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| 0 | Having women as friends is basedIf you're saying zero, it's hard to take your seriously as it seems clear you're only being dogmatic and not really thinking about this. Even by your own standards approximately 5% of men are shorter than 5'5" (more if you set the bar at 5'6") and lighter than 150. A minority, sure, but that's already statistically one out of the 20 and he's highly unlikely to have any fighting skill, so even by your own very uncharitable interpretation Ronda's beating at least one guy. Believing that a female p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/22 05:26 PM |
| 0 | Having women as friends is basedOut of a random selection of, oh, say, 20 dudes out of all the dudes walking by on the sidewalk in front of the Dennys in a 24 hour period, how many of those men could Ronda Rousey credibly beat? /u/ClaraBow01 isn't saying Ronda Rousey could beat any or most men who are also professional fighers. She's saying Ronda Rousey could kick the shit out of a lot of guys. And she probably could. I saw it myself when I was powerlifting. Obviously all the long-term members of my powerlifting team were much… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/22 11:50 AM |
| 13 | Multiple American Surveys show common factors leading to divorce: Lack Of Commitment, Adultery, and Constant ArguingAlso it doesn't take into account that women have literally always worked to support their families. Whether making piece work inside the home to sell or working outside the home in whatever roles were socially available at the time (seamstress, laundress, maid). The stay at home mother has only ever been possible for a narrow wedge of the social strata. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/22 01:33 AM |
| 6 | Man finds out fiancé used to be more adventurous in bed. Refuses to explore sexually with him. How should he feel? Thoughts and discussion.Can't speak for u/Mrs_Drgree but although I can imagine feeling betrayed on a deep level, but this scenario doesn't do it for me. I think I've felt more rage and betrayal when my co-worker changed the office seating chart and moved my desk without consulting me than I imagine that I would in this situation. I have a hard time understanding why the assumption is "she lied" instead of "she changed her mind." Just because she did some stuff 10 years ago doesn't mean she actually enjoyed it or genue… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/22 03:13 AM |
| 1 | Man finds out fiancé used to be more adventurous in bed. Refuses to explore sexually with him. How should he feel? Thoughts and discussion.It is considered non neurotypical yes, and at least in some cases possibly related to being on the spectrum as there are certain aspects in common. This coming from another ADHD person, btw, so jut offering in the spirit of sharing information. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/22 03:07 AM |
| 1 | Are thin girls automatically a 7/10 now because of obesity epidemic?I agree you can't have a small waist but you can have a flat stomach(no gut), which is mostly what people care about if they're the type to be picky about figure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 03:29 PM |
| 4 | Women that give you mixed signals or aren't really too interested in you, or keep you waiting when you message them aren't worth your time.I always got the impression it was an old-fashioned attitude. My mother had that attitude, that I should def date around with multiple guys and always have them pay, as she explicitly advised me to do, so I associate it with old-fashioned-ness. She never did understand why I always go dutch. On the other hand, to be honest a lot of guys don't seem to get it either. For all the guys who complain about having to pay on here, in my experience as someone who always pays for myself, I often have to s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/20 02:20 AM |
| 3 | We know now, from rape kit testing, that the vast majority of rapes are committed by just a few men. These men rape habitually. They rape their girlfriends, their wives and acquaintances or strangers. It's the same men. Over and over again.It's statistically more likely for them to personally get sexually assaulted, actually, though I concede most men probably don't think about that probability much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/19 12:56 AM |
| 5 | Why women make “relationship material” guys wait, but not Chad.but you're not "investing more," that's the thing! You're investing nothing and that's the point. You don't have to worry about investing anything, because in our hypothetical scenario you don't care about that person. Even if things go badly it matters less because, in our example, you presumably won't be seeing them again. Whereas, with someone you cared about you would be investing something of yourself, and that might be daunting because it matters to you what they think now and what they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/19 06:59 AM |
| 1 | Why women make “relationship material” guys wait, but not Chad.Why would it show a lack of respect, as long as the guy wasn't being DIS respectful to her, why do you somehow not respect yourself if you have some harmless fun with someone who is also only interested in harmless fun. No one got disrespected, no one got actually harmed or had any long term physical/financial consequences. There's literally no real reason to do it outside of managing the perceptions of people with conservative/prudish views. That last one may or may not be a big consideration… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/19 06:45 AM |
| 2 | Why are so many women having trouble with the Dating scene?It won't or shouldn't be obvious to the casual observer that someone is waxing their eyebrows. I doubt most people even pay attention to eyebrows on a conscious level unless something is seriously wrong with them. I personally don't care, but they are one element to an attractive face so some people do wax them into shape if they are scruffy, bushy, or approaching a unibrow. Basically it won't read as 'feminine,' because it almost never 'reads' at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/19 07:35 AM |
| 3 | Consent is meaningless. CMV>She could literally be moaning “Oh god, yes!, YES!” And then withdraw consent mid thrust You're being super hyperbolic here. This isn't arcane wizardry or rocket science. I've ""withdrawn consent"" in the middle of sex that I was initially very enthusiastically into. He unintentionally did something in the middle of it that killed my libido and my enthusiasm in an instant, and I was done. I didn't even have to say anything, I just kinda pushed away and he immediately stopped before I could as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/18 02:10 AM |
| 3 | [Science] Attitudes towards marriage from never married adultsYes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/18 10:18 PM |
| 1 | [Science] Attitudes towards marriage from never married adultsBecause they're the primary parent. And when they're not the primary parent, they do pay child support. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/18 10:17 PM |
| 6 | Do you think the average man struggles as much romantically as some RPers claim?Not OP, but for me if he demands shit I'm not comfortable with in order to stick around he's not 12/10 man of my dreams and why would I want to keep him around? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/18 10:54 PM |
| 8 | If sexual attraction is not always instantaneous and can grow with time, why do women turn down most of the approaches they get?So how did you get harassment or misogyny from that? Lots of shit is annoying, deeply annoying even, doesn't make it either of those things. Why is that the conclusion you jump to? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/18 07:18 PM |
| 2 | If sexual attraction is not always instantaneous and can grow with time, why do women turn down most of the approaches they get?On a purely personal level because sexual/physical contact with someone I'm not attracted to is highly unpleasant and awkward, and anyone I met through an "approach" is probably not interested in waiting around on attraction maybe developing, and being patient enough to not want anything physical until then. I have no issues keeping possibilities open with people who are in my life long-term or semi-long-term, and have indeed dating/asking out people I wasn't attracted to at first but ended up d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/18 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Proposition: Theories about "sluts" "losing their ability to pair-bond" and notions of "used up vaginas" and "women would be happier under traditionalism" are nothing more than "cope"That's not how I interpreted it, but then I don't believe that sex quality is intrinsically affected by whether someone is ""alpha"" or ""beta,"" or really believe in those categories at all on a personal level I guess, so I was just reacting to the hypothetical as presented. My position is the same: virgins can tell that good sex is good, bad sex is bad, and meh sex is meh, because no one needs prior experience to know whether a physical experience is pleasurable or not and thinking otherwise i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/18 07:08 PM |
| 1 | Proposition: Theories about "sluts" "losing their ability to pair-bond" and notions of "used up vaginas" and "women would be happier under traditionalism" are nothing more than "cope"Virgins who get married may be more loyal but that doesn't mean they are having great, fulfilling, enthusiastic married sex. Lolno, that's not my argument. Did you read the rest of the thread? Or hell, did you even read my comment right above this one? The starting premise was that the sex was not great, and the question being discussed was whether a virgin would be able to tell if not-great/bad sex was not-great/bad. My answer is still, yes, of course she would be able to tell. She might not kn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/18 07:17 AM |
| 1 | Single Motherhood is one of the worst things to happen to society.Is single motherhood measured only by marital status? It may be lower than it seems if so, as some poor people decide to be single "for the record," since marriage or cohabitation would boost household income too high to qualify for assistance, even though the father is still involved with raising and supporting his child. Similar to when people fake their child's address by using more affluent friend or relative's address in order to get the child access to a better school. Both sensible practi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/18 11:30 PM |
| 2 | Proposition: Theories about "sluts" "losing their ability to pair-bond" and notions of "used up vaginas" and "women would be happier under traditionalism" are nothing more than "cope"Well, firstly grades aren't a good example because they aren't an experience in their own right. You might experience them as good or bad depending on a variety of factors, but they aren't a sensual (in the literal sense of "of or relating to the senses or physical sensation") experience like sex is. I was responding to someone who said that our hypothetical woman wouldn't know that the sex wasn't great, fulfilling, enthusiastic if she hadn't experienced actual great sex, and I still think that'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/18 02:45 AM |
| 9 | Proposition: Theories about "sluts" "losing their ability to pair-bond" and notions of "used up vaginas" and "women would be happier under traditionalism" are nothing more than "cope"But they wouldn't know, would they? Ignorance is bliss. I mean, they might not know it could be better, but they would still know that it wasn't very good. A bland-to-unpleasant experience doesn't automatically become enjoyable just because you don't have an analogous good experience to compare it with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/18 06:30 AM |
| 5 | Question for women: Why do so many women have a hard time wrapping their minds around the simple concept that many men simply find high n count women unattractive?Money is fungible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/17 12:37 AM |
| 2 | Why is "Dr. Nerdlove" more reliable or valid than "The Red Pill?If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate! I'lljustletmyselfout. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/16 11:09 PM |
| 2 | Countering prevailing RP Advice - Discussion of a Popular Post Removed from TRPThanks, I'm pretty optimistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/16 03:15 PM |
| 2 | Countering prevailing RP Advice - Discussion of a Popular Post Removed from TRPI have objectives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/16 02:35 PM |
| 3 | Countering prevailing RP Advice - Discussion of a Popular Post Removed from TRPI don't know, I prefer to just burn through my fucks really quickly when life hands me disappointments. Spend a small amount of time REALLY giving a fuck and then immediately move on to being Completely Done With This Shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/16 06:22 AM |
| 3 | The April 4th DirectiveCan we separate the relavant issues here? IMO Sexual Harrassment is serious and an Actual Thing that needs to be addressed, but Campus "justice" systems are shitty and should not be allowed to adjudicate anything really. There needs to be something in place, sure, but I'm all in favor of burning that shit to the ground and starting over. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/16 03:41 AM |
| 1 | I have little sympathy for womens body image issuesSee, I don't really get the idea that you are trying to understand. When I say I try to understand, I say that I accept that the man is miserable being incel, even though I don't personally think that state would be miserable. I accept it in spite of the fact my personal experience tells me that lacking sex/relationships for long periods of time is not that bad. I didn't ask you if you thought women in the situations we've been describing are more miserable. Of course you don't, you have no fram… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/16 03:20 AM |
| 1 | I have little sympathy for womens body image issuesEven assuming it's consensual it's often a non-positive or actively negative experience for many women, and probably some men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 12:26 PM |
| 2 | I have little sympathy for womens body image issuesI was pretty sure it was already brought up? We've been talking for several iterations of this discussion about things with negative value, unpleasant things, and even explicitly, not WANTING things other people seem to value. What else have we ever been talking about? Yes, it's the grass is greener. And the point is, it's down to perspective. It's always been down to perspective, I acknowledge that. It seems like no one else ever wants to in these discussions for some reason. I will call you so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 08:33 AM |
| 1 | I have little sympathy for womens body image issuesSure, I already acknowledge that, but there are a non-trivial number of women who can't/don't enjoy Whatsits at all. She is rejecting whatsits. I'm not sure what the point of this one is. Not necessarily, some of them, a non-trivial number will perceive the offer and whatever interaction that goes with it as unambiguously unpleasant. The premise is that she's not getting offered Thingamabobs. If she's getting offered Thingamabobs, she's getting offered Thingamabobs, and that's a different story.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 07:54 AM |
| 1 | Ladies, would you date golemn from Lord of the Rings?You know what's great? Peanut butter cookies. You know what's better? Peanut butter cookie dough. Discuss. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 07:40 AM |
| 2 | I have little sympathy for womens body image issuesShe might also feel worse for being targeted by the offer. Unwanted sexual attention can make you feel pretty horrible. You can't just assume she'll experience the offer positively. Not every expression of sexual attention gives someone validation. Look, I already acknowledge that many women enjoy casual sex, and many women experience sexual attention as positive and validating, I do. Can you acknowledge that many women do not enjoy casual sex and many women experience most or all of the sexual … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 07:28 AM |
| 3 | I have little sympathy for womens body image issuesNot as an across the board-rule, no. Are you saying that women always gain at least some pleasure from casual sex? Or that casual sex is never an experience bad enough to to warrant being actively avoided? Because each of those is just as ridiculous as saying casual sex is never pleasurable. To recap, I am saying two things: For a non-trivial proportion of women at any given time, they gain "literally zero pleasure" from casual sex, and may in fact experience it as anywhere from mildly to viscer… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 06:42 AM |
| 2 | I have little sympathy for womens body image issuesYes, and the end result is the same in both cases: neither the man nor the woman has gained anything of value. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 06:30 AM |
| 1 | I have little sympathy for womens body image issuesYou're still missing the point, though. No matter how much the guy values the junker or would like to have it, he can't impose that frame of reference on the woman and then claim that she is benefiting because she is receiving something he views as valuable. If she doesn't want or value it, or perceive it to improve her life at all, then receiving it is NOT a positive thing AT ALL from her perspective. It's nothing but junk. Would you be happy if people threw junk at you all the time? No. And yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 06:29 AM |
| 4 | I have little sympathy for womens body image issuesYeah but that car they have in your analogy has zero to negative value for them? Cars are a bad example here because there's no reason why that person wouldn't theoretically want the car, but tons of reasons why a woman would want nothing to do with shitty anonymous sexual experiences. Maybe the car randomly explodes? Sure, OK, she's getting something when he's getting nothing, but that something has a good chance of being worth somewhere between worthless and actively harmful. I'll chose "nothi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/16 11:12 AM |
| 4 | Ladies, would you date golemn from Lord of the Rings?Hm, well, I'm desperately procrastinating ATM so what the hell, I'll bite: Your example is like serving someone a shit sandwich and then claiming they have no sense of culinary adventure when they won't eat it. There's internal struggle and then there's issues. There's not super hot and then there's fugly. There's 'not superior to me' and then there's 'needs constant adult supervision' Not wanting to avoid some crazy extreme of undesirableness doesn't mean you're a hypocrite or won't accept anyt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/16 10:51 AM |
| 3 | Question for BP: What is so offensive about the Captain/First Mate marriage dynamic?If you're always, ultimately striving for middle ground solutions and compromises, then your relationship is egalitarian and the captain/first mate model is in your head. I find this sentiment seems to come out a lot in these discussions? "Oh, well, I'm the Captain and I have absolute last say and am totally 100% manly and in charge but I would NEVER disregard my wife's opinion on something important! " People are always strenuously assuring that they'd never steamroll their wife and de-facto de… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/16 08:25 AM |
| 6 | Q4 BP/Feminists/Women. Why? What makes you worth what you demand?And I find it extraordinary and 100% in contradiction with my own experiences. It seems we are at an impasse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 01:35 PM |
| 1 | Bluepill men/women, what do you bring to the bedroom?A lack of experience far out of proportion to my 30 years of life, and a stash of ideas far out of proportion to my staggering lack of experience. Also, chocolate flavored body paint. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/15 06:26 AM |
| 1 | Why do so many Redpillers believe that white straight men are the most oppressed demographic in Western society?Honestly depends on where you are. I grew up in SC and with very minimal social precautions you can vilify the blacks and mooslims with impunity. Whereas vilifying straight white men will likely trigger a rant about the PC police ruining society. The culprits are generally the same people who think that minorities pull the race card all the time and are only imagining racism when it happens, simultaneously absolutely convinced that the cashier at the supermarket was rude to them "just because I'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/15 04:14 AM |
| 1 | For all pills: What is terrible mistakes have you made in past relationships?People do. I did. Came to Japan seven years ago right out of college. If you really want to leave, it's worth the attempt. As for me, they will pry my visa from my cold dead hands because I am not going back to the States if I can help it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/15 11:26 AM |
| 2 | Tabula rasa vs "Just Be Yourself"This is exactly it. TRP overstates the degree to which "TBP/progressives" in general, for lack of a better term, dismiss the influence of biology, while themselves steeply underestimating how malleable the manifestations of biological inclinations are. There are societies that find breasts to be 100% maternal and not sexy, for example. Those people think the western fixation on boobs is childish because only suckling children are fixated on boobs. That is "natural" to them. They presumably still… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/15 05:09 AM |
| 2 | What's worst, infidelity or divorce?Why didn't you just put this question in the OP instead of spamming every answer with it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/15 01:29 AM |
| 1 | Women: You are living in year 1800 in the US. There are no rules or customs preventing women from working or voting. 95% of the human population still working in the agriculture sector. What job will you pursue? Describe your life?Lol, 1800? How do they feel about brown people in this hypothetical alternate history of yours? But whatever, supposing I wasn't literally enslaved... Same as now, translator. I'll travel, translate stuff. Getting to "the Orient" will be a lot more of a headache but there are plenty of opportunities. I still won't be having kids, and since this is 1800 I probably won't be getting married either because that's pretty much signing myself up for being owned as chattel. Maybe I'll live permanently w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/15 01:26 AM |
| 7 | All Pills: What are some "lies" you were legitimately told about the world growing up and by whom? Be specific.That ignoring bullies will get them to leave you alone. Oh, what a miserable childhood this shit wrought. My dad taught my brother to punch but refused to teach me, counseled me against violence, and basically abandoned me to my fate. Also: that, given certain easily available conditions, relationships will just naturally "happen" and naturally "work" Ha! They will not happen in general unless you are proactive about asking people out, and they will not work unless there is a very well calibrate… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/15 08:10 AM |
| 2 | BP, is it internalized sexism when women always want the man to be taller than them?I mean, would any of you Blue Pillers prefer a man to be shorter than you? Yes, absolutely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/15 12:57 PM |
| 4 | If you believe the redpill is made up of angry men, what do you believe is the cause of that anger and what could alleviate that anger?More that they are not special in their misery? Not that happiness is unattainable, just that the world has not preferentially fucked them over. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/15 09:41 AM |
| 1 | BP: What are your thought's on behaving like a gentleman?Awkward as fuck. How can you relate to someone naturally if they are doing shit like that all the time? The only situations int would be okay with me is if it was an established relationship and we were being goofy for one date and we both knew the other wasn't taking it seriously. Holding doors for people in general because they are nice is fine, of course, but the whole "chivalry" schtick is awkward. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/15 03:18 AM |
| 2 | Why should a woman get married?Having freedom and control over your own life is a big key to satisfaction and happiness. Working is something you do to get the cash to do the shit you really want to do, and keeping control over your own means is just part of that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/15 02:07 AM |
| 1 | Why does TRP assume most women who are (reasonably?) attractive have had lots of casual sex? Is this proof of egregious male solipsism?if a situations arises where they want to they will. Tautological nonsense. This could literally apply to anyone for anything regardless of actual statistical probability. Arson? Suicide? Buying a blueberry scone at Starbucks? How is it meaningful to say that if provided both the means and desire to do X, a person will do X, if, in reality, those "right circumstances" are never going to arrive? It's a cop out where you get to dismiss every counter example and even strong statistical counter-evid… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/15 07:24 AM |
| 0 | Question for BP'ers: How do you square away the sexual history?But you didn't. I didn't say they couldn't relate, I explained how they were logistically unrelated, for relationship decision making purposes. My logic is solid about that, and you did nothing to show otherwise. For a given relationship, 1. is all that matters. 2. is neither necessary, nor sufficient. You stated an opinion that other people hold about how they are related but you certainly didn't "show me how [my claim] is wrong" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/15 04:35 AM |
| 1 | Question for BP'ers: How do you square away the sexual history?Discredit what? There's nothing solid to discredit, just a gut check about how ooky it feels to them to know their lady slept with other people. I haven't made a positive evidence claim, I've said TRP fails to meet their burden of proof for that claim. Which they do. It's not my responsibility to prove a negative. (Not to mention, doing so is impossible.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/15 03:14 AM |
| 5 | Question for BP'ers: How do you square away the sexual history?For the life of me I can't understand why RP keeps trying to conflate two separate issues with this. It's always the story where some hapless dude finds out his wife who "won't even give him blowjobs" used to do tons of wild and crazy stuff with like, 200 people or something. Or, when they try to turn it around, they say it's a hapless lady who finds out her husband who won't even buy her a card and single daisy on valentines day used to buy all of his 2000 previous girlfriends champagne-filled … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/15 08:05 AM |
| 2 | Question for women of PPD: how much of your sex life is "performance?"I can't really say. I'm just not a loud person myself, and I refuse to pretend to be because it feels like faking, but I find that most guys (it seems) just expect that and act super butthurt if they don't get it, so it seems plausible at least to me that other women have picked up on that as well and are performing to avoid the butthurt. OTOH, unlike aforementioned butthurt dudes, I also accept that different people do experience things differently, and so I can't honestly say that more "expres… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/15 01:42 AM |
| 1 | Doesn't Japan show that women working isn't the primary cause for the declining birth rates ?Sustainable development isn't something we actually have on a large scale worldwide at the moment, and it's only part of the solution, it still doesn't involve a constantly increasing population. Or rather, eliminating our constantly increasing population and the need for it, and transitioning to a stable population will be part of sustainable development. I'm not doomsaying, I'm stating a fact: Even with sustainable development and careful conservation a system which requires constant growth is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 09:21 PM |
| 1 | Doesn't Japan show that women working isn't the primary cause for the declining birth rates ?Well, replacement level is the ultimate goal, of course. I don't know why people think I'm ruling that out completely. I just think we need to decline to a more manageable level first, especially because even if you think the current level is fine, realistically the increase isn't going to stop for a while yet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 09:14 PM |
| 4 | Doesn't Japan show that women working isn't the primary cause for the declining birth rates ?I don't know why more people don't understand this. Everyone says that the shrinking numbers of youth and growing number of aged will have negative effects on the economy. Yeah. Well, sure. ...But the problem there isn't the negative effects themselves, the problem is that we've created a system that needs perpetual growth to survive, and it was always doomed to fail. We can either ease back of our own volition, with as little pain as possible, or we can go off a cliff 50 or 100 or howevermany y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 08:30 AM |
| 0 | Question for women: would you rather share with other women a guy who makes your heart skip and butterflies flutter in your stomach, or be the exclusive partner of an average guy?I have nothing against poly relationships, in principle. For an LTR, I think I'd ideally want something poly or at least open (mutually open, of course) no matter what (although my ideal is a stable MMF triad), so seeing as I'm ideally going to be sharing (with other people) either way, I'd like to have a super awesome guy. As long as we're having flights of fancy, I want the other guy in my imaginary stable triad to be super awesome, too. Also, a pony and a plastic rocket. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 07:26 AM |
| 1 | Famous Feminist Hits Real Wall, Cat Calls Stop, Misses ThemThe drop off was immediate and sudden when I came here even 7 years ago, so I would say the vast majority of it is location. I was also here for 6 months while still in college and noticed the same thing. So, again, location. But I'm sure eventually it will drop off even in the US because I'll be older, although I'm not there yet... and I will welcome that equally. As I said before, good riddance. I have never, ever, had a pleasant experience because of catcalling, and have had many creepy or do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 03:05 AM |
| 1 | BP Men: Would you date a woman that weighed more than you? BP Women: Would you date a man that was shorter than you?I don't know for sure, but I think I can definitively say that it didn't? I think what we perceive as normal or acceptable is very influenced by what we were surrounded with growing up. I guess it's pretty tautological to say that we would all be very different people if we'd been raised in very different circumstances. I can see that, I don't think my tastes are shared by most of my friends anyway. I just personally will never understand seeing 'tall' as a plus in and of itself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 01:40 AM |
| 8 | Famous Feminist Hits Real Wall, Cat Calls Stop, Misses ThemI agree wholeheartedly. I have been catcalled only maybe two or three times total since moving to Japan seven years ago(almost always by fellow gaijin), where it was fairly constant in the US, and I don't miss it one damn bit. Good fucking riddance, forever. I don't have to deal with the constant grind wearing down my self esteem that comes from all those creepy-ass comments. I dress for the weather and know I won't be harassed about it. I haven't once gotten followed for blocks by packs of teen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/15 01:29 AM |
| 5 | If you could have everyone here read one thing, what would it be?The Invisible Gorilla: And Other Ways Our Intuitions Deceive Us, by Christopher Chabris and Daniel Simons. It's not the best book on cognitive biases out there, and I'd encourage further reading, but it is very illustrative of just how drastically our brains can lie to us, and how the reality we think we've observed is not necessarily reflective of fact and we need to be on guard about that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 06:40 AM |
| 1 | BP Men: Would you date a woman that weighed more than you? BP Women: Would you date a man that was shorter than you?Most of the guys I've dated have been the same height or shorter than me, and about 2/3rds of the ones I was actually attracted to have not been taller, and certainly not tall So, uh. Definitely. Sign me up. As further personal anecdata, my dad is also shorter than my mother. So it's not that uncommon or unusual in my eyes. I'm the same height as my dad. Unfortunately didn't get the massive amount of Tall that my brother got from Mom. Still bitter about him hogging all the Tall to this very day.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 06:24 AM |
| 3 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?You can't get your power stripped in a relationship unless you give it away or there's a crime involved. This is true for both men and women. You can always walk away. Can we not indulge in the libertarian fantasy that anything less than a gun to the head means 100% super double-plus free choice? Agency can absolutely be thwarted by external factors. In reality, choices are constrained by all sorts of logistical, financial, physical, and mental barriers. Some are naturally occurring, and yes, so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 01:24 PM |
| 4 | /r/TheBluePill users, explain yourselves.The truth or falsity of what someone is saying has nothing to do with how hateful it is, and if dealing with hateful bullshit gets you down, obviously you'll have a reaction to that. It's why I don't argue with stormfronters anymore. I like debate and it was entertaining in that sense, at first, but I didn't like seeing all that hateful shit day after day and even though I know their beliefs are bullshit, the fact that there are real people who really believe that hateful bullshit is also depres… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 07:13 AM |
| 0 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?To say nothing of the free 'market' in terms of fanfic, from which the much bandied about 50 shades originated in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 06:49 AM |
| -2 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?Cringeworthy is a nearly universal property of romance, at least to some degree. I mean, pretty much all of my freelance work for the last year and more has been Romance, and what can I say? Tech manuals pay better, but god am I ever entertained. It's all just so audaciously cliche. And IDK, as far as virgins, I remember from the first project I was working on one of the mains was a virgin guy. It's a Type. He was the star player of his SportsBall team but awkward and so focused on SportsBall th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 06:46 AM |
| 14 | How is r/theredpill incorrect when it seems to reflect female erotica eerily accurately?I find this issue crops up a lot discussing erotica with dudes. Not just with this specific aspect of fantasy, but with others as well, it seems in my experience that it's difficult for them to grasp that the context leading up to and surrounding the sex is as important, if not more important than the sex itself. The sex just isn't sexy without that context, no matter how sexy it's participants are on their own. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/15 06:33 AM |
| 2 | What do you guys think about written, signed contract for consent?It would be meaningless. Consent is ongoing. If someone wants to stop, even in the middle of sex, the other person still needs to stop right then, so a form is useless. If someone wanted me to sign one I definitely would be suspicious and would not have sex with him, if only because it indicates he's the type who thinks consent is a one-time thing that can't be revoked. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 09:12 AM |
| 1 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?Probably not. I remember going out with a co-worker (we were both nude models for an art studio) in college for lunch. I thought we were just hanging out. Then we made plans to see a movie together. More friend stuff, right? Noooope. He showed up in cologne, tripping over himself to make sure I didn't have to exert myself by opening a door the entire night, doing all the stereotypical romantic chivalrous stuff. I honestly would not have been surprised if he had tried to fling himself in a puddle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 10:58 AM |
| 14 | Is it racist for women to not date Asian/Indian men, and if so, is it racist for so many red pillers to refuse to date Black women?Yes and yes. Both are racist. It's not conscious racism, but it is socially influenced, and I feel like it's intellectually very lazy not to recognize that. I have negative feelings towards dating black guys, because my father was very outwardly negative about them when I was growing up. This is a man who stopped the car when he saw an interracial couple kissing on their front lawn because he wanted to make sure that the white woman "was ok." And who's first concern was always "was he black?" wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 10:10 AM |
| 3 | Red Pill, what are your thoughts on "blue pill" success stories?Well, sure, but you're just as likely to find a goofy guy who needs guidance. Any given guy is not any more likely to have his shit together than any given woman, so it's silly to suggest that, as a rule, in relationships "the guy" needs to lead "the girl," or it can't be the 'best' it could be. And it is insulting and implying that women are "less than" to say, incorrectly, that they are somehow uniquely in need of guidance in a way that you seem to think doesn't apply to men. Maybe there can b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 01:00 PM |
| 3 | Red Pill, what are your thoughts on "blue pill" success stories?Jesus why would you feel you had to forgive infidelity, though? You can have an egalitarian relationship and still have boundaries. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 07:58 AM |
| 4 | Red Pill, what are your thoughts on "blue pill" success stories?That sounds pretty gross. Why does this supposedly fully functional adult who, presumably has been living her life just fine before he came into it, need guidance, anyway? More than the man supposedly needs guidance himself? I would hate to be in a relationship with a guy who had thought so little of me he thought I needed his "guidance." It's just so condescending and disrespectful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 07:53 AM |
| 1 | Quick relationship poll30 years old, 1 relationship over a month. 3 if we dig back to high school days, but those weren't sexual relationships so I'm not sure if you want to count them. I was a super late bloomer, sexually. I didn't even really start feeling attracted to people until I was around 20. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 01:20 AM |
| 1 | Women: Would you rather have a broke very attractive man, or an average man with an income of $100KIf we're not talking about small minorities, then you don't get to drag in unemployed women and SAHPs when the vast vast vast majority of women work to support themselves. If we are talking about small minorities, then I get to talk about the guys that stay home and live off of their girlfriends and wives. You can't have it both ways. And again, since most women work throughout most if not all of their pregnancies, pregnancy is really irrelevant to this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 02:21 PM |
| 1 | Women: Would you rather have a broke very attractive man, or an average man with an income of $100KDem goalposts. You can't make a general point about "the majority of women" and then talk about a very small minority of that group (the unemployed and SAHPs). I don't even know why you mentioned pregnancy, since it's a very short period of time and most women continue to work for the majority , if not the entirety of their pregnancy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/15 02:52 AM |
| 1 | Women: Would you rather have a broke very attractive man, or an average man with an income of $100KDefinitely the attractive (to me) guy. I live just fine, I don't need someone else to give me money, and attraction is the #1 deciding factor for getting into a relationship, so unless I find him cute the well-off average dude isn't making past the first date anyway. :/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 12:09 PM |
| 1 | Women: Would you rather have a broke very attractive man, or an average man with an income of $100KBecause it's badly constructed and leading, that's why. It isn't as if "average" is UNattractive. You're asking people to chose between [Neutral Looks+ Awesome Finances] on the one hand and [Awesome Looks + Absolutely Shitty Finances] on the other hand. It is unequal and absolutely calculated to get a particular answer, which is what makes it a trap, and an objectively bad survey question if the goal is actually to gather information and not just support a view you already hold. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 12:05 PM |
| 0 | Women: Would you rather have a broke very attractive man, or an average man with an income of $100KHim making more than her doesn't mean he's supporting her. For example: I've always been financially self sufficient, since graduating and moving out of my parents' house. If, tomorrow, I marry a guy who makes a couple (or many) thousand dollars more than me, I don't suddenly become economic dead weight. I'm still supporting myself and contributing to the household. So "most women marry up" (which is oversimplistic anyway) is not the same thing as "most women are economically supported by the me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/15 11:59 AM |
| 4 | If you over heard a young woman whisper to the following message to her friend, what would be the first thought that comes to your head?Those aren't analogous at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 06:08 AM |
| 1 | Arrangement for untarnished husbandHuh. I'm not sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 02:13 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicSeriously. My parents' marriage lasted decades without any disagreements that had even the potential to reach crisis/ultimatum level, simply because they wanted and valued very similar things. It is entirely possible to make decisions together and resolve what conflict there is with genuinely beneficial compromise as long as you're actually compatible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 04:58 AM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no 'equal' relationship dynamicIt always sounds to me like a lot of the time RPers and other proponents of this Captain/First Mate shit just want to call it delegated responsibility so they don't have to own up to the fact that it's shared power. Like "Lol I'm in charge of X, I just 'delegated' it to my wife. She handles everything to do with X, she is an expert in X, we never even considered having me do X for a second and I'd never contradict her on X if I had any sense because I know fuck all about it honestly but we tell … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 04:52 AM |
| 2 | CMV:Why TBP and TRP cannot understand each other on equal termsEchoing /u/mike918, but TBP doesn't think that being moral or good will (necessarily) get you acknowledged or respected either (although it often does get you respect). TBP doesn't give a damn whether it gets you acknowledged or respected, we think you should do it because it's the right thing to do, regardless of external rewards. Effectiveness, acknowledgement, respect, these things are irrelevant to the question of whether or not one should behave ethically (hint: Yes, one should behave ethic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 05:52 AM |
| 7 | Who should pay for dates?I think that's kind of disingenuous. I agree that men are often insistent about paying but why would you fake offer (lie)? Just let them pay if you're going to let them pay. Don't pretend you're willing to pay and then fold because of a protest that is practically a social requirement. If I say I'm paying, I know I might have to get a little bold about it, but I'm always honestly prepared to do what I need to to in that regard. It's not fake. I say I'll pay, he says "No, I'll pay," and I hand my… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 02:49 AM |
| -1 | Is it really “submissiveness” or sycophancy that TRP men desire in a woman?honestly, since whether or not a certain approach is emasculating is entirely dependent on the feeeeeelings of the man in question, you aren't going to see any evidence, since anyone can declare, or not declare, any given woman's approach to be emasculating or not, based on how they feel about it in the moment. And because of male solipsism, merely being informed that they are in the process of being wrong about something can cause negative feelings, which will be interpreted as emasculation ind… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/15 06:50 AM |
| 1 | Is "Women are only good for sex" a self-fulfilling prophecy?Cue BPers claiming their relationship is different... Well, they are though? So...your anecdote about how AWALT or whatever is supposed to be compelling but all of our lifetimes of experience to the contrary is just handwaving? How does that work? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 02:19 AM |
| 1 | Is "Women are only good for sex" a self-fulfilling prophecy?Not u/CursedLemon, but as I understand it: Standards are things that people aspire to for their intrinsic merit. (e.g. Being knowledgeable and good at conversation, Being financially solvent, keeping an orderly house), and it would be reasonable to expect that a decently well rounded person with any amount of drive towards personal betterment would meet a decent number of these standards. Expectations are things which, in this scenario, the hypothetical TRPer personally wants out of a partner, b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 02:16 AM |
| 0 | Is "Women are only good for sex" a self-fulfilling prophecy?The kink community is too insistent on consent and mutual respect for them, I think. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/15 02:05 AM |
| 1 | Why are TRPers so bitter that attractive women like attractive men?LBR this stuff gets run into the ground from both sides. Sure there have been 50 BP-originated threads that are variations of--let's take the worst offender topic as an example--"CMV: sexual history doesn't matter and y'all are hypocritical and insecure" ...But there have also been 50 RP-originated threads that are variations of "Question for BP: What if you found out your BF used to be way more loving and romantic and generous with other girls but he won't do that stuff for you? Wouldn't you fe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 08:22 AM |
| 2 | Women of PPD, post a picture of your ideal male body (There's just one catch!)I think they were being glib. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 08:08 AM |
| 3 | How important is sex/relationships to you?This. At the end of the century even if you had 20 kids, no one is going to truly remember you anyway unless you did something earthshattering, and even then, they won't remember you just whatever pale synopsis makes it into the historical record. And even that isn't going to matter in the truly long term. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/15 06:21 AM |
| 3 | Why is TBP and other feminists quick to deny evolutionary biology when it comes to sex?I've never denied it, but I think it is overvalued and it's effects blown way out of proportion by RP, who in turn tend to deny the massive cultural malleability in sex differentiated traits which has been demonstrated time and time again. Take the breasts thing. In plenty of societies they are seen as purely maternal and the western-style breast fixation men have here is seen as childish... because breasts are for children. I would argue that selecting for maternal traits is still a thing that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/15 06:00 AM |
| 3 | Both Pills what do you think of 4chanI think 4chan is a fairly reliable place to find some hentai when one wants to find some hentai. It's my go-to before danbooru or paheal. IDK I don't really use it for anything else most of the time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/15 02:51 AM |
| 8 | A true guide for avoiding red pill men:Lol, "avoid lifting." I'd say you'd be safe proceeding as normal, having self-respect, and enforcing your personal boundaries or leaving if he regularly dismisses your input. A lot of the RP stuff is "my way or the highway" type shit, so refusing to be a doormat should be pretty effective in weeding out RP guys. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/15 02:47 AM |
| 7 | To BP women: What incentive are you offering a guy to get employed?lol, none, but probably not for the reasons you think, and why should they? And why should a guy need one? He doesn't have to increase his income at all basically. Unless he wants to. I mean, I want to increase mine. It let's you buy neat things and live in nicer places and not worry about the future as much. Do it for yourself or don't bother. In a year, I'll be debt free (finally) and feel comfortable supporting someone if an arrangement like that seems good for the relationship. That's my goa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/15 02:08 PM |
| 1 | TRP says, women when they are younger sleep around with guys out of their league, and when they get older end up settling down with guys that are less attractive. What exactly do you disagree about this?Too much effort and risk for too small a possibility of actually having a good time. If I'm horny and unattached I'd just as soon stay home with my vibrator. Guaranteed orgasm, guaranteed disease and pregnancy free, guaranteed not to have to expend effort to be social OR potentially have to deal with anyone's bullshit. Plus I can get back to whatever activity I was doing right away afterwards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/15 11:13 AM |
| 2 | TRP says, women when they are younger sleep around with guys out of their league, and when they get older end up settling down with guys that are less attractive. What exactly do you disagree about this?Well sure. According to purity logic it really is a Madonna/whore binary and you've had the sex you're "ruined" and can never get the purity back. So you're not really hurting yourself by having more sex at that point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/15 10:40 AM |
| 2 | Do any blue pillers support the fat acceptance movement? If so, what about short acceptance?IDK the dad bod is bullshit but I don't like "ripped." I like a guy to be a little soft around the edges. I don't want abs you can grate cheese on. Defined, yes. Sharp, no. I think a lot of girls also don't like the "super buff" look that guys seem so enamored with. Just normal buff will do, thank you. Shape is more important than bulk. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/15 09:17 AM |
| 4 | Sex and valueI already said this in a reply upthread, but I agree and disagree, I think. I think there is value to trying to see the other side's perspective in an intellectual sense, but for all practical purposes, what does it matter to the individual when a crucial part of their self (to them) is not being acknowledged? Personally I would feel disrespected and un-valued if a guy only wanted to sleep with me, no matter how he tried to spin it, probably. Perspective would help to keep from getting hostile o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/15 06:58 AM |
| 5 | Sex and valueI think there is value to trying to see the other side's perspective in an intellectual sense, but for all practical purposes, I fundamentally agree with you, I think. Personally I would feel disrespected and un-valued if a guy only wanted to sleep with me, no matter how he tried to spin in, probably. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/15 06:56 AM |
| 5 | Sex and valueIDK, I think there are a LOT of men who would decline to stick their dick in the level of crazy it takes to go around naked outside propositioning people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/15 06:51 AM |
| 1 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutI don't care about the particular analogy as such, although I think it still fits. Fine, we can go with something like smoking, which is a choice, if you need a more direct parallel. My point still stands with an analogy like that. In this case an elevated risk of cancer would be an example of a natural consequence, and people constantly nagging you with "you know those things will kill you, right?" is a fabricated consequence which is 100% the personal responsibility of the naggers and not a na… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/15 05:22 AM |
| -1 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutAs long as what you mean by negative consequences is things like "having to face disdain and hostility" and not things like "other people not fucking me" then, sure. I agree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/15 12:51 AM |
| 1 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutAGAIN, all I have been saying is the "consequences" of disdain and hostility faced by women even perceived to be slutty in this society are fabricated. Even if a higher risk of divorce were added to other natural consequences such as std/pregnancy risk that I already mentioned, it would not change my point about fabricated consequences. So divorce risk is a total non-sequitur to my point and I'm not sure how you think it's supposed to relate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/15 12:47 AM |
| 1 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutWell, those were the "consequences" I was arguing against with my example, and then you jumped in trying to counter my example with divorce risk for some reason. Because you never expressed that you were interested in talking about something else, I naturally assumed you had actually read the conversation up until that point. Sorry, I guess. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 10:35 PM |
| 1 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutLol, you're confused. I'M the one who said, explicitly, that people chose their own color preferences, I have always agreed that morality is subjective, and haven't assigned anyone anything. You declaring me wrong in a case like this is just as ridiculous as declaring yourself right. Fine, so you've said that you don't know what the best color is but it sure as fuck isn't green. Your stance of not-green is on equal standing with my stance of green in this subjective arena. Until we start offerin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 10:31 PM |
| 1 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutReason for what? To make the additional personal choice to treat people you perceive as slutty with disdain and hostility? No, a slightly elevated risk of divorce is not a good enough reason for that. Would you also be disdainful and hostile towards college educated women and older women? Maybe, but it wouldn't be justified in those cases either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 10:24 PM |
| 1 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutDid you actually read my response? At all? the risk of divorce itself would be the only other natural consequence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 10:19 PM |
| 1 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutSince the people imposing societal consequences for people being black didn't care that they hadn't chosen, I hardly see that it matter to a conversation about how people can arbitrarily choose to construct hostile societies for other people that the just don't like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 10:17 PM |
| 1 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutAll morality is ultimately subjective, duh. You don't get to declare yourself right just because you get there first. Your morality (which is also not objectively true) isn't magically more right than mine, and you ARE arguing for a morality even if yours involves less moral responsibility for individuals. This isn't me making some concrete claim and you asking for proof... this is me saying I think green is the best color and you scoffing and saying that it's obviously blue and anyway I can't p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 10:15 PM |
| -1 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutFirst of all note I spoke only of changing the atmosphere and practicality of people's treatment within society. So that is not the kind of thing I'm talking about in the first place. If enough bigots thought that it "ought" to be a certain way though, they could absolutely change the atmosphere and laws of society to be very hostile to lgbt people...which is exactly what they did do, and what people are now undoing, thanks to "ought". THAT is what I am taking about. I never asked that men be at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 10:10 PM |
| 1 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutEven granting that for the sake of argument, the consequences I'm talking about would still be fabricated, and the risk of divorce itself would be the only other natural consequence. Similarly a higher risk of cancer is a natural consequence of being a smoker, and people constantly telling you "you know those things'll kill you, right?" is not natural consequence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 09:52 PM |
| -4 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutI'm pretty sure I've consistently disagreed with you and with RP principles, but you're welcome to think that if you wish. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 05:59 AM |
| 0 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutYeah, if the person who hung the sign didn't have the right to do so in the first place, and even if they did, the depending on the circumstances. Setting foot on someone else's property isn't the kind of thing that is rightly punishable by death. So yeah, absent other extenuating factors the shooter is a murderer and that's on them. That's a decision they made. The trespasser did not force them to act that way. There is not inexorable natural law that forces one to shoot those who violate tresp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 05:46 AM |
| -6 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutIt will get you far enough. You shouldn't compromise on some things, or nothing will ever improve. And I'm pretty sure fat men, short men, and men with questionable haircuts get laid all the time, mostly without RP bullshit. Centuries ago years ago lots of people thought that minorities "ought" to be free and equal before the law. People held onto their oughting with conviction and achieved their goals, despite the fact that JP_Whoregans of the time often repeated that it was all wishful thinkin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 05:37 AM |
| 1 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutPeople hiring prostitutes is totally OK, morally... provided you treat them with basic humanity as any other person you contract to perform a service for you. And you know who is shamed more than johns? Sex workers. I mean the way you describe the situation here drips with disdain for them and you're still going to pretend like there's not problem? Anyway, not sure what gave you the idea I wouldn't support decriminalization of sex work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 02:53 AM |
| 0 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutI would agree if you were talking about natural consequences, but you aren't. A woman can be willing to deal with the practical and natural consequences of her actions (pregnancy and std risk, logistics of social realtionsihps) without being willing to deal with the bullshit fabricated consequences from idiots. The "consequences" you are talking about are more like the "consequences" of being black in the 60s. Sure, they exist, but they are 100% socially fabricated and don't have any relation to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 02:39 AM |
| -5 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutPersonally I would, I totally agree. I think that non idiotic people can be found and it's a mistake to try to make due with someone who disdains some part of your past, or in the case of religion etc, a fundamental part of your identity. But humans being humans get invested before it's wise. Sunk cost fallacy kicks in and they start to think that they have to make it work. Or maybe they have been discouraged and think everyone else will be the same, so they might as well settle. I mean, how man… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 02:35 AM |
| -4 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutAnd hiding your promiscuity even when you know that there's nothing wrong with it, because you realize that many misguided or idiotic people around you will judge you negatively for that, is dealing with what is, not what ought to be. One ought to be able to reveal promiscuity without any negative consequences as there is nothing wrong with the behavior, but just as with homosexuality and atheism, in many environments it is often wiser to keep it to yourself, because one understands that what is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 12:51 AM |
| 1 | CMV: A Woman Hiding a Slutty Past is More Insecure than a Man Refusing to Marry a Former SlutThat you think perceived promiscuity is not punished or shamed in society is ridiculous. You're honestly living in a fantasy world if you think society is positive or even neutral towards female promiscuity. And just because a woman knows the people doing those things and believing those things about promiscuity are full of shit doesn't mean she can control them. Back when I still lived in my home state of South Carolina, I was not ashamed of my atheism, but I was very selective about who I reve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/15 12:47 AM |
| 3 | Punch and kool aid time with Torrey.what is your pill? blue What you do? I write/translate/manage the website for the mobile game of a certain popular franchise, and sometimes freelance for other game companies on the side. What do you do in your spare time? Play vid'ya games, draw pictures, make endless storyboards for animations I will never get around to creating, and play PbP roleplaying games (DnD, Exalted, Earthdawn). I could continue this list for a while, I really lack focus with my hobbies. what types of entertainment do … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/15 11:44 AM |
| 3 | Is shaming women for their bodily appearance (overweight or underweight) constructive? Why or why not?And maybe teenagers should practice abstinence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/15 11:21 AM |
| 2 | Is shaming women for their bodily appearance (overweight or underweight) constructive? Why or why not?He says, as he destroys people's motivation by denigrating them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/15 11:19 AM |
| 1 | Is shaming women for their bodily appearance (overweight or underweight) constructive? Why or why not?I'm pretty sure she means focusing on health outcomes. Making everything about size/weight is a recipe for people quitting in frustration. Actual strength gains in terms of lifting or endurance gains in terms of running/swimming can typically be observed very quickly after starting an exercise routine and will steadily increase afterwards. However, weight is lost more slowly and actually physically changing shape happens even more slowly than that. If people are only motivated by the "fat" angle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/15 11:18 AM |
| 1 | Is it manipulation if a wife will only have sex with her husband after he does all the house chores?I have to wash stuff as I go or other people will get upset and vote me off the island, as it were, but when I lived alone I admit I would put off the dishes for-fucking-ever. I really did hate that chore. Even cleaning the bathroom was generally preferable. I think it's the relentlessness of the chore. They build up so quickly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/15 11:10 AM |
| 1 | Are BPers mad at all that RP works?Can I imagine? The last guy I dated was a 28 year old virgin, is that close enough? Like you want this to be shocking and scandalous and it just. isn't. What matters is the other stuff about the guy. And according to your scenario, the other stuff is apparently good enough to garner interest in a woman dating him and having sex with him in the first place. Again, the TRP part would be worrying but simply that he's improved social skills or whatever? Good for him. I know that's tough. Now, I thin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/15 04:08 AM |
| 1 | Are BPers mad at all that RP works?I think she'd be put off by the TRP bit if she knew about what they actually believe, but I don't think she'd care that he used to be more of an awkward dork or whatever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/15 07:46 AM |
| 1 | Which gender do you think has it worse in the dating/sexual market?Being treated like a fetish is different than being generally considered attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/15 07:43 AM |
| 2 | What should women do ?So just... everyday life and reality as it already exists? Sure. Seems doable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/15 01:34 AM |
| 3 | Question for the modsThen we could pretend that mods were somehow above all this petty squabbling we plebs engage in and wouldn't that just be more soothing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/15 05:16 AM |
| 2 | Question for RP Men who have/want lots of casual sexBecause this is an internet forum and lacking any other source of evidence we mostly have no choice but to take people's word about their own internal experiences at face value? Or we could have the PPD camera crew follow you around for a year I guess... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/15 01:04 AM |
| 1 | Fat feminism (fat acceptance) is stupidMost things I've seen are along the lines of "fit at any weight" and encourage exercise, while telling people to focus on physical ability goals and not get frustrated because appearance goals are not being instantly met. And I support that, because most studies show that shaming people is a terrible way to get them to change. Eh, I guess I just can't bring myself to be upset over it. We might not "advocate alchoholism" but people certainly seem to be far more interested in being dicks to fat pe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/15 12:54 AM |
| 1 | Why is "you're insecure" only seen as an effective insult against men and not women?That's what empathizing is! No, empathizing is not projecting your own personal feelings that others who are not even having those feelings, empathy is mirroring the feelings others are having in yourself! I can't believe you think those are the same thing! You can't empathize with my disgust if I'm not feeling disgust. You can only project your own personal assumptions onto me, and maybe you think that's empathy but it's not. If I'm happily eating delicious bugs and you feel "emapthetic" disgus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/15 12:03 AM |
| 10 | The biggest misconception about TRP that I see on here is that it's aggressive rather than defensive.Agreed, and these kind of manipulation tactics work no matter what gender is using them. Men can, with the same ease, be emotionally abused into staying in unsatisfying or outright miserable relationships by a woman who's good at manipulation. The human psyche is vulnerable to these tactics - almost anyone can fall prey to them given the right set of circumstances or a sufficiently skilled manipulator, and it's intellectually dishonest to act like employing manipulation is irrelevant just becaus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/15 03:44 PM |
| 2 | How many of BPs and feminists are straight guys?I think you're being a little naive about the kinds of things TRP advocates. With the caveat that TRP isn't a monolith, whatever, it is hardly uncommon to see manipulation and even intimidation or deception advocated, and everything gets shrugged of as WHELP she could just LEAVE if she doesn't like it! (but I know she won't because I've been manipulating her to ensure that) Which is close enough if not as blatant as WHELP she could just say NO if she doesn't want to (but I know she won't because… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/15 03:09 PM |
| 9 | Do Guys and Gals agree on what makes for good girl gameVery often it don't feel that way to the guy If equality feels like losing out to him, and his idea of equal is "I decide what's what and she doesn't," he probably had skewed, dare I say, entitled ideas of what a relationship should be like in the first place, and I wouldn't want to be with someone who thinks his needs should automatically come first. ...I'd get resentful and shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/15 02:55 PM |
| 2 | How many of BPs and feminists are straight guys?No no no no, The Implication. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/15 02:04 PM |
| 4 | TRPers will never be happyPersonally, I've had enough of RP-types trying to say I must be miserable (or shortly about to be miserable) because I'm 30 and unattached etc etc etc. Well, I'm not. Life's great! Hanging out with friends, meeting new people... like, I just went out for steak last Friday with a total stranger I met in line at Taco Bell (we left Taco Bell and went to Outback), and it was awesome. Ahem. Anyway, so it would be hypocritical of me to turn around and claim that deep down they must be miserable just b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/15 10:11 AM |
| 2 | How many of BPs and feminists are straight guys?Because of the implication. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/15 09:55 AM |
| 1 | Why is it irrational for men to want women with lower partner counts, but rational for women to want taller men?I'm willing to admit that "arbitrary" might be the wrong word, but I'm really not sold on "rational" either. Many if not most of our inborn instincts are actually distinctly irrational and illogical and often counter-productive. Going beyond instinct, preference in general is often wildly irrational and counter-productive. Researching into cognitive biases and such really cements that for you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/15 09:47 AM |
| 1 | Why is "you're insecure" only seen as an effective insult against men and not women?We may ultimately just have to disagree on this point then, it is certainly not just phrasing, it's a qualitative difference in what is believed. 1) I just don't like A or 2) A is intrinsically bad and unlikable for reasons that have nothing to do with me. I believe they are qualitatively different things and on the topic of subjectivity, also that trying to act as if what constitutes "negative" is endlessly subjective is disingenuous/intellectually dishonest in most cases. Have you read any Sam… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/15 09:34 AM |
| 1 | Why is "you're insecure" only seen as an effective insult against men and not women?> That does seem unreasonable though. A preference is a judgment ultimately. I don't agree. For example, a preference would be that I prefer guys who don't smoke. I would not like to date or live with a smoker, even if he didn't smoke around me. I don't think smokers are "lesser" in any way. I realize that my preference against smokers is 100% personal, it has everything to do with me and nothing to do with them. I know that any given smoker could make a legitimately good partner for someone els… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/15 08:05 AM |
| 1 | Why is "you're insecure" only seen as an effective insult against men and not women?Huh. So you acknowledge there is something questionable about calling someone insecure. It requires moral justification in the manner that an attack would be -- as "self-defense," you might say. Yep. Why be a dick unnecessarily? Personally I don't think that you could actually meet that burden when it comes to saying that the entire class of people who find promiscuity unattractive in women are insecure. I don't need to meet the burden for the entire class of people, since I'm not talking to or … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/15 06:49 AM |
| 1 | Why is it irrational for men to want women with lower partner counts, but rational for women to want taller men?Okay so you've covered the "natural" angle, but we still haven't touched on "rational." Just because you can post-hoc a preference into making sense doesn't make the initial preference rational. AKA doing the rational thing for arbitrary reasons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/15 06:09 AM |
| 2 | Why is "you're insecure" only seen as an effective insult against men and not women?In general? Not called for. If those people are trying to shift blame for their own personal insecurities by making unfounded judgments on other people based on those personal insecurities? Fair game. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/15 05:53 AM |
| 5 | Why is it irrational for men to want women with lower partner counts, but rational for women to want taller men?Well, I don't think anyone has ever claimed that women's supposed exclusive preference for tallness was "rational" maybe they claimed it was "natural" but that's not the same thing. It's about as "rational" as preferring orange to blue, and I care about it about as much. At least it's not hypocritical like the chastity preference generally is, although even in that case I don't care as long as the person in question can realize that their feels don't actually mean anything about the value of the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/15 04:44 AM |
| 1 | BP: Does TBP really believe that TRP men only sleep with insecure, damaged women?Just because someone isn't drinking your cool aid doesn't mean they're a denialist. I've heard people not laugh with recognition at those jokes. I've seen them shuffle uncomfortably. I know so couples married years who are still enthusiastically physically affectionate with each other. My parents were one such couple, as I've said before on this sub. I can, honestly and sincerely tell you that your view of reality is warped and marriages don't near inevitably decline into a dead bedroom. My poin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/15 10:26 PM |
| 1 | Vicious double standard in in expected conformity to gender stereotypesThat's an other-people-problem. Genuine things happen often all the time. Just because other people don't want to hear about it anymore doesn't make the problem less genuine or less serious. Things like that should be tackled by changing attitudes, not by squeezing people who are already vulnerable and hurting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/15 10:20 PM |
| 0 | Vicious double standard in in expected conformity to gender stereotypesI don't encourage, but I don't condemn, either. I think it's misguided to even try to find the border. What does it matter if someone's reason for slitting their wrists was only 40% because they can't bear the pain of living and 60% because deep down they wanted to see if someone would actually care if they died? Is there any virtue to us as outsiders dissecting those motivations and issuing moral judgement based on them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/15 02:02 PM |
| 2 | Vicious double standard in in expected conformity to gender stereotypesI'm not sure what your point is? That's a pretty blatant non-sequitur. People who attempt suicide do need help, it's pretty tautological at that point, and if a failed attempt helps them get it, then I don't think that's a bad thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/15 01:45 PM |
| -1 | BP: Does TBP really believe that TRP men only sleep with insecure, damaged women?I mean. Stroll on over to /r/conspiracy to see about 300k people committed to a wide variety of colorful shared delusions. Seriously this shit isn't even rare. No one is saying you're lying just that you believe crazy, wrong, and harmful things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/15 11:10 AM |
| -1 | BP: Does TBP really believe that TRP men only sleep with insecure, damaged women?Relatable =/= actually true. There's plenty of political/partisan humor by anti-vaxxers or climate denialists or creationists etc etc aimed at making fun of people who believe in science. I know that inside those groups they find those jokes relateable and funny, but that means less than nothing for whether the positions highlighted by the jokes are true or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/15 11:04 AM |
| 14 | BP Men who don't care about partner count: If you found out your wife had actually slept with 100's of guys, would it change any opinion you had of her?The flair of this post is Question for BluePill. So the assumed situation is that this question is being proposed to a man in the blue pill provider, AFC, BB role. Yeah, but when most Blue Pillers think "Blue Pill" relationship, they think of a totally normal, healthy, relationship with maybe a few issues but generally good communication and generally good sex lives. You know, a normal relationship like the ones that most people find without having to do anything special. Just because Red Pill l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/15 07:27 AM |
| 9 | Vicious double standard in in expected conformity to gender stereotypesFeminism is actually what made me comfortable being feminine. I used to feel so bad acting feminine and doing feminine things because of the way society devalued women all the time, (for reference, see: TRP), and I felt like if I presented myself that way I would be accepting and buying into the devaluation. Feminism has a really strong femme-positivity thing, though, and it was a source of support that helped me feel comfortable embracing/declaring my own value, to hell with the incorrect deval… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/15 03:30 AM |
| 3 | Vicious double standard in in expected conformity to gender stereotypesfemale suicide attempts are just looking for attention ::shrug:: Nothing wrong with a cry for help when you actually need some damn help. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/15 03:24 AM |
| 6 | BP Men who don't care about partner count: If you found out your wife had actually slept with 100's of guys, would it change any opinion you had of her?Exactly. Either you're satisfied with the relationship, in which case who cares whether previous people got "more" than you? Or, you aren't satisfied with the relationship in which case the fact that you, currently, are dissatisfied is the issue and whether and how your partner behaved differently with different people in the past is irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/15 02:39 AM |
| 0 | How do gender quotas and affirmative action help? How are they not a backwards solution and hindrance to forward progress?It's not that the solution (as presented) is too good to be true, it's that the solution (as presented) is logistically impossible in almost every case, and in every case where an interview is involved. The solution is not telling someone not to consider race or gender. That is stupid, quite frankly. People have shown themselves unable to even perceive when their unconscious biases are influencing their decisions, so how could they possibly stop doing something that they (incorrectly) swear they… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/15 10:22 AM |
| 4 | "The Girl Effect Accelerator" argues helping adolescent third world girls will speed up developing countries.I haven't had a chance to look at the website, but I learned this for the first time back in college when we were studying relief efforts, and in at least one book, I read a fair bit of "the history of money/finance" type stuff so it will take me a while to find the reference (time I honestly don't have right this minute,) but it was not exactly a 'feminist' or even a 'liberal' source. Then there are documentaries and other sources. This is a pretty basic fact-of-reality when it comes to these s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/15 08:10 AM |
| 0 | sexual promiscuity is bad for both men and women, but the effects are far worse for womenI did't call you a red-piller. I said the above poster was referring to redpillers in this thread, which there are, even if you aren't one of them. And I don't know, we'll have to send the question before committee. Maybe you can get partial credit. How red are you feeling today? 60 percent? 40? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/15 07:55 AM |
| 3 | sexual promiscuity is bad for both men and women, but the effects are far worse for women-sees that red pillers are, hypocritically, not scrutinizing the self-reported data of this study as hard as they do for studies that don't comfortably align with their confirmation bias -Questions why this is so -Valid argument ftfy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/15 07:36 AM |
| 6 | "The Girl Effect Accelerator" argues helping adolescent third world girls will speed up developing countries.Sure, or they took the time to observe what different people actually do with the money they've been given/lent over decades of doing outreach and charity work, and through a variety of means including both donations and micro-loans. It's hardly surprising that these programs keep metrics to measure their success in helping people and calibrate future efforts. And in reality, they found that women are better risks for the loans and also more likely to use money they are given/lent towards improv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/15 07:16 AM |
| 6 | "The Girl Effect Accelerator" argues helping adolescent third world girls will speed up developing countries.No, they mean just spend it on her family in terms of food, housing, other needs/ or on improving business/the farm and thus means of supporting said family, instead of "depositing" it at the local bar like a lot of men in these areas tend to do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/15 07:07 AM |
| 4 | We are all living during an awkward time period in human history where the gender divide is virtually irreconcilibleIt'll be like Saturn's Children. None of the androids will realize that humans are beginning to go extinct until it's too late, and then they'll try to institute breeding programs but ultimately they won't be able to do anything about it. Centuries after that, android conservationists will try to bring us back with genetic engineering programs but it'll be so hard, because biological life is so fragile that they keep losing the colonies of humans to shit like radiation poisoning. Damn, I need to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/15 06:38 AM |
| 6 | Ladies, The Smarter You Are, The More Likely You Are To Be Single [Elite Daily]Or until they're still single and completely happy/satisfied with their lives at 35 and still don't fucking care. 35 is five years off for me, but I've been more single than not for my entire life, despite ample interest from men. I date when I want to, and when I do, there's always someone who wants to date me too. The rest of my life is great, too. I'm travelling, doing what I want, and have lately been making bigger strides towards reaching financial and career goals. No cats, but I'm thinkin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/15 09:42 AM |
| 2 | Different but equal .I understand the concept just fine, the only problem is that usually when someone expresses the sentiment, they have conspicuously stacked the "male" side of the equation with most of the positives and the "female" side with most of the negatives in their estimation, so it ends up being just schmaltzy lip service . It's usually along the lines of... Oh, of course men and women are equal, just different! ...Men are honorable, strong, rational, decisive, and women are capricious, weak, illogical a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/15 10:00 AM |
| 1 | If gender is a social construct, does that mean gay people are created and not born that way?I directly addressed a point they brought up as "biological" which is more likely attributable to environment and culture, and all the other points I addressed, unless you were unaware, have been targets of attempts to post-hoc some biological explanation. For example, for why pink is feminine. I've seen people argue this, apparently completely unaware of a) the history in the west wherein pink used to be regarded as the more masculine color and b) the fact that different cultures all have wildl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/15 04:29 AM |
| 4 | If gender is a social construct, does that mean gay people are created and not born that way?Those are excellent examples, presentation is a HUGE part of the social concept of gender and those are all major aspects of presentation. Babies aren't pristine and untouched by society, they are learning from the people around them, and adults talk to baby girls (or, per the studies, babies they THINK are girls) a lot more than they talk to baby boys, and since we know how much babies' language development is informed by the people around them talking to them, it's no wonder boys are talking l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/15 05:03 AM |
| 5 | BPers, what is your sexual strategy?Don't forget that TRP is also the only place that will tell you the dark secret that women prefer sexier men over less sexy ones. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/15 04:34 AM |
| 4 | If gender is a social construct, does that mean gay people are created and not born that way?That's not what is being said. And it's been demonstrated. Take pink being "feminine" when pink used to be "masucline." That is a gendered thing, there is nothing intrinsically masculine or feminine about the color pink, the only thing connecting it to a gender is society's definition, and that is a definition that has changed over the year. Take dresses, I.E. non-bifurcated garments. Seen as feminine in the west, but for centuries seen as non-gender-coded in many other societies, and even in th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/15 04:23 AM |
| 1 | Feminists and Bluepillers need to stop hanging their hat on this notion of "sexual objectification"But they never could treat that car with as much respect as a person, because the car does not have those essential human traits to be respected, so it doesn't matter the person or how well they were treating the car, to treating the car, they are still treating it without regard for it's opinions, desires, and personal agency. Because it doesn't have those. And if they treated a human in the same way, as if they didn't have those things, it would be treating them badly, and without respect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/04/15 03:34 AM |
| 1 | Feminists and Bluepillers need to stop hanging their hat on this notion of "sexual objectification"You said you could treat someone 'well' if you treated them like a cherished object like your miniatures, and that you didn't understand how that would be treating them badly. I'm trying to point out why objectification is bad, and it's because, objects, no matter how cherished, do not have human traits and treating humans as if they don't have those traits is not treating them well. That is objectification, and that is why people have a problem with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/04/15 01:37 AM |
| 2 | Men's friendships with women 'driven by sexual attraction' -- Women found to be predictably oblivious to this factDo you honestly believe that having no interest in sexing someone requires disgust? Upthread they're talking about how women can never understand the male sex drive blah blah, but in my experience guys have a hard time understanding attraction. As in the lack of it doesn't mean a women thinks anything bad about you as a person. Sure it can be because someone is disgusting and hideous, but it's not required. I can think a guy is fun, interesting, objectively physically "attractive" and still not … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/04/15 01:32 AM |
| 3 | Men's friendships with women 'driven by sexual attraction' -- Women found to be predictably oblivious to this factIt doesn't have to have a chance to grow into more in order to be a "genuine friendship". My best friend and I are probably never going to date, I'm just not attracted to her, but that doesn't cheapen our friendship. I'd imagine you have no plans on fucking your male best friend either. Most deep, genuine friendships are never going to "develop" into anything but deeper, genuine friendships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/04/15 01:29 AM |
| 1 | Men's friendships with women 'driven by sexual attraction' -- Women found to be predictably oblivious to this factNot in those words, but since there are so few of those people I do tend to ask them out. I can't remember passing up on asking out a guy I was genuinely attracted to, ever, even if it took me a while to get up my courage. For lulz, the most recent of these had "no idea I felt that way about him!" he thought we were "just friends" and that maybe I even though he was annoying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/04/15 01:22 AM |
| 1 | Feminists and Bluepillers need to stop hanging their hat on this notion of "sexual objectification"Yes, I already covered the fact that they don't have any, that's the point. If you were to treat a human like you treat your miniatures, as if they didn't have any of those things, that would be objectifying and dehumanizing and it would not be treating them "well" no matter how superficially 'nice' you are to your miniatures. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/04/15 12:48 AM |
| 1 | Feminists and Bluepillers need to stop hanging their hat on this notion of "sexual objectification"Yeah, but you also don't respect your miniature's opinions, or autonomy, or take their personal goals or desires etc into account when you interact with them. You mostly don't do this because (I hope) your miniatures are only miniatures and are not innocent people you've shrunk and frozen in place with your dark sorcery, and thus do not have goals or desires, but that is the point of "objectifying" someone, it is to treat them as if they were objects and lacked all of those human facets. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/15 06:42 AM |
| 2 | Feminists and Bluepillers need to stop hanging their hat on this notion of "sexual objectification"Hopefully you are treating your friends and family like people (though not everyone does, I am aware), so I still don't understand what you mean by saying you could treat someone like an object and still treat them "well". Could you elaborate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/15 06:23 AM |
| 2 | Feminists and Bluepillers need to stop hanging their hat on this notion of "sexual objectification"You aren't treating someone "well" if you aren't treating them like a human (with respect). What do you actually mean by this as applied to a human being? How do you imagine it could be done? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/15 05:40 AM |
| 2 | In addition to "The Wall" there is also the "Skeletor Phase." TRP seems to be aware of it, but they haven't labelled it. Is there a real feminist plan for the Skeletor Phase?Yzma? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/15 12:54 AM |
| 1 | Question for blue pill: why is it so bad for men to complain about woman, but not the other way around?Almost no feminists say that outside of TERFs, and even tumblr hates them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/15 12:00 AM |
| 2 | Question for blue pill: why is it so bad for men to complain about woman, but not the other way around?Pretty sure he's talking about proposals (none have been implemented that I'm aware) to teach all children about consent. With general stuff about non sexual touching for young kids up to actual discussion of sex for high schoolers. No on has ever suggested boys had or needed to be trained out of, "rapey urges," only that many people are confused about consent and don't understand for example, that unconscious people can't consent, and we should begin to tackle this with education. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/15 11:56 PM |
| 1 | Question for RPers - I've seen the following view expressed by other RPers that Islam has a cultural solution to what you view as the problem with "hook up culture". What do you think of the argument?It depends. Were they football players or were they making sure nuclear reactors don't meltdown? Are they equally distributed between window-dressing and crucial? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/15 01:05 PM |
| 1 | An older woman's dating problem [Article]Being seen as sexy and being treated like a sex object are two entirely different things. It's not some kind of craaazy contradiction if someone wants to be recognized as attractive but not objectified or treated in a dehumanizing fashion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/15 12:58 PM |
| 1 | How do BP and TRP explain the (drastic) decrease of sex frequency in marriage? What would both sides do to fix it?I can be certain that I have the final say on whether those kids come from my uterus, and that will have to be enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/15 12:21 AM |
| 0 | "But the past is the past and that doesn't matter! I'm not like that anymore!"Why, you are correct! I rescind my previous commentary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/15 02:20 PM |
| 5 | "But the past is the past and that doesn't matter! I'm not like that anymore!"Also note how he added additional intended-to-be-negative features to the "slut" in his scenario. Not just a virgin and girl with a high partner count, but a virgin and an old, presumably ugly whore. What about a 40 year old virgin? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/15 03:26 AM |
| 6 | "But the past is the past and that doesn't matter! I'm not like that anymore!"I wouldn't feel betrayed, because people do change. If I was with this guy long enough to potentially feel "betrayed" by finding out how he acted with girls in the past, then I will probably have stayed because satisfied with the the level of attention and romance I was getting. If I'm not, that's the real issue, and it has nothing to do with his past and everything to do with his current behavior and whether or not it meets my needs/requirements in a relationship. I've put up with a lot of shit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/15 03:23 AM |
| 1 | Women see men as pure utilityYou know, I never really saw the appeal. I prefer baked goods. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/15 02:24 AM |
| 1 | Women see men as pure utilityIn fairness to most of those people, they usually come from cultures which relentlessly reassure them of the truth of those religions from a very early age. Ayn Rand can't really compete with that kind of following or long-term ideology support network. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/15 02:19 AM |
| 0 | Something i've noticed is that Black People (especially men) spit out truth when it comes to gender relations while most White People dress everything up in pretty little lies.In the name of our patron saint Solanas, Her Queendom come, Her will be done, in IRL as it is on tumblr, amen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/15 05:32 AM |
| -1 | Something i've noticed is that Black People (especially men) spit out truth when it comes to gender relations while most White People dress everything up in pretty little lies.I've checked. It's still there, safe and sound. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/15 05:21 AM |
| 3 | I believe we should normalize male to female gangbanging (men generally don't have the capacity for reverse gangbangs anyhow) as the preferred reproductive system - so the healthiest sperm wins and that the one man one woman system is an evolutionary mistake.That swinger's name? Albert Einstein. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/15 05:00 AM |
| 1 | Something i've noticed is that Black People (especially men) spit out truth when it comes to gender relations while most White People dress everything up in pretty little lies.I'm not on twitter. And you said "Feminists," not "White Feminists," so I responded in kind. I may not disagree with you at all on the topic of white feminists. If so, cheers, we are in accord on this one issue. I don't really see the need to be snappish about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/15 04:56 AM |
| 1 | Platespinning does not make sense.Yes, sure, your casual dating is much more special than everyone else's. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/15 04:51 AM |
| 0 | Something i've noticed is that Black People (especially men) spit out truth when it comes to gender relations while most White People dress everything up in pretty little lies.Feminists critique black culture all the time. I follow several people who do it every day. Most of them are, themselves, black, of course, and also very critical of white feminists' "analyses" of black culture, but they are there and vocal and active. The only way you could say this is if you think "feminists" are composed of the same three white women or something. Which, in terms of coverage I will admit might be an easy mistake to make, but it's still a mistake. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/15 04:44 AM |
| 3 | Do BluePill men truly believe they are the ‘best their girlfriend/wife ever had”?Why, for only several small payments of 19.99... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/15 12:58 AM |
| 11 | Bisexual/pansexual people: What would you say the major differences between dating men and dating women are, and would you say they are inline with redpill beliefes?My experience is kind of opposite /u/Bakerofpie, I guess. I'm attracted to pretty much the same thing in both sexes which is to say, cute(?) "adorkable" people. I guess I lean dominant with either sex, though I don't really care to dominate it's more of a protective flavor maybe... and I dislike being the shorter partner, but I haven't had much trouble with that, for both sexes, either. I do have one experience that kind of jibes with RP. I've been, I guess, strung along by a girl before. I most… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/15 04:05 AM |
| -3 | Is it just me or are women generally more honest/nicer to one night stands than they are to guys they want relationships from?no it really doesn't. yes-huh times infinity. nothing "I respect you" more than setting up a date with your fuckbuddy in the bathroom while you're on a date with your future LTR LOL! Oh so now the eeevil sloot is having her fuckbuddy follow her around and hide in the bathroom as she jaunts around on dates! I'm sure by next round of reply you'll add more tantalizing details. Maybe they laugh about Our Poor Hero while they're having evil sloot sex? Look, if you have to keep adding random, salaciou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/15 12:53 AM |
| -4 | Is it just me or are women generally more honest/nicer to one night stands than they are to guys they want relationships from?as if that somehow invalidates anything I said. It invalidates your weird assumption that anyone had an obligation to be exclusive or that anyone was deceived into the impression that they were not exclusive. looks to me like all she values him for is his wallet. Well sure if you're going to keep pulling things out of your ass, I guess. More likely she just, you know, likes him and wants an LTR. You know, human bonding things between humans with basic respect for each other. Normal dating. wrong… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/15 10:33 PM |
| -3 | Is it just me or are women generally more honest/nicer to one night stands than they are to guys they want relationships from?because the topic is how women tread ONS vs LTRs Yeah, but the topic is also only talking about the very beginning of an LTR when this stuff would be happening, when it's not an LTR yet and they're still non-exclusively dating. she's making him wait because she doesn't want him to think she's a slut. Personally I would make him wait just to weed out redpill types since they're always going on about how they next girls who don't put out or whatever, but the girl in our example is probably doing i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/15 09:40 PM |
| -6 | Is it just me or are women generally more honest/nicer to one night stands than they are to guys they want relationships from?It was the part where you exclusively focused on the woman. In other words, pretty much all the parts. How is someone being lied to in our hypothetical here? Just two people starting to date, not exclusive yet, who cares if they sleep with other people before they make things official? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/15 08:56 PM |
| -4 | Is it just me or are women generally more honest/nicer to one night stands than they are to guys they want relationships from?Please, yourself. I guess you aren't going to explain why, if two people are both non-exclusive and honest with each other about that, it's a problem if one of them sleeps with someone else but only if it's the woman... What logic gets you there? If you can't understand that people just want different things from different people at different times, and there's nothing wrong with that as long as no one has been lied to and everyone is fine with what they are in fact getting, then, well, you're b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/15 08:42 PM |
| 0 | Your take on the 'women love a man with dreams and goals' thing?WE DID ANSWER IT. It's not "wrong" to want those things, we just think those things are shitty. Literally how many times does someone have to say that before it sinks into your skull? Also, If a woman has passions/hobbies, great. If she doesn't, great. It's not a priority for me. So in otherwords, as I say, you don't actually care about her as a human being since you are literally indifferent to everything but aforementioned slave-functions. Not caring either way is the actual definition of indi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/15 06:37 PM |
| 0 | Your take on the 'women love a man with dreams and goals' thing?Where did you say that? Was it here, in the very post that started this particular thread? That's untrue. I give a shit about her desire to be a good wife. I care about her hope to sexually please me every day. I encourage her dreams of becoming the best possible wife/gf possible. Anything else though isn't actively supported. ...Hmmm, no, that's not it. That's the exact opposite of that. Hmm... You seriously can't be this dense about how you're coming across to people when you say things like t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/15 06:23 PM |
| 0 | Is it just me or are women generally more honest/nicer to one night stands than they are to guys they want relationships from?If they're not exclusive, what is the actual problem? He's probably dating other people too in that case. As long as no one is being misled I don't see what the issue is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/15 06:07 PM |
| 1 | Your take on the 'women love a man with dreams and goals' thing?Dude no one has ever said you can't want those things, merely that they are shitty and in /u/callmesir35 's case, logistically unreasonable things to want. People are telling you to get a sex bot because it doesn't appear you have any interest in another human being, merely in the slave-functions they could potentially perform for you. I tried to draw a corollary but I couldn't think of anything I wanted that would result in completely dehumanizing another person if implemented so I guess I'm fr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/15 06:02 PM |
| 7 | Is it just me or are women generally more honest/nicer to one night stands than they are to guys they want relationships from?What hoops? Like waiting to have sex they both want some arbitrarily prescribed number of dates so insecure guys don't jump to idiotic conclusions? Stuff like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/15 04:54 PM |
| -5 | Men do not age better than womenLol what. That graph shows literally the exact opposite of what you claim for every age after 30, and even before that they only want "older" by AT MOST three years and usually one or two i.e. pretty much the same age for all intents and purposes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/15 08:25 AM |
| 9 | Is it just me or are women generally more honest/nicer to one night stands than they are to guys they want relationships from?No need to get huffy. I prefer 'glib.' Doesn't matter. Withholding sex from a guy is like a guy refusing to look at/speak to a woman. Validation is to women what sex is to men. Lol no. Nice try. What is it with these overwrought theatrics about how mean it is for a woman not to have sex with a guy...? Seriously, in the case we're discussing, they've just started dating. If he doesn't value her as a person more than he values her body, again, then they want different things and he's free to leave… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/15 08:09 AM |
| 6 | Is it just me or are women generally more honest/nicer to one night stands than they are to guys they want relationships from?Nice non sequitur. Pretty sure this whole thread was in the context of the very beginning of a relationship, i.e. decidedly short term, but whatever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/15 07:47 AM |
| 8 | Is it just me or are women generally more honest/nicer to one night stands than they are to guys they want relationships from?Sounds like a low-value (to me) kind of attitude that I'd be pretty happy to have voluntarily remove himself from my life. It's pretty self-serving to (seemingly) imply that every girl who doesn't "do what she needs" to keep some self-declared catch around is unhappy with the results of that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/15 06:13 AM |
| 7 | Is it just me or are women generally more honest/nicer to one night stands than they are to guys they want relationships from?Excellent, she's eliminated someone who's values didn't align and wasn't worth her time and he gets to go do whatever, everyone wins! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/15 06:10 AM |
| 1 | Men who "took the red pill" : have you ever tried being genuinely respectful toward women ?It would be literally impossible to prevent a sincerely held negative opinion from affecting the interaction, even if the effect in question wasn't blatant rudeness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/15 08:19 AM |
| 3 | Men who "took the red pill" : have you ever tried being genuinely respectful toward women ?What does speaking up in public have to do with the question? My father does not generally like or respect certain types of non white people, but he knows well enough to keep his mouth shut about it in public. He's perfectly capable of being pleasant. Still doesn't respect them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/15 08:13 AM |
| 4 | If a prostitute has sex with a man and then the man doesn't pay her, is it rape?I feel like the deception has to be explicit... and explicitly relevant to the victim. I.E. lying about being a CEO is not rape but lying about being your twin brother is. Saying you are loaded but not offering quid pro quo is not rape, but explicitly or strong-implicitly offering payment and not delivering is. Explicitly or strong-implicitly threatening consequences in a unbalanced power situation or a situation you've manipulated to appear to be such is also rape. E.G. Police officer vaguely i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/15 04:57 AM |
| 1 | CMV: "Just talk about it" suggestions are attempts to consciously resolve problems that are unconscious in nature.Not only that, but the thing Sapp (would have) got(ten) would be qualitatively different than the thing the willing guy partners got. Sex with someone who isn't into it, even if they care enough to pretend, which isn't guaranteed, isn't the same experience as sex with an enthusiastic partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/15 04:51 AM |
| 4 | CMV: "Just talk about it" suggestions are attempts to consciously resolve problems that are unconscious in nature.I'll go farther and say I don't think it's actually possible to pay someone to be attracted to you unless they are already attracted to you for other reasons. :/ How would that work? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/15 05:42 PM |
| 4 | CMV: "Just talk about it" suggestions are attempts to consciously resolve problems that are unconscious in nature.No. But even primal things can be disrupted by environmental influences. Hunger is primal but unpleasant environmental effects can still put someone off their appetite. The purpose of the conscious deliberation and/or negotiation is not to kindle desire, it is only to resolve the unpleasant environmental effects which are standing in the way of the primal drive. As far as I'm aware, literally no one thinks you can negotiate a woman into getting wet or whatever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/15 05:27 PM |
| 1 | If TRP wasn't as hateful as it is, people would be more accepting of the truths.To be fair, it often involves blaming. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/15 04:01 PM |
| 2 | How many of you have children? If you don't have children now, do you anticipate that you will have children within, say, the next 5-10 years?Adopt kids that already exist. Give them a better life in midst of dogshit world. Avoid bringing more kids into world that might rapidly devolve into blender of human carnage. Win/win. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/15 06:35 AM |
| 2 | How many of you have children? If you don't have children now, do you anticipate that you will have children within, say, the next 5-10 years?No children no plans to have any biological ones. Miiiiiight adopt in 5-10 years if I really, really want to. Adopt a child, not a baby. Also probably 5 years is still WAY too soon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/15 05:35 AM |
| 1 | Don't get the whole slut-shaming going on in the RPW and TRP.You're wrong because you're being disingenuous about how these words are used in everyday life and what people generally mean when they say them, and "dictionary says so" arguments are bullshit. Or that's my guess. You'd have to ask whoever downvoted you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/15 10:14 AM |
| 4 | Don't get the whole slut-shaming going on in the RPW and TRP.Only two of those are natural consequences, only one of those exclusively effects women, and the remaining one, STI risk, can be reduced to a VERY low level by just being careful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/15 10:10 AM |
| 2 | Common courtesy to women is shit-testing to see if you're low-value. High-value men don't act that way to women.Before that we'd just chatted at our mutual part-time job and went out to lunch once. You know, friend things. Even today I go out to lunch with co-workers all the damn time. Why am I the one who's supposed to mind read? No wonder women get confused, when just talking to a guy like a normal fucking person is misconstrued as "flirting." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/15 01:37 AM |
| 5 | Common courtesy to women is shit-testing to see if you're low-value. High-value men don't act that way to women.I was 21, I think, or within a year either way. Well, I wouldn't think less of him if I asked him, that would be ridiculous, and I can see situations in which I might not want to walk to the car by myself. If he offered, I would not think less of him unless he tried to push the issue if/after I declined. Again, I can see situations in which it would be reasonable to consider that that might be necessary. I might think he was a little silly if we were in a very safe place or if the car was very c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/15 06:19 AM |
| 4 | If gender is nothing but a social construct, how do you explain transsexuals?I'm not dodging anything, honestly. Perhaps you need to read the thread again. I made my point, and you ignored it. If you don't feel like actually addressing what I said, then fine, I can't make you, but your charade is getting a little ridiculous at this point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/15 05:55 AM |
| 4 | If gender is nothing but a social construct, how do you explain transsexuals?You're the one dodging the point, again, the phrase is 'All Women Are Like That,' not 'Many Women Are Like That'. It's amazing how RPers will pretend they don't say incredibly stupid shit outside of the confines of their own "safe spaces". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/15 05:52 AM |
| 4 | If gender is nothing but a social construct, how do you explain transsexuals?There's often plenty of nuance to it, unlike the claims made in RP. But sure, dodge the point. I wouldn't want to be in the position of having to explain that kind of hypocrisy either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/15 05:40 AM |
| 10 | Common courtesy to women is shit-testing to see if you're low-value. High-value men don't act that way to women.I won't think less of a guy who did normal, courteous things but being singled out for chivalry is feels weird and awkward the guy is, through his actions, putting distance between him and you, pedestal distance that makes it difficult to just relate to him in a normal way and relax. The most awkward date I ever had was a guy who was practically diving in front of me to make sure I didn't open a door. If he had thrown his damn coat on a puddle for me I would not have been surprised. I had to rea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/15 05:36 AM |
| 8 | If gender is nothing but a social construct, how do you explain transsexuals?You... wouldn't perhaps be one of those people who claims we should just know somehow that AWALT doesn't actually mean ALL women, would you? Just curious. EDIT: Also it's not a thing I say or have ever said, so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/15 05:20 AM |
| 12 | If gender is nothing but a social construct, how do you explain transsexuals?Does anyone here actually believe that gender is 100% social construct? Like, do any of my fellow BPers believe that? Because I sure as fuck don't and I don't recall seeing anyone else say that either. I'm sick of seeing this bullshit strawman of the actual position which is simply that gender expression is highly malleable by culture, something which is strongly supported by all available evidence, as opposed to RP who seem to think it's 99.5% biologically determined or something. No one is say… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/15 02:38 AM |
| -1 | Former Solicitor says: "everything TRP believes about divorce is basically garbage."I do think the sex thing is cynical. My parents certainly were physically affectionate for the entire duration of their marriage till death did they part, and once my brother and I were older they were never shy about talking/joking about it either. Or especially quiet all the time. The married friends I know are also not having any issues, and yes we talk about that stuff. It seems success is still fairly likely to me. I think the rate of "success" was artificially high before. I wouldn't count… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/15 08:44 AM |
| 1 | Former Solicitor says: "everything TRP believes about divorce is basically garbage."Eh, well, I do, agree about marriage in general, though I don't sign onto the overall cynical view, I guess? I don't think it's a bedroom killer. It's a thing to do if you would personally find it meaningful or worthwhile and to avoid otherwise, because, you're right, there aren't really that many benefits, or not enough to make it advisable. And I think that goes for both women and men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/15 08:20 AM |
| 1 | Former Solicitor says: "everything TRP believes about divorce is basically garbage."And none of this is countering my points. Gee, maybe because I'm agreeing with you? Just elaborating on why the situations might be different. Edit: Tangential, but one way marriage ties into the US's crappy support system is for the same reason I mentioned before, if women get married even if they are in a happy relationship, the family unit will be ineligible for support many times even if they need it because the government will assume support on the part of the father. In some situations, ev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/15 08:11 AM |
| 2 | Former Solicitor says: "everything TRP believes about divorce is basically garbage."Point of order, that's not actually the premise of Affirmative Action. It's based on the idea that you should choose the minority candidate when they are equally qualified, to compensate for the fact that equally or even better qualified candidates are perceived and treated as less qualified than non minority candidates when this is objectively not the case. It's aiming to get around the unconscious bias. Totally blind hiring would have the same effect, (As is demonstrated with blind auditions f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/15 07:56 AM |
| 2 | Former Solicitor says: "everything TRP believes about divorce is basically garbage."The Dutch have a halfway decent social support system that doesn't force mothers to go after the bio dad if they do end up needing to use the support system. Even if the Mom would just as soon leave the father out of it the US government's stance is, " If we're paying, he's paying first." and mothers are required to attempt to extract child support in many cases before they can access other aid. Or so I understand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/15 07:46 AM |
| 2 | Do you think women are as interested in sex as men are?It's adorable you think that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/15 03:57 AM |
| 1 | Is there such a thing as WGTOW?WGTOW as in someone deliberately, for lack of a better word, "flouncing" from the dating scene for one reason or another, or just... someone not dating? Personally, I can go years without dating just...because. I don't think of dating as something I deliberately decide not to do during these periods, I just ...don't date, in the same way I might happen to set aside a hobby for a while (haven't knitted in forever, but it's not like I'm avoiding it). And that just seems different than MGTOW, or wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/15 04:42 AM |
| 1 | Nagging/Peer Pressure for SexSo the answer would be that you're just a dishonorable and immoral person I guess? I don't see an actual reason for deceit in this circumstance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/15 02:41 AM |
| 1 | Have you seen Hjernevask?Cheers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/15 01:15 AM |
| 1 | Nagging/Peer Pressure for SexNot at all. Why would it be a stupid question? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/15 01:08 AM |
| 2 | Nagging/Peer Pressure for SexIf she has other things going for her, I would keep her around while at the same time look to replace her with someone better. Out of curiosity, would you inform her of your intention to branch swing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/15 10:35 AM |
| 4 | Nagging/Peer Pressure for SexAnd tons of people, because of porn, are doing it horribly wrong while blissfully ignorant of the fact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/15 07:32 PM |
| 2 | @RP: How would you teach your children (specifically your sons) about the Red Pill? @BP: Do you think children should be taught about TRP from a Red Pill perspective? Why or why not?but the man was no more free to walk away from providing for her than she from him. Really? He was significantly more free to walk away. It might have been frowned upon and gotten him a bad reputation, but men were rarely severely punished for or physically prevented from abandoning their partners. For women, she might just be dragged back to her husbands house and not allowed to leave, or worst case scenario being outright executed on assumed/accused adultery for trying to leave. That's if leav… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/15 12:29 AM |
| 1 | @RP: How would you teach your children (specifically your sons) about the Red Pill? @BP: Do you think children should be taught about TRP from a Red Pill perspective? Why or why not?I will agree that if you pedestalize someone you don't necessarily respect them as people Ok! Cool, then we agree! This was literally my point. However, if you pedestalize someone, you are giving them more credence than you would and average. 1) Not necessarily. 2) Even when that is the case, 'more than usual' doesn't mean much when 'the usual' was at rock bottom. That's basic, irrefutable, dictionary logic. There's a reason why it's generally a pretty bad idea to apply 'dictionary' logic to rea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/15 12:19 AM |
| 1 | Have you seen Hjernevask?I don't care for pudding. It's the texture, you know? Tapioca is less bad, but generally I like my deserts to be at least as firm as a flan. EDIT: Sigh, okay, I'll stop. I didn't mean to take the glib this far to be honest, but y'all sure are having an outsize reaction to one joking comment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/15 07:07 PM |
| 4 | @RP: How would you teach your children (specifically your sons) about the Red Pill? @BP: Do you think children should be taught about TRP from a Red Pill perspective? Why or why not?I'm positive many women in the past were indifferent about or even hostile to 'their' men, since women were forced into relationships just to support themselves. Which is also why I'm positive many did only care about the support, when being single was literally not a survivable option. So turning it around doesn't change anything. It's hardly comparable when women didn't have a free choice or any power in the relationship and men did. And I don't have to assume anything about what men thought o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/15 10:05 AM |
| 4 | Have you seen Hjernevask?No? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/15 09:04 AM |
| 5 | @RP: How would you teach your children (specifically your sons) about the Red Pill? @BP: Do you think children should be taught about TRP from a Red Pill perspective? Why or why not?It implies nothing of the sort. Men have pedestalized woman for centuries without even slightly respecting or valuing them as people, but only as pretty objects that they could do sex to and use to acquire heirs. Fuck that kind of treatment. Maybe he would take care of the woman he thought he owned, maybe he even was fond of her, but he didn't respect her. He didn't value her, any comparably pretty and fertile woman would work. Sure, not everyone was like that, some people formed genuine persona… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/15 08:48 AM |
| 6 | Have you seen Hjernevask?Look it's either that movie, or leg day. and I'm sure you understand that leg day must come first. We have only so many minutes to spare for such pursuits, in our tragically brief mortal lives. ::stares fixedly into the distance:: | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/15 02:26 AM |
| 1 | Have you seen Hjernevask?I'm not going to watch it, but only because my free time is precious and I need to use it for the most important things, like catching up on sleep, reading comics while eating cookie dough, or arguing with people on reddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/15 12:40 AM |
| 9 | A Modest Proposition, to Attenuate the Sufferings of the Involuntarily Celebate MenIt really isn't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/15 11:23 PM |
| 0 | How do you handle being in love, or have you never been?I don't think I've ever been in love. I've been infatuated with someone who didn't reciprocate, and in lust with a few people who did. No love, though. I guess I don't get attached to people easily. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/15 02:28 PM |
| 6 | What do you think of Islam's treatment of women and masculinity?I'm genuinely curious what this question has to do with one's sluttiness level, insofar as being "slutty" usually requires the interaction of other persons and toys do not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/15 06:16 AM |
| 1 | Pretty balanced views but I do somewhat agree that men are (naturally) the gatekeepers to commitmentThat's where bread sandwiches come in. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/15 08:07 AM |
| 2 | RP: what are some examples of unfair treatment of women in your country? BP: what are some examples of unfair treatment of men in your country?I was depressed for a few months after making a choice between one of two job transfers. Should no one in the organization get to choose, ever again? People sometimes fuck up and make decisions they personally regret. That doesn't mean we should take the choice away from everyone, or that the choice itself is bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/15 12:28 PM |
| 2 | RP: what are some examples of unfair treatment of women in your country? BP: what are some examples of unfair treatment of men in your country?It's not, really? College doesn't cost that much less for men the last time I heard. It's the price of doing business if one wants to play the game, no matter your gender. I'm much better off now, even with my debt than I would have been without the benefit that my schooling gave me. What could I have aspired to without it in our current system? Certainly not both comfort and independence at the same time. I mean, the student debt / credentials system is fucked up don't get me wrong, but that, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/15 12:23 PM |
| 1 | RP: what are some examples of unfair treatment of women in your country? BP: what are some examples of unfair treatment of men in your country?My brother burned himself welding and got himself to the point where he was at risk of losing his arm or dying by ignoring it. Thankfully mom was there to browbeat him into going to the doctor. SIGH. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/15 12:18 PM |
| -1 | The 1 to 1 pairing lie.She was probably just worried about the evil fox spirit the village elders sealed into your body shortly after you were born. You really should have that looked at. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/15 12:05 PM |
| 5 | Bluepillers: If not hate, then how should newbie Redpillers get started?Just imagine when he will meet that hamster in couple of years and she will realise(sic) that she once dumped a doctor who has a body of bodybuilder LOL, Except she didn't. She dumped a doctor with self-admitted unhealthy eating habits who consequently had a body that was unattractive to her, after giving him a chance to improve himself within the relationship, even. RP would be cheering on a guy who did the same thing, or who even never gave the girl a chance, but what a bitch amirite? Most of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/15 01:35 AM |
| 3 | Bluepillers: If not hate, then how should newbie Redpillers get started?Time to watch the prequel You don't have to, really. Love yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/15 01:23 AM |
| 6 | Making future predictionsBP would be more like "plenty of men like smart women (and you don't want the ones who don't, anyway)" or "A lot of men care mostly about looks (and you won't want them anyway)" I don't see how those are a lie. Hell even with the more uncharitable phrasing you use in your second parody advice there, it's not even that bad. I'm also almost 30 having worked my butt off to be where I am, still working my butt off to get debt free and more comfortable financially now. I do what I love with my free t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/15 08:20 PM |
| 8 | The elephant in the room... a question for RPers: are the women on PPD "like that?"I believe I am on record as not agreeing with that sentiment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/15 09:20 AM |
| 14 | The elephant in the room... a question for RPers: are the women on PPD "like that?"We're accused of hating women when we talk to them here reasonably and normally every day Do you mean just accusations of misogyny? Because that isn't precluded by talking to someone "reasonably and normally." My dad reeeeally doesn't like arabs/muslims but he's not going to be out burning a fucking cross about it. He can have a reasonable pleasant conversation with that one muslim co-worker and still come home and talk about how they're all savages. If someone believes I am fundamentally child-… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/15 07:56 AM |
| 0 | If make up and dressing up is something women do for themselves or other women...Un-mainstream fashion. Goth or goth-loli stuff, steampunkish stuff, even just random weirdness sometimes. I used to have this rainbow bead headdress and calf-length tie-die vest that I wore the fuck out of. Most guys don't like those kinds of things at all, but I love dressing up like that. I plan days around outfits and just going out to be dressed up and have fun. Clothes are a hobby I do for me. Not wearing makeup pretty much ever. Not straightening my curly as fuck hair. Not plucking or scul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/15 07:34 AM |
| -1 | What's your take on Pierce Brosnan choice of staying and being in love with an obese woman?Huh? Just because something was supposed to be, doesn't mean it is. Haha , so in Reddit world Pierce Brosnan is ugly so he should be with a fatty. Your words, not mine. In the real world, he's not ugly, and she's not fat (certainly not obese). But he is definitely not hot, and also pretty old. She is just as definitely not slim, but not unattractive because of that. They are both pretty well matched in terms of looks. Either one of them could probably do a little better if they wanted to. But ag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/15 11:01 PM |
| 1 | top five bands/movies/tv-shows?Everything is in no particular order. Bands: Fall Out Boy, Billy Talent, LM.C, something something two others. Eh, Masterplan? Sure, Masterplan. Annnd uh... An Cafe. Movies Books: Lies of Locke Lamora, Banner of the Damned, River of Stars, The Blade Itself, Bel Dame Apocrypha TV Shows: Chun Hyang, Madoka Magica, Start Trek - exp DS9 and Voyager, Law and Order- the all of it, Early Edition | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/15 01:24 PM |
| 0 | What's your take on Pierce Brosnan choice of staying and being in love with an obese woman?He's supposed to be the supreme man. Yeah, and I was supposed to be out of debt by 30 but that's not looking like it's going to happen either. ::shrug:: IDK what to tell you man. He doesn't even make the bottom of my list, and from the comments that doesn't seem to be a minority opinion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/15 01:00 PM |
| 3 | What's your take on Pierce Brosnan choice of staying and being in love with an obese woman?That's obese? She doesn't even look all that fat in that photo. Unless you're counting the fat accumulated in her boobs. On the topic: What everyone else said. They love each other and have for years, they have kids, he's not such a looker either, etc etc. It doesn't seem like much of a mystery. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/15 11:58 AM |
| -2 | Study finds more reasons to get and stay married -- Is it time for RPers to rethink their aversion to marriage?I don't think you can assume. And how many people have fucking corporate jobs, anyway. People do all kinds of things. I may have mentioned a friend I have before who gave up a successful dentistry practice to move for her husband's career. I have never seen her so miserable as she was after she became a SAHM. It's a sacrifice. Of money, of prestige, of potential. And it's such bullshit after all of that to act like the one remaining income is only "his" money. No. He accepted (and in my friends … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/15 10:13 AM |
| 4 | CMV- AWALT is a ridiculous thing to say. Women are a population of over 3 billion people, not a hivemind.not really. maybe with a gun, but that's it. That's about what I was thinking. Maybe something more creative if I had time and opportunity. all women suck at sports. all women are weak, unathletic flowers. I still think you're making your point too strongly. Do I think I can beat a man who cares to be strong in a fight? Lol, fuck no. Do I think I'm stronger than many "average" guys. Yeah. I fucking know it. I did powerlifting and went to competitions with my team. I know every single man-off-the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/15 10:06 AM |
| 0 | Study finds more reasons to get and stay married -- Is it time for RPers to rethink their aversion to marriage?They would have at-least adequate careers, the loss of which opportunity is more than enough to justify the statement. Most people don't have stellar careers, loss of personal income doesn't become trivial just because the income in question isn't six figures. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/15 04:57 AM |
| 6 | CMV- AWALT is a ridiculous thing to say. Women are a population of over 3 billion people, not a hivemind.And I could kill you. But is it likely? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/15 03:49 AM |
| -1 | Study finds more reasons to get and stay married -- Is it time for RPers to rethink their aversion to marriage?Because marriage is better for men than for women in general, and divorce harms them less in general, including financially. It's obvious the partner who was more well off in both the marriage and divorce would be more likely to want to do it again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/15 03:26 AM |
| 1 | Study finds more reasons to get and stay married -- Is it time for RPers to rethink their aversion to marriage?RP advice is dripping with contempt for it's targets. Such as "holding frame" in the way it is typically described, by dismissing and usually undercutting/ridiculing your partner's concerns by declaring them shit tests. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/15 03:24 AM |
| 9 | Are men hypergamous? Why always accuse women and not men?What does a man bring to a relationship? Enjoyable companionship, stimulating conversation, someone you can text to take the ground beef out of the freezer because you forgot that morning... These are just the very basics. It's not that hard to think of good qualities a man can bring to a relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/15 11:22 AM |
| 3 | Bluepill advice focuses on philosophy, rather than results.The world IS a place where Blue pill is common and useful. Well, it's true. What kind of fucked up place are you in? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/15 02:51 AM |
| 3 | Bluepill advice focuses on philosophy, rather than results.Campus security would do it for us when I was in school, 6 years ago. They used to drive you until people started using it as a free cab service, so after that they only gave you a walking escort. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/15 02:49 AM |
| 9 | The whole "women are justified in lying about their partner count" thing...Seriously, it doesn't take being an uncommon saint not to care about this stuff. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/15 12:07 PM |
| 3 | RP men, have you ever truly been surprised that all that glitters is not gold?3 days is generous. EDIT: Maybe we should start a sign up sheet so everyone will know when it's their responsibility to make the obligatory slut post. That way they can try to think of something original in advance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/15 02:51 AM |
| 1 | Why do you think women disdain low status men?How are they complaining about TRPers? Most women don't even know about TRP. They don't have to perceive the motivation behind the assholery in order to identify a TRPer as an asshole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/15 02:47 AM |
| 4 | Why do you think women disdain low status men?Huh, that's actually pretty accurate. But it's not restricted to 'losers'. Most every guy triggers that, if you aren't in a context when you're wanting to talk to guys in the first place. Timid losers are better than aggressive losers though. At least they don't follow you and/or scream at you when you don't respond the way they want. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/15 01:01 AM |
| 5 | CMV: The Sexodus is BAD for women. Both anecdotes and hard data show this. If you're a heterosexual woman who values long term relationships/marriage, you should be against the blue pill view of the world.What the Sexodus guys have? Yeah, it does sound a lot like sour grapes, I agree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/15 03:48 AM |
| 9 | The damage of the cock carousel...I don't think that's it, I think it's that even "normal" porn is often heavily centered around a narrative of explicit degradation/humiliation towards the woman. That's the negative mentality, not that they see bustier-than-average girls. Also, on a logistical scale that some guys really don't understand the extent to which the porn girls' reactions are fake and honestly try some of that shit and expect it to have the same immediate effect on a girl irl. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/15 08:11 AM |
| 5 | Serious question for blue pillers... Why do you even bother talking to these people?Addendum to the first: ...And I 'take them seriously' in the sense that I believe that they believe what they say they believe, same as the stormfronters, and if I may relate it to that, I've grown up in the deep south and am enough of an oreo that many people considered me "white" enough to get careless around, so I know how deeply racist people can be, in a way that shocks my northern liberal friends when I tell them about it, and I know how those people don't consider themselves racist. They … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/15 01:30 AM |
| 4 | Serious question for blue pillers... Why do you even bother talking to these people?As a brown person who once made an account on Stormfront to argue with them, back in college, RP may be gratified to know that arguing with them is far less stressful and wearying than arguing with stormfronters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/15 01:16 AM |
| 0 | [Discussion] Video : Girls, If You're Physically Unavailable I'm emotionally Unavailable.If your reading comprehension doesn't serve you, I'll point out that my description included dealing with the problems. It's ridiculous to pretend that doing so requires repressing your emotions, or that such repression is a virtue and not a weakness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/15 12:52 AM |
| 0 | [Discussion] Video : Girls, If You're Physically Unavailable I'm emotionally Unavailable.Because she's the initiator bringing up her personal problems? 0.o Yes, exactly why she would request comfort on her own terms. After all, it isn't for your benefit in the first place. Just bringing in personal experiences, like you apparently. ;D Ah, more dishonesty, as if putting skewed and caricaturist words in someone else's mouth were the same as 'merely' offering a perspective. Most normal human beings seek actual help from others in their time of need, not constant validation. If you need… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/15 06:42 AM |
| 1 | [Discussion] Video : Girls, If You're Physically Unavailable I'm emotionally Unavailable.Because the whining in the comment I replied to was so much more productive. I'm merely offering the other perspective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/15 06:30 AM |
| 12 | [Discussion] Video : Girls, If You're Physically Unavailable I'm emotionally Unavailable.No. If my partner needed something from me and I "solved" the problem by completely disregarding him, dismissing his issues, and merely deciding that it's "not my problem", that's not a true solution, that's just being a selfish asshole. And if I did do that, RP would be the first in line to excoriate me as a selfish and solipsistic female. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/15 06:29 AM |
| 2 | [Discussion] Video : Girls, If You're Physically Unavailable I'm emotionally Unavailable.Why should I enter a conversation on her terms? Why should she start one on yours? You mean jerk boyfriends, history quizzes and the traumatic typical experiences of the high school white girl? xD Forgive me for having a laugh at your expense, but that was pretty funny. You don't need a psychology degree or physics degree to deal with first world problems. Translation: I hang out with friends unable to think outside their lovely little boxes, I'm not willing to leave my comfort zone to ask for p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/15 06:25 AM |
| 6 | The existence of the BluePill subredditAs if someone like that has the slightest clue about men and women. He doesn't even have any life experience, at 19, and being gay he's like the most extreme outlier imaginable. That's TheBluePill - not really any practical experience with life, so they substitute a strident ideology. Oh, come now, as if there aren't plenty of highschooler clueless RPers, and plenty of older, more experienced BPers. Remember when a troll from the website fourchan started an "end father's day" campaign on twitter… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/15 04:01 AM |
| 6 | [Discussion] Video : Girls, If You're Physically Unavailable I'm emotionally Unavailable.you can offer your advice but they most likely won't listen, they just wanna be listened to. This was one of the RP truths that took a long time to hit me even in a traditional family. Women do NOT want helpful advice, they want an emotional tampon. Your derision for commiseration aside, I think you're missing a distinction. Women ask for advice when they want it. So why would you try to give advice when what they are asking for is commiseration? Oftentimes the person you go to for comfort doesn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/15 03:37 AM |
| 11 | Men leading the familyOr in the case of my father, rage, scream, break shit and physically attack you. Men can't debate, so they intimidate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/15 03:26 AM |
| 2 | Blue Bill, Red Pill, whatever Pill...what are your New Year's resolutions?Get ahead of freelance work schedule. Stay ahead. Get room baaasically semi-neat maybe. Keep it like that. Be able to do a freestanding handstand. Be able to do pull-ups again. Find a powerlifiting group in this city I can join. Finish one article of clothing. Achieve zero net worth! Woooh! This is going to be the year, okay? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/15 02:54 AM |
| 2 | Has exposure to the Redpillsphere brainwashed you to unjustifiably think less of female sluts?What? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/14 02:07 AM |
| 3 | Has exposure to the Redpillsphere brainwashed you to unjustifiably think less of female sluts?I'm actually kind of a virgin magnet, so I've never dated an experienced guy before, but I wouldn't write him off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/14 09:31 PM |
| 6 | Has exposure to the Redpillsphere brainwashed you to unjustifiably think less of female sluts?Yeah, but I feel like you can't get there without adding stuff on top of "slut." Like, you have to add the "dangerous behavior" bit. (And you did, add several qualifies.) Well, then the problem isn't her sex life it's her recklessness, and the question is about her sex life. Considering how low the threshold seems for 'sluthood' according to some RPers, one would hardly need to be reckless to cross it.I think I've seen as low as three partners being listed as a threshold. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/14 09:17 PM |
| 1 | do you want to have kids?Leaning towards no, but I might want to adopt someday. I'm adopted myself and I feel like I want to give back. Maybe a sibling set so they'd have a chance to stay together in a stable home. I definitely never want to be pregnant. The idea fucking skeeves me out like you wouldn't believe. If they invent pods or whatever maybe I'll have bio-kids but otherwise? ::shudder:: I would want them to be blue pill I suppose, because I would want them to see the value and importance in both being respected … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/14 09:13 PM |
| 4 | Has exposure to the Redpillsphere brainwashed you to unjustifiably think less of female sluts?Worth exactly as much, yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/14 09:06 PM |
| 7 | Has exposure to the Redpillsphere brainwashed you to unjustifiably think less of female sluts?I think they meant in general in general. As in, completely outside of any sexual utility to you personally. Not as an LTR or a plate, but as a, you know, person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/14 09:05 PM |
| 2 | What are your hobbies? How do you most like to spend your time?Trying to find ways to fit sleep, precious sleep in around my two jobs. Sketching roughs while riding the metro and dreaming of the day I'll have the time to sit down and finish a picture properly. Also, Reading, Sewing, Embroidery, Beading, Crochet, Knitting, Sprang, Chinese Knotwork, Cooking/Baking, Making...stuff IDK I make a lot of stuff. Talking to my friends about stuff I read and/or watch, video games, table top games, MTG, writing, amateur programming projects, animation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/14 08:24 PM |
| 3 | How does Blue Pill explain the "Sexodus"?Lol, please. RPers call women bitter/angry all the time and completely disbelieve them if they claim to have no interest in relationships/sex, or claim to be voluntarily going without. Go read any one of the revenge fantasy "blah blah post-wall hags are sorry now" posts ffs. If there isn't one now just wait like, a few days. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/14 06:28 AM |
| 10 | If girls wear makeup only for themselves, why do girls typically put on makeup before they go out?If it makes you feel better to believe all that baseless rambling, then sure, go for it. There's no point addressing you since you've already demonstrated your willingness to dismiss what I've said out of hand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/14 11:14 AM |
| 5 | If girls wear makeup only for themselves, why do girls typically put on makeup before they go out?The mirror is certainly avoidable, at least at my gym. In fact, from the weights area you'd have to go out of your way to get in front of the mirror which is over by the...suspension...thing. Sure, I'll concede a bit of form checking is valid, but I thought the comment was more about obvious preening. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/14 09:45 AM |
| 1 | Blue pillers: what is your religious affiliation?Atheist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/14 09:34 AM |
| 10 | If girls wear makeup only for themselves, why do girls typically put on makeup before they go out?I didn't know you needed a mirror for that. Like. Don't get me wrong I check myself out at the gym, too, but let's not act like it's actually a useful part of the process or anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/14 09:31 AM |
| 13 | If girls wear makeup only for themselves, why do girls typically put on makeup before they go out?I don't wear makeup except for job interviews and special occasions, but I'll answer re: clothing, since the same issue is brought up a lot for what women wear.. I think you've got it wrong, first of all. I don't see "I do it for me" as often as I see, "I don't do it for you/men." The latter statement is certainly true, and the first one is, also, in my estimation, even if it's not the exclusive motivation. I get dressed up for me in the sense that the process is fun and it makes me feel good wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/14 09:29 AM |
| 2 | How do you explain the existence of patriarchy if the sexes have equal natural willpower?The stregnth difference as it generally exists today is partially rooted in environment. Starting from a young age girls are actively discouraged from being physical, physical tests in P.E. are lower for girls, even before puberty when such doesn't make sense, so low expectations are enforced from very early on. I am not saying that women would be generally as strong as men if this weren't the case, I'm saying if the incentives/environment were truly equal, the gap in strength would be a lot sma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/14 02:32 AM |
| 7 | If withholding money is 'financial abuse', is withholding sex also a form of abuse?I just don't understand why "if your needs aren't met, leave" stops being the solution when the problem stops being a male one. Regardless of gender, the ability to leave will be severely hindered or made nearly impossible if you don't control any of your own financial means. Esp. since financial abuse is often also coupled with sabotaging efforts at independence such as job interviews. For example, one case I read about had the boyfriend shred every piece of his girlfriend's clothing the night … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/14 10:33 AM |
| 4 | Redpillers, do you have empathy?Choosing not to empathize? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/14 10:21 PM |
| 8 | Controversial Question: Why do women have a harder time leaving emotionally abusive RP men, and leave at the drop of a hat with non-abusive BP men?So? I mean. What is the actual point here? I'm sure con artists and fake psychics (which is to say, psychics) make a lot more money than I do, but "results" aren't actually all that matters. I could probably dupe massive amounts of cash out of grief-stricken/vulnerable pensioners if I had a mind to do it but so?? Does that contain some deep truth about my superiority and the superiority of hucksterism as a profession, or would it just make me an irredeemable dickbag? I think it's the latter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/14 07:31 AM |
| 1 | Do you think your partner's sexual history might matter sometimes (I'm not talking about STDs)?I'd try almost anything if a guy can pass the common sense test. Real life isn't like porn, because the prep and other non-sexy stuff takes place offscreen in porn. But it still takes place. If some guy has it in is idiot head that this means no prep is necessary? Or that everything is supposed to go exactly like a porn scene from start to finish even if one or both of us has never done this before? I'm nope-ing the fuck out of that relationship. Zero tolerance on this. Easy for guys to be glib … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/14 06:57 AM |
| 5 | Do you think your partner's sexual history might matter sometimes (I'm not talking about STDs)?Unfortunately people like that exist in numerous non-straw varieties. You can observe them on our thrice-weekly "blah blah something about partner count" threads. Or maybe the almost-as-common "Aren't you RPers Hypocrites about Partner Count? No U" threads. As to why someone would want to LTR such objectionable people, I can't say. Maybe the rest of their personality is decent and the fact that they don't judge women fully on the basis of thier humanity doesn't come up that often. Maybe he just … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/14 04:01 AM |
| 11 | Do you think your partner's sexual history might matter sometimes (I'm not talking about STDs)?Because a certain type of person believes that sex is "debasing" and "degrading" for women and will ascribe a bunch of bullshit arbitrary assumptions about her personality and unfitness for an LTR if she seems too willing to have it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/14 03:08 AM |
| 15 | Are men willing to be homemakers?Aren't men (who are more likely to be the primary breadwinner now) more likely to cheat now? Is it maybe more accurate to say that the breadwinner is more likely to cheat, if so? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/14 04:05 PM |
| -1 | PUA and AWALT(you know, the one's most likely to not slow down, make eye contact, etc) This doesn't follow. More saliently, if he is as socially adept as you say he would be able to look for other cues to people who had personalities or situations that would make them more likely to stop and talk. That was my point Where? I didn't write that. I said You said There certainly were women who didn't want to hook up with him for whatever reason, and "I like you but not interested" cues to walk away before things … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/14 03:56 PM |
| 9 | If you're among the 20% alpha and there was a call for a boycott from the 80% betas to withhold sex from women, would you participate? Or would you give the middle finger to the beta losers?So just to clarify, they aren't going to be attracted to the "losers" either, then? You're basically bribing them. Why marry a 32 year old nagging feminazi hag, when Ivanka the 20 year old wants her place? Ignoring your caricatures of both western and non western women for a minute, the answer to this question would be more obvious to you if you valued women as human beings, but alas. women aren't interested in bringing in Ivan the poor Ukrainian back home Most of them probably aren't interested… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/14 02:38 PM |
| 2 | If you're among the 20% alpha and there was a call for a boycott from the 80% betas to withhold sex from women, would you participate? Or would you give the middle finger to the beta losers?I still believe your underlying paradigm is bullshit but supposing for the sake of argument that it's true, why are the extra women you "pump in" going to be attracted to "losers" more than the women who are already here?? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/14 12:22 PM |
| 0 | What is the difference between calling out radical redpillers and radical feminists?As soon as a reddit post gains sentience and finds a way to start raping women, I suppose we'll have to address that elephant in the room. Oh, stop being precious. You know very well that people are reacting not only to what RPers say, but what they say they do, in other words, reported actions. Such as, less uncommonly than could be desired, raping women, or otherwise harassing/assaulting them. Do you really believe that reality is so subjective that you decide what I mean? No one decides what … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/14 08:24 AM |
| 4 | In the future there will likely be a good bit more successful men than women, how do you think this will change the dating dynamics?Cheers, man. You do you. I honestly am glad you have the option. I'd think you should have the insurance even if you weren't working at all. :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/14 05:35 AM |
| 7 | In the future there will likely be a good bit more successful men than women, how do you think this will change the dating dynamics?I really don't know what you're expecting to change? The world you "can't wait for" re:taxes, is already here. Most women earn their own money and support themselves and dependents if they have them, and yet... Surprisingly, a lot of people don't waste a lot of mental energy resenting the fact that our tax dollars are going to 'unworthy' people. I pay a lot of taxes. Even more since I got an income upgrade this year, I've never lived off a guy's support, and I still can't be arsed to care that p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/14 05:17 AM |
| 0 | PUA and AWALTWell, not stupid or very young. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/14 04:38 AM |
| -1 | PUA and AWALTBut he wasn't just walking up to any woman! That's the point. He chose the women he walked up to. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that he succeeded with every women he chose to walk up to, but how can you not see the pre-selection in that? Unless some blinded scientist was randomly assigning him women, this is not evidence in favor of AWALT. EDIT: Wait. Just saw the part about how he didn't succeed with all of them. If a woman is giving off "not interested" hints it doesn't mean you weren… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/14 04:32 AM |
| 0 | PUA and AWALTAnd you're being naive if you think the only criteria for approach is female, under 30. Or maybe it's a lack of self awareness? Humans constantly self-select their own experiences. The most trivial way in which it happens is that you only meet women in places you also happen to be it doesn't have to be bars or clubs. The point stands if it's a bookstore or a coffeeshop. What about the women who never go to places you happen to be? In many if not most of these cases you're there and they aren't b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/14 04:24 AM |
| 1 | PUA and AWALTI understood that being in reference to the single instance of Pickup in question, not to the whole, erm, pickup 'career' as it were. And for any single instance/night of pickup to be successful, you do indeed only have to be right one time, and it carries all the limitations outlined in that post as to what is or is not signified. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/14 03:56 AM |
| 2 | Do you think men get sexually attracted to and get "tingles" from wealthy women the same way women do to wealthy men?lol, fine "manly boner feelings" then. Female arousal doesn't feel like tingles either FFS. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/14 10:55 PM |
| 2 | For BP: Do you believe in Shit-Tests?The horror. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/14 04:56 AM |
| 3 | Question for women: at what point did you start worrying about your partner count? Did you only start worrying when others told you about it? Or is the worry something "biologically ingrained"?Well, we're not talking 'old' women here. Just late 20s. But fair enough, as long as you're being honest about the fact that all this divorce shit is motivated reasoning. Most men probably don't have the kind of stringent 'slut' standards RPers seem to, so they will happily wife women you guys consider sluts and they do not. Because it's essentially a meaningless label we use to arbitrarily label people who've had an amount of sex that we, personally are uncomfortable with. Also not sure why you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/14 09:20 PM |
| 3 | Question for women: at what point did you start worrying about your partner count? Did you only start worrying when others told you about it? Or is the worry something "biologically ingrained"?But they ignore studies that cite other factors relating to divorce, such as the risk lowers with age and education, and somehow don't care half so much about 'genuine' concerns when it comes to those. Let's all be honest that guys who feel this way and present evidence are arguing backwards from their emotional gut reaction to promiscuity and not the other way around. The real reason they have an issue with it has nothing to do with the so-called genuine concerns, in the same way that a homopho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/14 07:30 AM |
| 9 | Question for women: at what point did you start worrying about your partner count? Did you only start worrying when others told you about it? Or is the worry something "biologically ingrained"?This is such a fallacy. I 'lie' about my atheism when I'm back home in South Carolina all the time. Not because I'm ashamed (I'm not), not because it's a big deal(it's not), but because I know for a fact that a decent chunk of the people around me think I ought to be ashamed and think that it is a big deal and I do not have time for that shit. The conversation that would ensue and the resulting likely change in their perception(based on their irrational ideas about what it means to be atheist) o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/14 04:42 AM |
| 2 | Question for women: at what point did you start worrying about your partner count? Did you only start worrying when others told you about it? Or is the worry something "biologically ingrained"?It wins you nothing and loses you something. So it's kind of like (honestly) disclosing your partner count if you're a normal, healthy adult woman? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/14 04:36 AM |
| 3 | Question for women: at what point did you start worrying about your partner count? Did you only start worrying when others told you about it? Or is the worry something "biologically ingrained"?When I turned 20 and it was still 0. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/14 10:52 PM |
| 3 | females in the militaryHow, definitionally are they detrimental if they are replacing equally qualified males? Isn't that just a lateral move? And given that there are women as qualified as males who are currently serving, why should those males serve and women not? As long as they are qualified, what, literally, is the problem? You sound like people who sue schools when they find out that one less qualified brown person got in, despite the fact that tens of less qualified white people also got in instead of them. I g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/14 09:57 AM |
| 3 | What do you think of the success of the r/marriedRedPill subreddit.I don't get the vitriol against divorce. Sometimes it just isn't going to fucking work out and people should be adults and recognize that. One of the most important things I've learned as an adult that I wish I knew as a kid is that shit isn't going to be OK just because you want it to or try really really hard to make it happen. Sometimes things are just fucked, no matter how they got that way, and they aren't going to get un-fucked. Recognizing when that's the case is often the best possible t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/14 03:19 PM |
| 2 | What are your thoughts on "secret sluts"? Women who round down or play virgin even as they rack up a partner count that's more than your fingers and toes.Do escorts "count"? I'm asking for a friend. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/14 03:35 AM |
| 0 | What do you think about the "caveman thread"?Man brags about acting dominantly forcefully restraining and penetrating his wife whether or not she consents. Being dominant having sex with someone without their consent is rape. He bragged on red pill. Red pill therefore advocates rape. What should we do? How do we censor them? ftfy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/14 06:35 PM |
| 1 | I have a question for the 'Mens Rights Activists', are y'all protesting..Yeah, and for some reason a small % of cops get onto a power trip and shoot people for no reason, usually influenced by their color. Which is most likely what happened in this case. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/14 02:19 PM |
| 1 | I have a question for the 'Mens Rights Activists', are y'all protesting..Even (actual) criminals usually have a reason. It's not like this shit hasn't been studied. And I mean the behavior has been studied. Even people who "snap" in rage don't tent to attack impossible targets. Ragey guys in bar fights for example have a variety of socially acceptable 'outs' they use to avoid anyone getting killed for a dominance display, and generally it works. Here, we're talking about a guy, where the only thing he allegedly did wrong was shoplift some cigarillos. Yet we are suppo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/14 01:10 AM |
| 1 | I have a question for the 'Mens Rights Activists', are y'all protesting..Really? I don't find, in general the claims in situations like these, that some guy who was generally just walking home from somewhere suddenly decided to attack police/armed vigilante, for no reason, to be rational. A lot of these stories even involve convoluted shit like the guy jumping out of bushes or running off and then circling back to attack. For fucking real? Like. A fucking cop, okay. There is no black man who isn't living in the absolute certainty that that would be suicide, when even… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/14 03:36 AM |
| 4 | TRP and "it works"Man, that's such a terrible outlook. Why would you even want to be in a relationship with someone you were certain would stab you in the back the moment things got a little tough? It's a good thing for the rest of us that women are not, in fact, 'like that' as a group, and you can have a genuine relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/14 02:16 AM |
| 1 | Why get angry and frustrated if a woman doesn't present herself the way you want her to?But I ask you this: would it have shiitake and feta? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/14 05:07 AM |
| 2 | Why get angry and frustrated if a woman doesn't present herself the way you want her to?tbh after all the 'gay' stuff I was expecting a gif of that corn scene from Boku no Sexual Harassment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/14 04:08 AM |
| 3 | Why get angry and frustrated if a woman doesn't present herself the way you want her to?IDK, I wouldn't want to judge without knowing the situation. I picked up a second job a little while ago and it completely obliterated my schedule. I was eating McBreakfast and convini lunch for weeks there. I've finally clawed myself ahead enough to start cooking again (made a quiche for this week!), but I bet the disruption would have been 10 times worse if I had other mouths to feed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/14 03:53 AM |
| 4 | How do you feel, personally, about partner count?I don't know how it makes me feel when a guy has slept with a ton of women, I'm apparently a virgin magnet and I've never to my knowledge attracted that kind of guy. I like the virgins just fine, though. If I'm being totally honest I get a kick out of being in the position of "knowledgeable partner" although that in itself is kind of a joke because virgins are about the only people I'm more experienced than. BUT WAIT, I did know one guy who was like, weirdly too damn happy that I had less experi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/14 03:38 AM |
| 1 | The mutation and muting of gender expressionYou can't really underestimate the father's role, though. Personally, I got most of this from my father. My brother gets bullied in school? Dad taught him how to throw a punch, told him to get those guys back. He didn't get bullied after that. I get bullied? Dad told me I should ignore it, refused to teach me how to hit people or give me that same parental permission to hit people. I continue to get bullied for years. I've seen the same thing with many other families. Dads are guilty of the same… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/14 12:39 AM |
| 4 | To BPs, where would you find "the good parts of TRP" outside of TRP? To RPs, how would you change the subreddit if it were up to you?Posh. Personally I know I feel as if my morning coffee and scone have been meaningless unless I defeated a few fellow commuters in single combat that day in order to get my hands on them. As someone famous once said, what a joy it is to defeat your enemies, to drive them before you, and to grasp their warm gingerbread latte in your hands. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/14 12:26 AM |
| 1 | The mutation and muting of gender expressionI didn't say it because it's not true. And obviously, it's not only about toys, it's about the overarching attitude that leads someone to tell boys not to play with dolls and to refuse to buy their girls car stuff or weapon toys. Children get shamed more, generally, and children are definitely more sensitive to it and more easily influenced by it. Ideally a parent can act as a buffer to protect their child from getting shamed for their individuality. Unfortunately, a lot of parents participate i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/14 12:19 AM |
| 1 | The mutation and muting of gender expressionIt's not that girly toys are bad for girls, it's that only offering/allowing/pushing girly toys is bad for girls. In the same way that only offering/allowing/pushing boyish toys is bad for boys. Let's not pretend that parents have no influence in this regard. Even when children are infants and indistinguishable, adults will hold and play with them differently depending on whether they are told the child is a boy or girl. Plenty of boys who like to cook or play dress up express that they picked u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/14 06:00 AM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP will grow in influence, although like feminism, few will call themselves RPThe idea that men and women are wholly different, physically and mentally, is something that could conceivably be considered extremely common sense, but it isn't (yet) perceived that way by a lot of people. That idea, like miasma and the flat earth in their time, was considered common sense in the past, but society has learned better and moved past it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/14 05:35 AM |
| 6 | CMV: I don't believe rape cases at universities and colleges should be handled by the institution. It's a crime and needs to be handled by the local authorities. Why should a school get involved when dealing with adults committing crimes?Pretty much nothing should be handled by school justice systems. As to the why, I'll just copypasta myself from elsewhere: My own experience with college “justice” is still close enough in memory that I still seethe a bit thinking about it. Final year of my degree, some of my harassers got it into their heads that it would be just grand to harass me further by reporting me to the school justice system on a completely fabricated charge of (physical) assault/intimidation among other things. It was… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/14 03:18 AM |
| 1 | BP/Feminists: Feminist attitudes towards foreign women; issues of race/classSeriously, cooking and sewing are my two most proficient 'hobby' skills. Even as a little kid I used to steal ingredients from the kitchen so I could hide in my closet try to 'bake' on my own (a process which mostly involved making flour-sugar paste), but my well crafted plots to get to the oven undetected were always thwarted by my mother. What did she have against fun?! The ceiling fan in my own bedroom has a permanent wobble from when little Cactuar put some milk in a Tupperware container, ta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/14 03:10 AM |
| 8 | BP/Feminists: Feminist attitudes towards foreign women; issues of race/classThe class thing is kind of tied up in it though? My mom was like that too. Once when I was a teen working minimum wage over the summer, some of my co workers brought some sugar cane(a common agricultural product I'd never seen before) in and teased me when I thought it was bamboo (a common ornamental plant I was familiar with from my area), and to make me feel better my mom told me, "How were you supposed to know what it was? You aren't from [predominantly black, poor, agricultural area]." It di… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/14 04:44 AM |
| 20 | BP/Feminists: Feminist attitudes towards foreign women; issues of race/classEh, surprise! People are racist and they don't think they are! I'm not surprised you're observing this in more liberal, feminist circles. I wouldn't be surprised if you observed this literally anywhere in the United States. As a brown girl born and raised in South Carolina, I could tell you a thing or two about the "I'm-not-racist" variety of racist. Just yesterday in r/relationships, there was a girl who's totally-not-racist-at-all boyfriend flipped out on her when he found out her ex was a bla… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/14 04:21 AM |
| 1 | The Slut/Stud double standard is absolutely justifiedWell, some think it's slut-shaming granny advice. OH, it is, but that doesn't mean it's not wise to follow it. The whole thing is bullshit really, but what other people think of you matters so sometimes you have to cater to the bullshit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/14 05:08 PM |
| 6 | The Slut/Stud double standard is absolutely justifiedIt's relatively new, plus it's just a compound of man and whore. You have to add the man because 'whore' is so strongly associated with women. Same with man-slut eg. If I may analogize, it's like sand n*** and prairie n***. You can use a modifier to attach the grave insult of your choice to a new group, but everyone understands which group is actually at the bottom of the heap, which group is being used as the insult API if you will. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/14 04:59 PM |
| 5 | The Slut/Stud double standard is absolutely justifiedLulz, boys participate in that shit, too, with relish, and boys are more likely to spread false rumors when you turn them down, which, with the rate of boys getting turned down makes for a likelier hazard than somehow getting on Ashleigh's bad side. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/14 04:50 PM |
| 7 | No incentive to be feminineWho cares about feminist sites? People who are actually interested in what feminism really is, and want to argue against that instead of scary straw men they pulled out of their asses. Outdated? Yeah, 100 years tends to do that for commentary about social movements. I quote her and the likes of Belfort Bax and Anthony Ludovici to point out that there isn't much of a difference in aims between the first-wavers and the ones running the show today. Except it doesn't show that at all? And you didn't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/14 01:04 PM |
| 2 | No incentive to be feminineHow should a woman 'respect her man,' and is this respect distinguishable in any material way at all from obedience/being subservient? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/14 12:49 PM |
| 7 | No incentive to be feminineWhich mainstream feminist site has her on it? Maaaaybe a TERF here and there, but I'm dubious about even that. FFS, 1920? It's bad enough when you guys quote Steinem or Solanas as if they were relevant to current feminism but reaching back a full century for your outdated quote mining is really going all out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/14 12:46 PM |
| 38 | Define toxic masculinity/femininity.Masculinity or femininity that is toxic to it's host. For guys, having to act tough even when you really do need help, to the point that you commit suicide instead of getting help for emotional issues or die of a detectable disease because you decided to tough out the pain until it was too late. For girls, 'learned helplessness,' One example, being terrified of typical and very simple car stuff like changing a tire or giving a jump. Includes being bad at things because you've bought into it that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/14 12:30 PM |
| 5 | Racism/Xenophobia and TRP: RoK on how Finland is letting itself by overrun by brown peopleI'm an American transplant who's lived in Japan for my entire adult life and plan to do so for the entirety of my foreseeable future, and I'm surrounded by other permanent transplants in my working life. They're doing a pretty crappy job of not allowing immigration. And sure, I live in a very white collar world but there is a lot of "I know what this looks like but it is totally not immigration!" going on at all levels. I don't deny that the real levels of foreign born / second gen are far lower… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/14 09:01 AM |
| 3 | No incentive to be femininePeople make mistakes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/14 08:26 AM |
| 3 | Racism/Xenophobia and TRP: RoK on how Finland is letting itself by overrun by brown peopleMan, hearing shit like this is almost enough to make me put up with a pregnancy so I can reproduce and spread the "brown menace" or whatevs. Almost. Eh, I'm fairly well off, mebbe I can hire someone to carry for me. Extra irony points if it's some blond Aryan dream girl. Mwah ha ha ha ha!! Cringe in terror at my creeping demographic menace! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/14 08:11 AM |
| 16 | No incentive to be feminineWomen might not want to be Kill Bill, but they do genuinely want to be respected, and time and time again they see that feminine roles don't get that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/14 06:59 AM |
| 6 | No incentive to be feminineBecause I don't take my boss home with me and I can walk whenever I want with less hassle and stigma than divorce. Because all humans, not just women, also "submit" to their bosses, no one is making some kind of judgement about intrinsic natures. Really I could as easily turn this around and ask why men would have a problem submitting in obedience to their wives since they already submit to their bosses. Because the work hierarchy is also, in theory, flexible. I'm not signing my eternal obedienc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/14 06:58 AM |
| 3 | "The Misandry Bubble"Oh, certainly, that's the other side of the coin to the whole 'college is mandatory' mindset, and both are things that really need to change. Also I think /u/nope_nic_tesla was talking about skilled workers and not just laborers, hence specifying professions like that. On which subject, I think part of the reason for the shortage is the way education works. It isn't a career path that is at all obvious for a lot of people. You have to kind of know a guy in a lot of cases. My brother learned weld… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/14 05:26 PM |
| 1 | "The Misandry Bubble"I think I speak for pretty much everyone here when I say we aren't under that many illusions about winning hearts and minds on the other side of the proverbial aisle. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/14 05:20 PM |
| 4 | "The Misandry Bubble"The slowing rate of reproduction isn't a problem, it's good for global society, and for each country individually, in the long run. Resources are not and cannot be infinite, we're buying trouble in the future if we behave as if this is not the case. The actual problem is that our institutions are configured to be totally dependent on continuous population growth in the first place. That was never going to be sustainable in the long run. We don't need more babies, we need to innovate and find a w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/14 05:18 PM |
| 2 | Relationships & Sales...So the only way a man wants a relationship is if he's been strongly brainwashed? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/14 04:49 AM |
| 1 | Relationships & SalesYou should really consider it though. Think about what a conversation piece those would be. You know, get some slick graphic design work and then artfully arrange them on your coffee table. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/14 04:48 AM |
| 3 | Relationships & SalesAs it is generally practiced on internet forums? Yes. There's a fucking swamp full of just-so post-hoc justifications that coincidentally confirm everything the poster already believed anyway. Clearly our evolutionary history must have an effect on our psychology as it does on our physiology. Are you going to get an accurate reckoning of the extent and nature of that influence from anyone, and I include myself for the most part, in discussions like these? The probability approaches zero. I've se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/14 04:46 AM |
| 3 | Why are so many people reluctant to say that there are certain traits *most* men/women find attractive?90% of people are above average, dont'cha know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/14 03:18 AM |
| 1 | The race debateThey do have a biological son, my younger brother. I've never asked him about the dating talks they may or may not have had with him, but given what I know, and the talks they had with me, I wouldn't be surprised. EDIT: I should clarify, that they wouldn't see it as pertaining to me. I'm my own category in their minds. They can't see me as anything other than "their daughter" which is a category that necessarily does not overlap with other categories of people they don't like. It's not even "you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/14 06:47 AM |
| 6 | Do men have their own "wall", and if so, when is it?Sunscreen and genes! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/14 01:12 AM |
| 1 | I'm mulling over the idea of inviting and flying (hopefully) all the participants here to a weekend long party somewhere nice. I'd like some feed back first, how do you think it might go?From Japan? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/14 01:05 AM |
| 2 | A few questions on the age of consentUm, lol what. Where are you getting that? IMO ideally the time to start getting the experience is when you're a teen, ideally with other teens, as long as you think you're ready. Personally being a virgin at 20+ was awkward as fuck but ymmv. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/14 07:40 AM |
| 1 | RP, BP: What do you do when someone hits on your SO? (Examples)Yep. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/14 02:43 AM |
| 8 | A few questions on the age of consentLol, I never said I thought teens were dumb. Just inexperienced, unaware of a lot of things. That's true, and living, gaining that experience is the slow process that fixes it. I'm sorry you haven't experienced a lot of growth in your last 10-15 years, but I don't think that's a typical experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/14 01:58 AM |
| 3 | A few questions on the age of consentBy living, mostly. It's a slow process. 25 year old you is going to thing 20 year old you is a lot dumber than 20 year old thought he was. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/14 01:10 AM |
| 0 | TRP and ManipulationI think the difference is more quantity than quality in that case. I wouldn't say a stranger deserves as much respect as a trusted teacher, but all strangers deserve a baseline level. Beyond that, it must be earned－or lost, depending on the individual. So for BP those paradigms don't conflict. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/14 03:28 PM |
| 5 | Gender Differences and SEXXXXOh, they believe all sexual pleasure is determined by how "alpha" someone is and not, you know, technique or attentiveness or any other concrete factor. I've had a couple conversations here try to explain how even sex with Alpha McAlph can be 'not worth having,' but it never really takes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/14 02:57 PM |
| 0 | TRP and ManipulationAh. I'm sorry, I thought you actually had an argument. I see my time spent outlining specific points was wasted. My fault for attempting to argue in good faith. Well, if you have no actual rebuttal, I suppose that's as good a concession as any. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/14 02:42 PM |
| 0 | TRP and ManipulationHe describes completely dismissing her concerns in the middle of an interaction and then basically freezing her out over a period of days while also devaluing their relationship with third parties, all for...apparently criticizing him. While this is a very clear indication of a total lack of respect on his part, I can't be sure about her behavior without an example, because of the RP tendency to conflate lack of obsequiousness with lack of respect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/14 01:29 PM |
| 0 | TRP and ManipulationWhat you are characterizing as 'tone' is more substantial than that. The perspectives you've offered here are not equivalents. "giving someone space" implies a level of mutuality and respect in the actual situation that is not present in "ignoring someone." In giving someone space, you disengage because they need/want time alone, and it is implied that once they desire your company again, they can have it you are not dismissing them. In contrast, "Ignoring someone" implies dismissiveness, and th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/14 01:25 PM |
| 0 | TRP and ManipulationAnd we are back to the father being disrespectful/controlling. Based on his own description of his own actions, which is all the information I have, yes. I might view things differently with more and different information. God forbid the women is at fault here. She's responsible for her actions, and as described in the comment it's difficult to tell what exactly those are. He is responsible for his actions, which, as described, are seemingly bad. That is because you haven't read anything else fr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/14 01:02 PM |
| -1 | TRP and ManipulationNo, I mean her father, and it doesn't look like that to me. It doesn't look like a single adult in that house is modeling actual healthy enforcement of personal boundaries. Her father is controlling and disrespectful/dismissive towards her mother, and her her mother sticks around with a person who treats her like that, in addition to possibly adding to overt hostility in the environment. If she* is* trying to enforce boundaries, they clearly aren't being respected by her husband, so again, that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/14 10:59 AM |
| 27 | For BP: Please explain how weight training "doesn't really do anything for strength"I'm not sure what that one random person means by their statement, but if I may make my own attempt to parse: I think they're just referring to, IDK wholistic fitness, I guess it would be called. Bodybuilding for aesthetics obviously will increase strength as well, but it's not as focused on "practical" strength as other schools of lifting, i.e. powerlifting, and will short you in a lot of areas like endurance. That's just my take on what they meant. Don't really see what exactly this has to do … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/14 10:11 AM |
| 0 | TRP and ManipulationI wasn't assuming anything. His own description of his actions cannot even charitably described as "asserting boundaries." If he treats his wife as derisively as his own description of his behavior implies, his daughter is indeed in danger of internalizing that men are 'supposed' to treat women that badly. The doesn't mean she will, but if that's the case, it's a bad environment and a very bad lesson. I can only go off of what he wrote, and that's all I've done. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/14 08:16 AM |
| 2 | Question for BP/Feminists: What leads you to conclude that a "collaborative" model of sex is feasible?Experience and observation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/14 03:21 AM |
| 0 | TRP and ManipulationIt's very sad, yes. If only he'd been able to leave that toxic situation. Raising the daughter in separate households would have undoubtedly been a better outcome. His lack of general motivation towards improvement as you describe seem to say he might have been depressed to begin with, which probably wasn't helped by being with a toxic partner. (I don't put much stock in "emasculating" or whatever, but I take your description to mean that she was verbally abusive.) I hope he wasn't too influence… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/14 01:45 AM |
| 4 | The case for why "dread game" is NOT manipulationHow did you get from this... deliberately harming To this... make up, push up bras, spanks, etc. ??? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/14 12:52 AM |
| -1 | TRP and ManipulationI don't have to have clairvoyant insight into her future to state the well documented fact that people who grow up observing a parent behave in controlling or abusive ways towards the other one, tend to grow up in the belief that that's just what relationships look like, and tend to have a harder time selecting non-abusive partners, or leaving/enforcing boundaries in the face of abuse. None of this is revolutionary information. In this case since the child is a girl, it may be especially damagin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/14 12:47 AM |
| 1 | Human Nature: Good, Bad, or Neutral?Entirely dependent on context. Humans even a couple hundred years ago used to gather and watch cats get roasted alive for funsies. Like, crowds of normal people who were not significantly evolutionary different than you and me would watch an animal get literally tortured to death for entertainment. Just because they did that shit back then. Humans as a group are as good as their society raises/influences them to be, with outliers being more or less good at any given time. Hopefully, as in the ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/14 11:25 PM |
| 0 | TRP and ManipulationSure. There's no cause for that, if indeed she is being unreasonably hostile and not merely failing to be sufficiently obsequious to soothe his ego. That won't be nearly as damaging however than a controlling father who doesn't value or respect her mother at all and leaves her with the idea that she doesn't deserve a non abusive partner later in life, because she'll think that kind of behavior is normal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/14 10:06 PM |
| 4 | TRP and ManipulationRight now it sounds like she doesn't stand a chance of developing a healthy sense of self respect and abilities to enforce healthy boundaries within a romantic relationship where her partner actually values her. It's pretty heartbreaking really. Edit: Words. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/14 04:55 AM |
| 9 | Sexbots, clones, TRP....Honestly by the time that happens, the moment will probably disappear in an instant as the A.I. rapidly evolves itself to become a much higher lifeform than us. And then... we hope it's friendly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/14 10:37 AM |
| 6 | Why can't smart progressive Blue Pill women stop themselves from fellating Red Pill alphas?m'LubeOil | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/14 09:10 AM |
| 7 | Why can't smart progressive Blue Pill women stop themselves from fellating Red Pill alphas?Now you've done it. Have we learned nothing from the brief but harrowing plague of AMAs that descended upon our small community? You must know you've triggered a wave of fanfic, right? The sub is going to be awash in tales of BP women pegging people or RPF Slashfic starring endorsed contributors by this time tomorrow. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/14 08:46 AM |
| 1 | Sexless marriages: Question re: RP beliefs about "BP" adviceYet a divorce ultimatum is most certain to make your SO feel "insecure" about the relationship, so that is also abuse, by your absurd definitions. This is about the, hmm, integrity? of the actions in question. Is insecurity on the part of your SO a regrettably unavoidable side effect of plainly and honestly communicating your own boundaries? Or are you doing that shit on purpose? See also the difference between not wanting to have sex because doing so is very unpleasant for you and you can't sta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/14 06:43 AM |
| 0 | For BP: What is the point of exclusivity in a sexless relationship?Wow, your parents really convinced me against the trend of divorced people making great partners. Okay? This advice generally is better when its preventative not reactive. So in this case, it would be abandon ship when she wants marriage. Or keep her waiting perpetually if she doesn't take the spelling on the wall. If that is what you intend to do anyway, then I would say rather that the advice would be to be upfront about marriage being off the table so you avoid cruelly stringing someone along… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/14 04:43 AM |
| 2 | Does the Red Pill drive men into the arms of abusive women?No, they don't. They branch swing because it is an inherent trait they have and they don't control it. I'm pretty sure that people do things for reasons. Now, humans (men no less than women) are often mistaken about their actual motivations, but regardless of how accurate it is or how accurate you think it is, they usually have a perceived motivation behind their conscious actions. So, again, I'm sure many of the women dissatisfied and looking to 'trade up' do perceive that their current partner… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/14 03:20 AM |
| 4 | For BP: What is the point of exclusivity in a sexless relationship?If she doesn't work to fix what the issue is and is opposed to opening up the marriage? Probably. In which case if it gets to the point where either can't stand it, then that person, should just dissolve it and be upfront about that. To death do us part is a nice aspiration, but sincerely pursuing it shouldn't prevent you from recognizing when you've run into a legitimate dead end. I for one, am happy my own parents bailed on their bad first marriages, as it enabled them to succeed in finding a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/14 04:27 PM |
| 3 | Does the Red Pill drive men into the arms of abusive women?Well, I've seen several, and that looks like the way to go for me. I've never seen a miserable egalitarian relationship, but I've seen several miserable male-led relationships, and one miserable one where the woman was the overbearing, controlling partner. Never seen anything but an egalitarian relationship stay happy long term. Abusers have a lot of tactics they can use to keep people in abusive relationships, more so if they control the finances etc. I don't know how RPers can talk about how i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/14 04:22 PM |
| 2 | Does the Red Pill drive men into the arms of abusive women?And you know this because how? I do hope it's more than "she stayed with him," because men and women both will stay with and fuck people who make them completely miserable for years. It's not rare or uncommon behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/14 04:21 PM |
| 4 | Does the Red Pill drive men into the arms of abusive women?Wow, "not respecting his wishes"? I'm sure some of those 'branch hopping' women perceive that the guy they're looking to 'trade up' from hasn't been respecting her wishes/needs. If a subjective self-motivated assessment that your SO hasn't been working hard enough to please you is all it takes, then why bother needing a reason at all? In cases where an actual, concrete betrayal such as cheating has happened, I agree that enforcement of boundaries is necessary, but it should be open and straightf… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/14 04:19 PM |
| 30 | For BP: What is the point of exclusivity in a sexless relationship?The fundamental issue isn't the contract he made with the state, it's the contract he made with his spouse. If he's at the point where he's considering betraying the contract, he should just dissolve it and be upfront about that. Yeah, blah blah typical BP advice to bail when solutions fail and things are terribad, but in the words of RP, it works. Remove yourself from the shitty situation and find one that isn't. My parents were a second marriage, on both their parts, but man, did they get it r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/14 03:43 PM |
| 3 | Does the Red Pill drive men into the arms of abusive women?First of all, most people I know have egalitarian relationships, which are very stable and happy. My parents had a happy egalitarian relationship til death did they part. I'm sorry if you've experienced egalitarian relationships being unstable, but that is far from the norm or a necessary component of an egalitarian relationship. Secondly, relationships with unbalanced power might be stable, but they are also, in my experience, less happy, and in several cases, downright miserable. And if stabil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/14 03:29 PM |
| 2 | Does the Red Pill drive men into the arms of abusive women?TIL that being afraid to cheat on one's spouse is 'being whipped' and not just basic decency. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/14 02:53 PM |
| 2 | Does the Red Pill drive men into the arms of abusive women?I'm on mobile so I can't look right now, but I've definitely seen 'use her for sex/demote her to plate' until something better comes along offered as advice on more than one occasion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/14 02:50 PM |
| 2 | Does the Red Pill drive men into the arms of abusive women?Once someone establishes dominance, it ends there. No it doesn't, that's the point. It just continues. All that happened is that the one dishing it out and the one taking it traded places. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/14 02:41 PM |
| 7 | On dead bedrooms and "dread game" - are the conventional/BP solutions really better?Most feminists are not particularly attractive. On the contrary, most are the same ratio of attractive to non-attractive as is found in the general population. I suppose that means that only a small number are "hot," proportionally, because on average most people are average. So if that's what you meant, then sure. Otherwise, [citation needed] The person I was responding to was not engaged in a debate, merely ad hom-ing Hmm. Touche. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/14 11:25 AM |
| 4 | On dead bedrooms and "dread game" - are the conventional/BP solutions really better?I'm happily married to a woman who isn't a feminist. She didn't need to be, because she's good lookng. Lulz, please with the "feminists are ugly landwhales thing." I don't like RedPillers either, but I don't honestly believe they're all fat neckbeards, I can accept that no matter how much I'd love karmic justice against people with terrible beliefs, the truth is that some people are only ugly on the inside. Even if I did believe it, I would not toss that shit out in the middle of a debate like i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/14 10:48 AM |
| 5 | Do any RPMen believe men and women are equal?I don't think that's it. I think amateurism in men induces sexual desire, too. The people I've been most attracted to in my life were "cute" or "shy" guys, often less experienced than me at something. One was a guy who'd failed his car exam on stick shift 3 times when I met him at the DMV (My cars have been stick since college). I's the adorkable factor that really does it. You want to show him the ropes of whatever it is, and then have lots of hot sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/14 10:41 AM |
| 4 | Do any RPMen believe men and women are equal?I mean it to say the differences are not nearly so large they can be used to make the kind of categorical statements about whole classes of people that generally get thrown around, and certainly they are not to the extend that you can say that comparing the two is not comparing "like kinds." Women and men are not apples and fucking oranges, cats and dogs, what ever your analogy of choice is. We are fundamentally the same thing. In a trivial sense sure, no one human being is the exact equivalent1… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/14 10:21 AM |
| 1 | Do any RPMen believe men and women are equal?It's fortunate, then, that human adults are all a like kind, more similar than different regardless of sex or race, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/14 01:07 AM |
| 1 | Do women hate guys who try to improve their chances with women?I think the point was that the 'success' had not been adequately demonstrated. So yeah, I guess it speaks for itself in that it's entirely questionable. It guarantees higher absolute numbers of success and near success no matter how bad at the game you are, if only because x% of something will always be higher than x% of nothing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/14 01:00 AM |
| 1 | The race debateI'm a mixed brown girl with white adoptive parents who's dated pretty much exclusively white guys. In my case, my parents were/are unfortunately actively racist and that really influenced things a lot I felt about guys, esp back in high school etc. My dad is most racist against Black people and Arabs and my mom most racist against Hispanics (specifically, Puerto Ricans), but they're not super thrilled about Asians either. Seriously I've got a fucking ranked list in my head from the two of them a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/14 02:26 AM |
| 17 | Blue Pillers strongly disagree with the TRP conclusion that Women are 'the most responsible teenager in the house'. There is a fallacy in their disdain, and here is why:And no one generally thinks this is a good thing. It is, in fact, regarded as an insult to suggest that an adult is acting like a teenager. Thus we come back to her actual argument, being that It's an insult because it's intended as an insult. Something which is pretty obvious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/14 09:53 AM |
| 5 | respecting the value of genderWe're scared bitches like you gonna blow up in our face and publicly shame the shit out of us for doing the very thing you all demand.. Maybe if blowing up at people wasn't literally the only way to get a lot of these guys to leave you the fuck alone, you wouldn't have to worry about this. Be the change you want to see and take no for no the first fucking time you hear it, and don't follow people around when they're trying to get the hell away from you (general you). And keep your hands to your … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/11/14 09:50 PM |
| 6 | what is the red pill to you?The name of that HB10? Albert Einstein. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/14 05:38 PM |
| 3 | Halloween night harassment/u/MissPearl might be being a little glib with the "go hug some dudes" but... why not hug some dudes? My good female friends have been invaluable sources of human contact/touch and comfort for me. We're there for each other. I've held people while they cried or just out of platonic affection. Maybe don't pin your entire emotional life to a romantic partner? That isn't fair to whatever partner you may get. RP is always going on about how the male stoicism ethic is "better" somehow than the female… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/14 01:55 AM |
| 5 | How often can I hug my gf?I actually think he is being sarcastic, though with Poe's law in force it's admittedly hard to tell. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/14 12:52 AM |
| 1 | Is it possible for men under 6'2" to be alpha?I think you need to consider your other options. Napoleon was a short guy, and I hear he used horses to great effect. Have you considered mounted transportation? This would double as exercise and conspicuous consumption, thus boosting your alpha cache while avoiding the impression of indolence conveyed by the litter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/14 12:31 AM |
| 4 | Halloween night harassmentMaybe, maybe not. I knew girls who dressed as guys as a generally effective way to avoid harassment. It doesn't have to be convincing close up for a big chunk of harassment incidences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/14 01:01 PM |
| 2 | Washington State Defendants No Longer Have To Prove Their Innocence In Rape CasesAnd that's why women in "shitty violent and sexist countries" fear violence less, as evidenced in this survey? Sure. Someone who's getting hit on a regular basis and considers it normal or even thinks they deserve it will feel less "fear" and "anger" and more "resignation" than someone who knows that they have the right to not have to live like that, and knows that the only one to blame for the violence is the perpetrator and not themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/14 09:21 PM |
| 1 | 2XC explains concerns over catcallingI'm not talking about groping in a goddamned office. What have we been talking about on this thread? Work Harassment? No? Thankfully offices are one of the only places where you might, might be able to get some kind of justice if a guy sexually harasses you. It's hardly as easy as you make it sound. The woman could just as well be fired or quietly relocated to a basement office and snubbed until she quits just for complaining. It's not vague language. What else would you call it? I'm talking abo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/14 08:52 PM |
| 2 | 2XC explains concerns over catcallingProbably ∞ years I would say, seeing as even when physical intimidation or groping is involved most people who aren't the targets can't even be bothered to regard it as a problem in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/14 09:14 AM |
| 8 | 2XC explains concerns over catcallingWhat consequences? These women are doing nothing wrong, so why fall all over yourself to excuse people who go out of their way to be dickish? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/14 05:19 AM |
| 4 | For feminist BPers: Some questions on rape cultureI think it's desirable for it to result in some kind of unpleasant legal ramification, yes. The reason most guys do shit like that is because they are well aware that nothing bad will happen to them if they do. A world in which bad shit happens to guys who grope would be a better one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/14 08:15 AM |
| 5 | For feminist BPers: Some questions on rape cultureIt's not, though? If someone walks up and punches me in the face, the fact that that shit happened is still a fact of reality whether or not the guy gets convicted of assault. It doesn't become my "opinion" that I was punched, just because I don't press charges. It would still be a fact. Same for most any violent crime. Murder? Someone still got murdered, whether or not anyone gets convicted in a legal outcome. Robbery? Stuff got stolen. Rape? Someone got raped. If one of those crimes took place… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/14 01:07 AM |
| 2 | For BP: What is your alternative?Oh, gee. I don't know. What's a girl got to do get a LTR polyamorous relationship going with 4 super hot guys? And lest you think I'm asking a lot... only like, two of them even have to have jobs, okay? I figure three earners is enough to support themselves and two non-earners fairly comfortably. And like, the stay-at-home guys can cook or something it'll be great. Okay so one of them at least has to also be a good cook, but that's my last criteria. Yeah. Sounds pretty reasonable. Ahem. Now, Fem… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/14 04:41 AM |
| 5 | If technology allowed for convenient seamless total genetic sex changes, would you change your gender?I think she meant in general. There's more to life than sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/14 12:45 AM |
| 2 | Can Red Blue and Purple Pillers agree that the formation of an Equal Rights Movement would go a long way to resolve our differences?I don't think we ought to cultivate suffering or struggle for their own sake. The amount of perfectly competent people with decent potential who are crushed by our current system is no where near compensated for by the few success cases. As to the the second sort of person you mention, I'll just have to disagree. Sparing people needless strife is one thing, but we don't need more people who were born on third base and think they hit a triple, especially if their existence necessitates 10 others … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/14 09:06 AM |
| 2 | Accountability and the Restriction of ChoicesYeah, but... have they tried not being poor? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/14 09:59 PM |
| 3 | Can Red Blue and Purple Pillers agree that the formation of an Equal Rights Movement would go a long way to resolve our differences?I'm not sure that is adequate for people with "de jure opportunity" but without "de facto opportunity". This is the crux of the issue, for me personally, and I think the answer is that it really isn't adequate. EDIT: I don't think it's possible to make opportunity truly equal. Life is messy. But I think we haven't done as much as we can or should, yet, in that regard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/14 11:31 AM |
| 2 | Can Red Blue and Purple Pillers agree that the formation of an Equal Rights Movement would go a long way to resolve our differences?That feels like a misrepresentation of the actual position. No one wants or expects perfect equality of outcome, merely genuine equality of opportunity that actually takes reality (past and present) into account instead of slapping a "de jure equality" label on it and declaring that any remaining imbalance must be because of innate differences and therefore we should stop trying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/14 11:30 AM |
| 6 | Accountability and the Restriction of Choices"I know you are but what am I?" Got it. Dishonest argumentation #653. I point out specifically, in exactly what ways you have been disingenuous and you choose to represent this as a schoolyard taunt. Nice strawman. Which one of us is being dishonest and immature again? You're creating a situation where only the answers you want to be acceptable are left. No, that's what you have done. I merely have maintained my original position, which is that it's quite possible for there to be no feasible opt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/14 08:48 AM |
| 9 | Accountability and the Restriction of ChoicesIt's also the only entertaining option when you're having a discussion with disingenuous people. Hence my talking down to you. Not that it isn't evident from the record of the discussion, but lest you think I hadn't noticed, you're the one moving the goalposts around. Playing dumb about what's being discussed and then whinging at me for being snarky after you're the one who first resorted to it. And look, more projection here. First "ridicule is just what you'd expect from a BPer", then "OH, of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/14 08:23 AM |
| 11 | Accountability and the Restriction of ChoicesOkay, because you apparently are this dense, I'll spell it out for you. Buses and Trains cost money and only get you so close to your house, so they do nothing to eliminate the walk. Bike? Bikes cost money, and are not that much safer than walking. Car? Cars cost even more money, and need upkeep and parking. Taxi? Money. Bumming rides off of friends/coworkers? This assumes you have any available who are willing and able to do this for you, which one very well might not. What choice does she have… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/14 07:42 AM |
| 12 | Accountability and the Restriction of ChoicesOh gosh i don't know- how about not walking home? As opposed to what? You still haven't said what the other options is/are (and explain how the options you suggest are feasible/possible, please). How about not choosing to live in a bad neighborhood, Lol, "choosing." This is the shit I'm talking about. Let's all of us just choose to live in palatial mansions and be chauffeured everywhere in limos. All you have to do is "choose" and it'll happen! Let's choose to have a pony and a rocketship, while… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/14 07:15 AM |
| 2 | When are red pill tactics inappropriate?That way does not have to be "one person gets the final word every time." People disagree in democracies all the damn time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/14 07:06 AM |
| 1 | When are red pill tactics inappropriate?Well, if you aren't advocating that non-egalitarian is the best way for most/all relationships, it seems we don't actually disagree on much/anything in that regard. Sorry you couldn't find the kind of relationship you wanted with your spouse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/14 06:31 AM |
| 3 | When are red pill tactics inappropriate?On the contrary, you are the one assuming that I believe that households with stay at home parents cannot be egalitarian. I'm assuming nothing. I'm responding directly to your own statement that: My marriage works better when I treat my wife subordinate to me. I'm saying that if someone's being treated as subordinate, as you yourself stated, then that relationship is not egalitarian. That's just tautological, and though a non-egalitarian relationship may work for you, it doesn't work for everyon… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/14 05:57 AM |
| 7 | BP/PP and ladies in particular, why is it wrong for a woman to be hypergamous/cheat on/'trade up' a partner to an alpha with higher SMV?Cheaters of both genders generally feel like they have perfectly good reasons for doing what they're doing, usually some variation of needs not being met, whether sexual, emotional, or what-have-you. It's not gender-specific. Hell, such justification isn't even limited to cheating. Show me a moral vice, and I'll show you someone who was totally justified okay?! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/14 05:38 AM |
| 12 | Accountability and the Restriction of ChoicesWhat's the alternate choice for the hypothetical woman who lives in a bad neighborhood and works a crappy night shift job that gets off at 3am? Sleep under the counter at McDonald's? It so disingenuous to pretend as if there aren't real constraints on what it is possible for people to choose to do. If I threaten to shoot you unless you give me money, have you given me your money voluntarily? I mean, you had a choice. This is, of course, an extreme example, but somewhere between "give me your wal… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/14 05:31 AM |
| 2 | When are red pill tactics inappropriate?Your mistake is thinking that it always has to be that way because it works that way for you. That's your solipsism talking. Plenty of people find that egalitarian relationships are happier and more successful and stable for them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/14 05:11 AM |
| 7 | BP/PP and ladies in particular, why is it wrong for a woman to be hypergamous/cheat on/'trade up' a partner to an alpha with higher SMV?The pressure really can be very overt sometimes. I personally like less-masculine men. (The fact that such men are so hot to me is one of the major things that makes RP seem so alien to reality.) ...And I've gotten a bunch of comments from friends and ragging from my father and brother to the tune of "Is that even a guy?", "He's probably gay," and other timeless classics. Not to mention, RP itself. It doesn't encourage guys to go for the kind of girls they like, no matter what those girls might … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/14 03:14 AM |
| 4 | Do you think feminists would love TRP if it ditched the misogyny and manipulation and instead took a misandrist approach? Both pillsYou try finding a bra without that stupid padding in the bottom of the cup, it's like looking for non-stiletto heels which also have a rounded toe-box. FFS. Hell, even try finding one without underwire, god that stuff is so uncomfortable. I'm just a B I don't need that shit, but there it is. I did finally find some comfortable ones marketed as "sleep" bras. They're even designed with the strap adjustments in the front and let me tell you, that is awesome. Who the hell ever thought it was a good … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/14 05:44 AM |
| 1 | Do you think feminists would love TRP if it ditched the misogyny and manipulation and instead took a misandrist approach? Both pillsEh, the comment as it was presented didn't seem that bad to me. Just good natured adult joking I guess? I'm trying to imagine being upset at a SO for joking about some celeb/pornstar's "personality"/assets in a similar way and I just...can't? I mean, my friends (both male and female) and I just talk about that stuff. See some nice/funny nsfw thing and forward it along to someone you know will appreciate it. If I have that with my friends I can't imagine having to be uptight about porn with an SO… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/14 05:39 AM |
| 4 | Do you think feminists would love TRP if it ditched the misogyny and manipulation and instead took a misandrist approach? Both pillsBecause causality don't real? "If I punch someone in the face and they get a black eye, how is it my fault?" Your entire little list of passive aggressive retaliation is designed to make someone else be less happy and less confident/secure than the were before. So yeah. If you intentionally do something to cause an outcome, then that outcome is your fault. And most of it over stuff that less insecure guys wouldn't even bat an eye over, so she'd have no reason to even know that doing it was "wron… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/14 09:05 PM |
| 2 | Are the ways people assign value to other humans universal?I may or may not be older than you, and /u/strategicatomicmoose is correct. "Be Yourself" has always been advice about being true to who you are not advice to stagnate. One hardly has to twist the meaning of the words to understand that and I'm frankly surprised so many people have so monumentally misunderstood them. I mean, "Put on a front"? That's pretty much the opposite of "Be Yourself" no matter how you look at what the words mean. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/14 08:52 PM |
| 4 | Do you think feminists would love TRP if it ditched the misogyny and manipulation and instead took a misandrist approach? Both pillsI'm actually okay with talking once if you're going to be so obsessed about what is 90% stupid shit. (Seriously? You're going to get mad that she complimented a male celebrity online?!?!) ...but after the talk, the next step is actually enforcing your boundaries and leaving to find someone else, not passive aggression to make a clearly incompatible person miserable because you feel entitled to control your SO. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/14 08:38 PM |
| 1 | Purple Pill Debaters, what music have you guys been listening to lately?Maroon 5, Billy Talent, an assortment of random anime songs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/14 09:53 AM |
| 0 | Should we reduce the percentage of domestic violence murders against women?I didn't say that, but enjoy eviscerating your straw. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/14 04:26 AM |
| 0 | Which gender has more/bigger unfair adantages in Western society?While whining. Not that there's anything wrong with that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/14 03:14 AM |
| 0 | Should we reduce the percentage of domestic violence murders against women?Actually I believe the rate of women murdering their partners dropped sharply with the institution of domestic violence laws and no-fault divorce, when they started to have more ways out of bad situations than to murder the guy who was keeping them there. It may not account for all the rate, but it's probably a bigger factor than proxy murders. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/14 03:04 AM |
| 1 | Should we reduce the percentage of domestic violence murders against women?Yeah, but they'll need to step it up if they want to eclipse other murder causes for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/14 03:02 AM |
| 22 | The treatment of lonely women vs the treatment of lonely menIt's probably because RPers generally can't conceive of an attractive woman being lonely or not having a perfect life, so when they try to imagine an unhappy, lonely women, in their heads she's fat(fat women being always unattractive to their minds). In reality of course, women don't have it nearly as good as they think, and plenty of average - attractive women also have problems meeting people, for many of the same broad set of reasons a man might have trouble. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/14 01:23 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: What Are Spouses Entitled To?prenups are voided for a variety of reasons, including, often, because only one of the involved parties had legal representation when the pre-nup was agreed on. If someone couldn't be bothered to observe due process I'm not going to have sympathy when their already-invalid prenup gets recognized as void by the court. Also could you rephrase your second paragraph I'm not sure what you mean? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/14 09:00 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: What Are Spouses Entitled To?Certain rights can be waived by the involved parties, and that's what you are describing here. It doesn't mean they aren't rights. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/14 12:41 AM |
| 1 | i was at the bar with my friends, my gf told me she would date somebody ASAP if i didn't contact her?!Go back to sleep. Find new girlfriend after leisurely breakfast in the morning. Maybe go out to a nice bustling cafe to start the process. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/14 12:28 AM |
| 5 | A question for RPW: What motivates you besides being pleasing to men?I feel like RP guys don't even care if the woman makes all the decisions, as long as everyone can agree to uphold the fiction that the dude is in charge. It's like, in a most matriarchal tribal societies, the men have some kind of male joo-joo or special role, like a flute that only men can touch and that's necessary for some spiritual thing. It doesn't really do anything of course, but it's very important that everyone pretends that it does. That's the impression I'm getting from you here. Is t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/14 12:27 AM |
| 2 | Discussion: What Are Spouses Entitled To?I could just as easily say that no one is forcing a man to have a wife who stays home. You practically actually have to try to find one of those nowadays I think. ...But the more salient point is that life often does force choices like this. This notion that unless someone is holding a gun to your head everything you do is a 100% free choice is bullshit. I lost my job and had to move back in the spring. It wasn't something I wanted to do. I loved where I was living. And sure I chose where I woul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/14 12:16 AM |
| 2 | Discussion: What Are Spouses Entitled To?It isn't discrimination, it's necessary protection. Like child support, maybe it wouldn't BE necessary in a system with a more robust social safety net, but non-earning partners are actively sacrificing real wages and perhaps even more importantly they are paying a very high opportunity cost, that will hinder their own financial independence forever. So no. you're not aloud to take from your non earning partner for years in terms of them supporting your earning ability behind the scenes, and the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/14 11:43 PM |
| 4 | Discussion: What Are Spouses Entitled To?If you cannot support yourself don't leave. Later: "Well, I don't have any sympathy for you! If s/he was abusing you so badly why didn't you just leave?!?!?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/14 08:34 AM |
| 1 | Addressing the common BP question "what can women do to avoid criticism?"You are focusing on irrelevancy, if you aren't focusing on how it's actually used in the real world. This is worse than engaging in pedantry over the actual definition of the word "decimate". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/14 08:32 AM |
| 5 | I spend a lot of money on partners...I find it interesting the guesses made at what gender I or my partner am in this story, because I was careful to use gender-neutral language. There are four redditors who refer to my partner as a female. So my second question is, Why are people coming to this conclusion? The fact that you clearly read as male and this is a transparent attempt to gotcha someone into agreeing that it's justifiable to be upset with "sluts" or something, if I had to guess. SO, uh, sorry people assumed you were strai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/14 07:28 AM |
| 4 | Discussion: What Are Spouses Entitled To?The legal obligation falls on the higher-earning partner, not on "the man." If he were the poorer partner or stay-at-home, she'd be paying him, and he wouldn't have a legal obligation to fuck her for it, either. It's...what does RP love to say? It's not a double standard, it's a fair standard based on the facts of reality. Have more money? Pay spousal support. It's not because he's a man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/14 07:21 AM |
| 2 | What is a woman experiencing during an anxiety/frustration/insecurity induced episode of intense emotionality....and what resolves it?In my personal experience that's because by the time I get to this point I've already started working on my own solutions and it's infuriating to have someone tell me a bunch of obvious shit I already know when all I wanted was a little comfort. It's like, I just want to commiserate about how frustrating this situation is and now someone I care about is basically insulting my competence as an adult "Have you tried X"? YES I'VE ALREADY DONE X, Shut your mouth and hug me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/14 02:16 AM |
| 1 | What is a woman experiencing during an anxiety/frustration/insecurity induced episode of intense emotionality....and what resolves it?"What is it like to be a woman?" It's nice, but overall...pretty normal, I guess? ::shrug:: | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/14 02:00 AM |
| 7 | I spend a lot of money on partners...No. People change. They grow up. I, too was less financially responsible than I am now, 10 years ago. My parents larked all over the southern US after they got married, but had reeled that in by the time my brother and I came along. How could you have possibly built an expectation when according to your own story you've been behaving consistently ever since you met your current partner? If someone is immature enough to call you "unfair" for evolving and growing, and insecure enough to compare th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/14 01:51 AM |
| 2 | Two Questions for Red PillersThe difference between infidelity and past sexual partners is that you've broken a promise to be faithful in one case and done nothing wrong in the other. Unfaithfulness isn't bad because Sex!, it's bad because the individual is betraying an explicit promise. That's why it's not wrong, nor grounds for breaking, up if such sex happens in the absence of such a promise (Haven't defined the relationship yet/ agreed relationship was not exclusive/ etc). So, if I have a girlfriend of 6 weeks its reaso… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/14 01:44 AM |
| 9 | Two Questions for Red PillersIt's more like running over a sleeping dog after taking a glance and deciding it was roadkill. Or hell, even a perfectly awake and healthy dog just because it was a little scruffy. People don't lose their value to love and be loved or be wonderful supporting partners through having sex. What would the mechanism even be? A woman would have no reasonable basis on which to conclude that she's objectively unlovable and thus any guy who tells her that is lying. It simply is not and cannot be somethin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/14 06:38 PM |
| 7 | Two Questions for Red PillersIf she's a post-wall slut looking for a beta provider type, she's an idiot to believe anyone would actually put a ring on her. Soooooo it's acceptable to lie to people you have utter disdain for because they should have internalized your (arbitrary and unjustified) contempt and already believe that they are worthless? Or something. And you would similarly find it acceptable to withhold crucial information about health risks based on what you assumed about her personality and history based on ver… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/14 04:57 PM |
| 7 | Discussion: What Are Spouses Entitled To?Taxes. Beneficiary/visitation/power of attorney issues. As a trigger for a bunch of other rights and privileges. The state doesn't know, care or need to know or care what the emotional/sexual integrity of your relationship is. All that matters is both of you agreed to be married to each other, for state purposes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/14 04:24 PM |
| 2 | How does feminism "ruin lives"?(just how many women have meaningful careers). Just how many anyone have meaningful careers? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/14 04:20 AM |
| 4 | RPers: why do you object to BP?Necessity. Fair enough. Hope things get better. I'm going to make an educated guess that we don't run in the same circles. It's too bad, my circles are pretty awesome. I think we still have a seat open for the Uncanny X-Men RP on Sunday. We did Marvel Villains last month and it was great fun. You're really missing out, man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/14 02:38 AM |
| 2 | Blue Pillers: What do you object to in the Red Pill Women sub?No, it's totally Thursday. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/14 02:25 AM |
| 5 | RPers: why do you object to BP?How could somebody identify with me when I spend $50 a month How do you get by so cheap? I spend more than that on work lunches alone, not counting groceries. I don't know where guys get ridiculous ideas like this. I don't know any women who are being taken care of by other people in the way you describe. We're all employed professionals who pay for our own rent, food, comic books etc. But no one understands you because you have to buy your own food like every other fucking adult on the planet o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/14 02:14 AM |
| 1 | BPers, here are pictures of two males. Which do you think has a much easier time getting women to have sex with him, and why?Have you read Nixonland? It's a combo biography and political history and it's super richly detailed. Would recommend. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/14 08:01 AM |
| 4 | BPers, here are pictures of two males. Which do you think has a much easier time getting women to have sex with him, and why?Personally gonna go for #2. There's just something, er, "off" about number one? It's like, a little uncanny valley I guess? I feel like he should look better, but there's something throwing it off that I can't put my finger on and he just looks unsettling. If these aren't just stock photos I guess this is supposed to be some kind of gotcha about current events? I'm not current, so I can't say. Also I'm too sleep deprived to bother with an image search atm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/14 02:26 AM |
| 1 | To everyone: unicorns and ideal ltr traitsMust not have an ego bigger than mine. How about an ego of similar size? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/14 11:12 PM |
| 0 | Women still want to marry men who are better educated and earn more money than them, rather than have careers, a report findsSo...exactly like men, then? Or just...humans, I guess? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/14 10:42 PM |
| 2 | Women still want to marry men who are better educated and earn more money than them, rather than have careers, a report findsOn the bright side you probably don't have much college debt, though? My brother dropped out of college and got a welding apprenticeship and he's doing just awesome right now. Had his own business for a while and now works for [Major Company] and gets to travel all over. You might want to look into doing a trade. You've probably still got a chance to have a fairly good career if you want it. /unsolicited advice and encouragement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/14 10:40 PM |
| 3 | Hypocrisy, TBP vs TRPQuit acting retarded. People understand that your front yard, drive way, and door step are fair game for the public. It's when a stranger enters your house, you have no idea what they're up to. It most likely is no good. Quit being willfully blind to reality. We've already had people shot to death on lawns and porches for trying to ask directions, or hell, even arguably bad but sure-as-fuck not capital offenses like trying to TP someone's house, or larking around on someone's property because of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/14 10:20 PM |
| 2 | Hypocrisy, TBP vs TRPIt's not dumb when the alternative is that it's totally A-OK legally fine to shoot the mailman or someone lost and asking for directions or those damn kids coming to get their soccer ball, just because they set foot on your goddamn lawn. Duty to retreat laws eliminate the "But I was scared!" defense for murdering harmless people. Scared? You should've run away. Your pride isn't worth more than someone's life. ...And within the home or not, duty to retreat still allow for lethal defense in cases … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/14 07:14 AM |
| 11 | Hypocrisy, TBP vs TRPBut you're not making anything clear with dread game? Other than you don't respect her or the relationship, I guess. Nothing has been communicated about the reason for your dickish behavior. (Of course, that's the point of the manipulation, to just throw her off balance and make her wonder about what it could possibly be, so that she's constantly insecure and stressed.) BP isn't against actual feedback or giving people actual chances when you set actual boundaries instead of playing passive aggr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/14 12:59 AM |
| 2 | Did you ever really leave high school?What was your perception of your preferred gender in high school? I was completely oblivious to both genders, pretty much. I understood that other people felt things I didn't and I tried to be attracted to people, but you can't really force that shit, so... What were your interactions with people of interest? I wasn't even a little bit attracted to either of the guys I dated, and because of it physical affection was unpleasant. Both relationships were primarily characterized by angst on my part … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/14 04:56 AM |
| 4 | Serious question about finances (primarily for blue pill)Thoughtful response To be completely frank glib is called for sometimes. There's not much to say to the dogmatic believe that if someone's not dominating they're being dominated. It's not based on reality, is often directly, starkly illogical (for example on the issue of women keeping maiden names) and no amount of reasoning or offering examples is going to (in my experience) sway someone who believes that. And you get tired of dealing with that sometimes. Every time interests don't align, nomin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/14 02:13 AM |
| 6 | Serious question about finances (primarily for blue pill)Women make 75-80% of the purchasing decisions of the home in the US. Yeah, but that doesn't really say anything about how equal the relationship is. Mostly it probably says who happens to do the shopping for the small things (clothes, household goods, and food) that make up the bulk of household purchases. power-struggle ridden equality relationships Lulz. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/14 01:33 AM |
| 6 | Serious question about finances (primarily for blue pill)That's not exactly normal tho. I mean. What was she using them for? I am legit curious. Did she have like a creepy wall of tvs or something? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/14 01:24 AM |
| 4 | The Multi-Level Bullshit (MLBS) Model of ManipulationLook, dude is obviously a troll yes, and I think fewer people were engaging than you seem to think, but... but then asked why hasn't there been exceptions where someone... anyone... figured out that if they abolished "patriarchy" and instituted equality that they could really get ahead of the competition. They'd have twice the brainpower! And the workforce. Because humans aren't actually motivated by logical self interest? Business owners in the American south during Jim Crow could have, in many… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/14 09:54 AM |
| 2 | Non-whites and women in social standingShh. Don't indulge him. Let's exchange recipes instead. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/14 03:57 AM |
| 2 | Is the asymmetrical dynamic of hetero PIV sex worth talking about?Let's not equivocate. I hate false equivalence bullshit. Some issues (evolution, global warming, and whether legal structures of marriage sucked more for women throughout history) are just not even on both sides. The number of times and places that women have been severely disadvantaged by marriage dwarfs the number of times and places that men have been similarly disadvantaged. For the vast majority of recorded history in almost all times and places, and even in many places outside the west tod… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/14 03:05 AM |
| 2 | Is the asymmetrical dynamic of hetero PIV sex worth talking about?Not one-sided, but realllly lopsided. She was, in principle, entitled to the fruits of his labor, but in legal fact, he maintained total control and could cut her off at will. I once read a book(alas a library book I've lost access to. I wish I remembered the title..) covering old legal cases in England and colonial/early US, which had many cases alleging such treatment. In one case (Louisiana, I believe), the man kicked his wife out of the house and cut off her credit at the stores so she could… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/14 12:18 AM |
| 14 | Is the asymmetrical dynamic of hetero PIV sex worth talking about?Perhaps surprisingly, I agree with /u/sh1v on at least the limited point that more proactive communication/action on the part of women could stop a lot of terrible experiences in their tracks. Buuuut. I don't think people realize how actively girls, as they are growing up are discouraged from standing up for themselves. You can't hammer someone for years to be polite and compliant and if you* must* object to something then you'd better not make someone feel bad in the process! ...and then when t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/14 10:09 AM |
| 2 | Right or wrong in its ideology, is feminism responsible for reducing rape, and if so to what extent?Steven Pinker talks about this in a section of Better Angels of Our Nature, his conclusion is yes, certainly, (taking a long view) though, his views of feminism in the here and now are probably closer to redpill's than to mine. Mechanisms he discusses include an increase of empathy due to many more women being out in the world and a normal part of men's lives at work and school, rather than only encountered for courting and cloistered in the home as wives. He also cites the fact that feminism wa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/14 01:43 AM |
| 3 | what modern men and women desire in a mate?Ok, sure. If you want to believe that blatant flasehood in the face of all evidence to the contrary, I can't stop you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/14 07:07 AM |
| 8 | what modern men and women desire in a mate?It really isn't like that, though? I look around the real world and I see plenty of long-term couples where the man is being supported, even more if you count ones where he was being supported for some extended period of time. One of my closer current friends is a house husband/employed by his wife in her translation business. (He edits) and is THE caretaker for the couple's 3 children. His wife works insane hours on the translation jobs. My own parents met at the Yacht club. My mother was a cus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/10/14 11:10 AM |
| 2 | What issue for your sex/gender would you most like to see resolved? [SERIOUS]Women make up the majority of food service and textile, etc. workers, though, so the point stands. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/10/14 02:03 AM |
| 7 | What issue for your sex/gender would you most like to see resolved? [SERIOUS]I agree with the principle, but I actually think feminism is what made me free to be feminine when I felt like it without feeling bad or shamed about it. I never felt that feminism was anti-femininity, but I felt like the whole culture devalued being a woman, talking out of both sides of the mouth claiming to cherish it. I see a lot of that on RP, too. Saying "different" when what they truly feel is "lesser." Feminism inspired me to tell that culture to go fuck itself, let me embrace my own valu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/14 05:53 AM |
| 2 | Thoughts on this controversial blog post from both sides?OFF TOPIC BUT, it kind of bothers me when any population decline is couched as a "demographic crisis." Sure. Our systems are set up to depend on growth, and depriving them of growth will cause very unpleasant effects. But the problem is that the system was set up to depend on something as unsustainable as a constant level of growth in the first place. Growth which will only become more unsustainable as time goes on. A declining/leveling off population in today's world is not a problem that needs… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/14 12:17 AM |
| 3 | Thoughts on this controversial blog post from both sides?I think some of this does have to do with presentation. Saying that everything is photoshopped nowadays is a trivial fact, everyone knows it on a basic level, but I don't know if we really keep it in mind like we should. Even hot women have every single wrinkle of skin erased, arms slimmed, boobs and butt plumped, every time we actually see them in print or in pixels. Monroe might not have been larger in real terms, but to today's generation, I'm willing to bet she appears larger and more "avera… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/14 12:10 AM |
| 0 | Exactly how should consent be performed?Freezing up would actually be a body language sign negating consent though. I really can't understand these people acting like it's normal and indistinguishable from happy involvement when a partner just lies there unresponsive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/14 02:49 PM |
| -2 | Exactly how should consent be performed?It's there so simpletons don't get the idea that consent is one-and-done. It is there simply to define consent as something that can be revoked at any time. One would still have to revoke it. There have sadly been cases in the past where, in the middle of sex, individuals have expressed clearly their desire to stop, OR have expressed that though they did X, they will not do Y, and been forced to continue or to do Y anyway, with the rapist basically claiming "no take-backs!" This is to codify int… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/14 02:46 PM |
| 3 | I have been banned from both TRP and TBP, AMAAny plans to get banned from PPD? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/14 02:41 PM |
| 3 | Purple Pills, if you had to choose a pill today which one would you swallow?Not disagreeing with you, just being pedantic about phrasing and defining things further. It is actually impossible to choose to believe something one does not, in fact, believe. I am literally incapable of, for example, choosing to believe that deep down, the earth is made out of cheese with a melty fondue core. I might if I wish, choose to behave as if I believed this, but I cannot choose to believe it, I may only become convinced...or not. Blah blah determinism blah there's no free will blah. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/14 10:21 PM |
| 1 | GF & BF Spooning. GF cries rape 7 years later. Is it really rape?Something more than playing gotcha with things that didn't have anything to do with the question you asked me. Since whether or not you think I'm wrong about whether he was reckless, the fact is that recklessness is part of the law when it comes to criminal culpability and I stipulated it in my response. Primarily I guess I'm still just amazed at the bit about you thinking it's totally cool and a "positive signal" if your sex partner is lying there unresponsive. I think if guys (including you) t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 05:42 PM |
| 1 | GF & BF Spooning. GF cries rape 7 years later. Is it really rape?You're wrong. The culpable mental state also includes recklessness, which I stipulated in my post. Not merely 'did he know he was raping someone?,' but should he have known he was raping someone? Yes. Yes, he should have. All of which is irrelevant to the question you asked me, which was, do I think he deserves to be punished? And again, yes I do. (Way to ignore my entire answer again, btw.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 05:17 PM |
| 4 | TRP Men- Do you have daughters?No, she's not. Dear god can you name someone who actually belongs to the current generation of feminists? Gloria Steinem was born in 1934, a definitively second-wave feminist, not to mention a self-described radfem. Are you even trying? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 05:14 PM |
| 5 | TRP Men- Do you have daughters?Yeah, yeah. Find something from a contemporary woman who's ideas area actually accepted and influential in modern feminism and then we'll talk. I barely know who Simone de Beuvoir is, Valerie Solanas died when I was three, none of these people that get constantly dragged up like this are influential in contemporary feminism, which is actively hostile to radfems and pro-femininity if that's what a woman wants to be. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 04:56 PM |
| 2 | GF & BF Spooning. GF cries rape 7 years later. Is it really rape?Sure. I do blame him. For having sex with an unwilling person who froze and got stiff and unresponsive after he put his fingers in. For not bothering to do anything at all to make sure he had consent first. I don't think he did it on purpose, but I don't think it that matters to whether or not he raped her. I totalled my mother's car when I was 16. I didn't intend to do it, but my good intentions didn't un-total my mothers car or the pickup truck I'd smashed into. By all means don't throw the bo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 04:52 PM |
| 2 | GF & BF Spooning. GF cries rape 7 years later. Is it really rape?Well, I want to be clear about something first, something you've avoided addressing for the last two posts. So let me be clear: You think it's totally 100% kosher, just completely cool and normal, to stick your fingers into a girl you've never had sex with, never even talked to her about sex... and then, when she freezes, and goes totally unresponsive you think it's awesome and normal and okay, to then fuck that girl, while she remains completely still and unresponsive, and that, to you, is an e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 03:52 PM |
| 0 | TBP Women, do you have Sons?The world as it exists, not the world as redpillers percieve it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 03:07 PM |
| 2 | Exactly how should consent be performed?Seriously, in both cases it's an involuntary physiological response, for crissakes. Arousal =/= consent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 03:05 PM |
| 2 | GF & BF Spooning. GF cries rape 7 years later. Is it really rape?It's almost like she didn't give him ANY signals because she froze up and went totally silent! Stop disingenuously trying to imply that the situation is something else entirely. If anyone thought he was getting positive signals in this situation, that assumption was wholly unreasonable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 02:52 PM |
| 1 | GF & BF Spooning. GF cries rape 7 years later. Is it really rape?It's not nearly as byzantine as you're trying to make it out to be. If you're "in the mood" three minutes later, I guess you mean to say you consent three minutes later. If so, fine. But if the make-outs and fondling don't work to turn you on, or aren't themselves welcome, I hope your SO would stop. You are allowed to change your mind, yes. In the story I told in the post you're replying to, I started out really horny and into it, but got completely turned off partway through. Like 100% done kin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 02:44 PM |
| 1 | GF & BF Spooning. GF cries rape 7 years later. Is it really rape?If you two have never had sex before? It certainly fucking doesn't give you consent to "dive right in" like this guy did, unless that's been discussed somehow before hand. And lulz, I've never had problems, because somehow I keep winding up with guys who miraculously, have never just tried to pull this shit. This isn't some complicated negotiation in the real world. The first guy I was ever with, we were cuddling in bed, still in our clothes, and he told me how hard he was for me, or something t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 02:28 PM |
| 2 | GF & BF Spooning. GF cries rape 7 years later. Is it really rape?I don't know, I'd personally like to live in a world where people feel like they need to have consent before performing sexual acts on people, especially people they have never done so with before and therefore have no ongoing understanding. Not wanting to be penetrated against your will and desire isn't some kind of indication of immaturity. I would say this petulant insistence that having to be responsible partners and actually get consent is going to "ruin everything" is the bigger indication… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 01:36 PM |
| -1 | TRP Men- Do you have daughters?How is it fallacious? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 08:54 AM |
| 4 | TRP Men- Do you have daughters?keep her away from feminist ideas Yeah, it would be terrible if she got it into her head that it was OK to work hard and pursue her dreams and talents, whatever they happen to be, or that she somehow got the idea that it was OK to have personal boundaries and not sacrifice your happiness for a relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 08:21 AM |
| 5 | GF & BF Spooning. GF cries rape 7 years later. Is it really rape?Ok.. If getting raped.. I'm going to fight it off.. Plenty of people SAY this about traumatic experiences. I've been groped in public several times. It's always a deeply unpleasant experience. I always say I'm going to be violent with the next guy who does it, but still I've always frozen when it actually happens. You don't know how you'll react until the moment arrives. You can drill yourself or train iterations of bad scenarios to make it more likely that you'll react in a proactive way, but y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 08:03 AM |
| 6 | GF & BF Spooning. GF cries rape 7 years later. Is it really rape?Why are we indulging 'what ifs' where she gives him the go ahead, when the plain fact is that he didn't even attempt to ask her if she was okay and if she wanted to continue when she froze up and went silent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 07:57 AM |
| 6 | GF & BF Spooning. GF cries rape 7 years later. Is it really rape?I don't understand this shit. I've only needed to walk out in the middle of a sexual encounter once. I didn't shout or push or say no, either. I just...stopped. I stopped participating, I sat up, and the guy, not being a rapist, noticed this obvious fact and he stopped too. He asked me if I wanted to talk about it. I didn't, I left. All while we were both drunk off our asses. This isn't rocket science. It's not inscrutable when someone doesn't want to be having sex with you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 03:48 AM |
| 1 | The male slut (Warning: Long read)I never thought he said that and I certainly wasn't defending against the idea. If that's your takeaway from reading my post perhaps you should do it again. Or, for that matter, he should, and acknowledge and address the response to his statement contained within instead of dodging it as he has. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 12:16 AM |
| -1 | The male slut (Warning: Long read)Agree to disagree on this I think. I don't believe that people's interpretation on how a fictional character can love is that much more relevant to reality than people's interpretation on how a fictional character could turn invisible because of gamma radiation. Sorry, I believe I clarified myself in an above comment, and in the other one I made on this post. Mea Culpa for being imprecise with language. I'll copy the relevant bits. And sure, that was poorly phrased. It's not emotionless, but onl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 06:16 PM |
| 3 | [Somewhat OT]Can a Husband "sexually harrass" his Wife?True, the ability to manhandle someone you supposedly love against their will is something that is being "taken away from marriage." Personally, though, I don't find that regrettable. Nice trying to weasel out of exactly what you actually said, by the way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 06:09 PM |
| 0 | The male slut (Warning: Long read)Jesus is, like this analogy, largely fictional, so if you're using him as an example of what is possible or has happened, then I'm not on board for that. If he claimed such, I think he was probably being dishonest with himself or others, too. Plus, the rape thing just makes my point about sex, really. Positive emotions are not required one can have sex (perhaps non-consetual == rape) with someone, without feeling love or any positive emotion at all for them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 06:02 PM |
| -1 | The male slut (Warning: Long read)I'm glad we can agree that the analogy is ridiculous then. I assure you the extremely facile point being made by this train-wreck didn't escape my notice. I obviously still think the scenario is stupid, but at least it makes sense in the context of the real world. There are regrettably a lot of men who have that kind of illogical thinking when it comes to relationships and sex, so the scenario described isn't unrealistic, even if I don't feel any sympathy for it's protagonist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 05:57 PM |
| -2 | The male slut (Warning: Long read)Sure. I, too often think blatantly contradictory things make more sense than things that are clearly coherent and grounded in reality.1 1- Actually, no I don't, sorry. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 05:43 PM |
| 0 | The male slut (Warning: Long read)That view of love just reinforces the idea that the analogy is ridiculous and Mark is being dishonest...whether with himself or others. Loyalty and Commitment don't require love, but love often spurs people to be loyal and commit. Not on it's own either. You need respect(another emotion) to truly inspire loyalty and commitment. (And respect is often enough on it's own, without love, to inspire those.) It's why I could never be with a man who didn't respect me. And sure, that was poorly phrased. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 05:37 PM |
| 2 | The male slut (Warning: Long read)You're obviously trolling with this, but what the hell, someone has to argue in good faith. It differs because love, being an emotion, is actually literally all emotion, and the act of having sex is well established as often being emotionless. Your "switched" version is intrinsically contradictory and incoherent, while the original version made sense and was based on actual fact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 05:19 PM |
| 6 | The male slut (Warning: Long read)Yeah, but it's just bad even as an analogy because the things being compared aren't analogous. 1) Any of us could go out right now and fuck someone without deep or complicated feelings for that person, let alone without positive feelings for them, but we could not go out right now and choose any person and, barring self-deception, honestly say that we loved them, because "love" and "fucking someone" are like apples and starfruit. 2) Even giving credence to the ridiculous premise that this guy ac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 05:12 PM |
| 7 | The male slut (Warning: Long read)You know the switching words around things only works when the analogy retains coherence in it's switched state...right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 04:58 PM |
| 6 | [Somewhat OT]Can a Husband "sexually harrass" his Wife?Manhandling someone you supposedly love against their will is what makes marriage special? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 07:35 AM |
| 5 | Marital rapeIs it women? It's women, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 07:19 AM |
| 1 | Do All Men Need the Red Pill? Are some men above it?The nuns used to lock my grandmother in a closet with her left hand tied behind her back. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/14 11:20 PM |
| 3 | Dudes, how many female friends do you have?That kind of falls under "by choice." If someone actively wants to start a family, then presumably they wouldn't be single "by choice." Not every woman has a biological clock, though, or any desire to have kids, and a lot of guys do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/14 07:26 AM |
| 3 | Dudes, how many female friends do you have?Well, obviously, but that's the same with women, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/14 05:53 AM |
| 2 | Dudes, how many female friends do you have?Two hours? Phsh. Once of my friends drove all the way from Washington DC to West fucking Virginia to pick me and 3 others up when we got stranded because my car broke down. The story of how my poor car then languished in the hands of Darrel, Darrel, and their cousin Darrel for more than a month is alas, not as cheerful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/14 03:16 AM |
| 8 | Dudes, how many female friends do you have?To be fair, I don't know that many chronically single guys in that age range who are that happy about it either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/14 03:09 AM |
| 1 | What does TBP have to say about the rise and rise of Sugar Babies and Sugar Daddies?And I think you're being purposefully vague/evasive. I believe I've explained my objections to what you actually said clearly and specifically, though, so if you don't care to elaborate on what you actually think the problem with such relationships is, or why it constitutes hypocrisy, or what informing friends and family has to do with any of that, then I guess we should just agree to leave things where they are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 10:49 AM |
| 0 | Is equality between the sexes falsifiable?If you actually bothered to know anything about matriarchal societies you'd know men still work and support their families, just that family is conceived of differently, and his sister-sons are the next males in his family line, since the line stays with women. Sure things would be different, to the same proportion people in patriarchal societies balk at putting resources into daughters who can't carry on the line, but it wouldn't (and doesn't, in practice) implode anything. The primacy of patri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 07:59 AM |
| 0 | Is equality between the sexes falsifiable?Plenty of things get picked up and propagated because of reasons other than merit. The human eye is a bad 'design' for a number of reasons, but because the genes that led to the eye we have now just happened to be present in the original population of humans, and because they were not outright-detrimental, they came along for the ride with actually-advantageous adaptations. This is the thing I keep having to explain over and over. If things had happened differently during early history thousands… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 06:36 AM |
| -1 | Is equality between the sexes falsifiable?Because they were robbed of the chance by the system. Once you've been born into a society where you are kept weak, uneducated, in many cases legally deprived of the possibility of supporting yourself, and often segregated and isolated in the home, it's an understatement to say you have a disadvantage even on an individual level let alone trying to organize society wide. Well, first of all, my statements only work premised on my statements, so it's kind of nonsense to ask my "Why X, but only if … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 05:42 AM |
| 1 | Is equality between the sexes falsifiable?I'll get to the rest of this later but, Yes, well, women keep demanding that we be safe, that the government protect us. We have abandoned the idea that men keep themselves and their families safe. This is the Nanny State, watching us day and night, making sure we never think or do anything that might hurt anyone. Safety before freedom. LOLLLL. Pretty sure that way more than half the people in favor of shit like this are good old boys like my male relatives who think that this is just GETTING TO… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 03:09 AM |
| 1 | Is equality between the sexes falsifiable?Sure, but even fertility doesn't translate to sex! in the way many people seem to insist. Breasts are viewed as exclusively/primarily maternal in many cultures, not as intrinsically sexual body parts as we view them in the US/ much of the contemporary first world, so there is considerable flexibility due to culture there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 02:59 AM |
| 0 | Is equality between the sexes falsifiable?The thing about the burgers was to illustrate a point which you seem to have missed. Also it's not hardly "all" cultures, though it is (nowadays) the majority, which is more than adequately explained by momentum, as I mentioned before. Think of it in a similar way to the spread of the big three monotheistic religions, if you like. They certainly didn't beat out pantheism etc based on merit. And once established, they can effectively maintain hegemony and crowd out other religions much more easil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 02:58 AM |
| 3 | Is equality between the sexes falsifiable?No, that's not what I'm saying. First of all, I'm talking about social/cultural evolution which takes place over much smaller time scales (speaking of the big picture) and is very arbitrary. I don't think Americans are best adapted to eat burgers or have weird hangups about sex, nor do I think these things are particularly adaptive but our cultural history explains why they came to be, and why other cultures are different. Even the things we find sexy vary with culture and are very arbitrary. Th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 02:24 AM |
| 2 | Is equality between the sexes falsifiable?Yes, if you'll stop thinking about this as if they all rose up together one night. It's not that much of a "coincidence," any more than it's a "coincidence" that the first rabbit that evolved had another genetically compatible rabbit to mate with. That's not how biological evolution works, and it's not how cultural evolution (also a population-wide phenomenon, not an individual phenomenon) works, either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 02:07 AM |
| 5 | Is equality between the sexes falsifiable?Do you believe black people are not "equal" to white people? Do you believe that poor people and serfs from all of history have not been "equal" in terms of their humanity and potential to the nobility? The answer to your question is momentum. Once someone has momentum and a power structure in place designed to opress another group, maintaining it isn't that difficult. It's not like men constantly had to re-subjugate women or nobles had to constantly re-subjugate serfs or white slaveowners had t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 01:48 AM |
| 1 | What does TBP have to say about the rise and rise of Sugar Babies and Sugar Daddies?What the hell do her friends and family have to do with it? As long as all actual participants in the relationship are on the same page, what exactly is the problem? Why does it matter what they tell others? I'd imagine many poly, kinky , or even queer individuals omit information about their relationships to people who are likely to be closed minded. Since it's not those people's relationship I don't see hypocrisy in not telling them information that's none of their business anyway. Sorry, I'm … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 12:01 AM |
| 1 | What does TBP have to say about the rise and rise of Sugar Babies and Sugar Daddies?Yes but no relationship is being faked? Or rather, no one is pretending affection runs deeper than it does? So I don't see the hypocrisy. And it's mostly bad when terpers use strategies that are harmful to other people. Whether or not they are genuine to the terper in question is of concern on a relationship level, but of very much concern compared to the ethical considerations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/14 10:26 PM |
| 1 | What does TBP have to say about the rise and rise of Sugar Babies and Sugar Daddies?Yeah but being being an escort as a way of going about getting money isn't harmful to others? So why would BP be against it? Same for paying money as a way of going about getting sex/companionship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/14 03:00 AM |
| 1 | Question for All: Is there a functional distinction between "objectification" and "lust"?1) That's not what demisexual means. That's not even on the ace spectrum at all. Plenty of completely sexual people feel like they need to get to know someone. Say what you want about Tumblr, but being able to put words to something and not feel like there's something wrong with you is pretty damn valuable. I didn't feel sexual attraction to anyone at all until I was 19 or 20 and even after that very rarely. Dating people used to be hell, knowing that there was something missing but not knowing … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/14 02:32 AM |
| 3 | "Women are not adults."We're all going to die, cease to exist, and be forgotten about anyway some sooner than others, but all of us in the end. I'm not super enthused about that, but it's the truth and there's no point pretending otherwise. So. Given the transient nature of our sojurn on Earth, happiness in the here and now is a pretty solid goal IMO. While one should never try to attain it at the cost of others' misery, neither should someone sacrifice it for an ultimately meaningless 'legacy.' That doesn't mean I do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 04:27 AM |
| 1 | Thought experiment on marriage"at-fault" divorce just incentivizes people to accuse their partner of doing shit wrong when all they really want is out of the relationship. I see what you're going for here, but I don't think it's going to play out favorably if implemented in real life. And you can say you left the "easy" option open for people, but humans are nothing if not delusionally optimistic about how much they can handle when it comes to just about anything, and marriage won't be any different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/14 08:20 AM |
| 1 | Who is the craziest person you have ever met (in the dating world) and how did you handle it?I've fortunately only come into contact with very mild crazy. He wasn't for the most part hostile, except towards the very end, but there were some things that were just ...weird. Like, we were leaving a conference for work together, and we caught a taxi to the station. He got in at the curb and I waited for him to scoot over so I could get in, too, as one does. but he just sat there for a while and then did this whole exasperated sigh, got out of the taxi, pushed past me, walked all the way aro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/14 07:42 AM |
| 1 | If you were the opposite gender, what would your strategy be to find happiness in sex/love?One of the dudes in my old powerlifting group was a nurse. Dude looked damn good in his nurse outfit. ::wistful sigh:: | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/14 01:30 PM |
| 4 | Can BPers clarify on what's wrong with the RPW sub?It just feels kind of...sad to me. I genuinely feel bad for some of the people who write in with problems and get all that damaging advice. Mostly the parts where people write in about how they have partners who intend to do or are doing things that are detrimental to their person, their girlfriend, or the family unit, and yet they can't just tell their partner and they can't just put their own foot down in the cases where their partner is dead set on whatever the stupidity du jour is. It's an a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/14 01:15 PM |
| 3 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?You do know that shitty school justice codes preceded all of that, aren't the fault of feminism, and don't specifically target men, right? They are now and always have been shit, because the goal is and always has been ass-covering and not justice. When I was in college I was accused of physically, uh, menacing I guess? A fellow student. I can't really tell you what I was accused of because the justice committee didn't see fit to give me that many details either. Not only wouldn't they tell me e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 07:22 AM |
| 3 | The "nice guy" debate: Heroes vs AntiheroesIn his own spin-off comic, Loki Agent of Asgard, he's certainly more than a just villain. As he was in his Young Avengers appearance which preceded it. He's still acting in his own interest, but his current own interest is to break free of a kind of fate-bind where he's doomed to be nothing but a villain, always burning. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 06:06 AM |
| 2 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?Abducting people to be your wife was a popular "sexual strategy" for years in many human societies. That's how Ghengis Khan's mother came to be Ghengis Khan's mother, for example. Reproduction accomplished! Is that "sexual strategy" amoral too? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 04:53 AM |
| 1 | What are women qualified to give advice on?What did all those non sentient lifeforms ever do to you? Haven't they suffered enough due to human activity? Leave the world alone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 12:33 AM |
| 4 | What are women qualified to give advice on?This. Reminds me of a boyfriend who had terrible fucking form when he lifted but would never listen to me about it. I, who was on a powerlifting team at the time and lifted competitively, and got training and feedback from experienced and professional teammates, and he just did it casually whenever he felt like it. Ok, fine, keep sucking then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 03:32 AM |
| 1 | I am BP, but there seems to be one strange phenomenon that I have only seen explained by RPAnd I've seen people who dislike X group let that color their every perception of that group, even when the individual in question has been perfectly polite or competent the whole time, or even when they would ignore similarly rude/dumb behavior from someone in a group they like better. See also: My father and black people. Like it or not, your attitudes actually change how you perceive the world. Our brains filter reality according to what we already believe, not just at the level of interpreta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 12:17 AM |
| 2 | I am BP, but there seems to be one strange phenomenon that I have only seen explained by RPVenting isn't supposed to solve the problem, it's supposed to make you feel better about the problem, which it often does. It is it's own instrumental, practical solution to a problem: feeling bad. You don't have to just wait for the unhappiness to pass, you could actually do something about it in some cases. And in those cases, why shouldn't you? Not everyone wants to lock their emotions inside where they can fester quietly as a mental illness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/14 11:59 PM |
| 6 | Want your opinion / adviceNot to mention the fact that he came back and tried again after she explicitly said no. Why say no again when it doesn't work because he's so obviously willing to ignore her stated wishes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/14 08:44 AM |
| 2 | For the love of god, don't advocate suicideLol like cellphones and refrigerators are luxuries. Is that you, Bill? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/14 05:59 AM |
| 3 | For the love of god, don't advocate suicideI'm hardly one of those singularity people but it's a fact that the way we interact with each other has changed and is going to keep changing and you can't judge that against a metric of how things used to work or what "basics" were before the internet existed. Especially for people in more recent generations. Secondly, your notion of what it takes to get away from cyberbullying is is so naive it would be charming if it wasn't such a serious issue (and liable to become more serious as more of ou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/14 05:51 AM |
| 3 | For the love of god, don't advocate suicideTangentially, I'm sick of this notion that the internet is some pocket universe unrelated to the real world. It's rooted in the same neo-luddism that inspires old men to yell at clouds about how no one talks to each other anymore when talking to each other is exactly what people are using these new-fangled inter-tubes for in the first place. (Well, that and porn.) Not to mention the fact that sure, maybe some people are the equivalent of internet tourists just passing though, but a lot spend a s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/14 05:11 AM |
| 2 | Getting some semantics out of the wayIt's not just semantics. RPers have described what they mean by these things numerous times and I object to the nature of the relationship being described, not just the words. Not being submissive doesn't mean I'll never be considerate to my partner, it means I expect them to be just as considerate to me, just as respectful (not deferential) to me. That isn't being submissive, because even in most RPers view as I understand it, a "Captain" can "accommodate concerns" and still have the final say.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/09/14 08:56 AM |
| 6 | Imo, women sometimes really do verbally provoke men. Men are powerless and can do nothing. Therefore, women don't see themselves provoking a man, let alone see any fault for it. What do you think, Purple Pill?I don't mean to wallow in my privilege or anything but is this a class thing? What circles do you run in where the men are actually punching anyone? Most of the guys I know would be ashamed to behave that way. If horrible shit gets said, everyone, male or female, tucks their tail and finds more civilized ways to retaliate. Responding with violence to anything other than actual violence would severely damage someone's credibility. Secondly, speaking of privilege, having that option open, even jus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/14 02:22 AM |
| 1 | Do women masturbate less than men, and if so, why?Why don't you just come out and say "anything but black" :/ FFS. And sure, it's easier to get sex, period as a woman, but far easier to get sex worth having as a man. And Easier =/= Laughably Easy. Contrary to what most RPers believe, decent quality sex doesn't just fall into women's laps whenever they want it. Plenty of women have a lot of sex they don't enjoy, and have it of often, too. It doesn't follow that unenjoyable sex is necessarily worth having. EDIT: I should clarify I am not claiming… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/14 03:30 AM |
| 1 | Do women masturbate less than men, and if so, why?You know there are a lot of girls who aren't either average looking, or white, right? And even attractive girls need some level of sociability. Lulz. As if the guy being pretty has anything to do with whether or not it's bad sex. Sure, a bare minimum of sexual attractiveness is certainly necessary, but it sure as fuck isn't sufficient. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/14 11:52 PM |
| 1 | Do women masturbate less than men, and if so, why?That's just wrong. Wrong in the basic sense that it's simply not as easily attainable for everyone as you suggest, And wrong in the secondary sense that what is available through such means is often not worth having. Which is to say: bad sex. Sex which it is not just mediocre but which is actively unpleasant. If a woman wants an orgasm and a pleasurable experience, staying home and doing it for herself is a WAY safer bet than tinder roulette, and has the very appealing bonus of also not having t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/14 04:47 PM |
| 1 | Do women masturbate less than men, and if so, why?Accepting your bullshit premise for the sake of argument: Because it feels good, and if you just want an orgasm it's easier and quicker than just about anything else. Addressing your bullshit premise: Because sex isn't always readily available, and because in actual fact, society often harshly penalizes and actively shames people for even perceived sluttiness, though thankfully such beliefs are on their way out. Also, because it feels good, and if you just want an orgasm it's easier and quicker … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/14 03:22 PM |
| 1 | Do women masturbate less than men, and if so, why?Um. No? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/14 12:33 PM |
| 0 | Women less likely than men to have flexible work schedule approvedLovely that pefectly competent people can get shafted just because prospective co-workers can't manage to function like adults. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/14 02:45 PM |
| 5 | What exactly is it about TRP that you disagree with?When I was a kid I didn't always WANT to go to school but I'd sure as hell have been missing out (and regretting it now) if I hadn't. When I was older I didn't particularly WANT to learn how to pilot the family's boat, but now I feel I missed out. People are perfectly capable of blithely and even gleefully making poor long-term choices and missing out on valuable temporary chances, while at the same time being clueless about it in the moment. Ultimately, I'm going to have to live with my current… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/14 04:22 PM |
| 3 | Let's talk generalities. Ladies, be you red blue or periwinkle, how often do you encounter rude unpleasant men? Men, vice versa.Here in Japan? Almost never. And when I do you can be almost certain it's some gaijin jackass. Back in the US? Fairly frequently whenever I went out or ventured off campus. But there's a spectrum and at least guys who took it to a threatening level were relatively rare. Still quite unpleasant. Also the sexually charged attention started early. Like, literally before I comprehended the concept of sexual desire. So, uh, that shit was creepy and horrible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/14 02:32 PM |
| 2 | BP Men, you have ever worked in a predominantly male work environment?No, we don't. Feminists would never do something to endanger such a rich font of endlessly mockable sex tips. Top quality comedy, that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/14 10:38 PM |
| 2 | Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Wage GapHigh priced male escort? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/14 02:42 PM |
| 10 | BP Men, you have ever worked in a predominantly male work environment?As a lady who's been around "locker room talk," I concur. (Was on the wrestling team for a bit in high school.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/14 02:28 PM |
| 11 | How do gay and asexual women fall under "AWALT"? Are lesbians legitimate?Maxwell's equations Got me there. Well, I guess 1/3 is better than nothing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/14 03:17 PM |
| 3 | Has any of you changed views since coming here?As much as people bash tumblr there's actually a lot of intra-feminist criticism that goes on there. TERFs and other RadFems are pretty widely hated, people get on others' cases for being anti-femininity, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/14 02:53 PM |
| 4 | How do gay and asexual women fall under "AWALT"? Are lesbians legitimate?Explain how straight men should ever be attracted to tomboys! Explain how I should ever think short, shy, guys with long hair are totes the hottest thing ever ! Magnets! How do they work?! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/14 02:27 PM |
| 1 | The "disposability" of menIndeed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/14 10:25 AM |
| 2 | The "disposability" of menI'm sorry you choose to ignore the actual meaning of my words (and of the word 'strawman') and that you think this ridiculously petty little sidebar we're currently engaged in has any value in this discussion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/14 10:22 AM |
| 1 | The "disposability" of menI'm sorry you feel that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/14 10:07 AM |
| 2 | The "disposability" of menIt's not a shift, though I'll cop to unclear phrasing. Let me clarify: Considering how much like property women were treated, I find the claim that men were treated more like property to be completely specious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/14 10:04 AM |
| 8 | The "disposability" of menNothing says "not treated like property" quite like being parcelled out as a literal slave to the people who just slaughtered your family and razed your city. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/14 05:44 AM |
| 3 | Huffington Post Article About CatcallingI would maybe laugh awkwardly to smooth over an uncomfortable social moment, then extricate myself from the situation as soon as possible. I won't deny that it would be significantly less viscerally repulsing than the hobo, but it wouldn't make me happy. I would feel upset that someone I'd liked/mentally invested in as "fave hot guy" had humiliated me in public like that, and it would take a lot of the gloss off of meeting that guy. I don't know why it's so hard to understand that the behavior i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/14 11:47 AM |
| -1 | Question for BPers: Is it ok to not want to commit to a woman with a lot of sexual partners?It is so mindblowing how you guys ignore what I write and claim I'm talking about "alphas" or "high smv" men when I talk about "sex worth having." I am not. Here! I'll quote myself because reading is super hard or something: Sex worth having means, basically, minimally enjoyable sex, that is fulfilling in some way even if only physically, even if only a little. Just an experience that was worth leaving your house (or picking up the phone) to get. The kind of sex people talk about in these things… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/14 01:03 AM |
| 1 | Are Western Men the Best?It depends. As you say, even if I'm not in the mood to masturbate, If I play with my clit it will feel pleasurable. BUUUT. I'm not going to automatically get wet from that, if there's nothing else going on to turn me on. So, if a guy stimulated my clit nicely, I would enjoy that, even starting cold, but if I wasn't turned on, fuck no, I would not enjoy being penetrated. Not only would I "feel nothing" pleasurable, but it would probably really hurt. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/14 06:59 PM |
| 0 | Question for BPers: Is it ok to not want to commit to a woman with a lot of sexual partners?For fucks sake how many times are you going to pretend that I denied there was unequal access to sex. Whenever you want to get around to addressing my actual point I'll be here, but please stop lying about what I said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/14 03:45 PM |
| 2 | Question for BPers: Is it ok to not want to commit to a woman with a lot of sexual partners?Nooo, I'm not. You're assuming that. Sex worth having means, basically, minimally enjoyable sex, that is fulfilling in some way even if only physically, even if only a little. Just an experience that was worth leaving your house (or picking up the phone) to get. If the kind of practices RP espouses re: sex are representative of "alpha," I'd imagine that "sex with alphas" encompasses a lot of miserable, unpleasant sexual experiences that fall distinctly outside of "sex worth having" I never claim… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/14 03:30 PM |
| 0 | Question for BPers: Is it ok to not want to commit to a woman with a lot of sexual partners?And this is why I don't like RP. You repeat this statement as if it actually means something. Let's replace 'sex' with 'sex worth having.' We should do this because the entire statement is already based on the hidden assumption that the sex in question is a valuable/desirable thing that women have access to and men don't. Stating the question as 'Sex worth having' removes the hidden assumption and brings it out into the open. This also allows us to incorporate the perspectives of both sides of t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/14 03:09 PM |
| 3 | Training Women Like DogsSuch as the truth that men are just as clouded by emotional responses and personal desires as women are? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/14 05:12 PM |
| 3 | Training Women Like DogsBingo. OK, then I still have to go back to what I said before, that you can't really evaluate how satisfying a relationship would be for a submissive man since you never really were one. I don't have a problem with you or the women you date having a preferred relationship dynamic, but you can't say that it would be fulfilling for everyone. It would be just as miserable for people who aren't like you as you were miserable before. My parents and many other couples I know are happiest being egalita… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/14 03:24 PM |
| 12 | Training Women Like DogsWhat I don't get is why we get long posts about "Training women like dogs" or "Dread Game" that are filled with gross and demeaning assumptions and attitudes, and then, when someone points this out, someone else comes in like you're doing now, to pretend that the only thing being advocating is the basic healthy boundary-setting that everyone does. No one thinks men shouldn't have boundaries or enforce them. Doing that is an essential skill for both genders in a relationship. But you don't need t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/14 02:48 PM |
| 7 | Training Women Like DogsThere is 50/50, I see it all the time. My parents had a wonderful, loving, and, yes, sexually active egalitarian relationship, until death did they part. Secondly, clarify: Were you a submissive man in that you genuinely find your own satisfaction in being submissive, or were you merely behaving submissively and later discovered that you find your own satisfaction in being dominant? Or were you not really "submissive" as a sexual/relationship preference at all, and just a garden-variety doormat … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/14 02:40 PM |
| 7 | Training Women Like DogsI agree, but the original context was obedience, which was that women were to be submissive. It's my opinion that if every relationship had a submissive woman, dominant man, relationships in general would be much more fulfilling. I've been on both sides of the grass, so I'm speaking from personal experience. Yeah, but you are by your own admission a dominant man. How can you possibly objectively evaluate how satisfying such a relationship would be for a submissive man or a non-submissive woman? … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/14 02:12 PM |
| 3 | Training Women Like DogsMen and women experience love differently. For women to love men, a condition must be met that she holds respect to him. The same is not true for men. So you say. Maybe he thinks he loves her in the absence of respect, but it's not a healthy, true kind of love. I'm willing to agree that a man might subjectively perceive himself to love a woman he doesn't respect, and even claim to do so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/14 02:07 PM |
| 3 | Training Women Like DogsShe has a fetish for domestic discipline. That's cool. but not everyone does. Among kinks, I'd guess it's fairly popular but it's still pretty damn niche if you're trying to take everyone into account and give general advice about relationships and human beings. And outside of the kink, of course, the implication in your post that wives ought to obey or defer to you, the man, in general, as a matter of course in a relationship, is still pretty gross. In the context where you, as a man, normally … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/14 01:59 PM |
| 3 | Training Women Like DogsSure, but she doesn't have to respect-you-as-in-superior-officer respect you, she can just give you the basic respect due an equal human being, the same kind of respect you should be giving her. And in that case, the converse is equally true: If your husband doesn't respect you, he doesn't love you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/14 01:42 PM |
| 13 | Training Women Like DogsAre you sure you're in the right thread? Positive. Although I'm not sure there's much value in engaging with you if you're disingenuous enough to pretend to be unaware of the what kind of relative valuation is implied by comparing women to dogs, saying they ought to obey men, and that they don't know what's best for themselves (but men do!) . To give a serious answer to your sarcastic derail: If you like that kind of thing, that's fine for you but enjoying a personal kink and characterizing that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/14 01:37 PM |
| 18 | Training Women Like DogsFlip this around to: Understanding a woman's body language Understanding women for what they say Basic obedience for your wife Wife activities Now does it really sound so bad? Yyyyyyeah, it sounds pretty horrible. It treats women as some distinctly lesser "other." Not only that but an inferior other that must also be controlled. "basic obedience for your wife" ::shudder:: This honestly reminds me of shit I've read from the first half of the 20th century about the essential qualities of negroes a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/14 01:00 PM |
| 2 | I'm a man living with a woman who "friend-zoned" me, I love it because we're best friends.Yeah, I mean friends of any gender really care about their friends, best or otherwise, and don't vampire off of them. There are unpleasant and selfish people of both genders who do that, but the majority I've seen don't treat their friends like that, no matter what the gender arrangement is. I'm sorry you're in such a toxic environment that you've never seen otherwise, but your unfortunate experiences don't change the fact that women are capable of genuine friendships with men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/14 12:47 PM |
| 2 | I'm a man living with a woman who "friend-zoned" me, I love it because we're best friends.It's a valid question, but it's also an empty and trivial question which only make sense if you already accept the baseless assumption that female company is somehow worthless just because it is female company. And the answer is: The exact same things they do for their platonic female friends, which are coincidentally also the things that guys do for their platonic friends. Hang out and do fun activities together, talk, laugh, help and be helped with money or time when needed, comfort and be com… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/14 04:18 AM |
| 2 | 'It's not that I distrust her as a person, it's that she's a woman.'If there's concrete reasons for suspicion that go beyond "s/he has different funbits than I do," then we're already beyond the scope of the kind of blanket suspicion that was being discussed and which I was responding to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/14 04:03 AM |
| 1 | I'm a man living with a woman who "friend-zoned" me, I love it because we're best friends.What do friends of any gender do for friends of any other gender? What are you even asking? Like her friendship suddenly has no value just because she's a woman for...reasons, I guess. You haven't said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/14 03:59 AM |
| 2 | This is what a moderate, sane version of RP would look likeAlso more accurate, for a lot of the things RP tries to apply evo-psych to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/14 02:24 PM |
| 3 | 'It's not that I distrust her as a person, it's that she's a woman.'No one is saying they don't have secrets, just that they (and everyone else) should be allowed to* keep* their secrets. If you can't trust someone not to have damaging secrets, you need to not be in a relationship with them. If I ever find myself contemplating a keylogger that's my cue to break up with whoever it is and save myself the trouble. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/14 11:10 AM |
| 1 | The ideal wife and 'divorce-rape'What's cute is how you're not even going to acknowledge your abysmal grasp of biology in that last post? Just letting it drop. Adorable. I know they would have made it, as I said they made a lot of sacrifices and were working hard. I have no doubt other people benefit from the social safety net however, and that's what it's there for, to keep people from failing when life happens, until they can get back on their feet. I myself just pulled two months of unemployment earlier this year after I los… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/14 03:33 AM |
| 2 | The ideal wife and 'divorce-rape'A child's blood type won't necessarily be donor-compatible with both parents. What are you even talking about? There are many cases in which blood from the mother would, in fact, be useless or lethal to a child who needed a transfusion. Your grasp of biology is comical. And obviously it's not just blood, since you need everything spelled out to you, but marrow and plasma, and organs as well. The law says that you get to make your own decisions about what to do with your body, whether or not your… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/14 03:13 AM |
| 2 | The ideal wife and 'divorce-rape'A man had his say in the matter when he decided not to wear a condom. An now he has responsibility for that choice... It's not a double standard. He has a say in conception because he's actively participating in conception. He has no say in pregnancy because, YES, IT IS LITERALLY NOT HIS BODY. It's fucking grotesque to suggest that a guy ought to have some overriding power to make choices about another person's body. How would you like it if your girlfriend got to decide whether and what kind of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/14 02:42 AM |
| 3 | When a man is only attracted to other men, it's OK because "homosexuality is not a choice." But what about men who are only attracted to young women?He's an incubus, he's feeding on their life energy to increase his own. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/14 08:00 AM |
| 10 | The ideal wife and 'divorce-rape'I'm not even being sarcastic, but "not challenging authority/abandoning self respect" seems to be what RPers just expect women to do as a matter of course, while claiming that makes for a a great partnership. Soooo, why the derision for the flip side? If everyone is happy with their role in the relationship, and they have a strong relationship, what, actually is wrong with it, just because the Captain happens to be a woman and the First Mate a man? Supposedly this is a viable relationship model.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/14 07:55 AM |
| 3 | BP women, would you marry a 4'11" potbellied, high school dropout who works as a cashier at McDonalds and doesn't own a car if he was a "really nice guy?"I might, if he had some other good qualities in addition to being nice. "Nice guy" is baseline. It's expected. You don't get extra points for being a decent human being, it just means you don't get docked points for being an asshole. What other positive qualities does this guy have? Do we share hobbies? Is he fun to talk to? Are our goals in life compatible? Niceness is necessary but not sufficient. I actually prefer guys to be my height or shorter, personally, so the height wouldn't bother me. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/14 03:14 AM |
| 3 | Are women willing to have STEM careers, but not able? Are they able, but not willing?You know that it is reliably shown that people interact with and socialize babies drastically differently depending on whether researchers dress the baby in pink or blue? However old the babies in your study were, it's not as if they existed in some pristine bubble outside of socialization. They've been soaking in the same gender-differentiated messages since birth. All other things are not and cannot be equal in such an environment, unless you are testing literal newborns and then only for a sm… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/14 06:58 AM |
| 3 | Do women have a different communication style that limits/prevents agency?I don't know how gendered this really is? It might just be a perception/labeling problem. eg. how a conversation with 50% female participation is perceived as a conversation dominated by women, or how "gossip" isn't called "gossip" when men do it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/14 05:45 AM |
| 12 | TRP doesn't advocate for rape, except when it does."What you do when you're being raped" is actually, freeze up for a majority of people, especially when "no" has already been ignored and attempts to physically push off your attacker haven't worked. Why keep saying "no" when it isn't working? Why keep physically fighting when it isn't working and you literally have no chance because of the power differential? If someone locks me in a jail cell, the fact that I don't continually scream and bang my hands on the bars ins't an indication that I want… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/14 03:28 AM |
| 2 | Reframing question: when people on redpill make statements that are consistent with abusers/psychopathic spectrum, do you notice?Exactly, people who do shitty things to other people are responsible for that, and for the consequences/damage they cause to those others through those actions. They aren't excused somehow just because their actions benefited themselves. I'm glad we agree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/14 11:45 AM |
| 2 | Reframing question: when people on redpill make statements that are consistent with abusers/psychopathic spectrum, do you notice?No one enjoys getting scammed either but that kind of thing has a pretty high success rate. It "works," in the sense that it gets the scammer what the scammer wants, which it seems is the only sense TRP cares about when it comes to these things. Something "working" is irrelevant to how it is experienced by it's targets/victims or it's long term consequences for targets/victims. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/14 05:02 AM |
| 1 | Does More/Better Communication in Relationships 'Work'?Eh, I could have done without the drama at the end, but overall, not really. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/14 04:47 AM |
| 3 | Does More/Better Communication in Relationships 'Work'?1) You didn't address my actual point, which is that the non verbal communication you reference isn't reliably communicating important information (which could be communicated effectively through verbal communication), a fact which may be causing or contributing to some of their problems. The first and foremost point of communication is to diagnose the actual problem. You don't jump right into hashing out a logistical compromise without that, if you want it to be effective. If his actions are no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/14 04:43 AM |
| 4 | Does More/Better Communication in Relationships 'Work'?Yes, but... Did he think he was communicating interest in her when he was really communicating interest in sex? Did she think she was communicating temporary disinterest in sex, when she was really communicating was semi-permanent disinterest in him? IDK. I think some verbal communication could clear up a few important bits of the communication that did take place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/14 05:47 PM |
| 3 | Does More/Better Communication in Relationships 'Work'?Nah, I've met that man. Dated him for a few months. He lives in Canada. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/14 04:49 PM |
| 11 | How would Western society break down if both sexes were treated exactly equally?Yeah, Japan is definitely a more patriarchal, gender-traditionalist society than the west, and that's what I see. It's not horribly backwards and oppressed or anything, and it's certainly progressing towards a more egalitarian situation but attitudes towards gender roles are definitely more conservative/traditionalist than they generally are in the west, and I don't know what you're looking at if you're trying to suggest otherwise. Like, have you been reading too many puff pieces about "herbivor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/14 03:00 PM |
| 12 | How would Western society break down if both sexes were treated exactly equally?And I said "here." As in "here and now" Japan. As in right outside my fucking window, Japan. And I want to know what Japan you're talking about because it's not this one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/14 01:25 PM |
| 13 | How would Western society break down if both sexes were treated exactly equally?What modern day Japan are you looking at? They're still pret-ty traditional/regressive about gender roles/values over here. IDK where you're getting that but it's pretty divorced from reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/14 12:40 PM |
| 1 | I am not interesting enough to have an AMA, can we have an open thread instead?Errands Errands Errands. Went to the town office, found out getting some tax documentation is not going to be simple like I naively thought it was going to be. Because I moved, so I need to mail forms off to my former municipality because somehow it's 2014 and this stuff isn't all connected yet. Transferred some money between banks to pay off bills. Went over my monthly limit and got the standard call asking me to confirm that I'm not secretly funneling money to North Korea or something. Got the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/14 04:06 AM |
| 2 | BPers, I think a 42 year old man dating a 20 year old man is really gross. What do you think?I generally think it's a mistake for all genders esp. when the younger partner is so young and likely to lack the kind of experience that would protect them from being willing to put up with a lot of sketchy bullshit. I have nothing against May-December in principle, especially if it genuinely "just happened," but I feel like the kind of person who actively seeks out someone that young* and that much younger than themselves is probably immature themselves and has issues that are likely to make a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/14 03:51 AM |
| 2 | Question for women: Do you support the notion of more honesty and transparency in society in order to help men make better decisions? If not why not?Theres the unspoken (and faulty ) premise behind this seemingly innocuous question. Say, isn't it a wee bit deceptive to bury than lede like that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/14 03:46 AM |
| 1 | Saw this article.. What does PPD think? "The unspoken reason why men cheat?"And I've talked to men about this stuff. It's not like they're not imagining things about the photo, either, even if the things they're imagining are pretty fucking simplistic, generally speaking. No one, male or female is looking at pictures with a zen-like blank mind, so it seems weird to make that some kind of requirement for it to "count" as masturbating to a picture. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/14 02:30 AM |
| 1 | Saw this article.. What does PPD think? "The unspoken reason why men cheat?"But construing things that narrowly makes the whole question kind of meaningless and gotcha-y. If you* mean anatomy shots, then yeah, you're probably excluding most women, but it seems like you're doing so deliberately and arbitrarily, when so many women do enjoy pictures, including anatomy shots, and anatomy shots themselves are a minority even among available male-oriented porn. *general you | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/14 02:27 AM |
| 1 | [Rant]I feel like a poor feminist because of my sexual fetishes...Having a desire for something isn't a big deal, and also isn't dumb. Yes, but I didn't say "desire" I said "expectation." It's not a big deal or dumb for me to desire a winning lottery ticket, but It would be dumb to expect that I will ever find one, and even dumber to pin my happiness to that expectation. If her desire is for the guy to take the lead, she can't really just tell him. Sure she can. And if they talked he might be happy to accommodate her. Cause in truth she doesn't necessarily wan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/14 02:41 PM |
| 3 | Saw this article.. What does PPD think? "The unspoken reason why men cheat?"And I've noticed that any and all differences between the genders is 100% written-in-stone biological truth according to most RP'ers, with the exception of... hmm...erm...huh. I think when some people hear "social construct" or "influenced by society" their brain immediately and erroneously translates that into "not real." When people say something is culturally determined they aren't saying it is any less valid or real or not an accurate fact about reality. I never understood why this is so con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/14 02:30 PM |
| 1 | [Rant]I feel like a poor feminist because of my sexual fetishes...It's dumb to expect that you can or will "click" with just anyone. Sometimes you don't click. Most of the time people won't be able to tell everything about their partner unless the partner communicates the desire in question. There's nothing wrong with that. If your notion of romance requires near-telepathic levels of "clicking" then yes, it's childish, and you're probably going to have less success than you would if you talked like an adult. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/14 01:03 PM |
| 1 | Can we try this question again please? "How are women not the gatekeepers of sex?"Yes I know that's what he's going for, and if you'll read the quote I suggested to him I think you'll find that it gets that across much better than the way he phrased it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/14 11:46 AM |
| 4 | Can we try this question again please? "How are women not the gatekeepers of sex?"Except everyone manifestly isn't born rich, and everyone manifestly does get to decide whether or not to have sex with the people who want to have sex with them. Perhaps you meant to say something more along the lines of, "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/14 10:05 AM |
| 1 | I am a Purple Pill Lady! AMA!What is up with the ice bath at the sauna?! Like, I don't even want to splash myself with that shit but some people will just go in there and sit??? They just sit! In icy water for long periods of time! Why would you? Do you have any insights on this mystery? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/14 02:12 AM |
| 1 | RP: What are your definitions of love and respect?Yes OK, sure. I don't really care to split semantic hairs with you so the original question still stands. I'll rephrase it so it's more palatable for you. Yes or No: Is it possible that what this person says about themselves is an accurate description of their own desires and how those desires actually manifest in her daily life? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/14 11:54 PM |
| 3 | RP: What are your definitions of love and respect?Yeah, but, no. The actual fact is that you are not aware of her, or anything about her, what her emotional needs are, and you are not in a position to judge whether her description of herself is accurate or not. Despite this, you have decided a-priori that she must be wrong, simply because what she is saying doesn't jive with your worldview. And you want to talk about her suffering from cognitive dissonance? Hello, selection bias, plus a healthy serving of Dunning-Kruger. Yes or No: It is possib… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/14 08:26 AM |
| 2 | RP: What are your definitions of love and respect?1) Don't move the goalposts. We have been speaking of establishing initial trust. By the time the first act of violence happens, the abuser has typically already established trust, by treating the victim with kindness and respect in the beginning of the relationship and only slowly introducing abusive elements. Certainly already-established trust is not going to get broken by one uncharacteristic action by someone you love. Then, by the time the trust has been completely broken the victim is tra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/14 08:06 AM |
| 1 | RP: What are your definitions of love and respect?"We" humans do not, as a rule. You're making some pretty sweeping generalizations that don't really apply at all wide swaths of people. I don't deny that there may be some people who are awed by status*, but it is not overwhelmingly common or general to humans as you're implying. Especially if you're talking about relationships/putting yourself in a vulnerable position with someone, that person not respecting you is a pretty huge barrier to trust. Hell, even in working situations, high status do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/14 06:32 AM |
| 4 | Why do you wear makeup?I wear makeup to job interviews and special occasions. Nowhere else, really. My mom never let me wear it as a kid/teen so I only learned to apply it myself like, last year (for cosplay purposes, natch..and I still can't do eyeliner). Before that, I'd have it done for me at a salon when I needed it for special occasions which happened very rarely. It's been a non-issue in my life so long I haven't seen any compelling reason to introduce it. It seems pointless to start after being fine without it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/14 03:46 AM |
| 2 | RP: What are your definitions of love and respect?Plenty of people have tried it out, and discovered that it's difficult or impossible to trust someone who doesn't respect you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/14 01:15 AM |
| 8 | 17 yr. old male teen charged after sexting with 15 yr. old female. Prosecution wants to force an erection by injection to obtain evidence of child pornography. Female isn't charged. What say you PPD?This crazy hand wringing about kids and anything sex has been going on for a long time, and yes, girls have* been charged with production/distribution too in these cases. A minor saving grace is least two of those links I linked only involve people (of either gender) being charged in cases of non-consensual distribution (eg. retaliatory distribution of an ex's pic), which I can actually get behind there being a penalty for that, because of the amount of harm it causes. Whether it should be a chi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/14 08:53 AM |
| 3 | If a woman took the red pill, how would it change her outlook on life?Annd since I'm apparently not going to do my work, how about a comment that actually contributes to the discussion? 1) Most people, attractive or not, understand that how we behave towards others has everything to do with morality, no matter what motivations (sexual desire) we use to justify that behavior. And, to the extent that you are using Political Correctness as code for "not being an asshole to other people," everything to do with that, as well. 2) If you're talking about friends, then fe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/14 10:55 AM |
| 1 | If a woman took the red pill, how would it change her outlook on life?Okies, I can agree with that, in that case. As long as the view isn't that submission is the necessary/natural expression of respect. I'm more or less fine with this stuff as long as it isn't being prescribed as how things are or should be for everyone, even if my personal preference is for egalitarian relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/14 09:43 AM |
| 1 | If a woman took the red pill, how would it change her outlook on life?What color is the sky in your world? :/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/14 09:41 AM |
| 6 | If a woman took the red pill, how would it change her outlook on life?Sure, as long as we're talking about experiences, I'll take your challenge. My parents had an equal relationship. They loved each other completely, only very rarely fought, and had an active sex life until their late 50s (Can confirm. The walls, they were too thin sometimes, and I too light a sleeper.) They both worked fulltime, though my mother made more. They both cooked, and my dad still sends me homemade cookies at Christmastime. They both cleaned, etc. My mom did the money stuff because my … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/14 07:44 AM |
| 6 | If a woman took the red pill, how would it change her outlook on life?Framing this as an issue of respect has always struck me as wrong. I've heard phrases like this for a long time, first from pastors and later from RPers and such. Let's not pretend it's just some question about how much a person "respects" their partner. Someone can deeply respect and fully appreciate a partner without being the least bit willing to suborn themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/14 06:21 AM |
| 11 | If you metaphorically swallowed the other pill, how do you think your life would be different?I surmise it would be, day-to-day, pretty similar to what my childhood-early adult years living at home were like. I'd be walking on eggshells, living with a man who thought he should be in-charge and unquestioned, no matter how manifestly incorrect his decision were or how completely clueless he was about the thing he was making decisions about. He'd tell me to do stupid pointless shit just to see if I would obey, and when I didn't there would be Consequences(tm) Terrifying rages, my property g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/14 02:40 PM |
| 2 | Why Is "Dread Game" Such A Hot Button?No, but if you're going to go you should just fucking go. Or you should have a frank, direct conversation about how you will be going if certain things don't improve, no hard feelings, and then stick to it. (What establishing and enforcing boundaries actually looks like.) OTOH hovering around passive-aggressively insinuating that you might leave, for no established reason, with the deliberate intention of making your partner anxious is shitty, and insecure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/14 01:32 PM |
| 1 | Bro Out Thread for Debates and StuffThe one other dude in the common room right now is playing One OK ROCK off of YouTube, so I guess, that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/14 08:47 AM |
| 2 | What does the world look like to TBP subscribers?You see that switch you just pulled? Merely saying a two parent family is ideal is indeed reasonable, but I don't think you mean merely a two-parent family, so much as you mean two parents....AND a whole bunch of extra, optional gender essentialism freighted on top. I'm sure plenty of TBP people would agree that two parents are ideal for raising children, but reject for good reason the notion that the two parents in question need to conform to traditional gender roles or even be a heterosexual p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/14 03:36 PM |
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