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So you think it’s ok to stoop to the level of bad women? And if it’s not the same woman you could be using a good woman who actually likes you. Imagine a bad woman uses you for a free meal so you get bitter and use a good woman with good intentions for sex and she’s upset for ages because she actually liked you. You really think it’s ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 12:17 PM
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Early marriage leads to higher divorce risk. Feel free to look up the study or ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 11:58 PM
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If the average woman is older maybe he shouldn’t think women “hit the wall” at 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 10:10 PM
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Just say you want to get into shape or stay in shape and you don’t have to say why.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 09:46 PM
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Autistic/ADHD women or women with a history of dating autistic men might not. Or a lot of compassion. Maybe get friends to help you meet them. You can hire RentAFriend for someone who’s just a friend but could set you up with someone. Another thing you could do if you don’t want to change too much about yourself is go to social groups and ask for advice a lot to really get better at understanding people including women. Understanding others isn’t masking yourself. Having consideration for others…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:59 PM
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It’s really their code for wanting to use her for sex unless it’s very early on and he just wants to get to know her with a few more dates. Even then he would eventually label it if he likes her. If he wanted to he would.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 08:39 AM
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But other women are interested in proposing to men 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 03:04 PM
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I don’t want marriage but if I did I might
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:50 PM
2

I don’t believe in something being a man’s job except something like sperm dining. But get for being pro active
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:48 PM
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If no one asks it never happens. Women can initiate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:36 PM
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Maybe just a few months before he was going to propose or something. These things take time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:23 PM
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I think if you beat him to it or are ok with female initiating is fine but if he never intended to you are right it’s bad
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 01:53 PM
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True but it doesn’t mean he has to be the only one to chase it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:21 PM
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So they’re available for dating other guys (eg you) only after their monogamous relationships or after they met you (the case a lot of the time). That’s kind of how things work broken or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:20 PM
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Some women don’t expect much paying so just say you want her to pay her share and weed out users easily
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:17 PM
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I don’t think helping someone “broken” (subjective) is pathetic if you live them and they still have something to offer. If you’re in love and there’s attraction and a healthy relationship it’s not a loser move. It’s only a loser move if he doesn’t want her and does all this out of desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:14 PM
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First of all have you ever heard of women with jobs? Second of all affordable Christmas presents and picnics exist so it wouldn’t have to require tonnes of overtime to afford it. Third of all what if you love her? Fourth of all what if she’s beautiful and loving and does nice things for you and has more to offer than just looks and sex? You only believe her value is in free fall if you only care about looks and even then she might age well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:09 PM
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What if she asks for commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:07 PM
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As all friendships should be
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 11:06 PM
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It is if she’s discreet from you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 07:19 PM
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Or she doesn’t bring him along. The best way to be discreet is to meet different people in different situations at different times.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 07:02 PM
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But he could be another make friend for all you know if she’s discreet about it. Some ppl have secret boyfriends for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 06:58 PM
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That’s why I said ask them not to talk about it so you won’t know. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 06:51 PM
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If she says he is just a friend he literally has no reasonable expectation of sex. If she’s a good friend will help him too. Guys are more likely to pay dates than friends so he will invest less in her. Extortion is a real crime not her just wanting a friendship like a normal innocent person.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 06:49 PM
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You can have space and care about your emotional well-being but sometimes some people can continue the friendship and be glad they did as long as it’s not all about false hope
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 06:46 PM
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You can be upset but I think if you cared about her as a friend it’s possible. You can have some space and focus on dating other women eventually
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 06:45 PM
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Not saying you have to but couldn’t you have friendship with boundaries like “ok we can still be friends but no talking about dates or guys you’re attracted to with me”.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 06:42 PM
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True. 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 06:40 PM
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Sometimes for tactful rejection but I did care about almost all of my make friends. I only have one make friend and I care about him too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 06:39 PM
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What about women who want to be supportive friends who might not have sex with you but will help you in other ways eg advice or sticking up for you or helping you move things or getting you presents or doing nice things for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 06:23 PM
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Or if the teen girl does do whatever they want in bed it’s not really ethical enthusiastic consent
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 05:56 AM
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This
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 10:38 PM
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Agree but being interesting helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 10:26 PM
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Some guys are more funny
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 09:13 PM
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I actually think it goes both ways
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 08:47 PM
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Making her bored all the time won’t help. Being interesting is more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 06:21 PM
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I think of guys have more social skills and work on themselves (including going to the gym and being hydrated and men’s facials/skincare etc) they can age well. But your point about money and delusions is it. There’s no way a 20 something “Chad” is less attractive than the average man on a pension or even better looking (for their age) pensioner. I think men in their 20s who aren’t so attractive cope by deluding themselves into thinking being in their 30s will magically solve everything. 20s is …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 02:31 AM
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I’m not dancing with you. Oh wait!...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 06:33 AM
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You sound delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 06:24 AM
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I’m not depressed. I don’t want to die. I am capable of happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 05:19 AM
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I don’t love humanity I am a misanthrope
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 05:11 AM
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At least Menalayus knew her and married her first so there was more than looks involved. Doesn’t hurt she was considered hot though. Still horrible to create the tragedies of war (a child was sacrificed in Greek mythology and almost every war has suffering/dead children) over a breakup/rejection or something. No offence but I think if you literally mean that you should get help.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 05:06 AM
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Religious people sometimes really believe in born again virginities and TRP is ignorant. You don’t know how much more sexual she could be in marriage because they aren’t married yet. You’re just speculating. Most people don’t become so religious after that past so you are trying to show horn in some BB theory to apply to everyone when maybe it doesn’t work like that. Virgins used to being reserved can create a bigger DB risk as many Christians say their shame about desires and modesty makes them…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:30 AM
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But it can lead to something romantic
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 02:25 AM
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I agree but just looking at someone without knowing them isn’t real love because you can’t love someone you don’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 02:25 AM
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It’s not romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 02:23 AM
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Love can be platonic love and I don’t deny you want romantic relationships with attraction. Most people do. You don’t need to tell me. But it’s not love yet. Lust at first sight can lead to love but I refuse to call it live at first sight.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 10:21 PM
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It’s what’s needed to make a connection
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 10:11 PM
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Maybe find connection in ways that aren’t just about music but I see your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 10:08 PM
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Love at first sight is bs but maybe they think it’s nicer than saying lust at first sight.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 10:04 PM
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So boyfriend material is actually something to show off about now? I thought TRP said boyfriend and husband material were insults so which is it?? 🙄🙄🙄 Never mind all the articles I read about knowing if a guy is husband material is about finding a guy you value and want to spend their lives with and are sexy. Maybe red pill call them betas out of jealousy and themselves alpha males because their few ONS make them feel better about the pathetic failure the rest of their life is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 09:19 AM
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It could feel humiliating and could stop her getting other jobs if that’s their reason for not hiring her. It’s not a fulfilling job and I as a woman have never seriously considered it. There’s slut shaming and personal discomfort. I have done manual labour for low pay in the heat and cold for little money and would rather do that than let random guys see me naked.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 04:26 PM
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I have no intention of sleeping around but how would you say a promiscuous woman acts? Like lots of blatant seducing of many hot guys they meet? Bragging about it? I knew someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:52 PM
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You’re right I don’t and I won’t 💯 But some women want to be wives and work.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 10:59 PM
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I don’t want to be promiscuous or a housewife. I want to be a career lady with goals not sleeping around.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 10:54 PM
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Every adult has a past. Even virgins have non sexual experiences and memories.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 09:54 PM
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Normally I blame guys for bad assumptions. But you asked him to guess. He could have no idea and just base it off number of women he slept with and guessed your N count was the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 09:48 PM
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But TRP encourages male promiscuity and adultery.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:31 PM
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THIS. Bad men can’t deal with their own hypocrisy and bad choices and let TRP delude them into thinking they can sleep around like Roosh V but suddenly a virgin trad wife will actually want them. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:30 PM
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Not denying there’s a lot of bad in humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:54 PM
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You summed up TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:51 PM
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Some red pill guys don’t want to commit to any women. And if it’s influence is growing like you say then being a trad wife isn’t so good. And it’s not the good old days for abused women who can’t leave due to financial dependency.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 03:41 PM
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Oh you mean good men in other ways? Most people are using that as a euphemism for wealth so kudus for being less shallow. Having said that I can’t help thinking a lot of the 80% isn’t like that and many were probably treated badly/cheated on. Not all men are bad but many are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 03:36 PM
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Providing for myself isn’t the same as providing for another but maybe I could provide for a man in future if I have more money if he cooks or does errands for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 03:29 PM
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So if it’s so “beta” why not accept her providing for herself? Why does red pill whine about career women so much then? What is their problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 02:00 PM
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The red pill cultivates this attitude of saying a man is beta if he wants to take care of his family and provide then expect women to want to depend on men as SAHMs and SAHWs. Like if you teach men not to be providers then don’t blame women for wanting to be career women providing for themselves. If you won’t provide she will. For herself. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 01:50 PM
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SATC is expensive when you think about it. Expensive apartments, restaurants, tonnes of expensive clothes and shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 12:12 PM
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Especially with fears about lack of contraception US
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 12:08 PM
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Wealth isn’t everything. Guys who think t is get divorced because they didn’t think to treat her right.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 01:33 AM
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I think both should try harder to be a healthy weight
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:17 PM
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Idk of that’s true but hotties can be depressed. Depression is complicated so it’s not the same as just getting rid of uglies. And euthanasia in Nordic countries must be consensual rather than whatever bs that horrible women posted on his comment where he says women in her want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 08:40 AM
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Just because I am not attracted to him I don’t wish death on him. If I am actually being honest there are some guys who would get dates if they looked better and I notice if they have good other qualities. Especially chubby guys who can just loose weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 07:51 AM
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Depression is worse than being ugly even then the Nordic countries only kill those who consent so it can’t justify eradicate a group if some would want to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 07:45 AM
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I thought that’s what you were implying maybe I got the wrong idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:56 PM
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Living alone doesn’t mean she’s promiscuous. She could be taking it slow before moving in with her boyfriend or waiting for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 02:17 PM
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What if her land lord doesn’t allow anyone else to live with her because they don’t trust extra people to not cause trouble??
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 02:16 PM
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That’s disgusting! They slandered you and even if you did sleep with them it would have been your business (unless they were subordinates or something) and they laid you off when all along they harassed you!!!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 02:15 PM
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It is possible to be a virgin at Hooters. They’re wearing a uniform for their job and tips and not expected to have sex with the ogling customers. They can look but don’t touch. NGL I still think it’s a dubious business.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:25 PM
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I sympathise with autistic ppl of both genders and there should be social groups to help them be less socially awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 11:51 AM
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Ironic how he’s writing bs to whine about getting rejected for a ONS and now she’s the entitled one for have boundaries 🙄🙄🙄 I always thought it was odd that this would be how it turned out if he was just asking for more conversation and now I see the plot hole. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 01:52 AM
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So he’s switching stories too. Kudus for calling out that phony.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 01:49 AM
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Setting boundaries is not entitlement. She’s not a female version of an incel thinking the government has to provide her with a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 04:31 PM
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Good
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 05:55 AM
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Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 01:07 AM
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That’s not what I meant. I was referring to false pretences.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 01:05 AM
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Maybe not charged with a crime but it should be socially condemned. Society should stop enabling selfishness and deceit by pretending that it’s ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 01:04 AM
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True but people do think it’s also government responsibility to do something about the hole in the ozone layer to reduce UV levels. Actually that’s what happened and governments worked together and made regulations about CFCs to reduce it and now it’s getting better. Good thing government took responsibility too but obviously I support sub screen. I keep it in my bag daily and put it on whenever I go out in the sun long term and wear clothes covering most of my skin. I don’t get used for sex and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 10:05 PM
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Did you say red pill? I think you mean red flag if you think about it. 🤔 They should be called the red flag community.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 08:58 PM
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I think the incel community cleared that assumption up. It’s over.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 08:56 PM
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I think both people should have condoms stored just in case. And I literally bought boxes of conforms for my relative when she got a boyfriend don’t act like I don’t support women precautions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 07:29 PM
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Some of these women are wonderful caring people and told me about romantic things they did before being mistreated because things turned bad. So much more to offer than sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 07:11 PM
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Maybe not chaste men but not guys who sleep around like Roosh V then demand a virgin trad wife
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 07:09 PM
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Good for having no kids and good pull out etc but I think you should use a condom because child support and other human lives is one thing you shouldn’t gamble with. It’s not a casino. Gamble with almost anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 07:08 PM
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Being well dressed or wearing makeup or heels or certain underwear isn’t morally wrong or deceitful. I am not saying all women are better but using bs examples isn’t it. Well done for finding a good example of a real issue at last: paternity fraud. This is why society should have a database of all DNA ASAP and with new horns starting at birth so paternity fraud and crimes can be solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 07:06 PM
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Not all men lie. I wasn’t complaining about all men just the bad men. If you’re a good honest man I wish you well. 🍀💯💯 I think in previous generations women really did cheat less but that was because of lack of contraception/ability to leave. Not saying all women are inherently angels or whatever but in previous generations it’s less likely for those reasons and you can look up stats. Boomers have significantly more men cheating but young generations eg millennials or younger have it even. Gen X…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 07:03 PM
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I don’t go for those guys but women in my family have been mistreated by bad men. My friends have been too and hearing them tell me about thee problems upset me because they deserve better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 06:59 PM
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I currently have only one male friend and he wants prettier women to isn’t attracted to me. If anything he friend zoned me. He kept sending me pictures of his beautiful girlfriend expecting me to be a supportive friend. I was but don’t act like I friend zoned him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 06:58 PM
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I don’t support bad women either. Guys deserve better than being cheated on too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 04:43 PM
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I mean better than being deceived because lying is wrong regardless of gender. Unless it’s an emergency or something but getting more sex isn’t it. Plus he could honestly hire a hooker or find a woman who wants the same thing. It’s the honesty she deserves so she’s not used. Not saying she’s entitled to a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 04:31 PM
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This is nothing in comparison to deception for sex by pretending to care! If someone’s really fat and ugly all that won’t hide it. I condemn real lying women and I know not all women are angels but stop using bs examples. Previous generations men cheated more but now it’s equalising and I think women who cheat are just as bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 04:28 PM
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It’s hypocritical if he slept around or made bad choices himself. I can’t take a guy too seriously if he’s such a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 04:25 PM
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I don’t think I am entitled to men wanting me. I just deserve honesty. If he’s being honest about only wanting casual sex that’s not what I am talking about. If she wants it too it’s her choice and that’s also not what I am talking about. I mean guys who lie. Guys who lie to use women for sex have a bad personality. So do guys who think they’re entitled to manipulate women for sex because they feel so superior they think they’re in a higher league. That’s just a personality that has a lot in com…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 04:22 PM
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She’s a female simp basically. She’s pathetic and is well past reasonable compromise and self improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 03:13 PM
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I encourage people to be careful with things that seem suspicious but let’s not release Bernie Madeoff
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:50 PM
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I think women can be encouraged to anyway but excusing him actually makes it seem like he’s not so bad and she should put up with it. Bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:50 PM
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Used is if she’s manipulated. Like fraud. If they both honestly want something casual that’s different.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:49 PM
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If a used car salesman commits fraud I hope he gets locked up like Bernie Madeoff. I support better vetting but most shame is on the sleazy decietful guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:48 PM
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I can’t help wishing condolences for all the women having to deal with this bs
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:44 PM
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I don’t think we’re entitled to any guy we want just for guys who are going for us to not be so manipulative and awful liars
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:44 PM
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If someone deceives you then they’re in the wrong regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:43 PM
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Makeup isn’t manipulative because it doesn’t do enough if someone is so ugly even that won’t help and some women are naturally beautiful. You would know if you get to know her enough anyway or stayed the night etc. If it’s subtle it won’t make much difference if it’s obvious guys should be able to tell it’s there. It’s only manipulative if she lies and say she’s wearing no makeup when she is. Otherwise there’s no deception. And makeup isn’t always about guys anyway. Sometimes it’s worn at partie…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:42 PM
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At least stop excusing the bad faith actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:37 PM
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I mean deserve not to be used but she doesn’t inherently deserve a better man because he can say no and she can be alone. And it’s not negotiating if someone is manipulative and using to the point where it’s more like fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:25 PM
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Maybe some had the right intentions but grew apart in their marriages or got cheated on or mistreated. Admittedly some women do bad things like cheating etc which is wrong too but cheating is equal in this generation and higher for men in older generations so it’s not always as simple as women marrying men with manipulative intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:24 PM
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If you’re honest that’s different but be careful in case you have to pay for child support. That’s a bad idea for a casual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:18 PM
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I don’t condone manipulative women but that doesn’t excuse bad men. And divorce is a complicated issue because it happens for many reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:17 PM
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Thankfully but they’re still not as low as low life men who manipulate women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:12 PM
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I don’t do that and haven’t been used for sex but I actually care about other women (guys like you wouldn’t get caring about other people apparently) and am so done with all this excusing bad guys
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:11 PM
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Sometimes guys deceive ppl. Stop blaming women and saying she deserves to be mistreated and pandering to bad guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:05 PM
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Child free career women deserve better than being used for sex especially if a man thinks providing for a woman is beta. He’s just proving he can’t be relied on and calls reliable men betas to make up for his inadequate reliability.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 01:50 PM
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There needs to some compromise in a civilised society but asset confiscation that’s not taxes is usually something more extreme for criminals anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 12:41 PM
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No one gets things entirely on their own merit without benefiting from something taxes provide for. You wouldn’t have what you have if you were in a 3rd world hovel with no roads.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 12:39 PM
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If they’re not useful they should vote for change. But not letting sick ppl die is useful to any humane person!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 12:37 PM
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Money and sex are different and you use things paid for by tax dollars and got your money in a society that made it easier with taxes (less poverty for demand and roads and education for skilled ppl and deliveries) in a way that’s separate to sex. People who benefit more with more money should pay more. Taxes are a membership fee and money is more fungible than individual bodies with body autonomy. Body autonomy is more valuable than property rights. Although I support property rights after taxe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 12:27 PM
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They’re 2 different things and in many cases healthcare saves lives. And in less extreme cases almost everyone gets sick sometimes and would benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 12:14 PM
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Helping men get more attractive is a good idea but sex for them is no human right. If you want to encourage them to exercise etc good.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 12:13 PM
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Increasing social standing is not a human right. There’s plenty of other ways to relieve stress. Doing something nice, holiday, picnics, massages, gaming, therapy and although I don’t recommend too much: drinking. Using sex with another person’s body to relieve your stress is not a human right. You’re not entitled to sex. The only sexual activity you have a human right to is with yourself. I don’t believe men deserve an inherent human right to have sex with women. I am feminist. I don’t think a …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 12:04 PM
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Women don’t have to be submissive to be grateful! Just like men don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 10:46 AM
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So many women want to wait 90 days that I don’t think it’s too long if you can be ok waiting that long and it gives you a chance to focus on getting to know her. If everything else is going great that’s a sign of enthusiasm so you’ll probably get good sex when you get it if not the first time but after a few (you could get lucky the first time). Be patient and if you end up in an LTR you will have good sex with her regularly. And you will have an emotional connection, which can make it more enjo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:10 PM
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Looking hot isn’t rigging an election. Metaphorically looking hot is like fairly winning an election because the electorate really want to support you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:34 PM
1

I actually do think there’s a fairer solution: get hotter to attract women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:21 PM
1

I support frugality and careful borrowing. I think it’s better than using guys for money. I only have some (not much) sympathy for poor gold diggers. Wilful gold diggers and players get no sympathy but it’s still wrong for either to justify it to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:42 PM
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I am not a gold digger and hate the concept but I sympathise a little more if she’s poor (poverty is worse than lack of sex, it’s more harmful and prevalent). Having said that it’s not a noble thing to do. Please avoid doing this if you can. Borrow money or look for jobs or side hustles. Even being a hooker is better because it’s honest. Having said that I have zero sympathy for wilful gold diggers like Melania Trump. I don’t sympathise if they’re pumped and dumped but I still think the guy is i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:33 PM
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Then the entitled guys should stop acting like it is guaranteed eed in their delusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:55 AM
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Actually I have paid for dates. Stop assuming things about me with your zero idea of what you’re talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:49 AM
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Until they whine about Chads without money (oh wait they call providing money beta bud) 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:48 AM
1

Not everyone believes that and if you say you don’t need women then you can just not ask. Some women want to pay half. It’s not the 50s and many women split the cost. Or some have guys pay for first dates the split it after (personally I am a woman who pays her share from day one). Maybe you could date Dutch women (their culture is women paying).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:47 AM
2

I pay my share
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:41 AM
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Just no. If sex workers charge more then he’s more delusional and pathetic for thinking a cheap drink entitles him to sex. Sex is at least physically intimate and about pleasure and attraction if not love if not money (hint: more money than $4). He would be more pathetic. Thankfully I don’t do either. I don’t expect randos to buy me drinks and I don’t have delusional entitlement to sex. I don’t have time for any of that bs. 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 02:34 AM
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A sex worker would cost more it’s PATHETIC. Almost as pathetic as guys thinking they’re owed sex for a $4 drink. Delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 10:12 PM
3

Idk if you move in together but early dates each should pay their share
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 10:09 PM
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I’m a feminist who’s willing to pay on dates and I support this. It removes his transactional bs ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 10:07 PM
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1/3 means most women don’t and her having one night stands doesn’t mean she wants a guy she likes for a relationship to use her for sex. It doesn’t mean she’s using him. A better approach would be to invest emotionally and with time and not so much money so she’ll move on if she only wants money. Take your time and treat her with care but ask her to pay her share. If she really likes you she will pay her share on dates to see you again. Another thing to consider is that if you take out your issu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 10:06 PM
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I think if she makes him wait it gives her time but you’re right she must use that time wisely if she wants to vet well. If she doesn’t use that time well she’ll still be fooled.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 07:07 PM
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Actually feminism opposes the male chaser role. I think a lot of this boils down to old fashioned ideas that a man always has to ask first, chase and take the lead. The wooing thing is based on old fashioned ideas. Don’t blame feminism for outdated chivalry. The other issue is slut shaming women for being “easy” and being told she’s more desirable if she’s “hard to get”.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 07:05 PM
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FDS is mildly less awful because it would rather encourage a woman to leave a man than mistreat him like red pill encourages men to do to women. Having said that I don’t entirely support FDS because you’re right there is a lot of toxic misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 10:35 AM
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Is it always the same women? Or are you playing out your revenge fantasy with different women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 01:01 AM
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30s isn’t old. What about women in her 30s who age very well and look sexy? And matured to treat men they love like kings and be overall compassionate wonderful people. Some ppl get better with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 12:58 AM
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A lot of these things could be interpreted as women simply growing up not seeing him as a beta. 🤔 Like a more mature woman will appreciate a mature man and maybe find him more attractive. Considering ageing etc I think even different bodies are more attractive at different ages. Like I hope old ppl don’t want 14 year olds the way 14 year olds want each other (if hot by 14 year old standards). So maybe it’s about her growing up. Not denying that some paternity fraud issues are single Mums exist b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 12:49 AM
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Red pill is almost entirely manipulation of women for sex though and misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 12:03 PM
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I don’t think most women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 10:44 AM
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True but red pill etc blow it out of proportion
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 10:19 AM
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“I used up my free daily message on you” just makes her sound like she’s pressured to feel more valuable or something psychologically.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:37 PM
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I think we should care about each other’s problems. I have been rejected and supportive of guys who have been. Women can be mocked and rejected too. And I have anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:30 PM
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I think most women don’t mock as much as red pill or even most men imagine anyway. She probably just moved on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:29 PM
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Red pill hates single Mums like a dogma and I don’t even want to repeat what Incels say about them. Sometimes it’s their own Mums.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 05:01 PM
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Or not be in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 04:06 PM
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Pathetic. In a sub where men act like they only want sex!? And men aren’t entitled to relationships either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 12:45 PM
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Are you saying men choose to make their own horny choices and cause their own problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 12:39 PM
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Both. I don’t just mean wealth but someone who’s got it together or impressive is sexy. I find it hard to be attracted to someone who isn’t impressive. But I also like people who care about self improvement. Genuinely doing better not fads like red pill or crystal energy bs. I mean actually going for good goals. It’s appealing. If you want women to want you then you need drive and for it to get you somewhere. Both.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 12:34 PM
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There’s step Dads and adoption but you might have a point for some women who want kids. But child free women are in no rush.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:09 AM
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99% people over 40 have sex. It’s gonna include a lot of men. You under estimate make access to sex. Women being used for sex can make it more difficult for it to be a gateway or lead to sex. Women struggle with double standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:16 PM
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If she really wanted to date him she’s not using him even if he pays. Personally I am willing to pay my share and more women are than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:34 PM
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I’m saying why women make certain choices. And why men should think about that when they complain about lack of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:33 PM
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As a woman who has earned her own money I still think I would rather be used for money than sex. But I HATE being used whatsoever so they’re both bad. I haven’t used dates for money and I think red pill inflates the number of women who do. Equality has normalised women paying half. It’s not the 50s. I condemn the particular women who do use men for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:31 PM
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At least OnlyFans gets paid! It goes back to my point that if you’re going to be shamed get something out of it. Either cash or a hot guy in your bed giving you pleasure. But women don’t want unpaid mediocrity if they’re gonna be shamed over that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:27 PM
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Here’s some advice for free: red pill is money grabbing hype. There’s more: women want kind men but if they’re hot. Personality matters especially if you want dates but don’t think it can bypass physical attraction. Just don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:59 AM
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People might feel more deeply upset about being used for sex. It’s hard to explain but maybe because it’s more intimate. I would rather take out the price of a meal and toss it in the mud than be used for sex. And I HATE wasting money. Feeling manipulated means it’s not inherently a good thing. Anyway what is S class and E class???
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:48 AM
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I have met lots of irl guys who slut shame
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:45 AM
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I edited invented to made because he orchestrated this
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:28 AM
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Bernie Madeoff is a famous scammer. He made pyramid schemes. Look him up. Tonnes of guys slut shame women. Many on this very sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:35 AM
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It’s not about that it’s the 🤢 of smarmy guys
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:32 AM
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If she’s going to bake slut shamed for it and he doesn’t value her at all then actually she does have a problem. Especially if tricked. The same way Bernie Madeoff victims probably didn’t like getting scammed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:31 AM
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What’s an E class or S class???
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:30 AM
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It’s horrible they act like there’s something wrong with her because it happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 07:22 PM
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I don’t think they’re always shallow. They might just want to be alone with their dates. Unless they call him a loser. Given cost of living issues I can’t blame anyone for living with parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 06:58 PM
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Given the cost of living crisis that’s what you should expect. In fact someone said half of 18-35 year olds live with parents. Not even just talking about early 20s. People saying it makes you a looser are obnoxious and the concept probably started before these issues. The pandemic made it harder to move out. If you can’t afford to move out you can’t afford to. It’s that simple. Save up so you eventually can. Job search as well as have a job so you can job hop for something better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 06:56 PM
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Before that last sentence I almost thought it was just cynical speculation and gave the benefit of the doubt. But looking forward to it made me realise there is no doubt it’s a spiteful fantasy I hope doesn’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 04:20 PM
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Looking forward to it!? This desperation and suffering. What if it’s you next and you loose your job!?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 03:14 PM
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I am frugal. This is what’s wrong with the sex trade. It’s only a solution for more attractive women. Attraction is favoured financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 03:13 PM
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I think guys can be disingenuous and say they have lower standards than they actually have. If they have high standards they can just own it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 01:03 PM
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I think even virgins would have a problem with red pillers some on this sub bragging about manipulation and probably think virgins are easier to manipulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:40 AM
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Being her first can be valid to honour especially if he’s a virgin too. You’re right the rest is disgusting though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:35 AM
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Not the same because the women aren’t causing what she doesn’t want (even though those standards are a bit much). Littering actively makes the streets not clean.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:33 AM
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I don’t feel hostile if it’s just a preference of a virgin man and he still treats women well even if they’re not virgins and doesn’t degrade if use them for sex then demand a virgin bride. 🙄 Red pill teaches guys to sleep around like Roosh V then make a delusional demand for a virgin (if she has religious values she probably wouldn’t want a guy like that...same with non religious virgins with certain values so done with hypocrisy of these men who are creepy like wolves looking for prey) and hyp…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:31 AM
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This is why I like how you’re being realistic and thoughtful about this unlike guys who expect a virgin bride after they slept around like Roosh V
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:44 PM
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There’s some men and women that both need to get real I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:23 PM
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I’m not talking about me bc I don’t even claim to be religious or go to church but I think some might be more sincere than what you are describing even if some aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:23 PM
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Considering they also jump to many conclusions with their Madonna Whore complex too it’s delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 06:38 AM
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What if a virgin bride really is a virgin unlike that last line? Virgins exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 06:35 AM
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If you’re not one of those guys obsessed with body count cool but I think it’s actually beautiful you honour being her first. But red pill is about manipulation and if they like a virgin’s “innocence” it’s predatory when they do it. It sounds like a wolf looking for a sheep if you think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 06:08 AM
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I don’t think you can be sure she will take advantage of you because people can change. But it’s a reasonable boundary if you don’t sleep around yourself and it’s not a double standard. If you don’t sleep around you have a better chance of finding a low N count woman (we resent/reject PUAs more than red pill is willing to admit) so you don’t have to accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 10:44 PM
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First of all she shouldn’t have got revenge until after she got her stuff. Strategy. Second of all I don’t like how she’s using a guy for revenge. But third of all it’s me and not him. He has the audacity to complain when (as you quite rightly pointed out) his cheating DURING the relationship is MUCH worse. He’s the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:23 PM
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I think it’s about being happier alone than being with the wrong person
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:48 AM
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Sexy genuinely kind men do better than most A holes but you think they do better than nice guys because the nice guys you describe can be putting it on to get sex (simp not genuinely kind) or good guys but out of shape and not sexy etc. If he doesn’t take care of himself women can’t force themselves to be attracted to him. Attraction isn’t a choice. The only thing red pill and blue pill agrees on unless there’s more idk. Or you want to think you’re better than you are a d jealous and pathetic. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 12:06 AM
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But tattoos are permanent. Sex isn’t the only sign of compatibility and ppl could use apps to voluntarily show their sex drives on apps etc. Maybe you can invent a platform for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:41 PM
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So thankful you’re not in charge. The world isn’t quite as bad as it could be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:33 PM
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Some ppl are sexually unsatisfied and choose to marry anyway in the false hope their partners will suddenly become hornier and get disappointed when it doesn’t happen. Not my problem. Doesn’t mean I should have to get any tattoo on my forehead and I don’t want any tattoos. I think my body would be hotter without tattoos. People’s desires can change so permanent tattoos for something like that is bs. It’s not your business. The only thing that is is that mine would be 0 for guys like you. Maybe h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:32 PM
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So you think ppl have to wear them to go shopping and mind their own business!? Or you actually think people can’t date for sexual compatibility before marriage?? Ever heard of pre marital sex lives??? Your ideas are delusional. People shouldn’t have to walk around with that in front of children or if they’re embarrassed about it or in front of strangers or if it’s related to medical issues or any reason that’s their business and doesn’t owe you an explanation!!! If people want to find sexual pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:27 PM
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People shouldn’t be obligated to wear their rating everywhere for your wishes if they wouldn’t date you! They can communicate that with their dates in their own time frames and not need outsiders rating them. 🤢
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:18 PM
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If it’s most women then it’s probably not a deficit. Maybe he’s talking about extra horny guys etc anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:16 PM
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And it’s a mood booster. I think it’s good unless the meds harm you and obviously talk to a doctor first. But if it goes well great.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:15 PM
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I think you’re quoting my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:09 PM
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What we see and energy and age and maturity and hormones and emotions etc change in our bodies as well as experiences. Can explain what you’re attracted to changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:50 PM
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Apparently not for some guys
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 02:23 AM
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But other people want unattractive women to be erased or treated poorly. I think both attractive and unattractive women are 2 perspectives like pieces in puzzles to help understand the full picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:17 PM
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I don’t know if it’s the same crowd but there might be enough of an overlap to find it ironic
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:07 PM
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He’s not even suggesting treating them poorly just erasing them and people here sure do reply to unattractive men. Some are kind and supportive where as some aren’t so much. Also why not support treating unattractive people of both genders more kindly?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:02 PM
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If he was better in bed she would finish too
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 10:35 PM
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If you take her to the dorm to have sex then have sex after going there you’re not lying. But actual lying isn’t justified because it’s like saying Bernie Madeoff was justified if fraud made him rich. I don’t condone women lying either. Informed consent is important and you’re definitely in the wrong if you’re deceitful. Stop kidding yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 10:34 PM
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Lots of posts have guys saying they struggle with dating and ppl still read from them and don’t erase them even if they aren’t always treated kindly. But this wants to erase women who aren’t attractive enough. And it reinforces guys views of women having it so easy that it’s exaggerated because they think more attractive women are the only women that count.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 10:22 PM
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Unattractive women can have hot female friends and have the perspective of their own experiences as less desirable. Maybe a new perspective can help even if you want to read from hotties too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 10:19 PM
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Actually less inflation because there would be less demand from fewer people. Especially regarding accommodation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 10:08 PM
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The world’s population is growing and the world is unsustainably over populated and you want to encourage even more breeding? If people retired later (some ppl can handle working in their 70s including lawyered and politicians so people should retire later) the ageing population issue would be partly solved (it’s getting to a point where people shouldn’t just stop when they’re 60) and higher wages (fewer workers can raise wages for each worker due to less competition) to sacs for retirement is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 10:00 PM
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I think at first being boring is good because with hate some ppl can never stop the rage but with boredom you just start doing more interesting things and acting more interesting then bam they’re more interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 09:25 PM
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I think the issue at hand is too much manipulation and red pill just makes everything more toxic. The red pill mindset won’t lead to healthy relationships unless they drop it because so much manipulation cannot be healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:13 PM
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Or maybe it’s dating advice applying after a few dates or when the relationship progressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 12:53 PM
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Women aren’t job opportunities and have body autonomy and deserve rights over who she chooses interpersonally more than a corporation. She’s not a resource you can be wrongfully denied access to. Quite frankly lying about your experience isn’t that great anyway. Some guys manage without lying. Some guys lie so much they never know. Stop making phony excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 07:43 PM
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This is bs
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 02:17 PM
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I don’t think everyone needs 10 year age gaps I just think it’s possible to love someone older. 25 still gives you time with kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 12:03 PM
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I know a 19 year old who really loved a guy who was 33. What about if someone in their early 30s aged exceptionally well and is charming and compatible? What’s wrong with falling in love with them when you’re a grown adult? Lots of ppl have over 10 year age gaps. But even I think over 20 is too much unless you’re both elderly or something. Having said that I think the real reason people should wait until they’re 25+ to marry is because it’s the age the brain is fully developed and reduces divorc…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 10:00 AM
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Not wanting to have nothing after divorce and not letting it make her poor doesn’t mean she never loved him before
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 09:49 AM
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If you’re avoiding them without using them you do you 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:48 PM
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That’s like saying Bernie Madeoff couldn’t have his fun if he was honest instead of committing fraud. It doesn’t make deception right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:15 PM
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Planning to do so from the start is bad for both genders though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:53 PM
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Divorcing for trivial reasons with children is bs for men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:51 PM
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You’re not even talking about bored guys. You’re talking about guys who could be enthusiastic but jump ship to the first younger women they can get. You’re suggesting something no one would support women doing to her children.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:49 PM
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I believe in divorce if they’re genuinely unhappy or incompatible or unloving or have sex issues beyond meeting someone a bit hotter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:47 PM
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Doesn’t make it right if they have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:46 PM
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I would condemn a woman getting divorced just because she found someone hotter or richer if she had children. I think most people would too and often women have reasons like being cheated on or abused. Even if nothing like that happened it’s usually because she is genuinely unhappy. Not just because she found a guy a bit hotter. For the few women that do that they’re wrong too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:46 PM
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Youth helps but some women in their 30s age so well they’re better looking than average 20 somethings. I’m in my 20s but I know a woman roughly 10 years older who’s better looking because she’s so pretty. You shouldn’t get married if you think it’s all about looks. Applies to both genders. So if he chooses a woman who ages well (looks a bit youthful for her age and very good) and takes good care of herself and maybe buys her collagen cream and mint beauty stuff (some if the mint face wash is sur…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:43 PM
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I thought that was the third point
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:27 PM
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Youthful men can often have fun if they take care of themselves and quite frankly I wouldn’t have as much of an issue with 30 something men having their fun if they were at least honest about what they wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:18 PM
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I don’t even think any man would if he’s a good guy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:12 PM
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I paid for dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:11 PM
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You think using someone for sex just because they’ve been hurt before reasonable???
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:09 PM
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TRP teaches cruel manipulative behaviour and double standards and contradictions (sleeping around and demanding virgins; saying providing is beta and wanting a SAHM and tonnes of delusional bs) that deserves to be shamed. I would support helping men be more appealing in a reasonable way eg looks (gym, hygiene and style) and charm without vile attitudes and manipulation. Red pill is basically an emotional abuse guide. Men would gain advantages if they became more desirable and if they do that wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:06 PM
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Guys participating in hookup culture and sleeping around and encouraging it are hypocritical if they complain without changing their ways and even then are hypocritical if they demand virgins. All this manipulative behaviour is sleazy and unacceptable for men or women. Red pill complains about manipulative women and encourages men to be manipulative with no self awareness about its own hypocrisy. So much manipulative behaviour is emotionally cruel to the women they “pump and dump”. Did you know …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:33 PM
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Your body knows if you’re aroused comparison or not. You just need to be able to listen to your body. And preferably sex Ed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:17 PM
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Idk how. It speaks volumes that you admit you go there to laugh at that and the sub appeals to ppl like you and so do the comments there sound like you. It’s arranged by days and I literally told u which day to look for.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:15 PM
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Some people have ADHD and depression and aren’t stupid. I know an ADHD guy with the same grades as a girl 2 years older than him who did an extra GCSE and A level over the maximum and got into Bath university. ADHD is a condition that’s not synonymous with low IQ scores. I know pls ty if depressed people who do so well they almost fit the tortured genius trope. One is in Exiter and got level 9s (8 and 9 are A+ but 9 is a slightly higher score and 8 is like only just getting an A+). Another inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:32 PM
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But welfare increases their survival and chances of finding someone than if they were unsupported.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:19 PM
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I don’t even think that’s true because people can change situations but I think people having tonnes of kids they can’t afford isn’t doing them any favours. If there were voluntary but paid sterilisations/long term contraception for them it would reduce the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:17 PM
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Please see my comment a few comments above
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:05 PM
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ADHD isn’t stupidity. Not everyone has the same education opportunities. Intelligence is separate from both and is definitely linked to DNA. Idk if ADHD is. Education, lifestyle and personality are far too environmental based to be all about genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:03 PM
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Check the post from around 8 days ago about a woman posting saying her face was the face of domestic abuse with bruised eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:48 AM
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You read the sub so you would know anyway unless you’re lying
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:33 AM
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That’s your problem
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:30 AM
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Gold digger red flags are too much focus on your money and demands you pay for things. Try asking her to pay her share. Some women may genuinely be attracted to you and wait for sex but when it happens is she mostly enthusiastic or treating it like a chore? Does she treat you as desirable? Please ask some other people but a lot of the time if she’s feeling/acting sexy and focusing on you without it feeling forced you’ll know. Does she treat you well and really care about you? If she just sees yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:28 AM
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I think it happens but red pill exaggerates how much it happens. Besides single Mums it’s not the case so much because unlike in the 50s women work. Not saying it never happens but red pill blows it out of proportion. Besides they will act more financially needy so if you’re clued in you probably will spot them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:44 AM
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If a man is below average just because of his weight or poor style or hygiene self improvement might work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:03 PM
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Women often are expected to stay in with babies more so it can explain less hours and pregnancy means more time off. Asking for raises more is partly because society encourages men to be more confident. But I don’t think it’s just men get handouts just for being men. You’re right there’s complexity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:43 PM
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Women can desire sex too and if they care about someone they might pool resources for a life together. I think women are more likely to desire love/romance/connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:41 PM
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Men making more than women doesn’t invalidate women working too even if they make a little less. She will probably do more chores. A man happening to earn more when you admit it’s more likely because men earn more doesn’t prove she’s a gold digger. They could want to pool their money and care about it but still love each other. I wouldn’t go as far as to say she’s using the man as a utility especially if she’s doing her best to pull her weight. Should a woman say she’s being used as a utility if…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:31 PM
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Look on the sub yourself (it’s public so she might read it and it doesn’t need to be to her face and let’s face it guys like that are more likely to do that if they happen to meet an abuse victim who tells them about it) and you will see them mocking about her and it’s bad enough. It’s a public sub spreading those mocking attitudes it’s bad enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:25 PM
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If you’re happy they got abused you’re not much better than the abusers because you condone it and mock them which makes their suffering worse. Mockery in the face of previous cruelty really makes healing harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 08:52 PM
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Sticking up for OTHER women who are ACTUALLY victims is NOT playing the victim and I don’t claim I am a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 08:49 PM
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You’re mixing me up with some other women and assuming all women are the same. I don’t mock guys struggling with money especially in times like these (still about as much of a choice as being with an abuser because they don’t always have full knowledge of what that person’s like...saying it’s a choice is like saying his money issues are because he’s bad at spending...I think some ppl are unlucky men and women and don’t mock them). I don’t mock guys for immutable traits. People can have issues fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 08:37 PM
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Treating women like “damaged goods” is dehumanising as a concept. Quite frankly I oppose the sub for things like that and OUTRIGHT MOCKING her. There’s a difference between ignoring her profile/not dating her and OUTRIGHT MOCKERY. No woman (abused or not) is entitled to a boyfriend but she can go on apps and try to get dates. It’s guys choice if they accept or reject her. But a decent guy wouldn’t MOCK her. Mocking someone for being abused instead of having any compassion for what they went thro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 08:22 PM
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But boyfriends get more sex and ONS are just once or a few times then you need to meet more women for sex to get as much sex as a husband or boyfriend has regularly. If you’re not getting a good sex life you can communicate or find a more enthusiasm partner or improve yourself because many relationships have got sex lives. Don’t project your issues. Some ONS are regrettable hookups she didn’t enjoy anyway with bad sex. Especially if drunk. Studies show women are more likely to orgasm in relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 05:14 PM
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I think it’s not sudden but preferences can gradually change with age. Age preferences can grow up etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:28 PM
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Or she could love him later. Priorities change. So do preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:22 PM
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I think women marry men they want more than guys realise. Some women have careers so they won’t need a man to be a utility and if you then expect her to be a housewife don’t complain when she wants you to provide even if she does find you desirable. I think more women marry men they’re attracted to than this/red pill implies even though there’s some gold diggers. Check for signs of attraction and affection and avoid those with too many gold digger red flags and you’ll probably be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:13 PM
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I think it happens more than this sub suggests.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:11 PM
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It’s not as bad as poverty and shouldn’t be compared to it. This is also about numbers. 99% people over 40 have lost their virginity. That’s going to include the overwhelming majority or men. People don’t have that kind of luck escaping poverty. The idea that the state should do more about poverty is because poverty is a more prevalent issue as well as consent reasons. Sex isn’t a need but food is. I will acknowledge that sex is a biological desire and it’s natural for most people to want sex. “…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:53 AM
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So if a woman finds him attractive in other ways and likes him as a person (holistic attraction) and cares about him and wants to be with him...she’s “low quality”??? What do you even mean by a “low quality” woman?????????
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:08 PM
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If you’re actually just friends it’s ok. Women will be friends with guys they wouldn’t dare I would know. I am one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:04 PM
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So dating a short guy makes her “low quality”?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:03 PM
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I’m a woman and I want to say it’s not wrong for women to not want someone they’re not physically attracted to. Go to the gym, have style, dress well and be hygienic. There’s men’s facials from beauticians.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:01 PM
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I have lurked on countless pro rape posts on their forums and it’s not just black pill stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:32 PM
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Ok you do you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:21 PM
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I wasn’t talking about 4chan who just want to troll but Incels are specific about hating women and resentful about “Chads”. Not egalitarian! And they love rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:21 PM
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I only think someone is an incel if they wilfully go for those communities and attitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:19 PM
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I think those on the communities aren’t just being ironic or venting. It’s too far gone for just that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:17 PM
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But then it got taken over by wannabe rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:16 PM
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Or they just hide it better irl
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:16 PM
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I guess it’s how we define the words.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:13 PM
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Actually I hate read their actual forum straight from the source first. Those are the hundreds of hours I referred too. I was such a lurker. I went on their own forum and saw for myself. Back when it was “Incels.co”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:13 PM
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I thought incel meant those communities
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:11 PM
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I was referring to those on the community and with those attitudes. If they’re just not getting laid but aren’t part of the bs I don’t have that against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:09 PM
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That’s not what I meant
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:08 PM
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I hate read the forum of MANY Incels for hundreds of hours
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:08 PM
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If it’s an accident it’s one thing but if he likes staying g there and agrees with the hate he’s part of the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 03:09 PM
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I have interacted with one. He would keep promoting rape
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 03:08 PM
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There literally are incel forums for the incel community
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 03:07 PM
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It’s not a few bad apples it’s most of the bunch
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:28 PM
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I have spent hundreds of hours hate reading their communities and in their communities it’s not the fringe minority it’s the majority. You don’t know how depraved they are! Rape is normal to them!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:27 PM
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But ppl say Zelensky is a Giga Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:24 PM
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Even if all women became sapphic to avoid sex with men it would still be less extreme than the incel community.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:23 PM
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If it’s power by subjugation then it’s bad even in theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:22 PM
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Be gay bc men being enemies is fringe second wave feminism and modern liberals know sexuality is not a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:22 PM
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I wasn’t suggesting they would. But I guess we can agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:15 PM
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But are they as cool as him 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:13 PM
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But not ENTIRELY hopeless 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:13 PM
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Not really because the incel community has so much misogynistic posters that most of them support rape. Even the fringe feminists who hate men aren’t even close to as extreme. Fascism is about dictatorship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:12 PM
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Not since the Incels took that term to describe their abhorrent pro rape communities
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:06 PM
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But he had fans as an actor. The political situations upped his profile
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:05 PM
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I think if they put themselves out there and avoid the incel attitude they will get dates eventually if they’re like him
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:05 PM
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Incel means what you said and subscribed to hateful views in hateful communities. It’s the incel community for a reason. They call themselves that to be part of it. Maybe “single/celibate by circumstances” is a better description. I think Incels choose to have their horrible worldview and to be part of it that is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:04 PM
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They liked him before though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:59 PM
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Incel is a mindset (hateful and hopeless) and he’s better looking than most of them so I seriously doubt it. 💯🍀
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:58 PM
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But people like him even when he’s shown as being shorter than other world leaders and I think his female coworkers would have wanted him if he was an engineer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:48 PM
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No way he’s good looking and that helped him get more famous!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:47 PM
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If being short was that hopeless the women would look at him as a less hot actor
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:36 PM
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But if you think about what makes him get those extremes it’s an extreme of more people looking at him and him being hot. So if you look better and put yourself out there you will be replicating it on a smaller scale. He has more admirers than number of women he’s physically capable of having sex with so if you even had 1% of that you would have a better chance with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:35 PM
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Zelensky shows that you don’t need to be that tall to have admirers. Haircuts can make face and shape look more flattering. Less body fat makes a face less fat. Beauticians with men’s facials can make a face look better.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:29 PM
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Maybe talk to a hairdresser or beautician who does men’s facials or women who see you about how to be better looking. And style.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:26 PM
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One part but still there. Good on you for working out and maybe meet more. You might not be Zelensky but essentially his appeal is shape and ppl seeing him so if you work out and meet more then you will have better chances. No certainty but better odds and good luck. 🍀
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:23 PM
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Had is past tense
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:20 PM
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Exactly. People could work out more and get hotter. Trump clearly does negligible exercise. Low bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:20 PM
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Trump was a more powerful President and only gold diggers like Melania would put up with him and even then it’s not many women overall. Trump isn’t truly desirable. People desired Zelensky before he was President.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:15 PM
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But Zelensky was desired before he was a President. He had a reputation with fans as a hot actor and comedian. He’s a hot guy who then got elected not a guy who needed power to get noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:11 PM
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I’m using them as examples but generally people should care about their looks whether or not they exercise or shower. Style helps too. Some ppl could exercise or shower more (see obesity crisis and know there’s unhygienic ppl) and if they already do keep it up and have the common sense to pick advice that applies to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:10 PM
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Zelensky is hot and people were attracted to him as an actor so he wouldn’t have needed politics to get admirers. He’s a guy who has admirers in the first place (as a hot successful actor) then happened to get into power not a guy who was invisible until politics. He’s even more famous now but people wanted him in the first place. Ordinary guys could take better care of themselves and maybe perform in a play for a feasible option. Just looking good matters too. Second of all Putin is to blame fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:09 AM
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He’s hot too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:10 PM
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😆
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 10:31 PM
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My point is your height isn’t stopping people being attracted to you. One of the reasons he got famous in the first place is that he’s a hot actor in the first place . Then he rose to power.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 09:32 PM
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People should work on looks and personality. Exercise and hygiene matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 09:31 PM
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Zelensky is shorter than you and if he wasn’t married women would flock to his bedroom. Maybe it’s something else that is the problem. It could be looks too. Looks and personality matter to relationships unless they’re ace/celibate. You need attraction if you don’t want a celibate or unsatisfactory relationship and you need compatibility as people so it actually works. Otherwise it’s just hooking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 09:30 PM
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Attraction that is sexual but also is about more than looks and wanting to be with someone not just for a one night stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 09:23 PM
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I think that worldview is questionable because Red Pill says women should be SAHMs and men should want them over career women yet not want to provide. I think it’s made up by poor guys who no one wants to be around who only want sex and say that’s what being alpha is about when in the animal world alpha males were dominant enough to get first dibs at resources and pair bond with alpha females. I think as long as a guy is attractive and chooses enthusiastic women who are attracted to him (if she …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:22 PM
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Ngl he doesn’t seem to understand real gaslighting
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:45 PM
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I don’t agree with his ideas but this is PPD where you discuss these issues openly. You’re missing the point if you don’t. PPD is for people who want to talk about these things and I want to say he’s wrong because he thinks it’s about money when it could be compatibility and affection etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:46 PM
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Sometimes they do settle down with hotties. But that’s not always the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:44 PM
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Having send with a guy you don’t want to date doesn’t always have to be about money. Not everyone is going for money with partners. Maybe if they want to be SAHMs but not everyone goes for the cash when dating. This post doesn’t apply to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:44 PM
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I think personality matters but you’re so right looks matter too. Take care of yourself and look as hot as you can y’all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:31 PM
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These women had left the abuser and still got mocked! Most don’t know what they’re getting into.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:01 PM
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THIS. They don’t realise some ppl actually enjoy loving their partners as well as having sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:26 AM
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Even if he gets the sex he wants. God forbid he enjoys her company too. Thanks for teaching me about the mindset of those losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:07 AM
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But you would be giving your time to him
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 12:01 AM
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I think men should improve themselves but I still sympathise with struggling men and don’t think they’re automatically unworthy. Kudus for being smart enough to resist TRP and warn others. I think society had problems including how dating is approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:59 PM
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This is why I pay my share. 🤔 If I didn’t have casual sex and paid for my own dinner on the date I’m 💯not a hooker.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:54 PM
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A woman is a human being not damaged goods
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:48 PM
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THIS. I was happy about Incels being banned until they spread. 🤢
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:47 PM
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Some of it literally just mocks women for getting abused not even standards. The victim shaming is awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:46 PM
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If you break up it’s over unilaterally.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:39 PM
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But a relationship can be more fulfilling if there’s an emotional connection. Just make sure she’s enthusiastic and attracted and it’s all good. If she’s settling you can dump her. If you get to know someone you’ll know if they really want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:31 PM
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I don’t think men outnumber women 3:1 there though but I see your point and there’s sexism there. There’s an appalling “leftover women” campaign in China. Like the government picks an arbitrary age 27 and shames every woman who isn’t married by then. She might want to meet the right guy in her own time and that’s ok. She can wait until she’s 29 or longer or not need a husband and government shouldn’t mistreat her for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:06 PM
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I think some couples get comfortable and behaviour becomes less sexy. There’s also less taking care of yourself and sexy outfits. People slob around.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 06:58 PM
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Confidence helps including confidence in other areas but if you think you’re hot when you’re really not you’re over estimating your attractiveness. I think both genders do it. Men do so because of their ego and women for reasons you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 06:50 PM
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If everyone had a DNA profile you could automatch. And some suspects do have samples taken so (feel free to correct me if I am wrong and you have good sources) I don’t think there’s an absolute right to not have DNA samples taken
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 02:42 PM
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That’s why there should be DNA testing from birth so there’s a data base of all DNA. They could test Mum’s and babies DNA and use the database to find the father. If there was a DNA database everyone could know who their children’s biological parents are and paternity fraud could be over. It would also make society safer by catching criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 02:19 PM
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Mindset of pathetic guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:55 AM
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If a woman is single by choice it’s her business and men need to get over it. Men who keep wanting women to lower their standards rather than take better care of themselves are losers. Men who are hygienic, well groomed, stylish and in good shape are above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:53 AM
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No I am WAAAY more validated by other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:37 AM
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To be fair if someone has a not so good memory that’s different.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 01:47 AM
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I wouldn’t talk about a human being that way even though I don’t think I need a man. But I still see men as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 12:52 AM
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Male therapists and psychologists exist. I was diagnosed by a male psychologist and the abused woman I know was supported by a male therapist. If going to a male therapist helps him deal with images that he admits burn his mind he should. Plus intensive therapy has been shown to be the most effective way of rehabilitation for abusers. And evidence to support it helping innocent men is that men seek help less and men kill themselves more. Lack of support for men is suggested to be the reason for …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 12:51 AM
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Some men have benefited from getting help
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:46 PM
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Actually if a woman is abused I would recommend she get therapy to deal with the emotional pain it causes. There’s an abused woman I know and I have encouraged her to get therapy countless times and she finally has. I wouldn’t stop until she did after knowing she had issues and especially after she told me her ex abused her. I wasn’t abused by an ex but I went to therapy. I definitely support women going to therapy. 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:40 PM
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I don’t mean to be rude but maybe he can just reject her and move on. But anyone saying the image burns in their mind in their own word must know he has a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:33 PM
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I wasn’t talking about who he wants to be with (but if he has double standards or unrealistic red pill views that’s an issue and not just something an average man with a normal worldview always has) but if he’s that obsessed with these vivid images burned into his head maybe it is an issue. A normal man can keep her or reject her but this obsession is something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:28 PM
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If you can’t afford it now hopefully you can save but at least at some point it’s worth it if you have issues
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:25 PM
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Actually my parents paid for it. Anyway I don’t think ppl shouldn’t feel guilty about getting help when the government wastes so much money on bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:25 PM
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I have been to therapy and while not perfect it’s helped me. I feel more clarity in my life and have improved from what I was and better understood some of my issues. As someone who has been it’s not a waste.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:15 PM
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I don’t think men should be condemned for having insecurities but they should go to therapy if this is what their imagination keeps coming up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 09:15 PM
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Because the male majority would have more power in voting and vote for more pro male policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 09:00 PM
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Not sure I believe it’s the minority
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 08:52 PM
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Some do
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:37 PM
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I mean loads of women. Hyperbole.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:36 PM
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Guys can marry women with a past and many virgin women don’t want guys who slept with every woman
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:13 PM
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Maybe you just need to be honest about what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 12:22 PM
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You could do things for each other
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 12:15 PM
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Maybe you should ask them to do things for you
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:58 AM
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Voting would make women have less privilege
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 03:18 AM
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I meant guys who don’t take care of themselves typo
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 02:24 AM
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I heard a guy complained about getting hit on at work by a woman he doesn’t like showing up repeatedly during his shifts so maybe not in a professional context (or at least not as a customer or worst of all a boss because that’s the most unacceptable conflict of interest). Unless it’s obviously inappropriate like a what I said you only need to worry you might get slut shamed and don’t know him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:05 AM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 12:35 AM
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But what if she does things for you to save your time?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 12:35 AM
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That’s why he says choose those who aren’t leeching off you for rides or money. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:58 PM
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Or insecurities
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:52 PM
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I see your point but ppl do things they’re not proud of. Maybe she regrets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:51 PM
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Maybe they care a bit but being this obsessed with details etc and imagining so much so vividly so often is a whole new level
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:48 PM
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You’ve really summed up red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:47 PM
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I don’t expect them to care as much or be as vocal as some guys but June Lepine is vocal about not wanting high n count men and some other women complain about players they reject. I think someone who’s a virgin with those values (they can be vocal at purity balls about wanting respectful men with compatible values and Classically Abby is vocal and she waited for marriage) might (quietly or not) prefer a guy who hasn’t gone for everyone and makes things special.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:19 PM
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I think lots of guys don’t care as much as the pills imply. But I admit a lot do care especially outside the West. Obviously if it’s an Islamic country or India guys are more likely to care and I wouldn’t deny it. I don’t deny many care but red pill exaggerates how much and since it’s western centric it implies western men care more than they actually do. I think many care but red pill exaggerates the extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:16 PM
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You have a point
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:16 PM
1

Standing up for yourself when right or honestly mistaken means good intentions
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:15 PM
1

A bully won’t be a good husband or father
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 07:21 PM
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It’s not selfish if he’s providing for his family because it’s for them not himself
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 07:20 PM
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Women who say they want assertiveness (and I heard therapists agree with my definition) want someone who stands up for himself without becoming the bully. Even then forceful could mean self defence or confident in standing up for yourself. That’s not being an A hole. I met lots of rich kids who were nicer than you would expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 07:19 PM
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Actually you’re confusing assertive with aggressive. Aggressive is what you said assertive is standing up to bullies not being a bully (aggressive). Not every rich person is horrible but many are. Rejecting almost every catcaller means she probably doesn’t want them but I see your point about most not meaning she doesn’t want something. I don’t think women want bad guys as much as some guys think.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:42 PM
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Catcalling hardly ever gets anywhere whatever you say about other bad guys
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:35 PM
1

I mean if she rejects all the car callers she sees or almost all
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:34 PM
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But if someone complains about cat callers and rejects and avoids them it’s not what they want. Maybe the woman is frustrated about dealing with this nuisance and you are encouraging it even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:30 PM
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As long as you have equal standards it’s not sexist
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 03:39 PM
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So she likes you and finds you attractive but admits she made mistakes? Ok. As long as you don’t have sexist double standards it’s ok for you to think like this. I don’t have a high N count
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 02:52 PM
1

I help homeless people and feed them including adults
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 01:45 PM
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I meant maybe she only stayed when she found a guy she liked enough and was still attracted to him. I wouldn’t want to be with someone who didn’t care about me as a person but I think part of caring about a person is acknowledging complexity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 01:34 PM
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Or maybe she just didn’t like them as ppl and still wanted to enjoy sex. Guys would know about that. Maybe she stayed with a guy she liked as a person. Not saying you have to be with her (your choice) but I like to play Devil’s advocate when a. Situation isn’t as simple as red pill believes. I’m not high N count BTW but I know ex friends who were. She really liked sons of the guys. But the one I’m thinking of had issues. Not all were like her though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:22 PM
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Paying a bit in taxes isn’t the same as investing more money and your time. You should feel compassion for poor children. If a poor child was a beggar I would want to feed it. But I am concerned about parents intentionally having kids (contraception and sex Ed would stop most unplanned pregnancies but republicans want to make it worse) and keeping them they can’t afford and having multiple (not just one mistake) often deliberately and welfare having to keep paying for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:18 PM
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Or they didn’t like the original guys enough to stay and maybe thought they were brainless hotties and stayed with the guy she liked better
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:11 PM
2

I thought 3 was considered low N count
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:08 PM
1

Gonna agree. I don’t want a guy who slept with tonnes of women and I think virgin women or low N count women would mind more. “Man whores” aren’t as popular with virgins as they want to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:06 PM
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Or he could be another guy she find attractive and likes enough to stay with
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:03 PM
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Sometimes they see guys they like forming relationships with promiscuous women. I did when I was younger. I don’t support lying about N count for anyone. I think guys shouldn’t be hypocritical about wanting virgins when they slept around.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 11:59 AM
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I don’t defend liars but tonnes of guys go for women who sleep around (including into relationships and marriages). I don’t think guys value virginity as much as red pill imply.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 11:50 AM
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These posts probably imply she’s been doing a job too. If she’s a SAHM she should do most of the chores but he should be involved in parenting and it shouldn’t get to the red pill women point that it’s seen as shocking to occasionally let him cook. I’m a feminist who thinks men should contribute but even I think if she’s a SAHM she should do most of it. If she has a job and does chores after so should he.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 11:37 AM
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If he’s a grown man then it’s his business and my Mum’s business as long as he doesn’t bother me. Realistically it’s unlikely he’s going to meet her. Mum loved Dad even when he had no car and she’s a lawyer.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 11:34 AM
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You literally described my Mum
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 03:03 AM
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It’s not about romanticising it to not want it to be so stressy
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:51 PM
1

Idk but Ashley Madison has bots to lure paying men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 11:24 AM
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But there were times when wives supported strikes eg miner strike U.K. 1985 The women were so supportive they set up their own women’s picket lines to support their husbands! And being anti prostitution could be because prostitution is exploitive of poor women and doesn’t give them opportunities besides selling their bodies. I think it should be allowed but society should do more to help women be less desperate in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:58 PM
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If she finds out you’re lying it’s gonna be embarrassing and you might feel like your first time with sex is a facade to hide your lack of experience and it could cause performance anxiety. Who wants their first time to be like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:46 PM
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Lying is unethical and some people will date virgins. I sympathise with your more difficult situation but it doesn’t entitle you to lie to get sex. You could just not talk about it if they don’t ask. It’s not ok to lie for sex. She should make informed decisions about her body including who has sex with it. I also condemn women lying about being virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:42 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:31 PM
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Phew! Sadly some people really do think that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:26 PM
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You’re being sarcastic right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:23 PM
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I spend hundreds of hours reading their forum
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:15 PM
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Or anyone who thinks promoting rape is abhorrent aka any guy with decency
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:06 PM
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I meant Incels on the forums or with these attitudes not ordinary celibate guys. MOST guys on the forum support abhorrent things. It’s not a few bad apples it’s an already ruined Bunch.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:05 PM
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Women’s views of Incels first weren’t as abhorrent as Incels views of who they call “foids”. They act like it’s an approximation of a human female because they love dehumanising women and girls so much they brag about it. They promote rape and want government programs to get females raped. One wrote about his plans to have sex with dead bodies and there’s rampant pedo stuff. Need I go on? It’s in their posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:41 PM
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Exactly the scam site runs the bots to lure male customers.l
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:36 PM
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But it’s the betrayed partners fault for not being satisfying. 🙄 Sarcasm intended. In a voluntary relationship if you choose to stay it’s your fault if you cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:19 PM
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What if they were so drunk the sex wasn’t consensual and they didn’t know who the rapist was or would show up (could have intended it to just be their friends then a rapist intruder showed up). Having said that I think it has to be a severe situation to excuse it and for it to be rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:17 PM
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Women are individuals making their own choices and sometimes it’s for herself. Sometimes it’s other women. It can be for men but not nearly as much as men think. You would be surprised how many women wear short shorts and crop tops when they’re with other women and not going for male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:11 PM
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In those times many women were in arranged marriages so they might have married men who weren’t their preferences. I think women just have more freedom to choose guys they want now they don’t need a male provider and their parents won’t make them marry a short guy. Attraction is partly innate so if she’s naturally not attracted to guys who take care of themselves but can’t help desiring hotties; a guy has better chances if he takes better care if himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:09 PM
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Why be an incel advocate when they have abhorrent views about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:05 PM
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And many were bots but it proves my point. They had to have more scam women bots because I was right about it mostly being men. They had to have fake women bots to string men along to keep male members (men pay and women don’t and that’s to lure more paying men for their profits). They use their fake female bots to lure men into staying and paying because (like I said) it’s mostly men on that cheating site.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:04 PM
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Not sure if I agree it’s all about pics for one date but you’re right about the rest and I would agree that looks matter
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 04:35 PM
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I think it does matter but how you treat her matters too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 03:04 PM
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Ok but maybe it’s not quite as bad as the elite 20% idea. Plus many guys could take better care of themselves to become more attractive. The pool would widen if more guys took better care of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 02:56 PM
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But if some of those guys have relationships and use the app to cheat then more than 80% are desired by women and Ashley Madison implies more men use sites to cheat than women using sites to cheat and there’s many cheaters.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 02:49 PM
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😊
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:32 PM
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Good you’re against him
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:26 PM
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I mean those who promote negging and sexism and manipulative behaviour eg Roosh V
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:22 PM
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I think many teen boys learned through the media and red pill to use money to sleep around and there’s lots of unloving horny teenage boys (sadly some never grow out if it). I don’t think it’s just heartbreak but it can be a factor. I think Trump basically puts up with gold diggers if they’re hot enough and so do other guys like him. Melania shamelessly responded “would he have married me if I wasn’t beautiful” when asked if she would have married him if he wasn’t rich. Not saying she actually l…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:43 AM
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Some people want jobs for fulfilment though. Including women. Lots of men focus on careers so they can go to PUA camps and clubs and look rich and seduce many women without providing and live by himself. Many men want things for themselves and hookers. Not all men want to provide. Many men are selfish about motivations (see above) and could be providing to get a gold digger. Not selfless. Most career women want children. 95% educated women do. Considering so many men do harm women maybe women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:21 AM
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Either way it would still be unhealthy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 10:24 PM
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She didn’t even say her whole family just her husband and didn’t say her husband existed to please her. Seems one sided and unhealthy. It’s not ok to have no sense of self even though it’s good to help others.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 09:39 PM
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It’s an insecurity to need to chase and someone to be too distant to be attracted. It’s an issue. Healthy attachment means being able to appreciate what you have not been not want what you feel like you don’t have or are scared to loose. Only when someone heals from this can things get better and stable because things weren’t really fine before. Calling stability beta is only true for guys who think it’s alpha to never settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:50 PM
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What if they’re child free? And there’s DNA tests. Men cheating is equally bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:42 PM
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I was on the sub of red pill women and tried to encourage some of them to see reason and got banned for being too feminist. To be fair I am a feminist and they don’t allow it. But bad they removed my comment saying one should get therapy after she literally said she existed to please her husband! I pointed out it’s not healthy to act like your whole existence is to please someone else. Some of them are challenging the ethos of the community and write about choice feminism or think some guys shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:39 PM
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I am a feminist who is happy to ppl at my share.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:35 PM
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Exactly. It’s like you want to notice a problem but sometimes there’s different solutions. I still think there’s a data difference though. 99% get laid by 40 and sadly not so many can escape poverty by 40. So glad you’re not like the Incels. But I think there should be a government solution to just poverty because it’s even harder to escape on its own. It’s not like 99% escape poverty with no help.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:56 PM
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Even free plastic surgery is better than PUAs who praise mistreating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:51 PM
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Not really because there’s still more men in power and feminism isn’t about saying all men have no struggles but promoting equality and women’s rights and acknowledging men do have more power (think higher company positions). This doesn’t mean thinking all guys easily get dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:50 PM
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I actually think he has a point about disabled ppl (not just guys who won’t take care of himself) but you’re right women are people with rights not money to redistribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:46 PM
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I think ugly men who don’t take care of themselves aren’t in the same group as poor people but if they’re just disabled your point is valid. Having said that it’s not the same because poverty denies real needs like food but sex isn’t a need to survive. I would be more concerned about someone going without food than going without sex for weeks put it that way. People should eat multiple times a day and how good nutrition but if people aren’t having sex daily I don’t care. I don’t want to gaslight…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:45 PM
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Many ugly men could take better care of themselves. Quite frankly I think “there’s someone for everyone” is an empty platitude. Having said that I (a feminist) don’t think it’s wrong for you to want to date. Just that you’re not entitled and need to accept rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:33 PM
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Being rejected shouldn’t make them treat women worse. I would even say it’s ok for him to say no to buying women tea if he’s not owing her money and letting friends free load etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 11:16 AM
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Or maybe they were raised right but they strayed from it in their adulthood. Some were probably badly raised but with some I think being horny and tempted to believe there’s a truth in a red pill that will solve everything and make you more special because you know it appeals to people and the forums make their delusions stronger. Upbringing isn’t the only influence and red pill is an incredibly toxic worldview. Some ex red pillers say they felt like it was like a cult. It’s like a virtual cult …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 11:08 AM
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I think some women have issues and aren’t ready for a relationship (eg depression). Some want to improve themselves or their situation before trying to date. Some women want to feel like they have it together to feel like dating. And so many men treat women like their emotional baggage makes them less valuable so worrying about being devalued matters. Like men women don’t like feeling settled for either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 10:57 AM
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If you’re just pro self improvement and treat women kindly and honestly you’re not red pill you’re a good mature man. What the red pillers might become if they treated women better and actually grew up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:55 AM
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Well PUA is toxic
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:44 PM
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Actually I am a woman who wants men to get constructive advice just not RedPill toxicity and negging (I wouldn’t want a guy begging me and I don’t think I ever liked a guy who did). I would advise them to meet with hobbies and via socialising and groups etc as well as looking hot (sexual attraction matters to both genders). Getting to know ppl and flirting without being a phony is good too. If average Joe becomes hot, genuinely kind and a good person as well as a good flirt they (many of them co…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:04 PM
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Well little good support
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 08:15 PM
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I think it’s bad husbands getting a victim mentality in divorces
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 08:42 AM
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I also think you’re getting the wrong idea about feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:46 PM
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First of all some women are more supportive than you say and second of all men helping each other is good. I don’t think red pill is good because it treats other men as rivals in the way of women to manipulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:45 PM
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I don’t think I can change everything myself but if I make some things better that’s progress. If more people believed that at least some things would get better. To anyone reading this. Men and women both need supportive advice and to help each other and their own genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:39 PM
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I am literally encouraging people to support more constructive advice though! I want things to be improved for men and women. If you care about what you say then you should support that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:31 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:28 PM
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Good flirting, looking prettier and weeding out bad guys
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:58 PM
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“Hapless hubby” isn’t thoughtful enough to notice his wife is unhappy (often for a reason) but he’s such a nice guy and good husband. 🙄 The whole point of advice to have better relationships is to teach men to do better than what they’re doing because so many men aren’t treating their partners right. Can’t believe I have to explain this. Red pill deserves shaming because it encourages manipulative cruelty. Being so exploitive and using someone is cruel. And so is being so deceitful. Plus did you…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:45 PM
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I see your point but for interpersonal stuff, outside of therapy the friends and family give empty platitudes. There’s sometimes good advice but difficult to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:41 PM
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Or maybe some have autism or need to take better care of themselves or put themselves out there or work on social awkwardness or self consciousness/confidence. Some women were virgins later in life and insecure then lost weight etc and they attracted partners. There’s also flirting skills etc like it’s not she will have no options but with help she would have more. Maybe need is too strong a word but I think some women could use some help attracting some more men. And don’t deserve to be told th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:25 PM
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I think there’s lots of guys with bad intentions but severe lack of advice even for guys with good intentions. I think it’s linked because then it helps red pill brainwash men into being horrible. We need good advice for good men! And women. Women need advice on attracting guys and flirting. As well as weeding out bad guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:00 PM
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I think some women do need help attracting men and there’s not enough advice about that. But your second point is so right I wished I realised it when I was younger. There’s women who are much more desirable than me who have no problem attracting guys but she needs a metaphorical sieve because her men are trash!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:58 PM
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Good idea to increase your social circle but men and women sometimes want advice about flirting. When I was younger... 80% of my friendships with guys were completely platonic both ways but for most of the 20% it was me wanting something more. I was “friend zoned” but not a jerk to the guys about it and valued friendships. But I thought I was usually more of a friend girl than a girlfriend. I don’t believe friendship is failure and I’m that 80% that’s what I wanted. And some of the 20% of he had…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:55 PM
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Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:48 PM
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Lots of guys are like that but I still think some genuinely kind guys lack decent advice. And as a woman I think women lack good advice too. Most people of both genders get empty platitudes. I have asked for advice yet nothing good except looking seductively at people but if poorly explained or if people go about it the wrong way it can just be cringe staring and not hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:38 PM
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I think there’s very little support for women either. I think it’s “just be yourself” platitudes all round without teaching somehow to express themselves in a romantic way. Or worse is romantic comedies. I think they’re almost as bad as red pill. They create unrealistic toxic ideas. Cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:27 PM
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Red pill deserves shaming but innocently learning about treating women kindly in relationships to make a happier healthy relationship should be encouraged. I agree “pills” are rampant due to lack of constructive advice for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:15 PM
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Too bad I don’t want kids lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:00 PM
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I don’t think it’s as bad as cheating but it’s a huge red flag if he lies about it and I still think it’s disrespectful unless she says it’s ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:53 PM
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I think OP specifically said handsome man not average man though. 🤔 I am not trans or anything but am a 6ft woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:49 PM
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What about tall women turning into men? 6ft women etc. Lots of women want good careers anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:39 PM
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You can literally get genetic tests so you actually can be sure if your kids are yours and if you can’t be bothered that’s your problem. Women giving C section births unconscious could have their babies swapped and not know if it’s theirs. Men impregnating women could be husbands who get divorced and re marry so the Chad, alpha, beta etc ideas are questionable. I think better sex education would help Americans know how to be careful better. I don’t like people making poor choices but I also don’…
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:38 PM
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Just think of the backlash whenever someone says people shouldn’t have kids they can’t afford. If what you say is true, Japan really believes you should only have kids if you can afford to provide for them. None of this “we’ll make it work” when they often don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:54 AM
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In Japan many of these men choose to be just friends with without whining about being friend zoned. Some of these guys (I read in another article) aren’t even pursuing women. It’s like MGTOW but not all are as sexist and many do want to focus on careers and friends (including women who are just friends without chasing sex). But you’re right a lot of Japanese guys do want sex. My point is it got to a point where it wasn’t just men getting rejected it’s (in some cases) men not chasing anymore. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:52 AM
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You left the bit about them getting more money as validation by emphasising it. Not making that up. The real elitist is you!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 12:03 PM
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It’s actually what you implied though
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 11:01 AM
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So if you think earning more makes someone more valuable maybe you’re the real elitist. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 12:48 PM
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I don’t look down on Uber drivers! Contrary to your wrong assumptions. I also oppose bad economists, exploitive CEOs and bad bankers. And bad politicians. Being high class or part of the elite doesn’t make me support someone no matter how classist or elitist you think I am. Most classist elitists look down on anyone not getting wonderful grades in their education including not getting into a “prestigious” university and look down on cashiers and look down on anyone not affluent and powerful. For…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 12:40 PM
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I praised lawyers more to counter what you said. Like an opposite reaction. But believe me I know they’re not Gods. The ones I know often neglect their personal lives in a bad way and God is supposed to be perfect so I don’t think it’s God like. I don’t believe in religion anyway. They’re just people who can use their job to do good like many blue collar workers (eg ones I mentioned but just as an example there can be others but I don’t praise strippers for stripping). I don’t hate on Uber drive…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 12:11 PM
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Strippers are paid to be ogled at and not blue collar workers (maybe sex workers in the visual sense even if they don’t do actual sex or lap dance sense if it makes men orgasm in their pants). I respect cashiers (we need them to buy food), plumbers (things could get gross without them), electricians (saves us from power outages), brick layers, decorators (some rooms look like slums before renovations), factory workers (if we want stuff people have to make it) etc because they’re real blue collar…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 11:51 AM
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I would usually say he was willing to accept it before so he can keep accepting it (some people couldn’t accept it at all even from a hot loving virgin) anyway and people can change so she can change for her “born again virginity” while she’s not a literal virgin it’s a religious concept of starting afresh and Jesus restoring your heart a soul etc. But she said she NEEDED sex. Sex isn’t a need it’s a desire and the way she talks about her desires like that could be a red flag. But the way she wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 02:07 AM
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Maybe we can just agree to disagree bye
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 01:35 AM
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Ok but 5 isn’t so bad over the years
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 11:35 PM
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I don’t think 5 guys spread out over many years in relationships is promiscuous it’s just life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 06:46 PM
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At least you admit it’s not entirely the same
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 02:31 PM
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So you admit it’s not merit. Let’s face it some nepotism goes so far it’s just so their kids get prestigious jobs and don’t even care if they’re not trustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 02:04 PM
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Just no! There’s no way a well educated nurse saving human lives contributes more than someone incompetent who got ahead with nepotism. Life isn’t fair so stop acting like it is with delusional statements that everyone gets paid for what they contribute. 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 01:34 PM
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I opposed ppl looking down on blue collar workers. You really don’t get it if you think I am classist or elitist. I don’t think everyone who’s not academically perfect or in university is low value or stupid or look down on anyone for being poor or think they’re stupid. Literally the opposite of classist and elitist. And I support raising the minimum wage. I am happy for higher earning blue collar workers and cooked much for the decorator. I literally said this “Chad” is a poser and wrong and I …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 01:27 PM
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I admitted some lawyers were bad. Please at least appreciate good lawyers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 01:22 PM
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I meant strip clubs classes was a typo
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 01:21 PM
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I thought I read 70% of ppl have cheated at some point. But that figure probably included emotional cheating etc. Still think sex with others would be high.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 12:24 PM
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“Caused by” is more subjective if you wander why she’s not in the mood. How is he treating her? Did he let himself go? Is he charming?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 11:54 AM
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THIS
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 11:53 AM
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But I hope you mean it’s naive to assume any woman not rich isn’t intelligent. I would agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 11:45 AM
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Lawyers literally defend people’s rights because people have the right to a lawyer. That might be where some weak cases are taken because providing suspects with a lawyer is an obligation even if they look very guilty. There’s literally human rights lawyers. There’s also prosecutors to get justice for victims. Mum worked in the CPS and cared about if evidence was good and dropped a case when she found out a witness was lying to her because she didn’t want to do a case based on that. Most prosecu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 11:44 AM
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That’s stooping to their level or worse and he could make a mistake and trick a woman who cares about him. Manipulating someone for sex is a very low move. He should focus on women who actually want him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 09:33 AM
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This isn’t even PPD it’s a video of an obnoxious poser self proclaimed Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 09:26 AM
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Avoiding gold diggers is good but you shouldn’t assume any woman who’s not rich isn’t intelligent. Saying being rich makes you deserve a high earning woman and your focus on attributes ignores privilege and acts like being wealthy makes you worth more as a human being when it doesn’t. Strippers can make more than lawyers but they don’t contribute more to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 09:17 AM
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I know 2 blue collar guys (one who literally admits he has dreams about his job with triple glazed windows and his son who fixes roofs) and they’re BOTH married. The guy who dreams about triple glazed windows married my beautiful aunt and she’s his third wife. The son is a hot guy who is married with kids. I am not a snob so I like how you wrote quotes around “high status” and I don’t look down on them. I couldn’t do their jobs and my home is better because of them and they have cars and can dri…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 09:13 AM
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I mean a higher N count of more men. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 03:11 AM
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I thought promiscuity was more men and one night stands too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:39 PM
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Sometimes they meet alright men but one moves because of careers or there’s an amicable split because of incompatibility etc. Breakups happen and over the years it’s understandable for it to exceed 5. It doesn’t her (or necessarily the guys for that matter) unworthy. Life happens and sometimes people grow apart and it’s responsible to leave before it turns to marriage and divorce. 5 guys in mid to late 20s isn’t much and it’s still early enough to find a husband and have his babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:45 AM
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I don’t think it makes a woman unworthy. Maybe she had a few ex boyfriends over the years. What about if she’s pretty and kind and loving and interesting and helpful?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:00 AM
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Painful double standards
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 04:27 AM
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You are condemning self improvement?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 04:26 AM
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I think for a normal 25 year old it’s gonna be over 4 even if it’s not a dozen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 04:04 AM
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I agree with everything you said except calling him creepy. Of course I would be careful with strangers and reject him but idk if her creepy. But is guided by my looks so that’s not it for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:27 AM
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There’s no needs except survival. Enough hope and fulfilment to not kill yourself is the needs. What you’re talking about is emotional comforts. I would say: focus on appreciating what you have and improve your life with what you don’t. Hope and fulfilment and chocolate (magnesium is like the happy chemical) help. So does cuddling pillows. And friends. Friendship is incredibly important. Family and friends hug me. Fictional characters for fantasies (emotional too) help. Energy is a physics conce…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:08 AM
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I never said I was an amazing catch! I have a whole list of new year resolutions and previously improved myself somewhat (but not perfect) with therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:02 AM
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A woman in her late or mid 20s with an N count under 4 is unrealistic just saying. Edit: I meant unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:56 AM
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Guys might too if they thought it was the only way to get sex
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 10:55 PM
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As if guys wouldn’t flock to hot enough women for sex. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 09:48 PM
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Ok fine about the first 2 points but only because I hate perfection and romantic comedies. But some guys are going too far with the “women should lower their standards narrative” and mocking more realistic standards. Someone said I wasn’t pretty or likeable so should put up with guys being willing to cheat on me! JUST NO. And deceitful guys. I don’t mind if a guy is a bit nervous in a cutely shy way. I think getting to know people before dates would help with a lot of that so ppl wouldn’t need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 09:37 PM
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I don’t like this term but if you type in chav you got it. More bothered about the fat guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 09:24 PM
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Unless my preferences GENUINELY change absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 05:46 PM
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Not exactly a parade but maybe a pub? Look in almost any pub in my town and that’s what you’re gonna see even if you have no standards for style.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 05:44 PM
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First of all I don’t want marriage or kids so don’t worry about that 🤣and second of all I already have and always have had not very high looks standards but higher standards for wanting to be around them (don’t want even one date with a guy who’s presence is awful). I think I will only go for guys I am attracted to though and I hope other women do too even if their standards for attraction are higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 05:42 PM
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But what realistic means is subjective. Some guys think just because she’s a single Mum (who could have been cheated on and beautiful) she should lower her standards to men she doesn’t really want. Anything less than what she wants means she’s settling for a guy she doesn’t want to be with. There might be some exceptions but I support almost all standards because it will describe what it takes for her to want him and if she’s dating someone she doesn’t want it’s not good even if you think it’s m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 05:37 PM
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The bottom article is about a guy who called her the B word and said she would never have been more than a hookup to him after sweet talking her. So he’s insincere and throws a hidden fit when she’s not buying his bs. Men can have standards but being so cruel and manipulative to her (and she looks quite good and isn’t fat) is rightly awful! If they don’t want to be with her they should just move on instead of mistreating her. She was cheated on by her husband so it’s not like she was just sleepi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:08 PM
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I don’t have very high standards for looks but so many people mock women for having standards and are obsessed with the idea of asking women to settle for less. The same guys whine about “beta buxxing” and being settled for. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:13 PM
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Thanks for supporting women’s standards including mine. I wish others were as supportive as you. 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:10 PM
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It was in previous posts though. Thankfully it was condemned because most virgin women don’t want manwhores.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:38 PM
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I agree. I just wish other men would too and stop whining about women having standards. I won’t let it deter me and will not go on a single date with any man I don’t like as a person, know and am attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:37 PM
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If a guy sleeps around like Roosh V and wants a woman to have low standards and be a virgin it’s more bs than men not whining about N counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:33 PM
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Even if you don’t agree with everything she says expecting a woman to be a hot virgin and lower her standards while still not settling is illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:29 PM
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Or just a delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:28 PM
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Or Zelensky because he’s hot and short. And men could take better care of themselves and get into better shape. If more men took better care of themselves (good shape, hygiene and style which a lot of men fail at) then more would be desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:27 PM
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Saying women should improve themselves is better than saying they should lower their standards and quite frankly the post is right if someone has to lower their standards they’re settling. I want to loose weight. No kids is important if she doesn’t want to deal with that. The men would also be settling if they lowered their standards so it goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:25 PM
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But oestrogen increases sex drive in women so although women are different women still desire sex (the way some teens and young women act I think they want sex as much as men even if middle aged Mums with menopause or other hormone is don’t...even then 34% women in a magazine survey for Middle Aged women and might have been Good Housekeeping wanted MORE sex from their husbands...with all the sex advice it has you think even they can be horny) so your post isn’t as valid as you think. I think a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 10:22 PM
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I was trying to reply to someone I think maybe I accidentally clicked the wrong thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 06:23 PM
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Most teen girls would rather date a guy of a similar are than in his 30s. Exceptions exist but not as much as them hooking up with each other. Their parents provide resources so they won’t need a male provider unless they plan to become a SAHM or gold digger. Often an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 02:04 PM
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A fat cop (would be less than a 5/10) posted a naked selfie and other women were commenting like he was a hottie.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:35 AM
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I don’t think it’s toxic. Some ppl are more fatherly than others. And raising someone else’s kid is a bigger challenge. Kudus for supporting step fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:16 AM
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What about 2 kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:14 AM
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Saying women should lower their standards and settle to give men opportunities to date because it’s so bad for men then saying they’re unhappy about women settling because it makes them feel like beta males is ironic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:07 AM
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Where’s some non sexist MGTOW content?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 02:03 PM
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It does. I saw a lot of their content and it’s like a fountain of sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 12:27 PM
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The thing is that not all this advice is just for basement neckbeards. Some guys are fat and have sedentary jobs but they still have a job and maybe their own place. Grooming, having a shower, washing face, brushing hair, exercise and brushing teeth etc is part of taking care of yourself and sometimes sedentary job guys let themselves go a bit (especially about weight). I think maybe some ppl got confused with Incels who think showering a few times a week is a self improvement I kid you not they…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 11:32 AM
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You’re the one who said crack addicts. To look broader I mean not all relationships that don’t work out are with men with obvious red flags. Men and women break up it’s life. Quite frankly I think you’re being unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:16 AM
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I never said she should go for a crack addict but I think most relationships that don’t work don’t involve crack addicts because there’s so many breakups if they all involved crack addicts crime statistics would be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:55 AM
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Lots of ppl (men and women) don’t get their first time relationships right. It doesn’t mean they have terrible judgement it means they’re human. I never said men and women were exactly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:39 AM
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Men and women can both want sex and are both human beings. Despite their differences it actually is a double standard to shame women for sex but not men. Women being shamed for it and men having loads of casual sex is a conflicting ideal when you ask yourself who he’s supposed to have sex with actually it’s not good logic. When you consider first time relationships don’t always work out etc and how most grown women aren’t virgins it’s not as basic as you think. Men shouldn’t ask for that. If you…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:56 AM
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I don’t think men should need generational wealth but I do think a man shouldn’t have a child if he won’t try to provide them with a good life
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 11:49 PM
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Some people can stop it and it’s unfair for everyone to treat them as low value for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 11:48 PM
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I don’t think people’s value is about their generational wealth or background. I prefer to judge what a man makes of himself. I don’t think people are low value for not wanting children. They could just be incompatible with those who want children and find high value relationships with other child free people and have good qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 09:07 PM
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Maybe you just a have a low sex drive or you’re asexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 08:35 PM
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Going without sex and relationships voluntarily is very MGTOW and thankfully no sexism. 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:32 PM
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Men Going Their Own Way. Look it up and please don’t take the sexist bs seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:11 PM
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First of all that is judging her second of all some ppl really think there is. Virgin shaming of women is a thing outside red pill and she might be perceived as if there’s something wrong with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:10 PM
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Not saying some women aren’t confident anyway (one of my ex female friends bragged about sex with 8 guys in 1 week) but I think the double standard still exists. I also think virgins or low N count women can wear outfits that aren’t your standard of modesty because modesty is subjective or if it’s hot weather or because they think getting a tan is cool or because they like the style or they want to imitate friends or icons who dress like that or...lots of reasons that aren’t slutty. Sometimes it…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:07 PM
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Maybe not equally stigmatising (being a virgin) but it’s still worse for women than people know even if men do get stigmatised for being virgins more. It’s wrong for any virgins to be stigmatised for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:02 PM
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But they might still have sexual relationships in those spaces so wouldn’t be MGTOW even de facto. But supporting people getting hobbies could definitely be good for society. I think WGTOW is actually good because it’s MGTOW for women and not to hate men and most of their content doesn’t hate men (from what I heard) and a woman made a WGTOW video that’s not hateful and just saying women shouldn’t believe ppl telling them they’re unworthy without a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:00 PM
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It’s worse for her if guys look down on her for her experiences and although you might say it’s worse for virgin men virgin women still have problems outside red pill ideation. Society often treats virgin women as defective especially if older. Obviously mistreats virgin men too. Virgins are mistreated by society.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 01:16 PM
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Taking care of yourself helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:07 PM
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So you’re like a not sexist version of MGTOW? I actually think MGTOW would be cool if they didn’t hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:07 PM
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Feel free to get to know her and subtly show what you have to offer but stay true to yourself and know genuine self improvement is always better than putting on a show because you’re right being a phony performer isn’t going to be enticing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:05 PM
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Some women are rejected for being virgins. Some women are rejected for not being sexual enough. Some women have to deal with a Madonna Whore complex. Being wanted for being less experienced means if a woman has had bad experiences and wants to start over it’s actually worse for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:04 PM
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I don’t think virgin women want high N count men. I think lots of the judging women aren’t virgins (most women aren’t). Or maybe wanting medium N count men but not a virgin wanting a high N count man almost everyone (especially women) on the post asking about that hypothetical situation said it was unlikely at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 11:56 AM
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It’s harder to sympathise when there’s double standard slut shsming. They probably think if men expect them to go without sex to be this idealised virgin they’re not going to sympathise with them complaining about being a virgin. And stigma against women having sex can cause reluctance from women. A woman is more likely to say no if she’s shamed for not saying no. Or worried about being pumped and dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 09:17 AM
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You can love your families and friend non romantically and have healthy family relationships and friendships. People having casual sex aren’t focusing on romantic love. Some people do care but you can’t expect someone to date you out of charity. Focus on being in good shape and meeting people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 09:08 AM
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I heard most of that is in the under 25 range.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 08:54 AM
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I think it’s more important to note that women need careers to not need men (eg if she has money she can escape an abuser) as well as potentially impressing men. Many say women shouldn’t care about careers because they (maybe wrongly) claim it doesn’t help them get a guy but they fail to realise women should care so they have an escape route and because some guys might care and because it’s needed for her to have a way out and because some women are passionate about their careers. Don’t belittle…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 02:07 AM
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I might agree if women didn’t have all these worries about proving themselves as girlfriend material to jump through hoops to deal with the Madonna Whore complex and fears of being used for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 09:45 PM
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I think late 20s is ideal but maybe not too late to beat ageing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:56 PM
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Studies show early marriage increases divorce risk and others show 25 is the age the brain is duly developed. Also, 1 in 8 under 25 year olds are virgins. People should get married mid to late 20s if they’re getting married and want kids. If they don’t want kids they can wait longer but it can hurt their chances. But I do think some people could try to form meaningful relationships and then marry when they’re both at least 25. Middle age starts at 30 and women are ageing better now and with beau…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:56 PM
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By 19??? No one should seriously expect that of a 19 year old. Regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:17 PM
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That probably explains a lot of the problems. Like I know looks and (especially for gold diggers) money and charm matters but if you’re making a sub to discuss romantic dynamics love should least crop up a more than few times.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:14 PM
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Sometimes a woman happens to meet an older man and falls in love So many married couples have an over 10 year gap that you would think the “it’s a shockingly large gap” would only be a thing if it’s 20 years or more and they’re not so old even that hardly matters. Or if they’re so young that 10 years would obviously matter. I know a woman who fell in love with her university teacher (and had had similar age relationships) and dates him when the course ended. But he still didn’t have a car and li…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:26 PM
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I would say it should be higher but I think if they do that they should raise the minimum wage (they should anyway).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 12:31 PM
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I think it would be worse without but I see your point
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 12:10 PM
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No because women can get traumatised by abortions and this “financial abortion” doesn’t risk traumatising the man it just lets him get off Scott free while the woman suffers more knowing she would have no support. I think child support is good because it’s the only challenge to many men’s mindset of trying to go for tonnes of hookups Scott free regardless of what happens to the women. Men need the potential for child support to make them think about their choices. Women already have the risk of …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 11:53 AM
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I think if she likes you she will treat you better in other ways. Being afraid of being pumped and dumped is what often happens when she really likes you and she wouldn’t worry about some guy she doesn’t. Make sure she treats you right in other ways. And is attracted to you when she has you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 08:18 PM
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Some people do adopt though
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 08:16 PM
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Depends on the individual. For some changes are for the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:50 PM
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Men might not always have children. Neither need the other. And there’s adoption.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:49 PM
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Actually she could have made mistakes or be scared of being pumped and dumped. But if she wants you she would be willing to have sex with you eventually. If she really wants you she will be enthusiastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:48 PM
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You don’t know she backslided and I am not condoning going for marriages without attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:04 PM
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It doesn’t mean it is hypocritical if she admits she changed. Hypocritical would mean if she was still like that. A man can make his own choice and choosing his opportunity to be with her now or not. Up to him. If she’s really improved herself it’s his loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 06:58 PM
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Maybe she was drunk some of those times. Alcohol makes a difference. I don’t think expecting women to be unable to control themselves for you just because they’re attracted is a good mindset. Plus age, maturity and regret can change things anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 06:54 PM
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I was talking about priorities for fulfilment
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 06:51 PM
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Depends on your priorities
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 05:33 PM
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Or she’s a good woman so she meets his high standards. It’s really not the same phrase. About money you could e more discreet and not flaunt wealth too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 04:25 PM
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Women have self control. She might have regretted her past and still want you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 04:09 PM
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Settling and settling down are different phrases. Teachers tell disruptive children to settle down because it means focusing on what they should be doing. Grown women who want a loving marriage think “settling down” means finding a loving husband. “Settling” in the other context or “settling for less” is different. Almost the opposite. It’s like she’s forcing herself to choose the wrong man. Don’t conflate the 2. Money and commitment aren’t the same. If women want you to commit then you can stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 04:07 PM
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I don’t want marriage but this could be a good idea for women who do want marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:47 PM
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I see your point but if a guy’s either not ready or a divorced father that is not just about women making bad choices it’s about women getting poor choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:40 PM
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Have you not seen their community? Just because many misuse the word (like how I hate ppl throwing the word psychopath around...it’s real but misused) it doesn’t mean it’s not real. I support only talking about them for real and not conflating them with all red pill or MGTOW or random sexist guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:37 PM
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But it’s not always like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:30 PM
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I see your point but many less experienced people cheat because of the experiences they thought they missed because they settled down too soon so they cheat to get them. Some people should have had a “been there done that” phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:20 PM
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Or maybe they do know they will get older but take the “not yet” attitude. Many girls having casual sex had said they wanted marriage some day.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:18 PM
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They could settle down with men who are ready to settle down and it doesn’t have to be in his 30s. Women sometimes date guys plus or minus 15 years but it shouldn’t be for ridiculous situations like if someone is only 18 or worse younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:17 PM
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Life isn’t about finding yourself it’s about creating yourself and I wish I understand that better when I was younger. And it’s not all about sleeping around.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:13 PM
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Women don’t need men and men never needed women. But fertility and time biologically etc mean you’re more likely to settle down when you don’t have as much time but men have a higher window.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:12 PM
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It’s not saying you are attracted to marriage material men to be more interested in getting serious when you don’t have enough time it’s just a change in priorities. Wanting a hot husband doesn’t mean she’s less attracted to him than the many hot guys she might have had just that she’s more likely to want to commit to one. And she could even be more attracted to the man she wants to have sex with for life than a regrettable drunk hookup that’s more linked to immaturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:10 PM
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Only when describing real incels. Oh I followed your advice and added it in🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:53 PM
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But real Incels are even more misogynistic than most. Many women haters (even MGTOW) don’t go as far as Incels who say they applaud women getting beaten and often want to rape women and teenage girls and want government programs to get more teenage girls rape and kill Chads etc. But I do think the incel insult should be for actual Incels (eg if they have those views on those communities and especially if they’re self proclaimed Incels as some are).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 12:45 PM
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I think it can have some meaning to self proclaimed Incels on incel forums proud to be Incels hating women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 12:39 PM
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Sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 06:19 AM
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It’s beautiful you don’t hate her
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:07 AM
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I don’t think either if you have real needs not survival based. You’re wrong to say sex she’s wrong to say anything else that’s not for survival. Quite frankly many people go without sex without it significantly harming their mental health at least on it’s own. Other issues mixed in make it more complicated. But I will say that being in a dead bedroom can still be sad. People can be upset and mentally healthy but it’s still not a happy situation. Chances are she used to want sex with you but the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 12:53 AM
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I think most women are more concerned about it’s only wanting sex. I think most women date guys they want sex with
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 11:48 PM
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By need I meant need to survive: eg food/water etc As for what you mentioned, you seem to be answering OPs question. You say the red flags are impatience and no introduction to friends and family
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 11:47 PM
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You literally implied all men were only in it for sex! Most women date men they want to have sex with but could go for “not quite the hottest guy”. Having said that sex isn’t technically a need because you don’t die without it. But most people have romantic relationships with people they want to have sex with anyway. And what I said about her company implied she should find someone who likes her as a person so the companionship side works too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 11:39 PM
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If he’s so attractive he wouldn’t have to
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 11:23 PM
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If he’s so attractive and only wants sex wouldn’t be prefer to go for sex with someone more attractive which he can get if he’s that attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 11:20 PM
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I see your point and maybe going for the hottest guy and making that the only priority won’t help her but I think getting a guy who’s only in it for the sex isn’t in her best interests. She should find someone who isn’t only in it for the sex and is genuinely grateful to be around her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 11:18 PM
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Just want to say using people and manipulating ppl is wrong anyway but making someone heartbroken is awful and just because you got an orgasm it doesn’t make it ok. A few minutes pleasure isn’t worth causing so much emotional pain don’t be so selfish!!! It’s horrible we live in a world where these questions even need to be asked. If you want casual sex then honestly tell her u don’t want to commit and don’t be a horrible person! Don’t be trash to other people then complain when people disrespect…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 11:14 PM
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Demi sexual means having to have emotional attachment to be attracted. If you’re ever attracted to any hot celebs you never met or someone you’re not that close to or wanted and enjoyed a one night stand you’re not Demi sexual and most people aren’t. But it’s normal for most people to be more attracted to charming impressive people. For me I am more receptive and want to get to know someone but I can just about be attracted to VERY hot guys idk (despite the fact holistic attraction really helps …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 01:41 PM
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No. At most Demi sexual. Ace ppl don’t feel attracted even with connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 10:27 AM
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I think some women make even hot guys wait because they’re afraid of being pumped and dumped. They sometimes use sex toys before dates to self satisfy and curb temptation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 09:27 PM
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But I do condemn gold diggers
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 09:19 PM
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That’s not what I meant
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 09:19 PM
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I think men do have problems. Gender roles are problems for men and women. I don’t support everyone thinking the man has to pay and initiate etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 06:09 AM
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I know
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 11:58 PM
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I think it’s unfair to ppl from divorced families etc and I think ppl know they can’t get perfection so to be impressed by one thing then subconsciously we let other things slide even if it’s subtle or we’re not aware of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 11:58 PM
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They shouldn’t because only real incels should be called Incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 10:08 PM
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There’s some Bernie supporters who wound more supportive of you though
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 10:07 PM
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It’s like “sins of the father” bs or you’re confirming someone for being part of a “bad family” even if they’re kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 09:26 PM
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I think Hillary isn’t as bad as ppl say and WAAAY better than Trump but if anything that just makes you a Republican. JK. I think neither are perfect especially Kamala but overall I would choose either over Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 09:25 PM
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I still think I would rather judge if the man is a good person rather than his family because I would be in a relationship with him not them. If he’s a good man it’s not his fault if he has mean relatives. It’s still a bad enough concept and it implies letting a man be a less good man if his family is nice enough to make up for it or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 09:24 PM
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Thanks for becoming a better man and growing as a person. But if she was raped by only one guy (still horrific for her) that’s one sexual partner (low N count and not her fault because she’s the victim) I don’t get what you’re saying
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 09:22 PM
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Kindness and respectfulness (when someone has earned respect) are good human qualities. So is being a good listener. But you shouldn’t have to be a servant. If she doesn’t listen to you but you listen to her distance yourself from that imbalance. I think you should treat women well but don’t be a pushover. Saying the only thing to do is add to the brutality is just bad for everyone. Look hot too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:50 PM
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I think it’s objectionable that you write “from good backgrounds” as if it’s supposed to be something to be impressed by. I care about merit and looks of the man not his “good background”. It’s extremely classist and not even beneficial for the woman if he squandered the money, looks like trash and chooses to be awful. If he’s attractive and personable focus on that not his background!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:45 PM
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Glad you improved yourself by why wouldn’t someone date a rape victim just because of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:29 PM
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One is Incels.is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 05:47 PM
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I am talking about incel forums. Check screenshots from the incel tears sub. Many really are referring to guys on those forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 05:47 PM
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She probably didn’t even mean it that way but even so I still think it’s wrong to tell someone to sleep on the couch when they were the one booking. She booked the bed etc so she can lie in it!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 05:17 PM
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Still making her sleep on a couch when she’s booking is bs!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 05:03 PM
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By Incels I mean people on that forum who hate women. Not regular virgin men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 05:02 PM
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I mean he got lots of attention focused on him after his death with his incel manifesto
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 01:03 PM
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I think it’s like when tired parents cave in to a child having a tantrum. The loudest most obnoxious voice gets the most attention. The normal virgin men won’t get the same focus as Elliot Roger.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 10:34 AM
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MGTOW is good in theory because it’s just guys going their own way and it’s a choice unlike with Incels. It’s also not as woman hating in practice. I believe incel should be reserved for actual Incels. I think it’s because normal virgin men are less vocal than Incels who have an open woman hating forum. But it’s still an anti woman community because so many posts are anti woman. Maybe you can call yourself “anti sexist MGTOW” and say you go your own way without being hateful. I think MGTOW would…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 10:30 AM
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It’s not ok for him to make her! She booked this holiday so she should have the right to the bed she paid for!!! I would say the same if the roles were reversed. He can sleep on the couch if he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 09:09 AM
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I don’t condone anyone being bullied for looks but if he has their MINDSET he deserves it and if he’s wilfully supporting their forum he does. Many Incels are self proclaimed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 08:55 AM
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In this post it says “if you dare criticise women” so I referred to this post saying that by saying it shouldn’t condemn all women. Many feminists are liberals who care about safe working conditions and support paternity leave. They also oppose harmful expectations of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 08:32 AM
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Me hate reading their community for hours daily until I spent roughly 300 hours hate reading it and that makes the source: their own community. There’s countless posts promoting rape and killing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 08:26 AM
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I think both have problems actually
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:43 AM
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They even brag about it on their forum
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:42 AM
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What are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:15 AM
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Red pill is bad enough don’t even get me started on Incels though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:59 AM
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Incels are often abusers. Some brag about hitting their own mothers to vent anger! They say they would applaud it if they saw a man beating his girlfriend because they promote abuse. MOST of them (not just a few bad apples) promote rape. They’re not cheaters because they’re not with women in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:57 AM
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Some men have a hard time. Even as a feminist I can admit that. But that doesn’t mean you should condemn all women. I don’t think anyone should be called an incel unless they have incel views though. Incels chose to create their woman hating forum. Many Incels promote rape so it shouldn’t be sympathised with. I don’t want to say men have no issues but I think women deal with a Madonna Whore complexes judging them and unattractive women are rejected and creep shamed and have more similarities wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:51 AM
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It’s normal and not low value for a woman to have 2 exes or more and many guys (normal guys not just on this sub) don’t mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 11:39 AM
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Pumping at dumping and using women for sex is not romantic. I think a guy should be ok with waiting if she makes him feel special but I understand if he’s not happy if she’s not making him feel special. She should contribute to dates or do nice things for him. If he’s willing to cook for her (not condoning sexist gender expectations) maybe she could cook for him. She can buy cards and gifts. 2 way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 08:34 AM
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I don’t think lack of casual sex makes you sexually unsuccessful if you easily get dates and sexually fulfilling relationships. I can only agree if there’s a dead bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 06:49 PM
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Women need careers not to make men care but for their own money and well-being!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:56 PM
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Not speaking for all women but I am ok with being single and won’t settle for a relationship that diminishes me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:31 PM
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There was this guy bragging about using roughly 70 women for sex and having virgin ideation about his virgin girlfriend. 🤢
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 11:31 AM
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Standards in a relationship being different to a ONS doesn’t mean anyone is a beta. Plus she might have regretted past hookups and have new standards that apply to all men. Having said that I apply my standards consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 11:26 AM
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Both genders should be encouraged to be a healthy weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 11:22 AM
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Do they mean anything to you as friends or mentors or team members?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 11:16 AM
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Are there women who have earned your admiration? What about female veterans?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 11:12 AM
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I actually find this reassuring. There’s some sexist comments but most I saw were men respecting women including female friends who they had positive experiences with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 11:11 AM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 10:54 AM
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What if a woman is brave, kind, determined, moral and sexy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 10:40 AM
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They should be valued as human beings not just to turn you on! And some other men might want them. Plus many women need jobs for fulfilment and money (they don’t want to use men). Plus chefs mean she’s cooking and can be better at cooking for you (not that I agree with your worldview or think any woman should have to). A woman can have a job and still love wearing heels, makeup, nail polish, long hair, skirts and dresses. Sometimes to work. She can also like going to the spa on weekends and bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 10:38 AM
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Just being friends isn’t leading him on. But if she pretends to be attracted to him (not just him having delusions or wishful thinking which is most of the time) then yeah he’s justified because if you’re actually sure she’s pretending to want more when she doesn’t then it’s manipulative and he’s right to cut her off. But if it’s straight up friendship that’s different.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 03:26 PM
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That’s literally the point of friendship and he should accept that or not be her friend in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 01:46 PM
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Entitlement of the phony guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 01:29 PM
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Women have more beauty products and higher beauty standards. This is why more men are uninspiring. But I am not sure I believe the 80% figure because some men on dating apps are already married or dating. But I also think holistic attraction is more real than you imply.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:24 AM
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I think most women are upset if a guy pretends to care about them as friends and just left when they couldn’t get the sex they were lurking for. That’s not entitlement. But it’s wrong for that minority of women who use men as backups.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:22 AM
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Finances!? Most female friends don’t get dates paid for or any help from a man’s finances like a girlfriend would.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:20 AM
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I have been friend zoned by guys and accepted it. These guys are really just salty they didn’t get the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:19 AM
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No (unless it’s unreasonable standards or bad standards like wanting a woman with an eating disorder and it’s wrong to want any woman to suffer that) but they should lower their weight. As a woman I will say: being in shape matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 04:17 PM
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Women who want other short guys if you look hot. Ask her if she likes Zelensky or Daniel Radcliffe etc or look for fans. They’re not very tall but hot overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 12:38 AM
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But sex is different. For the guy commenting he wants to be sexually desired. It’s what turns him on sexually. He might be ok with a moody cashier if he gets his stuff but for sex he thinks desire is hotter. Feeling desired can’t be replaced by “it’s a job” or “technically she gets the sex acts done like a checklist”.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 08:47 PM
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I have been attracted to many hotties who don’t want me and the way many women reject many men proves that women aren’t always turned on by being desired. And considering lots of men like women flirting with them and flirty women and a woman I know gets more dates being flirty even though she doesn’t look better than me shows men want to be desired and it can help their desire for a woman. I believe men and women BOTH have some reactive and spontaneous sexual desire unless ace. It can vary overa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 08:43 PM
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Opposing casual sex is one thing. But opposing higher minimum wages and access to healthcare would just ruin poor men and women. Why would they want that? It could become them one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 05:11 AM
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Or gay men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 01:13 AM
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I think they like the age first and next to for “natural beauty”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 01:53 PM
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Yeah like how normal people have age preferences but there’s are shifted towards younger ages. Grossly young. I mean they want the kids but if would proprefer kids attractive by their standards. Maybe they thought your flaws were cute or quirky. Pedos have odd preferences to say the least. Maybe they liked your subtle nonchalance about your looks. I wouldn’t know much about pedo preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 01:17 PM
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I was de facto invisible as a minor with few exceptions so you must have been hot...to a certain type of guy. Ewww anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 10:25 AM
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“Handy”. Maybe you were hot by pedophile standards as a child and hot now but don’t notice it. Please don’t take this the wrong way and I don’t condone creeps and wish no one was attracted to children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 10:23 AM
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There’s this thing called Google
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 09:42 AM
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You trivialities what lots of women go through. For some women it’s countless catcalls and an endless loop of harassment harassment and more sexual harassment! Not occasional. Lots of women get sexually assaulted. Lots of women live in fear. Especially at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 09:38 AM
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It’s just in case you haven’t or based on my experiences. I am not assuming anything about you since you don’t know. Just take whatever advice works for you and leave what you want like it’s a buffet. But sorry if I came across the wrong way. You don’t deserve the sexual harassment. You deserve support for being child free. For what it’s worth I applaud your decision as a fellow child free person. I am a fellow child free person who also wishes to dress freely without people getting the wrong id…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 05:29 PM
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Tell them that money doesn’t save you or kids from WW3 and au pairs aren’t radiation shields. Remind them about wars that could escalate. Tell them au pairs can’t replace the love of a Mum who doesn’t regret having children. I was friends with an au pair of a family that was busy but loved their children and would sometimes spend time with them. It saves time but can’t substitute the love of someone with maternal instinct. Tell them it’s something you don’t have an money can’t buy. Many people h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 05:06 PM
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I don’t want kids either. Say it’s not selfish to not want to bring them into this world. Only one person said I was selfish and I tell everyone I don’t want kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 04:50 PM
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I think I offer solutions based on how I learned to present myself but maybe it doesn’t work for you. I am sorry if I bothered you. I am sorry you’re so upset you considered mutilating your body. Let me be clear: as I have always said, none of this is ok! I think it’s disgusting that men are so quick to objectify and sexually harass women. I know that even solutions I think of for myself could work for me but lead to so much over thinking it’s bad for my anxiety. I feel trapped into how I “shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 04:47 PM
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I don’t condone their nasty comments
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 04:18 PM
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I think the looser the better and just tell people you aren’t pregnant. Still think other people shouldn’t make those kinds of comments about your body. You don’t deserve to be sexually harassed or objectified.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 04:02 PM
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Yeah but some grey wool dresses can be loose (maybe look for sizes too large) so it’s less form fitting than her clothes. Some of her shorts are a bit short and she occasionally shows cleavage so covering up and wearing something very loose is more effective. But some of her outfits are more effective. Still think the sexual harassment is their fault not yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 03:01 PM
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Good luck. Sounds like you would need it in this place with so many scummy guys. I can’t help thinking society normalising cheating is part of the problem. When other people are often betraying their spouses it’s no wander these men wander if you want the same thing as many others who cheat. Men and women both cheat so much! Bad behaviour creates more bad behaviour. Not defending the sleazy men but society is normalising this bs of hitting on married people. If they were decent and you were sing…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 12:36 PM
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Good idea. I thought you meant on other posts. Turns out he seems misguided to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 08:59 AM
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There’s modest sun dresses and light loose button shirts to be more summer friendly and modest at the same time. There’s sarongs and there’s also things meant to go over clothes that have a hole for the head and just drape over you. There’s scarves and shawls for hot weather to tie in a not at the neck so it makes things more modest. There’s oversized shirts. Loose fitting summer trousers. As much as it makes me cringe to say this (I don’t like how cringey some of what she says is) you can look …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 08:30 AM
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I think women should be allowed to wear anything legal (even if it is “attention seeking”) without sexual harassment. But you are right many women get harassed for normal clothes. You could complain to your boss about those guys. Turn it around on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 08:22 AM
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Why shouldn’t she hate overtly bad men. If they are overtly bad she has a good reason to resent them and if they’re OVERTLY bad they must have done something wrong. For her to notice it must have been in front of her unless it’s on a forum or news. I think it’s selfish to only care about people being mistreated when it affects you. Like don’t think other people’s lives don’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 08:12 AM
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Wanting a partner you are sexually attracted to is not revenge. Everyone should try to look sexy for their partners if they have partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 08:07 AM
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Toxic masculinity is not healthy masculinity. It’s not hating all or healthy masculinity to hate toxic masculinity. Toxic masculinity can involve pretending that sex is a need. No one needs sex and you don’t die without it. “Sexual needs” is about as BS as most people who are acting like they’re doing jobs they hate for reasons other than money. Sexual needs are not needs. But by pretending sexual needs are needs when no one actually needs sex it enables the incel mentality. It’s hard to believe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 11:54 PM
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Until relatively recently men were allowed to rape their wives! That could have been how some babies were made. I don’t think it being “imposed by nature” makes it any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 11:38 PM
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I haven’t seen his comments. What kind of things does he say?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 10:45 PM
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What exactly do you mean when you say women are taking revenge on men? For someone who says women shouldn’t generalise about men you generalise that all women are taking revenge and don’t even say what the revenge is. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 04:56 PM
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With all due respect I know people care about ex but it’s uneducated to ignore human complexity and other causes of war. Just because many individual solders go and rape and are horny it doesn’t mean it defines all the men there and all intentions or the political situation. Please educate yourself about ways religion/resources/borders lead to war. Of all the places a man can get laid, why does America focus on attacking oil (resource) rich areas? Think if crusades and religious wars. Think of b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 02:11 PM
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No. I think it’s not 80% and average guys are less attractive because of lower male beauty standards. Think of all the products for women etc. If men tried as hard things would be more balanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 11:53 AM
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Ability to maintain a house involves skills not just looks. Planning, childcare and cooking involve skills and so do home devices. Cleaning is work. To ignore this and say it’s all about looks or saying it’s her only worth just because of what you claim men want is illogical. A human beings worth is not purely defined by sex or marriage options. A woman’s worth as a human being is not defined by what men want. And you literally admitted he cared about how housework. Literally how he can have kid…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 11:51 AM
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Humans are more complicated and actually it’s surviving and reproducing combined. If a species was immortal it wouldn’t need to reproduce so reproduction is like a substitute to surviving forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 09:20 AM
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A lot of wars are about religion and resources. In the past it was more likely to be about territory and empire. Or inequality (revolutions and slavery). Not saying it’s nothing to do with sex but unless you are talking about just the Trojan war, sex aren’t one of the main causes like what I mentioned. I studied history and social sciences and today those causes are mostly it except outside of the Ukraine and Taiwan conflicts, war is less likely to be about territory. Terrorism means it’s more l…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:23 AM
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I like guys who have different personalities and interests and views from either of my parents so not me. Idk about others.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:14 AM
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I think if men didn’t slut shame women approaching first it would happen more often. A d no red pill. Red pill is always saying men have to lead etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:08 AM
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But it’s for anyone else who thinks like that. She must have got her views from somewhere, problematic and wrong as they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 02:15 PM
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If they really are just being creepy I am 💯not condoning it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 01:27 PM
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First of all how can she disown you she’s not your parents. Second of all disowning someone for that considering they’re probably struggling enough for that mistake would be horrible anyway. Third of all biologically it takes a man and a woman so only blaming the woman is bs because you should blame both unless it’s rape. Fourth of all “blame” implies it’s bad. It’s bad if it’s an unplanned pregnancy but some ppl in stable relationships just haven’t got married due to costs and arrangements hass…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 12:10 PM
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Not every woman expects to marry a more “successful” husband (and success is subjective ). Studies show (learn about assertive mating) women are increasingly marrying those with similar jobs and salaries so it’s more egalitarian (not saying entirely equal but closer than before). Sexism exists so saying a woman has perseverance to do a difficult job is real. The red pill shows some people really mainly value women for looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 07:33 AM
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I understand some parents misunderstanding risks is an issue but it’s still a far cry from anyone actually having sex in a brother for cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 05:34 AM
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Teens don’t know everything but teens can be interesting in a non sexual way and not just Greta Thunberg. She might have been talking about her condition.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:20 AM
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I actually think I was more interesting as a teen than I am now (but I like how I matured and stopped some cringe and regrets and learned from mistake and learned more about life and grew) and sometimes guys who didn’t know my age or what I looked like would message me about politics without flirting. I still think I am happier to be a grown woman now and voting is a beautiful right of passage because it’s not just an interest in politics it’s something I can do as an adult. It makes me feel mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:19 AM
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I don’t think all teens are boring
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:14 AM
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I think lots of guys pretend but just bc OP thinks she’s boring it doesn’t mean everyone does. Different tastes. What if some find her interesting and not just sexually?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 03:07 AM
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Making a channel that’s not sexual isn’t being a prostitute! The parents are wrong it’s the guys perception of she’s not even trying to be sexual like overtly sexual Belle Del Phine. Like it could be about her condition. What about if she’s making it and other teenage girls enjoy? Should they let a few creeps define them as hookers? Basically hooker!? It’s a far cry from being paid for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 03:04 AM
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Lots of guys are creeps but what if some are interested in her content? Just because this guy isn’t should we assume all cannot be??
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 03:01 AM
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Same here. But at least they are paid unlike other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 02:35 AM
1

I don’t usually suggest it but when men sound desperate for sex or think every woman is a gold digger or that woman owe them sex for stuff I soften think they might as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 01:02 AM
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He should be the one to decide what’s better for him and I stand by what I said about “alpha” not being about reacting to insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 12:07 AM
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I don’t think leaving based on insecurities is more “alpha”. But if it’s for his own well-being he should do what he thinks is right.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:41 PM
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There’s an imbalance in approaches etc but it doesn’t mean one group controls sex. I have been rejected and friend zoned and even a few beautiful women I have spoken to have been. Everyone has a choice even if then and women often have different choices. I actually know a woman who had to wait because her boyfriend wanted to wait for marriage and although he eventually caved and had sex sooner she was waiting for months (seemed based on what she told me). The only controllers if sex are rapists.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:40 PM
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And women aren’t the controllers of sex. Anyone had the right to say no and hot guys can reject mediocre women. And have the right to reject any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:22 PM
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I agree with a lot of what you said except calling him a beta and denying she could be attracted to him and it doesn’t say he’s providing for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:21 PM
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I think it’s his choice to leave or stay and I don’t think saying he’s spineless for staying if he cares about her is good. A simp stays for sex and mediocrity he could be staying for love and what she does for him. It’s his business.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:48 PM
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If she really does want him she’s not using him and he’s not desperate for getting over his insecurities. I’m not a high n count woman or a casual sex type or trying to diminish his insecurities. But we shouldn’t diminish her insecurities or affection from either. He might not be one of them since he’s thinking about leaving.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:39 PM
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He wouldn’t have to be desperate he would just need to like her and want to stay for love and what she does for him. And if he enjoys the sex after. Or if he doesn’t prioritise sex as much. But if he’s unhappy about it that’s different. It’s his decision to leave or stay and we shouldn’t assume it’s always because someone believes they have no other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:33 PM
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It doesn’t have to but it might. Even if he’s insecure they could get a good sex life if they try to work through things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:22 PM
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True but my point is waiting doesn’t mean it can never be good
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:14 PM
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Unless it makes him more exited when it happens... Some ppl wait for marriage and enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:13 PM
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I don’t believe in applying Wolf labels to human and beta males stuff. He’s not a lesser man for getting over his insecurities for a women he cares about and does a lot for him. It’s commendable and he knows he can leave. But if he wants to he can. 9 months is a while but it doesn’t mean he’s being used. It’s her insecurities .
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:12 PM
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Don’t blame him for feeling insecure but if he waits and it leads to a good sex life between them he can probably put it behind him eventually. Or he can leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:04 PM
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Maybe some guys are being used but probably not him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:02 PM
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Even women who have had casual sex can learn self control. I think self control improves with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 10:02 PM
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If anything she might be jumping through hoops to do a lot of things for him. I think if she didn’t care about making sure other guys didn’t pump and dump her it could June she didn’t care about them and probably didn’t prioritise them by doing a lot for them. I think a woman can be attracted to a man and have self control. I don’t blame him for feeling insecure but I don’t think she’s using him. I think she feels insecure and that’s the real reason for her actions. Not using him. I personally h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:21 PM
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Her past doesn’t mean she’s using him (see other comment). And if you say red pill doesn’t advocate using women you’re full of it!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:53 PM
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I don’t think she’s using him if she does lots for him because users are often takers (especially if she really thinks he can’t do better...so if she’s doing loads for him she either really doesn’t think he can’t leave or she’s doing a lot for him in other ways because she cares about him) and doing a lot for someone implies caring. I do more things for people who I care about. She’s doing things she wouldn’t do for those other men. It seems like she’s not using him but trying to keep him or at …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:52 PM
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Obsession with past on red pill is so OTT it’s unhealthy and actually they do advocate for using women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:48 PM
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First of all he still actually can leave and be single second of all if she does so much for him maybe she’s not using him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:47 PM
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I don’t think she’s using him but I think it’s hypocritical for red pill to advocate for using women then obsess about if a woman is using a man. They only condemn manipulation if they think it’s happening to them. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:14 PM
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It says she does a lot for him so maybe not. Having said that if he’s still free to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 01:58 PM
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Never said they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 01:57 PM
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Best/only one he’s going to get implies he’s settling for me. I think I don’t want marriage but for dating I would want someone in between. Not stressed by him having too many options but I don’t want him to be with me because he’s settling because he can’t get anyone else. Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:20 AM
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Exactly. Sometimes guys start out nice and become bad. People change. Some are jerks but just hide it at the start. That’s different because then she’s just seeing his true colours.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:50 AM
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I have a more nuanced idea. Being nice is the bare minimum for some ppl. If you sleep around with tonnes of guys who you know are jerks (even just for sex) you’re a hypocrite if you say being nice is the bare minimum. If you block + delete anyone you know is a bad guy and avoid or tell him to back or stand up to him you’re getting it. You have every right to say being nice is the bare minimum because you made that standard. Unless it’s a bad boss and I need the money or am stuck with someone for…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:48 AM
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Entitled to her commitment and loyalty!? I mean if she’s in a relationship with you she shouldn’t cheat or betray you but she doesn’t have to stay or be with you in the first place. Letting “Chad” die!? I thought working in medicine meant caring for your patients including what and “Chads”. The doctor I met was alright looking for his age and had a wife. And there’s this guy who’s described as Instagram’s hottest doctor who apparently saved someone on a plane. Some would call him a “Chad”. You w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:40 AM
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Or deceived. Sometimes men start out nice and become mean or show their true colours.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:26 AM
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I agree and it says she does a lot for him so she probably does like him. But 9 months is a bit much. I still don’t like how he brings up her past and wander if being reassured he wants to stay would actually convince her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 08:23 AM
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Not wanting to be pumped and dumped is the logic! Red pill says make him wait or he will pump and dump you! Having said that 9 months is a bit much. If she does a lot for him maybe she does care about him. Someone just using him probably wouldn’t bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 08:18 AM
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Some women regret certain sex acts and wanting to settle down could just mean making him wait because she’s afraid to be pumped and dumped not that she’s not attracted m
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:34 AM
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You act like men are commitment heroes when many just want the ONS in the moment and to forget her the next day and only pretend to care about the conversation not locking her down. Are you serious???
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:28 AM
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I wouldn’t let him buy me all those things because I want to earn them myself. But if he’s rich and was ok with doing that for his ex I would at least want him to offer something before I said no.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 09:48 AM
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I don’t want to expect all that from a guy because I really believe in 50/50. I think if he broke up with her for being entitled I might believe he felt used. Or things might be different if he has less money now. But if he has no problem with it and has an abundance of money that’s different. If a guy doesn’t want to go on ANY dates with me (where I a split the bill and it could be an affordable picnic date because it’s romantic) that is a bigger red flag. It says he doesn’t even want to spend …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 09:47 AM
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THIS
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 10:57 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 10:46 PM
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So women enjoying sex with their husbands is irrelevant too?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 09:19 PM
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THIS
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 09:15 PM
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I think people should try to be well rounded and good at housework and good to their partners. And if that’s not the case they can improve themselves and selection. Don’t select a partner who’s only good for one thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 09:02 PM
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You’re right some women enjoy sex with hubby
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 07:36 PM
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I literally wasn’t calling it rape. Still think it’s unethical. Whining about other things is different but it’s more important for sex to be enthusiastically consensual so someone doesn’t get conditioned to thinking sex us a chore. It’s physical, about bodies and hormones and desires and sometimes feelings. So using it for a phony “obligation” is worse the whining about socks. I don’t think choice feminism ruins sex bc it is ok with men being dominant in role play and women making choices they …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 07:36 PM
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I said dubious not rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 07:26 PM
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I am a CHOICE FEMINIST so if she’s not pressured and happy and cared for (fair division of labour) I support her choosing to be a SAHM if she wants to. I also support her working if she wants to. It’s not victim hood. But for women’s work to be under appreciated and for her to be treated like she’s only good for sex? APPALLING!!!!!!! 💯😡
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 07:25 PM
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If a guy isn’t whiny and accepts her answer and doesn’t have sex with her when it’s obvious she’s unwilling (if you’re married to someone you’re supposed to understand them on some level even if you’re not reading their mind just when it’s obvious because if you never understand your spouse you shouldn’t be married...applies to both genders) he’s not to blame. But if he throws a tantrum whenever she says no and initiated by berating her about how long it’s been since sex (icky attitude is probab…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 07:22 PM
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If she doesn’t want sex she should say no. I tend to agree with that. But men need to stop whining. And the fact that some women do say no unless they enjoy the sex means it’s NOT always “obligation sex” by your definition. Some women do enthusiastically consent to sex with their husbands. Some women want more sex from their husbands. 34% middle aged women surveyed in a magazine targeted to middle aged women wanted more sex from their husbands. So a woman can consent to her husband because she w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 07:16 PM
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I said unethical not rape. It’s unethical to whine until it’s obvious she’s only having sex to shut him up. I don’t think men are mind readers but sometimes it’s pretty obvious and he created the situation with his infantile behaviour. He needs to grow up. Not talking about if she pretended to be enthusiastic without him whining because that’s on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 07:13 PM
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There’s a difference between no attraction and less attraction. You should be able to live with it if she’s slightly less attracted to you than previous partners. But not attracted to you at all or barely? You’re right it’s a giant red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 05:17 PM
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No one is entitled to sex. Even with their spouses. There can be no “obligation sex”. She has the right to say no. He does too. Sex without consent is rape. Sex without enthusiastic consent is dubious. Gold diggers might put up with some sex to get a man to provide for them but most women want a husband they’re attracted to. Some women have hot husbands (I struggle to keep my eyes off them) and 34% middle aged women in a magazine targeted to middle aged women (about things to do in bed and since…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 05:10 PM
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Being bad in bed or looks doesn’t have to mean conversations are bad. Makes the sex worse but he had it anyway. So he had to rush off because of looks or bad skills in bed? Also even if it’s true I have no sympathy because it’s still a jerk move and all this virgin ideation combined with expectations that she’s hot and good in bed is delusional. Wanting relationships can mean that bs is prevented if there’s a relationship so he’s less likely to do that if they’re really together.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 11:46 PM
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Some guys do just rush off. Besides, some people do want to do other couple things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 11:39 PM
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Some women do want casual sex. Some women want the guys having sex with them to care about them not just rush off after sex and say it’s just sex and never hear from them again. Relationships involve sex and cuddling (all that post sex affection to suppress in casual sex and cuddling in non sexual contexts) and dates. There’s romantic feelings you get for a romantic partner you don’t feel for your friends. There’s more texting and attentiveness. A healthy relationship is when they care for each …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 10:04 PM
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Hookers only provide sex. Domestic labour helps a man come home to a cooked meal and clean house so he can focus on work and know his children are taken care of. Sometimes wives say no to sex. Marriage doesn’t have to be prostitution unless there’s a gold digger involved. If she loves her man and only has sex when she wants to (or can sometimes say no...even red pill women sometimes say no to husbands) it’s not prostitution and is more like paying a housekeeper or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:54 PM
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Nice. Maybe some women might like it. You could learn some hobbies more popular with women and see if you also find another you like. You might actually like one. Especially since you seem to like making things it’s adjacent to art.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:38 PM
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“Forging”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:33 PM
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If everyone was perfect looks would be equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:32 PM
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Still different because artificial hierarchies wouldn’t change people’s genuine attractions. Like they might look down on someone but want to secretly get into their bed and never be seen with them in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:32 PM
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But in this society where everyone is perfect looking... people would have to look naturally good or it wouldn’t apply to everyone because not everyone can afford plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:25 PM
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People have different preferences but there would be less rejection based on looks or concept of choosing someone because they’re more attractive. There would be more casual sex because almost everyone would be hot enough to get into bed with. Male female non sexual friendships sometimes happen in this world and are more effective when the man isn’t attracted to her. If everyone looked perfect he would be. But less desperation could help and people would feel more relaxed about rejection and loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:24 PM
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Many women split bills (in the modern world it’s more normal than the past). There’s still women doing a lot of chores. Many women are social. Many women are kind and good company. Some women are loving. Most women have more to offer than sex. I think many men just aren’t trying to see that. You won’t find what you want in a shop if you go in blindfolded.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 08:54 PM
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I don’t think getting lots of money is needed unless she’s a gold digger or wannabe SAHM. Maybe a moderate amount of money so you can be comfortable together especially if you have children would help. Basically enough to afford to give a child a good start in life. Exercise is good for your health which makes you live longer so your return on keeping healthy is literally more life years! If by “game” you mean you are fed up with red pill and don’t think it’s a good deal for you spit it out. Man…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 08:49 PM
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Guys sometimes call women creepy. Some would mock me for wanting to go to cafes. Or act disgusted I was anywhere near them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 08:12 PM
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Red pill is toxic. It teaches men to only want sex or is obsessed with sex. I almost wander if they have other priorities. Even on Instagram where a few guys messages me to flirt some only talk about politics and don’t flirt with me. Outside of red pill you can see men who don’t only want one thing. But red pill guys act like they have an an endless loop of “sex sex sex” in their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 01:27 PM
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But they might have different agendas. One was racist with the great replacement theory. We’re they all? Maybe there’s more than one cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 01:22 PM
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Looks and other charm is more important but it helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 06:33 PM
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I really do think science tells us monogamy but I think being anti hypocrisy is more important. I can’t stand guys who think they should get to sleep around all they was then settle down with a trad wife while condemning women who want to settle down after sleeping around.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 06:33 PM
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I think the point about the study saying the males would become selective means I don’t think we were evolved for polygyny. Having said that I think you have a point that having a decent society overrides every urge. Self control matters. I also think polyamory is justified if it’s honest but these horrible double standards aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 05:13 PM
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I mean skirting around group encouragement to not hit on the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 05:09 PM
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Guys expect at least something close to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:50 PM
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It’s more like processing your emotions
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:30 PM
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Idk
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:27 PM
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ABSOLUTELY . Look at adverts and think of all these products targeted at women to be seen as attractive and what is expected of a woman. Smooth perfect hairless skin, makeup, better groomed, DIY or spa mani pedi and shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:27 PM
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THIS. Too many men are contributing to the very problems they complain about. They ignore virgins and fully clothed and less sexual women while paying lip service to virgin ideation and slut shaming while being promiscuous themselves. Hypocrisy at its finest.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:11 PM
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If you’re pumping and dumping or manipulating women then you are doing something wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:08 PM
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Good idea
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:59 PM
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Men have lower beauty standards so getting hot is easier for men than women. Play a sport or go to the gym. Style and hygiene helps. Take care of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:53 PM
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In bars lots of young women will just want sex if that’s her priority and she’s horny and you’re hot and flirting. That’s how.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:43 PM
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Even if she is attracted to other men she’s allowed to have her preferences! Guys shouldn’t abandon their friends because if it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:40 PM
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I was talking about when they were friends in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:39 PM
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You have a point in some cases
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:36 PM
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But there could be perks
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:35 PM
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I would love to support mental health of both genders but I definitely see women as the disadvantaged group for reasons I mentioned above based on the West! Other cultures have it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:34 PM
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I think we can agree to disagree about monogamy because I have my evidence but we agree that red pill is bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:33 PM
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Parties have VIP zones sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:31 PM
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I see your point but I think there’s many reasons to reject someone and it doesn’t always mean there’s something wrong with you. It could be she’s insecure and feels like there’s something wrong with herself and wants to work on herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:30 PM
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Maybe after some space. You could ask her for some space first and then be friendly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 12:57 PM
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I think it’s ok if they temporarily need some space and you could communicate about that. Maybe ask how long etc. But other than that I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 12:56 PM
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Maybe they should just say they need some space to get over it temporarily and reassure them they will come back as just friends after that or if they’re really needed in an emergency
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 12:54 PM
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I think it depends on how much changes. Wanting a bit of space for a little while and not doing so many special things? Ok. Being suddenly extremely distant, not listening, being extremely unsupportive and practically abandoning them long term? I can see the issue with that. If you like the way someone treats you but aren’t attracted to them you’re actually right to not dare them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 12:51 PM
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Probably by red pillers who make up bs anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 12:47 PM
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It’s not a good biological argument anyway because it wouldn’t work (in heterosexual contexts). Every time a woman has sex a man has sex. And vice versa. Biologically women can be horny. When I studied biology I read “the human genome” a book about evolution and from apes human evolved to be more monogamous so the males become selective too to get better offspring. This was done by tracing DNA in fossils. So it’s actually equally natural for men and women to be monogamous. Men just make up BS to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 12:43 PM
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I think mandatory DNA tests at birth and paternity tests and keeping a data base of all DNA samples is good. Not only to stop paternity fraud but to stop worse things than paternity fraud: abhorrent crimes. You don’t know who will turn out to be a killer so it’s helpful to have a data base for all. If it’s safe in the system than it can be matched to anything found at a crime scene. More women have tried to kill themselves but men are more successful at killing themselves. Some people accidental…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 12:39 PM
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Imagine you go to groups or work but instead of asking them for dates you ask them to go to do a social activity with a group of other co workers or members. That in itself isn’t asking them out. Then when you’re in that social context you have a green light. Same with a bar or dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 12:18 PM
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I don’t think wanting “shortcuts” will make you super successful in almost anything because success doesn’t usually come with a shortcut. But the best thing is to look hot if you go for women who openly just want casual sex and be honest about it so you find them. If you look hot, those kinds of women will go for you. Considering men have lower beauty standards you could say that’s the shortcut.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 12:03 PM
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Some just ask for my number or compliment my outfit or appearance or ask for coffee.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 11:46 AM
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I am not even commenting on all marriages but she was part of the project
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 10:12 AM
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I am low N count and liberal. But I would like to be romantic if in a sexual relationship and I agree with everything else you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 07:05 PM
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She probably has high standards and isn’t easily seduced if she’s hot and stayed that way for a while though and learned about life and PUAs etc
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 07:02 PM
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Exactly. I don’t know a single low N count woman or virgin who wants that or hear about it. Religious virgin women want virgin men. A woman I know lost her virginity to another virgin. Virgin who doesn’t want very high N count men. I am a virgin who doesn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 07:00 PM
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She might have lost her virginity by then
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:58 PM
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I think it’s usually non virgin women who shame virgin men
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:57 PM
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Or because it would be not hypocritical. BTW It’s hypocritical for a virgin woman to want a high N count man. Probably hypocritical for her to demand a non virgin. Like I understand liking the idea of him having 1 or a few (she probably wouldn’t want more) to have had a bit of practice but to demand it us hypocritical. And some actually like the idea of loosing their virginity to another virgin they love so it’s special. Like a woman I know did. So it’s not like she would never want a virgin. Pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:56 PM
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As a non high N count woman myself I can confirm
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:51 PM
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It’s hypocritical for a virgin woman to look down on a virgin man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 05:47 PM
1

I am a woman who thinks it’s normal for men too. I read about increasing young male virginity and 1 in 8 early 20 somethings being a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 05:43 PM
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Autism isn’t something to be ashamed of and I wish him luck learning better social skills
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 05:41 PM
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Having a N count of one in a LTR can give the man experience in bed to know what he’s doing without being high N count. Saying the virgin women are LIKELY to want that is bs. But Ia few might.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 05:40 PM
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If anything the reverse and hypocrisy is more likely. It’s like “traditionalism for thee but not for me”. It’s like he expects her to go without sex and even get mocked for being a virgin in some circles to please him after he’s been sleeping around as he pleases. I want to reject guys like him. I don’t think it’s as likely as red pill bs likes to claim for the reverse to be true. It’s unlikely but if it did happen it would be hypocritical unless she slept around herself a bit first or planned t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 05:38 PM
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I think it was in Good Housekeeping or something and I think some of the others were happy with what they had so not like a drastic number wanted far less sex. It was in an article about things to try in bed and the magazine was targeted to middle aged married women. Capitalism exists on demand so they must think it sells for a reason... Women must have a demand and desire for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 10:50 PM
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I don’t mean settling I mean realising you want more. Like staying with someone you love who doesn’t leave the next morning and still finding him sexy. 34% of middle aged women said they wanted more sex from their husbands and younger women tend to be hornier so husband material is hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 10:22 PM
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Sex positive people sometimes wait until it feels right or so anticipation makes sex better if it’s their plan. Reminds me of a Franklin Veaux situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 10:18 PM
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6 months is twice as much as FDS rules so waiting probably won’t be that long. But if it’s 6 dates it’s more reasonable if it’s a rational choice for a relationship and about no self control: if she only wanted just sex and didn’t like the other guys and had no more sex with them again it could be controlled or it could be caving into seduction. Either. I think the hype around Chads and Tyrones are mostly incel stereotypes. I don’t think it means no attraction. I also think sometimes people chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 09:51 PM
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If you’re not willing to wait for someone if they want to (ok maybe not too long) then you aren’t patient that’s not inherent or a virtue
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 08:56 PM
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I think if one is so rushed he probably doesn’t care enough then. Maybe he’s misguided.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 08:54 PM
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I don’t believe it because some women have self control. Stop projecting based on men with no self control.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 08:53 PM
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Waiting could mean wanting to get to know each other
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 08:52 PM
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She could really care about connection AND be attracted to you. It’s not always stringing you along because I agree it’s BS. I actually think attraction can grow but she probably wouldn’t be dating you if it hadn’t already or she didn’t already want you. Most ppl (including women) reject if they’re not attracted. I always ask myself if I would be willing to have sex with him if a guy even IMPLIES he wants to date me or flirt. If I am not sure the answer is yes I shut it down! Even FDS (for all i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 08:51 PM
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Couldn’t you say that about everyone on this sub?😆 The fact they’re POSTING their preferences on a DEBATE sub means it’s not exactly private. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 08:41 PM
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“If that intent can be formed...” what does that even mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 08:39 PM
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If you really cares about her you would be willing to wait anyway. Maybe you should find someone you really like.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 07:23 PM
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I think being afraid of being pumped and dumped is more likely. She might not have cared with those other guys or been tipsy. If you wait but when you actually get started she is enthusiastic in bed or after a few times then she’s almost certainly attracted to you. If you get more sex and a relationship with someone you care about you are getting a better deal than the other men. It’s like waiting for a thousand dollars vs immediately getting a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 07:22 PM
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If you’re in a relationship then you’re getting more sex with her in the long run and if you care about her as a person you will feel lucky she stayed with you. Maybe go for women you like better.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 07:12 PM
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And hypocritical and delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 07:08 PM
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Wait all this complaining about waiting a few dates for sex?? Not even many. It doesn’t even have to be many dates if you pack the dates close together.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 07:06 PM
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Inflation exists in stores though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:14 PM
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Waiting doesn’t mean lack of interest! If she doesn’t want him she might not have sex with him at all. She might just be trying to stop the “pump and dump” so she’s hoping you get to know her first and wants to stay with you long term with REGULAR SEX. Most of the time (exceptions for gold diggers who show red flags that aren’t waiting) she is NOT using him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:11 PM
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Agree but I think if ppl want to wait for their comfort it’s their business.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:07 PM
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THIS. ANd quite frankly even if their overhyped over rated exaggerated Chad obsession was true, they should accept not being treated like Chads if they are not Chads. I don’t expect to be called Dr because I didn’t earn a doctorate. If these men are not Chads they should expect to be treated differently from Chads and it’s ok they should accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:04 PM
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Even Roosh V (and he’s not a voice of reason and is red pill) thinks 3 is low N count. What’s this only 2 bs? If she’s an adult 2 is low N count.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 06:00 PM
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I think everyone has a bit of both and even if women are overall more reactive in their sexuality (idk about all women and I think it’s a complex mixture) I think focusing on individuals is more important because it’s harder to validate an individual’s desire if you treat it like a template. I think almost everyone has a bit of both. Sometimes reactive and sometimes spontaneous. For me it’s definitely both but sometimes spontaneous. Emotions and hormones are linked to it. I know different women …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 11:19 AM
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Leaning doesn’t deny their real attraction to women and some bi women lean more sapphic. I think which way a bisexual “leans” is more variable than changing true sexuality. Not sure but am sure you can’t change your real sexuality. A bisexual is a bisexual and a gay is a gay. Lesbians won’t be attracted to men. Bisexuals are still bisexuals. Even if women are a higher proportion of bisexuals. Bisexual men aren’t fully gay if they can be attracted to women and gay men can be like yuck no men only…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 11:37 PM
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💯
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 11:33 PM
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Liking a random guy a lot isn’t much of a thing. If she’s hoping for a relationship then obviously she’s going to expect more. Any guy or woman would obviously. Ok you have a point about sex itself not being as special but wanting to get to know her future boyfriend is legit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 11:01 PM
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I think bisexual is its own sexuality. If you’re gay you can only (sexually) desire your own feelings see. If you’re bisexual you can desire both. If you’re straight you can only desire the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 10:32 PM
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I don’t think everyone should do cosmetic surgery but only people who can afford to have kids should have them so there will be more overlap between those groups. Although if some guys forgo that to save money for their future offspring I respect that even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 09:23 PM
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I have never done drinks but had occasionally had drinks spread over the years so not much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 08:28 PM
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I think everyone can choose what they value but attraction isn’t a choice. Feeling accepted and emotions can come from your mindset though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 08:27 PM
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I think you need to remember that her having sex with you in a relationship was more meaningful sex than a ONS where she might not remember you or see you again and often won’t have sex again. You are getting more sex in a relationship. Some ONS are because of drunk bad choices and she ends up with a regrettable hookup with a guy she’s disgusted to wake up to the next day. She might think he’s bad in bed then not think of him at all. This kind of thing and stories I hear make me grateful I have …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 08:09 PM
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Some men see it as a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 07:52 PM
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Oh ok lol 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 07:48 PM
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No. But I am young and have my whole life ahead of me and could meet a deceitful guy one day. At least honest FWB and ONS is honest but the deceitful guy thing is more like THE GUY GASLIGHTING to act like he cares then dumping after sex. I don’t sympathise with such manipulation. I also worry about future cheaters. I think it’s because although I have never been used for sex I have dealt with other BS. People manipulating me and using me for support with their aims and errands for free or things…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 07:48 PM
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I’m not gaslighting I’m saying what I really think. Having said that if a gold digger is unloving or cares too much about your money without wanting children to provide for that might be where the real gaslighting is. BTW I haven’t pumped and dumped a guy or had a ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 07:35 PM
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I wasn’t asking you anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 07:30 PM
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Or she pumped and dumped some previous guys herself. BTW I have never been pumped and dumped but sympathise with other women who are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 07:29 PM
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Then those men need to stop being delusional. Sex isn’t the highest form of acceptance. There’s no way a one night stand she forgets about is someone she accepts into her life more than a husband she loves and wants to have regular sex with until they’re so old their bodies can’t take it anymore. Second of all please remember they should be grateful to be referred to as husband or boyfriend material because it’s a compliment. Third of all she would probably just want to be friends or nothing and…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 06:55 PM
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Very uninformed response. Everyone has a right to a lawyer so they’re helping people get their rights. What if you ever needed a lawyer because someone tried to scam you? Or falsely accused you of a crime? Or lawyers who teach future lawyers? It’s far more respectable than selling pics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 05:33 PM
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Unless it’s consensual
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 05:33 PM
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Abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 05:20 PM
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Not saying be a pushover but treating a woman right is usually what she wants. Especially if she’s not toxic and has healthy self esteem. He’s confusing other women with his bad ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 05:19 PM
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I know one where one woman was more focused on the other woman who was more focused on her boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:56 PM
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Do you have a reliable source?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:54 PM
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Delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:52 PM
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Well can choose some heterosexual relationships but you can’t choose to eliminate your true sexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:51 PM
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These guys need to realise it doesn’t mean you really liked those other men if they really were just for sex. Any more than many men like their ONS or “sluts”. They need to realise that wanting to get to know someone isn’t the same as not being attracted. If your girlfriend has lots of hot sex with you now she probably is attracted to you!!!!!!!!! Wanting to be patient (and probably not pumped and dumped and this happens more because so many men pump and dump) doesn’t mean lack of attraction it …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 04:23 PM
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I think SAHMs should be well provided for and appreciated. Selling nudes isn’t it. Just like sleazy deceitful guys aren’t it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 02:00 PM
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Not all of capitalism is something to be proud of.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 01:45 PM
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I don’t think it’s anything to be proud of. You should be proud of you actually contribute to society and make the world better. Cashiers and shelf stackers at least work in stores that provide your needs. Cleaners make things hygienic. They are essential workers. Lawyers are higher earning contributors to society. Taking advantage of people isn’t it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 01:33 PM
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Sex isn’t equivalent to wages to live on and not getting injured
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 11:35 AM
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Are men complaining that women are beating them until they’re INJURED. If so cops could get involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 11:35 AM
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Considering an AMBULANCE is called every 2 days about injured Amazon workers can you really sure it’s not killing them???
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 11:33 AM
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Not saying she did but then again she didn’t get all the money
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 11:30 AM
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I don’t think it’s “treating him worse” but maybe he could get fitter or communicate to talk about what she likes or finds sexy and maybe some role playing could help. Sometimes passion can be ignited and it’s not by whining...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 10:56 AM
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I am not a worker there but you should listen to those who are. I read about these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 09:59 PM
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She was involved in Amazon building him up! Why don’t they complain he isn’t paying his exploited workers enough? And making them work in bad conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 09:44 PM
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So you think the virgin should want you after what you did? I don’t think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 09:24 PM
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What if she didn’t enjoy that act and regrets it and only did it once? What if she performs other acts she didn’t do for other men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 09:22 PM
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Guys expect women to have good nails to be pretty and spa mani pedis exist for a reason (unless she’s just trying to please herself) even if he doesn’t understand spas enough to ask for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 05:51 PM
1

What about natural looking dyed hair? Like blonde or black if it’s done well and it’s barely or not noticeable?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 05:49 PM
1

You act like only white men get dates 😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 05:49 PM
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Well should have just said in a high cost of living place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 01:05 PM
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I literally am a woman so I know. Me and my normal friends (80% other women) don’t think like that. I was using it as an extreme example. In most cases it’s reasonable for a woman to decide her own standards and they’re reasonable based on her goals and priorities. They don’t even have to be common if she’s comfortable being single. Bad standards are only what I mentioned above and anything toxic. Other than that whiny guys telling women to lower their standards are probably the problem. If some…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 01:04 PM
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Women literally have higher beauty standards in society. Expected to have perfect smooth skin, DIY or spa mani pedis as well as good hair and makeup. Not to mention being more well groomed and well dressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 12:18 PM
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You know if you do more intense exercise and she only expects some muscles then it’s actually realistic if she doesn’t demand you become the hulk. A few minutes a day if planking and push ups and sit ups and flute exercises isn’t very time consuming and is very effective. It helps keep fit a d toned. And you could go to the gym ok the weekend when you have more time. I know lots of hardworking successful people who are in good shape. It’s more realistic than you think. You should ask them for ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 12:14 PM
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Usually I think women have the right to their standards so saying it’s too high is mostly BS. It’s her choice if she doesn’t need a man or is incredibly attractive so can afford to set the bar high. But there’s exceptions. Like demanding someone make 6 figures is ridiculous unless you live in a very high cost of living place with low value currency. I think expecting a guy to be over 6ft is probably unnecessary. FDS just gets so pushy about shaming and sometimes even deleting “PickMes” that peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 12:07 PM
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In terms of looks yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 12:00 PM
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I know a guy in my school who got adopted. He had a brother who was the biological child in the family who adopted him. One biological one and the other was the guy I know. They were well off and provided well for both. He was happy. Adoptions can help people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 07:06 AM
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First of all I say people who have those resources. I should have said and want to raise children too. You said you don’t. So it literally doesn’t apply to you. If you’re pre occupied with your own don’t. But those who can adopt and provide them with a good life and want to be parents should be more open to it. It reduces over population and helps children and babies in orphanages fund loving homes. It’s a win win if they have the resources and instincts. If you don’t; this doesn’t apply to you.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 07:02 AM
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For me it’s because I learned about the issues but I actually wish it had waited longer so I could learn more. I used to think it wasn’t needed because equality was already there but then I got more aware of certain issues. Gender roles, double standards, sexism in the Republican Party and the pay gap. More recently to me was discovering red pill and less recently was Trump getting elected. Other than milder communities like FDS and Femcels (I still oppose) women are the ones with communities ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 06:51 AM
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Depends on the woman too
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 12:13 AM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 12:13 AM
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My Mum and aunt (who has kids too) are both feminists. This won’t get as much hype as obnoxious vocal fringes but I think more feminists are mothers than Mum shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 12:12 AM
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Sure feminists have fringes but red pillers looking down on step fathers is mainstream to their beliefs and more focused on egotistical obsession with their genes than risks anyway. I wish everyone was more open to adoption if they had the resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 12:11 AM
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I don’t think most feminists believe that. Maybe those are the fringe and trolls. Although there are some toxic fringes. Many feminists ARE married mothers they want jobs and equality too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 12:10 AM
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It can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 12:08 AM
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Thanks. Believe me I faced both especially ridicule
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 12:06 AM
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Risks. Sure. But some red pillers act like they should shame anyone who doesn’t make choices they like as a lesser man or mangina or beta male or whatever immature insult they come up with. That’s the issue. I think feminism does want to help women and society be more equal but it has faults. I am a feminist but I won’t delude myself into thinking it’s a perfect movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 12:05 AM
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Natural confidence doesn’t have to be an act if you can learn to improve yourself as you see fit to feel genuinely better about yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 11:58 PM
1

Believe me I know how it feels. Wasn’t just one time...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 11:57 PM
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I have faced rejection and been called creepy multiple times actually. One guy berated me in front of a group if people for asking him if he wanted to go to Starbucks with me and said it was weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 11:46 PM
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Hopefully doesn’t only want sex if his character is better developed. No self respectinghero would only care about Alex. It’s basically simping to only care about getting some of you idealise getting it so much...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 11:45 PM
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I said some people are happy dating single Mums and obviously you’re not. Unless of course she’s taking care of herself and her own kids. It’s possible. If a rich man is happy to pay for a big house and all the kids college tuition it’s not a problem. Especially if he has no kids of his own. Or his kids like getting new siblings and companions. It makes sense that it doesn’t work for you but could well work for other men. Depends on the individual. But I understand if some things don’t apply to …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 11:43 PM
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If you add in poor hygiene and bad hair for the woman and the man takes care of himself and has style... I don’t know
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 11:24 PM
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I was saying it was possible not saying everyone wa to that. But some ppl can want a partner with social anxiety so it depends.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 09:13 PM
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I get what you’re saying but I don’t think it’s always something wrong with the woman if she wants to take her time. To each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 09:12 PM
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Women are expected to have perfect smooth skins, DIY or salon mani pedis and good has and makeup. Not to mention be better groomed than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 08:48 PM
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Being personable can help her want you but with no physical attraction it really is just settling. I think the question is if she gains enthusiasm over time. If not and she was always meh then she’s just settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 08:47 PM
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I don’t mean a substitute I mean a prerequisite before the dating of she gets interested. I see what you mean about texting. I think I would prefer getting to know someone in person before the date so I don’t have to deal with expectations first then go into the date feeling more familiar and I am not that techy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 08:45 PM
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I don’t think everyone with BPD is a monster but she may need help from a therapist not a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 08:16 PM
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If it was a meet up that wasn’t a date with timelines and expectations people have (cashiers don’t expect much from you) then maybe there would be more comfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 08:14 PM
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And when I said some ppl I think it could mean she’s interested later on after getting to know you better (some ppl take time but become really interested if they have time to be comfortable before expectations) and that’s fine but some ppl include those with social anxiety. People with social anxiety exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 08:13 PM
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The issue is that dates come with expectations not just meeting. Especially with all these ppl having sex on the first date or within a few dates. Wanting to know if she likes you a bit first makes sense. You really think it’s the same as just saying thank you to a cashier. 🤣🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 08:11 PM
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I don’t support them because it’s society’s script telling you what you should be. I don’t want to be a trad wife. I think individuals should have critical thinking and follow their own happiness. Anyone can like cooking, baking, sewing or sports etc. And every adult should know how to cook and do laundry etc. Having no independent skills isn’t ok for a man even if he says he’s looking for a trad wife. I like cooking and baking and problem solving.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 08:09 PM
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Only caring about sex is pretty vapid and isn’t a sympathetic protagonist unless he’s redeemed by a more important priority eg love or goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 08:01 PM
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I call this the rushed society. They want to date immediately without getting to know you. Or they say you don’t really feel something if it’s not immediate. I just don’t play by your timetable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 07:58 PM
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Some men would be happy step fathers but obviously it’s not for everyone. I am so done with either pill having an ideology on it. If you love the woman and her child and being a step father in the family doesn’t cause too much drama then if it makes him happy then why not? His happiness is more important than some immature red pill dating guru trying to sell his anti single Mum advice. But if there’s BS, drama and he’s unhappy with the idea (like you clearly don’t want that) then he shouldn’t go…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 07:57 PM
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I wish that were normalised to get to know people but then one on one meet-ups with someone only after realising you really like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 07:51 PM
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RedPill ideas about frame is BS. Almost every example they give is saying something cringe that or is something like people mock on other platforms and articles or that it’s about standing by principles. But they ask a man to throw away principles to manipulate women for sex. So just try to have natural confidence and enjoy the women you’re with. Or show SUBTLE vulnerability which is ok if you’re overall impressive and it’s SUBTLE.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 07:48 PM
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THIS
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 07:44 PM
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I think here’s some nuance. There’s physical attractiveness and overall attractiveness. Not just for a partner but even confidence and flirting that can get people one night stands. Even the red pill admits confidence matters. Sadly it’s laden with misogynistic BS too but don’t get me started. With overall attraction being personable in an attractive way makes you more attractive. If you have some physical attraction (if you think you’re not hot enough go to the gym and take better care of yours…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 07:43 PM
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Maybe ask them to describe an appropriate way to ask for dates and exactly what you did wrong. Either they’re just being melodramatic or you’re doing something wrong you’re not admitting eg approaching when she’s alone at night or wearing headphones or you’re too pushy and she feels she doesn’t have a way out. Either way you can ask and learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 07:30 PM
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Not really some ppl take longer to get to know ppl and feel comfortable and some ppl change their minds but a lot will know earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 07:27 PM
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Red pill encourages women to be bad at oral sex because they say women who are too good at it practise on many men. What kind of message does that send to women gate reading their content? To get worse. Or maybe she really was too sexually inexperienced at 28 or her previous lovers just didn’t tell her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 11:26 PM
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I think the man is doing something wrong if he chooses to dismiss her and not care about her pleasure even if she talks about what she likes in bed. Like guys bragging they won’t do oral sex on a one night stand but they would for a girlfriend. So they’re literally bragging they don’t care about her pleasure when a one night stand is literally about sexual pleasure. And many guys are dismissive about what their partners want in bed. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think she’s blameless if she doesn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 11:21 PM
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I don’t ask for an expensive date. An affordable picnic that I pay half on is fine if it’s at least romantic. But a Mc Donald’s is a more friend type place than date. Or maybe he can take me to Mc Donald’s and we just be friends. I mean if he’s taking me there he’s in no position to complain about the friend zone place. For any of a better word it has a just friend vibe and isn’t romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 08:18 PM
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Ok but overall being in good shape gives a better chance
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 07:08 PM
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About the headphones, or worse alone at night it’s more that other ppl think it’s ok to hit on women then when it’s not. I meant to write tattoos aren’t attractive to all women. Typo. I have heard other women say they don’t like them. Personal preference. But saying women like tattoos is just as much of a generalisation. Some women like tattoos but many more like a hot guy with or without. Sure he can look hot either way as long as he doesn’t have bad looking or too many but I was mainly trying …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 05:18 PM
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Not trying to say it is I was trying to help. Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I meant mainly don’t pointlessly and harshly insult him for no good reason because it’s mean, does not create sympathy from bystanders and isn’t even to the point. Is probably going to make things worse and some ppl might not feel good about saying it themselves. I wanted to provide more options to others but of course being direct and getting others attention gets safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 05:13 PM
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I don’t think just being firm and direct us rude it’s just good boundaries. Politeness should never mean having no boundaries. Sorry if I created confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 04:09 PM
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I don’t think talking to ppl about a situation is rude. They can do something if a person gets dangerous or you want someone to walk with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 03:57 PM
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I was literally saying talk to staff and others there to get back up that could help you deal with someone predatory
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 03:55 PM
1

I don’t mean just try to placate them. I meant respectfully but firmly stating your boundaries before that happens then telling others especially if you feel unsafe. So other others can protect you. If they build their ways of bullying you are countering by getting ppl to back you up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 03:51 PM
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I was trying to recommend options so women don’t feel like whatever they do is going to go badly and give choices. Sorry if it seemed like I only cared about how men feel. Some women (like me) don’t want to be too harsh and have nicer options but I really do not blame you given how antagonised you can feel. Also talking to staff is good for your safety. Sorry if I came across the wrong way but I do want to help other women. And I actually know lots of guys have bad intentions I just want to give…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 03:47 PM
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First of all condolences it’s horrible and not your fault. What happened to you was awful. But I think being polite and talking to people about it to go with you or keep you safe is an alternative and for anyone reading this. But after realising what happened to you I don’t blame you either way. Him attacking you was horrible and I am so sorry that happened to you. He is horrible for doing that!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 03:30 PM
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Be polite by reasonable standards and don’t feel guilty if they aren’t reasonable. Don’t let them guilt trip you into saying yes. And maybe some bystanders will be more reasonable. You can be polite and still say no. And women bystanders will be more sympathetic. But if you’re horrible women like me will think “did you really have to be so harsh?”. Be polite to appeal to female bystanders. There’s nothing wrong with saying you don’t like one night stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 03:27 PM
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I don’t think it’s as simple because it’s in nuanced and self contradictory. It’s acting like men have to be human wolves. Different species are different and humanity has different cultures, countries and hierarchies. So do organisations. It’s a bad idea to act like we should always believe every word of red pill dogma and de humanise ppl with no critical thinking. Also men saying earning more makes a man a high value man but also looking down on “beta providers” is ironic. If money made someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 02:35 PM
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Saying women should be more selective makes me think men shouldn’t complain if they don’t meet these standards 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 01:30 PM
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Some guys literally don’t do that on a one night stand and expect blowjobs when they’re unhygienic 🤢. They say caring about her pleasure is a girlfriend privilege while expecting orgasms and getting what they want in bed themselves. And they wander why they’re finding it hard to find a sexual partner. 🙄 I think men should appeal better to women if they want women. Better at prioritising her pleasure, better looking and better dates. More charm and better personality. I see tonnes of ugly guys wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 01:11 PM
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Wanting a regular guy and looking hot (ok admittedly older and single Mums in some cases) is nowhere near as ridiculous as a plain looking woman whining she can’t get a CELEBRITY. I can’t believe I have to explain this. You’re closer to the league if those women (who often aren’t whining) than a celebrity. Unless you have some secret talent.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 11:40 AM
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Men get pleasure from one night stands and often want them and complain they want more sex then don’t bother to make sure they at least give pleasure so it’s a 2 way street? Or at least give pleasure to women who do more in bed than lie there. They can communicate what they want in bed too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 11:16 AM
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This post is literally just about if women can even access as many orgasms as men
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 11:14 AM
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Single get more orgasms than women I read in a study of singles. So if anything men get more quality sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 11:13 AM
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They’re not asking for celebrities and the women are just making profiles and this sub mocks them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 11:07 AM
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The middle ground would be polite rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 10:53 AM
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I mean at a bar it’s a more acceptable place to approach though as long as you’re not pushy or approaching horribly like saying obscene things to her or something. And if she’s walking alone at night it’s the worst situation to hit on her and could scare her please don’t. It’s even worse than talking to her with headphones in because that’s just annoying . If you’re so desirable she would want you to interrupt her music and be annoying women would hit on you. Most likely if she has her headphone…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 10:47 AM
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But you’re so right that women are more affectionate with friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 09:37 AM
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I think women can want sex just as much as men when you g and healthy seeing how many teen girls and young women act. But menopause and pregnancy and hormone issues and bad ageing can reduce it. Not to mention society’s judgements and off putting men. And I think some women downplay what they want to not seem slutty. And safety. Women might want that one night stand but worry a man might be a dangerous stranger. Women face more risks than men of pregnancy, STIs and violence. I also heard that on…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 09:36 AM
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Do you know he is a step Dad? Even if he is some are happy because they like the kid. I get that some aren’t happy to but to each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 05:00 PM
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I think there’s more issues like generally sexist attitudes but you’re so right they obsess about doing whatever it takes to get more sex even manipulative behaviour then they condemn women for having lots of sex. They also hate on women for wanting hot guys when they want hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 04:55 PM
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TRP encourages men to pump and dump though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 04:44 PM
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I remember cringe ppl saying they think not getting sex after a date is the worst feeling ever. Like have they never had to deal with something more upsetting? I think red pill is a scam. Pay us to tell you the secret truth about women on our blogs and PUA courses and sponsored/view paid videos. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 04:40 PM
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I don’t think it is good normally becomes sex should not be transactional (it should be for live and pleasure*) and it creates dubious areas. It teaches women to offer their bodies for sex and get paid for that instead of getting a real job. Essential workers, farmers, lawyers, judges, power plant workers, call centre workers, factory workers and office workers etc are what society needs. Many should hire more ppl and ppl are over burdened. Contributing to society more than a few orgasms a man c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 04:34 PM
1

Her not having lingering feelings and being into you yet is a big if
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 12:44 PM
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Sometimes women want space because they’re hurt by their breakup.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 12:42 PM
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I don’t think either is morally right. Children should have at least 2 parents unless there’s death or divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 12:40 PM
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It was simply contradictory to the narrative that it’s always just a woman’s personal choice not supposed to demean the guys. If they prefer hotties (they bragged about sex with hotties they did approach in front of me) it’s their business.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 10:28 PM
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I don’t think I am entitled or blame the men though! And I have had guys reject me and say they find me unattractive or act repulsed by me to the point hitting on them could make them think I am creepy. I am talking about guys who obviously don’t want me and don’t recommend men approaching obviously repulsed women. Like these guys were open about not even wanting to hug me and acted uncomfortable if I was close even by accident and I stepped back and apologised. I was only trying to make a point…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 10:26 PM
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Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 08:16 PM
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Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 07:41 PM
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I never said I wanted to punish men for insecurities! Unlike some ppl I don’t mock virgin men and if they have a better attitude than incels I might like them. Incels are horrible for their disgusting intentions (and sometimes actions) to mistreat women not just for being virgins. You have no idea how supportive I have been to ex male friends about their insecurities. And current male friend. And cousin. Guys sometimes tell me about their problems and I am supportive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 07:15 PM
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Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 04:57 PM
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I have spoken to many guys plus it wasn’t even about wanting sex desperately it was feeling unattractive and being mocked that was the worst part. I felt humiliated and insecure. I don’t think any guy has ever bought me food hoping for sex. As a grown woman the only man to ever buy me food was my Dad. I think I wasn’t socialising enough sometimes but I wasn’t pretty and I was mocked. And it’s not like I was hit on left right and centre and just rejected tonnes of guys. Almost every guy I wanted …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 04:48 PM
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Ghosting is bad either way I just hope more guys had basic human decency
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 04:02 PM
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I am actually saying he was doing this because he found a woman wanting the same thing. I heard about his PUA manipulation and I am under no illusion that if he didn’t have women on the same page he would manipulate to get what he wants in a second. He’s a dubious guy. I wouldn’t have him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 04:02 PM
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By red pill and incels and religious men and some others? Sure. But some other men openly admit they would reject virgins and don’t want virgin women. Ppl of both genders sometimes mock virgin women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 03:56 PM
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Some women are rejected too. It’s not always just her personal choice. I remember being younger and plain looking hearing about the pretty girls getting seduced every weekend while guys didn’t want me and were so distant with me. They would treat me as a female cross between a creepy guy and a guy in the friend zone. I literally got friend zoned more times than I could remember. Sometimes it would be months or years between guys hitting on me and many ppl would mock me saying I could never find …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 03:55 PM
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I stand by what I said because it matches articles I read and experiences in my life and with conversations with other ppl and saying some women really do make mistakes so it’s not completely dismissing them. There is a real problem with entitled guys and guys who are genuinely kind and successful with dating won’t boast as much because boasting is for arrogant bad men. Some will even exaggerate their success. But saying some women do choose bad men doesn’t even entirely dismiss them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 03:45 PM
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I think some are especially in cultures like France but I agree it’s not to the same extent
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 01:53 PM
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Oh yeah Larper is legit
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 01:50 PM
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I think it’s exaggerated by ugly men who aren’t even that nice saying that because they’re bitter women don’t want them. Kind men who get dates are often less vocal than this obnoxious group. But some women make mistakes I won’t deny.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 01:48 PM
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I think virgin women are more shamed than you realise especially if older or by certain groups: popular high school kids or obnoxious co workers or college ppl.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 01:46 PM
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Either way they shouldn’t have treated you like you were defective. You’re just a human being with some insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 01:44 PM
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I think virgins can be shamed by popular kids at school or in university clubbing scenes or for being too old later in life. 25 and especially 30. Virgin women aren’t idealised outside red pill. Some men refuse them and apparently it’s normal to want someone with a low but not 0 N count for social proof but not too much sleeping around to feel special according to articles I read.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 01:43 PM
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I just think using virgin as an insult is the wrong kind of insult. Use something else. Virgins deserve better.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 01:39 PM
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Unless he’s just overpaid or has a passive income or works similar hours or doesn’t do a valuable job I agree she should do more to help. Either chores or childcare or help him with his work or bureaucracy. Mum is a lawyer who helped Dad (another lawyer) at work. And with taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 01:32 PM
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It’s just ignorance regardless of virginity
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 01:26 PM
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That’s basically using virgin as an insult. Being a virgin isn’t something to be ashamed of. As for calling you a cuck he’s just immature and factually wrong if you make use of paternity tests. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 01:08 PM
1

I think I wouldn’t mind if he was straight or bi
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 10:25 AM
1

I wouldn’t mind dating a bisexual man
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 10:21 AM
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No one should be shamed for their right to reject someone and it doesn’t mean they have a “delusional self image”. It could mean they don’t only value looks or have a boyfriend or think you’re taking things too fast. Or she could be WGTOW. You also don’t mention women having higher beauty standards. Mistreating her for her right to reject you (she’s not someone you “deserve” lol) is BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 10:10 AM
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If women weren’t used for sex because of this it would be great
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 09:53 AM
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Some men claim it’s their reason so I suggested this
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 09:47 AM
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Paternity testing exists
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 09:29 AM
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If she started at 18 and didn’t get married she’s perfectly capable of 10 long term relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 09:25 AM
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Just saying paternity tests exist
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 09:24 AM
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I think using cuck or virgin as insults are both immature and paternity tests exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 09:23 AM
1

They could get a paternity test in the modern world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 09:20 AM
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Kudus for ending on good terms and looking out for her and appreciating her for being nice. I think men can say they just want sex and in this society if he’s hot he has better chances than you believe. If he’s hot his failure isn’t anywhere near certain. I think if someone cares about being a decent person they shouldn’t want to be manipulative. Or if they find someone who just wants casual sex too. If a guy’s hot enough and honestly asks enough women I think his success is almost certain becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 06:23 AM
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Actually lots of women only want sex too (they’re in a different phase to those seeking commitment) so sometimes a man being upfront gets him a woman who just wants casual sex. I think it’s good to learn from mistakes but the “protection from someone’s own naivety” is the kind of argument you make when not bothering to tell someone about someone else. When a man chooses to manipulate women he is entirely to blame. I often talk to this woman I know about choosing better men saying there’s so many…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 10:54 PM
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Grateful for the men and women who cared about me. There’s many guys who don’t just want to use me for sex. I am thankful. But concerned about fellow women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 10:48 PM
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I have never been used for sex and think I am lucky for that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 10:42 PM
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I never rush straight to the bedroom but actually sometimes men do have confusing intentions. I might leave if I am not confident they’re good but it can be confusing. Although yeah if they want a date I know they almost certainly want sex. The fact I am not being used for sex because I say no to guys who might use me makes me think I am making the right pattern of choices! Not all men pay for dates (I don’t ask men to pay) but I don’t think we should just “accept the state of being” while not h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 10:42 PM
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Manipulation is just wrong and unless it’s an urgent situation to get intel for a good cause it’s not justified. So just wanting sex isn’t it. Choosing to manipulate and mistreat another human being is the fault of the manipulator. Even as someone who deals with a lot of manipulative behaviour and is on guard. For me I am sceptical and reject any man who doesn’t try harder to get to know me. But I still have compassion for other women who make mistakes. Being misguided doesn’t make them only goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 07:27 PM
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I think society is spewing with bad ppl of both genders. Men and women need to do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 03:10 PM
1

You know I don’t see the danger in honesty in dating. I think any grown adult woman should be honest if she is ace or something and going on dates with no intention of sex. I always say if sex is ruled out the ace should be honest. Ace ppl have no sexual attraction. But it applies to anyone ruling out sex on dates. But if she/he isn’t sure it’s a date I don’t think men owe women sex. I have had hot guys I know not want sex with me. I don’t feel entitled. The only issue is if she doesn’t realise …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 03:08 PM
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Usually I believe if it happens all the time it’s a pattern but it could be that she’s in an area where more guys are into casual sex and some areas are more romantic. I think some ppl can be very unlucky but I believe that most of the time it’s a pattern and she could have made a mistake. There’s a more than 1 in 3 chance a woman will get cheated on 3 times if she has 3 relationships because 70% of ppl cheat. You may want to think that it’s a pattern but if it happens to 1 in 3 ppl I will take …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 02:53 PM
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It could be she has bad luck or is in situations where she’s more likely to meet those men but even I agree that some women don’t have much to offer and attract those kinds of men. I think if a man just rushes straight to the bedroom to pump and dump she doesn’t have a chance to show other qualities so it’s not her fault if she doesn’t have a chance. And even if it is her fault for not expressing herself (it can only be her fault if she’s given a chance...the same way hardly anyone ever gets hir…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 02:05 PM
2

You could probably get further if you were a decent human being in good shape but (not saying it’s ideal) you could hire a hooker
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 01:32 PM
2

Take some accountability for crying out loud. Feeling entitled to manipulate and manipulating ppl is ENTIRELY your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 01:30 PM
2

First of all it’s not true second of all it’s saying men should feel so entitled to one night stands they should manipulate to get them. Let’s face it, red pill teaches men to mostly go for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 01:29 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 12:58 PM
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The friend zone itself exists for women. There are some guys I wanted to date but just wanted to be friends and dated hotties.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 12:57 PM
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I never said it was symmetrical just that sex is more personal than a free dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 12:53 PM
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