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DiscussionBro_with_passport/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 07:48 AM
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“a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.” -Oxford Dictionary While not “recently born,” babies in the womb are certainly “a very young child.” So the label “baby” is perfectly applicable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:46 PM
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I reject that women are the group most impacted by an abortion ban. That would be babies. For men, their biggest concerns are being able to provide. Everything else is a subordinate issue, rationally so. The only other thing I could see being a major issue on men’s minds is serious risks of foreign conflict that could potentially see them drafted; but this isn’t imminent enough that the average man is worried about that ATM. That’s why black men and young men have begun softening up to the Repub…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:56 PM
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Trump’s bashful posturing and aggressive attitude contributed to delaying Russian incursions into Ukraine, extended the lives of men that would have been conscripted. His good relationship with the first island chain is also the best chance American men have at maintaining peace; something women have much less of a stake in as no women can be drafted unless in the IRR.
/r/MensRights03/11/24 07:36 PM
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Both would have severely limited their place in my life, but I’d go with option B.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:32 PM
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Yes, I would want to provide in the ideal situation. But one doesn’t have to be “ideal” to be worthy of that treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:49 AM
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If too many women dress or act immodestly, there will be no respectable options for almost men. Eventually, some men will just resort to rehabbing a woman they deem “save-able.” Kind of like in a housing market with little to no affordable turnover-key options, eventually your only viable option is to buy a rundown place and fix it up. The issue arises when such men realize that it’s not as simple as getting your partner to dress and pretend to be something they are not. TL;DR: you can take a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 04:47 AM
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Thats a pretty decent example of “survivorship bias.” The guys that have the time to sit around posting constantly aren’t the ones with a job, wife, and kids to focus on. I chose to spend some time adventuring before settling down, so I’ve been an active part of the community for longer than most decent men stick around. Would I recommend that route? Yes, I have lived so much life that I’ll have to be struck down twice and I’m only 24. But after a time, it becomes (to borrow from Ecclesiastes) h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:40 PM
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I don’t really fit into that box you described; neither do passport bros generally, they’re usually the higher status guys trying to find decent wives. But because you mention sex work, as a passport bro, I abhor the practice and advocate for men to be virtuous while pursuing respectable wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 05:05 PM
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I don’t feel I’m equipped to answer your questions because I’m a passport bro; I opted out by seeking better options elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 04:38 PM
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IRL the best answer to this is singleness. That said, both would inevitably end in divorce. I think a relationship with option A isn’t really a relationship per se, but I’d rather have a decent friend than a bad wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 03:36 PM
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“Things are bad, no one will look out for you, look out for yourself as you see fit.” I’ve found my path, you find yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 04:05 AM
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You’re almost down playing the role alcohol plays. If the woman is tipsy and the man has completely passed out, she would still be counted as a victim.
/r/MensRights11/10/24 12:42 AM
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The only places I can think of that would reach that number would be SOME of the Soviet-occupied German cities and Nanking.
/r/MensRights11/10/24 12:39 AM
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I trust my partner very much, that doesn’t change my view on things.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 10:26 AM
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That’s what I think is the only reasonable solution as a man. At least until systemic change happens around the prosecution and reimbursement for paternity fraud victims becomes mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 10:59 PM
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I never made a legal statement, I made a descriptive one. If you’d read the dictionary entry you’d have known that. The discrimination against men I’m referring to is not in fact, de facto as you suggest. I’m claiming de jure discrimination against men, while the same does not exist for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 10:57 PM
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Look up the definition of crime, it falls under the third definition listed in the oxford dictionary. But if you’re confident that women are being discriminated against, can you cite a single right under American law that women do not have? I also noticed you seem pretty upset about men conceiving children they don’t ultimately want. As a pro-lifer, I’m 100% in agreement that consent to sex is consent to parental responsibility; but that’s not really relevant to the topic of rights, as no one ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 06:23 PM
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I’m saying that it’s a formality, not an accusation. Just like under Jewish law, the groom to be and the father in law to be negotiate terms of the marriage contract for the event of a divorce. Those contracts near universally have adultery clauses. That doesn’t mean the parents in law are necessarily accusing him of cheating in the future. All that it means is material conditions sometimes create necessary formalities that could be wrongly perceived as an accusation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 05:25 PM
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I never called it a justified accusation. I’m making the case that it’s a necessary formality created as a result of discrimination. It’s also an especially insidious form of discrimination, as it pits the interests of spouses against one another. I reject the premise of an inherent accusation because a man can believe whole heartedly that he is the father and still take the test, just as I intend to do. Lying is also a sin, but it’s more complex in the case of a White-passing racial minority cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 04:53 PM
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There’s really no good analogous situation for 2 reasons: 1. Men are the one of a couple of groups in the US that currently face overt discrimination under the law, meaning that there are few other oppressed groups to draw comparisons from. 2. Paternity fraud is a crime which can only be committed (as far as I’m aware) by a woman, against a man; leaving few to no analogs in the criminal justice sphere due to the gender specificity of such a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 04:43 PM
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Until the legal perils for not checking paternity are removed, it’s not an accusation of cheating per se. It’s more of a legal formality. Just like if my insurance company sends an adjuster, they aren’t accusing me of fraud, it’s mitigating liability. In a perfect world where paternity fraud victims are allowed to step away with dignity, the argument of adulterous accusation would make sense. But the current law in most states claim that a man should just know whether or not he is the father to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 12:15 PM
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I’m a pretty traditionally minded man, though I didn’t always have these attitudes. I don’t believe in premarital sex anymore, so I’m going to only discuss it within the context of being married. I think that it’s like a keystone species in your relationship’s ecosystem. It’s a major indicator of the overall health of the ecosystem; but also without that keystone species, that species’ niche either needs to be either fulfilled by a non-native species (extramarital affairs), or the ecosystem will…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 12:05 PM
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I’m of the opinion that sex is an essential part of an intimate relationship. Without it, it will die off. I had a partner with severe vaginismus and we didn’t have sex for 3.5 years. By the end, she wanted to marry me and I wanted to just be roommates/friends. Eventually I found even the idea of sex with her to be uncomfortable as I came to see her as more of a sister than a romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 11:59 AM
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This. If you’re able to pull what you’re asking for in life, ask away.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:36 AM
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I speak English, Russian, and Bisaya (it’s my girlfriend’s native language, but I’m still learning).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 06:19 PM
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College education only decreases the chances of your spouse leaving you if you’re marrying a man. College educated women are actually more likely to leave their partners than high school educated women. If statistically minimizing divorce risk is your goal as a man, you’ll want to marry someone highly religious, moderately educated, and become decently wealthy. Also having between 1-4 kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 04:55 PM
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I want a stable family with 3+ kids. While I’m not a fan of Islam and learning a fourth language would be a pain, I’m still a believer in the rule that “you cannot make a wife out of a hoe.” As far as education goes, I don’t really value it in a partner one way or another; whether she’s got a DBA or a GED, there are just too many important factors to quibble about education. In all, Arabic tutors are cheap, and divorce is expensive; so I’d have to go for the middle eastern partner, not because i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 04:51 PM
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The fact she knows she’s into such a kink would heavily suggest she’s been doing this in her past. Hard pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:08 AM
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It was solely based on inference from what you said about (presumably) your lived experience. If you don’t feel it applies and that you’re successful at your current strategy, then don’t make changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:38 AM
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If you think that men are unwilling to wait for you, a mix of three things is likely happening. You’re picking poorly, your standards are too high, and/or you’re bringing too little to the dating market to attract what you’re looking for. Figure out what mix of the three you’re doing and fix accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:04 AM
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I am referring to abstaining until marriage, so I reject the premise of your first argument. I never mentioned gender in my argument, because it applies to both. On that basis, I reject the premise that cross-gendering is a counter-argument. Obviously there is a chance that a man can be left feeling used by a sexual partner, just as there is a chance that there may be men whose only offering is sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 11:29 PM
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It’s not a matter of blame. If you only offer one thing, that’s all that will be asked of you. You’re right that holding off on sex doesn’t guarantee commitment/love. But you can’t be used for sex, if you only offer it after commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:43 PM
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I move around often, but yes, a lot of that time was spent in cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:36 PM
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I see two common denominators. It tougher to be a man, and it’s tougher to date women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 09:48 PM
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offers sex within mere weeks of meeting a man man see you as only a sexual partner shocked pikachu face
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 09:47 PM
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I’ve only known three, so it’s a small sample size. But all of them looked like a living wojak meme, even after multiple years on T. Not to mention their height disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 09:45 PM
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As a bisexual guy, 100% false. It’s very easy to get both. Most of the gay men that claim “all men want is sex” are usually the most insufferable to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 09:43 PM
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That’s much higher than just a few decades ago. It’s like driving toward a cement wall and saying “I haven’t even hit it yet.”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:04 PM
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Going down too quickly would cause huge economic problems. Too many old people to take care of for the number of workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:02 PM
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I’m referring to seeing it in IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 05:07 PM
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That’s how I’d define it, I just haven’t run into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 05:06 PM
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Depends on what you mean by “misogyny.” I’ve run into some people whose definition of misogyny is effectively a lack of hatred for men. I’ve also seen some of the more radical types define the pro-life movement as misogynistic. Because I’ve never interacted with a man that openly hates women IRL, I have no sample to go off of. But because I’ve run into a decent number of women that do openly hate men, I’m going to assume the two are total analogs. Most misandrist women I’ve met claim to hate men…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 04:38 PM
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You’re right, it’s a matter of opportunity cost. That’s why every family does what works for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 11:48 AM
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Again, outside of divorce, I haven’t heard of a single disadvantage. Can you outline a financial disadvantage of being a SAHM? Obviously I’m operating under the assumption of joint holding of all assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 11:33 AM
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I’d consider myself a traditional man. The only disadvantages you outlined for a SAHM can only come into play in divorce. So rather than tackling the question head on, I’ll make a list of things a woman can do to prevent divorce from happening. -don’t file for divorce: most divorces are caused by women leaving their husbands. If you don’t end it, he’s much more likely to stay and fix things. -don’t cheat: roughly 60% of the time men do file for divorce, it’s due to infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 11:14 AM
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The whole purpose of marriage is to bring about familial unions with the hope of producing children. So if children are being produced which aren’t mine, I have no purpose to be in such a union. I’ll likely get a test done in secret of each child within a month or so of the birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:27 AM
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While not a bad idea per se, the government having a database of everyone’s DNA would be really bad should a violent eugenicist rise to power.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:22 AM
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In the US and UK, roughly 13% of the population is black, and 7% is mixed. So you claiming that dating disadvantages of being a Black woman applies to 20% of women would suggest otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:41 PM
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I only criticize your extrapolation because you made it sound as though all mixed people were Black.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:37 PM
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She’s both. Just like I’m simultaneously Latino and White. And Kamala Harris is White, Indian, and Black, so calling her any of those would be accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:33 PM
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You can’t lump in Mixed with Black. I’m Mixed, and 0% Black. In America, it’s likely about 13-15%. It’s also ok to have standards. I personally know two women that only date men that are 6’0” and above. That means throwing out 80% of the dating pool. My girlfriend is one of those people, and found me just fine. I say all that to mean: it’s fine to have standards, even high standards if you bring enough to the table to justify your own demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:23 PM
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The Zendaya thing is likely driven in large part by racial preferences. Black women and Asian men tend to get the shortest end of the stick in the west. It’d be more straight forward to use examples of White and Asian women for attractiveness comparisons. I’m not sure how old Emma Watson is, but I looked up a recent photo of her. She’s somewhat attractive. 10-15 years ago, I’d have given a different answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:07 PM
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The Duluth model is still used to this day in some American jurisdictions. It includes a policing protocol which explicitly calls for the arrest of the man during domestic violence calls regardless of who actually committed a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 12:37 AM
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“Why aren’t men called abuse victims for the same thing then?” Because depending on who the alleged victim is, anything can be abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 10:53 PM
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36 times in 6 hours, I’m gonna be immortal.
/r/MensRights13/08/24 10:24 PM
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I do all of these things for the right person… it works! But I will say, “flowers” is a little vague. If I think she’s worth that effort, I’ll do something subtle like a very small bouquet or her favorite candy/treat. It can really impress the right woman. Just as important, the kind of women that will be put off by this behavior are generally the ones that you want to avoid. You’re separating the wheat from the chaff, and ensuring the best grains rise to the top. The only downside to this strat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 02:01 PM
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As far as hiring, the Econ estimates I’ve seen for market share only places LinkedIn at about 20.1% market share. Match group has over 90%. Leaving any vital aspect of life almost exclusively in the hands of any one company is irresponsible. But when it’s a company with a history of opaque algorithms that dictate user experience, it’s even worse than that. Not to mention: online dating companies have interests that fundamentally oppose societies best interest. Match group only makes money from s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 03:41 AM
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Glassdoor and indeed are both viable competitors. Match group has no viable competition outside or some niches.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 03:14 AM
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Assuming you’re talking about the US, it’s a “no” for everything besides the pay gap. Women are paid less than men in an aggregate total; there are some that claim it be be evidence of discrimination, it’s not.
/r/MensRights10/08/24 08:10 PM
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I mean if LinkedIn, monster, indeed, and every other job board was owned by one company.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 12:49 PM
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“Poorest country in Europe” Even the shortest NBA player is taller than the average guy. But because Moldova is a bit of a tax haven, their wealth inequality artificially decreases their HDI.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 10:49 AM
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This come down to lifestyle. How big is the lawn? How insanely are the halls going to be decked? What kind of vehicles are being worked on? Where is the snow shoveling, Minnesota or Arizona?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 04:21 AM
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By that logic, why are people worrying about climate change? Is that not also simply projections of what will happen, while we live in the present? Furthermore, why aren’t you taking out credit cards and maxing them out on vacations? It’s as if a rational society proactively solves issues before the ship has run into the metaphorical iceberg.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:23 PM
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If over 1 in 3 Americans found their jobs through online services all owned by a single company, that’d be almost as much a cause for concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:05 PM
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So it’s your position that men are less capable of dating than they were 75 years ago. Among the changes women have made in the same time span, would you consider it a net positive or net negative shift?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:03 PM
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At this rate, it will be within about 20-30 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:01 PM
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So you’re saying that some people cannot lose weight, even if they never ate again? Wouldn’t that suggest you disagree with the laws of thermodynamics?
/r/MensRights09/08/24 08:52 PM
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I ask because some of your comments contradict. Your initial comment implies that for some people, weight loss is impossible. In another, you said that medical conditions only make weight loss harder.
/r/MensRights09/08/24 08:04 PM
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That didn’t answer the question even remotely. It’s a yes or no question.
/r/MensRights09/08/24 07:49 PM
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If most people are “too far gone,” wouldn’t that mean it’s gotten harder?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:47 PM
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Are you saying the human body is capable of breaking the laws of thermodynamics?
/r/MensRights09/08/24 07:25 PM
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“Hallway coochie energy”
/r/MensRights09/08/24 07:23 PM
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What do you mean by that? Are you saying that women are more attractive than they were 75 years ago? Or that maybe more women are wife material today? I’m not saying I disagree with you per se, I’m just asking for clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:20 PM
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The single most common way Gen Z-ers meet is online dating by a significant margin.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:17 PM
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What’s an example of an issue of dating that your grandparents’ generation dealt with?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:16 PM
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When asked to provide examples of PPB misogyny, you provided a citation that is not of a passport bro, nor a misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 10:54 AM
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dates men that are out of your league has sex without commitment man doesn’t commit link
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 07:11 PM
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My motivations are seeking a partner that better fits my preference, just like every other guy in the PPB community. I’m personally mentoring two fellow PPBs to help them build their businesses so they can also live abroad, and I’m highly active in the community. You claim all passport bros are exploiting women with economic disparity, learn that your claim is false, and then resort to a true Scotsman fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 06:47 PM
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I am a passport bro, I’ve dated in Singapore. I’m not the only one. It’s not as popular for three main reasons: there are lots of weird laws you can run afoul of accidentally, COL is high, and you have to REALLY like living in a super condensed city. Not every guy is willing to put up with those potential downsides and choose other countries. I personally decided against Singapore and in favor of the Philippines for a forever home because I just don’t like living in very large cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 01:36 AM
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It is, I’ve been to Singapore. It’s pretty common to date women there as a foreigner. Obviously cost is an issue, especially for men wanting larger families.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 10:21 PM
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You’re only conflating correlation and causation. Yes less wealthy countries tend to have better dating opportunities for men. Moldova, Singapore, Poland, and Japan are all relatively wealthy countries which passport bros frequent. If the goal was to find women in poverty, why are they such common options? You’re simply (rather deceptively) conflating accessibility with commonality. If something is exceptionally rare, obviously it’s going to be less accessible.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 09:01 PM
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I’m not sure why is a male “problem.” I’d call it more of a “behavior,” it’s not like such men are hating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 08:08 PM
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They actually do have communities for women wanting to date passport bros, they’re just not in English (generally speaking). I’ve met a few, I’d say it’s a 50/50 split between women just wanting a husband that can provide for future kids, and women wanting to emigrate. That’s why fellow passport bros have to be careful with vetting partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 08:07 PM
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Poland is the most popular Eastern European destination for passport bros. It’s also the 20th wealthiest national economy on earth (not including tax havens). Wealth isn’t the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 08:02 PM
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How does prostitution compare to dating someone from another country?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:55 PM
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Abortion and infanticide more broadly has been used as a contraceptive since pre-biblical times. There are references to the practice in the Old Testament, the Spartans couldn’t get enough of the stuff, it happened to Oedipus, etc. So depending on time and place, your historical “analysis” couldn’t be more wrong. If your position is that abortion isn’t infanticide, where does that distinction come from? What’s the point which a child gains human rights? About social programs: you’re not entitled…
/r/MensRights03/08/24 06:08 PM
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I’m gonna be honest with you, I’ve hiked almost 1,100 miles on the Appalachian trail almost always shirtless through the summer time and never got a sunburn. You have to be in the desert or something to mess up that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 03:44 PM
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You keep saying that PPBs are cultivating and propagating racist attitudes. But the community itself is wildly diverse, and is made up of men that pursue women of equally diverse backgrounds. Does stereotyping happen? Yes, just like in every other community. You seem like you’re well read and probably a quick learner. But you seem as though you’re incapable of questioning what is told to you by positions of authority. Just because something contradicts what you’ve “been taught,” doesn’t make the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 03:44 AM
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You’re right. You didn’t call the community in question “dishonorable,” that’s why I wasn’t addressing you. And about these PPB memes you’re describing, every group has memes of varying quality. Not every joke has to make you cry in laughter, nor is every joke written for you. Additionally, if men finding women elsewhere to be more attractive dating options, you don’t have to be bitter about it. Maybe just take the advice being given to men, self improve and/or learn to be happy single. I did ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 02:08 AM
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I’ve been approached while stateside, I generally just say no politely. I’ve given the explanation that I don’t date in this area, and it usually isn’t well received. So a simple “I’m sorry, I’m not interested,” causes people to make their own conclusions. I do have an exemption to the rule: if a woman in my church approaches me, I will accept and see where things go.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 11:15 PM
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“Western women don’t suck” Some might say that’s the problem /s But fr, I’ve been in relationships with American women. I’ve also dated women from places including the Philippines, Poland, and Vietnam. I no longer go out of my way to date American women. I’m not saying all American women are unattractive, but that life is too short to spend it searching for an outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 10:56 PM
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Those skeezy types you’re thinking of are sex tourists, passport bros (including myself) disavow them on a regular basis and call it out when they try to enter our spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 10:49 PM
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What’s dishonorable about traveling to find someone that you can marry and have a family with? That’s one of the most honorable things that the average person does. If you’re saying some of those people make jokes about you, it may be time to do some self reflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:44 PM
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If you find this to be the case, that’s either a you problem or a selection problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:17 PM
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Overused? Or under-utilized by the unwell?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:16 PM
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If you could provide the name of one woman that killed herself as the result of the edgy things that passport bros have said, I will concede.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:05 PM
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The mental health crisis results in people dying. Your issue results in mildly hurt feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:56 PM
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If you have problems with the mean words of some passport bros on the internet, touch some grass.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:34 PM
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Cold approaches have historically worked really well for me. I’m really involved in outdoors hobbies, like the most recent woman I’ve flirted with, I met at a trail-side resupply shop. Granted, I’m a LDH-er so she approached me asking questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 05:22 PM
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That was really well said, no notes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 02:17 AM
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That’s why my life plan involves permanently moving as early as possible. ETA: since everyone wants to know, I’m intending on living in the Philippines permanently. Though some parts of Eastern Europe I find inviting, if for no other reason than to have familiar climate.
/r/MensRights30/07/24 11:03 AM
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More power to you. Wish you both the best of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:09 AM
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And I’d tell them that they’re insane for doing that to their kids too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:16 PM
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It’s not agreeing to 18 years of support necessarily. There are years long waitlists of parents wanting to adopt babies. Which is partly why gay/lesbian couples are so instrumental in the plan of many pro-lifers. Another other big part of the plan is waiting for the medical community to become technologically capable of really pushing the bounds of viability. Like if in another 50 years, we can incubate babies that are in the second trimester, it’d be massive in convincing women not to abort.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 07:21 PM
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If you’re having sex with a guy without a ring, I don’t know what you expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:19 PM
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It’s an elective procedure done for mostly aesthetic reasons, with a small risk of catastrophic injury for the child. People rightly would be upset if I pierced the ears of an infant girl because I wanted her to look cuter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:25 PM
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Because the “operation” (by which I mean being impregnated) has already taken place.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 05:21 PM
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Yes the donor can deny their consent until the moment of the operation. In the case of pregnancy, the point at which consent cannot be revoked is once the child has formed by being a living being with human DNA. If you’re arguing for a type of plan B that prevents to sperm and egg from fusing, that’s fine. No one is dying then, it’s just prevention.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 04:08 PM
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I think you’re being deliberately obtuse at this point. I’ve said multiple times that pregnant women never “lose” their bodily autonomy. Instead, when you consent to making a child, you’re consenting to respect the rights of the child; up to and including their right to life.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 03:24 PM
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You are correct, pregnant women can speak. A little basic of an observation, but I’m we agree on that. But once there’s a second person’s body in the picture, you’re not the only one with bodily autonomy.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 03:14 PM
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Exactly, once knocked out (or up), you’ve made the choice. Once there are multiple lives involved, you can’t change your mind.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 03:06 PM
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Because once you do a thing, and you can’t undo it without killing or maiming another person, you don’t get to undo it. If I give my kidney to someone else, and regret the decision, I can’t take it back by force. The kidney donor has a much stronger reason to want their kidney back, he’s not getting it back after 9 months.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 02:51 PM
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Tenancy means there’s an agreement to occupy for money. I’m comparing it to allowing them to just live there, that’s called a guest. Again, bodily autonomy never “ends.” If you give consent, that’s your right. If you choose to have sex, the potential of having a baby is part of the terms and conditions to which you’ve agreed.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 02:45 PM
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The right to bodily autonomy never ends. Bodily autonomy means the ability to give and withhold consent, in the case of the mother, she’s already given her consent. Meaning that the child’s right to life can, at that point, only be overridden by the mother’s right to self defense. I own rental properties. If I consent for someone to live in one of my houses, my right to property isn’t being infringed upon by the tenant because I’ve given my consent. The mother’s bodily autonomy cannot be violate…
/r/MensRights29/07/24 02:32 PM
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The moral driver is that the child has a right to life, so long as they’re not infringing on the mother’s rights (meaning she consented to conception and isn’t in imminent danger of death due to the pregnancy). The right to life can only be forfeited in very specific circumstances, which a typical pregnancy doesn’t match.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 02:08 PM
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If the system wouldn’t have made a difference, why does your personal story play a role in things?
/r/MensRights29/07/24 01:44 PM
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Yes. In a pro-life system, you’re the worst case scenario. In a pro-choice-(for-the-mother) system, you’d have been killed.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 01:36 PM
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Not “more important,” rather “you’ve already chosen, if the child chooses to opt out later, that’s their decision to make.” You consent to being alive in a continual sense. There are obviously ways to forfeit that right, but you’d have to mess up big time for that.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 01:27 PM
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Yes. If you’re worried about the child’s ability to consent to being alive, you’d have to wait until they’re old enough to make that call.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 01:17 PM
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The difference between the kidney scenario, is that the prospective donor isn’t also the one that voluntarily caused the prospective recipient to need their help in the first place. By forcing another person to become dependent upon you, you have a duty to not withhold their life from them. ETA: it’s not at all like changing your mind before the donation. It’s more akin to saying “give it back.”
/r/MensRights29/07/24 01:10 PM
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If you consent in the creation of the child, bodily autonomy has already been settled. It’s irrelevant at that point.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 01:03 PM
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If there were a safe option to end an inconvenient pregnancy, I’d be 100% in favor. So if you show me a means of ending a pregnancy without killing anyone, you’d have my full support.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 12:55 PM
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That’s how bodily autonomy works, even if it kills. Obviously the same can’t be said for consensual conception.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 10:26 AM
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It’s not a matter of force. By consenting to the underlying sexual act, you’ve already consented to the risk of pregnancy.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 10:24 AM
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If you didn’t consent to the acts which result in producing a child, you have every right to kill the resulting child. It’s still killing by definition, so I won’t mince words, but that’s bodily autonomy. Same if you kill a child in self defense, commonly referred to as “the life of the mother.” Still killing, but not murder by definition due to its moral justification.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 01:55 AM
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Imagine that murder was legal for a moment. Imagine further, that someone wants to outlaw murder. Then someone that wants murder to remain legal says “by not allowing me to murder other people, you’re forcing your opinion upon me. You don’t even care about my victims, you just want to control me.” But if you really think pro-lifers are trying to force their views onto others, just you wait until you see what their opponents do to their victims.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 01:52 AM
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Adoption is an option. But even if the child isn’t allowed to be adopted by a wanting family, that’s still better than death.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 01:44 AM
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Banning abortion doesn’t limit what a woman can do with her body. Rather, it limits what she can do with someone else’s body.
/r/MensRights29/07/24 01:09 AM
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Pro life here. I agree many people are unfit to be parents, that doesn’t mean you kill the kid. It’s literally “throwing the baby out with the bad water.”
/r/MensRights28/07/24 11:26 PM
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DEI programs should be considered discrimination at every level. Imagine you’re a former president running for office again. Would you want your body guards to be the most qualified people for the job, or would you rather they be selected on the basis of race and sex? Which would result in you being safest?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 01:59 PM
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I’m a passport bro, so I’ll take a shot at answering. Being wealthy as a man definitely increases one’s status, but it’s the man’s job to ensure that’s not the only reason she is interested. Kind of like if a woman is very physically attractive; if he’s only in it for your looks it’s a problem, if he’s interested in part for your looks that’s good. But I will say, you’ll just as easily run into gold diggers by dating in the US; so I fail to see much of any correlation between the two. Other majo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:34 AM
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I did something about it. I became a passport bro, and am living that life quite happily. Your flair suggests you decided to just give up in despair, we are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 09:12 PM
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I mean that is the line I drew to distinguish the two. You’re free to disagree. Unless you’re talking about someone who’s not a virgin because they’re married?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:41 PM
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To put it bluntly, I hated the town (and school) I was studying in and wanted to trade up to a better school. I prioritized academics only in choosing that school, not even considering quality of life. I didn’t want to start what I knew would become a LDR. So I spent that whole year either studying, at church, or training for a thru-hike.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:28 PM
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I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just saying that I’m responding to the market, not making the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:19 PM
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If she said she was a virgin and waiting until marriage/engagement, then I was honest and saw myself out. I figured if she was a really nice woman, I wouldn’t want to create emotional baggage. On the other hand, if she already had a promiscuous past, then I would pursue freely. That way I wouldn’t be making more promiscuous women, just enjoying the company of those already around me. I could usually tell before starting conversation, though, which category someone would fall under. I’d typically…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:18 PM
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I no longer attend that school. While I’m happy dating abroad, I appreciate your advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:58 PM
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I’m 23 for reference. But the 18-25 demographic that attends church (strictly speaking from anecdote) heavily skews male. But that’s really just a western problem. During my travels, the opposite seems to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:50 PM
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Just in the church I regularly attended, they had a Thursday morning bible study for students. Of which 4 women were regulars (2 of which were married/engaged), whereas the men (including myself) numbered around 12-15 per meeting. Granted, this ratio got a bit skewed because I got a chunk of the schools men’s baseball team to join us after practice. So I did add about 2-5 men of that ratio at any given time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:45 PM
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You’d think, but a lot of the things redpillers claim “AWALT” simply aren’t universal. A lot of it is culturally ingrained, so I’ve found success abroad. If you’re interested though, DM me, I’ll always help out a newbie PPB.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:17 PM
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I used to be that guy to a tee, before I became a Christian down the road. I’m going to explain what I did and why, but I’m NOT saying what I did was right. I used to spin plates. I was most actively doing so when living in central NC from ages 20-23. At any given time, I would try to ensure I was spinning 2 plates (sometimes 3). It was the amount I felt I could sustainably handle without feeling overwhelmed. I would almost always use tinder or the bars nearby my house. I would always say my int…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:14 PM
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On the contrary, the male/female ratio at the school was 35/65. It’s just that a solid majority of the women in attendance weren’t the “take home to the family” types. While there was a lot of opportunities to date, it was a lesson in quantity vs quality. I was solely attending because they boasted a quality finance program. Ultimately, I disliked the school and the town enough that I transferred after just two semesters. Though the dating scene wasn’t my top reason for leaving, I got good enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:43 PM
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You’re not wrong, but having any standards stateside will quickly turn your dating pool into a dating puddle. Take my old college for example (won’t say were obviously), but there were just over 5,000 women enrolled. It’s a small town, with pretty much only the school, a nearby lake, and a few restaurants/bars. My only standards were “regularly attends church, within my rough age range, and not obese.” I went between every church in town while selecting which I would attend while studying. I cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:10 PM
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I’ve never liked the term “settling” in this context for this exact reason. What one reasonable person would consider settling, another reasonable person could just as easily consider operating within reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:24 PM
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Aren’t you the same person that told me we live under a patriarchy? If governed and ruled over by men, doesn’t that mean men are holding other men accountable by your standards? But men shouldn’t feel a need (under current social conditions) to police other men because the government is already doing it. The reason many men feel the need to socially hold women accountable for poor behavior is because the government has had a track record of incentivizing, allowing, and sometimes causing women to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 08:05 PM
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Honestly, I’ve always wanted to be like my dad. He was a very involved father. He would always wake up early and make breakfast so he could sit and eat with us, he rarely could drop us off so that’s how he spent time with my siblings and I every morning. He’s the reason my favorite meal to this day is French toast with scrambled eggs and bacon! haha
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 09:37 PM
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I did, that’s why I used the 77% figure from the FBI.
/r/MensRights24/07/24 06:57 PM
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Source? Because I was using the FBI crime stats.
/r/MensRights24/07/24 02:26 PM
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Men make up about 51% of the population, but ~77% of those convicted of the same. That’s about the same level of disproportionality as the Black American population in the violent crime stats. That’s also distorting the numbers as well. Roughly 750k murders in the US are labelled as legal under the guise of “abortion” annually (when excluding those performed in self defense). With that in mind, women commit roughly half of all murders alone; they’re just given legal immunity.
/r/MensRights24/07/24 02:18 PM
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The article cited only cites a single specific case of discrimination. And it’s against a White woman on the basis of race. I’m not sure how this proves your point. I haven’t seen any statistical evidence that crimes committed by men are any worse to justify harsher sentences.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 12:55 AM
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The disparity between the sexes is currently greater than the disparities among the races. You can’t compare a White guy to a Black woman, you’d have to compare with the same race to prevent confounding variables. Admit quotas (as they currently exist), specifically discriminate against White people. I’m not sure how White women benefit from such a system more. It’d be more accurate to say “White women are exempted from the worst of such discrimination on the basis of sex.” The more I’m reading …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 12:17 AM
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So which box would you place the criminal sentencing disparity? Draft exemption? Woman-only scholarships? Gender quotas in higher education admissions?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 11:58 PM
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If you don’t define any of these differences you’re talking about, there’s no way to show you whether or not you’re wrong. How do you define “female privilege,” how do you differentiate it from “privileges females can have.”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 11:50 PM
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Stoicism is recommended by some redpillers in the presence of a romantic partner (mostly early in the relationship). But not necessarily in a 24/7 sense. I’ve also never seen a redpiller tell a man not to go to therapy because it’s bad to self-express, more so that current therapy techniques are meant for women so will help men less. About judgement: that’s in direct violation of Christian teachings. So it’s certainly a sin some people and congregations struggle with, it’s a bug, not a feature.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 06:55 PM
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Examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 06:05 PM
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Red pill ideas and Christianity aren’t toxic on their own, but they can be infused with toxic opinions. That’s not really special though, there’s toxic components to every ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 05:55 PM
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I’m not sure what’s toxic about anything I laid out. I tried one strategy, found success for a while, but ultimately decided to make adjustments. It sounds like a pretty normal thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:09 PM
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People who post rants tend do so from a place of dissatisfaction. So that alone suggests that this is more of a pattern than a one-off situation. And if you’re experiencing a pattern, you’re the common denominator. I also specifically said “or continue your current course.” I’m not exactly demanding she change her behavior, it’s a suggestion to fix her implied dissatisfaction. Do I take dating advice from women? I don’t need advice at all, I’m quite happy with my current situation. But if a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:04 PM
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Yes, yes I am saying that. A woman’s attractiveness as a partner is most accurately measured by the caliber of men willing to provide commitment. A man’s attractiveness is most accurately measured by the caliber of woman willing to sleep with him IME. When I was in my plate spinning days, I’d sleep with a woman less attractive than myself for fun. I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just saying it happened. But when those less attractive women would usually ask for commitment, I’d usually just explai…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 11:27 AM
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If a woman is attractive, pleasant to be around, and the type I’d take to a family function, she can call herself by any ideological title she wants. But if every vocal feminist I’ve ever met, not one has met all three of those criteria. Eventually I have to just admit it’s not worth my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:48 AM
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It’s not even a flag, it’s more like a starting pistol. It’s time to start running lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:44 AM
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I have had relations with two of such women. I did allow the relationship to become sexual, but not dating. I don’t have casual sex anymore. So I don’t think I’d be interested in any sort of association with someone like what you described, outside of being “surface level friendly.”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:41 AM
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You realize you don’t have to date such men… right? The vast majority of men don’t date multiple women at once. When I was a redpiller, the most plates I spun at one time: 3. Any more and I’d just get exhausted and end up having to drop a plate or two. It created some good memories of that time in my life, but it was just too much. I stopped being a redpiller largely because I realized that chasing that level of abundance is exhausting. I realized I had to start chasing quality of life, instead …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:35 AM
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Obscenity restrictions can only go so far. They can only regulate to a point as far as time, place, and manner goes. It’s not like they’ll be able to ban porn from a website that deals exclusively with porn for adults only. At worst, I could see ID rules to access porn coming about, but that’s constitutionally questionable at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:35 AM
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If you can’t spell “project 2025” correctly, I’m not sure how a discussion is going to go. Like the first sentence started stupidly and just never recovered. That being said, Trump hasn’t even read, much less endorsed project 2025. On top of that, I’ve read parts of the document, I didn’t see anything about a porn ban. You also didn’t answer a pretty fundamental objection to the plan: banning porn is unconstitutional. How would Trump, even if he wanted to, do something that would break our const…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:20 AM
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This whole comment was like the soundtrack to Tarzan. It had no need to go off that hard, yet it did.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 04:16 PM
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Sigh You have a right to sex in the same way you have a right to healthcare, food, or water; that is to say that the government can’t stop you from getting those things. But you also don’t have a right to someone else’s labor without the consent of the other interested parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:27 AM
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The fact that I’m getting sex Ed info that I never previously knew from a men’s rights group is nice, but also kind of sad.
/r/MensRights18/07/24 12:02 PM
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Hence why I used the term “slightly.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:50 AM
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As someone who fundamentally believes in the rule of law, I don’t think debating further would do anything. I believe all crime should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, even when there are externalities. I think that allowing some people to freely commit crimes is universally a net negative for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:48 AM
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I’m not saying that’s incorrect. Reimbursement is preferable, but incarcerating criminals is the next best thing. It also provides society with incentives to not commit such crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:44 AM
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I said “more likely,” not “causes.” But I’ve seen some men use slightly less attractive women as such long term placeholders.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 02:16 AM
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It sounds like this Emily woman is a nice girl who just made some poor decisions. I’ve seen this happen a few times in my life. IME, if you date above your “league,” it’s much more likely to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 02:08 AM
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I honestly don’t know how rare it is, nor how difficult it would be to litigate in practice. I still don’t see why it matters how difficult it is to prosecute; when a crime is committed, you prosecute the criminal and try to ensure they face justice. Even if only 1% of victims receive said justice, that’s still worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:59 AM
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I’m not imagining any particular situation, I’m laying out a principle. Being a mother doesn’t somehow make you above legality or basic morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:55 AM
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The concept of “too big to fail” is a purely macroeconomic concept, and a highly flawed one at that. It means that one entity failing would drag down the wider economy. If you think that being a single parent should exempt anyone from criminal prosecution, then are you also against single parents being prosecuted for murder?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:52 AM
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Ah well, perhaps the bear you chose will assist you!
/r/MensRights17/07/24 10:42 PM
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Came here to say this, but you may have said it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 10:40 PM
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I’m really not sure why that’s relevant to the topic at hand. The question was how to bring about restorative justice, obviously you can’t fix 100% of all cases. The goal is to achieve the most just outcomes for the most cases possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 09:59 PM
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That’s why not all criminals get the same sentences. Nevertheless, prison is an important tool in creating negative incentives.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 09:57 PM
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I mean all forms of fraud are messy. I just care that the victim is provided with more options to remedy the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 09:04 PM
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Yes, yes I would. As much as a judge will authorize.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 09:02 PM
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Ok? Does that mean that single parents should be immune from criminal prosecution?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 09:01 PM
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That’s the point of criminal legal proceedings, to ensure that the people being locked up are the ones that did it and are proven guilty. The risk of getting away with murder doesn’t necessarily mean we should legalize murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 08:57 PM
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I think I lost IQ points just by reading this. But if you honestly think that enough women are committing such a crime, that it’d tank a national economy, that’s misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 08:48 PM
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The deception can include hiding grave risks. If I sold someone an airplane that I knew had a 50/50 chance of catastrophic failure, and the plane crashed; but I sold it off as a normal aircraft, I’d be in jail if caught.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 08:45 PM
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Don’t have the funds? There’s lots of solutions, wage garnishments, adverse asset possessions, jail sentences for non-payment, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 08:42 PM
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I’m not sure what state you live in, but my state requires the test be done on sight.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 08:41 PM
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Can you name a single other crime in which a single parent goes to prison without the same consequence for the child? If not, why should this particular crime be seen differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 08:39 PM
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I disagree with #3, here’s why: If I have a child and defraud a bank for money, should I be given immunity to prosecution until my kids become adults? No. Should a person be treated worse than a bank under the law?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 08:26 PM
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Treat it the same as other forms of fraud. Allow the victim(s) to file suit for reimbursement, file criminal charges against the criminal. I’m not seeing why this is complicated, fraudsters to go jail and repay their victims pretty often. If I committed tax fraud into the 6 figures, should I simply be given legal immunity if I’m a single parent? No, that’d be insane; I’d rightly owe back taxes with interest, likely go to prison for a while, and have a criminal record. Assuming that the child has…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 08:21 PM
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What country is this happening where you are acting normally, yet being harassed in public? That aside, being harassed doesn’t mean you’ve lost your right to life, it just means hurt feelings. It’s also not sealioning to quote something you said, and ask “did you say this?”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 07:28 PM
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You compared being judged for your looks to not being “allowed to exist in the world.” Those are your words, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 07:09 PM
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Depends on the church. Many churches doctrinally hold up sex as one of the reasons to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 06:20 PM
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So you concede that you were, in fact, comparing body shaming to murder?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 06:16 PM
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I never said it was/wasn’t ok, all I said is that it’s not as bad as literal murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 03:21 PM
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If you listen closely, you can hear the sounds of your goal post moving. I don’t too much care about body type. I just thought your argument was dumb enough that I had to say something.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 02:59 PM
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Because being shamed is basically the same as killing someone. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 02:26 PM
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If you don’t have a proper standard as to when a child, “becomes someone’s” child, who’s to say that it ever happens at all? I see you acknowledged that genetics do matter to avoid incest, paternity fraud does increase risk of incest. It also messes up the child’s medical history to a similar extent as swapping babies in the hospital. So I’m not sure why you are against one, yet so nonchalant about the other. My position is that parenthood can be established through biology, or formal adoption (…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 11:37 AM
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So how long does one have to raise a child for it to be “theirs” by your definition? If he finds out the day after the child is born, does that make it abandonment to you? If no, how many days must he raise said child as a victim of paternity fraud? If your definition hinges on amount of time spent, as opposed to legal adoption and biology; does that mean if a couple kidnaps and raises a child, they deserve to have parental rights after being caught? You also never explained why maternity wards …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 10:44 AM
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Your moral expectation requires a sense of delusion. You’re saying that someone should see someone as something which they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 10:18 AM
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Leading question. The question presupposes that Tate is respected to begin with. Tate’s reputation, even among the redpill community, seems to be mixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 02:23 AM
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I understand the question, I just disapprove of the way it’s being asked. The question is implying that there is some sort of subjective interpretation, when there is none.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 02:19 AM
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Reread my initial comment, that’s not what was being discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 02:14 AM
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Say a woman is raped and has a baby as a result. She decides not to be around said child, as it reminds her too much of her trauma. Is the rape survivor in this case a bad person? In both scenarios, being around the child in question would cause the person in question emotional pain, even if it’s not the child’s fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 01:27 AM
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“viewing them as your kid” It’s not a matter of perception, it’s a yes or no question. If the test answers “no,” the answer of “no” is perfectly valid. If biological parenthood doesn’t matter, why are hospitals required to carefully log babies in maternity wards? Why not just put that shit on shuffle if it matters so little?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 01:22 AM
2

Are you comparing a 21 YO woman to an actual child? If yes, when’s the last time you’ve been outside?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 10:56 AM
2

Yes. In my country, there are entire scholarship programs that are overtly exclusive for women. There are also many companies that make hiring/promotion decisions (in part) on the basis of sex, giving a significant disadvantage for men. It tends to be much worse in STEM fields, but colleges used to discriminate on the basis of sex and race, but the Supreme Court recently made that slightly more difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:18 PM
1

I’d want a boy, but I understand it’s a selfish want. He’d be more subject to discrimination in selection for some employment, higher ed, and scholarships, but I can also teach him to work around those obstacles.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:05 PM
1

If by privileged, you mean “working my ass off from the day I moved out, weeks after finishing high school. Then not accepting help from any of my much wealthier relatives, opting to build everything on my own,” then yes. It sounds like your life just sucks (whether it be from a low work ethic or poor decisions), and you’re bitter that a woman making better life decisions (thus far) has struck up a relationship with an established guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 12:19 AM
1

I’m not sure why you say that as if to excuse your looking down on her, as if to suggest it diminishes her worth. Frankly, if I had to choose between dating a pre-law/med school student or a barista, (all else being equal) I’d date the barista. If she’s planning on a career path that involves homemaking, working in fast food at that age is an awesome placeholder job. If she wants a career outside the home, it’s slow going, but not the end of the world. But if you’re in your 30’s still complainin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 11:23 PM
3

I wouldn’t be so proud of being without direction at 23. Perhaps someone’s just upset that your guy friend is finding someone he’s happier with, while they are spinning their wheels.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:41 PM
3

That’s the difference between being a freshman in college and being graduated for over a year into a proper career. In just that amount of time, I managed to join the army, finish my contract, buy a house, start a business, earn my associates degree, and begin a thru hike of the Appalachian Trail. Obviously not everyone grows that quickly, but I think you get the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:35 PM
2

If you’re taking on a fatherly role to a child, you absolutely need parental authority. Like as a kid, my dad would (when my grades were good) occasionally pull me out of school and take me to Brewer’s games. That’s a perfect example of why a father would need parental authority outside of punishment; it was massively formative for me and made a great incentive to be a good student, when I otherwise didn’t care. Like one of my best childhood memories was getting an inside-the-park home run in ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 09:45 PM
3

It honestly depends on why he’s leaving her. But it’s not as though the man’s new partner were suspiciously young like 18-19. It’s clearly not a case of grooming, so I don’t see why it’s some kind of issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 09:37 PM
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Aren’t you that lady that was posting in AITAH about being upset some guy in your life is dating a younger woman? If so, it sounds like misery is just trying to make company.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 04:47 PM
1

The rates I’m referring to have clearly indicated that fatherlessness, even controlling for income, race, and sex, has been highly correlated with violent criminality. Generally speaking, for every 1% single parenthood rises, juvenile crime rates go up by about 1.7%. It’s been so well tracked, that the two best determining factors for the needs for the number of prison beds and cells, is literacy rates and single motherhood rates from the previous decade. When roe v wade made it legal to kill su…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 04:36 PM
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2, a brother and sister. Cops don’t typically deal with convicts, you’re thinking of COs. And if you think all cops do is hand out punishments, your local area needs better cops. Just as well, your implication that convicts aren’t still people is… concerning.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 04:12 PM
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Parenting isn’t a competition, but it definitely requires parental authority to do properly. It’s like being a cop without the authority to make arrests or carry a weapon, but with all of the same duties and risks as any other cop.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 01:02 PM
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I mean it’s valid to dislike that which creates problems in society. I dislike drug related deaths, so I dislike drug dealers. I also dislike violent crime, so it’s logical to also dislike those are who single moms (by choice, not widows and the like); fatherless boys tend to be much more likely to commit violent crimes (especially sexual assault) after all. In a day to day sense though, it’s not as though I’m going around seething about their existence at the local grocery store. I pay about as…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 12:54 PM
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I’m glad to see he’s being as healthy as can be, given the circumstances.
/r/MensRights10/07/24 02:52 AM
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In a healthy society, I’d be somewhat opposed. If you’re in a place where, as a man, you stand to lose as much as you do, it’s only logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 02:55 PM
1

Depends on the kid, not the sex. I never had a curfew, but also lived in a very small town. So it depends on where I live too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 02:42 PM
2

Generally speaking, women from more socially conservative countries are often going to have expectations of you providing for her. The important thing though, is what she’s bringing to the table, IME, foreign women have more to offer. Granted, I’ve never been to Chile, so take it with a grain of salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 03:34 AM
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You have a right to sex in the negative sense. Meaning that the government can’t stop you from doing the do with consenting adults in private settings. But you don’t have a positive right to sex. That’s because you are never entitled to someone else’s labor without their consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 02:58 AM
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Growing up, I was put on a medication that made me never hungry at all. Like if not reminded to eat, I could have (and nearly did at times) just allow myself to starve. Additionally, people with conditions like rabies not only refuse water, but become actively avoidant of the stuff. This almost always results in the patient dying from it. I’m not saying you’re wrong in your position, but the reasoning that “if you take a medication and stop feeling a need for a thing, you don’t need that thing,”…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 02:56 AM
1

Most developed countries don’t have enough kids. What is the point of expending resources in a way that can only make that problem worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 02:45 AM
1

The belief in unconscious bias is a hypothesis which is effectively impossible to prove or disprove. While there have been researchers with modest bits of evidence for its existence, those same researchers tend to be the ones selling training solutions. So finding evidence which isn’t backed by a profit motive would be compelling, but currently non-existent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 05:54 PM
1

You claimed the phenomenon of carrying weapons is the product of distrust in men in your first paragraph of your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 05:43 PM
1

When worrying about threats, few (if anyone) are worried about specific demographics in the EDC community. I for example, live in an area where Black people make up a very large proportion of those who commit B&E. My keeping of firearms in my home isn’t out of some specific worry of a Black person breaking into my home; rather, it’s in case anyone does. That’s why my keeping of weapons isn’t racist, and those who conceal carry on the daily aren’t misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 05:31 PM
1

Men (and people broadly) carry guns for threats. Being threatening to others is an equal opportunity activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 11:23 AM
4

“No outfit could possibly justify cat-calling or staring” You’re right about the cat-calling thing, but wearing something out of the ordinary is inevitably going to get some stares. What the woman in the linked photo is wearing is really only appropriate for use as underwear, especially in public. And If I saw a man walking on the sidewalk in boxer briefs, I’d stare then too. I don’t think it’d be unreasonable to even consider that a mild form of public indecency.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 06:30 PM
1

That’s what things like wage garnishments and payment plans are for. It allows the victims to be compensated, without financially breaking the perpetrator(s) to the point that they can’t pay off their debts.
/r/MensRights03/07/24 02:53 PM
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No, government action has proven bad for men. If we want to fix it, we should have less government interference in our lives. I think it’d be sufficient to make paternity fraud both a criminal and civil offense. That way, the perpetrator can be punished for their crimes, while the victim can be compensated for emotional damages, wasted money, and lost time.
/r/MensRights03/07/24 03:13 AM
2

Redpilled guys typically aren’t conservative in their lifestyle, more of a “you should exist for me and I’m mad you don’t” vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 02:38 AM
2

What traditional/conservative men are calling homemakers “gold diggers”?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 12:52 AM
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I’m specifically referring to the countries that OP listed. I’m not saying all Muslim communities engage in such practices, only that they’re most commonly practiced in places on OP’s list.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:20 PM
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That statement is only true in the semantic sense, because while Sunnis practice more or less the same thing, they have a different name for it. Sunnis just call it “nikah misyar.”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:02 PM
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This is wayyy too surface level of an analysis. If you’d done an even cursory bit of research into Islamic culture, you’d know about the concept of “nikah mut'ah.” It’s effectively a legal form of prostitution, in which a man “marries” a prostitute for a set amount of time, and then is obligated to file for divorce at the end of the transaction. So your univariate analysis was lumping in actually married couples, in with men using legal loopholes to pay for sex. Not to mention the obvious, but w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:12 PM
2

Hours don’t tell the whole story. It depends on the nature of work too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:21 PM
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The 80/20 rule just means that women are consistently rating their counterparts of the opposite sex as less attractive in an exaggerated manner. If this hypothetical woman doesn’t want to do something, she doesn’t have to do anything. I’m not sure why you think men have some sense of entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 11:54 AM
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That’s where the MRA-leaning and tradcon-leaning guys diverge, hence why you’ve likely heard a lot of discussion on this topic. I’m squarely leaning on the tradcon side, I’d be a little put off if a woman tried to go Dutch.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 04:01 AM
0

I definitely don’t think it’s good, but there are also much worse things one can do with their time and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 10:15 PM
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If you’re going off of gender roles specifically for pre-1900s nobility classes, where woman don’t have a choice in partner, I would get your point. But the idea that feminine women have no agency is asinine, especially today.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 09:06 PM
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None of those roles/traits you described give me the impression of one being inferior to the other. I read it just fine, it just sounds like you really prefer one over the other. If I had a male friend telling me how dresses are just so much better than pants, without giving me a solid reason; it’d be reasonable to infer that they’re struggling with their gender identity in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 08:37 PM
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While you highlighted the differing traits, you still haven’t demonstrated any benefits between having one set of traits over the other. If you feel like living as a man is what makes you happy though, don’t sit around looking for my approval; do your thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 08:17 PM
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Few women are truly “unfuckable.” I think a better term would be “romantically unloveable.” I say that because I would still love my sister (for example) if she became much more butch, but I’d be doubtful of her dating prospects. I’d also platonically love my close friends that are women if they became masculine, I just would see them are much less attractive in a romantic regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 08:05 PM
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I’m not sure what benefits a woman gets by being masculine. If you’re trying to reduce the attention you get from men, then I suppose acting like a man would achieve that goal. But I otherwise can’t think of any upsides for being a masculine woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 08:01 PM
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I’ve rescued two kittens in my lifetime, both were great experiences. If you have a more active lifestyle, consider a dog as well. I’m adopting a sporting breed (still narrowing down the list), to have someone to join me when I go out and about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 07:01 PM
2

Facebook is in large part a dating app, there’s an entire section of the app dedicated to it. As someone with women as friends, I can also attest that other apps like instagram are de facto dating apps with extra steps. I was trying to say that the ownership of online dating companies being so oligopolized is one of a few causes of the issue. I also didn’t say that I use any social media at all, I just implied that it’s a net negative to my generation’s social fabric. I also never commented on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 06:52 PM
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Dating app companies (match group especially), have been aggressively expanding the market share. Gen Z’s single most common means of finding a partner is now using online dating apps. It’s because most people (in the US) are practically forced to drive everywhere, and have had their third spaces gutted. The only decent options for guys my age to meet decent women to date long term are places like church, and the workplace (though that can be risky if you’re not especially attractive).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:18 PM
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Source to back up such a claim about disproportionate losses?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 07:39 AM
1

You can be the most attractive woman in the world, but plastic surgery can quickly reverse that in the case of many women celebrities. Madison Beer and the woman from “The Boys” (I forget her name) are prime examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 10:12 PM
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As someone who’s done quite a bit of traveling, a lot of those women don’t go for men in their home countries for more insidious reasons. A lot of those women’s sexual partners are actually just boys aged 15-17, sometimes younger. It’s more of a pedophilia thing, than it is a “lack of male attention” thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 05:25 PM
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If a man spoke of a woman turning down the chance to sleep with him in such a way, would you have the same reaction?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 11:56 AM
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Likely debt. As someone that did volunteer work financially counseling soldiers while I was in the military, if you think someone can’t afford their lifestyle, you’re probably right.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 08:29 PM
3

I get a lot of cute animals, outdoors content, fishing stuff, and cooking videos. The algorithm gods give you what will keep you watching.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 08:28 PM
3

You can allow a dead bedroom to be grounds for a divorce, but also not legalize marital rape. Just like how you can tax wealthier people more, without necessarily beheading rich people in the streets.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 04:32 PM
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I’m only in favor of women being eligible for the Selective Service because it’s not the 1950s anymore. It made sense to want to protect the women that spent their time bringing up the next generation. The whole reason for women’s exemption was because they were the ones that were birthing and raising the next generation. But take a quick look at the birth rate, and you’ll see that they just aren’t doing it to the same degree that initially justified their exemption. All exemptions for the draft…
/r/MensRights21/06/24 01:52 PM
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Cheating is usually an inevitable result of a dead bedroom. But consistently failing to have a healthy sex life, and showing efforts on part of the non-faulted partner to fix it has historically been grounds for a faulted divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 01:11 PM
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Continual failure to perform marital duties is also grounds for a faulted divorce. Hell, some of the earliest reasons women could leave their husbands was failure to consummate due to impotence. So I don’t see why the same wouldn’t apply the other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 01:08 PM
1

As an avid backpacker, it feels like hearing from someone who want,to go hiking; yet that same person doesn’t really like nature, animals, bad weather, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 12:59 PM
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It’s an example, I’m not claiming each person would in wartime. You have to include all of the other tens of thousands of products needed to prosecute warfare.
/r/MensRights21/06/24 02:54 AM
1

That’s the neat thing, the productive bottle neck isn’t manpower. It’s materials. As an example, it takes highly specialized machinery to make a single layer of ceramic plating, of which each soldier needs over a dozen per plate, and 2-4 plates per person. And it’s not just an issue of armor, it’s also medical supplies, ammunition, vehicles, weapon systems, spare parts, etc.
/r/MensRights21/06/24 02:04 AM
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If a political party is wrong about 99 issues, and on the right side for 1, why would I consider supporting said party? If a party is right about 90 issues, and wrong about 10, does that always justify full-stop opposition? Yes, conservatives are right to want to protect traditional homemakers that are busy bringing up the next generation full time, from the trenches; but they now make up such a small part of the population, that we can’t reasonably build systems to specifically ensure their pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 10:36 PM
2

I never said it was a financial constraint. I said it was an economic one. The difference being that you can have all of the money in the world, but you can only buy a thing if it exists and someone’s willing to sell it to you. I’m saying it’s a matter of productive capacity. You can’t send a soldier to the front without guns, ammo, uniforms, food, water, etc. And if you can’t produce those things, there’s no benefit in their deployment.
/r/MensRights20/06/24 09:22 PM
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Not historically, the main bottle neck preventing increases in conscription has (in the last 50 years) been a result of economic constraints. A conscripted soldier is useless if you can’t outfit them with at least some of the equipment to be effective. I definitely don’t see that changing given the two biggest conflicts today are held up by that same effect.
/r/MensRights20/06/24 08:34 PM
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That would be a loss for men’s rights. You’d also need sex-blind job assignment to go along with it.
/r/MensRights20/06/24 08:32 PM
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It’s not more or less conscription. It just means lightening the load by spreading the pain across more demographics.
/r/MensRights20/06/24 08:29 PM
1

There have been attempts do this. It often doesn’t work out for more than a decade. Those with the strictest rules seem to fail the fastest, so draw from that what you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 08:27 PM
1

You said this guy makes no money, why is he working suddenly? Is this fictional man just working for free? That tax thing isn’t true btw, the FEIE only covers like $105k.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:28 AM
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I’ve seen it firsthand, I’ve known women that gradually adopt contemporary western norms around sexuality, gender relations, etc. As long as you aren’t too committed by the time it happens, it’s not a huge deal tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:24 AM
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You can’t “stretch your dollar” to replace an income, especially not when supporting a family. If these men truly have no money, what is “trapping” these women? If such a man is truly poor, how would he be supporting his partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:15 AM
1

There are lurkers in every community, but long time lurkers still can participate later if they choose! I for example, lurked on the Appalachian Trail and other forums for months before I eventually started my thru-hike.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:12 AM
1

To be a long term expat and support a family on one income anywhere, you have to be a high earner at least to the standard of the place you’re living. Being able to do that requires either the business acumen to do it on your own, or the education to get someone else to hire you. I’m not saying all passport bros are well educated, just that they’re better educated than your average American man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:36 AM
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Not well received. My (now ex) wife got caught cheating and tried using sex as a tool to manipulate me into getting over it. I just wasn’t interested, I was worried about paternal uncertainty, STDs, and just generally had shattered trust. She was pretty upset and started begging, it was awkward to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:19 AM
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I’m a pretty traditional guy even when it comes to the matter of the bill. That being said, I often use requests to split the check as a way to signal disinterest in the date.
/r/MensRights20/06/24 01:41 AM
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Reasons 1, 2, and 3 (for the most part) remove the least attractive men from the dating pool. I hardly see how women broadly would be made to feel anxious about that. The only one I can see being any kind of issue for women would be passport bros leaving in larger numbers. Passport bros are disproportionately high earners, multilingual, well educated, and well traveled (obviously). Anecdotally however, we range in attractiveness across the whole spectrum; so I’d roughly estimate most PPBs fall b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 01:37 AM
1

Not sure what belief has to do with anything, given that if you prove a thing to be true, people will believe it. Or are you referring to belief in one person over another without due process or even evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 04:14 PM
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You’re not wrong. It’s good to have someone value you for what you bring to the table, but not just any one thing you bring to the table. Like if someone only valued me for my looks, money, or personality, any of those would make for unfulfilling relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:40 AM
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Spousal selection: picking someone that will be a good spouse Marital work: doing the things that a husband/wife is supposed to do for their spouse, and resolving problems in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:28 AM
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I’ve heard that enough to know that doesn’t narrow down the two potential errors I laid out: spousal selection, or marital work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:18 AM
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I never said equated. I said I never drew a correlation in my statement. Meaning that my statements made no stance known on the subject. After that, I made my stance known.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:08 AM
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The phrase “I never correlated” means that I made no claim one way or the other. I was being functionally neutral, even though I believe that being a homemaker is the most effective means of creating value for the vast majority of women. I’m not sure how you got the idea into your head that production is somehow restricted only to making a paycheck or not. It sounds like you were blessed to have such a good hand of leadership at the helm. While many men’s sacrifices aren’t as easily noticed by t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:03 AM
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I never correlated childcare and providing value to the family. And based on the birth rates of recent generations, our generation wholly isn’t doing even an adequate job of such labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:31 AM
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If he’s so shitty, just preserve some evidence of the abuse, adultery, or refusal to perform his duties as a husband. Then it’s not a no-fault divorce, but you’re also not being forced into a toxic marriage. If the issue is pending the proof, that’s what a separation is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:27 AM
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That attitude has been tried and resulted in a detriment to the social fabric.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 02:25 AM
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I think no-fault divorce’s introduction made society worse off for it. It drastically increased the rate of divorce and normalized the practice, creating a culture that accepted ideas of marriage not being forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 04:55 PM
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That’s the issue, being allowed to destroy a family and walk away with no repercussions. Especially when the person destroying said marriage, hasn’t contributed equally to the creation of said value.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 11:29 AM
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How does this defy RP rhetoric exactly? Your sleeping with a successful, attractive man, and you “choosing” (degree of enthusiasm if this is yet to be seen) to be uncommitted? I’m not redpilled, but you’re a lowkey poster child.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:39 AM
1

Not particularly, of the LDS women in my age range I’ve met, I’d say about half are even interested in being homemakers. Fewer are also want to have 3 or more kids. I have one woman I’m friends with that definitely meets my standards, but I also don’t expect her to wait up for me. I’m already 23, so I’m starting to be open to being a bachelor for life if I don’t meet someone decent for me. But if push really comes to shove, I’m pretty happy being single. I could potentially retire before 40. I’m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 02:58 AM
1

Yes, I am suggesting such women are more rare than you make it out to be. I am LDS (by conversion) and I’d say even in my formerly home-meetinghouse, only one woman in my old YSA group would even meet the standard I laid out. Granted, it’s a college town outside of Utah, so it’s not a great setting to find 20-24 YO women to properly court.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 02:19 AM
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That depends on where you are living. I personally knew a Ukrainian man that used to tutor me for my language skills, he was conscripted. Notice the past tenses in that statement. If you want to avoid state laws you dislike, you can just move to nearby state. But for a man trying to avoid conscription, he would have to become a refugee and find a country willing to take him in; and he had better hope he can find work in a country that may or may not be welcoming, and may or may not speak his lan…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:27 AM
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Can it be helpful? Yes. Do most men need it? No. Imagine telling every broke millennial that can’t afford a house that they just need therapy. That isn’t going to actually make the price of a house lower. The guys around here (that struggle with dating) need to get offline and doing self improvements.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 05:13 AM
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Saying “not since the 70s,” isn’t the flex you think it is. I’m gen Z, and even my parents lived through the draft. I’m directly related to multiple men that have been conscripted in the Vietnam war and other wars. There are times and places in which men born in those windows have as much as a 1 in 3 chance of death by conscription within the last century. You’re comparing skydiving to Russian roulette. Both are dangerous, but to wildly differing degrees and with wildly different levels of probl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 03:41 AM
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One that doesn’t shoot their own dogs would be a nice start, given the somewhat recent news haha. But for real, just a genuine woman that treats him well, values marital commitment, and puts their family first. I’d say only a slight majority of conservative women actually do clear that bar, with many only self-identifying politically.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 03:33 AM
1

Self improvement looks differently for each man. But it often includes education, getting in better physical shape, and reassessing your overall look. It may also include doing things to make yourself more interesting; you DON’T have to take this as far as myself but I’ve joined the military, hiking the whole Appalachian Trail, taken up surfing, taken up combat sports, etc. Depending on your financial state, that may also need some work; this may include income amount or spending habits. Once yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 02:17 AM
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“Conservative” is a political stance, not just a behavior. A good portion of those answering conservative, aren’t actually the kinds of women I’d recommend my sons to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 02:03 AM
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I, as a man, was taught how to braid in boy scouts. Obviously not in school, but it was pretty standard for boys to be taught to do so with ropes. The purpose was being able to make a stronger rope for say, towing, when you only have say 550 cord. But when I was older and had to help my little sister get ready for school growing up, I would do her hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 02:00 AM
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Hey my guy. It takes a lot of work, but I’ve already made my exit. Life is better on the outside, it gets better.
/r/MensRights13/06/24 02:22 AM
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That’s a line of thinking that removes the importance of personal responsibility, erodes concepts of personal property, and eventually leads to tremendous loss of human rights and life. If you can justify taking someone’s money to support someone else’s family, you can just as easily do what was done to the Kulaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 09:17 PM
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There’s really not. If you want to engage in poor decisions, you’re free to do so until you make it my or society’s problem. My objection is that recipients of such benefits don’t have any right to be a burden on others through force.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 08:37 PM
1

Is this person in the room with us now?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:22 PM
1

You seem to be conflating what is happening currently, with what is being suggested that society does differently. I’m not saying we don’t currently provide for other people’s kids as taxpayers; rather I’m saying that I as a taxpayer shouldn’t have to shoulder other’s responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:21 PM
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I’m fully in agreement that the taxpayer base needs replacement over time. Where I disagree with you, is that somehow procreating justifies compensation from taxpayers. If you’re going to have a child, that’s wonderful and important; but the responsibility falls solely on the mother and her husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 03:24 PM
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You choose to have kids, you don’t choose to pay taxes. If you’d take a Quick Look at my username, you’d see I’m very fond of going where I’m treated best. Obviously that idea extends beyond dating and into my taxes, business affairs, QOL, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:04 PM
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As far as I’m aware, no men are saying that it’s unfair. I do think though that the casualness of sex in our culture is something worthy of criticism, and many people conflate those two things as one and the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:50 PM
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The point being raised is that men are (on average) paying more in taxes than women while getting less in return. If the government mandated all people buy the same IPhone every year, but men had to pay $600, while women only paid $400; then yes, both would be getting equal benefits from said taxes, but only by paying significantly different amounts to achieve said output.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:17 PM
1

I did it for camaraderie and doing cool guy shit. I even took a pay cut to do it.
/r/MensRights04/06/24 06:35 PM
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That’s not far from where I land. I usually say “redpillers are usually correct, but are oftentimes morally questionable.”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 06:18 PM
1

All I can say is: do it!*** ***assuming you’ve got yourself already in order. You should already have a steady passive income/remote job, good physique, decent charisma, and ability to speak the local language. I don’t say any of that to dissuade you from being a PPB. I’m just trying to keep things realistic. If you are that kind of guy and could make it work, you’d be stupid to keep trying to date stateside.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 05:00 PM
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If you have a good woman that rightfully wants to be provided for, needing a man with a steady income is perfectly reasonable. I’ve always compared a man with wealth to a beautiful woman. If she is wanted only for her beauty, it’s a problem. If she is wanted partly for her beauty, that’s to be expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 04:23 PM
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I haven’t seen any comments saying that. It sounds like you’re only taking on the dumbest possible take of your opposing view.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:09 AM
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I mean if you meet an asocial guy like Jake, more power to you. But he comes off as an outlier imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 07:23 PM
1

I have a good family friend who was in that situation when I was growing up. He just dated and later married a younger woman. I don’t see why that’s not an option if you’re attractive and successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 10:59 AM
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It’s not fair to cherry pick the safest variety of bear and compare to a much more diverse cohort. It’d be much more fair to compare all people (including men) to all bears. Most of which are obviously capable of harm, but with no desire to deal with your BS. Then there are some like grizzly bears, dangerous, but generally harmless unless provoked. And then a tiny number of polar bears, wants violence, sincerely wants to eat you.
/r/MensRights12/05/24 01:26 AM
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Considering the UK is 1% of the global population, and the US has about 5%, it’s pretty comparable.
/r/MensRights12/05/24 01:09 AM
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As an American that likes good bread, I wouldn’t call it wonderbread, bread. If it doesn’t go bad in a week or less, it’s generally not real bread.
/r/MensRights11/05/24 08:39 PM
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Why would a successful guy date such a woman? I don’t get it, but maybe he’s happy. Would I date a woman older than myself? Unlikely, but you do you. Would I date a single mom? No, I’d like to have children of my own. I’m not going to want to split attention between my own and someone else’s kid(s). It would lead to obvious favoritism that would only harm the step child.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 10:52 AM
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I think the disparity in those stats is primarily the difference in physical strength. If women were the stronger sex, I’d imagine the tables would be turned.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 01:09 PM
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I reject the premise that elective abortion is a method to control one’s body. They’re controlling another person’s body out of self interest. So again, why the right to murder, but not the right to abandon?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 06:04 PM
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I agree that neither sex has a right to abortion in any form. But since one sex is being given such a right unjustly, that discrimination in that regard is only making such injustices worse. But in a equitably pro-choice system, that would mean men not need to take on custody to avoid support costs. If one sex can avoid all reproductive labor, then both deserve the same treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 05:20 PM
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If a man (under a pro-choice system) has consented to fatherhood, yes. Child support should be continual. But since fathers don’t have the ability to consent to their relationship with the child, that’s what makes it forced labor. I’ve heard plenty of pro-choice activists compare forced birth to forced labor, I’m not sure why you think there is a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 05:01 PM
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If a man (under a pro-choice system) has consented to fatherhood, yes. Child support should be continual. But since fathers don’t have the ability to consent to their relationship with the child, that’s what makes it forced labor. I’ve heard plenty of pro-choice activists compare forced birth to forced labor, I’m not sure why you think there is a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 05:01 PM
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Child support does not stop when you quit your job. Taxation is strictly proportional to income. If I sold all of my investments and quit working, I’d stop paying taxes. Therefore one thing is legally forcing one to work, while the other is a proportional deduction from one’s labor. While neither are good, one can at least be lawfully avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:48 PM
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The threat of prison/jail for non-payment of large portions of one’s income. The state is the organization that is doing the forcing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:22 PM
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That’s not the goal, but a potential consequence of equal treatment. That’s why a pro-life system that maintains equal treatment is superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:34 PM
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Exactly, if something like COVID happened again, but effected our food supply, it’d be a really handy skill to preserve fruits, meats, and veggies. We saw just how quickly toilet paper ran out when people thought there’d be a shortage, imagine how fast the same happens when they think their food is next. We’ve seen close calls with bird flu, mad cow disease, etc. So I see no reason to have a backup plan in case certain staple foods are hard to come by for a few weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 11:53 AM
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That’s not a flaw, it’s an intended consequence. Much like how Margaret Sanger intended the same thing for women when she founded planned parenthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 11:30 AM
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I agree that it’s mutual. That’s why both sexes must have equal opportunity to opt out, or (preferably) neither party has that option.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:06 AM
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Working illegally and being forced to work by the state, sometimes to the point of premature death are not remotely comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:05 AM
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You’re right that they’re fading skills, but I think it’s good to keep the flame burning on old timely skills and crafts. Many of them can be life saving. Not all, I’m a hobby blacksmith, I’d hardly call that a vital skill. But I can field dress deer, turkeys, etc. because I grew up on a farm in rural wisconsin.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:03 AM
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Depends on the man, and depends on the woman. Some men are more flexible on age, some women age more gracefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 03:03 AM
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Men also die prematurely as a result of decades of excess forced labor. If men dying from a lack of rights is kosher in your mind, why is women dying bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 03:01 AM
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The Tonkin resolution was the thing that enabled the draft. The list is displaying who did/didn’t support the resolution over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:57 AM
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It’s not a man’s decision to have sex or not. That’s a mutual thing. Same goes for condoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:56 AM
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I mean not being harmed is healthcare in a way. Just like it’s not conventionally thought of as healthcare, but not running someone over is helping their health. And being forced by the state to perform additional labor for decades on end is obviously going to cause poor health effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:49 AM
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Is there a wider point to your assertion? You asked for a list of detractors to the draft, so a cited a mediocre one. I’m not seeing an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:11 AM
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I’m not saying they don’t sincerely feel that way. But if a klan member were to say the same about a black man, you’d rightfully think he’s a racist. Even if the klan member used crime states in an attempt to justify his hatred.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:09 AM
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My hypothesis: there are women that publicly claim they’d choose being with a bear in the woods over a man. Sexism is a hell of a drug. But sexism can also be implicit, much like racism. I think the WAW effect is just a manifestation of that implicit bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:53 AM
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I’m not making a full list when Wikipedia has one here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:48 AM
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I mean it happens in women most strongly. So I’d recommend asking the question again, but aimed at fellow women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:41 AM
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The “it” I’m referring to is the decision to revive the draft during the war in Vietnam. I’m not sure what insider trading has to do with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:34 AM
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“No one is punished” in abortion? You mean except for the baby, right? Because the baby does die, I don’t know if there’s any such thing as a worse punishment than a real life spawn kill. That aside, the same can be said about women. You haven’t made any argument about why the woman deserves the right to commit murder, and how that’s somehow less evil than abandonment. For the sake of honesty though, I’ll give my position: I think all babies conceived of consensually, deserve the right to protec…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:31 AM
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That doesn’t just mean politicians that voted on it. That includes officers overseeing conscripts, they sent men to die involuntarily just as much as the senators that enacted the draft to begin with. The last of which didn’t leave office until may of last year. That’s less than one year ago as of now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:23 AM
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If women are the the only ones that determine parental status of both parties, yes, it is solely the woman’s choice. If women are to receive unilateral and exclusive rights, that comes with exclusive and unilateral responsibilities. Now if you’ll excuse me
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:08 AM
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If those with power are willing to send men without power to die in Vietnam just cuz, I doubt there would be a second thought doing the same as soon as birth rates dip below 2.2 per man.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 12:56 AM
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For every man having unprotected sex, there’s a woman consenting to that, no? So why is only the man in need of “punishment.” As a pro-life man, I actually agree that people are too cavalier with protection. I think that consenting to sex, is consenting to parenthood. So shouldn’t elective abortions be outlawed if you truly agree with the statement you made? Are you ok with handing out legal penalties on the basis of sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 12:54 AM
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The incentive (pro-life jurisdiction) would be to avoid strict child support related penalties at the risk of jail time. The incentive (pro-choice jurisdiction) would be that women would be more careful choosing partners that will stick around. Either way, as a pro-life guy, my goal of reducing abortion still get achieved.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 12:04 AM
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Given how men are treated so expendably in matters of criminal sentencing (when adjusted for external variables), conscription, and domestic violence victim assistance; I’d (somewhat hyperbolically) estimate the punishment for abortion would be the death.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 11:59 PM
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Ok well I dislike you much less in that light. I think it was more so your support system failing you. I wish you both best of luck in finding peace!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 11:27 PM
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You mean to tell me he wasn’t making you happy, you married him anyway, and this is all his fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 09:10 PM
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Those are good skills, men can learn them as well. But women are less likely to have skills similar to what I outlined earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 09:07 PM
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Because men don’t have the choice of opting out post-conception. If women were forced into parenthood in the same way, I’m sure you’d see similar effects. That and implicitly and explicitly misandrist aspects of child custody also have an impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 09:06 PM
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I don’t think men raised by single moms can’t reach their kids such skills. Just that men raised by single moms are much more likely to have skills gaps in the areas I outlined. I also never called anyone a victim, sometimes being a single mom isn’t avoidable if the father dies for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:14 PM
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It’s absolutely not a pissing contest, nor was it necessarily looking to see if you personally have those skills. Rather, they’re rhetorical questions about the sons of single mothers. I’m saying the vast majority of men raised in such conditions don’t end up learning the kinds of skills men should absolutely have. I had a cousin raised by a single mom, and he’s a very talented craftsman thanks to my father and uncles. So I’m not acting as if all men in such situations are somehow helpless; I’m …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:08 PM
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That’s not unreasonable to want to date a virgin. I’m really not seeing where he went wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 05:43 PM
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Hence why I used terms like “largely avoid,” not “completely prevent.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 05:41 PM
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I haven’t heard anything he did wrong. He sounds like a fine guy from what you’ve said. If you have some info that would change my mind, then I’m all ears.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 05:18 PM
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I’m not asking any questions about a fantasy land. I’m asking if you can justify the division of rights on the basis of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 05:14 PM
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Ok, Karen.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 05:13 PM
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I don’t know you, so the phrase “I turned out fine” means nothing. I also didn’t say you will commit a crime. Just because someone is in a demographic like lead-exposed children, are more likely to wind up committing a crime, that doesn’t mean they’re automatically a criminal. That’s not how stats work. But I will ask about some skills you learned/didn’t learn as a kid. Can you change your own oil with the proper tools on your own? Can you assemble/disassemble and clean a simple rifle? How’s you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 05:09 PM
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Exactly. It’s not the place for the state to grant rights, only to exclude the use of such rights on the basis of sex. Even if they are not justified rights for any person to hold, discrimination is still immoral in itself. I’d look at a deadbeat dad similarly to a woman that choose to have an abortion. Not good people, but operating under the systems in which they exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:58 PM
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I don’t doubt you suffer. But you’re also choosing to willfully inflict worse suffering onto others, which makes you a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:55 PM
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“If you said such hateful things about any other group, you’d be rightfully seen as an awful person. It’s a shame you don’t see it.”
/r/MensRights29/04/24 04:53 PM
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If replacing the word “man” with “black man” makes your answer sound racist, your answer is misandrist.
/r/MensRights29/04/24 04:51 PM
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That’s very true. Having a good trait is good, but carrying it badly is worse than not having it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:49 PM
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It’s not a right to kill your child either. I’m saying if one sex is being given a right to do evil, at the exclusion of the other, that exclusion is evil in itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:47 PM
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I fail to see what he did to you. But it sounds like the guy just wanted a wife, just because you choose not to fit the bill, nor fix it, I don’t see where he went wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:44 PM
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Not at all, I’m saying it depends. If you live in a pro-life jurisdiction, then deadbeat parents need to be brought to justice. In a pro-choice jurisdiction, the government does not have the right to withhold individual’s “rights” on the basis of sex. So if a man chooses non-involvement, that’s his choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:42 PM
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I wouldn’t (under the current system) fault a man that skips out and is a deadbeat. Now say he’s a father in a place like Alabama, where the woman doesn’t have abortion as an option, that guy would be a pretty awful guy. But if it’s in California, then I’d never speak out against a man trying to exercise what is his rightful choice under such a system.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:37 PM
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You might as well be a divorced cat lady, you’re just dragging down a perfectly normal person down with you. Bro had a perfectly reasonable standard and you somehow think that justifies trying to sabotage his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:27 PM
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I agree, I think consent to sex is consent to the risk of pregnancy, and everything that comes with that for both sexes. But seeing as we live in a society which allows and implicitly incentivizes such killings, men deserve the right to declare complete non-involvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:25 PM
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Men being older is pretty normal in hetero relationships. That stat would include 21 year old men with 19 year old women, so I’d hardly call that a problem until you isolate sincerely bad actors. Additionally, there used to be social expectations to marry if you father a child with a woman. The erosion of such norms are hardly helping.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:21 PM
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I’m not sure what “truth” you weren’t told, but that’s a hugely unhealthy way to look at things. If sleeping around were going to prevent you from feeling this way, then maybe just let the guy be happy on his own? It sounds like you’re content with your antagonism, so I pray your husband ultimately finds his peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:18 PM
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Both parties presumably consented in your scenario. Only one party is offered multiple off ramps following that initial decision. That is unjust. My proposal isn’t meant to solve that issue. It’s meant to resolve an inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:13 PM
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Even the best single mothers are simply incapable of providing what is needed for a child, especially boys. Boys need more roughhousing play as part of their social-emotional development. That’s how young boys learn about boundaries, limits, and even consent from a young age. They also get healthy masculine role models, male-dominated skills, and they also better learn to socialize with other men as opposed to mixed-sex groups. When boys don’t get that, they are much more likely to later commit …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:09 PM
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Chooses bad partner has baby with said partner bad partner becomes bad father shocked pikachu face
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:01 PM
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If women are going to be given unilateral ability to literally killing the kid, men should at a minimum have unilateral autonomy over their own involvement. That said, I still think the prevalence of single parent households is a massive problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:00 PM
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The fact that the same is not asked about mothers goes a great way towards demonstrating misandry on an implicit level. That aside, outcomes are almost universally better with fathers involved in the child’s life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 03:58 PM
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That’s only half of it, but yes to a genuinely good partner that wants a man that is able to provide, being able to provide is going to be a requirement. That does come with the risk of gold diggers, but that’s why we vet the people we date closely.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 03:51 PM
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No guy wants a sexless marriage to a woman who hates him. While yes, virgin women are hugely preferable to the alternative; you can’t drive over the speed limit while drunk, get pulled over, and tell the cop it’s what he wanted because you wore a seatbelt. Relativeyak surprisingly enough, cited some great literature on the subject. Admittedly, I only skimmed one of those authors for a psych class, but they have some good work.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 03:22 PM
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You can do a lot. I’ve met plenty of guys that take good care of themselves and get more attractive. It’s also a huge matter of building charisma and wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 03:14 PM
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It sounds like you’ve already left your husband without letting him move on. I got married at 19 and divorced before I even turned 20. She left me for another guy while I was away in the army getting some training done. While I obviously hate that she did that, as marriage is sacred to me; what he’s going through sounds worse than my situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 02:18 PM
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I mean no one can make you to enjoy anything. It’s all about what we approach with effort and an open mind. But therapy can go a long way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 02:02 PM
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He’s not the one destroying anything alone in that hypothetical, it takes two to make a dead bedroom lead to infidelity after all. But it’s only a hypothetical, so that’s besides the point. So if his decisions are between marital celibacy, obvious duty sex, or an affair; and that’s just ok with you? Doesn’t he ever ask about counseling? It sounds like you hate him to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 01:49 PM
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Like I said, you seemingly did everything right. But that doesn’t mean bad things don’t happen to good people. It sounds like you’re pretty bitter that you married young. While that’s a pretty rare thing IME, you can work through that and enjoy the benefits that come with your decision. I have to ask though, are you worried at all about your husband being unfaithful? I’m not suggesting it’s your fault at all. But expecting anyone to be maritally celibate is rarely doable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 12:47 PM
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Not at all. That guy can still self improve and get himself to a place in life where he can land a good partner that will treat him well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 12:38 PM
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Statistically speaking, you can largely avoid this issue as a woman. Heavily vet your partner, marry him, and never file for divorce. Since women leaving their husbands are so much more common than the vice versa, you can just choose to not have that issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 12:34 PM
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You can make every good decision in life, drive carefully, wear a seatbelt, not look at your phone, and still get injured in a car crash. I say that to mean you made no bad decisions from the sounds of it (unless you didn’t vet your husband, which I’d doubt). I wish you both the best of luck, marriage counseling is going to be a must. Making things work and spending your life with that person is honestly the best thing I can think of to do with one’s life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 12:30 PM
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He never said “not redpill,” only “not good.”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 01:22 PM
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Should people not be allowed to criticize members of their own belief system?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 12:33 PM
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He never specifically said they aren’t redpill, just that they’re not the best voices to learn about his ideas on an introductory level.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 12:29 PM
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I confide in my army buddies a lot. They’re long distance friendships, but they mean the world to me. But I also understand that I’m really blessed to have that support system.
/r/MensRights28/04/24 01:26 AM
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I’m a young man in college and this is the first I’m hearing about this. I’m flabbergasted at some of these changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 01:43 PM
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As a bisexual guy, I don’t tell women that I date about it. This is super common among straight women, couldn’t tell you why.
/r/MensRights27/04/24 01:41 PM
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I’m not sure where you get the idea that femininity is useless. It has plenty of important roles in society, just as masculinity does. Seeing that which is feminine as useless is misogyny in its own right, no? I used the stat about premarital sex to demonstrate a source like you’d wanted. Church involvement and religiosity are some of those things I want a partner that shares in enjoying with me. Something can be sad but also not my problem, that’s all I’m saying. I fail to see how those things …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 12:26 PM
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Oh I may be an American man, but I don’t date American women for similar reasons to what I laid out. I prefer dating abroad in more socially conservative countries that align with my values. But the highest birth rate in Europe isn’t really the flex you may think it is. It’s like being the tallest midget or the fastest tortoise. If you’re not even making replacement rate, you don’t really have a leg to stand on with your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 11:42 AM
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I was raised by women that were feminine but absolutely not useless. There’s a difference. My source is that rates of premarital sex is much higher than it used to be. Is the US, it more than doubled between 1960 and 2007. I enjoy having a partner that wants to do similar things to what I already enjoy doing. Just like how I’d love to find a woman interested in rock climbing, skiing, or backpacking. Even those are obviously not standards of mine. I don’t care what other people do with their live…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 11:36 AM
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If you need a judge’s permission to get the test, the joke still stands. But those customs sound pretty sad. You don’t get a woman that is feminine, she’s very likely “been around the block” to put it politely, few young women there attend church if that’s your thing, and the willingness to have children is very low (assuming you’re the dad of course lmao).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 05:19 AM
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Make sure that kid is actually yours, then we can talk lmao. But seriously, that sounds pretty sad overall. It’s why I choose to date in more conservative countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 08:02 PM
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Imagine replacing sex discrimination with racial discrimination. “Well obviously your white colleagues went on an anti-black rant, you were black-splaining” -some judge
/r/MensRights24/04/24 05:30 PM
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I hear it coming from women most often. Men don’t typically think of their careers or education as intimidating IME.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 01:36 PM
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You’re not wrong. I’ve run into sexpats that call themselves passport bros. I usually just express disgust and ignore them, but some seem to crave validation from other men in the community. It’s weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:27 PM
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It’s not really a movement, nor are you explaining what about being a PPB is so bad. You’ve laid out a good case against sexpats. But what’s wrong with going to another country to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:44 AM
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It’s definitely not the main focus, but in moderation, it’s all in good fun. Though it’s a matter of purpose, saying such things can motivate/encourage many men to seek out better situations for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:41 AM
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I wouldn’t say it’s outdated. But rather, early AI was wildly ahead of its time and quickly outpaced the capabilities of our hardware. Now that the hardware side has caught up, now there is more room for growth. Will it take away jobs? Yes. Will it create new jobs and make other jobs less tedious? Also yes, every technology has that effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 04:47 PM
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link. Not only can it read stories, but it could summarize them independently. This was all the way back in 1993. AI only took so long to develop because we didn’t have the processing power to do more than that up until recently. By the mid 2000s, a similar program could actually differentiate fiction and non-fiction stories with decent accuracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:19 AM
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That AI capability has been a thing since the mid 1990s. It’s called DISCERN, it was made by UT Austin.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:57 AM
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I don’t really like pearl, and this is only my opinion. But an agreeable, low conflict personality is a huge priority to me on par with things like religious values and wanting kids. I’d honestly put looks to second tier priority (to a large degree).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 03:25 AM
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This, she only cosplays as the kind of women guys would want to be partnered to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 03:23 AM
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Sensitivity and self selection bias. People are generally more sensitive and on the lookout for something which can be labelled as hatefulness to avoid dealing with the valid points that other people bring up. Much like how pointing out bad things that Israel does will frequently land you the label of “antisemitic.” There’s also self selection. Red-pill-identifying men are generally guided by either having too much or too little success with women. Both of those things in excessive amounts can r…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:28 AM
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I misread that and thought she was 17, almost flamed you in the comments lmao
/r/MensRights17/04/24 10:28 PM
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It’s all about balance. Ask too many questions and it feels like an interview, ask too few and you won’t really know if the person you went out with is worth meeting again.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:19 AM
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It’s meant to be a difficult but introspective question. The best answers I’ve gotten were things about being compassionate, a good listener, or even just being the type of person that doesn’t give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:17 AM
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So profiling isn’t necessarily racial. You see plenty based on sex, religion, and appearance. I’m stating profiling happens fast enough that it doesn’t have to include explicit thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:30 PM
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“When I say religions I’m excluding Christianity, despite it being the largest religion. I’m not going to specify that, you just have to know what I mean.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:56 PM
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We are talking about it given that OLD is the single largest way my generation meets people to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 07:10 PM
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You still don’t. Deciding who to talk to on an app or via text is a pretty snap decision that happens faster than one could really consider their motivations.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 06:17 PM
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People don’t need to explicitly label someone to treat them differently. Like how most cops that kill minorities likely don’t think “oh a minority, time to start blasting.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 06:06 PM
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Again not wrong, but I’m also the type that tends to spend a lot of time on my work, so that’s just not what I’m looking for. Ideally, I hope to find someone that wants a be a homemaker or part timer at a passion job. As someone who’s lived the life of working 60+ hours per week to come home and cook my own meals/clean the house, I don’t really want to live that life with another person to worry about. I did that once before, and it resulted in me doing nearly all of the housework because I’m a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 06:00 PM
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Honestly, I don’t think it’s a bad thing. More people at least thinking in a marriage minded manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:25 PM
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You’re not wrong that men’s earnings would still matter due to child rearing work. But I have found that many women wrap their value around their jobs much like men tend to as a result of their dedication to their careers. One question I often ask on a first date is “what’s the best part of what makes you, you?” And I get a lot of answers about her job or degree, which in my opinion is a definitive yellow flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:22 PM
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I mean a few issues here first off: how do you define misogyny? I haven’t heard you give a standard, but it sounds like you’re just calling everyone you disagree with a misogynist. Also the availability heuristic. You notice what stands out to you most. That mixed with the confirmation bias and the superiority complex you seem to have going on, you’ve got one spicy pie. I’ve seen plenty of actual hatred on both sides enough that I don’t think there is a significant difference in quantity. There …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:08 AM
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It’s largely agreed that feminism only has three main schools of thought (liberal, radical, and socialist), each of which represented by formal organizations to varying degrees. What you would call the manosphere has at a minimum double that between the MGTOWs, PPBs, PUAs, classic redpillers, black pillers, tradcons, sexpats, MRAs, and probably more. As far as I’m aware, only the MRAs even have a formal organization. Misogyny is also not a requirement to be a part of the manosphere. I honestly d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:09 AM
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The “Manosphere” isn’t an ideology. It’s an umbrella term that’s almost exclusively an exonym to describe groups of people with little to nothing in common. It lumps together trad cons with sexpats, while both groups agree about some basic redpill concepts, have wildly differing solutions and values. It also lumps passport bros with black pill-ers, who again, agree about some basic ideas, yet vastly divided by solutions. I consider myself purple because of my traditional values. So what about pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:47 AM
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I have no idea what I just read, but if you ever change your mind, my DMs are always open.
/r/MensRights13/04/24 11:07 PM
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I’ve been living on my own for almost 6 years and bought a house before I could legally drink, I’ll be fine. But my church has actually been growing faster than the overall population, even in the last decade. That’s not why I have faith, but it’s not shrinking.
/r/MensRights13/04/24 02:14 PM
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I’m cool with answering any one issue at a time to avoid Gish galloping. I’m not aware of any trafficking, abuse, or DV issues happening within the church to any extent worse than outside of the church. Obviously any large group of people is going to come with some bad people bringing their evil doings with them. But I’d like to tackle the tithing. I’m going to make my case assuming you are a Christian, if not then we should be starting with more fundamental questions than tithing. But both the …
/r/MensRights13/04/24 03:06 AM
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I’m not going to pretend like any answer I give will change your mind, but if you ever do change your mind, my DMs are always open.
/r/MensRights13/04/24 12:42 AM
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I always appreciate those kinds of questions, but it’s lacking a particular question or criticism. Like do you have a particular issue with the church, or just a general dislike? I suppose I could go over the first point about excommunication. Excommunication is meant to be a removal of someone from a church. Every organized religion does it to some extent, even if called by a different name. But in LDS doctrine, there is a particular emphasis on the desire for that person to reform so that they…
/r/MensRights12/04/24 10:55 PM
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Many conservative churches still value male leadership! I converted to the LDS faith in small part because of that appreciation. If you’re considering making that kind of change, my DMs are always open.
/r/MensRights12/04/24 09:33 PM
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Christian guy here with similar experience. I converted to Mormonism in part because of the same experience you described. When someone says that thing about forgiveness and overlooking her past, I usually say: “God may forgive all sins, but that doesn’t mean I as a man, should have to bear the consequences of your actions.” I already have one divorce, and I’m already a passport bro, but I’m American dating one last chance while I’m finishing my degree. If that doesn’t work out, I don’t think I’…
/r/MensRights12/04/24 09:31 PM
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Whether or not it prevents STDs is irrelevant. It’s performing an unnecessary surgical operation on an infant without the child’s ability to consent.
/r/MensRights11/04/24 12:28 PM
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It leaves all eyes equally blind. If the goal is equality, equally restricted is still an option. As a pro-life man, usually say that I’m just fighting for equality out of smartassiness.
/r/MensRights10/04/24 02:01 AM
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Say what you will, it’s the closest thing to equality possible in my view.
/r/MensRights10/04/24 01:35 AM
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I usually just respond with this meme
/r/MensRights10/04/24 01:31 AM
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You’re saying “young women carry the risk of making bad decisions” OC is saying “young women have easiest access to the best potential partners” Those two takes don’t necessarily contradict. Just like how investing is best if you do it early on due to compounding. But investing very poorly is also a bigger risk when you lack experience. I made some very risky investment decisions that in I retrospect, thank God everyday that it somehow worked out so well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 11:14 PM
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I might be an outlier, as this is just my opinion. But I’d honestly take a below average trad wife over a drop dead gorgeous, but otherwise regular woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 06:43 PM
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The only push back I would give is anecdotal. I really don’t think any man would be opposed to dating a virgin woman, but many women would be put off by a virgin man.
/r/MensRights05/04/24 07:09 PM
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Personal preference. Exceptions can be made, but I find that to be unlikely to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 06:04 PM
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To start off: congratulations on your marriage. That aside: it’s a good thing to go where you’re treated best. Where your tax obligations are low, cost of living is low, and your dating pool is heavily improved. I have no plans on changing course.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:51 PM
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I have seen some of this in my travels. Guys that don’t bother learning her language within the PPB community do bother me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:47 PM
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Sexpats and sex tourists are not passport bros. They don’t belong in PPB spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:45 PM
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Being a passport bro or sex tourist are mutually exclusive things, it’s odd that you pair the two. Traveling to date doesn’t mean you have to have struggle bussed while dating in your home country. During my time dating in the states, I had a set of expectations and found only 2 women that met each part. Think things like desiring to be a homemaker, religious (Christian), unwilling to sleep around, no children, wanting 3 or more kids in total, minimal debt, and close to me in age, Asian or White…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:43 PM
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Differing social conditions would be my first thought. A below average woman can often appear above average (at first glance and in photos at least) with makeup alone. If a man wore makeup to attempt the same strategy, most normie women will find that off putting. Being an above average man is also more difficult than becoming an above average women. To be treated as an above average woman, you just have to maintain a healthy weight and be friendly/approachable. To be treated as an above average…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:10 PM
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Anecdotal, but it’s really not that hard to have women approach you occasionally. It’s never been more than maybe twice in a month for me, but it’s still doable for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:56 PM
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Obviously any cheater/domestic abuser in a marriage is the faulted party, I didn’t think that needed explicit acknowledgment. There’s no evidence of men neglecting their marriages to the degree you seem to be describing. As someone that has dated many men and women, men just tend to be more persevering during difficult patches in relationships. Men (in my experience) also tend to be much more forgiving of past mistakes and willing to move past it. Anecdotal, but I remember one time I was dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 10:08 PM
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Men only cheat 7% more than women, while women are more than twice as likely to file. Even when not counting cheating or DV, that still means women are leaving men at a massive rate in comparison to the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 06:31 PM
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Which part do you take issue with? The fault, or the effects?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:47 AM
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The implication is that men tend to suffer the most financially from divorce, yet they are less often the party responsible. Pretty fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:11 AM
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Statistically, the men aren’t generally the ones doing the divorcing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:02 AM
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Most organized religions would be considered hate groups under such a standard. Especially when you consider all of the pro-life churches out there.
/r/MensRights31/03/24 03:36 AM
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Imagine saying that about islam: “this mosque in my town belongs to faction of Islam, a sometimes extremist and violent ideology. However, my local mosque has had no violent incidents attributed to them.”
/r/MensRights31/03/24 03:34 AM
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I have many overlapping opinions with MRAs. Things like changing divorce laws to eliminate financial incentives to break up families, keeping fathers in children’s lives in the event of divorce, and increasing the economic viability for single income households.
/r/MensRights24/03/24 01:09 AM
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Tradcon here, I really couldn’t care less what mgtow men do. Finding a decent partner is way too difficult as it is, convincing mgtow guys would only increase competition for a depressingly small pool of good partners. It’s already so bad finding a decent partner, that I’ve taken to converting to a more conservative denomination (partly out of theological disagreement, partly to be with people that share my values).
/r/MensRights23/03/24 12:54 PM
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I mean even after conception, she would still have the option to kill the baby prior to birth, avoiding of such ramifications.
/r/MensRights21/03/24 05:13 PM
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Something that is fully avoidable can’t really be held up as a hinderance to the whole of any population. Additionally, it’s best to ask: if a force of nature is resulting in difficulties in doing something, why are you so set on fighting what is natural? It hasn’t left women overall any happier going off of the happiness polls over the decades. It sounds like the solution would be specialization, allowing people to specialize in the tasks they have a comparative advantage for. ETA: username che…
/r/MensRights21/03/24 05:11 PM
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Was it always mostly hateful? No. It’s like a ship of Theseus situation, take the ship of feminism, replace plank by plank with misandry. Eventually, it’s just a ship made out of solely misandrist planks, sailing under the ship of feminism name.
/r/MensRights16/03/24 12:23 AM
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Not a redpill guy, am traditional, but I’ll try an answer. I reject the premise that redpill guys really want casual sex. Having talked to a few redpillers, they seem to want a traditional partner but can’t reasonably expect to find that. Since finding a decent partner is so out of reach, I think casual sex is seen as just the most realistic, but subprime, solution. Kind of like the fresh and fit take: “finding a virgin isn’t realistic, so you should sleep with many women before marrying.” While…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:24 PM
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Safety is only one of the variables that women seem to select for when choosing a partner. So maxing out selectivity for only one trait means likely compromising the others to a degree most people wouldn’t go for.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 01:40 PM
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The kind definitely plays a role, but it’s ordinarily not a huge deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 04:02 AM
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If the sexual relationship is good, what’s the problem with a woman watching porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 02:25 AM
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What’s a man going to do? Contest the divorce? Force them to stay married?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 09:51 PM
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Imagine getting told you’re creepy for showing up to work and wanting to do your assigned work.
/r/MensRights21/02/24 03:22 PM
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I suppose there’s also the jehovas witnesses for example, but they don’t like vets/service members, I am a vet and may be rejoining as an officer after college. Episcopalianism, while similar to my original faith, is very liberal. Lutheranism, Methodism, etc. could be a maybe though. I am a catholic, but the dating pool within my congregation back home was non-existent. Almost exclusively older people and families, with a only 4 women in my age range, one of which I am related to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:31 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:07 PM
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It really not, but I’m already religious and can just travel to countries with proportionally more women that fit my preferences. I also love the low COL, lower taxes, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:07 PM
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I’ve actually considered conversion to Mormonism. I already don’t drink coffee as I hate the stuff, and I’ve even read much of the Book of Mormon to learn more. The LDS church though, comes with drawbacks. I’d have to give up 10% of my income as tithing. Because of that and cost of living differences, being a passport bro makes more sense to me. If I ever have a change in lifestyle that shifts that calculus, I may convert in the future. Especially if I end up having to move back to the US due to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:05 PM
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Men are also part of society, that doesn’t necessitate you marry, cohabitate, or have kids with a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 12:58 PM
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I think that was refreshing to hear
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 06:42 AM
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It’s mostly just men’s rights, and mental health stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 03:50 PM
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It was just a glance, but I didn’t see anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 03:38 PM
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Looking at his post history, OP doesn’t seem to be misogynistic at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 02:27 PM
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None, there is no 100% effective option for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 11:58 AM
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Try your best and get her into a counseling office to work on things. Don’t give up if you haven’t tried everything you can!
/r/MensRights08/02/24 02:56 AM
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Yes condoms are a precaution, but not the precaution. There are other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 02:53 AM
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The usually the context I hear it in. I have a coworker that I sit right next to is constantly complaining she can’t find a “good man”. It’s pretty annoying. Granted, her ex husband cheated and left her. But she’s a single mom in her late 40s, and expects a man that makes more than her, is good looking, 5’10”+, etc. and she actively complains about it on a near weekly basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 10:29 PM
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Yeah, I’ll probably say something along the lines of “you’re asking for way too much.” But that aside, I’m not your mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 10:19 PM
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I think some people have unhealthily high standards and would benefit from being humbled. This goes both ways to at least some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 10:13 PM
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Like I said, that’s still not a 0% chance. Additionally, would you say women that don’t take such precautions should also be denied abortions?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 07:53 PM
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I don’t deny you can treat social anxiety. But as far as the shortness thing goes, I think a lot of it depends on being exceptional in some other area. Which is sad in its own way, the idea that some guys are fundamentally defective/less than in the eyes of the opposite sex and have to make up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 05:41 PM
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In the military I worked in MI and IT, which are both notorious havens for socially awkward men. But almost all of them were in good shape because we had to be, and had a very strong social support system. I remember how some of my peers were treated by the opposite sex, that were either below average looks (or decent looking, just short). It was pretty awful. I set up a friend of mine with a friend of my (then) girlfriend, and they texted for over a week before they went out on a date. I told h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 05:21 PM
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That’s absolutely what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 04:53 PM
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What’s a joke is authorizing government spying on American citizens using secret judges issuing something called a “fisa warrant”. They’re appointed from and by the very organizations they’re meant to provide oversight. They have massive conflicts of interest. Given the utter apathy displayed in the face of such privacy violations, no reasonable person could conclude that any privacy concerns issued by that same group are legitimate. And given the fact that at least one of the judges of the Supr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 04:32 PM
1

And what if the person asking that question, is the victim?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:03 PM
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I’m comparing you to pro lifers that liken women’s abortion rights to murder. Arguing against the Supreme Court? Yes. They’re a largely unaccountable body which has given itself the power to fundamentally change laws and the constitution unilaterally.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:02 PM
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I’m not saying “or”, but rather that it could be any combination of those methods.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:21 AM
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I’m saying that under social contract theory, we all consent to the rules of a society by living in it. So the idea of passively consenting to processes already has precedence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:13 AM
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Have you ever immigrated to another country? It’s an even more involved process. It usually takes 10+ years. I started on it over two years ago, and I have only gotten final approval for my visa a couple weeks ago. Then I have to live there for several years, apply for an extension for my visa, take a naturalization test, take a language test, and then I’ll be done within a year or so from then. So if that’s consent to taxation, taking a day or two off work is a fine amount of hardship to opt ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:39 AM
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If you have the option to stop something at any time, and you don’t stop that process, you’ve implicitly consented. Just like how you implicitly consent to pay taxes by residing in the place you live and participating in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:56 PM
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Male abortive rights aren’t about unprotected sex/child neglect any more than female abortive rights is about unprotected sex/murder. Also privacy has nothing to do with killing anyone. No judge sincerely believes that abortion is a matter of privacy, when those same judges rule that it’s fine for the NSA to spy on your cell phone. The privacy argument is scarcely more than a legal fiction we collectively tell ourselves as a means to an end.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:46 PM
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About “passing the bill onto society”, I think that even if a thing is a net negative for society, rights should still be protected. I think abortion is a bad thing because it kills a person, but it should be protected anyway because consent to sex isn’t consent to pregnancy. Or that alcohol and other drugs are still bad, but shouldn’t be criminalized. That doesn’t mean though, that taxpayers would or should have to compensate people for choosing to have kids while unmarried. I think the ultimat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 10:44 PM
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Only due to a statement you made that made it sound like women should have the right to choose, but that men should not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 09:23 PM
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Wait, is your position that men should have the right to statutory abortion? Or is it that abortion should only be allowed for rape? I think I misunderstood you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 09:15 PM
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Saying “women need abortion because of the potential for rape, but men don’t need abortive rights”, is absolutely implying that men cannot be raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 09:03 PM
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That’s more of a welfare issue than an abortion issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 09:01 PM
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Men can also be raped. Male rape victims can be imprisoned for not paying child support to the rapist. Also if a man uses a condom and a woman becomes pregnant, he’s not exempt from support (under the current law). It sounds like you’re not fully pro-choice for women, but not at all pro-choice for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 08:57 PM
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So if a pro life law maker outlawed abortion on the grounds that birth control options exist for women, would that be justifiable to you? Or does that justification only apply to men? Also, should women that don’t use some kind of birth control be barred from seeking abortions?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 08:47 PM
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First off, sales tax doesn’t apply for essentials like food, prescription drugs, or medical devices. Also, sales tax (if you even live in a place with sales tax) is only 5-8% of what you spend. It’s not a fixed amount you must earn lest you be jailed. If I throw 100% of my paycheck into my retirement account, I lost none of it to sales tax. It’s also not something you must pay whether or not you move to a state with no sales tax. The average payer of child support loses over 10% of one’s income …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 08:44 PM
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If a pro-life protestor said the same about women, would that be true or untrue?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 08:26 PM
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How do the vast majority of people make money? Through labor. So forcing someone to pay large sums of money involuntarily, is forced labor. It’s also not a tax, if I quit my job tomorrow, sold all of my investment properties, etc.; I’d pay no income tax. If you quit your job though, that doesn’t change your child support contributions, forcing one to work against their will. So obviously yes, state-sponsored forced labor, is a very clear example of a violation of one’s bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 08:25 PM
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When a man chooses non-involvement in a pregnancy (which is the paternal equivalent), he’s exercising his rights to bodily autonomy. However, that’s illegal. While separate terms, they’re the same in effect: relinquishing the parental responsibility. Much like how being an actor vs. actress are two separate terms while meaning effectively the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 08:14 PM
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He is not, legally. Men can actually be imprisoned for attempted to enjoy such rights. Please don’t spread misinformation which could lead to serious legal issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 08:09 PM
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So you’re saying women have a higher degree of burden in pregnancy; and therefore deserve to have bodily autonomy, while men don’t deserve bodily autonomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 08:06 PM
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Well like I said, context is key. He could be an awesome guy, could be a serial killer, idk the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 07:59 PM
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As a veteran, I met some of the nicest people that have as many as 3 divorces. My old PLT SGT had 2 wives cheat on him during deployment, 1 leave him without cheating. So that fact’s relevance hinges on where fault (if any) lies, and who filed for the divorce(s).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 07:55 PM
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For a child to be unwanted by all, in an equally pro-choice society, why would the mother have chosen to go through with the pregnancy? In a pro choice scenario, the mother would have aborted or surrendered the baby to adoptive parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 07:51 PM
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So if a woman becomes a parent involuntarily, she deserves the right to an abortion. But if the same thing happens to a man, it’s his responsibility to deal with? What justification could you apply that would justify women’s right to choose, that shouldn’t equally apply to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 06:27 PM
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You’re assuming a lot, condom use was never mentioned, that’s all you. I’ve had condoms break before, it’s not uncommon. According to someone else that looked at the guys history, he apparently had his wife leave him after he got laid off/fired.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 06:05 PM
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You can only control that stuff to a certain extent. You can wear a condom, she could be (or claim to be) on some form of birth control, you could pull out, etc.; and even with all of that, those chances still aren’t 0. Additionally, men deserve the same abortive treatment (under law and in social life) that women get in all the same respects. That includes men that don’t take such measures.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 05:59 PM
5

Quantity is a quality all it’s own. But point made.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 05:47 PM
0

It’s missing too much context to make that conclusion. It could be the results of one night stands that he wants nothing to do with, there’s nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 05:45 PM
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It does earn them money though. Marriages mean that all assets (excluding prenups) held by both parties are held in common. That means there is no “mine” or “yours”, outside of the colloquial sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 08:23 PM
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If being the one that made the initial wealth were the most comfortable/safe position, there would be no billionaires via divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 06:40 PM
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It’s a support role. Like imagine a tiny grocery store with two employees. If one person is stocking, they’re not making any revenue. But the cashier is producing all of the revenue. Just because a role doesn’t directly produce revenue, doesn’t mean it’s not vital to the performance of a company. But yes, they still make money in most cultures. In many Islamic and in Japanese cultures, it’s common for the wife to be given the whole paycheck to maintain the household, with the man usually given a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 04:44 PM
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I am, I pursue women that want 3+ children and want to be homemakers. In that situation, homemaking would be her (eventual) profession. So it’s perfectly reasonable, even good for her to perform some due diligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 04:19 PM
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It’s a neutral quality, not negative. I go to work for a paycheck. If I don’t get paid, I don’t work. That doesn’t make me morally inferior to someone that would work for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 04:01 PM
1

Pragmatism doesn’t mean worse. Different doesn’t mean inferior.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 03:54 PM
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There’s something oddly wholesome about the concept of mutual settling. Like two people deciding that they haven’t found “the one for them” and choosing to make a life together just to have someone. It’s obviously not ideal, but wholesome nevertheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 02:45 PM
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Unpopular opinion: I’d rather deal with a creep every time I leave my home than be blown up by an IED, or shot. As a disabled vet, I’d love to switch problems with you. But at least I made an educated decision; I knew the risks, but decided to join anyway. Conscripts don’t have that choice. My brain injury screws with my fine motor skills and memory. Also my knees and back don’t allow me to stand for more than a few minutes at a time. I also can’t drive a car for more than 60-90 minutes at a tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 08:04 PM
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Said help is designed for women. Additionally, men that do seek help are still much more likely to commit suicide than women that do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 07:49 PM
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Women, marriage has been the most common way for women to gain wealth. Of the 5 (currently) richest women, only one earned it by a means besides marriage and inheritance. While of the (currently) richest 5 men, all of them founded their own companies as their primary source of wealth. As a small business owner: it’s much easier to get married than it is to start a business, let alone maintaining and growing one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 07:46 PM
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Y’all need to touch some damn grass.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 12:45 PM
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I never thought about it that way.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 07:42 PM
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Is the person forcing women to stay at home in the room with us now? Even in Mormon communities, women still work sometimes. I was pretty happy being brought up (somewhat?) traditionally. My mom stayed home for a bit, then worked part time since I was 1 year old. But many platforms keep you online through rage-baiting. So it stands to reason that you’re most likely to hear from those unhappy with their lives. I also was in the military, which there are a lot of SAH spouses in that community. My …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 05:59 PM
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I grew up in an environment where my mom would usually dump me at my grandparents if she needed a day off to herself/run errands without me. This would usually be between 1-3 days per week. It was good fun and a source of some great memories for me growing up. But you don’t need childfree uncles/aunts as long as you have grandparents that are still around.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 05:40 PM
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That’s why I help other PPBs learn the language and culture of the place. I think it’s an important step many men skim or skip.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 12:43 PM
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Laws around marriage are already changing constantly and it hasn’t had any noticeable effects on the marriage rate. I don’t really see that happening. Florida has actually signed a bill to do away with permanent alimony late last year.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 12:40 PM
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As a traditional leaning man, I honestly don’t too much care about where my beliefs come from. So long as it leads to a happy life and family, I honestly don’t see any issue. I understand there are risks like divorce and the fallout that come with it. But that can be mitigated by moving to a country with better divorce laws, which I’ve already started on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 09:26 PM
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A lot of passport bros that get burned do so because they make a huge mistake: taking his partner to his country. If you want a partner socialized in an environment that aligns with your values, there’s no reason to change the environment you both live in. That’s why it’s important to do everything possible to stay out where she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 09:22 PM
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I’m aware that you can be pregnant due to one’s first time, but that’s not very likely. I’d need more information about the number and context of any past partners, but even 1 or 2 is a bit high for someone I’m dating with serious intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 09:02 PM
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Not wrong that it’s a bit cucked to worry about someone else’s baby so much. I’d be wondering how many partners she’s had prior to me, but that’s one of those things I can overlook.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 03:10 PM
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Understandable. But if you ever change your mind, dating is much better abroad. My DMs are always open and there’s plenty of good passport bro/men’s travel communities.
/r/MensRights26/01/24 06:37 PM
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There are still parts of the world that have more reasonable laws than in the states. If you’re able to settle in a new country, you should consider it.
/r/MensRights26/01/24 06:16 PM
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It could still work, it’d just take a big overhaul of the way divorce works.
/r/MensRights26/01/24 06:13 PM
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Based on the post history: Poland.
/r/MensRights23/01/24 06:41 PM
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If a doctor/nurse gives you a vaccine with a dirty needle, is that your fault that you didn’t check first to ensure the needle was clean? If you get food poisoning from someone making you a meal, is it your fault for not inspecting the kitchen and the food?
/r/MensRights23/01/24 03:51 PM
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link
/r/MensRights22/01/24 06:09 PM
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That’s divorces broadly, doesn’t break down by who is filing for the divorce. If both have a degree, the chances of her divorcing you are higher, but the chances of you divorcing her drop like a rock. If you’re a college educated guy, your best bet is finding a woman that never attended college.
/r/MensRights22/01/24 05:04 PM
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Among college educated marriages, the woman files for divorce 90% of the time.
/r/MensRights22/01/24 04:48 PM
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My solution is just moving to a new country where I can more easily find the type of woman I want to date.
/r/MensRights22/01/24 03:44 PM
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Consider being a passport bro, there are many countries that discourage divorce much more effectively than the US.
/r/MensRights22/01/24 03:15 PM
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As a high earning man, there are extraordinarily few decent women earning more than half my income.
/r/MensRights22/01/24 03:13 PM
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Women with degrees are more likely to file for divorce.
/r/MensRights22/01/24 03:11 PM
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I simply misattributed the term, i thought you were using it for a different definition than it sounds like you’re using it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 06:51 PM
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Ohh I was under the impression you meant “better than”, as opposed to “the primary decision maker.” I think it’s just a matter of what each person wants, but I’d rather have a feminine woman that seeks an authoritative partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 06:18 PM
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I’m not 100% RP by any means. But that sounds like you may just be straw manning just to feel superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 02:45 AM
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This happened in North Carolina during covid. Family courts (in my county especially) had a large queue to be heard. It’s also not uncommon for opiate users to makeup or self inflict injuries for a time before eventually getting cut off. So it often takes time for doctors to catch on and stop writing prescriptions. This can be made worse when the addict bounces between providers until they get a favorable answer to keep using. It’s much harder to drug test for a thing that they technically got a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:55 PM
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I’m aware of what sole custody is, I had a close friend from my time in the army fight for 2 years for sole custody because the mom got hooked on pain meds after getting hurt. I was speaking in hyperbole by saying “out of the picture” because that’s such a small sliver of a child’s life, that it’s cruel to do that (unless it’s done out of the child’s interest due to the parents economic/personal inability to be a fit parent for more than a weekend).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 01:04 AM
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I’d estimate 4/5 men would prefer secondary, equal, or primary custody if given an equal say in custody agreements and litigation to women. As to primary custody? That’d be a minority, most men would likely want their child’s mother in the picture. I’d estimate equal custody would be the most common answer for men by a significant margin, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 12:14 AM
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Black Americans are more likely to take plea deals than White Americans. That doesn’t mean that Black Americans are more likely to be guilty. They just know that there chances of a truly fair trial are lower and don’t bother “poking the bear”. Women usually get default custody and support during such negotiations as well. This makes it difficult for a man to be able to challenge an unfair deal. Lawyers are expensive, and so is child support. You can only be arrested for missing one of the bills,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 11:35 PM
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You may have missed my bit about fault and constructive dismissal. Those are both cornerstones of unemployment law and can easily be applied to spousal support.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 11:26 PM
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Married men work longer hours per week than married women. If divorced, there’s no need for the man to work those additional hours compared to the women. Such laws only serve to punish fathers for being good fathers and providing for their family. You also said “I don’t believe”, which is why beliefs yield to stats and facts in the minds of reasonable people. Much like your view on single mothers being primary custodians. Many men don’t even know they’re fathers. You can’t parent a child you don…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 11:20 PM
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I’m also suggesting that in no fault divorce, the filing spouse should not be entitled to an equal share. If you leave the behind marriage, you should also be leaving the benefits of that marriage. Meaning you’d only be entitled to what you contributed (plus capital gains from appreciation). But also there’s no reason for a woman that files for divorce to be receiving spousal support. If I quit my job, I’m not entitled to a paycheck/unemployment after all, unless I can demonstrate fault (or cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 10:54 PM
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I’m asking purely socratically. I’m aware of what equitable distribution is too. There is no American jurisdiction which doesn’t advantage the average woman over the average man. This doesn’t just apply to asset divisions, it also extends to child custody. There are also no jurisdictions which punish paternity fraud under civil, nor criminal law. There are even situations in which a man may be legally forced to support children he never fathered, nor adopted.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 10:28 PM
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So no states which a wife would be, as a matter of blanket policy, be given a minority of the divided assets?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:45 PM
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Not when the vast majority of divorces are filed by women, that’s very risky for men to marry. Especially when women are much more likely to receive preferential custody arrangements, and spousal support. While married men are physically, emotionally, and financially healthier than unmarried men, that doesn’t account for selection bias. That is to say that the kind of people that are not long term thinking or commitment minded, are less likely to put money aside for a down payment on a home (for…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:28 PM
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What state (if any) has such a rule?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:17 PM
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In the scenario, it’d just be a sperm donation with a female partner. As a former sperm donor, that’s not a crazily difficult nor expensive process. Only a few thousand dollars.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 08:20 PM
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I don’t mean this to be mean, I just don’t know how to say it nicely. That’s either part of a pattern or an outlier. And if it’s the first option, it may be time for some introspection and/or therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 08:18 PM
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Threatened by what/who? I’m suggesting that solitude can be peaceful.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 08:21 AM
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You’re not my target audience here, but if you don’t like single income nuclear families, you don’t have to have one. I’m not necessarily saying that’s best for everyone, even if that’s what I want in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 08:05 AM
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I can understand why an infertile man may want such a lifestyle. But even then, adoption and donation is an option which again would make single motherhood more of a liability than an asset. As to a fertile man that doesn’t want kids of his own, yet wanting to raise someone else’s kids, that sounds exceedingly niche. Like it’d be a tiny proportion of men out there, I imagine. Single fatherhood isn’t as severe of a disadvantage in the dating scene as single motherhood. So if a single dad has the …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 11:32 PM
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I’m not really struggling to date as a 23 yo man, but I’ll answer as best as I can. If a man’s goal is to have a family (that’s my goal), then a woman with children may not be willing to have many/any more children. There’s also the potential added drama and stress of dealing with not only the child, but the child’s father. Also, if a woman is a single mother that likely means she either left the child’s father, got left by the father, or the father died. That means she’s a widow at best, or a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 11:22 PM
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I have a different view as a decently successful guy. But you can feel anyway you’d like. If a woman has a kid though, she’s not even an option 99% of the time. Unless she’s only a single mom because the dad died and she wants more children, what’s the incentive to date a single mom over anyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 11:16 PM
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Not correcting often just means that someone else is more wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 04:58 PM
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Would I date a trans woman? 100%. Would I date a trans woman (willingly) if that information were kept from me? Absolutely not. There are many times when consent is given with the expectation of honesty. Like if a woman’s claim to be on birth control is the reason you give consent, and that’s a lie, that’s still rape. That’s not informed consent. Similar to stealthing.
/r/MensRights15/01/24 04:15 AM
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If I became a straight-leaning woman, I’d have no need for the whole passport bro lifestyle; there’s just too many guys that meet my standards to justify leaving. So that’d be a pretty massive change. I’d probably start cutting back on how hard/often I work. Start focusing more on finding a good partner rather than optimizing for a high paying career.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 08:30 PM
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Equitability would also mean granting preferential treatment to the not-at-fault party. Many states don’t even consider or allow fault to be established or acknowledged.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 06:35 PM
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Source? That’s interesting af
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 06:33 PM
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Fair take. There’s a lot of porn-addicted men that don’t fulfill their duties sexually to their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 06:31 PM
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That “equitable partition of assets” assumption is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that assertion
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 06:30 PM
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This. Granted sexual lulls happen in marriages. That’s what counseling is for, maybe an endocrinologist too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 06:26 PM
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This. Saying submissive weird. I usually just say “feminine” to describe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 02:41 PM
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Agreed that it’s cringe, but if someone says it’s juicy, sometimes it’s good.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 09:05 PM
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She’s a full time mom with kids, that sounds pretty great ngl. She complains about her in-laws and post partum, but those are pretty normal complaints to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 07:12 PM
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I don’t think it’s manipulation. Just that people work best when their needs are met.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:27 PM
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She’s loving her best life. Are you happy? Like really?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:26 PM
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This. It’s not just on the woman to be feminine. The man must also help bring it out, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:24 PM
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I actually know a couple women like this in the wild. In my highly anecdotal experience, they’re not usually as happy being single as they let on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 01:26 AM
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I’m getting a degree in finance because the VA pays for me to go and I earned that shit dammit lmao. But for real, I mostly go because I enjoy it and it’s a good buffer time between military and regular work. I hope to work remotely as a finance analyst or something similar so I can be a proper passport bro.
/r/MensRights11/01/24 10:59 PM
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I know a few in real life, they’re really common on college campuses.
/r/MensRights11/01/24 12:38 AM
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I’ve been friends with and even dated one highly promiscuous woman. I wouldn’t date one, but some can make good friends (usually with benefits).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 03:06 PM
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The definition or predator: a person who ruthlessly exploits others. Not a single part of that definition would indicate active/passive predation. The term comes from predatory animals in nature, ambush predators are a whole category of which definitionally don’t actively hunt their prey. You also don’t need to actively work at anything to exploit anything. I’m a landlord, I exploit my tenants (in the marxian sense). But I obviously don’t do much/any work to achieve that profit that I “exploit” …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 05:26 AM
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Predation does not mean pursuit. If an adult has sex with a minor but did not instigate that sexual relationship, I’d still call them a predator. Does that mean I think that the two are comparable? No. I think the idea that a man chooses to “man the harpoon” with a consenting adult, that’s not in itself predation. I also don’t actually think the woman is predatory given the crude details I laid out. I only say it to point out that your standard is an overly broad drag net that includes a lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 05:10 AM
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Many men target big women as easy lays out of self esteem issues already. So if those big women are seeking validation by taking advantage of a surplus of lonely men, that’s also predatory by the standard you created.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 04:23 AM
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That’d be really tough to research accurately. But in my experience, it definitely holds true most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 04:17 AM
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I’m a bisexual guy that leans red pilled. I exclusively date women for LTRs because I want to have kids with my future partner. But I still hookup with men when I’m single. To me, being red pilled (to an extent) is more of a perspective and recommendations on how to act.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:04 AM
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Child birth is one of the most physically traumatic things some women will ever experience. Much like recovering from an injury is difficult on the psyche. Not to mention hormonal changes happening in the body.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 07:32 AM
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I’m bisexual, so I guess I fall into that category. But because I want my own biological kids with my partner, I choose to pursue women for long term relationships. I still date American men but I only date women from other countries when traveling.
/r/MensRights04/01/24 07:30 AM
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Still exists? Yes, but we flee for a reason.
/r/MensRights31/12/23 12:33 AM
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This might blow your mind a little… hear me out… some people… are self destructive. 🤯 Seriously though, almost all people want to have it all. And will almost always hurt themselves in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 12:21 AM
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It’s ok to hookup with many women. It’s also ok to not want to date a promiscuous woman. It’s also fine if you choose to marry only a virgin woman, I fail to see any contradiction there. I honestly see TRP as an umbrella term of odd bedfellows. You got the tradcons, passport bros, incels, sexpats, MRAs, etc.; I think each group acknowledges the same principle issues, but have different ideas on how to solve/cope with reality. Kind of like how all economists agree to the basic economic problems a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 04:38 PM
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If the majority or men you’re meeting with only see you as a “sleeper” rather than a “keeper”, then there’s usually one of three things I see happening. Often you’re going after guys that are out of your league and it’s time to look for a guy on your level if you’re looking for commitment. Otherwise, it could be how you’re meeting men; tinder or a bar isn’t a great spot (as an example) to meet commitment minded men. Lastly, you may have a certain reputation as a result of past behavior, causing …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:43 PM
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Neither are decent options, but if they’re my only choices, I’d stay single. A is already divorced once, B already has a significant body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 04:07 PM
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Really depends on what the RP guy believes. There’s too many strains of thought for me to judge it. I could honestly go either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 05:37 PM
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If either spouse is abusing the other, divorce is the fault of the abuser.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 04:50 PM
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No oppressed group is ever at fault for their oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 04:42 PM
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Depends. Who left who? Who’s at fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 02:41 PM
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Because the vast majority of the time, the woman is the one leaving the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 02:40 PM
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can you? yes. should you?
/r/MensRights08/11/23 03:08 PM
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So most PPB content is going to be country-specific. If you’re interested in Eastern Europe, try legion of men. SEA: Filipina pea, Thailand bound. LATAM and Africa have their own content creators too. It’s all about picking a country to try out. Do a bit of research. Then take a test trip. Meet some women and see where it takes you.
/r/MensRights08/11/23 11:38 AM
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If you need advise on getting started, my DMs are open, there’s lots of YouTube and other online resources too. I periodically do Writeups on various countries and how you can get a visa.
/r/MensRights08/11/23 12:38 AM
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My personal opinion, your call. But seriously don’t give up on all women just because a western girl fucked you over. If you can afford a surrogate as an option, you can afford to be a passport bro and still give your children a maternal figure. Plus, you get to choose what your life looks like. You choose where you live, what you do for work, when you retire, your wife won’t have to work, etc. Your kids will also get the benefits of dual citizenship, learning multiple languages, and growing up …
/r/MensRights07/11/23 10:55 PM
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He’s decently popular. he’s just my favorite trad husband creator. But he has almost 2.5 million YouTube subscribers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:48 PM
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The alternative: “hey babe, I’m not in the mood tonight.” Dishonesty when it comes to intimacy is a massive ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 03:40 PM
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There are trad husband creators. Wranglestar is my favorite. He works, provides for his wife and kids, and is a handy man with impressive skills/knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 03:27 PM
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Financial abuse is also motivated by control. However the need for control is often spurred on by financial hardships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:06 PM
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It’s also very reasonable to not want to date a women with a high n-count. It sounds like when a woman wants a thing, it’s a “reasonable expectation”. But if a man wants something small it’s sexism, double standards, unreasonable, etc. If women expect men to attend college for four years and potentially take on debt to be “on the same level” as them; then it’s perfectly reasonable for a man to expect a woman that hasn’t slept with the population of an entire town.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:37 PM
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You also have to keep in mind: passport bros with housewives are a highly self selecting group of disproportionately wealthy men. Most women that are financially abused, the abuse starts due to unemployment of one spouse or other financial hardship. It’s a lot less common among the wealthy, even if only one spouse comes from money. While it may appear to be a higher potential for abuse, that potential appears to be realized much less often than among the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:31 PM
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That’s not all, women with degrees largely refuse to “date down” educationally. Which is a massive issue in the dating market, considering that women make up the vast majority of college admits and grads. So if anything, that’s a much larger hypocrisy issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:07 PM
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I’m going to guess you’ve never been to any of such countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:47 AM
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I believe in the friend zone, as I have friend zoned people in the past. In a sexual relationship that occurs before dating, the man only consents to a sexual relationship. As to one’s expectations, it’s normal to want a partner different from yourself. Doesn’t your standard make heterosexuality into a hypocritical act? “You expect to date a woman, and yet you are a man? Hypocrite!” Many women have a similar stance on a man’s earnings, if a woman prefers men who earn more than her, is she not al…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 12:24 AM
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That’s making assumptions that 1. They get married, 2. That no prenup agreement was made outlining what assets remain separate, 3. That the man is withholding shared assets, and 4. That the woman is even a housewife. All of which combined is a huge stretch to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 12:17 AM
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If a woman places a LVM in the “friend zone”, is that a “double standard” as well? Or is it only wrong if men have preferences? ETA: women have the ability to place different people in their own zones describing the nature of their relationship as well. It’s not just a thing men can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:46 PM
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Financial abuse just means withholding family or personal assets from someone. If someone has no assets, how can one be financially abused?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:26 PM
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Again, it’s not hypocrisy. It’s just that people have relationship zones. Like if someone were to be my close friend, I’d never want to date them after. Likewise if I hookup with a woman, that would mean that dating becomes off the table then as well. That’s not a judgement thing, it’s just that once someone becomes one kind of relationship to me, I prefer not to move them between zones. That’s also why I wouldn’t be interested to date a manager/boss, therapist/doctor, or one of my tenants. I’d …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 06:27 PM
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That sounds like you’re just assuming all of these guys have nothing to offer. I’ve been perfectly successful in getting dates in the US. So if the levels of attention I get in both places are about the same, why is only one driven by money? Have you considered that maybe you have some underlying bias, that may make you see women of certain races/ethnicities as gold diggers? Have you considered re-examining why you’d have such negative views on racial minorities?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:25 PM
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I’ve gone to church. It’s a scene that requires a ton of vetting, but not a terrible option. As to redpill and tradcon, they’re extremely similar. I do consider myself disapproving of TRP only because of the promotion of promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:41 PM
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There’s nothing hypocritical about that situation in the slightest. Everyone gets to apply their personal preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 07:08 AM
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I’m 23, so that entire range is already older than me. I think you have me mixed up with the other guy on here, I’ve never been to Singapore. As to the taxes, it’s more of a bonus to me. Like even if I found an American woman on par with what I’ve become accustomed to overseas; why would I give up the potential tax benefits, additional legal protections, and dual citizenship for my future kids? Imagine a country as a job for a moment. Then I quit a job because my new job has better pay, WLB, ben…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 07:00 AM
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If she’s going to be older than me, that’d throw a wrench in family planning. Also having a spouse with foreign citizenship could eventually help ease the tax burden for some of my businesses. But why stick around in a country that’s going to tax me more, treat me worse, and have worse dating options? I could just largely fix all of those issues by moving elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 06:24 AM
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I figured as much, I think I’ve seen something similar about the Victorian era. It wasn’t a claim though, so much as a crude estimation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 06:13 AM
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As I’ve said, it’s not what I agree with. Only saying that’s it’s a not uncommon perspective among PPBs. But for it to work, that’d have to be 10% or less. Because you’d also have plenty of men choosing to remain bachelors which would (in theory) offset such a ratio. The issue is that (as a gen z guy), the “fool around group” in the US is well above 80% of the dating pool. That’s before factoring in obesity, poor personalities, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 05:57 AM
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That’s not a view I hold. I’m just explaining that some men hold it. While it’s perfectly valid and consistent, I don’t like promiscuity by either sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:57 AM
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I mean in an alternate universe the ICE was never invented so we’ve just been Fred flintstone-ing it the whole time. Jokes aside, it’d require such a large cultural shift, that it’s pretty out there to imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:46 AM
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They exist in such tiny proportions as to be insignificant. Think of finding an adequate partner like hiring a lawyer. Sure you could scour a Walmart until a lawyer comes in for groceries, or you could just go to a law office. I’m just saying that different people are most easily found in distinct locations. Eventually, looking for the right person in the wrong place isn’t worth my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:36 AM
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It’s perfectly normal for men to want sex, but also not date someone who’s been intimate with large numbers of other people. That’s not a contradiction. All it’s saying is that ideally, you’d have some women that you can fool around with, and a much larger group that are worth potentially marrying. Unfortunately, that second group has gradually withered away in numbers (in certain countries). Meaning it’s simply worth my time to look elsewhere to find adequate partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:12 AM
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Don’t feel desperate. It’s a good way to live, I’m planning my move to the Philippines after this semester is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:04 AM
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The amount of effort in finding a decent partner is much more difficult stateside. So I’d say the work thing is all down to how established you are in one place.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:02 AM
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If you need advice on getting started, I gotchu. It’s the best decision an American man can make.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:01 AM
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I’m a college student and remote worker. I’m moving to Cebu this January after my semester ends and I will be taking all remote classes until I graduate. As to “getting it out of my system”, it’s not a sex thing. I’m moving abroad permanently. I’ll only be returning for family visits and working on my real estate business.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 03:59 AM
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Quality of life can be great in nearly any country. So long as you have the wealth to support such luxuries. But even then, the reduced taxes and COL is very nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 03:55 AM
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As a passport bro that hated working in IT, it’s worth it if it means living abroad. But I’m happier working in finance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 03:50 AM
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I’m a passport bro. Are things “that bad” stateside? Yes, yes they are. It’s not that getting a date is difficult, but getting someone that’s worth putting a ring on it? Next to impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 03:48 AM
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To “think of the children” I say, “children have two parents, why the need for three?”
/r/MensRights04/11/23 06:06 PM
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Passport bros don’t “seek out” poor women. It’s generally just top 1% (globally, by wealth) guys, dating women regardless of wealth. If you’re only willing to date women of similar levels of wealth, that’s fine. It just comes off as classist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:53 PM
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I hope you have a good lawyer. Good luck.
/r/MensRights04/11/23 04:15 PM
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What do you mean by “preying”? I’ve heard some with normal definitions, and some who think taking a girl out on a date is predatory just because she’s from another country.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 10:59 PM
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Hence why I say they should consider looking abroad. It’s easier to date, and easier to find serious prospects when dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:03 PM
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Money for a man, is like a beautiful woman. If you’re with someone only for that reason, then it’s a problem. Just like a really good looking woman, she doesn’t always have other things to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:05 PM
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So my background business wise is in real estate investing, sales, and a bit of defense contracting. Which are some of the least interesting ways to gain wealth. Yet, those business owners especially tend to be very intelligent, mediocrely charismatic, well educated, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 02:34 PM
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Like I said about beauty and wealth. It gets you extra attention, great. But if it’s the only thing getting you attention, then it’s a problem. Different dating markets are slanted with advantage going one way or the other. I’m simply suggesting that if you’re in a country where you’re at a disadvantage dating wise, going elsewhere will make you realize the extent of what you have to offer. And for the HVM, it’s been much easier to find larger amounts of attractive women (that I’d consider for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 02:24 PM
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I agree with many aspects of RP ideas. I just also happen to want a tradcon lifestyle. I don’t really like some of TRP’s solutions namely spinning plates, promiscuity, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 02:16 PM
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It really doesn’t sound like you’re interested to hear what I have to say. My message just isn’t for women. It’s mainly two kinds of men: undervalued men, men that are valued but can still do better than their immediate prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 02:07 PM
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I know plenty of the type. But if you’re a single man and with that high of a net worth, that places you with a massive advantage. It allows you to travel more to meet more people, work on your appearance, and develop the charisma to compound your advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 02:00 PM
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It’s like I’ve said before, being a wealthy man is like being a very beautiful woman. It gets you some extra attention which is nice. But pick a partner that doesn’t just want you for looks/money. Which really isn’t that hard to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 01:56 PM
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Being a good provider is highly prized by the vast majority of the world. Being a wealthy man is like being a beautiful woman. If your partner enjoys it, great. But if they’re only in it for your looks, that’s when it’s a problem. Likewise with a wealthy guy, if your the hardworking type that can provide for a whole family with ease, that makes a man a catch. But if that’s the sole reason a given partner shows interest, there’s plenty of fish in the sea.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 01:53 PM
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Yeah, that’s why internationally, men have the advantage if they choose to exercise all of their options. That is, if they can afford to. The reward is super high though. You really can’t find more attractive partners within the US (as a man) IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 10:55 AM
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Having money as a man, is like a woman with nice breasts/ass. Sure it makes you desirable, but if that’s the only reason your partners want you around, that’s when it’s a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 10:52 AM
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I’m not saying you are. It’s not like I know you. But you don’t know how attractive you really are until you leave your bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:31 AM
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That’s households, not single men. But even so, having a seven figure net worth puts you very easily in the top 1% globally.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:17 AM
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Making six figures and being a millionaire are two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 01:43 AM
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A 7 that’s in the wrong market? Absolutely. Gold bars are valuable. But if I try selling it at Walmart who’s going to buy that? But at a jeweler? Much easier sale.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 10:58 PM
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See comment again: money alone doesn’t make you what you are. If you’re the type of person capable of such earnings, you’re already exceptional in some way. Whether charisma, intellect, or hard work. Or maybe a special skill like pro athletes/entertainers. ETA: when I say a number, I mean internationally. If you plotted your attractiveness compared to other men globally, wealth plays a significant role in that. It just happens that a millionaire is in the top 10% for attractiveness for the major…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 10:33 PM
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“A mix of…” picking good investments requires intellect. Having someone pick it for you means you had enough to hire someone in the first place so we’re back to that triad. Having the ability to provide a good lifestyle alone makes a man like that at least a 6 even if he’s a cave troll with a bad stutter. But looking at OC’s comment history, guys got some neat hobbies and the ability to string some words together decently. So that’s at least a 7 right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 10:22 PM
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Hence why I said your standard seemed broad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 10:18 PM
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If someone believes women’s promiscuity is wrong, slut shaming would fall under the “morally wrong” shaming category, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 10:16 PM
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Making that kind amount doesn’t make you a 9. Being the kind of person to be able to earn that much requires a mixture of intellect, hard work, and charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:58 PM
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“Morally wrong” is a really broad category. For many it would make slut shaming morally right by your standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:51 PM
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You sir, are in the wrong dating market. Get yourself over to r/thepassportbros, do some reading, and get out there. There’s no reason a 9 should be scrapping over a 3 or 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:36 PM
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Glad you’re happy with your decision. The tone I’m getting from your writing though, sounds like you’re trying to convince yourself more so than an external audience. Just a thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:40 PM
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I’m a red pilled guy. I don’t much like f&f, whatever pod is ok but it’s one of those things you really have to touch grass after you watch at all. I enjoy tribe of men, Hoe Math, jasper in the Philippines, and a couple of mens travel podcasts. I don’t devote much of my time to it, I mostly listen to stuff about economics and history. Especially economics explained and extra credits.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 04:40 PM
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At a minimum, the courts should allow men the option to deposit the money in a trust or 529 plan so it’s actually benefiting the child. Especially in such situations. It shouldn’t be treated any differently to how child actors often have parents that blow their child’s money.
/r/MensRights30/10/23 01:00 PM
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I never suggested anyone be excluded of anything. Nor did I suggest that education should instill masculinity. That’s be like saying sex Ed teaches teens to have sex, they’re going to have sex. I’m just advocating for providing guidance to teens for the purposes of harm reduction/elimination. Women can and do take shop classes. I actually earned my welders license and my CNC cert in HS and 2 girls were in my class of 20. So they’ve been allowed for some time now. My schools business department l…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 04:33 AM
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I get a pretty even mix for the most part. I do enjoy some of those podcasters, but I also get a lot of recommendations for things like “last week tonight” and other liberal comedy shows. I like those shows but holy shit I get way too much of them in my recommended. I also listen to the female dating strategy podcast from time to time, it’s always such a trip. But I only get that kind of mix when I intentionally listen to content I disagree with often. So YMMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 12:58 AM
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Not saying that they need to be built as if they’re some new invention. They once existed and have been defunded, destroyed, and commodified. We’re just suggesting walkable neighborhoods, more city parks, and reducing certain aspects of hostile architecture. Public transit would also be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 12:44 AM
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I’m involved in my old boy scout troop as a merit badge counselor. The state of teen boys today broadly is depressing, and it never surprised me that Andrew Tate became popular. I think there are plenty of solutions. Dads need to earn more money per hour so they don’t have to work so much, giving them more time to be the male role model young boys need. When dads get divorced, they don’t get enough time with their kids to be a good father by-and-large. Making more third spaces where kids can go …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 12:36 AM
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I never cared until I had a partner that did. I’m still terrible about it, so I found a bot that would email me a week or two before any birthdays/anniversaries. That way I have time to order a gift, and it’s a super streamlined process. Also Facebook reminders help a ton.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:56 PM
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Poland and the Baltic trio don’t stop women from doing anything if women stay single. Yet, it’s really easy to find someone worth marrying. Is there social pressure to have a family? Yes, there should be such expectations for both sexes. It just happens that those countries with the best people to marry, happen to be where passport bros go.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 10:05 PM
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I definitely fit in the latter category. I have struggled with being a bit socially awkward because of how much time I spent just focusing on work. I even bought my first investment property, spending my 21st birthday in my lawyers office signing all of the closing documents and filing to establish my third LLC in total to hold the property. But after I got out of the military and started going to college I realized I needed to work on my charisma. So I took a sales job to force myself to learn.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:53 PM
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I wouldn’t say I’m rich, but definitely comfortable. But most of my wealth is tied up in my investment properties, I’m working on starting a defense contractor in the future. Most of the wealthy RP men I know are wealthy due to entrepreneurship in e-commerce, construction, and one guy in know with a small trucking/logistics firm.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 11:18 AM
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Who said anything about taking choices away? That was a you thing. I’m stating that strong family bonds, social cohesion, and traditional values make the conditions to produce the best dating environment possible. It’s not like Polish (for example) women are forbidden from having a job or staying single.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 11:15 AM
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I said that the lowest stigma cultures also produce some of the worst dating prospects. So why would anyone (especially men) want to emulate that which produces the worst outcomes. Like have you tried dating in Western Europe, Canada, or Australia? It’s somehow worse than the US. On the other hand, there’s places like Poland, Slovakia, Estonia, the Philippines, and others which have a higher degree of sexual stigma, but far more prospects as a marriage minded man. Taking it to the extremes of se…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:01 AM
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I honestly wish I could see the wealth distribution among redpill men. I honestly think you’d see an anti-bell-curve distribution. A lot of wealthy guys enjoying life, and a lot of poor guys coping.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 10:41 PM
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Possibly? It depends on why I’m infertile. If I believe that it could be treated with medical advances, then no. But I’ve already donated sperm and it was tested during the application phase. The most strange sentence I’ve ever heard in a professional setting is “that’s some excellent work you did there” while motioning to the room I jerked off in a few days prior.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:51 PM
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I’d have to ask “why did he initiate? What was he running from?” If he was abusive, and she initiates divorce, it’s a bad sign only due to sexual history. But that’s just a yellow flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:32 PM
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I’d still turn down a widow. Childless women exist out there, less baggage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:31 PM
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Idk how to change my flair
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:04 PM
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Then I’m going to ask “why did he feel the need to run after having kids with you?” If it was justified, it’s just a red/yellow flag rather than black.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:00 PM
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I’d consider being with a widow. For a woman to divorce the man she has kids with, that’s most likely either a red flag for her personality or her judgement. Either way, not the best foot to start on. A widow on the other hand, it’s not her fault if hubby passes away
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:57 PM
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Not most, but I work with two women that are the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:54 PM
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40% of couples, but 80% of my generation (as of 2017, and tinder has grown in users since then) did/is actively used tinder alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:19 PM
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When a given group becomes ubiquitous in the dating scene, randomization matters less and less. Among those under 30, nearly 80% have used just tinder according to pew. And according to Stanford, nearly 40% of all couples meet online. Meaning that as more couples meet online, the lack of randomization will matter less and less.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:01 PM
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Citation needed then. It’s been proven that young women today see the vast majority of men as “below average”. While men have an almost perfectly even distribution across the scale. While many say that “it’s confined to dating apps”, dating apps are by far the biggest way of meeting partners, so it’s very reflective of reality, just not randomized.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 12:12 PM
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That doesn’t contradict. I’m saying men and women both have preferences. But women have much higher expectations, exceeding what they bring to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 12:08 PM
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I’m saying that while it’s a preference, with the expectation that they will get a man out of their league. Whether by earnings, looks, charisma, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:57 AM
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Women tend to expect those things rather than prefer them. So it just doesn’t apply to OC. when I say “expect”, I mean requires significantly more to be provided, than what they bring to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:53 AM
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I’ve been to plenty of countries with varying stigma against women’s promiscuity. The dating cultures tend to be much better in cultures with more stigma in my experience. Granted I’m only looking for a committed relationship, but many parts of Europe with more open cultures make it easier to get laid, just harder to find a good partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:51 AM
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All of these things are preferences, not expectations for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:45 AM
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You can really do better my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 10:06 PM
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So I’m gen Z, so generational differences happen. But I don’t think I’ve ever actually heard someone use those terms in conversation as an insult ever, much less a particular use.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:44 AM
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Really depends, there’s way too much variation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 09:08 PM
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Yeah it’s just the hatred of homosexuality. That’s it’s own thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 03:38 PM
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How does hatred of women make male bisexuality frowned upon? That’s misandry. If a man can’t have partners of both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 03:00 PM
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Infringing on a charities intellectual property to solicit donations for non-charitable purposes has a history of being prosecuted. Here’s one example that I remember because it happened near a place I used to live. It’s misandrist that the only form of fraud which places responsibility on the victim is paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 12:43 PM
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I can’t say. My guess is no.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:57 AM
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When I was in the army, I fucked a few of my buddies. It was good fun. I’m bi though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:44 AM
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Less “desirable”, more like a cold call. I work in sales and have to make cold calls for part of my day. They have a low chance of success, but high enough that it’s still worth doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:15 AM
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I’d imagine most men would think most women want commitment driven attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:12 AM
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If it were for women, it wouldn’t be heavily taxed, and would be sent to a separate and easily auditable account to prevent abuse of funds. But that’s not how it works, it’s almost exclusively a monthly payout to the mother. While the intent may be to provide resources for kids, that’s a different thing entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 01:34 AM
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Like I said the first time, it’s just my opinion. But I prefer commitment driven attention over thirsting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 01:14 AM
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You’re right that single people end up on welfare more often. But women that commit paternity fraud could be made ineligible for such programs, that way the tax payer isn’t stuck rewarding defrauders. From my understanding, most programs don’t allow felons to receive benefits. So just listing paternity fraud as a felony would fix that issue for society and the victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 01:11 AM
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Commitment driven attention (in my opinion)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 11:38 PM
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If I went around outside my local grocery store ringing a bell with a red bucket, dressed as Santa this December, and pocketed the donations, that’s still fraud because I’d clearly trying to make regular people think I’m with the Salvation Army. Likewise, if you choose to provide for your kid, that consent is on the basis of parenthood. Just like how no one would be leaving money in my red bucket if they knew it wasn’t a charitable contribution, but rather my personal beer money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 11:16 PM
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They are both desirable, but one matters more
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 08:40 PM
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Thirst=/=a guy looking for commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 07:07 PM
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I don’t really care personally if a woman has education past HS. But I’d rather be with a woman that makes less because high earners tend to be working all the time and I’d rather not deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 07:05 PM
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True about the tinder thing, it’s also the single most common way young couples are meeting today. Most people nowadays just don’t meet people through friend groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 07:02 PM
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Fraud is by definition a crime, regardless of the existence of a specific law prohibiting that act. Murder for example, is still a crime, even during the purge.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 06:39 PM
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Cheating isn’t like fraud. Fraud is a crime, cheating isn’t. Should we treat other crimes like that? Apply it to other types of fraud, we could repeal the FDIC (US) and just trust banks to be responsible with the money in our accounts and retirement funds? And get rid of the SEC, I’m sure wall street bankers won’t violate the law just because they have no regulatory oversight /s.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 06:24 PM
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“They’re perfectly allowed to test” “Checking if they’re not cheating is an accusation of cheating” So by this logic, a man must accuse his partner of infidelity to protect himself from fraud? And if he doesn’t make this accusation, he’s liable to lose all of the money he invests into a fraudulent parent-child relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 05:30 PM
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If men are expected to forego the test, then they deserve to be reimbursed for losses. If tests are going to become effectively universalized like in Tennessee, then that’s a different story. But yeah, fraud victims deserve to be compensated for losses by their perpetrators.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 04:01 PM
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The wall is just saying that women get less physically attractive over time after a while. But if you’re growing old with someone, that relationship grows, and it more than makes up for any loss of youth. Is it a good idea for women to get married in their prime? Probably, but idk I just work here. I’m probably waiting a while, I want to get married in my late 20s/early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:58 PM
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Men and women do not have equal rights when it comes to adoption. A man can have children he is full unaware of, making unequal power dynamics. Also safe haven laws see to it that the state may assume custody of a man’s child that he doesn’t know exists. While men can get custody, gaining custody (when the father wants it) is it’s own misandrist hellscape.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:42 PM
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Condoms and vasectomies are birth control methods which take place prior to conception. The discussion at hand is about post-conception family planning. Women have plan B, abortion, and adoption. Men have prison and involuntary servitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:35 PM
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So women are given a legal and safe pathway to avoid parenthood to the exclusion of men? I’m not saying abortion should be legal or not. Just that men should be given equal treatment to how women have been treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:29 PM
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You don’t need involuntary child support (especially paternity fraud) to keep someone off welfare. Also, there should be no need for a known father. Imagine if criminal law worked that way, “we know you didn’t murder that guy, but we can’t release you until we find the actual culprit”.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:23 PM
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Every state allows for post-conception care (only for women). Even in Texas, you can still get plan B. Men can’t renounce the morning after in Texas, or anywhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:20 PM
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That’s because men don’t have the ability to renounce responsibility between conception and birth. Which would be fine except for the fact that women are granted such rights, creating unequal power dynamics under the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:04 PM
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Roughly 1 in 4 men with children are victims of paternity fraud. That’s an insanely high risk to not check out before you invest 6-7 figures in raising a kid. If you were going to buy a house and there’s a 1/4 chance of it burning down/collapsing at random, it’s normal to want a property inspector to take a look. I think all places should follow the example of Tennessee, which has made a massive leap in the right direction. But I think the next step would be creating a system to ensure men who a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:00 PM
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That’s another problem. If the kid is 17 years and 11 months, and it turns out you’re not the father, you shouldn’t be legally expected to continue to play dad if you don’t want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 02:50 PM
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I think that paternity tests should be required for a man to sign the birth certificate. That way paternity tests become normalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 02:46 PM
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You may not choose to start out adulthood obese. But if you’ve hit the age of 25 and you’re built like a mound of jello, that’s your fault for not fixing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 09:08 PM
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You’re right that it’s not that hard to be wealthy. What’s your excuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 09:07 PM
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It’s easy to be in good shape, like really easy. You make healthy meals, go to the gym, etc. Making $200k? It’s not impossible, it’s really not that hard. But economically, it’s (currently) impossible for everyone on earth to make $200k+. But it’s really not hard to keep from being obese. Not being built like Jaba the hut is easy, clearing $200k+ is less easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 09:06 PM
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Ugly women are treated roughly the same as a man that’s a 5/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 01:32 PM
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Careful with the cheating stats. Gay men participate in a ton more ethically non-monogamous marriages. So depending on how the question is asked, you’ll have potential for wildly skewed numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:25 PM
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Many men use anal toys for the same reason, though I think that stigma is driven mostly by homophobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 07:56 PM
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I think it’s fine for a women to only want wealthy guys. As a high earner, I like being appreciated. But that attitude only works if you can provide roughly equal value. Idk what you look like, but DMs are open haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 07:28 PM
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As someone who falls into that category, it’s just something you have to experience as a man. My issue was that it was easy to find women to date or hookup with, but exceedingly difficult to find someone that I could justify truly investing in a relationship. To explain the difference, it’s like having really terrible vision. Like imagine never being able to see properly until one day you get a pair of glasses and suddenly you wouldn’t want to go back to not having it any other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 06:12 PM
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I’m not really sure who you’re asking, outside of like incels? I mean yes I agree that western women broadly expect men that are out of their leagues. But I don’t really care as they aren’t the types that I date. I find it entertaining when it goes poorly, like a slow moving train wreck, or when low value guys try dating abroad and get used for money/papers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 05:39 PM
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Like I said, it’s not something I do. Even though the sentiment is correct, I just don’t date American women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 05:06 PM
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Looking at the post history, OP seems to be a transwoman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 04:47 PM
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I’ve never had issues with rejection, but this is from what I’ve gleaned from other guys. It’s no single rejection that seems to be making it an issue. But rather that western women broadly rejecting men of equal levels of attractiveness out of a desire for that which is out of a woman’s league.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 04:34 PM
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All about preferences ig, I’m just some guy on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 08:50 PM
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I’d say it’s a range depending on how well she’s taken care of herself. Like between 30-40.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 01:12 PM
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Decent point, I don’t think that’s why men do everything they do. But I do think it’s a massive motivator to many men. Though as a bi man, I’d say I’m privileged over straight men today. I get validation from people I’m attracted to constantly mostly from men, I’d say it’s a 75/25 split. But if I were only into women, and average in attractiveness, yeah that’d be a miserable existence in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 01:57 AM
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More power to them. I’m curious to see how that transpires, and if it has any effect on long term health of society writ large.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 01:52 AM
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I don’t think anyone is over/underestimating anything. You don’t value something because you have it in surplus, whereas someone else has a deficit of that same thing. A pack of ramen means nothing to a millionaire due to their privilege, but is of massive value to someone starving. Or maybe take a black person who’s happy that their interaction with an officer didn’t turn violent. Whereas a white peer of said person wouldn’t understand the reason to be so happy about something so simple. I mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 01:49 AM
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I’ve never heard of women complaining for a lack of attention. But I’ve anecdotally (not evidence, just vibes) known women that struggle to keep a relationship with a man. This may be selection bias, I used to hookup with women who would sometimes be upset that I and other men wouldn’t commit. Don’t take it as gospel I’m one guy, not a polester.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:44 AM
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If that’s the norm for you, consider becoming a passport bro. It’s a lot of work to get there, but the guy extra money, quality of life, and better dating culture is so worth it. If you wanna see what’s out there, my DMs are always open.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 06:31 PM
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This seems more like an issue for incel type men, than men broadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 05:21 PM
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The worst thing a man can be in the eyes of society writ large is a virgin. But I think promiscuity is a negative for both sexes like alcohol. A single shot of liquor is bad for both men and women, but women are more effected by the same amount of alcohol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 08:25 PM
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I own one, with more in the works.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 11:15 PM
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As a guy who has had my own rotations, the easiest women to hookup with had a tinder bio that read “no hookups”.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 10:44 PM
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If you’re a successful and attractive man, consider becoming a passport bro. If you’re not both of those things, self improve and become a passport bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:29 PM
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If you want to be an attractive prospect, you don’t need a college education. But it’s harder. I guess I don’t know enough about your situation to advise.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 03:50 PM
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What’s your degree in? You just need a remote job and a vpn.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 03:45 PM
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If you’re an attractive and successful man, having trouble in landing dates with decent women, consider becoming a passport bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 03:36 PM
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You don’t have any friend groups with single women that are aquatinted?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 03:16 PM
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Not all, don’t be weird. Just be a normal person and flirt with women associated with the group that are single and in your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 02:39 PM
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No, make friends, join a friend group. Eventually use those social connections to meet women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 02:05 PM
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That’s not a little thing. If a sales team only earns commission, and half the team sells more things in the same shift, then that half is going to earn more.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 05:45 PM
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The purpose is to maintain the same productivity while decreasing wages paid. Women tend to speed less, and truckers are paid by the mile. I also don’t employ any truckers yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:46 PM
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Never mind, I misunderstood.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:21 PM
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It’s in Stone Mountain, GA just north of Atlanta. If you’re in the area, try it out next year.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:20 PM
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I disagree, go there to make friends. Be genuine. Don’t be flirty from the get go. And you could realistically meet someone that way in a CrossFit type environment. Edit: I misunderstood the user that I replied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:17 PM
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I actually really enjoy yoga as a man. But going to classes in my area, it’s usually not so welcoming so I just do it at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:15 PM
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Unfortunately in my area, a lot of the good small town festivals shut down due to COVID and just never started back up. I’m glad the yellow daisy festival is still going strong though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:14 PM
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I mean I don’t want to only pay women less, men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:49 PM
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I mean 10% of 10,000 is still 1,000.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:43 PM
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I’m 6’1” I really don’t have height preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:02 PM
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Not inferior. Paying workers as little as possible is just a capitalism thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:01 PM
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It’s not discrimination because it just doesn’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:51 PM
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As a business owner, if I could actually get away with paying women 30% less, I would. But that’s not a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:35 PM
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I don’t think I’ve ever gagged before from reading. Thanks for that mental image.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:52 AM
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“YoU’rE sEtTiNg BaCk ThE mOvEmEnT 80,000 yEaRs!” Jokes aside, how often do you get such comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:51 AM
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I really like your points. I don’t like the narrative that men do all of the heavy lifting of society. It completely leaves out the home makers that ensure a well adjusted next generation, which is far from easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:48 AM
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I can attest, being a soldier isn’t an easy job. It’s definitely messy. Especially if you have the misfortune of being utilized in combat, a fate I was lucky to have not been assigned.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:46 AM
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As a someone who used to work as a satcommer (army), I know what it’s like to have a job that’s frequently overlooked. I hope you used that GI bill well!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:42 AM
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According to zipia, men make up 74% of all fish processors. Interesting point about the CNA thing. Though many women are likely only willing to take the role with the expectation of becoming a full nurse later and having less excrement to contend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:40 AM
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My family is similarly educated but with quite a few of the men in my family being involved in military intelligence. I can personally say it’s less physical than most would expect. It’s just heavily dependent on the job you’re in.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:34 AM
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As a bi guy I can answer: It’s really only an issue if you have a crazy low libido or the guy is an actual sex addict. That’s the kind of thing that anyone can answer in less than a minute.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:31 AM
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Sorry to hear about that happening. Unfortunately due to heavy biphobia that bi men experience when dating, they choose a preferred sex to date. In my experience, roughly 3/4 choose women due to a mixture of dating pool size, kids, or social pressure. I’m a bi man who has never disclosed such things to a woman partner. So even if you choose to only date straight men, making that choice in itself makes you susceptible to dating bi men anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:21 AM
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It’s valid to have worries about STDs. But men who worry about STDs, preferring women partners with less sexual history are usually shamed by the same if not a highly similar cohort.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:16 AM
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“Redpill” isn’t encouraging anything. It’s just a one of many lenses to look at things. Idk if it’s manipulation, the guy sounds incoherent in what he does and believes. Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:22 PM
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If your looking for women without tattoos, don’t get tattoos. Women without tattoos I find are usually also higher quality women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 02:07 AM
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Let it happen. It benefits me just fine, as I’m sure you. Just don’t wife up someone that engages in such behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 09:12 PM
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Imagine your houses AC breaks and its 80 degrees in there. And then your idea to fix the thing being to just break the thermometer.
/r/MensRights18/09/23 05:12 PM
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Exactly. The profit motive is meant to reward positive risk taking. So if the people are funding these risky ventures, should we not get to benefit? Whether that means cheap medication, or profit being distributed to everyone via tax breaks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/23 12:51 PM
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Take the pharmaceutical industry. Most research funding is already provided by taxpayers. So if we’re footing the majority of the bill already, and getting little to none of the profit. Why not increase gov funding to fully socialize the industry, and then that way the gains can be used as tax revenue?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/23 02:45 AM
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I’m not down with anything besides merit based admissions and hiring practices. I will say though, that educational standards have been made around women’s needs more than men. But if the curriculums are built to test for intelligence, work ethic, and conscientiousness, then promote greatness.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/23 08:46 PM
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I think your job is your choice. You do your research and choose the job you want. Men tend to be valued for their ability to provide. This creates the incentive for many men to take more dangerous jobs to provision. It’s a matter of choice. But the danger should be minimized as much as possible. That’s why fighting for unions is a mens rights issues too. Men (broadly) spend more time at work, get hurt more, and die more at work. So men have the most to lose when labor losses power. Is socialism…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/23 08:40 PM
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No. If a specific group was going to have all of the power, and use that power for their benefit, then that would produce outcomes radically different than our reality today. Kind of? Rape apologia happens. But I’d like to see man survivors be treated with the same respect as women survivors. 3+4. I think male domination is biologically driven in the sense that some men are usually the types to treat some things with singleminded work. This is usually the mindset that is required for positions o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/23 08:28 PM
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It was great for me as well, I really enjoyed the extended foreplay. If you’re worried about his feelings for it, have the discussion. If he’s a good guy, he’ll understand you have needs just like him. If you’re worried he won’t like the extended foreplay sessions, try incorporating things you know he likes in those sessions. Also tell him you just need reassurance beforehand. I hope you work through it though, good luck!
/r/RedPillWomen10/09/23 06:43 PM
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I’m sorry to hear about your spiraling. I was with an woman who deal with difficulty reaching orgasm. The fix ended up being that she needed lots or foreplay and stimulation (about half an hour before penetration).
/r/RedPillWomen10/09/23 06:14 PM
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I’m a RP guy, I might be miffed at first. To me I’m really big into compersian but like anything, marriages are work and love is a choice.
/r/RedPillWomen08/09/23 11:35 PM
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If a woman carries pepper spray to protect herself from a potential rapist, is that misandry? If all you are doing is protecting your legal interests, that’s not somehow hateful towards someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:15 PM
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