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| 1 | How much do you think your car matters for dating as a man?I don't think the car matters a great deal, however, I will say women seem to look for signs that you have your life together - so having a car at all is a plus, and not having one can be a negative depending on where you live. Obviously in some places public transport is completely standard for everyone so you won't lose too much stock there, but there's definitely places where women will view it as a negative if you have to get the bus whenever you go anywhere. (I live in northern UK). Women a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/25 12:27 AM |
| 3 | The reason men are so obsessed with virginity and sexual performance is because most women areWell they're common sense but yes, 20 seconds on Google for example. https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability#:~:text=The%20highest%20divorce%20rates%20shown,a%20stable%20marriage%20less%20tenable. https://www.athensjournals.gr/social/2017-4-4-3-Pinto.pdf | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/24 04:45 PM |
| 1 | SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child.There's clearly a difference being forced to pay for a kid for 18 years that isn't yours, vs your partner having to pay some child support to someone else. One is your money, the other is someone else's money. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/24 04:39 PM |
| 8 | The reason men are so obsessed with virginity and sexual performance is because most women areWhy am I not surprised you missed the point. You implied it was stupid to judge someone for their past because they can lie about it, which I demonstrated was a really odd point to make. Promiscuous women have higher rates of STI's, higher infidelity rates, higher paternity fraud rates, higher divorce rates, lower relationship satisfaction, higher rates of mental illness, higher rates of personality disorders, cannot guarantee paternity to a man. So no, it absolutely is not stupid to count someo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 09:42 PM |
| 2 | SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child.Right. That doesn't defraud a woman into raising a child that isn't hers though does it? Mandatory paternity tests would make men's behaviour more responsible too, as well as women's. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 09:37 PM |
| 3 | The reason men are so obsessed with virginity and sexual performance is because most women areThere are a million ways to insult a man who holds opinions you don't like, dickhead, misogynist, idiot... instead women want to use "you can't get laid" as their go-to insult. Ironically this rhetoroc degrades women to the role of objects to be sexually conquered by men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 09:35 PM |
| 6 | The reason men are so obsessed with virginity and sexual performance is because most women areIncel is specific to man's ability to get women to like him though. "Bad friend" is not gender specific. Men's insults towards women are a reflection of what they think are bad traits for women to have. So "whore" is used because men think promiscuity is a bad trait for a woman to have. Men don't call women virgins or incels because men don't view sexless women as losers. Men don't value a woman on how many men she can get. Women use virgin, incel, as they value a man based on his ability to att… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 06:14 PM |
| 4 | The reason men are so obsessed with virginity and sexual performance is because most women areThis doesn't really makes sense. You'll still have to explain why being unpopular with women (repels as you put it) is meant to be insulting to a man? Why don't men go around calling women incels if he thinks she has a personality that is off putting to men? It's insulting because you value a man on how many women he is able to attract. If most women are attracted to him, he's respected by women, if most are repelled by him, he's a loser. It will always come back to ability to get sex from women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 05:50 PM |
| 2 | SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child.For how long would you have raised the baby (that you didn't even carry) before you feel committed to raising it for 18 years? You're telling me some woman fucks your husband and now he's pregnant, you do a DNA test at birth and find out a couple days later that it's not yours... You're going to pay for and raise the baby for 18 years? And you can't disown the man completely, it's his baby, you're going to have to co-parent with the cheating man even if you're separated. If you want to do that, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 05:39 PM |
| 2 | SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child.I agree, but being cheated on is not unique to either men or women. The only thing that is unique to either sex is men raising a child that isn't even theirs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 05:32 PM |
| 7 | SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child.Women are not forced to pay for and raise a child for 18 years that has nothing to do with them. You do realise this difference don't you? Women don't need assurances that their child is actually theirs. If men carried the baby and women had no idea if it was theirs, women should 100% get a test to check the child is theirs. The equivalent of a woman going through a man's phone, is the man going through a woman's phone. Checking whether you've been defrauded on a legal obligation to raise a chil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 02:57 PM |
| 0 | SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child.Go ahead and do that I guess. Again it's a false equivalency though A paternity test involves the father and baby DNA, there is no DNA check on the woman necessary The reason paternity tests are so important is so a man isn't stuck paying for and raising a kid for 18 years when it has nothing to do with him. A man cheating on a woman does not render her liable to raise a child for 18 years under false pretences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 02:40 PM |
| 7 | Why do women feel upset when their guy friend rejects approaching a girl?Probably not as bluntly as that. But then again I'm not sure why women would recommend ugly men to approach women when feminists have made it clear women don't want to be approached by ugly men. I'm not sure who exactly is winning in this scenario, the men are destroying their self esteem with the rejection, and the women are having their night ruined by having to tell a queue of ugly men to go away. Everybody loses. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 02:36 PM |
| 2 | SOLUTION: Men get to ask for a DNA test as long as the GF/wife gets to randomly check his phone/tablet/computer and check that’s he not abusing the child.If there was a DNA test that could check if a man was unfaithful or abusive, women should 100% use that test, the same way men should use paternity tests. Checking through a man's devices is a false equivalency. Your phone is a right to privacy and the privacy of the friends/family you're communicating with who don't want their messages shared with people other than the intended recipients. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 02:04 PM |
| 12 | Why do women feel upset when their guy friend rejects approaching a girl?Your friends who are women tend to be absolutely oblivious to what life experience is like as an average or below average man. In your friends blue pilled minds, the woman in question would love to be approached by you because you're a nice enough fella. They're completely oblivious to the fact the woman in question doesn't know you and all she sees is an unattractive strange man trying to talk to her and she just wants you to leave her alone. Good looking men also have the same attitude as thes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 01:57 PM |
| 15 | The reason men are so obsessed with virginity and sexual performance is because most women areWhy don't men go around calling random women virgins to insult them? Because men don't value a woman based on her ability to "get laid". Women use virgin as an insult because 1. They're repulsed by men who lack sexual experience 2. They're repulsed by men who aren't pre-selected by other women | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 01:50 PM |
| 15 | The reason men are so obsessed with virginity and sexual performance is because most women areWhat's your point? A man could lie to you about his past as a serial killer. That wouldn't stop you from saying "I don't want to marry a serial killer". People should make the best judgements they can on the kind of person they're dealing with. If you get the feeling that you're dealing with a man who may be violent or abusive in the past, you likely wouldn't marry him. If men get the feeling they're dealing with a promiscuous woman they likely won't marry her. You can't tell with 100% accuracy … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 01:43 PM |
| 26 | The reason men are so obsessed with virginity and sexual performance is because most women areWay to miss the point. Women complain that men are seen as studs and praised for sleeping with a lot of women, and men sleeping with women is seen as a conquest, they'll describe it as "patriarchal" and "toxic masculinity". Meanwhile they'll go round calling men they don't like virgins, incels, can't get laid etc. Thus reinforcing the idea that a man's value should be judged on his ability to get women into bed. Women paint men who aren't getting laid as losers and laughing stocks of society, an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/24 01:37 PM |
| 2 | Q4W: What is your personal definition of a "good man"?I think women are being deliberately obtuse when it comes to "types", because 2 men can be stereotypical chads yet look nothing alike. If we take 2 men One is 6ft 2, handsome facial features, light hair, blue eyes, clean shaven, broad shoulders, above average muscle mass, 12% body fat The other is 5ft 11, handsome facial features, dark hair, brown eyes, bearded, broad shoulders, above average muscle mass, 18% body fat If we offered these 2 men to women maybe 50% would choose guy A and 50% would … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/24 02:08 PM |
| 1 | Women's high standards are mostly talkBillions of men weren't practicing PUA though were they? And eventually there were news stories of women complaining to shopping malls that men kept approaching them every time they went to the mall and it needed to stop. There's been campaigns to stop street harassment as significant section of women can't stand men trying to speak to them on the street. This approach only works on the basis a tiny minority of men are approaching women such that womem find it a rare experience. If we ever got t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/24 12:42 PM |
| 0 | Women's high standards are mostly talkImagine billions on men tomorrow suddenly took your advice and started "practicing" hitting on women at the bus stop. There would be international outrage, understandably. There's also this false premise that women don't mind men approaching them as long as they take rejection well and are polite. This might be true if the woman has to reject a dude twice a year, but if it's frequent, they will become very very frustrated at being bothered by unattractive men. If a woman goes to a night club wit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/24 01:02 AM |
| 1 | Debate : People dont understand that Money and status makes you GENUINELY more sexually attractive as a Man.To young, attractive women, looks are far more important because they're not at the stage of looking for a beta provider yet. They want the hottest and most exciting guy, even if he's still a student and working as bartender/club promoter, his lack of status is irrelevant, he has unlimited women if he's top tier in looks department. Being a below average looking doctor will get you those same women when they're 30 years old and looking for a provider husband type. People use the word status to d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/24 05:18 PM |
| 1 | Debate : People dont understand that Money and status makes you GENUINELY more sexually attractive as a Man.Most women view most men as somewhat ugly in the face, that's why they swipe right only 5-10% of the time, and have invented the term "medium ugly" as a joke that they have to resort to dating ugly men because there's so few good looking men. Being low body fat does not mean you are attractive as a man, thats pure fantasy. Athletes can still be ugly, short or bald just like the rest of the population (height/physique will depend on sport played, weight class etc.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/24 04:58 PM |
| 5 | A scenario of our world where men suddenly have less or no libidosThat's a quite crazy lie that women don't wage war. https://qz.com/967895/throughout-history-women-rulers-were-more-likely-to-wage-war-than-men | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/23 11:43 AM |
| 3 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.Great. Any wife that does leaves her husband because he wants paternity certainty is lacking in empathy and is deficient in logical and rational thought. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 11:24 PM |
| 2 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.Give me a solution whereby millions of men aren't victims of paternity fraud, and no women get their feelings hurt. I'll wait. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 11:21 PM |
| 3 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.It's quite simple. There are 2 options Men as a collective paternity test and avoid millions of men naively raising another man's kids. In the process some hysterical women have their feelings hurt Or Men don't paternity test and we have millions upon millions of men victims of severe betrayal and serious crime. In the process no women get their feelings hurt. You don't get to pick the best of both worlds. Pick one. You're choosing option 2 where women's feelings are prioritised over men who are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 11:08 PM |
| 2 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.Ironically you're the one who doesn't care about people's feelings. Specifically the millions upon millions of men who are victims of a very serious betrayal and a very serious crime. You would rather see them victimised and abused for 18 years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 10:32 PM |
| 2 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.Agreed. If he's got nothing to hide he should be fine with the test. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 09:37 PM |
| 2 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.You would rather millions upon millions of men dedicate their time and money to raising kids that aren't even theirs, to save women's precious little feelings. How morally corrupt. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 09:36 PM |
| 2 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.You would rather millions upon millions of men dedicate their time and money to raising kids that aren't even theirs, to save women's precious little feelings. How morally corrupt. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 09:35 PM |
| 2 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.I'm quoting the women on here who say that women should leave their partner if they found out they had a paternity test. That could be finding out accidentally they see a letter through the post, accidentally open an email on their laptop etc. You can of course do whatever you want privately. But men are accused of being insecure, misogynist if they get private tests which deters them from doing so. I wonder if women keep that same energy for the millions of women who would utilise the cheating … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 09:32 PM |
| 1 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.I don't really understand what you're getting at here. If you're in a 3 year relationship is it really that big a difference if you get a cheating test that covered the full 3 years vs a test that only covered 9 months? You'd still be accusing your partner of cheating. You're being pedantic for the sake of it. This test could save millions of women from getting cheated on, abused or assaulted and to hear you try to shame them out of getting a test because it would show them to be "insecure" is q… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 09:26 PM |
| 1 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future."I mean what does it really matter if someone is cheating if everything is otherwise good?" Damn, you're sounding like Andrew Tate justifying his cheating. If we can't agree that cheating is bad then our frame of reference is just too far apart. This question obviously applies to people who don't want to get cheated on, abused, assaulted or raise another person's kid. If you don't mind these things then the topic isn't for you I guess. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 09:22 PM |
| 1 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.Your argument as to why it's bad to get a paternity test is it's not extensive enough in it's test for infidelity? That's a wild take. The reason sensible men get one is because it's the only time infidelity will cost them 18 years of time and money. Making it even more sensible to utilise a test. "If you want one get one", lovely of you to give men permission, but the millions upon millions of men who are currently raising other man's child naively thinking it's their own, would benefit massive… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 09:14 PM |
| 4 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.You know millions of people right now are getting cheated on, and they genuinely believe their partner isn't cheating and would never cheat? What is absolutely clear, humans are terrible at judging whether a partner is going to be loyal. As long as that's the case I wouldn't begrudge anyone getting a test. Funnily enough, I asked the question, I'd encourage women to use the test. If he's got nothing to hide, he shouldn't be bothered by the test. It will save millions of women getting cheated on … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 06:58 PM |
| 0 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.Because it's a hypothetical and I get to make the rules of my own hypothetical? Effectively the reason I'm restricting it to established couples is so we can greater match the scenario of a man getting a paternity test with his partner. Although we can't get a perfect equivalent, testing a complete stranger is not the same as testing an established partner. The reason women hate paternity tests is the idea of being accused of cheating and lying, "you should just trust me". Yet I'd bet millions o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 06:50 PM |
| -1 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.Well there's a practical element of taking an STD test every time either person leaves the house that would make the request bizarre. It also wouldn't show anything as its easy to cheat without catching an STI so completely pointless. If it was suggested a loyalty test that both partners took once a year for example, that wouldn't offensive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 06:45 PM |
| 2 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.I believe the women on here who say they wouldn't test their current partner. However, what I very much doubt, is they would keep the same energy for the women who use the test as they do for the men who insist on paternity tests. Men who want paternity test are labelled pathetic, insecure, misogynistic on here. What's clear is millions of women would use the test if offered to them. And I very much doubt the women on here would be telling them "you should trust your partner. He should break up … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 06:39 PM |
| -3 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.I said in the original post this test is for relationship couples, not for first dates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 06:32 PM |
| 2 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.The reason women are against paternity tests is because they feel they're being accused of infidelity and being a liar, and that their partner doesn't trust them . In this scenario, women would be "accusing" men of infidelity and being a liar, and not being trustworthy. Even worse than that, women would be "accusing" their partners of being abusers and assaulters, which presumably men should be offended by? There is no perfect "equivalency" because men can't defraud women into unknowingly raisin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 06:24 PM |
| 3 | Let's say there was a reliable test to see if your male partner had ever cheated or would ever cheat on you. Would you use it, and would you judge other women negatively for using it? Also included in the test is if they've ever abused a woman in the past, or will abuse you in the future.The reason women are against paternity tests is because they feel they're being accused of infidelity and being a liar, and that their partner doesn't trust them . In this scenario, women would be "accusing" men of infidelity and being a liar, and not being trustworthy. Even worse than that, women would be "accusing" their partners of being abusers and assaulters, which presumably men should be offended by? There is no perfect "equivalency" because men can't defraud women into unknowingly raisin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/23 06:22 PM |
| 2 | If you've ever called a man an incel, you can't really claim there's nothing wrong with being a male virginYou're voluntarily celibate. Women realistically can't be incels, they can get a sexual partner with incredible ease. Maybe incredibly rare exception for extreme deformity etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 06:48 PM |
| 2 | If you've ever called a man an incel, you can't really claim there's nothing wrong with being a male virginIt doesn't matter whether people describe themselves as incels or not. You don't get to decide if you're an incel. If someone is long term sexless through lack of options, they're an incel. They can live in denial if they choose, but they'd still be an incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 06:34 PM |
| 10 | If you've ever called a man an incel, you can't really claim there's nothing wrong with being a male virgin"Not even every involuntarily celibate person is an incel." Erm, do you know what what incel stands for? If someone is long term sexless due to lack of options, they're an incel whether they like it or not. "You can't be an incel if you live on a bit of land that legalised paying for sex" is an absolutely wild take from you also. Anyone could travel to another country to pay for sex also which would mean there's no such thing as an incel? For words to have any meaning we have to apply some commo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 01:33 PM |
| 19 | If you've ever called a man an incel, you can't really claim there's nothing wrong with being a male virginThe word incel can never change meaning, because it's a combination of 2 words that have very clear meaning. Involuntary celibate. Has the word "Involuntary" or "celibate" changed meaning recently? Because if not, incel hasn't changed. Incel simply describes sexually unsuccessful men. The fact women use it as their go-to insult shows the utter disdain they have for men who are virgins or inexperienced. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/23 01:27 PM |
| 1 | Men would have been more accountable had they actually been told the truthIt doesn't need extreme examples. Every day "players", men who are sleeping with dozens, hundreds of women are not able to do so because they're decent human beings. Looks and social status render being a decent person almost irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/23 03:27 PM |
| 19 | Men would have been more accountable had they actually been told the truthJust a small correction. 50% of the population can be broke, unambitious, have low self esteem and still have infinite dating options.. That describes most women on the planet who are never short of options. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/11/23 11:38 PM |
| 19 | Men would have been more accountable had they actually been told the truthBeing a decent human being is not a requirement to be hyper successful with women, unfortunately it's close to irrelevant.. See woman-beater Chris Brown, felon Jeremy Meeks etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/11/23 11:21 PM |
| 1 | Why do (some) men believe women cheating is “worse”?Oh look, another feminist who doesn't understand basic biology. Do you care to address any points in the post? Do you care to express any empathy for the millions of men walking the earth right now who are victims of paternity fraud? Well, I thought not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/23 10:55 AM |
| -1 | Why do (some) men believe women cheating is “worse”?If your man cheats you should leave him If your woman cheats you should leave her. So in that sense, the outcome of cheating should be the same so it's a bit pointless trying to grade which one is worse, they're both immoral. However if you're forced to consider which is worse, women cheating is probably worse for a couple of reasons. Firstly, there are millions of men walking earth right now who have unknowingly invested time and resources into children that aren't even theirs, as a result of w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/23 12:38 AM |
| – | Any Tinder experiments that prove blue pills or disprove red pills?You're missing the point. The point wasn't that most women crave the lowest of the low criminals. It was to prove that even the most immoral men have infinitely more dating options than the average man, providing they're good looking. It completely disproves the "women care more about personality" cliche. A man with 4/10 looks and a good personality can't even get a match, can't get a reply, he doesn't even get the chance to show his personality. Meanwhile the model is literally getting women se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/23 12:12 AM |
| – | When women complain about the "slut-stud double standard" are they actually complaining about women being called "sluts", not so much about men being called "studs"?Men are ashamed of the mate selection criteria that women find undesirable. In an alterative universe where women desire virgin men, short men, weak men - then all men would want to be virgins, short and weak. And non-virgin, tall, strong men would be the laughing stocks of society. Women make the rules of what men's attributes are high value and which are low value. "Small dick energy is about personality" doesn't make any sense. Imagine men started using "fat girl energy", "loose pussy energy"… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/23 09:33 PM |
| 1 | What are some problems men face that isn’t caused by women?I'm not talking about women. I'm talking about feminists. "You guys" is very silly, there's 4 billion men on earth. Being male is not an ideology. Feminism is, which is why I say feminists and not women. Feminism drives social and media narrative. Feminists have divided the world into privileged oppressors (men), and disadvantaged oppressed victims (women). How can a man come forward and claim to be a victim of a woman's actions under this framework? A patriarchal oppressor claiming to be a vict… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/23 05:18 PM |
| – | When women complain about the "slut-stud double standard" are they actually complaining about women being called "sluts", not so much about men being called "studs"?Also their go-to insult whenever they disagree with a man is to call him a "virgin", "incel" or suggest "you can't get laid", which tells you everything you need to know about how women feel about sexually unsuccessful men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/23 04:43 PM |
| – | When women complain about the "slut-stud double standard" are they actually complaining about women being called "sluts", not so much about men being called "studs"?Women's mate selection preferences dictate what traits are seen as desirable and what traits are seen as shameful. In an alternative universe where women desire virgin men who are short and have small genitals, those would be considered high value traits, and men wouldn't mock each other for them because it literally wouldn't make any sense. Men mock virgin men because women have determined them to be losers who are unworthy of being selected. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/23 04:41 PM |
| – | When women complain about the "slut-stud double standard" are they actually complaining about women being called "sluts", not so much about men being called "studs"?I've literally never heard a man complain "women won't date me because I've pulled so many women and they're grossed out by the fact all these women wanted me and they hate that I have all this sexual experience"... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/23 04:36 PM |
| 1 | What are some problems men face that isn’t caused by women?And yet it's feminists who claim a man is a privileged, patriarchal oppressor even if he has been assaulted by his female partner. It's feminists who don't want to use gender neutral language in any discussion around SA and always want to exclude male victims from the discourse. The UK have recently discussed a minister for men in parliament and the reaction of feminists has been to laugh in derision as "why would privileged oppressors need their own minister? What men's issues are there? They h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/23 04:22 PM |
| -1 | What are some problems men face that isn’t caused by women?You don't seem to realise the "oppressed vs oppressor", "privileged vs non-privileged" narrative has on this issue, which derives from feminism. In a world where men are the "patriarchy", are the "oppressors", are the "privileged" class, they cannot and will not be taken seriously as victims. Feminists don't want them taken seriously as victims as its directly at odds with their narrative. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/23 02:13 PM |
| 5 | What do men get for paying for the first date?No, all they have to do is accept dates with men they want to go on a date with, and decline dates with who they don't want to go on a date with. If men are crying about being rejected, let them cry. Of those that she accepts, doesn't necessarily mean she would have approached him herself, because she would never approach any man. Just because women think they're above initiating and expect men to take all the risk of approaching doesn't mean men should pay her for her time. What you seem to wan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/23 01:50 PM |
| 4 | What do men get for paying for the first date?Of course they don't. But if men stopped approaching women, that would be the end of the human species. If women want something, they try to attract attention and wait for a man to initiate. Just because women don't approach doesn't mean they don't want a partner. They clearly do want partners as evidenced by the amount of them who are in relationships with men or sleeping around with men. Man asks woman on a date because he wants something. Woman accepts the date because she wants something. If… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/23 12:31 PM |
| 4 | What do men get for paying for the first date?I can see some logic. However if they weren't looking for the opportunity, they should have declined the date, no? They presumably want to go on the date or they wouldn't have agreed. When you expect the other person to pay in this scenario you're basically saying "you have to pay for the privilege of me showing up", creating an escort-like scenario. Also, who's to say when someone is or isn't looking to be approached. In a nightlife setting in particular a lot of women are trying to attract att… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/23 11:43 AM |
| 4 | Guys who lie about their height vs women who lie about their weightWomen are not just comparing a man's height with their own height, they're comparing with other men's heights, and the heights of the other men in her inbox. The idea that 5ft 2 women are happy with 5ft 4 men because he's technically taller than them is clearly fantasy, that's a minority of women. She doesn't want to walk into a party with her boyfriend being the shortest man in the room. Even if she will date a short guy, she has average and above average height men in her DMs so she's no reaso… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/23 10:53 PM |
| 5 | Guys who lie about their height vs women who lie about their weightThis makes no sense. Every happy couple you know would have rejected their partner if they significantly shorter or fatter than they were than they met. If the happiest couple you know, the guy was 5ft 4 when they met, she never would have given him the time of day. Likewise if he was obese, or she was obese. Though it's true you shouldn't lie as you're wasting everyone's time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/23 10:46 PM |
| 1 | Let's swap the sexes in the debate over going out to nightclubs/bars alone if you're taken.Sweetie, you're getting a bit hysterical. Take some deep breaths, there's no need to get so typically emotional. You were mocking people with boundaries that dont align with your own, "what am I going to do, chain him up?" "not everyone lives in fear of someone of the opposite sex talking to their partner" which is why you got a response. For some reason you find it ridiculous for someone to not want their partner drunken partying every weekend with people who are actively sexually pursuing them… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/23 06:21 PM |
| 2 | Let's swap the sexes in the debate over going out to nightclubs/bars alone if you're taken.The whole point is the woman will have no idea what her formerly promiscuous boyfriend is doing when he's in the club drunk at 3am every weekend with his single male friends. "Figure it out", jeez I wonder why the millions of women crying about being cheated on didn't think of that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/23 06:17 PM |
| 1 | Let's swap the sexes in the debate over going out to nightclubs/bars alone if you're taken."Promiscuous women who go clubbing every weekend and hang around a bunch men who are sexually pursuing her are not the most loyal and committed partners" is not trash talk. But it will get you shamed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/23 02:27 PM |
| 2 | Let's swap the sexes in the debate over going out to nightclubs/bars alone if you're taken."Why do you feel the need to express your thoughts and opinions on dating and mate selection", she says while posting on a dating forum. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/23 01:30 PM |
| 2 | Let's swap the sexes in the debate over going out to nightclubs/bars alone if you're taken.They 100% do get shamed for expressing their boundaries publicly, and the reasons behind those boundaries. What are we saying, you can avoid certain types of people but you're not allowed to say it out loud, on a dating forum? If a man says he doesn't seriously date promiscuous women who go to clubs, hangs around men who are sexually pursuing her, has her ass and tits hanging out her outfits and posts her ass on social media - he will be shamed with "insecure", "incel", "small dick" and other su… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/23 12:41 PM |
| 1 | Let's swap the sexes in the debate over going out to nightclubs/bars alone if you're taken.Lucky you. Millions upon millions upon millions of women don't. Would you advise these single women to go for a man who will regularly go to clubs with his single friends, hang around women and female "friends" who are sexually interested in him, slept around a lot in the past, gets intoxicated at clubs and parties, goes on lads party holidays with his single friends? Or would you think going for this profile of man is probably a bad idea if they want a loyal and committed partner? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/23 12:15 PM |
| 1 | Let's swap the sexes in the debate over going out to nightclubs/bars alone if you're taken.It doesn’t "bother me" in the sense I'm certainly not losing sleep over women consistently making dumb decisions in their mate choice. I'm just simply advising anyone, men and women, it's incredibly stupid to pick a mate with a high risk profile of infidelity and failed relationships and then cry when you keep getting cheated on or dumped. It's also incredibly stupid to try shame men who prefer to avoid red flag women and high risk profile women, by labelling them "insecure". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/23 11:44 AM |
| 1 | Let's swap the sexes in the debate over going out to nightclubs/bars alone if you're taken.This is exactly the attitude as to why women are constantly crying online about men cheating on them, "men ain't sh*t", "fed up with these fuckboys" etc. They have no logical standards or boundaries. They see a guy who's sleeps around a lot in his "past", when he's in a relationship he still goes to clubs and parties with his single guy friends, gets intoxicated in sexually charged environments, has a load of female friends who are interested in him, goes on lads holidays to party with his singl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/23 09:40 AM |
| 5 | Making women feel safe around you is apparently the biggest factor in attraction?Chris Brown beats the shit out of women and is one of the most desired men in the world. He can send out a tweet of his location and have a mile-long queue of attractive women outside his hotel room within an hour. The idea that "safety" is what's separating the men who get laid vs those who aren't is laughable. Not coming across as a violent dangerous psycho is just a bare minimum requirement, which most men can manage without much problem. Men who get friend zoned by women are literally consid… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/23 10:55 PM |
| 1 | straight men uglify themselves a lot on the dating market, and should stopIf you put a 5ft 6 balding man with an ugly face in a nice outfit, women just see a creep in nice clothes. In fact they wouldn't even notice the clothes because an ugly man cannot make clothes look good. No shirt or haircut can save an unattractive man. If you put an attractive man in the worst possible clothes and hairstyle in the most extreme cases maybe that will stop him from getting the results he should. But the idea that the difference between a man who is attracting a lot of women and th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/23 05:27 PM |
| 3 | Playing hard to get worksLess attractive women can still get dozens of DMs a week if they so wish. Just not from top tier men. Less attractive women don't need to chase a mediocre man who's ignoring her, she'll just respond to the ones who are pursuing her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/23 02:49 PM |
| 6 | Playing hard to get worksI think one key point red pill men seem to never mention is playing hard to get only works after she's decided she wants you. "Just ignore her" doesn't work for a low status ugly man because women don't want his attention anyway, they'd love nothing more than him to stop messaging her. He's going to have to go out his way to try demonstrate his value in order to have a shot, which involves giving her attention and giving away his power in the dynamic as he'll be the one overtly pursuing her. If … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/23 12:54 PM |
| -2 | Women who insist that getting a paternity test is an accusation of paternity fraud are gaslightersIf the roles were reversed tomorrow and men now carried the child and women couldn't ensure the child was theirs. Would you think it was acceptable for men to shame women out of getting a test? There would be millions of cases of women being defrauded by men (the same way right now there are millions of cases of men being defrauded by women), and you'd still think it was acceptable to tell women "it's disrespectful to accuse your partner, you should just trust him". Feminists would 100% call it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/23 12:09 PM |
| 3 | Women who insist that getting a paternity test is an accusation of paternity fraud are gaslightersIf the roles were reversed tomorrow and men now carried the child and women couldn't ensure the child was theirs. Would you think it was acceptable for men to shame women out of getting a test? There would be millions of cases of women being defrauded by men (the same way right now there are millions of cases of men being defrauded by women), and you'd still think it was acceptable to tell women "it's disrespectful to accuse your partner, you should just trust him". Feminists would 100% call it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/23 12:03 PM |
| 1 | A lot of the behavioral differences of men and women can be explained by a simple evolutionary observationSize is correlated with success in combat and therefore a good trait to have for protection and survival, and a positive trait to pass on to offspring. It's also sexual dimorphism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/23 09:34 AM |
| 14 | A lot of the behavioral differences of men and women can be explained by a simple evolutionary observationOne key thing people ignore when they talk about "social programming" to explain behaviour, is that there must have been a time without this social programming whereby humans were acting on their biological instincts. Most of what people refer to as social constructs are just people observing the average differences in male and female behaviour and adapting those observations into our culture. I've made this point when it comes to men's attractive qualities. Being tall isn't high value because s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/23 08:58 PM |
| 5 | Discussion: Sarah Dawn Moore's all-female panel.It did | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/23 11:12 PM |
| 18 | Discussion: Sarah Dawn Moore's all-female panel.Yes, I'm sure the guys who are sleeping with dozens of women per year are doing so by signalling that they're good at caring for babies. Jeremy Meeks famously had thousands of women sending him money in prison because of his fathering skills. Do people on here actually hear themselves? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/23 01:25 PM |
| 7 | Far too many people believe that men not being able to acquire sex/relationships is a MORAL failing. This could not be further from the truth.No you're being deliberately obtuse. Obviously men want to have sex because of their biological urges. But the archetype of "desirable man" and "undesirable man" in society is dictated by women's mate selection preferences. If 2 men are equal One is tall, one is short - tall man gets selected One is strong, one is weak - strong man gets selected One is rich, one is broke - rich man gets selected One is sexually experienced and has other women chasing after him, one is a virgin - sexually experie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/22 06:06 PM |
| 13 | Far too many people believe that men not being able to acquire sex/relationships is a MORAL failing. This could not be further from the truth.Not really they don't shame fuckboys. If a guy is a fuckboy women are providing him with the fucks, it's hard to shame a man by rewarding him with unlimited sex and fulfilling his biological urges. In order to successfully make a man feel shame it has to be from negative consequences of his social and sexual reputation - the reason men feel ashamed to be short is because it lessens their attractiveness and desirability to women, the consequences are real. There are no "consequences" for being a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/22 10:31 AM |
| 16 | Far too many people believe that men not being able to acquire sex/relationships is a MORAL failing. This could not be further from the truth.Nice try but nope. Men are going to have biological instincts pushing them towards certain behaviours. From there, it's up to women to decide whether a man showing certain traits makes him attractive and desirable, or unattractive and undesirable. Just because men are trying to fulfil their biological desires of having sex doesn't mean having a lot of women has to be seen as high value in our society. It's only seen as desirable because women choose not to shame it, instead they choose to shame … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/22 11:46 PM |
| 1 | Personality matters. If you think it does not you don't have itIt's amazing anyone could be this wrong. Women discount a higher % of men based on their looks, compared to the other way round. Every study shows this, they're far more superficial in the sense it's far more common for them to reject a man because she finds him unattractive than vice versa. If you ask a 50th percentile man if he finds a 50th percentile woman attractive enough to go on a date with, he'll jump at the opportunity. If you ask the same question of a woman, a much larger % of them wi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/22 11:17 PM |
| 24 | Far too many people believe that men not being able to acquire sex/relationships is a MORAL failing. This could not be further from the truth.Women sexually reward men who are sexually experienced and have high desirability to other women. It's not difficult to connect the dots is it? A lot of men want to sleep around because it fulfils their biological imperative of passing on their genes. Men who are able to get a lot of women are seen as high value because women deem them high value. Their own mate selection patterns prove it. Women could easily shame promiscuous men, but they instead choose to shame sexually unsuccessful men. That… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/22 10:35 PM |
| 1 | Personality matters. If you think it does not you don't have itSo many women really don't get it. Let's give a very basic example. There's 10 men pursuing 1 woman. She thinks 7 of them are a combination of ugly, short, bald, scrawny. She thinks 3 of them are decent to good looking. Women on PPD will have you believe that she's going to select the man with the best personality. This is false. She's going to select the one with the best personality from the 3 she finds attractive. The personality of the first 7 guys is irrelevant. She is not going to sleep wi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/22 09:40 PM |
| 27 | Far too many people believe that men not being able to acquire sex/relationships is a MORAL failing. This could not be further from the truth.You're incredibly naive and frankly dishonest if you think women's mate selection preferences don't dictate what men are seen as desirable and which men are seen as losers. People have observed which men get selected over millions of years and those observations have been adapted into our culture, it's really that simple. Let's take another example. 2 men are equal except one is tall and one is short - women select the tall man the majority of the time. People notice this pattern and it becomes … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/22 09:25 PM |
| 43 | Far too many people believe that men not being able to acquire sex/relationships is a MORAL failing. This could not be further from the truth.You've picked 2 handsome men for a start. But even so, what is your advice here, "why don't you just become one of the most successful Hollywood actors of all time, bro?" Advice needs to actually be applicable to the every day man on the street. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/22 08:42 PM |
| 42 | Far too many people believe that men not being able to acquire sex/relationships is a MORAL failing. This could not be further from the truth.Patriarchal LOL. Women's preferences and mate selection patterns decide what men are seen as high value and which are seen as low value. Women select men who are desirable to other women and have sexual experience. Men have to conform to what women select for in order to be selected, so men want to be seen as highly desirable to lots of women and as having sexual experience. The fact that whenever a man disagrees with a woman she'll label him a virgin or incel tells you all you need to know. Wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/22 08:36 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: Is there anything you like about women?I'll explain why men don't want to be vulnerable. Because they want to maximise their appeal to women so they can fulfil their evolutionary goal of procreating. Most men in history didn't get to fulfil their evolutionary goal because women didn't select them. In order for men to fulfil their evolutionary desires they have to be more desirable than women's other options. If you go back a hundred years, a thousand years, or a million years - you have 2 men competing for the romantic attention of a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/22 11:49 PM |
| 6 | (Not complaining but) why are women so commonly all of a sudden sending nudes nowadays?Every decade of feminism has resulted in an increase of over-sexualisation in our culture. We're told that under patriarchy women's sexuality is repressed, and now we're told because of patriarchy women are pressured to be overly-sexual. It doesn't make any sense. Maybe, just maybe, women should take some responsibility for their own actions. Feminism has encouraged women to act without any class is one factor. The 2nd factor is sexual competition between women. Majority of women are competing f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/22 12:24 AM |
| 1 | Peak SMV agesSugar daddy-ing is just prostitution under a different name. Again you're using extreme hollywood examples.. I said in my original post, you're not Leonardo Di Caprio. You're not Johnny Depp. These are the best looking and the highest status men on the planet. That's a very different scenario compared to your average 40 year old balding unattractive man who just happens to earn 6 figures. Telling your average guy to just work on himself and try earn money because at 40 he'll suddenly be getting … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/22 03:10 PM |
| 0 | Peak SMV agesThe women who would have ignored the guy when they were both in their physical prime but now she's ready to settle for him. Exactly the sort of woman red pill men tell you to avoid. Overwhelming majority of young hot 20 year old women are not banging 40 year old dudes who earn 100+k. They're banging young hot guys in their social circle. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/22 11:54 PM |
| 1 | Not only are you a beta male simp pussy you're also a moron if your solution to paternity fraud is it has to be government mandated.Men who ask for tests to be mandated generally aren't afraid of telling their partners they want a paternity test. They're just aware that a lot of men are, and the mandated tests are for the benefit of those men. They're asking for tests to be mandated for the take of those men who don't arrange a test for various reasons. Some men are simply naive and don't understand the likelihood that their woman has cheated, some men are literally being beaten and abused, some men are being blackmailed and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/22 03:39 PM |
| 10 | Men in your 20s, how do you feel about older men competing with you in the sexual marketplace?The overwhelming majority of young hot women are not fucking 35+ year old men. They're banging guys who are around their own age or a few years older. The average marriage age gap is only 2 years.. Young attractive women want young attractive men. Not balding guys who look their dad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/22 12:10 AM |
| 1 | What evolutionary reasons would make a beautiful face more important than a strong body ?The importance of face is a weird one. Just speaking from a male perspective, there are some theories regarding why certain facial features are attractive/unattractive, mainly relating to health, dimorphism and fighting success. Recessed jaws can be associated with poor breathing, narrow palate with crowded teeth so poor bite, misaligned jaw associated with a poor bite. Prominent cheekbones, strong brow ridge, deep set eyes suggest eyes are more protected in a fight. Stronger angular jaw lines a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/22 02:05 AM |
| 1 | Study on what 1,000 women feel about muscular men in terms of attraction.The men who are so muscular that women are turned off by them are on copious amounts of steroids and have God-like genetics. The % that fall into that category is just so small. The average drug-free man does not have to worry about becoming too muscular. When women say they don't like too much muscle they're picturing those 300lb greased up fake tan bodybuilders on stage at Mr. Olympia, flexing so hard their eyes are about to pop out. Of course they've gone past the point of diminishing returns… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/22 11:52 PM |
| 1 | Study on what 1,000 women feel about muscular men in terms of attraction.I mostly agree but I think surveys can be looked at in certain circumstances. You have to be sceptical on survey results that signal there may have been virtue signalling involved, as women tend to not want to appear as "shallow", or non-virtuous. If the results of a survey make them appear more shallow, you can probably take the results at face value because why would they give false answers that make look less virtuous? A woman saying she likes lean, strong, muscular men over chubby guys or sk… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/22 11:45 PM |
| 4 | Two studies on mate choice hypothesis of female orgasm. Thoughts?about whether or not she cums. The second is not very attractive to her and doesn't care about whether or not she cums. Who should she choose? If you aren't very attractive then you can either do what you can to improve what you can, complain about it, or wash your hands clean of the whole thing altogether. That's it. I made my choice and I'm satisfied with the results in short-term and long-term situations and I would encourage everyone to do the same so you can at least say that you at least t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/22 11:25 PM |
| 7 | Two studies on mate choice hypothesis of female orgasm. Thoughts?Do you think the dudes who are banging a new girl every weekend are able to do so because they eat p*ssy and use toys for hours on end? Of course not, women don't know what a man is like in bed until they've agreed to have sex with him. The issue for most guys is getting a woman attracted to him in the first place, so being bad in bed is a non-issue for men who aren't getting laid in the first place. These are the guys that are complaining about their lack of romantic success. Not getting repeat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/22 10:58 PM |
| 1 | Looks are by FAR the biggest factor in attracting a girl.Nope. If you socialise more, and get more positive reinforcement, on average you will have better social skills and confidence. Good looking guys socialise more. Almost no one "works" on their personality, it just develops naturally as part of their life experience. Good looking men have a much more positive life experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/22 06:56 PM |
| 44 | Looks are by FAR the biggest factor in attracting a girl.The issue with this logic is average looking men don't have a monopoly on having a good personality. Good looking men have had everything gifted to them their whole life, all the social opportunity, all the positive reinforcement, all the easy sexual encounters - this means on average good looking men have above average social skills, above average confidence, above average social status, above average pre-selection, above average sexual experience. So women are not choosing between an average l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/22 10:48 PM |
| 1 | Do women value a guy’s status or overall looks more?The issue is really with status is unless it's an extreme example (celebrity), the status a man has isn't necessarily going to be immediately obvious and significant. We often talk about income/career as a form of status on here, there's very little use an ugly man having a good job as a status symbol because no women know what his job is and they reject him before they even find out. He can go around trying to slip into conversations that he has a successful career but it's not going to be gett… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/22 01:08 AM |
| 11 | Are women really more shallow than men, or do they just get called out more for it?Women are more discriminatory when it comes to looks. That's undeniable, a woman is a far more likely to reject a man within seconds of meeting him based on his looks than the other way round. So yes, women are more shallow. However, there's nothing wrong with that. It's nature. People who get mad at women's preferences may as well be getting mad at the lion for eating the antelope. Nature isn't fair, it's not the lion's fault and it's not women's fault. Women are biologically programmed to dism… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/22 12:55 AM |
| 3 | When is explicit(verbal) consent ever given by women for initial intimacy(touching and kissing). Is this practiced in reality?It's the elephant in the room than feminists don't want to talk about. The overwhelming majority of women don't actually want men who explicitly ask for verbal consent to physically escalate. Women generally want plausible deniability in their sexual interactions, they don't want to be made to feel like they've made a conscious and logical decision to grant sexual access. If her friends ask her what happened on her date last night, she wants to be able to say "it just happened, I don't know how … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/22 12:52 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Am I supposed to assume every nice thing a guy does for me is to get in my pants? It feels wrongThis reminds me of an episode of Friends when Mark is doing Rachel favours in helping her get a job etc. and Ross tells her he's after sex but Rachel insists he's just being nice. Ross and Joey have a good laugh at the idea Mark is just a "nice guy". Of course Mark tries to smash as soon as her relationship with Ross is on the rocks. Anyway, it depends how big the favour is and whether it's out of the ordinary. Does he treat everyone else the same or is it just you? Honestly, men need to be trai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/22 12:10 AM |
| 2 | Q4W: Do you feel like overabundance causes you to reject good options?Shouldn't be... But most women are repulsed by short men, so that's just reality. Nature isn't fair. Being over 30 isn't bad I'm not sure what the red pill guys are on, women still have infinite dating options after 30, from guys who are also in their 30s/40s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/22 11:59 PM |
| 1 | Parental DNA test for all newly born childrenAgain, if this was the other way round, feminists would not accept "just sort out the test yourself". Their main reasoning would be it would open women up to deception, false accusations, threats of violence, abuse and gaslighting. Feminists wouldn't accept "well she should just do a test in secret and keep it hidden as best she can from her abusive boyfriend". It just wouldn't happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/22 12:52 AM |
| 1 | Parental DNA test for all newly born childrenAgain, if this was the other way round, feminists would not accept "just sort out the test yourself". Their main reasoning would be it would open women up to deception, false accusations, threats of violence, abuse and gaslighting. Feminists wouldn't accept "well she should just do a test in secret and keep it hidden as best she can from her abusive boyfriend". It just wouldn't happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/22 12:51 AM |
| 1 | Parental DNA test for all newly born childrenAgain, if this was the other way round, feminists would not accept "just sort out the test yourself". Their main reasoning would be it would open women up to deception, false accusations, threats of violence, abuse and gaslighting. Feminists wouldn't accept "well she should just do a test in secret and keep it hidden as best she can from her abusive boyfriend". It just wouldn't happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/22 12:50 AM |
| 1 | Parental DNA test for all newly born childrenAgain, if this was the other way round, feminists would not accept "just sort out the test yourself". Their main reasoning would be it would open women up to deception, false accusations, threats of violence, abuse and gaslighting. Feminists wouldn't accept "well she should just do a test in secret and keep it hidden as best she can from her abusive boyfriend". It just wouldn't happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/22 12:49 AM |
| 1 | Parental DNA test for all newly born childrenPaternity fraud. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/22 12:43 AM |
| 0 | Parental DNA test for all newly born childrenNot sure where you live but in the UK abortion is legal up to 6 months. The reason there's some opposition to abortion is it's taking a human life. There's no equivalent in males so it's not an equality issue, it's not like men are allowed to kill the unborn but women aren't - it's a moral issue. Taking a paternity test isn't killing anyone or anything, there's no moral reason to oppose it. If the roles were reversed I would want mandatory tests to prevent women being the victims of fraud. Leavi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/22 07:59 PM |
| 2 | Parental DNA test for all newly born childrenI want you to imagine the roles were flipped tomorrow. Suddenly men were the ones with paternity certainty and women had no idea if the child was their own. Now a certain percentage of men are committing fraud left right and centre, in the UK alone 10s of thousands of women every year are being tricked into raising children that aren't theirs. When women want to take a self-bought test to prove they're the mother, the men are saying "what do you mean, you don't trust me?", "how dare you accuse m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/22 07:35 PM |
| 11 | Parental DNA test for all newly born childrenWhat has that got to do with anything? I didn't ask if you wanted kids. If women were the victims of this fraud then feminists would demand compulsory tests, and they'd succeed in getting it implemented. They wouldn't accept "just go sort out a test yourself" because it opens them up for deception, gaslighting, false accusations, abuse, violence. This has nothing to do with your individual circumstances. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/22 07:28 PM |
| 4 | Parental DNA test for all newly born childrenSo your solution for decreasing the number of single mothers is enable and encourage them to defraud men into thinking the child is theirs. Practical though it might be, on the moral scale it's not the best.. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/22 07:23 PM |
| 11 | Parental DNA test for all newly born childrenDo you tell that to the women who are victims of domestic abuse at the hands of their boyfriends? "Shame he's beat you up again. Guess you chose the wrong partner, silly you ey?" People are deceptive, sometimes they come across as loyal and yet they cheat. Sometimes they are loyal but their partner is just naturally paranoid, possibly because they've been cheated on in their past. Having enough awareness that it's best to take a test to be safe doesn't mean they have chosen the wrong partner, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/22 07:19 PM |
| 7 | Parental DNA test for all newly born childrenThe funny thing is it's mainly leftists who are against mandatory paternity tests. When has a leftist ever worried who's paying for anything? Paternity tests is literally the only time they're ever concerned about where the money will come from. In the UK it would be paid through taxes the same way all associated hospital bills are. It's a small price to pay to prevent 10s of thousands of instances of very serious crime every year. If 10s of thousands of women were victims of very serious crime … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/22 07:10 PM |
| 49 | Parental DNA test for all newly born childrenI want you to imagine the roles were flipped tomorrow. Suddenly men were the ones with paternity certainty and women had no idea if the child was their own. Now a certain percentage of men are committing fraud left right and centre, in the UK alone 10s of thousands of women every year are being tricked into raising children that aren't theirs. When women want to take a self-bought test to prove they're the mother, the men are saying "what do you mean, you don't trust me?", "how dare you accuse m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/22 06:52 PM |
| 2 | How a n count is even calculated? Would you date a woman with very little experience but a very high sex drive?Correct. Partly because women have maternity certainty, they know their baby is their own whereas men don't. Women are more attracted to sexually successful men, that's their own problem. Don't complain that "men get away with sleeping around, it's not fair", when women's own mate selection preferences have made it this way. They could easily shame promiscuous men in the same way they shame short men, bald men, virgin men, broke men, weak men etc. but they choose not to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/22 10:31 PM |
| 1 | How a n count is even calculated? Would you date a woman with very little experience but a very high sex drive?Of course there are. However, far more people are shaming virgin men than virgin women. And far more people are shaming promiscuous women than promiscuous men. This is down to mate selection preferences of men/women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/22 10:25 PM |
| 2 | How a n count is even calculated? Would you date a woman with very little experience but a very high sex drive?This is not the reason. Men don't like promiscuous women because from an evolutionary perspective there's no paternity certainty for the man, he can end up raising another man's child. Promiscuous women also have more STI's, higher divorce rates, lower relationship satisfaction, higher rates of infidelity (and therefore higher rates of paternity fraud), higher rates of mental illness and higher rates of personality disorders. High n count men are seen positively because women are attracted to me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/22 04:50 PM |
| 5 | Q4Men: what is a high value man?This is a dating sub no? If women are choosing to throw themselves at certain % of men they are high value in the context of this discussion | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/22 12:24 PM |
| 7 | Q4Men: what is a high value man?Those things don't even crack the top 10 traits that would make a man sexually successful. Jeremy Meeks didn't have to display a loving and kind personality to have thousands of women sending him love letters and money. He was high value from a single mugshot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/22 12:09 AM |
| 2 | Q4Men: what is a high value man?High value man isn't a matter of opinion really - it's the traits that increase a man's attractiveness to women. 'Women' meaning the majority of women, obviously we can't account for 3 billion women's individual preferences, but we have to go with consensus. Traits that women find attractive - Above average height, good looking face, full head of hair - Broad shoulders, above average muscle mass, low body fat - Wealthy, career successful - High social status (could be popularity, connections, pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/22 12:07 AM |
| 27 | The reason why so many men only look for sex is because women, generally, don't know how to be appealing in other ways.Part of the reason so many men want just sex is their biology, if men can spread their seed without commitment that is an evolutionary cheat code. In order for men to seek out relationships they need to be incentivised to do so - i.e. a population of loyal non-promiscuous women who will only have sex in the confines of a committed relationship. As soon as certain percentage of women are handing out easy casual sex then it provides men an opportunity to circumvent traditional relationships. It's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/22 05:09 PM |
| 1 | The myth of women throwing themselves at tall, rich, ripped "Chads"Also agree regarding wealth being overrated. Young hot prime women are banging hot guys around their own age or few years older, so most of these guys are students or just starting out their careers. Hot 20 year old women are not chasing after rich 40 year old men. Women attracted to wealth are generally older looking for a "provider". This is the exact scenario men want to avoid, the betabux. Also debatable if it should even be considered attraction. There's physical attraction (primarily looks… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/22 01:12 PM |
| 1 | The myth of women throwing themselves at tall, rich, ripped "Chads""Show something personality wise" is probably not as difficult as you think really, he just needs to be a normal guy. The game you need to get laid as a good looking guy is what I call "just don't fuck it up" game. When a woman is very physically attracted to a guy he just needs to not come across a complete weirdo. He's already 80% of the way there before he even opens his mouth. If you go onto a typical office floor of 100s of guys, almost all of them are capable of getting laid if they were g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/22 12:59 PM |
| 12 | The myth of women throwing themselves at tall, rich, ripped "Chads"Correct. If "Chad" has women throwing themselves at him his whole life, it's almost impossible for him not to have developed a confident outgoing personality. Also worth noting the halo effect means his personality is judged more favourably just for being good looking. A bad or mediocre joke told by chad will be the funniest joke a woman has ever heard as she giggles uncontrollably trying to win his attention. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/22 01:05 AM |
| 2 | The myth of women throwing themselves at tall, rich, ripped "Chads"I like how you've talked about "attractive face" as if that's completely unrelated to the chad label? Chad is good looking in the face, that's just a given... I cringe at the word chad but we'll go with it. The best looking chads would be good looking facially, tall, and ripped. Some chads are just average height but with very good looking face and don't lift weights. Some chads are tall and good looking in the face and don't lift weights. You don't need all 3 to have women throw themselves at y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/22 01:01 AM |
| 5 | Does TRP take into account all of the ways that women describe other women’s behavior, in particular FDS or are all women just one homogenous type?Well whatever the reason, the overwhelming majority of young attractive women are not trying to get a piece of 40 year old men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/22 11:53 AM |
| 6 | Does TRP take into account all of the ways that women describe other women’s behavior, in particular FDS or are all women just one homogenous type?Anecdotes have their place if that's genuinely your widespread observable reality. If I have 10 female friends and 9 really want tall guys and 1 doesn't care about height - the anecdotes I should be focusing on is the majority as those are the ones that are suggesting a behavioural trend. The anecdote about the minority case isn't of much use. Red pill men who think young hot women are clamouring after 40 year old blokes are deluded. Women are generally banging hot guys around their own age or a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/22 11:00 AM |
| 20 | Does TRP take into account all of the ways that women describe other women’s behavior, in particular FDS or are all women just one homogenous type?I don't agree that all women are the same. It's a question of whether a high enough % of people are displaying a behaviour that makes it statistically significance. For example if 95% of women have a preference for men of above average height, I think that's a human behavioural trend that is worth taking note of. See, when women come on here and generalise about men and say "men have low standards for casual sex and will f*ck anything". Men on here could come back with an anecdote and say "actua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/22 12:30 AM |
| 2 | What do you think of young women sexualizing themselves on social media?None of these things have anything to do with women choosing to sell their body on onlyfans for money and validation. Men like looking at sexy women and women have chosen to exploit that fact, feminists just never hold women accountable for anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/22 11:28 PM |
| 2 | What do you think of young women sexualizing themselves on social media?Women sexualising themselves is a result of women's freedom. They may be choosing to do so because men like looking at sexy women, but they have made their choice to try benefit themselves by taking advantage of men's preferences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/22 06:04 PM |
| 2 | What do you think of young women sexualizing themselves on social media?Society was "male dominated" back when women weren't sexualising themselves. So the excuse of a society being male dominated results in women sexualising themselves doesn't hold any water. Feminists didn't like that women's sexuality was being repressed so they encouraged and supported women trying to get ahead by sexualising themselves. It's really that simple. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/22 05:59 PM |
| 2 | What do you think of young women sexualizing themselves on social media?Women make up the majority of the marketing workforce. There would be no sexual content if women didn't provide sexual content. Women are not having guns held to their head by the patriarchy - "go out on that stage and twerk your ass off so we get more sales". If women didn't want to sexualise themselves then they just wouldn't. Film TV and advertising were infinitely LESS sexualised pre-feminism. The height of sexualistion was reached as feminists gained more and more power. The majority of adv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/22 05:47 PM |
| 2 | What do you think of young women sexualizing themselves on social media?If women weren't sexualising themselves then there would be no sexual content for young girls to grow up watching. Men are truly incredible that they can brainwash women into sexualising themselves whilst simultaneously oppressing and shaming women's sexuality. Amazing logic. Society does progress very quickly. Women had some modesty 60 years ago but since the introduction of feminism loads of them are walking round with their ass cheeks hanging out, calling it empowerment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/22 05:12 PM |
| 3 | What do you think of young women sexualizing themselves on social media?Oh here we go. I thought it was men who were shaming and oppressing women's sexuality? But at the same time they're the ones brainwashing women to go on stage and twerk for a bunch of kids? All the while shaming them for it.. Isn't it funny that as society becomes more equal each passing decade, women sexualise themselves more and more. Why, after 50 years of feminism, are women sexualising themselves infinitely more than they were at the start? Unless you're telling me society is more "patriarc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/22 04:28 PM |
| 2 | What do you think of young women sexualizing themselves on social media?What I can't stand is feminists pushing the narrative that the "patriarchy" is brainwashing women into sexualising themselves whilst at the same time the "patriarchy" is shaming women who sexualise themselves. It makes zero sense no matter how much mental gymnastics they use. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/22 04:24 PM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]You need to be in a certain bracket genetically to have a chance of making it to the top 20%. This idea that average or below average guys aren't in the top 20% because they're fat is nonsense. You need a decent foundation to work with. If you walk into a nightclub this weekend there will be no fat guys there, the guys will all be dressed very similar and have the same fuckboy haircut. However a small % of the men in there will be getting the majority of the physical attraction - the guys with g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/22 02:34 PM |
| 4 | The pill debate and their theories are ridiculousPeople who are not aware of the pills will probably be aware of quite a lot of concepts such as - Women are attracted to high status, hence why celebrities get endless amount of groupies - A guy being good looking will get him sex handed to him on a plate - Women tend to find short, ugly men unattractive and he'll therefore struggle in dating - Men want to f*** anything and everything - women are very selective and are attracted to a small % of the population in comparison to men. - Men generall… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/22 10:56 PM |
| 1 | [Q4All] How do you define success in dating and what percentage of people do you think are “successful”?I'm not calling several decades of loneliness and depression a success story. Not a chance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/22 06:01 PM |
| 2 | [Q4All] How do you define success in dating and what percentage of people do you think are “successful”?What if they're happy right now but for the previous years/decades they've been miserable? If a man meets the love of his life at 55 after he's getting brutally rejected his whole life up till then, I'm not putting that man down as a success story. Even if he's happy in his old age, he's wasted his best years being unsuccessful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/22 10:00 PM |
| 1 | [Q4All] How do you define success in dating and what percentage of people do you think are “successful”?For men, I think being successful is being able to get dates/sex/relationships within a reasonable time frame when he wants to. If a guy is going on long dry spells of several months/years then he's obviously not going to qualify as a success story even if he eventually gets married at some point in later life. What I'm getting at is a guy losing his virginity at 20, then going on a 8 year dry spell and then getting a girlfriend who isn't very physically attracted to him is not a success. Women … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/22 09:57 PM |
| 2 | Men are not intimidated by intelligent women, this is simply not where our priorities areThis is another chicken vs egg scenario. Women's preferences in mates generally comes first and men are simply reacting to that. Men know women generally don't want men significantly less intelligent than them. So of course a lot of them feel inadequate around women who are intelligent as they know there's a higher chance of rejection, higher chance of being judged negatively, higher chance of leaving a relationship to upgrade etc. So why would men go chasing after very intelligent women? Same t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/22 04:37 PM |
| 0 | Why do women intentionally sexualise themselves at the gym? Do the men feel uncomfortable as a result?Oi, don't get in the way of someone forming their views based on feelings even if their views make no sense! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/22 11:52 AM |
| 2 | Q4W: How important is a guy's face to you?Again. Let me pick a guy I think could be a male model and a guy I think is ugly and poll 1000 women to see who they consider better looking. We will struggle to find 1 woman who votes for the ugly guy as more attractive. And even if we found 1 or 2 or 5, I think it still demonstrates my point quite nicely. Just because there's a little bit of variance in people's types doesn't mean there's no such thing as good looking. "I like attractive guys with beards and my friend likes attractive guys wit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/22 11:49 AM |
| 1 | Q4W: How important is a guy's face to you?Sweetie, if I pick an ugly man off a busy high street and poll 1000 women to rate him, you will struggle to find 1 that thinks he's good looking. So much for "personal preference". It might not be the exact same 10%, but I'll tell you who's not included in the 10% of either of your right swipes, the low-tier men that are universally considered unattractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/22 11:44 AM |
| 1 | Do men really want a girl that "fucks like a porn star" or is that just projection from women?It's projection. Unlike women, men tend to take responsibility for their own sexual experience. They don't need a woman to do anything special, they just want a woman who shows a little bit of enthusiasm. A woman doesn't need to have taken 20 different dicks to show a little enthusiasm to her partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/22 08:59 PM |
| 3 | Q4W: How important is a guy's face to you?I find it hard to believe honestly except in a very very rare instances. The idea that the internet is full of borderline male models moaning about how women think they're ugly is just one I can't buy. These guys are out getting laid, not crying on reddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/22 06:54 PM |
| 2 | Q4W: How important is a guy's face to you?I'm just thinking that women reject over 90% of men on tinder just by looking at their face. Now, I know they're not as dismissive in person as they are online, but this idea that they're going to get out in the real world and suddenly not really care about looks is absurd. Are women rejecting 90% of men online for having unattractive faces but in real life they're willing to date anyone who has a decent personality? It doesn't sound right to me. If women have a high minimum looks threshold onli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/22 06:48 PM |
| 2 | Why do women intentionally sexualise themselves at the gym? Do the men feel uncomfortable as a result?Ah, the old patriarchy chestnut. The patriarchy that simultaneously brainwashes women that they need to dress promiscuously, but at the same times shames their promiscuity. Makes loads of sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/22 06:43 PM |
| 3 | Q4W: How important is a guy's face to you?I'm not shocked in the least. People not dating someone when they don't like their face is just common sense to most people. But on PPD women seem to insist that could never be a reason for a man's lack of dating success and he needs to get a new hobby instead. Or that you can make up with a lack of physical attraction by having a personality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/22 06:30 PM |
| 2 | Q4W: How important is a guy's face to you?Fair enough, that's definitely way higher than most women I'd guess. I started a thread a while back asking the same question to all women, what % of men meet your minimum looks threshold. Mods closed it because they said I was trying to "catch them out", whatever that means. I think they assumed too many women would say only 10% or 30% or 50% of men meet the minimum for example and they didn't want any evidence that low-tier genetic men are looking for a unicorn when it comes to trying to find … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/22 06:27 PM |
| 13 | Q4W: How important is a guy's face to you?I think people obsess over height because it's easily quantifiable. In reality face is far more important but because there's an element of subjectivity in rating a face then people don't talk about it, and it's also considered a bit rude. For example "I don't date guys under 6ft" is now considered a normal thing to hear but "I don't date guys with a facial rating below a 7" you'll never hear, when in reality it's also true. Women dismiss over 90% of guys profiles on tinder for example based pur… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/22 06:10 PM |
| 2 | Q4W: How important is a guy's face to you?although it's not that high and knowing someone better generally makes their face look better. If I say someone looks good I'm usually referring to their face primarily. From Northern Ireland, living in England. What percentage of men around your age meet your minimum looks threshold out of interest? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/22 05:58 PM |
| 2 | Q4W: How important is a guy's face to you?Damn, some cold hard truths being released on here for once. Women's honesty is turning this into a bl*ck pill reddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/22 05:55 PM |
| 3 | It is NOT INSECURITY to want to be the best sex your partner has ever had. Period.Muscle will likely increase his wife's physical attraction and therefore sexual pleasure. Again, is the wife going to orgasm with the Elephant man on top of her, giving his best effort? I didn't say his stamina his poor, I said his stamina may not be as good as her previous boyfriends, and that could easily be the case even if he's in very good shape. A woman most likely won't wait 5-10 years for a man to start performing in the bedroom, when he's nowhere near the level of her previous boyfriend… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/22 11:46 PM |
| 2 | It is NOT INSECURITY to want to be the best sex your partner has ever had. Period.More muscular and better cardio is a choice. A man can go to the gym. No. Not all men are created equal. A man can't just go to the gym and be guaranteed to be as muscular and as fit as her last boyfriends - it's dependent on genetics. I didn't say anything about one night stands. One man might have a constant stream of fuck buddies which replicates the frequency of relationship sex, and exposes him to many different women. Or he may have had 8 girlfriends with basically no gaps in between. And … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/22 07:04 PM |
| 9 | It is NOT INSECURITY to want to be the best sex your partner has ever had. Period.There's diminishing returns when it comes to length of relationship though. Realistically, what is a woman's husband learning after 5 years that her previous boyfriend didn't know after 2 years? The difference becomes negligible with each year that passes. And then add in that her previous boyfriend was potentially better looking, broader frame, more muscular, taller, had a bigger dick, better cardio, more sexual experience with many different women. In that scenario it's very easy to see how he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/22 06:43 PM |
| 12 | It is NOT INSECURITY to want to be the best sex your partner has ever had. Period.This is a silly argument. Ugly men don't have a monopoly on effort, foreplay, or lasting a long time. Whereas good looking men do have a monopoly on genuine physical attraction. Good looking men are just as likely to put in the effort, foreplay etc. and they have the added bonus that the woman will actually be physically attracted to them. And because women have handed sex on a plate to the good looking men their whole life, they're likely to be better at any technical aspects of sex compared to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/22 06:12 PM |
| 1 | Men complain about being unattractiveI didn't say they put the same effort in as women, I said a lot of them do put effort in. They also tend to put effort in different ways e.g. lifting weights. The main difference is the time women spend on make up. Again, most women will be turned off by a man doing his make up in the mirror beside them, so women only have themselves to blame as to why men don't feel comfortable wearing it. And again, men realistically cannot go from 3/10 to 8/10 with make up like you see in these transformation… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/22 10:43 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Humans are a harem style species where one superior male hoards multiple females.Good looking male celebrities can have harems if they so choose. After every concert Chris Brown (woman beater let's not forget) plays, he can take a dozen groupies back to his hotel room. Pick a couple of his favourites to have a threesome or foursome with and rinse and repeat. However, today's celebrity social status is very artificial and extreme, maybe not very applicable when analysing our evolutionary mating patterns. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/22 10:59 PM |
| 0 | Men complain about being unattractiveThis has been done to death. So many men do put effort into appearance - majority of people with gym membership are men, men are shaping their beards, getting a fade "fuckboy" haircut etc. The main issue is most of what makes a man attractive is primarily out of their control - height, facial structure, balding genetics, body frame, muscle building genetics, complexion, ethnicity etc. Women are biologically programmed to find low tier men unattractive - they're not going to be attracted to a sho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/22 09:57 PM |
| 1 | Slutshaming a man is impossible because women virginshame so muchI'm not sure I understand. What makes you think men don't care about maximising their chances or have no shame? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/22 09:16 PM |
| 3 | How do most people just not have to self improve to not get a date?Musculature is not facial bones development. You didn't mention mewing in your original post, you were talking about exercise. It's totally believable that only breathing through your mouth for the first 18 years of your life will affect your facial development. It's definitely not inconceivable you'll get a boost of facial attractiveness from being more active in childhood, but it's worth seeing some evidence. There's plenty of athletes with recession jaws and recessed maxilla for example so it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/22 08:36 PM |
| 2 | Slutshaming a man is impossible because women virginshame so muchThe whole point is men would never think virgins were losers if women loved virgins. Men's views on what are desirable/undesirable traits in men are based on women's sexual preferences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/22 08:31 PM |
| 2 | Slutshaming a man is impossible because women virginshame so muchMen primarily care about women's opinions. Their whole evolutionary success is reliant on meeting women's standards, so they'd be stupid not to care. If you look at what men feel ashamed of, it correlates perfectly with what women find unattractive. Being short, being weak, being broke, being bald, living at home with parents, being sexually inexperienced/unsuccessful etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/22 08:28 PM |
| 5 | How do most people just not have to self improve to not get a date? Do you have any scientific evidence that playing sports results in developing good looking facial features? Sounds like bro-science. Facial development is mostly genetic. If your parents have long recessed midfaces, weak short recessed jaws, bug eyes, big nose, dobby ears - you're just deluded if you think doing exercise as a kid is going to make you a "chad". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/22 02:56 PM |
| 13 | women on reddit: wOMEN do noT tHINK 80% OF Men ARe uNATtRACTIve, tHAt'S a myTh PeRpetuatEd By INceLs ON REddit". also women on reddit:The irony here is the guys who are actually fucking women before they even date them are the top 20%. You've concluded that the 80% of men who aren't able to get casual sex are unattractive because they want casual sex. But the 20% that are attractive are having all the casual sex and they're pumping and dumping women left right and centre. How does this make sense? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/22 11:14 PM |
| 28 | women on reddit: wOMEN do noT tHINK 80% OF Men ARe uNATtRACTIve, tHAt'S a myTh PeRpetuatEd By INceLs ON REddit". also women on reddit:Jeremy Meeks disagrees. Why were thousands of women sending Jeremy Meeks money and their underwear while he was in prison, when all they knew about him was the photo they seen online? Women do experience sexual attraction through looking at men. However, the % of men good looking enough to ignite that attraction is very small. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/22 11:09 PM |
| – | If this guy can find a wife, why can’t you? Or is it that you don’t find women like her attractive enough? I personally think she is cute, but I feel like a lot of guys here who complain about girls not liking them just have unrealistic standardsIs your advice really "just find a woman who has a dwarfism fetish"? The point isn't that there's zero women on the planet willing to date an unattractive man. The key considerations are The number of physically unattractive men exceeds the number of women who are willing to sleep with unattractive men. That means there will always be a surplus of unattractive men without a partner. For an unattractive man, the journey to finding that 1 woman who who will date him is a long long road full of rej… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/22 02:36 PM |
| 2 | Q4W: What type of porn do you watch?Damn. Even porn doesn't have enough chads for modern women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/22 02:10 AM |
| 5 | If you could rid the world of the qualities in men that turn them into incels, would you?I'm not saying that, feminists are. The reason men who pump and dump are labelled misogynists is because they're presumably treating women as disposable, view women as only good for sex and then you move on to the next one, only good for a couple of bangs before you ghost them, and potentially using deceit in regards to their intentions in order to get women into bed. Does this profile of man strike you as someone who respects women? Do you think the college football player who is telling the gu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/22 01:39 AM |
| 9 | If you could rid the world of the qualities in men that turn them into incels, would you?The hilarious thing is women actually suggesting that the men who are very sexually successful with women are able to do so because they're respectful of women. Do you honestly think your typical guy who has slept with 100+ women is not misogynistic? These guys who are able to sleep with a new woman every weekend through whatever means - nightclubs, tinder, Instagram, social circle are able to do so because they're high in empathy? Do me a favour. Surely these guys are pumping and dumping all th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/22 12:51 AM |
| 1 | Should parents encourage their young sons to get involved in an activity that will impress women enough to have sex with them when they get older?Of course the hobby matters. Joining the chess club, or playing the chello is not going to significantly increase your chances of attracting women. In a lot of cases it's going to get you labelled as a low status nerd by women and could even turn them off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/22 12:39 AM |
| 2 | Should parents encourage their young sons to get involved in an activity that will impress women enough to have sex with them when they get older?Sex is what separates friendships from relationships. If a man can't get sex, he can't get a relationship. If you told parents that their son will never have any romantic success his whole life, would they care? They'd probably feel quite sorry for their son knowing he's going to live a quite miserable life in all likelihood. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/22 12:33 AM |
| 1 | Why are ugly dudes so mad about being ugly?This is a classic halo vs horns effect in action. Because a man is ugly you assume he is unwashed and rude... What if he was just born with unattractive facial features? What if he was born significantly below average height? What if he has genetically poor complexion? What if he's genetically prone to balding? The fact you assume if a man is unattractive that he therefore doesn't shower is probably exactly why these men are so depressed. These poor bastards don't even get treated like humans, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/22 12:23 AM |
| 10 | Do women not realize that they are the ones who are choosing to sleep with the men that are not good to them?Oh damn. Checkmate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/22 07:35 PM |
| 2 | Why are men okay with their young sons being sexual but not the other way around?It's an evolutionary thing. The price women pay for sex is much greater, if the daughter is just letting any guy pump and dump she can be left carrying a baby for 9 months and left to raise the baby on her own. Obviously her father wants to protect her from this scenario. That's the very obvious reason men want their daughters to wait till they're a suitable age and only have sex within the confides of a committed long term relationship where the man will stick around. Those consequences for boy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/22 05:29 PM |
| 8 | Peak SMV agesThe red pill guys try to convince everyone men peak in their 30s and 40s... Do me a favour. There seems to be some confusion when it's said that women like men to be older than them.. The average age gap for marriage is like 2-3 years... Women tend to like a guy who's a few years older than them at most, preferably around her own age and at a similar stage of life as she is. For example, a girl who's just started university at 18 is going to be banging college guys who are 18-23. She is NOT seek… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/21 11:33 PM |
| – | Q4W What do you think about promiscuous “slutty” women?The actions of promiscuous women have an effect on everyone. A lot of women want men to take them on numerous dates and get to know them before getting physical, and claim they're struggling to find men willing to do that. Why? Because men don't need to do that any more. There's enough women giving away quick and easy sex that men know they no longer have to put time and effort into dating and relationships to get sexual access. They just need to identify the women that are giving away quick and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/21 07:33 PM |
| 1 | Could many problems in contemporary dating stem from men failing to grasp how power dynamics have changed between the sexes?You're the one (purposely) misinterpreting. Some women rule out 5% of men, some rule out 20%, some rule out 80%, and everything in between. The idea that the women who (for example) rule out 80% of men wouldn't need to bother mentioning looks is just absurd. I notice you didn't address my point over your "hive mind" hypocrisy. It's not about "pussy". If a man gets gifted endless amounts of sex, it also means he's gifted endless amounts of dates, endless amounts of non-sexual romantic encounters,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/21 01:27 AM |
| 1 | What’s wrong with beta males?The concept of alphas and betas has no real meaning in human society let's be honest. In the true meaning of alpha male in mammals, if you put 2 alphas in the same space, 1 of them isn't an alpha any more. That obviously can't apply to human society where different social groups have to mix constantly. And the idea of exclusive mating rights to all females within a social group doesn't really exist in current society either. So they're pretty pointless terms, the way they seem to be used is "thi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/21 01:12 AM |
| 1 | Could many problems in contemporary dating stem from men failing to grasp how power dynamics have changed between the sexes?So when a woman is answering the question what are you looking for a guy, if she's ruling out 80% of men because she finds them ugly then it isn't worth mentioning... Right... Watching your mental gymnastics is just fascinating honestly. You're projecting opinions onto men that you've dreamt up in your fantasy land. It's hilarious that you say "women aren't a hive mind", and then you've concluded that "men have black and white thinking. They either think looks don't matter at all or that ONLY lo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/21 12:50 AM |
| 3 | Could many problems in contemporary dating stem from men failing to grasp how power dynamics have changed between the sexes?It's not really men's fault that you don't understand the concept of averages, trends, consensus, majorities, or variance. For the women on here their whole approach to analysing behaviour between the 2 genders is "if I have an 2nd hand anecdote that doesn't completely follow what you say then there's absolutely no validity to it". It basically makes the whole subreddit pointless as you cannot look at any trends in behaviour because someone will always have an anecdote to "disprove" what has bee… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/21 12:00 AM |
| 0 | Doesn't the existence of lesbians completely destroy a lot of red pill views of how women view men?So you think if these women moved to a desert island to live alone for the rest of their life, they'd be spending 2 hours a day on their hair and make up? Somehow I doubt that. They're trying to look better because they feel better about themselves when other people view them as more attractive. And there are many benefits to other people seeing you as more attractive, attract higher value partners (applies to gay or straight), do better socially, do better in your career. The idea they're sat i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/21 04:35 PM |
| 2 | Doesn't the existence of lesbians completely destroy a lot of red pill views of how women view men?I don't think this is a particularly difficult question to answer? Firstly, you're benefiting from being more attractive. You'll get more attraction from the people you want sexual attention from i.e. women. The theory that people work on their appearance be more attractive to the opposite sex applies to straight people who are the huge majority. If you're being pedantic, the wording of the theory should be "people try to look more attractive to attract whoever they're attracted to" - this now c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/21 04:28 PM |
| 1 | Based on my experience women don't seem to value "intelligence" as an attractive traitThere seems to be a complete lack of acknowledgement on the difference between desirable traits and attraction triggers. Women on here only focus on desirable traits without ever factoring in that if a man isn't attractive in the first place then these desirable traits are irrelevant. Who is the most intelligent person in any school or university? Usually some nerd who gets 100% on every test and knows everything about everything. Is this guy swimming in sexual options? Of course not, he's physi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/21 02:41 PM |
| 2 | Tall is not always "alpha"There are absolutely loads of factors that can make a taller guy unattractive. Young women don't want to date men with ugly faces, bald heads, disabilities, bad complexion. Most of them in the west won't date certain racial minorities either. So "just be tall" is just blatantly not true. You still need to be decent looking, otherwise you're just creepy ugly guy who happens to be tall. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/21 02:27 PM |
| 3 | [Q4M] Why do manosphere men have such an aversion to being a stepfather?So many reasons We are biologically programmed to want to procreate, not raise another man's seed absolving him of his responsibility. You are taking on financial responsibility that isn't yours. In the same way I don't pay other people's mortgages for them, I don't pay for their kids either. If you try to have influence over how the child is raised or disciplined and the mother has other ideas then she will throw the old "they are my child, not yours, you are not the father" at you. You effecti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/21 01:06 AM |
| 2 | Question about “the wall”Again, you're deluding yourself that 38 year old men are dating 25 year old women. A 25 year old woman doesn't want a balding middle aged man. She's banging guys she finds attractive around her own age, not past-their-prime men who look like her dad's friends. You think all these men offering buy this woman dinner aren't willing to LTR her? You think a woman can get 5 dinner dates a week with different men if she wants but she can't get a relationship out of any of them? Do you do logic? While t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 11:52 PM |
| 1 | Question about “the wall”I'm just a dude who recognises reality. Not some deluded guy with a revenge fantasy who thinks that no women over 30 can get a LTR, honestly you sound ridiculous. You put a 30 year old woman up on a dating site and she'll have dozens of guys wanting to buy her dinner within the hour. Men in their 30s don't have great choice either. A tiny percentage of good looking, high status, wealthy men can get a younger trophy wife who wants to mooch off their lifestyle, but the overwhelming majority of men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 09:22 PM |
| 1 | Question about “the wall”I'm not a FDS user I'm a bloke. You say women in their 30s don't have options for long term relationships... Come on now. Honestly, you underestimate the amount of lonely simps out there who are waiting to LTR any single woman who will give them the time of day. The men they have to choose from aren't the men they truly desire, but to say they don't have LTR or marriage options once they hit 30 is just pure delusion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 01:36 PM |
| 7 | Surely its common sense that girls like physically attractive men. Is it a lack of empathy or ability to see it from the other side that allows men to be totally blind sided?Personality being a turn on has a caveat though doesn't it? The man first has to reach the minimum looks threshold before his personality is even relevant. You're not going to be turned on by the Elephant man if he has a fantastic personality are you? What's up for debate is where is that minimum looks threshold for most women, is it easy or difficult to pass that minimum looks barrier? It's pretty misleading for a woman to tell a man that personality turns them on when the man in question is to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 12:25 AM |
| 4 | Isn't it strange how men are less sexually fluid than men? You would think that given men's thirstiness, they would be more fluid.If a man admits he's been sexually active with men, his sexual desirability to women decreases. There are sexual and reproductive consequences for a man admitting to being bisexual as the number of women interested in him will nosedive dramatically. That's one of the main reasons a lot of men wouldn't disclose their true sexuality. Men generally aren't going to reject women for having been physical with other women. So women are safer to disclose in that respect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/21 05:22 PM |
| 4 | The double standard based on the number of couples is perfectly logical and understandableIt's true women aren't consciously seeking out high N count men, but I think that's missing the point slightly. Women do prefer men with a decent amount of sexual experience, and one who is demonstrably attractive to other women. Both of those factors mean high N count men tend to not get judged too negatively by women overall as they have demonstrated 2 positive traits even if the sleeping around is not ideal, and these men are still have a lot of dating options which is partly why they rack up… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/21 12:43 AM |
| 2 | Women should never have to feel comfortable in small clothes.100% correct. The unfortunate side effect of revealing clothing is she attracts the eyes of the bottom tier men, as well as the top tier men. She only wants the top tier men to take notice of her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/21 08:27 PM |
| 2 | Women should never have to feel comfortable in small clothes.The funny thing is women are sexualising their bodies more and more with each passing decade. Are you seriously suggesting society is becoming more and more patriarchal than in previous decades? Or could it be that feminism is actually the cause in women sexualising themselves.. As society becomes more equal, and women are given more and more freedom, more opportunities, they're somehow sexualising themselves more and more. Young women are posting their ass on instagram daily, twerking on tiktok… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/21 08:25 PM |
| 8 | How much SEXUAL attractiveness does losing weight and putting on muscle add to a guys SEXUAL appeal?Muscle gain though? Negligible imo. Maybe a little toning, but I'm probably biased because I find the whole very muscular look extremely unattractive. The major issue when asking women about muscles is when they hear muscle quite often they're imagining a 300lb greased up bodybuilder onstage flexing his head off. Of course they find that gross. Let's put it this way, peak Jason Momoa is more muscular than 99.9% of men. The idea that your every day woman finds peak Jason Momoa's physique unattrac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/21 08:13 PM |
| 4 | How much SEXUAL attractiveness does losing weight and putting on muscle add to a guys SEXUAL appeal?I think it makes a significant difference. Obviously you see examples of guys who were obese and lost all the fat and are now male-model tier - however that's an extreme example of someone who was horrendously fat and had great looks hidden underneath that blubber the whole time. Generally, there needs to be some bare minimum base looks to begin with. There's a difference between looking good, and looking better than you used to. There's very little point in a guy going from a 1/10 to a 2.5/10 i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/21 07:59 PM |
| 2 | Body odor, more than personality, is a huge factor for genetic attraction between people (from BBC)I'm sceptical honestly in regards to scent. In real world application terms I think it's going to be a case that a tiny % of men are going to have a scent that stands out in a positive way to a given woman, and a tiny % of men are going to have a scent that stands out in a negative way to a given woman. Women are going to find most men neutral, and smelling pleasant is going to be reliant on their cleanliness/deodorant/cologne. There's just so many cases these days whereby women have all but dec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/21 07:34 PM |
| 5 | Body odor, more than personality, is a huge factor for genetic attraction between people (from BBC)Or, most likely, the "couple of glaring things" that are holding them back are things they cannot control - height, face, frame, hairline etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/21 07:13 PM |
| 1 | How would you explain stay-at-home dads?Yeah to be fair I didn't account for the red pill lunatics who think there's no such thing as variance or outliers. They're best to be ignored. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/21 09:38 PM |
| 26 | What bad dating advice do men give women that you rarely (or never) actually see work in real life?Redpillers who expect women to revert to being 1950s subservient housewives are so delusional. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/21 09:21 PM |
| 2 | How low can you go.....Financially speakingThat she's able to pay her own expenses without mooching off me. That's it. We should point out that it's not about salary in so many cases. There are certain jobs that are so stigmatised as low-status that a lot of people would be put off just because they're sensitive to what other people say and think - cashier in mcdonalds, rubbish/trash collector may be examples. Realistically, if a person works an office admin job earning the exact same money as a mcdonalds worker - the office worker is go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/21 09:14 PM |
| 2 | What are the lesser known struggle dating as a woman?Calm down, breathe. Who ever said women owe men dates love or sex? Are you just fabricating stuff for fun now? The point is simple, if you're a guy who is being made to go on a stack of dates before a woman is willing to get physical, that's absolutely fine. However, if at the same time she's dating you then she's handing out no-strings-attached to guys who have never been on a date with her, and have never made any committent, then you're being played like a chump. She has every right to do thi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/21 08:50 PM |
| 8 | What are the lesser known struggle dating as a woman?Also, as already pointed out, you're bemoaning that qualities you find attractive in men can't be leveraged as a woman (status, success, career etc.) What you can leverage is qualities men actually find attractive - being warm, co-operative, empathetic, fun, kind, modest - it seems instead women are aiming to become the men they find most attractive which is not the right approach. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/21 08:25 PM |
| 8 | What are the lesser known struggle dating as a woman?To add on to this, women don't generally get the option of "making up for their looks in other areas." I get what you're saying. The very obvious point to make here is that women don't realistically need to make up for their looks. Men's biological programming to be attracted to such a wide range of women has done the hard work for you. I'll say it a million times, a 300 pound woman can get dozens of messages a day on a dating site. So a regular woman absolutely does not need to go around worryi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/21 08:18 PM |
| 5 | What are the lesser known struggle dating as a woman?For what it's worth I agree you can date without sex. On another note thank you for proving their red pill alpha fux, beta bux narrative. All the nice guys taking you out on dates that lead nowhere while the bad boy fuckbuddy gets no-strings-attached easy sex whenever he wants. It's just a cliche at this point it's so common. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/21 08:00 PM |
| 1 | How would you explain stay-at-home dads?This is silly. No one is trying to prove that 7 billion people on the planet all behave in the exact same way. What we're trying to establish are trends, majority and consensus. We can point to a thousand studies of women preferring taller men and the women on this sub will always pipe up with "actually one of my friends is dating a guy who's only 5ft 8, so it's not true that women prefer taller men". It's just ludicrous how people can miss the point. If the majority of women have a preference f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/21 02:16 PM |
| 2 | Everyone talks about what makes a man low value, but what exactly makes a woman low value?The fact they presume he's insecure about his height or his dick shows they view it as shameful. How would a woman online have any clue about the height or dick size of a complete stranger? They're mocking him about his height and dick size because they know it's shameful because women find it unattractive, even when they're completely unaware of his height or dick size. Why wouldn't they just say "I disagree with your opinion" or "I don't like your attitude"? Instead they have the go to persona… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/21 01:37 PM |
| 0 | The ultimate freedom for a man is to free himself of the notions of being a "loser" or "winner"If you take a decent sample of people who you think are "good" in relationships, and place them in an alternative reality where they're single and sexless for basically their whole lives, and see how happy they are. The idea that "can't be happy alone" is some unique thing I'm not buying, it's almost universal. The people who can be single and sexless for their whole lives and are genuinely happy are incredibly rare. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/21 08:46 PM |
| 3 | Everyone talks about what makes a man low value, but what exactly makes a woman low value?Firstly, constant rejection is what matters - that is what signifies women find them low value (I.e. low desirability). Verbalising it is irrelevant. However they often do also verbalise their preferences very bluntly, short men will get told "you're too short for me", "I only date guys over x height". A woman's go to insults for any man that disagrees with her is "small dick energy", "short man syndrome", "virgin", "mad cause you can't get laid" and "incel". Women overwhelmingly prefer tall men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/21 05:30 PM |
| 14 | Everyone talks about what makes a man low value, but what exactly makes a woman low value?and you can save a lot of time and energy asking just one question instead of two Edit: what are the traits of low value people? Or if you want to be more specific what are traits of low value romantic partners The issue is the main traits that make a man undesirable and unattractive in the eyes of women, most of them don't apply to women because men aren't as picky. For example, being low income and having low ambition is a low value trait for men. Most men don't really give a shit, whereas wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/21 10:56 PM |
| 1 | What are some things that are hard to find in guys these days?So the hundreds of men who simp over that 300 pound woman every day are all voluntarily long term single because they're waiting for a 10/10 wife but in the meantime while they wait they're wasting their time giving their attention to the lowest looks level woman on the planet. Gotcha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/21 02:32 PM |
| 9 | What are some things that are hard to find in guys these days?This idea that ugly overweight men are seeking out 10/10 beautiful wives just has no basis in reality. Men have low standards. The fact that a 300 pound woman can get hundreds of messages a day on dating apps is proof of that. There are obviously going to be the occasional delusion man who doesn't recognise his looks level, but nothing that we can generalise to the wider population. The statistical trend is that men will seek out women of the lowest looks level, they certainly aren't exclusively… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/21 09:23 PM |
| 2 | What's the truth on how women perceive emotional men?The key part missing here is why do these societal expectations exist in the first place? Feminists have 2 gaslighting tactics. Firstly, is to deny reality and pretend women are more attracted to emotional men than stoic men, and that a man constantly crying about how sad he is won't affect women's attraction to him at all. Secondly, is to accept that most women may be turned off by emotional men, but claim the reason for this is women have been brainwashed by the patriarchy to prefer strong men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/21 08:42 PM |
| 2 | Why do Redpill and Mgtow guys care about degeneracy in women/society if they don't want to get married or have long term relationships?Quite often they don't want to have a long term relationship or marriage because of the degeneracy of society. Also, everyone pays for people's degeneracy. People pay for single parent households through taxes. The kids who come from single parents households grow up to do far worse in life in terms of crime, education, income etc. which we all bear the cost of. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/21 04:06 PM |
| 3 | “Chemistry”... what is it?The fact this guy got an easy blowjob kind of speaks for itself.. It's a lovely anecdote, but again how often are women are complaining "damn this guy I've been dating is so so so hot and I've been physically attracted to him for ages but there's just no spark". I've just never heard it before in my life, I'm sure it happens but it's the minority of cases. Usually if she's physically attracted then the guy gets to smash, or in your case gets a nostringsattached suckie. Generally they like a guy'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/21 10:48 PM |
| 11 | There is little difference in libido levels between me and women, the mistake men make is project their own sexual arousal process to womenThey need to feel comfortable, safe, it takes time, they need to be with the right guy who projects confidence so they can feel confident wjth him to experience the level of sexual arousal that men do much easier. How do explain all the women who have had a 1 night stand from a nightclub, or a college party? How do you explain the millions of hook ups that happen from tinder every year? Women have a higher bar for safety, connection than men do, sure. But a lot of them will throw all that out th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/21 09:06 PM |
| 1 | Despite some protests to the contrary, the pre-selection bias is quite real.......I'm not sure if this is already a thing in the community, but I often refer to what I call assumed pre-selection. That is, for a top % of men, women don't need to see evidence that women find him desirable, it's just assumed by looking at him. This acts a multiplier of her sexual attraction. When a woman walks past a man who's tall, broad, good looking face and full head of hair, there is no doubt in her mind that this guy has sexual options all over the place. She will work under that assumptio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/21 04:45 PM |
| 1 | The average man is not doing bad with the average woman when it comes to sex.Amazingly, your argument started that men are getting laid and the numbers that aren't are insignificant. That's now quickly turned into "yeah, nearly half of young men get almost no sex, but so what? They're not entitled to sex!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/21 01:52 PM |
| 1 | For ppl who get anxious about the idea that their SO enjoyed sexual intimacy with another person, is “low n” or “virgin” your preference?And you get to decide what's normal? Not everything I listed was physical. It's "normal" to have want behavioural and personality attributes that you don't have. Are women hypocrites because they wear certain clothes that they wouldn't be comfortable seeing their husband wear? How many women say "I like a guy who is funny". Are these women all funny themselves? When you hear a woman say she likes men who are funny do you tell them "you're hardly a comedian yourself are you luv? Hypocrite you are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/21 10:57 PM |
| 1 | For ppl who get anxious about the idea that their SO enjoyed sexual intimacy with another person, is “low n” or “virgin” your preference?Are the women hypocrites for everything I listed in my original post? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/21 06:01 PM |
| 2 | For ppl who get anxious about the idea that their SO enjoyed sexual intimacy with another person, is “low n” or “virgin” your preference?Correct. That's why "if you want a non-promiscuous partner you need to be a virgin yourself" is so silly. People aren't looking for a mirror image of themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/21 05:51 PM |
| 8 | For ppl who get anxious about the idea that their SO enjoyed sexual intimacy with another person, is “low n” or “virgin” your preference?You're not demanding anything of anyone, it's a preference. A straight woman who wants a man with a penis is being ridiculous because she doesn't bring a penis to the table herself? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/21 07:28 PM |
| 30 | For ppl who get anxious about the idea that their SO enjoyed sexual intimacy with another person, is “low n” or “virgin” your preference?This is nonsense. Women prefer tall men even when they're not tall themselves. Women prefer confident men even when they're not confident themselves Women prefer funny men even when they're not particularly funny themselves Women prefer wealthy men even if they're not wealthy themselves Women prefer men who DON'T wear high heels, dresses and make up even when they wear these themselves Women prefer men with muscle and physical strength even when they're weak as piss themselves People aren't look… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/21 06:18 PM |
| 0 | CMV: women in relationships "setting up" their single male friends with their single female friends is complete fiction, almost never happens in reality.That's not really the point. If this woman found him attractive and desirable, she'd want him for herself. She wouldn't be passing him on to her friends. Whether he's actually made a move is irrelevant, he still falls into the category of Mr-nice-guy-platonic-friend. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/21 11:26 AM |
| 1 | Men, how would you explain the obsession with K-pop stars?Good looking men can be masculine or more feminine. The principles of being good looking for a male are forward growth of upper and lower jaw, well defined jawline, prominent cheekbones, compact orbitals, compact midface, proportional nose, full head of hair, good complexion. K-pop stars are almost always going to score well on these criteria even if they don't have hyper-masculine features. Also, extreme levels of social status attracts groupies, hardly a shock. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/21 11:46 PM |
| 2 | Are ugly/fat couples really attracted to each other?Men have the ability to be attracted to a very wide range of women as part of their biology. When looking at passing on their genes, men can impregnate an infinite amount of women so it makes no sense for men to only be attracted to the top % of women as that would limit their potential offspring. Men can be aroused by low genetic quality women as well as high genetic quality. You have to remember, just because a woman isn't a man's ideal or preference doesn't mean he doesn't find her attractive… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/21 11:11 PM |
| 10 | CMV: women in relationships "setting up" their single male friends with their single female friends is complete fiction, almost never happens in reality.Another point worth noting for a woman to have one of her female friends set her up with one of her male friends, she knows the female friend most likely finds him undesirable herself. Women want men that other women find desirable and who have a lot of options. The fact the woman playing cupid has friend-zoned this guy because she deems him undesirable, and the guy is so desparate and lacking in options that he needs a female friend who friend-zoned him to introduce him to women is not a good l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/21 10:23 PM |
| 1 | why don't men date through female friends to avoid being with girls that they dont want ?I think you have taken my point in a completely different direction then. I was talking about women sharing details about their partner that he wouldn't want shared - that includes style, size, performance, endurance, frequency, preferences etc. Sharing stories of being violently assaulted is quite far away from the point I was making, by all means share that with friends and the police. Very much a tangent from the original discussion though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/21 09:39 PM |
| 3 | why don't men date through female friends to avoid being with girls that they dont want ?So to disprove my point you mention that your friend has told you about how bad and unpleasent the sex is with her partner... Definitely not a violation of his trust. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/21 09:09 PM |
| 19 | contray to the popular belief, I don't think is "nice guys" that a good bunch of women can't stand, it is guys without a backbone THAT turns women off like crazyThis is another classic example of how women's mate preferences have resulted in that very "toxic masculinity" that they complain about. When we observe women being repulsed by "guys without a backbone" we're effectively observing that women reject men with personality traits such as avoiding confrontation, passive and easy going, happy to let someone else lead, not very competitive, chooses to be co-operative rather than combative, would rather walk away from trouble than argue or fight. This o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/21 09:04 PM |
| 9 | why don't men date through female friends to avoid being with girls that they dont want ?Dating within social circle might seem like the most logical way of meeting someone but it can get a bit awkward. Firstly, women tell their girl friends everything. Be prepared for everyone in your social circle to know your dick size, how long you last in bed, any weird kinks you have. Be prepared for everyone in your social circle to know of any arguments you may have had, or any social errors you have made. Be prepared to have everyone in your social circle to be gossiping about your relation… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/21 05:08 PM |
| 2 | What Event of Modern Feminism can MGTOW and/or Redpill reference to help "Blue Pilled" people understand its contribution to the "decline" better?Feminism claims to be an equality movement but really it's just a trade union for women, they want the best deal possible for women in all areas. - Feminists think it's imperative that women have at least 50% representation in certain male dominated fields like engineering for example - however they've no interest in pushing for men to have 50% representation in female dominated fields. Feminists also have no interest in having equal representation in anything they deem undesirable like sewage w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/21 11:18 PM |
| 44 | Plausible DeniabilityYou're purposely re-framing the scenario to avoid answering the real question. In both scenarios he has performed the niceties, he was taken you on the date, he has asked you about yourself, he has gotten to know you. After all that, it has come to the point where he wants to ask you to come to his place. He can either Ask you to come back for a drink (with the intention of making a move that will lead to sex). Ask you to come back to his place for sex You're fooling yourself if you think scenar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/21 10:41 PM |
| 7 | Plausible DeniabilityI'm not sure if we're talking about different scenarios. If a guy has said "I'm 100% not thinking about sex and I won't try anything physical, we'll just watch a film and nothing else", then sure he shouldn't then try to physically escalate after saying that. But I very much doubt that was the scenario the OP was talking about when they posted the thread.. If he's invited a woman over to watch a film and not explicitly mentioned sex, that's a normal human interaction in the real world. I don't t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/21 10:31 PM |
| 10 | What I love about being a man in the dating worldThere's some seriously flawed logic in that post. I call it dilution theory. The idea that because women take into account job, status, confidence, ambition etc. when judging a man's desirability then it means looks are a small % of what makes a man attractive. Makes sense right? Not really. To attract a woman you first have to meet her minimum looks threshold, otherwise you will not be considered a dating prospect. Hypothetically, if only 30% of men meet a given woman's minimum looks standard a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/21 10:14 PM |
| 10 | Plausible DeniabilityInviting a woman over to your place to "watch a movie" is lying and pressuring women into sex. LOL. Do you live in the real world? Do you think every sexual encounter happens with someone saying "by the way, my intention is to have sex with you later" and the other person saying "ok that's good because I want to have sex". I'd bet good money you don't hold women to this same standard. If a woman invites a guy over to her place to "chill", "hang out" without explicitly mentioning sex then she has… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/21 09:54 PM |
| 11 | Plausible DeniabilityIf a guy invites you to his house after a date for a "drink", do you really believe his intentions are more pure than if he asked you back to his house for sex? In both scenarios his attention is solely focused on your vagina (as you put it), it's just in one of the scenarios he's effectively lied about the real reason he wants you to come back to his house. Or another scenario you're both on the his couch having a drink, and he can either attempt to kiss you and then remove your clothes, or he … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/21 09:43 PM |
| 37 | Is the kindest thing for us as a society to adjust male expectations down to a realistic level regarding their romance and dating lives?I think what probably needs to happen - Stop shaming men for being sexually unsuccessful - currently the go-to insult whenever a man disagrees with anyone is to call him a virgin, incel or imply he can't get laid. - Teach men how to live fulfilling lives without having a partner (I'm not even sure if this is possible on a large scale, obviously some individuals will find happiness alone but expecting 30+% of the population to achieve this is optimistic). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/21 09:53 PM |
| 1 | Redpillers of PPD - What is your most "Blue Pill" belief? Bluepillers of PPD - What is your most "Red Pill" belief?A 40 year old could easily attract a woman in her mid 20s The average age gap in marriage is like 2 years... Attractive 25 year old women are not banging 40 year old men. The few that do are exceptions, in no way is it "easy" for a 40 year old bloke to go round having his pick of the attractive 20 year old women. It's absurd. Just because Leonardo Dicaprio gets laid whenever he wants red pill men think they can do it too just by having an above average income. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/21 05:06 PM |
| 1 | Redpillers of PPD - What is your most "Blue Pill" belief? Bluepillers of PPD - What is your most "Red Pill" belief?Yes, a top 0.0001% male model tier Hollywood celebrity can get laid. Not sure how that helps the man on the street. I used "generally speaking" for a reason. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/21 01:30 PM |
| 1 | Redpillers of PPD - What is your most "Blue Pill" belief? Bluepillers of PPD - What is your most "Red Pill" belief?Not to red pill men they're not. These men are delusional. And for what it's worth, women on here also preach the idea that a man just needs to take a shower and go to the gym and suddenly they'll stop getting rejected because of their looks, again delusional. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/21 01:25 PM |
| 1 | Redpillers of PPD - What is your most "Blue Pill" belief? Bluepillers of PPD - What is your most "Red Pill" belief?I never said women don't care about money, I said young women are mainly going after looks, social value and personality and money becomes more important when they're looking for a beta bux as they get older. Red pill men will consider a woman's "prime" 20 years old, do you honestly think 20 year old women are all competing to get a 40 year old rich bloke? At this age they're most likely students who are banging other broke students, they're not fucking 40 year old balding men flashing cash at t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/21 01:25 PM |
| 3 | Redpillers of PPD - What is your most "Blue Pill" belief? Bluepillers of PPD - What is your most "Red Pill" belief?Red pill men tend to believe if you work towards being financially successful that will make you alpha fux material. It doesn't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/21 08:10 PM |
| 24 | Redpillers of PPD - What is your most "Blue Pill" belief? Bluepillers of PPD - What is your most "Red Pill" belief?They're not specifically seeking out older rich men is my point. Broke uni students are sleeping with other broke uni students. Young professionals are dating other young professionals who are just working ordinary jobs. What red-pill men consider "prime" women i.e. 18-25 are not specifically seeking out rich men, they're seeking out men they find physically attractive who they get along with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/21 04:58 PM |
| 7 | Redpillers of PPD - What is your most "Blue Pill" belief? Bluepillers of PPD - What is your most "Red Pill" belief?I've edited it as it was poorly worded. Western women are discriminatory to racial minority men in terms of dating, that's all my point was. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/21 04:50 PM |
| 5 | How to handle waiting to have sex?I think most men are quite happy to wife up a woman who wants to wait to have sex. What they don't want however is a woman who has slept around casually, and now expects Billy beta to buy her dinner for 6 months before he gets any action. Unfortunately there's so many of these women about who pick and choose which guys get quick and easy sex and which guys have to wait, that men have become disillusioned with the idea of waiting and feel quite embarrassed to be put in the waiting list when other… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/21 03:50 PM |
| 2 | Redpillers of PPD - What is your most "Blue Pill" belief? Bluepillers of PPD - What is your most "Red Pill" belief?There's a contradictory message from feminists being put out there. First is that a woman's choice is always valid, which means being a tradwife is just as empowering as any other choice. However the contradictory message is that we need equality of outcome at all levels (when it favours women of course). That is, we need an income gap of 0%, 50% of engineers should be women, 50% of CEO's should be women etc. These positions cannot be simultaneously valid. Feminists trying to force equality of o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/21 03:32 PM |
| 58 | Redpillers of PPD - What is your most "Blue Pill" belief? Bluepillers of PPD - What is your most "Red Pill" belief?I'm not red pill (precisely because of the things I'm about to list) but I'd get labelled as that so here we go young attractive women are not attracted to older men (generally speaking). Young hot women want guys around their age or a few years older, they don't want a 40 year old man who's "built his value". They're out their banging young hot guys or have a boyfriend around their own age. The only women attracted to older potentially career successful men are women who are 30+ or fast approac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/21 03:16 PM |
| – | Men created the issue of HeightismYou have horribly misunderstood where society's shaming of certain attributes derives from. Everything men are shamed for in society perfectly correlates with what women find sexually unattractive. Being short, being bald, small genitals, physically weak, mentally weak, emotionally weak, living at home with parents, being broke, sexually inexperienced, sexually unsuccessful. Now there's a chicken vs egg scenario here where feminists will claim that women only find these things unattractive becau… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/21 08:20 PM |
| 2 | Red Pill Youtuber Alexander Grace says that pursuing casual sex is next to impossible for all but the very top men, and most men are better off finding a high quality woman and getting out of the dating market asapAlexander is correct, however I think 99% is a bit of a stretch. If you're top 10% of looks for example you should be getting casual relationships somewhat easily, all you need is a bare minimum level of social competence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/21 04:45 PM |
| 2 | Why do so many of us men find female promiscuity simultaneously arousing and revolting?I notice that you didn't deny that women tend to find inexeperienced and virigin men repulsive. There's a balance to be had, men who have slept with 500 women, obviously not ideal. Men who have a proven track record of being able to attract women, and has some sexual experience, absolutely. I think you're also making the mistake of looking at what women say they want rather than which guys are actually getting majority of the sex from women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/21 09:56 PM |
| 5 | Abundance of mating partners leads to sexual selection pressures where the top males take allI'm saying a much much higher % of men were parenting their kids 50 years ago. Then feminism happened. Women don't abandon their children they just abort them instead, or give them up for adoption. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/21 09:45 PM |
| 5 | Abundance of mating partners leads to sexual selection pressures where the top males take all Why don't you ask why men were parenting 50 years ago but aren't anymore? He's not parenting because feminists have created a culture where people are having kids outside of long term committed relationships, where government incentivises single motherhood, people are told father's aren't important and where men get screwed over in family courts. If guy A is sleeping with 5 women a year and each of those women are sleeping with 5 guys a year, and each of those are sleeping with 5 women a year,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/21 09:37 PM |
| 5 | Why do so many of us men find female promiscuity simultaneously arousing and revolting?Women decide what is undesirable and shameful in men. Women on the whole don't like male virigins as it signifies sexual inexeperience, lack of sexual confidence and lack of pre-selection from other women, why would she want a guy who can't attract other women? See also everything else that men are shamed for that derives from women's preferences - being short, being weak, being broke, living with parents etc. So when men say "a man's value rises when he gets laid a lot", they're simply observin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/21 09:29 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?Thank you for sharing your experiences. Very upsetting to read. For all the talk about male/female privilege and racial privilege, good looking privilege is the one people need to open their eyes to. Being bottom tier vs top tier in the looks department is like living on 2 different planets. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/21 09:29 PM |
| 1 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?No one said anything was impossible. It's a discussion forum, some people ind the question and answers interesting, some people don't. Don't want to discuss, don't post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 06:28 PM |
| 3 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?I just thought it would be an interesting question and I only want women to answer the question in good faith no matter their view, rather than resorting to personal attacks for me asking a simple question. Thank you for your honest answer. Though I'm not sure why you needed to assume I had some sort of agenda and was looking to berate people, when in any of my posts have I ever berated anyone? The most refreshing answers are those that actually have some introspection and actually considered th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 11:54 AM |
| 3 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?Because in order to attract women you'll need to speak to them, you can do this in any scenario you think is most appropriate. And unless you're a mind reader then you don't know if someone is up for a conversation with you until you try. And if you're waiting for clear signals that a woman wants to be social with you before you try, those signals will never come as they generally don't want to speak to ugly men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 11:22 AM |
| 7 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?Girls out perform boys in the classroom and get treated favourably in the education system as its dominated by women and feminists, so I've no idea what you're talking about. "Girls aren't allowed to play, they're made to wrap dumplings while the boys play" - these sorts of lies and misrepresentations of reality are why feminism is now a laughing stock to every day people. No idea what this has to do with the question at hand either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 11:14 AM |
| 3 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?Brutal honesty, love it. You're gonna have to hit on women you've met organically though eventually if you want some success, otherwise you'll be perpetually the platonic male friend. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 10:56 AM |
| 3 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?So texting a woman you've met organically or been on a date with is "hitting on randos". Great strawman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 10:56 AM |
| 1 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?I think we're reading a different sub-reddit. There's an overwhelming feeling on here that lack of romantic success cannot be put down to being physically unattractive and it must be that the man must have a terrible personality and he must be a terrible misogynist on top of that (unlike the men sleeping with dozens of women, who must be gentlemen presumably). Thank you for the honesty in your answer though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 10:51 AM |
| 0 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?Have you considered "chatting people up" won't be so well received when you're an ugly man doing the chatting up? What will your reaction be when you do your usual bubbly conversational flirting and the women seem cold, distant and unenthusiastic in the conversation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 10:36 AM |
| 13 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?I'm arguing that most women on here seem to think "I have an amazing personality so I'd be successful even as an unattractive male" and they'd be in for quite a shock when they find out their personality isn't that amazing when put in less favorable circumstances. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 10:33 AM |
| 3 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?I've never been reported to anyone, you're the man in this scenario taking the risk of talking to women who don't want to speak to you. Typical shaming tactics instead of actually answering the question. I've stated the facts that promiscuous women have higher divorce rates, higher infidelity rates, higher rates of mental illness, lower relationship satisfaction. You've strawmanned this to classify anyone who states facts must be a "virgin hunter". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 10:27 AM |
| 7 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?In this scenario you're short with an ugly face and a receding hairline... Do you really think some well fitted clothes is enough to compensate for that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 10:24 AM |
| 2 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?In this scenario you're short, balding with ugly facial features. You think some moisturiser and well fitted jeans can compensate for that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 12:13 AM |
| 14 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?People enjoy talking to you as a woman. Try initiating interactions with women as an ugly man, they'll be cold, stand-offish, and unenthusiastic in the conversation because an unattractive man is potentially hitting on them and she does not want him to. Suddenly you'll think a lot less of your personality and social skills when women are instantly creeped out by your presence. Make that reaction 10x worse if you actually express any sexual or romantic interest, as their guard will go up further.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 12:09 AM |
| 2 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?I think the consensus is it's hard to find a compatible life partner. It's certainly not hard for women or attractive men to find a romantic partner. It just won't be "the one". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 12:03 AM |
| 23 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?normalized men sad-dumping on each other and then supporting each other the way we normalize it for women, I imagine it would lessen the sadness somewhat. Thank you for the answer. As I say, I think this idea that "well I have good conversation skills" won't fly so well when you find yourself initating a conversation with a woman and for the first time in your life she's cold, dismissive and doesn't put any effort into the conversation as all she sees is an ugly man hitting on her. Suddently you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/21 11:59 PM |
| 9 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?Approaching is a pretty big hurdle. And note being a below average female is definitely not the same lived experience as being a below average male. It's the difference between getting 100 DM's a day on a dating site vs getting 0 matches and 0 responses. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/21 11:55 PM |
| 15 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?Yes you'd have male libido. I like the idea that you know what you think you'd do in your head to attract women, but let's see how you react the first time you initiate a conversation with a woman and she seems cold, stand-offish and distant as if she doesn't want to speak to you, possibly she makes an excuse to leave, gives you a look of disgust or puts no effort into the conversation. You'll think "jeez, that conversation opener would usually work for female me", and slowly it will dawn on you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/21 11:54 PM |
| 9 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?I think potentially you're underestimating the difference in every day life experience of a woman vs an ugly man. You know that conversation you started with the woman at the gym last week and you got chatting for a bit and she seemed so warm and welcoming and seemed to really enjoy speaking to you? Well, let's imagine we place an unattractive man in that scenario instead, when you initiated the conversation is she still receptive and enthusiastic to speak to you, or is she cold, stand-offish, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/21 11:48 PM |
| 4 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?This is you applying your experience as a woman to what you will experience as a man. A below average woman will still basically have infinite dating options due to men's libido and low looks threshold and men's desire to pursue women and do all the work. That is not the same experience as an ugly man trying to initiate interactions, attract and seduce women without getting rejected or labelled a creep. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/21 11:35 PM |
| 1 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?You know that guy in your office who is short and has a fairly ugly face? Him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/21 11:33 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?What are you talking about? Your strategy can be whatever you want it to be, you just have to be sexually successful. By DM's I mean messages that you send girls are getting ignored a lot more than you're currently used to, that could be texting a girl you got the number for, texting a girl you've had 1 date with, messaging someone on a dating site, messaging a mututal friend on social media etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/21 11:31 PM |
| 6 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?By consistently and reliably, I basically mean that you'll be able to get a girlfriend when you feel like getting a girlfriend. That means you're not going months or years with no romantic success. If you're single for 3 years and then finally find a girl who will accept you, that is not success that can easily be replicated, it's basically a bit of luck or positive variance at the end of a very tough and lonely road. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/21 11:29 PM |
| 14 | Do you believe your current personality would be enough to be sexually successful if you were transformed into a genetically unattractive male?Please answer the question. With your current personality do you think you'd be able to be sexually successful if we converted you into an ugly short man? Or do you think it's more likely you'd end up noticing looks of disgust from women, have women tell you you're too short, ignore your DM's and gradually your confidence and enthusiasm would erode away? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/21 10:39 PM |
| 2 | What are the prospects for Mr Average, realisticallyIf by average you mean the 50th percentile man, he still has a shot at having a standard dating life, unlikely to have an abundance of dating options but enough that he can get a girlfriend providing he doesn't have zero social skills. Currently it seems like there's too many women on the planet who want a relationship for those 50th percentile guys to be shunned completely. It's the guys who are noticeabley below average that are being completely shunned from the dating market, the bottom 10%, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/21 10:03 PM |
| 9 | CMV: the TRP adage "don't listen to women" actually shows that TRPers have too few women in their lifeSo you don't refute that unattractive women have unlimited dating options because men have low standards.. Glad we're on the same page. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/21 09:55 PM |
| 9 | CMV: the TRP adage "don't listen to women" actually shows that TRPers have too few women in their lifeGo put a dating profile of an obese woman online and see how many messages she gets. You won't be able to keep count it will be so many. Go put a dating profile of a below average looking but healthy man online and see how many messages he gets, and go further and see how many replies he gets to the messages he sends. You'll be able to count the amount of matches and replies on 1 hand, and there's a very good chance he'll get absolutely nothing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/21 09:12 PM |
| 10 | CMV: the TRP adage "don't listen to women" actually shows that TRPers have too few women in their lifere What has this got to do with me? Men have very low standards, all the online dating studies show even the most unattractive women have unlimited dating options. So the idea that men are exclusively going for women way above them is just pure fabrication. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/21 08:53 PM |
| 30 | CMV: the TRP adage "don't listen to women" actually shows that TRPers have too few women in their lifeAre a guy's female friends going to admit to him that he's getting rejected because he's too short, too ugly, too bald and/or too ethnic? If they're not, then they're just spewing the same watered down rubbish he'll get from his mother. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/21 08:18 PM |
| 1 | Wanting men to pay for a dinner date is a good vetting stategieNo one was really debating whether someone has the "right" to set standards. No one is asking for it to be put into law that women aren't allowed to expect men to pay for their dinner. People are just saying those standards are stupid, and hypocritical if they claim to be believe in equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/21 07:49 PM |
| 1 | Wanting men to pay for a dinner date is a good vetting stategieWhy is the standard "if you didn't want to pay for everyone then you shouldn't have invited them" rather than "if you didn't want to pay your share then you shouldn't have accepted"? By expecting the person who made the invite to pay then you're punishing them for taking a risk that is kind of key to the survival of our species... It makes a lot more sense that if the woman isn't interested enough to be willing to pay her share then she should just decline the invite, no one is forcing her to ac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/21 07:25 PM |
| 0 | Wanting men to pay for a dinner date is a good vetting stategieIf men didn't ask women out, then there would be no people in relationships because women refuse to ask. And if a guy never asks women out he gets mocked and shamed by women for being a virgin or an "incel". Basically men are taking the time, energy and risk of asking women out so people get a chance to form romantic relationships and pro-create, and he gets punished for taking that risk by having to pay for everything. Doesn't sound like he's getting a very good deal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/21 07:08 PM |
| 4 | Wanting men to pay for a dinner date is a good vetting stategieIt's really not standard to pay if you invite someone. Every social meet-up involves someone making plans and inviting people to said plans - and you think they should be burdened with having to pay for all the attendees of a social gathering when they've already taken the time and risk of organising it? If I suggest on group chat to my friends that we should meet up for drinks on Friday night, do you think they sit down at the bar and say "you have to buy my drinks all night because this was yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/21 06:53 PM |
| 2 | Wanting men to pay for a dinner date is a good vetting stategieWhy doesn't the woman have to pay for the man's company? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/21 06:44 PM |
| 1 | Wanting men to pay for a dinner date is a good vetting stategieAnd about expecting the guy to pay, I think it is fine ro set that standart for the men you date. You can set any standart you want. If you're a man, you can also make it your vetting strategie to only date women who offer to go dutch. It's completly up to you. Notice how you didn't say men can make it their vetting strategy to only date women who pay for the whole date... Men should insist women pay for dinner so she can prove she's actually interested in him, and then give him a quick handjo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/21 06:24 PM |
| 5 | "Can't wife a hoe" but, why not?The reason men are happy to be fuckbois is because women set the standards for what qualities in men are attractive, and what qualities make men losers. Women on average are attracted to men who other women find desirable, men who are sexually confident, sexually dominant, sexually experienced. That's why being a fuckboi doesn't really damage a man's reputation, because it actually demonstrates qualities that women find attractive. Women on average find men unattractive when other women don't fi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/21 10:29 PM |
| 5 | "Can't wife a hoe" but, why not?Promiscuous women have higher divorce rates, lower relationship satisfaction, higher infidelity rates (and therefore higher paternity fraud rates), higher instances of mental illness, higher instances of personality disorders, higher instances of STI's... What more reasons could you possibly want? There's an evolutionary aspect to it also in that women who have been sleeping around previously may already be pregnant which means her new boyfriend can be stuck raising another man's offspring and w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/21 10:11 PM |
| 7 | Question about “the wall”There's a red pill delusion that young hot prime women are going after 38 year old men and it's leaving women in their 30s short of options. It's so far from the truth it hurts. Young attractive women are dating chads around their own age or a few years older, and therefore women in their 30s have loads of options around their age and older, in that sense the wall doesn't exist. Women always have the advantage in the dating market because men are hornier and have a lower looks threshold - go put… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/21 09:13 PM |
| 1 | To solve many male issues (simping, sexlessness etc) we need to teach boys sex itself isn't that importantJust to clarify, the reason successfully unsuccessful men are seen as losers is because women find it an undesirable trait in a partner. Majority of women want a man who is desirable to other women and sexually experienced - and on the flip side they are repulsed by a man who is not desirable to other women and has no sexual experience. Until women change their preferences in what they find attractive and unattractive in men, the social stigma around shaming men for being virgins etc. will remai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/21 02:45 PM |
| – | Guys who want women with low count usually have a very fragile masculinitySo your way to refute statistics is "actually, I've not had an STI therefore your facts are invalid". Every thread on this forum goes the exact same way - men look at trends and statistics, and women think they're irrelevant because "yeah but what about this anecdote I have". Men want to give themselves the best chance possible at having a lasting and happy long term relationship, free from disease, divorce and infidelity - to give themselves the best chance they should choose to avoid promiscuo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/21 02:35 PM |
| – | Guys who want women with low count usually have a very fragile masculinityThese are the classic shaming tactics feminists use to stop men from having perfectly legitimate preferences. Promiscuous women have higher rates off STI's, higher infidelity rates (and therefore higher paternity fraud rates), lower relationship satisfaction, higher divorce rates, higher rates of personality disorders. Why exactly would a man want a woman who has taken the seed of 100 men? Feminists have created a culture whereby ruling out men because they're under 6ft tall is perfectly reasona… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/21 02:09 PM |
| 3 | Is obesity more of a problem for male attractiveness than for female?Go put a dating profile online of a fat woman. You can even make it really clear in the profile, no hookups, only looking for serious dating. She'll still be flooded with messages from guys. It's almost impossible for women to lose in the dating market. Men are biologically programmed to be attracted to a high percentage and a wide range of women. As mentioned, women gaining body fat have the advantage it can make their hips wider, butt bigger, boobs bigger. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/21 02:57 PM |
| 3 | Would you be supportive of your boyfriend getting a hair transplant or would you tell him to shave it off?There isn't a thriving market for bald guys, there's a thriving market for attractive guys, some of whom just so happen to be bald but are so attractive facially that they can get away with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 06:29 PM |
| 1 | Would you be supportive of your boyfriend getting a hair transplant or would you tell him to shave it off?Incredible delusion to think looking good bald is down to "style". Looking good bald means they are so attractive in other areas that they can get away with being bald - good head shape, attractive and masculine facial structure, broad frame, tall height - these are all genetically determined and nothing to do with style. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 06:27 PM |
| 3 | How important it's preselection (mate copying) as attribute for a men?I don't see any evidence that ugly men are chasing after supermodels.. I've seen online dating experiments done with the most unattractive women possible and they are overwhelmed with endless matches and messages from men, so these women will always have better options than an ugly man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/21 09:07 PM |
| 2 | Is there nuance in the philosophy that "career women" are a turn-off?People can recognise a trend and at the same time accept there's variance and it doesn't have to hold true in every case. A man would recognise that a woman who sleeps around and has a lower back tattoo is more likely to be filthy in bed than a virgin, for example. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/21 09:02 PM |
| 18 | How important it's preselection (mate copying) as attribute for a men?Every man I've ever come across who is a long-term sexual failure follows the EXACT same pattern - he's physically unattractive, and the hundreds of harsh rejections has damaged his confidence. Ultimately, the fact he's ugly alone will be the deal breaker for women before they even get to the fact that other women haven't found him attractive in the past, but the lack of pre-selection would be blatantly obvious to the woman anyway just by looking at him. I've used a term previously called assume… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 10:25 PM |
| 10 | Is there nuance in the philosophy that "career women" are a turn-off?Not every "career woman" is a ruthless boss b*tch who only cares about money and power The difference in opinion on this sub can always come down to men recognise trends and women thinking trends are irrelevant because "everyone is different". If career women are more likely to be combative, competitive, ruthless, and look down on men who don't earn as much as them or match their ambition, then men are going to target a different demographic of women because that's not what most of them are look… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 10:03 PM |
| 10 | Study: Most romantic relationships start as friendshipsI think it's worth making a distinction between friend and friend-zone. 2 people who are introduced to each other socially by a mutual friend may end up hanging out a bit and gradually their flirting and sexual tension leads to them hooking up or forming a relationship. The fact they were hanging out before they made it a romantic thing technically means they were "friends first". That's a fair bit different to a guy pining after a female friend for years who is out there banging guys she is gen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 04:41 PM |
| 3 | Do women really care about social status?Look at the amount of groupies men get when they become celebrities compared to before they were famous.. It's literally night and day. Fame is an extreme example though. Examples of status for a young guy trying to get laid might be being on the highschool/college football team, being a club promoter, hosting parties. Job is a big part of status too - cashier at mcdonalds is low status in the eyes of women. A guy who is a Lawyer is higher status in the eyes of women. Living at home with parents… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/21 11:50 PM |
| 24 | Women do think physical attractiveness is important. It's just not impossibly high standards. Just don't be a neckbeard.Yet more intellectual dishonesty from Lillthofbabylon. The implication here is that what makes a man physically unattractive is not shaving his neck hair. And that if he shaved his neck hair and had a shower then suddenly he'll be able to get dates. It's just laughable. If a man has ugly facial features, is short, small frame, bald, ethnic minority - the overwhelming majority of women will not give him the time of day and will be openly hostile towards him if he ever made a romantic approach. No… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/21 11:35 PM |
| 4 | Only women's dating problems are solvableYes and no. If for example we turned all men into 7s, 8s, 9s and 10s tomorrow, do you think the guys who are turned into a 7/10 would be the equivalent of the elephant man today? The 7s are the ugliest men on the planet in this hypothetical world, but you can't convince me that they'll be treated the same way the current ugliest men in the world are treated today (the 0/10s and 1/10s). Even if your theory was true, it would take multiple generations for the standards to adjust to a point whereby… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/21 11:04 PM |
| 18 | Why is being “her best” your responsibility?It's quite simple, a person's perception of quality is relative to their previous experience. A virgin woman who experiences 6/10 sex and that's all she's ever known, is much more likely to be satisfied and fulfilled with this than a woman who has had better sex with 20 other partners previously. She is more likely to be dissatisfied and unfulfilled in the relationship, more likely to cheat, more likely to end the relationship, more likely to monkeybranch to the next guy. Even if she stays with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/21 11:40 PM |
| 3 | "Ugly" men are just not putting enough effort while having very high expectations.If porn was turning men fussy the 250 pound woman wouldn't be swimming in DMs. You're talking in individual cases rather than widespread population. Women on here deny the bl*ck pill for men every day and suggest that men just need to take a shower and get a better personality. Well done to you for admitting it's truth at least. It's unrealistic to expect hundreds of millions of unattractive men across the globe to get surgery as most can't afford it. Women maximise their looks to get attention … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/21 11:11 AM |
| 3 | "Ugly" men are just not putting enough effort while having very high expectations.And the messages they receive? Guys are messaging them and trying to meet up, this is an undeniable reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/21 10:37 PM |
| 5 | "Ugly" men are just not putting enough effort while having very high expectations.You really cannot make the connection? Who are the hundreds of guys messaging the 250 pound woman? You think it's the good looking guys? Unattractive men are messaging the 250 pound woman, and this is all the evidence you need that they do not have high standards. Will you find examples of ugly man with high standards? Yes sure because we live on a planet of 7 billion people, you will find anecdotal evidence of absolutely everything. In the grand scheme of things, the statistics and observable r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/21 10:33 PM |
| 12 | "Ugly" men are just not putting enough effort while having very high expectations.You didn't respond to my post. Why, if ugly men have high standards, do 250 pound women have hundreds of men in their DM's? You'd rather go by the anecdote of a random woman on the internet over actual widespread observable reality and statistics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/21 03:27 PM |
| 121 | "Ugly" men are just not putting enough effort while having very high expectations.These posts about unattractive men having high standards are just not backed up by reality. Why can a 250 pound woman put up a dating profile and get hundreds of matches and messages within the hour? Because ugly men do not have high standards, they are biologically programmed to not be fussy and take what is available to them. As for not putting effort into their appearance, 95% of men's attractiveness comes from factors out of their control - face, height, frame, hairline, race. If you're ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/21 01:23 PM |
| 1 | Are there men who actually PREFER an average woman over a stunning one?A lot of men prefer closer to average women because Average women will get less attention from attractive and high value men, so there is less competition Stunning woman who is way more attractive than her boyfriend holds a lot more power in the relationship, and is more likely to want to upgrade to a man who is on her level. She will have not only have infinitely more dating options than her boyfriend, she'll be able to attract men who are better than her boyfriend so there's a much greater cha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/21 06:39 PM |
| 1 | Do women actually sexually assault & harass men as much as men to women?It's almost certainly not as common as male on female, but the numbers are skewed by under-reporting from men. Feminists favourite saying when misandry is pointed out to them is "the oppressor cannot be oppressed". And then they say men don't report or express themselves because of their toxic masculinity. It's almost genius that feminists can both ridicule and shut down male emotions and at the same time blame the patriarchy for ridiculing and shutting down male emotions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/21 04:58 PM |
| – | How many of the men complaining about the dating scene are actually worthy of dating?Of course they're not date-worthy in the literal context because date-worthyness of a man is dictated by women's preferences and standards. If a man is short, bald, ugly - women will not find him worthy of dating because they are biologically programmed to have high standards and be very selective, and that's all that matters. What I will say though, is these unsuccessful guys are no objectively worse than their female counterparts in terms of attributes. Women aren't swimming in options because… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/21 11:29 PM |
| 0 | Someone has to say it...men your OLD profiles are overwhelmingly terribleFinally an honest woman on here! I hope you repeat this truth to the hundreds of women on here that gaslight men telling them that a man's looks aren't the problem and it must be that they all have terrible personalities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/21 08:15 PM |
| 0 | What are your thoughts on men wearing wigsmI always hate how we talk about "social stigma" as if it's separate from individual human opinions and preferences. Social stigmas are mostly derived from the preferences of the opposite sex in mate selection. When we say there is a stigma against short men, men who still live with their mom, men who are emotionally vulnerable, men who wear wigs to hide their balding... all that means is women are generally repulsed by these things and so we've culturally adopted that observation and they are no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/21 11:57 AM |
| 2 | Q4M: For men who believe your looks are the primary reason you struggle with women, please describe your physical looks?I think the point people miss on being unattractive is you might be able to get away with 1 or 2 below average features, but it's when you have MULTIPLE unattractive traits where it starts to become a major problem to the point the large majority of women will find you ugly. It also depends how far below average your particular features are, you may be able to get away with a slightly receded hairline for example, but that doesn't mean you can get away with being completely bald. Likewise you ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/21 10:59 PM |
| 6 | It is true all women want different things in a guy but the preferences are quite one dimensional.I've said this before. Women will be like "I like 5ft 11 blonde hair handsome guy with no tattoos, and my friend prefers the 6ft 3 dark haired tanned handsome guy with tattoos. See we're all different teehee". Having a difference of opinion on which chad is hotter is not "women are all different". What you'll never hear is any of them saying they have a preference for a 5ft 6 narrow shouldered bald guy with glasses, a recessed chin and a big nose. Physical attractive is mostly objective, women w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/21 09:56 PM |
| 3 | Women shouldn't expect to be paid for on the first few datesMen want a woman who finds him special. Women feel inclined to treat men better if and only if they think he is special. Why don't women pay in this case? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/21 09:46 PM |
| 9 | New Data from the Telegraph indicate that levels of sexlessness among young men are still steadily increasing, just 34% of male University students report being sexually active while studying at University and 43% report never having had sex.Feminists don't want women to have to reject men all the time, they don't want low value men approaching women because women don't want to talk to ugly men. And yet the advice on here to ugly men is that they need to put themselves out there more and take more risks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/21 10:24 AM |
| 2 | New Data from the Telegraph indicate that levels of sexlessness among young men are still steadily increasing, just 34% of male University students report being sexually active while studying at University and 43% report never having had sex.Women might have a negative view of men in general, but they're still banging the attractive ones. And the sort of guys who are having sex with a new woman every week - do you think these are the guys who "respect" women? The sort who won't ask for nudes or send nudes themselves? The sort who don't participate in locker room talk? Do me a favour.. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 10:03 PM |
| – | New Data from the Telegraph indicate that levels of sexlessness among young men are still steadily increasing, just 34% of male University students report being sexually active while studying at University and 43% report never having had sex.talking to a girl and potentially being rejected. So there is an element of self-infliction wrt this. Feminists tell us that women are being harrassed every time they step foot out the house and that men need to leave women alone because the constant stream of guys hitting on them is unwanted. And when these statistics are brought up we're told that the majority of guys are afraid of speaking to girl... Something doesn't quite add up here. Imagine if these low valuen ugly virgins actually did ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 09:44 PM |
| 18 | New Data from the Telegraph indicate that levels of sexlessness among young men are still steadily increasing, just 34% of male University students report being sexually active while studying at University and 43% report never having had sex.Sorry but being a university student 18-25 should be your sex-having prime. If you're not getting any action as a student then you're in big trouble. Some of these guys will eventually get settled for once they're 30 and the blue pillers on here will point to them and say "see! I told you non-chads are killing it in the dating realm!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 09:40 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Explain to me how an older man manipulates a younger woman (18+)If you prefer we can use the term "good looking attractive man"? That doesn't change the point that anything you apply to older men can also be applied to younger men. Labelling them fuckboys doesn't mean they avoid them. Young women on social media are forever posting "why do I always fall for the fuckboys hahaha" and their fellow women will respond "this is so me! Why are we like this?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/21 03:20 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: Explain to me how an older man manipulates a younger woman (18+)How incredibly demeaning and insulting to young women. Do you think everything that comes out their mouth is immature and stupid, and only a fellow young immature stupid boy could appreciate it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/21 10:34 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: Explain to me how an older man manipulates a younger woman (18+)You think young chads who are out there getting laid every week in nightclubs, tinder and at parties have any intention of wife-ing these women? Not a chance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/21 10:30 PM |
| 10 | Q4All: Explain to me how an older man manipulates a younger woman (18+)I don't see how this only applies to older men? Loads of young guys are putting on a front to impress women so they can sleep with them, most young women get messed around by a young chad at least once in their life which is why they're on social media complaining about men all the time. Why do the older guys get separated into a different category of "old creep"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/21 05:39 PM |
| 27 | Most Legitimately Average Men Don't Have Such A Huge Problem With Having SexYou're setting the bar too low for what you consider a successful sex life. A lot of average men go on long dry spells of years, if not decades between sexual partners. So what if a guy has lost his virginity? If he loses his virginity at 18 and doesn't touch a woman again until he's 27 then the blue pilled on here will have him down as a success story in their statistics. The context around the individuals are important, a lot of men are going through years of loneliness before they convince a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/21 06:52 PM |
| 4 | Is Chad what is considered a High Value Male (HMV)? What qualities make someone a HMV?The autistic guy you speak of is tiny minority I mentioned. If a guy has the looks and social skills to be banging a new side piece every week, he can get a relationship. Let's not be silly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/21 03:42 PM |
| 8 | Is Chad what is considered a High Value Male (HMV)? What qualities make someone a HMV?The idea of a man being good looking and socially competent enough to get laid whenever he wants but can't get a long term relationship is absurd to me. It will be such a tiny minority of these guys who have such personality defects that none of the dozens of women he sleeps with in a year will stay with him. It's much more likely he just doesn't want a relationship when he can sleep around with ease, and when he gets bored of it he'll settle down eventually. I know a few of these guys. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/21 03:34 PM |
| 3 | Height fallacy with red pillNeeding to meet a woman's minimum looks threshold in terms of face, height, race, hair, frame is also "just logic". Women on the whole are not banging 5ft5 ugly bald men because he acts "cool". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/21 08:45 PM |
| 2 | The men like beauty women like success thing is greatly exaggerated.A man can wear subtle bits of make up that some people won't notice, but it's not going to transform him from a 4 to an 8 like these women do in their make up tutorials. The amount of make up needed to transform these women means it's completely obvious that they're wearing make up. I've spoken to women about dating men wearing make up and they think it's weird. I'm sure you'll find some who disagree, there's 7 billion people on the planet so you'll find a wide array of views if you look hard en… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/21 08:12 PM |
| 3 | Effective Flirting Is The Most Important Dating Skill for MenLoads of women fall in love with guys treating them like dirt. And on the flip side they friendzone dozens of guys in their lifetime who cherished them because they weren't sexy or exciting enough. Guy in option 2 needs to meet a minimum looks threshold also, the elephant man isn't going to have much luck making her feel valued and cherished when she can't even stand to look at him or be seen with him in public. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/21 07:49 PM |
| 1 | The men like beauty women like success thing is greatly exaggerated.90% of women's artificial looksmaxing comes from make up. The make up before and afters you see online can transform a 4/10 to an 8/10, it's actually absurd - they don't even look like the same person. Let me ask you, if men could simply apply make up and go from 4/10 to an 8/10, do you really think they wouldn't be doing it? If a man applies a face full of make up in the way women do, he will look like a drag queen and women will be turned off. 95% of a man's attractiveness he has no control ov… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/21 05:42 PM |
| 1 | The uncomfortable truth in the dating realm: women have to be, men have to become.Delusional. Pure delusion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/21 03:16 PM |
| 0 | The uncomfortable truth in the dating realm: women have to be, men have to become.Why do red pill men brag about how money improves their SMV when all it does is make them a beta bux, the very thing they mock? It's complete red pill delusion that young attractive women are climbing over each other to have casual sex with a 42 year old balding guy with a decent amount of money. At best this guy will attract post wall former promiscuous women who are looking to settle down with a beta provider so they can suck up his resources. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/21 11:48 AM |
| 4 | The uncomfortable truth in the dating realm: women have to be, men have to become.Hate to break it to you but a man with an ugly face is ugly no matter his height. A man being in the bottom 30% of facial attractiveness is also a death sentence in the dating market. I understand being exceptionally short is rough, but you don't need to perpetuate the myth that tall guys get gifted everything on a platter, if a tall guy isn't at least decent looking in the face then they don't meet the minimum looks threshold either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/21 11:21 AM |
| 9 | The uncomfortable truth in the dating realm: women have to be, men have to become."The women will come eventually" - yes some 35 year old women will come around looking for a beta bux. It's complete red pill delusion that young attractive women are clamouring after a 38 year old balding man who's had very little sexual success in the past but is quite successful in his career. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/21 10:45 AM |
| 5 | Men will continue to suffer in silence as long as women prioritize confidence over emotional opennessFunnily enough, when women feel ashamed of their bodies or ashamed of their promiscuity - then it's men's fault and the patriarchy's fault for setting unrealistic expectations on women that negatively affects their mental health. But no equivalent responsibility is placed on women for the way their preferences in men affect men's mental health. Interesting little insight into the hypocrisy of modern feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/21 09:58 PM |
| 4 | If RedPill is wrong, then how can we explain the appeal of muscular men?I didn't say skinny guys can't get a girlfriend. With a population of 7 billion people, do you really think it's a "gotcha" moment when you see a short guy with a girlfriend, or a skinny guy with a girlfriend? Of course there's loads of them, just due to sheer sample size if anything. What I did say is the majority of women have a preference for above average height, and above average muscle mass. In particular, having below average muscle and below average height will mean you have far fewer da… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/21 10:17 PM |
| 2 | If RedPill is wrong, then how can we explain the appeal of muscular men?I think you've misunderstood the badboy appeal. The main difference between nice guy vs bad boy is nice guys crawl over broken glass to make a woman feel special and wanted, to the point they're signalling that the woman is above them and this in turn makes the man look low value, which tends to repulse a lot of women. Bad boys tend to not hand out validation to women and therefore make them doubt their desirability, they will use other females to make the others jealous and generally just have … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/21 02:43 PM |
| 6 | How important are muscles to find a relationship?Muscles doesn't even break the top 5 most important factors in physical attractiveness unfortunately. Face, height are obviously more important, and then I'd rank frame, race and hair as more important than muscle also. Having said that, muscle mass is one of the few physical attributes that you have some control over so you would be mad not to take advantage of that by lifting weights and staying low body fat. If a guy is short, bald and ugly, let's not kid ourselves that lifting weights will m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/21 11:24 AM |
| 1 | How important are muscles to find a relationship?This is the wrong way round. A woman looking at a man who has just approached her at a bar cannot tell how much he can lift. All she cares about is if he looks in shape. She's not sat in on his gym sessions checking how much he can deadlift to decide whether he gets a date. Her eyes tell her whether he looks good physically and that's all that matters. Realistically, any man who has decent muscle mass or looks like he lifts is very likely to have above average strength and can easily lift up a w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/21 11:18 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women often think their SMV is higher than it is not because of looks, but because of their personalityWomen in general do tend to believe the reason they have dating options is because they have a good personality, and their advice to unsuccessful men tends to reflect that. You see it on this forum it's always "your personality is the problem, be more confident, get more hobbies". What she doesn't realise is that her personality or hobbies are no better than that of our your average lonely man, it's just she was born female so has men attracted to her by default Now, I've found chads do the same… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/21 06:57 PM |
| 1 | Is male status overrated?I think the obvious example how of how status matters is the abundance of sexual options male celebrities have. Some of these men would be lucky to get a date in 2021 if they were normal guys but put some notoriety/fame around them and they're swimming in options. Now, that's an extreme example but status exists in other forms. The American stereotype of the captain of the football team banging half the school may be a little clichéd but it has some truth to it. Ultimately, being a man people re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/21 06:05 PM |
| 5 | What to do about low status/unattractive men? Has our society done enough to supplement them with alternatives?There have been major social changes over the last few decades that have lead women to viewing more and more men as beneath them in terms of dating Women now earn their own money, they do not need to rely on a man to provide for them so an average income man is not worth what he was in times gone by. Women can always rely on daddy government welfare also. There is less social pressure to settle down and marry, casual sex is glamourised and encouraged so women don't need to settle. They can sleep… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/21 02:04 PM |
| 2 | Do you think beauty is subjective or objective?Women like to gaslight everyone with "looks are subjective" narrative. All that means is whilst her female friend prefers dark haired 6ft 3 masculine facial features chad, she herself prefers 5ft 11 blonde blue eyes pretty boy chad. "We're all so different teehee". So whilst you can't deny subjectivity, you'll be searching for a long long time to find a woman who subjectively prefers short, scrawny, ugly bald men. Let's not go tell the elephant man that there's endless women who find him hot bec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/21 02:09 PM |
| 1 | There is NO correct way of approaching women without potentially coming off as creepy or intrusiveWomen will interpret a perfectly socially calibrated approach from an ugly man as creepy, they do it all the time. Your attempts to justify women's shallowness in their judgement of men is quite hilarious - "no, no, their behaviour must be creepy, the hot guys are all creepy too but they just get away with it". If you are aware of the halo effect you must also be aware of the horns effect. Your interpretation is Behaviour is creepy > that behaviour gets upgraded to non-creepy for hot guys becaus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/21 11:31 PM |
| 2 | There is NO correct way of approaching women without potentially coming off as creepy or intrusiveAttractiveness is closely related to symmetrical features which why i mentioned facial deformity. It doesn’t have to be anything drastic. This person only mentioned their height as being unattractive so that’s what my explanation was based on. also... don’t under estimate the power of hair and beard. It can truly change a man. Your statistics tie up quite nicely with what I said though surely? I said a certain percentage of men are just genetically ugly to the majority of women so will have a ve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/21 08:47 PM |
| 3 | There is NO correct way of approaching women without potentially coming off as creepy or intrusiveYou're 1 (forgiving) woman though.. At the end of the day, if your typical woman is minding her own business and an ugly man starts speaking to her and he has excellent social skills, she will very likely to be creeped out because she is either not in the mood to speak to strangers never in the mood to speak to ugly men - it's a waste of her time as she would never be interested in them no matter how well they come across in conversation Sure, he could use his social savvy to recognise early on … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/21 08:04 PM |
| 5 | There is NO correct way of approaching women without potentially coming off as creepy or intrusiveaintenance. And... wearing cologne is super attractive, coming from a woman. My ex was 5’8 but had all those things (plus ofc we got along well) which is why i found him attractive. There seems to be a prevailing myth that you need to be deformed to have an ugly face... Ugly facial features are incredibly common in men, and we know women have very high standards for finding a face they like the look of. At the very least the bottom 20% of men are genetically ugly in women's eyes - realistically … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/21 07:53 PM |
| 9 | There is NO correct way of approaching women without potentially coming off as creepy or intrusiveBecause the things that you can't change are what actually determine whether you're attractive - face, height, frame, race, hairline/density. A trim and a nice shirt will do nothing for an ugly short balding man. It's sprinkling glitter on dogshit as they say. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/21 07:50 PM |
| 2 | What % of men are not stunning but just about fuckable if they have other desirable traits?You conveniently missed my points that addressed this issue. "Just find someone on your level" cannot work for all unattractive men because the number of unattractive men exceeds the number of women who are willing to pair with unattractive men, so there will always be a huge surplus of ugly men who are lonely. The women "on their level" are also being pursued by average and good looking men, so the competition again is such that they're fighting a losing battle and there will be a surplus of un… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/21 08:18 PM |
| 3 | What % of men are not stunning but just about fuckable if they have other desirable traits?I am not arguing the bottom 40% of men have good personalities. I'm simply arging by your own admission, it's completely irrelevant whether they have good personalities or not because they're too hideous for it to matter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/21 08:13 PM |
| 3 | What % of men are not stunning but just about fuckable if they have other desirable traits?Then you have missed the point of the original question surely? The question was, what % of men are fuckable providing they have other desirable traits e.g. a good personality. Have you answered the wrong question? If 60% of men are fuckable providing they have a good personality, then by extension 40% men are unfuckable even if they have a good personality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/21 09:29 PM |
| 3 | What % of men are not stunning but just about fuckable if they have other desirable traits?Of course it depends on the woman. But you must agree that not every man on the earth is a potential partner to you even if he had a good personality, because an awful lot of them you find physically gross. The point is, a certain percentage of men are so genetically unattractive that they are very likely to struggle in the dating market because the overwhelming majority of women will agree that they're too repulsive. Now, what that percentage is is up for debate, it may be the bottom 10%, botto… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/21 09:12 PM |
| 3 | What % of men are not stunning but just about fuckable if they have other desirable traits?You didn't really answer my point. By your own admission bottom 40% of men are unfuckable no matter their personality. The point the manosphere always made was that a certain percentage of men are genetically unattractive to large majority of women and so they're unlikely to have dating success even if they worked on their personality and social skills. Your own numbers kind of proved that to be true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/21 09:02 PM |
| 2 | What % of men are not stunning but just about fuckable if they have other desirable traits?Telling a man who is 5ft6 with an ugly face, narrow shoulders and a receding hairline that he just needs to be lean and get a haircut to be top 20% is beyond delusional. The large majority of a man's attractiveness comes from factors he cannot control - facial features, height, race, frame, hairline/density. If you're getting into the realm of taking drugs and getting transplants - you're entering the world of severe cosmetic, pharmacological and surgical intervention. And this is the only way f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/21 07:49 PM |
| 6 | What % of men are not stunning but just about fuckable if they have other desirable traits?Personality helps attraction once the man has met the minimum looks threshold of the given woman. And a man's looks effects the way women view his personality (halo effect). You're not going to bang the elephant man because he's got a good personality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/21 07:32 PM |
| 5 | What % of men are not stunning but just about fuckable if they have other desirable traits?So let's say 60% men are fuckable, and only 15% are ugly. What about the other 25%? I think you've been caught out on the numbers here. If 60% of men are fuckable, 40% are unfuckable and therefore ugly. Which is kind of the point the manosphere have been making all along. A significant % of men are genetically unattractive to the overwhelming majority of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/21 07:30 PM |
| 1 | For both genders, in terms of who you want to go on a first date with, physical attractiveness is most important, and if personality matters, it is only among those who are already attractive enoughThat is the advice though. From what you've said the 2 keys to this method of dating is Be friends with a woman first Spend enough time with her that her minimum looks threshold lowers to the point she doesn't find you gross anymore It's a terrible scenario to be in as the guy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/21 05:22 PM |
| 1 | For both genders, in terms of who you want to go on a first date with, physical attractiveness is most important, and if personality matters, it is only among those who are already attractive enoughMen are told every day by feminists to stop approaching women because they find it intimidating and creepy, and it's oppressive harassment. So good luck convincing the next generation of men to cold approach.. Also, the abundance of options online directly affects people's standards in real life. In decades gone by women were restricted to meeting men within their social proximity in real life, if a 5/10 guy is the first guy who has made a move on her in weeks then she may have to take what she … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/21 09:47 PM |
| 1 | For both genders, in terms of who you want to go on a first date with, physical attractiveness is most important, and if personality matters, it is only among those who are already attractive enoughlonger If the minimum bar lowers, it wasn't really the minimum bar. The point is realistically the bottom tier of men don't go from unfuckable to desirable because they've known a woman a few weeks. The number of genetically unattractive men exceeds the number of women willing to sleep with genetically unattractive men, and of the small % of women with a low looks threshold, ugly guys are also competing with average to good looking guys for those women. Suggesting men hang around in the friend z… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/21 09:19 PM |
| 11 | Hello RPs and other men (perhaps) alike, why do tattoos bother or not bother you? Does it make you see the woman as less or undesirable?into a LTR. I don’t see the point in holding a different set of standards for platonic vs romantic relationships. Most people are a reflection of the company they keep so if they have differing standards it shows some hypocritical leanings They are shameful, they are mocked mercilessly. Doesn't make sense to hold different standards for platonic and romantic relationships? That is absurd. If you're dealing with a woman who has a higher than average probability for having an STI, infidelity, divo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/21 02:07 PM |
| 23 | Hello RPs and other men (perhaps) alike, why do tattoos bother or not bother you? Does it make you see the woman as less or undesirable?Yet again people miss the point with the whole "why don't you hold men to the same standard?" Straight men do not set the standard for what is attractive/desirable in men, women do. Why would a straight man care what other men do? They're not looking to date or marry men so it's inconsequential. Women have the power to make anything shameful for men that they deem undesirable and they do utilise that power - that's why being short, living with parents, being weak, being broke etc. are considered… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/21 01:11 PM |
| 32 | 28 yo kissless virgin guy tries online dating and has instant success! (how common is it for men to be unaware of their SMV ?)It's amazing how we can have the feminist narrative of how sexually aggressive men are and how all women are fed up of men harrassing them every day wherever they go, and at the same time have others pushing the narrative that men on the whole don't make moves even when they're invited to because they're worried about being creepy. Not criticising, just thought it was interesting how 2 polar oppposite observations can be prevalent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/21 10:57 PM |
| 9 | Platonic relationships with women aren’t the magical panacea for sexually unsuccesful men, and in the case of a friendship with a high N woman, they can be harmful.Anyone who has ever been to college/university for example will know there's a plethora of guys who have female friends in their social circle but can't get laid to save their lives. Having female friends might signify a minimum level of social competence, but it's nowhere near enough to get consistent sexual success. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/21 10:38 AM |
| 2 | How do you see the "friend zone"?Again, the existence of the friendzone isn't up for debate - it's a term to describe a situation whereby 1 person is sexually interested in another who doesn't feel the same and just wants to be friends. To deny the friendzone exists would be to deny the situation I described doesn't exist, which would be absurd. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/21 10:30 PM |
| 1 | How do you see the "friend zone"?You say it doesn't exist, and then you've preceded to explain what types of guys you put in the friendzone. LOL. The existence of the friendzone isn't up for debate, it's a term to describe a situation whereby 1 person is sexually interested in another who doesn't feel the same and just wants to be friends. To deny the friendzone exist would be to deny the situation I describe doesn't exist, which would be absurd. Now, if you're arguing guys being in the friendzone is their own fault, that's ano… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/21 10:27 PM |
| 3 | [Q4All]How often do you see ugly people of the opposite gender?When we talk about women finding men ugly, obviously it may be rare that a man will be so hideous that she will actively notice him in a crowd and feel like throwing up. Most ugly men are invisible to her, and she may even describe him as "he's just not my type". The true question of being ugly will be answered will be when there is a proposition of being physical with said man. If this man she describes as "average" tried to make a sexual advance towards her, or tried to kiss her, that's when s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/21 09:23 PM |
| 1 | Men in this sub focus so much on high-n women because they’re the women they’re viscerally attracted toThe online dating statistics and experiments do not show this in the slightest. Unattractive women are getting infinite amount of matches and messages online, so the idea that the majority of sexually unsuccessful men are just trying to get with models doesn't have any basis in reality. Women swipe right less than 15% of the time, most guys don't meet their minimum looks threshold. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/21 09:35 PM |
| 1 | Men in this sub focus so much on high-n women because they’re the women they’re viscerally attracted toavoid women who they find remotely unattractive in any way like the plague itself 💀. If most incels were willing to change their personalities to become better people, and dated within their league, they would have no problem finding a girlfriend, maybe even a wife in the future. Many women maybe, but still a very small minority. Go upload an obese woman profile on a dating site and see the amount of men trying to date her, you will be shocked. On the flip side, below average looking men are bas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/21 10:03 PM |
| 3 | Men in this sub focus so much on high-n women because they’re the women they’re viscerally attracted toSome being the key word. I said most, not all. So I'm not even sure if you're disagreeing with me. Are the majority of modern single women long term celibate when they're "between relationships" while looking for the right guy? Most of them are either in the casual sex game to tide them over, or have a string of short term relationships back to back until they settle on the right one. And that's ignoring the "party years" at school and university where they can rack up the high N. I also said re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/21 03:45 PM |
| 6 | CMV: The 80/20 rule only exists because men weren’t as pressured as women to uphold their own beauty standards.Do you think if men had the option of putting on a face full of make up and go from a 4/10 to an 8/10, they wouldn't do it? Of course they would. They'd do anything to get laid. They just don't have the option. If a guy turns up on a date with the layers of transformational make up that women wear then his date will think he looks like a drag queen... large majority of women would not be attracted to a man wearing make up, and he would also open himself up to having his masculinity questioned by… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/21 03:26 PM |
| 19 | Men in this sub focus so much on high-n women because they’re the women they’re viscerally attracted toI think you're missing a key point. Genuinely loyal, low N women are already settled down in long term relationships, or married at a relatively young age. So they're off the market. A man seeking a partner in the dating market is only really encountering single women. Single women are much more likely to be the promiscuous sort. Single men are primarily made up of physically unattractive men who struggle to get a relationship, and high N men who have so many options that they'd prefer to stay s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/21 01:45 PM |
| 35 | What is commonly said by people of your sex on PPD that you feel doesn't represent your personal experience?There's some common red pill delusions from men I see The idea that a man's sexual market value increases with age and peaks around 40. The idea that attractive young women are clamouring to get with a "successful" 40 year old bloke is just pure delusion. If you ask a group of hot 21 year old women whether they'd be interested in banging a 39 year old man they'd probably throw up in their mouths. Overwhelming majority of young attractive women are sleeping with guys around their own age or a few… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/21 11:46 AM |
| 1 | [Q4All] Do you think any man can Be a “player”?Have you ever noticed these anecdotes about non-chads getting laid are always "he was average looking", "he wasn't particularly good looking", "he wasn't a male model". It's never "he was ugly", "he was noticeably below average", "I knew this hideous guy.." Of course decent looking guys can get laid. The argument is that if you drop below a certain looks threshold then the majority of women will simply find you too unattractive no matter what else you offer. That average-decent looking range, th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/21 10:38 PM |
| 1 | Men are the ones creating male hierarchies pushing "weaker" men down.Men shame men and women shame women in part due to sexual competition, if you can lower another person's social value and thereby boost your own value in comparison then it can benefit you. The question is where do the shameful, low value traits come from, how did they become known as low value traits in the first place? Women set the standard for what qualities are attractive in men, and what is unattractive. Men are quite often just reacting to the hierarchy that women's natural preferences ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/21 03:55 PM |
| 2 | Men Respect Women Who Like Sex More Than Those Who Withhold ItMost men don't mind a potential wife withholding sex in the early stages. What they do mind, is when the same woman has been having casual sex in her past (and likely present), and then they make him wait for months because she sees him as a beta chump. If she withholds sex she better be consistent with it, otherwise the guy will take it as an insult. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/21 10:45 PM |
| 5 | For a legit HVM, what does he get out of dating an FDS woman? What's in it for him?hygi How about - He has to organise a first date where he has to pay for the "privilege" of spending time with a chubby 32 year old woman that he barely knows. And this first date can't be cheap or casual either, and every subsequent date he has to plan and pay for also. - An expensive engagement ring - we've seen enough threads about how the engagement ring they'd been given wasn't costly or flashy enough. Let me ask, what "kind gestures" are the FDS women showing to the HVM? What effort are th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/03/21 11:50 PM |
| 4 | Question to those who believe personality does matterEveryone believes personality matters. The point men make is they find they need to meet the minimum attractiveness threshold before their personality matters. If a woman thinks a man is ugly, his personality is irrelavant in almost all cases. The more attractive you get, the less personality matters. Jeremy Meeks didn't need to display a good personality, his face was enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/21 07:08 PM |
| 1 | is the pandemic making men on dating apps more sexually aggressive?Feminism pushed to normalise and de-stigmatise instantaneous and casual sex - and now women are complaining that men are trying to get quick and easy casual sex.. If women wanted men to have the mentality that they need to go on 10 dates before sex like a gentleman, maybe they should have kept that standard rather than glamourise and encourage our current "fuckbuddy" culture. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/21 07:02 PM |
| 1 | Sluts aren’t bad people they are just poor choices for traditional monogamous relationships.The mental gymnastics some of you play is amazing. High n women have higher divorce rates, lower relationship satisfaction, higher infidelity, more STD's, higher chance of personality disorders - the man is just making a logical decision based on behaviour and personality traits. Just like a woman makes a logical decision based on whether she thinks she'll have more long term happiness with a man who is funny, ambitious, masculine etc. Asking if men get shamed for having positive traits is reall… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/21 06:53 PM |
| 1 | Sluts aren’t bad people they are just poor choices for traditional monogamous relationships.You're not making a moral judgement, you're judging their suitability as your long term partner. Surely the fact people can't control their height makes it more unfair to judge them for it? It makes far more sense to judge someone's suitability as a partner based on their behaviour. Forget height if you think that's somehow an invalid comparison. Let's focus on behaviour. - A woman who wants a man who is self assured and confident even if she isn't herself - A woman who wants a man who is funny … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/21 01:21 AM |
| 1 | Sluts aren’t bad people they are just poor choices for traditional monogamous relationships.It's ok for a woman to want a man who's at least 6ft as long as she's 6ft herself. It's ok for a woman to want a man who's funny as long as she's hilarious herself. See how silly this sounds? Not meeting your own preferences doesn't make you a hypocrite, we're not looking for mirror images of ourselves. What does make you a hypocrite is thinking you can't be judged for the same factors you judge others. If you're a guy who thinks a woman shouldn't be able to judge you negatively for being high… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/21 11:26 PM |
| 2 | Being tall doesn't automatically mean hot. So many men think women have unrealistic look standards for men because they don't know what women find attractive.I really hope you don't work in any form of research or statistical field if you don't understand selection bias. Do you think short men are going after WNBA players or something? "Go for short women", jeez i bet they've never tried that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/21 12:59 PM |
| 8 | CMW: Most men (especially those who struggle with dating) vastly underestimate the importance of style and aesthetics in luring in women to date or have sex with.This is pure delusion. No one can tell the price of a suit or watch from looking at it for a start. And a woman wanting to use a man for his money is not the same type of attraction that genuinely good looking men get. Why don't we put out a picture onlinr of an average 5/10 man in a nice suit and see if he gets as much female attention as Jeremy Meeks. Trying to show off your wealth doesn't signal confidence either, it signals "please can I be your beta bux because I have nothing else to offer"… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/21 12:55 PM |
| 2 | Being tall doesn't automatically mean hot. So many men think women have unrealistic look standards for men because they don't know what women find attractive.So we've established that "you just need to be taller than her" is nonsense. If your every day 5ft 2 female has 20 guys in her inbox at any one time, is she realistically going to choose the guy who is 5ft 6? She has too many options to be settling for short men. She'd rather be single and wait for someone who is a decent height to come along. We regularly hear short women say they want a tall man so she doesn't have short kids. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/21 12:48 PM |
| 2 | Being tall doesn't automatically mean hot. So many men think women have unrealistic look standards for men because they don't know what women find attractive.The issue with asking women is there's a selection bias in that the ones who don't care about height are more likely to reply with their answer. Shallow women aren't going to want to advertise their shallowness. And then you have the issue of virtue signalling for those who do answer, there's an incentive not to be 100% honest. Below average height men are regularly told by women straight up that they're too short, and that's obviously not counting all the "soft" rejections they get whereby heig… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/21 12:54 AM |
| 1 | Being tall doesn't automatically mean hot. So many men think women have unrealistic look standards for men because they don't know what women find attractive.I like this approach in theory even though I don't agree with the rating scale. The obvious flaw is not every aspect of physical features is created equal. Whilst they all matter, face is more important than height, and height is more important than muscle for example. Also, your estimations for height ratings are ludicrous. I've known guys who are 5'10 who absolutely slay. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/21 12:43 AM |
| 0 | Being tall doesn't automatically mean hot. So many men think women have unrealistic look standards for men because they don't know what women find attractive.You're still spreading this nonsense I see. Most women who are 5'5 are not going to date a guy who is 5'6 just because he is technically taller than her. For a start if she wears heels she will tower above him. Whenever she goes out in public with him she's got the shortest man in the room, she is not getting the feeling she has a high status man who can protect her. Most women want a man who is noticeably taller than her when she's in heels, and doesn't look like a child next to other men. That… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/21 12:29 AM |
| 23 | CMW: Most men (especially those who struggle with dating) vastly underestimate the importance of style and aesthetics in luring in women to date or have sex with.Firstly on the tiktok you posted - most guys recognise wearing glasses makes you look worse, and removing the glasses is probably the biggest aspect of the glow up you posted. Sadly glasses for men are associated with being nerdy and low social value. Certain good looking guys can pull them off but almost everyone looks better without glasses, the issue is guys aren't wearing them because they think it looks good, it's because they have poor eyesight.. Secondly, whatever a man does with his hair… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/21 11:37 PM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: Just be confident bruhBeing socially comfortable and talkative seems to basically be the crux of it. The issue is, a 5ft 6 balding man with an ugly face is not going to be getting laid because he's socially comfortable and likes to chat. It might increase his chances of being an outlier, but it's not nearly enough to have an abundance of dating options, his romantic life will always be a struggle even if he lucks out with a girlfriend eventually. There's also the issue of the Halo effect whereby women assume good loo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/21 11:00 PM |
| 3 | What are some reasons why someone is attracted to you, that would offend/hurt you?Easy one for men - being the "safe option". She's had her fun with the casual sex in her teens and early 20s, she hates how men won't commit to her and mess her about. Up steps Mr. Average Joe, he's sweet, he's steady, he makes a decent wage and he's likely to be loyal (lacking in options). He's made to wait 5 dates for any physical intimacy because she "doesn't do hookups anymore", and frankly he's nothing much to look at so she had no problems making him wait because she never had much sexual … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/21 11:24 PM |
| 1 | "Being nice doesn't get you laid" and "Bullies have more sex partners" does not translate to "ALL WOMEN LOVE ASSHOLES! NICE GUYS FINISH LAST!"Jeremy Meeks is proof alone face is king. A single mugshot of just his face had thousands of women sending him money while he was locked in a cell. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/21 01:33 AM |
| 3 | "Being nice doesn't get you laid" and "Bullies have more sex partners" does not translate to "ALL WOMEN LOVE ASSHOLES! NICE GUYS FINISH LAST!"In the online age, if you're a truely good looking guy then it really doesn't take that much effort. I've know good looking guys getting very regular hook ups through dating apps with very little time put into the texting phase. And you go to a nightclub with these guys, women approaching them, women dancing all over them without so much as saying hello to each other. When the guy does the approaching, she puts up no barriers and she will have her tongue in his mouth within seconds. I suppose th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/21 01:30 AM |
| 1 | What really is the "spark"?Put it this way, let's take every guy who has ever been told "I like you as a friend, but there's just not that spark, I'm sorry". Let's turn all these guys into 6ft 3, broad shouldered, muscular male models with a fuckboy norwood 0 haircut. How many of these guys will be still stuck in the friendzone? Not many. I rest my case. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/21 06:33 PM |
| 2 | Do women carry extra weight better than men?Women gaining weight may not always be a plus overall, but they have the benefit that their ass/tits get bigger and their hips get wider. There's no advantage for a man getting fat. There's a lot of men who have a preference for larger women, and you can see from the "thicc" movement and the amount of chunkier women who have onlyfans accounts, and the popular BBW categories in porn shows that an awful lot of men find fat women attractive. You will almost never meet a woman who is into fat guys. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/21 06:27 PM |
| 1 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedThese categories are surely still too broad? I have had my ass pinched by women in nightclubs, and truely good looking men obviously get it even worse. The idea that I would be part of a statistic about "sexual violence" or "physical violence" feels a bit odd to me. If a woman opened up to me about a time she was horrifically sexually assaulted and I said "I know how you feel, I had my butt pinched by a flirtatious woman in a club once", she's probably not going to be too impressed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/21 12:05 AM |
| 2 | Q4W: What is the difference between romantic and sexual attraction for you?This is a rare thread that acknowledges the difference between physical and emotional attraction. When the subject of looks comes up you will hear blue pillers and women say "well surely it's better that your relationship is based on emotional connection rather than physical attraction, the attraction isn't enough to sustain a relationship" etc. The reason this is a silly argument is ugly men don't have a monopoly on emotional attraction. Firstly, being good looking will allow you to get easier … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/21 12:03 AM |
| 2 | Do women have a minimum looks threshold you need to pass or do they have a basic personality threshold you need to pass ?he line between healthy and unhealthy weights. Anyway, what's your idea of unhealthy skin? You're rare if you find 80% of men physically attractive enough to sleep with. Of all the things women can rule guys out for physically that he has no control over - being below a certain height limit, ugly facial features, racial minority, narrow/weak looking bone structure, balding, bad complexion, disability. I could go on, but you can see why for the large majority of women they only find a much smalle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/21 01:20 AM |
| 1 | Do women have a minimum looks threshold you need to pass or do they have a basic personality threshold you need to pass ?Both looks and personality have a minimum threshold. The issue is the looks threshold is completely ignored by blue pillers and women who pretend "women only really care about personality and confidence" and "you're just making excuses if you say your looks are a problem, it's your personality". And when both are acknowledged, the minimum personality threshold needed is overestimated, and minimum looks threshold is underestimated. Never forget, Jeremy Meeks is getting thousands of love letters a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/21 01:01 AM |
| 2 | If you want women, JUST BE INTERESTING.Quite often I hear my female friends say stuff like "I met this guy last week, 5ft 6 with ugly face and narrow shoulders and receding hairline - turns out he's really into cooking and loves cooking so much and it was so interesting so I slept with him". And then all the other women will be like "no fair, when you're done with him send him my way, I want a piece myself". Christ. People on here don't seem to be able to separate what triggers genuine physical attraction, and what might make you nic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/21 12:23 AM |
| 1 | Do you *want* to attract shallow women? When you complain about women with long list of requirements for sex/dating that you find ridiculous, are these the women you want to attract?This sort of logic only works if it's a small minority of women who have "shallow" standards. If getting rejected for superficial reasons is a rare occurence, sure you can laugh it off and move onto the next one. The issue is, there is no next one, because the next one will reject them for the same thing. And yes, there are plenty of women who aren't superificial, but how is this guy meant to find them and win out against all the competition? If 20% of women don't have high standards and 60% of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/21 12:43 AM |
| 1 | The reason why some women claim looks don't matter that much is because they subconsciously characterize certain physiological traits as a man's personality rather than a part of his looks.When women are asked about what they value, I think they're guilty of just assuming the guy in question meets their minimum looks standard when they give their answer. Below average looking guys don't even register on their radar as potential dating options, so they don't even factor into their answer that the guy needs to be at least decent looking because that's just a "given", it's almost not worth saying. If a woman has 20 guys in her inbox trying to get a piece and she's dwindling them down… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/21 12:51 AM |
| 4 | "I know ugly guys who get laid all the time" How true do you think this is?It's possible they're mis-rating these guys. These guys may not be male models, but the chances of these "players" being noticeabley ugly is just not likely. Maybe they're bang average 50th percentile guys who have enough social value/confidence and logistics to get laid, but being average is a long way from being categorically ugly. What you need to remember is there's 6+ billion people on the planet, so the outliers no longer look like outliers because the sample size is so large. If the botto… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/21 01:07 AM |
| 7 | “women are much harsher on male virgins than are other men” — is that a true statement?You have to remember, women set the standard for what is attractive/unattractive in a guy. So if guys are ripping on other men for what they perceive as low value traits, it's because women have overwhelmingly judged them as low value traits. Guys will be mocked for being short, weak, balding,virgins, living at home with parents, small dick, I could go on... Isn't it a coincidence that all these things men bully other men for are all completely unattractive traits to women? Most women, whether t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/21 11:18 PM |
| 1 | If men want more opportunities for sex, why don’t they put the same amount of effort into grooming, self care and “glowing up” as most women do?Well the large majority of women's glow up is caking their face with make up. Some of the before and afters make up tutorials you see are striking, from 4/10 zombie to an 8/10. That is not an option for men to attract women. Men who cover their face with transformation levels of make up will look like they should be in a drag show. Most women are not attracted to the drag queen look. Believe me, if men could apply make up and go from a 4/10 to an 8/10 in the eyes of women, they'd be doing it. As… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 12:15 AM |
| 3 | Your opinion regarding male pattern hair loss at a young age...A tip of guys - if you have given up on hair and started shaving your head - consider Scalp Micropigmentation. Having the illusion of density and a hairline adds a lot to your look of health and youthfulness and frames your face, it looks much better than your scalp just being skin. Just make sure you find a good practitioner as with anything, you don't want a botch job. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 12:42 AM |
| 3 | Your opinion regarding male pattern hair loss at a young age...I've asked a lot of women if they would date a bald man and from their reaction you would think I had asked them if they would date a man with 7 STI's. Their looks of disgust was a picture, and some of these women had kids and were in their 30s so it's not just young women. Guys will delude themselves and say "look at The Rock, he gets laid". Yes 6ft 3, broad shoulered, muscular, masculine good looking face, multi millionaire movie star The Rock gets laid. You're not The Rock though. Significant… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 12:34 AM |
| 3 | Is LooksMaxing a dead end for Men ?This is classic halo effect vs horns effect. If you're physically attractive it's because you've taken care of your hygeine. If you have an ugly face it's because you don't wash or groom yourself. An awful lot of guys are naturally short, with narrow shoulders, ugly facial features and receding hairlines - none of which are under his control. To say they mostly just lack basic hygeine is just an absolutely disgusting show of prejudice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/21 12:24 AM |
| 1 | What counts as 'too high' of a bodycount?If she's slept with 10 guys by the time she's 20 it means she's had a string of one night stands and casual sex with guys who just wanted to bust a nut. That's really the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/21 11:40 PM |
| 1 | Is the average man able to have casual sex ? Or can he only find sex in a relationship?I don't think average men would care that they have to put some effort in to get laid, for a long time that was what was expected. However not now when they know higher tier men are getting laid whenever they click their fingers with the same women they then have to try get relationships with. It's incredibly emasculating to be taking a woman on 5 dates and making all sorts of commitment to get some action knowing full well she's been giving out easy casual sex to chads. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/21 11:36 PM |
| 2 | What counts as 'too high' of a bodycount?Any n-count that indicates they have regularly had casual sex outside of a meaningful relationship. Once you hit double digits you're basically guaranteed to be too high. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/21 01:16 AM |
| 1 | It shouldn't matter that only 20% of men are considered attractive when 70% of young men are having sex.So by your statistics for 39% of men trying to get sex is like trying to find a unicorn (and again doesn't factor in prostitution). Does that not seem high to you? How long before that figure is way over 50%? When the figure does go beyond 50% are you going to convince yourself the large majority are by choice and they actually enjoy being lonely? To believe that all men are truthful and to believe "by choice" shows great naivety honestly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/21 11:35 PM |
| 2 | It shouldn't matter that only 20% of men are considered attractive when 70% of young men are having sex.Firstly, people lie so the number of sexless men is likely to be more than the reported 30%. Secondly, guys who have paid for sex or a got a very rare one-off encounter in the year are included in the "having sex" statistics. Thirdly, the point is that sexlessness is on the rise and is only going to get worse. If it's 30% now, what will it be in 5 years? 10 years? If it's not already over 50%, it will be soon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/21 12:12 AM |
| 3 | Women’s attraction to strange men Traffic light systemRight, because he's not been able to get laid since he got out of prison... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/21 04:15 PM |
| 9 | Women’s attraction to strange men Traffic light systemJeremy Meeks must have come across as very non-threatening to get thousands of women sending him letters and money in prison. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/21 12:05 AM |
| 4 | Do you think that cheating is different between the genders?I think being cheated on as a man is worse in terms of psychological damage, and I'll explain why. From an evolutionary perspective (procreating and passing on genes), it makes sense for men to find women sexually appealing outside of his partner, even women who are less desirable than his partner as he can impregnate an almost infinite amount of women. Sleeping with other women also doesn't stop his partner achieving her biological goal as she can still get pregnant whenever she wants. Women wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/21 01:49 PM |
| 8 | Are late bloomers basically screwed?It honestly depends how late, hitting your stride in early 20s is still salvageable but it gets more and more difficult the older you get. However I do agree as a man, being a late bloomer can be a death sentence. Women want men who are sexually experienced, and men that other women find desirable, it's a fail on both counts. Lack of previous sexual success will lead to all the assumptions that the man is timid, low social value etc. Frankly you can see why guys lie about previous sexual success… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/21 12:24 AM |
| 3 | What proportion of the self improvement you do is solely for purpose of getting opposite sex attention?If we're talking about improving looks. People say they do it for themselves but I find this a bit disingenuous. If you went to live alone on a desert island for the rest of your life let's see how much time you spend doing your hair, your make up, wearing heels, lifting weights and sculpting your physique. People may be improving their looks for their own self confidence, but they're deriving that confidence from the validation of other people. The thought that other people think they look good… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/21 01:21 AM |
| 1 | Taller women don't struggle because they can't find a guy that likes taller chicks, but because tall women won't accept men shorter than them.unattractive and have little respect for them. Years of observing women mock men for being short means they wouldn't consider themselves suitable for a taller woman and it's not worth the hassle of being an object of ridicule for being shorter than his partner. I didn't say only tall women mock men for being short. I said they constantly hear "I wouldn't date anyone shorter than I am" from all types of women, and the minimum height threshold for a man increases as the height of the woman increas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/21 05:42 PM |
| 3 | How can we make sure women and men are giving real consent?Most men would be more than happy to ask for explicit verbal consent every time they physically escalate, but they know they will be worse off for it because ultimately that's not how most women want their sexual experiences to happen. The first part is it seems to me the majority of women like to absolve themselves of responsibility of choosing to have sex and would prefer the mentality of "it just happened in the moment". They do not want to be made to feel like they've made a conscious logica… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/21 12:12 AM |
| 3 | Taking biological sexual attraction to its natural end, will a certain percentage of men always be inherently undesirable?At the end of the day, there's always going to be a bottom 20% of genetics in terms of natural face, height, race, frame, balding genes etc. If you're in the bottom 20% of genetics then how much can hard work really help you? A bottom 20% genetic male is facially unattactive as a given which is very difficult to overcome in itself, and then on top of that he likely has at least 1 or more other drawback whether that is being short, narrow, balding, racial minority, disability etc. So if "hard wor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/21 01:21 AM |
| 1 | First comes sex, then maybe commitmentA lot of men are reluctant to wait for sex these days is because they see how much casual sex top tier men are having. And to be asked to wait 6 dates for sex by a woman who's been having casual hook ups with other men in her past is quite emasculating. Basically the message women are giving them is "you're not instantly physically desirable like those other guys, they get sex whenever they want but you little beta male can take me on multiple dates first so I can assess if you're worthy". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/21 07:06 PM |
| 3 | When people blame single men for their lack of “ going outside “, what counts as going outside ?It's chicken and egg scenario. Men who spend a lot of time online are doing so because they're not succeeding socially/sexually so turn to the internet to pass the time. They're not necessarily failing at dating because they spend too much time online, they're spending so much time online because they've failed at dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/21 06:50 PM |
| 2 | Taking biological sexual attraction to its natural end, will a certain percentage of men always be inherently undesirable?Some people also believe the earth is flat - these people can't be helped and shouldn't be taken seriously. Realistically, even the people who believe in behaviour being the key still buy into the minimum looks threshold if they're honest. Do these people believe a quadruple amputee could go out and pull 9s and 10s in the clubs every weekend if he had the right behaviour? Of course not, because he doesn't meet the minimum looks threshold for the vast, vast majority of women. Can he find a unicor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/21 06:32 PM |
| 5 | Who told you looks are irrelevant?People may not use the word irrelevant but phrases you do hear women say. "I don't go for looks I go for personality" "If a guy can make me laugh then that's the key" "It's all about confidence" "I just want a nice guy who treats me right" "I do admit I can't resist a badboy" "Maybe at first glance I notice looks but then it's all about the vibe" And then you also have a lot of the pick up artist community tellings guys that it's all about confidence. Ultimately because the issue of looks aren… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/21 12:28 AM |
| -3 | Was the sexual revolution a mistake?Well it's pick your poison isn't it? Either adults are going to have to make some sacrifices to their social freedoms or a depressing number of children will be raised in broken homes. Some people would prioritise providing the best life possible for children over the right of people to spread their seed and STD's around the globe, crazy I know! No one mentioned forcing anyone to do anything. How about stop glorifying casual sex, glorifying single mothers and encourage people to only have childr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/21 12:15 AM |
| 5 | What can us women do to make the world a better place for men?The changes I'd like wouldn't be directed towards women as a whole, only really those in the feminist movement which seem to have a very loud and influencial voice. I think the main things would be Stop telling suicidal young men that they're privileged and oppressors. Stop pretending everything bad that happens to you is because of your sex/gender. Recognise that men are disadvantaged in many areas - homelessness, paternity fraud, education, receiving longer prison sentences than women for the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/21 11:55 PM |
| -2 | Was the sexual revolution a mistake?rights. Women not just being groomed and raised to find a male husband. Both of these are movements of their own but the sexual revolution is associated and created by these movements. It is also about the right to choice when it comes to reproduction. Abortion, birth control. Also porn. Why would it be a bad thing? Well we can look at how many kids are raised by single parents. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/21 11:25 PM |
| 36 | Taking biological sexual attraction to its natural end, will a certain percentage of men always be inherently undesirable?I think both sides on this sub don't realise how there's not actually a great deal of difference in opinion is on this issue. Pretty much everyone can get on board with the idea of the "minimum looks threshold". To get a physical relationship with an individual you realistically have to meet their minimum looks requirement - to demonstrate the point I don't think any of the women on here would sleep with the elephant man if they liked his personality, and neither are they queuing up to date a qu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/21 11:11 PM |
| 2 | Many men here seem to underestimate or downplay the role “charisma” and “presence” plays in female sexual arousal."Don't look like an ogre" LOL. I think what people get so so wrong on here is how much of your looks is within your control. Your facial features are given to you by genetics. As is your height. As is your race. As is your body frame. As is your genetic balding and receding. Now, can you change these? With drugs, cosmetic treatments and surgery then yeah I suppose. If women on here were honest and said unattractive men need surgery then fair enough, but it's always "just get a better personality… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/21 12:35 AM |
| 4 | Womens dating standards arent as high as men act like they areStyle is part of preference but the prerequisite is he meets the fundamental looks standard first i.e. doesn't have ugly facial features, isn't below the minmum height threshold, doesn't have a significant disability, looks healthy etc. I'm not buying that women who like tattoos are choosing a universally ugly man with tattoos over prime Brad Pitt with no tattoos. I'm just not seeing it. We could style Henry Caville 100 different ways. We could put him in glasses and dress him like a nerd to app… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/21 12:09 AM |
| 3 | Womens dating standards arent as high as men act like they areNah. Do you think thousands of women were sending Jeremy Meeks money and love letters while he was in prison because he teased the attraction out of them? Do you think some guys are pulling women in night clubs 30 seconds after meeting them because of their personality? Do you think some guys are getting meet ups for sex off tinder because they have some God-like texting skills? Or are they all just good looking and instantly ignite attraction in women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 11:15 PM |
| 2 | Despite men and women being roughly equal in population, attractive men are seen as scarce, why is that?Our evolutionary goal is to pass on our genes. Men can impregnate an infinite amount of women across his whole life so it serves his evolutionary purpose to find a wide range of women physically attractive, and not care so much about the other non-physical stuff. Women can only pass on their genes once every 9 months for a limited window of time and have to carry the child, feed the child and raise the child. So it serves her evolutionary goal to only find the top tier men physically attractive … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 09:25 PM |
| 4 | Womens dating standards arent as high as men act like they aredesire in her. You don’t have to be hot to do that, you can be charismatic. Flirtatious. Shower her with gifts and seductive evenings out (hence, money) Really hot guys can be unbelievably boring, and really average guys (or even slightly ugly ones) can be incredibly alluring Any form of "attraction" you gain from personality or money is not raw physical attraction. At best it's emotional attraction, at worst it's what I'd call "logical attraction" (gold diggers are sucker for developing feeling… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 09:07 PM |
| 12 | Womens dating standards arent as high as men act like they areThere's variance in what women find attractive but let's not be disingenuous here. If you're in a social setting with your friends rating men from a good sample size. Maybe you'll prefer the guy who's 5ft 11 and your friend will prefer the guy who's 6ft 2. Maybe you'll prefer the above average looking guy with longer curly dark hair and your friend will prefer the blonde guy with short hair. Maybe you'll prefer the guy with striking model tier eyes and your friend will prefer the guy with the ve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 09:03 PM |
| 10 | Womens dating standards arent as high as men act like they areAttractive physical features in men are fairly universal - above average height, broad shoulders, square jaw, hooded deep set eyes, high cheekbones, full head of hair etc. The elephant man isn't going to walk in 1 bar and be considered unattractive and then he walks 100 yards down the road into a different bar and suddenly he's top 20%. Sure there's loads of women who will settle for men who don't have universally attractive features but that doesn't mean she has incredibly different perspective… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 08:49 PM |
| 2 | Most women don't want/need a man with a 6 packAbs are one of the least important muscle groups in terms of practical attraction. Reason being we spend 99% of our lives in clothes and all approaching/dating will be done in clothes, so abs aren't going to help you get laid unless you live a beach holiday lifestyle. Muscles that are actually visible in clothes (arms, neck) or muscles that make you look broader and strong when in clothes (wide delts, wide upper back, wide shelf chest) are far more important. You can also look very good shirtles… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/21 07:13 PM |
| 1 | Just wear nice clothes broClothes matter of course, however the problem is there's this ridiculous suggestion that what is separating the guys who are getting laid and the guys who are getting nothing is putting basic effort into appearance. If I walk into a nightclub, the standard of clothing is pretty universal. Obviously depends where you live but I'll see pretty much every guy wearing skinny jeans and t shirt/polo/shirt that are in the main high street stores. The guys getting laid haven't discovered some amazing sty… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/21 07:02 PM |
| 1 | MGTOW is what happens when you don't learn gameYou don't learn to become chad. If you're 5ft5 with an ugly face then you're not going be chad. Red pill delusion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/21 06:46 PM |
| 2 | Taller women don't struggle because they can't find a guy that likes taller chicks, but because tall women won't accept men shorter than them.A 6ft woman will have infinitely more offers than a 5ft 5 man, put it that way. The guys who don't want tall women - a lot of them are having this rule not because they find tall women unattractive, but because they know women generally find men shorter than them to be unattractive and have little respect for them. Years of observing women mock men for being short means they wouldn't consider themselves suitable for a taller woman and it's not worth the hassle of being an object of ridicule fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/21 05:55 PM |
| 1 | Bald men are seen as more dominant, taller and stronger than men with hair. Women still heavily prefer men with hair. Which one would you choose and why?I've asked a fair few women I know in coversation casually "would you date a bald guy" and judging by their reactions you'd have thought I'd asked them if they would date a serial killer with 3 STI's. And some of these women were not young or attractive, single moms in their 30s have almost thrown up at the mention of bald men. Now, would these women make an exception for a guy who was tall with a masculine male model face and had a good head shape to pull off the bald look? Sure, but good luck … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/21 11:47 PM |
| 7 | The “patriarchy” is little more than the projection of women’s desire for power and they subvert responsibility for this by unjustly placing it on men.Do you see how the definition now isn't so simple? And the implications of the word that because there are men at the top (debatable) then society must be heavily favoured towards the average man over the average woman is very dangerous, and why it's very careless to throw that word around. Having a perfect 50/50 split isn't really that important to sane people, politicians should be judged on the merits of their policies rather than their genitals (or "gender identity"). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/21 11:15 PM |
| 1 | What do you think of Coach Red Pill? Do you believe him or is he full of BS?He pushes the narrative that young attractive women are into 40 year old men who are career successful. It's delusion. However he does say some stuff that is accurate. Don't get into relationships with single mothers being the obvious one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/21 11:11 PM |
| 4 | Do you think "game" is a myth or is there actually truth behind it?There's generally 3 scenarios. If a woman thinks you're ugly/physically unattractive, you have close to zero chance of sleeping with her no matter what your personality. It takes some God tier social status and charisma to overcome being ugly-zoned to the point where you might as well just round your chances down to zero. Woman thinks you're physically attractive - at this point just mediocre/passable social skills is enough to get laid consistently. This is the category basically every chad I'v… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/21 11:04 PM |
| 8 | The “patriarchy” is little more than the projection of women’s desire for power and they subvert responsibility for this by unjustly placing it on men.What majority percentage makes a patriarchy out of interest? Is 51% political representation enough to constitute a patriarchy? What if it became 51% female, has it then flipped to a matriarchy? What about when the most powerful politician in a country - the prime minister for example, is a woman? As has happened twice in the UK. A country can have a female leader but because her cabinet is majority male then it's a patricarchy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/21 10:49 PM |
| 2 | Why do men think they’re entitled to my body if I agree to a date or simply entertain them?You seem to be under the impression whenever someone asks for something or tries to get something they want then it means they think they're entitled to it. If a man is unemployed he might contact some local companies to see if they'll hire him. They might all turn him down. Do they turn him down and think "can you believe that disgusting entitled man, thinking we ought to give him a job just because he wants one! Unbelieveable." The word entitlement has lost all meaning. As the old saying goes,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/20 10:37 PM |
| 16 | Society does not and will never care about incels and TRPers "opting-out"I agree the revenge fantasy is weird. However to sugget that there will be no negative consequences of where society is heading is bizarre. Now I don't think men "opting out" will ever become completely mainstream, but them being blocked out of the dating market due to being ugly/low status will be very common. The consequences of men opting out vs just being undesirable is the exact same, women will vastly outnumber men in the dating pool. I'm sure you're aware of the disadvantage children ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/20 06:52 PM |
| 1 | "Men in real life don't care about N count because I rarely get asked about it" - why this logic is very flawedI am not judging one group differently than another. Men who have slept with 500 women are probably not the most suitable long term partners, as I already said. However in what scenario in my life would I ever feel the need to assess a man's suitability to be my long term partner? Never, because I'm not interested in men. You also don't seem to recognise people are not looking for partners who are a mirror image of themselves. A lot of women want men who are tall despite not being tall themselve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/20 09:47 PM |
| 1 | "Men in real life don't care about N count because I rarely get asked about it" - why this logic is very flawedStraight men apply their standards to women because they're not interested in men. Why would straight men care about the n count of other men when they have no interest in dating them? Women set the standards on what is desirable for men, the fact they tend to prefer more experienced and sexually successful men is their own problem. If my daughter brought home her new boyfriend and he had slept with 100+ women, would I tell her she's made a good choice? No, I'd tell her she's being foolish think… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/20 08:54 PM |
| 1 | "Men in real life don't care about N count because I rarely get asked about it" - why this logic is very flawedThis is not just based on personal experiences, it's based on facts and statistics. It's not comparable with racism as race is not a choice. Sleeping with dozens of men you barely know is a choice, one that serves as an indicator of how suitable they are as a long term partner. The statistics regarding divorce rates, relationship satisfaction, infidelity are not subjective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/20 12:32 AM |
| 1 | Do we believe sexually successful men are successful because they're respectful of women?Is this thread going to remain closed even after I changed to CMV? I can take out all opinions and experiences of my post but that doesn't really help discussion. Part of the fun of debating is responding to and challenging people's views, rather than everyone posting a collection of random thoughts with no context of what the discussion was meant to be about.. If you worry that the majority of the posts are going to be in agreeement with my stance hence "circle jerk", that's hardly my fault f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/20 10:16 PM |
| 1 | Do we believe sexually successful men are successful because they're respectful of women?5.No "Woe-Is-Me" or Personal Advice Posting I have changed to CMV. However personally I don't think this fits that narrative. I wasn't presenting a cut and dry "this is how it is" opinion, I was simply trying to get a discussion going by giving a view point to start us off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/20 07:11 PM |
| 2 | Do we believe sexually successful men are successful because they're respectful of women?So I take it the narrative from women on here that what they assume to be sexually unsuccessful men are unsuccessful because of their misogynistic views doesn't really stand up to scrutiny? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/20 07:07 PM |
| 1 | "Men in real life don't care about N count because I rarely get asked about it" - why this logic is very flawedGo ask a good sample size of sexually successful men if they'd be put off a serious relationship if they found out the woman they've just started dating has taken 200 cocks. Then tell me they don't care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/20 05:46 PM |
| 1 | "Men in real life don't care about N count because I rarely get asked about it" - why this logic is very flawedSo many strawman arguments. No one here is telling women who they're allowed to have sex with. They are just advising men to avoid serious relationships with women who choose to sleep around as statistically they make terrible long term partners. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/20 05:39 PM |
| 3 | "Men in real life don't care about N count because I rarely get asked about it" - why this logic is very flawedYour use of shaming tactics here is just beautifully ironic. Implying I must be sexually unsuccessful because I hold a valid opinion backed by every study on the subject. At the same time claiming virgin shaming is a male on male phenomenon. You only have to take 2 glances at this forum to see the amount of women who use these same shaming tactics daily. I assume you're on this subreddit because you're a fugly old woman with 12 cats and an STI? See we can all play this game of assumptions.. As a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/20 05:22 PM |
| 0 | "Men in real life don't care about N count because I rarely get asked about it" - why this logic is very flawedSo any woman with a preference is "negotiating" but men with a preference are being ridiculous because they don't offer anything themselves. Right... I'm not sure why you'd suggest women meet the "don't be a dwarf and have a job" standard but men don't. Do you live in an alternative reality where men are disproportionately unemployed and women are putting in the long hours at work? Or an alternative reality where women are taller than men? Very odd posts I have to say. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/20 04:56 PM |
| 27 | "Men in real life don't care about N count because I rarely get asked about it" - why this logic is very flawedHaving a sexual past does not change a woman in any significant way. Why should it matter to a woman if some men care about her past? If a man is overly fixated on the number of sexual partners a woman has, then surely he is not worth Men get judged more harshly for being virgins. They get judged more harshly for living at home with parents. They get judged more harshly for being short. They get judged more harshly for being broke. Men don't live in this judgement-free world, they just get judge… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/20 01:01 AM |
| 23 | "Men in real life don't care about N count because I rarely get asked about it" - why this logic is very flawedObviously things come from it. Many women get "fuck-zoned" and end up get passed through a group of male friends on the understanding that none of them would ever get into a relationship with her. All my female friends who are in happy long term relationships, I can ask their boyfriends/husbands if they'd have settled down with these women if they found out early on that they'd fucked 50 guys and been spitroasted by the local basketball team, they'd laugh and say hell no. It's a question of is i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/20 12:38 AM |
| 14 | "Men in real life don't care about N count because I rarely get asked about it" - why this logic is very flawedOf course the men you're fucking casually aren't going to care about your n count, they're getting easy sex and don't have to make a committment - it's win win for them. No reason for them to delve into your history because it's irrelevant as most of them wouldn't be interested in a serious relationship anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/20 12:16 AM |
| 3 | I never understood the double standard about promiscuity.Generally speaking women set the standards for what is desirable and undesirable in men, and men set the standards for women. Men are shamed for being virgins or sexually unsuccesssful because women see them as losers and inexperienced, "if other women don't want him why should I?" Men who live at home with parents are shamed because women see them as losers. Men who are short are shamed because women openly mock their lack of desirability. I could go on and on... Women have the power to shame… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/20 11:02 PM |
| 3 | Reverse post: what makes you think that women are into a-holes?I have 2 lines of thinking on this, and they're probably both true. The first is that women are attracted primarly by looks, social value, and confidence. If you show me a good looking, high status confident man then there's a pretty good chance that he's an asshole. Reason being he's had women throw themselves at him his whole life and he's been top of the social food chain his whole life so he's much more likely to treat women as disposable and walk all over people as he knows there are no con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/20 07:08 PM |
| 11 | Are men at their ‘peak’ (30-35), most attractive to women at their ‘peak’ (18-22)?Posted this is a previous thread and point still stands.. Red pill men are deluded when it comes to the topic of peak age. The red pill idea that a man's SMV peaks in his 30s/40s is laughable to me, at least the way they frame it. When females say they like guys older than them they generally mean a couple years, for example 18 year olds are dating something like 18-22 range. All young attractive women I've ever met in my life generally fall into 2 categories. They have a boyfriend around their … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/20 06:28 PM |
| 9 | Feminist shaming tactics needlessly cause lasting sexual repression or guilt in a subset of men most sympathetic to feminist concerns.If men stopped approaching tomorrow, what percentage of men would find themselves getting chased by women? 10-20%? Maybe 30% if we're being very very generous. The bottom 50% of men are certainly not going to have women pursuing them. So at the moment I'd argue it's better for average and below average men that women's options are limited by who approaches them rather than them chasing after the small % of guys they actually find physically attractive. Having said that, with social media and d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/20 10:03 PM |
| 47 | Feminist shaming tactics needlessly cause lasting sexual repression or guilt in a subset of men most sympathetic to feminist concerns.I don't buy the idea that if women were encouraged to approach men more and be the initiators that this would somehow resolve anything. If women start feeling confident enough to approach men they're not going to be approaching guys who are average or below average. They're going to be approaching men they find instantly physically attractive, because the appearance is all they have to go off because they don't know these men. And we know from studies that women tend to find a very small percent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/20 09:33 PM |
| 1 | The concept of the minimum looks threshold - what percentage of men could you realistically see yourself being physical with if you liked their personality?I find this really bizarre. It's an interesting question that could shed some light on the importance of looks in the dating market, surely purple pill debate is a quite fitting forum to ask such a question? It's not intended as a gotcha question, and even if the results supported a certain narrative, how would that be my fault? It's women's own views and preferences that will set the narrative, they are in control of the answers they give. Do you only allow threads that push a certain viewpoint… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/20 11:29 PM |
| 2 | Girls want a man who is... Well, simply not anxious and depressed.All the online dating experiments show conclusively that majority of western women tend not to date ethnic men and it's a massive disadvantage in the sexual market. It's not my fault. Maybe you should convince women to start banging indian and Chinese guys and then you won't have to be offended by reality. Good luck with that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/20 04:54 PM |
| 9 | Girls want a man who is... Well, simply not anxious and depressed.Let me explain the problem with the anecdotal examples we see on here. Quite often the posts will be like this "I know a short guy who has a girlfriend, this proves height doesn't matter." "I knew an ugly guy with a girlfriend, this proves looks don't matter" The problem is, with 7 billion people on the planet, outliers no longer look like outliers due to the large population effect. There's endless millions of men who are below average looking, or short or whatever, so it stands to reason that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/20 01:34 AM |
| 2 | Why is virginity shamed?On the whole women want men who other women find desirable, and can demonstrate they have had success with women previously (social proof, pre-selection). They also like men who have sexual experience as they're more likely to "know what they're doing in the bedroom". It's really that simple. Everything men and women are shamed for are generally a result of preferences the opposite sex have. If women find something unattractive in a man, it will be seen as a low-value trait by the whole of socie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/20 07:09 PM |
| 2 | Why are RPillers so negative towards men who choose to become stepfathers?The solution to the single mother issue is people need to stop having children outside of long term committed relationships where both parties want to raise a child together. By getting a step father in you're teaching men that they don't have to father their biological kids because some simp will do it for them, and you're teaching women you don't need to bother choosing the right man to have a child with because there will always be a queue of betas waiting to save the day and play step dad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 01:28 AM |
| 3 | Why are RPillers so negative towards men who choose to become stepfathers?So many reasons We are biologically programmed to want to procreate, not raise another man's seed absolving him of his responsibility. You are taking on financial responsibility that isn't yours. In the same way I don't pay other people's mortgages for them, I don't pay for their kids either. If you try to have influence over how the child is raised or disciplined and the mother has other ideas then she will throw the old "they are my child, not yours, you are not the father" at you. You effecti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 07:02 PM |
| 1 | 30s+ Men, please share how dating has been for you.Well a lot of people are just very open about who they're "seeing", and stories of escapades are quite popular to share amongst young people. People talk, if they're fucking guys in the same social circle people know, if they're meeting people online and tell some of their friends then it can become common knowledge, if they're going home with guys from nightclubs then people observe it for themselves. Obviously it's possible they're also banging a 40 year old guy on the side and they just keep … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/20 04:26 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men aren’t “intimidated” by successful women. They just don’t want a woman who will disrespect him.Your attitide is almost a different issue because it doesn't seem to be a man vs woman or a dating thing, you walk around labelling anyone with a job you deem undesirable as losers and most people (including women) find that quite disgusting. People don't have to change their job to try be treated with some courtesy and respect. "If you don't want me to treat you like something I scraped off the bottom of my shoe, go get a higher status job. You have to earn my respect peasant". You sound lovely… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/20 01:10 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Men aren’t “intimidated” by successful women. They just don’t want a woman who will disrespect him.If men know they'll be called losers if their woman surprasses their success then why would they ever pursue career successful women for a relationship? It makes no logical sense. Men have to adapt to the market to give themselves the best chance of having a healthy relationship. Men don't judge women's value or competence by income or career success. They want a woman who is kind, respects them and isn't so judgemental. Not women who go around calling men losers and labelling them a lower-class… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/20 11:52 PM |
| 5 | If it was more socially acceptable to wear makeup as a man, would you?It's not about social acceptance, I think most women would be very nice to me if I wore make up in the same way they are to their gay male friends who wear make up. They just won't find it attractive. If women found guys wearing layers of make up attractive and I could go from a 6 to a 9 in the same way women can, of course. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/20 06:33 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men aren’t “intimidated” by successful women. They just don’t want a woman who will disrespect him.That's fine if you want a partner that's very ambitious and successful but you surely can't be surprised when men aren't keen on dating very women who will look down on him for only earning an average salary and focusing on enjoyment in other areas of his life rather than chasing career progression and money. The very fact you've automatically assumed a guy is "lazy" because he doesn't meet your standards is a perfect exampe of why men aren't chasing after successful women. Most women want a guy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/20 06:27 PM |
| 3 | 30s+ Men, please share how dating has been for you.I'm in the UK. Yes but the red pill prominent voices who are preaching that men peak at 40 tend to be based in US/Canada/UK and their audience tends to be from these countries too - they're not telling British or American men that they need to move to Asia or South America and find younger women there, they think these 40 year old men can live a bachelor lifestyle in their own country. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/20 06:07 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men aren’t “intimidated” by successful women. They just don’t want a woman who will disrespect him.Women love to tell the world "I don't want no scrub" and are shocked when men are insecure about pursuing women who are more successful than them. When women list traits they deem undesirable they'll mention lack of ambition, being broke, living at home with parents. If you want men to stop feeling insecure about their success how about you stop putting so much stock in whether they're successful or ambitious when choosing a partner? It's like when they say men don't particularly like tall women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/20 01:40 AM |
| 4 | CMV: If you're a man you will never fully understand what it's like to be a woman. If you're a woman you will never fully understand what it's like to be a man.I think the key difference is feminists tend to not accept men face any difficulties in life that women complain about facing, as well as difficulties that are unique to men, or difficulties that are more commonly experienced by men. Men tend to get frustrated with the idea that men don't face any challenges in life and so want to educate people on the struggles they go through, not to deny women's struggles, but to correct people's perceptions of men's lives. Feminists are the primary perpetrat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/20 01:24 AM |
| 3 | CMV: If you're a man you will never fully understand what it's like to be a woman. If you're a woman you will never fully understand what it's like to be a man.Collectively men want to disincentive certain behaviours from women such as sleeping around and becoming a single mom by having kids outside of stable long term relationships. To do this they need to refuse to seriously date such women and let it become culture whereby young women understand engaging in certain behaviours will harm them in their pursuit of finding a long term partner. However for this to happen, some men have to go lonely as there are not enough high quality women to go around. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/20 12:55 AM |
| 20 | 30s+ Men, please share how dating has been for you.Male here. The red pill idea that a man's SMV peaks in his 30s/40s is laughable to me, at least the way they frame it. When females say they like guys older than them they generally mean a couple years, for example 18 year olds are dating something like 18-22 range. All young attractive women I've ever met in my life generally fall into 2 categories. They have a boyfriend around their age or a few years older They're single and having casual sex with good looking guys around their own age or a f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/20 12:38 AM |
| 1 | Question for Men: What about having a partner whose company you enjoy?Fair point but whilst the number of women who have ONS using tinder or clubs may not be the majority, it's definitely a significant proportion of young women. I'm not particularly into the red pill but I think the general principle is that at the very least most modern women are having some form of casual sex in their life even if it's not 5 minutes after meeting the guy i.e. not requiring committment, relationship or significant number of formal dates, so they're definitely picking and choosing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/20 12:14 AM |
| 13 | Question for Men: What about having a partner whose company you enjoy?Are these guys who pull one night stands from night clubs, or meet up for sex with girls off tinder that they don't even know really relying heavily on their God-like ability to make women feel safe, or are they just good looking? I'd also say women tend to feel very safe around guys they friend zone - beta, timid, sweet guy, "you'll make some girl so happy one day". But these guys simply don't have the looks, social value and ultra confident demeanour to get any physical attraction. Whilst I ag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/20 11:28 PM |
| 2 | CMV; Redpill philosophy is based on pseudo science and has no empirically sound basis.You have to be mad to see the vast vast difference in sexual behaviour between men and women and think biology plays no role. From an evolutionary standpoint, men can impregnate an infinite amount of women to pass on his genes for basically his whole life span and doesn't have to carry the child. He is therefore programmed to find a large pool of women physically desirable as it serves his evolutionary goals. Women, again from an evolutionary standpoint, have a shorter fertility window, have to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/20 12:19 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Men being emotionally expressive only brings them more harm than good.The societal expectations placed on men are derived from women's preferences in partners. Think of the things men generally feel horribly insecure about and are a source of great shame. - Being short - because women see short men as undesirable. - Being a virgin/sexually inexperienced - because women think they don't know what they're doing in bed, can't attract other women so are low value. - Living at home with parents - because women see them as losers - Balding - because women overwhelming… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/20 11:33 PM |
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