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So why is that? Obviously these guys must find her attractive to have sex with her, and some of them hit her up each weekend sharing memes and stuff...why not just make it official? Wanting to fuck someone is not the same as liking them as a person. Men really want sex, and will hook up with almost any woman to get it. But men's standards for relationships are much higher than their standards for just sex. The average man will sleep with a fat woman, but will only actually commit to a woman who'…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 12:11 AM
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Being perpetually online and isolated got dudes into this situation False. Everyone went to school and most work, the guys were out in the world, they just didn't know how to make anything happen out there. Not everyone's social skills improve in every way necessary just from being around people, some guys need extra information, and that's what the red pill offers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:45 PM
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Do you think the men magically become worth staying with in their 30s? Or do many women stop dating around at that point for some other reason? We as men do the same so why are they hoes? It’s called character development. This is hateful rhetoric that comes from red pill men who are often basement dwellers. Bizarre excerpt. You claim women shouldn't be judged because men do the same thing, but then acknowledge a group of men who very much aren't doing these things (basement dwellers). Labeling …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:22 AM
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In a way though there's no socially acceptable solution, since the more online dating becomes the norm the less "appropriate" pursuing women in real life will be seen. That'll scare many decent guys who care about how people feel off from approaching in real life. But then they'll see themselves getting no matches online either. They'll wonder what the "right" way to find women is. And absent any morally proper solution, they'll either drop out or go RP, neither option being great for society at…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:45 AM
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People are simply severely underrating how isolated the men complaining on the internet are. An ugly woman who gets no attention is usually avoiding the night life and dating apps. The complaining guy could visit these venues and still get the same 0 attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:26 AM
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They also blame women for being in abusive relationships, single mums and also shame women who have high N counts. Surely all of these things would have been avoided by having higher standards? They have high standards for looks/money/status/charm, not for decent behavior. I think there is already an issue of women in their early 30s lowering their standards because they’re desperate to be married and have kids etc and down the line it leads to the huge divorce rate we have, resentment, cheating…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:35 AM
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I get that it’s not an average man’s type, but why alienate a whole group of women? It harms the cause of those who seek women’s acceptance themselves, especially guys who are short like me. Sexuality is not reciprocal. It's zero-sum. While men's standards are decreasing, women's are increasing. The more proper weight men are willing to get with heavy women, the less heavy women feel the need to get with their equivalent heavy men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:29 AM
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If it was easier for me to sleep with overweight women I might, but since it's equally difficult due to my social limitations I don't see the point. Might as well just stick to women my size.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:10 PM
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I don't get over it. I just try to avoid people who sleep around. Hookup culture comes off shallow and brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:13 PM
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Who are you asking to explain it? Neither pill denies that this happens. TRP simply says the men may be making questionable marital choices out of a desperation for companionship. Are promiscuous women really the "last choice" or people are plain wrong? How do you know whether these men had non-promiscuous women to choose from instead? For example you list a nerdy guy, and they don't tend to have a broad set of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 02:10 PM
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That's only one of three problems. Modern women: Have higher standards than before, as you say. Do not fully elaborate on these standards. They typically only give advice on how to be a nice boyfriend guy, and not about how to be a sexy hookup guy. They often even shame guys who try to teach guys how to be the latter. This is problematic now because people settle down into marriages much later than in the past, and are expected to build experience playing the field beforehand. Themselves offer l…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:49 AM
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Those men are performing for the wrong crowd, they should be spending time with similarly quiet and reflective women. Problem is the hyper men have no filter and are also going after those women, despite the personality mismatch. The calm men are potentially still overshadowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 09:38 AM
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So basically what I'm trying to say is guys who are attracted to 18 year old's despite their own age are gross and women who fuck any guy are gross. This is just how it works. So men out there who openly admit they are attracted to 18 yr old girls like its a good thing but then condemn promiscuous girls need a reality check. So how to avoid high N women while strictly dating women around your own age? It gets increasingly difficult the older you get. A "reality check" is meaningless if it's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 09:03 PM
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You don't have to worry about men being furious with you because you didn't want to be with them. No guarantee of that. Some men feel that because she is ugly that she should be honored that he wants (to sleep with) her, and that if she refuses him she must fit the "delusional modern woman" stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:23 PM
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Statistics change over time, past generation figures won't be relevant to the next generation if the situation changes (and some suspect it to be worsening). Also, men don't want to be largely alone until 30 and then be stuck marrying the type of woman who ignored them and dated completely different partners in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:07 PM
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Wouldn’t they be the competition? Only for women both groups target. But successful alphas tend to stick to high tier women, since they have no real reason to go lower. It's lazy alphas who'll explictly go for "easy" women, like bored wives looking for an adventure. Yes I’m well aware losers exist, I just didn’t know they were envied by successful men. No matter how independently successful a guy may be he's liable to get frustrated when other types of men receive more female attention. It's the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:01 AM
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So a man’s only goal in life is to fuck? So a tall man could make a good living and a good happy life for himself but he figures why bother I get pussy. So is fucking is more important to attractive people than goals and accomplishments? Everyone is different, as said there are plenty of successful alphas, who had other passions and motivations in life that led them to excel. But for a subset of men, absolutely, the only (or at least main) goal in life is to get laid. These guys would just chill…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:14 AM
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I don't get the, "these problems have always been around and nothing happened" logic when countless governments have been overthrown and had their countries dissolved over major social problems. This is a unique time where it probably won't happen due to pacifying technological advancements and modern militaries being too strong to challenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 12:51 AM
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Why would an alpha only be sexually successful? Because he doesn't need to be anything else. A tall guy could make more money than his shorter equivalent if he wanted to, but he simply doesn't have to do so to get laid. The deadbeat alpha gets by fine. And the successful alpha guy is limited by the fact that hard work takes time and requires rest; there are simply less hours in the day for him to fool around with women than his deadbeat alpha equivalent. Additionally, he has a reputation to main…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 12:30 AM
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If anything within that logic it's men who are in control since they can approach whoever they want This is like saying the job applicant is in control instead of the interviewer.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 12:12 AM
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I have no idea. I'm a political leftist but I'm also heavily aboard TRP. I don't see any way of cleaning it up in a way that feminist liberals would accept, at a certain point it becomes narrative over fact with them. Since they want to heavily discourage some of the behavior TRP encourages (for understandable logical reasons) they seem forced to deny or downplay the benefits of them. And I wouldn't even have a problem with this if there were no consequences, but the average man just isn't inher…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:14 PM
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But if the guy isn't the type who's ever screwed over a woman himself then her caution is punishing him purely for the actions of others. It's still not something to expect a guy who's lived with moral virtue to put up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:54 AM
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Not remotely weird if you also have little to no experience. Wanting partners with similar lifestyles to you will never be a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:53 PM
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so it’s better for my time and theirs to only pick dudes who I know I’m attracted to from jump And this is what every man wants to be, the guy who a woman knows she's attracted to from jump. Being stuck fishing for "compatibility" all the time is so lame. A woman you had to convince to like you will never be as comforting as a woman who always did. If a guy's height is preventing him from finding the latter type of woman, it's as big of a problem as people say it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:14 PM
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-“I’m short and women reject me all the time because of my height”. This means one of two things: either you’re just assuming a girl doesn’t like you because of your height or you’re very very short like 5’7 or below. 5'7 is literally only 2 inches below the average, if that's where "very very short" starts then nobody's exaggerating the height issue at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:03 PM
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Thing is these cults in politics generally run heavily counter to scientific data and instead thrive off of base emotional biases. They're often forced to claim that the research is "fake news" comissioned by globalist oligarchs and the like. One can free themselves of their grip by simply educating themselves on reality. The unique problem with the manosphere is that even if you remove the cult aspects the data that leads to them still remains. At best the studies are slightly cherrypicked and …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:00 PM
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This is about getting young men first to explain and combat red pill influence because it's growing at an alarming rate Why? The benefit (making men likelier to get laid) outweighs the drawback (men saying rude things about women). If people want TRP to go away they need to provide an alternative that achieves similar results. Nobody following it cares about how much it annoys women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 10:12 PM
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Well ideally the "losers" as you put it could just meet other "losers" who didn't party, and pair up. But the problem seems to be that way more men got thrown in the loser pile than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:46 PM
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I think what men need to realize is that you should use your youth and dont just jump on the sigma male grindset for twenty years It's not a choice. Obviously most people would prefer to succeed now rather than later.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:38 PM
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In the face of that kind of inconsistency and mixed messages, you can't expect women to change their behavior, or care about men's opinions. That's the point, traditionalists miss the days when there was a consistent message that purity was good. Nowadays the message is mixed. Progressives want there to be a new consistent message that exploration is good, but since a big number of men don't get to explore anyway, that message will never universally stick. Guys with 0-3 bodies often don't want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:26 PM
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Many men will take the scraps of sex they can get without being tied to one woman forever, regardless of how much of a hassle it is to find, and not fuss too much. The main casualties of hookup culture are: guys who don't get laid at all. At least in purity culture this was more respected. guys who don't get laid prior to the marriage cycle anyway. It's the same as before for them, but instead with older and harder to please women who didn't save themselves. men who want stable relationships in …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:08 AM
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Men don't care about the difference if both types are still more successful than the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 10:38 AM
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There's no ick, but there's still the possibility that the prior husband was her one true love and you're just there because he literally died.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 10:15 AM
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You also argued that men who aren't so interested in sex aren't so interested in relationships, suggesting it's sex that men want and relationships are just a byproduct. The OP simply says that the men less interested in sex are less likely to approach. That doesn't mean they don't want relationships. Plenty of women never approach men but still want relationships. When you value someone as a person and not purely for looks/sex then rejection hurts more, and thus these men are more passive than …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 02:10 AM
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Gang members, rapists, thugs, and shooters are a minority of men. The entire prison population is a minority of men. If a guy is complaining about some annoying common behavior of women it's bizarre to respond with how a subset of men commit heinous crimes. The guy complaining is probably not one of those men. Statistically he's more likely to have been some form of victim of their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 01:50 AM
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Honestly if you're not a guy who values all the beautification stuff women do it really does feel like a lot of them aren't putting enough in. I'd explictly pursue women with no makeup, basic hairdos, generic fashion, no heels, etc. if it meant not having to do all the nauseating stuff in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 05:24 PM
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A relationship failing carries less consequence than a marriage failing. If I don't expect things to last I'd rather not put myself at risk of a legal battle over finances beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 01:29 PM
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lose all of her sexual value Nobody said that. It's impossible for a woman to lose all sexual value. What drops is the quality of her options.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 04:42 AM
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The problem with this logic, which is usually used for women but in this case for Chad, is that it's still better than 1. nothing or 2. having to bust your ass for every scrap you get. They're still heavily enjoying the sex, hence why they keep having it. It doesn't have to be perfect sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 04:37 AM
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Guys. Would you date someone who is boring, timid, and not funny? Yes. And she doesn't need to be highly attractive either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 08:32 AM
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A man often needs the red pill because he was bad with women to begin with, so obviously a bunch are virgins. That's silly to point out. But TRP provides basic social information the guy in the 1st point doesn't have (and isn't taught by politically correct blue pillers), tells the guy in the 3rd point when he needs to be more assertive, and gives the guy in the 5th point advice on how to improve his look. X virginal guy's prospects are better with TRP than without.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 08:22 AM
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Men would sleep with women who had each of the traits the OP lists, so it kinda is an opposite sex thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 08:14 AM
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I see these stunning women in social media with unbelievable beauty, women with unbelievable bodies, women I consider charming, women that are what I believe are what men that could have anyone would like to date. They aren't. Many top relationship-minded men want humble, reserved women. Not the ones hyper focused on looks and showing off on the internet. Some men will sleep with those women, but prefer to actually date a traditional woman instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 03:24 AM
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The equivalent to a woman used for sex is a man used for attention and favors. If someone has no value whatsoever then people just won't associate with them at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 03:18 AM
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Is the US really that bad? Yes. You really think better looking guys than you with more options are banging all these girls you don’t want ?? When they have better options than you? Yes. Consider the fact that obese women have higher promiscuity rates. ( https://news.yale.edu/2010/11/04/obesity-and-risky-sexual-behavior-are-linked-young-women ) Below average men cannot have casual sex with any frequency. So the men who are sleeping with these overweight women have to be above those men in some w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:20 PM
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Basically, women have always had high standards, they were just forced to lower them in the past in order to survive. Women like status. Men as a whole had higher status in the past. While yes it was an artificial boost, no the women were not necessarily just settling; she may have genuinely been attracted based on how high her husband's status was relative to her own. Instead of complaining that things have gotten too hard, men should simply step up. But in terms of qualities men are actually a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:22 AM
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Non-alpha men wouldn't be on forums looking for answers if modern society wasn't already penalizing them to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:05 AM
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Effort needs to be incentivized. If the likelihood is failure regardless, the less effort the better. There has to be a realistic prospect of success for it to be worth the time and energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:12 PM
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Yea this just exposes what y’all value because what? If she’s in a relationship with you you actually got the better deal unless you only value her for sex in which case I guess you are telling on yourself. That's missing the point. Plenty of men are fine with waiting for sex with the right women. But just not with women who had casual with Chad. It's about not putting up with being treated less desirably than men who didn't even commit. Deserve it? Interesting choice of words. And this is based…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:02 PM
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Simply put, for the majority of human history men have been able to put in minimum effort for maximum reward Men were expected to work, commit, and provide before sex. The complaint is not about effort for intimacy, it's about a normal dude's effort meaning fuck all in the modern environment compared to a 6 foot handsome guy or some unemployed junkie with thug status. Whether they want it that way or not, women are now on an equal playing field. There is still no equality in this context since w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:34 AM
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You misunderstand the complaint about AF/BB. It's not about how how hard AFs worked (it wildly varies), or about how some guys are stuck as BBs. It's about how the woman in AF/BB treats AF better than BB. Treating a hookup better than the man she literally expects to be with her for life. Many men are fine with being BB for women who deserve it. As in, women who only ever got intimate in loving relationships, showing that they hold all men to similar emotional standards regardless of how sexy th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:07 AM
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They bring up that all their daughters are smart, hardworking, kind, and beautiful while a lot of the boys they work with or see in church spend all their time playing video games and expect a lot of their life to be easy. They have no drive. They are less likely to want to go to college. Most of the girls are outperforming them in school and sports and even just socially. Modern society doesn't give men much incentive to excel. 50 years ago working hard and being kind was highly likely to earn …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:23 AM
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You can’t tell these men “well you should have expected it, you went for her when you could have been with a nice girl who’d treat you right”. Because there probably weren't any nice girls available to him. It's commonly known that most men want gentle submissive women. If a guy's dating someone who isn't like that it's often because he couldn't find anyone better. Women generally don't want gentle submissive men, and the personality traits they're attracted to instead are more likely to be held…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:18 AM
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She can read up on the identifying behaviors. Unlike women a man usually doesn't even try to hide that he gets around.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:00 PM
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Yeah I haven't seen shaved genitals outside of porn so that's definitely not something I'm going around expecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:46 PM
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But there's still no evidence of a competent system. It's entirely possible that a woman can dodge "truly heinous" men through simple logical deduction. There's no scientific data suggesting that some "women's intuition" is required or effective. Additionally, behaving like a criminal has never decreased someone's chances of being arrested. But plenty of men have reported improved standings with women after incorporating morally unsavory aspects of the red pill into their behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:57 PM
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In most cases, it does not. Men largely care about looks and personality. We weren't conditioned to value female status, since for most of human history women rarely had any (beyond ties to powerful relatives). But there are exceptions. A successful man may desire women with similar life experiences. And some men may have fetishes for successful women. But, overall, it's rarely a factor. Still a 5? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:52 AM
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What you guys really want from us is for us to accept the date and pay. But if paying becomes the norm, accepting the date will become even more rare. Because accepting the date is usually a very close judgement call on something that could turn out good or bad...and twenty bucks kept in our pocket instead of spent on a plate of limp spaghetti and a glass of wine is twenty bucks still in our pocket and that's always always good. A guy would probably prefer not to go on a date at all than to wast…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:40 AM
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I'd argue that the guy's obesity was a red flag she should've avoided. Not every "undesirable" trait is a signal that one's a great person deep down. Gluttony's one of the seven sins.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:15 AM
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A woman is more likely to be passing over a nice guy than a man is to be passing over a nice girl. For many men the choice is bad girls or nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 02:00 AM
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If a single guy is handsome people assume he could've been not single if he wanted. If he's not he's assumed to have no game. A guy who obviously had to settle is seen as lower than the single by choice guy but higher than the dude who can't even get an ugly girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:00 AM
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Someone doesn't need to be more desirable than you to feel like they're settling for you, they just need to have been with someone more desirable than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 12:45 AM
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I've found that status/preselection/etc. works best in the absence of good looks, but that's obviously difficult to achieve. The only stuff you can directly do, without relying on other people gassing you up, is work on your looks and game.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 07:30 AM
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Because getting with AFs can result in a long-term decrease of happiness, increase in demands, and resentment towards men. BB then has to put up with this despite causing none of the problems himself. And relationships work best when the partners share a similar sexual history. AF/BB puts a woman way out of sync with most men who'd seriously date her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 04:42 AM
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The problem is assuming that's the universal cause for the preference, instead of some men just wanting partners who are likely to have stable relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:56 PM
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If it was exclusively internet outcasts then people wouldn't bother complaining about slut shaming, since it'd only be coming from irrelevant people. People complain about behavior encountered in real life from people who matter. N count often isn't an issue, but can become one with either hypocritical Chads who refuse to date the women they sleep with, or guys who never had casual sex themselves and become uncomfortable dating women who did. Plenty of women have reported running into guys like …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:08 AM
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The rich want more money now. They don't care if it results in less money later. The dudes behind the cultural shift are dead, and many of the guys profiting now will also be dead by the time the consequences become unbearable. The ones left holding the bag are us.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:52 AM
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Other women don't present a risk to a man's paternity, so men aren't conditioned to care about woman-on-woman counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:26 AM
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The guy in OP's story managed to get a date off an app (high competition), so he probably isn't inexperienced. It's simply a case where many men care while many men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:08 AM
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I've heard military veterans complaining but I don't know any from special forces or any pro athletes. It goes without saying that guys with status and money wouldn't generally have anything to complain about though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 12:28 AM
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The amount of men who are stringent about their types is pathetically small compared to the amount of men who aren't, so yeah even LVM are closer to representing "men" overall than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:40 PM
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In a traditional environment men weren't also competing for resources with women, though. It's more people fighting for less scraps now. I see even buff manual labor types complaining nowadays, so it's probably not just the testosterone dip.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:35 PM
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Thing is men aren't the ones claiming that there's a moral component to sexuality. They will fully admit that who they find sexy is based on how she looks and how flirtatious she is. How good of a person she is does not matter. Women are the ones who tell men who are struggling with sparking initial attraction things like, "start treating women like people and not objects," "being nice is the bare minimum," and "women can sense your toxic personality," even though guys like Brown and Tate consta…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 10:53 AM
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Prostitution is completely different, it's always been around, but a man's liable to refuse it for multiple possible reasons: STD risk sleeping with someone who's not into it isn't fun it feels financially/sexually exploitative they don't want to pay for activity most people get free stigma against promiscuous women; hookers are "icky" A hypothetical fake AI robot girlfriend doesn't have all the same issues, she's clean and programmed to want her maintainer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 08:19 AM
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One of the impressions i get from a lot of dudes, is that they don’t really seem to like women, they don’t seem to enjoy their company, value their dreams and aspirations, they seem to think that women are stupid, boring and not funny. Some of the guys who do care about those things often end up as "just friends" because they took too long getting to know her before making any moves, and get worn down by the constant rejection from multiple women who he actually values as people on a deeper leve…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 05:58 AM
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10 is ridiculous, that rarely even happens in porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 05:04 AM
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That's a meaningless observation. I believe in the red pill but I have severe disagreements with conservatives on various cultural and economic matters that would prevent me from ever supporting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 04:54 AM
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Sounds fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 04:29 AM
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Definitely one of the core problems with blue pill rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 04:23 AM
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Most don't specifically want one but just aren't outright rejecting them. It's too difficult to find quality partners to turn a woman down for wanting to be a stay at home parent. And there are benefits like a lower divorce rate and higher likelihood of actually wanting kids. My mother stayed at home (until she couldn't, lol), we were just poor. That's life sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 04:17 AM
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Simple fact is that men operate on incentives and results. If there's a rise in men slacking off then there's been a decrease in the amount of success that society promises in response to putting an effort in.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 03:36 AM
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Honestly I never want to hear about men slacking again when most single women can't meet the simple expectations of being childless and not overweight. Even when not discriminating by race, height, or income it's still an uphill battle.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 01:38 AM
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Women don't need to be open to anyone's advances. Just don't incoporate someone's looks into a judgment of their moral character. If you're the type of person who thinks "ugly people should know their place" why would anyone even care what you feel? That is not the stance a decent person takes. In that case, be creeped out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 12:37 AM
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Almost every PPD woman seems to have one, just goes to show why there's such a disconnect in discussions here. Most men are living very different social realities.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:28 AM
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As long as there are successful toxic men, and unsuccessful decent men, you can't. Guys who get away with it don't care (why be respectful when he doesn't have to? He may even believe women like his current behavior), and guys struggling on step 1 don't care (why focus on being respectful when it provides no direct benefit to his social life? He's going to prioritize learning behavior that makes him more sexually enticing instead). Society needs to actually encourage positive masculinity with re…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 04:47 AM
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For the average straight woman, there isn't an opportunistic aspect since you are the gatekeeper, and it's not going to be the underlying motivation for ambitions in your life, since there's knowledge that as long as men's opportunism exists,the options remain a lot more open. By definition that's making use of men. Just passively. She knows they exist as a safety net, so she can work on herself without risk. Men just don't get to passively use women for anything themselves since men are expecte…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 07:09 PM
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I really don't get how it's bad for men to not like tall women but fine for women to not like short men. BP struggles with consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:56 PM
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And depending on how immature your social environment is, other men may reinforce any blow to the ego. For example an uncle of mine is still mocked by the ruder relatives in the family for ultimately marrying an "easy" woman the boys had only introduced him to in order to get him laid. Similarly back when I was a student just being friendly with known "easy" women would get me giggles and smug remarks from some of the popular guys. I wasn't even dating these women, but the simple idea that I may…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:36 PM
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It's a lost cause because the red pill are largely correct and the black pill is just the pessimistic opposite of the blue pill (and thus equally resistant to real information). Not for any of this fantasy that somehow a RP guy can be less competition for women than he was before going RP, considering he probably only went RP because he wasn't doing great with women to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:08 PM
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Thing is gaining wealth is a more streamlined process than basically changing your whole personality, and while money always has value the value of a relationship where you're not remotely being yourself is questionable. If your goal is simply casual sex, it's all fine; you don't need to be loved for who you are by a hookup. But relationships are where the question of the juice being worth the squeeze arises.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:38 AM
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If dating apps don't get you any matches where you are, but would in another country (based on reports), it wouldn't be odd for you to consider moving to that country. However the whole idea strikes me as a bit of a pipe dream. You realise that even if you find your dream woman who is willing to be submissive and a trad wife… she will expect a traditional husband. The financial burden will be entirely on you. Suggest splitting the bill over dinner she’ll laugh in your face. The bolded is already…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 10:17 PM
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Literally, just get a decent haircut. Have a pleasant smile. Wear a normal, plain shirt. Have a photo with normal lighting. SOMEONE will match with you The gender ratios of online dating (70% men, 30% women at best) make it so that some men won't get a response no matter what they do. Some of the guys who post on the dating app subs saying they get no matches have professionally done photos and look like they could be actors. There just aren't enough women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:51 AM
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More women becoming promiscuous doesn't do anything for men who aren't deemed fit for casual sex. If you're not some sexy assertive guy all this recommendation does is further reduce the amount of women you can seriously date.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 04:15 AM
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Money matters for men who already passed the bare minimum requirements for masculine personality traits and looks. Unfortunately there's little way to skip step 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:52 AM
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The US isn't Eastern Europe. There's a reason why even a guy as "successful" as Tate left the US for Romania.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:28 PM
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RP only exists because men were already struggling with women. It's bizarre how some people want to present it as the cause of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:25 PM
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It's not that no men like women on a personal level, it's just that some of the ones who do get left behind in dating. The dudes who wait to see if a woman has a good personality before they pursue her tend to lose out to the dudes who immediately pursue her based on looks. The rush to "reveal your intentions" and "make a move" before the window closes, with minimal information, doesn't leave enough time for many men to consider how smart or funny a woman is. Women may think men use dates to "ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:15 PM
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And It really makes me sad as a woman and I started to distant myself from every male in my life, including my long term boyfriend whom I met when I was 15. The men who find a girlfriend early and stay committed to her typically aren't the ones who just want sex. Pill rhetoric generally revolves around single men and women. A man who's single by choice is quite often focused on casual sex. But that probably doesn't apply to your boyfriend in a stable long-term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:27 AM
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So for people who like this content, why is it a huge thing in manoshpere? If you find older women less attractive that's your right, just why obsess over people you don't even want to date? They probably want to date the younger equivalents of these women, but feel they're being passed over for superficial reasons. They wish more younger women prioritized love and stability with the men open to marrying them over lust and fun with other men who are only available for sex, instead of waiting unt…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:04 AM
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I have no interest in befriending Chads and I still don't see what I'm supposed to be blaming them for. We used to have a culture where men kept their own sexual behavior in check. People got it thrown out for being too repressive. So this is where we are. There are two ways for society to (effectively) punish men for their actions: Deny them social acceptance, or deny them sexual success. The former stopped once society embraced sex-positivity. The latter is impossible, since by definition fuck…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 04:28 AM
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Women have never denied the importance of mutual physical attraction and chemistry. Every time someone assumes an outcast is only alone because of a toxic personality, high standards, etc. they're neglecting the possibility that the outcast just isn't sexually desirable. Plenty of people do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 12:50 AM
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I genuinely feel the question is fine and that the people who have an issue with it are the ones who are too sensitive. If I think sex is for love and relationships should last there's no reason I should waste time with someone who feels differently. There's nothing wrong with seeking partners who share your own lifestyle and values. If you think otherwise you're out of your mind. But rarely do people ask blunt questions in dating. You don't ask if someone has a STD, you ask when they've been te…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 12:09 AM
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Just shows that these guys know how absurd it is to ask this No, we just acknowledge that the question would be received poorly. The woman may even be offended. Men would be blunt about a ton of things if it was acceptable to do so. If upon meeting I immediately asked a woman if she's sexually attracted to me, I feel that's just getting to the point, but since I know women largely don't consider that appropriate or smooth I don't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 10:04 PM
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While the wife is attractive and responsible, in most of these sitcoms she rarely has sex with the husband, which would sour a man on his marriage regardless of other factors. Or less often, the wife is sexually available, but contributes nothing else to the marriage (doesn't work, cook, or clean) and basically just exists as a trophy. Unless the guy is a sugar daddy he won't be happy with that either. If the partners were perfect there wouldn't be much comedy to be had, hence them exclusively b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 09:46 PM
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The men in their 30s here are largely chasing women in their 20s after themselves not getting to date many at that age. Are they supposed to just do without forever, in favor of other men? The world isn't that nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 09:28 AM
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Assume that the woman in her 30s is attractive and fit and that she is single at this age because she was late bloomer who didn’t start dating until late and whose only relationship didn’t work out That woman is fine. Most single 30 year olds aren't like her.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 09:23 AM
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Women don't also have to worry about putting themselves out there They don't have to initiate conversations, arrange dates, or physically escalate. They can, but it's not necessary. The extent to which they have to "put themselves out there" is dress up in the privacy of their home and then show up at a social venue. Or make a dating app profile. I guess being in a coffee shop where women exist constitutes maximum effort these days. How many men get approached for just "being in" a coffee shop? …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 08:38 AM
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I can also bet there are people who would reply "well I don't expect all that of women, they just need to do the bare minimum" which is exactly what women say about men. The bare minimum for men is higher and less consistently defined than the bare minimum for women (being nice and sexually available).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 08:30 AM
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It seems extremely weird that people should be penalized simply because they don't meet someone that they like, as having a long-term relationship keeps body counts down. If I'm looking for someone who's easy to please then naturally I'd avoid those who struggle to like the people they meet. Some people want to have sex once a month, or less, and others get irritable if they don't have it everyday. They should each date people who feel similarly. Personally I believe in sex as an expression of l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:14 AM
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Blue pill gaslighting just isn't consistent. If it were consistently applied then every gender-related social issue is actually just a skill issue on the part of the complainer.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 05:57 PM
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Most men manage to have sex, so it looks like incels are a loud but tiny minority. 27%-30% of young men have gone at least a year without sex. "Tiny" is just false.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 05:54 AM
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Further complicating matters is that some people's claims just don't match their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 01:08 AM
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I don’t see tall woman bitching and moaning since they are also at a biological disadvantage Because: There are less men unwilling to date tall women than there are women unwilling to date short men. Often, it's the tall woman limiting her own pool by not dating any men shorter than her, and of course she wouldn't complain about her own standards. Women are allowed the passive role in dating, so a tall woman doesn't have to constantly face rejection for being tall. A short man often hears, "it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 09:55 PM
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To start with, up to 30% of young men don't have sex at all in a calendar year. That's nearly a 3rd of them you can write out of the "happy dating life" stat off the bat. Of the 70% who remain, it's hasty to assume they're all happy. Some could be in a dead bedroom situation where sex only happens once a month. Others could have to take dozens of rejections and pay for dozens of dates just to close the deal once. Even if a guy gets laid, if he's waiting long periods and/or struggling immensely t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 09:18 PM
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How do you expect to get laid living with your parents? Ask the guys who get laid in that scenario. If the neighborhood drug dealer is bringing a different girl to his mom's basement every week it's a tough sell to tell a decent guy he needs a whole job, education, and overpriced apartment just to date even one woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 08:40 AM
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Whereas it is undeniably true, there is no point to be bitter of others' privileges or accomplishments. Being mad at what others have and you do not is a one-way ticket to the bitter-bus which is the most unattractive trait of all. But one can absolutely be mad when others lie about the privileges not existing, and personally blame the people without them for what's simply a lack of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:23 AM
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She claimed to be a huge whore in her past (I believed her, no shit) and she lied to her fiancee about her pretending to be an inexperienced LTR only type of girl. Can't trust anyone nowadays. She said she wanted "an equal relationship", and going down on her fiancee while he was standing up felt "degrading" and an "act of submission" for her, and she didn't want her partner to see her like that. This here is social justice gone wild. So on top of standard AFBB we'll also have modern women tryin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 04:29 PM
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If you "prove" something it's by definition a fact, not a delusion. Adaptation and improvement are always admirable goals, but they can be pursued without ignoring reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 04:08 PM
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Game worked best back when dating was strictly a matter of proximity and all you had to do was be the most interesting guy in the room. But then online dating became popular. And now you're competing against not just the guys at the bar/club that night but also the guys all across the city. Smooth talk alone often cannot put you ahead of all those options.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 03:54 PM
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The manosphere isn't men's rights. It shouldn't be compared to feminism, but rather women's dating spaces like FDS and Diabla, which are similarly amoral and exploitative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 11:04 PM
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$100k puts you above the average income in any state of the US, and having a Masters puts you far above the average man's status. If you're average in every other way (not short, not fat, not particularly ugly, not a less favored race in the area, etc.) you are naturally going to slay. I live in the city too, and for me it just means more competition. If dudes like you are on the apps, dudes like me won't be getting the matches lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 10:23 AM
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Red pill says women only like the top 20%, and men like most women. Red pill says women are each only sexually attracted to a small amount of men while men are sexually attracted to most women. By saying a woman is "average" one is saying that while many men will be interested in sleeping with her, less will be interested in seriously dating her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 10:06 AM
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More people give women's standards a pass than men's. Asking a man how tall they are is socially acceptable, but asking a woman how much they weigh isn't. You can use a height filter in online dating, but you can't use a weight filter. If I put "no fat chicks" on my profile I'd probably get banned but "no short guys" is fine. Etc. Anyway why do people keep mentioning weight in response to height? You can always lose weight but you can't gain height as an adult, fatness is a lot more inconvenient…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 07:52 AM
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You go to NYC or LA and it has a disproportionately higher number of high value men because those men tend to flock to those cities. Does it matter? The population of those cities is larger in general, so the amount of women also increases. No matter where they go the "HVM" will be too low in supply for all the women who want them (and even for all the women who'd genuinely interest them, since men's standards are looser than women's); competition for them will just be greater in high population…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 09:05 PM
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Mathematically that doesn't make much sense though. I'm sure some of those men are better looking than some of the women who are unavailable to them. Women just do not have to settle for men strictly on their level in the modern dating environment. The more casual they're willing to go, the less bound they are to intimate parity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 06:15 PM
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The majority of women end up caring about financial stability at some point, though. There's no guarantee that a woman who likes your money doesn't posess the negative traits listed in the OP. The advice is simply meant to help you avoid exploitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 07:31 PM
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The bad relationship there is late stage beta bux and that's been broadly established as unacceptable. It's easier to tolerate things when there's genuine feelings, but not when you're just an ATM.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 06:47 PM
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"Low standards" (high acceptance) is a good thing. It means you can be happy in a broader variety of scenarios. I think a woman’s beauty is step 0, but after that, men should have requirements more similar to what women have for men: confidence, ambitious, smart and educated, charming, kind, etc. Why should men all be drones and like the same personality types? Additionally no matter how confident a woman is she'll usually expect you to take the initiative and no matter how educated/ambitious sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 06:38 PM
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The contradiction is simply because the judgment is based on charm and sexual chemistry... Not whether they're actually a good productive person or not. The same scenario occurs in reverse of course That's often because the guy either lacks options or doesn't feel like doing the work of chasing more women, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 05:44 AM
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I've heard women literally admit it to their men. And the dudes they were trapping were broke/jobless unfaithful douchebags who obviously wouldn't make good family men just yet, making it even more frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 12:43 AM
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It's a red flag for beliefs and behavior that are dealbreakers. A lot of people put in the effort to be a good functioning member of society despite that. As many men have had to learn, being a good functioning member of society and being a good romantic prospect are two different matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 07:43 PM
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The struggles are different for each gender. In my post and the OP's post we're referring to the specific type of struggle where a man can put himself out there but still have no options. For example the OP mentioned getting no matches on dating apps. That's generally not a problem a woman would have. She might get bad matches, but she probably won't get no matches. A guy in that position can't even follow the common, "lower your standards" advice, since there's nobody to lower them to. And he h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 11:57 PM
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Yes. Average women aren't struggling and the men they date aren't struggling, so their perception is going to be that almost nobody is struggling. They don't have the data to conclude otherwise. Unless the guy is horrific looking or blatantly mentally challenged, the average woman is just going to be confused if told he's not doing fine in dating. Even if she's not personally attracted to him the assumption is that some woman out there would love to date him. Overall it's not their problem and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 09:46 PM
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they could say the same thing about prostitutes, escorts, porn or personally customized cam girl experiences right now Those are real women whose lifestyle the guy doesn't want to support. The guy would be paying her for inferior sex (or less) compared to what she naturally has with other men for free. That is too emasculating for some men to deal with. The appeal of the AI robot to a lonely man is its exclusivity and the fact that it's not going to constantly demand money.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 07:26 PM
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Your narrative misses the obvious possibility that the men who own homes/are capable of buying them just don't remain single for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 01:11 PM
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Surprised how many men here seem whiny about it. Housing costs and availability are stressed by an increasing amount of people buying whole homes for a grand total of 1 person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 01:07 PM
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It's not about him being safe. It's about him being desirable. The other woman's presence proves he's desirable in some unspecified manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 02:14 AM
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Women are all aware of slut shaming, but they're taught that the judgment is simply misogyny, and that no actual decent man cares. So when a decent man they're dating hears about the past wild sex and does care, for non-misogynistic reasons, she's completely blindsided. But any RP man could've forseen things turning out that way, due to the information gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 11:28 PM
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Beyond physical appearance, it's not the age itself. It's what tends to come with it. A 30 yr. old is not automatically less desirable for a relationship, but is more likely to have acquired traits that make them less desirable for a relationship. Higher expectations and standards, less sexual curiosity, hearts jaded over past experiences, annoying exes, kids... All of these are generally viewed as undesirable. It's entirely possible for a single person at 30 to not have any of these... But what…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 09:15 PM
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He will not be satisfied if he does not become a respectable member of society. There seems to be something intrinsic to a man that wants him to achieve something. It satisfies a man's soul. Not universally true. Societies aren't equal, and some inspire less contribution than others. In the modern West some men's only motivation to excel is to attract women, and they would otherwise be content staying home all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 08:35 PM
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What is the alternative, though? If the red piller doesn't sleep with those women, other men probably still will, and the value issue remains the same. The fact that I don't sleep around doesn't make it any easier to find women who don't. I'm just "missing out." The red pill tells you to focus on yourself, because you can't afford to focus on anyone else. It's up to others to maintain their own value.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 05:38 PM
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What you assume to be cowardice could be consideration from the other person. Good people don't like bothering those who don't want to be bothered.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 08:44 PM
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For one I don't seperate sex from love, and don't feel compatible with someone who does. But additionally for me courtship is work and I do not want to continue doing that form of work after I've already found a partner. But if they're out sleeping with others while I'm not, the relationship would feel lopsided.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:10 PM
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The just world fallacy is the main reason the blue pill is a big no. The claims people make about morality in relation to dating just don't match up with common realities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 07:00 AM
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Reads more like the genders waging war on us. Every part of the OP made me seethe, I only know three people with such a brazen lack of empathy and tact and they're all relatives I try best to avoid, if people in my actual social life treated me like that I'd be as bitter as someone in those public freakout videos.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 03:25 AM
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A dude who can't get laid is involuntarily celibate. A dude who makes being unable to get laid part of his core identity is an incel. The latter is more likely to have radicalized beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 06:56 PM
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If your issue is a wild sex drive that you need to satisfy right away, hire an escort. If your issue is instead feeling unwanted then hiring an escort just reinforces that, putting you up close and personal with a woman who doesn't want you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 02:27 AM
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The main differences between Stacys (physically attractive women) that TRP would focus on are which ones make her easier for a lower league man to attract. To that end, I've noticed at least three distinct types of Stacys: First is the normal Stacy, who looks good and is a well-rounded person. She dates high tier men and lives happily. Understandably, she's out of most men's leagues. Second is the Stacy who gets by on JUST her natural looks, but is otherwise a boring person. She often can't get …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:58 AM
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Creepshaming paradoxically lowers the average quality of the men who approach you. Some of the good men respond by not approaching you at all, because they don't want to creep you out. But the bad men don't care how you feel, and keep approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 12:09 AM
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Honestly the blue pill won't even get some guys a 400 pound woman. Some guys are so out of line with the behavior that most women find desirable that they need to make big red pill changes. And after making these changes their prospects with women in general will improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 09:57 PM
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Thing is no studies have shown that this fear of missing out actually causes a low N person to be more likely to branch out than a high N count person. The high N count person has an established possibility of craving sexual variety/novelty (or being bad at relationships), while the low N count person might completely lack it. The reality is that people who've lived a certain way tend to continue doing so. It's the people who've abruptly shifted habits before who are likelier to return to the ol…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 09:29 PM
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How would dating apps solve the issue? Because in the whole process of matching, messaging, and arranging a real life meet, you've firmly established a mutual interest. It's harder to misread further social cues or overstep boundaries once it's clear that the other person is interested in dating you. You don't generally get, "I just wanted to be friends" from someone you met on a dating app. How would women approaching solve the issue? You would still need to correctly flirt and read the cues. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:16 PM
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and, in general, to treat women well while not pedestalizing them An additional issue is that men often aren't good at balance. Many men drift towards extremes. They're either going to be too aggressive or too soft. It's why AF/BB is so commonly discussed; yes there are men in the middle who get the best of both worlds, but many men are going to dip heavily into one side and don't want to be on the losing one. As long as being a jerk works better than being a doormat, dudes like Tate will contin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 06:55 AM
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But since divorce is "no-fault" now it's a reasonable assumption that some of these divorces weren't caused by the man doing something terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 06:43 AM
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I don't associate a person's quality with their economic class, so I'm not proud of anyone simply for making a lot of money. But additionally, men generally aren't conditioned to care about anyone's income but their own. Many men are fine with dating simple homemakers. If a woman is higher-earning, cool, but the man likely wasn't specifically seeking a high-earning woman and thus shouldn't be expected to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:58 AM
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The question doesn't land because: The average modern woman has enough of her own money. Many strictly dutch women have already had to tell their men not to pull out the wallet. They know the guy's probably spoiled other women. They explictly don't want him doing so to them. A woman who does demand spoiling can simply wait for a man who's offering to come along. For example she's not settling for some broke guy to begin with, so there'd never be a moment where she finds out he used to be rich an…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:19 AM
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If you can't flirt, because you are unable to read social cues, don't flirt But straight men aren't really given an alternative method to find partners. Dating apps would be one, but unfortunately they don't work for most straight men. Likewise having a woman approach you is a rarity. And the era of arranged marriage is largely over. In the absence of an alternative, you just can't realistically expect most men to follow that advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:24 AM
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So men who are still virgins have the best conditions for future marital happiness and stability if they eventually find a woman to marry right away (ideally before first intercourse). It takes two to tango though, if these chaste men aren't finding chaste women then the benefits evaporate. Marriages in which the woman's body count outnumbers the man's often end in divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 02:52 AM
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The actual answer is to just be consistent. If you make every man you're with wait then you'll screen out the ones who just want sex. If you move fast with every man you're with then you'll eventually find one who's grateful you didn't play games. Either way nobody can get mad because treatment was equal. What men primarly complain about is getting the short end of the stick, that being a woman who was lewd with other men choosing to be chaste with him. This is the opppsite gender equivalent of …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 12:28 AM
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There's a difference between acknowledging the red pill and actually living it out. Some guys have a moral stance preventing them from putting the red pill to work, and are instead frustrated about it even being needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 08:40 PM
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It's like graduating from school and then trying to become ex-educated. The red pill is just information. It's not the cause of any personal problems. How you choose to react to and use the information is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 08:02 PM
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There's a possibility that lurkers (who aren't invested enough in any one side to post) are convinced by well presented and substantiated arguments. And the general arrangement of PPD forces said arguments to be delivered better than they would be on some extremist echo chamber where everyone agrees with you to begin with. Purge week shows how those generally turn out. Even if you're posting accurate data it tends to get drowned out by easily debunked exaggerations and sheer offputting behavior,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 10:07 PM
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But if we know someone is falsely perceiving some bad people as good, it follows that they might also be falsely perceiving some good people as bad too. I.e. their presumptions may well be false the majority of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 03:14 PM
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The point is that neither is morally superior to the other, but people often falsely assume "ugly awkward man bad" and "attractive popular man good".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 03:08 PM
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More accurately, the men in relationships are on average less moral than the women in relationships. It's presumptive to judge men as a whole based on what the subset of men who successfully date do. Gentle, submissive women date just fine. Gentle, submissive men however... things often don't happen for them. That type of guy would stay with his wife through illness and recipriocate sex acts, but since he isn't partnering at all, it doesn't matter. Basically since men are assigned the active rol…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 09:04 AM
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The TikTok/Smash or Pass generation may be more upfront about their physical dealbreakers, but gaslights about preferred male behaviors just the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 01:10 AM
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The whole "more men will be alone!!!" take is silly. The red pill isn't the cause of that. Most of the men turning to TRP already weren't getting very far with women. So at worst they continue doing badly, and nothing changes, or they do better because TRP inspired them to be more assertive/flirtatious/masculine. And there are the would-be beta buxxers who now won't allow themselves to be settled for, but that's a good form a singleness; nobody wants a dead bedroom marriage and divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 08:28 PM
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Plenty of first-world nations have robust safety nets for the unemployed. Places like the US don't... but even then that's clearly not deterring some people from dropping out anyway, and hoping they can just wing it. It's just really hard to put a respectable amount of effort in knowing you're living half the life of the next guy, even if doing so is a "necessity". The primary motivator of past eras was building a stable family. And it wasn't just a begrudgingly fulfilled obligation, it was an a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 06:17 PM
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If you look at history, polygynous cultures didn't collapse from within because of an uprising by unwed peasants and soldiers, they were conquered by a monogamous culture (Primarily the Roman church). Good point, the issue is really disenfranchised men seeing no incentive to defend their society and just letting it get rolled. They're not invested in the fate of the nation. Smarter nations realize the risks of such an environment and find ways to get everyone's skin in the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 06:07 PM
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There's no contradiction. Men generally don't complain about women being picky about men who provide and protect; those are understandable qualities to want. Men complain about women being picky about looks/charm/other traits unrelated to safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 05:40 PM
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Women aren't held legally responsible for children their men have with other women, so that isn't necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 04:57 PM
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How should we solve this Fatherless Crisis? In a natural environment, there's nothing that can be done. As long as charm and looks are prioritized over traits that make proper fathers (morality, kindness, loyalty, stability), you're basically flipping a coin. We know how society propped up men with the latter set of traits in the past, but there's no turning back time. It seems, from my perspective, that TRP advocates that young men need fathers, but also says to never date/marry single mothers …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 12:32 AM
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Does blue pill men calling other men basement dwellers, neckbeards, "nice guys", virgins, the "i" word, etc. also "de-legitimize" the blue pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:52 PM
1

Asking this question is just as ineffective as asking for advice directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:38 AM
2

I've been following it since over a decade ago, back when it was on random blogs and called pickup artistry. It definitely worked a lot better before online dating got really popular. Some of the old players couldn't handle the decline and retired. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 10:20 PM
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The funny part is their kids will probably still have their less preferred traits regardless of who they reproduce with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 07:40 AM
2

I just find it funny how the same women would mostly get mad about a guy not wanting to date a woman who has more sexual experience than him. As if age is the only social leverage you can have over someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 02:51 AM
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Criticizing shy men while taking no social initiative themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 12:32 AM
3

As they age people on average grow less physically attractive, less sexually curious, and more emotionally jaded. Additionally they tend to come with more baggage, like children, annoying exes, or just the general pressure to settle down. The reason men don't strictly decline based on those factors is because women like the experience, wealth, and status they gain over time. But men are significantly less likely care about a woman's experience, wealth, or status. So aging is unfortunately basica…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 09:30 PM
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Sex bots are free of some of the issues that prevent men from seeing escorts (questionable legality, the sense of exploiting her, resentment over paying for services that other men get free).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 11:38 PM
3

women are more logical than men Women are better than men at many things, but raw logic is not one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 10:52 PM
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We'll just trust you when you hit on us first. It's bizarre to assume that the smooth talking dudebro player guy who just walks up to you regardless of what you're doing or what you might think is more trustworthy than the shy considerate guy who doesn't want to risk annoying you. Not that you should date either of them. But the first guy doesn't have the moral edge over the second.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 02:24 AM
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a tall, lean, young pretty boy collage athlete Most men aren't this, so the statement isn't relevant. The average man is stuck peaking after they gain money, status, and mental maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:55 AM
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Male and I'm taking the money. Courtship and intimacy are too much work for men they don't come naturally to (i.e. most of those who had to read up on the red pill).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:11 AM
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and purposely choosing to avoid men altogether Thing is to a beta male there is no effective difference between a woman sleeping with alpha males or just opting out. In fact on an emotional level he'd probably prefer she just opt out. Same for selectiveness and availability; if it's already bad for him then he doesn't care if it also gets bad for other men. The value of RP, improving his own prospects, is worth these broader consequences. Women are indicating that the increasingly malignant disc…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 02:27 AM
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If he was the best she ever had, then she would have stuck around with him forever. Sometimes men dump women. There's no way of knowing who ended the relation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:20 PM
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Obviously you don't bother other people over your own personal life. But people should be held accountable for what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 08:13 PM
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I don't understand why these same men who say "you don't ask a fish how to catch a fish, you ask the fisherman" feel like it's their place to tell women how to get men to marry. Men are usually the ones who propose. So men are basically telling women what the conditions would need to be for them to choose to do that. Men are largely the ones taking on the active roles in dating, so they're also the ones explaining how to do things or and why they're being done. and "education means nothing to me…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 07:49 PM
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If you really tried all that stuff and failed, it's natural to feel resentment. Not towards women for rejecting you, but towards the people who swear up and down that it's impossible to try so hard and get nowhere. While not trying, since success isn't guaranteed and the reward may not be worth it, is constantly mocked and shamed. Again there's cause to be resentful, not towards society for making dating hard, but towards the people who refuse to respectfully tolerate your life choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 05:40 PM
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Some men are just as likely to get a dead bedroom with the attractive woman. Her sleeping with sexy men often doesn't necessarily translate into her sleeping with her boyfriend often. Red pill AF/BB theory covers this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:11 AM
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First woman. Also you can drop her appearance below the average and I still choose her. I don't personally believe in casual sex, and sharing my values is more important than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:08 AM
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Finding a 30+ woman who are done with their crazy youth days and are looking to settle into safe long term platonic coparenting relationships is the easy part. A woman who's simply "done" with craziness still doesn't pass OP's values check. He's interested in those who view sex purely as an expression of love. Having done casual at all indicates that she doesn't share his beliefs on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 10:51 PM
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working out is basic hygiene for anyone who is not you. We're talking about working out to the extent of being muscular. While women can just be thin the men have to be fit. Can women who work out and wash their asshole get a pass to fuck around in your world? If I saw a woman doing all the stuff men do to find partners they'd get my respect by default. Most are very passive in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 06:45 PM
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1 without question. This is basically a genuine relationship vs. a business relationship. I don't need a woman to look like a model or be a maid. A personal connection is enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 05:41 PM
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Tbh I generally just be myself, with masculinity showing up here and there, and otherwise fall back on my looks. Naturally that attracts non-traditional girlboss types. On the rare occasion I interest a traditional woman, she's often especially shy and thus has a higher tolerance for my inconsistent masculinity. In those cases I take on a role of gentle leadership that I'm morally comfortable with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 05:08 AM
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Because the top whatever% of men still exercise broad influence over women. People look at how high the Empire State Building rises, they pay no mind to the foundation at the bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 04:45 AM
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It's less that there's less pressure to be masculine now, since society still very much expects masculine men. It's more that there's more vocal criticism of various forms of masculinity now, so expressing any form of it risks crossing over the new boundaries. Many men are simplistic and gravitate towards all-or-nothing solutions, so in order to avoid shaming from a feminist perspective some men just express no masculinity at all. Additionally, men are no longer taught that they have the edge ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 04:33 AM
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If you can have a relationship with someone and they do hookups at all you're pretty much always able to hook up instead That's likely for a woman dating a formerly casual man. It's much less likely for a man dating a formerly casual woman; she's often done "having her fun" by the time she's dating that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 03:00 AM
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The hookup guy gets his foot in the door with more women. It's a lot easier to form a relationship with someone you've already slept with, even if you're not the ideal boyfriend. Also, being only relationship material is terrible. Who would want to date someone who lusts more for other people?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 02:48 AM
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The likes of Andrew Tate and Fresh and Fit are so incredibly hostile and cruel about women and they get millions of views and plenty of support from men. That alone is enough to make many women want to avoid men altogether. Then they should also hate the women who give Tate a platform. If Tate was some random virgin, completely shunned by women, absolutely no men would listen to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 02:10 AM
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Men shift with the market. Less women want traditional now, so less men put in the work. Anyway, normally when I tell a guy that I prefer a more traditional relationship, they usually reply with something like, "I believe that men and women should be equal." Well that's what everyone's taught. It's hard for someone to break their programming. Men aren't socially conditioned as the "dominant" sex in the current era.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 01:30 AM
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Progressive beliefs are obe thing, but I just can't with the lack of morals. With freedom comes more responsibility, not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 01:12 AM
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I don't think it's useful to shame women just for settling. Men do it all the time sexually, so women won't feel bad doing it romantically. What warrants questioning is not being as sexually available with your partner as you were with casual hookups. That's just disrespect to someone expected to commit their life to you. If there's a big gap between how much you sexually desired your hookup and how much you sexually desire your partner, it's a sign that you're settling too hard. Additionally, p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 11:22 PM
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Yeah, it's a good thing not everyone's into casual sex. That poster at least won't end up like the woman in the texts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 03:37 AM
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These sorts of women need to start assessing why they can't attract the type of man they want, and like women tell men to do, look inward at their own attitudes, beliefs, and work on themselves. Thing is much of the stuff that lowers a woman's relationship desirability can't be undone. This PPD-sounding woman can't undo the fact that she's pushing 40 and still longing for commitment from young FWBs. HVM will just go for younger less jaded women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 03:13 AM
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Liberals dislike generalizations of women and view them in a dating context as sexual objectification. Because of that thought process they heavily shame PUA/pill rhetoric, even when it's not outright misogynistic. Conservatives saw that as an opportunity to rush in to defend the pillers, and used the built rapport to lure them towards right-wing ideology. Basically one side believes X shouldn't exist, while the other side mobilizes X to defend itself through increasing radicalization. It's been…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 10:26 PM
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For men it's more a case of if you're thirsty in the desert you don't care how dirty the oasis water is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 10:09 PM
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So I'm not seeing how people (especially "Western men") can find so many of them so undateable that they're going to cut off half the world as a potential dating pool and try their luck in a whole new society where, in many cases, they're the foreigner. Because on average Western women are less traditionally feminine and thin than non-Western women, while also having higher physical standards and more confusing social expectations than them. The latter point means some of the men who want to dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 10:02 PM
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People will acknowledge that, but still recoil if you wish society'd go back to times when socialization wasn't so sexually charged.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:16 PM
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Grand majority of people here went to some form of school and work. Proximity doesn't actually do anything for some people; in some cases it just reminds you of what you're missing out on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:12 PM
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Wild how so many PPD women are with HVM. I wonder how many PPD men (regardless of pill) are with HVW.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 08:53 PM
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If you told me to bed an obese woman by week's end I don't think I'd be able to. It's not that simple for everyone. For guys who aren't naturals and can't get matches on apps, dating is constant work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:25 PM
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I think the people saying, "you can get rejected in any environment" are missing the point. Obviously you can get rejected no matter what and there's nothing wrong with that. But the moral shaming just for trying is a step beyond that. A lot of decent guys don't approach women because society doesn't make clear when it's appropriate to do so. They don't want to offend, so nothing happens. The question here is basically asking when is it socially acceptable to romantically pursue women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 05:51 PM
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Why is it that an average Joe (who's non-abusive, healthy and nice enough) is normal for wanting a 'beautiful, feminine' woman, yet American women are entitled for not wanting average Joe? In this scenario guys are relocating to find one, which is quite a bit of effort beyond the average. If he was just snooping around his local neighborhood then yeah he'd probably have to accept not being with beautiful traditional women. My options have always been one or the other at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 05:56 AM
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If your argument is that these men are going to need to accept dying alone - I think you'll need to also accept that other men (redpillers included) are going to die due to violence from these lonely men. Is that what you want? Do you want these men lacking sexual gratification to essentially cuck you out of a life? Seems pretty non-RP to me. As logical as it may be to try to dissuade a potential killer, on an emotional level it's a tough sell to get people to care about finding some violent edg…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 05:28 AM
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No woman thinks some average guy has heaps of options and if he acts like he does he just comes off as mentally ill. Some women have stud tunnel vision and assume if you're not visibly ugly in some way you must be swimming in puss. All the men they actually interact with on an intimate level are doing it, and all the men their friends chat about are doing it, so clearly all men must be doing it. Basically they apply a "women are desperate for companionship, any single man must be fooling around …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 04:21 AM
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Physical attractiveness > wealth unless you are literally rich. Most men are not making nearly enough more money than the average woman to get chosen over a younger more attractive guy. A guy trying to succeed on money alone's market is the subset of women who are really poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 03:58 AM
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When a quirk is as big as nearly 1/3rd of youths, and potentially growing, it's more useful to start talking about the phenomenon rather than simply deflecting to, "welp, still doesn't effect most people." That's kind of how all social dialogue regarding cultural minorities goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 10:40 PM
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I know more good people who struggled with dating than bad people who struggled with dating. Being a good person is a great trait in a relationship, but irrelevant to starting one. In the early phases the parts of your behavior that matter are your basic social skills, charm, and assertiveness. In fact, overly considerate men are the ones missing their oportunities to approach and escalate with women, so it's possible to be too moral.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 10:12 PM
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That type of body is attainable “naturally” by a VERY small percentage of women. You need surgery to have that body type. And a man can't just grow taller. There's nothing wrong with having physical preferences, the problem is if someone has them but then complains about the ones the other gender has.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 12:19 AM
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If all he's doing is coping either way, the one that takes less effort seems preferable. Also the social wager's argument doesn't fully work. A dude can easily have gainful employment without spending the money on women who don't want him and potentially someone else's kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 10:50 PM
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Men who complain about beta buxxing should really be happy that someone tolerates them for their money because they wouldn't even get that otherwise Some men would rather be single than spend money on a woman who's physically repulsed by him. The rare sex can't be good if she's not into it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 10:33 PM
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I assume “Not Feasible” means they couldn’t find enough women in certain height categories for the study. Unfortunately, that's not it. The figure "-" is what the study uses for scenarios where the sample size is too small. The figure "Not Feasible" instead means that the study found no way for the tall woman to achieve the same matching success as the average height woman, regardless of income. The study talks about the phenomenon in this quote: The table also shows that women cannot make up fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 10:20 AM
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It sounds like the only way you think you can get companionship is from a relationship and you're so starved for it that anyone barely decent looking and nice will do. Well, realistically, many guys don't have close enough friends for in-depth emotional support (we have "bros" who we make jokes and compete with, instead), nor can they just log on to Tinder for fun. The average male single experience is actually pretty bland. So our relationship standards are lower. When keeping the differences i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 07:34 AM
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It's really sad that loneliness is worsening to the point where some people are growing envious of house pets. And I don't say that to make fun of those doing it, but genuinely. It's unnerving how socialization has declined so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:07 AM
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But it's jarring when one's standards increase while their desirability doesn't. Men simply weren't conditioned to care about a woman's job and education. It's a very recent thing for women to excel in those fields. So from a man's perspective the women now look the same as ever, but are harder to please than the women of the past. It's more work with no added benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:29 AM
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There are plenty of women who are just as lonely as the male incel, but somehow, these two groups don't want to mate with each other. Lonely woman communities online tend to attract messages from male suitors. The same doesn't go for lonely male communities online. The rejection probably isn't mutual.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:23 AM
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All that's said is that women on average reported higher happiness back when early marriage was the norm. Obviously there'll always be unhappy people either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:06 AM
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If you can't break the answer down into objective comparisons then it's not particularly "reasonable" itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:01 AM
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She ended all of the relationships as she got bored or decided she wanted different things. Already sour on A halfway through the paragraph. Can't imagine dumping someone just because I'm "bored" with them or whatever. I don't view dating as "fun", but as the work you do to build a connection with someone. So I'm not romantically compatible with this type of person. B's history is more in line with my beliefs about intimacy. She remained committed to a good man until life circumstances made it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:18 AM
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Conservative women grow up told that men have strengths that put them ahead. Liberal women grow up told that men and women start off equal. So naturally, a man must do more to impress the liberal woman. Liberal women are less openly judgmental of non-masculine men, but not more attracted to them. selling young romantically awkward men instructions on how to perform their masculinity "proper" in order to have a chance with modern women. It's especially rough for socially awkward men nowadays. Per…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 12:10 AM
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We don't specifically desire bum women though. The wealth/status is just not a factor in our attraction, so if all else is equal between the stable woman and broke woman then we'll go for the one giving us an easier time. Her income irrelevant ? Do you respect her wanting to work ? Her spirit to strive or succeed? What I care about is how my partner treats me. What they do in their non-romantic life isn't my concern. I'm a personality guy, I'll favor a homely woman with a good personality over a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 09:02 AM
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Unfortunately even if this worked most men would not do it because they don’t want to put in the effort to be desirable let alone approach women. Or maybe their morality doesn't allow acting like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 05:41 AM
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Which they do, but then that means those obese women aren't with their below average male equivalents, so the frustration remains. Average men salty about having subpar options, below average men salty about having no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:05 AM
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They believe that we have some level of unworldly power and privilege in the world. They push up up to this level so they have a reason to be mad. It's not particularly disputed that the average woman has more dating options than the average man. And the gap widens when comparing a below average woman to a below average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:42 AM
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Men complaining about women who get with other men isn't a relevant way to measure WGTOW. Those are two seperate, mutually exclusive sets of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:07 AM
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Sorry, some men will never have a chance. Less than 5% of autistic men get married, now consider the lots of shit of criteria such as height, skin color, wealth, etc. women expect from men. Even if that's the case, there's no argument for it being a "good thing" like the thread title suggests. Having distractions available is the good thing. Being excluded from dating is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 11:49 PM
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It's not a high bar to pass to be the "worst" it's ever been. People used to be expected to be married by their early 20s. On an individual basis, it's difficult to notice the dateless people, since they're probably less social than the ones getting dates. But they do show up on the social surveys and online forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 11:39 PM
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I know plenty of sleazebag gamers who get tons of women. Abandoning personal hobbies is not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 11:17 PM
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Critical thinking is not this, "ignore all the statistics, the problem is you" stuff. There's always self-improvement to be made. But that doesn't invalidate a single complaint posted here. Only counter-arguments do that; there's no easy way out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 12:54 PM
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Even if you left all pride and ego on the matter behind, the divorce rates on these arrangements are relatively high. People have "types" and if you don't fit your partner's historical type then there's a significant risk that you won't hold their interest for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 10:53 AM
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This happens more often in reverse. People use the historical oppression of women to dismiss any complaint the men of the present have about misandry and related social customs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 12:20 PM
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You can agree with what someone's saying without viewing them as a role model. Tate has a lot going for him that can't realistically be emulated, regardless of how red pill you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 03:15 AM
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The bar is in hell for men who are charming and attractive. For men who aren't it's in space.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 02:52 AM
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Statistically they are less capable of maintaining relationships on average. How much lasting relationships matter varies based on the individual, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 12:56 PM
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If women need men, why are they more often reported as being happy when single? Because a higher percentage of single women are voluntarily single. It's difficult to measure the happiness of single males overall when are a significant portion of them aren't single by choice; obviously those men would be unhappy, so it drags the average down.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 11:15 AM
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I always suspected this. Short + buff may look aesthetically incongruent. Short guys might be better off with lean athletic builds, instead of full-on musclebound.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 06:51 PM
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You're confusing lack of achievement with lack of struggle. Pressure turns some coal into diamonds. It turns other coal into dust. Do not assume someone hasn't suffered simply because it hasn't produced any outcomes that you respect. I grew up in poverty under frequent physical and verbal abuse with a terrible inner-city education in a violent neighborhood. I've been homeless and I'm not even white. But the OP would imply that because it didn't make me good at sports or school I somehow haven't …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 05:52 AM
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The genes were superior by jungle standards. Evolution hasn't caught up to society standards, so some traits beneficial to society get neglected by natural selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 04:54 AM
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Almost none of the men assigning ratings to ScarJo would decline relations with ScarJo. How men rate women doesn't generally matter since it's usually preferences instead of requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 01:42 AM
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You don't just like things by default. I have not seen justification to like people in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 12:57 AM
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If you're a shy passive dude by nature then you do have to become a man you're not to get a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 12:32 AM
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I think in 90% of cases if they consistently put themselves in environments where men frequently approach women (night life / dating apps) then they'd receive some form of attention. For foreveralone men just showing up is significantly less likely to achieve anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 11:13 PM
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"It's possible for a decent guy to get nowhere in dating" is not an attack on women, just a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:03 AM
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Unregulated free markets aren't actually particularly efficient for societal causes, hence why the people (via the government) rarely allow them to exist. There's no convincing claim that the unemployed ex-con deadbeat dad with three kids by different mothers is overall "higher tier" than the $100k earning shy engineer who doesn't get laid, regardless of the former's greater worth in the sexual market. We don't regulate social markets because it's highly immoral to do so. Not because they magica…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 03:23 AM
1

"People don't like this" =/= "these are genetically inferior traits." The only traits listed here that cause actual problems (beyond how people respond to them) are autism and obesity. And excluding them isn't necessarily worth losing tons of would-be committed contributors (from society's perspective). People mate based on individual preferences, not species need, and one shouldn't pretend the two line up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:01 AM
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PS. I do not approve violence. Yeah I don't get why people egg those types on. "You're not MAN enough to harm a bunch of innocent people." As if not doing that is any type of negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 01:48 AM
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If a cheating man still has kids with his main female partner, but the quality of life for those kids or their kids or their kids suffers as a result and affects their reproductive success (particularly for sons), that poses just as real a threat to her genetics being passed down long enough to be evolutionarily relevant. The odds of that are low. Only a subset of people can't reproduce, mostly outcast males. Women and preferred men can usually reproduce regardless of their other flaws or how ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 12:28 AM
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He got into confrontations at the DMV about it. Oof. Tons of dudes lie on 1 or 2 inches and nobody says anything, the ex must've been really exaggerating for someone to actually comment on it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 02:58 AM
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"Grab them by the pussies... they're too ugly to rape" - stuff like that, being over-the-top extremist red pillers. Ganging up on rape victims, accusing them of just wanting attention, constantly insisting men are the victims and women are being unfair to them. The political grifters change their tune with societal shifts. Back when men would reliably marry there was a heavy conservative emphasis on family values, religious faith, chivalry, spreading democracy, etc. Men wanted to protect what th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 02:07 AM
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Realistically asking anyone on PPD personal questions is pointless since the people here deviate too far from the norm. The average person is not endlessly debating sexual philosophies. You're among unicorns by default. Additionally, people with generic answers tend not to respond. You're usually going to draw in the ones with rare experiences to share.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:57 AM
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Gonna have to lose the beard at least. Also depending on how old you are it may be unreasonable in general. Hopefully you at least still look like someone who could be in his 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 05:38 AM
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Do you think having responsibilities is a bad thing? They're bad if you cannot fulfill them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 04:11 AM
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These men may be hoping that women are so distraught by the thought of men leaving them that these women will get on their knees and beg men to stay, promising to treat them better, do all domestic duties, provide sex on demand etc. A lot of the complaints about the available Western women are things that cannot be undone (aging, n count, being jaded by the past). So no, I don't think the intention is to force some personal change.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 01:32 AM
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Those days have now passed. TRP is just a museum for the movement that has occurred and passed us by. Because it simply doesn't work as well anymore. Before popularized online dating, TRP was law. Now it just kinda improves your chances a bit, and if they were low to begin with, that isn't very noticeable. Your vulgar display of weakness is disgusting to everyone, and no one will take male whining seriously. That simply proves the point that blue pillers are hypocrites. They support vulnerable w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:55 PM
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A non-neurotypical low inhib guy can easily fall into the creeper stereotype. It's genuinely risky. People are saying you have to accept that some people will hate you, but if it's everyone then it's not worth it. It's difficult to be sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:20 PM
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The nice part of life is that your kind will quite literally die out and be weeded out of the gene pool leaving behind only men who see women as people with their own thoughts and wishes, not trophies at the end of the rainbow road. Not quite. Women with similar traits aren't reproductively penalized (many guys are willing to be providers for them), so the genes can still pass down from their end.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:35 AM
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aka doesn't get why having a lot of sex as a man shows that you're desirable either genetically or socially while having a lot of sex as a woman indicates that you're easy for Chads to pump and dump) Thing is while a high n count increases a man's SMV, it still decreases his RMV. So it's perfectly fine for a woman seeking a relationship to consider it hypocritical for a man to think he should be entitled to some "pure" woman despite getting around the block himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:22 AM
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The main issue of these social dynamics isn't the production of shut-in men, who are largely only burdens on their own families. The main issue is that they enable deadbeats, guys going around producing tons of children they can't afford. When you only need to be charming and attractive to get laid, many men will decline to bother doing much else. And these children they can't support end up needing significant help from government benefits. A society where this phenomenon steadily increases is …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:11 AM
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The most important trait is social/seduction skills. If you're low inhibition but some weirdo it won't work, hence why not everyone's doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 10:57 PM
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Basic social skills are for making friends. Seduction is a step further. The red pill is for guys who aren't naturals at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 10:12 PM
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Nobody says the average man is sexless though. There's the 30% of young men who are just flat out not having sex, but then there's an unspecified amount of men beyond them who do have sex but either have to work obscenely hard to make it happen or seek out much less physically attractive partners. If you add these three groups together you possibly get a figure approaching half of men having it rough in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 08:41 AM
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Why not go out into the world and put the learning to the test? Socially awkward men are now considered creepy for trying to make moves. If you can't do it properly you're basically not allowed to do it. So that results in the men without natural social insticts stockpiling information beforehand, so they can approach properly. But since socialization is largely subjective, the data collection phase doesn't necessarily ever end. Basically all the new penalties for incorrect social behavior stifl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 09:12 PM
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Yeah. Look at the male education and employment rates declining. Reality is many men have low ambitions for their personal lives as individuals. The only way to get them to excel is to dangle romantic/sexual success on a carrot. And recent societal shifts make that no longer the case, enabling minimalist lifestyles: Players see that they don't need to build their social status/wealth or offer commitment to get laid. They just need to be charming and attractive. So they skip all the extra steps a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 08:58 PM
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Because it's not necessarily enough. Women know for a fact that if they looksmax they'll attract higher quality partners. But a guy who looksmaxxes may still be held up by any number of other things (being broke, short, lacking the right personality, etc.). Basically you can't just focus on one thing as a guy, and that overwhelms some guys into not focusing on much of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 02:08 AM
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Some men like relationships but find it increasingly difficult to meet relationship material women. For example the majority of women interested in me past a certain age have been party girls who've fooled around with a bunch of a dudes. Since I don't have casual sex myself (I'm not even the type of guy who could push for it), but also don't consider these women relationship material, nothing happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 02:34 PM
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whereas the bluepill tells us that we need to man up and overcome our insecurities and resenting women will get us nowhere. But the blue pill also tells us men and women are equal. If we're equal why does one specific group have to "man up"? Only the red pill and beyond properly explain the gender dynamics of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 09:57 AM
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I’m of the mindset that even the shyest guys make it known when they like a woman. A look at Reddit can reveal that's not the case. But naturally the guys who never approach won't be noticed, since they aren't doing anything to stand out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:10 PM
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Thing is a super submissive guy usually doesn't get attention from women. Regardless of their own want, men have to lead, because it's what most women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 04:49 AM
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This means that the average man will be stuck with a more promiscuous woman. This hurts men, especially knowing the long-term effects this has on relationships. In fact, arguably it hurts men more in the long run because they are on the receiving end of all of those issues. Promiscuous men don't care about other men being left holding the bag. Even the red pillers, who at least have the decency to warn other men, still don't care enough to actually stop. Even if you're a guy and it doesn't affec…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:47 AM
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They're judging "trashiness" by social behavior, not career/education. A man regarding himself as "anti-trashy" is generally not having sex at random places with random women, and expects his partner to have exercised restraint in those regards.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 10:22 PM
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our tribal ancestors wouldn’t have dealt with your shit and you would’ve been treated like the defective models you are and thrown on the heap. You’re a living breathing example of why our childhood mortality rate isn’t high enough. I don't think incels even generally argue that they have genetic quality (hence calling themselves sub-human), just that they're punished for not having it while women with the same traits get a pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 09:20 PM
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Short, ugly poor guys absolutely get girlfriends. But I was talking about, "boring, awkward, physically unremarkable guys." You can be a boring, awkward, physically unremarkable guy without being a nasty guy. But these people are still typically not desirable, despite not being bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 07:08 PM
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The bitter truth you must swallow is that none of the "elites", if there is even such a thing in terms of an Illuminati group huddling in a room, don't care to even think of you. That's not what I've seen. The elites in any field seem opposed to movements intended to empower the masses. Whether it's corporate executives union-busting, political parties snubbing grassroots campaigns, or indeed prevailing media/moderation forces censoring pill content meant to help subpar men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 12:04 AM
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Sure, a tall handsome nasty person might get women to sleep with them, or even hook them in to an abusive relationship, but those men tend to have a couple of things you don’t. Charm and being exciting. By exciting I mean risk taking, spontaneous, fun. Then that's what the initial advice should be. People shouldn't act as if being nice raises your sex appeal any. It makes you a decent partner, but you have to pass the sex appeal check before even being considered for partnership. So "be nice" is…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 11:43 PM
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Obito probably would've posted on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 08:08 AM
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People really don't get how the mentality of an aggressive player is going to differ from the mentality of some timid hermit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 06:07 AM
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If we use the same system from a sexual perspective, we will have many men who are not sexually competitive potentially procreate and cause genetic and evolutionary problems for decades to come. Human mate selection still favors traits that were last ideal back in hunter-gatherer/early civilization days. Provider traits are more conducive to mainintaining a modern society, but biology hasn't caught up yet. Hence many deadbeats and criminals being more sexually successful than many well-behaved c…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:17 AM
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There's nothing do with that information though. Men have less in-group bias and thus don't care about what hurts other men, just what helps themselves. It's not enough for me to not do this stuff (which I don't), other men would have to stop too, and they won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 03:44 AM
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She wasted 3 years of that poor BF's life afterwards. Many women aren't like this, but if you choose wrong it's a significant chunk of your life down the drain.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 02:37 AM
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Personally I never persued hookup culture because I always assumed it was shallow and objectifying, and that sex should be had with an emotional bond. I also thought from the complaints about horndog men that it wasn't desired behavior in women's minds either. Learning quite late that my mentality died out like a century ago and I couldn't relate to many of the people in the dating world wasn't great.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 11:42 PM
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A woman who looks the one in the art here is probably less pleasant on the eyes than half the incels though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 09:49 AM
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The problem is that all the focus is on the men with authority/in high demand, while the men who are broke and maidenless are invisible. So it seems like it's men in power, when it's really just a specific subset of men, while the rest get a raw deal just like women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 08:50 AM
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Kinda sad how the guys having no sex look better than the women making fun of them not having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 06:11 AM
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Treating people like people gets you friends. More takes more.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 04:42 AM
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But in line with that mentality, sperm banks should also refuse service to short women. A short woman's son is gonna suffer too. Yet they don't do that because their role isn't to enforce good social genetics. It's simply to meet demand, and since women don't want short sperm that sperm is excluded. There's no altruistic angle to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 04:33 AM
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It's a best of bad options scenario. The foreign woman at least treats you like a highly desirable man while pursuing the card. Some random woman who's settling for stability treats you like a eunuch.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:39 AM
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The whole point of incel philosophy is that "it's over" and there's nothing you can do. So incel "uprisings" are just when they do something bad or criminal and piss off "normies"; their own station doesn't improve. There's no goal beyond getting more guys to join their ranks and annoying others about it. And they seem to do each well enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:59 AM
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Where does the impression that people don't want high n count women LTR'ing Chads come from? If you can, that's great, you're well-matched and probably have a wonderful love life. But you're 8-9/10. Most high n count women aren't, and thus don't get to LTR a Chad. The complaint is about those women then trying to farm LTRs out of low n count dudes, despite having ignored them back when they were having fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:42 AM
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Well it's sad if the difficulty of approaching is increased, but yet it's still just as expected as it used to be. It means less and less men knowing how to do what's required of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 11:39 PM
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The people complaining about the meme aren't getting that rejecting someone is fine, but character assassination is not. You do not need to call someone a creepy harasser just because they approached you while not being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 11:31 PM
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Do you know how 99% of people on this sub could literally have sex? Move to NYC. Some of us do. Part of the problem in big cities is that competition is fierce. if there are guys like you are out with 60 women there are other dudes who can't remotely compete with what you're bringing to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 10:58 PM
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Rodger was diagnosed with pervasive autism, considering that and how weird he acted on camera it's very unlikely he could've approached women without creeping them out. Men don't just have to pass a looks check, but a social check as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 10:38 PM
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Therapy works best when the cause of your problems is in your mind, rather than objective reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:58 PM
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The point isn't that the hurdles are impossible, but that some women (if their personalities remained the same) would find them unbearable, though. It's not about the men who got through it, but instead how similar some woman are in personality to the men who fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:50 PM
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Damn, no one likes you? It might be you I don't think there's anything wrong with any woman's standards, but if we acknowledge that they're higher than men's on average, then a natural result is that more men will end up sexually inactive. Widespread social conditions shouldn't be blamed on individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:36 PM
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There should be a differentiation of terms between people who feel alone, people who choose to be alone, and people who are actual outcasts. Because these are three different concepts, yet communities for each keep getting hijacked by the others.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:22 PM
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If you fail at a bunch of tasks at once you at least have the excuse of being under too much pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 08:34 AM
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But: “Oh I can’t even get the no job no personality” ok then I guess you are or such low value you really shouldn’t be procreating. But the woman in the same situation still gets to. Men aren't wrong for having more flexible standards. Because they do women have the freedom to be go-getters, homemakers, and anything in between. Options are a good thing. Being forced into a role you're not suited for isn't, and frustration about it shouldn't be a surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 08:30 AM
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Also, the idea that just because men aren't guaranteed a wife or girlfriend or sex that "the society they're expected to work hard for and contribute too treats them like expendable tax cattle and doesn’t give a shit about them" is beyond ridiculous. Intimacy aside, you did say women have stronger general social networks on average as well. The lack of access to that basic emotional support is also a part of why some men feel society doesn't care about their efforts.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:00 AM
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Apparently ethnicels have way more of a point than white incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 01:20 AM
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Clearly they couldn't have had it then. Men often need more money, property, and status to catch up if they didn't start sexy. In your 20s you usually just don't have that. Maybe most young women don't date older guys, but guys are used to rejection anyway. Numbers game.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 12:58 AM
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He just mentioned lifestyle. Weight indicates lifestyle, height does not (since you can't manually change your height). Not wanting to date heavy people because of how they look is shallow. Not wanting to date heavy people because you feel they don't exercise enough to compensate for how much they eat isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 12:26 AM
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Thing is a lot of men get neither button, but are instead faced with high n count women who also don't want to sleep with them very quickly. "Vetting a relationship is different from vetting a hookup" and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 11:49 PM
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Even for a celebrity there's an especially high level of sex appeal to Chris Brown's image, his sensuality and dance moves are on point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:17 PM
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The effectiveness of the red pill dropped over time. It was the secret sauce back when casual dating revolved around the night life at bars, clubs, and parties. Nowadays casual dating revolves around phone apps, and how "alpha" you can be is limited over text chat while your profile says 5'6; looks are a bigger part of the equation now. So learning RP in the modern day provides less of an immediate benefit, and moreso just clarity about how dating works at large. Some men end up not liking how i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 06:43 PM
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It complicates assertiveness and escalation. Someone who isn't nice will just go for it when the urge arises. Someone who is might not, worrying about whether it's appropriate or the right time yet. Additionally the range of what you can say is limited by how nice how you are, since you're reluctant to risk offending others. A nice guy with sufficient social skill can do what's needed while mostly avoiding the rest, but a nice guy without those skills ends up just not taking enough action.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 06:27 PM
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You need to stop thinking of it as “oh at least by 30 women will be easier and want me more” and start thinking “ok I’ve gotta BECOME attractive by 30 or I’m either gona be alone or even worse, used and exploited” If women needn't rush I don't see why men have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:49 PM
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I just don't like how people pull a "No True Scotsman" whenever a good person can't find partners. They instead baselessly gaslight about how the lonely one isn't actually a good person, somehow. The reality is your romantic success depends on your social skills, charm, looks, and if you're a dude how intimately assertive you are. Morality is not relevant. You can be perfectly moral and still completely unpopular.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 06:04 AM
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So I always laugh when men talk about the past as if everyone was happy with what they got. It's less that and more that the old marriage experience was still better than current one for some people. Now people marry later with more emotional baggage, and just divorce if they can't get past it. And if you're one of the guys who didn't get to have any fun during the wait then the changes were only to your detriment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:01 AM
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The point isn't that women control men's actions. As we can plainly see many men still don't behave in line with the red pill, even if they know about it. A man makes choices based on his own cost-benefit analysis. The point is that women shouldn't complain about behavior that they don't socially penalize themselves. If people can get away with XYZ, many will; it's on you as an individual not to willingly associate with those people. It's like the nice guy complaining about everyone taking advan…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 11:06 PM
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If nobody ever complained about problems or unfairness that they have no personal control over themselves then political parties and social movements wouldn't exist. Everyone would just shut up and focus on their own life, tackling any unique individual obstacles in silence. It's just never how people have worked. And if you have to listen to other peoples' complaints, you don't feel any need to bottle up yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 09:32 PM
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To be fair TWD's set in a post-apocalyptic environment. Even a beta male could potentially find a partner in that scenario, since his male competition's been drastically reduced, and the way he'll put a woman's life ahead of his own is a lot more valuable when the world's actually dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 10:28 PM
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The problem is that even when you hand the power to average women, they incidentally hand the power back to the smaller subset of highly desirable men. So women still end up with the short end of the stick, just with less men benefitting at their expense. The excluded man is left utterly confused as to how women are still struggling with men while he himself has no power over them, and feels like he's being scapegoated for problens he didn't cause and privileges he can't utilize. This creates a …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 09:17 PM
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In some cases yes, but in others even that's not enough. As someone who's been in the situation, the conventionally attractive woman's interest in me couldn't overcome the pedestal I had already put the non-conventionally attractive woman on. The former was nice to look at, but the latter was more interesting, witty, and charming, and my fixation on her personality and how she made me feel was stronger than shallow attraction. A guy with enough insecurities can be vulnerable to powerful emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 06:09 AM
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That depends on the man. Men on average don't like ugly women, no. But lonely men with low self-esteem might. Social isolation heavily shifts one's mentality from the norm. While a common man may prioritize hot women he can show off, a lonely man may instead prioritize women who offer emotional healing. In the latter case an ugly woman's personality, affection, availability, etc. can make her a more comforting option than an intimidating attractive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 04:27 AM
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Some are saying, "most women don't use dating apps, so they can't be having such a big effect." But you have to think about which women are using the apps. It's less likely to be women who are doing fine in real life. It's more likely to be women who are struggling to find what they want in real life, and looking for a solution online. Whereas in the past those women would've been encouraged to settle for the local options, OLD has removed their pressure to do so. So you have a bunch of plain Ja…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 02:45 PM
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But if you're not managing to get any sex on your side, that might just be a "you" issue, not an open relationship issue. Beside, preventing the other person to have fun just because you're not able to find people to have fun with, well, isn't that the unfair part in the end? The arrangement of a relationship should be mutually beneficial to both parties. If one partner wants an open relationship but the other gets literally nothing out of it, just breaking up may be a consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 10:30 AM
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Thing is having casual sex isn't really something people are on the fence about. Generally either they're making a conscious decision not to have it, or the option isn't available at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:49 AM
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I'm staying, since I love my dream girl on a fundamental level, rather than just for the superficial aspects of her. Unfortunately, the scenario isn't too applicable to reality, since most of us won't find our dream partners. Instead we'll find partners we generally like and whose flaws we tolerate as a result, until those flaws pile too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:28 AM
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What do you recommend, then? Because a lot of guys don't simply don't approach women because they don't feel they're good enough to do so. And that decision is also criticized. Doesn't seem like there's a win condition here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 07:59 PM
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