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They don't call these men degrading names like men do with sex workers Bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 12:00 AM
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That's just asshole behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 11:47 PM
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Could you direct me to where that user displayed a shitty attitude towards women? All he's really talked about is the culture of marriage and chastity being present worldwide throughout history. Or did you just have nothing worthwhile to say so resorted to "lol misogyny" as per usual?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 11:00 PM
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The fuck are you on about? Where did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:38 PM
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I mean sure, I can agree there could be better phrasing used, but the fact is you're making this a gendered issue when it's not. "Not husband material", "not father material", "fuckboy", these are all terms used to describe men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:09 PM
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Why is it a problem for a man to deem that a woman is "not girlfriend material"? How is that putting them down? A man is allowed to decide what his standards and boundaries are, in the same way that a woman is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:36 PM
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Might as well just all walk around nude while we're at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:29 PM
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If that becomes the case, that's extremely sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:16 PM
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Imagine the sheer volume of kids in the future will get mocked because someone dug up their mother’s old OnlyFans account.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 05:47 PM
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Is it? Do you have any of this evidence you speak of? I mean other users have brought actual insight and talking points, even studies, to this debate. And you've just gone with the same old lazy "because misogyny, men just want a whore or a mother" ragebait that doesn't actually engage with the subject matter whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 05:00 PM
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This is terminally online bollocks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:48 PM
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Why is it sick to have boundaries and standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:41 PM
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What makes you think they aren't being honest? You think you know each individual man better than they know themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 03:19 PM
4

Why does it upset you so much that men are not a monolith?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 01:39 PM
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The sooner you realise that Andrew Tate doesn't speak for all men, the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 01:37 PM
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You left out a particular word that time that greatly changes the tone of what you're saying, let me know when you've figured out which one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 12:43 PM
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There you go, you got it right that time!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 12:34 PM
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"It doesn't suit my narrative so it's a clickbait opinion".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 12:27 PM
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Unfortunately rather common around here
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 11:36 AM
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Already explained two comments ago. (Starting to see why I wasn't interest in a debate with you yet?)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 04:01 PM
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It's not deflecting, it's setting boundaries. "This person responded to me in bad faith, twisting my words to imply I said something far different from what I actually said, therefore I will not entertain a debate with her." Even moreso now that you doubled down and denied that's what you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 03:43 PM
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I guess we're going to have to disagree then, because your idea of what the woman "typically" does in a relationship is, in my opinion, quite detached from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 03:09 PM
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so you have any more examples of stuff that the man does the woman isn't "allowed" to do in a trad relationship? No. Because you've already set the tone for this debate before it's even started. You've implied that I ever said a woman was "not allowed" to do something, which I never even remotely said. And unfortunately, this behaviour of putting words in people's mouths and misrepresenting their comments seems to be very typical of the women on this subreddit. So I'll leave it there to save mys…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 03:07 PM
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Your entire paragraph about the CEO proves my point. A few commenters have already made the point that the man tends to be the CEO and the woman the CFO/COO. I'd agree with that analogy, and in fact it's exactly what I described in my original comment. You say the man seemingly does "none of these equivalents", yet the way you described the CEO is exactly the things the men generally take responsibility for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 02:43 PM
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I think you're conflating management with leadership. When a man thinks of leadership in a traditional sense, they may think of being the provider, the one who negotiates with the contractor, the one who signs the mortgage, may see themselves as the physical protector. In your examples you're talking about management. The thinks like budgets, logistics, decor. That's a downstream result of the income and what leadership provides. This all depends of course on what type of relationship you have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 02:33 PM
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Yeah absolutely, the logic in their post is completely flawed and is very much viewed through an emotional lens. My point was to say that I can see how trauma can lead someone to that line of thinking, we see everywhere in society how people are ruled and influenced by fear. I've had to work hard to ensure I'm not blinded by my own trauma and it's a long road. Like you said, it very much ignores the reality that the UK culture is certainly not against women and that men are victims of these crim…
/r/MensRights13/11/25 06:49 PM
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The thing is, I do get why women feel so strongly on the subject. It's driven by fear, it's driven by trauma, and I understand. I've had friends personally affected. And yes, the process they have to go through is awful, and the trauma from the crime itself I can't imagine. However, there is no easy solution because innocent until proven guilty is essential, otherwise people have free reign to make false accusations, and these can not only ruin lives but cost them too. I would hope also that the…
/r/MensRights13/11/25 06:32 PM
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Isn't it interesting how it seems to be all the women on this sub that jump straight to personal attacks and insults whenever you question them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 06:08 PM
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Oh? Well you didn't seem to have an issue making it about everyone else considering you can't help resorting to needless personal attacks/insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 06:04 PM
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I mean maybe you're not attracting anyone kind, competent or loyal because you can't get through a debate with a man without insulting them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 05:54 PM
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Here's some logic for you. It's called data. Sometimes we use it to back up our logic: 72% of U.S. adults are in a romantic relationship. 61% of people say their partner is their best friend. 70% of single men reported wanting a long-term committed relationship, compared to 74% of women. Only 12% of men said they were primarily looking for casual sex.. Men were more likely than women to say they’d fallen in love at first sight (48% vs. 28%). Men rated kindness, intelligence, and emotional stabil…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 05:38 PM
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He's not answering a single question about it and just seems to have been triggered by the term "rape survivors", which is highly concerning and like you said, posts like this are a really bad look for this sub.
/r/MensRights13/11/25 05:30 PM
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You're so bitter that you think you speak on behalf of billions of women. That's adorable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 05:29 PM
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What argument? You've not presented anything other than "men just use women for sex, no I will not elaborate, my proof is because I said so". I mean, I think I can see the issue of why men may not want you for anything else...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 05:24 PM
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"Proof? Because I said so". Unfathomable levels of ignorance. Please look up the definition of objectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 05:17 PM
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Another one for the bingo card - "your real life experiences are clearly not real and you're lying because they don't suit my narrative." How incredibly disappointing, you seemed so confident and were speaking "objectively" and yet brought nothing to the table other than... that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 05:13 PM
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Ah yes, the insightful question of "what else do men use women for other than sex?". Truly groundbreaking stuff. I can't speak on your own projection here, but personally none of my relationships have been driven by sex. I can confidently say none of the men in my friendship group have had relationships driven solely by a desire for sex. Now seeing as you were speaking "objectively", I'm sure you have some quality backing for your accusation that "objectively" men use women for sex and little el…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 05:09 PM
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Oh look, a woman who can't debate without just resorting to insults instead of providing substance. I'm shocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 05:04 PM
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What allegations are being presented in your screenshot? Isn't everyone innocent unless proven guilty? Who?
/r/MensRights13/11/25 05:03 PM
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What allegations?
/r/MensRights13/11/25 05:01 PM
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You're contradicting yourself in the same post. "A lot of people are turning on Trump". "Tate was still popular". Trump is still popular. A lot of people turned on Andrew Tate. You're making arguments and simultaneously arguing with yourself throughout this entire thread because you can't stay consistent on the issues, you just move the goalposts depending on what fits your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:31 PM
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Facts? Alright: 80% of white evangelicals voted Trump, 56% of all Christians did. same for Tate: 52% of teen boys follow him, but statistically only 28% of adults that would consider themselves red pill follow him. So by your logic, Christianity revolves around Trump. In fact, moreso than the red pill ideology revolves around Tate. Think that just about wraps this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:27 PM
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What about the ones spending 10 hours a day on PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:20 PM
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So confidently incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:13 PM
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Then his grift wouldn't be so popular with the redpill. Then Trump wouldn't be so popular with Christians. We can do this all day...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:03 PM
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Exactly, so if Christianity’s core is Jesus, not Trump, then red pill’s core is sexual strategy & male self-improvement, not Andrew Tate’s grift, and the data backs that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 03:30 PM
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Your wording is very clever, and very calculated. You talk about Christians, government, public education, we spoke about feminism, and about calling out the bad stuff within it. As soon as you circled back to red pill, your wording shifted to "revolve". "Redpill revolves around hating women". I see you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:58 PM
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That's why I stopped replying, couldn't keep up with the moving of the goalposts lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:47 PM
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The analogies don't help you out at all, because you're pigeon-holing groups of people based on popular figureheads. JK Rowling doesn't represent all feminists. Andrew Tate doesn't represent all red pillers. It's really that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:53 PM
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You want the red pill to be a monolith because it benefits your argument. I told you you don't understand what the red pill actually is, and your response was "here's a link with 25 things Andrew Tate said". That's like me responding to a question about feminism with a link to the shit JK Rowling has said.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:46 PM
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Doesn't matter, we should still carry ourselves with respect even if we disagree, we're representing ourselves here, otherwise are we not just stooping to their level?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:44 PM
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We can make our points as men without resorting to this. Do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:42 PM
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Red pill ≠ Andrew Tate Hope that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:41 PM
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If you think red pill is just talking shit about women I don't think you really understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:37 PM
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What I find particularly interesting is the complete lack of outrage over the rise of platforms like OnlyFans. They talk about the subject in their post being normalised, being robbed of their youth, what she could have become, her future etc. And yet, not a single post on that sub about OnlyFans. All I can find actually is conversation in favour of it. A young adult woman apparently does not have the capability to make her own decisions in regards to who she dates, and yet it's absolutely no pr…
/r/MensRights13/11/25 12:56 PM
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"misogyny kills women but misandry irritates men"
/r/MensRights13/11/25 12:44 PM
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That's a big part of it, absolutely. And that goes not just for the beginning, but well into the relationships as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:53 AM
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About tree fiddy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:55 PM
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Yeah I'd say alongside social skills it's appearance and occupation that matter more than "social status".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:53 PM
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Are you in high school or college OP? Genuinely curious, because otherwise I'm not sure what you're getting at when you talk about social status. Depending on your answer that then frames this debate a little differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:52 PM
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Reddit would probably take it down in a flash
/r/MensRights12/11/25 09:31 PM
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Focusing on accountability then I'll give one example, have you ever noticed how within the last few years every man is suddenly a toxic abusive narcissist? I've lost track of the amount of women who give me the same old story about their exes (and oftentimes it seems to be every single ex) only to show their true colours before long and you begin to see who the real problem was.* There is no need for them to take accountability, because it's on to the next, they've got other options waiting for…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:18 PM
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I wouldn't conflate accountability with responsibility personally, but for the sake of this debate I'll take your point. Everyone is responsible for basic decency, only one side gets socially punished for failing it. The accountability gap is the social cost. Men are responsible for asking, paying, risking rejection and ridicule. Women? Opt in, opt out, no penalty, hundreds of other options available at any time. That's the gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:37 PM
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Why are you reframing what I said? I said accountability, not responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:28 PM
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Of course. Women now get all of the positives of dating, with none of the accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:16 PM
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I posted the content of the post elsewhere in this comments section. Not sure I'm allowed to name the sub as it may be classed as brigading.
/r/MensRights12/11/25 04:20 PM
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Seriously? Man that's ridiculous. I also live there but been using a VPN ever since the ridiculous digital ID stuff started so didn't notice the Imgur ban. Here's the text from the image (a post from elsewhere on Reddit): Title: Women's subs having a ' no misandry rule' MISANDRY IS NOT REAL! Rule 1 of trollxchromosomes says you aren't allowed to be 'misandrist'. I used to think that sub was a good alternative to twoxchromosomes but it is still policing women's speech. How will feminism get anywh…
/r/MensRights12/11/25 04:15 PM
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I'm having the same issue visiting external links on Reddit at the moment, not sure what's going on with that. Try clicking on the image from the subreddit homepage, rather than inside the actual post (if that makes sense?), that's working for me. Edit: just did a search and yeah Reddit are aware of the issue and trying to resolve it.
/r/MensRights12/11/25 04:09 PM
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"How will mens rights get anywhere if mens rights spaces are policing 'misogyny'? Someone got mad because a man called women creatures. Apparently that is disrespectful eyeroll. I hate women the most, but god I hate men who police other men's language about women." Can you imagine if someone here wrote something like that?
/r/MensRights12/11/25 03:59 PM
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Thank you for giving your thoughts on this, it was really refreshing to read.
/r/MensRights12/11/25 01:11 PM
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That's not what he said. Some of you really can't debate this subject without twisting others words to fit your narrative can you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:02 PM
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You didn't address his point. At all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:58 PM
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Thanks bro much love
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:06 AM
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I could, but I'd rather not stoop to that level, you know? I might as well not bother if it's just going to be that kind of toxic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:27 PM
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I agree with your points, especially about it being new age stuff. To me it's no coincidence that we are seeing all this discussion about how difficult dating is nowadays, at the same time that pretty much any sense of boundaries have been thrown out the window. People want monogamous relationships, but with as little of the commitment that they can get away with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:43 PM
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You specifically have just projected your own unrelated issues with men all over this thread instead of contributing to the debate, and therefore you specifically were called out. Hope that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:22 PM
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Someone told you you weren't contributing anything actually relevant to the subject matter, and you immediately cry misogyny. Absolutely disgraceful.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:18 PM
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You: "I still support women every day who are pulling their hair out because their children’s fathers don’t help out at all." Also you: "you want a medal for literally just doing your job?" The double standards are remarkable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:16 PM
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I'm talking about your entire contribution to this thread. And don't play that game, it's pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:11 PM
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How on earth did you catch a ban for that? Your take was incredibly well reasoned.
/r/MensRights11/11/25 10:06 PM
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That's wonderful and all but not many of the issues you are taking with men seem to be relevant to what we are discussing in this post. If you turned up to this debate just to vent your frustrations with men then I'd suggest maybe writing your own post?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:49 PM
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And women will continue to wonder why the rate of failure of relationships is so high these days when they vilify boundaries and respect in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:35 PM
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But the "boundary" being violated as described in the OP is simply having male friends or male friends with a romantic history. That's saying who she can or can't be friends with, which is absolutely controlling. Remarkable number of people in this post are straight up lying about what I've said in my OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:25 PM
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An impossible task it seems. Tried posting this elsewhere and further gaslighting came flooding in.
/r/MensRights11/11/25 08:35 PM
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You have to be trolling at this point. One final time and if you still can't grasp this then there's no hope. It is from real experiences with women, past and present. Not all women, but plenty enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:30 PM
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No one in this thread has said that posting "any pictures" online is for male validation. You're repeatedly twisting people's words and stripping the nuance away to make your point. Essentially not far off what my OP describing in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:26 PM
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There's no shame in just saying you didn't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:18 PM
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But I've answered that question several times already both to you and throughout this thread? One more time: I am not saying that all women behave like this, and I am giving my views based on real life experiences. That, again, does not apply to every woman in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:16 PM
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Why are you responding to a completely unrelated comment chain then lol. I feel like we are replying to each other in two totally separate parts of the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:08 PM
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Thanks for confirming you twisted my words I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:07 PM
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I feel like you've made the most uncharitable read of my comment possible in order to create an argument. Where did I say that? The words "protect" and "friends" don't even feature in the comment chain lol. Me and the other commenter were talking about caring for partners, children and elderly relatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:04 PM
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I'm in agreement with you on these things. I am aware I likely have an anxious attachment style, and myself have dated people who have. It comes with a lot responsibility to ensure that this attachment style doesn't cause actual toxic behaviours and that you're able to have healthy communication, and ultimately you won't always be compatible with everyone. And to clarify, I'm not saying that I'd be uncomfortable with male friends or posting pictures online outright, I did articulate the nuance a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:59 PM
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Well no, you've quoted words that I did not say in my post, so the burden is on you to show me where exactly I said those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:56 PM
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I never said that. Maybe get better reading comprehension lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:49 PM
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To be clear, you are telling me straight up that I am lying about not watching red pill content, and could only have learnt supposed "buzzwords" from them. That is gaslighting, bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:47 PM
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My TikTok feed is delightful, I'm sorry your feed is full of such ragebait content.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:45 PM
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You appear to have taken every shred of nuance out of my post and put words in my mouth. Not interested in that sort of debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:44 PM
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I never said men and women can't be platonic friends? Where on earth did you get that from?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:42 PM
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It's a shame that you are unable to take a man's opinion and experiences at face value. The gaslighting is unnecessary. I never at any point said "all women" either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:38 PM
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Why do you hate to break it to me? You seem awfully combative over something I'm not disagreeing with you over.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:35 PM
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I was responding to the comment that specifically spoke about women who have double standards, so I'm not sure why you hyper-focused in on my comment. And yes, I know I can do those things. And at no point during my post did I say a woman can't and shouldn't do those things either. You've clearly missed every shred of nuance that I articulated within my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:34 PM
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Thank you, you articulated that better than I could. Like you said, my post is pertaining only to reasonable jealousy. Which I understand people will have different views on what's reasonable, but men by and large get shamed and vilified just for expressing any form.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:29 PM
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If that's the experience you've had with men in your life then I am sorry to hear that. Any man worth their salt should be willing to take on that caring role for their loved ones unconditionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:21 PM
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victim olympics. And there it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:12 PM
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Right? I'm getting flooded with downvotes just for stating that something is my real life experience and not just made up from social media. They really don't like their narrative being questioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:10 PM
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This was my point in my OP. It wasn't to say it never happens to women, but in my experience and observations it's men that get hit with the red flags and accusations of toxicity, and has becoming an increasingly troublesome issue. Some people just seem to struggle with the idea of men speaking up on issues that affect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:08 PM
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Every single person's own experience is anecdotal. Every single reply to this post is anecdotal. That's how debates on social constructs work, it's all opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:01 PM
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That's quite impressive considering I've never watched a single minute of red pill social media content in my life. Side note: interesting how the blue pill response to a post about gaslighting has been to... checks notes... gaslight!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:00 PM
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If you could direct me to where I said every single woman in my life behaves like this that would be great. Not going to debate strawman arguments. Edit: also quite telling that you say "we've all seen the reels" and yet I haven't and yet I'm the one accused of being social media brained. A lot of projection going on in here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:50 PM
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Surely boundaries should be a mutual conversation with both parties open to compromise? If someone is not open to that, I'd argue they aren't open to a committed relationship. It's no wonder relationship failure rates are so extraordinary high today.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:38 PM
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Again, all influenced by real life experience. I'm not sure where all the assumptions are coming from here, but I did expect it going into this post seeing as it's Reddit. People just projecting?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:33 PM
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You've made quite the assumption about me, this post seems to have triggered you quite badly. This has all been influenced by real life experience, not through social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:32 PM
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I mean, kind of proving my point a little? My frustrations with modern dating and expression of belief in respectful boundaries is hand-waved as "insecure". Is that a fair assumption for you to make? Ultimately, I think we would all be a lot happier if we had a crystal ball where we could see ahead of time that a woman is hypocritical and has double standards, but that's not always how it works. It can be months or even years into a relationship before this behaviour is apparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:28 PM
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