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You make way too many judgements about things you don't know. I've already found someone. We've been together 7 years. We've got our long term plan laid out and have been in the process of executing it. We care deeply for each other. Sure sex is a part of our relationship, but it's definitely not the foundation. I agree. You build a relationship off of mutual respect and a desire to grow your feelings for that person, which is exactly what we did.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 03:40 PM
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I have found that this is not true of all women. Some are perfectly capable of understanding and dealing with emotional flare ups. Maybe they'll get annoyed when they see whatever is affecting him as a non-issue, but if they can recognize that the same happens in reverse they can learn to accept it. Same goes for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:29 AM
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It also takes a distinct toll on a natural face after enough time, at least when applied heavily and regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:22 AM
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As a guy, no way I could agree. The former is useless to me. I'd I don't like her as a person, I'm not going to feel comfortable being intimate with her. I want to both find someone attractiveand enjoy their personality and world view. Speaking for myself, I don't think any other relationship would even be worth an attempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:18 AM
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Depending on your country marriage is a legal thing too. You can get screwed financially if your partner dies and you aren't married, regardless of how long you've been together.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 01:46 AM
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Reasonable people don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:59 AM
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You're being sexist. Intuition about other humans is a skill that anyone can develop. There's no evidence that one sex is better than the other at this. Feel free to provide any evidence that isn't anecdotal to prove me wrong. I know that you can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:56 AM
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Absolutely wrecked this guy. Nice. I haven't come across such insufferable talk in a very long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:46 AM
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How in the world do you doubt that? Muslims make up like 2% of the U.S. population. They make up higher percentages in some European countries but not enough to make that kind of sweeping change.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:36 AM
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So do you just want to stay single or what? If you think women are the root of all evil there's no way you would want to live with one, let alone marry one or have kids with them. Do you feel that because of this you can't possibly have the fulfilling life you're arguing for?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:30 AM
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What would those people have any incentive to support someone they don't love or care for in the case of old age or illness? You can bet if my dad set me up with someone I didn't care for even though I told him as much that I wouldn't be caring for him in his old age. You think people are going to give to care to people they may not even like out of a sense of duty or responsibility somehow? That's not how the majority of people function today, and it never was before. We've just dropped the fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:24 AM
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The majority of people in civilized countries no longer see marriage as a business transaction. It used to be much more necessary than it is now. If your life means being miserable stuck with someone you may not even like, what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:15 AM
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No it's not and it's not even close. No it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:03 AM
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Source on that? Should her husband be picking her job for her too?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:00 AM
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You really want your dad choosing your partner for you? What if you don't find him/her attractive? Also there's essentially no evidence whatsoever to suggest that women are more "emotional" than men. Maybe that they are typically more in tune with their emotions, but not that they just have more emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:58 PM
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Yeah, I think most people would feel similarly in that situation. It was a really sucky thing of her to do. I was at a pretty low point, having just been dumped by my previous ex a few months before and had not been taking it well, so it was an all around bad semester. I spent more time than I'd like to admit pretending she was someone else. I know it'd have to be the same way with that friend. As for my friends that I'm more attracted to, would I have sex with them if there were no feelings or …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 06:35 AM
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He would get a lot more men arguing points with him on other subs I'm sure. Sometimes this sub feels like a men vs women sub to me when in reality I think the viewpoints held by either group cover just about the entire spectrum of opinion. People are always trying to say men think or do this and women think or do that here and it's just not accurate. There aren't as many inherent similarities within members of each sex as many people here seem to want to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:49 AM
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My Facebook profile picture is me and a female friend, so it's not just something I talk about in private. I certainly spend more time hanging with my male friends, but I tend to hangout with female friends once a month or so. Most of us are in relationships, so usually it's my girlfriend and I hanging with them and their husbands/boyfriends too, but not always. Those guys are all my friends as well, but in the cases I'm referring to I either knew these women first or was separately friends with…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:45 AM
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I believe I replied to them with a longer message higher up on the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:00 AM
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Even if they are. I have attractive female friends who I would ever date because we're not compatible at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 04:54 AM
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I'm not familiar with your lingo at the end there ( I assume it means lying?), but anyone who says straight men and women can't be platonic friends can't prove anything aside from that they themselves are incapable of making such friends. I have a number of platonic female friends. Most of whom I roomed with at school. Most of which have I ever had any romantic interest in at all. We were just in clubs, classes, or other extracurriculars together and bonded over our shared schedules and interest…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 04:54 AM
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I'm not familiar with your lingo at the end there ( I assume it means lying?), but anyone who says straight men and women can't be platonic friends can't prove anything aside from that they themselves are incapable of making such friends. I have a number of platonic female friends. Most of whom I roomed with at school. Most of which have I ever had any romantic interest in at all. We were just in clubs, classes, or other extracurriculars together and bonded over our shared schedules and interest…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 04:53 AM
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Same would go for her if he stopped sleeping with her. Sex is generally considered part of any healthy relationship. If one partner all the sudden stops ever wanting to, that's going to be likely to cause problems no matter which partner it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 04:38 AM
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I think the second is a lot more important than the first as time passes. After 5 or 6 years I could take or leave the sex most nights. Pretty sure she feels similarly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 04:31 AM
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So date women who act more in line with your beliefs and not based on which ones you think are most likely to have sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 04:25 AM
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This is a huge generalization. This is not true of most men that make for good partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 04:22 AM
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Agreed. Though to the individual it probably does feel that way. Overall I think the "problem" isn't so much of a problem at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:33 AM
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This is definitely not an average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:15 AM
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This isn't true of all things. If you can verify something through logical or scientific means you don't need all people to agree. This is something that is only subjective. There's no way to test for the truth of attractiveness scientifically. The most I've ever seen any studies come up with is that a symmetrical face is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 10:34 PM
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Obviously he meant foot models.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 10:02 PM
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If all men don't agree then it's not really objective. It's just a popular opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 10:00 PM
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It almost feels unbelievable to me that any adult would consider a number rating system at all. Every number is subjective. There's no such thing as an objective rating of attractiveness. One man's 10 is going to be another man's 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 09:59 PM
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Is the assumption that most women who fit that criteria are already locked down by adulthood?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 09:57 PM
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There is no objective 10, 9, 8, 7, 5, or even 1. 1-10 ratings are essentially useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 09:54 PM
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The only political or religious differences I care about in a partner are those that would effect parenting. As long as someone else is tolerant of my beliefs I can be tolerant of theirs. My parents have opposing views on just about everything related to politics and religion, and many things related to culture. They have always had a pretty good relationship. They argue from time to time and never seemed to make an effort not to do so in front of me, but I would also say I've never seen them ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 09:24 PM
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I would recommend joining groups or clubs or what have you that could eventually put you into something akin to the 3rd scenario. I don't necessarily think the first two situations are invalid, but I'd expect less luck there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 10:59 PM
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I feel a mixture of concern for people that actually seem to struggle with poor social ability or who did not create strong relationships while they were younger, and a bizarre desire to watch the "freak show" so to speak. There are so many ideas that people have here about how relationships are formed and why that are totally bonkers to me. In some cases it reads like people have never looked up anything and only operate on anecdotal knowledge, and others it reads like people got their ideas ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:41 PM
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I'm a man and tend to agree with this myself. Some of these issues truly are concerning, and that's why I'm here, because I have an interest in providing any insight that I can as someone who is both in a loving long term relationship, and who has been surrounded by them my entire life. There are people here who have legitimate hurdles and difficulties, but there's also a lot of weeds in the garden.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:27 PM
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People use only their own anecdotal knowledge when it comes to this stuff. If you look up statistics, men always tend to have more sexual partners than women. Even aside from the ability to have sex, you've got to talk willingness. Not all people like to have sex for the same reasons, and there's data that would suggest that women do not tend to desire quick fix sex at the rate that men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:23 PM
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I really think having one would be more rare. This is the first I've ever heard of something like this and I have a decent amount of female friends under 35. Is this only present for single women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:13 PM
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Have you attempted to find a woman who shares your nuerodivergence? That may produce some results. I work with developmental disabilities as a profession, and have seen relationships form in this manner. It obviously has it's own challenges, but seems to have it's own rewards as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:05 PM
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I immediately discount an argument that uses an /10 rating for people's attractiveness. It doesn't work. It doesn't make sense and can only cause harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:02 PM
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It depends on the GF and BF and the boundaries they have worked out with each other. I think in most cases both are fine, but I don't have much insight on this as neither of these things really apply to my relationship. I don't use any social media or subreddits where such likes are applicable, and she doesn't wear bikinis or post on social media. I would recommend that both of these hypothetical people stop using it to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:58 PM
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Most of those friends are people I knew from before I was ever old enough to own a phone, so maybe that helped me along. Don't have to go out to make friends in school, though I understand that's not easy or possible for a lot of kids. I don't know how I did it when I moved to a new school in 3rd grade. One day I decided I needed friends, picked two guys I knew were friends with each other, approached them and asked to play. I'm still very close friends with one of them. I made like two more fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:02 PM
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You can bet people will fight for their right to party so to speak. There's no way anyone can pass effective laws to stop people from having casual sex with each other, and naturally no one should try. It's too personal for something like that, and would go against the enshrined principles of most western nations, and those are generally not meant to be easily undone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 08:36 PM
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Not a problem. I'd be happy to read anything you come up with. It could be that I have not heard or experienced this because maybe I wouldn't be considered a socially unsuccessful man. I don't feel particularly strong socially, and would say if anything this has gotten worse throughout my life (I would say I was very good about it when I was a child), but I have maintained most of my relationships with friends, family, or significant others for long periods of time, and seem to stumble into new …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 08:26 PM
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That does sound frustrating. If a man is going to do something like that though, don't you think that you wouldn't have wanted to be with them in the long run anyway? My values aren't really the same as yours, but if I really liked a woman I wouldn't do something like that. Honestly I don't think dating apps are useful to establish a meaningful long term relationship. There are going to be a lot more people looking for hookup culture than there are people looking for something long term in my ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:36 PM
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I'm brand new here and some of the things I see people saying about "most men" or "most women" are things I've never heard in my life. Frankly I don't think I even understand yet what the debate is supposed to be about based on the posts I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:16 PM
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That's undeniable, but I tend to see those people lashing out at the choices that other people make that they believe have disenfranchised them. I have pretty much never met anyone with a live and let live attitude that is broken or miserable unless it was the result of situations where the actions of others were not allowing them to live as they pleased.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:11 PM
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It does however mean that you can't actually do anything about it aside from try and change people's minds. Based on the direction we have been heading I don't see that happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:05 PM
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If other people exercising freedom hurts you, there's nothing you can do about it in a free society. You don't have to support it, but you also most likely can't actively do anything to undermine it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:04 PM
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That's literally the only conducive way to live in a country that prides itself on personal freedom. I'm sure some countries don't have quite the same cultural individualism, and your comment would be more true in those places, but for most western countries it's a philosophy that can bring people a lot of happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:57 PM
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Who is saying these things? I've not experienced any of this at all. Why don't you just not engage with whatever outlets are spreading such garbage?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:55 PM
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It's seriously that easy. This debate is pointless. No practice is more virtuous than another and you should not feel threatened by the practices of anyone else, especially not a person you love. This goes for nearly every opinion, not just those about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:54 PM
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That freedom absolutely exists. It's not oppressive or bitter, and anyone saying as much are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:51 PM
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Do you feel it's degrading to yourself in some way? What harm does sex positivity do in your eyes that applies to people who don't practice it? I think You should be proud of your choices in relation to sex as long as you feel good about them, and that the same goes for anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:49 PM
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I'm not sure I have even seen what you're talking about. People should just do what they want, which I think most people tend to agree with. If you want to have 10+ sexual partners, go for it. If you want to wait for just 1, do that, or whatever else in between. There's nothing helpful about suggesting that one way or the other is better for someone else, just do what's best for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:44 PM
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I agree. I don't think the role of technology here is that large. I talk to my friends when I go to the bar. I only go if I'm going with them. I don't really spend that much time on my phone there, I spend time with the group I went with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:40 PM
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I don't know if it wasn't this way in years past, but I could probably count on one hand how many strangers I've spoken to in a bar that weren't actively serving me something, and I used to go weekly. I don't go alone, I go to hangout with friends (though nowadays I pretty much don't go at all because it's so expensive), and in that scenario I have no desire to talk to anyone else. I'll talk to strangers if they talk to me, but I pretty much never talk to someone else first.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:37 PM
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That's within your control. Do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:31 PM
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All guys? I'm nearly 30 and that number went from 2 to 3 (and will almost certainly not raise again). The maximum it could be at this point is 6 or 7 due to opportunities I turned down or situations where timing or geography worked against us or in situations where I would have been cheating on a partner. If I couldn't fit all of these in without cheating I know there wouldn't have been time for any others. Some dudes prefer to be in long term relationships and aren't cool with having sex with s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:28 PM
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I'm beginning to wonder if the way we as a culture handle dating is part of the problem. I have always felt most comfortable and confident when asking someone on a date whom I already knew that I liked as a person. A lot of dating is initiated based on superficial factors, doesn't work because what are the chances you match well with someone that you don't really know, and then it becomes a cycle. Eventually it will lead people to success, but things like dating apps or meeting someone at random…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 12:13 AM
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If anything it was much more true at pretty much every point in modern history than it is now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 12:04 AM
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This has been my experience. I've been in relationships where it did not feel like an equal partnership or where there were things expected of me specifically because I'm the man. I did not like those relationships. Some I have ended, and others have been ended on me. My current relationship is exactly like what you describe. We both cook sometimes. We both pay sometimes. And sometimes we do those things together. Sometimes she initiates getting intimate and sometimes I do. Our relationship star…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 12:03 AM
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You could absolutely spend that much a nice homemade meal, at least the lower end. I have never had a date that cost me more than $120.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 11:55 PM
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Is this coming from men who are currently in the dating scene? I would say that most men in long term relationships would say that it's common, at least those I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 11:53 PM
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This is exactly how my parents used to be (dad is retired now and has stepped up significantly in that time). Dad never got to work a single job he really liked. Grinded away at work and would come home and absorb himself into video games/TV. I've heard him outwardly express that this is/was to escape the real world. He was our primary breadwinner for most of my life (though mom slowly creeped up behind him, achieving a similar salary by the time I was in highschool and overtaking him by the tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:14 AM
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In some strange way I look forward to this decline. It's like snapping a rubber band that's been stretched to it's limit as slowly as possible. Hopefully whatever rises from the ashes actually tries to put people first.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:58 AM
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For sure, and whatever solution (if any) that arises will match what the perceived problem is. This problem is viewed as being an economic one, so I imagine if any solution is implemented it will focus less on actually satisfying anyone and more on fixing the bottom line.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:45 AM
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That is not necessarily true. Your environment can play a huge role in something like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:10 AM
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