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There's always going to be a seedy underside to porn because a lot of material is made and hosted in foreign countries with lax laws. But the mainstream stuff (and its consumers) is much less violent across the board than it was 10 years ago. Pornhub releases annual statistics showing what types of porn its user base is consuming to back up this claim (unsurprisingly, the rougher stuff is more popular with women porn users) On the issue of consent, pretty much every PornHub actress working today…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 06:52 PM
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I did and the studies it linked. Apart from the most relevant of the studies being more than a decade old, it confuses correlation with causation. The studies say "associated with" not cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 06:25 PM
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Nothing. Like I said, there are valid reasons to not like it. But similar to the DARE drug campaign, the fear-mongering and misrepresentation robs the anti-porn crowd of a lot of credibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 06:19 PM
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I don't see any hard stats saying violent porn is more common than non-violent porn. I mean, there are valid reasons not to like porn, but if your man (real or hypothetical) just watched the non-violent stuff, you'd probably still have a problem with it. ...so it's not about the violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 04:57 PM
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what i meant is, women aren't made more violent and radicalized due to more internet usage. at least not at the rate men are Let's take violence out of the equation (because testosterone is probably the deciding factor on that). Radicalization? Hard disagree. Maybe in South Korea but every available metric points to Gen Z women being far more radical. It's just seen as ontologically good because said radicalization is happening in the leftward direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 12:02 AM
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This is funny because there was a thread yesterday where women were saying the exact opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 09:24 PM
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u/wtknight You tolerate this sort of behavior from your mods?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 09:06 PM
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“women in general” See, now that would've been acceptable. Are you autistic? Lol, nope. Want to maybe be a bit more civil and follow your own sub's rules here, janny?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 09:03 PM
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Oh I'm not strawmanning. This was your comment: They want us to act in a way we genuinely don’t feel. Who's "we"? Do you want to maybe add a qualifier to make it align more with "biological reality" of women not being a monolith?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 08:59 PM
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Cool... so the biological reality is that women occupy a wide range of sociosexual spectrum. Some need a bit of coaxing and convincing to be attracted, some definitely do not and do experience visceral attraction if the guy is hot enough. I just find it funny how despite this biological reality, you all sync up and be like "of course us women need a bit more to be attracted..." Well, it's not all of you. And if the mere mention of that offends you, then you probably have a lot invested in the co…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 08:50 PM
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Women aren't monoliths (except when they want to virtue signal demisexuality).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 07:30 PM
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Self defense case?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:17 PM
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his jawline is ridiculous Antegonial notch like his is so uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:11 PM
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Let me guess, prosecution is trying to say client was an accomplice?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:07 PM
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2 and 3 are abnormal above 30. Friends I can see every weekend? Yeah, getting adults together past the age of 25 to hang out is difficult with wedding planning, jobs, family stuff, and the rising cost of everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:02 PM
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Obviously.. why is this a surprise or even something that anyone is unhappy about? You've never heard a woman say they want a guy with "potential"? you know what this person is a fucking mess but maybe in a few years they'll be approaching normal Yeah, that's not what happens IRL. No one, not even men, acknowledges from the start the mess of a person they're dating is a mess. Physical attraction comes first, and then any shortcomings/flaws/red flags are rationalized under "having potential".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 04:51 AM
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Ever heard of dropping the handkerchief?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 09:20 PM
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I'm not accusing her of being malicious. Those who want to have their cake and eat it too usually don't acknowledge it to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:39 PM
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i know how to flirt or give signals. I’m not the best, but still, it’s enough. Bingo. But it's easier to blame 100% of the problem on young men's social ineptitude. I'm not saying you are, just in general there is an disproportionate fault assigned to men as the ones expected to pursue.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:05 PM
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If you wanted guys to show effort and intentionality, you'd stick to meeting men through IRL instead of apps. But you won't do that because apps are easier and you enjoy the wider pool of men to pick from. Tell me if I'm wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:01 PM
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You'd be easy to approach IRL but given your flair, I'm assuming you don't get out much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:58 PM
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But number 2 contradicts what the OP is saying which is also the central point of the post. So some women are getting approached and some women aren't. So what's the dependent variable if not extroversion (since you also admit you're shy like OP but still get approached)?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:19 PM
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Why would I have to dogwalk you through a leading question? Uh... because you obviously don't trust me to pose the question in such a way that is neutral, which is why I'm giving you that option. I don't even understand how you benefit by pretending women aren't blamed for sexual assault and rape. First of all, I never said women aren't (ever) blamed for sexual assault and rape, so please don't misrepresent me. Secondly my disagreement was with the "all men blame women for rape and SA" and using…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 07:19 PM
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Didn't I already say I'd be willing to ask the question outside this sub? Name the outside community, pose your question, and let me do the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 07:10 PM
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What are you going to do, post Nope, it was going to be more neutral, like "What do you think of the Brock Turner case?" with maybe a few links to articles to jog someone's memory. If you think I'm going to game the question because I'm a liar or bad-faith, I'll be happy to use a question of your own design, word for word.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 07:04 PM
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I mean, I can pose this question to men in the daily chat and quite easily disprove this. I'd also be willing to pose this same question to men in other communities if you want a larger sample size... The Brock Turner case is one of the most clear cut cases of rape in recent memory. To say the victim was at fault is a fringe opinion that I have never heard anyone say in a mainstream sub whenever the case is brought up. All of this should be good news to you, I don't get the resistance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 06:56 PM
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Odd to use the Brock Turner case because the general public is very much not on his side. It's even a meme to be like, "Oh Brock Turner, you mean Brock 'The Rapist' Turner," "Yes Brock Turner, The Rapist"...and this is years later. If you have to scour the interwebs to find an opinion blaming the victim, it isn't a widespread opinion. I always thought the controversy was more over how light he got off because his rich daddy paid for a good lawyer, but that then becomes a classism issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 06:45 PM
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Sounds like a mid-life crisis that went bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 05:41 AM
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The only guy I know in real life who consumes manosphere content is my mid-40s twice divorced coworker with two kids. He keeps trying to encourage me to go to the Philippines or Thailand and get a wife there. I know zoomer guys that struggle and you couldn't torture them for their opinions on women and dating. They just distract themselves with video games or become workaholics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 05:28 AM
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The day one reached out and honked a boob was the day I realized they were all full of shit and not unhappy at all, but exploiting female sympathy so they could make a move. "They" being the men who were venting to her. I don't see it as man bashing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 07:05 PM
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I think I'm with u/Sharp_Engineering379 on this one. People who vent to opposite-sex coworkers about their relationship problems are a combination of stupid, naive, and trashy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 06:15 PM
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Come on Maslow, where's the gentle encouragement on the other comments saying they'd treat their wives like partners and human beings? Doesn't fit your caricature of PPD men, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:29 AM
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We have more "female sexual choice" than ever before and I don't exactly hear women singing the praises of men that are on OLD apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:22 AM
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What age range did you set your filter to?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:12 AM
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For men: How can women compliment you WITHOUT seeming interested in a non-platonic way??? There's no 100% effective strategy since it depends almost entirely on the individual man and his level of delusion (or the opposite, rock bottom self-esteem). And unfortunately, you're more likely to remember the men who awkwardly assumed sexual interest than the ones who
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:02 AM
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I do acknowledge the sky is blue. What I don't acknowledge is your imagined widespread opinions of men on this sub being as provable as the sky being blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 05:04 PM
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For patients needing a full psychiatric workup, yes. Now take a seat in my leather chair...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 05:02 PM
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I've seen it happen with my own two eyes before.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:29 AM
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Assuming she didn't want commitment from the himbo, that would put her in the same spot as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:03 AM
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So what's the takeaway? Low expectations for men in relationships = being more acceptable with hookups/hookup culture. I mean, I guess it's a win for the guys willing to provide that experience for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:01 AM
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In the man's case the casual woman is placed lower than the marriageable woman. Wouldn't this also be the case with the genders flipped? If we assume women pedestalize commitment over sex, then from a woman's POV, the himbo she fucks casually is also "lower" than the less attractive marriage material guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 12:43 AM
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If you make a claim, I think the burden of proof should fall on the person making said claim. Unlike imagined caricatures of how you think the men on here behave, I can easily look up and see that the sky is blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 10:08 PM
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Then why'd you sleep with them? Because those glaring red flags/incompatibilities weren't immediately visible when we started up. Then why'd you sleep with them? Because we both wanted to. And if we take your answer and pretend it's coming out of a woman's mouth, are the men on this subreddit going to froth in anger? Hmm, these frothing, angry men... are they in the room with us right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 10:05 PM
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Okay any specific examples, not a link to this subreddit? If it's so common, shouldn't be too hard to find, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:24 PM
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I don't think the hypocrisy is necessarily inherent. Pretty much every one of the women I've had casual sex with were attractive enough to date long term as well. The reasons it didn't turn into that were: They didn't want to. Some of these communicated this by ghosting which yeah, sucks, but that's life. There were glaring red flags/incompatibilities. I wasn't seeking a relationship at that time of my life, which I made clear to communicate to them at the beginning. So I've "won" and lost in re…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:22 PM
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You got an example of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:03 PM
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Your example is too reductive to base a productive conversation on. The answer is both can be seen as a win but it depends on the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:00 PM
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And I swear I've seen women on this site complaining about feeling pressured to have sex early and guys bouncing if they don't get any on the first few dates. I guess a lot of men are adopting the "Chad treatment or I guess you don't want me" strategy. You reap what you sow.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 08:54 PM
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Saying the quiet part out loud, eh? I thought women not liking porn because it lessens pussy power leverage in a relationship was just a manosphere talking point but here we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:04 PM
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How about leading with what you define as above average?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:12 PM
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Why is it a no from you? Limited forms of eugenics are already here, with women being able to choose their partners and sperm banks providing donor information on height, income, IQ, education, sometimes even a face pic. As for unaliving... well it's going to happen with or without government assistance. I'd rather people be offing themselves in private, sterile pods than turning themselves into meat crayons on highways.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 12:04 AM
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every time they leave the house. Where does the study say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:29 PM
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Nearly every "creepy guy" approach story I've heard from women in real life has come from a man at least 50 years old or a guy who was obviously homeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:11 PM
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It should come as no surprise that the majority of "catcalling" sits in a grey zone of plausible deniability. The video in question turned into an absolute shit show because they decided to film in a relatively poor area of NYC, which had a large racial minority population (I think it was Harlem). Repeat experiments in other cities had widely variable results, with the "8 hours of walking alone as a woman in Auckland, NZ," eliciting only 1 guy to stop her and ask for directions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:07 PM
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Feigning interest is a greater risk to your safety than being upfront. Please don't give advice that could get more women hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:13 AM
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Men will find any excuse to shame us for prioritizing our safety over their access to sex I’ve quite literally never heard men say those things. You’re applying manosphere men or something to the real world
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:12 AM
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If online spaces are the cutoff what is irrelevant to the conversation, then I know very very few men (actually zero in my social circles going back to high school) who have accused women of leading them on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:03 AM
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No, but I didn't suggest it is. That's good, because I never suggested you suggested it is either :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:56 PM
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Believing your own worth is simply saying "this is what I expect in a relationship. These are my boundaries. This is what I want." The issue is people needing to put down or disparage other people in the process of stating their expectations/boundaries, which is not cool. A lot externalized blaming masquerading as internalized self-worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:32 PM
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If shitting on men or a demographic of men is used as a means to boost self-esteem, is it really self-esteem? I don't think there would be as much of an issue if women would put their money where their mouth is and start "de-centering" men in discussions related to their own self-esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:22 PM
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Toxic buzz phrases that get misapplied/misused but they get little to no pushback because they surface-level appear empowering and ego-boosting. Two good examples would be the phrases, "If he wanted to, he would," and "a man needs to be obsessed with me [from the start]". I'd also add misuse/misappropriation of therapy terms. You and your partner have a disagreement over how something happened? He's gaslighting you and you need to break up with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:09 PM
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My faith in women my age being able to accurately differentiate between push-pull games and just not wanting to invest massive amounts of time and energy at the beginining is uh... not very high.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:02 PM
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There's no frame to even see if it's covered in fat. Which is why it's important to lose weight and see what you're working with before even thinking of hard maxxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:54 PM
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Sir, I don't think you know that I'm not disagreeing with you (I think?). All I'm saying is that being honest and up front about rejection is both the safest and most moral option. So the "dilemma" of prioritizing safety at the cost of morality (or vice versa) does not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:47 PM
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Charlotte, NC has been very good to me the few times I've visited. As always, YMMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:40 PM
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Average TwoX Post
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:37 PM
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In many bird species, females are the ones with heterochromatic sex chromosomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:04 PM
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This is unironically the cause for why most women have "unrealistic" standards. Fear of rejection, but also cope because "I have high standards for men" = "I deserve a high caliber man" = "(because) I am a high caliber woman".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:02 PM
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It's not even a dilemma. The most moral thing to do is also the best option for a woman's safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:44 PM
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Yep, that's why I included those stats in the last paragraph. Baseline homicide rate for women is around 3 in 100,000. According to Figure 1 on this site, mortality rate for car accidents for all women, not just pregnant women, is about the same at just under 6 in 100,000.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:07 PM
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Actually, giving a man "false hope" probably increases your risk. You're giving a potentially mentally ill man a reason to keep pursuing you and are eventually going to have to reject him in the clearest sense possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:03 PM
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I wouldn't say far less likely, but here are the stats: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10193819/ For pregnant women and women who were recently pregnant (<1 year) the mortality rate for car crashes is 5.9 per 100,000. For homicides, it's 5.3 per 100,000. So homicides are #3 for non-obstetric causes of death (after drug poisoning and car accidents) and #4 when including obstetric causes of death. Overall, a woman is 6 times as likely to die from causes directly related to her pregna…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:42 PM
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Fact check: FALSE See Table 1 in this study The top causes of death for pregnant women are as follows: All pregnancy associated deaths at 33.6 in 100,000. It should come as no surprise the #1 risk to pregnant women is the health complications that come with being pregnant. Now, to get into non-pregnancy associated deaths: Drug poisoning at 12.2 in 100,000. Motor vehicle collisions at 5.9 in 100,000. And finally... Homicide at 5.3 in 100,000. Of note, the baseline homicide rate for women is aroun…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:11 PM
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Do we know for a fact that lying to/ghosting a man psychopathic enough to kill a woman for rejection is less likely to elicit a violent reaction than just outright rejection?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:06 PM
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In terms of how I see the word used, demisexuality only seems to exist as a virtue signal for how "non-superficial" they (usually women) are. It's prevalence in women is also becoming increasingly irrelevant, as less and less couples are meeting in ways that are conducive to demisexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 12:58 AM
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Demisexuality 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 08:41 PM
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Sorry, I'm at my weekly quota for being reminded I'm assumed to be a lazy piece of shit by existing as a man in a relationship. Can we schedule this conversation for next Thursday?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 07:29 PM
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expects a slave and for his partner to bear the burden How is this belief lumped in with "average"? If you think it's that widespread, touch grass.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:00 PM
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I agree, a blue checkmarked influencer is going to do well. On a more "normie" level, how marginal is the difference in status from 100, 500, 1000, and 2,000 followers?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 03:57 PM
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insta followers etc doesnt matter How much do IG followers actually matter then, in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 03:08 PM
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I'm hoping more and more men understand the intent of these posts so they don't take the bait and degrade themselves by groveling to women like OP to change their minds. They cannot be bought, bargained with, or made to see reason. They have incurable Negative Sentiment Override towards the entire male gender, and you do not want these women out there dating. Please, men, if you see posts like this in the future, do the following: Do not engage in revenge fantasies (i.e. lonely cat lady) Thank t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:38 AM
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"Trust but verify" not good enough for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 08:46 PM
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And to answer your question: I don't know. And neither do you. So don't assume.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 07:22 AM
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Standard B of course. I just think it's dumb to assume every person that's struggling must have Standard A.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 10:23 PM
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Some a lot Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 08:56 PM
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I used the word "many" as it is intentionally ambiguous. It could mean 10% or 99%. There's no certainty or specificity in what I said, and I never intended there to be. Stop trying to "gotcha" me and accuse me of implying something I didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 08:54 PM
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Based and enjoy-the-decline pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 08:03 PM
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How do you know they are? I don't know 100%, that's why I don't assume. Its like when men accuse women of being Chad Chasers every time they get screwed over. At least I'm consistent and say both assumptions are dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 07:17 PM
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Well, they would say “perhaps try something other than Harvard”. Assuming they are being unrealistic with their standards. Which many of them are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:31 PM
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Anyway, I'm downvoting Anyway, I don't care. weird pontification about my appearance Where exactly in my comment did I call you ugly? It doesn't seem like most men I've dated even bother to decide whether they like me or not, and honestly, that is more probable than either option you presented. If it smells like shit everywhere you go, check under your shoe. I guess I have to explicitly say that I'm not calling you ugly, just that if this is that common of an experience, something is wrong with …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 09:33 PM
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At times I found myself wondering, "Do YOU even like me?!" Could either be nerves from being extremely attracted to you or disinterest from not being attracted to you very much. Are men incapable of feeling a spark with someone they might not have found attractive in a photo? Like most women, there needs to be some baseline level of physical attraction. If he doesn't find you attractive at all in a photo, the odds aren't in your favor. I feel like I find myself kinda swooning over guys I would'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 08:07 PM
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The modern women actually were forced to be both men and women. Forced by who? Not needing a man to financially support you means being some degree of... career oriented. That's part of the deal feminism chose, so why include it as a pressure modern women have to go through? At times, ticking all these aspects don't even guarantee her that she will get a good mate. We all love to rag on male incels for thinking there exists some magic formula for having successful and fulfilling relationships wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 03:44 AM
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And why are you assuming it’s THEM who rejected/were too good for me? I turn men down all the time, say no to dates, and haven’t been interested in many of the men who’ve expressed interest in me. Also, from a recent post of yours: I don’t think any man has ever felt that way about me and don’t think one of them ever will. I’ve been nothing but disposable. Everyone abandons me, uses me for sex, or gets bored and goes on to date someone after me. Fucking LOL 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:17 PM
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Way to miss the entire point. It's not about "standards" or how unrealistic they are, it's about the complaining. If "I won't settle for less, and I'll be happy with being single if I don't find who I'm looking for" had been your position from the beginning, we wouldn't be having this discussion now would we? No, the issue is you complaining about being lonely despite (by your own admission) it being your fault for living a lifestyle that makes it hard to find Mr. Right. I’d rather be “alone” fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:48 PM
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Ok, so just like the neckbearded incel who wants a submissive tradcon virgin with DD boobs. He could probably have a girlfriend if he would widen his standards, he just refuses to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:45 PM
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And why are you assuming it’s THEM who rejected/were too good for me? Because you're complaining about being lonely. So you're either lying or stupid by complaining about the inevitable consequences of your own actions. You understand why people in your position should have zero sympathy extended to them, yes? I'll be charitable to you and say it's mainly because of the lifestyle you chose. But again it was and is your choice. So I extend as much sympathy to your loneliness as I do to the obese …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:00 PM
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16 men over 8 years and yet "complains" about being lonely. Something doesn't add up. Why would you be complaining unless you're settling for scraps with men out of your league who can't give you what you want? Seems like your problem is entirely self-imposed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:27 PM
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Lol, I love these responses. "B-b-but have you considered that most men on here are mad because they aren't getting any pussy!!!" Booo, get new material!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:13 PM
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Honestly this copy-pasted rhetoric is just giving me golden penis syndrome, especially when you combine it with the acknowledgment from women that the overwhelming majority of men aren't attractive. Like why would I settle for one women instead of just fucking around for as long as I can since attractive men, according to women, are so rare? Weren't you just complaining the other day about being pump and dumped by random men on vacations who didn't like you back? I'm sure those men feel the exac…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:50 PM
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I think more women are content with being single and accepting themselves than settling so they could be with someone. so self love and self acceptance movements help with that. Instead of "needing" a man to feel seen and beautiful and desired. This would be the "Motte" part of the motte-and-bailey that is current trends in dating. And we'll never get anywhere productive because most women on here will insist its just "we make our own money now sweetie 💅💅💅" "The guys you want only want a harem w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:45 PM
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I will say as someone who has employed fuckboy tactics in the past, women should not be trusting the spark. All I did was pretend to be interested, have a little playful banter, and that was usually enough for a makeout and occasional lay. The only "hard" part is finding out if she's physically attracted to you, because no amount of rizz is going to override that. The rest can be faked with enough charisma, humor, and social intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 08:14 PM
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what would push you to go out more There actually being more opportunities and people to go with. I'll extend what follows to beyond just dating: Everyone says "if you're lonely, you have no one to blame but yourself." This is mostly true. Mostly. But people still want to deny, deny, deny if you ever mention how difficult it can be to manage actually getting people together. I finally decided to actually do something and plan my own event, a joint birthday thing with me and this other guy. I hon…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 07:53 PM
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The number of men that have theocratic dystopian levels of misogyny (I assume you mean something like the Handmaid's Tale?) is so low, it's basically irrelevant. And if anyone's counter-argument to the above is a collection of online misogynistic quotes, I have a bridge to sell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:37 AM
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but the male lead isn't hot Personal taste I guess. He's definitely in the realm of conventionally attractive Yeah, a lot of religious/conservative/ sexually repressed women probably harbor fantasies of being dominated because that makes it much easier to enjoy sex, if she's being forced to participate. You might find this study interesting, because it actually says the opposite (The more sexually open, or less sexually repressed a woman is, the more likely she is to have a rape fantasy). Abstra…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 01:23 AM
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Because they're objectively bad lol. You're preaching to the converted. Reviewers don't think like mass audiences. A bad novel/film can still make a lot of money and have a lot of appeal. As to why 50 Shades of Grey appeals to so many women despite having horrific dialogue and weird/gross sexual themes? I'm not a woman myself but these would be my top guesses: The sheer spectacle of it. It's fun to make fun of awful dialogue. The plot involving a hot rich man seducing an average woman who ends u…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 12:59 AM
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They don't though? Uh, yeah they do. She's not saying most women like 50 Shades, she's saying most consumers of 50 Shades are women. 80% of novel consumers/buyers were women The Fifty Shades Freed film had a 75% female audience demo It's some of the most poorly written drivel in print and the movie portrayed grotesque abuse, not consensual kink. Women had high hopes because there is very little erotica or porn aimed at women, but it's been panned the world round. Rotten tomatoes has the score at…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 12:20 AM
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Why are women? Every porn consumption survey I've read has issues with the sampling itself or low sample size, and, while probably imperfectly conducted, they suggest women seek it out more. Large sample size via Twitter, but the author is herself a porn star, not a professional researcher: Cismen had the lowest average "violence score" at 0.97 when asked how much of the porn they consume is violent on a scale of 0 to 4 (0 being "none at all" and 4 being "all of it"). Transwomen had the highest …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 11:58 PM
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That was the "red flag" that stuck out to you? Not this?: she claims she prefers male company because they're "less drama"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:52 PM
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I've had a fair amount if work done, so trust me when I say this: plastic surgery will have very marginal effects in the majority of situations for men. The only scenarios where I think it will work are genioplasties, but very few men would even need it in the first place. Implants are expensive as fuck due to anesthesia, and you need a shit ton of fillers to fix a weak jaw or midface (seriously, a lot of people don't realize just how little filler there is in a $650-800 vial. It's only about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:59 AM
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What I see is that a lot of women are good looking and just a few men are. The answer is in part due to makeup. And I'm sorry, but we are nowhere near the point where even women would find a man wearing makeup attractive. Even if you take makeup out of the equation, we still have the issue of height. One of the best dressed, financially well off, and facially attractive men I know struggles. No cash prize for correctly guessing why that is. Ok, so now let's take height, and makeup, and style out…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:22 AM
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What are we basing this off of? Rates of singleness? Most nerdy women have the same issues nerdy men do, in that they are generally homebodies with high levels of social anxiety. How am I supposed to approach you if you would rather stay home and read books instead of going to the same bars, clubs, and parties I'm at?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:35 PM
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Any masculine development gained from mothers/sisters is miniscule compared to the development gained by observing girls your own age growing up. According to your theory, wouldn't men without mothers or sisters would be the most clueless or dysfunctional? Because I've met many men who grew up with single dads and without sisters who do just fine. Growing up, my mom was mostly absent and my sister was too much younger than me to tell me anything of use when it came to dating. My biggest saving g…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:59 PM
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I think it goes beyond sex. I think the perception is that they want to be valued and desired for simply existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:33 PM
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I disagree. There's more validation gained from obtaining something that's hard than easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:28 PM
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Mothers and sisters are too small a sample size and too close of a relationship to gain any useful information towards masculine development. "A face only a mother could love" applies to aesthetics but it also applies to harsh truths about the world. The "son of a single mom" to "nice guy/RP/Andrew Tate lover pipeline" is well established. Sisters... maybe but only if they're older, dating, and open to talking about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:43 PM
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I think feeling wanted is important but a lot of men seem to believe sex is the only way to feel wanted. No. We've been over this a lot on this sub. Inceldom is not about just sex. If it was, they would hire an escort.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:33 PM
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"Agree with me 100% or get called a pick-me."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:21 PM
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Wouldn't that be Chad penis envy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:14 PM
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Oh but women are expected to take all the accountability tho no? Who is saying this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:04 PM
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The only requirement I wouldn't hold my partner to is the last one. Seems unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:39 PM
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Most women don't meet those requirements either. But a higher % of women than men probably do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:29 PM
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"Two wrongs make a right"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 07:11 PM
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Gerbert Johnson is a one of the few blackpill youtubers who makes sense, and his take on what blackpill means to him can be summarized as follows: In post-structuralist discourse, there is this concept called "hyperreality". Hyperreality is a concept in post-structuralism that refers to the process of the evolution of notions of reality, leading to a cultural state of confusion between signs and symbols invented to stand in for reality, and direct perceptions of consensus reality. Hyperreality i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:30 PM
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I'm waiting with bated breath when Twitter feminists stop using incel as an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:07 PM
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You don't. If she's only giving one word answers, unmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:04 PM
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The American Sociological Association published a notice that "The authors have retracted the article titled 'In Sickness and in Health? Physical Illness as a Risk Factor for Marital Dissolution in Later Life' .... There was a major error in the coding in their dependent variable of marital status. The conclusions of that paper should be considered invalid."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:09 AM
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I'm sure the social sciences will take the theory seriously and investigate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:48 AM
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Non-sequitur
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:26 AM
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Which man are we talking about? I'm referring to the guy in this video. Did I miss something?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:12 AM
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I will say that women do bear a lot of risk in dating when it comes to physical safety. The problem is the exchange of TEA (time, energy, and attention) is not very equitable in the early courtship phase, and women's perfectly valid physical safety concerns are often used as a Trump card to minimize any request for more equitable TEA exchanges. I don't think most men are asking for 50/50 right out the gate. I'm fine with a little more pursuit, a little wooing, and a little more TEA on my end. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 12:48 AM
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> giving a shit about men giving a shit about men I wouldn't go as far to say "not giving a shit" but there is a large empathy gap and bias in the social sciences that influence public policy. Gamma bias has been theorized as a possible explanation: > Gamma bias operates within a matrix of four possible judgments about gender: doing good (celebration), doing harm (perpetration), receiving good (privilege) and receiving harm (victimhood). The theory predicts that within mainstream western culture…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 12:30 AM
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IMHO, opinions from friends and family are worth close to nothing; random comments from people on here that think they know you are worse than nothing. With many of the women on here, they have a caricature of what the "average PPD man" looks like, how he lives his life, and what his views on women are. It's just moral grandstanding/circlejerking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:44 PM
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Just curious, are you in an open relationship? Weren't you just talking about bringing a guy back to your place recently and getting almost naked with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:30 PM
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So basically the gender reversed equivalent assumption that women who struggle are only going after "Chad". At least I'm consistent and can say both display NPC levels of cognitive ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:28 PM
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because of conditions that are completely within their control to change like not chasing women half their age. A bit of a self tell that you're older and out of touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:14 PM
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Most of my friends are older Gen Zers, I'm a young millenial. I see enough average young couples to dispel the doomer hyperbole that it's hopeless for the average young guy. However... I do think the situation for the below average guy (in terms of looks, height, and sociability) is worse than ever before. One strike in any of those three and you're out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:10 PM
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I live in a big city and it's not all sunshine and rainbows. In order to start seeing any dividends to your sexual/romantic life, you need a friend group that is: Mixed gender Relatively extroverted Has enough disposable income to be able to go out to events Not overwhelmed with work or school Not settled down or trying to settle down Within 20 minutes of travel from you With added bonuses the larger and more attractive that group is. And that's ignoring any major disqualifiers like being ND, sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 11:03 PM
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It doesn't make them look bad, it actually makes them look more empathetic to out-groups than men. That's some god-tier mental gymnastics. They were asked which gender they prefer as a boss. Men OR women. The question posed is necessarily zero-sum, and cannot be "inclusive" to both genders. I just noticed it doesn't match up to observations of how men treat female bosses You mean your observations. If we're going to argue differing life experiences, we've hit a brick wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 10:00 PM
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Because it's the internet and you can always find people that try to shit on you no matter how you decide to broadcast your life. There was TikTok drama around a single man showcasing his life about a month ago. No gender-war bullshit, no "I'm single because modern women are trash", it wasn't even narrated. Just a regular dude working a 9-5, going home, playing with his dog, making his dinner, watching some TV, and going to bed. Yeah, he got shit on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:34 PM
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"I'm going to handwaive away a study that makes women look bad (not even that bad actually, just worse than men) by saying the men were just lying." What's it like to live with that level of cognitive dissonance?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:20 PM
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That same study showed that surveyed men had no preference one way or the other. Must be internalized misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:01 PM
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Remember that one study where more women preferred male bosses to female bosses? The sisterhood seems to break down the smaller the tribe is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:32 PM
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It makes sense, but I think for another big reason: the extremely high mortality rate for sexually mature early humans, both men and women. A woman could be with a man for a few years, have his kid, and then he dies suddenly due to exposure or being gored by a wooly mammoth. Or a man could get with a woman, only to have her die within a year giving birth to his first child. With how dangerous the environment early humans lived in, it makes sense to evolve the ability to form new pair bonds to ke…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:01 PM
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Cultures and religions impose rules on us, such as monogamy, which discourage the constant combat of feral humans. This was necessary for humans to transition from small nomadic tribes to civilizations with cities. The opposite is thought to have been the case. Cultures and civilizations arose due to farming, which caused class stratification and resource hoarding, which then gave rise to warfare (war brides) and polygamy. Culturally enforced monogamy from Judeo-Christian religions has been a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:53 PM
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Of course I don't want to attract them. Just like women don't want to attract Andrew Tate lovers. Doesn't mean they aren't out there dating and they aren't exactly forthcoming with that information.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:53 PM
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The "radical" idea that women are humans means that some women are petty, vengeful, and vindictive. These pages are often not moderated effectively. I've seen the one for my city and its just a dude's picture with the caption "Tea?", occasionally followed by comments that fall way outside the bounds of the serious stuff these pages were supposed to warn women about, like "icks" he gave off or how much money she thinks he has. Even if the pages are moderated with 100% effectiveness (as in, to onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 04:52 AM
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I didn't take a lot of befores and I'm not quite at the point of "after". I can send you my rhino before and after if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 12:55 AM
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How those groups are often used is an invasion of privacy. So is publicly talking about a woman's sexual past. If two wrongs make a right, well then I guess you agree with OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 12:24 AM
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Sorry, but I fail to see a causal connection between wife beating/male infidelity and a rising # of promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 12:10 AM
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For larger women, this usually doesn’t apply, because unless you're getting catfished, it's pretty apparent. Just don't swipe on them and move on with your life. Same with single moms who are usually also forthcoming with that information. Body counts are the exception, since most women are not going to tell you and find that question a turn off. Most aren't going to ask you, and most men just want a woman with around the same experience as them or less. If you're that concerned about it as a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 11:32 PM
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I’m getting intrusive thoughts that he’s dating below his league I hope you realize this isn't necessarily a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:40 PM
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Who is riling men up? Is it not other men? True, it is other men. But it's also other women. Not all women of course but a growing minority of them. I've never come across women judging men as harshly online as blackpill folks. I have. They are quite common on the "dark feminine" sides of social media. It's worse than blackpill rhetoric because while blackpill focuses primarily on men's sexual appeal, they go even further into material/success/status.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:30 PM
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Noted.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:56 PM
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It did for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:10 AM
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Past fling had fake breasts (silicone) when I first met her. I'm ashamed to admit, her surgeon did a fantastic job and except for the underboob scar, they looked amazing and 100% natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:05 AM
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Why aren’t more men going to get work done? A) It's expensive as fuck and the economy is in the shitter. I just got cheek and temple filler last week, 4 vials total, 2 temporary (Juvederm) & 2 permanent (Radiesse)). It was north of $2400. Not many men have that level of disposable income. B) The overwhelming majority of procedures result in changes a lot smaller than you'd think. No one noticed my fillers, my canthoplasty, my upper bleph, or my septo-rhino (except for the few people who I told o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:00 AM
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You guys are so clumsy with this stuff. What do you mean "you guys"? The "citation" you are claiming as authoritative is an unpublished conference paper. Where did I say it was authoritative? The fact that you just dump this block of text as a counterargument is ridiculous. Where did I say it was a counter-argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:13 AM
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Several design features appear to characterize backup mates (Duntley & Buss, 2007). First, both women and men reported having backup mates, with the average being approximately three. Second, both sexes reported that they would be upset if their backup mate became involved with someone else. Women more than men reported that they would be extremely upset if their backup entered a long- term romantic relationship with someone else or fell in love with someone else. Women more than men reported th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:25 AM
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I see you ignored this part of the article. It implies the issue isn’t necessarily the salary of the wife versus the husbands but the labour distribution at home. And I see you're implying I'm omitting that part as if I have an agenda or as if I would disagree with it. Try asking me first instead of coming out swinging. Fucking shadowboxers everywhere on this sub, I swear.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 01:13 AM
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Celebrities usually don't marry non-celebrities, that's why. The marriage pool for celebrities is actually somewhat small, which is in stark contrast to the pool of people celebrities have casual sex with in between LTRs. Kim K (how many rappers and basketball players has she dated now?) and Cardi B (actual former stripper) are outliers, but their status in their industries more than makes up for their sexual pasts. While it is true that the "average man" doesn't care all that much about a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 12:28 AM
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The double edged sword to this post (which I largely agree with btw) is that mid women (holistically speaking, as in not just looks but personality and career as well) who are demanding a guy that makes $250k+/year have a near zero chance of getting said guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 12:16 AM
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The marriage is 50% more likely to end in divorce if the woman is the primary breadwinner. https://www.chicagobooth.edu/media-relations-and-communications/press-releases/when-women-earn-more-than-their-husbands
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 12:10 AM
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Idk why every response is hostile and assuming you're delusional. You seem fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:22 AM
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Declared high standards on social media are a cope for low self esteem anyway. You can effectively say you're hot shit without directly saying you're hot shit by saying you deserve a man that's hot shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:20 AM
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Because we all know how many women are just glowing about the abundance of high value men on online dating apps, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 11:13 PM
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Depends on how demisexual she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 11:10 PM
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But what does it matter if the women is being realistic to a man, or anyone? Because delusion and not taking accountability often go hand in hand. Both stem from a mixture of lack of introspection and narcissistic egoism. If you fail to achieve your delusions, the last person you are going to blame is yourself. You have to find some "boogeyman" or scape goat to blame your failure on, and social media gives you a loudspeaker to air all your grievances. And this applies to both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 04:50 PM
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JFC, what a disgusting, vile defense of OC sister's behavior. I guess dredging up old shit to fling at partners is fair game if you so much as think the other person is coming at you unfairly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:59 AM
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This might be controversial but I think having a nerdy passive dad who is present is worse for a males sex/dating life than having no dad at all. But then again males with “Ned Flanders” dads rarely want to participate in causal sex at all so maybe it doesn’t really matter. You just described my dad. And both my older brother and I had such a visceral reaction to his loser qualities we both ended up as opposites to him. Not going "full RedPill," but disregarding any and all advice from him and f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 12:07 AM
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It's mostly a failure to adapt to cultural changes. Men didn't need to be all that handsome or interesting to be "successful" 10-20 years ago. That's probably why "it all worked out" for you. I was born in 95. When I was in the military, I got to know a guy that did pretty well for himself. He was what RPers would call a natural. A little bit about his background: his father, who he had a cordial relationship with, was on his third wife after cheating on both his past wives, his first being my f…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 11:48 PM
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And exhausting your friend group to get a free meal from each guy is going to ruin your reputation. You think ghosting a girl within his friend group after sex isn't going to ruin his reputation? There is also oftentimes a deep level of deception going on: it’s a well known fact that men pretend to want a serious relationship or marriage when they really just want sex. No there isn't. Being used for sex doesn't happen that often, just like men being used for free meals doesn't happen that often.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 09:28 PM
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We complain less in general. Even more so now with incel shaming, accusations of "entitlement", and the safety privileges that will always get thrown in our face to minimize or trivialize our struggles and concerns. My best friend's girlfriend wonders why so many of the guys in our friend group's are a black box when it comes to dating. I guess she thinks she knows us well enough that we'll open up to her about that shit. Nope. I didn't have the heart to tell her, just shrugged my shoulders and …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 09:12 PM
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The minority doesn't even have to be that big for a majority of women to experience it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 09:01 PM
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Allegations aside (since they are yet to be proven in a Romanian court), here he is bragging about scamming men out of money with his webcam business Listen to the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:33 AM
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RP kinda sorta evolved out of PUA, which was its own thing, but both still co-existed and overlapped a lot until somewhat recently. I think the first mention of an online presence of RP dates back to the late 00s, but it stayed mostly tame and constant until the mid to late 2010s. With regards to the original sub, 2017 was the year I started noticing a major tone shift in the community. They were starting to get more media attention and banned off of mainstream platforms. Yes, it was misogynisti…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:24 AM
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Yep. Friend of mine in high school got on it. It worked for him but I believe they stop administering it once you get within the median range. I think he stopped taking it when he got up to 5'8". Was 5'4" before.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:05 AM
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Models by Mark Manson is the most popular. Also I've read The Game by Neil Strauss. Not a self-help book or RP affiliated, more an autobiography about how he got into the pickup community in the mid 00s, and how it devolved into a bunch of bickering primmadonnas.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:02 AM
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HGH therapy is cheaper anyway, and covered by a lot of family insurance plans. I'll opt for that if I have a short son.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 01:17 AM
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A lot of old school RP advice does work, but tbf >80% was pretty boilerplate advice you could find in most non-RP self-help dating books for men: don't be too desperate, don't make women the center of your life, go into a date not giving a fuck about whether or not you get laid, stuff like that. Tate is a grifter (and probably a pimp) like most new school hedonistic RPers are.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 01:15 AM
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If you started a gofundme, I'd donate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:57 PM
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You are only able to be with cute and slightly above average women. 6 to 7’s only. You say this as if it's a bad thing lol. Who cares if I can't find a 9 or 10? I'll take the 6 or 7 that is genuinely into me over the high maintenance 9s or 10s. Even if I do feel like I'm dating below my looksmatch, she'll probably know that as well and put more effort in. Scenario #2 all the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:56 PM
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Thanks to modern medicine, you do. But it is expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:47 PM
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it’s not caused by unattractive men. It’s caused by a physiological and psychological response of fear of penetration. Why couldn't it be if it is a psychological response?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:12 PM
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Psychopathy, which unlike sociopathy is genetic, is estimated to be present in a little less than 1% of men Lifetime prevalence of narcissism is estimated to be about 6.2% of the general population I doubt that socially adept men suffer narcissism at the same rate as sanctimonious religious nutters I never even mentioned religion, so I have no idea where you're going with this. But narcissists can be extremely socially adept.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 07:49 PM
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Men who don’t do those things are respected and appreciated. Are we? I hear all the time that not doing "those things" are just basic human decency and we "don't deserve a parade or special praise" for not SAing a woman (which I agree with). At best not doing those things is a moral neutral. How do you expect to counterbalance a "neutral" against a "bad" and expect anything other than a net bad perception overall? Especially with a baseline percentage of the male population displaying pathologic…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:00 PM
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Modern rad-feminism is indirect eugenics that affects women as well. The caveat being that it makes women "opting out" uniquely feel empowered as a cope for low intelligence and poor decision making. Give it like 10 generations and all the "marriage is a prison for women,"/female anti-natalists will have died out. It's a much more gender equitable form of eugenics than the "war brides" of old times. I don't see any of this as a bad thing in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:47 PM
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You can't "socialize" your way out of lookism. You'll just end up continually slamming your head against the brick wall that is evolution and biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 12:55 AM
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The term wasn't coined by the manosphere
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 12:48 AM
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It's just another word for mate switching. Both genders do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 10:42 PM
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Branch swinging is real, what do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:19 PM
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No, it's because generally speaking, you have more options. More options = more power. And with more power... I mean, we've all seen the Sam Raimi Spiderman movie. You can finish the quote.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 05:12 PM
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For any man triggered over this comment, remember the biggest privilege you have over women is time. Time can be an equitable trade for your attention and energy, so long as it's not too unbalanced. You still have the ability to promise long term commitment and children until she turns 35 or gets frustrated, then bounce for any reason, making her have to start the mating process all over again. Use that power and leverage according to your own discretion and morals.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:14 PM
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Single moms get too much hate. There, I said it. I mean I would never date one at my age, but I don't feel the need to call them degenerates when I know nothing about their situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:41 PM
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I think like >80% of ocean plastic waste comes from Ecuador, China, and Indonesia.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:39 PM
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It's mainly about cost at this point. Nuclear plants cost in excess of $10 billion to build, and that's for the PWR, uranium fuel designs, the same type we've been using since the 50s. For an untested design, like molten salt thorium, that's going to be even more expensive. Good luck convincing investors to hork up billions for an untested design when there is a high probability of being stuck in NRC regulatory purgatory for more than 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:37 PM
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I've always wondered if having better core strength makes pregnancy labor easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:08 PM
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The rest is just fluff to me but yeah, i guess people didn't know some people are shitty. Big news lol. It's not just shitty people being shitty, it's people being shitty and thinking they still have the moral high ground because they are "punching up." The oppressor-oppressed dichotomy provides the righteous indignation to destroy with good conscience. That's what i believe and that's what history shows. Then you should read more history. Particularly the Rwandan Genocide, Stalin's De-Kulakizat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:07 AM
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No, it's because kids are free labor in poor countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:05 PM
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So it's not relevant to the above post. OP is discussing macro effects, not micro. women care more about what they are doing If you're arguing that women have more conformal ways of behaving, then yes, I agree. If this is some sort of "own" against men, it's not the own you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 10:33 PM
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Women are always doubting if what they want or do is reasonable or ok. That’s why relationship and relationship-related advice is overwhelmingly marketed to and consumed/solicited by women. Apples and oranges comparison. A singular man a woman is in a relationship with is not the same as "men" or [assumed patriarchal] society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 09:51 PM
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No it wouldn't. Just look at how flippantly the word "entitled" is thrown around, especially here, without any evidence. Reminds me of an excerpt from this article. It was wrong of me to say I hate poor minorities. I meant I hate Poor Minorities! Poor Minorities is a category I made up that includes only poor minorities who complain about poverty or racism. No, wait! I can be even more charitable! A poor minority is only a Poor Minority if their compaints about poverty and racism come from a sen…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 08:57 PM
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Men do what they wanna do, and resent anyone telling them they should act differently Not exclusive to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 08:35 PM
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Are they that much more complex? Yes. That's why he said sex organs and sexuality. And sexuality starts in the brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:57 PM
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Men have historically relied on women to “keep each other in check” while men have their cake and eat it, too. I'm not going to make the claim that in ye Olde Patriarchy days, female sexuality was less stigmatized than male sexuality (because that's obviously not true), but I take issue with the claim that male sexuality not being stigmatized at all. It's a historical falsehood. Were there brothels? Yes, but you had to go to very seedy areas of town and they were usually tucked away out of sight…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:58 PM
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Men say the exact opposite here. They claim they work out for sexual validation, go to work in order to impress women, play sports in order to attract women. Uh... because it's true. I don't see why it's a bad thing though, unless it's the only reason you do all these things. Wanting to attract mates is a completely natural desire, and often that requires adjusting your behavior, looks, and lifestyle to what the opposite gender finds attractive. So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:25 PM
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Even when the sexual revolution first kicked off in the 60s, it was a hotly debated topic in feminist circles. Also, the sexual revolution wasn't a direct result of second wave feminism. It was the "free love" hippie culture + birth control pill that was happening around the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:16 PM
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That’s the thing: Greek life is social life. Your class privilege is showing. Not everyone is in college, not everyone comes from a wealthy enough family to pay the fraternity dues. My best friend's family was rich enough to send him to a party school and willing to pay fraternity dues, and the social connections he made in college are insane. They are still paying dividends 4 years out from the time he graduated, so I'm well aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:38 PM
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Try living in a HCOL area where the majority of your peers are mid-20s. I have had 2, maybe 3 mixed gender friend groups and have been to maybe 5 house parties over the past 2 years. Everyone is too busy with post-grad or their jobs/multiple side-gigs just to make ends meet. We'll try to get newcomers in, then they'll drop off the face of the earth for 4 to 6 months at a time. Single women will return after long absences to group outings with a hot guy they met online, only to return in the next…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:31 PM
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Nowadays, you need a much wider social net to have the same # of chances to organically meet women as you did 20 years ago. Like preferably more than 4 different mixed gender circles you can jump in and out of. It costs more money to go out, so younger people need more recovery time, or are just too tired from their jobs and multiple side gigs they need just to cover basic living expenses. I have 2 friend groups, so I have a lot to be thankful for, but large-ish events are very few and far betwe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:04 PM
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Do you have a hobby/activity you like doing that you knew existed before you first tried it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 12:18 AM
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If you're a virgin, you have no idea how high or low your sex drive really is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:45 PM
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Have they solved the "hair growing on the inside" problem yet? Heard it's uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:41 PM
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Y'all lose your mind if we have hair anywhere other than our head. Never cared much about body hair except for at least trimming (not shaving) armpit, ass, and pubic hair. And I take care of these same areas myself. If your flat chested: beast with two backs Don't care if you're A cup or DDD. Fake, bimbo sized breasts are unattractive for obvious reasons. If she wanted a boob job to feel more confident/attractive, I wouldn't care. Just not paying for it. Tits too big: she gives herself a black e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:14 PM
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Like yeah sure, you will tolerate deviance from the beauty standard but most guys want the beauty standard. I don't see a problem here. Everyone has probably had a fantasy of what their "perfect" partner will look like and know they won't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:01 PM
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I said it's becoming more common. Non-virgins over 25 still outnumber the virgins. Why is it so hard for you to you believe? You know that chart showing rates of male sexlessness? If you look closely, there's a second line, and it ain't trending down. Less alcohol consumption, loss of third places to meet people. These social changes affect women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 11:10 PM
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Generally true, but not always. Vet appropriately, because their are virgin hunters who get off (pun intended) on taking a woman's virginity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:59 PM
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It's more common, actually. You just won't see them at bars, clubs, or on FnF podcasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:54 PM
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Sleep with at least once in their lifetime? I'd say the top 40% percent of men or higher (100% if you include SWers). Date long term at least once in their lifetime? Top 20%. Date consistently throughout their prime years? Top 5%. Have you ever known someone who dated women like this? Not consistently, no. I've known a fair amount of Chads and most of them rarely dated or slept with 9s or 10s. Probably just due to the rarity and the perception of being high maintenance. They slept around a lot w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:40 PM
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That would be the more accurate take. But nuance unfortunately means you can't morally grandstand.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:26 PM
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Sort of, but not as generalized. More like, "any man that has any complaint must be entitled to women's bodies or take away their autonomy." Or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:50 PM
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the ones advocating for free sex AND the ones hoping for a greater chance and ability to get a relationship so they won't be alone. The latter is grouped into the former. Or assumed to be the former until proven innocent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:28 PM
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I actually have a high opinion of Destiny. I don't think he would write ir do this, even with him being in an open relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:04 PM
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I suppose this is retaliation for the pool party post (I didn't write it, someone else did). It will get removed by the mods sooner or later.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:22 PM
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The more attractive a guy is, the more likely he is going to "box" women based on personality/lifestyle traits. So of course men treat women in different categories differently, but the determining factors aren't necessarily attractiveness. I've known attractive men who have downgraded on the attractiveness aspect when switching from casual to serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 07:37 AM
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If the attraction isn’t there, and yet sex is an extremely important component of romantic relationships, then why try to force the attraction? Attraction isn't binary (on or off) and no one likes to preach about the non-binary nature of attraction more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 06:56 AM
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Constantly invite me to stuff, and introduce you to other girls as well, which makes the whole dating things like 10x easier These benefits only exist if they're pretty extroverted. Attractive (least important), unpartnered, and extroverted (most important) is the holy trifecta of social utility when it comes to platonic female friendships, but it's hard to find a woman with all three. Also, you have to really prove you want platonic and are not just hitting on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 06:21 AM
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Let's call a spade a spade: women also prefer friendships with other women. You think we don't notice how women choose to spend their free time? Girls' night outs? Ladies only brunches? We know you want time to yourselves where you can openly discuss certain topics without having a man around to "ruin the vibe". Not saying it's bad btw, since men do the same. To a woman, a male platonic friend will never be on equal footing to a female platonic friend (unless he's gay).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:44 PM
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So a guy deceptively wanting to be your friend just to sleep with you is as bad as a guy authentically wanting to be your friend, and then catching feelings? Do you have mind reading powers?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:16 PM
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First of all, this is a debate sub. So if you can't handle the disagreements and the crazies, go back to your hug box. Secondly, every pill-related sub where men could air their grievances, however stupid they may be, has been banned. The same cannot be said for subs that cater to women's grievances. You can blame the site admins for not understanding how to quarantine information. And thirdly, this sub suffers from a similar effect to Cunningham's Law, in that, instead of wrong answers, it's al…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:49 PM
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It’s always good to know what’s going on everywhere for a complete picture Yep, I'm sure every radical movement from Scientology to Redpill has promised its followers a more "complete picture" of the world. Maybe take a media literacy class and go outside?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:11 PM
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I don’t see any reason why we have to be better than the worst of men FTFY. That's what you mean and you don't even realize it. Take the worst group of men, extrapolate their behavior to "all men", then behave as shitty as you want because "all men" are bad. This is a perfect example of how IdPol rots brains, for anyone else reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 07:37 PM
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What litmus test do you use to tell if a man was JUST trying to get in your pants?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 06:51 PM
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Why is any of that bad for women? Why is it bad for men when people like Andrew Tate have a platform to spew their bullshit? Or FreshNFit? Or any other content creator who preaches "women are trash"? They're two sides of the same coin. If men can complain, why shouldn’t we? It's not an issue of "can", it's an issue of "should". You don't think I would also be in favor of "women are trash" content dying too?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:25 PM
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And who is to decide what’s realistic? Men — so what the issue ? I have been giving boilerplate, gender-neutral dating advice for the past five years. Stuff like: Stop chasing the elusive "spark". It's a fleeting feeling and can be easily faked. Love shouldn't always feel easy. It requires work and intentionality for both parties. Stop idealizing what your future partner looks like or how he/she makes you feel. If you have experienced repeated instances of misbehavior in relationships, then you …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:38 PM
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If women are wrong, they will settle or just be alone. No, they won't "just" do those things. For the ones that will end up alone, they'll complain to anyone who will listen (on social media, usually) on their way out about what's "wrong with men" because they were aiming too high. A critical mass of women complaining about "all men" erodes trust between genders. Trust is becoming a scarce resource and is necessary for a functional dating environment. For the ones that will "settle", it will lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:15 PM
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It must've been 3 years since we last spoke, and at the time he told me it was going through human trials in Australia under guidelines the FDA would approve. I didn't ask about timelines but he did say it would revolutionize contraception. No idea how those Australia trials went but it's being promoted here in the US as "Plan A". Set to be available to the public in 2025 but I'm not getting my hopes up with how the FDA is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:54 PM
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Hormonal birth control for men just isn't possible. The only hormone that controls spermatogenesis post-puberty is Testosterone, and it's orders of magnitude higher concentrations in our blood than any of the "female" (in quotes because I know men have estrogen too) sex hormones. Testosterone is measured in the nanograms/dL; Estrogen in the picograms/dL. In fact even women have higher Testosterone levels in their own body than they do Estrogen. You'd have to reduce Testosterone levels to prepube…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:12 PM
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I spoke to the urologist that personally worked on it in the US. His name is Dr. Turek and he practices in SoCal. Had to give presentations to the FDA and everything. He said the biggest bottleneck was finding enough volunteers for the human trials. Also, the RISUG that came out of India 4 decades ago is a different chemical polymer compound than the one they're working on today, so they had to pretty much start over. FDA refused to accept any trial data from India because it wasn't up to their …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:03 PM
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What Peterson says mostly makes sense, if, and only if, a woman wants children someday. If a woman does not want children, she is probably (maybe subconsciously) going to value things like income and competency, both long term indicators of reproductive success, less. The reciprocal of this is valuing short term indicators of reproductive success (looks), more. Anti-natalist women are not a rarity anymore. In fact, they are quite common, especially the more "politically left" a dating environmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:00 PM
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No, they shouldn't consider sex and relationships with men they aren't attracted to. If a woman is only attracted to the types of men that won't commit to her, she should just give up. The only issue I have is their constant whining and blaming of "all men" because they decided to aim too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 05:34 PM
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It is true. Different campuses have different male to female student ratios. At Liberal Arts schools where the gender ratio exceeds 60:40 women to men, hookup culture is rampant. At engineering/STEM focused schools where the gender ratio is 40:60 women to men, monogamous relationships are common. At schools where it's more 50/50, hookup culture exists in freshmen year, but monogamous relationships are common during junior and senior year. Very few college aged women are on dating apps because th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 05:28 PM
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No, I couldn't give up when there are just so many good-faith actors that don't lie, don't lead people on, know exactly what they want, and never change their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:41 PM
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who likes you back Wow! So easy and simple! I'm sure I won't have to lose any money, reputation, time, or emotional energy to figure this out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 05:31 PM
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I don't think he was giving you mixed signals though, he was just treading cautiously and biding his time. You just interpreted his words and actions as mixed signals. It's more true for women because we're socialized to believe that when men like us, they try hard or at least are clear about it. Yeah, shred this piece of advice, burn it, and throw it out the window. It's antiquated as hell in modern contexts. You said you have a lot of power in this group. You probably had (have?) the power to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:16 AM
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Meeting random strangers wasn't common in the past, it's probably more common given online dating than ever in the past. Quantity vs quality How do you convince women to want a man again and on a timeline men find acceptable? Fortunately only a minority of women are "done with men". As for convincing them (hold on, let me adopt a Just World Fallacy for the sake of this argument)? You don't. You write them off as a total loss like you did with the men in your first point. They're equally as unabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:46 PM
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I think the fact that it feels like he chose her over me is what makes his "value" lower to me. I sympathize with him. Communicating attraction within a social circle nowadays is just seen as extremely risky as a guy (panopticon effect from social media/phones, loss of narrative control, well-poisoning). My take is he was probably trying to communicate to you in extremely subtle and slow ways (as a form of risk mitigation/plausible deniability), which probably came off as mixed signals to you. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:16 PM
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If he were to breakup with her at some point in the future, would you still be interested? Or does the fact he got with that girl lower his value in your eyes?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:25 PM
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I also see attractive men with women way below their league Finally, someone else has noticed it. I'm not negatively judging the relationship, maybe he sees something in her and they make each other happy (whatever, good for them). Obviously, I still see a lot of couples where the woman is better looking, but yeah, I've also noticed a massive increase in looks mismatched couples where the guy is more attractive. Idk why it is, but the most likely explanation is desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:06 PM
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red pill believes that money can compensate for a lack of physical attraction. The term "BetaBux" was coined for a reason. Do you think RP men call other men BB as a term of endearment? Of course not, we both know it's a pejorative. Having lots of money will technically "get you women" but nowhere does it say this will make women more physically attracted to you. Relying solely on money to get women is a horrible strategy that will only attract gold-diggers, and most RP and non-RP men would agre…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:42 AM
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You said willing, not want. Ok, and? Are you willing to eat a free meal at a five star restaurant? If you answer yes, does that mean you wouldn't want a free meal at a five star restaurant? Do you think most 25-year-old single and looking guys want, or are willing? Want with the right woman, but would settle for casual if they couldn't find her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:26 AM
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I’ve had women that will say a particular tall guy was bad in bed, so it was a one and done. I've also seen this. They might get thrown some NSA sex every once in a while more than an average dude, but the only tall guys I've known to consistently slay had a very above average face and physique to go with it. The average tall guy is not drowning in pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:20 AM
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Because sex is a major component in wanting a relationship, but it's not mutually exclusive to "the other things couples do together that is awesome." There's "willing to get into a relationship" because they do actually want a relationship (+ the sex that comes with it), and then there's "willing to get into a relationship" because they only want the steady supply of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 11:56 PM
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... of course, I would be remiss in not mentioning that I haven't used OLD in a long time and I haven't lived in the US for many years. Yeah, frontload this information so I can mentally check out before reading the rest of your comment. Also, 5'8" is not short. It's slightly below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:58 PM
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And what if I told you that the inherent power dynamics of modern dating are so lopsided currently that there are a sufficient amount of single, taller men willing to be in relationships? My point is, dating for men doesn't become this all-you-can-fuck-and-manipulate buffet if you're above 6'. Like, I'm sure a lot of these tall men get down on their knees everyday and thank God they aren't short (I know I do, and I'm only 5'11"), because dating as a short man is playing on "nightmare" level diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 09:18 PM
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I'm a bit scared for you if you think the opposite statement of "all you need to get women is have education and be employed" is "all you need to get women is to be uneducated and unemployed" instead of, "having an education and being employed is not enough to get women" Can you show me where the red pill (i.e. not some random guy you cherry-picked but a thought leader, anywhere in their literature/sidebar) advocates that all you need to do is be educated and employed? I'll give you a hint: abso…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:57 PM
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That's one of the major tenets of red pill. No, it isn't; it is actually the opposite. And it pains me to see people talk so confidently about a topic they know so little about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:16 PM
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Actually true. Like, do any of you guys think women care if they are filtering 100,000 options down to 10,000? Even with height filters, it's still an endless supply of options. You can't project men's online dating struggles onto women. Women are not "suffering" from not getting enough matches; they're in fact dealing with the opposite problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:00 PM
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they’re all No, not "us all". This is the guy that kicked off the "Margot Robbie is mid" fight on Twitter. The council of men does not claim him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:24 PM
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i’m working on it. Mhmm, that's what they usually say. To be clear, I don't believe in nor do I entertain revenge fantasies. Just that your "success" will probably be more dependent on enough time passing + looks than it will be on actually putting yourself out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:14 AM
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Most common ones are: Astronomically high inhibitions, usually stemming from extreme shyness or "anxiety". They live like hermits, never putting themselves out there, and then wonder why they aren't being approached or are chronically single. Recently out of a relationship. Looking to heal from "trauma"/on a journey of self-discovery. A man would just get in the way. They've been chewed up and spat out by the apps and are "done with men". Radfems Too busy with work and/or school.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:53 AM
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The majority of women aren't on dating apps because the majority of women are in relationships (and yes, I know partnered men make up a disproportionate # of male users). This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. For young, single women, it's about 50/50 IME. And the 50% of women who aren't on them aren't viable prospects for a variety of other disappointing reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:06 AM
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I don't think you could ever get women to fully quit online dating. The sheer number of options, the attention/validation, it's just taps into a desire that you can find a more "perfect" partner than would be currently available in your current social circle. OLD is the dating equivalent of slot machines as an investment strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:40 AM
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I also said looks, don't forget that. Social intelligence is another big one but doesn't apply to online settings. If your "myriad of other ways" to be attractive includes qualities that can only be determined after a relationship has been established, they only matter insofar as maintaining and enriching the current relationship. Which, as I said before, are important, but mean jack shit if a guy is struggling to attract women in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:55 PM
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I didn't say it was cheating; still gives me the ick. Doesn't matter if it's 10 dates in or one date in. Me taking you out on dates while you're getting your back blown out by some other dude may not technically be cheating if the exclusivity talk hasn't been had, it's still icky. And I would ghost with extreme prejudice if I found that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:19 PM
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Better in terms of "relationship quality," yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:14 PM
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Not necessarily. Dating a person way outside your league has drawbacks, most important of which is competition and mate poaching. Really attractive women are, generally speaking, more difficult to date for a variety of reasons. Have you ever heard the phrase, "she looks expensive"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:08 PM
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I didn't say they were "demanding" any of those things. Just that those things counteract the assumed risks getting into a relationship with a man is assumed to have. The higher the upfront benefits, the more likely you are to be in the net positive when being assessed as a potential partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:03 PM
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No one can answer those questions but the woman, but it's a moot point in my book. It's not about desire, but indecisiveness and having one foot in the casual scene and the other in the serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:56 PM
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It's more common than you'd think with women. Since the prevailing narrative is "most men suck in bed" having a FWB/Fuckbuddy that knows how to get you off is hard to cut off because what if things with the serious potential guy fall through?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:54 PM
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What this "preserving of peace" practically looks like is just a higher "down payment" on the part of men in the form of looks, lifestyle/wealth, and status. Because all relationships with men are seen as inherent risks, you have to offer more "upfront benefits" to mitigate the downside risks. Emotional intelligence and willingness to perform domestic duties, while important, are NOT upfront benefits in that they can only be accurately discerned well into a relationship. You can argue all day ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:02 PM
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Not really. I've seen tons of first hand experiences of 9s and 10s saying they get approached less than their less attractive (but still overall attractive) friends. Men very much take into account attainability when it comes to trying and approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:44 PM
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waiting to have sex even if you’ve had hookups is a pretty good vetting strategy It's waiting to have sex with a particular guy while you are currently having hookups that's an issue for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 01:02 PM
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Femcels and male incels share one thing in common: Negative Sentiment Override towards the opposite gender. The same entitlement exists in femcels you see in incels, it just looks different. Don't feel bad for them. And as with incels, there's a difference between a person who is struggling and trying their best, versus "men/women are all trash".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 06:00 PM
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Nobody wants a commitment anymore and that's my problem with dating. The only women I've heard say this have inadequate mixed gender social circles and/or refuse to get off the apps. Similar to the men who complain about not being able to find a girlfriend, go figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:56 PM
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So... swipe right less?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:27 AM
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No, just ATM machines willing to raise another man's child. You vill eat ze bugs. You vill live in ze pods. You vill raze anozer man's fuck tropheez. You vill own nozing and be happy. Klaus Schwab, probably
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:20 AM
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Yes, so what are the implications for modern societies? Modern societies will become more conservative over time. Israel would be a good case study because the influx of liberal Jews has flat-lined, and the Haredi birthrate is 6 or 7 children per woman. 20 years ago the Israeli far-right had one or two seats in the entire Knesset. Now they have (I think) 15/120. And that's not even getting into the other right-wing parties made up of less fanatical "conservative jews" that Haredis form majority …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:08 AM
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I don't like the term "harem", but there is a level of willful ignorance endemic to single women who find themselves in situationships. You don't need to learn anything; that's what makes it ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 10:56 PM
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The other has told us he thinks he is asexual and has no interest in dating Your youngest?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:31 PM
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Ears you can't fix but they're not a big deal. As for the nose and jaw: proper tongue posture (i.e. mewing and avoiding mouthbreathing). Watch out for and surgically correct impediments to nose-breathing (deviated septum and enlarged turbinates) as soon as they appear. This will also have the added benefit of making the maxilla and jaw more forwardly developed. orthodontics (for jaw and teeth alignment) hard diet (foods that require a lot of chewing) to develop the massater muscle to plasticly r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:10 PM
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Most common denominator is looks and height. Low confidence and bad game is highly correlated with the the above, go figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:00 PM
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Because there are behavioral sex differences and because women (on average) make different life choices that is inadequately causatively explained by being indoctrinated/socialized in a "patriarchal system". A not insignificant % of women still want children and want to be present during the early years to raise them. Forget the fact that a portion of women are childfree; think in terms of macro trends. Taking a break from your career to raise children will impact career progression.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 05:39 PM
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I didn’t say it was good That's what I'm getting at. It wasn't good, it was bad, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 05:32 PM
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And the slow rate of women's rights was... bad yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 03:43 PM
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I honestly just tune way the fuck out whenever I hear the word patriarchy. None of the people using it can seem to agree what exactly it is, how we know when we're no longer in it, or how we parse sex differences in behavior from societal pressures.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:51 AM
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Except the Barbies and Barbieland are "gender conscious" by the end of the movie (unlike the time period/society when women were first allowed to be judges) so the metaphor doesn't work. So the Barbies go through their analogous fight against patriarchy, win, realize gender equality is good and virtuous, and then proceed to... not practice gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:35 AM
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and create a more equal and balanced political landscape which would eventually lead to a 50/50 Supreme Court. Be honest. You don't mean equal, you mean equitable. Because there's no way to get to 50/50 gender equality in positions of power without heavily putting your finger on one side of the scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:31 AM
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I just love how people are overly sensitive to subversive messaging and dog-whistling, but the moment you point it out on their side they retreat behind, "well, it's just fiction, don't take it too seriously." Early James Bond films were not patriarchal or misogynistic in any way, CMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:01 AM
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Regarding the Supreme Court comment in the movie, and your follow up response: No, that takes 200 years, as it did in real life. Was the slow progression of women's equal rights a morally good thing or a morally bad thing? And if it's morally bad for women to have had to fight so long to achieve equality, why is it no longer morally bad to reverse it and do to men what men did to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 05:41 AM
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My movement? Try not to take things too literally. It's a criticism I have of the movie and modern feminist movement. Explain the difference. Sure. Equality refers to treating everyone the same and providing equal opportunities and treatment, usually acknowledging that equal outcomes are not realistic or achievable. Equity involves distributing (or redistributing) resources or opportunities to achieve "fairness" through equal outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 05:32 AM
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Oh… so like it was for 200 years, but an all female Supreme Court for 1 hour and 54 minutes was just… too much for men? The Supreme Court was established in 1790. It was entirely male for 200 years, until O’Conner was appointed in 1981. Two wrongs make a right I guess. Stop preaching your movement is about gender equality, when we all know what you mean is equity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 03:00 AM
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Hey Inject, can you PM me? I have a question on a private matter and I need a woman's opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:10 AM
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I'd say case by case. Some higher sociosexual women know the rules in that they know they can get a much hotter guy for a hookup than a relationship and are fine with that for just a dick appointment. Less sociosexual women might still have casual sex but it's more situational, like after a breakup. I don't think the attractiveness standards for LTRs vs casual sex differ very much for women in this group.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:22 PM
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Queue women saying they insist on paying their share of the date because men who pay have a tendency to believe they're "owed" something in return...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 05:02 PM
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That's exactly what I said in my above comment, did you even read it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 02:12 AM
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Zach Woods in this picture: https://images.app.goo.gl/fovvWxn65bwqTxrA7 Josh Brener in this picture: https://images.app.goo.gl/Yj5uNYYa5iG51sVWA Martin Freeman in this picture: https://images.app.goo.gl/D2EiWewyufYVb9ee8 I say, "in this picture" because a few of their headshots I was looking through I think could easily put them in category 2 for some women. So obviously camera angles, lighting, and hairstyle matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 12:53 AM
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What's "large" is relative between the genders. Probably >90% of men think Margot Robbie is attractive, but you just don't see those same high %'s when you ask women to rate conventionally attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 12:44 AM
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We don't disagree. Like I said, some average men will be in OP's category 2 if they get lucky and find the right girl. But category 1? Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 12:39 AM
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No, the problem with truerateme is that it demands decile ratings based on a strict gaussian distribution. Meaning the likelihood of an 8 existing (top 0.134%) is almost exponentially lower than a 7 (top 2.5%). And a 7 is exponentially lower than an 6 (top 15%). And so on and so forth. This is where most of the confusion about that subs ratings stem from, but I personally think their rating system is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 12:35 AM
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Average isn't polarizing. Average is average. Average guys fall into category 3 without much deviance. If they're lucky and meet the right girl, maybe they'll be in in category 2. But unlikely they will ever see themselves in category 1 on looks alone. Polarization is a good thing though and more attractive men tend to have more polarizing faces. Sean O'Pry (the male model in T Swift's Blank Space music video for you ladies) has a very polarizing face, but most women say they don't find him very…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 12:24 AM
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I grew up in a conservative household where I had to beg and plead to even get a FB profile for myself. My parents relented but IG was a hard no, so I coped until a couple years ago that it was just some social media app where narcissists go to to show off. To an extent, that is true, but I use it mainly as an ice breaker when I'm catching up with people I haven't seen in a while. Like, "how was your vacation to ____?" And then we can talk about it. Also social events. A friend of a friend I met…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 10:08 PM
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As for the original sub, It was heavily moderated, gate-keepy, and hierarchical. New users would often see their posts taken down and be redirected to the askTRP sub. A collection of about 10-12 posters (the only name I can remember is GayLubeOil) would do the majority of the posting. They were pretty unapologetic about their rules too. Don't like it? Don't come here. Overall, I don't think the gatekeeping was necessarily bad as it kept the sub from being drowned out by "anger phase" newbies, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:22 PM
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They do go like that, I can assure you. But if you've already made up your mind they don't, I guess I can't convince you otherwise. So in comparison it makes this man's particular complaint seem a bit... Dumb. The example of the comment you gave is a bad faith generalization. And I don't care if bad faith arguments are responded to in bad faith so... go off, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:32 PM
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And if you ask most feminists on if the rate of change of women's rights was acceptable, most of them would probably answer that it should've been done faster, yes? So slow = bad/immoral. Do two wrongs make a right? Or, to be more charitable, is it even wrong to grant women special privileges (or have obstacles put up for men) so women can catch up? If your answer is no, it's not wrong, then fine. But your movement is no longer about equality, it's about equity. Just don't play these dishonest m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:28 PM
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No, context matters. The conversation I'm referring to between President Barbie and the Kens happened right after the Barbies defeated the disenfranchisement vote to change the Barbieland constitution and keep the Barbies as bangmaids forever. It's retaliation, just own it. Also, Barbieland is a fantasy world. The Barbies are representations/objects of what women can achieve without paying any attention to the merit or work that got them there. Barbies were success objects as much as the Kens we…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:17 PM
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I don't care tbh, but if I were to hang out on TwoX long enough where those statistics get repeated on the regular, it'd probably affect my mental health. There's also times those statistics get brought up that are completely non-sequitur to the conversation, or used as some kind of Trump card to shut down any further discussion. I'm not accusing you in particular, but the following is an interaction I've observed: Man: dating is really hard for me. Oh, you think it's hard for you? Try living in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:05 PM
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It even had a subplot that you shouldn't oppress men in it. Spoiler: Kens being "allowed" to have one lower level judge be a Ken rubbed me the wrong way. Other than that, I didn't find anything wrong with the messaging. But that one plot point undermines the narrative of equality the movie is pushing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 10:48 PM
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https://youtube.com/shorts/-ocizpRbV0o?feature=share
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 10:44 PM
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Don't forget to tip your landlord!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 10:24 PM
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Things I've spent a lot of combined money on to attract attention have included: Skincare products Gym memberships/exercise equipment Extra $$$ at the barber to get my eyebrows threaded Healthy food Cosmetic surgeries Clothes that fit my body well Extra travel and entrance expenses to where there would be single women Does this make me a walking red flag? Because women do the same things, if not more when you include makeup. A common excuse I hear for why men should treat their first date is bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 10:23 PM
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Positive feedback loop, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:47 PM
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It takes two to tango. I'm conscious of the fact that desperation is extremely unattractive, and I don't think I give off those vibes since I've never had any woman say through the grapevine I come off creepy (& as evidenced by repeat invites back to social events). But I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel immense pressure to perform. In high school, I could take my time, build some rapport, see if there are any connections. School provides regularity with regards to intermingling of the genders…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:45 PM
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Some do, and that's my point. The "radical" notion that women are humans means they share many of the same vulnerabilities of ego inflation, pride, delusion, and social conformity men do. Unless your argument is that women are perfectly immune to that...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:39 PM
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Women know men that are too attractive for them only want a hole. Funniest thing I've read on this subreddit in a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:30 PM
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Doesn't matter when women (often of no fault of their own) have a hard time distinguishing between the signaling of wanting her as a relationship partner and wanting her as a casual sex partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:10 PM
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You're "competition" is men that actually want her Not encouraging given we have OLD apps and social media. and what she wants added by a relationship. I already mentioned this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:01 PM
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being with a man that doesn't add to their personal happiness. Adding happiness isn't enough when you take into account the fact that relationships have inherent complications and tend to involve some loss of autonomy for both parties. It also ignores the fact that women have an "assumed happiness threshold" that men need to surpass to even be considered as candidates, as well as the fact that multiple suitors may offer varying degrees of happiness and women are rationally (or irrationally, depe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:13 PM
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She had already planned to see it with my brother-in-law tomorrow. I'm seeing it next weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 08:37 AM
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Took my sister to see the Barbie movie. Eh. I was more entertained than annoyed but it wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be. Maybe a bit too "on the nose" with some of its messaging. There were issues I can definitely sympathize with that were communicated through pretty tongue-in-cheek humor but a lot missed the mark.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:00 AM
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That's the bulk of the reasons, so yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 03:48 PM
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https://images.app.goo.gl/HMneiMrfS9vV4tBR9
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 04:57 AM
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I'm naturally suspicious of them to the point I would probably make up an excuse not to go if offered. I've read too many horror stories of guys being set up on dates with women that were single for... let's just say, very obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 02:51 AM
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My new coworker watches the FnF podcast during his lunch breaks 😧. On our work desktops, not his phone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 11:04 PM
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I'm 27.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 02:40 PM
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yeah i never understood why men who say they want that kind of lifestyle don’t go after poly women Have you seen poly women? They all look like they hit "random" button on the character creation screen. Actually, this is true for most men that are poly as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 02:02 AM
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It's also not true. She wouldn't know though because, as a woman, she's never been approached by a gay man. The vast majority of gay men are fine, but "straight flipping" is a fringe fetish that exists within the community, and some gay men are super predatory about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:55 AM
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Her "wishes" are a big fat unknown until you approach her. That's what the purpose of an approach is for: to figure that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:52 AM
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Asking a woman out alone is necessarily stalking? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:47 AM
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Broad appeal is what I'm going off of. The "most attractive man" is the man that will have the highest # of women be attracted to him. Whether that's 10% or 80% of the total straight female population is anyone's guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 01:46 AM
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Making female friends is a huge waste of time Where did I say this? but propositioning 99 annoyed, disinterested women who are guaranteed to reject out-of-context weird approaches is a “good” use of a man’s time. The purpose of an approach is to figure out if she's interested. Ideally, there's a context and "song and dance" game you play so she's comfortable, has an "out" if she wants to take it, and you can read implicit verbal/non-verbal cues before you explicitly ask her. The fact you think "…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 12:30 AM
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Where has a man in this comment thread admitted to stalking?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 12:24 AM
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Men in this thread: Yeah, I approach women I'm attracted to. JNRoberts42 in this thread: Oh, so you're saying you're entitled to a woman’s attention? You just want to corner them in dark alleys where they have no escape, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 12:16 AM
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Making platonic friends is a more logical and productive first step. "How to get more men to waste their time and get friendzoned 101" A course taught by JNRoberts42
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 12:13 AM
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No, what PPD men find attractive and the men I am attracted to are not the same at all. I think a better measurement of objectivity for attractiveness would be broad appeal. With women, that broad appeal is going to cap out way lower compared to how men rate women. Then you have to account for age ranges, as IMO, women (on average) prefer more masculine looking men as they get older. Go ahead PPD women, roast my perception of "the female gaze": On a purely aesthetic basis, this man I think would…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:49 PM
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I'm not saying that it doesn't happen or there aren't promiscuous UMC/UC women, just that it's more common in lower class communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 09:11 PM
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You have to have a bit of an "edge" to hold a woman's attention. In other words, don't be boring! Make fun of her, but don't insult her. Keep it playful. Disagree with her strongly on a couple banal topics (favorite band, for example. None of that deep stuff like life goals or values) even if you agree with her or don't care too much. You're going to have a few (figurative or literal) drinks thrown in your face before you realize what polarizing words/actions are comfortable for you to play in. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 08:16 PM
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Nope, upper classes have less sex than lower classes on average, cross culturally and cross historically. I don't doubt crazy sex drama happens within fraternities and sororities, but on average, UC and UMC women are more concerned about their reputation so they can secure an equally high or higher status BF/husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:47 PM
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Yep, that's unreasonable. Men have two options in a post-feminist world: A. Learn to be better coequal partners with women. Yes, this means being willing, able, and competent at domestic duties. And picking up the slack a ton if she is pregnant and raising a child. Or B. Slave away at a job and work extra hours, possibly neglecting your partner and children for that next raise, in a global economy where everything is getting more expensive and wages are stagnant. Personally, I choose A. But you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 03:45 AM
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It's class specific. This: Many in my area end up as single mothers. ...is a big giveaway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 03:34 AM
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I haven’t seen a promiscuous man get rejected. They may not be getting outright rejected, but they are being preemptively disqualified within their social circles. You're not seeing it because it happens behind closed doors in women's group chats and brunch gossip. Promiscuous men aren't usually so socially retarded they can't tell when a girl they're pursuing is acting cold and give up the chase. So it never gets to rejection, most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 03:31 AM
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You choose to do so because you want something from those women🤷‍♀️. So what? You're not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 03:17 AM
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500 Days of Summer is pretty anti-bluepill though. But that's also one of the reasons it's my favorite romcom.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 03:06 AM
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The Last American Virgin is the epitome of an anti-bluepill movie. Watched it when I was 15 and the ending had my jaw on floor. Didn't know 80's romance movies could be that based. Goddamn, I love that movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 02:57 AM
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If you’re framing your problems with dating as an issue with women rather than an issue with yourself then you’ve moved the focus to something you have no control over and removed any impetus to change your situation. The additional frame would be discontents/criticisms of men. So there's three you can have and they aren't even mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 08:43 PM
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Nope, but I can also understand why ND women who have most of their social interactions online would have trouble differentiating between ND men online, and ND men as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:18 AM
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Lots of incorrect assumptions about me. I'll try to address each one individually: As a man you see your challenges and pain as more real, more tangible, more important since you neither care nor can remotely relate to a woman’s challenges. Nope, it's not that at all. Men have privileges and obstacles that are unique to them, just like women. Recognizing an obstacle doesn't exist for women the same as it does to men does not "invalidate" the other obstacles that I can see women have, clear as da…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 01:22 AM
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It is possible. My good friend's younger sister was on the apps for a year before deleting it and just dating someone from her church. I think she only went on a handful of dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:52 AM
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More men will approach because that is assumed by men, so there will always be a lot of men that will indiscriminately approach every woman they see. The men she wan't does not want her, and it's because of the same reasons as why some men are unattractive to most women. So she lacks "girl game" and/or is aiming out of her league. Skill issue on her part, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:48 AM
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There are studies that show women ,just like men, have been affected by the change in scenery. Does it make me an asshole if I have less sympathy for women in these situations (not a complete lack of sympathy, just less than I do for men)? Everyone on reddit is so confident telling an shy, anxious man he needs to put himself out there if he wants to improve his life. Swap the genders and you get every excuse in the book on why she can't make friends or find a boyfriend, with zero pushback and/or…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:45 AM
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Nah, it's just the vibes they give off. I could easily see a ND girl convince herself that was the case, since ND people in general are more prone to being manipulated/tricked.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:23 AM
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I was four months into a situationship with a girl before she told me she was on the spectrum. I never would've known otherwise. She was quirky in a lot of ways but nothing too abnormal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:21 AM
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If you're past 22, light dermal fillers can achieve the same look.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 11:50 PM
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When it's someone you're close to, it's hard to wait until they get to that point. I tried nudging saying I had concerns about health, backed up by a genetic test and family history that puts this person at greater risk of diabetes. Nope. To him, I was making fun of him and ignoring all the other compounding issues in his life that was making him obese. If I told him "calories in, calories out" he'd probably think it was insulting as he is actually a pretty intelligent and well read person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 04:55 AM
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Men like being a BPD woman's favorite person. Men (and women who are unfortunate enough to find themselves in relationships with BPD men) like the feeling of being a woman's favorite person. Like most abuse situations, the BPD isn't immediately apparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 04:40 AM
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Tried that once and it blew up in my face. Now I remain silent on any issues regarding weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 04:33 AM
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Why can't I assign some responsibility to the % of women who complain about OLD apps when that is the only avenue they indulge? It's like having a friend who insists on walking home through a shady part of town and then complains about getting mugged constantly. Uh... maybe take a different route? The "modern dating world" doesn't exist entirely on OLD apps. I will blame them for being too stupid to understand selection bias and not making an active effort to improve their situations, just as I …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 11:08 PM
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Everyone has what's called an "aesthetic potential". The first step is recognizing where that is and if it's even worth the amount of work/time/money to get there, as well as what the payoffs will be. One of the most (facially) attractive men in my friend group is also rich and competitively lifts. Guess what, he still struggles because he's 5'6" and East Asian. The only reason I would tell a struggling man who's short and/or ugly to spend years and thousands of dollars on his appearance is beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:40 PM
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Yeah, my plastic surgeon said he's never seen more men come through his office than in the past 5 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:08 PM
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Good point, actually. Lack of housing affordability is contributing to social atomization. I grew up in SoCal with a decent sized social network. 80% of my graduating class now lives out of state.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:00 PM
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Watch these same people turn into screeching harpies when anyone tries to build an apartment complex within four blocks of their house.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 04:53 PM
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CS careers aren't the cash cows they used to be. If you went to a mid-level school, and don't really stand out from your peers, sub-$100K entry CS jobs are becoming more common. The biggest advantage they have is that they're more comfortable, but you're not making the big bucks until you do your time in recruiting purgatory as well as having a standout resume and excellent logic/interview skills. But like the problem here is that you got lucky making 100k. And you got lucky after a few years. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:36 PM
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I prefer the 6 range myself. The 9s aren't who I would be the most attracted to in a real life setting. I just acknowledge they conform more closely to conventional beauty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:15 PM
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Average, to me, is in the range of 4.5-5.4. Also, I've dated women in this range and been attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:12 PM
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I work in a trade. The trade I work in specifically collaborates a lot with other trades, so during down time, I have the chance to talk with contractors that have been in their respective careers for 20+ years. Trades are extremely hit or miss. I don't hate "the trades" but I'm also not thrilled they are simped over by some people like they are the holy grail of jobs. You are sort-of right. Many trades destroy your body, but they pay decently. Many also have shit wages but are a bit easier on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:08 PM
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What's delusional about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:57 PM
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Too high or too low?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:57 PM
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Rate how delusional I am about women's looks 5.5-5.9 In order, we have: Sutton Foster (short hair), Awkwafina, Jessy Hodges, Ellie Kemper, Jenna Fischer, Maya Hawke, Ginnifer Goodwin, Stephanie Hsu, Alison Pill, Jemima Kirke, Dakota Johnson, Issa Rae 6.0-6.9 Aubrey Plaza, Jeanette McCurdy, Amber Midthunder, Chloë Grace Moretz, Adele (post weight loss), Vanessa Marano, Sutton Foster (longer hair), Melissa Fumero, Alexis Bledel, Sarah Goldberg, Haley Lu Richardson 7.0-7.9 Zendaya, Brie Larson, Ros…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:50 PM
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Nope, heritability/adoption of political views has more to do with how hard they are pushed on children (as children tend to swing opposite of what's being pushed on them). This applies to both left-wing and right-wing political views. You place far too much faith in your own political ideology's power to influence. I remember democrats posturing how much cultural and institutional power they had in 2015, and how democrats would control the legislative and executive for the foreseeable future. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:39 PM
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How do you expect to force women to sleep with men is my question because that is the supposed solution. Its not about pussy. Think long-term. The RedPill wants western women to either give up or acquiesce. Yes, you read that right: RedPill wants the "modern western woman" to give up. And if a many many men (and women) have to be lonely, well those are just the broken eggs to make the omelet. Why do you think passport bro-ing saw such a huge uptick in attention in the past few years? What could …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 09:25 PM
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And? It's either self imposed or crabs-in-a-bucket mentality the overwhelming majority of the time. I could (and would) say the same about most men complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 05:30 PM
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I know guys in similar situations where that drive just kind of shuts off. They aren't outwardly misogynistic or bitter but it's just hobbies and work for them. I don't ask any single male friend about dating anymore because I don't want to trigger any repressed feelings. Now the women in my friend group just need to get the memo because it's led to some awkward silences lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 05:20 PM
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Girl game ftw.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:45 AM
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🤦‍♂️ Jfc, the algorithm takes into account watch time and engagement, and then gives you more of that. Have some basic media literacy before you start lecturing us like TikTok is some authoritative source.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:17 AM
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Lol it's not triggering, it's just the women complaining share a few things in common. Either they are: Younger women complaining about men despite exclusively using OLD apps. Like almost every reddit post or TikTok begins with, "So I went on this hinge/bumble date..." and ends with "...and that's why men suck." And of course they all get "yas qween-ed" in the comments without anyone calling them out for selection bias. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've heard women who met partner…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:00 AM
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Porn shows women being degraded, humiliated, and pounded which most women don’t enjoy. 🥱 Owen Gray, Bellesa, Chickflixxx, and the countless OnlyFans couples that post their content for free for people to enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 07:25 AM
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women aren’t a monolith Come on... all I need is "women are humans" and I'll have won my PPD buzzword BINGO for the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 07:22 AM
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Probably true for women but idk about men. There have been Q4W threads about this topic and most women said their attractiveness standards don't change depending on if they are looking for something short-term vs long-term. I haven't had enough LTRs (2, maybe 3 depending on how you count LTRs) to get a good enough sample size either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 01:49 AM
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Some dated, most ditched. Pretty much all ONS's ditched. I stopped asking after my second ONS when I figured out all these girls were probably just not looking for anything serious themselves. I think casual sex is more about being in the right place at the right time than being the most "alpha Chad" guy in the room. A handful of girls had verifiable crushes on me in HS ranging from 4 to 7, and it's been sparse interest from women in the 4-6 range ever since. Some of these I dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 01:43 AM
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I love how this post has brought out all the objectivity in how women rate men's attractiveness. Like women will admit to having very wide disagreements with their friends about which guy or what type of guy they think is attractive, and the other girls "just don't see it". We can't talk about this though because high variability in women's looks preferences would mean women are partially to blame for men's over-perception bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 12:47 AM
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I've gotten a couple women way outside my league and I truly believe myself to be at best a 5.5/10. Most were fluke one-night-stands fueled by alcohol. If I abided by "your level is what you can get" I'd rate myself a 8/10 and then I'd be delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 12:14 AM
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Of course it can. I used to roll my eyes whenever I heard the term "eurocentric beauty standards" but after my friend group got a lot more diverse I started seeing just how much harder minority men have it across the board. I'm white btw, just recognizing my privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 12:07 AM
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Nothing about dating, relationships, of life is ironclad. Never said it was. Don't be like Drake, make new friends. Easier said than done. See second point I made above. I didn't suggest dating your friends. Neither did I. Guess you skipped over the "platonic" part. She found before the hangout so it would have resulted in a rejection anyway. Not really. You just need to be in her DMs immediately after the first meeting and gauge interest from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:27 PM
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Warm approaches are great, but they aren't ironclad. They require a lot of prerequisites for it to be a viable option: Have a few female friends you have known for a while and trust you to be a decent guy. Okay, easy enough. Unless you've spent ages 5-22 as a guy in male dominated groups, then you're SOL. Those same female friends also need to be relatively extroverted, have relatively large networks themselves, and want to go out regularly. It is actually pretty uncommon nowadays will find wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 10:22 PM
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No, but almost every avenue has a single male to single female ratio exceeding 2:1.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 09:31 PM
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You're kinda half right. The ability to get dick whenever she wants is like having millions of German reichsmarks in 1922. Sure some women will make use of it, but it's not really a flex. No, what your competing against is her limited time and attention. Her Netflix shows, her brunches/girls-night-outs, vacations, hobbies, TikTok, and Instagram. OLD apps, if she even wants it, is there for all the rest of her free time. Building up a real life social network and putting yourself out there is wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 09:28 PM
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I would shell out an extra $5,000-10,000 for gender selected IVF precisely because there are women like this, and raising a boy in this world has my anxiety levels going through the roof.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 08:39 PM
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No, depends, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 08:32 PM
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So just cope then given all the posturing about conservative men being bad partners anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 08:22 PM
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"Never ask a guy out because he will take you for granted and abuse you" is something I've heard from women on this sub. Is this just cope for not wanting to approach?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 05:15 PM
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TIL male friendships and female friendships are exactly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 05:05 PM
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Nerdy, "very online" women, particularly weeaboos and gamers, are more promiscuous than normal women: more "kinky", more liberal, more sexually open, more likely to take up sex work etc. The cosplayer to OF/SW pipeline isn't even a new thing. It was huge back in the late 00s too. Dude, I'm a guy, but you need to assign some more accountability to the nerdy men here. The average nerdy woman is just that, average. The ones at the top with the faces, bodies, and openness to SW are going to capitali…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 12:06 AM
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to the men here, has women’s distrust of men impacted you? i’ve heard before that some men feel upset when women cross the street to avoid them. The effects are more subtle with Gen Z women, but they seem to be very closed off and clique-ish. This might just be the city I live, but the majority seem to spend most of their grass-touching freetime exclusively other women. how can these issues be addressed? What's there to address? They have everything they need. Most have female friends or pets to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 10:46 PM
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You're really reaching if you're trying to make it seem like there is an inherent connection between unrequited love and entitlement to a woman's affections. Over 95% of the time I've heard it, the term is used as a pejorative and insult towards the man that suckered himself into it. It describes a low confidence man without boundaries who prefers to waste his own time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:52 PM
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She wanted me to have sex with her to feel pretty. Several members of the group tried to convince me to do so as well, I refused. Been in similar shoes. Only it was a relationship, not sex. And I unfortunately relented and gave it a shot. Amazing how the women pressuring me couldn't flip the genders and see how fucked up it would be if a bunch of guys were pressuring a girl to be in a relationship with one of their friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 01:00 AM
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When someone gives me a hypothetical, I try to engage with it instead of picking apart how that hypothetical "could never happen". Is there something specific you're looking for? Yeah, I just want to know if it's weird if a woman breastfeeds a child that isn't hers if they're in a pinch, there are no other immediate solutions, and the women know each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 12:21 AM
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Closest one I ever had started in high school. It got weird for a lot of reasons. At first, it started off pretty good. I would tutor her in chemistry/math and she would bring me to parties. A lot of people would ask if we were together, we were that tight. We would both give each other dating/sex advice and help hook each other up with other girls/boys we fancied. Suffice to say, she was a pretty attractive blonde girl with an enormous rack personality, so I think she just appreciated having a …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 12:07 AM
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Addendum to hypothetical: Isolated lake cabin. Husband(s) have already been sent out to get the formula but the closest place to get it involves a 3 hour round trip. Baby is hungry and crying. You're saying they should wait?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 11:16 PM
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Hypothetical Q4W: Two different mothers have young infants around the same age. They go on a vacation with their husbands and babies to an isolated lake cabin, but both of the families forgot to pack formula. One of the mothers has run out of milk, but the other woman hasn't. Assuming the women know each other decently well, it wouldn't be weird for one of them to breastfeed a child that wasn't hers, would it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 11:09 PM
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And in the context of the so-called "friend-zone," it's crucial to understand that this term is problematic No, it depends on how the term is used. Intent matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 07:38 PM
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If you've had a vasectomy, it's not a bad strategy. Way back in the day, there was a guy on the RP forums who did this and got pretend baby trapped. Obviously the kid wasn't his and obviously it was mid to late term when she told him. There's a good chance the story was just RP fanfic, but men withholding information about their fertility isn't uncommon. Either way, the risks for the woman outweigh those of the man. Baby trapping happens, but it's rare. 99.99% of women aren't dumb or crazy enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 07:03 PM
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The following has got to be one of the most positively jarring and self-aware quote I've read from a feminist: Those same forces which predisposed females to intelligence and assertiveness also selected the highly competitive individuals among them. This is the dark underside of the feminist dream. If it is shown, as I believe it will be, that there are no important differences between males and females in intelligence, initiative, or administrative and political capabilities, that women are no …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:38 AM
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I had to go back and look but the quote is paraphrased in David Buss' The Evolution of Desire. The bibliography references Hrdy's 1981 book, The woman that never evolved, but doesn't give a specific page number.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:13 AM
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It's not about the money. The $7 was sour grapes about not getting laid. If you're hanging out with a guy you rejected twice, you need to understand there's a not insignificant chance he didn't take your no as no.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 03:49 AM
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An opinion that would get me downvoted with men: The biggest privilege you have over women is time. Yes, that does mean women's time is more valuable, but that also doesn't mean you should put up with time wasters yourself. An opinion that would get me downvoted with women: Before complaining about an issue with men, ask yourself, "are men causing this or is this a natural byproduct of a state of affairs women are enabling or find preferable to times past?" As the evolutionary psychologist and f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 03:31 AM
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She might have seen him as friend. No indication he also felt the same way, but I'm leaning towards no given the evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 02:24 AM
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There has to be a mutual understanding of friendship to expect friendship benefits. Emphasis on mutual. That doesn't make the guy in this scenario in the right but... come on. He asked you out twice, you said no both times. And now you're hanging out at his apartment. Alone with him. And that guy who has expressed sexual/romantic interest didn't get lucky and you're ending the night. Inb4: "oh, so you think men are entitled to sex and should just expect it whenever they're alone with a girl in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 02:21 AM
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I call that the "Sex and the City" era. Rooting for you to find your Mr. Big and enter your "And Just Like That..." era.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:55 AM
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I can't believe I have to spell this out for you, but if I said he chose his words poorly, then that means he did not say all the right things. There is no point of contention because we both agree. Stop shadow-boxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:46 AM
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What point of contention? To quote myself again: I think he chose his words poorly with the whole "respect myself" line Onto the next part, I don’t understand the purpose of this aspect of your comment. The purpose of that part of my comment in context is that if you know you're going to have your name dragged through the mud regardless, it's best practice to be make sure you have the moral high ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:31 AM
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My condolences. Every woman I've spoken to who lives or lived seems to hate the dating culture. I do know one woman, the sister of my best friend's fiance actually, who moved there and found a boyfriend pretty quickly. The caveat being (if her toxic ex-boyfriend was anything to go off of) she lowered her looks standards a ton.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:19 AM
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Do we disagree or are you shadow-boxing? To quote myself: That's why it's important to have the moral and intellectual high ground (which Jonah most certainly didn't)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:13 AM
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Yep, that's certainly a risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:47 PM
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Having these conversations is difficult. I wouldn't call a person who can't navigate them well as being socially inept, per se. If you're breaking up with a woman or giving an ultimatum, you're the villain in her eyes over 90% of the time. Full stop. You can say all the right things and still have your reputation fucked. That's why it's important to have the moral and intellectual high ground (which Jonah most certainly didn't), as well as not giving the other person enough rope to hang yourself…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:44 PM
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Damn, you just made me remember a thread about wasted chicks at parties. Some of the women were complaining about the "looks" men would give the drunk girls. My intuition is telling me he probably catcalled her and it wasn't received well (obviously).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:28 PM
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Some of his requests were reasonable. Most were not. I think he chose his words poorly with the whole "respect myself" line because you should assume that's going to be interpreted in the least charitable way possible in the course of the breakup, but there are scenarios I can think of where that line could be used and not be wrong. Hurtful, yes, but not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:13 PM
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Redundancy. You don't even need to go on dialysis with only one kidney.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:06 PM
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It was me. Jk, but I don't agree with condemning men as a whole like the woman in the video did because we don't want to put ourselves in danger to intervene in some unhinged man's rant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:00 PM
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I was surprised to hear his name come up in conversation over dinner with some friends when he got arrested. That was the one and only time I've heard his name in a real life setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:49 PM
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Basically assortive mating. If you haven't been running in the same circles as high value/high status men and dating them for most of your life, your chances of getting one to commit to you are very slim. Simply being around them isn't enough. A lot of women think they discovered a way to circumvent the class divide by employing various strategies. They're still going to notice and figure out where you went to school, what you do for work, and where you vacation. If those put you below his own c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 01:43 PM
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Same strategies, different intent. There's a difference in behavior/mindset between withholding sex until you're ready, and viewing sex as this bargaining chip you're dangling in front of a suitor until he gives you princess treatment and commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 01:18 PM
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The false-dichotomizing between attractive and unattractive is both Blckpll and Giga-autistic. All these "mid" women coupled up with "mid" men must have been brainwashed into being in "unappealing" relationships, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 05:45 AM
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I barely seem to hear any complaints from women who date within their social circles and don't use the apps (unless they admit they're ugly, in which case I do sympathize). Weird, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 05:19 AM
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It will never not be funny to see women on this sub unintentionally spout Blckpll talking points.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 05:12 AM
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No one should be saying you should date a man you find repulsive. But there's a whole lot of middle ground between ugly and hot you should be open to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 04:18 AM
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You know what all the guys on here look like and what they do for a living?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 04:15 AM
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If you don't have the time to watch the entire series: https://youtu.be/XO3by3ok0Iw Spoilers, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 03:20 PM
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Yes, but I really think we need to do a better job of painting these sad and lonely men as people who want to live out the handmaiden's tale. We all know at this point that a man complaining about being lonely is just dogwhistling about wanting to put all women in sex slavery. If we catastrophize and misrepresent these groups of men enough, we don't have to listen to these entitled male crybabies or address any of their "issues". Besides, there's a finite amount of attention to give to these iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 06:42 AM
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Ok, so you basically proved my above argument. It really isn't about negativity or misogyny, is it? Because negativity and misandry exist in femcel spaces but who cares because women are the oppressed and men are the oppressors. Oppressors don't deserve sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 02:07 AM
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My mom had cancer from when I was five until she passed away when I was 14. I'd like to eulogize her, but I mostly only remember the bad parts. Chemo affects everyone differently. In movies, you kind of just lose your hair and pass away peacefully like a wallflower. With my mom, it was constant frustration, oversensitivity, and anger, most of which was directed at my dad. It got to the point in the final years where she was hearing things no one else heard. Like she stormed into my room one day …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 01:50 AM
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One of my father's most unforgettable memories is seeing my grandfather walking hand in hand with a strange young woman on the street. I think my dad overcompensated, shunning all of my grandfather's good traits, and strived to become the opposite of his father: a full-blown beta who's always seeking approval from his wife. I do wonder how common this is. HBO's White Lotus wrote a character similar to your dad to deconstruct the nice guy stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 01:14 AM
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It's literally just the culture around it which has so much negativity and misogyny that keeps women at arm's length and struggle to sympathize. The foreveralonewomen sub is a pretty negative space too, yes? I've definitely read a few takes on there where I could flip the genders and it'd easily be interpreted as misogynistic. Only difference is that women weren't historically marginalized, so they get a lot more leeway and sympathy before accusations of entitlement and misandry start getting th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 12:18 AM
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The culture of "men not having success with women?" What? That's a culture? Can we at least agree there is a difference between a group of men struggling and a group of men advocating to take away women's rights? I mean, it's fair to point out the overlaps, but struggling doesn't mean you are a part of "incel culture".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 10:09 PM
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You already know she is vain if she expects you to pay from date 1. No, not really, but I'm sure it's culturally dependent, like, for example, if you're dating in the Netherlands. You don't need to waste time and money on such petty games How is it petty? A lot of these girls don't get any negative feedback for their toxic behavior. By telling her what she did wrong, you're making the world a better place. It's not just the smug satisfaction I get from telling vain women they fucked up, that's j…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:30 PM
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The prescriptive narrative (all guys are AHs so get the hottest one you can) is coming from women. The descriptive narrative (women say ‘all guys are AHs’ so they’re always gonna go for the hottest ones) can only be a reaction to the former. Whatever the case is, i would personally rather have a guy who treats me well These men don't exist, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:22 PM
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the job market isnt the same as using an individual human in the most vulnerable way possible by using their love. Never said it was. You are NOT entitled to sex or love from other people. It is not justified to get these things by any means necessary it is your job to respect their wishes. I never said that either. Honestly, improve your reading comprehension before you try to moral grandstand.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:18 PM
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It's the same moral dilemma with the job market. Who would've thought that rejection of anyone without experience would incentivize dishonesty about experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:06 PM
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This is no longer the dominant narrative because it's just a more sugar-coated variation of an incl talking point (i.e. "women get cheated on and abused by Chads but won't settle for a nice guy like me!") No, no, no... the dominant narrative now is that your options as a woman are between a hot guy that treats you like shit and an average, or less hot guy, that treats you like shit. Because men are, by default, always shitty to women. So, you might as well date the hottest guy you can find becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 07:43 PM
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Better to be the one dumping than the one getting dumped. And if you don't pay, you're more likely to be the one dumped. The MO should be to pay and gauge interest/effort from there. Sure, it's more time/resource intensive, but if, over the course of the next few dates, you find out she is vain, then you have the opportunity to fire the first shot and mention that in your breakup message.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 07:20 PM
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Would this be a "ding" against me? Nope, you understand the ritual and expectations. Saying something akin to "next one is on me" is a huge green flag in my book and shows you're interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:56 PM
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Date someone you don't care about as a placeholder until you get the requisite experience. Sure, it's probably amoral, but so is disqualifying someone automatically based on no relationship experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:38 PM
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The video was a minor, humorous add-on to my argument. Which you can read in my own words instead of clicking the blue text link. What do you think my argument is, btw?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 08:43 PM
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The manosphere-rage-bait-industrial-complex loves to cherry-pick delusional women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:24 PM
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I tend to agree, but I'd like to see those studies if you have them. If the methodology for "objectivity" involved women rating men and men rating women, that would throw the numbers way off.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:19 PM
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Regarding the heterofatalism thread I missed a few days ago: Anyone who thinks modern gay or lesbian dating is sunshine and roses, or that gay men never talk shit about other gay men, or lesbians never talk shit about other lesbians... hasn't talked to a lot of gays/lesbians. They may not generalize as much as the straight radfems/pillers, but they do have complaints about the modern dating culture they participate in. (Hookup culture in the gay community, for example, is hurting a lot of gay me…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 04:29 AM
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No girl is telling other girls they shouldn't do those things, https://ibb.co/kKFTD5q https://ibb.co/hgCw7Rw https://ibb.co/7NdnkH6 https://ibb.co/vVTYtxj https://ibb.co/D1N6QVj https://ibb.co/cF5RPPk
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 03:49 AM
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Same thing I've observed. Meeting guys through real-life settings and social circles is mostly dead among Gen Z women. I think people just want to avoid any potential drama or awkwardness that comes with it since it's easier to cut off a complete stranger. That way, you have full control of the narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:44 AM
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When most of your friends are in relationships, you are, at best, a third priority for how they spend their free time behind their girlfriends and immediate family. Idk if it's better or worse than having mostly single friends because while the friend's girlfriend can introduce you to other women and vouch for you, it also requires they are extroverted and have a large social network themselves, which is often not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:18 AM
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Then my friends are either incredibly lonely or in relationships with women that demand 95% of their free time and attention. Crazy to see just how many guys (and I know it happens to women too, but I still see their IG stories of girls' night out and brunch with their friends) drop off the face of the earth after getting into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:02 AM
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So blackface or capitalize on my 1/128th Native American ancestry.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 11:31 PM
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For the ladies on here that keep suggesting "book clubs" as a way to meet women, here are the top 11 results I found for my city: Women only book club for mid-20s Mother's only book club POC book club that only reads books related to POC issues Gay men's book club Nerdy book club oriented towards a popular sci-fi franchise Women only book club All gender thriller/tru-crime book club Women only book club (romance novels) Women only book club Queer only book club Men only book club Idk PPD ladies,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 11:27 PM
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What a trainwreck. Military divorces always seem to be nastier. Also, military husbands cheat almost as much as the wives waiting at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 11:15 PM
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It's rape. Or at the very least a form of sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 11:11 PM
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My job is, in part, controlling the temp for office workers. 73-74F was what we called "building standard" and was the excuse we gave to all tenants who complained about temperature, unless you had a private office with a thermostat. Barely anyone complained when we kept it at that, except for the older women who I'm pretty sure were getting hot flashes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 11:09 PM
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No idea tbh as I don't ask my friends' girlfriends questions about their sex lives. She seems like the monogamous type, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:18 PM
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That's why I was asking for clarification. And based on your other responses, it's pointing strongly in the direction of butthurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:47 PM
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Yeah, this is called the "just be first" theory and is the most common reason I see average dudes end up with women above their looksmatch. I know one in real life that never had a boyfriend until her late 20s. Looks like she could be T Swift's sister. She got into a relationship at 27, as soon as she was done with education grad school, and is now engaged to the dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:31 PM
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Are you getting butthurt, or am I misinterpreting? What is it I hear often here? You can't negotiate attraction and women shouldn't be shamed into dating men they're not attracted to? Goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:13 PM
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And instead of accepting the truth that you are the causative agent for blowing off every unattractive man online, you tell men it's 100% totally our fault. Credit where credit is due, I have rarely encountered a woman, both in this sub and in real life, that places 100% of the blame on men. Most will admit OLD for average men is playing on insane difficulty, if only for the huge gender imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 01:56 AM
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It's a more socially acceptable version of "locker room talk". That's it, at least for me. I can make an overtly sexual, homoerotic joke and get a few smirks or laughs from even some women. Other women still think it's crude, but "just crude" is still better than crude + pervy + misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 08:15 PM
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Attractiveness becomes more objective the closer you get to the "ugly", and more subjective (but not completely, as there are universal indicators of attractiveness) the closer you get to "hot". People gaslight themselves because a lot of these studies used to confirm Blackpll beliefs don't count for all the in between. When you ask women to rate men only based on physical appearance, most guys are just "meh" to most women. So when you have a survey that demands a binary answer to a binary quest…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 07:57 PM
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You still didn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:49 PM
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You didn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 08:01 PM
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So basically like a voluntary college literature course, but without the tests and papers? What happens if you fall behind on the reading?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 07:48 PM
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I disagree. If you've never used a vibrator on a woman while having sex, you're missing out. The orgasms are way more intense and they're more likely to want to fuck you again.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 07:43 PM
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So women don't care about their partner's libido and sexual attraction to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 07:38 PM
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Q4A: Any of you all in a book club? What do you guys even talk about when you meet?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 07:36 PM
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Non-PC answer: You probably aren't even swiping on them or seeing their profiles. Peruse the next profile of woman on reddit who claims to be struggling to find a relationship through the apps, and you will almost always find at least two of the following: Slightly below average to way below average in the looks department. I would include being overweight in this category. Guys are less likely to take women seriously or want to commit the worse looking a woman is. I figure this out by self-admi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:26 AM
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Not the OC, but yes, absolutely. It ultimately doesn't matter though because the crux of the issue isn't "pickiness" in women, it's seriousness. A serious woman going into OLD with good intentions probably has standards, most of which probably overlap with a non-serious woman using the apps. The difference is the non-serious woman is leaving behind a trail of men with bad experiences. PervertPalpatine is referring to a certain type of woman, not all women in general. These types will always be o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 11:36 PM
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The phrase, "most guys on PPD want a hot Instagram model" is an accusation, so own it. I'm not pissed off, just impressed at your level of tone-deafness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 01:47 AM
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Ok, so you still can't see the irony. The irony is in the blanket accusation that [insert gender] is bad/unattractive/delusional because they must be going for partners out of their league. It's stupid when men make that blanket accusation, just as it is stupid when you make that accusation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 12:21 AM
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It's not about the exclusion, it's about the time-tables. There's a temptation for late-bloomer men who have "made it" to want to delay/fuck around as much as they can. Which is inconveniently around the same time women want to settle down and get married. Double oof for women that want kids of their own and are fighting that biological clock. The late bloomer isn't being "excluded", in this instance, he's an active and successful member of the dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 11:24 PM
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The Game is one of the most anti-RP books I've read. I don't know why people keep touting it as this "how-to" Bible of the RP. It's one man's autobiography of how the early PUA community became a bunch of drama hungry primma-donnas (ironically what is happening now in RP spaces. So much infighting), and how the author didn't get any fulfillment out of it. It's like when people watch the Wolf of Wall Street and glamorize the sex and drugs but forget Belfort gets arrested at the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 11:12 PM
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Unfortunately, it seems like most guys on PPD would rather have a 10 who has a smooth brain and can barely string together a sentence than a 5 who is an Olympic snowboarder. The fact that you cannot see the irony in this statement is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 11:06 PM
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I've never seen this. Actually, this assumption is just the flip side of the coin you're accusing men of. Oh, the irony.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 08:48 PM
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This is literally the majority of posts on this sub. Evidence needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 08:46 PM
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Almost every time a comment has been posted/linked as "evidence" of some crazy take, it usually never is in context. So no, I won't take your word for it, and this comment is just covering your ass to preserve your own narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 08:42 PM
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When men say women value looks as much as men do, I think they mean exactly what they say. You're assuming the men saying this are blackpill, which is probably usually the case in this subreddit, but not always. When I've said looks matter to women as much as they do to men, what I mean is that, with few exceptions, you need to pass a looks threshold to be considered a candidate. In other words, you need to qualify to get into the track meet before you can compete. To me, the concept of a Chad (…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 12:41 AM
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That being said, women’s attraction isn’t as looks-based as men’s The disconnect is between the "relative" and the "absolute". Imagine two university courses with two different syllabi. Course A has tests weighing 40% of your final grade, Course B has tests weighing 60% of your grade. However, both tests in both courses are graded identically (or some would argue the tests in Course A are graded more harshly). In Course A, it would be accurate to say tests matter less. Regardless, it is impossib…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 11:17 PM
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When was the last time you saw a female public figure leave her husband to be with a young or hot man who is broke? Jada Pinkett Smith
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 04:59 PM
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You claim being tall and white is enough to get you by, I call bullshit unless you have really low standards. I never said that, I said they are privileges. As in, I don't have to worry about my ethnicity or my height being an obstacle, so it's not weighing heavily on my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 11:18 PM
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Men can grasp it fine. The anger is coming from the fact that there is a "hard ceiling" for some men. I'm speaking from a position of privilege as a decently tall, socially competent, financially stable, white, average looking man where looks aren't going to impact my prospects that much, so I don't react negatively to the concept of self improvement, because it's not that tall of a mountain, for me, to climb. But yeah, you can't "get gud" yourself out of having an ugly face, being autistic, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 08:05 PM
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Because if they had an active and vibrant social life, they wouldn't be "low quality", they would be medium quality at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 08:56 AM
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Sounds like you don't have enough faith in men to be in a relationship with them. Why not just give up or date women and spare your boyfriend the resentment?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 06:59 PM
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I'm a man, and I couldn't even give you an accurate answer if I only count the ones I know in real life. How you "feel" about your singleness is just not something that's talked about, especially not to or around women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:11 PM
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It's true for most women using dating apps, and this is largely a consequence of the gender imbalance. When you have that many options, why wouldn't you use looks as a choice heuristic?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:01 PM
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Both are stupid lines of thought I see at least on a daily basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 04:59 PM
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u/Mrs_Drgree No incel content!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:38 AM
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Yes, especially when you add compounding factors in, like the fact that Big Machine Records was a relatively small label that had only existed for two years, so they probably needed the capital. Also, TS's father's status and connections as an investment financial advisor to Merrill Lynch, who has access to absurd amounts of capital. "Got her into the music industry" is not the same as "being successful in the music industry", but the latter is still dependent on the former. As for being success…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:14 AM
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I would and do say that of men in the industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 11:18 PM
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She's incredibly talented at singing and songwriting. True, but she also comes from privilege. Her rich daddy bought her way into the music industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 11:00 PM
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They already are among childless, younger age cohorts. The data is skewed by older populations when college was more male dominated as well as women who have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 10:46 PM
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But damn, if I’m single then I must have negative traits myself with your theory so wouldn’t those people just date one another. They often do, but those relationships don't last very long. Very high turnover before being tossed back into the pool again. I have an avoidant attachment style Welp, there it is. That's your negative trait. But I'd say it's only truly (practically?) negative if you're an active participant in dating and refuse to work on it. Or are too solipsistic to acknowledge it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/23 12:55 AM
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"She looks expensive" is a common phrase I've heard with men. Also explains why 7s get approached more than 10s. I think most men know.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 05:55 PM
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The most important selection bias both genders have to grapple with is the over-representation of negative traits in the opposite gender's "singles pool". Those negative traits are the reason these people stay single, so they get constantly recycled back into the pool to ruin someone else's perceptions. Gold-digging, shallow, flaky, and materialistic women probably make up a minority of women, but are really easy to find if you download an app like Tinder. You think you're getting a better sampl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 05:36 PM
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Why wouldn't it apply to dating and relationships as well. Don't looks matter in those spheres too?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 07:55 AM
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Actually, I agree. You don't want a partner that is so jaded they've given up. It probably comes from a place of misandry, and they would make shitty partners anyway. It's like trying to convince a rabid coyote to be a loyal guard dog.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 07:52 AM
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They don't want "casual sex, period" but just 36% of women daters are only looking for a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 06:21 AM
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It has to me as well. I know for certain because I just skipped all that subversive code shit and went straight to Ursula herself. I had built some rapport with the friend, so I figured if the girl wanted to wave me off but didn't have the balls to do it, her friend could just say it to my face. She did and said, "She's not interested," I said "ok, have a nice day" and fucked off to some other corner of the bar. The interested girl ended up finding me 15 mins later and we snuck out the back and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 03:06 AM
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Men cannot really handle this truth. Seriously look at the incels black pill etc.. How do you think a lot of them got there? One of the most common arguments I hear from them is that they feel cheated because they weren't inculcated with the concept that looks are the most important factor in attracting the opposite sex. Maybe if they were taught this at a young age, like women, they wouldn't be so angry. We wouldn’t win if we did anyways. Women are just better off appeasing men than telling the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:24 AM
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Somewhere you guys got lost in SM and also this bad research, speed dating, and online dating will emphasize physical traits moreso than anything else. Obviously, different environments/contexts foster different mediums of getting together. But these studies are more a microcosm for the current dating environment. The "current/modern dating environment" disproportionately affects younger singles because they are the ones more likely to be participating in it. Case in point for this misunderstand…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 09:34 PM
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Just limit the number of matches people can get to around 15ish and, this is key: add a third option to shuffle potentials that don't make the cut back into the stack.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 08:25 PM
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It starts, and ends with personality, that's the greatest common denominator, it's the unified field theory, and tabula rasa of dating. No, it does not. Men (both gay and straight) seem to consciously recognize the importance of physical attractiveness more than women (both straight and lesbian; see Lippa, 2007). However, experimental research, as well as evidence from online dating and speed dating, shows that physical attractiveness is equally important to men and women. Further, attractivenes…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 08:08 PM
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I never said they were the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 05:27 PM
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So we agree. Good thing I never made any assertions or comparisons about which is worse, (and neither did EverVigilant, btw) only that they fall under the same category of "abuse". u/amberday did, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 05:27 PM
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They both fall under the umbrella term of "abuse". Abuse can be further subdivided into categories of physical abuse, financial abuse, emotional abuse, etc. So... not a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 05:25 PM
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Is being yelled at and belittled the same as being punched in the face? Are both abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 05:01 PM
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In terms of sexual harassment charges or being blown up on social media as a creep? Near zero. In terms of earning a bad reputation and torpedoing your chances of dating within your social circle? High enough to instill extremely cautious attitudes towards trying. Personally, I like going out with my friends and I'd like to keep going out with them. I've got a pretty good thing going for me right now and every once in a while I'll meet some new people, make a good first impression, and get invit…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 08:49 AM
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BC can fail though. My point is that it minimizes the risk which makes women more open to hook ups. It’s no coincidence that the sexual revolution followed the introduction of the birth control pill. Ok, so we agree. I linked a study which showed that most hook ups between strangers involved alcohol consumption. I never refuted, nor do I disagree, with those studies' statistics or conclusions. Where do we disagree? Okay even if that is true it doesn’t mean that MOST casual hook ups involve this …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:39 AM
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Most women engage in casual sex because they are drunk and/or high and have impaired judgment. It could also be due to low self esteem and seeking validation, (yep just like men some women actually do measure their self worth by their sexual desirability). Actually, I agree. The likelihood of casual sex happening is more context dependent and not solely determined by how purely physically attracted she is to a guy. Also BC exists. Whenever a guy says this, you usually get the same "b-b-but BC ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 11:15 PM
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That would be an example of the "other factors at play" I mentioned. I don't believe social stigmatization by itself is a significant factor in why women decide not to pursue casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 10:58 PM
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I said how they're often portrayed in media. That they have trauma, not that they are trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 10:44 PM
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If the risk for sex between men and women were the same, do you think it would change those numbers? At first, I wanted to answer, "yeah, probably a bit due to social/cultural factors", but now that I think of it, why would it? We have more avenues to mitigate risks to women engaging in casual sex now than ever before. Pregnancy? Birth control pill, IUDs, and condoms. STDs? Asking a new sex partner to get tested isn't a hard ask anymore. Social stigmatization? Anonymous casual sex encounters are…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 10:42 PM
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Bipolar = higher propensity to inflict trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 10:24 PM
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How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 09:38 PM
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It just seems more like something men do to impress each other. And you would be correct. It's an aspect of it but not the whole thing. There's certainly a level of status that being able to have casual sex gives you with other men. It doesn't even have to extend to casual sex, simply dancing or making out with a hottie on the dance floor can earn you a lot of respect from other men. It's not just that women find relationships validating either, we're also shamed for having casual sex and pressu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 09:36 PM
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Movies actually tend to glamorize mental illness. Characters with autism always tend to be savants or have some quirk or cute oddity that makes them endearing to audiences. Bipolar and Cluster Bs always have to have a mountain of trauma to make audiences more sympathetic, but they never show them reverting to self-destructive behaviors at the end of the movie, which is what happens most of the time in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 09:25 PM
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I've never met a man who was able to find casual sex easily struggle to get into a relationship. Staying in those relationships is a different story. Unlike women, as a man, your desirability as a casual sex partner is highly (or at least more) correlated to your desirability as a long-term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 09:01 PM
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Men and women both tend to pedestalize what makes them feel the most validated and desired. For women, that happens to be relationships, which makes sense. A person committing to be with you and build a future with you is pretty validating, and most men who have been in love with their long term partners can relate. But women don’t exactly have a parallel experience for casual sex, so it's hard to map on to. Think about the way women talk about the general "man" in a romantic/sexual context. Wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 08:55 PM
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People make fun of looks because it's low hanging fruit. Men do it to men. Women do it to men. Men sometimes do it to women, I'm sure, but 95% of the denigrating stuff I've heard about women's looks and body... has come from another woman. (I.e. "those pants make her look fat" or "that shirt makes her look slutty". Stuff like that.) Birds of a feather flock together. Maybe times have changed, but the average young man's locker room talk in my social circles nowadays consists of mostly gay jokes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 07:32 PM
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Yep, I don't want women to settle. Jaded women, delusional women, misandrist women, etc. are already non-options/lost causes. You can't change them, they have to want to change themselves. Their trust in men is so low that they suffer from a psychological effect known as negative sentiment override, so any attempt at trying to convice them otherwise is futile, especially if it's coming from a man. Asking me (not saying you are, just generally) to consider these women as potential romantic prospe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 05:36 AM
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The default assumption that our looks standards aren't already broad or diverse. Yeah, that's why I don't like assuming. It's the gender-reversed situation of "If you're struggling to date women, you probably have a shit personality/aren't emotionally intelligent" directed at men. Or the assumption that we can force ourselves to be attracted to people if we do have a type. Again, it depends. Some women are hot enough to afford to have a very particular type and find success. Some are not. Hot wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 04:57 AM
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Cynics self-selecting themselves out of the gene pool makes me hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 04:29 AM
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In real life, I have never, in my whole life, heard a man say any of those things. In fact, I've only heard those things be asserted by women who claim men hold women to "impossible beauty standards." Maybe stop hate-reading incel/RP forums?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 04:24 AM
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Depends on the person. There are some delusional people out there. The more real-life experience I gotten, the more I think women with low standards, both for themselves and their partners, vastly outnumber the few "I want a supermodel millionaire husband" types that get farmed out to rage-bait channels. When men say "lower your standards", what they really mean most of the time is lower your looks standards. Now, I personally don't like presumptions wrapped in blanket advice, but there is somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 04:03 AM
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An over 40 year old book that has ever decreasing amounts of relevance to people living in modern progressive Western nations. I'll give her credit though, I agree wholeheartedly with some of her critiques, and many of her others if I squint hard enough. But yeah, who knows what Dworkin would've thought about OnlyFans and the rise of women led porn production companies?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 10:08 PM
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Globally, this statistic is probably true. In the developed West, it's probably a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 07:31 PM
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Dating people within your social circle has gotten more complicated, I think. I'm in a similar situation as OC btw. Mainly due to the infrequency that people actually get together in the post-pandemic era. I meet single women in real life so infrequently that it just feels like a toned down version of OLD where I feel this immense pressure to impress and have instant chemistry because you're probably not going to see them again. Everything is very on the down-low now with guys. We don't talk abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 04:29 PM
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I was referring to the comment yasuo made.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 05:05 PM
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No, you're arguing about nothing. Quit with self-congratulatory truisms of "men need to add value to a women's life". We know. You're not some wise sage imparting revelatory wisdom onto the youngin's that can't seem to "get it." Because you know who agrees with that statement? Blackpillers. It's just that said "value" looks. You know who else agrees with that statement? RedPillers. It's just that said "value" is charisma, frame, status, and looks, in addition to money. Are ya starting to see why…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 06:03 AM
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Dude, you didn't need to write two paragraphs explaining that women want men that add value to their lives. Like, no shit. No one is debating that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 04:45 AM
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OC was saying how standards would adjust if OLD went away. Seems pretty relevant given OLD is a pretty wide dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 04:43 AM
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the researchers discovered that men are equally discerning when it comes to the women they'd like to see again no matter how many people are in a speed-dating pool. Their standards remain unchanged whether they meet 10 or 20 potential partners. Women, on the other hand, become pickier the more partners are "on the market." https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/2018/02/12/in-experiments-researchers-figured-out-what-men-and-women-really-want-in-mate/14822914007/ Some non-PC indications of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 02:10 AM
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hell statistics are showing that a single woman with a 4-year degree is much happier alone than to be in a long-term relationship. Where do the statistics show that? (Btw, any statistic you cite that does not differentiate between happy relationships and bad relationships is worthless. Like, no shit, everyone will agree: good relationship > single > bad relationship)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 01:54 AM
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I'm curious, if the date with the coworker wasn't soured by the fact that you found out he was still married, would you have interpreted the interaction any differently? Seems almost banal since you were facing away from him and he could've been checking his watch or phone, but again, I don't know if there were other nonverbal cues that set you off. Most men glance on dates, as do women I'd imagine, but the "eyes widening" sounds a bit weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 12:59 AM
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That would be the other "gender neutral" dimension of conventional attractiveness I'm talking about. Imagine an x-y axis where the x-axis represents a sliding scale of masculinity to femininity for women (or femininity to masculinity for men), and the y-axis represents the level of broad appeal to the opposite gender. For men assessing women, the y-axis caps out at 95%, but for women assessing men, it's probably much lower. When you picture a woman who has good skin, nice eyes, good hair, good p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 10:46 PM
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The overwhelming majority of attractive women don’t post thirst traps. Most young, attractive women I know do. And I don't follow IG models or OF girls either, just girls I met through friends. I'd say about 75% have private IG pages though. The overwhelming majority of male attention however goes to to women that do. Their thirst traps get no male attention. Literally zero aside from likes. It's just other women they're friend's with gassing them up in the comments. Maybe their DMs are a differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 09:53 PM
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Those are extreme examples. I've talked to enough women to know it's 99% of the time a lot more subtle. Lingering gazes, hugs that last too long, innuendos, conversations that uncomfortably drift in the sexual direction. Exiting those situations gracefully and safely is a social skill. Not justifying any of that objectifying behavior, but it does force women to be more "in tune" with what's happening around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 08:39 PM
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This one?: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090626153511.htm Isn't the answer is obvious? A man's physical attractiveness is not directly proportional to his masculinity, whereas women's physical attractiveness is more directly related to her femininity. There's effectively an "extra dimension" to how we rate male attractiveness, and the most attractive men have a harmonious polarity of both masculine and feminine features.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 08:04 PM
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Good. That's why I'm thankful for Feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 05:48 PM
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Fine, I'll do you one better: Men should stop complaining as well and send all of you an edible arrangement and a gift card for not subjecting another man to your toxicity. Everyone's better off with you out of the market and not breeding, thereby passing your shitty genes onto the generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 05:24 PM
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Wanting to help people or give them things is not “love bombing” sometimes people just like to give a lot to others. Again, you're conflating the early stages of a relationship (i.e. dating) with the relationship writ large. It is okay if you don’t do that. What is not okay is to then say women don’t contribute to relationships while complaining that I contribute too much 😭 I never said relationships, I said "early relationships". Emphasis on early.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 04:43 PM
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Nope lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 12:18 PM
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So leave! Go live on an island or commune with other like-minded women and stop complaining. Just like MGTOW, you're like the annoying awkward guy at the party who keeps saying "I'm leaving!" thinking anyone still cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 12:18 PM
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I'm sure it's not hard to find a few exceptions to general trends and rules. If you're ugly, you're going to struggle. A lot. This isn't even a blackpill talking point, it's a universal truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 12:36 AM
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Good for them. I'm not denying average looking couples exist. Just that a lot of these self-proclaimed "decent looking guys" aren't as "decent looking" as they think they are. Most of them are way into below-average territory. And yeah, even if you're an average looking guy, dating apps are going to suck for you. Average couples still exist because people still meet and pair up through social networks, although even those forms of pairing up are declining.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 12:18 AM
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Sorry, but I've seen too many men eviscerated (often rightly) for calling off an engagement at the last second. The rebuttal to their excuses is usually "you should've known before you got engaged". But I guess we can all clap and endlessly affirm when it's a woman because she finally "found herself".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:08 PM
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I don't know what the purpose of most TwoX-derivative talking points are other than to catastrophize and attempt convince other women men hate them. "Men need to stop being so insecure if their wives make more than they do." "Yeah ok, fair. Women make their own money now, so I understand the tradeoff that comes with that is men needing to contribute more with household duties." "Yeah, but even if he says he's okay with picking up extra household duties, they'll revert to being a lazy slob, feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:02 PM
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Why? The number of men who do well in the casual sex market is small, but so is the number of women actively participating in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:24 PM
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The reason it's missing is because they think of it as something that they don't have. That's a deficiency and that's what turns women off. I see a lot of these posts and got in the habit of checking their post history. Usually, there will be a slightly older post asking other users to rate their OLD pics. That deficiency they think they have? Yeah, it's usually looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:20 PM
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You still failed by wasting your fiance's time when he could've been looking for someone who wanted that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:14 PM
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Depends on how you define success. Some guys get lucky and have it once or twice a year. Some guys have multiple FWBs and a rotating roster of fuckbuddies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:58 PM
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Ever heard of the "office hot" phenomenon? Cutest Guy in the Office Not Even Particularly Attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:11 PM
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Income and wealth inequality in the west is constantly growing and I wondered if that extends to other things too, like attractiveness. 100% it does. The rich man-trophy wife is a stereotype for a reason. Wealthier people can also afford things like orthodontics/palate spreaders, better family healthcare plans to proactively address breathing issues so you dont end up like this, healthier and more balanced diets. Wealthier households can afford to have (usually) the wife take off work and drive …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:07 PM
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So give up and stop complaining. See ya! Bye! Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 08:55 PM
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If I wanted a kid: why would I bother having one with a husband instead of getting a sperm donor and raising one myself since y’all are so adamant the man shouldn’t have to lift a finger at home? Go for it, since the consensus here is that relationships with men are a lost cause anyway. Just have the decency to fork over the extra money for sex-selected IVF so you aren't raising a son.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 08:54 PM
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I said: Men adopt the same cultural values and views of gender roles as their parents, always and forever. To which you surprisingly agreed: Agreed that’s something I learned no matter what they say or think. And now you want to walk it back by saying "well maybe not all men, maybe younger men..." Pick a lane. Are men unchangeable robots with factory settings, or aren't we? I'm not angry, I'm just calling out your thinly veiled sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 07:21 PM
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That has just been my personal experience. I don't think the men are lying, I think they do believe they are okay with it, but when push comes to shove they revert back. They have been taught that a man's value is in his ability to provide and so if they are not the provider they don't feel safe or happy in the relationship. Then women should stop complaining about men not being able to provide in other ways (i.e. emotionally) since I guess we're unchangeable robots stuck with our factory settin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 06:58 PM
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Oh, ok so "always and forever" except for special circumstances. Any other special circumstances you'd like to add? Like growing up in a socially conservative household and turning away from those values because you don't agree with them? Or just coming to the logical conclusion that it's harder to raise a family on a single income, so the man is more comfortable with not being the primary breadwinner? Anything at all? Did she have a college education? Yes. Did she go back to work when she was w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 05:44 PM
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Sorry my mom couldn't work because of recurring cancer diagnoses and multiple rounds of chemo when I was 5 to 15. Guess that means I want my future wife to just be a bangmaid, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 04:55 PM
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Just we cause we don’t know why the rates of autism are increasing doesn’t mean that’s not gonna be a hindrance to those who are getting dates. Yeah, obviously. There's just no use in pointing out a rise of autism diagnoses when we have no cure for it. Whataboutism as expected! No, not a whataboutism. It's an agreement with added context. Obesity epidemic is affecting both men and women at near equal rates. Porn addiction is not just an effect. The average age boys start looking at porn is like …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 03:35 PM
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If Mom was stay at home, forget about it. Men adopt the same cultural values and views of gender roles as their parents, always and forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:44 PM
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What do you mean by opportunistic? Even in scenarios where the guy is making the first move involves a level of opportunism: waiting for the right time, the right moment, the right signals so the risk of rejection is as low as it can be?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 04:17 AM
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rates of autism are increasing True, but autism is something you're born with, not a personality flaw. No one knows why it's increasing or what to do about it. rates of obesity are increasing Also true, but they've gone way up for women as well. Curiously, 2017-2018 marked the first year men's obesity rate surpassed women's. rates of college education are decreasing What about men pursuing vocational schools/training instead? The number of men in dead-end jobs seems to have gone up, but this is …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 04:00 AM
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NYC has such an anomalous dating market, I don't even think it should be brought up in discussing the wider trends in modern dating That friend of yours needs to move before drawing any conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 03:41 AM
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Celebrity crushes are a terrible litmus test. They represent beauty ideals, nearly everyone has them, and most people in relationships are realistic and fine with their partner not checking all their preference boxes related to physical appearance. I hope a woman in an otherwise happy relationship who reads this doesn't start needless drama because her boyfriend/husband's celebrity crushes don't look like her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 03:14 AM
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The men I know in real life who are struggling are struggling for obvious reasons. And I'll give you a hint, it isn't their personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:57 AM
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The problem is the absolute shit messaging from the other side: "My body, my choice!" I mean, clearly, it's not technically "your body", even though your body is the one responsible for nurturing and developing the fetus into a fully formed human. Doesn't mean ending a life, even a human life with human DNA is necessarily immoral though. Buzzwords and catchy phrases are easier to say than having a meta-ethics conversation, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 06:46 PM
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I'd imagine it's not great for any single man's confidence, which erodes any semblance of hope, which in turn affects a willingness to learn. The silver-lining I think for a lot of struggling men is that a lot of women are in a similar situation. I swear, over the past five years, I feel like I've seen more and more women in their late 20s and 30s who have never had a boyfriend or are virgins. Many of them are really attractive too. The loneliness epidemic is most likely hitting men harder, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 06:19 PM
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I wouldn't call an ongoing 3-year LTR serial monogamy. Just monogamy at that point. I was always under the impression serial monogamy was the habit of getting into somewhat short-term relationships one after the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:39 PM
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Women do, in fact, become pickier the larger the dating pool is. And when you are on OLD, that pool is pretty huge. the researchers discovered that men are equally discerning when it comes to the women they’d like to see again no matter how many people are in a speed-dating pool. Their standards remain unchanged whether they meet 10 or 20 potential partners. Women, on the other hand, become pickier the more partners are “on the market.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/02/12/in-e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:18 PM
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Both unsuccessful men (and women who have had bad experiences with OLD apps) assume the confident bad boys are way more abundant than they actually are because they see more "churn" in and out of dating pools. I think there is still a lingering bias for men to measure "success" in terms of the quantity of romantic/sexual partners instead of the quality. The pattern is: get into a relationship/situationship -> start showing toxic traits -> ghost/break up -> repeat. Meanwhile, the confident good g…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 04:25 PM
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I did a couple of times. Very achievable if you date far enough below you in terms of either looks or status. I wasn't seeing these girls just to boost my ego though. One was in high school and kept pestering her friends to date her. I eventually relented because she was nice, somewhat attractive, and wanted to see if it could work. It didn't, and I was vilified by her friends for "leading her on" even though it was their idea, but I did certainly get a confidence boost from her being obsessed w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 06:22 PM
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If the house is mortgaged, any money going towards "rent", even if the mortgage is only under someone else's name, entitles the person paying said rent to some equity in the property. So yes, I would want my wife/girlfriend to assist with the mortgage knowing full well that if we were to divorce/break-up, she would be entitled monetarily to the equity proportional to what she paid in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 06:05 PM
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Ironic, because in the Disney movie, Quasimodo falls in love with Esmaralda, but Esmaralda falls in love with the more attractive, heroic side character instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 05:46 PM
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I don’t believe it’s atypical to buy your partner things/take care of them. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's atypical to display a high amount of investment in the early stages of dating. Doing so would probably be a bad idea because it gets into "love bombing" territory. Obviously, once a relationship is established, there is some reasonable expectation of high mutual emotional/material investment. The bare minimum is being able to hold a conversation and demonstrate a little bit of …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:40 PM
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Third from the right on the 4 list is a 4 to you? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:03 PM
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I agree it's a non-issue. If a mid/ugly woman is so delusional to think she is entitled to relationships with celebrity men just because she once had sex with one, she is a de facto genetic dead end and won't pass on her delusional genes onto the next generation. She actually barely registers as human to me, much less an eligible partner. She is, and forever will be, a lost cause. There's no real epidemic of women getting "alpha widowed" by celebs, so why worry?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:18 PM
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These women aren't like this because they were gypped by hot guys. By their own admission, they are like this because they were gypped by ugly or mid men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:31 PM
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Examples: https://ibb.co/C6WP617 https://ibb.co/yQx75pV https://ibb.co/ZTJ9vn2 https://ibb.co/B30MBJQ https://ibb.co/vDVGYtF https://ibb.co/1s3MZvg https://ibb.co/6ZSpgsS https://ibb.co/mTWQJDw
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:15 PM
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No, I'm seeing it applied to long-term relationships. Harder to get heart-broken or feel like you've wasted your time when when you're in a short term, NSA situationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:08 PM
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The level of investment you describe is extremely atypical in the context of early heterosexual dating. It's probably an entirely different dynamic with lesbians.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:36 PM
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You're conflating the qualities of the man vs. how he treats the woman. Getting pumped and dumped by a 5'10" man doesn't make women go "oh gee, I'll only date 6 ft tall guys now" I'm starting to see self-admitted variations of that sentiment more and more, even from women on this sub. I.e.: Woman "lowers her standards" for a certain guy. Relationship/situationship crashes and burns. Woman vows to only ever date "hot men" because being treated like shit feels better coming from a hot guy than an …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:30 PM
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This is a relatively new revelation by men and it’s been hard to digest as men seem more to aim their sexuality at women instead of a collaborative effort I don't know what you mean by this since sex is inherently collaborative. A part of that dance is one party "presenting" themselves to the other as an interested party and seeing where things go. Toss in gender roles, women's "contextual" libido, women's health & safety concerns, and men's higher base sex drive well... I mean, is anyone surpri…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:02 PM
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Men are clueless about that. We often talk about sex with our female friends though. But talking about sex, initiating sexy subjects, sexy jokes with men like men often do with their female and male mixed group of friends? We cannot. Women are expected to not talk about their sex drives, to not have too much sex drive, it’s very heavy and very real. And it has huge consequences Aside from tongue-in-cheek gay jokes, men don't talk about sex that much. Both to our other male friends, and especiall…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:26 PM
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He said early relationships. Frequent lack of effort/investment in the early dating stages has been noticed by even women that date other women. It's not even a complaint limited to the manosphere or RP types. Where there's smoke, there's probably fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:17 PM
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FakeNewsFredo hit the nail on the head with his comment on this thread. In real life, most men aren't catastrophizing over a false SA allegation or having our failed approaches broadcasted for strangers to see on social media. Mixed gender social groups of people we know on a personal basis are a panopticon of their own. Risk aversion and control over our social standings is the primary culprit, not intense fearmongering from fringe manosphere figures. Socially speaking, everything post-pandemic…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:04 PM
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You reap what you sow.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:27 PM
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The truth men don’t like to admit is they like when women wear make up. I'll freely admit this as a man. Makeup absolutely does make you look better. But I'm still split between viewing makeup as a quasi-superpower and a heavy societal expectation/burden. Must be nice for it to be socially acceptable to put on makeup and boost your attractiveness by 1 to 2 points. But on the other hand, everyone expects you to wear it and judges you if you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:27 PM
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In the military. Short, very boyish looking guy named Kyle has a crush on a girl named Danielle who is apparently bisexual. He admits he has feelings for her, but she shuts him down gently, claiming she's now fully lesbian and doesn't have any attraction to men anymore. Since the apparent reason for his rejection seems out of his control, he accepts it and they remain friends. Danielle later gets a girlfriend. Cool. They eventually break up, and she starts sleeping with another female instructor…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:03 PM
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You should find that married woman's husband and tell him. Anonymously, if you're worried about any backfire.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:37 PM
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Roosh V and Strauss would never say “dump your gf and wait until you get rich and commit to one woman!” They would say keep her and cheat. Roosh maybe, but Strauss, idk. Dude is erratic; he renounced the PUA community as a bunch of stuck-up primadonnas, claimed monogamy was the right way, fell in love with his childhood sweetheart, then proceeded to cheat on her within six months of the release of The Game with her best friend. Then, he got married in 2013 to some fake, Barbie-looking model and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:49 AM
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Apples and oranges comparison. I don't know how much default blame you can put on foster moms for the kids being traumatized as they've probably been through the system and experienced a bunch of other fucked up stuff before they ever got to the foster mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 10:13 PM
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Anyone who has been able to overcome this in some way please explain how you pulled that off. In terms of general, gender-neutral advice, you touch grass more and avoid subs and/or forms of social media that keep pushing outrage bait in front of your face. If you find yourself falling into the "I hate all men" rabbit hole, it's trickier because there are some (SOME) women who I truly believe are beyond saving. I'm slowly and painfully reading this book called "How to Date Men When You Hate Men" …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 10:05 PM
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Because I'm responding and operating under the commenter above me's presumptions of attachment issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 12:18 AM
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Because if they were, they wouldn't be dating or be in a serious long-term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 05:58 PM
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Those women in their 20’s that you claim are serial monogamists (without any proof i might add) aren’t consciously choosing to be that way. They're making the conscious decision to not put in the work to improve their situations. They are hurt people hurting people. Like mental health, attachment issues may not be your fault, but they are your responsibility. I have as much sympathy for them as I do their male "player" counterparts, probably even less because they use their 🎆 trauma 🎆 to justify…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:47 PM
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No, the entire world is an 80's high school movie. The only good-looking men play football and wear letterman jackets all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:26 PM
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✍️Enter women's restrooms and dressing rooms unsolicited to observe women's positive behavior.✍️ Ok, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:20 PM
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Hot college-aged women date and hookup with hot college-aged men. Most aren't into the sugar baby thing. College really is the best possible social environment for meeting other singles. Most women aren't going to waste their time on alternatives like OLD apps, if only for validation/entertainment. You're sort of right in that if you're 18yo freshman male, you also have to compete against 22yo seniors for mates. So it is hard. Very hard, in fact. But not because of the age as much as the immatur…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:16 PM
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Average TwoXChromosomes post
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 09:51 PM
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Wearing attractive things does not mean women are objectifying themselves at all. Yes, I know. Objectification, by definition, requires at least two parties: the objectifier and the person being objectified. Because we will be objectified no matter what we do or what we wear. Objectification is something that is done to us by men Theft is something done to us by other people. Theft happens in nearly all countries to most people at least once in their life, but you don't see a lot of people blami…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 10:42 PM
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I agree with you. I read a comment here recently about the reason why women tell men to meet potential mates through friends is that it is more comfortable to women; whether the man actually finds what he's looking for or wasted a ludicrous amount of mental/emotional energy in the affair is entirely incidental. They don't realize the reason we want to move a bit faster is to polarize and figure out if pursuing is even worth our time. I'm not saying men should be coming on hot and heavy to every …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 10:09 PM
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I've found men where women "cover up more" are just as thirsty and male gazey as anyone No, they're not. They're more "thirsty and male gazey". You're comparing countries with radically different cultural attitudes of women and their place in society; it has nothing to do with the "default state" of men. Idk if this is what you're actually saying, but this is what I'm interpreting if you think the average Egyptian man is just as thirsty and objectifying as the average American man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 09:35 PM
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You know if the apps are going to work for you in the first couple of days. Haven't used them in years but thinking of hopping back on. What's the litmus test you use for telling whether they are going to work for you as a man and as a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 09:20 PM
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You can not come onto someone too hard, take all the right steps in the "friends-to-lovers" route, and still face social ostracization.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 09:11 PM
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I agree with you but dating apps aren't going anywhere. Despite all their downsides, what they do offer is a substantially wider pool of potential single men and convenience. Managing and growing a social network requires effort, extroversion, and a decent amount of free time, which all seem to be in short supply. Swiping on an app in your PJs while watching Netflix after a long day at work is always going to be easier than putting on your makeup, choosing an outfit, and going out to whatever ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 08:31 PM
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