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Question For MenCedo_Alteram/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 05:48 PM
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Hey, at least vanilla is a simple, conventional label. My ideal arrangement is dom (m) vs dom (f), which best I can tell isn't really a category.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 03:39 AM
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Riddle me this; could you envision a world where 95% of men are considered desirable winners?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 03:00 PM
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Birth rates in the first world are unsustainable. I'm not suggesting that we need women to just drop their standards. That's a Trump-level oversimplified solution that won't work for more than a few years. What we need is for Gen Z or their successors to redefine dating culture and possibly launch another sexual revolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 12:05 AM
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To clarify, I'm in a long term relationship so I'm not personally making excuses, HOWEVER: "Git gud" is useless advice outside of Dark Souls. Offering "Git gud" as a solution ignores the systemic problem that's getting progressively worse and leading towards a global demographic crisis. You could say the same thing about careers, because careers have similar systemic problems of stagnant wages, oppressive barriers of entry, and atrocious work/life balance across major swathes of the economy. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 10:10 PM
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OP is quite literally saying to put in more effort than 19/20 men to get results, but the problem with that is it can only possibly work for 1/20 men. If every man put in more effort tomorrow, nothing would change because the same supply/demand ratio would persist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 09:54 PM
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and start putting out 95th percentile effort A system where only 5% can succeed is a very flawed system.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 04:16 PM
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I think it depends on just how far into left/right cultures they are, moreso than their beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 07:37 PM
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The thing people struggle with accepting is that for some people, the Prius is plan A; not everybody actually wants a Porsche and many that do just want the status of an expensive car and not the driving experience. So, women tell men that they're safe options because that's what those women want as plan A, and men can't wrap their head around that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 02:40 PM
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But for things you need, you're probably not that attached... I'm much more fickle about things that I like, frankly. And to use your example, my "friends" proved to not be real friends, but one of my coworkers from 2014 went on to become my manager in 2019 and has actively helped me to advance my career since.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 09:39 PM
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Which do you value more; things you want, or things you need? Is it really so outlandish for men to wish they were valuable?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 04:52 PM
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This is basically a question of whether women would rather date Batman or Superman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 07:21 AM
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Armchair law is way easier than armchair science. /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 08:28 PM
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Holy shit, did you read anything I wrote? The only people that have the potential to be violent is people like you... Wrong. I'm in a happy LTR. The people getting violent are the Reddit incels like the one that shot up Plymouth last week.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:33 PM
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That's not sustainable
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 06:23 AM
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isn't tearing people down supposed to be wrong, worse yet you're tearing him down for being sexually liberated? No, in tearing him down for having underserved clout. Tearing people down is how you reduce clout, it's only wrong when done to people that don't have it. I don't see any correlation in how fucking women means you hate them. But the problem is young men who aren't fucking women, and potentially growing violent as a result. Stop worrying about Chad and do YOU. We agree that that's what …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 06:00 AM
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People should worry about themselves and live life their own way, but the problem is that they AREN'T. Instead, an entire generation of young men are developing a festering hatred of women, and it's all because they idolize Chad. The only solution is to destroy and degrade their idols until either they pick good ones or they grow up and go their own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:48 PM
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The problem isn't really Chad though, the problem is the whole movement to idolize Chad and pretend he's the ideal male experience. No. Wrong. Bad. The ideal male experience is to successfully build a family, build a business empire, combine the two into a dynasty, and then maybe get into politics because you've got free time after bench pressing the American dream. Many go into philanthropy so people will name libraries and schools and parks after you or something. Winning in society isn't fore…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:21 PM
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It all depends on your age. Sleeping around at 30? Cool. Sleeping around at 50? Different ballgame.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:27 PM
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There's a big difference between looking down at someone for sleeping around and looking down at someone for refusing to grow up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:20 PM
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Because Chad won't be in his 20's forever? Unless Chad is a billionaire, eventually people look down on the playboy lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:39 PM
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The best example I can give would be Timothy Drake: Excellent physical shape, and capable of defending her if needed. Excellent analytical ability and general intelligence. Empathy, integrity, and a strong moral code. Had strong father figures in his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:37 PM
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We really shouldn't put Sandberg on a pedestal considering that she's the Goebbels of the internet age.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 03:39 AM
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I think part of trusting your partner is trusting them with access to your stuff. My GF know each other's passwords for the sake of convenience. Neither of us feel like we have anything to hide from each other. Neither of us go snooping on each other's phones, even though we easily could.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 11:36 PM
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That's ok as long as you don't lie about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 02:58 PM
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I'd argue that it's an ethical violation, in the same way other imbalanced relationships are an ethical violation. It's possible that it's wholesome and consensual and not a problem, but there's a much greater risk of predatory behavior than a normal relationship and every abuser and abusee will claim to be in one of the rare exception relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 04:55 AM
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It's crazy to actually think prey seeks out predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 07:27 PM
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Chazz Michael Michaels for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 09:30 PM
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Usually it results in strangers keeping to themselves, or at least taking a less aggressive approach. I've lived in a huge city since I was 5, and I can walk through the bad parts alone at night with little to worry about because I look like I can be trouble if antagonized. Strangers will ask me if I'm either buying or selling drugs, but when I say no they just disengage and I keep walking. Conversely, panhandlers drop it and move on once I tell them no, but I've observed them badger female cowo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:54 PM
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In recreational settings, perhaps, but in a professional setting I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 09:32 PM
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Number 2 is a huge point. Looking like you can beat the shit out of anyone who provokes you has a profound effect on social interactions with strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 09:24 PM
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Yes, but compare the median man vs the median woman. Which do you think generally receives more respect from peers? I'd venture the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 09:22 PM
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But the whole point is that as long as you be whomever you want to be, FDS simply won't want anything to do with you and you don't have to worry about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 01:45 PM
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Taken directly from the TRP sidebar under "Introduction": ​ As an introduction to the topic, I want to outline what our focus is here at /r/theredpill. Mastering Game Game is an important portion of a sexual strategy. A lot of you probably came here from /r/seduction and are probably wondering why we'd need a new subreddit if one dedicated to game already exists. The reason is simple: Game is a facet of The Red Pill's sexual strategy. Determining good game is impossible to do so without first un…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 08:35 PM
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It's not manipulation vs self-interest, it's offense vs defense. The defensive version of TRP is supposed to be MGTOW. FDS doesn't need a WGTOW because it already takes a defensive approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 08:21 PM
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If TRPers claim to run game on women IRL or at least intend to, I'm not going to assume they're lying. Why would I?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 08:19 PM
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Or to offer a more succinct answer, I don't give a fuck about the shit they talk on the internet, I judge them each for the behavior they prescribe IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 07:25 PM
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TRP takes a more dishonest predatory approach to dating than FDS. TRP encourages users to outright lie and manipulate women, while FDS mostly just advises users to hold out infinitely until they snare the kind of guy they have in mind. If you're a man, just don't be the kind of man that FDS wants and you don't have to worry at all because they'll filter you right out and vice versa. If you're a woman though, you do have to be worried that a given man is TRP and/or a pathological liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 07:19 PM
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They are natural counterparts because both of them have an adverserial view of the opposite gender and don't seem to take a collaborative approach. TRP seems to be a bigger offender in terms of explicitly operating in bad faith, but both are undesirable. I wouldn't want to date a FDS woman or (if I were a woman) a TRP man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 03:24 PM
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Some men are willing to fuck anything that breathes, others won't even entertain screwing without specific classic features.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 02:40 PM
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I half agree, in the sense that women are not naturally inclined to be submissive homemakers. But, men are naturally intended to be warriors. I'd say that a more natural role for women is to be administrators to complement the men. Afterall, Sparta had fierce warriors but poor admin led to its decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 03:57 PM
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How much of this do you think could be compensated for by OLD letting you use high quality GIFs instead of static pictures?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 07:43 PM
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My early 20's were not great either, but if you had parents that funded your lifestyle then it could have been a time of a lot of partying and little responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:07 PM
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Conversely, I would argue that it's not that the wife actually wants the husband to be a drunk party animal, but rather that she wants to go back to her early 20's when such things were commonplacr. The husband isn't making any headway because he keeps working on himself without realizing that it's not about him. I don't think any of your three points are off the mark in general, but this seems like a really clear cut case of someone who is resentful that they grew up and became a responsible ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 06:07 AM
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But she isn't. No one is. Social media is all a sham. The whole problem with it is people see things on it and act like it's real but none of it actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/21 09:46 PM
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I think the major takeaway from that episode is the toxic emphasis people place on social media. Note how after her makeover, Lisa is present IRL and people are still ignoring her for her online photo. It ties in with later episodes where quitting social media is seen as some sort of death.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/21 09:33 PM
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But the Miata is a sports car. It doesn't have a lot of power but it does have amazing handling and a manual transmission, which is really all you need unless you live in some sort of suburban hell where all the roads are perfectly uniformly straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/21 02:38 AM
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Then either make yourself better or make yourself worse. Either way, improve towards a balance.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 10:39 PM
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A tool is not just a tool when you form an emotional connection to it, as many people do with their vehicles. You don't have be super wealthy. Just be a mostly good guy with a bit of a mischievous streak. To continue the analogy, a Miata is nowhere near as fun as a Lambo, but it doesn't have to be. It just has to be more fun than a Camry. It's a compromise. Be a compromise. Be a better person than the bad boy but don't be a total square. The main issue some women have is that they bounce from on…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:18 PM
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Yes, tendencies which make them untrustworthy for a permanent relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 12:35 AM
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Change your flair. I'm not red, I don't accept the tenet that women can't be trusted. I think TRP often lacks self awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 12:27 AM
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You must not be a car enthusiast. A tool is not just a tool when your connection to it makes it magical to use. And no, my point is NOT have fun with a bad boy and then settle for a boring good man. The whole point of the analogy of the Miata is that fine and reliable are not exclusive; you can have both.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 12:26 AM
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And men don't? Everyone is self-serving.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 10:03 PM
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I'm not saying they shouldn't be, but as you just said "on top of sex" which implies there must be a foundation of basic sexual compatibility. This important distinction immediately cuts the available dating pool for most people to less than half of all people within the relevant age/geographic range. Therefore; supply and demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 10:01 PM
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But, it's not though. My GF has many great qualities. I'm just saying that only one of her qualities is exclusive to women. Everything else could in theory be provided by a male lover. Some of those things that make her great could even be provided by close friends that I'm not having sex with. Her greatest strength is she takes nearly everything I could want from other people (support, emotional intimacy, sex, companionship, etc.), and provides it all together as a combined package. Not only do…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 09:46 PM
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It's no different than a LTR male partner doing the same thing. My point is that women negotiate with their vaginas because they know most men won't settle for another man making them breakfast in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 09:36 PM
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I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that pussy is a woman's only value, I'm saying it's the only EXCLUSIVE value. For instance, it's valuable to have a partner that's supportive and caring and brings you lasagna when you're stuck at work. Guess what though? There's no reason a same-sex partner can't do that either, but a majority of people either aren't interested in a same-sex partner or won't admit it. What does that leave? Genitals!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 09:24 PM
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I'm I'm a functional relationship with a woman right now. I've never had a functional relationship with another man, because there's precisely one thing they can never provide that I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 09:18 PM
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How often do you go chasing 50+ year old women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 09:16 PM
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Okay, you tell me; what can a female partner bring to the table that a male partner simply can't? My take applies both ways; the only thing men can exclusively offer women is male genitals; everything else can be provided by other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 09:14 PM
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But your claim isn't "why are women surprised when they get pumped and dumped?", It's "why do women allow pumping and dumping to happen at all instead holding out potentially forever to make it impossible?"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 09:10 PM
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Yeah, but one of these is more calculated and malicious, and requires more action to put in motion, while the other is mostly opportunistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 09:05 PM
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Sure, but if a vagina wasn't a mandatory requirement for most men, then most men would be bi/pan. There are no personality traits that are exclusive to women. Feminine men and masculine women exist, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 09:04 PM
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Heterosexuality (male) is defined by an inability to be satisfied without vagina. Otherwise, it would be a different, less popular orientation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:51 PM
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Everyone negotiates. Everyone leverages whatever they have that's in demand. Why is that surprising? Human social tendencies are economic in nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:45 PM
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Hiring illegal workers that are already here is not the same as importing them from overseas, but that's getting off topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:43 PM
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They aren't, but the question above is essentially "why do women ever settle?" The answer is because waiting infinitely has consequences, so they must negotiate with the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:38 PM
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Bigger employers do, absolutely. Small, local businesses generally don't have that luxury.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:35 PM
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Even so, if a business can't hire workers because it won't pay fairly, it shuts down. Employers can't hold out forever either, especially smaller employers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:32 PM
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Women are individuals seeking a beneficial, even synergistic exchange with another party, in a scenario where they don't have infinite time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:30 PM
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Same with a job that provides enough income for anything other than basic needs, what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:27 PM
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You have a finite amount of time you can get by without income before there are severe consequences. Likewise, you have a finite amount of time on the dating market before your value declines with your age and your available pool of potential partners shrinks with it. In both cases, time is not on the side of the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:23 PM
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Case by case, same for employment. It all just comes down to supply and demand of whatever specific you're offering.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:20 PM
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"Workers don't actually care that much about being "exploited." If they did, they would withold labor until receiving whatever degree of compensation they want to be tied to labor." Men, women, and workers all have to play ball or the market will simply leave them behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:18 PM
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Ok, but consider how many people trade in expensive sports cars because they're more hassle than they're worth, and swap to something more practical. Don't be a Lambo or a Camry. The answer is always Miata. Be fun and look fun, but get great gas mileage and low insurance rates and never break down.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 07:34 PM
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I have a client that has a magnet on their fridge that says "Well-behaved women rarely make history." The same is true of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 07:08 PM
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It doesn't matter how far you lean in any direction, unless you tow a party line, always just say your views are complicated and expand upon individual views as needed. When you claim you're moderately conservative, 99% of people immediately take that to mean "diehard Republican". I used to lean quite right, and it never hindered me because I never linked it to a party affiliation (and I never personally identified as Republican so it was honest). If you are decidedly partisan, either R or D, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 05:07 PM
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they tend to oversimplify "career women" and believe they only care about wealth and conquering the world I'm looking for someone to get rich and conquer the world with, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 04:37 AM
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Attractiveness is absolutely not constant, it's something that can change and build over time in a long term relationship. In fact, I'd say it's something that's more likely to automatically correct than personality flaws or a lack of chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:18 PM
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First, women "bloom" differently since women are expected to filter men out. A female late bloomer is someone who wasn't attractive/desirable until adulthood. For men though, the expectation is that they approach and pursue women, and they're expected to develop the interpersonal skills to facilitate that in their teen years. That's what women are actually judging you harshly on; it's not just that you're sexually inexperienced, it's that you didn't develop the social abilities to gain experienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 04:29 PM
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Plenty of women don't do what? Judge you for being a late bloomer? Everybody judges you for being a late bloomer. Modern western culture isn't known for patience.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:42 PM
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Oh, you're referring to the experience paradox, but you've structured your argument poorly. You're supposed to build experience early on, typically in highschool. It's perfectly valid, even idealized for you to go the distance and marry a highschool sweetheart. So even in that context you're not expected to fuck someone you're disinterested in, you're still expected to be trying to build a lasting relationship from the beginning. Once you reach adulthood, it's not so much that you're penalized f…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:33 PM
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Yes, and either you've explained something poorly, you're very mistaken, or you're not from the USA or a similar Western culture. To regurgitate your position using baseball as a metaphor, you're saying that batters are expected to swing at every pitch, even the ones they can't hit. This isn't true. Nobody encourages you to swing and miss, the pressure is for you to hit a home run every time. Social expectations don't care about your batting average or how good the pitcher is; they care about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 02:48 PM
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Yes, I'm looking at USA/EU. Last I checked, India doesn't have the same crippling demographic crisis.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 05:53 AM
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Only if you make it expensive
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 05:03 AM
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Ammunition is an ongoing cost, and you either need to pay for a range, or a hunting permit. Either route includes additional costs, and 22lr is lame. Woodworking either requires expensive tools, or involves tremendous work, and will be heavily restricted by the quality of wood you purchase or scavenge. Both of these are more likely to incur ongoing costs than gaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 02:21 AM
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Instinctually, yes. Culturally, no. We're not hunter-gatherers anymore, we're capitists.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 12:23 AM
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I would take a guy who took me on that date really seriously. Exactly! Why not split them? So that the second date can be something even better and less generic than dinner/movie. Moreover, I try to ready be propose the second date within a day or 2 of the first one. A favorite one (note: I probably wouldn't date anyone that hates animals) was a day trip to Dallas World Aquarium, which is both an aquarium and indoor rainforest in downtown Dallas, and is super cool. With my current GF, she propos…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 11:49 PM
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I usually (used to) propose a first date early on, set a few days out, and would text frequently leading up to it. My typical favorite first date would be dinner somewhere nice and somewhat special (read: not chain), followed by tickets to a nearby upscale indie theatre. For about $30, they had a pair of 21+ only lounge auditoriums where you could get a single leather couch instead of individual seats, so that was a nice touch. If there's any alcohol involved, totally expense hits $100+. Was it …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 11:30 PM
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That's exactly what I'm doing at the moment, but you need to find that special someone first, and it's very difficult to date both cheaply and effectively before you find the right person. If you spend $100 per date, give everyone 2 dates to reach a conclusion, and date 10 women before settling on a long term girlfriend, then you've spent $2000, or 5 PS5's. Flipping that around, your yearly costs for gaming can easily be less that 2 dates. Sure, you can date cheaper, but first impressions are im…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 10:55 PM
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No, I said gaming is about the only thing that isn't expensive. An XB1 or PS4 can be picked up for $200-$300 and lasts for years. It can be used with any old TV or monitor. Games can be acquired extremely cheap or even free. Electricity and internet are a given for most dwellings anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 10:41 PM
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No, they can't afford to do anything other than gaming in their spare time. They can't date or pursue other hobbies. An Xbox and a basic screen is cheap and many games are simply free. A rifle is expensive. A car other than a basic economy model is expensive. A boat is expensive. A ski trip is expensive. A night at a bar or club or casino is expensive. Concerts for anyone famous are expensive. A day at Six Flags is expensive. Traveling is expensive. I could go on. Most classically masculine purs…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 10:29 PM
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You're missing the general factor of a poor economy with increasing wage disparity. Several of your above factors, including living with parents and reduced alcohol and videogames all come back to so many young adults just not having spare cash. Alcohol is expensive, rent is expensive, hobbies other than videogames are expensive, and dating is expensive. Some of this comes from rising costs, some comes from student debt issues, and some comes with wage stagnation, and the only solution is to ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 09:41 PM
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What's disgusting about OnlyFans is how it has rapidly normalized sex work. What's disgusting about sex work (not the workers) is that it enables degeneracy in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 09:18 PM
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Definitely scenario 2. There's nothing that will get me to pursue a chaste romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 08:53 PM
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Are we assuming we're omnilingual? If so, probably Japan. If not, I'm going to be restricted to commonwealth countries so probably UK or Australia?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 12:36 AM
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But we're in agreement; nobody is pressuring you to have sex with women you aren't interested in having a relationship with, contrary to OP's claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 11:48 PM
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Men are supposed to be in a relationship or trying to find a relationship. They aren't expected to be having sex with women they aren't interested in, they're expected to get hitched and produce the next generation of taxpayers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 04:12 PM
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And you provide the F/M ratio from OKC while the data we speak about comes from Tinder. I made that mistake too and the original commenter corrected me; although they mentioned Tinder which is why I made that assumption, the data is still from OKC. All of this to prove "the threshold we see here is not a threshold". You're standing in front of a power point presentation with two bars: "messages which 92% men get: 10%" and " messages which 8% top men get: 90%". And you're screaming that the bars …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 09:37 PM
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I do. Do you? Knowing that there's supposedly a 60:40 M:F ratio according to OKC, are the 10/10 men passing this supposed looks threshold? No! If they were, 10/10 men would have 2/3 the message intake of 10/10 women, OR MORE because the supply of "acceptable men" is clearly less than the supply of "acceptable women".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:58 PM
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Outlying isn't a threshold. The actual conclusion is that unless you're exceptional it's an uphill battle for all men regardless of their looks; being 8/10 isn't a benefit. I would accept your conclusion if the top 10% of men were closer to the top 10% of women but they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:54 PM
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In both cases, 9+/10 are severe outliers. They aren't relevant to the rest of the set. Apply a curve to everyone outside the uppermost echelon and you get a very different set.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:33 PM
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OnLine Dating
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 05:59 PM
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This is possible, because I don't get to see the male side. However, if someone that's 5-6/10 can go on OKC and be top 10%, then that suggests about half of all men have no real issues in dating other than determining what they want and filtering for it accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 05:18 PM
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I'm hesitant to call it a success story since I'm fairly sure she cheated on me and poisoned my own circle of friends against me at the end, but I would recommend R4R as long as you're actually willing to drive out and meet a stranger in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 05:00 PM
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That depends on your batting average doesn't it? It also depends on if your intent is to stop being single or not. 1/week is plenty if you're busy with work/school. And the fact that apex men are well behind low-average women goes to show that not, not all women are chasing top tier men the way most men are chasing top tier women. Otherwise, top tier men would have a much smaller gap with top tier women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 04:13 PM
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Which still counters the hypothesis that women are more biased to top men than men are to top women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:58 PM
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That actually confused me too, but the commenter clarified that the chart is OKC. Close to 0 is not 0. There's a huge range between 1 and 0. A better measurement for this data would be average time between messages.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:55 PM
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Oh, I missed that since Tinder was also mentioned. Same observation though, 10/10 men are at the same level as 3/10 women. Explain that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:51 PM
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That's not a percent, it's messages/week. That means if you get one message every other week, you score 0.5 on the chart. The Y axis is poorly implemented. Also, my personal experience doesn't align. There is no way in hell I'm 9+/10 and my last time single I averaged 1 first date out of OKC every 5 days (3 women across 15 days, still dating the third).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:45 PM
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But men won't settle, and eventually get a lucky break or go incel/MGTOW. Which sounds better?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:06 PM
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Look again; you'll notice that 10/10 men are roughly equal to 3/10 women. The real conclusion here is that men severely outnumber women on Tinder. But if you look at the curvature, the point still stands; 2/10 and 8/10 men are much more even than 2/10 and 8/10 women, and if we inflated the female population then the curve would rise evenly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:02 PM
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Are we looking at the same data? That chart shows that women are messaging 2/10 through 8/10 men almost evenly, while men message women proportionately with their score. 9+/10 are severe outliers for both genders, but if you disregard them then you get the same conclusion from OKC that women message evenly while men message the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 02:50 PM
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The data above shows the opposite effect though, and the original post from OKC went into it in more detail. Women were more likely to message and date men at about the same level as them while nearly all men chased after the top third of women. Women were happy to settle. Men were not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 02:29 PM
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We broke up because she graduated college and moved back to her hometown, which was 9 hours away. We tried long distance for about a year before it fell apart, so it wasn't the type of break-up you might be imagining.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 01:51 PM
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I agree with reflecting enough to have your standards/boundaries/reasons set, but once you do OLD isn't so bad as long as you understand which OLD markets are suitable for what you're looking for (e.g. probably not Tinder).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 01:47 PM
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Tinder is trash. 9/10 women are either bots, wannabe influencers, or just trying to drum up business on OnlyFans. I found good luck on OKCupid and r/R4R. If I were going back in I'd also try Hinge. Know what you want. If you don't, figure it out before dabbling in online dating. When you get a match, ask a lot of open ended questions and pay attention to the answers. Your first priority is to learn enough about the other person to plan a good first date and invite him/her to it. Once you've sche…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 01:43 PM
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I asked her shortly after we started dating about what kind of response she got on r/R4R, and she said she got about 50 replies. About 10 were maybe serious, but I'm the one who proposed a first date and made it happen so I won. Additionally, we did have sex on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 06:03 AM
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My previous relationship ended on 08/05/2017, and my current one began on 08/20/2017. In that time I went on a total of 5 dates with 3 women, all met through OLD, before deciding to commit to #3, whom I'm still with. I met my ex through r/R4R, and was with her for almost 3 years before that. So, I'd say Group A is easy to find if you make it a priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 05:54 AM
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As someone in group A, I just screen people to be sure they're also in group A before I ask them on a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 05:11 AM
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Some people just can't fathom not minmaxing their relationship. I think people are a terrible asset to minmax, so I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 12:56 AM
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But they should, considering how many classically male professions benefit from being able to efficiently analyze someone's personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 04:23 PM
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I think sharing your woman definitely bad, but I also think sharing your man is definitely bad, with a big exception for couples that swing together.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 11:23 PM
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I call bullshit, because almost nobody is actually involuntarily celibate. Other than certain debilitating medical issues, virtually anyone can get laid if they drop their standards low enough. And, that doesn't just mean willing to fuck low-tier people, that means willing to pursue them the same way you would someone more desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 05:35 PM
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Modern women don't go for it, but it fits the supply/demand paradigm of eggs and semen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 02:05 AM
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First, most real-life scenarios are positive sum, but zero sum strategies can still win a positive sum game. Let's say you have 10 pies and I have 10 pies. We can work together and make 10 more pies and split them, and now we each have 15 pies. If I just kill you and take your pies though, I now have 20. ​ Women's reproduction is best served by positive sum strategies. The best environment for women is a community with a bunch of (quality) men and women, and everyone fucking everyone. This gives…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 01:52 AM
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Do I need to explain what zero/positive sum means in terms of game theory, or should I skip to how it pertains to masculinity/femininity?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 01:30 AM
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Probably deserves its own post, but here we go: The core tenet of masculinity is zero sum strategy. The core tenet of feminism is positive sum strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 01:16 AM
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I think the main cultural issue is that there's a sense of men vs women, when it should be men vs men and women vs women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 07:56 PM
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My criteria why I nominate him: A master of his trade, he's among the world's best chefs, to the point that has influence on the culture surrounding it. To me personally, he showed me that cooking (other than grilling) is a masculine hobby and he made it cool. Great interpersonal skills and leadership. He demonstrates the ability to successfully develop chefs with his tutelage, to clash with restaurant owners and win, and he has the charm and charisma to get people to watch his business as enter…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 12:43 PM
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Do we have no good examples of masculinity? I'd nominate Gordon Ramsay.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 07:16 AM
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First, TRP and FDS are totally compatible; both approach relationships in bad faith, which makes them a match. The dating pool would be better if they would quarantine themselves off together to play their games. Second, I don't think either group is a majority. I think both are symptomatic of people trying to date out of their league and not understanding the cost associated. Third, I think it's crucial to vet potential partners to determine intent. If you want to build a wholesome relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:03 PM
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Some are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:07 AM
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Ideally, they get a happy and wholesome relationship. If you're discarding that, then no, they don't get much any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 12:06 AM
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For someone average? Career, only because it can open up more networking. But for a real person, that answer is whichever needs more work.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 01:11 AM
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No, they often tend to be jerks, and not just to people that date. It's also often the same thing with people that grow up with wealth and power. When they have such advantages as a child or teen, it changes their perspective on give and take for the worst. The absolute best partner, in my opinion, is the one that's a 6 and has always been a 6, but after a while of dating he/she finally decided to get in shape or make some other life change that elevates him/her to an 8 or 9. This way you get th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 01:41 PM
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It is rational. These threads are all public conversations. Even if the debate itself won't be productive, it can convince undecided readers to look into and embrace TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 01:45 PM
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The issue of the beard is that some women do prefer the beard, and so shaving it to appease one forfeits the others while it grows back. Probably a bad investment. I'm certain most women prefer you to have a solid paycheck than a particular profession. More importantly, the bank prefers I have a solid paycheck in order to repay my loans, so that takes precedence. Changing a trait for a one-off match? Basically never worth it, almost guaranteed to be a bad investment. Changing a trait for the ent…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 01:43 PM
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I'm personally of the opinion that TRP is mostly right when it comes to dating hot women and mostly wrong when it comes to dating average women. In my observations, it's essentially impossible to develop the personality I want in a partner while also being particularly attractive, and I imagine that goes the other way too; that particularly attractive guys become jerks because they can get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 01:36 PM
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