake vulnerability for emotional neediness. Even then, that definition is muddled. Oftentimes, opening up about emotional issues or certain difficulties a man has faced in his life is considered neediness without realizing that for some people, it’s part of the package. Mental illness and baggage related to self-esteem and troubled upbringings are quite common. Some people at this age have learned to deal with it, while others haven’t. Only way to find out is to stay, and unfortun…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 12:25 PM
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It sure does disgust women in my experience. I don’t really think it’s a coincidence that the last girl I dated ran away when I opened up to her about how I get a panic attacks. She liked bad boys, and well, that about ruined it. I don’t usually open up because of that, it’s happened before and I let it slip that time because she was having a shit day and I wanted to let her know she wasn’t alone with that problem - still, it apparently disgusted her. I think a lot of it is a maturity issue. One…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 08:20 PM
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Yeah it’s frankly a very sexist and dehumanizing outlook, that men don’t have any feelings greater than the ones in our dicks so it’s okay to use us and throw us away when done. Regardless of sex, no one wants to be treated like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 02:22 PM
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Jesus Christ so it’s even less. So basically, something the rest of us barely even need to worry about. I understand that the general focus here is about chads and sluts or whatever, but they tend to get the most attention and people base sexual norms on them without realizing that they’re a minority. I think we tend to extrapolate how we expect the most promiscuous among us to behave and it gives us a really fucked up impression of how people generally are sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 02:42 AM
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Mask acne really fucks with me. I feel 14 again.
/r/seduction03/02/21 02:09 AM
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This study was posted here before a while ago and I’ll make the same diagnosis of its epistemic status now as I did then: Stop making proclamations based on a fraction of a fraction, look at the samples being analyzed here. There is an impressive sample size overall but here they’re only concerned with the top 2% in their sample. To make extrapolations on broader society based on 2% of a sample is kinda weird and reeks of sensationalism. None of their findings are crazy significant or mind-blowi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 01:43 AM
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I mean, it kinda goes without saying a CMV is more a general idea for everyone to answer about everyone. This isn’t about one’s own ideas for themselves, we’re not your therapists. Plus, the title makes it seem like a general claim. Generally though, it seems to be a particularly stuck-up mindset you’re proposing that reeks of transactions and FDS entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 11:55 PM
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Now you’re speaking real bullshit. Do you really think men appreciate being manipulated in such a way? That men don’t catch feelings, and would feel pretty slighted if it was made clear to them that they were a replacement? I don’t think you know men very well if you assume we’re all only after sex and have zero interpersonal investment or care beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 11:13 PM
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That’s some motte-and-bailey bullshit. Having good self-esteem and thinking of yourself as the prize are two different fields; it’s the difference between confidence and arrogance. You’re saying men ought to go out of their way to impress women because they’re all untrustworthy and try to extract sex without commitment, with zero effort from women’s end that they themselves are trustworthy. Your ideas here make it seem as though women should expect men to bend themselves backwards for them just …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 11:02 PM
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That’s a non-sequitur. I was stating this behavior that you denied exists does indeed exist, not about a “better or worse” false dichotomy. Don’t try to score brownie points by tacking on bullshit, some pretty fine hamstering.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 10:53 PM
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Damn those sound like the days. It’s interesting because for so much time we get told in psych/sociology classes that women are the ones being fed impossible standards to live up to regarding their bodies by media, and yet nothing about the crazy standards for men they acquire through social media and online dating. It ain’t fun being pitted against a meat market of other men in a woman’s cue. Today’s scene makes it very possible for the most narcissistic smooth talkers to get girls, but harder …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 10:51 PM
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You’re making a universal claim about men writ large based on conversations of men in PPD? God help you. Sure, women can think highly of themselves but if they have jack shit to show for it or their actions don’t align with what they say, then all that high-and-mighty talk is delusional. Hence, overvalued. Not being single isn’t about lowering standards, are you getting this from FDS? It’s not a matter of whether it’s up to me. Why do women get to be inherently considered a prize? That’s stupid …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 10:47 PM
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You’ve never met a woman who can’t stand to be alone and just has to be dating someone? Women do the “placeholder while I get over/think about getting back with my ex” crap with men all the time. It’s hardly gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 10:09 PM
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Straw man. Many men aren’t complaining that women don’t want to go out with them because “they have to put in effort.” The issue is more so that due to said onslaught of attention women receive, women tend to overvalue themselves to a point where it’s difficult to find a woman who doesn’t have either rigidly inflexible high standards or outlandish fantasy projections for the men she’d like to date/sleep with. Women are not inherently the prize. In the ideal dating scenario, both parties have an …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 09:57 PM
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I never liked sounding as though I blame my dating woes in my younger days (and I’m still young so I’m referring more to teens/early 20’s) on women, but I could imagine things were easier back then. In my demographic, we’ve all grown up seeing putzy, sub-par or unattractive men have crazy stories dating/fucking lots of women or getting married. That just doesn’t seem to be in the cards for a lot of us, with many women having increasingly skewed standards. They overestimate their self-worth, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 08:11 PM
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It’s very true. Women often have a very skewed concept of their own worth based on how much constant attention they get due to the advent of social media. I hate sounding like one of the incels here, but it is pretty true that even someone who’s regarded as a wallflower or unattractive in her normal waking life can gain a ton of followers online just by posting nudes in one of the gonewild subs, for instance. For a more normal example, a woman who lacks any real self-confidence and sense of iden…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 07:21 PM
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Exactly, which is why I think we ought to preserve rather than shun masculinity, and concurrently deemphasize a man’s worth on how much sex he has. Self-empowered men are less likely to give up their agency and dignity in the sense that leads to simping, and many of the tenets of masculinity can lead to that sense of self-empowerment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 05:33 PM
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This is pretty true, it really occurs based on how obsessed you are with the other person. Taking someone else’s shit because you find them hot or they provide enough resources is hardly a gendered phenomenon. We all know the clingy codependent girlfriend who’s in a codependent, dramatic on-off relationship with a waste of space, it’s not only men who line after women like OP frames it. Maybe in the “yaaas qween slay” world of FDS, but in reality it can and does often go both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 04:32 PM
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No problem! Masculinity isn’t inherently bad, we need people with that more masculine instinct to jump into action, compete with one another, and be protective of their own. The worst examples of it are often highlighted because unfortunately sometimes those traits manifest as aggression, possessiveness, and Machiavellianism, but we’ve essentially demonized masculinity as though it’s something to be quelled. Today’s society essentially relies on us to really “sit still and do what we’re told,” f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 04:31 PM
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I agree with you only on the very last sentence. I’m not exactly sure where you’re getting these stereotypes from, but it’s definitely a mischaracterization of men. Men and women have differing, but complementary mindsets. If we were to adopt women’s mindsets on this, we’d be shit outta luck. Yeah, it sucks being alone, and men are more likely to act on that urge for contact because well, horniness and competitive urges. The distaste for being alone is partially what motivates us to get up and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 02:55 PM
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Be younger me, in a foreign country. Cute girl sitting at the bar approaches me. Time to put my foreign language skills to the test. Her friend comes back and she’s even hotter. New priority. We talk all night about life up to that point. Get progressively drunker til last call. First girl leaves, I wind up with the hot friend. She wants to hook up, gets a cab and takes me to this sleazy hourly motel on the edge of town. Proceed to have the craziest sex of my entire life, with things even degene…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/21 05:40 PM
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Dude stop bringing up chimps and bonobos lol, you’re teetering on pseudoscience. What animal doesn’t face constant threats in nature? Bonobos aren’t exactly at the top of the food chain, they have plenty of predators and humans poach them quite frequently. A forest may be resource-rich if you’re a semi-adaptable generalist, though it’s not like they face zero competition in their niche (I could imagine they compete with quite a few Old World monkey species just for food and territory alone, as w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/21 10:02 AM
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Which is why women have never been known to be petty, conniving, and deceitful with one another. High school/college girls and female bosses in professional settings are amazing examples of well-functioning female social groups, devoid of all conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/21 02:39 PM
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First point nails my point, I think there’s a large degree of cultural conditioning that teaches women that men are dangerous and duplicitous. I’m not musing on whether that’s correct/incorrect or morally right/wrong; what I am saying though is that women are definitely fed a ton of messages about men being liars, cheaters, horndogs, rapists, aggressive, criminals, etc. from a young age from other women, often by their very own mothers. In a culture where women are not given these messages, do t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/21 02:36 PM
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You can’t fully rule out cultural influences based on one study. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Also, the IAT is widely seen by psychologists as totally invalid bunk (that’s basically the test whose proponents claim outs everyone as a racist if you take it). This has been covered extensively within the last 10 years or so, ironically as that test has become increasingly visible in the public eye. The only thing it actually tests for is reaction time. The authors here are…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/21 02:29 PM
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You’re extrapolating human behavior due to the traits of genetic relatives that are in fact total outliers. Taxonomically-related animals can display completely different sets of behavior; just because bonobos are close to us doesn’t mean that we do things the way they do. You’re using an outlier among all primates as an example for how we behave. Just look at the bonobo versus the common chimpanzee, for example. Common chimpanzees are anything but matriarchal; they are very closely related to u…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/21 04:55 PM
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Spent the last few years of my life doing psychology research, Big Five comes up a lot. I love this test personally, a lot more illustrative than MBTI. I took a different test handed out using tools from my old lab, this is from a few years ago and I’d imagine some things may have changed slightly due to certain life circumstances but mostly the same. I’m male, and my Myers-Briggs is INTJ. Big Five: Extroversion: 90 Emotional stability: 9 (...fuck) Agreeableness: 51 Conscientiousness: 72 Intelle…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/21 02:45 PM
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Yeah. Some people just aren’t effective communicators and want relationships to come to them without putting in any of the work. I’ve noticed this with a lot of women, mostly by virtue of being a guy out there seeking women, but also even from female friends, they just expect men to come to them and it’s all fine and well on their end while we’re expected to do a lot of the really grueling, introspective self-improvement and learn how to be charismatic/charming socialites. It’s the deeper end of…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/21 12:34 PM
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I don’t usually get so personal al on PPD, but this thread caught me in a moment. I’ve learned from every dating experience. My last one was outright horrid, though it was more a fling than an LTR. I still debate regularly if it was worth it. Sure, it kind of inspired me to get some of my shit together and apply to school again in a roundabout away, and I learned to trust some of my base instincts and intuitions more, that if I see something wrong I just have to say it instead of compromising. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/21 11:48 AM
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Dude if you’re looking in clubs and on Tinder, then of course you’re going to find women with high sociosexuality. That doesn’t mean this is the norm for everyone, just for the audience you seek. I’ve been around scientists all my life, can confirm they’re not all quite goodie two shoes. Two of my freakiest sex/drug-fiend-with-emotional-issues LTR’s have been PhD students. A lot of the guys I know with PhD’s are into punk, drugs, and kink. A lot of the women I know in research, especially if the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/21 04:48 AM
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Sure, have your own preferences. It was just kind of a funny rogues gallery of untouchables. “Criminals, Trump supporters, conspiracy theorists, and doctors, don’t @ me” It read like a non-sequitur. Just kinda funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 04:13 PM
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Okay, that I understand. It’s just a weird group of people to have together, so it came off like a very strange assessment. Especially when you start off with criminals, and then mention two hotly controversial demographics (MAGA supporters and conspiracy theorists) who you likely wouldn’t date due to clashing beliefs, and then in the mix, executives and doctors...it’s like three things that have nothing to do with one another lol. It was just funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 03:58 PM
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...lol what I understand not wanting to fuck criminals, but it’s entirely possible for people to have the other traits you mentioned and still be good. I’m not saying they’re inherently good based on such identifiers either, but this is a curious list. How did doctors do you dirty? It seems like you make a lot of snap judgements about people based on superficial traits, your problem is beyond that of men complaining they can’t find good women lol. Also, it’s not nearly as simple as “good winds u…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 12:43 PM
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Women seem to have responded equally well to sex in media. Sex appeal is used to sell women’s products as well, and many, many popular TV shows use tropes that look like they were lifted straight from women’s erotica. It’s not only men. “Sex sells” is hardly a new concept, I think you’re reading too much into it. Furthermore, you’re ascribing sex as the primary reason here when that may not be the case - men may consume media that happens to have sex in it without sex being the primary motivator…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/21 08:47 PM
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You’re doing the exact same thing you’re criticizing men for doing - only observing a small group of men complaining and making it into a generalized claim about the world at large. You’re right, men here and on subs relating to the general “manosphere” tend to base their opinions on a small contingent of party sluts, gold diggers, and OF performers. However, upon leaving the internet for a bit, or even just going to a different relationship sub here, you’ll find many, many men that do have and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/21 08:19 PM
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Can confirm on the first point, I’m not usually petty when it comes to physical traits but I’ve seen woman friends of mine go for some men who were pretty unfit or overall uneasy on the eyes just because of size lol. Seems to really be a dealbreaker for many. I always thought it was a little odd how some women on the taller end have a tendency to spit that back though, like in my experience I’ve seen a lot of tall women have an outright contempt for short men as a result of a perceived insecurit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 11:49 PM
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This is a pretty interesting take! I’m always surprised when I hear a woman is specifically more interested in short men. Do you find this is common among other women, or do most in your experience not make as big a deal about height as men let on?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 11:00 PM
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Guy here. I don’t know if my experience is out of the norm because it’s my understanding that my drive isn’t as voracious as other men’s, but it’s definitely there running in the background much of the time. I go through periods where I don’t really want it at all for a few days or even a week or so, followed by being raging fucking horny for a few days. That’s just the physiological response though, I’d say the thought comes to mind daily. If offered by most, I’d probably turn it down just beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 10:56 PM
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I’m not speaking literally here for the former, there is some pretty complex psychology behind sexual desires. Part of why men fuck is to show their peers that they’re masculine, commanding, and authoritative. Sex is absolutely social currency among men; men who are seen as having high sexual prowess are often respected by other men. And regarding the latter, you may think they’re disgusting, but such behavior is often encouraged and rewarded. It really depends on the group of women they run wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 05:52 PM
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I agree, but I think there ought to be an addendum there that they also want power/influence. For men, sex is often a raw act of being able to successfully overpower and coerce a woman into providing him with this sort of pleasure. Men who have tons of sex are often seen as more successful at masculinity, and therefore more commanding and socially apt. Women also gain this sort of influence among their peers when consistently validated through sexuality. They’re seen as socially desirable when t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 03:33 PM
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This, definitely. There are a lot of social psych studies on couples out there about how men basically cheat for new sex, whereas women cheat due to not feeling adequately desired or emotionally disregarded. I suspect that men are more likely to engage in it if offered whereas women are more likely to seek it out once it’s on their minds, though that’s purely conjectural on my part.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 04:49 PM
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The point of a naturalistic fallacy is that it’s a fallacy. You are doing the classic sophistry tactic of red pill/incel by misappropriating evolutionary bio/psych and attempting to use it to explain complex social dynamics for which they often don’t account for. I figured out a decent amount of it by not stumbling into walls and blaming failures on nature lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 07:12 PM
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...why would I base my perception of reality on highly edited sensationalized television?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 07:09 PM
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Which comment of mine was deleted? My experience in this regard isn’t far from the norm at all though, which leads me to believe you’re writing off the potential for platonic friendships based on what sounds like some BS you read here, or in a red pill or incel forum. Forums such as these excel at invoking naturalistic fallacies to attempt to explain deficiencies in their own social lives. It really sounded like you were trying to use “nature/evolution” up there to justify why you can’t be frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 06:50 PM
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Well the first claim - do women not contribute as much to friendship based on characteristics inherent to being a woman? Why would men be more inclined to contribute? Or could it be that these are based on individual differences and that claims based on group identity here are sort of baseless? And I dunno if you’re being sarcastic or not, but red pill really isn’t something you want to get into while socially isolated. There are some things they say about attraction dynamics that I wish were di…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 06:26 PM
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No, instead of actually coming up with a counter claim because I’ve called out what you’re saying as stupid bullshit, you then just say my argument is weak and leave it at that. “It’s very possible to be friends with women in a casual context that does not involve sexuality. Women are not inherently worse as friends for men, and even though they have their innate pettiness to their social dynamics, you’re free to drop someone if you find them subpar to interact with.” “Well guess what, ur mum ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 05:59 PM
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My exact position, the piss grammar does not help stake the proper claim at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 05:57 PM
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We aren’t purely slaves to some sort of “natural order,” the way things seem like they ought to be due to how they appear in nature. This is naturalistic fallacy out the ass. Evolution isn’t preventing you from finding a woman you’re close with, but just don’t want to have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 05:50 PM
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So then don’t be friends with that person. You have the complete agency to cut that person from your life if they aren’t putting in any effort or if you feel you have an attraction to them that they just don’t share. What’s there to be bitter about? I understand that unrequited feelings are very real, and it’s unfortunate. I don’t want to sound cold, but it seems as though the sweeping claims here are being made to justify some sort of repugnance of the nature towards platonic friendships betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 05:38 PM
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Have you never met a woman with hobbies before? Good lord, I really think much of PPD doesn’t interact with actual people. These stereotypes reek of being Terminally Online.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 05:23 PM
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...no? Just like with any other friend. If that one woman takes your time for granted then ditch her, shitty friend. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 05:22 PM
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...so they’re just there for comfort and a shoulder to cry on? Women never just want to do something fun or look to a guy friend for any greater insight on something? Literally everything is about getting laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 04:54 PM
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I do agree that women are very often petty and engage in little power games and manipulations with one another. I’ve got a pretty glass half-empty outlook when it comes to people generally, women aren’t excluded from that. However, are all women really this petty and incapable of having friends? Not at all! Some of the most fulfilling friendships I’ve seen have been between women, and some of the people I’m closest with in my own life have been women. You just learn to vet people with time, ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 04:29 PM
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That’s not a truth though. Plenty of men have productive, fulfilling friendships with close female friends that have been there for them in times of need. It is hardly uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 04:21 PM
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They’re asexual until they reach at least 1,200 partners. Keep it up, guys! Honestly I understand the frustration if the only attention a straight man is getting is from gay men, but women are generally more coy to begin with and don’t approach the majority of men anyway so it’s an unrealistic standard to aspire to, to have women just crawling all over you. It just doesn’t happen for the most part. Not gonna lie though, if it’s a swaggy, well-groomed gay guy approaching, I’m definitely not inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 04:21 PM
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Yeah I’m being a little sarcastic about the “trying” part, but frankly the paraphrase did make you look a little less bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 04:15 PM
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There was even less insight in the full quote lol, I was trying to throw you a bone there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 04:09 PM
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Only in PPD will you find someone claiming that half of a given demographic has 500+ sex partners, and then another person writing them off as “asexual worker drones.”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 04:06 PM
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“ ‘Friends’ are not human beings to women, they are simply asexual worker drones whose primary purpose is to provide them with a certain level of comfort and support.” ”Don’t make the mistake of relying on your woman ‘friends’ for anything serious.” Happy now? I did you a favor by paraphrasing, full quote just makes it sound even more bitter. I think you just have trouble retaining friends if that’s your outlook.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 04:04 PM
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”Friends are asexual worker drones to women” dude what
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 03:50 PM
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Look, I see where you’re going here, many women do have a more sexual side than everyone lets on. High libido women exist for sure! However, it’s nothing compared to what testosterone provides the average man on a daily basis in all but the most extreme examples. For men, sex is very literally a physical urge, a pressure building up inside that your body is just yelling at you to seek out and act on. Most women cannot relate to this. I’m sure someone’s mentioned those examples of transmen and pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 07:17 PM
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Not a woman, but I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately while applying to graduate programs. Much of our education does cater specifically towards girls - women role models (especially in early childhood education), being trained to sit still, be cheerful, fit in (ie, care what others think about you) and ultimately, submit. The behaviors of young boys are often pathologized and punished. Don’t raise your voice, pay attention and sit still at all times, no play-fighting and trash talk, stop …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 02:28 PM
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Isn’t that the eternal struggle of life? Another’s motivations are never entirely clear to us. It’s something that can only be determined holistically, by really getting to know a person instead of trying to put them into a box like “nice” or “asshole.” That takes time, so it’s increasingly difficult to do in today’s fast-paced environment where we’re mostly curated versions of ourselves on social media. This system unfortunately caters very well to those who are better at flexing. Still, I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 08:59 PM
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Yes, but where is that sexual confidence rooted? It does not start with sex, it starts with these other baseline confidence measures I’ve mentioned. I think you’re making this specific to the point where you’re boxing in this grand concept of “sexual confidence” to mean something very narrow, essentially just a fuckboy. We also need to define “struggle to get laid,” because frankly I don’t see a man with the above mentioned traits being a virgin forever involuntarily, or enduring prolonged dry s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 08:53 PM
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“Asshole” is way too loose of a descriptor, just like “nice guy.” It sets up a very false dichotomy. If we’re talking “nice” on its face, so being “kind, forgiving, humble, and generous,” then those are surely great traits to have in the back of your pocket but they don’t often elicit higher reactions than the baseline. Barring a few exceptions (as there are always exceptions), women in general do not seek out someone openly Dark Triad. Rather, they seek someone who gives them a sense that he is…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 08:38 PM
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I doubt that guy is even correct though, I know engineers who get laid no problem. Sure, some are some socially awkward eccentric types who happen to be engineers that may have trouble getting laid. But being an engineer is hardly a predisposing factor in and of itself to trouble finding sex. “Autist” or “brogrammer” is oddly similar to the “nice guy” or “asshole,” or “conservative” versus “slut” dichotomy this sub loves. PPD is very fond of false dichotomies.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 08:15 PM
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No. There are plenty of men who fuck a ton of women and still hate themselves. Sex is an easy rabbit hole to fall into when you realize that it’s a convenient way to feel wanted for an hour if you’re good at getting it. We all know someone who doesn’t feel the best about themselves or may not have the best life, but fucks around a ton to cope. Just because someone has a lot of sex with different people doesn’t mean they actually like themselves; it can just as often be a cry for help indicative …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 07:05 PM
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You’re typecasting people into personality groups and likelihood of romantic success based on profession, which is frankly nonsense. The fact that you have an addendum which highlights that the polar opposite is also true according to your framework should illustrate the dubious usefulness of this model. Not every engineer who isn’t an “autist” is a “brogrammer,” and vice versa. “Left brain” and “right brain” don’t even exist and aren’t useful assessments for what you’re trying to describe. Just…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 12:13 PM
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...you do realize that autistic people aren’t the only ones who become engineers, right? All memes aside, autism is often more of a detriment than a benefit. Most people on the autism spectrum aren’t savants.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 03:18 AM
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What were those dating experiments in which they flipped the selector roles? I’m not trying to pick an argument, I find that really interesting so I’m curious! That sort of aligns with what women often tell me when they say they approached men, that the men they approach seemed to delight in rejecting them for x, y, and z reasons as if they’d suddenly become more selective (contrary to the common “men will bang anyone who seems open to it” perspective).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 03:10 AM
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You’re committing a naturalistic fallacy, assuming that the natural state is the default, correct way. You’re also violating Hume’s law, making a claim about the way things ought to be based on what you’ve already observed (thanks Philosophy 101 video I happened to watch today!). To address the first issue, this is frankly a weak argument and comes off more as Social Darwinism rather than anything evolutionary biology would suggest. Evolutionary biologists/psychologists are often very careful wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 02:44 AM
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Are we talking with regards to sex? Because honestly, as a guy so long as you’re able to project confidence and aptitude in other regards, women don’t really give a shit either in my experience. I barely dated or slept around until I was about 23. Things have been pretty smooth sailing for me though once I started really dating again around 25, because I guess by that point I’d already had enough of a strong enough sense of self-identity and knowledge to be compelling. Blooming late in one way d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 06:24 AM
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People who started early also may never want to settle down for fear of peaking too early or simply not understanding when enough is enough. Lack of fulfillment isn’t unique to late bloomers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 06:19 AM
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What is with this fatalistic attitude that PPD seems to love? Where do I even begin to tackle this? It depends on the reasons why you’re a late bloomer. Just because you were a gawky teen doesn’t mean you can’t become socially successful in adulthood. Once you’re aware of your failures, it is very possibly to self-correct for them. The amount of sex people were having back then highly varies. It’s not like everyone was out sucking and fucking constantly in their younger years, and not even at th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 06:02 AM
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I mean, I’d hate to generalize so much as saying that women are “sex hungry monsters” because that doesn’t match up to the reality either. You’ll find a lot of sweeping generalizations about both sexes that don’t add up to the reality, though frankly women are more encouraged to be more sexual than they would be otherwise because of social media/hookup culture/what have you. Many women are certainly addicted to validation in today’s day and age. It’s also not even about being in the top 1% lol. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 10:32 PM
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I like the overall premise of the paper, but the specifics of your argument are very flawed. The prominence of OnlyFans is severely overstated. Only if you are terminally online do you think your average woman is showing it all on OnlyFans and that this is a serious issue. I forget where you can find it but I think OF actually publishes this info, it is possible to find the average account’s lifespan and it’s not very long. OF is a cutthroat example of a bell curve, as this analysis into its per…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 03:00 PM
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Psychopathy is not a superpower. It is very possible for someone with antisocial personality disorder to be socially unsuccessful (we’re going to define that as having few friends and social connections) because they’re awkward and intense. That’s actually not uncommon behavior for someone with ASD, people can often spot that they’re basically a predator lying in wait. The “charming psychopath” is a myth that was largely perpetuated by media portrayals of Ted Bundy. As a matter of fact, there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 04:37 AM
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I suspect your friends are not the norm. Most of the time I’ve ever heard “nice guy” being used it’s in the context of a soft rejection, either from one of my female friends, or after an approach gone wrong on my end (“you’re a nice guy, but”). This isn’t to muse on rejection, what I’m saying is that I have almost never heard someone use “nice guy” in the loaded context you’ve described, like something out of a Jezebel article, other than by someone who fits a stereotype of an obnoxious pink-hai…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 04:21 AM
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Sex ed only focuses on the bare minimum, or if you get the weird post-college sex ed given to you by a proudly self-proclaimed “educator” you get lectured on social justice nonsense about kink, masturbation, and their ideas of “consent” by some shaven head/dumb tattoos genderqueer art student lol. It’s never anything really productive about communication and the differences between men and women when it comes to sexuality. I guess women are just as sexual as us, but maybe not as forthright? Dire…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 03:08 AM
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This is a pretty good way to go about it. Having a strong sense of self-identity/self-reliance and emotional maturity will make you downright irresistible in a few years. Many young men don’t get the benefit of having time to get to know themselves and it shows later in life when they’re stuck at a cubicle doing fuck all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 03:58 PM
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Frankly, only some of it. I know I’m young, but I’ve seen how the world has changed and clashes with the values I was raised with, especially coming from a different culture/ethnic group. I’ve largely accepted the uncertainty that I may never find a longterm relationship or get married, because for some people it just doesn’t happen. When I was going to the gym a lot and other physical activities (rock climbing, martial arts) before COVID, I’ll admit that was largely to appear more attractive. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 03:52 PM
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Ah, agreeable in the Big Five kinda sense. Maybe I was overthinking agreeable a little in terms of what you meant by it. Yeah I guess you’re right in that regard...I do understand that women have a bit more of a reason to have a guard up when not agreeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 02:11 AM
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No. Lesbian culture is pretty different. Might as well have gay men give straight women advice on how to find dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 09:32 PM
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Pretty reasonable addendum! But to make sure we’re not fudging definitions here, what are we considering agreeable? I don’t know how much I’d say the consequences for not being agreeable as a woman are more severe...agreeable in what terms? If promiscuity is considered not agreeable (I’m just assuming that’s where this was going, but tell me if I’m mistaken), I’ll wager promiscuous women have it pretty easy in their younger years tbh, it’s basically a way to hack yourself into being popular and …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 09:31 PM
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The analogy here is usually “why would ask a fish how to fish,” but I now feel that’s pretty misguided. Women’s sexuality is notably different from men’s. We have different, albeit complementary, things going on psychologically when we’re attracted to someone. Culturally, there has been a push in the West to make it seem as though men and women are the same, essentially so that more women can assimilate in the academic and professional spheres. This has come at the cost of making it taboo to poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:58 PM
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...dude what. You act like women don’t even want to be in the presence of a man anymore lol. Just because you saw a few scaremongering news articles about how educated upper middle class women aren’t getting married as often (or are waiting a little longer) doesn’t mean our next generation is going to be born of artificial wombs. That’s quite a jump. Relax, you’ll be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 03:46 AM
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Honestly, I’ve seen it really fuck peoples’ relationships over. So many men would benefit from knowing that women are different from us. It’d make communication more navigable, especially in a time where even flirting/courtship is done through screens. It’s my understanding that women have a lot more than men going on when they decide to have sex. It involves a sort of feeling of being “taken,” so there are quite a few more barriers there when deciding to have sex as opposed to us. If we were al…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 12:33 AM
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Basically, must be that. That and I think there’s subconsciously an initiative to impress someone you find attractive at work. If my job was. A sausage fest I could honestly care less, whereas you throw a few attractive women you may have banter and chemistry into the mix...yeah, you’re gonna be on your best. So just translate that attitude to a novel situation while out, I guess!
/r/seduction15/01/21 04:35 PM
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Never frame assumptions based on cold reads as hard statements. Act inquisitive. That gamer girl thing was a bit much to assume. Ex: See someone reading a book on yoga/spirituality, kinda popular . “Oh you must be one of those hippies, we get a lot of those around here.” It comes off incredibly presumptuous. I’ve had people assume stupid shit about me based on the way I dress, so I know what it’s like. I’m not easily offended, but I don’t have to necessarily be offended to not really want to tal…
/r/seduction15/01/21 04:22 PM
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Honestly? I do this at work constantly and my woman colleagues (my office is pretty evenly split male/female) react favorably, we’re all pretty friendly with one another. I’m not in any managerial position so it’s not inherently inappropriate (matter of fact, one who is slightly above me flirts with me all the time and it’s fine), and it’s all pretty benign jokes and body language gestures, never anything savage and definitely not negging. Hell, they come to me asking for advice in skills I have…
/r/seduction15/01/21 03:34 PM
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Wasn’t referring to you specifically, but it’s not at all an uncommon thing by roughly college age.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 03:57 AM
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I’d hate to go down this route, but birth control tends to fuck with bonding behaviors and by college, a lot of women are on birth control. Wonder if that has anything to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 03:49 AM
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I had no idea what limerence was until recently, but on discovering the sub for limerence obsession here, it’s mostly women (for whatever that’s worth). Women can certainly develop obsessions after sex. It’s arguable that we only call it love when both people are in limerence. Sure, sluts can and do pair bond but it depends on why they’re a slut to begin with. Are they promiscuous because they have a genuine curiosity for the body of another and seek physical pleasure, or is their sexual behavio…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 03:46 AM
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...I’m a guy. Also, much of women’s attraction to men is based on certain social characteristics that can be summed up as “presence” (body language, conversation/banter, coyness, physical touch, etc.) rather than solely looks. Being a good-looking hunk doesn’t hurt, but women usually want more than visuals to get them ready. This isn’t advice, I’m not pretending to be a player or even saying I’m smooth or anything. But there’s a lot of social psychology at play behind what the sexes find attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 02:42 AM
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Yeah that’s what I meant. Good people are still definitely out dating and interested in dating, I think they’re just harder to spot as the idealistic demand for “good” increases because so many others have adopted such shitty tactics. There are probably good people we may not even notice. And agreed entirely on the second point. Hate admitting it, but I’m all too familiar with that. It’s easy to fall down the rabbit hole of finding out what cheap, manipulative tactics work, especially when you’v…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 01:36 AM
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Oh I wholeheartedly agree. I’m not against body positivity; I think anyone out there who’s seen someone else nude before in person (not just all the filtered/grainy/edited/airbrushed photos in nudes sent on social media or in porn) knows that not all bodies are the same and gives a little leeway if they aren’t perfectly toned, proportioned, blemish/scar-free, etc. Other people aren’t the mannequins we’ve all come to expect from how sex is portrayed in media. Short men are kings, mom bods are fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 12:55 AM
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Not really, good people just keep chugging along with it. I see what you mean, but it may be a little hard to tell who’s “good” because much of the time they’re jaded by all this shit as well. I’ve also mostly done away with the “good vs. bad” dichotomy in dating; there are some obviously bad people doing very malignant things when pursuing sex and relationships, but a lot of people are just naively acting with what they’ve been given rather than actively out there trying to hurt and manipulate …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 12:43 AM
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For both safety and moral. Regarding safety, we really are in the dark on quite a bit of what happens when editing genes. There’s a lot of hype about CRISPR for instance that these Silicon Valley transhumanist types love going on about how it’ll save us all, but they of course won’t tell you that editing some major phenotypic trait can lead to a host of complications. Hell, even designer babies carry the risk of miscarriage. I think of all the genes we’ve introduced to mouse models where the emb…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 12:36 AM
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Yeah human genetic engineering should be treated really carefully, like a nuclear button IMO. I’m not against cosmetic surgery, but my opinion on it varies. For instance, are you getting a breast reduction because they’ve caused back problems with age, or do you want to sharpen your chin and nose to look like a human Barbie? I’ve seen it go well and I’ve seen it go wrong, I wouldn’t really be against plastic surgery unless we’re talking extremes or something that’s obviously not worth the risk (…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 09:45 PM
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I wouldn’t say “ban it,” but fuck yeah, you’ve got the right idea. Having our conversations mostly online has completely screwed how we talk to one another and communicate ideas. Body language/facial expressions, tone, inflection, etc., all of which are important for physical attraction, cannot be conveyed online.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 07:40 PM
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...eugenics? Really? What is this, Gattica? Brave New World? I would not want anyone in power anywhere even near human genetic engineering just to control attractiveness. Aside from how much of a long shot that is with the technology we have (who would even volunteer to get tested on it?), let’s assume it even does work. That’d be some downright dystopian shit that would probably be repurposed to effectively establish social classes de jure based on attractiveness . That’s the point where everyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 07:34 PM
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Ah, Slovenia is different I could imagine. I hear the Balkans have become more Western in general, so I’m not too surprised that these ideas are getting in as well. It’s pretty much taboo here to admit that women and men are different if you’re anywhere near the PMC or academic class. That’s seen as retrograde, so much of the conversation is already shut down here in any influential part of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 07:26 PM
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That’s interesting, I noticed there’s a lot of Eastern Europe represented in PPD. How is the rhetoric approaching this topic over there? It looks like how it is in the West, with liberal (corporate) feminism and “fuck a bunch of strangers to be liberated” and such? I agree, I don’t really have a better answer other than embracing that the sexes are different and figuring it out from there on a case-by-case basis. We needn’t be slaves to some societal standard; conservatism is repressive for both…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 06:16 PM
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Hm, it’s almost as if sex for most people is an expression of intimacy and brings us closer together, but we’ve turned it into something impersonal for sport thus the only thing really getting fucked here is our minds and standards for one another. 🤷🏻 No, I got you though. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who see women as clingy if they want to see someone again after sex. I think it’s a uniquely pervasive double standard for men though because we’re seen as the ones not having feelings, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 05:55 PM
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Honestly, this is going to sound like very hippie-dippie BS, but a lot of social standards need to be overhauled. We really ought to deemphasize sex as “the goal to be reached” with someone, and instead focus on attempting to see people holistically rather than this sort of transactional “what can they do for my status” or straight-up masturbatory “smash or pass” dilemma. Focus on who makes you happy at a more figurative, spiritual level, who shares and/or validates your life’s goals, rather tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 05:14 PM
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Yeah I’m not a woman so I didn’t want to respond to the OP, but this is exactly what I was thinking. If we want to keep seeing her after sex then we’re clingy and possessive, but if we get up and leave we’re douchebag players. Fuck that, it’s such a nagging false dilemma. Bottom line is whether or not she likes you. If she likes you, she’ll want to see you again. If not, she wouldn’t mind if you dip after.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 04:57 PM
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They do get some things right, I have to give them that. Frankly it’s why I keep coming back, I trash red pill and FDS a lot because although they’re shallow attempts to “hack” the social psychology of the other sex, they do hit some very punchy truths that the mainstream narrative won’t. Like red pill for instance - growing up as a man from another culture and going through the normie university-to-PMC pipeline, I’ve really noticed how feminist rhetoric is completely pervasive and indoctrinatin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 02:50 PM
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Responding to the question for men: Have I ever noticed post-coital blues? I’ve only seen that happen maybe twice, and it was for sex that either one or both of us clearly didn’t want by a certain point so we both stopped. Generally after sex, our moods are elated and content. One of the best measures is preventative. Commonly the first way mentioned is to “get rid of slut shaming” but I think this misses the point. Teach both men and women that their worth does not come from sex. A man’s n-coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 08:00 PM
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Good lord, every woman ought to read this. There are points where yeah, the enthusiasm behind the consent can be a little murky, but women need to have conviction behind their actions. If you are very firm in your stance that you aren’t open to sex, make it very clear that you no longer want any physical contact with him beyond that point. There’s a point where it’s on a woman to either get up and leave, or show the guy out if it’s her place. Regrettable sex is not assault/rape. I guarantee that…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 07:10 PM
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Exactly, call me wishy-washy or blue-pilled or whatever but I just don’t think it’s really fair or even truthful to cast the same net on everyone due to your experiences with one person. Red pill and FDS are just strategies to maximize your short term benefits from a man/woman (for RP men this is usually sex, and for FDS women this is usually material), and then onto the next because the opposite sex is all untrustworthy according to their belief set. They are ideologies built around pain. Sure,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 06:47 PM
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I suspect that gender dynamics in non-Western countries are heavily misunderstood by Western women, who are usually all too eager to impose their standards on the rest of the world in an ironically flipped display of chauvinism. When we see women in Iran throwing down their hijabs in protests, what we’re not taking into account is that’s a small minority of how Iranian women feel. The regime there has not maintained its power over the years by having a majority hate it. Many Muslim women are jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 05:44 PM
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I don’t think they face discrimination to any significant (re: systematized) degree in the Western world, and are actually treated very favorably under certain circumstances (I work in academia, that’s par for the course here). The more you read about history, the more you realize that many feminist models/theories of discrimination/oppression were prescribed after the fact. A system where women are outperforming men in just about every metric in education and employment is hardly “discriminator…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 04:46 PM
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I dunno, I think it’s just an awfully ignorant perspective to have and it could narrow down potentially good options in a time when people have very outwardly expressed distaste with politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 04:23 PM
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It’s incredibly hubristic to consider someone “brainwashed” simply because they have the opposite political view as you. That’s the unattractive part, a lot of people pick up on that level of condescension super quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 04:09 PM
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“No Republicans” just makes it look like you’re going to get in hotly contested political debates all the time. Same goes for “No BLM,” “no Biden,” etc. It just signals that you’re going to be confrontational and get in fights over stupid shit neither of you have any control over. I see that point commonly raised on dating app subs, a lot of people swipe left on political content regardless of affiliation. They’re tired of seeing it. Nothing more bland than someone who thinks bashing Trump and M…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 03:14 PM
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I think this really nails it. This is a good way to word it, as my main problem with FDS isn’t as easily identifiable as red pill but I still get the same visceral reaction of repulsion when I see their rhetoric posted around. Whenever confronted with their typical motte-and-bailey of “what’s the matter with a woman being selective and having standards?”, I think to myself that in the grand scheme of things no, there’s nothing wrong with that, but the way they go about it makes it seem like they…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 02:52 PM
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I guarantee there is little to zero correlation between someone’s looks and their sexual prowess. Bedside manner of the NSFW variety is more likely correlated with personality traits (namely openness to experience and agreeableness), low vs. high disgust, attitude towards the opposite sex, and propensity for altruism than physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 02:41 PM
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Everything that man in question put out is a black pill. His music is a baroque, irreverent, sardonic take on love as loss and the inevitability of demise. Just because he was tall and macho doesn’t mean he had it so easy, the guy was born the saddest fucker in Brooklyn.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 01:54 AM
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I don’t think any of their bullshit classifications are real tbh, but what you described perfectly fits the bill of “Chadcel.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 11:39 PM
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Don’t they call that a chadcel? Lol And remember, this is the guy who dressed up in furs and chains or Army fatigues and threw meat at the audience while they went on about nuclear war in his previous band. Metal always has a fair degree of LARPing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 10:37 PM
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The actual circumstance was more the latter according to personnel interviews. He was a wildly misunderstood guy, people could never tell when he was being serious or joking around (and as the music is indicative of, this translated to a fucked up sense of humor) and despite being tall and macho had a ton of trouble with women due to being socially awkward, anxious, intense, and having unconventional views and interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 10:22 PM
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Absolutely, the FBI has done a ton of profiling on both cult members and leadership. Interestingly, I remember reading that the average cult member tends to be college-educated and score highly in agreeableness and openness to experience in the Big Five personality index. Think the “jobless college grad traveling around” trope.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 08:29 PM
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I may have been hyperbolic, but looking at further photos of him...I’d just say “ugly” without the horribly. Jim Jones was the People’s Temple leader, the Christian cult that was basically a Marxist-Leninist organization known for their mass suicide in their commune in Guyana. He was noted to be a swanky, dapper motherfucker who even charmed celebrities, civil rights leaders, and politicians. Chad daddy status.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 07:49 PM
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Another study out of how many? And why have these societies only remained tiny or very, very temporary instead of expanding and persisting? There are very clear benefits to the nuclear family for social stability. Cultural anthropologists love taking these very niche “just so” stories and telling the rest of society this is how it ought to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 07:45 PM
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This is exactly what I’m talking about lol. I mostly had women in my family and they grew up in the hood, so they always told me not to catcall, say women are “bitches/hoes,” pay for dates, etc. Apparently, that made me gay. I also come from a really homophobic culture where anything out of the norm will get you labeled a gay slur, but America isn’t too different in that regard. “Gay” is often code for “defective man”, and quite a few women will point this out if they don’t feel attracted to you…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 07:41 PM
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I had seen later photos of him when he was living in the cabin for a while. I mean, even there he’s not exactly smoking hot but I guess someone would find him okay. On that note time to start ranking cult leaders in terms of Chad/Stacy status. Who here would bang Jim Jones?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 07:35 PM
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I’m not saying you have to get famous, but maybe that was lost in communicating my point with a bit of hyperbole. If you’re competitive and passionate, you aim to achieve great status and that’s what gets you laid eventually. When you have a skill you’re very good at and can speak with conviction and passion about, women notice. Women like a man who’s an authority in something as opposed to simply existing. Because life isn’t fair, there are men who simply exist and have good social skills or ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 07:33 PM
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Much of Type O Negative’s music (especially on their debut) was written from the perspective of a guy who had trouble getting laid. I’m not about to creep and find out when he lost his virginity, but interviews with both him and his former bandmates both expressed this (as a matter of fact, I am paraphrasing that first statement from an interview with one of their old drummers). Women thought he was gross growing up, and a large reason why he wanted to pivot his music from Carnivore towards the …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 07:30 PM
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I mean if you really want to go there (I hate bringing up evo psych because I know peoples’ understanding of it here is butchered), even primates hate when the mother of their offspring mates with another male. This gets flipped in matriarchal species, wherein males are treated as resources to be lorded over. I’m not saying this is a solid argument for monogamy, but sure, even primates get that cheating sucks. There are all sorts of arguments for morals being further developments of innate insti…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 05:14 PM
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Roch Thériault was a horribly ugly man with a severe gastric condition called dumping syndrome and yet he was still able to convince several women that he was their god and they had to perform sexual favors to worship him. Proof that literally anyone can get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 04:58 PM
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“With fame you didn’t have to avoid rejection and jerk off forever.” I’m reminded of Pete Steele of Type O Negative fame, who essentially would have been god-emperor of the incels until his band got big and he subsequently posed for Playgirl, becoming an inadvertent 90’s sex symbol for big tiddy goth GF’s. Anyone who’s familiar with the band knows how well that ended. Doing something great/attaining fame can turn even an unappealing weirdo into a hit with the ladies. This is a sort of silver bul…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 04:55 PM
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I’ll admit that I come in with a considerable bias against cultural anthropology studies of matriarchal cultures (psych researcher here). They tend to have little validity as they focus on relatively small societies very removed from the standards of today. Even the famed studies of the Masai tribesmen run into such errors and their validity has been a constant source of debate since their inception. If these people were exposed to their ways to capitalize on sexuality in the way that Westerners…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 04:42 PM
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I dunno if you realize how power and influence work. In a matriarchal culture, women will still find novel and unique ways to gain authority and influence that certainly involve sexuality. Matriarchy and benevolence are not mutually exclusive; women still find petty and devious ways to deceive and exert authority/influence over one another irrespective of the presence of men. Women are not more morally virtuous than men simply because they are more emotional; I know you haven’t explicitly stated…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 03:36 PM
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I agree with 75% of this, but women are equally complicit in corrupting the concept of sex positivity. Sex positivity requires effective communication and a high-trust society. We have neither of those. Selfishness and deceit are not solely the domain of men; women also frequently lie, cheat, and exploit people for their own gains. Hookup culture has produced a large contingent of women who have divorced intimacy/greater notions of feeling and bonding from sex, and use it solely to further their…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 02:40 PM
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Many women are privately bigoted against gay men too. I’ve seen a lot of women dismiss or reject a man who’s interested in her for a physical trait or behavior that they think makes him come off as gay even if it has no bearing on his sexuality. I’ve seen men get this reaction for being short, skinny, using animated body language, dressing a certain way (even if it’s not flamboyant), looking young, taking care of their personal grooming, etc. The fashion one really always throws me off, because …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 12:22 PM
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Honestly I didn’t really read many of the other comments here. I figured it’d be an array of either virtue signaling how much they hate someone with a high n-count, or vice signaling how awesome they are for having a high n-count. Still the same old speculations of worth based on sex. No, I barely even knew who Sheryl Sandberg even was until recently. I also can’t really vouch as to whether or not young women actually hate corporate feminism because it benefits so many of them, they may roll the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 02:44 AM
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If you don’t see a relationship between the hypersexualized women that are frequently featured on social media and a change in sexual norms, then I really don’t know what to tell you. Again, taking my claims out of context. I’m not saying that it’s bad that someone is saying young women shouldn’t be virgins. I’m unsure if you’re trying to be snarky or are projecting an argument you had with someone else onto me, because that is a common stance here but it’s not something I’m particularly worried…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 09:26 PM
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Not going to lie, I’m not used to playfulness on PPD. Most things here are self-serious ill omens about how “[insert sex or lack thereof here] is RUINING SOCIETY!! shakes fist”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:58 PM
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I’m not saying they’re harmful? I’m just pointing out that they exist and are intended to communicate something, but a lot of people seem to deny this. I think you’re trying to be baiting and snarky for something I’m not even saying, lol. Sure, wear that if you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:52 PM
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...you really think women don’t intend to show off sexually appealing features when wearing crop tops and yoga pants? Are you that naive? Might as well think there’s no sexual signaling at play with bikinis. Sure, some wear yoga pants particularly just because they’re like sweats, easy and comforting, but they also just so happen to show off the entire outline of ass. You have to be arguing in bad faith to think there’s no signaling with those outfits whatsoever. You really don’t think some wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 07:51 PM
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Nitpicking yet again. Of course Instagram doesn’t very literally prostitute young women or produce porn, but you are aware of the expression “sex sells,” right? People who conform to sexually appealing standards who may or may not be clothed appearing on consumer goods to boost sales? This is what I’m referring to. Figure of speech. Instagram influencers do this constantly, they aren’t using ugly people to sell clothes. Well at this point I’m pretty sure we’re talking past each other, because I …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 07:50 PM
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I think you’re getting hung up on some finer details and missing the greater point. I’m not making this about a “men versus women” thing. If it seemed that way because I used the word “slutty,” I meant men as well, I was just framing it the way you had. This screws both sexes. The notion that Instagram doesn’t sell sex is just naive. I’m really trying to give you the benefit here so maybe that’s just wrong phrasing but, Jesus, Instagram doesn’t sell sex?? Have you been on there? Also no, your mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 06:48 PM
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Oftentimes when people are that powerful, it’s not even about a specific goal so much as just “do what I say.” She lived a certain way and it got her there. She runs Silicon Valley and absolutely thinks she has the right to lord over you, that’s how the ultra-powerful think. It’s just in her nature to tell you what to do with your life. Speaking of opportunism, of course encouraging “slutty” mores benefits them. It turns sex into a consumer commodity that can easily be gamed to sell products and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 05:20 PM
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Many seem to mistake “sex positivity” for “having sex with as many people as possible,” a very quantity-over-quality approach. Sex as a recreational activity oftentimes bleeds it of any intimacy and greater meaning, reducing it to masturbation of your own ego with another person. People are then shocked when you don’t trust someone who exhibits such behaviors to be relationship material.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 04:43 PM
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Yeah yeah, I said it twice, redundancy, sue me. That’s what I get for trawling around PPD while at work. If it makes you happy, replace one of those with “yoga pants.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 04:40 PM
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She is a powerfully influential woman in Silicon Valley, the cartel that dictates the content and spread of media. They may not know her by name, but that doesn’t mean that she doesn’t set the social precedents and standards for the people operating in this incredibly powerful network that does dictate so much of society. If you don’t see how someone sitting at the head of such an organization can dictate the general tone and ethos of the content they’re putting out, then you’re really missing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 03:37 PM
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I agree with you on the first two points, but frankly I’m uncomfortable shaming someone for the decision simply to have sex without a little more context. I also think most people will be inclined to interpret criticizing promiscuity as general sex shaming (people get real defensive and jump to conclusions super quick whenever discussing sexual mores, it’s a hotly loaded issue). Nevertheless, I do find that generally women with abnormally high n-counts (I wish there was a less high school way to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 03:30 PM
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Men: “You know, I’m not such a bad guy. All I want is for a woman to get to know me for who I am and try to connect with me on an intimate level, which is why I will put up an elaborate front of a personality and learn how to reverse engineer petty social psychology tactics against you (“game”) just to get laid. No really, I’m an honest guy, I’m just lying about almost everything about who I am up to that moment. I’m not like the rest of them though, I swear!” Women: “I want a man who loves me f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 12:27 PM
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The usual advice is go to the gym but that’s sorta BS, it’s not always about physique. Being fit helps sure, but nothing like having better social skills and shit to talk about. Learn how to be funny, engaging, and knowledgeable. I swear that’s the one thing that saves me as a total manlet in every sense of the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 09:12 PM
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I specifically outlined that it’s really bad if you do this when you’ve been seeing each other consistently, or if you’ve already had sex. One date isn’t the end of the world, it sucks and it’d be nice to get just a rejection, but that sets the standard for many that it’s okay to do this after a few as well. Understand that when women do this to men, men think it’s okay to do this to women. Women frequently (and correctly) point out how fucking hurtful it is to get ghosted by men. Why are we sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 09:01 PM
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I’d prefer a rejection over being ghosted. I’ve seen ghosting defended by some on the relationship/dating subs, as if the people who would do such a thing are completely unaware of how much that fucks with people. It’s an incredibly cowardly, selfish act for low-integrity people who have no business dating around or being in a relationship. Now I’m not talking about ceasing contact when they’ve done something that’s very clearly creepy and uncomfortable, that’s understandable. It’s more so when …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 01:49 PM
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I’m not going to argue too much against that, I’m also familiar with the research there thanks to work (fellow psych researcher?). At that point, I’d just wonder how much of a difference there really is in terms of binary thinking when it comes to sexuality (which is specifically what I was talking about) - men sure are binary, I think we’d be remiss to dismiss the proportionally higher sex drives of men (if I may be so crass, think we all know men will fuck every other thing that moves). And su…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 07:28 PM
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I could be in the wrong here, but having befriended and dated a lot of women in my time, women will frequently jump to rapid conclusions about a man’s worth and sexual attractiveness based on certain physical characteristics (height’s a huge one; though I had that little snarky joke at the end I threw it out there because as a short guy, I’m all too familiar with this). I think there’s been a concerted effort to try to veil women’s sexuality in an arcane shroud of mystique that isn’t entirely wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 04:32 PM
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I like this post, it really cuts into the nuance of an often misinterpreted claim - because most people are binary thinkers, “women like personality” usually reads as “women like nice guys, be nice” and said nice guy gets pissed when this doesn’t go as planned. We then get a slew of bad takes on how “woman like bad boys, be a Dark Triad.” However I won’t dispute that many, many women are incredibly petty and selective about physical traits as well. Personality in the way you’ve described can go …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 02:00 PM
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I like this perspective a lot! My question though is with regards to the last statement - don’t we have to approach to gauge interest period? How would we know when someone is flirting with us completely out of the blue? Do we have to do the whole awkward dance of averting gazes from afar before the eventual approach? This feels a little passive when I thought the point of much of the rhetoric here is to be proactive (not forceful though), however I could be interpreting this wrong.
/r/seduction08/01/21 01:09 PM
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I’m very willing to receive the flak I know I’m going to get for this, but: This is why you shouldn’t have sex immediately if you see yourself being REALLY INTO someone! It’s a rush of hormones and intense emotions that can cloud judgment on all of these things and really lead to obsession/damage down the road when things don’t work out as you imagined. Let it develop, then sex.
/r/seduction07/01/21 12:50 AM
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I mean, if we’re defining “sexually successful” as a player type, they may not be complaining about their woes with women, but they are absolutely still complaining about women. A lot of them will still say that women are dumb, easy, flaky/overly emotional, etc. and generally treat them like expendable resources or a nuisance. There’s the occasional player I’ve been friends with over time who also complains that women won’t stay loyal to him, which is more along what your post is alluding to hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 07:32 PM
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Thanks! I’ll have to look into this, looks like it’ll be of help.
/r/seduction31/12/20 07:52 PM
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Thanks a lot! I’ll have to check this out, never heard of it before and it could be really helpful.
/r/seduction31/12/20 02:32 AM
1

Co-regulation? Haven’t heard of that, what’s a good resource to learn it?
/r/seduction31/12/20 01:50 AM
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I never liked hooking up much, I have to like things about someone in order for sex to even be on the table so that kind of person would be grating for me as well. I’ve got my set of standards, it’s just a matter of sticking to them at this point. It’s a little difficult to weed out people who aren’t exactly emotionally mature enough to communicate properly, I know we all go on about “game” here but this post stuck out to me because it’s saying we don’t even really need any of that and might as …
/r/seduction31/12/20 12:15 AM
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Well I guess by that logic it’s fine and I must not being too bad either, well done for vulnerability.
/r/seduction30/12/20 09:52 PM
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I think this hinges on the chance that most people are emotionally mature and self-aware, and a staggering amount are not. It’s taking a chance either way. Maybe I’ve just met too many women into stupid games, I dunno. I’m fully willing to embrace the possibility I’m overthinking it (I probably am), but no, not everyone actually likes vulnerability. It’s about being vulnerable at the right time with the right person. I’m vulnerable either way because I can’t imagine putting up a front to be some…
/r/seduction30/12/20 09:25 PM
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Yeah it’s overblown. Setting and timing matter, so maybe don’t approach her while she’s grocery shopping or listening to music while riding public transportation, but generally speaking when out and about at a bar or the park or something, women don’t mind being approached so long as you’re normal and polite about it. If she laughs at you or talks shit with her friends about it then whatever, she’s petty and she sucks and knowing this early spared you a crappy time anyway. Fear of being Me Too’d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 08:51 PM
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I think they’re still approaching almost as often as they used to. I definitely still see men approaching women at bars or randomly in public. It’s not just a “Chad” thing. Hell I do it and I’m not a Chad, this is how so many people meet and score dates nowadays. I’m not going to pretend it’s as common as previous decades because online dating, duh, but this is definitely still something people do. I’ll grant you that later gen Millenntials and Zoomers are practically socially stunted and freeze…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 08:12 PM
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I didn’t mean a word dump essay of feelings, but even that slight level of directness may make some uncomfortable? I dunno, I’m not particularly seasoned with this but what I have noticed is a lot of women very easily feel pressured and dislike vulnerability. Can’t tell if it’s a balancing act or something to just not even bring up, some of the finer details of flirting/escalation evade me lol.
/r/seduction30/12/20 02:14 PM
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Do you think that level of directness kills the tension though? A lot of women seem to enjoy that push-pull dynamic. Being too direct at the wrong moment can freak them out and make them dip.
/r/seduction30/12/20 01:22 PM
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Ehh, I’m gonna plead the fifth on that last claim. I’m hardly a moral prude, but having known enough people in the sex industry it’s a sketchy enough field where I’d understand why most people wouldn’t want that in their backyard. I don’t think it’s born out of lacking empathy for human beings as much as moral disgust and knowing what sort of demographic it attracts. I may think it’s morally wrong for the government to throw someone in a cage for paying for sex, but for fuck’s sake I wouldn’t wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 07:19 PM
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This is much too rosy a view. I’ve noticed there’s an outlook amongst people who want legal prostitution wherein it’s expected to be like any other job, in which claims of harassment will be dealt with by an HR department or some other channel that will adequately deal with such instances. If legal sex work (ie, stripping) is anything to go by, sexual harassment and abuse are so common that the former is effectively part of the job and the latter is unfortunately an ever-present possibility, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 04:10 PM
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Alright I understood your first counterpoint there but you can’t compare the level of sexual harassment a sex worker is likely to face compared to someone in healthcare, wtf is this. Sex work is not like “any other job” in terms of risk for abuse/harassment. Given that sex is inherently built into the job, if someone is inclined to be against it due to the risk of sexual abuse then sure, that’s a valid point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 01:25 PM
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I don’t care about your post history. Who do you think you are that you think context and lore are required to react to something in the present you’ve said? Just don’t say something so stupid lol. This sub, I swear. Next.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 12:16 PM
2

Ben Shapiro shouldn’t be compelling to anyone over 12
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 06:10 AM
2

This is a really good explanation, makes me want to revisit my old textbooks. Now I’m curious, do you work in clinical?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 06:02 AM
2

Ayyy, back when therapy was fun. Can’t imagine that flying well today! Aren’t many traits with HPD similar to the old (and I do mean old) hysteria diagnosis?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 05:45 AM
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Seems I’ve been a bit mistaken there, it’s in DSM-V (though frankly I fucking hate that version and wish they’d scrub the spectrum nonsense). I thought HPD was a pretty old-timey diagnosis, really don’t hear much about that one anymore. It’s not entirely unsound to lump BPD/HPD. If anything I’d say it’s more woke nonsense to keep the “BPD is ASPD for women” meme going. Women can and absolutely do have ASPD phenotypically separate from BPD, it’s just 1. more rare, and 2. the general population is…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 05:38 AM
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Who are you, my graduate advisor? Lol I’m not going to even pretend Purple Pill gives a shit about citations. Nice try. I’ve seen how papers are used pretty nilly-willy here, no one even reads them. It’d be an incredible waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 12:08 AM
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Well come on man, don’t be a statue! I think that’s what put her off. I’m sorry, don’t want to add insult to injury but be yourself next time. I’ve always maintained that “being vulnerable” is shitty advice that doesn’t work. It’s the age-old adage that women claim to want men who are more open about their emotions, but go cry in front of your girl and see how much longer you two last. It sucks, but there really are certain emotions you should keep to yourself for a while. Most women simply aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 07:58 PM
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Bottom tier in terms of what? Both myself and my other guy friends have little to no trouble getting dates, it’s often more so a matter of finding someone we’re actually interested in enough to want to keep doing it. Everyone has been through a phase like this as well before locking down their committed relationship provided they’re in one, so is everyone who isn’t currently in a committed relationship in “the bottom tier?” A lot of people here talk about these abstractions of “tiers” and “succe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 07:43 PM
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HPD is antiquated and no longer a diagnosis, pretty sure they got rid of it two entire DSM’s ago. One personality disorder relative to the rest, not sure where you were going with that. The latter claim is hotly disputed and not generally accepted because there are enough distinguishing factors between BPD and ASPD that tend to sink that narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 05:36 PM
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Haven’t been posting here too long, but I just as often see cope about the negative traits of men whenever they are mentioned. Deleterious gender traits are often reframed by redpill types as something to be exploited with the logic resting in some variety of naturalistic fallacy rather than overcome because said traits are, well, deleterious. I’ve worked in the psych field for a few years. Some of the commonly-held truisms about negative traits more common in men are: Overall more likely to exh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:50 PM
2

Small flightless birds are generally immobile so it shouldn’t be too difficult to approach them. Now’s your chance.
/r/seduction25/12/20 01:13 AM
1

“I like the way you think” is one that really means a lot, because I’m a total nerd with a lot of niche passions and interests that I can go on for a while about. I love when someone else is able to match that level of excitement, and it’s really just the hottest thing seeing her go on a whole bit about something she’s really interested in, with her own viewpoints and such. I’ll tell her something along the lines of “you’ve put a lot of thought into this, that’s really amazing! I love your enthu…
/r/seduction24/12/20 10:37 PM
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But now that’s a different argument than what your post was originally addressing. For the record it’s entirely possible that they like you (if our operational definition for “like” is “attracted to and seek companionship with you”) but play games and generally treat you like shit. Hell, we’ve all had a shitty ex who was bad at relationships at some point, and we’ve all dated someone who “just wasn’t ready” and is horrible at communicating that despite the fact that they are very attracted to yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 06:58 PM
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Understood. I know it’s not “logical” because yes, everyone here in my area is basically playing the field with multiple people til we find someone we really like, but when confronted with the fact that she’s seeing other people I’d still be a little put off. Attraction often isn’t logical or rational. For most people though it’d absolutely matter more if they were having sex with them as opposed to just going on dates. Sex makes things more “official” contrary to what a lot of people here might…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 06:52 PM
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Eh, it really depends. In general if she likes you, she’ll make time for you. It’s usually pretty obvious if a girl is into you, lest she have some serious attachment issues. When you add the context of the post this was made in response to...I mean, there are definitely women who go through extra mile to shit test the guy they’re seeing and make him jump through a ton of hoops to impress her. There are some women who will play games like that even if they do like you, for a number of reasons. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 06:30 PM
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But how will you really know who’s on the same page you are? Personally, I’ve really screwed myself by only focusing on one woman in the initial stages of dating. It’s also sort of a waste of my time if I’m not initially that attracted to someone but not put off as to where I wouldn’t want to see them again. I used to think it was an asshole thing to do, but I’ve come to understand the importance of seeing multiple women initially because it helps you figure out what you like, and you’re not dev…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 06:08 PM
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Shit, the first two are pretty true in my experience. Guy’s always expected to “just let it go, you’re not entitled to her, let her do her thing” etc. but oftentimes if she won’t leave you the fuck alone after a breakup it’s not seen as anything really beyond her “just wanting to talk” save for extreme cases. Breakups are subjected to different gender standards I’ve noticed. The last one I’m more inclined to disagree with. I’ve only ever really seen it once where a girl cheats on someone and see…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 10:25 PM
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In my general experience in the United States (can’t speak for how this is different across cultures), most people either do not give a fuck, react with disbelief, or think it’s funny when a woman abuses a man. Huge double standard there when it comes to physical violence, I’ve seen it happen with both friends and experienced it myself. I used to have a female friend I was pretty close with who unfortunately was very into drugs (hard stuff). One night she did cocaine before meeting the rest of o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 09:06 PM
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Your first paragraph just outlined the 21st century progressive feminist version of the incel cope. “Slut shaming is such an issue that there most be protests about it on college campuses, yet no man I’ve ever dated has had an issue with the number of men I’ve slept with.” Of the many, many men I’ve talked to over the course of my relatively short but eventful life, I’ve met few men that genuinely don’t care about the answer to that question, and the ones who don’t are always the ones who have s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:17 PM
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Yeah pretty much agreed with this. A lot of the guys on this sub are obsessed with body counts, and many of the women counter by playing on their terms by trying to justify high body counts lol. It’s like an n-count Ouroboros. I hate speaking for other people, but I think I can safely say that most men are probably looking for someone around their level, which is an average for a reason. It’s probably virgin til late high school/early college —> brief phase of hooking up/experimentation til earl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:12 PM
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Regarding the World Wars I was referring specifically to the United States and globalism was certainly, without a doubt, absolutely the start of America’s involvement in the wars, particularly World War I and our involvement in the European theater of World War II. Nationalism isn’t inherently expansionist; as a matter of fact it can just as easily be tied with isolationism and neutrality on the global stage. The imperial powers of World War I happened to be just that, imperial powers, and their…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 01:03 AM
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Can’t say I didn’t warn you 🤷🏻
/r/seduction22/12/20 07:49 PM
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I love when people become “experts” all of a sudden on something even the experts aren’t quite sure about. Imagine being such a drone. Anyways, do you but I’m living life. Good times.
/r/seduction22/12/20 05:15 PM
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Oh, I thought this applied before the pandemic too. I guess my friends are just really clingy haha! Yeah mine think I’m dirty/diseased and lecture me constantly because I’ve still been going out and such, but ironically the one who’s been staying home and distancing like crazy got COVID. Can’t let this completely stop life as we know it.
/r/seduction22/12/20 02:40 PM
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Chastised by your friends for socializing with random people? Man, I thought mine were the only ones like this. It’s when I realized I had to ditch my hometown group, it’s impossible to meet people with them because they bug out if I talk to strangers. We’re adults and everyone’s looking to meet people when they go out, shouldn’t be an issue! Does it stem from them being clingy, or an overbearing sense of politeness?
/r/seduction22/12/20 01:23 PM
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There are some real problems with this argument. It’s rooted in the latter-20th century norm that women seeking independence from men is inherently a moral good worth striving for. Many of the arguments I’ve seen for why women aren’t nationalist rest on them being conflict averse and in possession of some sort of moral superiority, which is definitely untrue. I think it’s become taboo to comment on the conformist tendencies of women (men have them too, but that’s not my focus right now) due to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 12:32 PM
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Well first and foremost, we’ve got to get rid of that cringe department, because they are a serious waste of taxpayer dollars. Like I’d rather have outrageous defense spending, at least fighter jets are kinda cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 02:56 AM
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Because you’re wrong. Incel is an intellectually bankrupt and submissive approach. You believe the opposite sex is a monolith attempting to prevent you from having sex, so instead of flipping the script and attempting to change things about yourself that will either reduce the control this belief has over you and/or possibly make yourself more attractive by finding purpose, you submit to this narrative and find ways to wallow in misery. You play this game on the very terms of the people you clai…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 02:07 AM
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...alright, how does “uhh, cringe department” not in and of itself sound cringey? There’s no way to say that that doesn’t come off as lispy and limp. I just have to point that out. It is now impossible to take anything you’ve said seriously even if it’s got some merit. Anyway yes, I see your point, I just think we get rid of the state first. From a practical standpoint I almost wonder how much those arguments even matter when no matter which one prevails, we will get screwed by the powers that b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 01:31 AM
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Yeah my original statement just made a lot more sense in my head but I forgot to add that bit of context, probably shouldn’t post while at work lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 08:40 PM
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I think it’s pretty hubristic to think you can change someone’s behavior after a certain point after which habits and outlook become firmly settled, but we’ll agree to disagree. We’re going to go in circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 08:03 PM
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Depends on what we’re talking. If it’s once or twice or every so often then sure, doesn’t bare any weight on their commitment behavior but if it’s something repeated with like 50+ people over time then come on, look at the pattern. Why would you be any different if that’s what this person is used to?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 07:37 PM
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That’s also when people are very steeped in their wild phase (hooking up in college and such). Maybe I should’ve clarified that if someone is still like that in their late 20’s, then be wary of their ability to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:33 PM
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Sure but I’m not talking about hooking up, I’m talking about relationships. If you want to hook up with someone promiscuous, go ahead. 🤷🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:51 PM
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That’s very beside my main point, if you’re referring to my last sentence this is likely my view because I live in a highly-developed liberal city that’s notorious for its amount of singles/unmarried people so that’s my bubble. It’s the way things are here with its very fast, loose-knit culture full of transients. My point up there wasn’t on whether or not the majority of 20-somethings are like this or to cast any moral judgment, but that it’s kind of a waste of time to want to commit to someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 05:22 PM
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People are more inclined to hate it because many of us innately possess an authoritarian streak and want to inflect our own values unto others. Men are expected to compete for sex/relationships, this is the norm. Most men are like this. When someone wants to drop out, people will inflect their own values upon this scenario because it’s how they themselves have chosen to live their lives. They also often want the smug superiority of telling someone else how to live, even when it’s unwarranted. Fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 03:58 PM
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The problem is that people are often guided by old habits and will fall back into them. Unlike many here I don’t think it’s impossible for someone who used to be loose to commit (this goes for men too), but I don’t find it very realistic. Chances are you will just be her trial run at commitment, so why bother getting close to her in that way if you know it has a time limit? Chances are you’re someone’s trial run at commitment period (statistically, the chances of longterm romantic with any one g…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 03:08 PM
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Is this substantiated? It’s an interesting take, but if we are to make conjectures about the preferred system based on gender norms then wouldn’t women prefer nationalism because it promises security and stability, whereas men would prefer globalism due to its riskiness? That’s purely a hypothetical using your logic, I don’t actually believe it, but what I’m saying is the ethos and zeitgeist with which a country governs could really go either way and isn’t based along gendered lines. Look at Ira…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 01:25 PM
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I can see how bigger cities would be more accepting of international residents/visitors, as that tends to be a norm in more cosmopolitan areas. I think what I was trying to convey with that idea in my post was that, if these redpill/incel guys expect to go to Eastern Europe and start imposing this bullshit on some women from such proud cultures as foreigners then they’d be sorely mistaken. I think they have ridiculous expectations of being able to waltz in there and tell whom they perceive to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 01:05 AM
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I don’t believe it’s ended whatsoever. Hegemony and soft power are a new means of imposing authority abroad. The Information Age and managerial capitalism has made this ever more apparent. For instance, Russia doesn’t even need soldiers on the ground for effectively control Finland’s economy. I agree with most of what you’re saying and it’s interesting, I just don’t want to get cleared by mods for straying too far off topic. I also find it a red herring in the struggle because I find government …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 12:52 AM
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I always think that the first step to changing the world is understanding you’re not going to change the world. That’s become my mantra as of late. Men who subscribe to TRP and incel are mad because they don’t have sex and find partners to the degree with which they would like and which society tells them they should. Fine, this is a concern we’ve all had. My question then, is why do they spend so much time blaming everyone else or radically changing themselves in ways that make them antisocial …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 12:30 AM
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I can’t fully disagree with this, as I think most people are pretty much opportunistic and lack values (it’s not strictly gendered by the way, but with the popularity of liberal feminism in this cultural period it just so happens that women have a very large ideology with which they can briefly stick to when it benefits them, and quickly ditch when it doesn’t). I’m willing to concede my general pessimism, but it’ll take a lot of convincing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 12:27 AM
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I don’t want to sidetrack too much, but I find the second point too fascinating to pass up personally - globalism versus nationalism is more a red herring than the root of the conflict. More so a soft red herring than an out and out lie, because those ideologies benefit their state apparatuses immensely. I would argue it’s more about imperialism than strictly globalism or nationalism on either end. Both factions are concerned with who can influence as much of the global economy, military power, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 12:06 AM
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No, not all men are pathetic. Redpill and incel guys are pathetic. I stand by that. They’re ugly and stupid ideologies. Do not mistake that however for me saying that their polar opposites (liberal feminism and FDS) are any better. Frankly, it’s a circular firing squad of high-minded morons on a hare trigger. If you really think you aren’t free because of women, then break away and get a different priority instead of writing elaborate online screeds about how you’re oppressed. Some women suck as…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 11:10 PM
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I’m a guy lol. Also read what else I’ve said about this, I agree with you that gender roles are far more rigid and pronounced in Eastern Europe compared to the West. I have not denied that whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 11:05 PM
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It’s exactly like the weird neckbeards who want to go to Japan, just kinda the flip side in terms of personal politics and values. They’d be shocked at the cultural differences and unforgiving nationalism. It’s a little different in Japan though, because physical violence isn’t acceptable there like in Eastern Europe but if you’re an outcast in any sort of way they will completely shun you socially.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 10:22 PM
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I don’t like to tone police, but Jesus I can’t even notice what you’re trying to say beneath that tone of snarky, smirking derision and deliberate obscurantism lol. I also hardly expect anything serious and level-headed from someone who calls developed nations “shitholes” and thinks women hold men hostage in a class conflict. Your link to your own post (nice promo) is not a red pill so much as red dye no. 5. Weak and lame, next.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 10:17 PM
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Lol where are Indians doing better dating wise in the “racist US?” What? And thanks “well, actually,” but I was referring to the general conflict. That’s what the war is called. Nice nitpick.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 10:10 PM
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Of course, it originated here. But Russian hardcore is known to be...well, more hardcore. Russian fans are just crazier, a lot of metal/hardcore bands have crazy stories about touring there. The crowd is very often full of skinheads and football hooligans.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 10:07 PM
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Vaguely relevant (and hilariously entertaining). Fucking gopniks mosh like crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 09:06 PM
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It’s exactly that. The gender norms in those countries are even further reinforced. Yes, Russian/Slavic women in general appraise masculinity and respect men more than over here, but the problem then is you need to be a man by their standards. If you feel that your masculinity is compromised in any Western nation, you are certainly not going to fulfill those standards in the East in general. I get it, because with the major cultural, economic, and political shifts that we’ve seen here in the Wes…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 09:05 PM
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Harsh times breed harsh people, correct. It took a special breed of toughness for both men and women to survive the former USSR, but especially in the 90’s when everything fell apart. Furthermore, those countries have always felt as though they are under foreign incursion and threat at any second. Much of history has been evidence for this, and the specter of World War II constantly looms over them. This only further reinforces the harshness, because there’s the impression that shit could hit th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 08:47 PM
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Those are really tough people in those cultures, they fetishize a sort of ruggedness, loyalty, and personal pride that many Americans would consider standoffish and arrogant (and that wouldn’t always be incorrect). They also tend to stick with their own people due to that pride and appraisal of the family unit, so that adds to the standoffish impression. I don’t want to sound like I’m trashing that region of the world, it’s just different. I actually appreciate quite a bit of it because it looks…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 08:35 PM
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Oh, I’m not attacking American masculinity there lol, just TRP and incel. I’ll admit I was venting a bit there because I do find those ideologies to be a giant cope and pretty pathetic. I’m usually a bit more cordial, so I’ll take the blame for that one. Where do you get off thinking they love Americans? Dude what? Do you not know about the Cold War? Many of them, even here in the USA, do not have the greatest impression of Western governments and ideals. It’s such a stretch to say they love Ame…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 08:27 PM
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I haven’t had much experience with Bulgarians, but I’d imagine it’s a similar culture to Eastern Slavs and the Balkans, where basically men are very much expected to protect/provide. Eastern European women often have incredibly high expectations for what a man is supposed to be, and likewise regarding their views on womanhood. It’s not expressly the vodka and hooker/tradwife party that redpill guys expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 08:03 PM
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You read one article about a Chinese guy and a hot Ukrainian and your worldview is swayed. My man, this is newsworthy because it’s so uncommon. Try asking the average Ukrainian about marrying outside of that ethnic group. You will be shocked by what you hear. They never teach this in our history classes here in the States for a number of reasons, but much of why the USSR fell was because of internal ethnic tensions (Nagorno-Karabakh, anyone?). Irreconcilable differences between ethnic groups was…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 07:59 PM
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I never said American men aren’t masculine enough. When did I say that? My “nanny state” comment was not on masculinity if that’s where you inferred it from, it describes how we expect our government to give us purpose and fulfillment in life in the West (depending on where you fall on the political spectrum). Though to the contingent of TRP men who think they’d do better in Russia, I cannot at all empathize with them if they are that naive. All jokes aside about drunk driving tanks, if a TRP/in…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 07:55 PM
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I read “committing suey like crazyo” in Ned Flanders’s voice, haha! Good job. I’m not so sure about your first point though. Are you saying they fantasize about being able to survive and adapt in such a culture? Runs counter to my point, because chances are if they’re soft in America, they’d definitely be soft in Russia. Furthermore, despite the very silly moral panic about racism we have here in the States it’s nothing compared to Eastern Europe, where they will constantly be reminded that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 07:23 PM
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A ton, surprisingly. Like, more than I ever would have in a year where there isn’t a viral pandemic. Even had a few that’ve turned into flings (which sucks imo because I’d like something lasting, but I digress). It’s probably the timing because I just started putting myself out there again late last year, so hopefully in a time where the world isn’t like this I’d have similarly decent success (or maybe better!).
/r/seduction20/12/20 05:08 PM
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Welp, I guess I’m someone’s unicorn then!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 03:10 AM
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Vibrators are for femme coomers. Good shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 02:25 AM
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I think these are all pretty sweeping claims, especially regarding the physical and mental disorders. If there is one generalization I’d make here, it’s that the women who frequently post tend to probably skew in their later 20’s/early 30’s (feel free to correct me if that’s wrong, but it’s what I’ve noticed). It’s far from unusual for women by that age to have a better idea of what they’re looking for in a partner, and that clashes with the TRP/incel narrative that you’ll find from a lot (again…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:52 PM
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My guy. There’s the “on paper” role of government, and then there’s how it actually works. If the Thai king has no power, then how is it that he is one of the wealthiest monarchs in the world as a stakeholder in massive corporations abroad? How is it that when Thailand built the only aircraft carrier in Southeast Asia for...reasons, using taxpayer money, the damn thing served no purpose other than effectively being the king’s personal yacht? Do you really think anyone in the Thai government and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:21 PM
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Oh come on, you have to try harder than Thailand as an example of why this is good. I’m not saying Thailand can’t do their own thing, have it their way, but I sure as shit wouldn’t run a society the way Thailand has it right now. You don’t have to think very hard to realize that a society where there is a literal fucking monarch at the center of wealth, power, and influence may not have the best overall opportunities for everyone. And yours is based on your own morals. You just used your morals …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:02 PM
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Because this is dumb and a waste of time. You came into a thread where I made an argument against porn to throw in a non-sequitur about prostitution, it’s clearly something you’ve made up your mind on and we’re going to be here all night. Pointless. I guarantee there are other threads if you want to talk about prostitutes. Also look up the Rohingya genocide. I’m not going to talk about that here, this has been derailed enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 10:47 PM
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Oh that’s just moronic. I’m not even Christian, you’re making an awful lot of assumptions based on your fixation with prostitution. I don’t think sex is bad at all, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand why prostitution is obviously not the greatest for social stability. Also explain why a majority Buddhist country is committing a genocide on religious grounds that much of the world refuses to answer for, Buddhism isn’t some superior view of the world. This is midwittery at its fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 10:38 PM
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It’s not Puritan. We need a better standard of people. I think that line of work sets fucked-up expectations about the world and treats people like literal meat in an even more degrading way than the average corporate job. It’s great if you want yet another low-trust society and degraded relations between people. Wealth and prostitution are about as correlated as rape and porn. I’m not going to pretend people there don’t have issues with it either and that it works out well. That’s all I’m reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 10:25 PM
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Ehh, don’t take what I’m saying that way. We’re a highly developed society, I’d like to think we have better options for women than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 10:15 PM
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Losing his virginity to someone who might have been his mom? Huh?? Things went from 0 to Jerry Springer there real fast, need some context there!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:37 PM
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I mean, I like exciting girls who want to shred guitar, shoot guns, and do shrooms in the woods with me, but if they want to bring me tendies every now and then I wouldn’t complain. 🤷🏻 I kid, I get your point. I wouldn’t doubt if many of the guys here were higher disgust and low sociality, many TRP types give off that impression. Not that the girls here are any better, but it comes with the territory of debating this stuff - you often have to experience some sort of strife to understand what’s w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:35 PM
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For that you’ve got FDS, Jezebel, almost the entirety of Tumblr, much of Twitter, a whole metric shit ton of bloggers/writers who have even been given major media coverage/airtime (Jessica Valenti, Laurie Penny, Jill Filipovic immediately come to mind but there’s a lot more), fucking Hell like most of the internet it seems is like that. Sort of an aside, but when it seems like the feminist version of such perspectives is presented everywhere virtually unchallenged, of course crazy echo chambers …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:30 PM
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I’ve been reading Scott Alexander’s articles for almost as long as he’s been posting. Don’t mistake him for being into TRP, you will be very disappointed. He and his ex had a whole host of articles debunking Heartiste, for instance. If you’re bringing up that article, then we’re probably talking past each other because I love that piece. I agree with his notion that some people with “bad boy” traits tend to get laid more, and that women generally go for the more disagreeable because they’re more…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 08:15 PM
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Porn decreasing rape is a largely unsubstantiated connection that is often spread out there by pornographers themselves and liberal feminists who are pro-porn. I remember seeing XHamster and PornHub tweeting that out there during the first No Nut November, which was goddamn hilariously ironic. What many of them forget is that typically rape is overall lower in developed societies, and those countries happen to have porn legalized and widely available, unregulated internet. There’s nothing about …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 07:11 PM
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I’m inclined to agree, but even science is often ridden with errors that contribute to confirmation bias, not just TRP. People don’t realize that scientists aren’t infallible, and as a matter of fact even finding which articles to cite to support your argument in a scientific paper often rests on confirmation bias for someone new to the field. Many authors simply trust that you won’t scan through all their citations, and I get why - when it’s taken several months out of your life to write and an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 07:07 PM
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True, but I’ve also seen scholarly journals linked to as if those are the gold standard of all that is rational and true in the universe when so much of science is bullshit (that’s the point btw, put your argument out there, back it with data, and pit the results against all others in the arena until a consensus is reached, not “this data is infallible and we are correct because we have it”). It’s an amazing misappropriation of science, which I can’t fault them for because much of academia depen…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 06:41 PM
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Good shit, someone from PPD who actually reads the literature. Thanks for clearing that up! It also ties into my point up there that it’s not explicitly “bad boys” per se that women are into, it’s more someone that possesses some of the traits they’re commonly associated with. The way this sub talks about the fabled Nice Guy(TM) gives the impression that women specifically are averse to even general kindness, but that’s not usually the case. Just don’t be nebbish.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 06:23 PM
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It’s basically when men lose sensitivity in their penis because they’re not used to how a woman’s vagina feels, so they have trouble maintaining an erection. It comes from excessively frequent masturbation with a tight grip. It’s a form of ED that’s basically come from entraining yourself to just be aroused by porn constantly. Best way to not get it is by abstaining from porn, or just watching it occasionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 05:40 PM
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Absolutely. So many of our standards for attraction and sexual behavior are set by porn. Both men and women expect one another to fuck like porn stars, and chronic masturbation habits that arise from frequent porn use absolutely screw with the ability to enjoy sex with a real human being (ex: the “death grip” in men, or how many women are reliant on their vibrators).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 05:06 PM
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‘Tis but a flesh wound. I’m kidding, but shit that’s scary. Hopefully by now you’ve noticed some red flags in place for figuring out the type of girl who’s likely to try to find the way to your heart through your sternum at some point!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 02:58 PM
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Wow I meant that figuratively, but holy shit! That’s really gnarly. Were you okay after that? If so, good story!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 02:48 PM
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I’m sorry, but I really need to ask if you’ve read those papers. They’re both paywalled, and if that’s the case then I’m not quite sure if you’ve seen their data or methods at all. I just find it funny that PPD loves whipping out this academic literature based on just an abstract as if it actually means something when chances are they don’t know what’s going on with the data. There’s certainly a fair bit of projection here because I’ve worked in labs for much of my life at this point and I know …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 02:37 PM
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I invoke the ex-convict example specifically because that’s a theme I’ve seen in TRP and from incels, that women apparently like bad boys so much they’re apparently always willing to fuck an ex-con or drug dealer. Furthermore, the existence of one is not contingent on the other. It is very possible for this specific manifestation of “nice guys” to not actually be real, whereas our society is in fact littered with the very example of “bad boys” that many people have in mind. My point is more so t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 02:29 PM
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What they don’t get is that they don’t ever really control a bad girl, all they do is learn how to defer any sort of connection with the girl because they know they’ll probably get knifed in the back eventually. Unfortunate, because this leads to them picking up habits that defer connection with better-adjusted, non-malcontent women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 02:24 PM
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This puts it well. The “nice guy” is such an oddly specific stereotype that it barely even exists in the wild; it’s yet another concept made up by Jezebel and TRP bloggers as part of the great sex scare of the last decade. And regarding bad boys, I’ll wager that very few women are actually attracted to the ex-convict as opposed to an average, decent-looking guy even if the convict is hot. There are certain traits we can label as “nice” and “bad” that women tend to notice in men. I guess we can c…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 01:47 PM
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This is pretty true. I think most men would rather be with a woman who gives him a sense of adventure and thrill than someone bland who “has it all together” by 24. Unfortunately, you’re more likely to find the former in the type of woman who’s been serially breaking the rules since an early age. Many men will surely sacrifice looks on some sliding scale for that sense of thrill (ex: I think many of us would rather spend a day with someone who’s about a 5-6 but wants to do mescaline and suck you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 01:25 PM
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Not really. There’s the strong chance they’re not being honest, most people aren’t exactly going to admit if they have trouble getting it up because they’ve done too much Xanax or don’t even desire sex anymore because of coke dick or amphetamine blues. Stronger downers like Percocet, OxyContin, and Tramadol will fucking nuke your sex drive from orbit, and the aftereffects of habitual cocaine and Adderall use on sex drives are well known. My friend that was into cocaine and ecstasy eventually had…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 09:59 AM
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It happens. As much as I hate admitting it, I was definitely too busy drinking and drugging to notice sex. Didn’t help that I was already socially awkward and anxious. Your sex drive gets fried by certain substances as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 08:20 PM
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This is a moral panic. “Those lonely young men aren’t out there engaging with the women they ought to be fucking, instead they’re out there cavorting with women online paying to see their indecency!” All you history buffs out there will find that this is akin to the moral panic of coffeehouses and taverns in the 19th century, wherein mainly women campaigned against men gathering in such places because they feared it was got men hooked on attention from someone other than their spouse and that so…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 01:32 PM
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I still wouldn’t really say that because again to my previous point, if no one has ever placed any interest in you or what you’ve done for the world, you’re likely too passive and haven’t done much. I can’t imagine someone never having had anyone place any romantic or sexual interest in them at all whatsoever their entire lives, unless if they’ve just stayed in their room their whole existence. I don’t even think this hypothetical person exists and if they do then like just talk to someone damn …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 04:03 PM
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But that doesn’t mean you’re living your life wrong. Like for fuck’s sake, I work around scientists making serious headway understanding the pathology of genetic diseases and they aren’t exactly playboys and a few are unmarried. At this point in their lives I don’t really think they care, they’ve found their cause. Your priorities are very screwed if you place that much emphasis on what women think of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 04:00 PM
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That’s neurotic. Why are you living your life contingent on what others think? Why base your worth on what the opposite sex thinks of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 03:56 PM
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No they don’t. Women are often very coy and don’t make it entirely obvious. It’s often mistaken as friendliness, or friendliness is mistaken for attraction. There are some who will make it blatantly apparent, but this is often not the case, especially if it’s in a situation where it could be awkward such as class, work, or casual friendship. My second point also doesn’t explicitly support yours. Just because one of your friends has never fucked you doesn’t mean you’re unattractive and going abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 03:36 PM
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I think this also operates on a flawed premise of passivity. People aren’t just going to come to you if they think you’re attractive, you most often have to do your part in initiating some sort of interaction that takes the steps there. Regarding friends for instance, most people don’t “shit where they eat” for lack of better terms (sorry if that sounds crude) and any interaction beyond the point of established friendship becomes platonic. Attraction is fickle like that. Furthermore, contrary to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 03:06 PM
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What if they did and you just had no idea? People aren’t always forthright about their intentions, and some are even worse at picking up social cues.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 02:53 PM
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My first post replying to this was admittedly really dismissive, but I have to say this is an egregiously naive and ill-informed idea. Sorry OP, but there ain’t no other way to put it. So basically, the insinuation here is that people make friends based on who they want to have sex with. This isn’t exactly true much of the time, as a generally friendly guy who’s really good at conversation and getting people to open up, it’s usually not really about sex. Friendships are more about whether they l…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 01:11 PM
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I agree with most of this, but the last bit has me thinking. We already have an egalitarian society, and yet women don’t exactly approach just anyone - if they do, it’s usually the guys who conform the most to traditionally desirable masculinity. I’m not going to tell you the average guy is screwed in this situation like many people here will, because it’s not like the average guy has zero sex or never gets in a relationship, it’s just not as common as that top tier that’s doing it all the time.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 12:00 AM
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Ignore it. There’s nothing deep to discuss here really, just that most people are binary thinkers are unaware of their own double standards. Don’t make this “a type” in your head, because you generally shouldn’t want to surround yourself with someone so bitter and shallow if you want an insightful, pleasant experience with someone else.
/r/seduction15/12/20 12:22 PM
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This is patently ridiculous. I don’t know what Boomers you’re talking to or how many you’re actually surrounded by, but many of them are working professionals now. Hell, my Boomer parents are a doctor and a teacher respectively, and much of the rest of my family from that generation have corporate and engineering jobs. Many of the Boomers in this town and especially the major city next to me are white collar professionals. If anything, they were the squares telling me as a metalhead teenager tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 05:24 PM
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I fell for the myth for a while, but gave up once I realized I’m not going to please everyone and that although there are things about me I can improve, there’s no way to hack people into liking you as the confidence/charisma myth proclaims. Some very insecure people will loathe your confidence, and it’s the most confusing shit that self-help rarely talks about because the message “some people will dislike you for you no matter what, so just keep being you!” can be easily misconstrued into just …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 04:03 PM
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Jesus Christ, a thousand times yes. Oftentimes your own confidence can completely backfire in the face of other people’s egos. I’ve been a vibrant, bright, proudly offbeat guy my entire life. The “confidence is key” myth really fucked with me because according to that, just by being me people would love me. What it doesn’t tell you is that unfortunately, some people will see you being you, and fucking detest you for it. Or even more complex, they’ll see you being you and loving it, feel inadequa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 12:57 AM
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“Rapport building” is a great way to put it. I’d feel much more comfortable being with someone who had slept with a lot of people but is a generally likable, amiable, considerate person as opposed to that, but self-centered, narcissistic, and conniving. My initial impression with the former would be that they’ve enjoyed life and the presence of others, while the latter I would think just uses others for their own gain and doesn’t mind lying to or exploiting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 07:36 PM
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I don’t know if it’s the “n-count” itself that leads to breakups and lack of commitment so much as the reason for racking one up in the first place. I think you need to know more about the person and their other values to determine this. I’ve been with women who have slept with a considerable number of people, and the reason varies. The last person I dated more seriously had a much higher count than me at the time, but she chalked it up to a wild phase when younger and was done with it after tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 06:48 PM
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Agree to disagree. Could be a difference in upbringing and where we’re from. I’ll admit that I’m biased towards being skeptical of most people, but given the notoriously self-absorbed rat race that my particular area is associated with, you’d get my point once I disclosed my location (which I don’t really do here). It seemed worth it at the time because we were at least acquaintances on friendly terms, and this was well before I knew what FDS was so it’s not like I was on a crusade against them …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 01:10 PM
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I dunno what you’re referring to, I’m pretty chilled and I’m very clear that most women aren’t like that. I mean, a lot are entitled and self-absorbed as is to be expected with Millennial 20-somethings and being told they matter a lot more than they do, but not to the FDS degree. Frankly if I knew the person I’d give them a talk. I would never reach out to a stranger in FDS because that’s just a lost cause. As for this person I know into FDS, not successful with much of anything unfortunately. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 12:32 PM
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The sub is kinda vaguely sadly funny in the incel way, where the humor only lasts for about 5 seconds before the crippling sense of dread and wondering where everything went wrong comes in. It’s very delusional. I think someone just needs to talk to those women to not prioritize what men think of them so much. I think my biggest question about it would be pertaining to its prevalence. I’ve only ever met one person IRL who espouses FDS, and I only ever put together what they were referencing once…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 11:55 AM
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This is entirely what I mean. Both men AND women tie a man’s worth to how much sex he’s had. It’s ridiculous and it’s making us hate ourselves and the world we live in. It contributes to the neurotic rat race that is life in a developed country in 2020. We need to knock women off the pedestal once more, this time for our own good. I wish it weren’t so taboo to say that, I wish this perspective wouldn’t get you slandered, but this newest incarnation of the battle of the sexes really has us all go…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 05:07 AM
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I get what you’re saying, but the analogy is admittedly pretty weak. If you want to stick with the dancing comparison, it’s more like you’ve found a dance partner but the variables are that you’ve just been shot up with a cocktail of testosterone, oxytocin, and maybe even a dash of a speedball for good measure, the dance is performed in your most vulnerable and literally naked state, your performance on the dance is intricately tied to other memories you may or may not have had performing this d…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 01:19 PM
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I’m morbidly curious as to what the typical pipeline leading to FDS is, like if there are any identity factors that influence it (traditional conservative, liberal feminist, etc.), something along those lines. Problem is, being a guy who isn’t worth 8 figures and probably doesn’t want to pay the lease on their apartment for that month plus dinner every week, I don’t think they’d want anything to do with me. I’m cool not going down that rabbit hole, but if there are any other volunteers then mayb…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 12:54 PM
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We individually are paying much more for those wars than ever before, work is completely fucking detached and meaningless in a technocracy such as ours and it’s more and more difficult to get a good paying job relative to a well-priced quality education, said good jobs are extremely competitive, who cares about the demand for skilled labor when everything is vastly more expensive, and there aren’t more ways to be relaxed, there are more ways to be sedated. It ain’t my approach, but with those od…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 01:14 AM
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I personally don’t care. I’ll show up to a bar alone if I want. Because I live in a bougie area where that’s not normal, people will ask questions about where your friends are, but I honestly enjoy my alone time among strangers so I don’t really need friends to go out. Going out solo is often when the most interesting stuff happens because your friends aren’t there to drag down the experience if they’re not as adventurous or keen on meeting other people as you are. You now have zero obligations …
/r/seduction07/12/20 03:25 PM
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This is largely the point I’ve tried getting across for a while. Also pretty far removed from an incel and I’ve had a decent amount of success, though not a player by any stretch of the imagination. Arguments against incel and TRP, typically though not necessarily feminist in nature, make the mistake of trying to argue that people don’t care about the way others look, which is absolute bullshit. Consider that the men who are attracted to TRP/incel don’t get there overnight, they’ve definitely ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 01:25 PM
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To a degree, sure. I guarantee many redpillers and incels have downright repellant personalities and that hurts their dating chances. But they are correct about the importance of online dating among today’s generation, especially with the effect that coronavirus has had on meeting women in person. Though these ideologies predated the pandemic, online dating membership has surged in its wake and it’s been a boon for social media companies as social interactions predominantly move online. The char…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 11:14 PM
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A quick shortlist I can immediately think of: Be conventionally attractive, come from an affluent family, not visibly different in any way that would grant them any serious adversity (re: chances for development), average to slightly above average intelligence (midwit), unable or unwilling to question too much around them, social interaction comes easy enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 10:38 PM
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Tradcons becoming FDSers? Really? I’m not doubting it, I just wonder what the pipeline to FDS usually is because I thought it was mostly jilted feminists for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 10:27 PM
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On the first point, we can thank social media for that. The way to get noticed now is to have a contentious take. At one point during the dawn of widely available internet with forums and such, I remember feminism itself was once a contentious and hot take that would often be met with furious debate, but now it’s as mainstream as can be. It came to a point where any alternatives were labeled hateful and banned, and seemingly the only way men could vent their frustrations with this failing belief…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 05:59 PM
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I think in large part, the suffering of men is not only ignored but also scoffed at (“kill all men”, “ok incel,” etc.) because a culturally influential subset of higher income women associated with academia and the professional world have made it a signal towards their ingroup to do so. From this perspective such beliefs are what “educated” women subscribe to, and when you realize that there is status in suffering, admitting that men share a brunt of the world’s pain is deleterious to their worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 04:21 PM
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I really wish they’d understand that life for us is a constant fucking competition. Listen, I get it. I understand why many of you feel like there are prying eyes on you at all times (*if you’re attractive, that is). I understand what it’s like to feel self-conscious about appearance and paranoid about the intentions of others. But take a second, because this is not the know-all-and-be-all of struggles. We’ve got our own, and I’m not going to be shushed away because yours is trendy right now. Be…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 01:38 PM
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I think it really depends on where you’re hanging out and what your immediate social circle looks like. If you’re part of the extremely online, then good lord it’s going to seem like everyone out there loathes men. If you’re in university in any department that isn’t business school or not in a frat house, then yeah it’s really going to seem like men are despised and masculinity is something to be “tamed” for the good of society while femininity is constantly celebrated. However, out there in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 01:18 PM
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For real though, all this shit they pull off is just manipulative and is everything women stereotypically complain about in men. They act like they are somehow helping the situation by breeding the next generation of malcontent serial daters and bitter single moms that don’t trust men. I get it, don’t be a nice guy and normies are dumb, but ya don’t gotta do all that. It’s fuckin’ Clown World if there ever was one. I don’t even know how these people land dates. I can’t even believe people listen…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 07:04 PM
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They are the very pump and dump they complain women have been ruined by. It’s a very “prey or be preyed on” mentality. Clearly very good for stable, healthy interactions and relationships! Again I’m not saying everyone should be a stepdad as it’s really not for everyone, but if we at least got our heads out of this pseudoscientific fixation of having your own kids or else there’s no point when there are so many children without parents out there, it could fix some things. Can’t complain about br…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 05:50 PM
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One of the things about redpillers that I always found baffling is that many are quick to point out how we have problems with broken families and single parenthood, and yet they seem very against the idea of step-parenting and adoption as though they “lost” in the grand scheme of things. It’s the is-ought problem and naturalistic fallacy on steroids (“in nature humans wouldn’t be surrogate parents, so neither should you”). I wouldn’t encourage every man to live like this, and yes “my wife’s son”…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 03:18 PM
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Meditate on the fact that this is something society has conditioned in you that you need more of constantly. Much of this desire to constantly be pursuing and having game and such is the result of hyper-competitiveness in an noisy, overcrowded world. You don’t constantly have to pursue women. Forget all the wild sex stories you’ll hear here and in other subs, forget what movies, TV, and porn have taught you about expectations of sex, forget dating apps, forget what your friends are saying. Sex i…
/r/seduction03/12/20 01:19 PM
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This is true. I just wonder what it is that makes the receiver ready to hear it, but it could be any number of influences that aren’t exactly a given recipe every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 10:31 PM
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For men, I don’t know if being vulnerable is the key so much as being vulnerable with the right person at the right time. Many women may interpret a man being vulnerable and expressive as oversharing and overwhelming. I’ve had it happen before - sure, a lot of that really depends on the woman as I’ve also been told it’s a good thing, but many women just really aren’t ready for that. I think that sometimes women project what they want in a friend as what they think they’d like from a partner, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 08:28 PM
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Ohh, I understand. “Thinkpiece trauma” is going to be my new phrase now for those cheap sort of non-issues haha, thanks! It’s very much virtue signaling, but given that the women I’ve been with also tend to be misfits I come to expect some sort of really terrible past so I’m not usually phased by it until their baggage starts to involve me in a way that could be detrimental (let’s say, the drug-dealing ex finds out who I am), but many particularly slimy softboys tend to like to weasel their way …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 08:24 PM
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You know, I actually understand that one. I’ve very rarely heard it, and if I have heard it it’s because the guy just isn’t that into the girl. Pretty funny though that’s how many women feel about men pursuing as well - we’re all just fucking confused haha! And the BDSM one makes a lot of sense. On that second point I’m not totally sure what you’re referring to, you mean that men perceive women are likely to have some sort of trauma because of the SJ narrative? I can’t tell if maybe I’m just pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 07:43 PM
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I’ve noticed the same about casual sex, but really? They dislike it? I dunno if this is going to derail the thread but I’ll risk it because that’s baffling to me and I’ve gotta know, what are their explanations for disliking women approaching them? And yes, it’s the same thing on different poles. Women want to appear pristine and undamaged, while men want to appear as though they cannot be damaged. Neither of us are often very honest about how certain stressful/fear-inducing events affect us. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 07:10 PM
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I agree with most of this, but I think your point about not asking out men is inaccurate. I get that this is purely anecdotal, but being a man talking to other men about this stuff, I can confirm that every single other man I’ve discussed this with thinks it would be great if a woman approached him and doesn’t find it a turnoff. Furthermore, men on forums about this frequently express the desire to be approached - it eliminates some of the awkwardness of having to be social cue mind-readers, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 04:05 PM
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That’s really unfortunate. We just place such a value on obtaining sex in this society because it’s an easy marker of social success, that we forget everything else about a person also matters. It’s an easy way for very hollow people to fill that void. Sex is very easily corrupted.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 02:35 AM
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Right? The bragging always stems from some insecurity on their end. I’ll admit that I asked about it the very first time we had that conversation, but she’d keep bringing it up over and over and over. The huge red flag was this story she had about a guy friend of hers that clearly was into her but didn’t sleep around much, and she kept trashing him for being a virgin when he popped off one day and said to her that he didn’t want to keep hearing unsolicited details of her sex life. When I asked h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 02:10 AM
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I think it depends on how they talk about it more than the actual numbers. For context, I’m a late bloomer guy and I’ve taken turns having been the more experienced one, and also very much outgunned. To explain what I mean: I’ve dated/slept with some very, um, experienced women. The last girl I dated somewhat seriously brought up the question one day of how many people we’d respectively slept with, and her number far outweighed mine at the time (she was also older, but still). I wasn’t too shock…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 01:56 AM
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I think it’s just lazy writing. Anyone can slap together a character based on stereotypical fashion from 2000’s era Brooklyn or St. Mark’s with bipolar disorder who sweeps some normie off his feet into being less boring. However, you’re correct in that this particular trope seems to receive disproportionately more vitriol than the typical starry-eyed romcom protagonist who just really wants Prince Charming to take her to the dance. I understand that my take is kind of out there and based on anec…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 04:17 PM
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If that’s on page 152 of How to Lose Your Girl, I can’t wait to see what else is in store.
/r/seduction01/12/20 03:47 PM
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It’s a depressing movie that I frankly can never watch again because I’ve heard it discussed and projected upon so many times at this point that seeing it again may ruin my memories of what made it profound. All I’ll say is that at this point in life, I’ve lived it and while JGL’s character isn’t the sexist villain that a lot of the sillier feminist-tinged interpretations of the film that I remember seeing while growing up wanted to make him seem, the guy needed to fucking value himself more and…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 11:36 PM
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Too little information to draw that particular conclusion from there. It only proves what’s in front of you, which is that women overall participate in dating apps with lower frequency than men. To extrapolate why would require a ton more data and speculation. As many in this sub are happy to point out, there are quite a few women who are more than happy to only pursue a man for looks and/or money vs. personality. Social psych data, cultural tropes over time, and years of human history can tell …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 07:00 PM
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I don’t care too much about the number, it’s more how she talks about it than what she’s actually done. My ex a few years ago had slept with considerably more people than me at the time, but she never really brought up these past encounters other than when she’d asked how many partners I’d had out of curiosity. I chalked it up to thusly that - curiosity about past behavior and nothing more. Seems like she was a bit wild in college, but had calmed down. The last girl I dated however, was...questi…
/r/seduction30/11/20 01:29 PM
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Just about none. I know it sounds wishy-washy af, but if you slave yourself to the wildly unpredictable whims of sex and romance, you will be unhappy every day that you don’t manage to obtain those. Of course to an extent some of your life should be dedicated towards being a suitable partner - the skills you develop for taking care of yourself and fitness for instance, are often motivated in part by the hopes that you’ll find a partner someday. But still, understand that this may never happen an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 01:20 PM
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Welp, there go my plans of messing with Tinder. 🤷🏻 There are things us guys can do to get more matches, but honestly the whole thing fucking sucks and I wish it’d go away. All of the tactics of online dating tend to benefit a particularly fake/scummy set of guys and if you’ve actually worked on yourself, chances are you won’t find many matches. Tinder does not reward personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 09:00 PM
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I get that a lot. I think there’s an innate apprehension around the spontaneity of meeting men due to fears surrounding sexual assault and the awkwardness of courting, so social media/dating apps provide an environment where women can “vet” men at the cost of the spontaneity of the experience. Many want it both ways, where they want exciting sex lives but also want their sexuality to be curated in the prearranged setting that an app offers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 11:59 PM
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Wouldn’t that count as meeting online though?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 01:16 PM
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It’s interesting that the only other one to increase in frequency is “met through bar or restaurant.” I’d love to see the data for that, because it could mean a ton of different things. For instance, that can be interpreted as strangers meeting one another in a public setting which is actually a good sign that counteracts the bleakness of meeting online...least it’s still established that we can interact in that setting! What are you guys’ thoughts there? Is there any reason why that’s gone up w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 05:26 AM
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AF/BB has always been one of the dumber ideas proposed by TRP imo, and I think it feeds much of the neuroticism in the men that pursue such a lifestyle. Humans don’t actually have alphas in the way that other animals do per se, and if the category for “alpha” in this social sense is “having sex with many different women,” then allow me to introduce you to my guy friends I’ve had over the years who are complete fucking deadbeats (low income revolving door jobs or unemployed, emotionally unstable,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 09:41 PM
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This post is simultaneously thoughtful and ignorant, so it’s the perfect “worlds collide” post about the sexes. Women will never understand the social pressures we face as men, as they’re equal but different. We men live in a society where we’re constantly under pressure to compete with one another, physically and mentally. Trying to climb the social ladder as a man in the workforce is the shit that drives people to suicide. No one cares about us. We don’t have the same support networks or sympa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 10:35 PM
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I completely understand this! I find that as a man, it’s a lot harder to make friends in adulthood. The best part of manhood is our rugged individuality, and while I’m sure that was useful during primitive and feudal times or out on the frontier, it does not translate well to suburbia. Everyone’s saying join clubs and this sounds cliche but it’s recommends constantly for a reason - it works! Even if you don’t make the best friends of your life there, it helps you learn a skill and gives you some…
/r/seduction20/11/20 02:00 PM
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I think the OP again falls for the folly that women are always coordinating and conniving. Women aren’t that complicated, and yet they’re always scheming some way to net someone better than you...so which one is it? I think much of this comes from a very creative attempt to rationalize attraction, which is often highly irrational. It is very possible that yes, a woman can claim her undying affection and be very romantic with you one moment but then dump you the next, and not because “she’s monke…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 01:43 AM
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Honestly, I have no idea. I’m not good at it. I’m myself right away, possibly to a fault. Can someone else weigh in on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 07:28 PM
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I’m pretty convinced that the emotions thing is bullshit. Women want you to be emotionally available to them, without necessarily wanting the baggage that may come with a man elaborating on his own emotions. I don’t think this is bred about by the “battle of the sexes,” both sexes are like this - we’re already a particularly selfish generation raised in a low-trust society, so why get involved in someone else’s drama? We’d rather just not hear any of it to begin with, no emotions is lower mainte…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 02:27 PM
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Look I could be misinterpreting the situation because of grammar, but it seems like she still has continued to see #2 regardless of this apparent discomfort? If this strategy really isn’t working out so well for him, this should be clarified by OP because the tense of the post gives the impression she likes them both and still wants to see them. I also don’t know whether to take this as sagely advice or a just so story, because some women out there do prefer a guy to be more forward. I guess it’…
/r/seduction19/11/20 12:00 PM
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Serious question: How deep are these insights? Are we talking “chick crack” sort of topics like astrology, yoga mantras, and “live the life you love” optimist sort of stuff, or serious red pills about the world around us that we’ve noticed from general life experience/literature? Does it depend on the girl?
/r/seduction18/11/20 08:30 PM
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Good god...I’m sorry. Now I’m morbidly curious as to what she did. I’m no saint with booze myself, I love saying stupid things and getting wild ideas provided I’m with the right people so I never want to judge too much. However, my ex got really drunk and punched a road sign til she started bleeding, threw up in public, and kept insisting on driving home, all in front of her coworkers...wasn’t an alcoholic per se, but definitely annoying to drink with and it hindered our relationship.
/r/seduction18/11/20 04:11 PM
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I’m sorry man. That fucking sucks. At that point, know that it probably wasn’t you and she had some demons she needed to deal with before she could really make herself available for someone. These are surprisingly difficult red flags to notice at first, especially if you two have a good connection to begin with.
/r/seduction18/11/20 04:04 PM
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If she becomes irritable and snaps at you over nothing when she starts drinking, then there’s likely a problem. I think many guys ignore these things because we’re expected to be “chill” about everything, especially if you went to college where heavy drinking is the norm, but it can turn into an ugly fucking habit that severely hinders interpersonal relationships.
/r/seduction18/11/20 03:58 PM
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Another major red flag: Alcohol. Watch how she drinks. Can she handle her booze well, or is she looking to get trashed right away? Does her demeanor and overall personality dramatically change while drinking? Is she cagey around alcohol the first time or two you meet her, but she loosens up and goes ham as you get to know her more? Are those bottles around her apartment really her roommates’? Does she have beer cans stacked in her recycling bin? And do you find those little plastic tops that are…
/r/seduction18/11/20 01:11 PM
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This is really useful, and highlights a dilemma I’ve had. Guy #2 is clearly pushy and it seems to be making you uncomfortable, understandable. In an ideal world I’d have Guy #1’s strategy, but I feel like this is often mistaken for passivity, disinterest, and/or lack of social cues. What’s the fine line between giving her space and just seeming uninterested? Does this differ between every woman?
/r/seduction17/11/20 04:22 PM
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Thanks man! I’m finally over the hurdle of wanting to jab the part of my brain that remembers the whole ordeal with a fucking screwdriver, but I’m still learning to trust again. I think it’ll just come with time and if there was anything to be learned, I should vet people more. Nothing less masculine about saying you want to wait a bit before sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 06:23 PM
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Yep. Had a pretty genuine and substantial connection with someone that was really developing, until she cut it off rather suddenly over text in a pretty crude and insulting way for reasons mostly unspecified. It was somewhat recent, and I’ve slowly started to get over it but man that fucked me up for a bit. There was something to learn there about red flags for sure, but Jesus shit I wish I didn’t have to learn it that harshly. I wish I didn’t have to learn the most about a person by the way the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 06:09 PM
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Uh, because I’m not attracted to men in any way, shape, or form and because that’s degrading? Also STD’s are astronomically high in the gay porn scene? Why am I humoring this? I must be that bored with work. Fuck it, time to go gay for pay but really for the story.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 05:54 PM
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Last line in that third paragraph is basically the solution. We could all learn from this. Fellas, chances are you and your date will not connect. You likely matched with her based on appearance. No worries, it’s human. And yes, there are quite a few women who still just want a man to buy them shit. Weed them out with coffee and a walk in the park - it forces you to talk to them because there isn’t anything else crazy distracting around, it’s a bit more you in your element because there isn’t an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 04:42 PM
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It’s almost as if FDS attempted to program a bot to shill out as much propaganda in a few posts as possible. An FDS-communist cyborg sounds like the perfect killing machine. Anyway, @ OP: I think the aimless man in his 20’s is largely as much a stereotype as the highly promiscuous, clout-chasing OnlyFans girl that redpill types love going on about. Yes, women are pursuing and obtaining college degrees in greater numbers, but that doesn’t mean the average man is a total slacker. This narrative is…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 03:17 PM
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I think people put up a front that they’re okay with this initial gray area of exclusivity if it’s someone they really like out of some culturally-enforced norm to not appear controlling and because we’ve demonized exclusivity as though it’s some sort of submission, but in reality no one would be okay with this. If I’d been preparing to be exclusive with one woman (ex: we’ve stopped seeing other people, we’ve had some talk leaning towards the direction of exclusivity, etc.) and she slept with so…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 12:11 PM
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Thanks man! Always good to see some positive encouragement around here. It’s a long, slow journey when the hand of cards you were dealt wasn’t exactly great for certain plays, and this just so happened to be the weak hand for me. A lot of older men I’ve spoken to over the years have told me that if you’re awkward in your teens/20’s and know why, then chances are you’ll be hooking up like crazy in your 30’s and may land in a successful relationship. I don’t know if that’s the exact path I’ll take…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 05:39 PM
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26 year old guy here. Slowly but surely, I think so. I’m the definition of a late bloomer; I was a gawky teen who grew up into a troubled young adult (there was a point where I was on the stereotypical “high school star student turned shitty alcoholic waste of space” path). I’ve been on something in the way of a self-improvement journey in the last two years, and think I’ve shed a few of my less attractive habits while developing into someone more workable as a good partner. I went from losing i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 04:52 PM
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Jesus Christ this is so true. Just talk to them, man. They’re human. They take shits and watch The Office like the rest of us.
/r/seduction01/11/20 06:42 AM
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Damn dude, it is tough out there! Know that there’s certainly places for well-read conversationalists, but dating apps are not among them. I struggle with this myself, I’m not going to pretend I’m a guru with the answers but it’s good to know I’m not the only one. What I can say though is generally speaking, avoid the multiple paragraph text blobs. At that point, engage with it still because she put in the effort and if you brought up the topic I’m sure you’re still interested as well, but pivot…
/r/seduction31/10/20 04:28 PM
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This is going to get VERY mixed results on dating apps, probably skewed against you. I’m much the same in that I ideally like to avoid stupid BS conversations about memes and emojis using canned pickup lines, but unfortunately the apps are built for that. Apps are much like bars/clubs in that they’re largely a looks-based medium; don’t expect much in the way of girls looking for substantial conversation there. Many of them aren’t actively looking to date really, they’re there looking for someone…
/r/seduction31/10/20 01:57 PM
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Haven’t done shorts in a while but I generally don’t care about “dressing up” much, which I know is a sin in a sub all about game. I take care of my body, my skin/hair look great, so the rest is all me. I haven’t felt the need to dress like a fashion store mannequin since college, and even then it felt like a monkey suit. If I could, it’d be band tanks, biker jackets, and bullet belts every day.
/r/seduction29/10/20 02:16 PM
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Every so often, especially at shows (back when concerts were still allowed). I get the feeling those are a faux pas in this sub. I don’t exactly expect to be talking to girls in vintage fatigues lol, it’s for days when I really don’t care.
/r/seduction29/10/20 01:01 AM
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I dig it! I’m much more of a “black tee tucked into camo pants tucked into paratrooper boots” kinda guy, but if I ever dress up more for a date I’ll have to keep those in mind.
/r/seduction29/10/20 12:27 AM
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For band tees, depends on the print. If it’s large and near the bottom of the shirt, then don’t. If I’m wearing camo pants I usually tuck it in. If you’re throwing a jacket over it too that you’re wearing open, the tuck helps the ensemble.
/r/seduction28/10/20 05:04 PM
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Let’s raise the stakes a little, fellas: Tucked, or untucked? What are your thoughts?
/r/seduction28/10/20 04:03 PM
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I meant it in a more colloquial sense. I forgot I’m dealing with the sage philosopher kings of Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 10:52 PM
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Not like my YouTube cue’s any better, it’s all Mencius Moldbug, Stalinism, nihilist King of the Hill edits, and the occasional Type O Negative track. 🤷🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 07:13 PM
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End the stigma surrounding a committed relationship. The American middle class has to this idea that the rest of our lives will look like the same level of spontaneity and experimentation that we had in the years of 18-22 in college, where we should’ve been learning in the academy but instead were out socializing (ie, drinking and fucking on a whim). Thus we get programmed with this idea that a committed relationship means we’re now in shackles, that we can no longer sow our wild oats and must s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 05:54 PM
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The target audience of off-color jokes about Prozac and bleak heterodox philosophy? I fuck with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 03:02 PM
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I have never seen this meme, but I wish I had been there when it was alive. Well done.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 07:39 PM
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ba dum tsh By bondage in cynicism, I meant that cynics never have to actually solve anything because everything is fucked so there’s no point. You hit an ideological/methodological brick wall by being a cynic because if you think it’s all fucked, there’s no point in doing anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 05:13 PM
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Exactly, I think the blackpill is (ironically) a decent starting point into some grander introspection that can lead to a better sense of how the world really works. Most people that take the blackpill never get past that though, and they just prefer to wallow in misery. Generally speaking, if everything is going well for you, there’s little incentive to think about a greater scheme. Makes sense to just tie your shoes, button up your shirt, and stick with the program if that’s what’s working for…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 05:11 PM
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High-minded philosophy aside, oftentimes very blackpilled people make no attempt at improvement. I’ve hung out with punks, hard leftists, and environmentalists long enough to know. Yes, it’s useful to understand that much of what’s around us in society is a game with the rules stacked in favor of some over others. It’s most often a very convenient safety blanket to retreat to once things go wrong (ie, “the game is rigged so there’s no point, might as well just wallow in where I am because it’s e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 04:08 PM
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I hate playing devil’s advocate, but isn’t cynicism its own form of bondage?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 01:51 PM
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Imagine being in your 30’s and still going after 18 year olds. How does it not feel like 21 Jump Street? At the very least, one would have to look back at themselves at such an age gap and think, “man what have I not done with my life in the past decade where I can still relate to someone barely out of high school?”
/r/seduction23/10/20 05:08 PM
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...ehhh. Look man, I’m not trying to sound pretentious but what the Hell am I going to talk to an 18-year old about? I’m 26 and applying for advanced degrees in the sciences, she’s barely into her freshman year. I’ll pass. I dated a 22-year old recently and the difference is so clear. She was very sweet and did have some things of interest about her by virtue of being from a very different culture, but I could also just tell by most of the things she said that she was, well, very much 22. Just o…
/r/seduction23/10/20 12:03 PM
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So true. Most girls I talk to or meet up with for dates, I’m not trying to be rude but I genuinely don’t care about what they have to say. It’s often either so trivial or under-researched, it doesn’t seem like they really stand for much of anything or are intellectually curious at all. Last woman I dated, she starts going off about Iran-Contra on our first date and I lit the fuck up. Led to a great, insightful conversation after. Yeah, I found out by the second date that she was riddled with mor…
/r/seduction23/10/20 11:48 AM
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This is really true. I just think of all the guys who walk into bars here acting like they’re hot shit players, even if it’s the local dive and they look like they just changed clothes from working at a construction site. They just communicate bravado and confidence solely by showing up, being loud, and generally acting like the macho part. I’m not going to pretend I’m above them as I do admire that sort of confidence, but no amount of book-smarts on my end is going to compete with that. Convers…
/r/seduction21/10/20 12:25 PM
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Good lord, this is too true. I’m no player by any means, but my few really wild success stories were all about an image I managed to project, not how much I can tell you about the history of post-revolutionary Iran or operant conditioning. It’s really hard for me to put into practice, as I’ve got social anxiety, poor attention span, and generally don’t give a fuck what others think so I don’t often flex as much as I should and say things without a filter that most people probably don’t want to h…
/r/seduction21/10/20 12:18 PM
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Don’t only talk to the women. Even talking to guys is good conversation practice, and you may wind up making a friend or two out of it. If those guys happen to come back then now you’ve made friends with regulars. You’ve just improved your social standing and will look more valuable when introducing yourself to someone. Always remember the benefits of getting your foot in the door! Not always about immediate payoff.
/r/seduction21/10/20 12:06 PM
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Tinder is a cesspit. Online dating in general is difficult. If you want some consoling advice, a lot of it is based not even on looks, but appearances. Have a friend take some good, flattering photos and use pics from your vacations or times you did something exciting. Candids are the best for this. I’m not saying lie, I’m saying show off the best parts of your life to make yourself more attractive. I’m short myself (5’6”) and I do okay on dating apps. Not going to pretend I’m a player, but I’ve…
/r/seduction20/10/20 10:39 PM
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I disagree with the second part. A lot of people in bars aren’t exactly looking for romance, and attraction standards shoot up in that scenario for a variety of reasons (ie, women being told all their lives that bars are sketchy and alcohol is unsafe, so he’d best be really, really hot and an exceptionally smooth talker to overcome that risk). At least in cold approaches during the day, you can vet someone when they’re more candid rather than while they’ve slammed back 3 pints and are ready to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 11:36 AM
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“Scrotes.” ”Scrotes.” Can they make a more unappealing term? It’s on par with “femoids” and yet they’ve somehow fooled themselves into thinking they’re better than that crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 09:52 PM
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Although that strategy has rarely worked for me because of the nature of apps, I’d actually rather know less initially. Keeps the surprise open. When I know too much about the person beforehand, it often just kills any sort of mystery. I like to be surprised by someone. Maybe I’m just looking at everyone in a rarely rose-tinted lenses moment for me, but I think that beneath the very basic personality elements that everyone fills their profiles with in this bougie blue state metro area, there is …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/20 12:21 PM
1

SMH. That’s why Lee Dorrian left the punks behind. Good music taste, but no grace.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 11:21 PM
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One of my biggest regrets is not getting this Napalm Death backpatch at a record store specializing in metal. Vintage print, it was pretty badass. I got a Midnight one instead though, so I’m not too sore about it!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 11:11 PM
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All I want is someone to appreciate my Napalm Death vinyls.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 11:01 PM
3

The great Tom Segura on the matter. In short: No.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 03:49 AM
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For something casual, it really isn’t a factor. In terms of relationship however, someone promiscuous with a higher body count well above the norm is much more accustomed to quick, convenient connections that they can use you for and dip without second thought. A person like this is well aware of their options, and likely will not lose any sleep if they randomly dump you and move onto the next one. This is not someone you want to build a lasting connection with, if they are even capable of havin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 05:04 PM
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Frankly if it’s someone I’m actually dating, I’d prefer not to discuss it. Unless if it’s a really funny awkward story, like a “the time your ex got so excited he yelled ‘fuck me retarded!’ and punched you in the gut” caliber, then I really don’t want to hear about her bedroom life before us. I’m not a jealous person, but if all the woman I’m seeing talks about is sex with previous men (or women) then that’s a huge red flag IMO. I think of it as, why is this person I’m seeing and allegedly tryin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 12:16 PM
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I think whoever posted that is unfortunately only used to very emotionally immature women, probably in college, who are used to looking after nothing but themselves, their wallets, their weed drawer/liquor cabinet, and maybe a houseplant. I can’t blame the guy, as being recently out of college and in a particularly career-obsessed metropolitan area, that’s what I’m used to as well. A good, functioning relationship has leagues more to offer than just sex. The two of you are essentially one anothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 12:38 PM
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I don’t know man. I’ll grant you that my personal perspective may be very distorted because I really, really am one of those people who’s unapologetically himself in every situation so I don’t understand the mask one would put before sex. Could be my downfall? But, I also don’t believe it applies to everyone. I think during the lead-up and initiation to sex then sure, someone may be kinda fake and flex a lot to get laid. I’ve had that happen before, where the girl seems really sweet and accommod…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 12:25 PM
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My man, that’s the perfect place to go alone. It’s really loud and the fans get pretty wild, but they’re there for the music. Much better than doing it at an EDM party or something. I’m a metalhead and all my friends like hip hop and pop. None of them want to see Blood Incantation or Eyehategod? Great, less baggage! I’ll jump in the pit, talk to other bangers about this crazy music, and hang with the band after to my heart’s content. It’s kinda liberating when you do something alone that your fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 12:50 AM
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Nope, I just make friends there. Trust me, it’s really easy! I’m in my best mood when I’m hyped to see a band I love at a venue I frequent. I can actually hang there instead of feeling like I have to plow through 50 people just to get a beer and maybe hope I meet someone. That night I know there’s people there with the same interest as me, and they’re gonna want to talk. It’s why they’re there. The way I see it: Even if I don’t meet anyone, I’m still gonna bum rush the front row and try to stage…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 11:33 PM
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When large events were still allowed, I found myself going to concerts alone. I like a really niche type of music that my friends and most people I meet aren’t into. I used to really not be into live music because crowds generally bug me out, but one day I went to see my favorite band on my birthday when everyone else was too busy to do anything that night, and I got into the habit of going alone. You’ll be surprised at what you learn from it. Don’t like crowds? Well, now you do. The music will …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:20 PM
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“Adversarial strategy.” Well shit, that’s a great way to put it! I really think men and women just trust each other less and less given where dating has gone. Every profile I scroll by online I can’t help but think that at this age, I’m getting the baggage associated with being ghosted, suddenly dumped over text, pressured into sex, general neuroticism due to the overexposure of putting oneself out there for strangers to judge, and self-centeredness that comes with having the illusion of infinit…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 06:57 PM
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Exactly, this hits it right on the head. Walking up to someone or checking out their dating profile, you really have no idea what they find attractive/unattractive. Some things about you at be set solid dealbreakers, while others may win them over. It’s easy to forget when approaching someone that you’re dealing with the summation of their entire life history, and that’s what’ll dictate how they view you during and after that first impression. Your chances of romantic success with someone are in…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 06:42 PM
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Frankly I don’t think it’s exclusive to women. Most people in general don’t think about the dynamics of dating and sexuality, they just do what they’ve learned is okay to do based on trial and error, and if they do read up on such subjects it’s often things that conform to their worldview. Considering that TRP treats women as an expendable resource that can be “gamed,” of course most women are going to refute it. Same reason why most men who see FDS would probably refute it, because frankly it’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 12:32 PM
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You’re not going to win over most, so why bother? Have fun being yourself. I like a lot of outdated music, dress like some Headbanger’s Ball never went outta style despite being really clean cut, nerd out really hard over film, and read about some really niche politics, philosophy, and science. It’s not going to win over most at any given bar I go to, but I’m really good at attracting that weirdo demographic I’d rather be around when the opportunity arises. I can’t imagine trying to be normal an…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 01:33 PM
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What’s wrong with yourself though? Is it THAT bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 11:12 PM
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Absolutely spot on. We unfortunately have to do a lot of the heavy lifting when it comes to initiation of interactions. The very fact that we need to approach means we often have to look good in a way that women typically don’t understand - it’s not merely good in a “primped up” sorta way that a decent eye for fashion and doing makeup for an hour can cover, but rather in the way that only years of confidence and success provides. It’s that secure in oneself, “can do” sorta posture and expression…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 11:08 PM
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The first one seems real cheap to be honest. Sure, sex is okay, but now try getting her to stay around. Validation is a high, and the high comes from the lead up to the sex, that feeling of being wanted. It’s intoxicating. Seems like we live our lives very different ways though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:49 PM
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Well don’t you like a challenge? Why play this on easy? Makes for the better reward if you’ve gotta struggle a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:31 PM
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Yeah but let’s be real, without women men are semi-aimless. You think the great explorers of the day crossed oceans and didn’t expect to get laid? I know that sounds facetious, but the potential for a mate is part of what inspires a man to leave a legacy. And again, not saying fuck everything that moves - there’s far more of a legacy in building something monogamous with someone special. No, it’s not the same without some hint of sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:58 PM
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Well, might as well get to know them then. And if it doesn’t work out, I’m sorry. But it’s almost like applying for a job or learning that instrument you’ve always wanted to play, are you going to sit there and stir about it without taking the initiative or gonna put yourself out there and do it? There’s always the risk it won’t work out, but least you tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:05 PM
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Look, I get that dating is weird now. Yeah, there are some women like this. There are women who are afraid of commitment. There are women who take the “slut empowerment” messaging to heart and use men and sex as sources of dopamine hits through validation, effectively commodifying themselves to a point where they don’t realize that they’ve destroyed the ability to build meaningful connections with someone else. There are women who want to game you. But Jesus man, you can’t go through life comple…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:42 PM
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To get back to the last part of your comment, if you’re asking me personally no, when I’m in my 30’s I’m probably going to want to be with someone roughly my age (in my mid 20’s now, for reference). I understand that I’m a little old-fashioned and a romantic when it comes to this, but I’ve always liked the idea of seeing life with someone who’s my equal, someone who challenges me, and someone I can grow old with; I just don’t find that in a younger woman. I recently was dating someone just 4 yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 11:49 PM
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...because, they like you? I’m assuming what you’re referring to here as the “raging hormonal monster” stage is the honeymoon phase of a relationship. Red pill teaches men that this is nothing more than “just your turn.” I don’t know how any confident, self-respecting man who knows what he can give to the world can take this premise as anything other than cynical self-abasement. There’s a hidden undertone in red pill of men actually just not being good enough for the women they court or pursue; …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 11:21 AM
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I never said you were problematic or misogynistic or any of that. I am going to say though that you’re inferring too much and grasping at straws. Realize that you now sound like you’re basically blaming me for nice guys existing. It’s no one’s fault that nice guys can’t stop being passive but their own. It’s up to them to realize they have agency in their interactions with people. I know this all too well because there was a time when I was one. The only way to get rid of those tendencies is to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 01:04 AM
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So you’re a slave to what others taught you early in life? No input on those reactions that you’re ingrained to have whatsoever, despite being fully conscious of what you were taught and how you were told to react? Nah, take a wrench to that where you feel the need. It’s a weight off your shoulders. It’s not “enlightened centrism,” it’s having an active role in your own development. “Nice guys” do what they’re told. I dunno about this imbalance metaphor with red pill. My problem with red pill is…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 12:34 AM
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So then don’t be a white knight, blue pill, simp, or nice guy. Those all suck too (seriously, no one likes a fucking nice guy, even nice guys hate themselves). Get out of these compartmentalized boxes of prepackaged perspectives and just be. It’s not about reinforcing “positive but incorrect stereotypes” either. I think it’s healthier to understand that you should take everyone you interact with on their own merit rather than walking in and writing them off based on stereotypes. Yeah, no one’s p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 11:50 PM
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I too was mostly raised by female relatives (just the way my family happened to be), and had mostly female friends growing up (my class was majority female and most of the guys were aspiring gangbangers, so that limited options). Never turned over to redpill or incel. However I’ll grant you that yes, I wouldn’t doubt at all that many people involved in those ideas probably came from single mother households that were lacking in effective male role models growing up. I think I just got (oddly) lu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 09:50 PM
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...you do know there’s more than just college girls out there, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 02:36 PM
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I always thought a good way to get out of the “pills” mindset was to focus on the women in your life that you aren’t trying to pursue. Notice just how “normal” they are rather than the caricatures propelled by these ideologies. Yes, they’re going to make mistakes and do shitty things and seemingly make trouble for themselves, but that’s just called being human. I don’t want to say it’s completely necessary for romantic and sexual success, but being able to build strong connections with women you…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 01:47 PM
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Exactly. I see too many people become straight up goddamn miserable because their standards are unreachable. It’s not even “lower your standards” because that tells people to settle, but come on, I see men out there who expect to bang 200 women because they think other men and women are doing it, I see women who expect to be swept up by a rich 30-something when they’ve barely got anything interesting about them, I see people go after others just based on race/ethnic characteristics that amount t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 11:10 AM
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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with ANYONE having a preference for whom they date, but two things that can make it wrong are if 1. The person exclusively chases a model for that type with x, y, and z characteristics that just doesn’t exist and is an unreachable standard, and 2. If the person is outright disrespectful toward those who do not fit these neatly defined preferences. Case in point: I know how many women feel about short guys. I’m short myself, and I’ve never actually been self-c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 12:23 AM
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Not really. It’s something that may seem like the omnipotent new standard because it’s all you hear about and it’s VERY easy to see that perspective put out there, but plenty of people still don’t want to have sex on the first date. A lot of the girls I’ve met through online dating have hang ups about hooking up the first time around, and I’m fine with that as I don’t think it’s always the best for a good connection. There are exceptions of course, but I’m not usually a fan of it and when I star…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 07:59 PM
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It seems like you view relationships as like an hourglass timing who’s likely to cheat first. This cannot work, and is born entirely of neuroticism, distrust for the opposite sex based on stereotypes, and likely projecting your own insecurities onto others. A good, functioning relationship does not always come naturally. What do YOU have to bring to the table? Do you get routine and settle into a pattern quickly, or are you always thinking of ways to keep things fresh with your partner? In every…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 02:10 PM
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FDS is very literally a dating strategy based on rejection. It cannot yield anything productive. It seems as though the whole point of FDS is to get pleasure from rejecting men, and feedback from an echo chamber of similarly shitty-minded women who will cheer you on for it. TRP is pretty low, but at least the point is to get you out there. FDS on the other hand seems incredibly antisocial. If I got a whiff of that from a girl I’m seeing, I’d split.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 01:07 AM
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I like women. Most of my family is women so a lot of my great role models growing up have been women, and a lot of my closest friends are women. I’ve also been really hurt by women and don’t trust them in relationships. It’s a fun double standard to have. I understand why some people have contempt for the opposite sex. We’ve all been hurt. But I don’t think that should mold the impression entirely. Some women suck yes, but there are a lot of really amazing ones out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 03:11 PM
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Trivialization of sex as merely “something to do” while also elevating looseness to the most important thing and an expected norm for all to take part in, media that promotes the stereotypes and ideals of city-dwelling coastal elites, a society obsessed with status-seeking and outward appearance, the loss of feminism’s truly radical and separatist element into an ugly blend of “educated” Liberal elitism and preoccupation with emulating past counterculture without understanding why, the destructi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 03:56 PM
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Agreed. I’ve always thought the only thing these “pilled” strategies are good for is making you resentful of others and fearful, distrustful, and abusive toward the opposite sex. The more positive aspects of TRP maybe, just MAYBE, might be decent for an awkward, gawky teen who really doesn’t know much about women and confidence. I think taken in a very mild dose it can help him be more appreciative of his status as a man. It’s too bad that everything else about it is wrong. Okay, so there’s the …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 03:39 PM
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is 5’6” FUCK. But yeah, agreed. A lot of it really is your attitude, posture, and how you come off when you speak. “Unattractive” men are often redeemable in these qualities. I’ve always said if you’re not traditionally attractive, you should get really, really fucking good at something to blow people’s minds because it’s almost as if they expect you to be bitter about everything due to your status. There’s no better cure for bitterness and resentment than just being amazing at something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 02:51 PM
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...my man. This is sweeping conclusion after sweeping conclusion based on weird stereotypes. Listen to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 04:02 AM
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Okay, which is why when asked if they think men are liars, cheats, and scumbags they say “a large portion are not” and when presented the “the shit or a nobody” dichotomy they say things like “that’s pretty radical” and “a lot of guys are unfairly judged for just being nice.” I don’t really think these women are exactly the predators and leeches you’re expecting them to be. Also, are you really basing your view of the world on some guy going around and asking strangers questions gonzo style? You…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/20 09:30 PM
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You don’t exactly have to be a club banger playboy or a star athlete or something to get dates and be interesting. Do you have any fun hobbies? Do you read about anything for fun? Have you always been astute with observations and know how to ask questions? Is there anything in particular where you really LIGHT UP when discussing it? Then you’ll be golden on dates. A compelling man is one who clearly has drive and initiative, and can speak with conviction about what he knows and believes in. Thin…
/r/seduction02/09/20 04:17 PM
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...women don’t show interest in men? Okay, I understand that women are typically skittish about making the first move, but have you really never spoken to a woman who’s interested in a guy and the observed the way she talks about him? It could be the guy they just went on an awesome date with and want to see again, their boyfriend, or maybe the confident, sharply-dressed guy in the corner of the room whose bones they’re thinking about jumping, but women absolutely show interest in men. They (oft…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/20 12:33 PM
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...or she continues to go for men of the exact same lowlife caliber instead of “upward” as your hypergamy framework implies. Or maybe she gets knocked up by one and decides to attempt to stay committed to him. Maybe she gets knocked up, aborts, learns her lesson, and goes straight and narrow from then on out, having gotten over the “bad boy” phase. All things I’ve seen happen. You never actually know what’s going to happen, but it’s easy to assuage this by labeling all women’s behavior as “hyper…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/20 01:57 AM
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It’s not just junkies though. Plenty of college girls and otherwise normal-ish women go for the drug dealers. I’m not saying this about every career woman, but I do remember seeing the occasional business and med student types hooking up with the coke/ecstasy/heroin dealers (meth was too scary though), and don’t think for a second they weren’t using a bit of the product. Junkies aren’t the only people who like drugs. It’s for a reason that TRP happens to be semi-correct about, which is that assh…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 08:27 PM
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As someone who extensively studied evolutionary psych and social psych in college, and has been a history buff my whole life, I roll my eyes into the back of my head whenever I hear about the way they discuss hypergamy. Sorry, I hate sounding like Adam Ruins Everything, but they’ve got a lot of this wrong. Hypergamy is based on a dated concept used to describe the Indian caste system as it was described and implemented in the 19th century. Why do they insist on resurrecting old standards from a …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 12:25 PM
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I think the panic over OnlyFans is just so hilariously overblown. It’s not as bad in this sub as in some others (though it is pretty bad here tbh), but a lot of people in this sphere act as if it’s now the new norm for girls roughly the age of 18-27 to all have OnlyFans accounts and make money taking off their clothes and making ahegao faces on camera, and the only places for men left will be the Chad banging these OF hoes, or the simp paying them (the classic philosophical conundrum: To simp, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 12:32 PM
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I’d hate to rain on the parade here but studies like this often have like no validity, especially with how reliant on self-reports they are and drawing massive conclusions from data that could well be tall tales from those interviewed. However, I do agree to an extent - I tend to think people who are more “giving” in general make better sex partners. I’ve got friends who were very into hooking up and such, and many of them tended to be (I can say it because we’re friends) selfish assholes. And y…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 11:28 AM
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Wasn’t there a massive issue in that “community” when some guy thought of the idea to host a CG/green screen anime girl character performing sexual acts as “a performer” and all the camgirls went wild with outrage? Or am I thinking of some other camgirl site? Either way, same thing. Businesses change as consumer trends change. I don’t think there’s going to be a “thot crash.” Unfortunately, society makes it easier and easier for particularly lazy young women to sell sexuality and avoid self-empo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 02:08 PM
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I think sexuality in youth is largely a battle between quantity vs. quality, whereas it’s typically framed as indulgence vs. restraint. What I mean is: So we all discover at a certain age that we’re horny. Both men and women want to go out there and sow our seed to to speak, but some of us are inherently more attractive than others, both physically and socially. However certain pressures (society, the biological clock, and not wanting to die alone) encourage us to settle down with someone. On to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 08:17 PM
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Wait, so she offered to pay and got mad when he accepted? HUH?? Yeah fuck that, he dodged a good-sized bullet there. My take on this: In general, men, offer to pay. It’s a courteous thing to do. HOWEVER, 9 times out of 10 in this area, women will then be fine with splitting the check. Women here are gainfully employed and often like being able to pay for their own things. It’s a good sign in my book if she refuses and says “no, we can split.” Just one less likely indicator that she’s trying to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 07:21 PM
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Because as much as I disagree with TRP and FDS, I know they have merit and rightfully point out certain phenomena that traditional dating advice neglects. I’ve always disliked how the usual dating advice for men completely neglects the fact that yes, there are some really shitty manipulative women who don’t exactly have the best of intentions out there, a lot of women you will meet in your dating life will be quite shallow and only do things for validation, and it’s not sexist to admit that. Pop…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 02:02 AM
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I think the age gap is only an issue where one party is at an age where they’re significantly less experienced in life and don’t really know any better about a lot of what’s going on. I understand that 18 is legal, but if you’re 27 and going out with an 18 year old it’s going to be pretty weird. And yes, 20 year olds are adults but if you’re 35 still trying to mack on some girl who can’t even legally get into a bar yet, that’s weird. Nobody really wants to accept it because I think this statemen…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 03:00 PM
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Nah, I’ll pass. They’re just in it for the money and tend to have problems. I’ve known a few people who do the sugar thing and they’re usually totally rotten. Might as well just get to know someone organically.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 06:02 AM
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Yeah, that’s what I did. This was years ago, I was like 19-20? Barely had any experience with dating at that point, I didn’t realize what she had done beforehand was abusive (stuff I haven’t mentioned here) but that was surely my limit. Anytime I saw her after that she’d make a scene, tried to sic whatever simpy dudes she had following her around after me but I didn’t let her become too much of a nuisance. Whoever said success is the best way to piss them off had the right idea, she said I’d nev…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 08:00 PM
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I think we’ve left our boys behind, and nowhere is this more apparent than in education. It’s been very well-documented that boys and girls have different learning styles, particularly in early childhood with boys typically being particularly less attentive, more rambunctious, and better at spatial tasks and reasoning while girls on average have greater attention spans, are calmer, and better at memorization tasks. Any of the men in this thread can probably remember being disciplined in class in…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 01:40 PM
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My first ever girlfriend cheated on me with her best friend. I just stopped talking to her forever - I was a teenager and I sort of regret doing that, could’ve handled it more maturely (ie, confronting her), but also fuck her for doing that. I got cheated on by someone I was seeing in college. I tried the “let’s stay friends” thing because I thought it was “the mature way to handle it” but I flipped one day and told her I felt disrespected and didn’t want to see her anymore. She threatened to co…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 12:52 AM
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Yeah I second this, I’d also like to present myself as a counterpoint to the OP. Anecdotes suck as evidence, but this is PPD not stats class so screw it, I’m doing it. I had much the same view about sex and relationships as you, but I diverge in that I DIDN’T love myself. I had it in the back of my mind that most women were never going to like me and find me attractive for a variety of reasons, but the key there being “most” and not “all.” I never blamed women for not liking me, I blamed myself …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 07:52 PM
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There’s definitely a joke in there about needing more than a flagpole to reach me at that distance, but let’s not push it here haha! I mean, if you really think that you might need to venture outside of this thread. Height isn’t as completely fatalist as you may think. If women really don’t touch short men, then the question begs to be asked how anyone in Latin America or Japan gets laid. There’s a lot more to attraction than just height. I know anecdotes aren’t the best evidence, but I seem to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 10:46 AM
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I always thought much of it was that perception of “feeling safe.” In general there’s the idea that no one is going to fuck with a guy who’s 6’5”. Many women do in fact still feel vulnerable in certain situations; ask a lot of your female friends how they feel walking to their car in a derelict parking lot or trying to get home alone in the city at night, for example. At the exact inverted value of that height, I probably wouldn’t make the average woman feel particularly safe in such a scenario …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 11:34 AM
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We all kinda want what we can’t have. I’d say this stems largely from the attraction toward someone who needs “fixing.” I know it from my own experience, but a lot of guys I’ve known have also fallen for this. Relationships where the other person struggles feel like something more in that they’re not the routine of going on dates, talking on the phone or texting, doing the dishes, complaining about what movies to watch or what food to order. When she’s fucked up it gives you a new purpose, it gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 10:01 PM
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Uh, no? Who would possibly think this?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 09:38 PM
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You’re getting too far down into the weeds of talking about communism now, you’ve missed the point. I’m basically saying Russian culture is so conducive to the idea of the age gap that it’s possible that it is an outlier compared to much of the rest of the world, especially the developed world, due to its legacy of harshly authoritarian agrarian society before communism (ie, women married off very young because you have to keep the family seed spread before you die of harsh elements), then durin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 02:09 AM
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Yes, but hypothetically younger women are more fertile, hence why younger marriage/encouragement to court younger women was the staple. It’s a cultural trait that largely predates the ‘91 collapse. There are still quite a few cultural holdovers from the Soviet days, some of which themselves were holdovers from the pre-industrial days. It takes a while for cultures to adjust, especially one so tyrannical and centrally-controlled.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 12:47 AM
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25 here, so I’m in that slightly nebulous cutoff right between Millennials and Zoomers. It’s impossible to not notice how many aspects of social life have effectively moved online and how “impersonal” people have become. I’ve noticed much of it is regional. I used to live in a more “country” part of my state, where there was quite a drinking culture, a lot of hobbies were outdoors, you knew who your neighbors were, and small talk was the norm. If you talked to someone for more than 10 minutes, c…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 03:14 PM
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Could the fact that all three are ex-communist (ie, a system that particularly encouraged marriage while young and fertile to spam the workforce with as many people as possible to keep the mills and factories fed) have anything to do with that? All three have also been uniquely inhospitable for centuries before industrialization and this certainly reflects some aspects of their cultures. Marriage age is no different. It makes sense to have a culture where women are married off particularly young…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 01:19 PM
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I don’t know why redpillers try so hard to compare famous people to the rest of us when they’re often several orders of magnitude removed from the average person in quite a few metrics. Of course rockstars are going to want to bang young models for a while, because they can. As a matter of fact for musicians, it’s almost expected due to the groupie culture that existed for a good 20-30 years during rock’s heyday. When you’re that combination of exceedingly rich, famous, and talented, you can loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 11:18 AM
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Yeah I always thought this concept was absolute nonsense. Once you’re past the college years of 18-23, I would say the overwhelming majority of couples tend to be roughly age-matched within a window of ~5 years. Yes, men will still think about fucking a 20-year old. But actually shacking up with them? At age 38, what are you even going to talk to her about, Tik Tok? And most girls that age think of the men in their mid-late 30’s still hitting on them as losers. The only romantic interactions tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 10:49 PM
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Yes. Quite a few times. The moment I decided to cut out the last girl I was dating was when I was talking about something VERY important personally, and though it wasn’t exactly a happy subject, we’re adults and I was asking for her input (related to my employment situation at the time). She interrupts and just starts sending me gifs of cute animals to change the subject. I could never take her seriously after that, and all I noticed from there on out were flaws. Sweet girl, just very “pick me.”…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 09:42 PM
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I surely agree with the title. Online dating seems to disproportionately benefit a particularly photogenic and conventionally attractive few. And yes, many, many, MANY people in the normie world outside this sub are quite dissatisfied with online dating. I have not heard a single positive take on it since I was about 19-20 or so in college when the initial Tinder boom was at its height so the damage hadn’t quite sunk in yet; the most positive I’ll hear about it is “well, it’s hard to meet people…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 12:21 PM
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Well someone beat me to it, but completely unfettered sexuality isn’t exactly conducive to the development of civilization. In order to be motivated to achieve something, everyone needs to be a little hungry, and if that hunger is constantly sated then most people aren’t going to aim higher. It’s one of the few TRP points I actually agree with - why would people in the top percentile of attractiveness settle down in their youth when they know they can afford to play the field for much longer and…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 06:41 PM
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“Everyone experiments when they’re young” is the answer you give when trying to avoid awkwardly calling out the person you’re talking to for having done something clearly fucked up in the past. We all hate how it’s become an excuse, and yet we’ve all said it. That needs to end. OP, it doesn’t seem like you’re in the right mindset for just sleeping around. Sex shouldn’t be about validation and attention-seeking. Unfortunately many pursue casual sex for those reasons and...well that’s why this sub…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 04:39 AM
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Exactly my point! Possibly around that number, it just seems magnified since it’s everywhere and hard to tune out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 05:22 AM
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You know what? It’s true. I’m normally the type to dismiss a lot of TRP/FDS stuff as “you should talk to more men/women,” and I’ll still do that because I really can’t get my head around those ideas. I still think they succumb to the blinders provided by a priori assumptions and stereotypes. However I wouldn’t be here if I thought the relationship trends in modern society were healthy, and if I’d never had any issues with the opposite sex. The fact of the matter is, looking out the window things…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:55 AM
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They’re not getting it from reality, they are making these assumptions based on a stereotype of a subset of a subset of a population; however this happens to be an incredibly noticeable subset due to the loudly-signaling nature of these behaviors. To take a stab at breaking down these characteristics, let’s say you can really only pull these behaviors off if you’re “hot.” For sanity’s sake, we’re going to define “hotness” as possessing a combination of a certain suite of physical characteristics…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 10:59 PM
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I don’t really think it’s a matter of women “lowering their standards” to make male friends. One of the silver bullets to pickup/game is the sheer unpredictability of attraction and romantic/sexual success - sure, there are some things that you as a man can do to generally improve your chances, but so much of whether or not each individual case leads to sex/a committed relationship is up to a lot of different variables out of your control. What if she really likes your type normally, but approac…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 10:52 PM
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True, but it’s just commonly known that this isn’t gonna give you the best advice. I’m not saying you should never, ever take a woman’s advice on dating as a man - sometimes it can help! But in general, don’t expect anything too profound because they haven’t been in anything even close to your shoes in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 09:16 PM
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Yes, but attraction/dating isn’t logical to begin with. Don’t expect to receive fully logical input on something largely based in emotion. However it makes sense to consult the same sex as you when asking what course of action to take when courting someone, because at least then you can get advice that’s at least nominally more reliable because chances are they have been in your shoes before rather than a projection of a situation from what the opposite sex ideally wants to occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 08:39 PM
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Men are seen as simple, brutish, and savage. Not to disparage my own but come on, quite a few of us do revel in this stereotype (and I’ll admit, sometimes it’s pretty damn fun). Women are often seen as being coy and demure. Much of the feminist ideology that has been perpetuated in modern culture preaches this idea that woman have some sort of special wisdom and extra layers of complexity by virtue of their increased emotionality that men lack. These stereotypes just disservice both of us imo - …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 03:23 AM
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I doubt it’s intentional the overwhelming majority of the time. Oftentimes, asking a female friend for relationship advice will only result in her saying what she specifically wants in a man rather than something more generalizable. Same goes for men advising women. But seriously OP, don’t rely on female friends for a lot of dating advice. Men relate better to other men in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 03:15 AM
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