ByFoxfire Archive

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275	Man Spent 25 Years Falsely Imprisoned for Rape, Now Exonerated, May Have to Pay $334,000 in Back Child Support	False Accusation	ByFoxfire	/r/MensRights	06/11/15 05:55 AM

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9	New York Times devotes a column to the question: "Why do men talk too much?" From Andrew Cone in the comment section: "I think men and women are reacting to different explanations. When men can not answer and account for each of their thoughts and actions, they are given little sympathy. If [they] do not look authoritative, they are deemed dumb—by men and women alike. Women, meanwhile, are often cast as creatures of emotion and intuition, neither required nor expected to show expertise. So their statements are given less weight. So men talk more, and yes, that gets domin…	/r/MensRights	21/04/16 12:58 AM
1	Shaming Men Doesn't Build Healthy Sexuality: When your only tool is hatred towards men, the solution to every problem is to hate them more. Egoism is a nonsensical redefinition of the concepts of selfishness and selflessness. If literally all actions were selfish in the normal sense of the word, people would have no use for the word. "Motivated" and "selfish" would be synonymous. You talk about "brain rewards..." More or less, if your brain rewards you for helping others without needing reciprocation, then you're not selfish. If your brain rewards you for helping yourself and doesn't reward you for helping others, then you are selfi…	/r/MensRights	21/04/16 12:07 AM
1	Should dads-to-be have the right to opt out of parenting? You're arguing that women should be able to force men to financially support children they didn't agree to have because there is a relatively small subgroup of women that only has access to the same birth control men have access to? WHAT? Should a man be able to surrender paternal obligations because there weren't any condoms around? Holy shit. We're talking about legal rights. Women have the legal right to kill my kid without my consent, "but the clinic was overbooked and so far away and muh an…	/r/MensRights	06/04/16 03:03 AM
1	Should dads-to-be have the right to opt out of parenting? If a poor couple decides to have a baby they can't really afford, best of luck to them and the baby. That's when they call the relatives, pick up second jobs, get into vocational training or community college, go to food shelves, get on public assistance, etc. But we're talking about a woman, regardless of financial status, having the right to force a man, regardless of financial status, to financially support a child he didn't want and often has no access to under penalty of imprisonment. "Bein…	/r/MensRights	06/04/16 01:19 AM
2	Should dads-to-be have the right to opt out of parenting? You made an assertion about why women dismiss men's opinions on the basis of their sex. I made an assertion about why women dismiss men's opinions on the basis of their sex. Neither of us provided any kind of data to support our assertions. You don't get to demand evidence from me without providing any yourself. This issue won't be settled here, but long story short, I think plenty of people of all different ideologies will find dishonest, lazy ways to win arguments in order to get what they wan…	/r/MensRights	06/04/16 12:22 AM
1	Should dads-to-be have the right to opt out of parenting? No. Women's desire to maximize their reproductive freedom and control while minimizing their reproductive obligations is what leads women to dismiss men's opinions about their own reproductive rights. Women dismiss men's opinions on these matters because they don't want to let go of their unearned privilege, tee hee. Fuck off back to r/againstmensrights, please. "You have to go back."	/r/MensRights	05/04/16 11:12 PM
1	Should dads-to-be have the right to opt out of parenting? "I can't afford contraception or abortion, but having/raising a child is even more expensive, so I'd better have the baby and force the (putative) father to pay for it while I live on state assistance." Holy shit. Found the woman.	/r/MensRights	05/04/16 11:05 PM
1	Should dads-to-be have the right to opt out of parenting? A man can absolutely be forced into parenthood. You can't force him to parent, but you can force him to be a parent. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/parenthood http://www.dictionary.com/browse/parent	/r/MensRights	05/04/16 10:28 PM
1	Swedish Law Would Allow Men To Back Out Of Fatherhood A comment doesn't have to be non-factual to be retarded. You can make comments that are logically irrelevant to the issue at hand while posturing as though you've made a good point. You can make an invalid argument without stating a falsehood. You can string together facts in a way that betrays a misunderstanding not explicitly stated. Some of the justifications for abortion - both those upheld in a legal context and those cited by women who, you know, actually get abortions - probably are broad…	/r/MensRights	05/04/16 10:12 PM
1	Swedish Law Would Allow Men To Back Out Of Fatherhood "I made a retarded comment. If you down-vote me you, you prove me right haha."	/r/MensRights	05/04/16 02:04 AM
10	NYT: "Teaching Men to be Emotionally Honest" Michael Kimmel is a master gaslighter of young men. Video games as an affirmation of our tenuous power. LOL. We get more respect by disrespecting young women. Holy shit. The worst part is how he reportedly shakes his head when the young male student asserts that women are just as culpable for the nature of hookup culture as men. Sounds like the guy just reported an accurate observation based on his experience and Kimmel had to shut him down because basically Kimmel is an old-school paternalist w…	/r/MensRights	05/04/16 01:41 AM
1	NYT: "Teaching Men to be Emotionally Honest" The antidote, ironically, is actual Stoicism. For women too.	/r/MensRights	05/04/16 01:21 AM
3	A Mom Publicly Shamed Her Son For Sharing a Sexist Post on Facebook — And It's Going Viral Ah yes. Meninism, PUA, MGTOW, TFL, masculism, anti-feminism = men's rights. That never gets old.	/r/MensRights	01/04/16 01:07 AM
1	Socialists and Marxists are the deadly enemy of men's rights. Do not be deceived This isn't news.	/r/MensRights	28/03/16 01:32 AM
1	A professor of philosophy has a challenge for feminists I have a degree in the field. I've given my impressions based on experience and my evaluations of the arguments.	/r/MensRights	02/12/15 12:51 AM
1	Male Definition of Masculinity Is a Surprise - Toxic Masculinity Debunked If you identify with your gender role, you have a gender identity. Being the breadwinner doesn't even make a man a man, other than metaphorically, let alone make a woman a man. Identifying with or as something doesn't make you that thing.	/r/MensRights	01/12/15 11:38 PM
0	A professor of philosophy has a challenge for feminists There are indeed "a number" of them.	/r/MensRights	01/12/15 11:11 PM
0	A professor of philosophy has a challenge for feminists OK let's just say "out of favor with people who study philosophy professionally" and leave it at that.	/r/MensRights	25/11/15 08:19 PM
1	Male Definition of Masculinity Is a Surprise - Toxic Masculinity Debunked WTF you have given absolutely no reason to think that men don't have gender roles. Maybe you could argue that men's role was replaced by advanced technology and civil society, but that's not your argument. The female's reproductive role puts her in a vulnerable state where she can't protect and provide for herself as effectively. Male's reproductive role doesn't have that cost, so he makes himself useful through protection and provision. This dynamic has been going on so fucking long that it's r…	/r/MensRights	25/11/15 08:14 PM
1	A professor of philosophy has a challenge for feminists My point was not that these two positions are incompatible, but that they're both philosophically ridiculous.	/r/MensRights	25/11/15 07:57 PM
0	A professor of philosophy has a challenge for feminists This philosophy professor is a not only a Platonist but a Christian? No offense, but I'm getting mixed signals here LOL.	/r/MensRights	10/11/15 04:09 AM
1	Male Definition of Masculinity Is a Surprise - Toxic Masculinity Debunked Gender identity came from the pressure to survive and reproduce, not the pressure to "fit in." Male and female animals experience different evolutionary pressures; human culture perpetuates ways of coping with those pressures. When humans achieve a rare level of safety and prosperity, those pressures alleviate, and thus the cultural structures designed to cope with those pressures either become unnecessary or even self-defeating. If you think the only distinctive thing about males is that they d…	/r/MensRights	10/11/15 04:07 AM
0	A professor of philosophy has a challenge for feminists I think you're assuming that men are better at combat roles while women are better at support roles. Frankly, I have no reason to think that women are better at support roles. There's a minority of women with outstanding skills, of course, but in general I don't think women on average would be better in technical roles, maintenance, communications, engineering, or even culinary fields. Basically men can do all those jobs just as well as women but they are better in combat than women, i.e. men ar…	/r/MensRights	10/11/15 03:50 AM
1	So my mother asked me why I'm single and don't seem to be looking... Friendly advice, DumbFuck. Sometimes people over-generalize when they're talking about how they've been hurt. They get cynical. If you care enough to comment on it in the first place, just correct it and move on. You could've said something like, "Not all women have entitlement complexes. Lots of women work for a living and have no intention to stop doing so. From now on stay away from Daddy's Little Princess and only associate with women who have dignity, strength, and discipline." That would'v…	/r/MensRights	10/11/15 02:17 AM
1	So my mother asked me why I'm single and don't seem to be looking... Nobody said "all."	/r/MensRights	10/11/15 01:54 AM
4	So my mother asked me why I'm single and don't seem to be looking... LOL the bottom keeps the house!	/r/MensRights	10/11/15 01:48 AM
7	So my mother asked me why I'm single and don't seem to be looking... You don't want to fuck people over when you're in love with them, but love is fleeting. Having principles is what keeps you from fucking people over just because you stopped loving them.	/r/MensRights	10/11/15 01:41 AM
0	A professor of philosophy has a challenge for feminists The problem with the feminist definition of patriarchy is that it assumes that gender roles and/or male dominance are unjust. That should be the conclusion of an argument, not an assumption. The draft is bad because it forces people to fight in wars against their will, not because it rests on the objectively TRUE supposition that men are better at waging war than women. A "social mechanism" that puts men and women in EQUAL military roles is measurably inferior to one that tends to put more men i…	/r/MensRights	09/11/15 06:35 PM
2	As a man, do you find typical, tall, buff, male, 6-pack mannequins as unfair "unrealistic" beauty standards? For most people, there's a huge chasm between their standards and their ideals. Most people's ideal body is either physically unattainable or not worth the cost of attaining. Likewise, most people do not "expect" to be with a physically perfect partner. Obviously most people would like to be with a 10; that doesn't mean they reject anybody who isn't a 10. Attraction just isn't the type of thing which can be realistic or unrealistic. It's either there or it isn't. It's a matter of taste. I love t…	/r/MensRights	07/11/15 04:10 PM
3	Male Definition of Masculinity Is a Surprise - Toxic Masculinity Debunked I think feminism is one of the largest sources of stereotypes about men.	/r/MensRights	07/11/15 03:47 PM
1	Male Definition of Masculinity Is a Surprise - Toxic Masculinity Debunked Right? Feminists think gender roles have a strangle-hold on everyone in society...	/r/MensRights	07/11/15 03:46 PM
2	Male Definition of Masculinity Is a Surprise - Toxic Masculinity Debunked ...Yes, or the immature, often destructive, over-compensation for the lack of one or all of these traits.	/r/MensRights	07/11/15 03:37 PM
2	Man Spent 25 Years Falsely Imprisoned for Rape, Now Exonerated, May Have to Pay $334,000 in Back Child Support Ironically, you are falsely accusing people of expressing hatred of rape victims. A few people lamented the fact that people "always believe women." That is obviously not an expression of hatred directed toward rape victims (I assume you mean female rape victims). If anything it is more an expression of frustration or disappointment at "white knights." You could have just corrected people's inaccurate assumptions and maintained the intellectual and moral high ground, but then you made the extra …	/r/MensRights	07/11/15 02:32 AM
4	Man Spent 25 Years Falsely Imprisoned for Rape, Now Exonerated, May Have to Pay $334,000 in Back Child Support "There is no issue with false accusations here." You are correct that some people (apparently!) didn't bother to read the actual article and are making assumptions, but your statement here is not true either. You cannot be convicted of a crime in the absence of a criminal allegation. "False accusation" does not merely refer to perjury. Someone can falsely accuse you of a crime without knowing that their accusation is false. False accusation can be the result of an honest misidentification. False…	/r/MensRights	07/11/15 01:17 AM
1	Carly Fiorina says modern feminism is causing women & men to go to war with each other and drive votes for left-wing politics Please, we all know you don't have to PLAY the gender card; everyone else plays it for you in the way they treat you.	/r/MensRights	06/11/15 06:08 AM
4	An anti-rape campaigner is giving an AMA at the moment. When asked why her campaign only targets men she says she wants to prevent perpetrators of rape and there will be a separate campaign for women aimed at reducing the risk of of being the victim of rape Good to see she's been confronted on a number of issues, though. Perhaps she'll return to her PC academic setting with a slightly different mindset.	/r/MensRights	06/11/15 06:04 AM
11	I made an art piece about how Men's issues get no attention from the media, the back lash was more than I had anticipated I so relate to this. I'm an aspiring musician in an urban area, and the vast majority of people in the local "scene" are very feminist/SJW-friendly. So many pretentious, pseudo-intellectual, wannabe-activist hipsters... So disappointing. Anyway, I would suggest either avoiding the conversation or studying up until you can pretty much win any argument, and also be able to re-frame and de-escalate discussions to make them less hostile. I'd suggest "Gender Inclusive" by Adam Jones as a source of lo…	/r/MensRights	20/10/15 04:27 AM
1	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." Again you display your ignorance of the mythopoetics. Far from being unable to "do well in competitive spaces," some of the speakers featured on the YouTube channel I pointed people to (Minnesota Men's Conference) include award-winning, Ivy-League educated, and best-selling. You've decided these people are "New Age hippies" even though they can far more coherently be understood as a response to the hippie movement that rejects certain defining characteristics of it, e.g. knee-jerk opposition of …	/r/MensRights	20/10/15 03:54 AM
2	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." I didn't say everyone in the MRM was damaged, and I didn't say damaged people are universally unqualified to participate in activism. You pulled that out of nowhere. But if you look around at MGTOW/TRP/PUA/MRA spaces, you can't deny that some people could use some therapy! There's a demand for psychological tools, and a lot of what the manosphere offers is, to put it euphemistically, unhelpful. The political fight isn't going to be undermined by men working out some of their psychological issues…	/r/MensRights	17/10/15 03:15 AM
3	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." So you admit that you're not actually going to try to persuade somebody with information or arguments? Just going to throw around assertions and insults and then pathetically try to pull rank? OK. Oh, Factory! I see. Somehow I’m not totally surprised. Turns out I’ve known about you for a while actually. Never read that CV-worthy ‘zine you put together, but then I’m a newbie compared to you! I started paying attention to men’s issues / gender theory around the time the taxpayer was preventing you…	/r/MensRights	17/10/15 02:24 AM
1	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." Yeah no shit he has a "fuck society" attitude. A lot of people do. But it doesn't matter whether you were dealt good cards or bad, if you go around shooting people your behavior is going to be described in negative moral terms. Terms like "toxic." But seriously, choose whatever terms you like. For someone who hates SJWs and feminists, you're quite like them in that you allow no criticism of male behavior (unless that behavior happens to be criticizing men). Listen, if you go around waving guns i…	/r/MensRights	17/10/15 02:21 AM
2	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." I called you out for making inaccurate characterizations, not for being unfriendly. This isn't kindie-garten; adults know the difference between intellectual enrichment and emotional attachment.	/r/MensRights	17/10/15 02:20 AM
2	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." Masculinity and femininity are not merely culture-imposed scripts. A culture's practices create feedback mechanisms, of course, but the masculine energy comes from within. A dysfunctional society doesn't know what to do with the young man's energy, so he and his peer group are left to figure it out on their own, and they often fail all too predictably. Without productive outlets to express masculine drives, you get a lot of young guys in gangs, dropping out of school, going to prison, womanizing…	/r/MensRights	17/10/15 12:03 AM
4	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." The term "mythopoetic" is not a criticism or slur. Christ. There were distinct groups of men starting in the 80s collectively referred to as the "Mythopoetic Men's Movement." Those in the public eye felt the need to be sort of "feminist-friendly," but most were not feminists. The whole thing was considered part of a backlash against feminism since they praised male hierarchy, male leadership, male mentor-ship, and blamed a lot of society's ills (including "toxic masculinity") on the lack of thes…	/r/MensRights	16/10/15 11:36 PM
2	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." So given that they're being attacked by feminists, odds are they're not feminist allies. But whether feminists like them or not is not the basis on which you should judge them; you'd have to actually read/listen to them for that.	/r/MensRights	16/10/15 09:02 PM
1	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." Could you explain how your view on initiation disagrees with Bly's? You seem to think he advocates jettisoning male initiation because some boys will get hurt in the process, when that is the exact opposite of his view as far as I understand it! He is decrying the lack of initiation in today's society, leading to what he called the Sibling Society. To oversimplify, "toxic" masculinity is what you get when you fail to initiate boys into mature manhood. Young men experience rage because they haven…	/r/MensRights	16/10/15 04:18 PM
2	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." They seem strikingly similar to MRAs in terms of their diagnoses of social problems and their acknowledgement of men's issues, as well as their direct denial of certain feminist criticisms of men and male culture. And for the most part modern MRAs are doing what they were: talking. Except most MRAs focus on specific inequalities whereas the mythopoetics often (though not always) wrapped their ideas up in the language of myths, poetry, and psychology. Problem is, anti-MRAs have their own (half-as…	/r/MensRights	16/10/15 04:01 PM
2	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." Actually I think a lot of feminism is/was characterized by the idea that basically women were/are too "feminine" for their own good. Too passive, too quiet, too domestic, too monogamous, etc. Germaine Greer's "The Female Eunuch" is a famous example. But you're right that we also have feminists accusing others of femmephobia, saying "you do you," pro-motherhood feminism, feminists demanding safe spaces and trigger warnings, etc. Hey, no one ever accused feminism of being coherent...	/r/MensRights	16/10/15 03:57 AM
3	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." You keep failing to provide evidence relevant to the point at issue. Do you want to persuade somebody that violence is a male value? If so you should present an argument, maybe some data, maybe some historical context, etc. Because it seems like you're a stereotypical MGTOW/RedPill/PUA-type concern-trolling MRAs to try to convince yourself that you're superior to someone, anyone... Every other post you make references your superior level of knowledge and/or awareness. Do you think anyone here bu…	/r/MensRights	16/10/15 03:36 AM
1	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." Economic excess leads to loosening of gender roles, which leads to less economic excess... I have a feelin shit's bout to get a whole lot more traditional up in here!	/r/MensRights	16/10/15 03:11 AM
-1	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." I don't know... even tough guys have to sleep some time lol. And a lot of tough guys aren't so tough when it comes to having their masculinity validated by women, so they spend a lot of time in a state of complete vulnerability lying next to an autonomous force of nature that, let's just say, may or may not have a reputation for unpredictable emotional decision-making!	/r/MensRights	16/10/15 02:56 AM
1	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." The problem with the sentence "violence is inherent to maleness" is that it's just factually incorrect. Arguably aggression is inherent to masculinity, but not violence to maleness. A male fetus isn't even capable of violence, for instance. Nor is it impossible to imagine a man, or a black person, going a lifetime without violence. There's a difference between generalizations based on empirical data and absolutist/essentialist claims.	/r/MensRights	16/10/15 02:46 AM
2	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." Nowhere did I express hatred of traditionalists. I disagree with some of their values and ideas; that is far from hatred. Likewise, praising the mythopoetics for being somewhere between traditionalists and feminists is hardly an endorsement. What I've done here is defend them against ridiculous straw-man attacks from people whose knowledge on the topic appears to go no further as stereotypes ("naked drum beaters"). That is not the same as singing their praises. You've made quite a display here. …	/r/MensRights	16/10/15 02:19 AM
2	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." They attack their allies considerably less often than they attack their enemies.	/r/MensRights	16/10/15 12:52 AM
2	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." My criticism isn't based on the fact that mythopoetics were rejected by feminists and traditionalist. My criticism is based on the fact that my admittedly limited experience with their words and thoughts completely contradicts your characterization of them. I've heard/read them reject feminist criticisms of men and traditional gender roles both explicitly and implicitly. Robert Bly in an interview explicitly denied that the solution is to "go back to triablistic coming of age rituals." As self-h…	/r/MensRights	16/10/15 12:47 AM
6	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." Your demands for definitions are ridiculous. You yourself are constantly using terms you cannot "define in immutable terms." You don't seriously think that's a prerequisite for having a meaningful conversation, do you? What, if there's no Platonic Form of the Good, then you can't make or talk about moral judgments? Either provide necessary and sufficient application conditions for all concepts involved in your all posts, or just admit that the involved parties here intuitively grasp what is prob…	/r/MensRights	15/10/15 05:26 PM
6	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." The mythopoetics weren't "a bunch of male feminists." LOL do your fucking research.	/r/MensRights	15/10/15 04:34 PM
3	"Toxic Masculinity" is hate speech. Full stop. It pathologies maleness and attempts to link violence to men's culture. Feminists discussing "toxic masculinity" is little different than white supremacists attacking "ni**** culture" and "black violence." This is just a factually incorrect characterization of the mythopoetic men's movement. I suggest checking out a YouTube channel called "Minnesota Men's Conference." It's obvious that those guys agreed with feminists on some things but disagreed with them on others... as such they were rejected by both traditionalists and feminists. They were constantly accused by feminists of glorifying male dominance and being gender essentialists. They were constantly accused by traditionalists of being libera…	/r/MensRights	15/10/15 04:14 PM
2	A criticism of the MRM - We need to discuss this Something can be male-dominated and gynocentric at the same time.	/r/MensRights	01/10/15 05:29 PM
1	Meet the "Brogressive." Feminists create yet another catchy term to separate real progressives (who must be feminist) from the fake ones (who care about due process). Feminists never built their numbers (still a minority position) through rational discussion. Appeals to emotion/protective instinct, yes. Fashionable intellectual and moral posturing, yes. Sexual leverage used against men, yes. Cult-like love-bombing of immature/damaged women, yes. Rational discussion, HAHAHAH.	/r/MensRights	30/09/15 04:46 AM
1	Meet the "Brogressive." Feminists create yet another catchy term to separate real progressives (who must be feminist) from the fake ones (who care about due process). These women also want to be seen as the moral linchpins of society - a holdover from the traditional/Victorian female role. Women make the rules, men enforce them, etc. Hence the constant harping and moral posturing.	/r/MensRights	30/09/15 04:29 AM