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The more I'm on this sub, the more I'm worried a lot of you don't understand what consent actually is. The Red Pill seems to have a very rape-culture version of consent: as long as a woman says "yes" at some point, everything that happened beforehand is treated as acceptable. That's not how consent works. If the woman says "yes" she is consenting. Is an adult woman not capable of making her own decisions now? If she said "yes" but meant "no", then that is on her. An emancipated adult person must…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 09:14 AM
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This kind of reminds me of alimony. If someone gives up their career opportunities to take care of the kids at home, they should be compensated for that, sure. It depends. If he is abusive, doesn't care about the kids or is an alcoholic, sure, the woman should be able to get out and not be punished for leaving. She did her part of the assignment, so she should be compensated reasonably for that. On the other hand, if the woman wants to separate just because she "felt like leaving", then why shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:26 PM
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Except the former is no longer the case ever since women began their educations and started their own careers. Now they think just cherrypicking their contributions and demanding the men now also take over some of the women's responsibilities while completely ignoring what men provide. Unfortunately, those things are also largely government-enforced because we evolved our societal system without also adapting the legislative side. That is not "mutually exclusive". Keep your smugness to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:16 PM
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Their assets. Their rights to equal parenting. The system is inherently rigged in favour of women. That is the "payment" women get for being the traditional caretaker. They forfeit their own career and money in exchange for being provisioned by someone else at the sweet sweet price of being in charge at home and making it a home. I fully expect a man who enters that kind of arrangement to stop seeing it "his" money and start treating it as "their" money. With women demanding the man take over so…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:35 AM
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The rigid 50/50 developed because women thought their contribution wasn't valued and demanded men to take over some of women's traditional work while simultaneously completely ignoring the male side, which in turn led to men starting to put their side back on the scales. This is the natural conclusion. Men also risk a lot, but women don't (want to) see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:21 AM
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The "friends first" is a shield they put up so they can plausibly deny a guy if he starts developing attraction. Those women who proclaim "friends first" are usually the ones who end up fucking the hot guy as soon as they meet him and then later complain about being used, only to double down on the "friends first" approach. This is basic RP knowledge. Seen it a thousand times.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:02 AM
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hah, funny, anything you don't approve of is automatically extremist/dangerous/misogynistic. Ironically, you're probably one to argue that "men don't get to dictate how women ought to live their life" and then turn around and to the exact same thing to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:42 PM
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Your first error is assuming men are in favor of abolishing a draft. There may be some who are, but largely men accept that a draft is necessary. Thus, you will not find men organizing to abolish the draft "in the name of equality". Circumcision is being talked about. And that's it. Those are the issues you listed. Congratiulations on spending maybe 3s to think about it and then throw some milk toast opinion out to clown on men supposedly "not helping other men" and "fighting for equality". Let …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:35 AM
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ah yes, the only options men have are either "bullshit ideas" or dates, sex and relationships. This statement right here is a core reason of the problem. Progressives like to paint the male side as overly extreme/bad/wrong and have virtually no compromise or empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:23 PM
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good, now you need to find an experienced dom
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:33 AM
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Exactly, that is why I put it in quotes. But it can be perceived that way if your frame isn't rock solid (as it always should be, no matter what).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:20 AM
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You absolutely can. In general, RP advice is geared towards realizing your own potential and getting from your sexual experiences what you truly want. This is pretty universal and has nothing to do with whatever fetish, fantasy or other desires you might enjoy. TRP is mainly about improving yourself through understanding intersexual dynamics - achieving a sex life according to your wishes is a by-product. Being a sexually submissive/masochistic man can be part of that, but it's ultimately a nich…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:13 AM
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First part I agree, second part I have to disagree. There are certainly men with high cleanliness standards and who are also maintaining it. Typical fallacy argument. I am also not talking about all men, but rather a general tendency in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:20 PM
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haha, reminds me of a feminist I debated once IRL who complained about me putting everything figuratively on a scale... bruh, you started with this, I am just maintaining fairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:24 AM
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this has been my observation in many couples (including my own) as well: the threshold of what women consider dirty/messy/unclean is MUCH lower than for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:20 AM
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yeah yeah the post is anyway low-effort rage bait and "men bad". Zero understanding about how men operate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:27 AM
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forgot about point 6, but it's always the same yapping about some unfair distribution from the POV of a woman. I guarantee that once we're ACTUALLY sharing household duties (you know, the things men are expected to do but are invisible to women) the complaining will still continue
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:22 AM
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this is why I like to call it "Buffet Feminism" - you only take what you like
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:05 PM
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this is not about "refusing to date".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:27 PM
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it's funny because when a man distrusts women because some of them acted mean/evil towards them he is labelled a toxic incel... but that's none of my business.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:38 PM
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which still requires a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:38 PM
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I noticed some men online will use lesbian domestic violence stats and lesbian divorce stats to say women are the problem in relationships. And there is your fallacy. When DV statistics are brought up, it is usually because women/progressives/feminists like to paint men as the problem (a.k.a. "a romantic partner is the most dangerous person for a woman"), to which the response is that it cannot be a male-only problem because DV also exists in other relationship configurations, most notably lesbi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:56 PM
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what the hell is this rambling of a post and how does it even connect to the manosphere in the slightest? Did you forget your medication? Your post is essentially "I observed a man in an awkward situation and it made me uncomfortable, thus men bad, thus manosphere bad, also most women generally nice".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:24 PM
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any fertility rate below 2 is a contraction of the population. That means over generations the population will shrink. This has nothing to do with how much higher the fertility rate for previous generations was. The only difference is how skewed the ratio is
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:25 AM
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I love how morality is superior than survival for these people. Yeah sure nobody gets asked to be born and life is unfair yadda yadda, but at the end of the day we are going extinct. They think life sucks? Just wait until the sole purpose of a society is to manage and care for the old, services for others are basically non-existent and technology went down the shitter because we don't have the capacity for innovation. THAT is what really is behind this whole population decline on a mid-term view…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:38 AM
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Every friend of mine who has applied TRP has turned from a textbook unsuccessful loser to an established ma. Even for me finding TRP has drastically altered the direction of my life for the better. I wonder if you even know what TRP is about and whether you have critically engaged with it and more importantly also with yourself. Because this is key if you want to make it work. Many fail.If you think it's just about "manipulating women into having sex with you" then you have not understood TRP on…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:10 PM
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oh believe me it does work lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:27 PM
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Yeah, that is of course a pretty big issue that is plaguing many LCOL areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:27 PM
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exactly. I have a pretty decent life in Europe, but I will never really be rich. However, if I moved to SEA for example, I could live MUCH more comfortable. The fact that women there are allegedly more eager for a traditional relationship would make this a lot more enticing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:26 PM
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what if you want to use your superior financial leverage because... you can afford a much better life?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:43 PM
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But just because you use contraception does not guarantee there won't be a pregnancy. The pill may not work at the same time the condom fails. Improbable, but possible. And in that case there shouldn't be an abortion out of convenience IMO. The problem is that both the man and the women - by consenting to sex - also agree to creating life. We do not need to discuss whether "a clump of cells" is already a life or not. It will develop into one, and both parents agree to that responsiblity. That's …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:45 AM
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Preserving another life - especially if it is helpless - is also sacrosanct. Your analogy is ridiculous because refusing your child a kidney makes you an asshole, but no such statement about a woman terminating her pregnancy and thus denying her kid to live. Funny how that works if the father doesn't want that, he should consider that before sex. Try that for women. If they value their body so much they should consider that before having sex. No matter how good your contraceptives are, they can …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:16 AM
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if a woman wants control over her body, she needs to consider that before sex. How can you still make this only about her body if another life directly depends on it, and expectation over at least 18 years of financial support from another person?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:07 AM
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Medical abortion is about bodily autonomy AND economical autonomy. Ultimately the core issue is who has to deal with raising and providing for the resulting kid. Either both parents are on the hook or neither. If one party can choose to eject, the other one should also get that option. Equality and all. Why should women alone get to decide that if we're expecting men to fulfill their duties when it comes to parenting? Sure women do have far greater impact on their bodies, BUT that is ultimately …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:29 PM
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oh absolutely they should. It is still also their child. Something something rights and responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:37 AM
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Women are the one who have to go through that because well, they are women. Can't change biology. If women really feel that strongly about the burden of pregnancy and childbirth and all the consequences that come with that, then THEY have to consider that in their decision making process. Maybe you lack an understanding of what it means to be an emancipated woman, because having to deal with the consequences of your own choices is something that is also a requirement for being emancipated. I am …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:32 AM
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yeah but if the other party wants the kid then where is the problem? Ultimately abortion - whether it is the actual abortion or paper abortion - is terminating responsibility. With "terminating life" I meant that the act of an abortion. There is no way you can create a situation where all parties get a fair outcome. The only thing you can do is minimize the level of unfairness. Option A: Abortions are wholly illegal. You accept the risk of pregnancy every time you have sex. Contraceptives failed…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:00 AM
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yeah but we're still dealing with "terminating another life" here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:36 AM
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Precondition for this reply: Abortions are legal and only the woman gets to choose. --- Woman can choose to abort even if the man wants it -> he has no control over the fate of his child Woman chooses not to abort even if the man doesn't want to become a father -> he has no control over his life Whereas: Woman doesn't want to become a mother, she can abort -> she is in control of her life Woman wants to become a mother and does not abort -> also in control --- This is exactly why - if legal abor…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:00 AM
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We don't need healthy masculinity, we don't need healthy role models. We need men like Andrew tate. We need men to be angry, and very very mad. We need men to be loud and obnoxious and whiny like feminists are. And you lost me. We absolutely do need healthy masculinity and role models. But what actual masculinity and role models might look like will differ depending on who you ask. If you ask Feminists, they will say something like a man comfortable showing emotions, being an ally to women's rig…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:59 PM
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Where does it say "all women"? Stop. Manufacturing. Wrongful. Arguments. Out. Of. Thin. Air.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:53 AM
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That could also be an approach. The problem with that is how do you deal with the situation where the woman doesn't want it, but the man does? Should she now give birth and then it is handed over to the father?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 07:05 AM
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Because that is the way it simply is? You have sex, you "risk" pregnancy. It has been like that for all of humanity. Just because we got crafty enough to develop tools to prevent it most of the time does not automatically mean we get to retroactively decide we didn't want it. If you truly didn't want it then you should have abstained. This is what actual bodily autonomy looks like. This car crash analogy doesn't work at all because it isn't remotely close to the same thing. It's also quite ironi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:28 PM
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There is no need to provide evidence for an assertion. What are you even on about? This is the foundational statement from which the argument is derived. Your car crash analogy also falls flat because you literally cannot avoid the consequences of a reckless driver. You accept those risks every time you get into a car. You might not consciously realize it, but that is exactly what is going on. The only thing you can do if you absolutely, 100% never want to be involved in a car accident is to sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:11 PM
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Obviously this assumes child support is a thing no matter what. In that case it would also be slavery for the father as it is for the mother because now they have to provide for 18+ years which mean working more or longer hours and having expenses they would otherwise not have to cover. Yes, women have more burden because on top of having to provide for 18+ years they also have to go through pregnancy, but IMO that should not guarantee sole authority on the decision. As I said, a pregnancy invol…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:47 PM
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Why are you always defaulting to "enslaving women"? Do women have authority over their body? Yes, that's why they can choose to have sex or not. It is literally the same way for men. Don't want to risk pregnancy? Don't have sex, or use contraception. Why are we allowing women to "enslave" men by forcing them to pay for a child they didn't want? Funny how that works. Either both get a say, or neither. You can choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:34 PM
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Abortions should be legal because it doesn't matter if they are legal or not: People will find ways to do it. Period. If that is the case, then we should at least make sure it is safe and happens in a controlled environment. HOWEVER, I strongly believe the rules around that should be strongly revised and not just boil down to "her body, her choice". The reason is that it is decidedly not JUST her body, but also: the body of the child - no need to debate when it can be considered a life. If given…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:17 PM
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- continuation - Then you go on to say that a man can: acknowledge male loneliness which will get you labelled an incel. criticize modern dating structures Incel. reject male disposability Incel, right away incel understand asymmetrical dating dynamics Believe it or not, incel still engage with feminist structural analysis seriously And now you're performative. Which makes you an incel. Believe me, I hate the word "incel" as much as it's possible, but these are unironically statements that come …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:48 PM
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But you are still collapsing criticism of misogyny/adversarial framing into criticism of men discussing male issues at all. That's not me, that is what is happening. Go ahead, mention male issues in any other community around here and you'll likely get called a misogynist incel. Democrats and TRP are not inherently incompatible. They absolutely are. Practically everything a Democrat would stand for is incompatible with what TRP would say. Examples: - Immigration: Democrats would say it is absolu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:47 PM
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But most people are not discovering TRP through old forum essays in isolation. True, and that is the unfortunate reality. But remember that the forums got also pushed out from accessible media. TRP hat pretty distilled community on Reddit until it got removed. And the overwhelming majority of those spaces lean heavily right-wing, anti-progressive, MAGA-adjacent, or culturally conservative. What other alternatives are there? You know that being a Democrat and RP is an oxymoron and you're lying ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:16 PM
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Finally I see someone ask this question, and without doubt I expect to see some common fallacies and misconceptions about TRP again. People keep claiming the pills are not political, but at this point that feels almost impossible to believe. Which people? Also, TRP really isn't specifically political. It might talk about politics, but if you think TRP = right wing/MAGA/bad/etc... then you've already shown that you did not spend the slightest amount of time trying to understand TRP. How many majo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:54 PM
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birth rate is not an issue of women (alone), this is also an issue men need to deal with. The birthrate problem is the fault of all of us. IMO it's much more the destigmatization of having kids outside of marriage and the rise of liberal democracies post WW2. If given the choice, people will choose. Well, people get to choose whether to have kids or not, and they act accordingly. The birthrate issue has nothing to do with security, economic stability or any of that nonsense. It's simply a shift …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:01 PM
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weird example to pull out. Have women's sports been held back? Absolutely. But this has nothing to do with "social elevation". Why do you think "women and children first" exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:58 PM
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just because it is stable does not equal it's paradise. You do realize that NK is probably going to outlast SK, just by virtue of having a stable population? This is not to say that there could be a revolution which topples the authoritarian regime, but with things as they are right now SK is going to vanish and NK just has to sit and wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:55 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 09:42 AM
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Relationships are always some form of leverage over the other. Women have plenty of leverage because they can restrict sexual access and secure offspring, both are things men desperately seek out. To me it is not at all surprising that in the past this was remedied with "hard" methods. But you have to remember that in the past marriage was never really about love, it was about stability. The way it was set up tried to guarantee that a couple stays together and produce children so that society ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 09:26 AM
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you absolutely can if you don't give a fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:51 AM
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It's actually perfectly reasonable to not want to be constantly approached anywhere and everywhere you go. It's reasonable to not want to be on the market 24/7. The big problem with that kind of view: You don't really have a choice. As soon as you go outside, you are on the market. You will have to deal with attention all the time and you will have to shut it down every time you don't want it, but it will occur no matter what. It's the same as if you went to the train station in a tourist town a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:39 AM
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good, go ahead starting a debate if you're not even willing to do some reflection and outright assuming "the other side" are just "a bunch of whining pussies".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:25 PM
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it doesn't JUST come down to sex. But sex IS a factor because most men are simply not capable of getting sex reliably outside of a relationship. Just out of curiosity, at roughly which point in time would you pin the "beginning" of the "male loneliness epidemic" and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:15 AM
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how about 50/50 and no child support? Why should I? If the other parent also has 50% of the burden they also have 50% capacity to earn their own money. I am not subsidizing someone else just because I made a smarter choice and happen to earn more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:07 PM
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İdeally tho you want both, she loving you for what you provide + she is horny for your dick. This is the perfect dating scenario. If the women I date loves me, thats great! However if she denies sex all the time I dont want her. If she hates me, but gives me sex. I would want her. But like I said, the most ideal is to have both. Chiming in before the inevitable "why is it always about sex" comments flood in: It is about the sex because that is literally the only thing you, as a man, could want f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:05 PM
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Takes like these are why people have a bad image of TRP. Man what are you even taking to come up with something brain-dead as this? Did you even put any effort into this post besides spouting the most rage-baity takes and idiotic, shallow view of the world? Folks, nothing to see here, ignore this idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:57 PM
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Umm... no. I don't. Where does anything say that, and what sort of mechanism is built in to discourage overconsumption? It certainly wouldn't fit the business model of manosphere influencers to have their audience constantly dipping out, nor is it ideal for building and maintaining a social media community or "movement." Also, in 5ish years, you're the first person with a red tag to mention this me. Then most TRP you have interacted with have not understood it. Hell, I'll even go as far as say t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:57 PM
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yes, my life all around improved drastically post-TRP. I became much more aware of what is going on, go to the gym regularly, much more forward communication when it comes to what I want, grew a spine and learned to say no, stopped glorifying pussy and focussed more on my life goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:45 PM
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classic LitlithOfBabylon move lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:59 PM
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Let’s be honest here are there any good redpill role models that are good now? Aaron Clarey and Rollo Tomassi are pretty solid role models.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:14 PM
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I don't know how old you are. I'm almost 40. As such, I can tell you that working out, getting money, becoming generally impressive to better their lives and attract women was all stuff boys were talking about in, like, my suburban middle school in the late 90s. Red pill didn't exist in the early 2000s, yet you could find all the popular guys from my dorm in the gym 2 hours a day, expressly to look good for all the girls we were suddenly around. The idea that something new had to come around in …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:07 PM
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The problem in asking about TRP and social science is that neither will acknowledge each other. It's fairly obvious that social sciences reject TRP outright because it states ideas that might be uncomfortable and counter some narratives that it usually spins. And this is exactly the problem why TRP usually rejects social sciences: It heavily slants towards BP thinking and is heavily centered about a female-first mindset. This is already a losing battle. TRP, or at least the vast majority of ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:55 PM
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Anyone could tell you this, including bluepillers, and including the mainstream media before the advent of the manosphere. Except they don't. The issue is that there is no true set of bluepilled advice. Bluepill is not even a thing. Yes there is, it's what society generally views as acceptable advice which doesn't really work, but sounds good to women so at least they get to feel good. Bluepill absolutely IS a thing, but only from a RP perspective. Why do you think this Matrix lingo developed? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:05 PM
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nah, when I found TRP my then-relationship went from bad to better. It ultimately failed, but pre-TRP me would've just sucked it up and accepted a dead BR and lack of sexual fulfillment. Post-TRP me tried to change it from within and it worked to a certain degree. Most importantly, TRP taught me to reassess the relationship critically, and ultimately it failed because she was 100% unwilling to budge on anything being a slight compromise in my favor (instead of being 100% in her favor), and I had…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:59 PM
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Feminism is largely a giant failed shit-test on a societal level IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:40 AM
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Feminists demand equal male contribution in relationships (i.e. "emotional labor"), but simultaneously expect men to still fulfill traditional roles when it comes to "dirty" or "physical" work (e.g. taking out the trash, maintenance work, organizing and paying for dates, being the first one to approach, initiate sex, propose for marriage). No wonder this will make any self-respecting man develop anti-feminist stances.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:23 AM
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Who are the main online figures, influencers, podcasts, or channels you follow? Aaron Clarey and Rollo Tomassi mostly plus their associated podcasts (Rule Zero & Access Vegas occasionally) Do terms like “red pill,” “manosphere,” “men’s rights,” or “traditional masculinity” feel accurate to you? Why or why not? In mainstream media? Mostly not. In my experience, these terms all get thrown into one basket together with some vague opinion corridor terms like "far right", "conservative", "incel", etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 10:40 AM
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The short answer: go read the sidebar content of TRP and engage with it yourself. The long answer: For starters, I drastically changed how I viewed and carried myself around. I did start doing more sports, but not outright going to the gym. I stopped idolizing her as much and treated her as an equal, rather than a divine being above me. Basically she stopped being priority #1 in my life. I stopped showering her with attention through text messages. Before TRP days there would basically be instan…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:52 PM
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Of course boys can suffer. But not knowing your father’s number or how to use a phone at 8, is also a pretty stupid take. You WANT to be a victim. Did you even read the response? All I ever knew was that my father was the bad guy because mother told me so and actively tried to sour the relationship. Of course there are shitty women and shitty men. But how they behaved while you were a Chad, you honestly think wasn’t reactionary. Do you have an idea how they behaved? You know, not every relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:25 PM
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yeah because women can stand up for themselves if they don't like it. Where's that empowerment suddenly when it comes to standing up for themselves and setting boundaries? It's a different story if it's forced, no arguing about that. But if I ask my GF to give me a BJ, it's on HER to decide if she wants it or not. If she does, I am going to assume she enjoys it, because why else would she do it? And if I see that she is just forcing herself to do it just for the sake of keeping me happy, then th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 09:41 AM
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"just use your phone bro" is such a stupid take. As if I didn't have contact with my father outside of the assigned weekends. How about having a stable father figure be present at home when you need it and don't know how to use a phone/know the number of the father when you are 8 years old? It really seems like you just don't want to EVER admit that boys can suffer too, especially when it is fully out of their control. How can you expect me to have trustful attitude towards my father if all I kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 09:36 AM
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I mean, it'd be a nice-to-have, but it also means you will have a virtually inexperienced partner. This can be a good thing (with respect to "forming" her into a sexually compatible partner) and she very likely has little emotional baggage. On the other hand, there could be resentment if you are much more experienced. This whole virginity thing only really works if both are virgins. I am a bit hesitant to admit it, but I think religion has a point here with the no premarital sex rule (for BOTH).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 05:15 AM
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- building up your confidence which may make you more attractive - dread (going into manipulative territory here), but the idea is that if you can display you can drop and replace her any second you choose she might get creative... yeah, not a fan of dread game either - improving your physical appearance, going from the obvious gym routine to taking care of what you wear - the simple realization that if she just isn't that enthusiastic about sex (for whatever reason), you need to accept it and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 05:06 AM
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You were never a nice guyYou were never a nice guy. Where the fuck did I state this? You fucked around in school. You say your dad was present but he couldn’t help how to make friends? Why? Tell me, how much is a father able to be present in a life if all he ever has is every other weekend? Plus, as much as my mother likes to complain about his absence, he never really got a chance to participate because she actively worked against it. Very clever. You were picked on but somehow popular with gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 09:30 AM
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I didn't find the RP until 2015/2016ish, but the journey for sure started way earlier. Let me give rough outline. For starters, my parents separated before I was even born. Yes, being raised by a single mother surely played a huge part, but my father wasn't absent. In fact, he had to fight a lot to even get to see me every other weekend. My mother always wanted him deleted from my life. She even went as far as to mark me as "fatherless". I am only guessing because I get two different stories dep…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:38 AM
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I wish TRP guys were actually on the same page, because what you’re describing sounds much healthier than what I usually see from red pill men online. TRP is a lot more grounded than people think. BUT there are two issues: - First, and this is something almost every ideology/hobby/etc suffers: Newcomers that don't invest time to properly understand it/invest time to do the work, and the lack of proper gatekeeping. - Second, shallow reporting. The most you'll hear about TRP from mainstream source…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 12:36 PM
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Get fit so women want you. No. Get fit because it requires discipline (because frankly, the men who end up on TRP out of necessity need it) and you owe it to yourself to stay healthy. As a nice side benefit, women tend to find physically fit men attractive which coincides with the main motivation to seek out TRP. Make money so women respect you. Make money because it's what enables you to live the life you want. Incidentally, women tend to look for economically stable men when looking for long-t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 09:54 AM
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From my observation I see feminists being VERY eager to push for quotas and "gender equality" in areas where it is beneficial to women. Things like board of directors or high paying, "comfortable" jobs (think: software engineering) there always is a push for "at least 50% women". Funnily enough, more than 50% would also be ok, as long as women are not on the short end of the stick *wink wink*. Look, I am all for providing the same opportunities according to their abilities, but the way it is cur…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:27 PM
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Tate and Clavicular are not RP. Not even close. For once, haters are actually right about one thing: They are grifters. They're about as much RP as PUA is RP (which for the record, is also not RP).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:33 PM
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Yes. It's a duty for everyone. That applies to men as well. You want society, stability, education, etc...? You need to make sure society is stable. Period. Many european pension systems rely on the fact that people birth more people to pay future pensions (generational contract). This contract has been broken for a long time and the looming crisis will be a fun time for all of us. There are many reasons for the decline in birthrate, but one very simple fact is at the root of the issue: If peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:52 AM
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dude is not willing to discuss in good faith and falls back to ad hominems and insults. I will not bother answering to this any further
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:09 AM
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I love when people bring up Rollos history as some kind of gotcha and completely fail to understand that his past is pretty much a standard example of a man's path to TRP. This doesn't make him a grifter or some PUA schmuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 04:57 AM
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so much wrong with this and only in 3 paragraphs. RP was thrown together by dudes in the USA it wasn't "thrown together", it emerged. As Rollo likes to say, men started comparing notes, and that is how it emerged. There is serious overlap with nerd culture (because duh, most unsuccessful men are probably nerds) and somehow this whole Matrix analogy came up. Why? Because once you took the red pill you cannot go back. for dudes in the USA TRP is very US-centered, yes, but the core principles are u…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:19 PM
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you do realize that TRP also got watered down by an influx of people who don't understand it and are not willing to put in the work required? Yes, many vented and blamed women. Like I said, you probably would too. The anger seemingly never ends because duh, there will always be newbies coming in running through the exact same experiences. Are these men validated in their experiences? Yes, because that's what the manosphere also does, contrary to every other space ever: Allow men to vent without …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:58 AM
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The red pill allows angry men an outlet to blame for all their problems. And it seems you have no clue how TRP works. What TRP will do is give men room to vent and share their frustrations without immediately beelining to "women most affected". What the TRP will not do, however, is coddle those men and agree it's the women's fault. Are those men angry? Yes, it's a thing called the "anger phase" after "swallowing the pill". Wouldn't you be angry if everything you've ever been told about love, wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:19 PM
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are you even trying to act in good faith? You are making this about how it's about going back to some oppressive system (which didn't even exist in the way you think it did) while completely ignoring that it was also men that had and still have to fulfill their part of the contract. The old rules weren't about oppressing women, but rather about clearly distinct roles and rigid assignment of those roles. Because it seemed to work in keeping society not only stable, but evolving. This meant that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:08 PM
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no, it argues that the Red Pill is a reaction to how the rules of society have changed one-sidedly. But this does not equal that TRP wants to go back to those days.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:58 PM
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So the thesis of your post is just a "be careful what you wish for" threat regarding women's liberation? Framing TRP as a backlash against women's rights doesn't really disprove anything that people who hate TRP claim. What? This has nothing to do with threatening women's liberation. Women are the ones red-pilling men, not the Red Pill/Manosphere. You know why? Because women seemingly all play by the same rules, and men are being lied to about the nature of the Game by society. Eventually, guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:51 PM
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If I get in the passenger seat of a drunk driver and he crashes the car, injuring both of us, I am fully responsible for the idiotic decision of letting a drunk person drive me around. Thank you, this is an excellent example. I'd like to add that the drunk driver is of course still 100% at fault (for the accident), but you have only yourself to blame to willingly get in a drunk driver's car.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 05:07 AM
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I mean? Aren't we free and also responsible for our own actions?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:31 PM
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Yes of course. Only you are to blame for not paying attention and not considering the possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:29 PM
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So hypothetically, say a woman marries a man she’s known since childhood/high school. They dated exclusively for years. She knows his is family and all about his upbringing. One day he loses his job to AI, has a mental break, comes home and shoots his wife and kids. That is such an extreme hypothetical. You’re really claiming that’s entirely the woman’s fault? Isn’t the man like, you know, somewhat at fault for murdering his family? Yea no shit the man is at full fault of the crime of murdering …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:27 PM
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TRP is a set of tools. This, and an alternative set of tools as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:44 PM
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Sure, but aren’t some failures more “um, you didn’t see THAT coming?” You look at them all the same. Because it does not matter if it's obvious, stupid or malicious. The fact is you need to account for that. All of it. Assess risk and continue. The woman that gets pregnant from the face tat, warrant out for his arrest, never had a real job guy that bails on the kid gets the same reaction as the shirt tucked in mama’s boy accountant, that always was a good guy and partner until he hit 40, saw muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:41 PM
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This is a direct consequence of emancipation, and the RP truly embraces it with this statement. Women are free to make their own choices and have agency. But this means they have to be held accountable for their own actions. The world is full of assholes, crooks, grifters, liars, manipulators, the list is long. You and only you yourself get to decide who to interact with and how. If you failed your vetting process, then it is entirely your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:57 PM
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source: "Trust me, bro!" is not going to cut it. One core observation in TRP is that women project their complaints about the men they like onto every man. The men who pump and dump those women were the ones who are attractive and successful enough to even get there. Such men do not go to prostitutes simply because they don't need to. For them it is easy enough to go out and find a new "plate" to spin. You say married men, but married don't even belong into this discussion. The initial point was…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:56 PM
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For women, one of the most common complaints is that men pump and dump, men just want sex, men do not commit etc etc. If men using escorts for casual encounters were to be more normalized, that leaves the men who are more genuine and wouldn’t exhibit those behaviors. you do realize that men who are able to casually pump and dump are DEFINITELY not the ones who will seek out escorts/prostitutes, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:31 PM
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most men are trying to be promiscuous because that's what is the hardest to achieve for them. Ask guys from the RP how they feel about frequently getting laid once they started becoming successful at picking up girls. Most feel pretty indifferent about it. And yes, promiscuous behavior _is_ bad, also for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 06:46 AM
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We already respect a womans autonomy by giving her free choice whether to have sex or not. The same rule applies to a man. Didn't want to be liable for a kid? Should have assessed the risks better. Yes, it's a different struggle for women and men, but it shouldn't be a free pass to end a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:34 PM
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yes, potentially. Not 100%, but it can happen. Even with the pill and condom. Does having sex at the wrong time (i.e. it leads to a pregnancy) give you the right to terminate a life? I can't just say "I used a condom, so I don't want it, make it go away" because "make it go away" means you will end a life. Again, no point in discussing when it actually "is" a life because the natural course is it will develop into one. I am not a religious person, but there's a reason why religions put so much s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:14 PM
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I will not disagree with you that it's not fair, but that is how the biology works. Sucks, but nothing much we can do about it (yet). One could argue that due to how women are affected differently, the rules should also be asymmetrical, but that still opens up other problems. If the woman and only the woman gets to decide about an abortion, what do you do if the man was baby-trapped? It would be unfair, right? Women "typically" bearing the majority of the child-rearing may be true, and a man sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:09 PM
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but the thing is, it is not. Women have their autonomy, but during a pregnancy it is not just their body anymore. The whole thing is a complicated mess. This is not a debate about "someone elses values" or "attempts to control" - it's a matter of actions and consequences. The only real scenario where the "woman's bodily autonomy" argument makes sense is when her health/life is in danger, she was raped (i.e. no consent) or the baby is already dead/will be a stillborn/not survive for long after bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:57 PM
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Yes, the life of the mother absolutely SHOULD have priority. Just from a very dry and objective point of view, a healthy and fully grown woman could have another kid, so the priority should be her life over that of the fetus. However, that would only apply if the mothers health is in danger or the fetus is already dead. But the debate about abortion specifically excludes cases like the womans health being in danger or the pregnancy being a result of rape. Prohibing abortions in such cases is idi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:39 PM
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of course it depends on the contract (e.g. termination clauses) and whether you have been properly informed about the consequences and whether it was signed under duress, but in such a hypothetical scenario the only logical answer can be: yes, you signed the contract, there is no way to chicken out anymore. Signing the contract equals a promise to the dying person that you are now liable for their survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:33 PM
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Takes two to make one. Yes it's an investment, but raising a child is an investment. Not having sex for people who have sexual drives is just not feasible, but contraception helps reduce a lot of that risk. The problem is that contraceptives are not 100% safe. Just because you use them does not mean you are free from the consequences IF they fail. Feminism is very adamant about consent (which is inarguably a good thing), but consent also means that you are accepting the consequences, i.e. it's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:29 PM
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The problem with this thought experiment is that it neglects the precondition that it was your choice to establish the connection. If you didn't want those consequences then you shouldn't have established the connection in the first place. Although this happens indirectly, the connection can be a direct consequence of your choice. It takes a huge mental and physical toll on the woman going through pregnancy, even in the best case scenario where there are no issues, but that bodily autonomy doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:09 PM
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what about the childs claim to life outweighing the mothers claim to abort? Oh and a father absolutely has to spend time with his child. Just sending a check doesn't free you from parenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:15 PM
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But we still expect the father to parent, invest his time and money. It sure is not the same as carrying the baby to term for 9 months, but it is an investment. Society tells men that if don't want that or don't want to take that risk, then they shouldn't have had sex. Well, why do we not tell women the same? Don't want to get pregnant? Don't have sex. If you do, then you'll have to live with the consequences. Unfortunately, those consequences are asymmetrical due to biology, but a fully adult p…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:14 PM
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does a man then also get his autonomy and thus a say whether he wants the child or not? I.e. financial abortion?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 04:50 PM
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*rich progressive/leftist men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:31 PM
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One thing that TRP often states is that in the end it is just a numbers game. It doesn't matter how attractive you are. Even Chad gets rejected more often than he succeeds. The big difference is that he regularly (!) approaches and interacts with women. Funny little anecdote from my time at university: A friend of mine had a phase where he just said "fuck it" and used the "wanna fuck?" cold-approach line for a month. The final verdict? 3 successful lays out of 33 attempts. Granted, he did it wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 06:18 PM
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this is the sane answer. Not to enforce the relationship lifestyle as the de-facto standard, but it is in fact a strong indicator how mature you are. Got married early, bought a house, have 2 kids, financials in order? Congratiulations, you are a healthy member of this society at 35. If the relationship aspect is lacking that COULD be an indicator that something about you isn't stable, but it's not the only aspect that should matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:43 PM
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this is exactly what is happening. NiceGuys(TM) get a lot of flak for assuming covert contracts (i.e. being nice to the woman will eventually mean she'll get into a relationship with him), but this is exactly the same scenario. Women who sleep with men without explicitly clearing their "conditions" operate under a covert contract - they think that this will be enough to establish a relationship. Like you say, not stating your intentions is not lying. While there certainly are men who abuse this …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 11:32 AM
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adding to that, men ARE expected to provide for the kid - this should get them SOME say in the matter as well
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 11:23 AM
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But do women have the 🥕 to dangle in relationship. Men are expected to do equal chores, equal childcare, work, which is fine because if they are single, they would have to do it anyways. So women need to make their lives better than if they were single. Maybe carrot is sex, spoiler alert it's not. Average sex is like once a week which is nothing really. Is it loyalty and companionship, no, women file 80 percent of divorces. On top of that women's bodies are not getting any better, weight gain, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:57 PM
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But that's not the point though, is it? Sure nobody would genuinely want a relationship like this, yet it still happens. It seems like it's about the money and status with this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 06:01 AM
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yes, and you are framing it solely from a pro-women POV which is absolutely not the case. Because what happened before stage 3 is exactly what the post to which I was responding to explained. The man will eventually stop putting in as much as in the beginning phases, firstly because it is draining, and secondly because whatever he does what his girlfriend wants, the girlfriend rarely does for him. Eventually the relationship reaches an equilibrium - congratulations, you are now in stage 3.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 03:24 PM
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exactly my observations as well. While it is true that men tend to start off strong and it gradually wears down, it is not simply them stopping to put in effort because they "already won the girl", but rather the women failing to put in effort on their end. Virtually every straight relationship I have seen has had the same pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 03:01 PM
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Yes, but that is not the point though
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 06:06 AM
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This is such a strawman it's downright ridiculous. Nothing about wanting a sophisticated sexbot for what is essentially masturbation+ says that women are being seen as sex slaves. You just don't see that men who do hope for sex bots to become a viable option have had no success with women at all. Or they don't want to deal with women anymore for whatever reason (I dare you call this misogynist because women do the same and are not called out for it). Take your inflammatory post off and deal with…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:21 AM
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Well first of all, finding the perfect person isn’t about just getting laid but it is a big part of it. And unsuccessful men want to have both (a relationship and getting laid) because they have a distinct lack of both in their life. what exactly do you want people to say? The Red Pill has an answer to that: the cold, hard truth. "You don't get any women because you are an antisocial fuck." "You don't get any women because you make them your first priority in life which automatically puts you in…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 09:19 AM
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Women and society did not tell men to be nice guys First sentence and it's already wrong. I call BS on your take. "You're such a nice guy, I'm sure you'll find the perfect person some day! Just keep on going!" This sentence is what an unsuccessful guy will hear 99% of the time. Tell me this doesn't imply "being nice" -> "getting laid".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:37 PM
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exactly. Classical dating advice from a woman to "be nice and present yourself as a good man" and then later turn around and complain guys are only nice to get in your pants. To be fair, both ways of presenting are setting yourself up as a provider
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 06:31 AM
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there's a tiny little nuance you are overlooking here - just because they want to be the provider does not mean they want to be settled for just to be the provider. Those men want to take on the provider role in the relationship while still being loved as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 09:20 PM
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Except OP is not explicitly talking about relationships. Valid points, but you missed the mark.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 06:41 PM
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It really depends what a-priori assumption underlies this issue. If the assumption is "everybody has 100% autonomy over their body", then both women and men should be able to "abort" a pregnancy. Obviously this may introduce some issues where a man could opt out at the last possible moment, leaving the woman potentially stranded. Maybe it would have to be for men to make their decision until the 3rd month of pregnancy, but women get to decide until the 4th (these are just random numbers to make …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 09:07 AM
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the AI will never forget her birthday, the names of her relatives, her workplace, their anniversary, or any other data. This eliminates most of the frustrations women have with human males. Wow, what a great first example. As if all men out there just instantly forget their partners birthday. You know a take is idiotic if it's treating people like monoliths. Granted, men tend to forget details of some anecdotal data more than women, but then again people just... forget things. the AI will always…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 07:46 PM
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It's only one way of achieving a sufficient birthrate. I'd rather see an option which also allows individual freedom for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:30 PM
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Because it was feminism that removed the previous dating scene without offering an alternative that serves both sides. So yes, it should be part of the feminist agenda to level the playing field.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:53 PM
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LOL, your first response was a claim that the poster is wrong and you are not debating them at all. Ok then. Why did you respond then if you can't even back up your claims if they are wrong "on so many levels". You're just protesting here because the comment is "against women" and your tribalism instincts are kicking in. Also the classic "I don't owe you shit" when you actually do owe a reasoning for your otherwise useless comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 03:00 PM
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Having "more than one partner" is not the same thing as being a serial monogamist
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 01:48 AM
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Which is a shitty thing to do. Your point is?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 01:43 AM
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It's awful for future LTR prospects. If she never intends to go for a LTR, then there is literally no issue. The 1m$ question is though, will this opinion stay the same or will it change over the next years? And more importantly: does she want to bet on a favourable outcome on her end?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 01:34 AM
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sources tend to disagree a lot on this. All of them do however agree on pregnancies being high-risk above 35. I have some friends who work in a hospital (specifically in the pediatric and neo department so they're rather knowledgeable) and they all say that at least a first-time pregnancy above 30 is considered risky if the mother also used to live an unhealthy lifestyle in her 20s (e.g. alcohol, drugs, smoking, unhealthy diet, ...) so there seems to be some merit to it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 09:11 AM
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but that is not what I said. The issue is that the prime age range for women to get kids (which would be their 20s) is occupied by education and work. The problem is not that women shouldn't have those things, but rather that it takes precedence over having kids - which it should not given the declining birthrates below replacement level in pretty much every western country.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:33 AM
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The problem isn't women focussing on their careers, but rather that this focus on career comes at the cost of family planning. That's not the fault of women. It's just the unfortunate reality of how our economic system works. And it does manifest itself poorly for women because the reality is that first-time pregnancies after 30 are considered risky. Let's assume women finish their education at 25 and then they want to set foot in their careers, that ultimately means they will reach a critical a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 07:25 AM
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it also doesn't help that the go-to insult for unsuccessful men is "virgin", "incel", etc... I am absolutely not surprised that idiots like Andrew Tate find a crowd given the way men tend to be treated by the broader society.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 05:49 AM
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exactly. One of the best mantras to live by is "if it is not an enthusiastic yes, then it is a no". Act accordingly. That doesn't change the fact that for an average dude it's understandable that he will eventually stop putting in effort (to impress women). What he should rather do is invest the effort into himself - that's what the RP is normally about
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:04 PM
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yes, but if your dating life consists of endlessly moving on you start asking yourself the question "what's the point?" and stop putting in effort alltogether
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 12:51 PM
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But at 29-32 she wants a guy who's financially stable or has partner qualities She wants AB, i.e. Chad who has partner qualities, like you have said. The thing is now that guys that fulfill this requirement will go for younger women because - on average - they are more beautiful. On the other side of the equation you have the issue that starting around 30 the fertility window for women is closing. It's not that it is impossible, but a first pregnancy after 30 is considered a risk pregnancy. Coup…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:21 AM
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She can't physically attract any man once she hits 30 She can't physically attract the man she wants once she hits 30. FTFY. It's not about attracting any man, it's about attracting Chad. AF/BB still exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 06:22 PM
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the 304 phase is not strictly about screwing around without commitment. The missing detail is the length and quantity of those relationships. When I was studying most of my female friends were in a relationship, but more importantly they were in a relationship *all the time*. Jordan Peterson calls this serial monogamy. Breaks ususally didn't last long and during those the screwing around *actually* happened. It's just difficult to catch wind of it if you don't live with them. If you do this over…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 09:20 AM
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