Burgersaur Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)

Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
-4	My answer to posts about Feminism is about Equality but it changed. Well what reason to give that a revolution can't eventually be equatable? Human nature is something that can be overcome; gender roles and power relations have changed throughout history and culture. When women fight for bodily autonomy, they aren't seeking to put themselves over men. They just want control over their bodies.	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 10:58 PM
-11	My answer to posts about Feminism is about Equality but it changed. Part of revolution is debasing the constructs around you that result in a hierarchical society. If you don't have elements of refusing and rejecting the idea of hierarchy you can only have a rebellion, not a revolution. A push for a truly equitable society can't simply reshuffle the totem pole. Why is it that hierarchy can't be abolished or at least minimized to the point we can maintain an equatable and just society? When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression, a state…	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 10:53 PM
0	Tumblr user wants to forcibly sterilise pubescent boys I'm confused. If you aren't going to use the sperm to impregnate a women why do you need it? What else are you going to do with it?	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 10:23 PM
2	Tumblr user wants to forcibly sterilise pubescent boys Well yeah, duh. I'm not sure why basic logic becomes a contention. Who is arguing that widowed women are somehow men's fault? The meme is arguing that putting men on birth control until both parties are ready for a baby would virtually eliminate number 1. Roe v wade was just overtired by the way. Women don't always have access to abortion.	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 10:19 PM
0	Tumblr user wants to forcibly sterilise pubescent boys Not a boy lol. Also I'm typing. Men don't make any sense when they get riled up, Jesus.	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 10:14 PM
0	Tumblr user wants to forcibly sterilise pubescent boys Ugh someone sat on a ball. This is why women are scared of men, you're always so angry.	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 10:02 PM
1	Tumblr user wants to forcibly sterilise pubescent boys Also, wat? You should be able to sperm in a women without consent?	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 09:51 PM
1	Tumblr user wants to forcibly sterilise pubescent boys That's kind of the point of the post. It's making fun of men for sure. But it's mostly to parody the different ways we talk about birth control for men and women. Everyone feels very comfortable telling women to get on birth control, but when it's men... Everyone loses their minds lol.	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 09:47 PM
1	Women in this sub, what brought you here? I'm getting your ideas but they are all vague and don't give me any insight to the ideas you find problematic. These indicts are so generalist they can be applied to tonnes of ideas.	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 09:40 PM
0	Women in this sub, what brought you here? What are the harmful set of ideas?	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 09:34 PM
0	Women in this sub, what brought you here? Care to explain why?	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 09:17 PM
0	Tumblr user wants to forcibly sterilise pubescent boys English not your first language? I'm having trouble understanding what you meant	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 09:16 PM
1	Tumblr user wants to forcibly sterilise pubescent boys I mean the original post like the image the first one isn't really a call to sterilize men.	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 09:05 PM
1	Tumblr user wants to forcibly sterilise pubescent boys Yeah that happens	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 09:03 PM
-2	Story time: woman at bar gets mad at me for pointing out women can be abusive also Do you think this way you conduct yourself in public conducive to you being attractive to women?	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 07:29 PM
-3	Story time: woman at bar gets mad at me for pointing out women can be abusive also I don't know what world you live in that you had a conversation with a women to the point that you made her very upset and think, yeah she was the dumb one in the conversation. No part of you thinks that maybe you have bad social skills?	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 07:05 PM
-2	Story time: woman at bar gets mad at me for pointing out women can be abusive also So if I agree with you a little bit we are having a good conversation?	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 06:59 PM
-25	Story time: woman at bar gets mad at me for pointing out women can be abusive also Still don't understand why men jerk themselves off over being mean to women.	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 06:45 PM
7	WA males account for 80% of suicides in the state, among other troublingly disproportionate trends Hence the antecedent. There's 3 times as many males in Qatar.	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 06:44 PM
5	WA males account for 80% of suicides in the state, among other troublingly disproportionate trends The percentage changes depending on where you go, but worldwide there's more women on the planet than men.	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 06:14 PM
-31	Story time: woman at bar gets mad at me for pointing out women can be abusive also Why don't you just say asshole? Men tend to minimize how annoying and insufferable they are when it comes to things. Men like to act stoic and pretend like everyone else has the same ideals. SO when they act annoying in public, the accuse women of being emotional instead of themselves being insufferable.	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 06:12 PM
-6	Story time: woman at bar gets mad at me for pointing out women can be abusive also Cool dude, keep bragging online how you annoyed a woman at the bar.	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 06:10 PM
-5	Story time: woman at bar gets mad at me for pointing out women can be abusive also There's no voice in your head that says that you prolly just looked like a big asshole to everyone that would've heard the conversation?	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 06:04 PM
-34	Story time: woman at bar gets mad at me for pointing out women can be abusive also How you considered that you were an asshole? You said she brought up a topic that you love to shit on. Have you considered that you are unpleasant to be around?	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 05:56 PM
-8	Robert Pattinson Blasts 'Insidious' Male Body Standards, Says He Tried Potato-Only Detox How should we address is then?	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 05:54 PM
1	Robert Pattinson Blasts 'Insidious' Male Body Standards, Says He Tried Potato-Only Detox Look at the forehead on this one!	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 05:52 PM
-24	Robert Pattinson Blasts 'Insidious' Male Body Standards, Says He Tried Potato-Only Detox "Feminism and the Body Positivity movement (which is for women only) has also contributed to the lowering of the female body standards as well." Literally reading a book on feminism that addresses male body positivity rn. I, a feminist, agree that this stuff is bad!	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 05:15 PM
0	Tumblr user wants to forcibly sterilise pubescent boys Also: Tubal ligation is typically a laparoscopic procedure that requires many hours or days of recovery. There also may be serious complications associated with general anesthesia, perforation of intestines or even infection. Tubal ligation also may cause long term side effects such as painful menstrual cycles and pelvic pain, though this occurs rarely. A vasectomy is a simple, minimally invasive outpatient procedure which takes less than one hour. It also does not have scientifically proven l…	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 05:10 PM
-2	Tumblr user wants to forcibly sterilise pubescent boys Let's talk about how augmentation works! You aren't refuting my points, you are only minimizing them. My argument is that, hey all these good things would happen! When you reply with: "oh these things aren't as good as you say they are" you aren't winning the argument. There are still good things on my side. On the issue of single mothers, what? Your argument is that it wouldn't stop single mothers because some women who choose to have children hate their partners later. You are completely ignor…	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 05:07 PM
-8	Tumblr user wants to forcibly sterilise pubescent boys Saying something is a natural right doesn't mean anything. For something to be a right you need to justify WHY it is a right. Saying something is natural doesn't mean it's good. You ask, for what? It would stop almost all single mothers from being single. It would disrupt the power dynamic that men have over women, knowing that mothers have a much harder time leaving an abusive relationship. Almost all the abusive unwanted kids suffer would be erased. There would be virtually no situations where…	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 04:25 PM
-10	Tumblr user wants to forcibly sterilise pubescent boys Saying something is a basic biological right doesn't mean anything, you have to give a value analysis if you want the argument to matter. Women are already sterilizing themselves, often to costs of their health and wellness. It's hypocritical that women are doing it and men don't have to.	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 04:04 PM
-12	Women in this sub, what brought you here? Menslib is better for that.	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 03:29 PM
-21	Tumblr user wants to forcibly sterilise pubescent boys Why do you feel that getting a woman pregnant is a right you should have?	/r/MensRights	21/01/23 03:19 PM
1	Men are taught from a young age that there is only one acceptable way to behave. I bet most of the people upvoting this don't see the problem and the consequences, they only see a small niche detail. It's literally in the topic. Men are taught there's only one way to behave, hence gender roles. You're being incredibly pedantic here. In this topic, that we are talking about now, it is correct to say men and women only bully men; its ok to say that because we are specifically talking about men that don't act manly. Jeez. The post isn't saying women don't get bullied for other reasons.	/r/MensRights	25/08/20 06:10 PM
0	Men are taught from a young age that there is only one acceptable way to behave. I bet most of the people upvoting this don't see the problem and the consequences, they only see a small niche detail. I'm not sure what exactly you're saying? Women's complicity in maintaining gender roles shouldn't be overlooked. I'm a feminist if that matters.	/r/MensRights	25/08/20 05:59 PM
1	Men are taught from a young age that there is only one acceptable way to behave. I bet most of the people upvoting this don't see the problem and the consequences, they only see a small niche detail. Maybe I worded it that way because the topic is about what happens to men, jeez.	/r/MensRights	25/08/20 05:49 PM
0	Women who are drained by Invisible labor vs the visible type that will likely kill men thirteen times more. This comic is good, if it doesn't illustrate the importance of the topic I don't know what will. https://english.emmaclit.com/2017/05/20/you-shouldve-asked/	/r/MensRights	25/08/20 04:27 AM
1	Women who are drained by Invisible labor vs the visible type that will likely kill men thirteen times more. You have to contextualize the things you're saying. We are in a thread, where MRAs brought up women's issues to trash on them. You don't get to say that MRA forums aren't for women's issues and that's why men don't like it when we are in a thread that brought up women's issues to make fun on them. MRA's aren't going to be taken seriously if y'all keep trashing women and women's issues all the time. If you can stay on topic and discuss these things with compassion and understanding more people wi…	/r/MensRights	25/08/20 04:04 AM
-2	Women who are drained by Invisible labor vs the visible type that will likely kill men thirteen times more. 100 percent will defend it the other way. Women that can't pick up after themselves are children. You aren't making the point you think you're making. Yeah, the controversial sexist statement that adult men need to know how to maintain a household.	/r/MensRights	25/08/20 03:52 AM
1	Women who are drained by Invisible labor vs the visible type that will likely kill men thirteen times more. Show me in the post where men's issues are being thrown aside? This is what happens when people inhabit an echo chamber. A recent viral Facebook meme was in my feed that talked about male suicide; the overwhelming majority of people were incredibly supportive, both men and women. The issue is that, as a whole, MRAs can't articulate any point without dragging feminism or women. We can say women aren't valued for their contributions; it doesn't mean men's issues are being cast aside. These things …	/r/MensRights	25/08/20 03:41 AM
-3	Women who are drained by Invisible labor vs the visible type that will likely kill men thirteen times more. The issue is that no one here listens to women, fostering a bunch of narcissistic man-babies. Maybe places like FDS wouldn't draw so many people if there weren't so many fuckboy, childish men running around. The post is about acknowledging the work that women do that goes underappreciated and everyone starts frothing at the mouth. No genuine, productive conversations happen here with so many angry children trashing ideas they don't agree with. The most growth you are going to have when it comes …	/r/MensRights	25/08/20 03:12 AM
1	Women who are drained by Invisible labor vs the visible type that will likely kill men thirteen times more. Totally agree!	/r/MensRights	25/08/20 03:01 AM
5	Men are taught from a young age that there is only one acceptable way to behave. I bet most of the people upvoting this don't see the problem and the consequences, they only see a small niche detail. Men and women will bully other men with dissenting opinions. Society, from a young age, punishes men that don't act the way society expects them to. From children, boys are taught not to cry. Societal norms on the expectations men face need to change if we want less men to kill themselves or suffer in silence. Men can be manly if they want, but no one should force you to act in a way that you don't agree with. The ideas of not seeking help or not showing your emotions need to be separated from w…	/r/MensRights	25/08/20 02:35 AM
-21	Women who are drained by Invisible labor vs the visible type that will likely kill men thirteen times more. I hope you have some time to grow up before getting a real relationship, little boy.	/r/MensRights	25/08/20 02:25 AM
-28	Women who are drained by Invisible labor vs the visible type that will likely kill men thirteen times more. How do you not get this? Why don't men just know what to do around the house to help? It really is like trying to date a child. Being an equal contribution in the house is doing things without being told to or asking what needs to be done. Having to ask your partner what needs to be done is juvenile. This isn't mind reading, it's called being a functional adult. No wonder incels are drawn to this forum. Everyone is missing the point of the post in that the work of women isn't respected or valued…	/r/MensRights	25/08/20 02:09 AM
-33	Women who are drained by Invisible labor vs the visible type that will likely kill men thirteen times more. Maybe men should not act like children? Men that need to be told what to do by women are no better than children. Women are tired of dating boys. Relationships need to be equal and having to be told what to do to help around the house is what children need. You need to be sold to a theater, 'cause boy are you good at projecting. Calling women children when the post is literally how young men act like boys, wow.	/r/MensRights	25/08/20 01:32 AM
1	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's I can’t read anymore, its late and it’s just too heavy, everything you are saying is wrong Amazing point my person. Good back and forth we're having.This is one reason why no one treats this movement seriously. MRA's crumble when met with real opposition. Sure, just dismiss everything. Now that you've shown you aren't serious about this discussion, god you're dumb lol. TERFs are feminists, you don't like TERFs so you must be anti-feminist is the most pants-on-head idiotic statement I've ever hea…	/r/MensRights	25/08/20 01:20 AM
1	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's Finallysomegoodfuckingfood.jpg Here's what I was waiting for, a shallow, pigeon-holed critique of Queer as a whole. You promote transpeople and the concept of identifying as anything. However if a transperson can absolutely “pass” they switch from abnormal to normal on your binary system and no longer queer or non-binary. Isn't Queer about erasing binaries? Is it really fair in you mind to immediately assume you know how I feel about complex topics like gender passing? Is your understanding of t…	/r/MensRights	24/08/20 10:06 PM
-41	This is disgusting Not one post in the sub can go without someone saying something hateful and idiotic.	/r/MensRights	24/08/20 08:16 PM
1	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's What arguments are you making? This isn't productive. If you're setting up something just make the point.	/r/MensRights	24/08/20 06:27 PM
1	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's You debate like old people fuck, this was a massive waste of time. Yet again, no MRA can defend anything coming from their movement.	/r/MensRights	24/08/20 12:23 AM
1	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's Anyone that identifies as one Anyone that identifies as one = feminist.	/r/MensRights	23/08/20 11:37 PM
1	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's How you define it means nothing to me. Anyone that identifies as either is one, I don't care. I have a feeling that your just trying to regurgitate some response to butler you read somewhere. It's comforting to know that not a single one of you can adequately defend your shitty movement. The criticisms I outlined are still on the table. You trying to dismiss them doesn't count as you actually standing for anything, coward.	/r/MensRights	23/08/20 11:03 PM
1	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's Anyone that identifies as such. As I thought, you refuse to engage in a real conversation. These are all real, clear criticisms of this movement and subreddit.	/r/MensRights	23/08/20 10:44 PM
1	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's As much as I love name dropping, this conversation is masturbatory. MRA sucks; the movement positioning itself as anti-feminist is bad. This subreddit is full of hatred for women and feminism. No where do you find: "Yeah feminism has a point, but also men." Male oppression is no where near women's and non-binary oppression. Feminist-adjacent praxis and theory is a better option for male liberation than whatever the fuck y'all are doing. The main talking points of MRAs are fueled by patriarchy. H…	/r/MensRights	23/08/20 10:22 PM
1	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's Do it in a way that isn't obnoxious and hateful and maybe people wouldn't look down on your shitty movement.	/r/MensRights	23/08/20 10:11 PM
1	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's I'm not sure what to do with this post. Cool history lesson I guess. Big Butler and Foucault fan, reading Discipline and Punish right now actually. Yeah, fuck TERFs.	/r/MensRights	23/08/20 09:08 PM
1	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's Can't make a single post without hating on women lol.	/r/MensRights	23/08/20 04:40 AM
0	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's MRAs can't stay on message. It immediately becomes an attack on women and feminism. It shows where your priorities are and immediately outs you as an angry, insecure young man.	/r/MensRights	23/08/20 12:41 AM
0	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's It may be a sparse conversation, but sure I'm down. Keep things organized and I'll reply in a respectable way as soon as I can. I have a bit of stuff to do today but reply when I can. Pick the topic, I'll respond the best I can. I'm a queer theory feminist if that helps you type out a response.	/r/MensRights	22/08/20 09:53 PM
-2	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's women are more emotional than men Stop with the sexist tropes so you cower and run away and please show how I seem like im either 14 or have a learning disorder You misspell very common words, don't use the correct "their," don't use punctuation, and all of your responses are run-on sentences. If English isn't your first language, I'm sorry if that's rude. Even if I wanted to debate you, the way you type is haphazard and hard to follow. I don't think any productive conversation would happen, and…	/r/MensRights	22/08/20 09:37 PM
-3	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's "problem they go off feelings not facts" This kind of stuff it why no one respects y'all. Go ahead and mass generalize a group of people and expect anyone to want to treat you seriously and debate you. Even saying feminists go only by emotion is sexist. Sure, everyone that thinks differently is so intellectually below you. I don't know how to say this without being super rude or condescending... The way you type makes it seem like you are either 14 or have a learning disorder; I don't think I'm …	/r/MensRights	22/08/20 09:16 PM
-5	One of the main reasons why few men are MRA's None of you can hear a dissenting opinion without downvoting, just like the people you complain about. No one likes y'all because you can't stick to a point without being sexist and complaining about feminists. So much women hating happens in this subreddit. No one can contextualize men's problems without being a big annoying child.	/r/MensRights	22/08/20 07:59 PM
1	Ah men’s issues being ignored is as usual men’s fault. Well done feminists, well done. My biggest issue with the way you respond is that I never feel engaged on the topic of what feminism can do for men's liberation. There's fundamental facets of feminism that align with men's issues. I say here's what feminism does, and you say here's what feminist do. I don't agree with this idea, but feminism can have ideas that are foundational to men's liberation while also have feminists in power working against mens liberation. We almost got to a good point of discussion before it went of t…	/r/MensRights	02/08/20 06:25 AM
1	Ah men’s issues being ignored is as usual men’s fault. Well done feminists, well done. I'm jamming with my band rn. I had a really good conversation with one of y'all, dude was older though. I was coming into these conversations incorrectly. I need to finish up my practice and I'll give you a civil reply.	/r/MensRights	01/08/20 11:22 PM
-13	"Coronavirus and women in detention: A gender-specific approach missing" Women are 7% of incercerated persons, and men more vulnerable to Covid19 ... but of course early release policy should focus on women's needs If you read the article it doesn't say anything discriminating towards men. The article says that men are already being released and the factors are based on men allready. Not everything is discrimination; this makes you just as bad as the rad-fems you dislike.	/r/MensRights	01/08/20 04:52 PM
9	Disgusting misandry, why not create free bus program for all the poor regardless of their gender ?! maybe because they don't see men as human being. The festival involves sisters traveling around to give brothers charms and such, hence men not needing the free ride. This isn't sexism. In the same way that feminist label everything sexism, you doing undermines actual prejudice against men.	/r/MensRights	01/08/20 04:25 PM
1	Ah men’s issues being ignored is as usual men’s fault. Well done feminists, well done. Cool man than you agree with me. If they identify as feminist they aren't egalitarian.	/r/MensRights	30/07/20 09:03 PM
-19	Ah men’s issues being ignored is as usual men’s fault. Well done feminists, well done. You don't get to label others peoples liberation. I could say the same about you, you're actually a feminist. Getting rid of gender roles that contribute to male oppression is feminist.	/r/MensRights	30/07/20 05:00 PM
-29	Ah men’s issues being ignored is as usual men’s fault. Well done feminists, well done. Quit making assumptions. I'm a feminist and both myself and my friends care about men's issues. Quit trying to be the victim.	/r/MensRights	30/07/20 04:28 PM
-4	What sort of thought process are these women having? Remember civility. No ones mind is ever changed when they feel attacked.	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 01:27 PM
-9	What sort of thought process are these women having? So I'm prolly going to say some annoying things, so bear with me. It's hard to understand these things, it's straining and doesn't feel good getting criticized. One issue young men face is constantly being criticized and when they try, like in these instances, they are met with hostility. It's not easy being "woke." You eat a lot of shit. One thing this subreddit (Mensrights) has going for it is that it's really easy to get mad about these things. It's much easier to say they are the sexist ones…	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 12:30 PM
1	“Gender equality” group says male victims of sexual assault suffer in silence because of toxic masculinity I'm sure that you don't need a random internet stranger to tell you that you are intelligent, eloquent, and Insightful. Security that comes with old age. Old man swagger. I think you bring up really good points on acedemic elitism and purity vs. pragmatism. Its way to easy to get caught up if the slobberknocker that is these forums sometimes. It's easy to forget that the person you're talking to genuinely can be upset about things and might just need some compassion. The thing I need to sort in …	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 10:57 AM
-14	What sort of thought process are these women having? Im a fem/men's lib that lurks 2X a bunch if any of you want to actually talk about the topic and discuss it. I'm sure you just want to get mad instead though. Try to keep it civil if possible.	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 10:26 AM
-45	That discusting subreddit still exist. credit: u/memelantern on r/dankmemes Completely agree. The way that this subreddit champions men's rights is pig headed and toxic. If this sub didn't produce men that go into spaces and cause trouble these arguments would not be immediately rejected. A conversation on men's rights can't happen when everyone here is so hostile and aggressive. The sub doesn't hate men, just annoying men. Therefore it's not sexism and funnily enough not against the rules of this sub. Your forum rules define it as not sexism. If there's a qualifying tr…	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 10:15 AM
-75	That discusting subreddit still exist. credit: u/memelantern on r/dankmemes No, they just think that you all in particular are horrible and annoying. I'm pro men's rights it's you people that's the problem. Also that meme is tacky.	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 10:05 AM
1	“Gender equality” group says male victims of sexual assault suffer in silence because of toxic masculinity You're immensely pleasant to talk to. Im having trouble quoting you, cause mobile. I'll try to keep things organized. I'm eager to hear your perspective on the terminology. I do have an argument against it of you you want to tack on a retort to your explanation. Or not, I'll still read it with genuine curiosity and respect. My issue is allowing word policing from the gender that still holds cultural power. The words themselves are not the issue. If all feminists adopted the term you suggested, t…	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 08:36 AM
0	“Gender equality” group says male victims of sexual assault suffer in silence because of toxic masculinity I do need to know where you stand of a few issues. It's unclear in your post wether you defend the idea behind the use of the term toxic masculinity and it's continued use in current vernacular. I would actually appreciate a the feminism TM behind it. That context is particularly important in this subreddit. Feminism laid the groundwork to even have a discussion on issues related to gender performance and damaging stereotypes that men face. Feminism gets trashed on here so hard and MRAs are quic…	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 07:14 AM
1	That's an odd way of saying men make up more than 50% of all civilian casualties in the Afghanistan conflict during the first half of 2020. I'm actually trying to have a debate here. I have to wade through all of your annoying idiosyncrasies just to get to the point were we have something to talk about and you still have to make some backhanded annoying comments. This is why it's so much easier to call you apes than get invested in an argument. I genuinely got excited for a productive talk. You finally said something interesting with a real, honest, intersection of MRA and fem and you can't shut up for for a bit to have that discuss…	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 06:29 AM
0	“Gender equality” group says male victims of sexual assault suffer in silence because of toxic masculinity Y'all can call it whatever you want if it would stop your complaining about the term and actually want to talk about the topic. This forum refuses to actually discuss the problem if there's even a hint of feminist framework. MRAs love historical erasure. Let's completely ignore the roots of feminism now that they fought against gender roles. Now that men are able to dicuss the negative sterotypes of men that feminism laid the groundwork and vocabulary for lets us forget that men in culturally po…	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 06:18 AM
1	That's an odd way of saying men make up more than 50% of all civilian casualties in the Afghanistan conflict during the first half of 2020. God dammit stop posting for five minutes. You made 2 good points and we can't talk about it because you can't stop posting fucking statistics. If we kept to my debate structure we'd be having a really cool conversation about shit. We finally got to a decent point of contention. Given, all of the posts could have been minimized to like a paragraph. You keep posting things I don't disagree with. We are no longer having a debate or conversation. This is one way at a point. A conversation requires t…	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 05:40 AM
1	That's an odd way of saying men make up more than 50% of all civilian casualties in the Afghanistan conflict during the first half of 2020. From the link you posted: "Organizers say they are giving food voucher tickets almost exclusively to women because previous food handouts were sometimes disrupted by young men pushing their way to the front of the line or taking the heavy bags of rice and other dry goods away from women." "About 15 minutes later, the woman was back, telling NPR's translator that once they got out of the sight of the U.N. soldiers, he took off running with her rice." Your posts are so ranty and all over the place…	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 05:30 AM
1	That's an odd way of saying men make up more than 50% of all civilian casualties in the Afghanistan conflict during the first half of 2020. Stop being so messy and chaotic when you post. How TF am I supposed to keep track of this? If you keep doing multiple posts with stuff all over the place we are just going to post over each other.	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 05:20 AM
1	That's an odd way of saying men make up more than 50% of all civilian casualties in the Afghanistan conflict during the first half of 2020. Stop making multiple posts, I can't respond cleanly that way. I'm writing up a post, rn.	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 05:09 AM
1	That's an odd way of saying men make up more than 50% of all civilian casualties in the Afghanistan conflict during the first half of 2020. Your making this too personal, I didnt say you, I said people. This is a point that you don't get. It is personal, it is always personal. You may be able to distance yourself from the argument, but I can't. This is about liberation and safety of people. When you trash feminist online you are talking to women that need refuge, women that found feminism because of sexual assault. When you post hateful stuff like your pussy pass denied post it's personal. These spaces you talk about, spaces that yo…	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 04:59 AM
1	That's an odd way of saying men make up more than 50% of all civilian casualties in the Afghanistan conflict during the first half of 2020. Why can't ya'll do anything not filled with hatred man c'mon.	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 04:12 AM
1	That's an odd way of saying men make up more than 50% of all civilian casualties in the Afghanistan conflict during the first half of 2020. To answer that specific argument, yes this alone is a good arguement to say that feminism is "bad" so to speak and is a great arguement for why a sperate mens movement is needed, which of course feminism is trying desperately to shut down. THIS! This here. Fucking finally. Respond to the things I say and defend a position. This is where conversation can begin. Please Keep your responses like this so we can actually talk. These arguments are demanding perfection of a movement. What this argument …	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 03:59 AM
1	That's an odd way of saying men make up more than 50% of all civilian casualties in the Afghanistan conflict during the first half of 2020. I'm mushing your posts together. Ok Mr.Evidence person. Want to give me some sources that say TERFs are a "Big Chuck" of feminism? How do you even make that assumption? Want to give me numbers? 20%? Is that good enough? Want to find me some evidence that says how many feminists are TERFs? No evidence, no argument. Are you not used to having your ideas challenged? Let's talk about respect in debate. I can say rude things to you, but when I respond to you, I respond to what you say. You don't do t…	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 02:56 AM
1	That's an odd way of saying men make up more than 50% of all civilian casualties in the Afghanistan conflict during the first half of 2020. Large chucks? This is what makes this arguments so exhausting. FEMINISTS FUCKING HATE TERFS. How is it that all of you feel so comfortable making vast value judgments like this? Large chucks lol. TERFs are the most vilified branch of feminism I can't get you to stay on track for one line of argument. You said feminism doesn't care about trans people. My response was hey I'm queer and support queer fem. My point of bringing it up is that my identity as person stems from academic literature that o…	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 02:34 AM
1	That's an odd way of saying men make up more than 50% of all civilian casualties in the Afghanistan conflict during the first half of 2020. Cool let's talk about context and my response. The post above me said that feminism is bad because it doesn't fight against the draft or changing insurance premiums for different genders. I think that's stupid. This is what I'm defending, hence why I replied to it. So to be against me you think that feminism sucks because it doesn't fight to end the draft. If the response is no, then you've been arguing in the wind. 2) The post I replied to is literally saying this. 4?) Remember that thing I sai…	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 02:24 AM
1	That's an odd way of saying men make up more than 50% of all civilian casualties in the Afghanistan conflict during the first half of 2020. "because of how presumptuous all of you are." No you're just not used to actually having to defend your assertions. How are you not able to see the irony here? Am I taking crazy pills? I said you assume things, then you immediately assume something? I've defended this stuff in college debate with academic sources. You accuse people of being uncivil, yet with every post each of you assumes that no one is as intellectually upright as yourselves and expect respect back. I don't care if you are quee…	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 02:03 AM
0	That's an odd way of saying men make up more than 50% of all civilian casualties in the Afghanistan conflict during the first half of 2020. My point is that telling a movement what they should defend is stupid, mostly because you don't practice what you preach. It's impossible to debate any of y'all because of how presumptuous all of you are. I'm queer, defending queer theory feminism. God you y'all give me a headache.	/r/MensRights	29/07/20 01:32 AM
-5	That's an odd way of saying men make up more than 50% of all civilian casualties in the Afghanistan conflict during the first half of 2020. You're not fighting for non-discrimination against trans people so eat a dick.	/r/MensRights	28/07/20 10:52 PM
1	What is the point of Men's rights? Maybe I'm just a potato but I find your posts a little hard to follow. and feminsims concept of toxic masculinity and patriarchy are very weak and easily refuted If it is so easy then do it? If you can give me like a pointed thing with one or two sentences explain what each argument is we can go from there?	/r/MensRights	27/07/20 09:50 PM
1	What is the point of Men's rights? There is nothing stopping me from critiquing feminism. My problem is that you'll be 9/10 times be called an incel, or a misogynist. Feminists critique other feminists. I happen to be really into queer theory and criticize feminism all the time. I'm being a little generalizing here, but there's a lot of nuance and base understanding that a lot of MRAs lack that to do it without sounding like a misogynist. There's a large amount of fundemental misunderstandings in the forum that will immateriality…	/r/MensRights	27/07/20 09:38 PM
2	What is the point of Men's rights? Bell Hooks address your first point really well. "And that clarity helps us remember that all of us, female and male, have been socialized from birth on to accept sexist thought and action. As a consequence, females can be just as sexist as men. And while that does not excuse or justify male domination, it does mean that it would be naive and wrongminded for feminist thinkers to see the movement as simplistically being for women against men. To end patriarchy (another way of naming the instituti…	/r/MensRights	27/07/20 08:43 PM
1	What is the point of Men's rights? Cool, MRAs argue against the specter of what they think feminism is. Trying to value feminism based on radical things on the internet is the same as judging MRAs by what incels say. Given that, this subreddit wholly argues against their conception of feminism opposed to what it really is. Feminism doesn't dismiss men's issues, in fact, it provides a framework for understanding the social stereotypes at play that can influence a lot of men's issues. Concepts like toxic masculity and patriarchy do…	/r/MensRights	27/07/20 08:10 PM
2	What is the point of Men's rights? If you want me to drop the act and have a civil conversation I'll do it. I've tried a bunch of times as well and as soon as I take it seriously y'all try to troll. Right here, right now! No games. Let's do it, civil conversation. Promise.	/r/MensRights	27/07/20 07:50 PM
0	What is the point of Men's rights? God, why is every single MRA incapable of not being antagonistic to feminist for five seconds. The second sexism? Had to try to get a stab in at Simon huh? Men face prejudice, just having a normal discussion about it is impossible with all y'all. The book isn't going to me anything new. It's the way that y'all position yourselves that's the issue.	/r/MensRights	27/07/20 06:51 PM
0	What is the point of Men's rights? I'm pro killallmen. I don't know why all the MRAs start frothing at the mouth when they hear it though. Something about being a MRA takes away the ability to use your thinking skills without drooling. Not you of course, not all MRAs, but the ones I interact with. There's good MRAs I'm sure but most of them, and the ones in positions of power are at fault. It sucks that you get in the cross hairs. But yeah killallmen.	/r/MensRights	27/07/20 10:12 AM
0	What is the point of Men's rights? I expect you to read books and call you apes because you can't.	/r/MensRights	27/07/20 10:01 AM
0	Why do feminists and Mens Lib hate us so much? Ok good to know I will stay away then. Please do us all a favor. So basically don't call you on your bullshit or expect a ban? Got it. Naw, just can't have a civil discussion about stuff. It's kiddish; I can never tell when y'all are trying to troll or are genuinely just stupid. Here's hoping you can sort yourself out in the next few years, young man. Constantly having to remind people how smart you are is a sign of insecurity. Good talk.	/r/MensRights	27/07/20 02:46 AM
1	Why do feminists and Mens Lib hate us so much? So men aren't allowed in feminist spaces? What the hell are you doing there then? I'm queer. Whatever you think you know about feminist theory or even gender theory is moot. I know a thousand times more and I've been where you are. I won nationals in college debate. There's a big doffus trophy in my school. I've been over this topic in academic spaces competitively. But sure man. No not really Im just curious as to why you people are so hateful when we both say we want equality. You're being ove…	/r/MensRights	27/07/20 02:36 AM
-5	Why do feminists and Mens Lib hate us so much? My guess is that the reason that question gets asked is because there are some radical feminists who don't believe that a man can be raped. These people are likely verifying a comment that they heard from someone. Getting banned just looks like they don't believe that men can be raped but rather than admit it just banning the person. There's a FAQ in this forum. There's also a difference between asking and deliberately trying to ruffle feathers. This case it was the latter, and deserved a ban. O…	/r/MensRights	27/07/20 12:38 AM
-3	Why do feminists and Mens Lib hate us so much? I do think there's a difference between calling a forum a dumpster fire and the responses you get in this forum. Funny that I was a former MRA turned feminists talking to the opposite. Problematic behavior def happens on both sides. Ive engaged it some dumb stuff as well cause I get irritated really fast. I'll defend kill all men and male tears to inflame people when I lose my patience. Y'all get banned because y'all show up to these spaces ready for a fight and asking bad questions. Stuff like …	/r/MensRights	26/07/20 11:09 PM
0	What is the point of Men's rights? I tried my best my dude; this conversation isn't going anywhere and isn't compassionate. You're telling me that despite individual feminists, and feminists writers talk about the things you say they don't, it still doesn't count. I posted several groups that advocate for equality in shelters, which by definition means allocating funding, and yet it's not good enough? Despite evidence that feminists groups are talking about and addressing this issue, I have a feeling that no matter what you are g…	/r/MensRights	26/07/20 10:55 PM
0	What is the point of Men's rights? Just keep making me jump through more hoops huh? Nothing is ever good enough lol. Posted several groups btw. Yeah bud, all y'all MRAs do the same thing. Insist that these ideas do something that they don't. No evidence to the opposite will get the idea out of your heads. The blame goes on society and the people that enforce that sterotype. If you can't accept that I can't help you.	/r/MensRights	26/07/20 10:20 PM
-1	What is the point of Men's rights? I feel like I'm getting really close to getting sucked into another pointless argument. Women's Aid, Voices of men and NOMAS and connect (Male fem groups,) woman's law advocates for male victims. Erica Friedman and joy are advocates for male shelters. Jamie Abrams has a paper called the feminist case for acknowledging women's acts of violence. Zwerling on feminist.com has a paper calling for shelter symmetry. Jennifer Gaboury addresses this topic on feministwire. I could go on, but your just goi…	/r/MensRights	26/07/20 09:43 PM
-4	What is the point of Men's rights? You're right. I'm not going to be so hostile. Y'all genuinely rustle my jimmies lol. It's way to easy to get sucked into this place and it makes me feel better to call people apes. I can't change your mind about things. I only know what I experience. Yes, people say dumb stuff online. But in the real world, the people I'm around, and the activist on college campuses are incredibly caring individuals. Y'all love to argue against the feminist spook, the ghost of what you think feminists are. You c…	/r/MensRights	26/07/20 08:14 PM
-4	What is the point of Men's rights? I think I've been a little guilty of getting sucked into the spectacle and being horrible, I'm going to not try and do that. The tone of your post was pretty rude and I don't think peoples mind ever change when faced with hostility. I believe that your post is done to make you feel good, not change anyone's mind. If you go looking for bad things, you'll always find them. Menslib and twoX have always been a place for male victims to go to find support. The topic is very dear to me. My friends (fe…	/r/MensRights	26/07/20 07:34 PM
61	Progress is possible. I spoke up at a union meeting about paid paternity leave, got a groundswell of support, and now it's on the negotiating table for next year. Nice Job, my guy.	/r/MensRights	26/07/20 07:23 PM
-3	Why do feminists and Mens Lib hate us so much? I'm solidly men's lib if you want to have an open conversation about stuff. A lot of this thread immediately devolved and turned into a dumpster fire. My biggest issue is that MRAs in general, and when they go to other forums, are immensely rude and are solidly committed to not understanding feminism. The favorite argument here is "well some feminist feel this way" but if you make value statements in the same vein they call you man hater.	/r/MensRights	26/07/20 05:32 PM
-7	What is the point of Men's rights? Being in here is a toxic cesspool. Younger men trying to figure out the world and don't know a lot about compassion. Menslib is significantly better when it comes to discussing men's issues without all the feminist trashing circle-jerking. Liberation is about compassion and you will find only hatred here	/r/MensRights	26/07/20 05:12 PM
1	Take care of your homies, OK? There's a huge problem with gay masculinity. The same toxic BS from cishet men happens in gay spaces. You wouldn't know cause you don't go to gay bars.	/r/MensRights	25/07/20 06:57 PM
2	Take care of your homies, OK? You genuinely cannot have a mature conversation with any of these people on this topic.	/r/MensRights	25/07/20 06:40 PM
1	Telling a guy to "man up" is the same as telling a woman to "get back in the kitchen". Looks like a bunch of links I need to pour through, I'm going to grab a coffee. Once I'm done reading at least most of them I'll write up a bigger response. I do need a few things from you while I go through these. How do we come to terms with different writers saying different things? Feminism is a a big subject with different sects and a well of academic literature. One your side, you cite fem writers that say things you disagree with; I'm going to cite fem writers you do agree with. Is citing…	/r/MensRights	24/07/20 06:21 PM
-3	Why are we making feminism the enemy? Queer-theory feminism. The wikipedia article is pretty comprehensive if you want to give it a read. "Queer and feminist theories, like other perspectives based on socially-based identities and gender, tend to overlap. Both of these theories are described as responses to the "essentializing" of gender and sexual identities, which lead to the oppression of those who do not conform to socially constructed gender norms." Judith Butler is a big influence on how I look at this subreddit. The idea of g…	/r/MensRights	24/07/20 12:36 AM
-4	Why are we making feminism the enemy? You're expecting nuance from a group of people convinced that the things they read on the internet are true and no amount of evidence to the contrary will change that. Feminism and MRA share a lot of common goals and MRAs use framework and ideas taken from queer fem. However, as soon as you use feminist terminology to describe the problems men face they start frothing at the mouth. I've been playing with the idea of posting queer fem without the terminology to see if they will agree.	/r/MensRights	24/07/20 12:16 AM
1	“Women are so oppressed” When you said we are done here I took it seriously so I didn't bother reading your post.	/r/MensRights	24/07/20 12:06 AM
1	Telling a guy to "man up" is the same as telling a woman to "get back in the kitchen". I thought women were supposed to be the emotional ones lol. Clearly you can't have a rational debate about things without losing your temper lol. I'm solidly queer, radfem. Not moderate. I'm sure people are going to read that and say wow that was an intelligent, compassion statement and not a rant by some butthurt rube. "Stop reading books" -you lol Go tame yourself, ape.	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 11:56 PM
1	“Women are so oppressed” I gave you sources from Wikipedia, sources from feminist writers and an analysis on why it makes sense. Your response is nah we don't like being mean to women? What more do you want? Your point of the patriarchy isn't the cause of all problems is valid, mostly because you're the only one that brought that up. You're arguing with yourself. You have these preconceived notions of what feminism is and no one is arguing these things expect yourself. My points that were numbered for you above, were ne…	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 11:44 PM
1	“Women are so oppressed” From wikipedia: however, since the late 20th century it has also been used to refer to social systems in which power is primarily held by adult men, From falci: which I call Patriarchal Institutions, which reproduce and exert male dominance over women. We use the term because the analysis comes from male dominance. The terms don't make sense using them reversed. No wonder you have such a negative view of fem lol. You have all these ideas and conclusions that are just hogwash lol. Stop coming to …	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 11:25 PM
1	“Women are so oppressed” Ok we can argue this part later. Just pretend for a moment. Men for a long time, have had a privileged role in determining culture. Men created these stereotypes. These stereotypes are still in effect and affect both men and women. Because men were the ones in power when these were made, we refer to it as the patriarchy and TM. If women were the ones that were culturally dominate and made these roles, it would would be called toxic femininity. I follow your line or reasoning, but what you said d…	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 10:56 PM
1	“Women are so oppressed” Ok, I think I'm getting better at framing arguments with you lot. I'm going to try and keep things as clean as possible. I disagree with your concept of toxic masculinity. You got the first part right, but messed up on the second. He, himself, wasn't being toxic, but the people around him were; that's part of the whole equation. The act of not wanting to seek help is part of it. In this case, it wasn't. The response that he got, however, is also related to how we treat men. The stereotype that m…	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 10:31 PM
1	“Women are so oppressed” What term would you prefer? Does the name bother you so much that you can't have a civil conversation of the topic because the label is so insufficient? Is it wrong to label the problems that men face part of masculinity?	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 09:57 PM
1	Telling a guy to "man up" is the same as telling a woman to "get back in the kitchen". That's your fall back huh? The person that accuses me of ignoring things and refusing to engage in a debate, ignores everything I just said to bring this one thing up? Fuck the the Duluth model. I don't support it, the writers I agree with don't support it. Quit hanging on to that as the the trump card against feminists. It's outdated and people that support it are wrong. Also, please re-read the tit-for-tat request. I gave you the respect to respond, directly, to your question. Return the favor…	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 09:47 PM
1	Telling a guy to "man up" is the same as telling a woman to "get back in the kitchen". I'm merging two posts together so if it's a hodgepodge that's why. If we are going to go tit-for-tat so you can not feel like I ignored you then you gotta do it back. To respond to you directly, both men and women perpetuate these damaging stereotypes. To say otherwise is obnoxious. It's impossible to make a true value judgement on how many people of what identity do these things. I have a feeling that you going to respond with something annoying like "feminists" perpetrate it. Society is the on…	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 09:23 PM
1	Telling a guy to "man up" is the same as telling a woman to "get back in the kitchen". Oh no no no. Men have a lot more problems than that. I was just using that as an example to bridge the divide between what we think as well as using it as a staging point to talk about what I actually believe. You have a bad habit of putting words in my mouth. If that's what you thought I meant then excuse me, I'll try to be more clear next time. I'm really curious why you don't want to engage with me on this topic of male victim-hood. I don't appreciate you minimizing this to just men "being st…	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 09:07 PM
1	Telling a guy to "man up" is the same as telling a woman to "get back in the kitchen". I don't understand what you mean? I'm trying to have a discussion on why men aren't treated as victims they way they should be. Am I being a jerk here? The fact that men aren't seen as victims is troubling and frankly I think you're being insensitive to this here. There's damaging stereotypes that society perpetuates that says men can't be victims. We should be fighting to destroy those stereotypes so male victims can get the respect they deserve. If you disagree tell me why?	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 08:52 PM
1	Telling a guy to "man up" is the same as telling a woman to "get back in the kitchen". I'm trying to hear what you have to say. I'm doing what you want from me. I'm trying to listen. If it's true I don't know what I'm talking about enlighten me. I do care about men's issues. I just have alternative framework to understand it. I think that society holds men to impossible standards, those of being seen as the protector and ideals such as stoicism. Society says that men can't be vulnerable, be victims, or show emotions. These toxic stereotypes are damaging and perpetuated by people t…	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 08:39 PM
1	Telling a guy to "man up" is the same as telling a woman to "get back in the kitchen". Cool! Let's hear what you have to say then. I'm interested in your opinion. What are the main problems that men face and what is the best strategy to combat it? Focus on things like male abuse victims and stereotypes men face. Try not to just complain about feminists. What are pragmatic ways that we can combat damaging stereotypes that affect men?	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 08:17 PM
1	Telling a guy to "man up" is the same as telling a woman to "get back in the kitchen". What book on feminism did you pull this info from?	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 08:07 PM
1	“Women are so oppressed” This post here is the crux of difference between feminists and y'all. You are sorta getting it. The arguments you are using are the feminists arguments. The things you are saying are the problems with toxic masculinity. You just refuse to use the term toxic masculinity for some reason. If the term wasn't used you would be making the same arguments that feminists make when discussing this issue. When we are discussion the expectations of men, that equals masculinity. It's toxic, hence toxic. Why …	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 07:36 PM
1	“Women are so oppressed” Why does society not care about men's issues?	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 07:26 PM
-1	Telling a guy to "man up" is the same as telling a woman to "get back in the kitchen". I'm trying so hard to engage with you and It's not working. I tried my dude, I really tried.	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 07:07 PM
1	Telling a guy to "man up" is the same as telling a woman to "get back in the kitchen". You just keep restating the same stuff without engaging in the topic. This is why no one wants to debate you MRA nerds. If you need some context on what's going on: I'm saying that they way you characterize feminist arguments is incorrect. You keep claiming this argument somehow diminishes women's agency and you aren't making any warrants or responses. Re-read your post, you didn't make a single argument on anything. You gave me a half-ass analysis of fem, said I don't read books, and called me …	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 06:57 PM
-6	Telling a guy to "man up" is the same as telling a woman to "get back in the kitchen". I'm not claiming women don't have agency, that's what you're saying. You're desperately trying to make this argument something it's not so you can argue against it the only way you know how. Saying women can reinforce toxic masculinity doesn't deny women of agency. Toxic masculinity isn't a man. Both men and women can reinforce it without the other present. Read a book, please.	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 06:41 PM
1	The post equality world feminism built. I've never met someone that has the ability to so quickly and comprehensively both distill the opinion of a mass amount of people and critique the contribution of feminist theory to thought. You should be a sociologist.	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 06:24 PM
-10	Telling a guy to "man up" is the same as telling a woman to "get back in the kitchen". When confronted with an argument, the ape immediately deflects to best not engage in thinking that could be problematic to their world view. If debating a topic was as easy as saying "So you think...?" followed by an absurd, straw-manned interpretation of the others argument, no one would need to read books. I'm dying to hear how you can justify this. Why is it that in every other facet of society we expect people to read books to know what they are talking about. I'd expect a chemist to at leas…	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 06:01 PM
-15	Telling a guy to "man up" is the same as telling a woman to "get back in the kitchen". Women can still enforce toxic masculinity. I'm that dipshit. Feminism solves this problem. Equating women and feminism makes no sense.	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 05:51 PM
1	The post equality world feminism built. Cool, I was unaware that it's a bad thing to have differing opinions on things and discuss them. Clearly a massive movement of people without homogeneous ideas is somehow hypocritical.	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 05:40 PM
-3	We need to recognize this It doesn't matter what you think. I have no interest in hearing your sociopathic young white male opinions. Grow up, get some life experience and figure it out. If youre an adult, find a therapist. Laughing at people with mental problems is cruel and a sign of sociopathy. Nothing you say is new, or contributes to the conversation in anyway. We've heard it all before. Figure yourself out.	/r/MensRights	22/07/20 06:35 AM
-8	We need to recognize this You can't logic people into being compassionate and empathetic.	/r/MensRights	22/07/20 06:21 AM
-9	We need to recognize this This is bad and you should feel bad.	/r/MensRights	22/07/20 05:58 AM
-12	We need to recognize this This is bad and you should feel bad.	/r/MensRights	22/07/20 05:58 AM
-1	Women shaking their ass at a preacher appears as funny and creative, which the guy seems completely against, how is this not sexual harassment? No one said anything about inherencecy. Men are predatory now. Not individual men, but men.	/r/MensRights	21/07/20 06:02 PM
-4	Women shaking their ass at a preacher appears as funny and creative, which the guy seems completely against, how is this not sexual harassment? Men are predatory. We should work to make it so men aren't. Then we can equally celebrate men's sexuality.	/r/MensRights	21/07/20 05:30 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. The fact that this "framework" for "understanding violence" explicitly denies that men can be victimized by women shows pretty clearly what they were going for. It also makes it a flawed framework because it only looks at half the problem. Here is where we disagree, I'm going to hone in on this. The concept of patriarchal violence doesn't exclude the fact that men can be victims. The Duluth model does this, but the concept does not. P.V. as a concept, can be used to unearth the societal factors …	/r/MensRights	13/07/20 01:42 AM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. I'm reading more in NOW vs. MRA in family court. As unbiased as I can possibly be, it seems that NOW's objection to what MRAs are proposing is that the bill, as is, has the potential the empower abusers. The correct way to interpret this situation isn't fuck these feminists. A decent approach to this is what steps can we take to change society that men can be seen as competent care givers and what way can we enact laws that reflect this that don't potential empower abuses.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 11:42 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. I don't like using anecdotes on things like this, but in my experience subreddits like twoX have helped male victims of sexual assault a lot. A feminist forum dedicated to women gave open arms to men because there's a framework for sexual assault victims that can apply to men as well. This is also true for feminists groups on campus as well.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 11:32 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. I'm going to try and address you points to the best of my ability, I'm going to be consolidating things to try and keep everything neat. Patriarchal Violence I'm still wrapping my head around the idea that patriarchal violence somehow absolves women of agency. The concept of patriarchal violence is a tool that establishes ideas, language, and concepts to a framework that we can use to look at power structures that perpetuate violence. My understand of patriarchal violence means that men are ulti…	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 11:22 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. Oncefa2 and I are getting into a pretty good discussion. I don't know how to link the replies themselves so you might have to search through their profile. Feel free to hope in over there. I need to hit a milestone on my project and I'll have some time to post my response.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 10:46 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. Yeah arguing with you wasn't enriching, it was pallid and a chore. I found someone else in the thread posting academic sources. My attention is going there.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 09:47 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. I'll do a line-by-line in a bit that engages with this a little better, i need to finish some project work. In the mean time an you elaborate on a few of the topics you brought up? "I still take issue over the concept of patriarchal violence. It perpetuates the idea that women are always victims of their circumstances and can't ever make decisions (especially bad decisions) on their own." Can you elaborate a little more on how this functions? What elements of patriarchal violence, or the way it …	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 09:37 PM
0	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. This post reads off really angry and rude tbh.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 09:27 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. I'm going to try and keep this as structured as I possibly can. Framework I'm defending the academic definition of feminism, not social media If feminist theory can provide a meaningful framework for understanding this topic it's net good Valuing feminism must be done through the lens of majority of academic work, all theory's have people saying awful things Omission isn't an argument You misrepresent Bell Hooks You cherrypicked Bell Hooks while ignoring all of the work shes done on male victi…	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 08:07 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. See here's more to the story. I don't want to have to educate you on basic feminist theory and basic debate to have a discussion with you. You said a lot of things, but nothing about a warrant. A warrant is a claim about why something may be true. Nothing you are saying in any of your posts are contributing to a discussion because you don't know what the hell a warrant is or how an augment works. If you aren't giving me a reason why these things exist your just running your mouth lol.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 07:09 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. Reread your post and try to pull a single warrant form it lol.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 06:58 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. You don't know what I want you to say because you don't understand the other sides arguments. I asked you to explain the concept of male entitlement to debates and your response was she's too dumb to make the points? You're coming into this discussion with a critique of feminism without basic knowledge of fundamental arguments. No wonder you're so openly hostile to feminism when you're understanding of it so so artificial and contrived. What primary feminist literature have you read? My turn, ye…	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 06:45 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. The start of the topic was "A guy responsed "thanks for the harsh truth, what can I do to better myself?" and she freaked out. Saying stuff like "Im not your therapist" "youre not entitled to my emotional labor" etc." This was the original topic of discussion and why I brought up the idea that "no one owes you a debate." Women are not obligated to explain to men how they can get better. I'm not asking you to defend this, just explain the argument why women don't owe you an argument. Let me know …	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 06:21 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. I'll respond to yours when you respond to mine.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 06:11 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. I'm not asking you to do anything but explain what we are talking about here bud. Why is this so hard for you? Bell hooks, Teaching Community: A Pedagogy of Hope (2003) "The first act of violence that patriarchy demands of males is not violence toward women. Instead patriarchy demands of all males that they engage in acts of psychic self-mutilation, that they kill off the emotional parts of themselves. If an individual is not successful in emotionally crippling himself, he can count on patriarch…	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 05:52 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. You're making another argument at me. I'm open for a dialogue, but please let me know you have at least a basic understanding of the topic being discussed. Explain the argument to me. Do you best to try and explain to me, non-condescendingly, why a women doesn't need to owe you a logical debate on something. I will absolutely defend and debate the topic, but you need to let me know you understand it first. You wouldn't argue about white wines not knowing about them. Feminist issues often bring u…	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 05:05 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. Let's do a line-by-line? The start of the topic concerned this idea of being owed an argument. The response to this is that women do not owe you an argument, particularly if you come into it hostile, like OP. Several things come from it. First, this discussion isn't a trophy or a medal. Coming into with the mentality that you need to defeat the other side is toxic. We are talking about things like liberation; coming into the discussion with the intent to defeat the other shouldn't be the end goa…	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 04:34 PM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. See we are getting somewhere. You view this as something to be won, I view this as an exercise to understand and further peoples liberation. We are getting into the owed an argument thing. I say all men are trash, I don't defend it lol. I have a zoom meeting, lemme finish it and I'll give you the debate you crave so desperately.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 02:57 PM
0	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. Goalposts are clear. Neither you nor him have been able to articulate the other sides argument.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 02:47 PM
-1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. Try to keep with the line by line rebuttal. Eventually we may find a conversation if you stay organized. There's a difference between making an argument and arguing with you specifically. Why are you in specific owed an argument? The point may be to have a conversation but why do you, with your hostility, owed a spot at the table? I wasn't calling you condecending, I was asking you to explain the other sides argument. Which you still have failed to do. If you can not tell me the other sides argu…	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 08:41 AM
-1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. The argument is that you aren't owed a debate or response, yet keep demanding one. Sort through this idea first, then we can have a productive conversation. Why is someone supposed to both engage politely with you and inform you on a topic that you are clearly hostile to and taking steps to deliberately not understand the argument? Do you have enough knowledge on the subject to non condecendgingly explain the other sides argument why you are not entitled to a debate?	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 07:37 AM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. This post is awesome. It's 2 and I got a meeting in the morning and a project due. After that I'm free and I'll spend due diligence sorting through this. I'm looking forward to a productive conversation. The bell hooks reference was unexpected.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 07:27 AM
0	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. Well you're banned so	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 07:17 AM
-1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. Can you give examples of this? A second question being can you give examples of this outside social media? Is you're conception of feminism composed of things you read on reddit? Can you give academic examples of this? Are you using the loud, but minority voice of people claiming to be feminists to stereotype? What percentage of feminists claiming these things would be sufficient for you to say that feminism is this? If most don't would you be wrong?	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 06:40 AM
-4	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. Not everything is an argument and people don't owe you an argument. No one wanted to engage with you because you were dumb and rude, hence the ban. It's not that solutions can't be provided, it's that you aren't owed a response. You're entitled because you came in there expecting someone to argue with you. You're a ding dong because you don't understand the argument.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 06:30 AM
-4	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. Regardless of how true of an argument you're making (which it's not,) you acted like an entitled dingdong. Be nicer if you're trying to have a conversation.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 06:18 AM
-1	Feminists often make the argument that feminism is all about gender equality. What's the best counter argument to this? It is about equality and does talk about men's issues.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 06:00 AM
-1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. Only toxic masculinity.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 05:56 AM
1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. Can you elaborate?	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 05:55 AM
-1	According to r/MensLib the problem is men and masculinity. even in female on male violence. Yeah you deserved that ban.	/r/MensRights	11/07/20 05:53 AM