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If I listened to internet people, I wouldn’t have ever started saving for plastic surgery and would genuinely forever be too ugly for love.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:05 AM
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Ok then we need to get this whole subreddit together to help pay for my jaw surgery, jaw implants, cheekbone implants and nose job.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:02 AM
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If dream looked like this he wouldn’t have been clowned on by the internet ngl. Brutal world. At least he’s rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:00 AM
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Breaking my face apart and putting it back together but in a better position and shoving in some titanium implants. Maybe a rhinoplasty too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:57 AM
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Many chads are local but even still most don’t look like the guy on the right. I mean if he’s getting some good for him I’m not hating. But I know many overweight guys and they don’t really clean up generally speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:56 AM
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It’s over tiwn
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:51 AM
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I know I was just addressing a commonly said sentiment. Attractiveness is somewhat subjective. It feels wrong calling it subjective, especially when so many people tend to agree. It’s like saying something is on sale for 2%.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:48 AM
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Everyone prefers attractive partners. Regardless of gender norms or anything similar. From time to time I’ll see people say that liberal women for example don’t care about being with conventionally attractive men because of “challenging gender norms” but really the truth is they at most just prefer pretty boys over the archetypal “chad”. Same sky different time. People want attractive people. No matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:47 AM
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Reading all these replies realizing I’m nowhere near anyone’s type ty for this twin I’m gonna blow my shit smoove off ✌️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:34 AM
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That’s why I severely doubt the “everyone is someone’s type” or “attractiveness is subjective”. I think that stuff is largely overstated.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:31 AM
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Low set cheekbones are bruuuuutal. I have the same issue. But mine are paired with a wide asf face too. It makes it so even when lean my face looks like a blob. Shit is terrible. Literally 0 appeal whatsoever. I’m going to need DJS and maybe some sort of wraparound implant I don’t even know.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:30 AM
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This is why you can best determine your league by seeing who you can pull and how they act with you IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:23 AM
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I’m pretty sure men tend to overrate themselves. But I don’t know how great the effect is. I think generally people are able to tell where they fall in the totem pole with decent accuracy, especially if they are being genuinely honest with themselves. People shit on clav but he looks better than he did before. It’s undeniable. Is he woman’s ideal man? Maybe not. But he’s closer than he was prior to “looksmaxxing” I think some guys have trouble telling what women find attractive but I think gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:22 AM
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People are into different things but there are commonalities between most people. Some features are more popular than others. That’s why some people are considered attractive and some are widely considered unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:05 AM
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It can potentially create the impression, depending on the woman: Shy + hot = mysterious Shy + ugly = weird And many other such examples. It’s not really an expectation necessarily. But generally most women would want the social skills and the looks as a package deal. They don’t want to compromise on either. Women who don’t mind (or at least act like they don’t mind) high status guys being ugly is due to status also meaning wealth. Something that means a lot to certain women (I.e. gold diggers).…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 02:35 AM
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1 also creates the impression of #2 though (people expect leaders to be tall/attractive/muscular). And a lack of #1 can degrade #2s impact. Also when women were taken from their tribe it wasn’t consensual anyway, so her ability to fall in love with a new guy probably wouldn’t have mattered as it wasn’t really a choice. As for women cheating with less attractive men, it happens sure but I think it’s just chance. An unlikely one at that I’d think. If one considers cheating to be a one night stand,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 08:38 PM
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Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 11:47 PM
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Even still, it’s not that women care less it’s that they need other things alongside looks. Doesn’t mean looks is less important, just means other things also are. Men want attractive women. Women want attractive men + emotional connection. Also this all assumes a more handsome face cannot help facilitate an emotional connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 11:46 PM
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Yeah I think men and women’s sexuality differs a bit on average, but I think the difference is definitely overstated generally. Still an interesting post though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 11:40 PM
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She definitely has to “approve” of the man’s looks at first though at the very least. It’s not like women want to be with ugly men for example. Women I think experience this “initial attraction” differently than men but it applies in some sense of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 11:38 PM
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I agree. I’d say womens attraction is less likely to be on sight. And less likely to be related to physical arousal. But there’s some variance of course. I think this is why people say “women don’t care about looks as much” or “women aren’t visual”. However that’s incorrect, as that’s not what this all actually means. Women care about looks just as much as men, they just “experience it differently” But I should mention: I think men and women don’t differ all that much by and large. Just small th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 11:33 PM
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1.Be attractive and 2. have good social skills. Really all it comes down to for both men and women. As for what matters more, I think they are more or less equal imo. But anyway trying to determine what’s most important doesn’t matter as they are both important and necessary factors .
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 11:23 PM
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I mean it’s safe to say that an ugly guy who’s desperate is much more willing to settle down than a hot guy. Of course it’s up to the individual but it’s not typically the ugly guys who are the ones having casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 04:27 AM
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Most men are attractive really? That’s not a popular opinion among women from what I’ve heard and seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 04:25 AM
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Most women prefer to date attractive men. But I’m not saying your lying wrt your personal experiences or anything. I just disagree on the whole if that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:09 PM
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Face matters more than height tbh. Unless he’s like approaching 5’ or something. But anyway I say 6s can happen but it depends on the location because that’s simply how it is in smaller towns only so many people to go around.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:50 PM
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6s i could see. I suppose it depends a bit on area though. Maybe less so in a big city.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:33 PM
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I would argue that’s close enough to top tier. I think he’s more so talking about women who are closer to average. But at some point you could be considered either or I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:02 PM
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If you mean consciously make that decision then yes I agree, as that’s settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:00 PM
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Well ultimately it has to be that way, there’s only so many chads to go around. People settle. It’s either that or be alone forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:59 PM
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Interesting so your like a demisexual with men and not with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:58 PM
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Just a guy with an attractive face more or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:57 PM
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It’s interesting you say that because the ugly men I know actually tend to have way less female friends:male friends compared to average and attractive guys I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:56 PM
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“Below the top tier” is the key here. Also I would say that not committing doesn’t mean not having morals. Unless you’re purposefully stringing someone along.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:54 PM
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He said a women below the top tier, aka non attractive women. And I think the post is just addressing the ones who do sleep around. But even then, most people date within their league. Hence the “below the top tier”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:53 PM
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Chad is more or less a dude with a really good looking face. An attractive guy. I think there’s more nuance to this post but the general idea of “a guy who has options doesn’t have to commit” makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:51 PM
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People need to search for what they want at the end of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 06:05 PM
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I’d say personality matters in hookups but it’s very diminished. I agree though with dating in general, being hot and not saying the wrong thing is essentially the key. Of course if you’re unattractive, there are no right words you can say. Your fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:32 PM
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I don’t disagree but you can’t discount looks. Charming and outgoing don’t mean much if you’re ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:28 PM
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Well I guess for simply just a relationship then really what would be more appropriate would be “not ugly” instead of “physically attractive”.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:42 AM
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I like to tell people that looks and personality both are important, however there’s some things one can get you the other won’t. This is one thing looks can get you that personality won’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:48 PM
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he’s sure not the testosterone hunk of my youth He sure isn’t. Brutal. But that’s just part of growing up. You realize most people don’t get to live their dream life, and that includes relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:44 PM
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Well I was mostly referring to discussion around looks and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:37 PM
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We have our ups and downs but we trend upwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 07:14 PM
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I don’t disagree with that, times now especially are very fucked. But if you can do more, if you are someone with loads of extra cash, it pays dividends in dating. To be honest though I’d rather just be hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 07:14 PM
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Right but her overall message is just “enough to support yourself/family”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 07:03 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/dating/s/glukSix1kD In this thread I found the consensus is “just support yourself”.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:53 PM
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I spend some time on there and seen some of your ratings I’m pretty sure lol. It’s impressive shit you’ve got an eye for it. I’m glad we have places like that too, they really push the needle when it comes to normalizing those types of discussions. Do you do surgery advice btw?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:36 PM
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Not on ppd usually. More normie types. Think r/dating Yeah not many people have disposable income, but if you do it’s a boon. It pays to be the “guy with a boat”.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:33 PM
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Bluepill works well if you’re already physically attractive. But at that point it’s highly unlikely you were struggling to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:28 PM
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There are people out there who say it doesn’t matter and you just have to “be yourself”. And to be more specific, when we say “money” we mean a shit ton of disposable income not just a good job ykwim.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:25 PM
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Yeah I was going to say Redpill is pretty surprisingly mainstream already. Even on the most normie sites, hell even IRL, there are people who talk about how money and status (but usually it’s about money) matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:11 PM
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This is the big question in dating isn’t it. The man asks: does she really like me or did she settle for who would commit? The woman asks: does he really like me or did he just take whoever gave him a chance? Both are valid questions. Everyone wants a partner who they find attractive who finds them attractive, but not everyone gets what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:08 PM
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lol hopefully not
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:03 PM
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I think society is trending towards being more honest and pragmatic about how much looks matter. One day I’d hope people could talk about this stuff bluntly and openly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:01 PM
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It’s like the go to insults for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:59 PM
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They will I agree but I don’t think it’s preferred. But to be completely honest the happiest couples I know the man is somewhat better looking than the woman. There is something to it. Also we got to ask to what extent hot is relative, because for many it is not very relative. There are many people out where (women or otherwise) who prefer those well out of what is within their league or near it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 09:37 PM
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I think those are all solid indicators lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 09:27 PM
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Hot is relative to some extent, true. But even in those cases most people, men included, don’t want to date down. Unless it’s a super casual thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:56 PM
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That’s the thing, many people will fight the idea of the necessity of compromises. People will say “attraction is totally subjective” for example. The reality is leagues are very real and most people have to work within them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:12 PM
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Good point, but just because people are on the same league doesn’t necessarily mean they are attracted to each other as well. Yeah attractive men don’t have to commit at all. Another thing is that they are somewhat rare, meaning they are a hot commodity that is hard to catch AND find.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:08 PM
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I was really referring to socialization when I was talking about too much internet time but your right finding places to meet women is another big barrier. Something something lack of third places.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:08 AM
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Of course but you need a reason to trust, and a lack of reasons to not trust them. What reasons/behaviors should I watch out for when building that trust?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:06 AM
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Therapy can help someone with anger issues or other social issues though. And it can help improve ones social skills potentially (though that’s mostly exposure therapy). You dont need to be the opposite of a passive person, just be able to act when it matters. You’re right about the personality thing though, I changed it to include neurodivergent as I feel that’s pretty encompassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:41 AM
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Most dating struggles men face are simply due to the internet (not enough socialization) and women having more agency (women don’t have to marry bad, ugly or ND men) Too much internet -> too little time spent outside and among their peers -> less connections/experience -> dating is harder I think restricting social media/internet usage would probably be beneficial for kids. Women have more agency -> they don’t have to marry ugly, bad or ND men -> many guys get left behind if you don’t have the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:26 AM
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I have the same feeling. Many people are not honest about it, which is understandable (and maybe preferred), but your right most relationships are not born out of genuine desire. Most people are regular ass people who just don’t want to be alone, and want a partner in crime. So yeah, they settle for less than ideal. They end up with some who’s just kinda “meh” that they like spending time with (or can tolerate at least).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 02:15 AM
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Would you want to be the safe option if it means your partner isn’t actually attracted to you? Your right you shouldn’t constantly compare yourself to your partners previous loves, but that’s not what we are asking in this case. We are more so asking, if I am going out with someone new, how do I know if they truly are attracted to me? What are signs I’m just a “meh” option to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 01:25 AM
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Yeah that’s fair the first paragraph is kinda just how do I get laid (or know if I am going to) but I appreciate the questions being asked in his third one. I think it would benefit many men to be mindful of those sort of questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 01:18 AM
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Of course, I mean it’s still the case where you have a culture of “getting surgery to look better is for women” and many men unironically believe that looking good is just for women. But as the culture shifts more and more we will see more and more men get surgery and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 01:13 AM
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I suppose being fake might look a bit different in a romantic relationship. The first date stuff sure, still I think the general premise is good. Asking “how do I know this is real?” Is a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 12:00 AM
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You’d be surprised to find out that increasingly becoming the case. I mean that’s a big part of this whole looksmaxxing trend that’s going on
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:37 PM
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To be fair in the US we kind of have an obesity problem so the whole “unless she’s hideously overweight” may very well apply here. But even that aside I don’t think it’s that easy for a woman to get a guy she finds attractive. Not one who’s willing to commit anyway, unless she is very attractive herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:33 PM
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I would say women care about looks more or less as much as men tbh. I mean I can’t tell you how many guys I know who’ve had glow ups and their dating lives change like you wouldn’t believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:30 PM
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When he says “safe” he means like a second option (or maybe even last resort). A less than desirable choice that you can fall back on if all else fails
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:28 PM
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He’s not saying guys can’t be physically attractive and safe he meant the difference between being desirable and JUST being the “safe” option (like lack resort) Also I disagree that guys are necessarily immediately discounted if they aren’t found attractive. Many people, especially as they get older, may settle down for reasons others than love. It’s valid to ask “does she really like me” especially if you have some sort of sneaking suspicion to believe so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:27 PM
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Your second paragraph is really good. Well said. When all you hear is “he’s so sweet!” Or “hes a really good guy” it’s a bad thing. Not because those are bad traits, but if that’s all she has to say about you it’s a bad sign lol. If a woman is only complimenting your humor or personality, chances are it’s because that’s all she kinda sort of maybe (not really) likes about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:24 PM
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I think that’s what he’s asking ykwim. How do you know she’s really happy and fulfilled with him? What are some signs she really doesn’t want him and is maybe pretending?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:18 PM
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Good point I should have specified. I guess both bump and size or at least big in size. Big noses aren’t really the ideal for even men. Slightly bigger than average? Sure. But that’s different than like an actually big nose. I doubt your nose is really big big like that if it suits your face ykwim.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:32 AM
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The whole “ big noses on guys are hot” trend you see sometimes on SM is blown out of the water. These posts will blow up but I promise these women do not exist irl lol. (Here I mean big as in from the side including those with a big bump, but this could all probably apply to noses that are big from the front too) What is really meant is “maybe sometimes guys can be attractive with a bigger nose” or maybe “having a slightly bigger than average nose (but not actually big) isn’t that bad” I know a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:10 AM
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Can always wear a hair system, have you looked into one?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:05 PM
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Horse girl? Take that back…….
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:04 PM
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Romantic interest doesn’t have to be genuine just because you’re unattractive. Plenty of other reasons people enter into relationships other than love. Not to mention, the big immediate issue with being unattractive is the lack of interest to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 09:38 PM
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I think a part of it has to do with maintained sexual attraction yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 01:08 AM
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I’m telling you. The solution to incels and the chopped man epidemic and whatever other terminally online dating grievance, is to classify ugliness as a physical disability (which it is) and then allow for procedures that cure it to be subsidized by the government. Fuck it would probably help birth rates too so the gov gets something outta it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 10:53 PM
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Sure but we are talking about marriages that are fulfilling and good and maintain that over long periods of time. That’s a separate thing than just marrying
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 10:50 PM
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Is it necessary? No. But being more attractive will probably increase your odds noticeably.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 10:49 PM
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So there weren’t enough options? Yeah that makes sense. Looks is effort + genetics and style is going to be a part of the effort part.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 10:15 PM
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I guess. But it is a gamble. Desirable people are not very common. Even if you try your whole life your bound to end up single for a very long time (potentially your whole life) if you yourself aren’t genetically blessed
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 10:11 PM
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That’s fair. But what’s the alternative, being alone forever?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:42 PM
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The definition for attractive is narrow because there aren’t many attractive people. Just a question, why not seek out a smart long haired pretty boy? Looks and smarts are not mutually exclusive right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:34 PM
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It doesn’t change anything, I’m just explaining the phenomenon. Many people are too afraid/unwanting to remain alone for a variety of reasons and attractive people are too few and far between this is what results.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:32 PM
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Well there’s only so many attractive people to go around. Many people are necessarily bound to end up in “meh” relationships. I mean, if it was so easy to get someone you really wanted none of this would be an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:56 PM
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Not everyone can date attractive people though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:44 PM
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I think the last paragraph is especially important at understanding this divide. The basis is people (including women) want to sleep with a person more if they are really attracted to them. Issue is, I don’t think many people ultimately end up with someone they are really attracted to though. Mostly because there are only so many attractive people to go around. They are a valued, somewhat rare commodity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:43 PM
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AFBB has a bad rep. People prefer to have sex with attractive people, think of it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:35 PM
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Many relationships throughout history have not been for love. I mean many women effectively had to marry a man to secure a financial future not too long ago. Not to mention loneliness, and societal/familial pressure is real. We can’t assume all relationships/marriages are out of love necessarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:34 PM
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So tl;dr make sure ur wife has high libido and also be born really physically attractive. I would agree. Basically just win the genetic lottery
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:26 PM
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Most people don’t end up in spectacular super loving passionate relationships. Most are just meh. People, to a great degree, really just don’t want to be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:24 PM
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Yeah unfortunately not changing one’s mind is a staple of Internet forums
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 11:59 PM
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Yeah but isn’t that debating?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 10:15 PM
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I think they studied incels and found they have lower standards but I’m not sure. Either way high standards can’t explain the whole incel situation. Inevitably the people you go after have to want you back. It means looks/personality plays a role in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:31 PM
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Doesn’t that mean you just come here to debate the dating of nuances with manosphere guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:27 PM
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Government funded plastic surgery to cure ugliness and intense exposure therapy to cure a lack of socialization.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:19 PM
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I think OP means it’s a matter of probability, chance plays into it. The worse your personality, looks, social ability the higher the odds you are of not finding love.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:17 PM
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I think places like this sub just exist to debate the nuance and specific cultural/social topics. Oftentimes it’s not going to be pretty because it’s just too niche or hard to describe/observe. But people just like yelling at eachother. But your right, if we wanted to talk about dating generally speaking the conversation begins and ends with: “be good looking and have a good personality”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:14 PM
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She’s above average looking undoubtedly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:01 PM
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I think on a macro scale we can observe things and describe them but randomness undeniably plays a role in things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 08:55 PM
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I’ve seen many incels and many of them are below average looking. They don’t typically post face as much as the average looking ones though so people get a skewed view. Part of the incel issue is confidence/neuroticism/neuro-divergence but part of it is inevitably looks as looks undeniably play a role in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 08:50 PM
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It’s funny because if he’s short he might not “learn someday” lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 04:11 PM
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I wouldn’t even call it negativity. Suppose it depends where you’re looking at it from.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 01:45 AM
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I’m pretty sure they’ve done studies and have determined women prefer well above average size but not necessarily ginormous. I think it’s something like 6.5 inches length and 5.5 circumference (not radius lol) So yeah womens preference absolutely is for something big but not maybe as big as some people might think.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 08:52 PM
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No. Unless you’re not attracted to the woman who treats you right.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 08:48 PM
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I don’t think there is such a thing as deserved to be loved. You’re either born with the capacity to be loved (having the looks and personality) or the potential to achieve that capacity or you’re not capable of being loved. Much like some people are born with the talent to become scientists/engineers or your not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 08:44 PM
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Some of them yes absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 05:49 PM
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I feel like a sizable chunk of men I know, at least the ones I really know well, meet those characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:56 AM
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Sure there is, you can like someone’s personality without finding them physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:07 AM
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Really? Don’t get me wrong being high inhib isn’t good, you need to be able to escalate for example. But I think being edgier may have some niche appeal but I think too much is not that great really. Overall being “boring” is fine IMO. Most people are kinda boring. As long as you can talk well then all is well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:07 AM
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Generally speaking charisma would be more related to one actions rather than looks though no?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:59 AM
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I mean charisma can make a difference yes but looks matters just as much. I understand people take in the whole artwork but at the same time we can acknowledge some parts are more important than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:47 AM
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It’s not specific advice no. But ultimately it’s along the lines of what people should pursue. I’m not saying advice can’t be more specific. After all “becoming attractive” might mean losing weight for one guy. Or a nose job for another guy. Or a better haircut for someone else. What I’m saying is that fundamentally those are the two things you should be pursuing
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:39 AM
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Actually your bone structure kind of determines how your eyes look and therefore your gaze. Same with the smile. Also partially determined by bone structure. Also pretty hair is genetics considering many men bald. Your right that your face isn’t looked at in isolation, but it is the sort of “centerpiece” of your looks. I’m not saying men shouldn’t try to improve their looks, but I think we should acknowledge the shortcomings of non-surgical interventions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:37 AM
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Be able to hold a conversation and stuff like that. Don’t be too overly awkward/spergy. Don’t say really out of pocket things. There is plenty of actionable advice yes but it typically all boils down to those two points I mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:25 AM
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Yeah true those play noticeable roles as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:22 AM
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I looked up phrenology and it said it is about analyzing bumps on someone’s head can determine their character. All I’m saying is the face is the most important part of your looks, which isn’t really controversial. I mean it’s the thing we all look at. Also it is true that your bones determine how your face looks to a significant degree. Your bones are what your face’s skin and fat and muscles rest on. Thus ur bones largely determine how your face looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:21 AM
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Yea but it does go the other way around too. Bad looks can ruin a good personality and good looks can make a bad personality better.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:28 AM
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A handsome face absolutely is enough to attract a woman. In fact it’s the most important part. Keeping someone around? That’s a different thing. Looks matter and personality matters, because generally people want to be with attractive people who are pleasant to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 06:50 AM
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Idk just what read and heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 06:23 AM
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No even still I’ve heard that most men aren’t really even maybes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:37 AM
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That’s fair. I was just sharing my thoughts on advice in general online and irl in general ig. A lot of it is cheeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:31 AM
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I think it happens, but I think the rate at which it happens is overstated. I mean if you see 100 couples, the ones who look like they should be together don’t usually leave much of an impression. A ugly guy with an hot woman? Or the other way around? Now that turns heads and leave an impression. I feel like people are just more likely to remember these “SEC couples” than they are most other couples they see. I don’t doubt that this occurs more often in the south than it does in the north (hence…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:29 AM
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it’s not so much about skin or facial muscle so much as it is about bones. Of course good skin is important but for example with training the jaw muscle with chewing gum, if you don’t have good muscle insertions and bone support it will just make your face look big, round and bloated. Edit: didn’t mean to put again, thought this was another conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:29 AM
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It’s sad because I’ve seen this play out in real time. It sometimes ends very very poorly for the both of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:26 AM
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ND absolutely plays a huge role in dating. But looks does too, big time. I know many NT guys who are super social but aren’t that great looking and they struggle a lot. Granted they don’t sperg out about it and start analyzing their face down to the last detail. But they still struggle immensely all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:24 AM
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That’s surprising. Most women I’ve seen said they rarely see men who they find attractive at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:22 AM
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I lived in the south for quite some time (Florida and Georgia mostly) and I didn’t really see this much. (Maybe some people wouldn’t consider Florida the south though lol.) Still most couples were looksmatched. I mean do you really think some average looking guy is beating out a hot tall frat guy for an attractive woman? It’s unlikely. I think the SEC couple thing is blown out of proportion. Majorly. If anything I saw slightly more chubby women with tall fit guys than I did chubby guys with fit …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:21 AM
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Your face is the most important part of your looks and is heavily dependent on your facial bone structure which is largely determined by genetics. Unless you’re advocating for surgery or fillers or something. In which case that’s fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:16 AM
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Yeah see this is the problem. How do you separate the person and their looks? Realistically a balanced take would be to say you need the looks and the personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:15 AM
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I agree with the premise but I think the subjectivity/variance of what people find attractive is overstated. I think there is a lot in common between what people find attractive. However I think a lot of it is very very hard to communicate and define. It mostly has to do with the face though like specific features, ratios, craniofacial development and such. Makes sharing accurate information regarding this topic very difficult. But it’s just easier for people to say “I like chubby guys” even tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:11 AM
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Looksmaxxing typically includes the gym/clothes/etc. Unless by looksmaxxing you specifically mean surgery. As for average men becoming good looking I don’t know. For the most part people are kinda hard-capped by their face. Really just depends on how much they can gain from losing some facial fat in the gym or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:00 AM
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The truth is there are way more unattractive men than women who are attracted to unattractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 01:56 AM
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For getting dates 100% Still while looks are important and necessary you need a personality for people to want to stay around (generally) Truth is lacking either looks or personality will make things shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 01:55 AM
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I’ve been told lots of BS advice by both men and women alike. The only advice that has ever actually mattered: Be physically attractive and don’t act weird. If anyone tells you different they are coping or trying to sell you something.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 01:51 AM
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And?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:44 PM
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Be tall. Have good jawline with defined cheekbones. There’s not much more to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 06:38 AM
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I think you make some good points, especially for ND people. That said I still think working on your looks is important. Personality is important too, but that can be negated a bit by “finding your people” like you said and just being genuinely you. Buuuuuut she’s gotta like the outside for the inside to matter. So that means face and height matter a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:01 PM
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How men fuck up online dating Not tall Not attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:47 PM
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That’s the problem with leagues, they exist. If your towards the bottom of the totem pole, it gets lonely. Not even other low pegs on the hierarchy want you. As for the guys I know they tried a lot of it. In person, online, etc. Really you can look everywhere, doesn’t change the fact that if your ugly, your not romantically desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:40 PM
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Looks can be a source of confidence but it’s not the only source. However the fact of the matter is though you need more than confidence to get laid. Confidence, and really personality, don’t matter without the looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:41 PM
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Both personality and looks are important, you need both. But I think in order to not be immediately dismissed you gotta be better than average as a man (typically anyway). Not saying you gotta be a 10/10 but better than average.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:33 PM
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I think women’s looks threshold is lower in person but I think that’s more so because many dating apps are kinda for sex. So naturally all people care about are looks for that. People are willing to settle for less than ideal looks for things like personality in LTRs. That and the fact men heavily outnumber women on dating apps so women don’t have to go for as less attractive men. They can choose their “physical ideal” because they often have the leverage on these apps. Off the apps it’s a more …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:30 PM
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Exactly why you need the looks AND personality. If you’re ugly no doors open for you. If you’re autistic those open doors will close.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:10 PM
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Looks and personality are both important in their own way. Lack either and your dating life will be shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 05:20 PM
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There’s more but what it boils down to is looks (face + height) and your personality which is how you are as a person, broadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 07:17 PM
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Well that’s the thing you aren’t sure what he wants. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is often looked over. You get this grand chance and suddenly you are willing to take that risk even if you’re skeptical. Men wanting sex with you isn’t precious, but that changes a bit when it’s an attractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 07:16 PM
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Well that’s what I mean not all incels have a loser mindset. As for solutions I mean if they have good bones and can lose weight sure there is potential solutions. Otherwise it’s kinda fucked if you weren’t born with that potential. And most people want love and relationships. It’s like a rich man telling a poor man money ain’t everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 07:14 PM
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What do you mean “a good reason”?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 07:06 PM
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Your basically saying vibe is looks + personality. I’m saying those are the things that matter. Looks = primarily face and height. With small, minor factors being things like style/clothes/physique. Personality = social skills, hobbies, how you interact/react to certain people/situations etc. Both are important. Lack either and your chances of love are fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 02:54 PM
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A less attractive woman doesn’t often get chances with an attractive guy, especially off of dating apps. Would she be skeptical? Sure, but someone who’s way hotter than you showing interest, especially when most overlook you, is a big opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 02:51 PM
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A less attractive women would be more distrustful of an attractive guy approaching her (because of the looks difference) but also more open, due to his looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 02:41 PM
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And yet, still involuntarily celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 02:33 PM
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Lipstick on a pig. Nice style/clothes is great but it’s not the clothes that makes the man but the man that makes the clothes in my experience. Height matters but I think not as much as face. And I’m not saying personality doesn’t matter, I would say it’s one of the two most important factors when it comes to love/dating. The other important thing being looks (primarily height and face). I just think both are necessary and important in their own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 02:32 PM
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It’s not about being fit, it’s about your face and height. Physique means nothing next to your facial attractiveness and height. Women already don’t select for physique, not that they don’t care about looks but they don’t care about muscles.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 05:16 AM
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She can tell if your a betabuxx within milliseconds of seeing you. It was never about buying drinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 05:12 AM
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I know incels who are otherwise normal people. They aren’t doomers, NEETS, autists, not even terminally online or online at all some of them. Still can’t get laid. Looks do matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 05:10 AM
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There really aren’t many studies on this kind of stuff, especially not worthwhile good studies. That goes both ways. I mean to be fair this is random dating stuff not medical research. But i feel like it’s fair to say being tall and facially attractive matters more than being well dressed and having a nice cologne.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 11:59 PM
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If you have some I’ll read. And im not saying it doesn’t make a difference, just nowhere near as important as your face and height. It’s more the man that makes the clothes than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 08:35 PM
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Physical beauty gets you in the door and if you don’t have it you’re not getting in. Doesn’t really change what I’m saying. You can be the most patient kind caring guy but if women find you ugly then it ends there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 08:28 PM
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OP is talking about “immutable traits” Meaning if you want women to notice you, it’s about your face and height not the clothes or cologne you wear
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 03:31 PM
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You want a happy dating experience as a man? Be tall and attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 03:25 PM
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Honestly if she’s at least willing to have kids then most likely yeah I’d agree to that. My hope is her attractiveness will save my kids from my ugly genes which will let them live a better life than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 03:23 PM
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Women also prefer more attractive men over uglier ones. Most people know that. And if I get surgery to become more attractive I’ll get more women interested period. So then why the comments still? It isn’t constructive criticism and most of the commenters know that. They are trying to tear the guy down.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 11:35 PM
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Many guys end up in beta bucks because they don’t really have the looks to afford anything better
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 04:14 PM
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I feel you I’m ugly. Hoping these surgeries fix me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 02:22 AM
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this strategy only works if you’re attractive coulda just ended it there lol, i mean that applies to everything. Everything works if your handsome, nothing does if your ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 02:11 AM
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Specific definitions and all that aside, all that matters is that your gf/wife finds you physically attractive and likes your personality. So long as you aren’t ugly and/or autistic or super weird or something you should be good. If you were born ugly/autistic/etc then it’s probably cooked.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 02:30 AM
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I agree with the first not the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 02:11 AM
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Lowk this is surgery inspiration. Either become Chad or be loveless.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 06:00 PM
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It’s true basically everyone wants to date some attractive. It seems ugly people and even many average people simply won’t end up with someone they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 05:58 PM
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He’s attractive. It’s that simple lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 05:56 PM
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Yeah I mean some men are horny asf but women not so much. And sex is a two way street so
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 10:17 PM
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Yeah they have libidos, for people they actually wanna have sex with
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 10:11 PM
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I don’t think people would want to have sex in either case though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 08:03 PM
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Settling is when you find your partner unattractive IMO. Which is different from the honeymoon phase is ending or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 08:01 PM
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I think mutual physical attraction is necessary for a healthy relationship but it’s the only thing needed. Like from what I’ve seen attractive couples tend to be happier (on average) but they are not free from issues at all. I think celebrities are sort of in their own world honestly, being rich and famous and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 07:59 PM
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I think this is the case with some but I think most are just neurodivergent and/or physically unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 07:54 PM
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Feeling “meh” about your partner really isn’t much of an improvement though
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 07:49 PM
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I appreciate the honesty. Most people are afraid to admit ugly men aren’t really desired, and/or that their partners aren’t attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 07:34 PM
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I agree that women don’t like all that but women don’t like ugly guys much more either lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 07:31 PM
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I’m not saying an emotional connection isn’t important I’m saying mutual physical attraction also is. I understand more goes into having sex than just being good looking, life happens, but if you’re lacking that mutual physical attraction then it’s going to be apparent. Also there’s a difference between an older couple who has that mutual physical attraction and grew old and wrinkly together vs a couple who never had that. I’m not saying relationships are/should be based on ONLY looks I am sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 05:22 PM
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Sure at any given moment, it’s not as many women but over the course of their life it’s many women. Regardless doesn’t change my point that most guys simply are not FWB material.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 05:18 PM
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I think we agree First a part of being an incel is looks related. Then personality too. Incels are sometimes afraid to put themselves out there or flirt or whatever aka high social inhibition. I agree being an incel is all about looks and/or sociability
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 02:28 PM
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Reality is most guys are not FWB material. Many men get married regardless. There’s the disconnect
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 02:16 PM
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The problem is that if you’re not the type of guy women willingly sleep with NSA, then you’re not the type of guy women find sexually attractive. And naturally that has negative implications for any future relationships. You’re completely right though you don’t have to be the NSA sex-guy to get married. But really that just complicates things for your average “non-chad” guy. Because now you have to worry about your wife not finding you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 02:10 PM
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I mean to be fair you never really know the would-be woman beaters who don’t get into relationships really. That aside I understand where you’re coming from. The idea women always reject bad men, and that not getting women = your a bad man doesn’t make complete sense. Especially when you consider the guys who are more likely to beat women are low-inhibition types who don’t give a fuck. Guys who are very persistent. The same sort of traits that would probably help you get into a relationship or g…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:40 PM
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What if ur just chopped tho
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 02:45 AM
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Ehhh idk. I would say my avg friends are far from swimming in women. Most of them are well socialized go out often etc you’d think if they passed the looks req. for most women they would have more chances. And honestly I think in terms of importance to attraction, looks matter similarly to men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 09:13 PM
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Idk where you live but where I live (USA) men and women are equally as fat. Most people have average bones, doesn’t mean people are attracted to average.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 01:32 PM
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I agree there’d be more hot guys if people weren’t so obese. But still the average women rates the average guy pretty low. Getting a bit leaner can help you if you have good bones only
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 02:00 AM
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Maybe women have wider personality preferences but you need the looks for the personality to matter generally. Either way I think it evens out and both groups settle a decent amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 01:55 AM
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The gay men thing so very true. I was on IG one time and stumbled across a page of an overweight man with a big belly and the comments were filled with gay men. Well over 1000 comments. I scrolled through probably 300 and found 0 women lol. Regardless, I think women are into different things but of course still have some overlap. Good jawline and nice chin, well developed cheekbones. Stuff like that. For example, with the fat guy thing, I know some fat guys who pull majorly. Is every woman into …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 09:29 PM
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Really? I feel like men and women settle at fairly similar rates. If anything men settle a little less cause they have a somewhat broader range of what they find attractive. The ugly man and ugly women for example probably settled for eachother, but for different reasons. Maybe the man wanted sex, the woman wanted kids. Or they were both afraid of being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 09:21 PM
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It’s clear that some men get more women than others because they are more physically attractive. The thing people confuse is thinking that just cause someone is liked by many women that means ALL women. So of course women want attractive guys, but the “type” of attractive guys she wants varies from another woman who prefers a different type of hot guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 09:19 PM
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Yeah but that’s kinda important considering most of us here live in the US/EU.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 09:16 PM
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Idk that most people really can’t fall in love without physical attraction. I agree that there’s more to love than looks but it plays an important part I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 09:14 PM
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Muscles do not matter that much compared to height and face, it wouldn’t balance things out at all honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 09:10 PM
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Yupppp I think a lot of the “flaws” people say they find attractive really aren’t flaws at all so much as they are slightly uncommon features. Like a flaw is something the vast majority of people find attractive, not something most people find attractive but just isn’t all that common.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:25 AM
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As for the first one, doesn’t that just show that women are willing to date guys they don’t find attractive? Kinda displaying the whole “women settle with guys they don’t find hot” thing. Also for the second one you can’t really disprove or prove that unless you have solid data on who is getting the swipes. For all we know it’s the same exact guys or completely different guys or maybe somewhere in the middle with some overlap. Can’t really call it a myth. And then in the third one, I don’t reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 06:49 PM
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Yeah I’ve been told by older friend or older family members to “just wait until im older” and then women will be interested. Not that they meant I had to sit around but that naturally women would “change their minds” about me or something when I got older. Basically just telling me to wait until women are ready to settle down, brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 06:40 PM
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Crooked nose is real. I know a guy who had a pretty big crooked nose and does way better with women now that he has a smaller one after his rhino. Lotta people out there will see a woman on the internet say “I like big noses” and think she means an actually big nose not a slightly above average size one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 06:24 PM
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Face is very important (even more than height and wayyy more than body), you could’ve just had a way better looking face. Ultimately the alpha/beta is BS IMO but I do think attractive/ugly matters and can be the difference in how women see you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:41 AM
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I would say the number is around 30% yeah. But I think this number is less due to effort (or lack thereof) and more due to genetics, like an unattractive face for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:13 AM
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Idk about gym bros, I would say face matters more and there’s certain facial features you can safely say most women like. Regardless I agree, I don’t think the 20% number is exactly correct but I do think way more ugly people exist than most are willing to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:10 AM
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Exactly. “Everyone is someone’s type” falls under the too good to to be true category. The truth is that ugly people do exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:07 AM
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I mean if they get married or move in together yeah she probably would expect him to contribute something. But would she expect nice gifts or this or that from an attractive guy? No. He more or less has to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:01 AM
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I see plenty of skinny dudes with little to no body fat with poorly defined features due to recessed bones. I get what you mean your face looks better when lean, but really the results are only staggering if you have the bones, which many, if not most people do not have.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 02:57 AM
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Ugliness ain’t that subjective Think about bad cheekbones or recessed chins most people don’t find those attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 06:02 PM
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Idk why u started bringing up women’s right but ok Anyway all that’s great, not sure why didn’t mention plastic surgery which is like the most impactful way to improve looks though. Also what you said isn’t talking about what I said. This isn’t just about ugly men finding ugly women unattractive, but about ugly women finding ugly men unattractive. Street goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:42 AM
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Fair enough yeah. Doesn’t make sense to have to pay for dates and spoil women when you have hundreds who can take her place.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:57 PM
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I can agree with that, just from what I’ve seen he doesn’t matter to throw money at her though. Will she want dates? Sure. But does it have to be expensive? Nah not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:54 PM
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If Chad is at least willing to be exclusive and “be around” he can generally get his looks match or close enough to it No need whatsoever to throw money at women if they want you cause you’re hot, especially not beyond basic dates or things like that. Would they prefer princess treatment? I’m sure. But it’s hard enough for a woman to find a hot guy to commit. Women find poor chad 100x more sexually attractive than rich normie.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:22 PM
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You’re right yes. Many people of similar looks level end up together. Attractive with attractive, average with average, ugly with ugly. Now imagine if an ugly person became attractive, would they still date ugly people? No. Because people generally don’t find ugly people attractive, including other uglies. People date according to the best they can get, and most people are vying for the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:06 PM
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IME from what I’ve seen your right but not to that severe of an extent. Maybe it’s where I live, more of a higher COL area, but the chads I know who put 0 effort in still are dating above average looking women. Lower looks level than them? Sure a little bit. Still highly desired and attractive women. Not to mention the ones who put just a smidge of effort in, and are at least somewhat emotionally available, they don’t have much trouble getting their looksmatch. Even still they don’t spoil their …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:58 PM
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Tbh face > body any day no contest. Slim fit means nothing compared to an attractive face. So what’s your point women find attractive men attractive? I know that but what about the average and ugly women who end up with average and ugly men? That’s my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:48 PM
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Most people end up with their looksmatch Does not mean they find their looksmatch attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:39 PM
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I would say of course more than 20% of men are capable of entering a relationship and getting married. But it’s also pretty clear most women don’t find the majority of men attractive. They say it themselves. So can most men get date and get married? Sure. Are these men going to be found attractive by the women they end up with? Most likely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:38 PM
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Oh if you want the chill pill flair you gotta custom make it there should be a little pencil somewhere next to the flair editor thing where you can customize the name.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:32 PM
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Rich people attract gold diggers water is wet. The point is that if an attractive man was broke women wouldn’t expect a penny outta him.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:30 PM
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The ending of your second story is more or less what I see among some of my attractive friends. They barely give a shit about their relationships meanwhile their GFs practically worship them no matter what cause they are good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:29 PM
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Me personally I’m just very ugly so I gave up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:23 PM
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Maybe arousal is different but from what I’ve seen women can def feel attraction from a picture. My lady friends can find guys on tinder or IG attractive just by looking at static pics of em.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 06:05 PM
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That’s great but physical attraction is still necessary for a good, loving romantic relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:05 PM
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It is bleak when you realize most uglies don’t find eachother attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:57 PM
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From women I’ve talked to, I heard they can feel arousal and attraction just from a pretty face it just doesn’t happen as often as it does with men. Just seems like women’s preferences are a bit narrower than men’s. For demisexuals what you describe is more accurate I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:38 PM
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Very true, also very bleak if you think about it. Ugly people don’t want to date ugly people, but they are the only ones they have chances with. I imagine lots of loveless relationships start simply because two people didn’t want to be alone, rather than they actually loved each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:21 PM
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It interesting you say that because I noticed the more jolly people I know tend to be very single. Meanwhile the more stone-cold and less excitable and more neutral guys I know tend to have GFs. Although I think the jolly people I know tend to be worse looking, so maybe that plays into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:17 PM
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How can “looks not matter much” if most people end up with someone within their looks league. Who you date, is going to be constrained by looks. Clearly looks play a pretty big factor. Initial interest is also largely determined by looks. How many people find you attractive, that’s the people you are going to date. The uglier you are the less options you have, the more likely you are to be alone. I’m not saying personality doesn’t matter, it does, but i don’t think it matters more than looks. I’…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:13 PM
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I’m not lonely in terms of friends or anything but romantically yeah i am but that’s just due to looks tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:17 AM
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Might be the only way if you don’t have the looks tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:15 AM
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Brutal just be an internet micro-celebrity bro
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:08 AM
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Why wouldn’t I say this stuff when the conversation comes to it lol? I mean I don’t talk about this stuff with my friends often but it’ll come up time to time. It’s not very controversial or crazy to say “face is more important than body” lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:52 PM
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Why wouldn’t I say this stuff when the conversation comes to it lol? I mean I don’t talk about this stuff with my friends often but it’ll come up time to time. It’s not very controversial or crazy to say “face is more important than body” lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:52 PM
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Face is infinitely more important body first off we all know this. Way better to be a fat man with a good face than a fit man with an ugly face Second, regardless of what attraction is based on the fact is that there is ugly and there is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:20 PM
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Looked passed the exterior You mean married a man she isn’t attracted to? Brutal
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:18 PM
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The older ones are fat and bald but the young blue collar ones tend to look decent, many are fit. Regardless my point is that you can be any of these categories and attractive to women, or any of these and be unattractive to women. It depends on what your face looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:42 PM
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Do people disagree? I mean you can be any of those categories and still be attractive to women if you have a good face. Of course not all women prefer the same archetype, but if you’re attractive it doesn’t matter which one you are really.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:23 PM
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I imagine he has a social life and has spent time with this caliber of women in school or work or something
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:19 PM
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If these women never showed interest in him probably
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:12 PM
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That’s true unless these women are out of his league
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:04 PM
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Dating now is great if you are attractive, probably worse than ever if you’re ugly however
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:18 PM
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I think he wants sex but with hotter women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:16 PM
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Brutal
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:15 PM
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Tbf this is what awaits the bottom like 40% of men simply cause they were born with the wrong genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:13 PM
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I’ve said it before but being a fat man with a good face is way better than a fit man with an ugly face. Still worth to work out tho imo. The mental benefits are great.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:03 PM
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If you’re going from fat to fit then yeah. If your already skinny your face won’t change really
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:00 PM
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I know a guy who looks like Severus snape but he’s 5’7 and looks old like snape but is early 20s. I’ll tell you what these fictional crushes do not translate very well to irl cuz he gets no action.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:59 PM
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I’m ngl the beard thing, while it does make guys like better, is kinda overstated If your recessed, a beard won’t truly hide it unless your part werewolf and have a beard that can cover your whole entire upper jaw up until your eyes lol. If your recessed save up for surgery (maybe implants) and you’ll look even better with a beard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:53 PM
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“If you are fun and charismatic you will at very least be able to attract your looksmatch as a guy” This assumes you aren’t ugly tho, cause typically even other ugly people don’t want to date other ugly people. The whole good looking men who lack charisma thing is kinda not true imo. Unless you’re SUPER autistic, if you’re good looking you automatically have charisma. It’s like the old joke “women don’t find funny guys hot they find hot guys funny”. I do think personality is important for holdin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:36 PM
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Idk why the random rant about only teens being attractive or something but ok Anyway I 100% agree peoples tastes can change over time without a doubt. That’s not what I’m skeptical of. I’m skeptical of the people who “change their type” from attractive men -> unattractive men. I get what you mean about people maturing and not caring about what others care about, but some things are also just going to be basically universally attractive. Things like a nice jawline, projected chin, symmetrical fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 02:30 PM
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For me what I’ve noticed is short women are either the biggest height chasers or care the least. Seems like they tend towards extremes more so than avg/tall women. I think the 5’7 girl on average would probably prefer the 6’2 over the 5’10 by a noticeable but not huge margin assuming they have the same face.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 02:24 PM
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Yeah you’re right that’s true there are many just-world fallacy believers and gaslighters who will tell you looks don’t matter and it’s about your personality. People, for whatever reason, hate to admit to being shallow (even though the vast majority of us care about looks). But you just gotta push past that. It should get to a point where you know that “attractive” is implied when a woman wants x/y/z trait in a man. Not speaking to you specifically or anything but just in general. I think these…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 02:06 PM
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I’m not saying it doesn’t happen I’m saying it isn’t genuine, she doesn’t find the latter actually attractive As for skipping over the middle man I feel like generally attractive > avg > ugly in terms of attention from women, but I could see the value of fitting a certain archetype to appeal to a niche for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:59 PM
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Yeah it’s very worrying honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:53 PM
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An attractive man can be emotionally unavailable or not. If a woman “switches” her type from conventionally attractive men to not so attractive men it’s probably not genuine. Personality aside.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:34 AM
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Marrying a guy she’s not attracted to is a one way trip to r/deadbedrooms
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:27 AM
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I agree with what you’re saying, but what you’re saying is different from what OP is saying Swapping from bad boys to decent men? Sure I can see that. But “swapping” from tall, attractive men to men that are closer to the direct opposite of that? Very unlikely it’s genuine
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:24 AM
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Yeah true editing pics can skew things
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 02:24 AM
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I should’ve been running email game in college 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:32 AM
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I could see it going as low as 5’5 tbh but I agree with what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:30 AM
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Yeah I don’t understand why some guys are still complaining about nice guys getting left behind. It’s cause women don’t find those specific nice guys physically attractive, simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:13 AM
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Tbh height is important and being tall will always be a huge halo but personally deep down I’ve always felt that face > height for the most part
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:09 AM
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I feel like people look better irl than they do in pictures IME. I’ve seen many women who look odd in pictures actually look really pretty irl. Catfishing is another thing though, using old pictures when you were a different weight is messed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:08 AM
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If you missed it there were a number of married men, men with GFs and men dating other women that visited sister hong, it’s not because men are sexless is that they’re seeing sister hong, it’s because they’re horny and she’s willing. That’s literally it. you can be sexless and in a relationship tho tbf. regardless i agree with the general sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:45 PM
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its nice to hear that your parents were able to break the curse, always super inspiring to hear stories like that. both my parents families are immigrants and had to make a life here from basically nothing, thinking about it really helps keep me trucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:31 PM
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be attractive and dont be unattractive thats all it boils down to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:08 PM
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like height/weight/face rating
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:06 PM
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fuck man if only i wasnt ugly then being jacked would be enough. i wish i at least had an avg face.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:05 PM
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i think most women would be delighted if they brought out AI robo girlfriends
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:15 PM
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yeah see this is why i use simple words. man want hot woman. women want hot man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:01 PM
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thats true. it could go well. but the odds aren't great i think.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:54 PM
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it doesn't mean wanting the best (always), but it does mean wanting at least CLOSE to the best i think. like you gotta be above average typically i think.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:50 PM
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np. im truecel so take it with a grain of salt. you might have better results than me LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:38 PM
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LOL i prolly wouldnt call em autistic but its pretty outta touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:33 PM
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i used to think women were more hypergamous and now i think men and women equally are. IDK if PPD in particular changed my mind on this but it has something that has changed since starting posting here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:26 PM
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i dont like trump really but he says some pretty funny stuff sometimes regardless if its supposed to be funny or not. the way he types i think is hilarious
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:22 PM
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ive had something similar happen once. my situation surely could be different from yours though. basically woman approached -> she didn't say much, just kinda went along with what i said -> i sorta ignored her she was friendly afterwards though, same as you. i actually ended up asking her out and i got rejected though. so idk. i think its worth a shot if you like her. but maybe she was just tryna make convo or make friends. i think that was my situation. wouldn't hurt to ask her out though who k…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:04 PM
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I dont know, arranged marriages aren't really common where im from. i think the cultural differences make quite an impact in this regard. plus i mean, how much input did the brides/grooms have in picking their partner? how much vetting was done, how do these guys and gals look. i feel like there alot there left to be said. i mean i see what your saying but don't people want more than just a very basic transactional "practical" relationship? dont you think people want romantic love over affection…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 06:58 PM
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it can be hard, maybe its the hardest its been in recent history. but i believe in u. at the end of the day all we can do is try.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 06:50 PM
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i dont think im bitter. blunt sometimes maybe lol. its true though i am enjoying spending too much time on these forums as of late though i admit but im going through a sort of extra boring period in my life rn lol. but i wanna hear what your thoughts are on all this if u dont mind. i mean would you not agree that generally speaking women don't really want to date ugly men? and surely some people (men and women alike) marry for things that aren't really love?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 06:46 PM
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Love can evolve with time, can is the important word here. at least with women it can because physical appearance is not the only thing we consider in a partner. both men and women consider more than just looks. but its absolutely a main priority for both. assuming you marrying for love and not just stability or to have kids. And if even if she never falls in love with him, if she treats him decently, what's the problem? It's better to be with a good person who treats their partner with ethics; …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 06:42 PM
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yeah im 100% sure it explains at least a decent amount of it honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 06:38 PM
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yeah in some cases absolutely. possible even most cases. idk the numbers tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 06:25 PM
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she will marry him if she has to. she prolly won't love him tho
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 06:25 PM
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do u live in tallasfuckistan or something wtf? not mad i mean it can happen but thats astonishing ngl. have u legit had 0 interested women, or 0 interested women who were interested in you? also how old r u, if ur still young then it might not be set in stone or anything
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 06:19 PM
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who O_O
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 06:16 PM
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bro please im telling you. i literally need to get double jaw surgery and possibly even leg lengthening to even have a chance at a decent love life. for you, there's a chance all you need to do is put some months in the gym. its not going to be easy, but it sure will be a hell of a lot cheaper. (and less painful). do it bro, you never know what potential you have. with that being said, of course, i dont know your bones and you dont know your bones. as much as i hate to say it but: maybe getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:34 PM
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i mean women will def approach stranger men if they r hot enough ive seen it with me own eyes. my one buddy is like 6'4, decent looking face, hes been approached multiple times. ive been there to see it. but i agree women, like men, would prefer not to approach though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:29 PM
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i think both a large chunk of men and women end up in relationships/marriages with people they arent into ultimately tbh. i dont think theres a big divide here but maybe im wrong idk. probably a small difference but meh.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:25 PM
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approaching sure, many women don't do that. but i feel like most women give pretty clear choosing signals generally speaking personally im truecel but ive seen this happen to my attractive and tall friends all the time when we are out and about
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:12 PM
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women do both of these things bro....
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:10 PM
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keep the inkie-bait to a low ma'am, these are supposed to be sub 5 friendly forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:09 PM
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eugenics is all about passing along "favorable genes" instead of "bad genes" so isnt dating more like eugenics? and looksmaxxing is a "response" (of sorts) to that? or am i getting this wrong. also to give some credits to the male looksmaxxing autists, i aint never heard of a women getting orbital box osteotomies or lefort 3s done before inkies got their hands on looksmaxxing. maybe im wrong tho. but i know for a fact some inkwells out there genuinely changed the looksmaxxing landscape by quite …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:08 PM
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do you think the tea thing is really going to stop a significant number of man from dating? im asking genuinely btw not trying to be like backhanded or something im seriously curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:36 PM
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ok lillith im sorry dont hurt me
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:30 PM
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ive realized everyone wants everyone else to have low standards. very enlightened i know.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:23 PM
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hehehehehehehehe maybe ehehehehehehe
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:11 PM
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this would be great actually. holds men and women responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:38 PM
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bruuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hit the gym, put on some muscle and lose the fat man. take it all the way. do it for me, do it for us truecels who genuinely never had a chance. go the distance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:21 PM
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yeesh honestly 5'4 is brutal. even with below average looking women it would be a struggle unless hes really good looking facially.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:20 PM
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yea that too. like i know leagues exist and i get it we gotta ultimately take what we can get. but lets be real neither men nor women want to date their undesirable counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:16 PM
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bruhhhhh you gotta be lean in the big '25 fatcel is volcel, have you ever been lean?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:14 PM
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*kisses you on the forehead* i hope you get some rest soon :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 02:24 PM
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yeah i think both men and women are hypergamous. most people want better than they are. people can argue over who is more hypergamous, i know i used too, but honestly i dont think it matters. both men and women want to date physically attractive people. simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 02:23 PM
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bro this is a shitpost and she (it might not even be a she) is just ragebaiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 02:21 PM
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yeah but if your the type of guy women regularly have FWBs with it means ur physically attractive. it means you can do just about anything and sleep with a bunch of women, including simply swiping on tinder. or just going outside. i mean i guess farming body count on the job is more convenient though, instead of having to do it off the clock. that i get.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 02:19 PM
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how is that a sub. side note i hate porn but i especially hate the shit that is pushed on it. like why is step-bro/step-sis porn so common? i read somewhere its among the MOST viewed porn. idk how true it is but i'd believe it. shid iz awful breh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 02:15 PM
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i mean its the same as any other case bro. if ur fit, not too short, and have an attractive face. u can have sex with a bunch of women. fitness trainer or not thats just how it be.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 02:11 PM
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so true... like i know SO many low tier men who play women and use them as placeholders. for example this 5'2 balding indian janitor i know.... forreal though this is a really funny shitpost, big ups.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 02:00 PM
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lol it kinda gave it away.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:59 PM
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incels vs fakecels*
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:58 PM
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i dont think they do. i dont women think about ugly men at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:35 PM
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i would agree the experiences of an average man vs average woman are different yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:18 PM
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ugly people dont want to date ugly people. well people in general dont want to date ugly people but its a problem both ways tbh. average guys yeah, many who are incels are really just volcels tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 12:11 PM
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most people are pretty generic imo. man or woman. nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 11:13 AM
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yeah this sub has gotten way more BASED. i actually love it here. even many of the bluepills on here are knowing its awesome
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 11:12 AM
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if only.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 11:11 AM
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yeah you def don't have to be top 20% to be in a relationship. i think you have to be close to it though to actually be desired though. like actually be found sexually attractive. in most cases anyway. me personally im pretty blackpilled, i dont think im toxic but idk. you just gotta have some way to ground yourself ig. but then again maybe idk what im talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:34 AM
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LOL too real though didnt realize the flair was ironic lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:53 AM
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yeah its why im immune to redpill and bluepill copes. not once have i ever stopped and thought "hey maybe it is my personality or my frame bro"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:15 AM
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LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:14 AM
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this will be me once im done gymcelling
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:13 AM
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well if hes older and richer i understand not wanting to date women his age group cuz they'd prolly be settling for marriage. if hes attractive now then i'd be willing to date women my age group cuz i know they prolly are genuinely into me not just for my money.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:11 AM
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what do u think mrs fairy? in this scenario would u rather be ugly and unaware of ur undesirability or ugly and aware of ur undesirability?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:08 AM
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i talked about a 5'4 dude "getting laid easily" cause thats what the OP said. of course its more than just sex. otherwise id just get a hooker.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:07 AM
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thats brutal. i mean im sure bro feels great or confident or whatever but i think id rather be burdened with the knowledge of truth u smell me?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 06:55 AM
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His biggest problem is his big ass fo head I got more issues than that bro ngl But to be fair mine problems can be fixed with plastic surgery idk how tf you’d fix the forehead. Maybe hair transplant + long hair to cover it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:00 AM
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😭😭
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:47 AM
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He mogs me unironically Genuinely never began bruh I need to get so much surgery done
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:45 AM
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I think porn and prostitution are bad overall, but at this point they also sort of keep many undesirable men pacified. So it’s like while I think they should be outlawed, it might genuinely bring about an inkie uprising LOL. This is why we need AI robot GFs
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:44 AM
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oh sure normies will talk about it sometimes when its easy to. but to a person who is struggling? who actually needs someone to be real with them? i can't blame em. hard to tell and ugly struggling guy hes struggling cuz hes ugly, especially in person anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:42 AM
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yeah of course someone like shannon, who is famous AND rich AND still looks pretty good can date a 20 yr old woman. its safe to assume most non-married, and sadly some married, men in that situation are seeing younger women. but shannon sharpe is not most men. most men don't look like him at that age, and most men are not rich and famous.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:13 AM
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most normies will not readily admit that tho, especially not to the extent it actually matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 02:14 AM
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this app highlights the one benefit being an inkie has. im invisible so i got nothing to worry about like idrc about all this at all cuz i get no puh chads got nothing to worry about either. i think really just average men have something to worry about wrt to being lied about or something. and i do get thats not the end of the world, but its certainly more impactful than some middle school rumor or something i would imagine to be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:40 AM
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LOL who is they in this scenario im lost edit: nvm hehe
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:32 AM
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nah its not medical. i dont have sleep apnea nor any other problems that other people would get surgery for, especially not to the extent that surgery would be warranted for. this would be purely cosmetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:21 AM
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its insane how often and for how long people have been doing this. there were these guys who set up clocks and stuff for natalie portman hitting 18. its awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:19 AM
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its pretty fkn bad bro LOL just to list one problem: my maxilla is pretty recessed. gives me nasty nasiolabal folds and makes me look old asf. thats just one issue among other numerous facial flaws. safe to say its pretty over without some major plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:13 AM
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i know that NAWALT, but women generally aren't attracted to ugly men so increasing my odds means taking drastic measures.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:04 AM
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i mean im sure its possible for me to get married eventually, especially once i get to the age when women are more willing to settle for things like stability over actual attraction/love. and maybe i am being narcissistic or selfish but i dont want to just get married. i would like for my wife to actually be attracted to me. plus i think that would lend itself towards a better relationship/marriage anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 12:38 AM
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i mean dating, with the goal of getting married and having children, is essentially eugenics. just on a personal level. you reject people, essentially telling them you don't want their genes to be passed on. and date people, with the intention (not conscious of course) of passing on their genes. and you know what that makes me wonder if people who don't want kids are more accepting of an uglier/less desirable partner. i doubt it has a large affect but im curious if there is something there howev…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 12:18 AM
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u dont know that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 12:10 AM
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ok well being an inkie is probably worse for my mental health than what could be caused by plastic surgery and being super low body fat so its worth
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 12:06 AM
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maybe for some average guys, they can be found attractive possibly some few women. but generally speaking ugly is ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 12:02 AM
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yeah women notoriously love ugly men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 11:57 PM
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u can't tell me im wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 11:37 PM
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my point is being successful with women, especially to the point where you can sleep with them somewhat easily, is NOT going to be achievable for your average short guy, especially not at 5'4 unless your in a country where the average height is lower than the global average. the only other exception is maybe if you have a really really attractive face. then yeah maybe. how old are you though if you don't mind me asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 11:12 PM
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i was mostly talking about people who post their photos on forums and subs and stuff. but even private ratings are the same to a lesser extent. From what I've seen it can be the spectrum, mental health issues and/or a lack of socialization. yeah i would say these reasons are the cases for a few of the below average, some of the average, and virtually all of the above average. especially the first one in particular. that all said there are way more inkies than there are severe autists. it simply …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 11:08 PM
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well it depends on what you mean by ex-inkie. are they now viable on the dating market cuz they are older and richer? or are they now viable on the dating market cuz they are more attractive now, like they had some late glowup.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:46 PM
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most people (bluepillers) will tell you to "just be confident" or "just be a good person" tho. or will try and tell you to use ur personality to compensate for looks (if you can get them to admit looks matters). it has changed in recent years a bit i admit though. maybe they believe different things deep down. that could be possible. but in that case then what bluepills espouse isn't what they necessarily truly believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:43 PM
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I have a friend who's 5'4 and gets laid all the time, because he's confident and funny. lol. we gotta stop pretending like thats normal bro. lets be real bro's an outlier. most 5'4 guys i know don't get laid. at all. irrespective of confidence or whatever. i think a decent amount of them can get married tho. but actually desired by women and sleeping with em (especially regularly)? not likely bro. yes personality matters but so does looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:36 PM
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its a goofy graph i don't even blame u
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:30 PM
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>attractive hobbies if u have to hobbymaxx its unironically over ngl. also that shows porn and manosphere as being less attractive. the percent is the amount of women who find it attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:24 PM
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me if i wasnt sub 5.... fk my incel chud life
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:21 PM
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mogs me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:20 PM
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ah ok that makes sense. and fair enough about the changing desires yeah. would you say there was anything else these women who settled had in common aside from they couldn't bear being alone? the libido and not being into sex stuff makes sense but i am wondering if there is any other possible commonality you might've happen to noticed (if there is one). also thank you for taking the time to answers my questions i appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:19 PM
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I agree with the other comment that many women go feral for a super attractive guy. It’s just that there’s far less men women would absolutely drool over than women men would. brutal. what hope is there, chat? but seriously i dont get why this is hard to understand for some people. more so the first sentence than the latter. at least with the latter i could understand the debate around the exact numbers or whatever. but even then the main point is that most people are truly attracted to attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:05 PM
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yep. im not gay but ive spent enough time online to see women in relationships drool over hot men's instagram pages or whatever online too. it is absolutely not something unique to men. its pretty rough though. when you check the simping mans/womens page their partner looks how you imagine. typically average looking. brutal. some of these people have whole ass families too. become attractive or die trying i say.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 10:00 PM
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no i havent seen Cheaters the show
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:51 PM
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really? i wouldn't say its over for him. we don't even know how tall he is. nor where he lives. nor what type of women hes dating (how attractive they are, their race, etc). but he has an average face. average looking men aren't incels generally speaking. its the ugly men. below average looking men. i wouldn't say this man, or most average men, are necessarily really desired by the majority of women. but he is certainly good looking enough to start a family and have a wife and have had girlfrien…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:48 PM
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true but im pretty sure still a majority do. and even those that don't have different categories of men they WOULD FWB/date or marry. and of course looks are going to stratify these.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:45 PM
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damn i did not realize something like brain damage could cause asexuality. i mean it makes sense but i never thought about it. i thought typically it was a mental thing or whatever. unless thats what you mean by brain damage. that makes sense. i always hear people talking about "never stop dating your wife/husband" type of thing. as in you have to consciously put in effort in LTRs to make them last and actually be good. The idea that if she likes and loves you things will stay the same and the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:43 PM
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i was speaking generally. but i mean maybe? if he was promising them stability or whatever especially if they were unaware of eachother. or maybe they were significantly worse looking than him (the guy is average looking imo) and he wasn't all that into them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:39 PM
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yeah thats another good point. the real uggos, many of them, don't post their face. i know i would never, unless these surgeries work out :P are there average (or even above average) looking incels who aren't short or autistic or something like that? probably. just not very many. the vast majority of incels ive seen (whether they self-identify as one or not) DO have real notable physical flaws, often multiple, that significantly hurt their chances with women. myself included. we all want to be w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:26 PM
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perhaps. but the main thing im addressing in the post is how she's really just referring to a small portion of men. like yeah this is true... for the most attractive guys. can't really say "men" and actually mean "attractive men" when the majority of men are not attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:20 PM
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that'd make sense. i think its more a difference between guys they FWB and guys they date/marry. still link the study im curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:17 PM
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I’ve always pointed out how you see far more jacked men/fat women than fit women/fat men couples at the gym, exaaaaaaaaaaaactlyyyy bro. finally someone gets it holy shit. like in general of course people don't want to date fat people, men or women. but specifically among gym goers you see so many fit dudes with fat women. not just normal weight dudes but fit dudes its crazy. you rarely see fit women with fat dudes unless they are tall as shit or something. even then its rare. i agree most people…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:13 PM
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IDC. 10% bodyfat and lefort 3 or NOTHING.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:07 PM
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it will often leave you questioning what attracted them to those guys. it was their looks, they were attractive. or very tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:07 PM
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real life experiences aside? is cheaters a show or something? LOL im not sure im following
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:05 PM
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LOL i would agree men are as emotional as women but it may look differently. it matters cause who wants to be with someone who doesn't actually want them? such a relationship is bound to suffer and see negative consequences as a result. i mean you probably work hard at your job, but you would work harder if you were told you'd be making 2x or 3x as much. same applies to relationships. people care more/love more/try more in relationships where they actually want to be with the person they are wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:03 PM
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i have seen it happen with non-model looking men. but they were still above average looking, or at least tall and average facially, but they were dating down quite a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:59 PM
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Many women compete with each other for male attention i think we are talking about a very specific type of man here lol. not really applicable to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:56 PM
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lets not forget that "nice" and "funny" can sometimes, maybe even oftentimes, just be analog for "good-looking"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:54 PM
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never seen face reveals on here tbh. i suspect compliment fishers or autists might be skewing the pool. irl is a bit harder to parse IMO. unsuccessful men will lie (myself included rofl), or exaggerate to not feel "left out". if anything i hear average/attractive looking guys complaining about dating more because they actually are able to date and have struggles to actually talk about. that being said still, the guys who admit they struggle with getting any women IRL still tend to be unnattracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:53 PM
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na no need for the apologies man i appreciate it. im always interested in hearing about occurrences like these. plus i agree with what your saying. too many guys think they have to do so much to keep a women's interest when the reality is they just are trying to force something that can't be forced. its not what you do, often it is simply who you are like you said. you gotta be aware of who you are, and what you mean to different women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:52 PM
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worrying about health problems is not going to help me get the huzz
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:41 PM
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I view marriage as a means to raise children, so love and fidelity aren't high on the list for me. have you always felt this way? women's drop in desire after 1-3 year and unrealistic expectations? what do you mean by these? sorry for all the questions but im curious if you don't mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:36 PM
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from what ive seen absolutely. it takes effort but its possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:28 PM
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Than how are most men not incels? well you said "go for" and i interpreted that as "physically attracted to". of course most men end up married or not virgins. most men aren't "desired" though. They said that TO CHILDREN. It’s not society‘s fault that these guys are stuck in Arrested Development. naww i see grown ass adults saying this to grown ass adults. i can't even blame them tho. i mean its hard to tell somebody "your ugly" especially in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:26 PM
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I don't think illusions can shatter for most women. They will keep making the same dumb mistakes and wondering the same stupid shit for years about why they keep making "bad choices." yeah for some women it can take them a loooong time to come to terms with reality. that's true for sure. Simping just causes men to think that their actions and performance matter more than they do. damn i've never actually heard it put that well. that's a really really good description holy. true as fuck. yeah i a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:24 PM
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porn is horrible. i dont know how much it actually impacts meeting women but it certainly is not good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:13 PM
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Just be sure to focus on health rather than being too picky about a certain size. booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiinnnnnngggggggggggggg
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:12 PM
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i guess looks aren't an important factor if your willing to date somebody who isn't actually attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:07 PM
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i wanna know where you guys find these average or even attractive looking incels. genuinely. ive spent a while around these spaces and haven't really seen any. unless they were like super autistic or something else was very wrong with them mentally. i have seen some guys who have had GFs in the past or aren't virgins larp as incels though. those guys are better looking on avg of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:03 PM
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just be attractive. its that simple. all these questions and concerns and debates about approaching. answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:00 PM
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i think simping def increases some women's self-value a bunch for sure. typically though i think that illusion is shattered once a woman ends up actually dating and she can't get the attractive men she wants. overall it still really isn't a good thing as im sure there are some downstream affects from it even after the illusion is shattered. If shes truly attracted to you you can kinda do whatever the fuck you want. yeah the guys i know in relationships with women who are really into them don't h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:59 PM
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All types of women go for all types of men. given you are good looking i think this is true. to hell with the dark triad nonsense imo. i think you have a good point. i used to give some credence to the whole "dark triad/bad boy" thing but honestly the types of women who are into that probably aren't the types of women you would want to associate with especially for LTRs and marriage. assuming any of it holds real water. Also, ‘Nice Guys’ claim they were ‘lied to’ because they assumed being nice/…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:50 PM
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yep LOL. too many people overlook these things when talking about dating and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:47 PM
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exactly. even they are super uncommon and yet they explain the "looks gap" you see in these couples. people GENUINELY dating out of their looks league is very very rare. as in no "compensation" in the form of "race" or money or height in my personal life i actually know a white dude, somewhat ugly, but okay height. he only really has success with brown women (like indian), most likely since they have a beauty standard where light skin is very attractive and probably some other reasons to do with…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:34 PM
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i know quite a few short ugly dudes who are super funny and very confident. they don't generally get women, let alone "all". and if they do get women its not the type most guys would want. cause lets face it dudes care about looks ALOT, just as much as women do. i think focusing on these "outlier cases" are stupid and pointless. people should be able to recognize them as such. "i know a guy who won the lottery" does that mean i should expect to win if i play? even if i buy my ticket at the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:20 PM
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lots of boomer men, who aren't necessarily liberal, are guilty of this as well tbf.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:15 PM
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yea everything else is legit just looking for crumbs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:14 PM
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yes but ur aware that is not most inkies. you know most inkies are simply regular ugly guys who don't post on .is or whatever. so that means that women, including you, who spend any time around pill spaces or incel forums or whatever should be able to easily and soundly admit that incel men are simply unattractive. no more "incels are bad people" or "incels have a bad personality". can people who don't know better say that? sure. idc. but if you know anything about these spaces you should be bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:11 PM
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agreed. everyone wants a physically attractive partner who is also pleasant to be around. period. this single sentence nearly entirely defines dating, and i think this whole sub can be detracted to that one sentence in most cases. i see people sometimes argue that men or women have wider "preferences", but i think both are false, or at least false enough. i mean yeah sure i probably see more fat women in relationships than fat men in my personal life for example, but it's not a big a difference …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 06:59 PM
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tbf most inkies don't post on inkie forums
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 06:52 PM
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i agree with this tbh. alot of the examples of "average guy with beautiful woman" both irl and online ive seen people point too are usually "above average guy with above average woman". sometimes its a bit less obvious, like maybe the guy has a shitty beard or something. another thing i commonly will see is a good looking woman with a clearly good looking guy who is simply 15 pounds or so overweight. also race/height/money can account for the difference in looks (usually) that my other examples …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 06:34 PM
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yeah i agree. generally speaking humans want love, and not just platonic love, and they want to be wanted. i think at best you can distract from this, potentially only for a time. can some men completely detach themselves from dating and a desire for love? sure. i don't think its realistic for most though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 06:17 PM
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i would say interesting and shitty could be interpreted as a blue pill thing too, maybe even more so. bluepills always go on and on about personality. also especially when you look at the red pill and its talking about "bad boys" and dark triad and what not. maybe that's kinda a blackpill thing too i guess, but i think redpills touch on it as well for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 06:13 PM
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double jaw surgery brings your bottom and top jaws forward. basically it gets rid of a recessed chin and brings your maxilla forward, which gives your face more "depth" from the side. it also leaves your face more defined, as the fat and skin are stretched over a bigger surface area.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 06:08 PM
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i didnt even ultimately disagree wit what they were saying bruh and u know what if the unc and uncette get to be ignorant in here then i get my shot too ok
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:24 AM
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i never meant that a parent should just stop interacting with their child just cause they work or whatever. i was specifically referring to the "taking care" part of childcare as opposed to the "play". i know they are same thing on some level but you know what i mean lol. all i was saying is that generally speaking both parents should have the same amount of work, whether thats a career or handling the baby. of course a child is more complicated than a chore.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 01:24 AM
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ok well call it even on that cuz we got uncs and aunts in here talking about dating like its still the 90s or 00s. i dont even think half these people know what a tinder is
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 01:12 AM
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xP lemme ragebait a lil bit dont worry i was re-educated hehe
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 12:54 AM
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i suppose being financially responsible and having friends is part of a good personality is what i meant. i do think RP guys overstate the money and status thing a bit though. i see it more as a checkbox. whereas better looks provides increasingly better and better quantity and quality in dating outcomes, so its not as much of a checkbox.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 12:37 AM
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^^ that makes sense for the husband to contribute a significant amount then.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 12:32 AM
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that makes sense, if its the case where taking care of the baby exceeds the working hours of a typical 9-5 then yeah it would make sense for the husband to pitch in.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 12:23 AM
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im not saying its the case im saying how it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 12:15 AM
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It's about the responsibility split agreed. my main point is that time spent "working" whether at home or with the kid should be split equally in terms of effort/time. of course if a child requires so much effort beyond a regular working day then yeah sure the father should pitch in some more to make it equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 12:14 AM
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24 hours? do babies not sleep?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 11:39 PM
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just have a decent personality and be good looking. thats what i say. simple as that/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 11:38 PM
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ye red pill has a lot of cope i think especially the deeper you get into it. maybe some ideas hold some weight sometimes, but i think the most important part the redpill gets right is the "Looks" of Looks/Money/Status, and how important it is. that said of course i think some RP guys cope around about it still, telling guys to go to the gym when they really need plastic surgery. but they are on the right track.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 11:14 PM
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i think its made dating harder for most men. if your really attractive and tall as a man, dating is a cake walk more so now then ever. for the vast majority of men who aren't really facially attractive and/or tall, dating has become somewhat harder. consider the fact that, yes, while its as easy as scrolling or swiping or whatever, people want the best (as in most desirable). ESPECIALLY in dating. and now its easier than ever to meet or see the best. this means interest has consolidated way more…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 11:03 PM
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i agree. if your a SAHM, of course you should do basically all of the child care. i think its wild to sometimes see people arguing otherwise. if you guys both work, assuming you work the same hours, then yeah child care should be 50/50. and if your husband is slacking in such a scenario then that should be dealt with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 10:53 PM
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yea overdressed i would say. bro should probably chill out a lil bit. has the guy dated before?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:41 PM
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where did they go on a date? nothing wrong with an oxford shirt and pants imo depending on the place.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 07:49 PM
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This is true. I’m saying what is typically necessary for a “happy” relationship generally speaking. Also the gap doesn’t have to be too severe. I’m not saying average men need to date 2/10s. But maybe a 3-4.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 06:41 PM
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Above average is good enough, especially if the woman is below their looksmatch and they aren’t short height. Average is workable if they are tall. or i suppose if the women is below looksmatch that too could work if the man is average. I knew some couples like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 06:38 PM
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I think my anxiety I had just came from being ugly. Wasn’t really ever bullied harshly, maybe a comment here or there but they never severely affected me. I think it was the subconscious knowledge, that I was ugly and people subtly treating me different is what caused it. Mine was social anxiety though. So I just really had to power through it and beat my head against a wall to beat it. As a “nerdy guy” it is weird how many nerdy people have these anxieties or whatever. I wonder if being nerdy l…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 06:34 PM
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Very interesting point about the orphan/poor women thing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 06:19 PM
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Probably yeah lol I mean what women fantasizes about an average or ugly looking guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 06:17 PM
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its true......
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 06:46 AM
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thank u bro
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 06:45 AM
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who are they
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 06:43 AM
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i agree. certainly some qualities if lacked hit harder than others (like having a recessed chin is a big hit), but generally speaking if your lacking only a few things you should be alright. like not everyone has to be a model, but as long as your somewhat above average looking you'll be aight so long as your not too short. if your tall, especially so, and you can even get away with being average looking facially honestly. if your average all around (height and looks) it'll probably suck a quite…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 06:27 AM
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well are they at least above average facially?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 06:21 AM
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Really? When I was in college all the dudes I knew who had girlfriends either were attractive facially (or were at some point), or tall and more or less facially average looking. Except for maybe some outliers here and there. But typically the vast majority of ugly or below average men were alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 05:45 AM
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I would say you need at least more than a couple of these to have a solid chance at real attraction (and therefore love). Not all of them though. Like if you’re short (not too short though) and maybe don’t have the most defined face, but you have a good jawline, chin, and other facial features/ratios you’ll probably be just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 05:42 AM
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Date? Sure, especially as they get older. Fall? Maybe. Sometimes. Just my observations though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 05:40 AM
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Are you saying there are no valid generalizations? Also I’m not complaining lol. Just giving an example of a reasonable generalization. And by taller men I meant above average height for men. Here’s some more reasonable generalizations imo: People prefer those with non-recessed chins, full head of hair, good jawline, prominent cheekbones, defined facial structure, small nose, eyes that aren’t buggy, nice smile (usually defined by palate width), etc etc. Oh and symmetrical faces people love those…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 05:37 AM
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There are traits that are generally considered attractive, and a person who scores most of them will have easier time dating, but there’s also variation is exactly what women prefer Well that’s exactly my point. Tall height, good non-recessed chin, good jawline, somewhat defined facial structure (like kind of prominent cheekbones), etc etc. I could go on and on, but these are all traits that are going to be found attractive by probably >95% of the population. The variation in preference? Stuff l…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 05:29 AM
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im not sure i am motivated by spite necessarily but i always continue trying despite my situation. there's 100% a side of me that doesn't want to give up. im ugly? i can get plastic surgery. im broke? i can work harder. im socially retarded? i can practice. im short? leg lengthening. that said i am demotivated at times. knowing that despite my best efforts, i still might not be (and never will be) where i want to be, sucks. basically the idea that my end goals are not satisfied as i wanted them.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 02:36 AM
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i see what your saying. i have some generalizations about men/women that i hold to be true, but they are nothing that would be considered unrealistic. and of course i am aware naturally there are outliers or whatever else. the examples you gave are def not something id consider accurate generalizations and i'd understand why you'd criticize them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 02:28 AM
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are you saying that there are no valid generalizations to be made about men and women in dating? or are you specifically calling out "crazy, radical" generalizations i feel like if i say, women prefer taller men. thats not something that is controversial to say. is it true in 100% of cases? no of course not, but its nearly universally true to the point where i feel like its safe to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 02:13 AM
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tall, attractive face, fit. its not that hard bruh
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 02:01 AM
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the idea is that the top 20% receive the vast majority of attention/desire from women. but of course they dont all receive attention from all women. there are still different types of "archetypal chads" that certain women would prefer over the other types. the hot nerd. the hot jock. the hot black/white/etc guy. not all women like all of the 20% or whatever, but the men women truly like, generally speaking, are among the top 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 01:55 AM
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i know but what im saying is regardless of the woman shes picking from a small group of highly desirable men. just a different portion of the "top 20%".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 01:44 AM
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not trying to be rude or anything but how old are you? i feel like that has something to do with it as womens preferences tend to change with age from what ive heard. i feel like younger women, like those in their 20s and teens would find especially the left guy attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 01:17 AM
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feel like thats reasonable tbh. i mean nobody likes a whiner but still reasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 01:11 AM
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mogs me
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 01:11 AM
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not being super autistic tends to correlate with the things i said. of course there's a bit more that goes into it than just "not being autistic" but its shorthand. if you want to be around shitty people ur probably a shitty person, on some level. otherwise you wouldn't want to be around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 11:05 PM
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no but not being super autistic means you can probably hold decent conversation and are able to talk about different things. it also means you probably have some different hobbies and interests you can talk about. if someone is shitty and you associate with them, that generally isn't a good sign. if a women is friends with a bunch of cheaters, would you want to date her? i mean at the very least you would be suspicious right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 10:03 PM
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if you lack any of those, work on it, if you can't necessarily fix it, then accept your relationships are going to suffer to some extent (on avg). it's not fair, and your right most men can't become "physically attractive", sadly that is life. you don't have to be high status. just don't be super autistic. shitty people tend to attract shitty people, and make their relationships shitty. more success? maybe. not all success is good though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:41 PM
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it’s literally dudes with wispy moustaches, shaggy mullets, and painted nails who performatively read My Year of Rest and Relaxation in public, know to get their pants tailored, and talk about shit like ceremonial grade matcha. if they are tall and facially attractive enough, then yes. you can be any archetype of man, and be very attractive to women. you can be the nerd, the jock, the performative man, the redneck, the scholar, the stoner, the retard, the financebro, the loser, the mommies boy, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 08:20 PM
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yeah people here can get a bit overzealous at times, myself included im sure. though i understand why people, guys in particular, can be so headstrong about the looks thing even though some probably take it a bit too far. many of these guys probably thought the same way you do (or did maybe), only for life to beat them down and painfully show them otherwise. rejection after rejection, year after year, many of these guys were likely also bullied or discriminated for their looks even. i don't thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 08:08 PM
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to be fair we have no reason to believe you don't date the "same guys". i mean the same guys as the ones on the Tea app or whatever? probably not. but most happily partnered women still were chasing from among a small, but highly desirable group of men. if that makes any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 07:53 PM
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i dont think so. i think most of dating can be described by a few simple lines. though i think outliers exist, and are more complex, they are a minority of cases (of course)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 07:50 PM
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what do you mean "terrible how this sub changes how we seen men"? genuinely curious, i mean did you think before looks didn't matter and now you think they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 07:49 PM
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i mean based i agree looks are very important but what did u go thru here LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 07:28 PM
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i agree with this. i think if you have a lack of physical attraction, even if you guys are otherwise attracted towards eachother, its going to reflect on the relationship. your simply going to value them less, care about them less. regardless if that's how you actually want to treat them. the hotter the partner, the more we want them, the better we treat them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 07:13 PM
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its interesting seeing people's takes on dating and stuff. in general i think dating/love/attraction is way simpler than what people make it out to be but i still enjoy hearing what people have to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 07:02 PM
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fan fiction is thinking looks matter xD unless ur talking about the top line then idk
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 06:56 PM
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i mean yeah that can happen, still don't think its worth sitting around hoping for. especially if there was nothing there to begin with. it worked in your case, congratulations, but in general i would call into question the "staying power" of such attraction. will something like that last? maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 06:52 PM
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Yeah personality is really an after thought. Just how it works unfortunately. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 05:02 PM
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Probably just double jaw surgery. Maybe some extra stuff like a rhino or something if needed but I think that should be good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 04:59 PM
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the problem with that is that most people, including unattractive people themselves, are not physically attracted to unattractive people. i agree that people are sort of forced to date within their league though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 04:19 AM
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based murphy. he used to be a bit bluepilled from what i remember but he's changed his tune.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 04:09 AM
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i would agree and disagree. i think improving yourself is good, but aside from plastic surgeries, most of the ways you can "improve yourself" don't matter too much. having a nice body is great, but being tall is infinitely more important. having great style is cool, but having an attractive face is again infinitely more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 04:02 AM
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of course substance matters. few people want to date a wooden plank. but so do looks. im glad for you and your husband, but generally speaking, people see someone attractive, they get to know them, and if they like their personality they stay together. thats why looks matter. they provide you with chances and opportunities to "show your personality" most people and relationships i know of don't hedge bets on "maybe i will find them attractive". most good relationships had that initial physical a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 03:58 AM
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i mean if u wanna get into details. sure it could happen for both women and men. one day, something changes, and bam you see someone in different light. is it likely? not at all. is it worth betting on? absolutely not. i would say waiting and hoping some friend or acquaintance changes their mind on you (romantically speaking) is a lost cause. its exceptionally rare for it to happen. especially if you are physically below-average looking. which are the types of people who would NEED this the most…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 03:54 AM
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colloquially you still hear that most women find the vast majority of men unattractive. also i think there is something to be said when women only swipe on 2-5% of men, especially considering a decent % (from what ive heard its like 20%) of relationships start on online dating. its literally women telling you what % of men they find attractive. the percentage of men they would, generally speaking, consider actually dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 03:47 AM
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title of the video: []() Goth Gold Digger Exploits Beta Husband | Financial Audit brutal. she looks better, but if you watch the whole thing, she is lowkey abusive of him (just financially from what i remember) and kinda belittles him. which makes sense. she looks way better than him, and can hold that over him and he puts up with it cuz shes pretty. and maybe he lacks other options, but he doesn't look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 02:56 AM
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most couples are looksmatched. leagues are real. i dont think they exist just for looks either but of course looks are the "primary" league.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 02:49 AM
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if there is no initial attraction then no, there is nothing to build upon. not even for women. if you at least find them somewhat attractive then yeah maybe but i would say the same happens for men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 02:46 AM
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> women build attraction over time xD ts is frying me bro
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:54 AM
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wurd
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:36 AM
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ok yeah i think i see what you mean. i still think thats important for a relationship, regardless of whether or not she actually jumps on yo dih, its still important to have those feelings for you partner ykwim? if it makes u feel any better having anyone interested in u at all beats me so. could be worse. best of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:20 AM
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ok well im regarded so. i see what you mean though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:16 AM
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no. im sure there's some shit i think (and potentially even many other people think) is true that some smarty pants know it all scientist is like "well ackshually". plus i think alot of people subconsciously agree with what im saying. they just don't want to admit it or care to discuss it at all. and i imagine some people, if exposed to these ideas, would agree. again, bluepill is supposed to be this "default". that doesn't mean its true.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:07 AM
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idek what tf a pink piller is tbh. mind explaining?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:04 AM
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i know he isnt, but ur saying women would date this guy cuz he's the safe option. not cause they actually want to be with him or are attracted to him. surely this is bait?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:03 AM
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> he looks like he would be too unattractive to cheat. is this ragebait LOL? or are you blackpilling me unintentionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:57 AM
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not necessarily wrong so much as they dont bother looking/thinking deeper.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:43 AM
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of course, but what im saying is that i dont think they typically look like that. unless that guy is super tall, then maybe. or some other niche like he has a huge penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:42 AM
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never joined the AWDTSG groups, idk where to find them, but the tea app leak showed the most popular men looked exactly how you think. im not sure im convinced.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:33 AM
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bluepill is what normies THINK the real world is, and how they THINK it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:26 AM
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of course bro :D honestly i haven't given up yet, i got some cosmetic surgeries in store for the future so i will see where those take me. who knows i feel you on the demonstrate intelligence thing LOL. i thought, back when i was bluepilled, if i got the highest grades in my classes and tutored others and helped people with classwork that women would actually care about that. not that i did it specifically for women, but a part of me thought women (or a woman) would take notice and actually care…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:24 AM
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> Side note that this is why men want raw attraction, to get sex and not relationships or love. raw attraction is necessary for sexual attraction, which isn't needed for just FWB's but also for actual romantic love. either way i would say ride it out like you said, especially if you don't often meet guys like that who your genuinely super attracted to. if you meet guys like this all the time then IDK its up to you at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:05 AM
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its awful. you get treated worse, by everyone. family members, strangers, friends, boyfriends/girlfriends/wives/husbands. financially you are worse off, as you will get paid less on average and also passed up for promotions more often. not to mention, of course, dating is going to suck for you. attracting people in the first place is going to be difficult. attracting a good person who is looking for a good healthy relationship, who is actually sexually attracted to you, will be VERY hard. and al…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:56 PM
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ye of course thats why physical attractiveness matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:35 PM
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i unironically think ugly people should qualify for gov't benefits and monies. like how is it not a physical disability that affects you socially, financially and mentally? give em some money and fuck it maybe one day we will see cosmetic surgery be paid for by the govvy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:27 PM
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yeah probably honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 10:43 PM
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"betabux doesn't exist bro"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 10:05 PM
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if your overweight start hitting the gym. lose fat and put on muscle. bad skin can be fixed. is it acne/acne scars? that can be fixed. the bald can even be fixed. depending on how much hair you have left you can do a hair transplant. if not then you can look into hair systems. that would also fix the head shape issue. im not going to sit here and tell you that fixing this will solve all your dating issues, but i think its a start. at the end of the day looks matter when it comes to dating. it su…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:53 PM
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LOL crazy how?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:32 PM
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honestly i think both the red and blue pill are detached from reality, particularly the further you get into them. just be physically attractive, interesting, and not shitty if u want ur relationships to last and be worthwhile. boom. that is the most important parts of all the pills in one sentence. if you lack any of those, work on it, if you can't necessarily fix it, then accept your relationships are going to suffer to some extent (on avg). dark triad this and "just be yourself" that. just ig…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:17 PM
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would a part of masculinity not be looking the part? kind of hard to be seen as masculine if your short, skinny, and ugly. lets not pretend like masculinity isn't affected by looks. i think its good to be masculine, but if you don't look the part, women generally speaking aren't going to care. looks attract and personality keeps as they always say. you need both.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:08 PM
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the "bad boys" thing isnt about them actually being bad, they might not be bad at all, its just hot guys not needing to care or commit to anything because they are attractive to the point where they don't have to. yes really? most women will say they are hard-pressed to find a guy they actually think is attractive, which is totally fine, but it does seem to be the case. ive heard this IRL, online (including on reddit threads), etc etc. women talk about how hard it is to find hot guys all the tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:03 PM
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i have heard so many people, both on the internet irl, say that same thing. "women's priorities change" "i used to want guys who were bad for me" "women mature and want different things". i mean naturally women want a guy who can provide AND is physically attractive, but the idea is that one of those are MUCH harder to achieve, since there are so few guys who are found physically attractive by women. i don't know the number of people who are truly ugly/physically unappealing. i would say somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 08:46 PM
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this makes some sense. one thing ive always noticed is how many couples get (and stay) together cause of loneliness. no one wants to be alone. especially not forever. i dont think these types of relationships are that great either though, probably not as bad as the betabux typically, but of course not really great. i still wouldn't say these couples "love" eachother. they just "love" not being alone, which again is better than someone simply "loving" your money i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 08:39 PM
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> becabetabux has nothing do do with looks yeah and epstein killed himself. i mean come on now lets be real. if your physically undesirable, there are other means of getting a partner (like financial stability). but those other means aren't going to actually generate sexual attraction. hence betabux. even normies know about this stuff when they say "women mature and stop caring about looks when they get older".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 08:33 PM
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yeah i kind of agree. if your an ugly guy and you want kids what choice do you have. its either be alone forever or fork over hundreds of thousands of dollars or get into a loveless relationship where you can at least have kids. i disagree about the good people skills though. i think it just comes down to physical attractiveness (or the lack thereof).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 08:26 PM
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even normies admit betabux is a thing. "just wait until your older and women care less about looks and more about stability!" i agree that men are able to leave bad relationships, but if your ugly/physically unappealing i suppose what option do you have aside from betabux.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 08:23 PM
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Especially when we are talking about subreddits and other places literally specifically set up for people to rant and air out their frustrations. Like yeah people are going to seem upset on forums like that. Everyone likes to vent, cause at the end of the day we all have shit going on and it helps to talk about it and get it off our chest.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:53 AM
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People on Reddit pretend like it’s impossible to act one way around one group of people and another way around a different group of people. It genuinely makes me wonder if some redditors ever have had friends their age. Or maybe they act and say the same things around their parents/grandparents/etc as they do their friends? I doubt it, most people really don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:47 AM
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