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...that's what. So? That doesn't mean things less extreme aren't valid reasons to be upset and that people should just suck it up and take it. If that's the biggest problem someone faces in their life, then they have lived a very fucking privileged life. Your ignorance is showing. Clearly you don't understand the concept of priorities. To some people, having someone who's supposed to love and care about openly hate you is worse than physical abuse. That has nothing to do with privilege. Oh, real…
/r/MensRights26/08/11 09:47 PM
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And you know what? There are A LOT of things that are WAY WORSE. For example: his wife used to torture me (i.e. locking me in a basement closet for hours, burning me with cigarettes, etc.). Do you know what else was worse? Having a bunch of close family members and friends die while I was growing up. Knowing that he wanted nothing to do with me and only saw me out of some weird attempt to keep up appearances for his brothers and sister? Not that big of a fucking deal in comparison. So what? Just…
/r/MensRights26/08/11 09:24 PM
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There's definitely no easy answer to this. Hopefully technology will get to a point where they're able to transfer the fetus not wanted by the woman to a surrogate so the male would have a chance to be the father if the woman didn't want it. Until then, there's no good answer.
/r/MensRights26/08/11 09:18 PM
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I definitely understand where everyone's coming with this. It's really unfair to one of the sexes regardless of how it's done. The main problem I see with these discussions though is a lot of talk about his and her rights and needs, but not much about the child that may come to be. Whatever the end result happens to be, if the child's born, I just hope that both parties can appreciate the life they brought into the world and try to at least do what's best for him/her. Few things suck more than h…
/r/MensRights26/08/11 08:55 PM
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I totally agree about the fact that most people would never do something like that. I'm just not sure where "being safe" crosses over into "obsessively protecting onesself." I think it's pretty clear where those things cross over. If you're sitting there inspecting your own condoms for pin-pricks, you need to get the fuck away from whatever girl you're with. If you actually think she may have done something like that, you're an idiot for being anywhere near her, let alone sleeping with her. Of c…
/r/MensRights26/08/11 08:41 PM
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As opposed to depriving a father of a child he wanted to raise, but the mother didn't, so she aborted? Again, this relies a lot on biology and things that really can't be changed. It's not as simple as just handing over a child to a father who wants it. There's the pregnancy and delivery. Obviously they should discuss the situation and hopefully the woman would be okay with going through all of that for them, but it's still a huge thing to ask of them. So if the father wants the child, and the m…
/r/MensRights26/08/11 07:48 PM
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While it's still a fetus, the woman can choose to abort it. Once it's born, killing it would be infanticide. While it's still a fetus, the man doesn't have to pay for anything, offer any support etc. After it's born, he's neglecting his responsibilities to his child. (Again, not his responsibilities to the mother, but to the child).
/r/MensRights26/08/11 07:35 PM
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So if a woman decides to "forget" to take the pill one morning... You can take someone to court for lying about something like that. For something relating to deception and fraud. There have been cases where men have won on those grounds. Also, very few women actually do things like that; those are the actions of a crazy person, not your average woman. Also, it's the male's responsibility to make sure that they're protecting themselves as well. If you're having sex with someone who you don't kno…
/r/MensRights26/08/11 07:33 PM
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Which would leave the woman completely on her own to take care of the child that both parties had a hand in creating. The reason she's pregnant is because they made a decision that lead to it. Both parties need to accept responsibility for their actions.
/r/MensRights26/08/11 07:29 PM
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Why not let fathers give children up for adoption with the caveat that the mother can adopt immediately as a single parent? Did you forget about the nine month pregnancy and the birthing process? That's a huge ordeal experienced solely by the female and, in the end, she'd be going through all of that just to give a man a child and then never seeing it again. That's a lot to ask of someone.
/r/MensRights26/08/11 07:26 PM
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Hopefully she'll find a course where the people are really intense. I took one a couple years ago, and my teacher was actually pretty amazing. The whole thing was very well-rounded, encouraged questioning ideals, and she never belittled the opposite sex or the issues that they deal with too. She also made sure that she held people accountable and didn't just blame everything on the patriarchy. She's one of the few feminists who seemed to honestly be in it for the right reasons and to truly stand…
/r/MensRights22/07/11 02:25 PM
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I'm in a blog!
/r/MensRights22/07/11 01:10 AM
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Honestly, it's hard to say. I never spent too much time in /r/feminisms, so I probably can't give an accurate opinion, but from what I experienced, they weren't usually outright misandristic, just that it was a haven for a lot of the veiled misandry that comes with feminism. /r/feminism, however, did have some outright misandry, but part of that may have come from the anger towards the rise in MRAs in that subreddit. I welcomed them with open arms, as did a fair number of the /r/feminism regular…
/r/MensRights21/07/11 07:11 PM
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Actually, I was a moderator for /r/feminism for a while, but that exploded in my face. I ended up getting kicked out because I was trying to hold another mod accountable and things like that. It's what ultimately lead me to not want to be involved with feminism anymore. A lot of them were expecting special treatment, to not allow any male mods, to remove misandry from the "unacceptable" list, etc. I'd rather have nothing to do with it now. If you're curious as to how that whole thing went, you c…
/r/MensRights21/07/11 03:22 PM
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My friends were never quite that bad, but I can see them slowly getting there. Some of them have even sworn off sex with men. So, now a bunch of them don't shave, sleep around, and only have sex with each other (no men). Now, I wouldn't have a problem with someone doing it because they've always done it and because they like it, but these friends are doing it just to make some kind of point and I think that's cheapening the whole thing. It's not genuine.
/r/MensRights21/07/11 02:31 PM
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As people, yes, because I think that everyone has value (some more than others, unfortunately). As an ideology or what have you, I think it depends on precisely what that feminist is choosing to believe and how they're behaving. I have met maybe two feminists who actually helped other people and truly stood up for the equality aspect. I think those feminists do have value and it's a shame they're associating themselves with a label that's so nebulous and often so corrupt. A majority of other fem…
/r/MensRights21/07/11 02:27 PM
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Which doesn't make sense because they weren't drinking Kool-Aid, they were drinking Flavor Aid. So, the phrase should be "Don't drink the Flavor Aid."
/r/MensRights21/07/11 01:27 AM
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Honestly, I'm avoiding the sexes and just basing everyone on what individuals need. If there's a man whose kids are being given to their unfit mother, I'll advocate for him. If there's a woman being beaten by her husband, I'll advocate for her. If there's a random family starving, I'll advocate for them.
/r/MensRights21/07/11 12:38 AM
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Congrats for rejecting the koolaide. They actually drank Flavor Aid in Jonestown. :)
/r/MensRights21/07/11 12:36 AM
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Do we talk to feminists, to get them to see the light? Or is it a grand waste of time and energy? Honestly, there are so many other things to talk about that, if your entire friendship is based on that one topic, it's not a very good friendship. (Or maybe I'm just trying to not feel bad about losing a bunch of friends...) If they react with hostility, and dig in their heels, and shame the MRA messenger...then have a nice life, sister. That's how a lot of the friends I'm talking about are. They a…
/r/MensRights21/07/11 12:33 AM
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Haha, honestly, it's not that much of a revelation. A majority of the times I defended it, I was defending my own idea of what it should be, not what it actually was. Once I realized how perverted it had gotten and that its become harmful nonsense, it was time to finally call it a day.
/r/MensRights21/07/11 12:29 AM
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It's not a criteria for one. I was using it to describe what type of feminists they were.
/r/MensRights21/07/11 12:28 AM
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why are you posting here Because I know there are people here who used to be feminists and it's a lot more likely that I'll get worthwhile responses than posting in a random subreddit completely unrelated to anything like this. are you now trying to hurt them Uh, no. I'm not a sociopath. :\
/r/MensRights21/07/11 12:25 AM
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Not the first time, but that's incredibly rare. I personally have never seen a mother side with another woman over her son when that other woman was clearly wrong. This is a very unusual situation.
/r/MensRights04/06/11 02:41 PM
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Yeah, the key here is that the parent refused to press charges. No one can say this is a double standard unless the parent pressed charges and it resulted in a significantly different punishment. As for anyone talking about how the state would press charges, that can only be done in some states.
/r/MensRights03/06/11 10:39 PM
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Whoa! Really? Three victims! You can really make a valid opinion regarding the thousands of victims raped each year based on your conversations with three of them. ಠ_ಠ Also, if they're actually just the type of people who cried rape after having sex with someone they regretted, then those aren't rape victims at all and you are an idiot for judging real victims based on those people's actions.
/r/MensRights01/06/11 07:27 PM
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So, you hang out with a lot of rape victims then? Also, being raped isn't something people generally start a conversation with. There's a good chance that you've met people who have been victims of rape and you'd never know it. So, unless you know the background of every single person you encounter, there's a very good chance that you've met and enjoyed the company of a rape victim who also happens to be reasonable.
/r/MensRights01/06/11 07:12 PM
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As much as I dislike many feminists, it's absurd to lump every single one into a category and say that every single one is devoid of reason. Also, it's disgusting to lump rape victims into that category as well. Both feminists and rape victims are diverse groups of people who can't be "painted with the same brush" the way you just did. It would be equivalent to me saying that all MRAs are misogynist pigs. It's obviously not true. Sure, there are some MRAs who are, and there are some feminists an…
/r/MensRights01/06/11 01:41 AM
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I honestly don't think very highly of this link. They don't seem to be particularly thorough with their points and don't even see potential mistakes they've made with their information. Example: Myth: Women will be hurt if they fight back. Answer: Being raped is being hurt. It is an injury. Furthermore, some research has found that only 3% of rapes involved injuries beyond the sexual attack. The "answer" portion is only relevant at all, if that 3% of rapes they're talking about, is actually 3% o…
/r/MensRights01/06/11 01:38 AM
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from personal experience I have seen a woman being attacked on the side of busy road, and no-one stopped to help Why didn't you?
/r/MensRights01/06/11 01:32 AM
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I think you're more likely to get people calling the fire department if you yell fire. Why not try screaming and yelling "rape" instead?
/r/MensRights01/06/11 01:32 AM
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Yes, but that only applies to people who come into the situation with the intent to kill their victim. What about the cases where the attacker only intends to rape, but something sends them over the edge and they end up taking it far enough to seriously injure or kill their victim?
/r/MensRights01/06/11 01:31 AM
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This is a huge part of the situation that people seem to keep ignoring. If someone significantly stronger and larger than you was robbing you, would you be victimizing yourself and allowing yourself to be robbed if you didn't try to fight them? Nope. They tell you to let it happen because there's a risk it could escalate and that the person being robbed could get significantly injured/killed in the process. They say the same thing to gas station attendants when someone's trying to steal gas beca…
/r/MensRights01/06/11 01:27 AM
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No, victim blaming is when you say it's their fault that the whole encounter occurred. Also, people try to say the victim should fight back, but sometimes that's a horrible idea. If the attacker is significantly larger and stronger than you and you try to fight them, there's no telling how much worse it could go. Think of it like a person trying to be a "hero" during a robbery where the robber has a gun. Sure, the person could try to stop the robber and make sure the horrible situation doesn't g…
/r/MensRights01/06/11 01:20 AM
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They seem to have fairly varied heights to me. None of them are abnormally tall or short. That aside, how often to people actually sit there and talk about their height instead of what they're saying? Also, the taller person generally only wins about 50% of the time. Those numbers aren't high enough to actually suggest a legitimate trend.
/r/MensRights25/05/11 04:25 AM
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What you've said is irrelevant. huskyhawkcougar made a point that the name "feminism" implies they want something more than just equality (ie. female superiority) because they have a name specifically related to women. I said that, based on this logic, you could say that "Men's Rights" implies the same thing because it's referring to men. Just because you're not "lying" about wanting to help the opposite sex doesn't mean that you could follow hhc's logic and assume Men's Rights is about male sup…
/r/MensRights25/05/11 02:00 AM
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They're generally judged less severely though. A huge example can be seen in politics. Most of the time, when a male politician is doing his thing, people are focusing on what he's saying (or not saying, for that matter), what he does, his education, etc. With a female politician, there's often a huge focus on how she looks, her level of attractiveness, what she's wearing, etc. You generally don't see people criticizing male politicians' outfits or discussing how "fuckable" they are.
/r/MensRights25/05/11 01:54 AM
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Couldn't you say the same thing about "Men's Rights" though?
/r/MensRights24/05/11 07:36 AM
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First off, there's a huge difference as far as priorities go. From what I've experienced, it's easier for a male to get by without fitting "beauty standards" because there's often a focus on other areas. Unfortunately, it seems like with women, that's the first and main thing people focus on. Second, I think the reason why it's not a big deal with this ad campaign is because the man in the ad is clearly having fun with it. He knows that he doesn't have the washboard abs and is totally fine with …
/r/MensRights24/05/11 07:32 AM
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I may just be being oversensitive but I've always seen their broadcasts as subtly saying that a woman's life is more valuable than a man's. I definitely don't think you're being oversensitive here. I can understand making a bigger deal over the first female killed in combat kind of thing as it's a very new thing for Western society, but at this point in time I don't think it's appropriate to continue that kind of behaviour; it makes it seem as if their lives are more valuable. They should be foc…
/r/MensRights18/05/11 06:11 AM
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I would, at the very least, like the media to admit that men died instead of using terms such as miners or workers. So, for clarification: is it that you'd like them to be acknowledged as being men who have lost their lives to give their deaths and sacrifice some meaning and not just referred to as miners/workers, as if they weren't even human?
/r/MensRights18/05/11 05:46 AM
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That's really good point. Which direction would you like things to go in order to see it dealt with? Would you prefer to have the men who've lost their lives in the line of duty/for their jobs receiving more recognition/respect/etc. or would you prefer the deaths of women to be treated the way the deaths of the men are now? Or, would you prefer to reach a middle ground for both?
/r/MensRights18/05/11 05:31 AM
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I know. I was just wondering if that's the type of mutilation he was referring to, or if there was something else going on as well that I didn't know about.
/r/MensRights17/05/11 11:04 AM
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Unfortunately, they often are. The weird thing is that for a majority of my life, you could probably accurately describe me as an anti-feminist. For some reason, within the past two years, I did a complete 180. Only recently have I wondered "What the fuck am I doing?" and returned to my old ways.
/r/MensRights17/05/11 07:05 AM
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Stop letting modern feminism and the media convince us there's a 'rape culture'. I definitely agree with this. Even when I was a feminist that was one thing I could never bring myself to believe.
/r/MensRights17/05/11 06:54 AM
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Is that referring to circumcision or is there something else happening that I'm not up on?
/r/MensRights17/05/11 06:50 AM
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If you can't afford to raise a child without someone else's money, you don't deserve custody and should give it to the other parent. That's an interesting idea, but what if the parent that has the money is unfit to be a parent? Abusive, drug habit, no time for the child, constantly moving around for a job, etc.
/r/MensRights17/05/11 04:10 AM
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Instead of people trying to force men into looking after their children, why not look for a man to have a healthy relationship with who would want to help to raise her children? Usually that's a hell of a lot better for everyone involved, especially the kids.
/r/MensRights17/05/11 03:10 AM
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Some of mine are too now. It's funny how they agree with not censoring people until it involves someone mentioning an unpleasant truth about any of them.
/r/MensRights17/05/11 03:04 AM
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I tried to prevent it from being that way.
/r/MensRights16/05/11 11:56 PM
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2XC and /r/feminims aren't in charge of the dictionary. The dictionary's definition is that it's hatred of men, and if people are saying otherwise, they're mistaken. There's really no debating that.
/r/MensRights03/05/11 10:54 PM
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No, actually "misogynist" is defined as someone who hates women.
/r/MensRights03/05/11 08:50 AM
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I've never consored kloo and I've never banned him from anything. I'm not guilty of anything. Everyone can clearly see everything he said and the entire group didn't want him as a mod. Wanting him to not be a moderator is not censorship. we dont just call them names and ban them from replying . Neither do we. I've said before that not a single person is banned from /r/feminism.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 06:56 PM
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As far as the general theme of this thread goes, feminist blogs in general are cesspools of censureship. Mens' Rights blogs rarely are. If women expect men to take them seriously, they need to learn to be more tolerant of others views. On the other hand though, without the censorship, it's free game for all the misogynistic trolls that often haunt those areas. Some feminists may seem intolerant because of the censorship, but a lot of MRA blogs/forums/etc. seem intolerant and hateful because of t…
/r/MensRights01/05/11 12:05 PM
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Honestly, I think it's pretty even between some feminists and some MRAs. In fact, just the other day one of them told me he wanted to "bite off [my] clit and spit it in my face", simply because of a disagreement over the intended meaning of a quote, which lead to a disagreement about grammar, which lead to his colourful phrases. It was eventually followed by him telling me to go die and another about my "mother's cunt". Not to mention that sometimes I even get nasty PMs from people simply for po…
/r/MensRights01/05/11 10:30 AM
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Poor wording, I suppose. What I ultimately mean is that I wasn't trying to insult him, but I wasn't planning on sugar-coating either. It needed to be strong enough to let him know that we were serious and that we were tired of his behaviour. It wasn't said because we wanted to insult him.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 08:12 AM
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Also, there's a much higher survival rate when attempting suicide with pills, drowning, and other methods more common for women. If you're using a gun or jumping, the second you pull the trigger or step off the ledge, the show's over. When you're using pills, there's a chance that you won't take enough, someone will find you before you die, you actually have a chance to change your mind and call 911, etc. So, it could easily be argued that many people change their minds while in the process of c…
/r/MensRights01/05/11 04:06 AM
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I've noticed similar things in 2XC. There have been a couple users with really weird usernames similar to stereotypical teenage girl usernames in chatrooms and stuff and they've been posting outrageous things and then acting like they have no idea why you'd think they were a troll. An example.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 12:35 AM
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Everything I said were things you have done before and, often, do regularly. They weren't meant as insults, but as observations.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 12:07 AM
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I'm sorry you feel that way.
/r/MensRights30/04/11 11:31 PM
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It wasn't necessarily intended to insult, it was to bring to everyone's attention your actions and your attitude. If you were actually hurt during the process, that wasn't my intentions.
/r/MensRights30/04/11 11:27 PM
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if I get the slightest bit angry it's all me whinging. I never said it was whining, I said that a lot of the hostility towards you was brought on by your actions and the things you've been saying long before this issue. Also, I have said that I didn't intentionally set out to hurt you and that I was just doing what I felt was best for the sub.
/r/MensRights30/04/11 11:25 PM
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I haven't demanded anything. If you want to carry it on, that's your prerogative.
/r/MensRights30/04/11 11:20 PM
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After the 2 day's hatred and cross-reddit slurs you foisted upon me you don't deserve any benefit for coming here and pleading "let's be friends." First off, the things that were said were often true. In addition to that, I don't understand how you could expect a feminist subreddit to welcome you as a mod when you regularly talk about how much you hate feminism. I doubt you'd welcome an anti-MRA into your subreddit as a mod. Also, I never said I wanted to be friends. I don't. I just think that t…
/r/MensRights30/04/11 11:09 PM
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Kloo may be a big boy , but after the seige mentality shown there we are not supposed to offer support to one of the mods from here when he was attacked ?? I never said you couldn't show support, I was saying that he wasn't completely innocent and that he brought it on himself. Not to mention the fact that its been dealt with. thats called double standards Actually, no, it's not. It would only be a double standard if I expected to be able to act the way you did and have it be okay. and its amazi…
/r/MensRights30/04/11 10:53 PM
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after seeing the hostility directed towards Kloo [...] there is obvious censorship already That wasn't about censorship, that was about someone who openly hates feminism becoming a mod for a feminist subreddit. In addition to that, he wasn't censored at all during that period in time and you can see all of his comments in their uncensored glory. Just out of curiosity, if half of the /r/mensrights mods were replaced with anti-MRAs who wanted to put a stop to men's rights, would you be okay with t…
/r/MensRights30/04/11 10:45 PM
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I honestly know nothing about the first link you posted or what happened to it, and the second one has been re-assessed. If there's a situation where a post has been caught in the spam filter or removed, feel free to ask why and we'll let you know, or, if you feel it's unjust you can make a case, we will re-assess it. We're all brand new mods and working out how to run the subreddit, so it's going to be a bit bumpy for the first couple of hours. Like I said, there are new mods in /r/feminism now…
/r/MensRights30/04/11 10:18 PM
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So, are you disagreeing with what I had originally proposed? That instead of a lot of finger pointing and fighting, we should focus on the victims more and try to provide support for them instead? Honestly, it kind of seems like you just want to berate the wife and tell me you think I'm stupid for not jumping on the bandwagon. appealing to mythical human decency that (stochastically speaking) does not exist in the real world. Don't so cynical. There's plenty of human decency in the world, but it…
/r/MensRights30/04/11 08:19 PM
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"She chose to wear that skirt, she chose to drink that much, she chose to leave her group . . ." No, that's a bit different. If the girl knew she was in a situation where she was about to get raped and chose to stay, that's when personal responsibility comes in. Y'know, standing up to it and saying no. The fellow in this article clearly saw his life going to hell, but chose to stay a part of it. The person backed into a corner is the most likely to lash out, at themselves or others. This is very…
/r/MensRights30/04/11 08:10 PM
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Of course it couldn't have been because she had a reason for it. It's pointless to argue about the wife and whether what she did was justified or not because we don't actually know the whole situation. So, instead of potentially crucifying someone who doesn't deserve it, why not focus on what we know would be beneficial (ie. providing the support/aid I mentioned in my original comment). You are either naive or dishonest. Dishonest? About what?
/r/MensRights30/04/11 12:24 PM
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I see that the general consensus here is that his suicide was either caused by his wife or alcoholism (which people seem to think was caused by his wife), but I have to ask, when does personal responsibility come into play here? To a certain extent, he's responsible for the way his life turned out. He chose to marry that woman, he chose to have children with her, and he chose to drink due to his unhappiness. If she's responsible for his unhappiness because of inconsideration/being a shitty perso…
/r/MensRights30/04/11 09:31 AM
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Why are you so cynical? Is it really so impossible for her to actually be upset that a man she loved and the father of her children killed himself and that it could've been prevented? Her husband DIED. If you seriously think that the only thing on her mind was child support, you have a very twisted world view.
/r/MensRights30/04/11 09:00 AM
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Actually, by saying "father" she was probably expressing that it wasn't just her who lost someone they loved and that now there's a good chance the kids would grow up without a father figure. Not everyone is completely evil.
/r/MensRights30/04/11 08:56 AM
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Right, like SaVE. Purely equality. Unicorns, rainbows, etc. SAVE? Students Against Violence Everywhere? What do they have to do with rainbows and unicorns? In fact, what does that have to do with anything? How's that koolaid? Haha, a Jonestown reference! That's so funny and original! Of course feminism (a movement that has done amazing things for the world) is the same as the mass suicide/murder of over 900 innocent people in the jungles of Guyana is completely relevant and justified! It's kind …
/r/MensRights29/04/11 10:38 PM
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It said right there: They just happen to hate men as well. "They" is referring to the sentence before that which read: Feminists fight for equality for women. Those are both very simple sentences and they both clearly show that he's lumping them into one main category, which he later breaks down in sub-categories that are still under the main man-hating category. He easily could have said "some" or "most" or "many" feminists, but he intentionally chose to refer to feminists as a whole. If you're…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 10:03 PM
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Actually, no, you said something that contradicted what the link itself said. I pity anyone too unintelligent to be able to actually read a simple sentence.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 09:36 PM
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Yes, actually, he did say that. He said that we're all on the side that doesn't care about or hates men. He specifically said they hate men and just broke it down into varying degrees. How is it reasonable at all to think that all feminists hate men?
/r/MensRights29/04/11 09:19 PM
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Outside of kloo2yoo's world, "Feminism as equal rights, aka egalitarian" is the most common type of feminism. Despite what a lot of people think, it's definitely the more popular choice. "Feminism as female supremacy" is a lot rarer, but the people who are a part of it are just very loud.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 07:27 PM
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I publicly call myself a feminist and I agree that someone who believes in equal rights for women is a feminist. In fact, so does the dictionary: feminism - n - the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 05:32 AM
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Here you go.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 04:52 AM
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He is secretly unreasonable. If by "secret" you mean "very obviously", then yes. Clearly a lot of people have a problem with him. Instead of just saying that, because you didn't see it, it can't be true, try looking at people's responses towards him and his reputation outside of places like /r/mensrights.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 04:23 AM
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Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 03:58 AM
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i post a lot. Not every comment off mine is a masterpiece. Is every one of yours? There's a difference between having a post be a masterpiece and having it at least try to be accurate. So do you want to talk about feminism, or waste more time telling me you don't like me. I've never said I don't like you. In fact, I don't actually know you. What I don't like is the attitude you seem to have and the fact that you're anti-feminist, despite all the good that feminism has accomplished. Why not just …
/r/MensRights29/04/11 03:10 AM
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Oh! Really? is that what I did? Did I say that all feminists are angry men haters? Clearly you don't understand that I was talking about kloo2yoo.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 03:03 AM
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You equate "anti feminist" with misogynist. I think you are incorrect. Okay, sorry, would you like to have only two moderators for the subreddit, and have one of them be an anti-men's rights advocate? Feminism was not always corrupt. I think kloo would agree with that. He is against the current guise, which allows children to be taken from fathers without just cause or due process, or men to be expelled from schools without due process[...] And so on. The problem is that those things aren't caus…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 02:50 AM
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I don't try to make people feel inferior. I argue. i use facts. if someone insists on attacking me personally, I may eventually respond viscously. Even completely unprovoked you say things intentionally to annoy people that adds nothing to the conversation. Besides, you don't just use facts, you link to thinks that are irrelevant and use red herrings. In addition to that, you often lay blame for things where it isn't due, probably because it's easier to blame feminism for everything instead of a…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 02:40 AM
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You are being suspicious No kidding! Do you blame me after reading: kloo2yoo believes that there is an international, feminist, antimale conspiracy, and encourages peaceful, but direct, action against it. Which is right there on the side bar. unreasonable, from the outset. How is it unreasonable to not want someone who blatantly hates and wants to get rid of feminism to be a moderator for a feminist subreddit? Would you want a misandrist to take over as a mod for /r/mensrights? You are arguing a…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 02:31 AM
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Hmmm, no a large group of people who think that you intentionally try (and fail) to make people feel inferior. What's so hard about just being polite? You must know how annoying it is to have people come into /r/mensrights and say ridiculous and untrue things about it, so why would you do the same thing to feminist subreddits when you know it's just going to annoy people and that it doesn't benefit anyone?
/r/MensRights29/04/11 02:18 AM
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My original comment that you were replying to: So, if I went into /r/mensrights and started talking about how they're all misogynists and saying that all men are pigs and a bunch of other horrible, untrue things, they'd just be totally cool with it? And it wouldn't matter that I was harassing the subscribers and their beliefs? Your response: no, you'd be downvoted to hell. then upvoted by other feminists who also want to change the character of /mensrights. you'll also be argued with, told to re…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 02:16 AM
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that did happen. iirc, It was before the current mod policies were put in place. It certainly was because i was banned in /feminisms, unjustly imo, and the mods stonewalled when I tried to understand their reasoning. You don't think that it could've been because people find you to be offensive, rude and that you try to be condescending?
/r/MensRights29/04/11 01:58 AM
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if you're so certain I said that why can't you link the quote? Here you go.
/r/MensRights29/04/11 01:56 AM
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I have my doubts. They'll probably be just giddy because they, like many others, are assuming you're just "keeping your enemies closer."
/r/MensRights29/04/11 01:46 AM
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the mod policies for /mensrights are linked in the sidebar. there were some bans before that. So, if these policies have been in place for five months, why did you claim that /r/mensrights doesn't ban less than a month ago? It seems like you just change your story whenever it suits you. There's controversy about whether male feminists even exist. According to some, the best a man can hope to be is a 'pro-feminist male' If, by controversy, you mean a small handful of misandrists claiming to be fe…
/r/MensRights29/04/11 01:14 AM
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I didn't say 'everyone involved.' Who's involved with feminism? Feminists. Who do you hate? Feminists. No, I don't claim that. For example, I banned cliffor just recently. Actually, yes you have. You said that in a thread on 2XC a while ago titled something like "So, Feminism's a Dirty Word On Reddit?". You've also said it a couple of other times during my time on Reddit. I also remember someone pointing out that they were banned from /r/mensrights just for being a mod in /r/feminisms and there …
/r/MensRights29/04/11 12:51 AM
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Why would you want to turn a pre-existing, feminist subreddit called /r/feminism into a place for people to "debate" feminism and Men's Rights? Instead of trying to take over someone else's subreddit, why don't you just create your own?
/r/MensRights29/04/11 12:08 AM
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You might want to notice that a majority of people don't want you there. It's not because you disagree, but because you're absolutely against the topic of the subreddit. You've said over and over again that you blatantly hate feminism and everyone involved. In fact: kloo2yoo believes that there is an international, feminist, antimale conspiracy, and encourages peaceful, but direct, action against it. Honestly, what do you want with /r/feminism? Is this just going to turn into another /r/equality…
/r/MensRights28/04/11 11:53 PM
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Suffice to say women have used 'sweetheart' and 'dear' and 'honey' on me as a patronizing and belittling gesture. I've also witnessed them using such terms on men. I've never disagreed with that. In fact, I believe somewhere else in this thread, I made a point to say they did.
/r/MensRights28/04/11 10:04 PM
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At the time it didn't occur to me to object. Someone was doing something that invaded your personal space and made you incredibly uncomfortable, but it didn't occur to you to ask them to stop? After all she was a woman and so was I. So? If a woman kept spitting on you over and over would you not say anything about that too, just because you're both women? It's just a feeling you get sometimes interacting with people. Sometimes they do things to be nice, and sometimes they're doing it to see how …
/r/MensRights28/04/11 09:48 PM
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Traditionally, hugs aren't seen a way to "dominate" someone, so I doubt that was their intention. Did you ever politely ask them to stop and explain how it made you feel?
/r/MensRights28/04/11 09:27 PM
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The difference is that some people use it as a term of endearment (like the person hugging you), while others use it as a way to draw attention to someone's sex in a condescending way (like in the link). Also, regardless of who is using it in a derogatory way and who they're using it to (female to female, male to female, female to male or male to male in cases of "boy", "son", "sir" etc.), it's still sexist and offensive.
/r/MensRights28/04/11 08:57 PM
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You obviously can't use the up and downvotes to judge that as this caused a downvote brigade. Also, I wasn't crushed at all. Kloo2yoo even admitted that I was right at one point.
/r/MensRights15/04/11 06:54 AM
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I've done that. kloo2yoo conveniently left that part out though.
/r/MensRights15/04/11 06:51 AM
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It was all about the generalizations in the FAQ and other post from /r/mensrights.
/r/MensRights15/04/11 12:31 AM
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You should have just dropped out of that conversation CellarDorre, it's clear you had already lost the debate. Lost what debate? My original and main point was that the FAQ and So You're A Feminist posts had generalizations and were largely untrue. I didn't lose anything, kloo2yoo even agreed with me. On that note, at least I don't need to try to get the help of an entire subreddit to form a downvote brigade and come to my aid.
/r/MensRights15/04/11 12:10 AM
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My intent was to show that the FAQ can withstand a direct attack from a self-described feminist. Attack? I was pointing out that it was full of generalizations and you yourself agreed to that. I don't know if you'd consider that an attack, but if you do, I don't see how you agreeing could be considered "withstanding" it. that was not at all clear at the time of this post, but since you have said it now, it's an important point to relate. It was though. Read through my other comments and make not…
/r/MensRights14/04/11 06:03 PM
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Are you also going to mention that the only problem I've said I have with /r/mensrights is that the FAQ generalizes? I can also see that you haven't included any of the parts where I've specifically said that I fully support Men's Right's efforts in restoring balance in the court room, supporting and raising awareness for male rape victims, abolishing sex-based stereotypes and expectations towards men, etc. Honestly, I think that if you have a problem with me personally, you should discuss it wi…
/r/MensRights14/04/11 05:27 PM
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If she's such a cunt, then why don't YOU teach your son math?
/r/MensRights12/04/11 06:56 PM
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all sorts of vectors giving you information on dating and sex and relationships Are you kidding? We get things like Cosmo to tell us what to do. Have you ever read Cosmo? Things like that are fucking insane. We get things telling us to be thinner, to be quieter, to be blonde, to be a redhead, to have big tits, to want children, etc. if we want to find a boyfriend/husband. We have to have certain thing if we want a relationship. ProTip: most of it's garbage made to sell magazines to girls who are…
/r/MensRights02/04/11 05:56 PM
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Well, there's one that I've been with for two years and talk to every day. All three guy in my CHE course are nice guys, all of my male friends with the exclusion of two are legitimately nice guys. My father and brothers are all nice guys. I've met plenty of nice guys in other courses and over my years in various places. It's a shame that you haven't managed to encounter any.
/r/MensRights02/04/11 05:42 PM
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.I have dated/hooked up with a lot of different types of girls...generally nice chicks or psycho crazy bitches...they all had so many similiarities in behavior. If you've had so much experience with so many different girls, then how are you capable of acting like they're all the same? You're either lying or just incredibly ignorant.
/r/MensRights02/04/11 05:39 PM
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Sources? Does anyone around here actually have any real sources or are you all just going to keep pulling things out of your asses?
/r/MensRights02/04/11 05:37 PM
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Guys seek out drugs and booze and weed to get rid of their pain caused by women pursuing their pleasure, so they can feel some pleasure. So, guys are alcoholics and drug addicts because random women are exploring their sexuality? If that's all it takes to go into a downward spiral, you really need to prioritize better. just look around at guys and try to understand it from our point of view instead of calling us losers When have I ever called men losers? I got a hard on one day at around 12 and …
/r/MensRights02/04/11 05:36 PM
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You keep claiming that most women aren't like this but I have so many stories...some mine, many of them other peoples/friends/friends of friends/roommates. I am not even counting all the times I have seen guys offer women a beer and then saw the woman walk off and sit with her guy or female friends and then split the check with her boyfriend or whatever....lulz. Yeah, but at the same time, I have a lot of stories about men raping and beating their girlfriends. Stories about men who turn out to b…
/r/MensRights02/04/11 05:27 PM
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Then you're clearly in a relationship with the wrong girl. I find it ironic that someone in /r/MensRights would allow themselves to be treated that way by anyone.
/r/MensRights02/04/11 05:23 PM
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women were more likely to display those factors than men That doesn't mean that the reverse situation doesn't happen and that it wouldn't be a reason to file for divorce. that were those factors valid considerations we would see more men filing for divorce. So, you don't think that domestic abuse is a valid reason to file for divorce then? Since we do not, more women filing for divorce means women are more flaky No, it does not. You don't know why they're filing for divorce. You haven't even pro…
/r/MensRights31/03/11 08:51 PM
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you just can't form a coherent thought. Yes, tell that to all my incoherent math. Your excuse for 70% of women filing for divorce was that they were escaping abusive husbands. No, I never said that at all. I said that you weren't taking into account the situations that may have factors such as abusive relationships, cheating etc. I never said they were only for that reason. Admit your point has been shot down. You shooting down my point doesn't have any effect on its validity. Come up with anoth…
/r/MensRights31/03/11 06:12 PM
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You are arguing dishonestly here. So are you. The whole point is that being a niceguy is pointless because women don't actually find it attractive. Untrue. I am a woman, I find it attractive. Many other women find it attractive too. Source Over 200 comments-worth of testimonies. It isn't an act. It's treating a woman how the woman says she wants to be treated. act: noun - false show; pretense; feint If you're pretending to be nice and to care, but you actually don't, it's an act. It doesn't matt…
/r/MensRights31/03/11 06:08 PM
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Okay, so, if I understand correctly... Out of all relationships, only about 24% of them are violent. From that 24% (the violent relationships), 50.3% will have only one partner instigating the violence, and 49.7% will have both partners fighting. Now, if we look closer at the 50.3% of the 24% of violent relationships, we find that 70% of those women are the aggressors. Let's do the math. We start out with 100 women. 24% of them are in violent relationships. If we do the math: *0.24100 = 24** The…
/r/MensRights31/03/11 05:47 PM
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The reason 'nice guys' get annoyed is not because women refuse to have sex with them it's because women who say they want niceguys are dishonest. Not all women are dishonest about that though. Dishonest people are dishonest, it's not because they're women. They need to try to learn to spot that. Women say 'I want a partner who treats me like XYZ'. The man who wants the role of partner acts like XYZ for the woman taking on the role of a 'niceguy'. The woman however then goes on to date the 'badbo…
/r/MensRights31/03/11 04:58 PM
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If this is true, then why do people keep saying that guys are only nice because they're trying to have sex with a girl? Clearly your friend had no intentions of sleeping with her, but he was still nice to her. Why do people argue so intensely that this isn't possible?
/r/MensRights31/03/11 04:22 PM
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Because I want you to take the effort to look them up for yourself, that way you'll actually remember and learn from them. In other words, you don't have any numbers. More women abuse men than men abuse women. Again, source? Also, I never said anything about how many abuse who, I said that it shouldn't count as a woman being flaky if she leaves for that reason. So given roughly equal "reasons" (in your eyes), why is there the huge disparity? You tell me. They're your numbers, not mine. You're th…
/r/MensRights31/03/11 04:20 PM
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'Nice guys' are men who have been taught women want them to act in a certain way. So, are you saying that no one's actually a nice person to everyone, just because? They're only nice to get girls? Or am I misunderstanding you? They do not think they should have to reward behaviour... Are you implying that women should reward every person who's simply nice to her? for them a nice guy who is being nice because he is trying to attract her is not really nice. Well, if I understood what you said earl…
/r/MensRights31/03/11 03:55 PM
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Those are stats which could confer "flakyness" where women are much more flaky than men (or mothers much more than fathers). They aren't stats, there are no numbers. Also, you might want to include why those 70% have filed for divorce. I don't think it's flaky if some of them are because of domestic abuse, a spouse with drug/alcohol problems, a spouse who has cheated on them, etc.
/r/MensRights31/03/11 03:42 PM
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Do you seriously not understand what's wrong with that article? You know how so many people are saying not to "put the pussy on the pedestal? Don't marry the first woman who gives you a blowjob, etc? The same situation is taking place here. The people who are marrying the first people they had sex with are probably staying in an unhealthy relationship just for that reason. The people who've had more experiences realize that they won't need to worry about being alone forever if they decide to lea…
/r/MensRights31/03/11 03:39 PM
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Aww, you're so deluded. :)
/r/MensRights31/03/11 08:28 AM
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I didn't realize that girls could white knight themselves... Isn't that just considered sticking up for yourself?
/r/MensRights31/03/11 07:19 AM
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That's pedestalization, dipshit. Calling something like it is, isn't pedestalization. Happy trolling!
/r/MensRights31/03/11 07:14 AM
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Average number of sick days taken. Full time employment rates 10+ years after graduation. Rates of non-payment for child support. Rates of child abuse. Rates of child murder. Avoidance of parental responsibilities (abortion + abandonment vs "deadbeat dads") And that's just the top of my head. Those aren't sources, that's just you listing things that you think represent women being flaky. There are no numbers there, no context and nothing comparing them to men. That aside, what does "full time em…
/r/MensRights31/03/11 07:12 AM
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It helps to not have a tendency not to pedestalize women, which you obviously do. Right here is where you've essentially invalidated your entire post. You're making untrue judgment calls about me which leads me to assume that you're as careless with the rest of your arguments as you are here. There are incredibly few "good" women out there. I've found one that's pretty "good" but I would say she is an extreme rarity. It's a shame you haven't met the rest of us. We're greater in numbers than you …
/r/MensRights31/03/11 07:02 AM
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What percentage of women who expect equal pay would be willing to go dutch on a date? A majority, from what I've seen. In fact, I've been surprised at how many of us there are that insist on splitting bills; I didn't realize so many of us existed until I looked into it. Honestly, I've encountered only a few women who actually are ridiculous enough to expect men to cover all the expenses, but these women are so rude and misandristic that anyone would have to be insane to actually be interested in…
/r/MensRights31/03/11 06:54 AM
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No, there aren't. Women are hypergamous. It doesn't matter if they're "nice" about it. It's what they are. Maybe in India where many people don't actually have a choice... So let's stop perpetuating the myth that women are angels who respond to kindness No one said that we're all "angels who respond to kindness". Some do and some don't, but it's certainly not a majority of women who prefer abusive men. maybe more guys will stop pedestalizing these skanks and begin getting some punani. How about …
/r/MensRights31/03/11 06:04 AM
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But those (attractive popular girls) are the types which they're supposed to be able to get by following the rules! There are A LOT of attractive and popular girls who don't act like that at all. No, only 90% or so. Do you want a nice guy? If so, you're one of them. Trust me, there is no way that 90% of women regularly say one thing and do something completely different. Also, this isn't specific to women either. I've met plenty of men who do the same thing. It's a negative trait of some humans,…
/r/MensRights31/03/11 05:33 AM
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It's not normal at all. It's just as deceptive and horrible as when a male does it. I honestly think some people accept it more because they think that it's normal behaviour for a woman and that women shouldn't be held to the same expectations as men (which is completely wrong).
/r/MensRights31/03/11 04:56 AM
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100% honesty: a LOT of nice guys are just like that. Then they're not actually nice guys, are they? Why? Because they do "everything right" and be supportive and "play by the rules" and listen to what women say and try to be like that... and then watch those women they are being like that with go fuck thugs, losers, and jerks. The people who do that are choosing to go after those types of women though. They don't have to set themselves up like that and choose the same type of girl over and over …
/r/MensRights31/03/11 04:50 AM
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What friend?
/r/MensRights31/03/11 04:48 AM
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Ah, well then, I'd have to agree. Actually, I'd probably take it a step further to say it's disgusting and deceitful to pretend to care about someone just to use them for sex.
/r/MensRights31/03/11 03:07 AM
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Maybe he's/she's seen a fair number of guys that are like that. From what I can understand from my continued talking to him is that he believes all men are like that, including himself. He also believes that only men can truly know men and that a woman who has been married to a man for twenty years is incapable of knowing him better than a man who has known him for a couple months. This guy is just turning out to be more and more of a misandrist the longer I talk to him.
/r/MensRights31/03/11 03:06 AM
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I'm not talking specifically about unreciprocated affection, though. More about guys in general pretending to be nice and saying horrible things behind the girl's back. According to G------, this is normal, guys do this regularly, and if anyone seems like a nice guy, it's just a front.
/r/MensRights31/03/11 02:36 AM
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Its creepy to be a nice guy because you are only being nice to get permission to touch them. Are you saying that there's no reason to be nice to them other than to "touch them"? Not because they're a human being who deserves to be treated properly or because you genuinely care about them or because you're just a decent person? Or have I misunderstood?
/r/MensRights31/03/11 02:28 AM
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The problem I have is that I even differentiated between the two to him. When he was talking about nice guys who will say "the nastiest things", I mentioned that it means he wasn't a nice guy at all and that he was just fooling everyone, but apparently this guy can't see the difference. Or is saying that there is no difference.
/r/MensRights31/03/11 02:20 AM
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I'm glad I could be of help! I appreciate you looking for more information and for being so respectful!
/r/MensRights21/03/11 08:39 PM
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Only because I believe some minors are ready for sex and I feel the law has likely been used to prosecute essentially, in my eyes, innocent people. I do, however, understand why the law is in place: to protect the majority of minors who don't understand the complications of sex. It's true that there are some minors who are certainly more developed than the average child of their age, but unfortunately, they can never know for sure how "ready for it" they are until afterwards and by then it's too…
/r/MensRights21/03/11 04:53 PM
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I appreciate the explanation!
/r/MensRights21/03/11 09:20 AM
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we were horny little buggers at fourteen, who wanted sex from any willing (attractive) woman at any time. One of the problems is that people are only remembering their fantasies about having sex with someone they wanted to. They're not considering how horrible it might've been to be violated by someone they had no desire to be touched by. I don't think they're considering the aftermath either. Kind of like that gross feeling you get after you ejaculate and realize how fucked up the porn you were…
/r/MensRights21/03/11 09:05 AM
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I think you have an excellent point.
/r/MensRights21/03/11 05:00 AM
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That's understandable, but I think there's a difference between making jokes to yourself to calm yourself down in a bad situation and just making blatantly offensive comments without considering the effect they may have on other people. For example, if you were the boy in question and you were making a joke about it, I'd understand that it was a coping mechanism and you were just trying to get through a rough situation. In this case though, most people aren't involved at all and are just laughin…
/r/MensRights21/03/11 04:58 AM
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You shouldn't be embarrassed and I appreciate you taking the time to ask. Are you talking about pregnancy, STDs and the like? Yes, these are some of the risks, but they aren't necessarily the most important ones. The others are generally related to emotional/mental maturity and can be hard to explain, but I'll try my best. Having sex is supposed to be something passionate, intimate and mature (excluding sex purely for reproduction as it's not the case here if the girl's 11 years old). For whatev…
/r/MensRights21/03/11 04:54 AM
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You're pathetic. You're willing to deprive a child of a real father figure because you're too irresponsible to accept the consequences of your actions? That's horrible. Then again, if that's the way you behave, maybe it would be better off without you.
/r/MensRights21/03/11 03:25 AM
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That's not up to you. What if the girl decides to keep the child?
/r/MensRights21/03/11 02:02 AM
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Of course! I didn't mean to make it sounds like I don't consider the upvotes, just that I'm very concerned with the large number of people who openly think statutory rape of a male is okay (or a good thing even).
/r/MensRights21/03/11 12:07 AM
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Sexual fantasies with my male teachers when I was 14 (checked) Definitely this. Sure, I liked the idea of it, but am I ever glad I waited until I was older before getting involved with anyone. Looking back on myself, I know for a fact that I didn't understand everything involved. I definitely was not mature enough to be in that kind of situation.
/r/MensRights21/03/11 12:00 AM
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Sometimes birth control fails and you need to be responsible enough to deal with the situation properly if that happens. If you can't do that, you shouldn't be having sex with anything other than your hand.
/r/MensRights20/03/11 11:58 PM
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Are you kidding? What makes you say that?
/r/MensRights20/03/11 11:57 PM
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No, it makes light of not taking child molestation seriously. Do you understand what satire is at all? A LOT of people honestly do not get the satire in South Park, and a lot of people think that South Park is advocating for things they're actually making fun of. For example, the whole "gingers not having souls" bit. That was just a joke and a commentary on how ridiculous ideas like that are. Unfortunately, it spawned a huge group of people thinking it's hilarious and actually kicking and harass…
/r/MensRights20/03/11 11:56 PM
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Often, it's not which comments are upvoted most that concerns me, but the number of comments being made about something. If you consider each username to be an actual person (ignoring potential alt accounts), it was a frightening number of people making jokes about the situation.
/r/MensRights20/03/11 11:52 PM
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This! I don't see why so many people have trouble understanding this. Of course statutory rape isn't violent and forced, but it's still not okay because there's a very good chance the child involved (regardless of whether they're consenting or not) doesn't have a full understanding of the risks involved or what the situation entails.
/r/MensRights20/03/11 11:50 PM
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The interesting part that I noticed about the comments was that it was typically the male Redditors "congratulating" the boy for being raped. There was one other comment in there saying it was terrible, but that user had a username that implied she was a female. So, from the last time I checked, it was only me (female) and another female Redditor telling people how insane and disgusting it is to assume that he boy is happy about it. This isn't supposed to be a dig at men or anything like that, I…
/r/MensRights20/03/11 11:48 PM
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Being rational = good results = fun for everyone!
/r/MensRights14/02/11 07:52 AM
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Old-school feminism had to be radically oppositional to get anywhere, (I guess,) but we're past that shit, and ideas like this are incredibly offensive to me. The main problem with a some of the feminists that I've encountered is that they still think along the lines of the first wave. Back then, aggression of sorts was necessary. Nowadays, I think people need to focus more on gaining an understanding of both sexes and the benefits and disadvantages that affect them both. Before, you needed to y…
/r/MensRights14/02/11 01:25 AM
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